And That's Why We Drink - Listener Stories: Vol. 85

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

Hello, November - tell us we're pretty and feed us some cheese! We've got some fun and creepy stories from all you lovely listeners just in time for Scorpio season... we mean tryptophan season. We're tryptophan fans over here. So stay tuned for some sweet and creepy Dia de los Muertos stories in addition to a few dowsing rod/ghost hunting stories specifically for Christine. Don't forget to check your local library for ghost hunting equipment... and that's why we drink!

hello november happy scorpio season i don't know about that christine but um happy thanksgiving month where i get to eat turkey and fall asleep faster than normal oh tryptophan are you a tryptophan fan i am a fan of the tryptophan fan wait oh it's our m we're not supposed to release our thanksgiving musical yet oh speaking of thanksgiving musicals pass the crit oh i got too excited Ask the cranberry sauce. We're having mashed potatoes. Ooh, the turkey looks great. Thank you for loving me.

Thank you for being there. Everyone's thanking the whole world's thanking you for thanking us for thanking you kill the turkey jack can you line that up that's it's a little more awkward when we're there's a lag but uh i'm sure it'll sound just impeccable when it comes out into the airwaves impeccable like a turkey pecking away i don't impeccable that's the name of our uh our musical the last time the last time we did that we didn't have an editor so he was probably he's probably like what was that oh true he's probably like what the fuck was that are they are they people deleted it already like this

can't be something they want the public to hear okay well um happy kill the turkey month and uh hmm i you know Christine how how are you feeling about November so far as we record it in October well you know I'm always a little sad when Halloween is over um and I'm not I know that as the co-producer of the musical Impeccable the Musical I should think otherwise but I'm not a huge fan of Thanksgiving it's just it's always been a very loaded time, you know, literally and figuratively. And so I think we're going to, you know, it'll be fine. It'll be fine. We're going to Blaze's family this year, which is always fun and like takes me directly out of all the bullshit that used to, you know.

Love that. Drown me. And then it's Christmas time. Christmas time. No, no no it's not that musical not yet wrong musical m i knew you were gonna do that that's why i whispered you always steal my thunder with that one i can't wait to sing that in the month with you on the list i know how are you feeling with november looming november well yeah if there's such a thing, I mean, there is such a thing as seasonal affective depression. Seasonal affective disorder? Is that what it is?

Yes. I forget it. Yeah. Seasonal affective disorder. I only get it directly after Halloween. And I'm like, oh, well. What a weird coincidence. Well, all the joy I've had.

I've finally found my burnout. And it is on Novembermber 1st every day no it like it feels it's just there's such a it's just it's a build up for all this fun and then because october is always the fun month where like every weekend i got something going on i got you know allison's birthday and that's always a thing and so then i'm like i've exhausted myself so november 1st is like, oh, no. Like, this is now I've got nothing to look forward to until I get to eat in like 20 days. But I'm excited because this November 1st marks that I'm about to have my annual hangout with my aunt and my cousins.

And I'm about to eat a lot of really good food. So I have that to look forward to. Yeah. And a fun fact, everyone, Eva picked some very timely stories today, some day of the dead Dia de los Muertos stories for us. And so, um, you know, we're on theme, uh, we are still celebrating even though Halloween's over. Uh, and we only have some Christmas magic to look forward to. so you know what we're gonna this is me trying to give myself a pep talk by the way if anyone's wondering um okay yeah go ahead we're gonna be we're gonna be fine okay it's fine is it working my pep talk i feel like i'm just

shouting um no i think you did a great great opener there christine did a good job thanks we'll talk about it backstage nailed it okay so yeah we got the day after the day de los muertos so um because it's november 1st right isn't that that is dia de los muertos is that the actual day i always get it mixed up is it what okay well then that's perfectly on brand yeah good job eva in my mind i already confused them you are silly and we've got a handful of others i've been told um so it's a bit of a uh like a trick or treat candy bag you don't know what you're gonna get it's a tricks or is it treats we'll find out are you going first this time i think eva said for you to go first i'm

going first this is from alicia she her pronouns and it's called being scolded from beyond the grave great hello hola and howdy y'all've enjoyed, and that's why I drink so much since it was first suggested to me by a bookstore employee. Oh, wow. We're hitting bookstores now, Em. Good for us. Wee! Wee! Who noticed me checking out the true crime section, lol. I am always thankful that my path crossed with that one employee that day. That was probably Em or me just trying to like insert ourselves, but it's okay. If it weren't for them, I may never have gotten into listening to any podcast. So I have to preface that my story is a little weird and some people don't really believe me.

We do. But I promise you that I've been scolded and punished for being disobedient to my mother from beyond the grave. This is troubling because I feel like M and i are both uh bound to experience this one day it's ready to it's at any day any day i don't know how how backtalky do you have to be at your mom until like the fates have to interject until she's like all right that's it i'm like look you can call her a lot of names but not not that one. That one's crazy. Head back to Earth, okay? All right, here we go. I currently reside in East Texas, but grew up in El Paso along the border of Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. My mother and her side of the family is from Mexico, and my father's side is from the northeastern part of the U.S.

Due to growing up in the borderland, I am much more familiar with Mexican traditions and culture and was raised Catholic. So on most years on Dia de los Muertos, Day of the Dead, we would go to the cemetery in Mexico and fix up my great-grandmother's gravesite and fix slash paint her gravestone. It's a tradition I always enjoyed being able to participate in since we get to celebrate the lives of those who have passed. Due to these traditions, I've also always felt a close connection slash sensitivity to family members that have passed or even to the paranormal. I love that tradition so much.

It's like such a joyful, I don't know. I just love the whole concept of Dia de los Muertos. I think it's really special. I don't know why more people don't celebrate honoring the people that have passed i feel like i've been not that i've been like trying to like copy off them but i've been noticing that as i'm getting older i've had a lot of grandparents die recently and one of my favorite things is like on their birthday or on the day that they died it's like doing all their favorite stuff and like it's it's so lovely but i don't know why it's not more of a tradition over here. I know.

It's a different approach to death and dying, I think. Yeah. For the purpose of this story, we are going to focus on my great-grandmother. My great-grandmother passed away a few years before I was born. I never physically met her and really only heard positive stories about her. My family always said my great-grandmother was kind. She didn't cuss and wasn't one to raise her voice. Due to financial woes my mother's family had, there are very little pictures of my great-grandmother, so I only had seen her picture a few times. My mother always mentioned that she was really close to my great-grandmother and that

she did a lot for my mother while she was growing up. My mother always said that she knew she was pregnant with me and my older sister because my great-grandmother appeared before her my mother swears up and down she saw a physical apparition of my great-grandmother standing in front of her telling her she needed to be more careful because she was with child oh gosh terrifying two scary things all at once i feel like someone's gonna like knock a tuna salad sandwich out of her hand or something. The things you're not supposed to do when you're pregnant, like cold cuts or whatever. Sushi. Get that out of here. You're with child.

