Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Dave Portnoy on Taylor Swift Travis Kelce Romance, Meeting Obama’s Gay Lover & Deion Sanders Secret

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Yerrrrr Dave Portnoy came to talk some Flagrancy with the boys and discuss him buying back Barstool, handling PizzaFest hit pieces, Bobbi Althoff fallout, and much much more. INDULGE 00:00 Intro 01:33 Dave is RICH 05:31 Taylor & Kelce don’t look normal… 12:15 Daniel Jones for Taylor???? 13:30 Taylor is MOTHER 17:02 Taylor deserves MORE + is this about Gronk? 18:56 Dave met Obama’s “boyfriend” + both sides are toxic 25:10 Washington Post Hit Piece about One Bite Pizza Festival 35:12 Maintaining integrity + “Off the Record” Bobbi Althoff Drake drama 45:27 Coming back to Barstool, buying a sports team, handling layoffs 56:01 Fallon Toxic Workplace Accusations 01:02:16 Russell Brand, publishing rebuttals & Louis ceded too much ground 01:05:58 Harvey Weinstein had some hits 01:07:04 How would Dave handle Logan v Dillon? 01:13:00 Dave's only joy is eating now 01:20:40 How Dave spots talent + Cam’ron & Ma$e might have joined Barstool 01:22:20 Deion Sanders is the BEST, star power + Bo Jackson was that guy 01:29:16 Pick what Akaash isn’t picking 01:30:54 The Patriots, Belichick’s legacy & Tom Brady 01:33:14 What motivates Dave Portnoy? 01:33:51 Dave used to HATE Kyrie but they’re gonna play 1 v 1 basketball now

Travis Kelsey, you don't get the appeal. Oh, he's stunned. Sort of doofus. I don't like Travis Kelsey's style at all. I think he's a little bit cringy. The man had his own dating show. If you have a dating show, that's a little cringy. Why does he have a dating show?

So there you go. He's a little cornball to me. Like his quote, like, Taylor, I saw you rock MetLife. Why don't you come see me rock Arrowhead? Like, lame. Who's your ideal match for Taylor? All right, let me give you a thought. Who would be, like, a good match for Taylor?

Could Dave handle that? Look, I have no interest sexually in Taylor Swift. And I call her mother. Like, what mother wants, mother gets. Like, they call her mother. Like, get educated. I was unaware. Oh, Gyllenhaal.

They've done that, though. Yo, you're not a Swiftie. No, I know they've done it. No, don't do this where you pretend you didn't know. I know themal. They've done that though. You're not a Swiftie. No, I know they've done it. No, don't do this where you pretend you didn't know. I know them all, trust me. I know them all. Give me those friendship bracelets, bro.

You're a dessert boy. What's up everybody? Welcome to Flagrant. Today, joining us once again, we have the man, the myth, the legend, Dave Portnoy in the building. The new owner of Barstool Sports. Let's go. Okay, I imagine you are the sole proprietor of the Pizza Fest as well.

No, I'm not. It's a partnership? Yeah, we partner with Medium Rare. So they're the best. I could never pull off what we did at the Pizza Fest by myself. I had no interest in doing it. Because to get those pizza places that we had, which are the best. Yeah. Like you need their ovens, the coordination.

I want to get into that. No chance I could have done that without them. Okay, I want to get to that. But first I need to, and we also got to talk about this hit piece. Yeah. But first I need to share

with the audience, you sent me the richest text message I've ever gotten in my entire life. Yeah, yeah. I'm excited about this. I know, I know. Have you heard this text? No, no, no. He texted, it was funny when he replied. This'm excited about this. I know, I know. I'm excited about this. I know, I know.

I was, Coach, have you heard this text? No, no, no. He texted, it was funny when he replied. This is the richest text. I have to give, okay, so it's Labor Day weekend, I'm out at the Hamptons. I'm like, Dave's got a place out here, and I think Montauk. Yeah, Montauk. Right, and I'm like, yeah, maybe he's out, we're gonna go to Surf Lodge and watch

Blondish, right? So I hit up, there we go, yo, you in the Hamptons this week? He goes, yup. I go, hey, there's a fantastic DJ at Surf Lodge on Saturday, Blondish. We'll be there if you want to join. He goes, you got a table? That's the first thing to come up. I'm not going to fucking stay.

I know you can't walk around regular. You can't walk around regular. But it was a funny thing. I go, yeah. He goes, okay, I haven't gone in a minute. I go, I'll hit you when you're rolling over. He goes, perf. I go, okay, next thing.

I go, we just got to surf lodge. Pull up. And this is the text. He goes, I got to watch a horse I own in a race. I did. I did. It was a fact. That's a jump from a table.

I'm not going to make it. Shout out Queen Picasso. She was running in a big race. She came in last, bad knee. but I had to watch the race. I knew I wasn't gonna be watching it there. In hindsight, I didn't even think it because I am like a big horse guy. But when you sent that back, I- I was crying. I'm on ecstasy.

I'm starting to feel it. They just sent me that text. I'm like, am I inventing this? There's nobody actually telling me I was a horse. But it came in last, I was told. Yeah, no, it didn't run well. I'm like, am I inventing this? There's nobody actually telling me it was a horse. But it came in last, I was told. Yeah, no, it didn't run well. And by the way, thank God I didn't go because you and I do surf lodge quite differently.

Okay, how do you do surf lodge? You were behind stage, dancing, grabbing the camera. I do surf lodge like how I'm doing this podcast. Like I sit down and maybe do this a little bit, and that's about it. But what if chemicals are involved? I don't know if he does that. I think that's part of the doing it differently. Do you mess with chemicals at all? Yeah, oh yeah.

Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk to us. So I can't go. If you see me, now I used to go out a lot. And if you saw me out, I was on ecstasy 100% of the time. Like if I'm going to a club, 100% of the time. Oh, you're on anything right now?

No, no, totally not. But I can't. And that's kind of part of the problem. I don't go out as much. And if I go out and I'm not doing drugs, I will be snoozing by 10 p.m. I can't be out. But it doesn't matter. It makes me feel good.

I'm not dancing. I'm not doing any of that. I just sit there. I enjoy the music. I'm in my own world. But I'm not doing what you were doing. I saw those clips. I'm like, thank fucking God I didn't go.

Wait, you didn't hear about his drum solo? His epic drum solo? No, you didn't see it. There? Bro, I'm on ecstasy. There's a drum kit next to the DJ. The DJ's a friend. Somebody goes, yo, you should play the drums. And I start playing and it's just like the cymbal. And you watch the entire audience. I didn't see that. The whole music, the whole

club stops. Blondie stops spinning and then Andrew's drum solo is dinky, dinky, dinky, dinky. Bro, the whole club stops. Blondie stops spinning. And then Andrew's drum solo is. Dinky, dinky, dink, dink. Bro, the whole audience is just like, what the fuck is going on? For 30 seconds, and the audience is staring like that. That's brutal. Never bought a light on that. That's like, I was at a.

Oh, I have. I was at a Club Bootsy Bellows, I think, in LA. Okay. And the music is playing, it's late. And they're like, do it. The people who own it are the manager. They do a live pizza review. Like, no, no, no.

I know that's not going to work right now. Like, people are fucked up having time. Who wants to hear a guy on a mic being like, 7.2? I was like, no fucking way. They stopped. And they're like, we're not continuing the music until Dave Portnoy comes up and does a fucking pizza review. Of their pizza. Yeah.

