Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Dana White on FBI Gambling Ring, White House Fight, & Francis Ngannou Beef Explained

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

YERRR – this week the boys got deep in the fight game and political madness with Dana White. – Boxing is cooked and UFC is storming the White House – Trump love, Bill Maher dinners, and what Dana learned from Trump – McGregor’s chaos, & Jon Jones legacy – Paramount deals, PPV changes, and the death of monoculture – Superstar spotting, UFC predictions, and Vegas casino warfare 0:00 Intro 00:58 Boxing is in a bad place + Bud Crawford 3:13 UFC White House Card 6:41 Jim Jones saying no + McGregor up for anything 9:53 Why is Trump doing this? Defending Trump 17:08 Bill Maher dinner + Knowing Trump personally 21:51 Not agreeing + Learning from Trump 26:02 Death of monoculture + Excitement with Movies 32:59 Compelling events + What’s at stake? 42:34 Disrupting boxing + Dana needs stakes 48:04 Great fights are paramount + Jon Jones 52:32 Fighter Dana was afraid of? Francis Ngannou’s a bad guy 59:38 Killer instinct + Proper medical support 1:03:01 Monitoring gambling activity + Calling FBI 1:13:56 Happens every week, Paramount deal + Always the next 1:17:39 No PPV going to impact views? 1:19:59 Spotting a superstar? Ronda Rousey starting it for women 1:26:05 UFC card predictions + Kevin “Big Mouth” Holland 1:31:05 Most excited about right now + Dominating sport 1:37:34 War with Bellagio, Casino hustling + The energy 1:42:49 Is Vegas struggling? Netflix doc + Me vs Casino All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I mean, the fighters are literally going to walk from the Oval Office. Really? Yeah. No. I mean, wait. Why don't they pass a couple of executive orders? It's going to cost us a million bucks to replace the lawn. Wow.

There was only some people that weren't deported that could do that for cheaper. Donald, put ice on hold for like a few more months. Do you want to dwarf the Super Bowl? No. I want a dwarf fucking soccer. Give me 30 fucking million in credit. Let me bet a million dollars a hand. and let's go me versus you. If you fuck around with any of those fucking casinos,

you're crazy. You might go out back and light your money on fucking fire. So this guy basically lied and said... I saw you talking about the gambling. Yeah. The day of the fight, which was a couple weeks ago, the bet monitoring system hit us up. They said there's some irregular shit going on with this fight.

I literally went in the back and called the FBI. Holy shit. Trust me, I've had my moments with plenty of fighters. Did Dana, why have that little story for us? I guess the one I will tell you is... When you think about what? where boxing is right now, how fucked up the sport is. Start the pod.

Start the pot right here. It takes Saudi money to make these kind of fights. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Money that makes no sense financially as far as a business goes. Yeah. You cannot run a fucking business like that.

But you're going to change it. I'm going to try. You're going to try to change it. I'm going to try. Let's figure out how. Yeah. How do you do it? Yeah, what did they say about boxing fights?

You built it from the ground up. There was like every single fight is it going. out of business sale. That's exactly what it is. You know what I mean? Let's get as much money from all the guys on this couch as we can. And let's not make them feel like they got what they paid for at the end of the night. Were you surprised at the Crawford victory?

Every guy who knows about boxing told me Crawford would win. Yeah, same. Okay. So here's the thing. I was at Canello Mayweather in Vegas. Like I saw it live. And I wasn't surprised because I was just the biggest Mayweather fan. I was the greatest great that I've ever seen, right?

But I thought the narrative after that fight, and for the next, whatever, 10 years, whatever it was, is that Canella learned so much from that. And you saw it, like, he was fantastic. Like, somehow he carried power coming up and wait, like, it was all this. And it was as if he was right back in a ring with Mayweather. It was amazing what Crawford did.

Crawford is that good. He's that good. Yeah, he's not good. My boy who boxed, Matt McCoy, almost boxing the Olympics. Well, tried to. But he was like, Crawford is the best I've ever seen.

Just the stuff he does, the IQ, the power, it's insane. I thought that, I thought great dude, too. I actually really enjoyed working with him. Yeah, he seems like, a good guy.

Yeah, he's a good guy. Team, a bunch of good people. Yeah. It's so easy to work with people when they get paid. It's so interesting how much fun. Yeah, there's always some good mood to work at my son.

Yeah. Guys, We got Dana White back on the pod. Let's go on. Dana came in hot. I'm not going to lie. We got about 20 minutes of the craziest stories you've ever heard. None of them will end up on this podcast.

You've got to give us something. Fair enough. Fair enough. But we got to get something. You did promise this or you tell us the whole UFC White House card, so that's really good. Yeah, that was appreciate that. You did promise that we're going to get that. So right now we're dealing with all the logistics for this thing, which is.

Is it true that Trump is remodeling the White House just for you? Did you, that's all I need. No, you know, he told me. I need a UFC rate. When he was starting this project, he told me, he said, listen, this place has needed, needed a ballroom forever. And the place needed, you know, to be touched up. This is great. It hasn't been done it 100 years.

When you're looking at the AI image, it's a little crazy. It's a crazy. It's a badass. Fucking badass. I love it. We're literally building that thing. because what I didn't want was a lighting grid blocking out the White House. I want the whole White House to be the background of this fight.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. This fucking tape, this fight will live forever. I mean, you don't want to not see the fucking White House. I said, I don't give a shit what this structure costs. I want to see the White House. And then are you at all concerned about the card itself?

Like a lot of things need to lead up to this, right? Like certain fighters need to be healthy. Yeah. Matchups need to be exciting. Listen, I can't worry about that. That type of stuff, you know, we deal with that every day. See, I don't think all Americans, I think all non-Americans, knock out of the night, golden visa. Let's go.

Let's go. Give a golden visa to the winners. That's a good idea. The non-American winners. That's funny. Remove citizenship from the American losers. I love that. The rest of your life in Dagestan.

People are so critical of everything. Believe me when I tell you, you know, we're paying for everything. The government isn't paying for. anything, you know, even I had said earlier, it's going to cost us a million bucks to replace the lawn that we're going to tear up. Oh, wow. Yeah. There was only

some people that weren't deported that could do that for a minute. These prices are going crazy. Donald, put ice on hold for like a few more months. Wait until July or something. A million bucks for another lot. That's going to be a million bucks for a lot.

Okay, obviously you're getting crazy neat about it. So the South Lawn slopes like this. Right. So we have to build it up and make it all level, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, the logistics on this thing is insane. I mean, security must be crazy. Security is going to be crazy.

There'll be under 4,000 people there. And I don't even know how people are going to get selected yet. We have to work that out. Can I tell you a nice PR move, pack it with as much military as possible? Oh, well, that is the plan. The president wants to do it for the military. I actually love that because I'm like an immigrant kid and I was like, man, I don't know what the White House symbolizes like all the most dignified aspects of America and having sports there. I was like, I don't know, but you know it'll be fire if it was the people who served the country.

That's exactly what the president wants to do. That would be a cool, because then it's kind of hard to hate on it. You know what I mean? Listen, this will be the most watch fight of all time. I mean, people from all over the world are going to watch. Yeah. What are you going to do when I ask you for six tickets? What are you going to say?

Everybody's asking me for tickets. Are you already getting hit up? Oh, hell yeah. He's going to say serve your country. So what do I have to be able to get a ticket to the White House? John Jones is even willing to be there. He's willing to come out of retirement. Are you saying no to Jones?

What's the... I haven't said yes or no to anybody yet. But I can't put John Jones in a position where he can, you know. Right. you can't you can't let this get uh canceled i had a deal with him we had a deal to fight tom aspinall really oh we had a deal what happened and he said you know what i'm not going to do it hmm he didn't want to do it yeah i can't be in that position i got to have somebody you know people talk shit about mcgregor mcgregor mcgregor when you walk in the room and you're three

days out from the fight and you're like your opponent fell out there's a great video of this I'm going to the gym. You tell me who I'm fighting. Don't give a shit. Doesn't want the input. Doesn't get 30 people on the phone. What do you think about this? What do you think?

Right. Just let me know I'm fighting. You know, so you can say whatever you want about Connor. Connor's been that guy. You know, for us. How badly do you want Connor to be at that fight? Well, listen, the rest of this year has to play out. Big fight on Saturday night.

The rest of this year has to play out. And we'll start making these decisions in February. But I'm going to do... So no decisions yet. There's no like, okay, we need to have predated at this or something. I'm sure everybody's asking about this. I even feel like a little hacky asking you, but I need to know because I'm curious. You know what I mean?

There's got to be like an ideal situation. What does? From the White House. Like, what would be the dream? I'm going to put on, obviously, the card that people expect to be at the White House. That's what I'm going to put together. So it's going to be passed. Trump versus Biden.

It's always about the fans. What do the fans want to see and what would get everybody excited? But, yeah, I mean, the fighters are literally going to walk from the Oval Office. Really? Yeah. I mean, if you're a fighter, I mean, they're going to walk from the Oval Office. Why don't they pass a couple of executives? They will walk from the Oval Office.

So when I took my team out there to pitch the president, Okay. So I was telling my team, you know, there's just right off the Oval Office, the assistants, and then there's a big conference room. David, the Oval Office is a sacred place. Trump guys, I mean, Clinton got his dick suck there, dude. Was it the Oval? Was it the Oval?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Not in that office. That's a different one. So there's an office that, you know, when you first walk into the Oval Office, the assistant sit there, you get into the Oval, and then once you go down, there's another hallway there on the left-hand side, that's that off. And then there's, the presidents have another office back there. So I was telling my team, I said, and this is one of the million things I love about Trump, but I said, this is probably going to be in the conference room. But I'll make sure you guys

get to see the Oval Office. No, he did it in the Oval Office. The whole presentation was in the Oval Office. It was incredible. And like, my team was like geeking out for two weeks that they actually got to be in there. Had a meeting in the Oval Office. So he stoked about it. Now, is he doing this because he loves UFC or is he doing it because you're like one of his kids, almost? This guy is a huge fan of Dana. We're sitting there one day. He says,

if you go to the White House, right, nobody is more proud of the White House than President Trump. Right. He tours everybody. He does all these things. He loves it. You know, he said that they've needed... Why are you tearing it down? They've needed it.