Disappear. Fast forward many years later, and I'm around 15 to 16 years old. My teenage years with my mother were hard. I was emotional and angsty. Deep inside, all I wanted was to let my emo child out. This is, oh, sorry. I was reading my journal by mistake. Just kidding. Was that your Zanga? I'm sorry. Oops. emotional and angsty deep inside all i wanted was to let my emo child out this is oh sorry i was reading my journal by mistake just kidding was that your zanga i'm sorry oopsie my live journal escaped deep inside all i wanted was to let my emo child out and my parents didn't let me the

most emo i was allowed to be was painting my nails black and listing the death cap for cutie fallout boy okay we're the same it sounds like you it sounds like you got pretty far though it sounds like you got where you needed to be yeah i guess i mean i was only allowed i wasn't even allowed to paint my fingernails black but i was allowed to wear converse that was about as far as i got um i like how converse was like labeled as like for the streets and like i know and i would just the scariest type of people at my private school with uniforms it really was it was like whoa what are you wearing you know it's like you're so off beat that's crazy you're so whimsical i was like no i'm depressed yeah and now i can't wear them anyway so they they win thanks to my flat feet. Oh, I was like, wait, why? Okay. I thought they

were canceled or something. I was like, oh no. The most emo I was allowed to be was painting my nails black and listening to Death Cab, Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Linkin Park, et cetera, away from my parents. I feel like Christine and I would have been fairly similar in high school. That's okay. Clearly I spoke too soon. Anyway, back to great grandma story. During my youth days, my mother and I fought all the time. But we had one particular explosive fight that set everything off. We were yelling in the kitchen and I was so heated that I felt like I had smoke coming out of my ears. I don't even remember what the fight was about.

Well, when I went to bed, I had a dream. Not just any dream. An older woman appeared in my dream. She had never appeared in my dreams before. In this dream, she was scolding me for the way I talked to my mom. She didn't raise her voice at me. She was calm, but she meant business. She talked to me in a stern voice and was pinching the back part of my upper arm.

I remember waking up in the middle of the night with arm pain, but figured it was because it was happening in the dream. I must have thought it was real. Well, I woke up the next day with bruises in that same area from my dream and I was a little scared. I eventually made up with my mother the following day and we were good but it's not over yet. The same woman came back in my dreams the following night and I didn't see her again after that. A few days after the second dream a few of us were looking over my parents wedding album. We were looking at a picture with my mom and dad in front of the church they got married at,

with the same old lady from my dreams standing between them. My blood ran cold. I turned to my mother and asked her to verify who the woman was. I don't know why, but in my dream I didn't recognize her, but as soon as I saw the picture, it's like I remembered she was my great-grandmother. As mentioned before, we don't have too many pictures of her, so I had to make sure I wasn't confusing her with someone else, as I hadn't seen her picture in a few years. My mother noticed that I was a little uneasy and asked me what was wrong. I told her about how after our big argument, my great grandmother came into my dreams to scold me and even showed her some of the bruises I still had on my arms. My mother was so shocked she wasn't even shocked over the fact that my great-grandmother visited me in my dreams. She was shocked that I was able to tell her how my grandmother physically scolded

me. Apparently, this was her preferred method of scolding my mom, aunt, and uncles. Oh my god. I never knew this. This was never told to me by anyone my mother never shared that piece of information with me or my siblings also that's like really specific to like pinch someone's upper arm yeah as a scolding method i don't know i would never forget it if someone did that to me yeah and i would never just like randomly come up with that i feel like subconsciously you know what i mean like definitely um it's really. As a believer is very good evidence. I think so. Explain that skeptics.

Explain that to me. After the shock passed, my mother laughed and couldn't believe that even after all this time, she had someone looking out for her from the other side. To this day, I'm still wary of any arguments I have with my mother. You're going to get pinched again. Yeah. any arguments i have with my mother you're gonna get gonna get pinched again yeah when you imagine can you imagine being like knowing that someone's looking out for you from your like bratty teen you know and it's like i would be as the bratty teen i'd be pissed i'd be like listen it's hard enough don't gang up on me okay in my in your next zanga post it's like the gods are

against me like the god isn't real but he hates me apparently yeah the underworld has spoken yeah nobody understands me whenever i argue with my mom i wonder if my great-grandmother will show up again to scold me she hasn't come back to scold me yet but i am well aware that she can and will since this incident i've had a few more family members in my life pass on that I have actual memories with. I sometimes wonder if these dreams are my self-conscious just wanting to have some more encounters with them or if they are true visitations. But I'm happy to at least know that I have my great grandmother looking after us. Alicia.

I like that you've turned it into a happy story because I would literally lose sleeping. So I'd find a way to make it all about myself and be so embarrassed that like even ghosts are like feeling the need to come down and do something about my attitude. Yeah, about your attitude. I would be so embarrassed because I'd be like, even people I can't see are judging me. And then I'd be pissed because like they can see all like it's not even like I can have an attitude by myself because like great grandma's probably watching then too you know like she knows then I would turn it into like oh my god it's like I'm on a reality show like people are just oh yeah they can't get over that can't get over me oh my god they just keep

walking she's like so obsessed with me you know anyway alicia thank you for your story all right the next one i have um it's high promises i think because the subject line is help me i drank an entire bottle of wine before typing this of course my brain went oh no i thought i was gonna say i drank an entire tide bleach pot or something i don't know why i thought we had to call poison control nope i think it's letting us know that this is gonna maybe be a bumpy ride got it okay um this is also a pre-pandemic email this is from 2019 um wow so this person's been waiting for a while they've probably given up entirely on the show that's okay um if you're listening bookstore where alicia went yeah

if you're listening know that patience is a virtue um this is from uh cindy and it says hello m christine eva and geo as i said in my subject line i indeed drank an entire bottle of wine before writing you so i will do my best to clean up the grammar thank you that's nice i have been listening to your podcast non-stop since august and have now just caught up i'm a newborn baby photographer at first i thought i said i'm a newborn baby. Oh, don't drink that wine. Now I am concerned. Girl, I'm a newborn baby photographer and listen to you while I'm editing. It's probably in poor taste, but who cares? Anyways, I live in Bolingbrook, Illinois. Bolingbrook, Illinois. And I used to live three minutes away from Drew Peterson. So I hope you cover him at some point.