But it's not even a pizza. It's what you're saying. It's like people are partying. Nobody wants the music to stop. It's one of the low points of my life, like being in front of a crowd at like 3 a.m. being like, oh, 7.2 is terrible. Everybody's on Koga. There's a little flop here.

Did you really get into it? No, I did it quick. I wanted to get off stage. People are like, just let us go back to partying and we don't want this. What score did you give it? I don't even remember. I just remember me being mortified that I was ruining the party. Now, I'm seeing on your wrist, we have a mutual love of a special entertainer out there.

Mine is new. Mine is new. Oh, he's calling you a bandwagon. Listen, I admit it. I am 100% because I was kind of a hater until I saw the show. We talked about this. But here's the thing. Never in my life did I think that there would be a perfect synergy between Barstool and Taylor Swift fans until literally three days ago.

With the Kelsey stuff. I mean, you must be salivating at this. So we have a shout out to Kelly Keene. She's our Taylor Swift like savant. Yeah, it's crazy. They don't look normal to, I don't know what the hell's going on. No, I haven't fallen for it. I love gossip, Dave.

She's generally like a very private person. So is she? Yeah, with her dating. Every album. No, with her dating, while they're dating. Before she is. Yes, yeah, before she. Dude, the songs about CTE are going to be amazing.

It's crazy. Yes, it's crazy. Him throwing her to a truck. You see the car they're fucking, he's driving? No. It looks like it's out of, the whole thing looks, he's driving like, almost it looks like an old Impala, a convertible. Fire.

It's crazy. It just, they don't look, I'm fascinated by it. Yeah. And the internet is blowing, it's like, it's just they don't look. I'm fascinated by it. Yeah. And the Internet is blowing. It's like it's all anyone's. This is as close as Taylor Swift will get to dating a black dude. That's as close as it's going to happen. It's Travis Kelsey.

He's right there. He is. We kind of claim him. He got the haircut. And I don't know it's in a pop, but it's big. Like, it was a maroon like convertible. So yeah, I'm shocked by it. I am.

I play into it. I don't. I don't know. I've never been the biggest Kelsey guy. I've met him a few times. He's super nice in person. Now he's dating Taylor Swift. I don't know what to think.

It's crazy. Podcast with his brother is hilarious. Very amazing. Very amazing content. He seems like a nice, fun dude. Now, he could probably get any girl he wants. He's a handsome guy. He's fucking huge, successful. Do you get Taylor

Swift? I would have to say yes. But Taylor Swift isn't- Is part of it, are you seduced by the fame? I think that's what he is. Because Taylor Swift isn't- Oh boy, Dave. What? Don't say it. No, no, she's- Wait, say it. Say what you're gonna say. Hey, let's it. No, no, she's- Wait, say it, say it. I am gonna say it. Let's switch.

No, no, let me just take those French abrasions off you. Look, this is Swifty community. Fuck Adele, Dave loves Sally's, these are great. But I don't think anybody would put her up as a sex symbol. Okay, one bite,

everyone knows who this is. Ted, Ted. But she's not, you know, she's not a Victoria's Secret model. She's like an equestrian model. Yo. A little bit. She has this beautiful face. This beautiful equestrian look. But she's very tall.

Put on one of them little helmets, yeah. But so is he. Yeah, which makes it work. Yeah, dude, I think he has- But are you saying that he could do better? Is that what you're saying? No, no, which makes it work. Yeah, dude. I think he has— But are you saying that he could do better? Is that what you're saying? No, no, no. It depends.

She's—you can't do bigger or better. I mean, Belichick today, he quoted, he says, Travis Kelsey's had a lot of great catches. This is the best catch he's ever made in his career. Belichick is talking about Taylor. That's the world. It's so funny, dude. That's the world.

He's Michael Jackson, dude. And he has a line. That's what's impressive. Belichick had a banger for it. Yeah, he's good. He's Michael Jackson. And he has a line. That's what's impressive.

Belichick had a banger for it. Yeah, he's good. She's the biggest person almost on the planet right now. Yeah, not even close. But is she like, are we, who is, no, I'm trying to think like Chrissy Brinkley in her prime. No, I don't think anyone would say that. Yeah, but no. She has Kelly Berry in her prime. We're having boomer moments today. anyone would say that. Yeah, but no. She has Kelly Berry in her mind. Kelly Berry in her mind.

Dude, we're having boomer moments today. Today, I had a tag on my shirt, and Dave, and I didn't realize it. And Dave just goes, hey, is that a thing now? Are you leaving the tags on? I honestly didn't know. You're capable of anything.

I've seen you in the Italy looks. I'm like, I don't know, maybe that's what they're doing. They're wearing fucking tags on their shirts nowadays in their armpits, I don't know. Wait, but hold they're doing. They're wearing fucking tags on their shirts nowadays in their armpits. I don't know. Wait, but hold on. Travis Kelsey, you don't get the appeal.

I mean, in terms of superficial things. For Travis or for Taylor? For women in general. Yeah, he's a good looking guy. He's got everything. Great looking guy. Athletic. Tall.

Rich. Famous. Sort of doofus. No. Yes. He's kind of swaggy. He's super cool to me. Super, super cool to me.

I'm going to be honest. That's the gayest thing I've said on this podcast. He's super cool to me. I don't think honest that's the biggest thing i said on this podcast i i i i don't think so i think you need to see color more i i think he's kind of a white guy i think it doesn't get that much cooler no no like there's different he's not odell beckham jr no but if i'm going like what i think is cool and i'm gonna date myself here a little bit like Clooney, Brad Pitt, those guys are like cool. I don't like Travis Kelsey's style at all. I think he's a little bit cringy.

The man had his own dating show like that. If you have a dating show, that's a little cringy. What's it called? Everyone wants to suck my dick. I was going to tell you. Like Leonardo DiCaprio. I wrote for you. Yeah, so there you go. Point proven. Like, you know.

He's the coolest. Like Leonardo DiCaprio is not doing like a dating show. I don't know. He's a little corny to me. He's a little cornball to me. But Taylor may be a little bit too. You think that he's corny meaning he's a little corny to me. He's a little cornball to me, but Taylor maybe a little bit too. You think that he's corny meaning like his interests are corny or the fact that he wants to be famous outside of being an athlete?

Well, I think he's addicted to the fame a little bit, but his quote like, hey, supposedly this is what he said on the McAfee show. Like, hey, Taylor, I saw you rock like MetLife. Why don't you come see me rock Arrowhead? Like, lame. Oh, his pickup line. Yeah. Like, that's fucking lame. Yeah.

I bet if you go back through your pickup lines, though, you would be like, oh, God. Tell me at what point in this interview where I'm like, I'm Rico Suave. You're comparing fucking Travis Kelsey to me. I'm saying that's a universal thing. Travis Kelsey is a great looking dude. I get it. He's a professional athlete. That has great appeal.

I do think he's a little fucking corny. So what you're trying to say is that you put Taylor up so high that you expect some Rico Suave shit to catch her. Yeah. But maybe she doesn't want that. Maybe she wants somebody who's a great dick. Who fucking knows? I don't know what the – I can guess.