Like I said, they've needed a ballroom for a hundred years. They've needed a ballroom there. They don't have enough space. And he goes, and some of the stuff that's going on right now needed to be done. But none of these other presidents know how to do it. He's like, this is what I do. Dude, this is one of those things where it's like, and obviously everything is a whole fucking political store. There will be somebody even clipping this whole thing.

But if there was one issue that you wouldn't think people would care about, it's the guy with a career in real estate doing renovations at the White House. If there's one thing that you would just go, yeah, maybe we look at something else. it was the guy who's been renovating buildings for the last 50 years anything he does they're gonna go after anyway did you see the the thing with the Osbournes

that they just came out with yeah yeah that was really sweet you guys see this so the Osbournes are doing like their podcast or whatever it is and they're like should we play the the message and it says the Osbournes out

President Trump or whatever they were saying like he did something you know terrible. And they play the voicemail, and it's him saying, I'm sorry to hear about Ozzy. He was a good guy. Obviously, very talented. You know, and says, you know, he called to

give his condolences. And and then Sharon Osborne says, this man has never treated me and your father with anything but respect. And she goes, and the crazier part is I'm not American. Never

voted. Never will vote. Don't want to vote, so the guy doesn't need anything from me. And I've been saying this about Trump for 10 years. Right. I mean, you know, anytime anything he would call and he is just, he is the best guy. Yeah. You know, he's a good guy. Do you find a difficult to even say that now because everything around him is so radioactive?

I've been saying it for 10 years. I know you have. It's always been that way. I know that's what your loyalty is and you strike me as a guy who like. to you. It's like if somebody was talking shit about him, yeah, they'd be right. Right?

They might be. But you know what I'm saying. If somebody was talking shit about somebody that you know very well and know who, exactly who they are, you would go out and you would tell the truth. 100%.

Right? And understand this. When I was doing this, everybody absolutely positively guaranteed me that he would not win. This guy's never going to be the president of the United States. It's never going to happen. Yeah. And you're going to put

yourself out there. I said, yeah, because you got nothing to lose. He's not going to win. I'm something had nothing to lose. I fucking love the guy. It's legit. I'm not lying. I'm not trying to be, get my buddy to become the fucking president of the United States. He asked me to speak. Everybody told me not to fucking do it. Yeah, fuck that shit. I'm sure they said the same

thing to Tyson. And like Tyson to this day has always defended him. You ask anybody that's known Trump for a long time, the tell you the same thing. Yeah. And it's the truth. And even brilliant move by Kid Rock. Kid Rock calls me and says, hey, I need a favor.

I, uh, I set this Bill Maher, Trump, uh, you know, dinner up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he says, uh, if this thing goes fucking south. Not good. Yeah. Yeah. He goes, will you come to this dinner, too? Oh, you were at the dinner? Yeah.

And I said, uh, that's crazy. And I said, I said, yeah, I'll come. I'll just fucking show up at the White House. So I call him and I said, hey, Kid Rock wants me to come to this dinner on Monday with Bill Maher. And he says, yeah, if you want to come, come. So we go to the dinner. It was incredible to be at this thing. So Bill Maher, so one of the things that the president bust my balls about all the time is I don't wear suits.

Right? So I don't wear suits. I go fucking showing up there. And he's literally bust my balls all the, even at Mar-a-Lago. When you go to fucking Mar-A-Lam, have any of you been to Mar-A-Lago? You go to Mar-Lago. It's like a Tuesday at dinner. People are wearing tuxedos and shit at this place, right?

And I fucking show up, you know, in jeans and tennis shoes and a T-Sk. He's like, Solisky, get out of it. So Bill Maher walks into the Oval Office, and it's me and the president, Bill Maher and Bill's Mar, guy. I don't know where Kid Rock was. he was doing something, but he walks in and Bill Maher's shitting himself. He's like, there's no way I wasn't wearing a suit

to this thing. And he goes, he looks at me and he goes, that's definitely from the Zelensky collection. And he's like, I need a drink. And any time you need to drink, the president will get you a Coke, you know? And he's like, no, I need something harder than a Coke. So he starts drinking and he brings in this

list of all the things the president has called him over the last 30 years. And I said, this is awesome. And I had them, I literally had them both sign it. And I have it. And I have it. And it hangs in the front. We come up the elevators of the UFC to the executive offices. It hangs on the wall. I heard Bill tell this story. I thought that he kept it. You have it. There were two. He brought two copies. He brought two copies. He brought two copies. Yeah. Yo, Rhode Island. My bad, I missed you guys last time. But we're coming back. We're coming back. Providence, Rhode Island, March 28th. This is the only show that I have on schedule right now.

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April? 18th. 18th. Radio City Music call. Let's do it. Hey, what's up, guys? Just really quick. I'm going on the road. I'm being Philadelphia for Wayne, Indiana. Um, that's that it? Damn, I thought that, okay, I'm going to Chicago. Hoboken and a bunch of other cities. I'll see you guys there. Thanks so much. Mark Yagenot Live.com. I commend Bill for going, by the way. A hundred percent. I think. Listen to this. So then, you know, he goes in, you know, we sit down for dinner and they're going back and forth, you know, on, on policies and what they agree with, what they don't agree with. We go through the whole dinner, and then after dinner, Trump gives Bill Maher a full tour

of the White House, like, incredible tour. Now, think about how long this guy's been supporting Democrats or whatever. Nobody's ever invited a mountain toward him the White House. Yeah, right, right. President Trump did. And again, to Bill's credit, he went on his air and said, well, I can tell you this. The guy I've hated for 30 years was not present at this dinner.

And, you know, he told the truth. But that is the case whenever you meet people in person, right? You get like a three-dimensional view of who that person is as a human being. And I think that's the tricky thing when that is the scary thing for people when they're individuals that are platformed. Like even Trump coming on the pod or even Bernie coming on whoever comes on our pod, it's scary when you see someone that you don't like look friendly. and nice. It's terrifying. And there's an actual...

Challenges all my thoughts. Exactly. I was supposed to hate this person and then it turns out they're like, they're kind of a good dad. I don't want to hate someone who's kind of a good dad.

You know what I mean? And I think that's that visceral reaction where you start going, like I need to hold on to my view of this person that I hate and I will fight tooth and they'll do it. Right.

People know him politically and people can agree or disagree because that's politics. A hundred percent. But then you know him personally. You're dead on. What do people misunderstand about him as a person?

That when you see him talking at like a political thing you go oh they're missing this everybody in this room everybody in this building everybody in this fucking city if i took you to dinner with trump and we we had dinner for an hour you would laugh your fucking ass off for 45 minutes so and then when we got up and left uh dinner you guys would walk outside and the holy shit you know that was awesome and i love this guy this guy's hilarious he did the uh did you see can you see if you can get that clip up of him This is a funny issue, where the guy who runs Syria came on, Tim came to the White House, he had him in the Oval Office.

Is it the, how many wives do you have for the Cologne? Okay, okay. So this guy used to be like on the- She did the one that came out today? Said, we're all my gays for Trumps. And the guy goes, woo-woo, and he goes, you, you don't look gay. Hold on, play this clip. Here.

It's the best fragrance. Come here, man. What we'll do is just take that, Joe, put it in, and then the other one is your wife. How many ones? They're one. With you guys, I never know. With you guys, I never know.

But it is a... It's so funny. But it is like, it's... It just neutralizes the room, right? Like, he's in it. There's going to be this, like, stick up. This guy was probably, I think, on like a terror watch list or something at one point, right? The guy was running Syria.

I think he was part of something like that. It was something like that. Now he's running the country. Allegedly. You're going to have to have a meeting with this person who's running a fucking country, right? And I'm spraying you down with fucking cologne the second you walk in. So far. But you look at his demeanor, like he's serious.

And Trump is spraying him with Cologne. He just starts to break. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of utility in that. Like, wouldn't you rather kind of, I would imagine, like, negotiate with someone that you feel like there's some level of rapport. Yeah. Look at everything he's got done in the last eight, nine months. Some people are very upset about that.

We've always said there's like, there's this thing with Trump where it's just like, even the people that don't like him will watch that and then the laugh, right? So there is this version where I don't think people want Trump gone I think they want him to be like You get to live in the White House And we'll move the White House to another building And then we're just, you get to still be there And you meet with all the dignitaries and everybody

And just have the best time He's like a king or a queen in England Like you bear, you represent and you're just We have fun this is entertaining You need to tell him he's not present anymore He's getting shit done No He's getting shit done man

Have you ever like seen something he did politically and disagreed and then talk to him in person, been like, yo, Donald. No, no. So obviously, it's like friends that you'll have or family members. You don't necessarily agree with everything they believe in or agree with or like

or whatever it is. But, you know, it's the same with any president, though. I mean, nobody ever agrees 100% with the president of the United States and all their policies and whatever it might be. But I'm an American, and they're the president. It's like the whole time

when Biden was president, People were like, he's not my president. I got some bad fucking news for you. He is your president. If you're an American, this is the president of the United States. And it's going to be what it's going to be for the next four years. And then we all go out and vote again. I remember that feeling going away around George W. Bush or Barack Obama, people will be like,

that's not my president. And I always, again, I'm like old school in that way. I was like, no, that's your, that, whether you voted for him or not, I don't like a lot of what Trump is doing politically. That is the president and meeting him. Charming, warm, brilliant, like, EQ, genius. level, unbelievable. I got nothing bad to say about him personally. So when I was at the inauguration, there were all these memes that were going around that I was mad dogging, because I was sitting right behind all the ex-presidents at the inauguration. And who are you mad-dog in? Obama. They said

I was mad-dog in Obama. You sizing them up. Obama was the only president turned around and said to me, hey, Dana, congratulations. all your success. No way. I said, thank you, Mr. President. I shook his hand, and he couldn't have been any nicer. Well, that's the thing. I mean, you could tell with Obama that you would immediately like him any time he'd get to meet him. 100%. Absolutely charming guy and, you know, speaks well, you know, the whole... A brilliant representation of America. I think that's what, like I was on Rogan recently. We had that conversation. It was one of those things where you felt like, Wow, this person is a brilliant representation of America,

and you felt very comfortable with how he was viewed. I think Trump is more polarizing. There are people that love him, and there are people that hate him. And don't get wrong, Obama was polarizing, too. But in terms of the rest of the world outside of racist places that were like, how? You know, I think that they're like, oh, wow, this guy is a great representation of the office. Yeah.