I have not covered Drew Peterson yet, but as Em said, patience is a virtue. Okay. So just wait a minute. Wait a few more years. Yeah. I don't know what his story is, but. Oh, here it is. Well, it says he's a peach. So now I'm confused. I think that must be sarcastic. He once came into the local chicken joint i was working at after his wife's disappearance and my boss made me serve him by myself i'm here to tell you some ghost stories i have a lot and i would like to say i'm sensitive to the paranormal but it's possible i just really want to be oh like i would like to say i'm i'm sensitive to paranormal but maybe i just really want to be i was 18 and going to college in downtown chicago when i saw my grandfather

on the train sitting across from me it was 2010 and he died in 1997 i don't remember much about him because he lived in mexico and i was only six when he died but when i saw him i knew he was a short man kind of skinny slightly hunched shoulders with a red baseball hat torn denim he was carrying a lunch tote he looked like he was going to work and he was looking out the window and was rubbing his stubble which is something my grandfather used to do i stared at him for what felt like forever he turned to to me, smiled, and now for my grandfather when he smiled, he did with his whole face. His eyes would sparkle and he would practically light up. I knew it was him. He'd gotten on at one stop and gotten off at the next, and as soon as he was

off the train and the doors closed, he was gone. I didn't see him walk in any direction. He was just gone. I called my mom right away and she didn't believe me at first, but as soon as I began to describe him, his gestures and his smile, she knew it was him too. In November 2017, my grandmother from my mom's side died and she had been bedridden for some time and it was a long time coming, but still was heartbreaking for all of us. My mother and i were the only ones able to go to her burial in mexico and when we got there everyone was sleeping in the bedroom in the back or in the living room where her casket was but i for some reason found it more comforting

sleeping in her bed even though she died in it the day before oh that's i understand and also like what a odd space to be in m's your cousin who's like okay go for it uh i'll be out here watching tv i'm not gonna fight you for that space but also i i see the i see the emotional value to it yeah yeah you feel close to them what a heaviness yeah anyway after her burial my mom and I were getting ready to go back and we were going through her stuff. And my uncles had said if I wanted to take anything of hers to remember her by, I could. I decided on taking one of her oldest copies of the Bible because that's what she cherished most. Anyway, going through her stuff, my mom came across the last visa she ever got, which was when she visited us in the

U.S. last in 2007. My mom held the ID in her hand and recalled the day she took her mom to go get it. She asked me if I wanted it, and I said no. I figured my mom packed it for herself or something. Flash forward to this past October, my mom and I had made an altar to celebrate Dia de los Muertos, and we put up photos of both of my grandfathers and my grandmother. A couple of days later, I walk into the dining room, and I see in a little envelope my grandmother's visa card smack dab in the middle of the dining room table. I think to myself, oh, that's weird, and put it right back where I found it. The next morning, my mom is screaming and freaking out. Where did you find the card? How did that get here? Did you put that here? I said, no, I found it on the table and figured you put it there. And she swore she didn't. And I told her

the last time I saw that card was in Mexico the day after we buried her. And I figured my mom had packed it. My mom said, no, I didn't. And we burst into happy tears. We knew that she was letting us know that she was there. I didn't like I still need a visa in the afterlife to get. no, I didn't. And we burst into happy tears. We knew that she was letting us know that she was there. She's like, I still need a visa in the afterlife to get to your house. I still had to travel all the way here. And it was a lot harder than a plane. I feel like somebody needs to let your grandparents know that they can probably astral travel now. Like they don't need to take the train or the visa.

Can't she just like blink or something and be there? The other one didn't have to. Maybe I don't know how it works. Did the other one also need like a boarding pass or something to go pinch her arms you know like wild uh it didn't help that for the entire month the altar was up and our dogs wouldn't stop barking at it oh um and here sorry for the long email but here's the worst ghost story i have i like that you went through the rolodex in your mind and you're like, I'll give them all I've got. While the wine's still kicking.

Yeah. When I was 18, my dad was going on three years sober from alcohol and he found a lot of help from the Catholic Church at the time and was really deep into it and was doing a lot to help find solace. Well, one particular day I was in class and my brothers were out. My mom was in Mexico. My dad decided to do a quick blessing of the house. He grabbed the jug of holy water. I love that you have a jug. A jug?

And was going from room to room when he arrived to my door and was about to splash water. When he was about to splash water, a force held his arm back, keeping him from throwing the water he tried for several seconds until he let go and it scared him so much that he had to stop and pray and he did not end up blessing my room which okay that alone i feel like it goes against every exorcist story we've ever heard where they were able to throw holy water if they can just grab your hand before they're like nope wouldn't like holy water have never been spilled you know yeah if like

demons can just hold you down also that seems like the room that's the most in need of some holy water but right yeah it's like maybe find a squirt gun or something it doesn't recognize and get it in there um what about like an automatic sprinkler system then you don't have to worry about like your arm getting held you know interesting yeah you gotta shoot it through the window or something you gotta get crafty yeah exactly pretend you're drinking a cup of water and then go oh no or just drink it because like if you're like me at all you will spill it eventually you know i've always wondered if you are, why don't you just drink holy water? I don't know.

Because it has, like, oil in it, I think. It just sounds gross. I mean, it's not worse than being possessed, I guess. Worth it. Get it from the inside like a tapeworm or something, you know? Ew! I don't know. Okay.

So, he didn't end up blessing my room i was going through a lot at the time with school and was on the verge of a nervous breakdown um i don't blame you now that your room's also in there but it wasn't after me it was apparently after my dad that very same night in mexico my mom had a vicious nightmare and never told me the details but she said it was so evil and so scary it woke her right up at 3 30 in the morning she prayed right then told whatever it was to leave her alone leave her family alone and go away a few weeks later my dad relapsed it's 10 years later and he is now just going back to the program and trying to get back on track oof um if you've made it this far thank you for reading and i can't wait to see you two at the vic march 31st 2019 i'm glad you saw wait wait wait oh oh oh it happened in 2019 so it did

that one did happen that one did happen so. Okay, good, good, good. Glad you caught that. So excited for the show. Love you guys, Cindy. Oh, Cindy. None of us knew what was coming for us. Just comparatively total bliss. Wow.

Just ignorance is bliss, you know? Yeah know yeah whoa what a doozy man um it's just it makes me sad when these stories kind of end up like affecting real life when it comes to like addiction and things like that it's like life's hard enough without demons getting involved you know yeah not not um boy not something worth joining on it's adding on to my list of struggles i'm dealing with on a daily your to-do list yeah okay well thank you cindy let's see what we've got next this is from jennifer she her they and the subject is i tried the estes method while sitting in a haunted chair in new orleans okay i don't know if it'll explain it in there but for people who don't know what the estes method is would you like to uh let me just check and see if it has a little um little description because

it might uh hold on for those of you who don't know while christine's reading um we have done the estes method so that's why we are personally very interested in this topic we've done it when we were um at our most recent location that we are still not disclosing because we're still in the middle of tor lol we're still waiting for cindy to see us at the vic but um it's one of christine's favorite uh ghost hunting methods is okay i i can explain it to you i can explain um so the estes method uh i want to also give like credit where credit is due because i sure as hell didn't come up with it myself because christine is not the inventor um no hell no I'm not an inventor of

anything. So it was first developed by Carl Pfeiffer at the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, which is why it's called the Estes Method. And basically what you do is you put on noise isolating headphones and listen to a spirit box, the thing that kind of scans through radio frequencies and spirits are able to talk in real time. And the person with the noise isolating headphones on basically just says whatever they're hearing in their ears and they are unable to hear the rest of the group. So say Em and Eva are in the room with me and I volunteer to put on the headphones and

a blindfold. Em and Eva can ask questions and I, as the, uh, victim put the headphones on and just repeat whatever, uh, whatever I'm hearing. And when we've tried it in the past, it's pretty incredible. Um, because you can have a full on conversation, uh, because you kind of are depriving, you're like sensory deprivation. So you don't, you're not getting distracted by the questions people are asking you're not getting led in a certain direction subconsciously um so

it's a really cool cool method and we've tried it em's done it too uh and i don't think we ever got very well or it worked very well it worked too well i think um so that's what it is so i'm so excited that jennifer's like hey i thought about you when i did this so jennifer says hello parasocial friends love that i have a doozy but i'll try to keep it short-ish so i have a better chance at being chosen love the show love the after chats wow okay So you are fucking on it. I love this. That alone got you on the show, my friend. I know, right?