But he's a big fucking good-looking professional athlete. I do think – and this is before Taylor. I always thought he was a little bit corny on the field and the things he says and does. Like fucking – the Chiefs lose a game and he's like, it's all my fault. Put it on my shoulder. It's like, what are you talking about? You lost by 30. I don't even know what you're talking about.

Nice guy, man person. So he is a nice dude. But I do think he's got a decent amount of cheese ball to him. Okay, so what happens with these guys? Sorry, real quick. Who's your ideal match for Taylor? What guy? You get to pick any guy.

What guy deserves that? Yeah. Relationship or not? I don't even know. I would see her dating, and it doesn't mean it's right. I see her more of like a Daniel Jones guy if we're going to the NFL. She seems more along that scene. What the fuck are you talking about?

Why do you disrespect Taylor with Daniel Jones? What the fuck is going on? He's an NFL quarterback. Kind of. We know. Kind of. It's a big fucking deal. You think Daniel Jones?

I think that's a pretty fucking good like, good, I'm gonna say in the NFL. I don't know. Brady? She's gotta go Brady. Brady? Yeah, like, Brady's maybe a little old for her. Yeah, that's, yeah. But Daniel Jones, I mean, Kelsey got two rings. Yeah, I'm just saying their personalities to me

are closer. What? I just, I just don't, because he's just, if the Pro Bowl is happening and Daniel Jones wants to go, he has to buy a ticket to Hawaii. You know what I mean?

You guys are wild. That's what I'm saying. We're disrespectful. Listen, if you guys are talking about who's had the more successful career, I'm just saying where I fit. All right, let me give you a thought who I would be like

a good match for Taylor. Maybe I'll get back to you later in the show. I don't think it's like that. I think he's a true Swift dude. Yeah, I don't look. I have no interest sexually in Taylor Swift. And I call her mother. So I have no interest.

What mother wants, mother gets. Fine. I have no interest. That sounded sexual weirdly, though. No, no. That's what this is. He don't know I have no interest. That sounded sexual weirdly, though. No, no. That's what's... He don't know how to not shoot. Even in a compliment, he's still shooting her

in the fucking kneecaps. No, that's what the fucking Swifties say. It's like, oh, they call her mother. Like, get educated. I was unaware. I'm trying to, like... He's like a young... Oh, Gyllenhaal. Okay. Jake Gyllenhaal. They've done that, though.

They've done that. You're not a Swiftie. No, I know. They've done it. No, don't do this when you pretend you didn't know. I was going through. I know them all. Trust me. I know. Gyllenhaal. Mayor Gyllenhaal. Give me those friendship bracelets, bro. You deserve them. How do you name somebody? What about John Mayer?

I just said Mayer. I know. I fucked. I know them all. It's like if I said fucking scooter braun next i was a scooter would be good i had a mental fuck up scooter would be good don't try to trap me i'm trying to think who's like a youngish oh i got him the kid who played spider-man tom holland oh she's twice as tall as no no no no andrew garfield garfield bang that's the relationship garfield and swift put down the Tom Holland? She's twice as tall as Tom Holland. No, no, no, no. Andrew Garfield. Garfield, bang. That's the relationship. Garfield and Swift, put down the books. That's the relationship.

Wait, why? Just works. No. What do you mean no? I mean, Garfield is like half gay. I think she needs a little bit more men. Taylor Swift's tall. She's like 5'11".

She's very skinny, though. Yeah, but she's a model. She's like a model. Garfield's like 5'8", or something like that. He's an actor. Chalamet probably. Chalamet is too young,

can't handle that. You need a man's man. You need a Kelsey. The Life Tour announcements this weekend, Friday and Saturday in Toronto at the Scotiabank Arena.

Thank you guys so much. Both shows sold out. I appreciate you. Cannot wait to get up there. Hey, Dublin, October 12th. We just added some more tickets to go check that out. I appreciate you. Cannot wait to get up there. Hey, Dublin, October 12th, we just added some more tickets, so go check that out. Manchester, we added a second show, October 15th. Perth, Australia, we added a second show, November 13th. November 16th, Melbourne is almost sold out at John Cain Arena. Make sure you go check that out. Sydney,

we added a second show at the Aware Super Theater. And Brisbane, man, we just added more seats to Brisbane. That's fucking unbelievable. Thank you guys so much. And very cool big announcements in the next couple weeks. Cannot wait. I love you all. I'll see you there. Guys, major announcement.

It is finally happening. You know the place where I get requested to perform the most? You might not have guessed it, but the United Kingdom. They're not all oppressive fucks who are terrible at comedy shows. Some of you guys are great, and I'm coming to perform for you, and the pre-sale is available now if you use the word Akash. Go to akashsingh.com, pre-sale code Akash. You can get your tickets. I'm going to be in Glasgow. Make sure I get that right. December 17th. I'm going to be in London, Monday, December 18th, and I'm going to be in London, Monday, December 18th. And I'm going to be in Manchester, Tuesday, December 19th.

Tickets available at akashsingh.com. Use the pre-sale code AKASH. Hurry up and buy these tickets because I promise they will sell out. My DMs are flooded, not with whores, but with people asking me to come perform in the UK. It's shocking how many. So hurry up and buy these tickets. Also, we still got tickets available for October 27th through 29th in Atlanta, December 1st and 2nd in Portland, December 8th in New Orleans, and just added January 18th through

20th in Washington, DC. So guys, get your tickets for those shows and more at akashsingh.com. Now, let's get back to the show. I root for them. I'm not rooting against them. It's just surprising to me is what I said. I mean, you're not rooting for them. It's just surprising to me is what I said. It's not your first pick. Come on. Let me see. This is what they're doing.

Can we look up any of your girls' height miles if it's not too much trouble? Hold on, hold on, hold on. That's crazy. Why, you don't like the color of the car? It's just like, it's almost like they're doing it as a publicity stunt. They drive away in a convertible? So you want true love, that's the thing that- No, no, I'm happy for him. Listen, she wants to have her fun and Travis seems like a nice guy.

It's just a strange pairing to me. But who am I to fucking say God bless him? But this is what happens, you're fucking rich and successful now. You get seduced by different things, I imagine. I'm happy for her yes it's but you're asking me like i would have never i could have picked a million people and he wouldn't have been on the list of being like yeah that works i do think aside from her he struck me as kind of like a cringy type guy that would maybe get like you know girls going on the jersey shore and djs what do you do

what do you do what travis? He took down one of your bitches. No, no, no. He lost a bet. He lost a big bet on Travis. I think what he took down is the Patriots. Actually, I don't think Chiefs ever beat the Pats on playoffs, and Gronk's the greatest tight end of all time. Oh, this is a Gronk thing.

This is a Gronk thing. He's my fantasy tight end. Gronk was, I think, better in his peak, but Travis is long-distance. Travis is great. Gronk got beat up. Yeah, he played a long time. Plus, Travis is fucking great. He's a nice guy.

I just didn't see them together. I do think he's a little corny. Who cares? There's nothing wrong with being corny. There's nothing wrong with being corny. Yo, Gronk and Taylor Swift works, though. Gronk and Taylor Swift, that works. Yeah.

That works. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Edelk and Taylor Swift works though. Gronk and Taylor Swift, that works. Yeah, maybe. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Okay. Edelman and Taylor Swift, she's too tall for him maybe. Yeah. Yo, I wanna get back to this, but can we talk about something more straight right now? Straight what? Yeah, you met the gay guy Obama sucked.