Trump does it in a completely different way. Yeah, Trump's a guy that can roll into any country. and get a deal done. And, you know, and the thing about Trump that, you know, I don't know how you can hate it is he is America first, man. Yeah. Well, I think you're starting to see that like both sides of the political aisle want America to be first.

It's a very cool thing that is happening in that regard. I think, unfortunately, it comes from a place of people are struggling, you know? And it's like, when you're struggling, you're like, I would like us to be the priority, not anybody else. When you're flush, it's like, hey, let's give everybody a little something. So true. But when you're struggling, yeah. Have you learned anything from him?

Like, have you ever seen him operate in a way where you're like, oh, wow, that's a very savvy business move? Yeah, one of the things that I like about him is, you know, everybody thinks it's the opposite, but it's completely not true. If you look at what they did to that guy leading up to this election and the last one, it's pretty crazy. And when he would talk about drain in the swamp in D.C., you know, he hasn't been, he has. hasn't been as uh you know like going after the people that went after him yeah the way that people said he wouldn't and whatever the first thing they did was started meeting with all these people and and again there are certain situations that i know about personally that um you know to be honest with you i don't know if i would have met with some of these guys that i'm like fuck them fucking meet with

these guys you know what i mean and he's he's not like that takes everybody's call meets with everybody and you know can you give us one name soon as the podcast over I'll tell you guys does it rhyme with billery I don't know anything about her or his relationship

with her but I'm assuming that's not good and never will be that that goes both ways yeah all right so there's there's this thing that's happening where like you keep on grabbing another thing to build up to be the biggest thing in the world right and are you afraid that if you don't have a thing to make the biggest thing in the world

that like you'll just die or something like what's it i'm genuinely curious so what happened to me was you know my whole gary brekka story i met gary brekett i know it got my health in order and once that happened yeah yeah once that happened pop-eye it changed everything i i i just feel like i'm fucking 30 again right and uh i want to take on more things and Yeah, I enjoy doing it. Okay, so I'm curious your take on this. Like, you've seen a lot of movies struggling, I imagine, recently? Literally been talking about this for two days.

Wow. Okay, good, good. Okay, let's get into this. Oh, no. This is one of my favorite topics, especially recently. He's been talking about this for three days, at least. It's not just, it's fascinating. It's not just movies.

I think we're no longer existing in what we grew up with, which was monoculture. A thing happened, and everyone was aware of it. There was much less outlets, and there's much less, overall conversation, now things have become so siloed, and now specifically, like, the difference between TikTok and Instagram, like Instagram is the people you follow and their content. TikTok, you don't even have to follow anybody. It's just what the algorithm sends you. It has really kind of diversified our knowledge set.

And movies, there's an issue, obviously, because, like, going to the theater is kind of antiquated. But it's not even that it's antiquated. It's like everybody doesn't know about the same thing. and I'm very curious your take on this because you put on events. How do you find a way in a place where we are divided into a thousand different silos to get everybody on board with a singular event? So think about this. So when we were kids, you had a handful of studios.

And all these scripts would come into these studios. And they would pick the best of the best. Those were the movies that they invested in and they made. So I saw this thing on social media not too long ago. It was showing like the movie, the summer lineup. Remember so you had the Christmas lineup, Thanksgiving, summer, you know. We watched Will Smith take over Fourth of July every single year. It was, you know, you had like a summer where, you know, top gun and like every movie was like, holy shit, those are all badass classic movies.

now there's so much fucking garbage being made because there's so many different ways to consume content whether it's the streaming services or social media or whatever it is I think that they're just pumping out a lot of garbage now and like I agree with

100% with what you said we're not all aligned like we used to be because if a blockbuster movie was coming out you would fucking hear about it everybody knew and it was a must see. You got to go see it at the theater. It would be packed to sell out. You couldn't get tickets. Exactly. And if you weren't there, you felt a little

bit of fomo, right? There was like this sensation of everybody's going to see this thing and I'm not there. You saw it, you saw it, you saw it, I didn't see it. You didn't see it's fucking great. Now I've got to go see it, right? There's absolutely none of that shit. I don't even know when new movies come out. But I will tell you

this, in the car, we were just driving over here and on my Instagram was the so I was telling this story, like a couple months ago, around the Crawford-Kinellafite. So I had just discovered this new artist, who

I think's going to be big. Her name is Billy Eilish. And there's this video of her. And I guess it's right when she came out. Everyone was busting my balls on social media because I didn't know the Reading Festival was in

England. But she comes out. She's a young kid that wrote this song probably in her fucking bedroom and comes out and i don't know if you've ever seen this video the redding festival of her and she sings that song bad guy it's fucking awesome i love when creative people um create something and the whole fucking world just you know there's this there's this thing about when it hits and and everybody's into it that's just really cool no matter well like i'm i you know i'd never heard of Billy I was before it's she's not I'm not in the demo I'm sure she doesn't want me in

her demo look at this wow and listen they're all singing it what was big about this was she wasn't like the main event she was like in the afternoon yeah and nobody was expecting the crowd that she got you know and and when you watch this clip it's it's really badass and I was like this is amazing and then on the way over here um I saw the trailer for the devil wears Prada too dude how fucking cool is that so there's no more of that shit you don't see things that are that

good and that creative now again we're not in the devil wears product too yeah yeah yeah but when you see something we all saw a first one reluctantly

this is not what I thought you were talking about today you need volume he's like yo billy devil wears product badass and Hathaway's still It's incredibly creative. Beautiful. Beautiful. This shit doesn't happen anymore.

People don't make creative things anymore that make you go, fuck, I got to see that movie. This will decide if movies are done in the theaters. This movie right here. Because the existing IP movies still work. The other thing is, when you went to see movies, part of the appeal, too, was the fucking trailers. You didn't want to miss the trailers in the beginning of the big movies that were coming out.

Alex, the trailers happen before the movie, so you show up 20 minutes late to every single movie. There's many movies before movies. I'm missing out on movies. But that, when you think about that, all that shit goes away. Yeah, because we're watching on Instagram. You're watching on YouTube. It affects the business.

The whole experience is watered down. But this is existing IP. I'm talking about, like, new movies. What gets people excited about it? You're exactly right about that. Is they don't make any new creative movies that you go, oh, shit, I got to go see that. Don't they do, Dana? It's two or three or, you know what I mean?

They just had a movie with Leo made by. directed by Paul Thomas Anderson. It was called One Battle After Another. And it was, by all accounts, an absolutely sensational movie. I think it probably gross like $100 million. Right now, it's probably on track to lose $100 or $200 million. But it is a fantastic movie with a superstar director, superstar lead actor. But it doesn't penetrate culture.

What's it called? I didn't even know. One battle after another. But this is Leo. I just heard about fucking Billy Island. We were a little bit low. Videos for 2019. So what I'm trying to understand.

is like, does this also affect fights? Like, Canello Crawford, we're talking about the biggest fight in the world. That's how big something needs to be for all of us to go, I'm locking and I'm watching it. The White House is another one where if you insert politics into this also, it's like politics is the last thing that kind of brings everybody together. And I think that's why a lot of people are talking about it all the time because that's the way you can get like the biggest mouthpiece so you can get to the most, you know, ears and eyeballs.

But like, when you think about that with promoting a fight, you guys are putting fights on almost every single week. How do you penetrate a thousand different silos? Do you do a thousand different podcasts, or is there a way to shine a light bright enough on every single one? Well, we're lucky is that we have a built-in fan base that knows what's going on every weekend. And, you know, it goes like this. I was in the Middle East, and I was doing Power Slap, and I was with Nina Drama, and we were doing a stream live. They said, why does next week's card suck so bad?

Who said that? One of the people in a stream. And I said, how, how could I? Oh, I saw this clip with the reaction. It's fucking suck when it didn't even happen now. Yeah. Watch it on Saturday. Yeah.

If it sucks, then fuck. And how many UFC cards fucking suck. You hear that all the time. So this is, you know what I mean? So, yeah. This is where with your business, which is really different than boxing, which I hope you change about boxing. I've been a lifelong boxing.

Like, my dad covered boxing back in the day. He used to go Ollie's camp in the Poconos, like Generation Boxing super fan. I would go to boxing fights and the thing would be absolutely empty until the last fight. Yeah. Like empty, you remember, like maybe the last two people start trickling in.

With the UFC, people are there for the fucking prelims, which is like not even a thing that exists in boxing. Yeah. I think it is because a UFC fight, even with people that you don't know, an MMA fight, is more entertaining than a superstar boxer

fighting some tomato can to pad their record. It's because of the matchmaking. So you have to build fights. There's a couple of things that you have to have in the equation to build something. First of all, you have to have talented people fighting

at the right time. And there always has to be, what's at stake? Yeah. What I'm always selling is what's at stake here. So many belts. Let me tell you what I don't give a shit about. The fucking Dodgers and Blue Jays.

I could give a flying fuck about any of that who wins or whatever happens. But guess what happened? They went 18 in and so Tani fucking gets on base nine times. All this shit happens. Me and all my fucking friends,

as soon as we got back from the Middle East, we watched Game 7. Locked in. Game 7 pulled, you know, we watched every fucking second of Game 7. You know why? Because there was so much at stake

and so many big things happened and so many stars and records that could be broken and all these other things. And guess what? People start giving a shit. So is that what you're, that's really interesting.