I love that. We love a compliment. I'll tell you that. And you threw quite a lot our way just now. If nothing else, tell us we're pretty. And feed us some cheese. Oh, sorry. That's just me.

Okay. That's just what you do. Love the show. Love the after chats. Love everything and everyone. Let's just me. Okay. That's just what you do. Love the show. Love the after chats. Love everything and everyone. Let's crack into it. Recently, I was in New Orleans with some family and decided slash booked with zero input from the rest of my party a paranormal investigation tour. Wow, that sounds familiar to probably both Em and me.

both em and me this caught my interest as the guides bring the group to two locations and walk you through using an sls camera dowsing rods emf readers light up cat toys we've used those too and spirit boxes which i was exceptionally excited about in fact i was so excited the guide asked if i knew about the estes method and my excited little dumb self was all heck yeah i do and he said you seem really open so let's try that in our first location which i never have let anyone do before uh-oh warning signs red flags the first spot was a storage closet slash shed with a super haunted chair that we all got to sit in. Parentheses. Why did we all just do this? No questions asked. As we all took our turns in the chair and with the equipment and not much at all going

on, my older sister, who is scarily tuned into the spirit world, said suddenly, they don't like the door being open. Absolutely not. In a monotone voice. The sister said this. Our guide said, OK, and beckoned us all inside the cramped shed and as soon as the door shut behind the last participant the emf meters lit up like christmas lights and a second figure appeared on the sls beside my nephew in the haunted chair

the sls by the way it's like a the stick figure camera that you sometimes see on ghost adventures. It's really creepy. Finally, it was my turn to sit in the chair. The guide handed me the blindfold and headphones and asked me if I was still up for it. Let's do this. I sat down, flipped on the spirit box, and blocked out the outside world. At first, nothing. Garbled backwards AM radio talk. Then, old boy, honor, honor, honor, ready to go.

As it turns out, one of the spirits in this location is a man who was wrongly convicted of a murder he didn't commit and hanged for the crime. has been working tirelessly to convince him to move on. So tirelessly, in fact, that he has gotten a judge to agree to visit the shed and commute the sentence in the coming weeks. Oh my God. Wow. And apparently I was answering the questions that our guide was directing to the spirit. Ooh, I got like scalp chills. I had that honor, honor, honor is very, a little too much. much yeah it's a little too far thanks if i were

sitting there i'd go oh time to take a walk outside take a go to bathroom break let's take a quick breather you know is there a 7-eleven around here then the back legs of the chair which were against the wall opposite where the group was standing lurched forward oh i don't know if this is anything from me dog it's a big no but also i wonder i mean i know that that's probably not how it happened but if you think about like hanging someone hanging and the chair getting pushed just a thought oh my god i'm assuming that's not how they hang prisoners, you know, back then. But it's just a thought. Oh, not the imagery, though. Oh, yeah.

Gross. I knew if I said anything, the session would end. So I kept quiet. I wanted to get the most I could out of this experience. I continued to listen to the static. This is in quotes. So this is the spirit talking. I'm done.

Enough. End it. Oh, my God. this is in quotes so this is the spirit talking i'm done enough end it oh my god and then a masculine roar in my right ear so loud i threw the headphones and the guide immediately grabbed me took my shaking self outside and sprayed me down with holy water you know what that guy came fucking prepared he was like i'm walking them into some treacherous waters but i'm gonna handle it by the end don't even worry he's gonna bring the judge over we're all gonna be okay he knows what he's doing that guy's onto something maybe we should do that on our next ghost hunt i kind of love it that he has a spray method for the holy water yeah i'm chill with that i'm chill with that oh my goodness the haunted chair

belonged to one spirit who was known to be particularly malicious and his patience with people in his seat would run out during the tour visits i guess being the last in the chair and talking to someone else was enough for him to make his presence known it was incredible and if not for and that's why we drink i wouldn't have known half of what was happening thank you m also huge shout out to the paranormal society of new orleans and it says not sure if you can read this part too late but they're doing incredible work and i feel like they deserve a shout out sounds like they do know what they're doing also my sister and i accidentally connected with our dead grandmother at the second location but that's a story for another time thanks for all you do jennifer that was a good one i'll tell you

i don't wish to be jennifer so um yeah i was like i like sitting right here in this chair and if i watched if i watched her or you or anyone throw their headphones off out of fear i'd be like i'd be like and let's i'm just gonna go get the car keys i'm like i don't need to be here if you're out i'm out like that's always been my line that's enough of a jump scare you know like okay i'm scared enough just watching you be scared so i'm out yeah i do like that that we all do have that you me and eva have that understanding though of like if you're out i'm out yeah i do like that that we all do have that you me and eva have that understanding though of like if you're out i'm out and that goes outside of um paranormal investigations it goes for like recording days it goes for like like if we like this has never happened but if

something were to go terribly wrong on tour and like the show's just not going as planned if it were to get really bad if you're out i'm out like i have we have a safety safe hold what's it called uh a safe we have a code we have safe holder what am i talking about i don't know i'm talking about our secret code i know but i'm just saying we have the structures in in case. The structure is if you're out, I'm out. Yeah, correct. That's the structure. And, you know, hopefully we don't have to use it again anytime soon. But you never know.

Jennifer, maybe make that agreement with your friends next time you go on one of those things. It's like the second I hear a goddamn growl, we haul ass and like, don't don't look back. You are giving me chills. and like don't don't look back you are giving me chills um okay the next one uh is from maddie who's a she her pronouns thank you for normalizing pronouns and the subject line is a ghost slapped my booty which we have that in common so poulter groped poulter groped so uh this says hi em and christine i'm currently listening to your episode where m covers the shakers cigar bar milwaukee we got a lot of uh people writing in about that that's right you did say that that one was super creepy um hit i got so excited as i took a tour there

recently shakers is a very popular spot for fans of ghosts and true crime my friend and i went uh first to take a jeffrey dommer tour oh wow and the road that shakers is on was a hot spot for dommer to pick up his victims yikes also shakers was a place for where dommer visited and they even have the stool he used display now that feels like they i i hope for the um for the sake of honesty that's true but i kind of call bullshit because i feel like you wouldn't know which bar stool he sat at like he got away with it for so long first of all he probably sat at a bunch of barstools second of all like i feel like by the time he was famous there was a huge gap between the last time he went there i mean i don't know the story maybe he was there the day he got arrested or something this is hilarious everybody take note eva write this down this is the first time m's been the skeptic of anything ever um i

just well so i i want it to be true i true i want it to be true and i hope i'm wrong but i feel like if i ran a bar that like now an infamous person had been at i would just grab a stool i would just like scratch the initials into the stool and be like look what i found you guys yeah isn't this jd on it i hope i'm wrong but i feel like they probably just wanted to make a quick buck. And I totally get why they would want to do that. Yeah, Em's just jealous that they didn't think of it first. I think I'm just jealous I didn't think of it first. So I hope that's true.