I did. Yeah, yeah. So when I did Tucker Carlson, he was in before me. Hold on. So Tucker's day is interviewing the gay guy that sucked Obama and then immediately- And then I was next. Yeah, okay. How do you follow that? I would not trust that guy as far as I could bold.

He came across as the biggest fraud I've ever seen in my life. We're not talking about Tucker. We're talking about the other guy. And by the way, I got roasted. People like you attack Tucker because I tweet. I go, I don't trust this guy. He's full of shit. I wasn't attacking Tucker.

I was talking to the guy. This guy, the story, first of all, because they're like, by the way, this guy's going to be there. I never heard of him. I Googled it. It's like, so the story is so outrageous. I don't know how it gets past the first second. It's like, this guy lands in Chicago. Hey, anybody want to party? And Obama, like the senator, shows up.

He's sucking his dick 10 minutes later. It's like, it is the most ridiculous story. And then you see the guy. Unless you're gay, and then that's just what they do. I don't think that's what they do. Bro, there's an app that they have where you can geotag. Buddy, you're Obama. What you want to do and where they are.

I don't care if you like, hate Obama. I think we can all admit he's an intelligent guy. Yes. So you're a senator and you're sucking a stranger's dick 30 minutes later? You fucked a crazy guy so that everybody calls him crazy and you're like, there's no way I did that. That's genius. No fucking way. No, I don't think he did it, but that is genius.

There's no fucking way. So this is the only one? He's only done once in his life? With a snitch. Yeah, right. That guy, bro. No fucking way. That guy, he could do way better.

Yeah, Barack deserves better. He does deserve better. There's no chance. The guy he's wearing, he had like two fucking bracelets and two like casts on his wrist. Trust me, if you saw this guy, you'd be like, oh, this guy is a crazy person. That was my take on him. Okay, okay. Okay, but what we were talking about earlier was that, and you've been the victim of this,

is there's like a smear campaign, it feels, towards Obama right now, right? Like out of nowhere, the internet's like, did Michelle actually give birth to their kids? Is Michelle a man? Then the chef dies, and they try to act like the chef was his boyfriend. There's this big smear campaign going. So it happens both ways. A lot of times- Both sides are fucking equally toxic.

Yes. No doubt about that. I've said that from day one with anyone ever I get. It's like, I hate fucking both sides. Listen, for most people, you look at me I go on Fox I don't get invited on any other networks they'll be like Dave's conservative he's fucking leans to the right but if I say one thing that the right doesn't agree with they're all over savage reaches as hard they're both equally fucking crazy because that's the thing that

people I realize is like they will prop you up as long as you agree but they're not true fans no you your true fans will understand who you are as long as you agree, but they're not true fans. No. Your true fans will understand who you are as a whole person. A three dimensional person. Exactly, right, left and right. But the ones that are just kind of using you as a mascot, the second you divert from them at all. They're just as brutal.

And I've always said, I never want anybody to know the answer to a question, how I'm gonna answer a question before I answer it. That's the worst. And unfortunately, both sides, you know their answers. Immediately. Yeah, you tell me who's writing the article, I know what it's gonna say beforehand. But that's the thing I think people do is like, a lot of times people get famous enough to the point where there's so many clicks in writing a hit piece about them, right? I wonder if the Washington Post, the Times, whatever, all these different,

left, right, doesn't matter. I wonder if it's almost like tickets for a cop. Like at the end of the month or the end of the quarter, you need to hit your quota. And if you didn't get your views, well, I think we need to do a hit piece on Rogan. I think we need to do a hit piece on Portman. I think we need to do a hit piece on Elon. They know that that is guaranteed 10 million clicks and maybe they have to hit

that for their contract. I don't know if that's what it is, but it would not surprise me. I know it was part of Business Insider. I know that was part of it. I've seen it. And a lot of times, because what I do, which is probably, depending on how you look at it, I a lot of times will engage, which does what? More clicks for the people

attacking me. So they know that. And but he's a target. Yeah, right. He always responds. So it's like, oh, this guy's fucking easy money for clicks. But the people that ignore, that don't have a platform, you will let those media outlets decide who you are to the public. Totally.

So I understand why you do it. But now you're the perfect target for them if they want to get you. And a lot of times they're behind paywalls. They're literally trying to make money on you. Yeah, yeah, that's the most fucked up shit. The first time though is when you do that, people love you more. Your fans love you more cuz you're transparent. 100%.

So it almost works semiotically even if you don't mean for it. Yeah, like our pizza event, I think people were more fired up, psyched to be there because of all the controversy surrounding it. So real quick, what I think happens is when people get famous, they retreat to safety. Because if you're in the middle, you get attacked by both sides, right? Because you can give both of them clicks, right? If you're your own unique individual person, which most people fucking are. But the second you get famous, you gotta go, okay, I can't take all this backlash. Let me just become left or become right.

And that is my security blanket. That's my shield. The problem with that is you lose your individuality. It's like when you see these actors and stuff like that, they go, okay, I cannot be criticized constantly. I just am gonna go with or tow the company line or whatever the fuck that is for Hollywood because life is easier

and I'm gonna continue to make moves. Also, the floor is higher. You can be a lot more broke trying to be in the middle. But if you're always catering to one side, I'm gonna get money from that side. 100%. And I think the bigger your star personality becomes, most of these people start surrounding themselves. You have PR teams, you have all these people with what I think is horrible advice generally

giving to it. Yes. But it's like the person is almost just letting others around them dictate how to handle. No PR team would tell their client to call the person that's writing a hit piece about them and record it and put it out. Because that's not how they think, they're risk averse. How do we calm this down? Let's distract, kill a story with a story or something like that. But the reality is, is that when somebody's out for blood for you, as human beings, I think we enjoy seeing the person get vengeance.

Right, and I'm a vengeance guy. And even when I called the Washington Post, it wasn't some grand plan. The email was sent to me maybe 20 minutes beforehand. Can you break down the setup? So you're doing the pizza festival. So we're doing a pizza festival. And it's been in the works probably four or five months. Tons of work.

The medium rare guys, we're getting all the best pizza places, all the ovens, rented a stadium. The context of this is like all these different pizza places from what tri-state area? Yeah, for the most part Philadelphia. This is where you've done your one bite review, which is huge. And I know most of the pizzerias, I've met them, I'm friends with them, I've scored them, I've helped a lot of them. So I- These are the superstars. Yeah, fairly close knit. They're going to come and they're going to go to this stadium and they're going to recreate

the kitchens. Now, very difficult because if you are excellent at your craft, you're particular about your fucking oven, the temperature, the size, whatever. This is a pain in the ass. So I never thought we'd actually ever be able to do it because of that. There was a few that were there that I was like- Tafara, Lucali, John Zabrica. Lucali one, I was like, I couldn't believe it. Sally's, you name it. DeLorenzo's, John Pepe's, Frank Pepe's, excuse me.

It was the thing. The best of the best pizza you can have. This is a big thing to put together. This is not, hey, we're gonna throw some pizzas in boxes and then deliver them to a park and then everybody grabs a slice. This is the fucking- We looked at it and it looked like mini storefronts, basically. We let them pick their ovens.