So with matchmaking, are those the conversations? A hundred percent. You're going, what are the stakes of this? Two undefeated guys. This is going to be the future division. And you're doing that with as many cards on, or many fights on the card as possible.

100%. That's really, Yeah, because if I'm not invested, why, it's the movie shit. It's like, if I miss this movie in the theater, in two weeks it will be streaming yeah what's at stake and that's the and that's the how do you do that and that's the huh how do you do that but I mean with all the promotions the different well he's he's carving it out I'm gonna

yeah no belts you'll fight for our belts he's UFC in boxing like you sign all the fighters round up and rebuild it wow you know um but everything in life and getting people invested is what's at stake yeah You know, and when you think about something like if it's not the fucking Red Sox or the Yankees or the, you know, especially in baseball. Baseball is, you know, is getting a lot older and, you know, the game fucking takes forever. Yeah. Especially in the regular season, there's 100 and something fucking games. And, you know, it's not built for this day and age yet.

They pulled a massive number on game seven. And I'm just being honest, I'm a guy who could give a fuck. Same. Yeah. About anything. But I watched every fucking second of game seven because there was so much at stake. All right, guys, let's take a break for a second.

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there were these 24-7 documentaries on HBO for boxing yeah remember those yeah of course and what i think they did is they created stakes for boxing casuals and people that weren't even boxing fans all the sudden they started to like fall in love with these people and realize what was on the line and f1 can i do this also dude f1 did it and you found like americans never gave a fuck about formula one and they put out this driver to survive and all the sudden you know chicks are finding the drivers queued and are they going to get married to this you know girlfriend that they're estranged with yeah inserting stakes i wonder if that's how do you just do away with all these promotional teams because that's like that's a lot of money they have fighters under their

contract and stuff like that like how are you going to just feel like well you know if you look at the whole world, there's lots of up-and-coming guys. So when you talk about them having these guys under contract, they got guys that are, you know, you got Tyson and, you know, Tyson Fury and all these other guys that are already big stars and everybody knows. I'm going for all the guys that are going to be stars in five years, you know. You build this thing from the ground up, get rid of all the sanctioning organizations. I'm not going to deal with the WBC and the IBF and the WBA.

Oh, wow. What type of pushback are you receiving from them? Fuck them. I don't give me shit. They don't matter to me. They can still run their business. They're still going to be Eddie Hearn and all these other guys out there that still do it and will play by their rules. Yeah.

But there's probably a lot of people that don't want this to happen. Yeah. And money behind this to stop it from happening. We'll see. We'll see how it plays out. But you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're right.

There's going to be a ton of forces. That's what I'm starting to realize. You need dangerous shit happening in your life constantly. Then they go against me, and that's part of the fun of it. What if everybody one day just started loving you, Dana? What would you do? Would you just retire? Well, I saw a clip of you talking recently about how you wanted to be a fighter,

and then you're like, ah, you know, I don't have it to be a fighter. I think you're wrong. I think you are a fighter in a different arena. Everybody is in some way. I mean, you guys all, we all fight different things every day in our normal life and in our professional life. Mark has to fight to keep cocks out of his ass. Well, what the...

No, that's not true. Hold on. I don't fight it. He's got talking about. You don't look gay. You don't look gay. He has a losing record of him. The professional fighter,

it's just such another level of... That normal people can't understand the way that these... But this pressure of, like, going up against the... institutions of boxing is a different level that a lot of you know even fighters probably wouldn't want to deal with you people are going to want to kill you yeah i don't know about that you don't you don't that much money that you're just being taken away from an industry yeah you don't think yeah but is that like you not worried about that do you know okay does that go through your head when like you're starting to not when you're starting to disrupt business when you're starting

to disrupt these institutions obviously not everybody just says it out loud You know, like, are there people that are trying to, they'll send bots at you, they'll try to make you look bad? They'll try to, are there these other ways that they can try to malign you? Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Yeah, that happens every day. I mean, the way that I look at my life and my job and everything, I say every day, I get out of bed and I strap the shit on and I go in and go to war. I mean, that's literally what we do every day, son. Strap the shit on.

That's it. But that's the idea. Every single day, you're like, I'm getting after this, and it's going to be a fight every single day. And then you take a vacation, and it's probably miserable because you don't have to fight every single day. My biggest trip is probably every year I go to Italy for like 10 days. And, yeah, by day six or seven,

I'm chomping at the bit to get back to work, yeah. What's the biggest challenge with taking the UFC model to boxing? Is it these specific people? Is it the quality of the fights? I don't think that there's a real challenge in it. I think that you're going to see over the next couple of months, there's a lot of people that are going to want to be with me. One of the things that I do is the money gets spread out to everybody.

And boxing, a lot of these guys that are trying to, you know, make it, make hundreds of dollars around to fight. And, you know, there's this narrative. there that you know our fighters don't get paid and right there's been plenty of competition uh for the ufc over the last 25 years um but everybody always ends up with us and why is that because they're scared you there's plenty yeah yeah i mean the pfl is out there right now these guys have been i mean i don't know how much money they're upside down i know the oh you're saying the other business one fighting championship is hundreds of millions

dollars that they've spent yeah and who's propping it up i don't know i don't know can't be fun though so an interesting thing about like about mama specifically i don't know if this is something that you guys kind of created but this is different than boxing and i'm curious if you change this for boxing is that losses aren't on your record does not deprive you of a career yeah exactly so when you know when i told you about ripping it down and rebuilding it you know when we were building the UFC, one of the things that I notice is that, you know, Arturo Gatti kept signing contracts with HBO

win, lose, or draw. And the reason is because people want to see great fights. And what I always talk about is I sell holy shit moments for a living. That's what I do. And when you guys stay home, first of all, I got to get you to stay home every fucking Saturday.

Right? And when you do, you know, you're putting off other things, whether it's going out that night, taking the wife out, doing stuff with the kids, So what I can't have happened every fucking Saturday is you go, he got me again. I should have fucking done something else that was terrible.

Yeah, we got to feel like we're robbing you. Right, right? The fight's got to be so amazing that we're like, holy, it's got to be the World Series. It's got to be game seven. And it doesn't have to be every fight. I need three or four of those. Yeah, exactly.

Three or four of those moments and watch some good fights a variety of different things. There were some knockouts and some missions, you know, some fights that went to distance. Yeah. And at the end of the night, You feel whether you came to the event live, you stayed home and watched it, or you went to a bar and watched it, you feel like you got what you came to see.

Is there a guy? He asked something that reminded me to something you said earlier. You said John Jones pulled out of the Aspenol fight. Is it because he's holding on, and I love John Jones, but is it because he's holding onto that zero loss in the lost column? Because you didn't say why. Listen, there's a lot of things about John Jones. You know, if you look at a lot of the things that he's done outside of the octagon, John Jones doesn't run from guys.

I don't think John is afraid of a single human being on this planet. And here's the thing. It's funny because people go after me for saying John's the goat. What has John done that makes my business life so much fucking easier? Wait, why would they go after you for saying? like is that a controversial statement to say he's the best you know who knows they're like oh dana's fucking glazing john jones and he's this and that he's the greatest of all fucking time yeah you know what i mean it's not like john jones has done so many great things for

my business and and then the prop john jones up again is you know john jones is the fucking greatest of all time and for those of you that you know also fun have to deal with it i said next them with the sphere fight him and his brothers rip one of them actually i think one of them his past. Yeah, yeah. His brother just passed away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I don't think he's afraid at all. Not even a little bit. But it is interesting that the White House events elicits that maybe it's stakes, maybe it's the excitement. Maybe, maybe for a guy like him where he is in his career, what gets him up, was it you the post of the Marvin Hagler thing? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love Hagler, by the way. Me too. So, but, uh, and also did it right.

like goes to Italy, becomes an actor, like gets the... Anyway, but yeah, maybe that's what he needs. Maybe he needs an event that big for him to go, okay, I'm going to dedicate myself the way I need to dedicate myself to get my body in shape, to get my mind in shape, to really prepare. Like, maybe he needs stakes to be that high. And Jones has, I mean, you've seen it so many times,

has that dark side to him. Like, when him and Cormier don't think they're on camera and they're talking, they can hear each other, getting ready to go on sports center or something. And Cormier goes, I ought to come over there and spit in your face. And Jones goes, you know I'd kill you, right? And D.C. goes, you would never kill me. He goes, Daniel, I'd kill you.

If you ever spit in my face, and you look at John Jones. And there's another John Jones one where he's like all happy and he's at like some sponsored event, a sponsor, and some guy comes up and starts talking shit to him. and John's got like this whole Jesus Christ this really happening here and he's laugh and whatever and then the guy says something about his brothers and you see the fucking switch man and John goes

don't hold him back stop holding him back let him fucking go and then the guy that's trying to act whatever he wasn't pushing as hard as he was you know what I mean it's a fucking great clip you got that one hey see if you can get that up Joe is there is there any

is there any fighter throughout your entire career that you've been afraid of like they i mean you know you know we get up there and we do the face-offs it's like some of these guys like fucking derrick lewis when derrick lewis you know he goes deep when they go to face off and then i try to put like some pressure on these guys so they don't touch each other and and when you get two of these heavyweights like derrick lewis and most of these other fucking heavy weights yeah you can just feel it's like what the it's just hard it's just Hopefully it's just the level of respect that they won't go fucking great.

I'll end up in like the ninth row. You're saying you're saying you could feel like the tension between them. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So you don't think that those moments are manufactured? Like, they really are trying to get after it in those. So you've been away from your family and not eating. You're fucking cutting weight.

You know, you got the pressure of the fight coming up. It's like at that moment when they face off at the fucking weigh-ins, it's like they're so ready to go and you just you know the the the our whole job is to because what fans love is that fucking face off who looks scared who looks fucking you know who looks in shape who looks good watch this everyone here now is your thicket like go let's go right now everybody where's your brother's now where are your fuck is now And that's what's your head. He backed up.