No, I did not sit on the barstool. Okay, that's a good thing to know. That's just in case. Yeah. Okay, on to the ghosts. I convinced my husband a couple months ago to go on a ghost tour there which i don't think he really believes in blaze but that man embraces my weird interests blaze so i'm happy anyways the first place that we went was the basement i feel like that's the

last place you should go yeah uh and man did i hate it there's a safe down there which they think may be from the capones that they have not been able to open i love that they still haven't opened it um but our tour guide said that she never wants them to get it open and the owner has a camera watching the safe and it will literally move first of all safes are fucking heavy why is it moving wasn't that the one where in the basement that guy saw somebody like saw himself run and he ran at himself from the perspective of a spirit yeah he like went into a trance and he astral projected and he could now see through the demon's eyes who was staring at him. As it like ran at him. Yeah, forget it. And he charged at himself through the eyes of the demon.

Ugh. In that basement. Yeah. Creepy place. So a heavy ass safe is also moving on its own. Yes. And it says here, the safe is heavy. Like you need multiple people to try and move that thing.

So that's terrifying. Yeah. So we were walking into another area of the basement and our tour guide used dowsing rods to try and talk to o'connor a male ghost that y'all talked about on the episode she asked to have the rods point in the direction of where he was and of course it's right next to me these are dowsing rods we're talking okay yeah point where point wherever you are, and then a pointer next to her. It spins to you. It's like spin the bottle, but the worst version

ever. I mean, yeah, it's not good. Funny enough, right before she asked the spirit to do this, it popped into my head that he was standing by me. So freaked out, we started walking up the stairs to get out and my husband and i were the last people walking up he was behind me but far enough away that he couldn't touch me as we were going up i felt a hand hit my butt i immediately looked at my husband and he had no idea what i was talking about pretty sure it was o'connor anyways the experience was a little creepy but also i had a good laugh guess i made that ghost's day oh i hate that it was standing next to you it wanted people to know who's next to you yeah he you have a bit of some

paranormal riz i think um i don't think you knew what you were doing there but ghostly riz uh i have a more terrifying story of a time i heard a woman cackling in an asylum but that's for another day oh come on thanks for reading and keep doing what you're doing maddie these guys know what they're doing with these stories for another day keeping me on my toes wow what a tale maddie uh i hope he just left it at the booty slap and moved moved on to someone else because uh yeah it it makes me not feel bad about the time my butt got grabbed because it was so much simpler than that um and it was not in one of the scariest topics we've ever covered so yeah uh yeah at least yours but yours was like in a bed right so like that's kind of scary because you can't really escape and it was right above the bed was sitting on top of

the decomposition stain you know you remember so i wonder i sometimes i wonder like was my butt being grabbed or was he just rolling over in his own sleep, you know? And I just kind of got swatted. You know what? That's a story for another day. Sorry. Okay. This one's from Tracy. She, her.

It's called A Tale of Dowsing Rods, Top Hats, and Flashing Balls. Okay. How razzle dazzle. Okay. Ooh la la. balls okay how razzle dazzle okay a lot uh so eva did say that some of these are dowsing rod stories which um i'm especially excited about because i love me some dowsing rods this says greetings one and all from down under did you get it i got it down under down under is this thing on? It's on.

And everyone else has turned us off. Cool. Okay, great. Just as I suspected. I had an experience on a ghost hunt last night. Oh, when was this sent? Oh, July of this year. Oh, nice.

I had an experience on a ghost hunt last night that I just have to share with you. As for me, it was 100% evidence that ghosts are real. Over the course of three and a half hours, my BFF and I went on an investigation tour in the Blue Mountains of New South Wales. While the night was giving us a few spooky moments with REM pod, Ovilus, EMF, and SLS camera evidence, it was when I picked up a pair of dowsing rods for the first time that shit got real. Isn't that how it always goes, Em a pair of dowsing rods for the first time that shit got real isn't that how it always goes m with these dowsing rods i mean i feel like yeah it looks so unassuming i think that's what it is everything else looks so like high-tech ghostbusters and sometimes you just got to work with the classics basic yeah yeah the tradition i feel like that's why I was always not expecting it to go as dark and crazy as it does with those dowsing rods.

Like I don't expect it to be as scary as it is. I feel like skeptics out there can easily argue this. But in my brain, I feel like also with all the high tech stuff, you can always, if you wanted to try to debunk something, you could try to say that the machine glitched or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or the lights, the batteries are dying or whatever.

But dowsing rods, they got no batteries. They got nothing going on. They just move. And it's, you know, there's no, I feel like a lot of,

this is where I think skeptics would be like, um, it's your own hands or whatever. But I feel like there's a lot less room. There's a lot less excuses for why like less margin for margin of error and i don't know there's something especially creepy about just like the simple movement of them i don't know it and they're a tale as old as time like yes everyone has been able to rely on them throughout and people have used them not just for you know

for a lot of other things so they work for a lot of people for a lot of reasons just saying okay uh through an app on one of the attendees phones we'd gotten some suspiciously accurate words and sentences over the course of the evening including the name larry we decided to have a conversation with Larry, and after setting the answers with the rods and testing some questions, all with accurate answers, we got to work. It was fascinating stuff. We deduced that there were 17 people in the room, though whether or not that included the six of us that were there and alive, I'm not sure. But with us having been told the name Larry, he was our focus. I playfully asked him if he liked me, and the answer was a resounding no. Bye, girl.

I'd be like, you know what, Larry? It's been real. Peace. Larry, the feeling is mutual, my man. I'd be like, we went from 17 people to 16, because I'm out of here. And I'm calling you Lawrence now, because I am not even going to give you the nickname. Okay? Weird, but we can't be liked by everyone, right?