We went out and so there were all sorts of different types of ovens. It was a big production to put together. And then probably like a week, week and a half, it started this dude, Kenji Alt Lopez, who I'd never heard of, celebrity chef, like a million on his YouTube channel, 600 Instagram. And he started publicly tagging the pizza places and being like, how the fuck can you support Dave Portnoy and all the hit pieces that have been written, quoting them, including like I'm a union buster, all this stuff, and just going crazy. He was also friends with the Washington Post. So- Where's his animosity for you coming from?

This is a crazy political human. So I didn't realize- So his identity is politics- Which I didn't realize. He actually, during COVID, he had to take this down and apologize. And it's always the same. He basically said, if you support Trump, it's no different than being a Nazi or wearing a white hood, like in the KKK. If you come to my restaurant, he won't serve you. So that's the vibe. And I have clearly been perceived as, well, David interviewed Trump, all that shit.

So that was where it was coming from in every hit piece. So he was going crazy, posting it, posting, tagging, shaming the pizza places. And he's getting rewarded from his followers and he gets a feeling of hero. And he blocks everybody. He doesn't allow comments. It's an echo chamber of just his world. Yes. And there's two authors of the Washington Post article, Emily Heal. And then Tom Karmaman or something? And guess who he's a super fan of? Kenji Alt-Lopez. Oh, well, well, well. What a shock. This guy, the other author, had one picture on his Instagram that wasn't himself. It was Kenji. That's the only one. So shocking how that works.

Kenji. That's the only one. So shocking how that works. And what was this, on Thursday before the festival or maybe Wednesday, I forget. But we get an email from a sponsor sent to me being like, heads up, the Washington Post is writing an article about the festival. And they basically sent an email, hey, we want to talk to you about supporting the Pizza Fest and being involved with Dave, who is a racist. Here comes the word I can't pronounce. Meshazanist. I can't pronounce it. He made it Hebrew. I cannot pronounce it.

I'll never be able to pronounce it. The fact that she didn't correct you one time made her quite likable. She could have. Somebody who is as unfamiliar with that term would never be able to pronounce it. Misogynist. Misogynist. Misogynist. You're losing it already.

And basically sent the email to the average. I was being like, please defend yourself. Putting them in a box. Yeah, it was crazy. What the fuck is a sponsor supposed to say to that? How could you support a pizza fest that is run by a misogynist? Yeah, right. And a racist. But they're also sending it to a bunch by a misogynist? Yeah, right. And a racist.

But they're also sending it to a bunch of old school Italians. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do they think they're gonna say? Oh my God. Finally, finally, our pizza fest. This was a major blue chip sponsor, the one that sent it to us. So these are the sponsors, not the actual kids? Yes, but they did it to everybody.

Yeah. So, and she put her number to call back Yes, but they did it to everybody. And she put her number to call back on. So that was sent to me. And I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna call this woman and see what the deal is. Watching her melt. So I called her and the call went as bad really for her as it possibly could. Because right off the bat, I'm like, why are you sending this email saying I'm the M word

and because I can't pronounce it and racist. And she's like, I didn't do that, I haven't done that. Well, let me read you the email. I read her the email, she's like, I just did that once. I'm like, that's weird, you just said you didn't do it and I just read it to you. And then the conversation continued. I'm like, do you know anything about me? She's like, no.

I'm like, well, then how could you send this email if you don't know anything about me? She's like, well, we're gonna talk to you later, which they weren't, and continued on. And then the journalistic tactic, that was- She said, we only send something negative to try to get people to engage. It's a journalistic tactic. I'm like, well, that's fucking bullshit. So it's almost as if she's admitting that her form of journalism is to manipulate the person she's interviewing to satisfy the angle of the article.

Which is no integrity in the journalism. I'm gonna prompt you so that you react to this prompt so I can take that one soundbite and be like, yes, we are aware that he does this stuff and we really questioned it, but maybe for the greater good, we thought it was okay. So now she's confirming who it is. But on the phone, I couldn't believe she said it. Me neither. She was just like, yeah, we fake stories.

That's the kind of way that I interpret it. Clickbait is most journalism. Bro, 100%. I wonder if they have to compete with YouTube now. I wonder if journalists are like the only way that they can get people to watch their video reports or even read their essays is that if they compete with the clickbait of YouTube. It's all clickbait. And then she also did something which has been almost my biggest complaint.

There's so many hit pieces, they're all the same shit. The hit piece reads the other hit piece and prints it as though it is fact. And how would anybody actually know if it's true or not? Because they haven't done the research to dig into. It's like I've offered to everybody, sit down, I'm an open book, put a camera, I will go through every point. And an open mind at the end is gonna be like, this is garbage. How has this ever been printed about him?

But she said, I'll sit down with you at 10 a.m. Then she picked the time. She's like, 10 a.m. I agreed to it, knowing the piece was already written. And then they canceled that. And they're like, we wanna move it to 5 p.m. Well, the article has to come out in like five minutes. So why would I agree to that?

Yeah, I didn't understand the angle right there. But I guess it's, they wanted to call with you after the article would already be printed. And you were trying to beat the article so that you could at least get a fair shake. And by the way, journalists, that's the thing. They don't want the fair shake because it puts them at risk. If you're printing something, you can always plead ignorance. I didn't know that.

I didn't know that. You can't say that if you've spoken with me, and I've basically given you facts and proof and evidence that contradicts what you're right. Okay. So that's why they don't want the subject. All right, guys,

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the show. You own a media company. How do you instill the journalistic practices that you want with your employees? Yeah, so we don't do that type of gotcha, catcha journalism. But having said that- Would you push back if you felt like there was- Here's an example. You know that girl who's blowing up Bobby Althoff? Yes, yes. So we had her on BFFs.

Yes. And- Oh yeah, you started drama with- Yes. So we asked her, did she sleep with Drake? Yeah. And she answered, no, this is a text. So we had her on the show, the Drake stuff broke after.

But since I knew her, I texted her, I'm like, hey, I'm hearing you slept with Drake and you got a divorce, is that true? Kind of joking, she's like, off the record? No, not true. And something else, we retold this story on BFFs the next week and our editors edited it and made it appear like she was about to confirm something salacious and it went uber viral. I went ballistic on my social team. I don't want clicks.

Oh, wow. I don't. I don't know, Dave. I don't know. No, I don't. Because you know what that clip was gonna do. But I didn't do it Dave. I don't know. No, I don't. Because you know what that clip was going to do. But I didn't do it. But.

Even before. No, even before it became a big story, I already ripped them apart. She says off the record. If you talk about this off the record conversation, then you know what that was going to do. No, it isn't. Because the actual. No, here it isn't. Because the actual clip, it was all together.

No, here it isn't, because the actual clip, it was all together. So when we were filming, she said off the record, ha ha, no, it's not true. I said, here's a response, ha ha, off the record, it's not true. I said it all together, they cut me, like the clip cut me. His point would be, and I'm a fan, but I have to say this, his point would be, if she says off the record, it's off the record. No, I disagree. If she says off the record, no, it's not true. Yeah, a misogynist would say that.

A mischiefist would definitely say something like that. If she says- You machinist. No, it's off the record. If she says off the record, no, it's not true. Together, those two don't mean anything. If she said off the record, no, it's not true. Together, those two don't mean anything. If she said off the record, yeah, I slept with him. I never would have brought it up.

Oh, oh, oh. She's being sarcastic. Yes. Off the record? No, it's not true. Correct. Off the record, yeah, it's true. Don't mention it.