Don't hold him back. We need to hold him back immediately. All of a sudden, that guy started getting back up. Look how easy it was for that guy to just go, hey, let's get it moved. Very easily. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, John looks at it says, don't hold him back anymore.

Whoa. That's crazy. That's scary. Okay, so Derek, it was just pure, like, there's size here. And God forbid, he swung, he clips you, you're gone. But has there even been a fighter where you're like, I don't know. Like, I don't know if this guy likes me, and I don't know. I mean, I don't know if any of them liked me.

Trust me, I've had my moments with plenty of fighters. And, you know, yeah, I don't ever talk about all the behind-the-scenes. Did Dana-Wa got a little story for us? Behind-the-scenes shit goes on every fucking week. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. Is there anything you could bestow upon the boys? I guess, I guess the one I will tell you is, you know, some of them have been

public and most of them have not. But, you know, everybody has this thing about Francis Anganyo. Francis and Ganyu is a bad guy. He's not a good guy. He plays the whole, do, do, do, I don't understand the language and he tries to come off like

he's a fucking nice guy, you know what I mean? And people don't, the language barrier, probably. No, there's no fucking language barrier with this guy. He's a bad guy. And I told my guys, you know, I wanted to caught him early. And two of my matchmaker guys are like, oh, no, you don't understand.

I said, guys, let me tell you a story. When somebody shows you who they are, believe them. Believe them. And this guy has shown, so he's going in to fight Stipe Miochich in Boston, and he knows he's going to fucking kill Stepe, right? So after the press conference, we're walking down this hallway, and he comes over to me and he grabs me. And he says, let me tell you what's going to happen.

His English is fucking great, okay? No language barrier whatsoever. When this fight's over, you're going to book me a private plane to Paris. And I said, I laughed. And so, yeah, he goes, I'm not joking. You're going to book me a private plane, Paris. So, okay. So we go our own ways.

Steppe Miochitz beats the fucking shit out of them. beats the shit out of him. So that ended that whole conversation. And I should have fucking cut him that day. Then he comes up. So when this guy was... So this is the first time they... Yeah, this is our first sort of...

No, no, steep A. Sort of running. Yeah, the first, yeah. Yeah. So then, you know, when you're an athlete that's signed by the UFC, you know, you get full access to the... Apex. Performance Institute and, you know, you can eat there for free.

Everything's free and do all this stuff. This guy was fucking living there, right? And he had just fought, and he comes up to my office. And, you know, he's in the hallway or whatever hanging. And I said, come on. What's going on? And he was pissed off that he didn't get a $50,000 bonus in his last fight, that he didn't get the bonus of the night.

And I said, well, Francis, you didn't get. get it because this that and he's in my office and he's arguing with me and i'm like yeah this guy got this this guy got that and this is why so uh the conversation's over i'm starting to leave and he grabs me by my shirt fuck and like pushes me back in my office and i said dude get your fucking hands off me those were the words that came out of you when francis and god grabbed you by the shirt yeah wow and it you know it you know it it I'll have been like, I hated this shirt. It's too tight.

It's just... Snuggle me this shirt. But it's no... I could see in this guy's face and in his eyes and in a way he's acting, who this guy really fucking is, you know? And, you know,

then my guy Hunter was... They were talking about something. It might even have been the same thing. And when Hunter started to walk away, Francis grabbed him by the fucking back of his collar and fucking pulled him back. It said, we're not done talking yet. Wow.

Yeah. So there's a lot that went into your dissolved relationship. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this guy's not a good fucking guy. He's a bad guy. And if you look now, now he's over and he's done a deal with PFL and Saudi Arabia. And now he's asking to fight, you know, me and John Jones need to fight and fucking, you know, I'm sure they wish they never fucking signed him. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And I don't have to hear one word from any of those guys. over there to know because I know I've dealt with him I know who he really is and yeah yeah yeah that's unfortunate yeah it's always those are the tricky things when you like

you have an idea and I never talk about this type of shit publicly but I feel like after the conversation in the hall and all the other shit I had to give you a fucking you got to give you I guess it's that one I mean yeah I can imagine that that's got to be the tricky thing but these type of things happen you know yeah we're in

the killer business man these guys are fucking killers and and you know are there certain guys that you think they don't have the kill instinct in them but they're incredible athletes and amazing martial artists

100%. So like a Wonderboy for example like maybe he's maybe he's a dark dude on another side right like amazing competitor I don't think he is he's probably a bad example he's a talented

great amazingly talented and seems like a good dude and like I feel like if he's If he permanently injured someone in the ring, he would probably feel a little bad about it. Like, I think he sees it as competition. I mean, one of the things that, you know, I'm going into boxing, in the almost 30-year history of the UFC, there's never been a death or serious injury.

You know, we spend a shitload of money on health and safety to make sure that these guys are whatever. Now, in boxing, you know, three, four, five guys die a year. Dude, it's consistent. How are you going to stop that? spend the money on health and safety so we make sure that we know most of the damage that happens to these guys is training for the fight you know you know how much shit we catch in the ufc by making sure that these guys do all the right shit and it's not cheap what do you mean MRIs and you know uh oh so this is the advantage of having that fight facility well no it's it's it's fucking expensive

You spend shit loads of money to make sure that these guys go to the doctors and get all the proper shit done so that you know a healthy guy or girl is stepping into the octagon that night. But it's huge for the business. I mean, like... It's everything. It's obviously huge for the business, but it's huge for me. Personally. I don't know how I would react to that happening. I don't know if I could deal with that.

And I don't want to. I don't ever want to fucking know. Boxing is peculiar in that way. So we will spend the money. But it's also like the nature of UFC is like when you concuss somebody, they'll probably, they might get hit one more time if the ref doesn't jump in. But that fight is pretty much over. With boxing, they'd let you get back up.

Well, and it's not even that as much as it is leading up to a big fight, right? How many punches do you take in sparring, preparing for that fight? Jim Warriors. happens with the UFC guys is they're going to do some sparring, but they're doing grappling and they're fucking, you know, all the stuff. These guys go in hundreds of rounds a week for three months and do hundreds of rounds. And you see the unfortunate damage on guys, like the guys who get a little bit punchy. Yeah, it is a different.

It makes sense. It's like that's your league. You're investing in your players. So just like NBA, NFL. You got to keep them helping. But like you said, the sparring is throwing punches. So how do you limit the sparring? What would you do?

There's, no, you can't limit the sparring. What you do is you have to stay on top of the health and safety issues and make sure that we know true. But some guys do it less. Max was saying that he... Most of the people that die are the guys that go in and have a pre-existing thing from sparring and getting ready for the fight. There's a brainbleed already there.

And we do notice these things with UFC guys. I mean, we've had guys who have had aneurysms and all kinds of shit, you know, leading up to a fight. We catch it and we pull the fight. Okay. Dude, we've had people retire. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know?

So there's, there's, I saw you talking about that, the Bulgarian guy and the gambling. Yeah. And you've seen it happen with the NBA. We had like Shams on here and stuff like that. Do you know who he is? He's the guy who like drops all the, what's happening in the way, breaks all the information.

Like this guy's getting traded, yada, yeah, yeah. An interesting thing happens with the, with the Shams kind of interview and also this John Tate Porter guy. I don't know if you heard of him, but he was playing for the Raptors and he did like some stuff. So there's these things. things that exist now, these prop bets, right, especially in sports, like under four rebounds or something. If you're like a bench player, it's very easy to get three rebounds, pull yourself out

of the game, be like, oh, my back hurts, I don't want to sit. What is interesting about, like, the idea of like the fixing of these sporting events coming out is it, I don't think that people gambling knew that the gambling companies were aware of big money being put. Do you know what I'm talking about? So, like, for example, when they see big money being put on an obscure bet. That's flagged in a system. So a lot of people are talking about like gambling in sports is, oh my God, this is a big deal. There are going to be fights that are fixed or whatever it is, which I want to get your take on. But is there a version where like this is the reason why you want to make gambling legal, not illegal, because now you can flag this type of activity.

The more data that you can collect, you know, you have these bet monitoring systems out there and they see irregular stuff happening. You know, there's the goofy clickbait that's all over the internet. We're hearing that hundreds of fights are being, no, they're not. Right. There were two, okay? Two that were being checked out. What was the other one?

It was Delgaring. This was one of them, and I can't remember the other one, but it was connected to a whole team of guys. Yeah, and James Krauss was, you know, the coach of all these guys. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's being looked at in this whole thing. Could you break that down? because I don't get what actually... Yeah, so what happened was the day of the fight,

which was a couple weeks ago, the bet monitoring system hit us up at like 1 o'clock in the afternoon, and they said there's some irregular shit going on with this fight. You know, there's big bets on this kid to lose in the first round. This is not like a big name in the sport. Right, right? It was a fight night at the apex. Oh, wow.

And it was, you know, it wasn't a high-level fight. okay so but the odds were huge the guy that they were betting on to lose in the first round was like a four to one favorite or three to one favorite or something like that to win the fight got so only somebody that might know a little something would put that kind of bread on a bet like that so they called us and told us and our lawyer called the fighter and his lawyer they're already at the apex and you know warming up and said uh there's some regular betting going on on on you right losing the first round um are you hurt because the guy could be hurt and guys in his team know it but nobody else knows it uh do you owe anybody money does anybody asked you to throw the fight

you asked him this before the fight yeah oh wow before the fight holy shit and his lawyer right oh wow so then he's they said fuck no hell what this is weird no absolutely not i'm gonna kill this guy blah blah blah blah blah so we said okay so we let the fight go and then we're sitting there and the fucking fight goes to the ground the kid gets his back and i'm like he's got him in a fucking rear naked joke so i call my chief operating officer i said he's got his back oh he got out of it oh no he's back in it oh that fucking fights over finished and and my chief operating officer goes motherfucker. I literally went in the back and called the FBI. Wow. Holy shit. Okay, okay.