I guess not. Shortly afterwards, I handed over the dowsing rods to someone else while I went off to participate in another experiment. When I returned, they were still talking to Larry, and slowly we pieced together his story. After a run of constant yes answers with the rods not moving, I had the bright idea to ask a question that Larry, who had just told us he'd gotten a girl pregnant, would surely say no to to make sure he was still with us. Well, let's just say that you should never question someone's gender, even if they're dead. I got the no I was after, sure, but it seems that Larry took my joke as an invitation to turn the tables. Uh-oh. We had a ball on the nearby table that would flash when it was

touched and boy did it start flashing when i got that no so just to clarify folks if if because i think i had to read between the lines a bit she had asked if uh the the ghost was a woman and that's when it said no in a resounding fashion and made him made larry very mad i apologized instead asking if he was the manliest man alive a resounding yes with more flashing i asked sounds like an alpha male yeah yeah he sounds like a badass i asked if he forgave me i have never seen the rods move so quickly to know oh shit we were all yeah yeah seriously like give it a rest guy we were all incredibly amused and i continue to apologize with the lights flashing almost every time i asked a question i groveled telling him i only asked if he was a girl so that we could get a no pleading for his forgiveness that's when the most batshit fucking insane thing happened

the girl's app on her phone it said my last name oh i hate when they know information you haven't offered oh i'm so creeped out dude oh that's i hate this i like to think that she has the craziest batshit last name too instead of like yeah i know right i i i like to think that she has the craziest bat shit last name too instead of like yeah i know right i'm trying to think of what it could possibly be i don't know but that is creepy dude now listen i'm very suspicious of most ghost hunting equipment especially apps we all know that our phones listen to us and had it said my first name i wouldn't be so bothered it had been said multiple times that night. Uh-oh. But my last name?

Only my best friend and the tour operator, who wasn't with our group at the time, would know that. Sure, it's a common name, but you cannot convince me that that shit was a coincidence. I was noping out hard and honestly was starting to panic a little, but that was nothing compared to when the ball started flashing and her phone added one more word kill oh i can't see you i was a sobbing mess by this point and it wasn't helped when lucifer followed a few seconds later oh another lovely lady in the group quickly stripped off her crystal protection necklace and handed it to me while the guide who was with us addressed larry directly and told him that enough was enough she knew that the ghost in this particular location could be very cheeky and it seems larry had decided to give me a good ribbing once the group got me settled down i addressed larry again asking if he was just messing with me yes i asked if i was forgiven now yes i was filled with relief for a minute there i'd been

sure i was about to be brutally murdered by a demon you know i do wonder like like if you're a 12 year old prankster and then now you're a ghost like you know you're gonna fuck with people on the other side with ghosting equipment so you almost can still never tell if no the information you're getting is accurate because you know saying lucifer is gonna freak everyone out you know yeah you could just say it and be like no it's just me i'm 12 yeah but i don't know i'm totally with you after this encounter larry and i started to get on well in our private investigation time my friend and i took the dowsing rods to have a more intimate conversation with him, asking him questions about his life, whether he liked having visitors, yes, whether he liked talking to us, yes, and whether he would miss us when we left, no. You know what? He's still

direct. I appreciate that. Fair point. Yeah. You know, if you don't want the answer, don't ask the question. After a while, we said our goodbyes and went off to investigate other areas, feeling pretty okay about our encounter now. But oh, this was not the end of Larry. After a fruitless investigation in another room, we walked through a small touristy room where there was a mirror and a hat rack with a sign inviting you to try on the hats. That's fun. As we were walking through the exit of the room, we heard a loud thud on the wooden floor. Walking through the exit of the room, we heard a loud thud on the wooden floor. Assuming my friend had dropped her phone or Ovilus, and with her assuming her phone had fallen from her pocket, we stopped and turned back.

But no. There, on the floor just behind her, about two meters away from the hat rack, was the gray top hat sitting the right way up on the floor. Oh, God. Oh, God. That's six feet, people, just in case you're wondering oh yep now i'm no runner but we left that area in record time when the guide coaxed us back in to investigate what had happened logic soon told us that this hat was not there because it fell we'd only heard one thud it hadn't fallen and bounced or rolled we would have heard more noises and it likely would not have been sitting right side up.

On a suspicion, I went back to the dowsing rods and after setting them up, and I have to say I'm a little unsettled that they knew the color of my underwear. I asked Larry if he'd thrown the hat at us. Yes. Is it time for us to leave, we asked. Yes. Yeah. By the way, Larry didn't have to tell you that. I was going to say, Em would have volunteered that information for free. Just saying.

Satisfied that we were now out staying our welcome, I apologized and said another goodbye, just in time for us to be called for a quick debriefing. Time was up and honestly not a moment too soon. So there you have it, the most convincing encounter I feel I might ever have in my entire life. I have no explanation for my name coming out of that phone, no explanation for the dowsing rods getting every test question right, and definitely no explanation for the hat.

But I plan on going back there later this year. So Larry's like, how many times do I have to tell you? Larry's like, read the room. Read the room. I'm literally throwing things at you. Read the room. So I guess we'll see if I have anything to share with you next time. Lots of love, Tracy.

Oh my gosh, Tracy. Be careful. Tracy's a rabble rouser. Because I'd be like, hey, remember that one time and that only one time, that one time that we went somewhere and we'll never go back because it was one time? And Tracy would be like, what are you talking about? We're in the car on the way there again. Remember that place where the ghost said, I will not miss you when you leave?

Right. Yeah. Well, I do like the, I mean, the hat landing on just one thud is super creepy and it landing right side up. But you also know, like, what is it? Isn't it Vans shoes? They never flip upside down. Huh? Isn't that a thing where, like, Vans shoes, no matter how you throw them, they always are right side up.

I wonder if a top hat does the same thing. I don't know if you caught this, but I'm a Converse girly, so I don't really know about the Vans. Converse, they are not like Vans. They are not the same. They'll land in any which way direction but i think vans i don't know if it's true or not but the the rumor is if you throw sounds like an urban legend if you throw them in any way they'll always end right side up they're always land really yeah i've never heard that but um that's a fun little fact

so maybe top hats are the same way this is what i'm getting okay apparently it's really real um that that this happens oh there's an article from 2021 people shocked after realizing vans shoes always land the right way up i'm included in that i'm sure yeah i feel like now a bunch of people are taking their vans off really quickly to throw them somewhere i'm about to go get mine and try it out i thought you said you were a converse girlie. Yeah, but also I lied because I have both because I have zero loyalty to anything. Rothy's? Well, that's its own. I'll throw those up in the air.

Walking you through fire today, Christine. I'm sorry. I love my Rothy's. You know that. Although they will land in any direction. Yeah, and they're machine washable and made of water bottles okay this next one um sounds like you wrote in because the subject line is dowsing rods and a lot of crying is it i didn't hear the crying and is this my birthday episode i feel like

these are all catered toward me maybe evo Eva was remembering me fondly when she picked these stories. If I find a goddamn cowboy in this, it's over for Eva. Someone said howdy, y'all, and I didn't forget it. So this is from Alex. Uses she, her pronouns. Thank you for normalizing pronouns. And Alex says, hi, Eva and friends. My name is Alex, and I want to submit a story after hearing the July 2023 listeners episode.