You don't have to have something off the record if it never happened. Right, exactly. She wants that lie to be out or that rumor to be out there because it's- No, she clearly didn't because she went nuts. Because she didn't address the- No, no, no. You guys are saying different things. What I'll say is she would like people to think it might have happened.

She definitely didn't. She went crazy. But I understand the sarcasm here. If I'm off, off the record never had sex with Paris Hilton You're like, you don't need to tell me that Correct, it was like, she didn't say shit It was like

Did you sleep with Drake and your marriage is ruined? She's like, off the record No, like, okay Push back, I'm gonna dunk on you but go I'm fine, I'm 5'7". I've been dunked on. Off the record, you're kind of interpreting the tone of it through a text message.

Correct. Of this being sarcastic. But no, it's an interview. No. No, it's a text. DM. She said off the record, no, it's not true. That's right, you read it back in the video.

You have kind of interpreted the tone as being sarcastic. Did you know that it was beforehand? No. Here's my point. You don't have to say off the record, no, I didn't sleep with Drake. But she said it. To be joking. Can you just tell me something right now off the record?

To be joking. Can you just tell me off the record? Off the record, how do you feel about Travis Kelsey? Big fan. Off the record, I've never committed murder. Off the record, yeah. Now, if you wanted people to think that you were a murderer. If I wanted people to think I'm a murderer.

If you're a rapper that's a gangster rapper and you want them to think that you're dangerous and violent, and you go, yo, off the record, I never even held a gun. That would be bad to put out there in the world. So if we're assuming that Bobby wanted, this is interesting. If we're assuming that Bobby wanted people to think maybe something happened, now it was exposed that nothing happened. And it's the opposite drama but she still didn't want

that to be out there because now she has to clarify that she never slept with him and now that can't be out there in the ether which might have been the fun thing. Yeah you guys are going down a rabbit hole but the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter is she was mad that it spiraled a rumor that they actually fucked.

And then did they, then there was like. I don't know what happened, man. Now they got to fuck. No, well, now they don't even follow each other. Something happened with them. What happened? What happened? What is it?

What happened? That's what prompted it. That's what prompted it. That's what prompted it. But the way he said it, he's like, something happened. I don't know. Something happened.

That's what prompted it. Some weird shit over there. We got to get to the bottom of that. For the sake of clarity, the way this went down is they did the interview together. It went crazy viral. Reno!

Do you, little man? The way it fucking happened. Get in the ecstasy! get in the ecstasy the concert they unfollowed each other then i texted her i'm like the internet saying you guys fucked and ruined the message off the record no to say off the record no together is a nothing comment when you take out what is she saying they played it in a fucking clickbait way. That's how it went. I love it.

You just gotta believe it. You just gotta believe it. Dave, Dave, Dave. Dave. I'm waiting for like fucking King Kong Bunny to come running through the back here.

Like three-on-one fucking handicap match. Of all the things that we were going to talk about today, I think it was Bobby Alclough's interview. Okay, so you put out a statement, or your team put out a statement, which seemed kind of like you put it out. What? The written statement that was posted.

Was it on Alclough? No, no. This is when you, the Washington Post, and you were talking about journalistic integrity and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. No, no, this is when you the Washington Post and you were talking about Journalistic integrity. Yeah, but that was you It was great the team portal. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay What is what at what point not us cuz we're grandfathered into like thinking of the New York Times really matters The Washington Post really my world people that when we see something printed on paper, we're like, this must be the truth, this is real.

I wonder if teenagers now, they're growing up constantly seeing the president criticize the news, the left criticize the news, the right criticize the news. Cuz keep in mind, when we were growing up, it was The Daily Show saying everything coming out from the right was a lie and fake. And now you see the right saying, hey, look at mainstream media, look how much they are liars and fake. So this generation is coming up going, everything that we're seeing we should be skeptical of. Do they start looking at the New York Times and Washington Post and do they just go, do

they never have like a baked in trust of it? I don't think they do. And I think just the way people consume media is so different that I don't even know they grow up on that. Like I literally grew up in a household, the Times is gospel. If something was said in the Times, it was true. Same with the Washington Post. My dad, I've said it many times, he's a liberal guy, hated Trump.

He has begrudgingly come to grips with the fact, and I think it hurts him to the core, that the media is slanted. He knows now Washington Post, if he picks it up, it's gonna be negative to me. And it's a big change. It's a big change to like- You know what might have basically killed journalistic integrity is Craigslist. Because that's what sunk newspapers.

They made so much money off the classifieds. Craigslist, people would just put their shit on there for free. Newspapers start taking crazy hits, layoffs everywhere. Oh, you're saying- Now they're trying to make money however they can. Yeah, I don't know. See, my question is whether it's just always been that way. It's been good.

If there's more media now to expose it and go backwards, I would have had no voice to fight what is going on. That's true. You look at all these incidents throughout history that got us into wars, like the Gulf of Tonkin thing that happened with Vietnam, right? This fake thing doesn't happen. No ship sunk and all of a sudden we're in a war, right? There was no podcast for some people to go, yo, I don't think a boat really got exploded. Where are the dead Americans? Like, does anybody have a cousin that was over there

that didn't come back? So now that there is, you could make the argument that back in the day, there was mutual benefit for everybody being on the same side of what maybe the military industrial complex or whatever the fuck you wanna say. Whatever the government wanted to push through. But now the fact that you have all these other independent media sources out here, we don't look like loony bins conspiracy. It's the same with a lot of things like sports, like athletes now have their own vehicle to

get their own perspective out, whether it's on Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it. Before, it was newspaper writers who would, you know, dictate the perception of an athlete. Yeah. And now they're starting their own podcast. Yeah, exactly. The, what's the, the Ryan Clark one's fire. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of athlete podcasts that are great.

Yeah, Pivot is great. Even the Manning Bros are great. Manning Bros. We have a podcast pat first of all roan is fucking yep grace yep like i was watching all his battle rap stuff before and then the two of them together fantastic yep and um yeah that's one of the weird podcasts that i can actually watch if it's through zoom like usually i can't do the zoom pods but but for now i can fuck with it. But yeah,

I guess now we're in the age of, we don't need experts on the thing to talk about it. We can get it right from the source. Yeah. So all that changes. I tend to think media has always been, history is written by the winners. That is, for the most most part always been true. Yeah, okay, so I call you after I read this article, it says you bought back Barstool. Yes. Okay, I call you on FaceTime, we have yet another boomer moment between the two of us. Where he's getting a million fucking calls obviously, right?

And he doesn't know how to exactly stop the call, so the FaceTime is just going like blur every two seconds. And because this is like a minute after it was fucking announced, right? And I never got to say this to you, but what I liked about it is most people start a business now and they're looking for an exit and they cultivate a community and they kind of like lie sometimes or maybe not lie, but manipulate a little bit. Hey, we're in this together. Hey, we're team this. We got to all make this product great, but they're doing it all so they can get an exit from the Saudi fucking fund or whatever the hell it is. And you were off. You didn't have to come back. And the fact that you came back,

didn't have to come back. And the fact that you came back, I was so excited because I can imagine being a Barstool fan for 10 years going, oh, we weren't lied to. He cared about the community and he wants this to continue. And he understands that if he doesn't take the helm, that maybe it falls apart. And I thought it was a really fucking dope thing for a chief to do. It doesn't have to do it. Right. Yeah, so the only thing I can correct there is I was very, very honest and upfront the entire time that I did want to fuck off.