Went right in the back and called the FBI. Okay. The FBI fucking showed up, you know, uh, on Monday. We walked them through everything and now there's a full-blown investigation. I will be the one that will bury you. I will fucking bury you. Well, yeah, you need to. Yeah. Because it protects the brand. You need to protect the sport. To, to, to, to, to come into any league. and start fixing or throwing, you know, fucking fights or games or any of that shit. Yeah.

I can't imagine that's the first time. Like, you haven't had other instances? Yeah, so one other time that something was flagged. And that was the James Krause's camp thing that I was telling you about. And that's what sort of kickstarted this whole thing. Now, once the betting service, you know, calls us and lets us know there's some irregular activity, yeah we're all over it so that's so that's a thing so it's not like you know you see things online they're like the fbi is investigating them and a hundred fight all this shit you're like i called the

fbi i called the fucking it's like it's it's so fucking crazy also sometimes you don't even need to like with the NBA the FBI was notified first and they started notifying the teams and they set up something where like they saw the irregular betting pattern happened once and they didn't clip the guy and they waited for it to happen again and on the second time they arrested it and there was another player where it happened once and then he never did it again so they weren't able they were like sitting there waiting for almost like a sting operation for him to do the betting so betting is so betting is so this is okay and like you were saying when you started this whole thing when you have more of like if it's a guy with a leather jacket in a bar and you're doing a prop bet yeah you could fix things easier

when you have these things that are itemized and you know the exact volume of the bets and something gets irregular, it's going to be flagged. But I do think it's important for you to speak on that because people don't maybe understand why it is actually safer and how, like, I think the people that are trying to fix these things and the fighter trying to throw it, they're too stupid to realize that it's going to get flagged. The more people that realize this stuff gets flagged

won't bet on legitimate betting platforms because they'll be worried they'll get caught. So when we sat down and talked to the FBI, the FBI already fucking knows where they bet and what they do. You know how fucking stupid you have to be to do this and to be a fighter?

So how do you punish them, though? And to throw a fight? Is that like lifetime ban from any sanctuary body? There's a fucking meme out of me out there saying federal fucking prison. You're going to go to federal prison. Yeah, yeah. And that ain't like going to the fucking, you know,

the jail down here. Federal prison is... Fed is better than jail. That is kind of nice. Compared to jail for a while. I would have to disagree with that. That's what they say. Fed time is a little nicer than jail time.

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miss out. Let's get back to the show. I saw this clip the other day of Nick Diaz saying that he got into it with you, like at a club or something. Yeah, Nick Diaz was actually the one in the middle of it, cooling everything down. Yeah, yeah. We were drinking, and yeah, that was, but this shit, it's like, when, when he said that, and that clip went viral, and everybody's like, oh, shit, this shit happens

every fucking week. Really? Yes, this is like, not stupid shit in a bar like that, but we were out for the when the ultimate fighter would end, I would take everybody out. And, you know, he was with one of the teams, and that's how that went

down. But, but yeah, shit goes on every week and and this is the stuff that you have to assume we're in the fight business that the crazy shit goes on in this business but it's not something you just fucking run around talking about yeah yeah that's like you got to keep what is it family politics with the family 100% yeah how is the uh paramount deal changing the league so what i love about the paramount deal but yeah you got you know if you look at the paramount deal you know if you look at the investment they've made, what does that tell you?

Tells you they're going to fucking do everything they can to help make, you know, the brand and sport bigger. And these guys are so fired up to be in business with us, the whole team from CBS to Paramount. And it's really been a great experience already and we haven't even started working together yet. So I'm really looking forward to it.

I was just doing an interview with a student the other day from USC. and in the interview he said wow you know you're Dana white you did the UFC you don't have to prove yourself i said you're wrong i literally i'm coming out of a seven-year relationship going into a new seven-year relationship with a with with a different partner and yeah i got to prove myself all over again i'm going into boxing you got to prove yourself again you know everybody's shitting on power slap and it's not going to be i'm going to prove myself over here we just started a jujitsu league got to prove every day when you get up you can't be living on shit you did yesterday you got to you got to prove yourself every day do you feel so do you feel proud of yourself hmm you ever feel

proud of yourself um i don't know if i i would say i feel proud um i'm always looking at what's next uh what aren't we doing right now do you allow yourself to look at what you've done and be like god damn that's crazy from where i came to where i am Yeah, I guess so. Not really, but... Like, is there not a moment where you're looking at, like, an Instagram post of the Paramount deal? And you're just looking at the size of it. And you just go, wow.

Like, I went through a lot of shit and built something with a lot of great people. How about we bought our way on the TV for $10 million? Yeah. I mean, that story is awesome. Yeah. But, like, is there not a moment where you go? Yeah, they're all good stories and whatever, but, yeah. But, and yeah, we got 7.7 billion, but now we got to go deliver for the next seven years.

That's how I look at it. So now the monkey's on your back again. It's not like, yay, we got seven, you know, it's like, fucking now we got to deliver. Yeah. The president of the United States looked at me and said, why don't we do a fight at the White House? And I said, yes, now, now we have to deliver. Yeah. You know, it's never about, you know, oh, I'm so proud of myself for fucking, wow, look at what we, no.

I mean, personally, I want you to. be proud of yourself, but as a fan, don't. Personally, I want that for a new, but as a fan, continue to feel unfulfilled. Are you worried at all that now that there's no more pay-per-view, like maybe there's less excitement to have to tune in on a Saturday

because they know, like, oh, I can get it for free. No, I mean, if you look at, the fans are not stupid, right? Fans know what's up. It's like you're always going to have the fucking dildo from the guy. I said I don't take it in a joke about it being

He was a white man I was talking about the guy from the stream the other day That's talking shit about a fight Before it happens When the card ends, judge it And if it's bad I'll be the first one to say it's bad But as we get into this new deal And it's on Paramount every Saturday

The fans know when there's good fight Everybody's buzzing about this Saturday As they should be, this card is incredible. I actually think for consumption patterns, now, the fact that if you already have the streaming platform, you'll be able to consume it opposed to a pay-per-view model, I actually think that that would be huge for viewership. Way bigger. First of all, the ESPN Plus model, you had to pay for ESPN Plus, then you had to pay for

pay-per-views. It was like $1,200 a year to be a UFC fan. Yeah. It's $100 a year to be a UFC fan. Yeah, it's fantastic. But just in terms of, like, the fact that there's so many different things to consume, back to where we're talking about, like, movies were so bifurcated in what we're consuming, the fact that I know I can watch the UFC and stream it immediately,

there's no hangups, nothing in the way. It's almost like what I felt with watching football games on YouTube TV or watching basketball games. It's like, it was so easily accessible right on my phone no matter where I was. Yeah, I think this will be huge. huge is this going to affect fighter pay because like didn't sometimes they would get a piece of the pay-per-view or you did yes they did but we can work that out for 7.7 yeah now how are you going to yeah so you know when you start breaking down um how it used to work if you're a world champion you know you can do the math to figure out yeah there's a bare min for what a world champ gets

But now that can get up. Going back to something Andrew was bringing up earlier, I think one of the things that helps the sport grow and penetrate all cultures is like superstars. I don't know, Carl Shealdon, who's a great fighter, blah, blah, blah. Who do you think is a superstar that's coming? Like a Connor McGregor type, a John Jones type. Who's a young fighter that you're like,

that guy got it? Because apparently Connor, you knew right away. When we do the, yeah, well, Connor and Rhonda are like, and Chuck Ladell was that for me, too. the old owners of the UFC didn't like Chuck Liddell and didn't like his Mohawk and a bunch of other weird shit

but I always thought Chuck could be a big star and more importantly, I knew Chuck could fight and that's really the key. The key is when you find somebody, Connor was you know, the a unicorn maybe? Yeah, in a way because

I didn't know if he could fight but when I had dinner with him, his fucking personality was so off the charts. I'm like, everybody's going to love this fucking guy, you know? And if he can even fight a little bit, he can be big. The question is, like I told you guys earlier, what's at stake? Can he be a world champion? That's the, you know, if you want to find these kids male and female that you think have the potential to be world champions. Now, the first time I ever met Rhonda Rousey, she grabbed me at a way in and said, could you give me 10 minutes?

And I had known who she was because I'd seen her, you know, and I knew she could fight. So we went back into the back room and the green room at the arena, and we talked for probably 20 minutes. And I was, there was no fucking way I was doing women's fighting. Now, what you have to remember at this time is I was still trying to sell men. Yeah, yeah. get on TV and none of the fucking networks wanted it. Who wants to see this pretty girl up against the fence, getting her fucking face smashed in with elbows?

I'm like, you know, people hate seeing the guys that this happened to. So that was my mindset back then. Yeah. I was the guy that was flying around meeting with all, just think about it, I'm flying around meeting with all these 65-year-old editors of the paper, of the newspaper. Yeah. When that, that still existed when we started with this thing.

Yeah. And they're all ball and. stick guys. They know boxing. They're never going to get fucking UFC. And my attitude was this. These guys are all going to be fucking gone. You know what I mean? Within the next 10 years. And there'll be a whole group of younger guys that hopefully we can, you know. Burt Sugar, the guy with the cigar. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you think about what I was dealing with at that time and then to think about women. So I go in and I start talking to Rhonda for like 20 minutes, 10 minutes into the conversation. I'm like, holy fucking shit.

I might do this She's the one I think she's the one That if I'm gonna bring women into the UFC I can launch the whole thing with her I didn't know that that's what the role she played in Yeah, she opened the door for women What is it about it would never happen

Everything about her The confidence in herself the way she talked The things she said she was gonna do I've dealt with those type of personalities before And I fucking knew 10 minutes in As soon as I walked out of the meeting with her I called Lorenzo and I said, you know, I'm going to fucking believe this.