Oh, a recent one. Okay. submit a story after hearing the july 2023 listeners episode oh a recent one okay during the first story you were all discussing having feelings or pulls to something in the universe and i knew i had to write in my experience in october 2022 my a year from right now my husband and i went on our honeymoon to oh god now i'm gonna mess it up galena illinois i think it's galena galena i think it must be galena right which is in the upper part of illinois um almost honeymoon to the upper part of illinois you know what maybe you had a really cool memory over there i don't know uh almost to the state lines connecting illinois wisconsin and iowa

if that's the case i hope part of your um honeymoon was like being in all three states at the same time yeah those pictures by the way when i said that i wasn't making fun of the honeymoon being there i was saying instead of saying the name of the town we should just say my honeymoon was in the upper part of the state i know i just wanted to okay. I wanted to make you look like a silly goose. I was like, I didn't want to be like bitchy. Yeah, no, I was just making the joke about the pronunciation. Yeah. I always wish that Blaze and I had done like a not traditional honeymoon and had done something more like road trippy or I don't know, but I'm sure. If there is one place that I need to go in the United States, I don't know this location,

but if you know this location, you let me know. I want a picture where I can be in multiple states at one time. Okay. You don't know that location? There's multiple places like that. I know there's like four corners. I haven't done that. I was like, I'm pretty sure you put that in our book when we published it.

I'm not done with my listicle. I need a place that does that. I need a place with at least two giant Adirondack chairs. At least. OK. Photo at least. I need a place with a good sandwich. And I need a place that has cobblestone.

So good luck. That's a perfect combination. Is it? I don't know. It doesn't have to all be cobblestone but i would like one alleyway where i can take a picture you know yeah can i come with you on your yeah if anyone knows that place you let me know okay back to the story anyway um i'm just like i'm describing my perfect honeymoon so um you know maybe it's in galena i guess back to alex's honeymoon all the buildings in the center of this town are historical um with modern day shops restaurants

and local businesses within them oh i love a boutique strip that sounds cool add that to the list yeah that one's cobblestone boutiques yeah maybe we just go here to upper illinois it does sound so far it's got a few things on my list i'm waiting for the adirondack chairs to pop up yeah there are wineries and breweries throughout the whole territory and it's a hella civil war and industrial age history don't quote me but the reason that this city is so haunted is that it was settled on a large limestone quarry and limestone holds onto energy very well oh shit um yeah we have to go here i it sounds amazing i bet you we could drive there from my house let's do it let's we could do it look it up look it up okay galena galena oh illinois we should probably

learn how to say it um yeah before we go but there's time for that you know we can do that in the car on the way um oh man it's seven hours still seven hours we could road trip territory yeah trip we wake up early stop we stop at uh in chicago get get some uh wait halfway to chicago halfway is chicago oh my god look we wake up in the morning. Christina is what we're going to do. Oh, come on, this is perfect. Give me the itinerary. We wake up in the morning. And then we stop for lunch in Chicago. We just have a good time. We get a little, we get a little, we get a little,

oh, oh, oh, oh, you know what we do? We get a little, we get a little portillo, little shakes, little hot dogs. Little cake shake. Then we drive a little more. We end up in Galena. And now we're on cobblestone with the boutiques. Adirack chair we find one there's got to be one within seven hours imagine sitting in the adirondack chair and doing the estes method shut the fuck up that's it and then i

come behind it and push it forward i truly and then i would say turn the car around. We're done here. You're going to leave without me, probably. OK, so anyway, this place sounds amazing. I understand why you went on your honeymoon here. Me too. Being October, my new husband and I were fully in the Halloween spirit and listening to him. And that's why we drink on our car ride there. And in the nature of the podcast, we decided to go on a brewery ghost tour called the matthews haunted pub crawl this place has everything i mean what more could you want put

drinking and anything spiritual together and my husband and i will absolutely be there uh the entire town goes headfirst into the halloween season embracing their rich history along with the ghosts that come with it it is truly my type of place. Our tour guide Matthew, which I love that this was called Matthew's Haunted Pub Crawl. I thought that was going to be a ghost or something. That's the tour guide. He just named it after himself. This is Christine's ghost hunt. It's just me at a bar telling you ghost stories. I mean, oh my gosh, that's hilarious. Our tour guide Matthew was born and raised here and currently lives in a historical house here.

He had so much knowledge to relay during our time hopping from tavern to tavern. He was clad in a top hat and period coat, which added to the fun and lure of the evening. I love that Matthew was like, I have these things in my closet. Let's just make a tour of it. He's like, what else am I going to do with this top hat? The tour started at 10 p.m. So the antique lanterns and dim lights of the pubs were the only light source illuminating the cobblestone streets. No.

Christine. This is the place for us. We made it into the first location. We're going to bring our own Adirondack chairs. Who cares? Put them in the backseat. I'm sure they got a good sandwich somewhere over there. We're going to bring our own Adirondack chairs. Who cares? Put them in this backseat. I'm sure they got a good sandwich somewhere over there. Yeah, we'll find it.

Yeah, we'll make do. I love this place. Okay. By the way, you were right. It's Galena. I looked it up. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Good, good, good, good, good. We have to call Matthew. You know he's going to. Matthew, we're coming. Matthew is going to handle this tour for us. I already know. I'm so

excited! We made it into the first location, which was the basement of the DeSoto House Hotel on Main Street, and let me tell you, the place was hella old and hella creepy. It is still a functioning hotel and restaurant to this day and harbors a ginormous yet gruesome history, but that's a story for another day. After getting our drinks matthew starts telling stories and showing pictures of what goes on in the de soto house hotel on the daily he talked about people seeing shadows hearing noises and feeling cold spots in the very room that we were in he had photo proof from previous tours with him of apparitions and orbs that other tour goers had taken and shared which sent chills down my spine each time I saw them.

He also handed out EVP detectors for, I think that was EMF detectors, for everyone to hold during the tour as well. After a few historical facts and ghost stories, he decided it was time to pull out his dowsing rods. And like Christine, I love dowsing rods. I love Matthew. And I love Galena. Em's like, I forget everybody else.

Matthew asked if anyone had intentions or feelings to come up and try out the rods, and my hand shot up. I am absolutely not someone who likes the attention on me and would not have normally done something like this. It was almost hard to get married being in front of people without passing out from the embarrassment. It's scary. It's really embarrassing. I feel you. It's one of the reasons I won't get married.

Except you have to officiate my wedding and do all the talking. So I kind of made it worse for you. Sorry. I've already walked down an aisle and Christine was already there. So like, what more do I need? You had your soulmate Gio with you. You walked with him down the aisle. That's exactly right. I walked down the aisle with the most handsome man the world has ever seen.

I've already done it. And we did give lots of kisses. Very furry. A very furry man. You know I love them. Oh, I missed that little tummy of his. Oh, okay. Little little tummy of his. Okay.

Little bug. After a few historical facts, oh, dowsing rods, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I got to the front of the room and suddenly everyone's EMF detectors start going crazy. In the video my husband took, you can hear him whispering, what the fuck, over and over again. I had to focus my breathing and had the rods show me their yes and no like how to have to do yes and no uh-huh i then asked the spirit uh connected with me if they knew me and they swung to the right saying no matthew prompted me to ask if they knew anyone in the room and they crossed slightly in front of me signaling yes i immediately looked to my left and noticed a woman start becoming emotional oh um matthew tells me to say point to who you know in this room and the rod swiveled directly to her

and then almost stopping pinpoint on her oh my god emf detectors were going crazy as well and matthew then goes over to the woman and asks who are we connecting to the woman goes imagine here imagine that lady is a person who doesn't want attention on her and all of a sudden the things are pointing at her and everyone's like who are we talking to uh pressure regale me with all of your dead loved ones that could be coming near us yeah um god i yeah nightmare central is like the last thing i wanted was to be in the spotlight. Yeah, I just thought I'd grab a beer and like see what this was all about, but okay. I got dragged here by my husband.