I'm like, and I told our community that. I was like, I'm going to make a fucking ton of money and I'm going to be like, poof, like fucking usual suspects and Kaiser Sosa on a beach. I would have, I was slowly phasing out. The way the situation came about, my company would have been in big trouble. I think a lot of people had gotten laid off, fired. I have fucking morons at work for me. What the fuck were they going to do?

They're going to go bag groceries. They've been living this life. So I was at a crossroads to, I guess, what you're saying. Because I could have made a shit ton of money, gone on my way. I would have left Barstool, I think, in a very vulnerable, bad spot. I didn't want to do that. If I thought they were solid and it would have continued, then maybe I would have fucked off. But I knew it needed me to be back to make sure the company was secure, the community was secure, all that. So yes. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah. It's a care about the community. I think there's a lot of people, and I think especially right now, the way that you kind of build up a brand, it doesn't have to be a media brand. It could be fucking toothpaste. But it's like, hey, this is the toothpaste community. Look at us, we're all in it, the whitest teeth community. We got this. And the second you get that money, you're never fucking talking about toothpaste again. My brand, I've been, I don't want to say blessed, like the Pizza Fest, you name it. We have the best- You could say blessed on Yom Kippur. Loyal on Yom Kippur. Fans ever. That's what lets us be us. Like we've never been beholden

to advertisers or anything because our people have been following us now 20 fucking years. A lot of them, they always have our back. They know who I am. They know who we are. And they'll go to war for us.

So that is part of what you're saying. Just turn your back and be like, I'm fucking out on them. You can't do that. And a lot of my employees have been with me 10, 15 fucking years. They're friends. They're fucking a demented fucking family.

And I don't like talking to them when I'm in the office because they drive me nuts. But they're still fucking family. So that is why I didn't go. Feel the responsibility to take care of them. Yeah, big time. Now, if you found somebody, anybody that you thought, oh, this guy could take it over and these guys, everybody would still be taken care of. Barstool would be in good hands now.

In a fucking heartbeat Yep, is there somebody the and we can bleep the name if you want we have we have internal people who could do it but Like What so our did Penn went with ESPN? That's what happened So when Penn was with Penn is the they bought the gambling company who bought Barstool. And then they formed a 10 year, $2 billion deal with ESPN.

ESPN Bets is gonna now be with Penn. So once they did that, I'm looking at it, it's like, all right, ESPN and Penn now have this huge relationship. We're far less important to Penn. And they're just gonna start the people aren't making big money or clear earnings. They were going to keep both of them around? I think they would. Yeah, I don't know what they're planning.

I think they would have streamlined the fuck out of Barstool. I thought it was one or the other. No. That's what I thought. Not necessarily. That's what I thought you were leveraging. Not necessarily. Why'd they sell it back to you for a dollar?

Because we have a great relationship with them. So I think the situation was, Why they sell it back to you for a dollar? Because we have a great relationship with them. So I think the situation was, we're going to really streamline Barstool. It's going to be about cost, get things go. If you want to go back and run it, because Barstool is losing money. Like Barstool is losing 10 to 12 million bucks a year. Which you can float when you have a massive billion dollar corporation that's pumping money into it. Once you have ESPN, it's like, why are we losing 10 to 12 million dollars a year. Which you can float when you have a massive billion dollar corporation that's pumping money into it. Yeah, right, but then once you have ESPN, it's like, why are we losing 10 to $12 million a year? Let's fix that. Or Dave, here, it's your thing. You can do what you want.

We get that off the books and- And they're incentivized because if he sells it back, they get 50%. So if they got the right guy in charge- True, if you sell it again. Yeah, if he sells it again. So, okay, so you're going in, you come into the business, and that's the thing a lot of people don't understand. They just hear, bought it back for a dollar, and then they go, well, this thing's printing money and he buys it back for a dollar. They don't realize you're buying back, losing a million a month for a dollar. So you're spending 12 million a year to buy it back.

Correct, pretty much. I think that's something that's not reported. So then you have the layoffs. Yep. First of all, you just talk about these people as family. Yes. Laying off is hard for you. It's the worst.

Now, I'm lucky in a sense, laying off anybody is hard. I, once we did the deal, a lot of people were brought into Barstool. That you didn't have that. That I didn't know who they were. And it was the process of making, Penn's a public company. So books, finance, things I didn't associate with. We had a layer that was really to make us function with a company that has to do public reports.

Oh, so you could see what was making money, what wasn't making money. All of that. But the content, the people I hired, the people I knew, almost all of them stayed. Got you. So it sucks laying people off. It's a lot harder when you know their faces, their family, their friends. I didn't really know that. We got rid of a lot of finance, business, people that were there.

I mean, the company switched goals overnight, just overnight. It went from Penn, build this huge pipeline gambling to a totally different company. So a lot of people had to go. Cuz they could be cool losing $12 million a year as long as it was generating 20 in gambling. It's a rounding error. Yeah.

It's a rounding error. I don't think people realize how much money these fucking gambling institutions have. And how much they're spending on advertising. We're their marketing budget. So it's just a totally different way that you're running the business now. So yeah, it still sucks. Scary at all, like going into it and going, okay, we need 12 million to get in the black.

Right. Scary at all for you or no? No, I knew all the books, I looked at it and I've made enough money. So like if I had to cover that myself for as long as I did, I was very comfortable doing that. Got it. Like that wasn't, and I didn't buy the company to make money. I've said that a million times. I've made my money.

Would I like to buy a sports team? Yeah. Am I ever going to be there? No. So it's like, what's the difference? Wait, why not? Oh, you need some, I don't want to be like a dick 1% owner. I'm going to like to be like a B, the business isn't a B business unless there's an idea

I haven't thought of yet. The business isn't a bee business, unless there's an idea I haven't thought of yet. So if you, okay, so if you get into the bees, the first purchase would be sports team. That's the only thing I can ever imagine being like, fuck, that would be awesome. What do you think that you could access? Football is obviously almost impossible. Hockey? Yeah, I bet hockey is probably the most logical, my least of the favorite. That's the tricky thing.

But I don't know what they think. Like football, definitely not. Baseball, I guess, no. Basketball. Basketball, there's some young dudes like, you know, Itchco, whatever, but I am controversial. They got to get approved. But I'm not even close to that.

But that's the only thing I think left in my life where it's like- I mean, yeah, you don't know how fucking horse. Yeah. Multiple. Just a question about the way in which you went about the layoffs. Would you have done it different? Because like I saw the clip of you coming into the office and just like berating everybody like where the fuck is everybody and calling everybody.

I like that. Those all people stayed. Yeah. Yeah. But then it's like you come to the office, you talk about the employees like that, and then all these layoffs happen and didn't look the best. Well, A, you got it reversed because the layoffs happened first. So I was yelling at the people for not appreciating their jobs after all these layoffs and everyone's

late to work. So you fire everybody and then these people who- No, but there was layoffs after that. No, not really. Most of them were four. Okay. Well, the layoffs, 90% of them happened

like one day, right? And then there was another wave of... No, there was one... There was like four people and then I think all of them one day, basically. Oh, okay.

But would you have gone about it differently? No, I don't know. I don't know what you're asking. Like, because you call them like, hey, this is my family. We're building a community. But then it's like you come in the office. It's like, fuck, where's everybody?