I think I'm going to do this women's thing, man. I'm going to do it. That's awesome. I think this woman Rhonda is the one to do it with. So then when I move forward with it, and I made her the headliner in Anaheim, and the co-main event was Dan Henderson and I think Machita. I don't remember.

And the fucking backlash that I got from that. That was like, holy shit. Yeah, I guess women do deal with some fucking shit. That I got from this thing. Wasn't until that moment. No, seriously. Women kind of got a rough on it. No, seriously.

The fucking shit that was being said online about the fact that these women were the headliner of this thing. Why did you make it? Was it not a championship out between Leoto and was that the point in time where it needed to be a championship? Yeah, I don't think it was, yeah. I don't think it was a championship fight. And the championship fight's always going to fucking headline. And if you're going to fucking go, go, right? So leading up to that thing, the backlash and all the people talking shit and all the stuff,

then that night were in Anaheim fucking sold out, right? And the minute she fucking walked out, I was like, you made the right decision. What? Fucking place erupted and went crazy. Oh, they were answering. And when she won, the place went crazy. And then Ronda Rousey was a fucking rocket ship after that, you know. But, yeah, it was pretty weird to, you know, I did not expect that type of backlash.

You thought that they were going to support you. I don't know if it was going to be supportive or if it was going to work or whatever. I think it'll happen and maybe there's some backlash, but then the level probably is like, oh, shit. I knew if I was going to do it, she was the one to do it with and launched the whole thing. And then behind her came Yawani on Jaycheck, who's a bad little motherfucker. You know what I mean? And you just started to see women's boxing was always more like a novelty. Like they had no fucking defense.

So then these girls are coming out. Their technique is unbelievable, knocking girls out. It's finishes. I think finishes are huge. And you weren't seeing that in female boxing, dude. The co-main event this Saturday. That's what I was about to say. Shendow versus Whaley.

And when you talk about a super fight, you're talking about two different girls and two different weight classes that are agreeing to it. And the number one versus number two pound for pound in the world. That's a fucking super fight. Which fight is fixed this weekend. And both of these women are nasty. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Well, see, can we get that whole card up? Because what do you think about Jack? I think the kid's unbelievable. He hasn't lost a fight in 10 years. Yeah. He's on an 18-fight win streak. Islam is on like a 15-fight win-street. He's about to tie the UFC record for, you know...

The consecutive victory. Yep. But Islam's coming up. And Jack, let's not forget, he just beat Bilal Muhammad, you know, who's a tough, durable dude. I was... And a problem for everybody he fought before Jack. I was impressed at Jack's ability to keep it standing. And if he can manage to do that with Islam

That is going to be Now Islam can strike too That's a thing that I think a lot of people Are considering with this There's this idea that like Oh he's Dagestani It's just the wrestling Like no no Islam's

Islam's got striking It's true Kibib and Islam are different fighters And the question is about Islam too Will he be even more of a beast Because he doesn't have to cut all that weight That's yeah Leon's back there Sean

I love Sean Brady man Yeah, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, Edwards fight is awesome, too. So Pradas is another one. You have these guys that come up, these, like, characters that are just so fucking endearing. Marab's another one of them, like, there's something about them where, I don't know, you, like, you know very little about these guys. You see them in, like, tiny little interviews. You see them on, like, a little thing on TikTok, but they are incredibly charismatic. And I don't know if that adds to stakes, but, like, once you actually feel like you're rooting for somebody, which is not like a decision.

you make. I think your kind of body naturally decides if you like somebody and want them to win. Yeah, you're kind of like invested in their entire career. Like Holland is another guy. I'll watch every time Holland fights. Yep. He's fun, isn't he? And you have him fighting like 40 times a year.

Stuff like that, it's unbelievable. So you know, it's incredible. So Kevin Holland's story, Kevin Holland fights on, in the very, very early days of the Contender series. And he's literally talking shit the whole time he's fighting. And it was driving me crazy, and I called him Big Mouth. It was great.

And I didn't take him, right? Oh, you didn't? No, I didn't sign him. I was like, I don't want this fucking guy. He's got a big mouth. He's out there acting like he's a fucking world champion while he's trying to get his way into the UFC. I'm not interested. The way the fate plays out, I mean, a fight falls out on one of the cards coming up like that week or the next week or whatever.

And it's in his weight class. And I said to the matchmakers, I said, call fucking Big Mouth. See if Big Mouth will take this fight. Wow. He agrees. He comes in on short notice, takes the fight, and the rest is history. Who do he fight? And you want to talk about a guy that's made a shitload of fucking money?

Yeah, yeah. And shitload of money. But he shows up. And people love him. He shows up, though. People love him. You call him, he'll show up. And you need guys you can rely on.

But wait, do you remember who he fought? I don't. I don't remember. Joey, can you bring up the list of the fight? His first fight in the UFC. I want to know the Kalshiads for the Jack Islam fight. You guys didn't have this shit last time I was here. No, we can look stuff up, right?

Oh, this is great. I love this. We're looking at some things. So what do we got? 7% Islam, I think. Yeah, Islam is a pretty heavy favorite on Kalsa. Oh, wow. Is that, would you say that that's how you feel about it?

You think Islam heavy favorite? No, I disagree. I think it's way closer. Yeah. Way closer. I agree. Why are people sleeping on Jack? We did the whole polymarket thing today too,

and it was the same. It was way off, in my opinion. But these fucking things are pretty good. I mean, these prediction market things are pretty fucking good. We've just seen guys with devastating ground game just dominate the strikers before. So I think people get swayed by that. But all you need is Jack to.

Who was Kevin Holland's first fight in the UFC? You need someone like Jack just. to connect once and the fight changes in a second. And can you keep it standing like he was saying? Can he stop Islam's takedown? Yeah. It's going to be a whole different fight if he can.

I saw something interesting that Islam when he's striking, he'll go back directly backwards. Oh. Which creates a problem for him if Jack is. Chicago Santos. Wow. Who's a bad motherfucker. That's right. He came in and fought Tiago. I remember when he

fought Jacari. Do you Remember that fight? Yes. Yeah. Knocked him out from the bottom. From the bottom. Yes. Yeah.

Mark does that all at times. Stop it. No. This is insane. It's impressive. That's impressive. We can't. Put him to sleep.

Come on. My child's been watching this right now. Okay. Sorry. We'll do that at all. You do so much stuff. What are you most excited about right now? I'm obviously very excited to head into the Paramount.

deal for a lot of different reasons. You know, first of all, how into the sport they are and how much they've invested in it. My long-term goal is to take this thing everywhere. I believe that this works everywhere. And like I always say, I'm sure I said it last time I was on the show, but if I didn't, I'll say it now, power slap will be bigger than the UFC. You think? You don't have to train for 10 years and be this elite athlete.

and all the stuff to do it. And guess what? People all over the world, when the fight goes to the ground, not everybody understands it, not everybody's going to like it. Everybody understands a fucking slap. And when I tell you, I sell holy shit moments for a living,

we could watch the whole card on Saturday and maybe we don't get one. And power slap, it's one, two, holy shit. Yeah, every slap is a holy shit moment. And when you look at, so everybody that talks shit about power slap in the early days, I mean, we have like 30 million followers in less than three years, you know? I mean, it's the perfect thing to follow on Instagram because every time you see it, I, listen, I'm not a Power Slap fan, but every time a Power Slap video comes up on my feed, I will watch it to completion.

And that's what I noticed about myself. Yeah. I'm the most jaded, jaded motherfucker ever when it comes to a fucking sport. But if a Samoan guy, right, slap in a hillbilling. I would watch the slap reels till the end to see who won, right? Yeah. And then when I first started this thing, you know, all these guys that are smart guys whom I respect saying, yeah, it's short, snackable content that people are going to watch,

but no, people are hitting follow and they're following it. Right. You know? Yeah. So, and now people are showing up to it. And it's starting to, and I've already been through this. I already know how this works. Right.

We continue to pull massive numbers. We're going to double what we did last year as far as views go. Maybe we're not invested in the characters yet. Maybe we're not invested. It's a much younger demographic, too, which I love, and that's what you need. It was the same thing with the UFC, too. Interesting. The UFC was a much younger demographic, right?

Then boxing. The fucking boxing guys. Boxing was legacy. The baseball guys and the football guys. And we had a much younger demo. And for that time period, that demographic was online. There used to be this site you'd go to and you could talk everything, MMA,

and fighters would go in there. It was called the underground. And everybody was in there talking about UFC. And realistically, back then, that was our only form of advertising. So when Twitter and social media started, I was fucking in. I mean, that was my, you know. Do you, it's so funny, like,

UFC, or MMA in its early stages, I remember it being this, like, rebellious martial art form. Like, just, you didn't even know if it was totally martial arts. Some of these guys looked like they were coming out of some, like, backyard brawl, just absolute tough guys. Some guys in fucking geese. It was just so abstract. It felt like on some street fighter shit in a lot of ways, right?

Now you guys are the dominant fight sport, right? I think that you've passed boxing. Right. Now, yes, there's going to be a boxing fight that, you know, clip some crazy number. But in terms of, like, regularity and interest. Completely inconsistent, the boxing shit. And when a big one comes, people like, oh, we should probably see this one. That's fair.

It's like, we'll see another one for three years. Top Gun Maverick. It comes out. Oh, my God, movies are back. It's like, not really. That's Top Gun. This is like a legacy. It's a great point.

Okay. But is it weird not being the rebellious one? Is it weird being the... Legacy. legacy sport now. You're this guy who's constantly fighting against something.

But I think we still are that, we still have that. You have the spirit, but you won. We're one of the big major brands, but we still have that, you know, we went through COVID, you know, I'm always first with shit that other old

tired sports leagues won't do. You know what I mean? Okay. We announced the polymarket deal today. Oh, right. Okay. You know, and how we're going to integrated into the television show and all that stuff, we still do things that the older stiff, you know, uh, leagues won't do.