I don't know. The wife goes on to explain that she and her partner visited her best friend's grave earlier that day. Her friend died exactly 12 years ago near Galena in a car accident. And when she went to the friend's grave site she asked for a sign saying she was okay it turns out that the person who died was named kelsey and she came through uh to let her best friend know that she was okay oh kelsey made the rods answer that she was indeed fine on the other side and was happy and the woman took that as a very sure sign and cried happy tears as did I.

It was such a heartwarming moment that I'll never forget. And after that interaction, Matthew prompted me to say goodbye to Kelsey Spirit and had me move on to someone else that was with me. My maternal grandmother came through and showed me her yes and no on the dowsing rods. And she had passed away when i was five years old and everyone always talks about how much she adored me as a child i always felt that she has been my spirit guide or guardian angel throughout my life and i prompted her to see if she was present on my wedding day and she answered yes i began crying and she also answered that she loved my husband

luke and she was very proud of me. Aww. Matthew then asked me to say goodbye. And when I did, the rods crossed and shot around to me very quickly. Matthew said that my grandmother in that moment gave me a hug. That's so sweet. Oh, so they crossed like arms over you. That's really sweet.

arms over you that's really sweet all in all galena was an amazing experience and my husband and i just went for our one year anniversary and had many more creepy experiences in that haunted town thank you for taking the time to read my story i promise we aren't all bad signed alex the november scorpio i don't know about that but okay that's wow what a tale when i heard crying or like it was a lot of crying or whatever in the subject i thought it was going to be something like really upsetting but it sounds like it was a happy happy moment when we've got a true crime paranormal show and then you hear crying from a listener you assume it is tragic exactly exactly you don't get your hopes up for any happy tears but yeah yeah wow this um this town looks unbelievable i honestly i'm afraid to look at it because then i'll obsess i know i think we're meant to go here but not to be like that guy

but like it is just like how we say if you're out i I'm out. If you're in, I'm in. You know, I know it goes both ways. We swing both ways, you know, just you. Here's a picture of it. It's beautiful. I'm sending you a little photo. I think by the end of the day, I will have an entire itinerary planned for us. I think by the end of the day, I'm going to check find my friends and you're going be in northern illinois and i'm gonna be like how what oh it's so cute and then there's a picture of it in the at christmas time and it looks oh it's so cute oh my gosh we gotta go oh

my god it looks like the inside of a snow globe it's so precious literally i think when uh it's literally talk about nature cozy there's a restaurant in this picture called The Log Cabin Fine Food. And cocktails. I love it. Let's go. Okay, fine. I'll move there. I will be on Zillow tonight.

Okay, fine. If you insist. Oh, I just threw my own headphones off. I got a little too excited. We're definitely going. Okay, end of story. Anyway, back to this. This is a bonus story definitely going. Okay. End of story. Anyway, back to this. This is a bonus story, folks. There's one more story that I get to read to you.

It's called Public Library Ghost Hunting Kit, and it was sent in by Kate. All right. Here we go. Hey, not really a story, but found out my public library has a rental ghost hunting kit in the maker's lab. Okay, so this isn't even a story. What is this, Galena? Okay.

This is like a fun fact for the end of the episode. Wow, a rental ghost hunting kit in the maker's lab. Oh my gosh, this is so fun. Okay, here's a list of what it includes. Quote, our brand new ghost hunting kit includes everything you need to search for a ghostly spirit. A spirit box used for communication with radio waves. EMF reader used for sensing changes in electromagnetic fields. Voice recorder used for recording sessions and picking up EVPs.

Infrared thermometer used to scan for changes in the temperature. Dowsing rods. So we should have basically read this email before I tried to explain all the other shit. Or like before we ever went to the Queen mary or anything or that yeah who knew we could rent this from the library i know it would have been so much cheaper oh my god dowsing rods and pendulum used for communication headlamps used for illumination and safety and then haunted rocha rochester christine i was gonna say haunted road atlas haunted rochester a supernatural history of the lower genesee by mason winfield so oh and then finally last item ghost hunting for dummies by zach bagans of course of course it's

a library they have to put some books in there you know this just goes to show everybody and then kate wrote happy taxpayer here cheers i was gonna say this is just a to show everybody. And then Kate wrote, happy taxpayer here. Cheers. I was going to say, this is just a reminder to everybody how we don't even know the benefits that come out of our public libraries. That's right. Pay your taxes, folks. This is a PSA that everyone should appreciate their library a whole lot more than we do. I hope some libertarians out there change their mind because of this.

Yes, yes, yes. And also, dare I say, let's all go to our public library and demand a ghost hunting kit be put on rent. And when we say demand, you know, don't yell at the employees there. When I say demand, I mean, write please a lot to the nicest one. Pretty please. Nicest librarian. Okay, I just Googled library ghost hunting kit. Wow.

Okay, there are multiple libraries that have these, folks. So I can't believe it. We're already halfway done. We did it. Good job, everyone. Wow. Okay, there's one in Southwick, Massachusetts that has one. So, yeah, I mean, listen, librarians, they know what's up.

I like that a librarian was just sitting around being like, you know what this place could fucking use. You know what you know what's up i like that a librarian was just sitting around being like you know what this place could fucking use you know what this place needs and you know what maybe it's because their library is haunted and maybe on her lunch break she checks it out and she goes ghosting she's like i did this because it's for the taxpayers but not really i like to think that she dewey decimaled it into like the occult section of the book you know oh my god genius oh well good one to end on for sure yeah that was a that was a doozy also just go check out your library it's it has fun stuff even if it doesn't you can still get ghost hunting for dummies at most libraries so you know um and the words of arthur having fun isn't hard when you've got a library card

that's right words to live by that's the truth and hey that just it also invites people like me who don't like reading into a library anyway because you know i want to go look at the ghost hunting kit all are welcome i'm sure there's some pictures and ghost hunting for dummies there are um i was like there are don't even ask how i know at the very least there's some pictures and ghost hunting for dummies. There are. Don't even ask how I know. At the very least, there's a picture of Zach Bagans on the front to kind of gawk at. So,

you know, that's your thing. Oh, well, I hope everyone has a happy November. And the next time we see you, it will be our last listener story of the year. Hard to believe. Get me out of here.

2023 is, we can be done. It's okay. We're done? Okay, got it. It's okay. I mean, I think 2024

could be the one. We'll see. Watch your mouth. You know how that turns out for us. Could be. I didn't say will be. I said could be.

Could also not be. So no matter what, I'm right. Okay. Okay. Hmm. How do will be. I said could be. Could also not be. So no matter what, I'm right. Okay. Okay. Um, hmm. How do we end this? Pass.

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