Okay. So in terms of how you see yourself, you see yourself, you still see yourself as rebellious in terms of the behavior and the actions on behalf of the business, but you do recognize that like you guys are the thing. Is that weird for you to even say? No, no. What am I feeling right now for me? What is this? This hesitation. That's not how I look at things. I don't look at things like, oh, we're it, we're the thing, we're there, we made it. Yeah.

There's still a lot of work to do. Because then you stop, I mean, that's an interesting perspective. It's like, then you rest on your laurels. It's like, it's the Marvin Hagler thing, dude. It's like, if you want to fucking get busy, if you want to fight, you've got to put yourself in prison. Yeah. I mean, that's what he was saying, right? Yeah.

It's 100%. There's still a lot of work to be done. Yeah. When I tell you that I want to be the dominant sport, I'm not talking about. goofy other fucking leagues like PFL and all this other shit. You want to dominate sport.

Do you dominate the NFL? So the fact that there's the NFL, the fact that the Super Bowl is the biggest event of the year, you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I never looked at all the other combat sports guys as my competitors. I always looked at it

because even from the jump, fuck that shit. I'm trying to get in the paper. You know what I mean? So if I'm in L.A., I'm competing with the Dodgers, the Rams, the fucking, you know, Lakers, that's, that has always been my competition in my mind. Do you want to dwarf the Super Bowl?

I want to beat every, no, I want to dwarf fucking soccer. The World Cup. Oh, shit. Yeah. Those are, those are what I set my standards at are, uh, who's my competition. Not these other goofy fucking leagues and shit like that. I don't even think about those guys. Hmm.

Yeah. I mean, speaking of battles, last time you hear, you were talking about your war with Caesars. Yeah, you were up 16 million on them. Have they got you back at all? Yeah, I'm in a war right now with the Bellagio. Wait, have you gone off of Caesars? You were so devoted.

I'm a Cesar's guy. Love Cesar's. I'm saying, last time you were here, you were like, listen, I almost don't gamble anywhere else. They take care of me no matter what. I won't say the brand, but like, you even say, like, sometimes casinos do some sneaky shit where they say that they'll extend a certain amount of money. Yeah, that was some. fucking shithole up in

the river the waterfall. The Buffalo Niagara Falls exactly if you fuck around with any of those fucking casinos you're crazy you know what I mean you might as well go out back and light your money on fucking fire can you explain it's kind of a hustle it's like

they say that they'll extend a certain amount of money to you yeah so this guy basically lied and said you know I said you know let's say a million dollars I don't remember what the number was now it was so long ago, but I said, can I get a million dollar credit line? And the guy said, yeah, no problem. So then we show up there and he gives me like 200,000 in credit. And I said, no, I want a million. He goes, well, yeah, you got 200. If you lose, then we'll go another 200. We'll go, you know,

we'll get you to a million. I said, okay, right? Because I'm from Vegas. You don't fucking say that in Vegas and then not deliver. It's just, it's impossible that that would happen. Yeah. And this motherfucker did it and literally said, ah, that's all we can do. And, and, and, you know, you're in one of those situations where it's like, this fucking, this scummy piece of shit place and this fucking scumb bag just lied to me, you know? And there's nothing you can do. There's no recourse.

If you live anywhere near Niagara Falls and you're playing in any of those casinos. Be careful. You'd be better off taking the money that you're going to lose and fly to Vegas and play there. And so what's happening with the Belagio now? So, September 1st, I started playing And Baccarat over there with these guys.

You know, I fucking jump around here and there and I have not lost since September 1st. Wow. Can you say? Or the first week of September. Like, the first week. Can you say how much you beat them up for?

I ain't doing this shit. What if we bleep it? What if we believe it? Okay. Believe it. 100% bleep it. Wow. Since the first week of September.

How much was Ocean's 11? fucking George Clooney back at it. Wow. Wow. Yeah, since the first week of September. Now, hold on. At a certain point in time, do you go, all right, let me chill for the year. Well, I think I told you guys,

I look at every year as like a war. Yeah, there's different battles inside the war that year that you go through, you know. The war in 2025 is going to end, very well. And then I go into 26. Buddy, you're a fighter. It doesn't matter what you're doing, you're a fighter. Every

year's a war backgam and whatever. Back around. All right. So when you're up, I know, I know he's got to go. Okay. So when you're up, because you've got to get out of here. But when you're up crazy, what is the energy like when you're walking into the casino? Hey, Elliot. Bring my phone in here.

Oh, man. I like this. Yeah. I mean, when we go in, I got my whole crew that I roll with every night when we go in and when we get in there there's that height up then you know like a fight All right while you get that up when you're down

and you're walking around the casino what is the energy? You know it's it's again you can say it's like a fight it's the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows the problem is for people who gamble that you know get depressed and fucking

And, you know, you can't do that. You've got to be ready to, you know, you've got to get back in it. This was the night before we came here. Jesus Christ. Hold on. You know, that's nuts, dude. Okay, can bleep it again. What is that right there?

So this is, uh... Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. And that's in duffel bags? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes suitcases, you know, depending on how the makeup. You make them count it out so you can walk.

You don't leave the credit there, right? No credit. I want cash. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You like to humiliate them. I'm old, man. I like cash. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't wire me shit. Give me my cash. For real. And then when you're walking with the cash out of the casino, you have the bags, right? Like, people know you. You're like the mayor of Vegas, right? Yeah, where we go, though, we go. But is there a part of you that just wants to walk right through the main.

There's no money left in the casino. You know, guys, there's none a little bit? No, no. I mean, fuck, he's trying to leave a lot of me, man. I love that scene. Tell me, tell me if this is just, right before you live. Tell me if this is just pure clickbait, like TikToks and shit like that, or this is, or you felt it. I've seen these people on TikTok saying, like, Vegas is having a rough time.

Do you think that that's true? Are there too many casinos? Is that pure bullshit and just people trying to get clicks? So we were just in Vegas, you know, a few days. ago and we were at the bellagio packed fucking wall to wall so this is bullshit there's so much bullshit that comes I used to

love the Vegas what happens to Vegas stays in Vegas now it's like there's all this you know clickbait bullshit like there is everywhere else now Vegas has become like its own celebrity that gets attacked and you know what I mean it's pretty weird like as it has its own identity

that you have to be now is it possible there's so many casinos that some aren't as busy as others and they're trying to point it. I think what people point at is things that, which I agree with 100% that I hate about Vegas, and I love that fucking city.

Paying for parking. Dude, bullshit. I saw a video about this too. Absolute fucking bullshit. Bro, taxis used to be free in Vegas. Any of these fucking casinos that are charging for parking is disgusting. And listen, if you're a Vegas guy and you like to go to Vegas and stay at station

casinos, any of the Fertitas properties, they don't charge for parking. It's like, old school Vegas and resort fees. They're hitting people at resort fees, which is another fucking dirty. Yeah. You know. I think that was the sentiment that they felt like,

especially if you're maybe our age. They're getting nickel and dined. Yeah. Well, the beautiful thing about Vegas is somebody that didn't have a lot of money got to go and feel like someone special. Yeah, but they still do have places. But they do have places that you go where, you know,

you could play $5 tables and do all that shit. I made $45. I'll show you a photo later. No, but you know what you're not wrong because I was, that guy too. I used to play the fucking, I love that. And you can't take that away from Vegas or you're going to hurt the city. But there still are places. Like, if you go downtown, you can play at the D, you can play at Circa. And there's great places

downtown. You can still get great food at great prices. So, you know, you're not rolling into fucking Bellagio. The win of the biggest pussies in the fucking world. Man, really? I, listen, if you, when you're in Vegas, You don't gamble at the fucking win. Tell me, tell me. You eat there. Wait, wait, wait.

You eat there. So the win, because the win does every, they'll do everything they can to make sure you fucking lose when you play there. They're the fucking worst. How? To have the best restaurants in town, go fucking eat there, and then leave and go play at fucking Caesars or Bellagio or one of those places. How can they make you lose? If you play big money. What they'll do is the same shit that I was talking about over at the.

The shithole place. They won't let you bet enough. They won't give you big enough limits. You know, they play these little pussy games that you can play to make sure that, you know. And listen, everybody who plays, you know, there's a night you're going in and you get in a hole. If they stack the deck against you as far as how much you can bet per hand or what your credit limit is, you're going to lose. It's hard to get out of that hole. 100%.

But I know you want to take them down. I know after this Bellagio thing is done, I know that you got your eyes selling something. Oh, fuck that. I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even ask to play at the fucking win. No way. No way. The chicken shit that they've done over the last fucking 10 years is...

Fast forward five years. Dana White buys the win. Wait, they've done shit to you over the last five years? But all the money you brought into Vegas? I had a buddy of mine who was running the casino and he's like, no, we're not going to let you play the way you play here. Wow. Wow.

They wouldn't let you bet what you normally bet, and they wouldn't extend the credits what you normally do. So word is getting around. So my thing is, give me as much, give me $30,000 million in credit, let me bet a million dollars a hand, and let's go me versus you. I'm working on a whole deal with this thing right now.

Is this the Netflix thing that there's a... Well, no, the Netflix thing is different. I'm doing a documentary on Vegas, and yes, some of my shit's in there, but not like it's being. but yeah I'm doing that but I want to do another thing with Netflix too you versus the casino me versus the house you come in like a title fight you know what I mean the me versus they show all the odds on why they should

wear it I should win and we go one night a million a hand what's the odds in Baccarat what do you mean what are the odds house versus it's a hundred percent even well they have to have a little advantage it's as close to fucking even as you'll get on any game on Baccarat so you have a chance yeah Baccarat is a a fascinating game. Yeah. So I've learned a million-a-hand $30 million credit line.

Yes. And one night. Yeah. And we just live stream it. On Netflix. We do a Netflix show like a, like you would do, you know,

like we did the Canelo Crawford fight. Yeah. Wow. Wow. I'm in. Yeah. I'm down. Data White, everybody.

Data White. Thank you, brother. Thanks, thank you, man.