You guys are all lazy. Fuck you. And then now you're fired. But none of those lazy fired people, the people I was yelling at, none of them got fired. You're talking about like I went into the content side when they didn't show up because we were going through layoffs. And it was more like, how the fuck don't you show up? And I'm pretty sure in the video, I'm like, after we just did fucking layoffs, you guys- If there's one day to be early to work- Correct.

It's the day- Got it. Yeah. That you show that you're grateful you still have your job. Correct. Gotcha. No, no, I was on the content. So the way Barstool is essentially set up in New York, we have a second floor, which is almost all my content people. Third floor is the business side. That's really where, but that was at the people been with me for 10 to 15 years. I was yelling at them, which is like how I basically, when I was there

a lot, talked to them anyways. But that, even though it seems like you're saying you may know how the layoffs went at my own company better than me, I'm pretty sure that was after. So I'll just try to get clarity. So this is an interesting thing also, where it's like, if you got guys that are there for like 15 years, right? We all grew up with a certain energy in a business. Like I like to yell.

I'm a huge yeller. Yeah, it's great. I like to yell in front of people. I don't need to like bring one person to a different room. Everybody can hear it because we're all going to hear it eventually. So you might as well hear it from me. And by the way, I let people yell back at me. I don't give a fuck.

Let's go. Let's dance. Right. Okay. I saw this like Jimmy Fallon shit. Did you see it? hear it from me. And by the way, I let people yell back at me. I don't give a fuck. Let's go. Let's dance. Yeah, right. Okay. I saw this Jimmy Fallon shit. Did you see it? I did see it. And the complaints about Fallon.

Yep. That shit makes me very nervous. And that made me kind of not now. Can you explain just for anybody? Yeah, so Fallon basically, he, all his employees, or not all, a few, were like, it's a toxic place to work. Yeah. We don't like him. Yeah. He's unpredictable. He yells. He's nervous.

Yeah, it was a bunch of shit, which anybody now could say that about me if my employees wanna do that. Be like, my man, I remember we had a sales guy who fucking, I was at a Kentucky Derby and I was sitting next to a client. The client was drunk, out of control. I looked over to my sales guy and he's eating fucking shrimp cocktail. The next day, I'm like, you fat fuck, you're eating fucking shrimp cocktail when I'm in the fucking weeds, screaming at him. I've had, I've had. Oh my God.

Because your baby's sitting in his shrimp clutch. We had, you want to talk about it, we had, and this, you get canceled for this, but this is my personality, I don't mean. We had Biz Nasty, our hockey guy, he's awesome, spitting chicklets. Biz brought in Chick-fil-A for the office one time.

Everyone lined up, we ran out of Chick-fil-A. He brought enough for the office. I was like, who the fuck is taking double Chick-fil-A. He brought enough for the office. I was like, who the fuck is taking double Chick-fil-A's before everybody gets one? I went up to the same sales guy who's a little bit on the bigger side. I was going through his trash, trying to see if there were multiple wrappers. I'm like, I know you took multiple. You can't do that shit. I had a fat pen at the office. Fat people sat in one area. No, no, no, no.

And I told HBO, I'm like- Take a pen. It's a fat pen. You walk in, you throw like fucking Snickers bars in there. But it's like a joke where people bust balls. Like if I think somebody, and I know people are gonna be like, you sound fucking awful, but- No, I don't think they will. I think the average person is okay with that.

It's like you bust balls and you do it back and that's how our office is. You take it, I've used this analogy, you'll get it. I feel like a lot of times Barstool, people don't like us. It's like going on a comedy show that you didn't buy a ticket for it. You don't like the comedian. You hear a joke, you walk out of the comedy show and you'll be like, you'll never believe what this guy said and you give no context to any of it. That is how I feel a lot of the shit we deal with is that.

And I think that's way more now because we're being pushed content we never asked for. Whereas back in the day, you had to turn on HBO to watch the HBO show. Now you're just on your phone, you swipe up another TikTok, and then you're talking shit to some employee with no context. They're like, who the fuck is this guy calling all the fat people to go to the fat pen, right? So I understand that knee-jerk reaction a little bit more from people because they're not opting in as much. That being said, when you see an article written about the Fallon situation, for me, that's what we were talking about earlier. It's just like, okay, I can get clicks from famous

person being toxic at work. Let me describe it and nobody will read the fucking article. Yeah. They'll read one paragraph because once we described what it was on here, and granted we're older, but there wasn't a single one of us who was like this is inappropriate. Dude, I tried to read headlines and I remember, I mean, I tried to read articles, not just headlines. And I remember on that one, I was like fuck, I just read the headline. Yeah. I did a disservice to Jimmy. All right, guys, let's take a break for a second. It's time to learn a second language, okay?

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I have. It's an interesting one for me because of my past. Of course. The business side or whenever something like this happens. You have to be skeptical, right? People rush me, support him, do this, do that. It's like, I don't know what the fuck he did. How does anyone know? I'm sure people say that about me.

The only thing I know is what I fucking did, which was nothing. But last thing I want to do is rush to the forefront of a guy. And then two weeks later, there's fucking all this evidence. And it's just like, whoa. So you don't have to jump and say he's innocent just because you gotta let the facts come out yes but you also don't have to jump and say he's guilty right yeah i've said right you gotta let it play out but it's it's wild see what's happening and you know what's interesting is like seeing i've seen a lot of stuff from the british comedy scene kind of come out and they have not been very supportive.

Yeah, so you never know. And I can only look at like when my business stuff came out, within 24 hours, I had, it's still up. What I would maintain is a mountain of evidence that totally dispelled the article, improved everything I said was right. It's all up there, text messages, everything. People should have that, I feel like- You got, let's go. Yeah, all right, you wanna do it? And that's what I scream, here it is. I have text messages with a girl for five years after the fact of her being like, let's

hang out, let's do. Only I publish that. So you wanna see the evidence, but you have to let it play out. You can't, so when I see Russell Brand, I don't think, I have no idea. It's like, hopefully, I always find it crazy, people will fucking root for him to be guilty. And it's like, what do you- Why would you want these girls to have gone through that? Yes, right.

What you don't want, the number one goal here is the girls didn't go through it. A hundred percent. So that's what you should be rooting for. But it seems like either there's- I know with me, it felt like the people in enlightenment were rooting for the accusation to be true. They would rather a girl get assaulted just so you go down. Yes, it's crazy.

It's nuts. They're lying and then girls weren't assaulted. You want to talk about toxic or twisted shit, that is a wild mentality. You were willing to sacrifice four women to get you? It's crazy. Three was what the- Three, whatever. By the way- Four for Russell. We'll clarify right now.

One became a porn star the day after the thing's launch, was put in contact by Sophie Franklin and Milf Hunter, who hate my guts. And by the way, on a live fucking her personal friends, Instagram live story the entire weekend. She's saying all these things happen. Meanwhile, she's in real time saying I'm the most boring fucking guy in the world. She hates my guts. She'll only hook up with athletes. The other one, I have text message. It's so crazy.

I always have to say it because there's no way to stop it. The thing that's frustrating, whether it's Russell Brand or anybody- But I feel like you got the best out of that situation. If you're telling the truth, you can't even sum it up quickly. And people retweet the articles, and they go with the headline. I always reference your situation, and especially when it comes to like Louie, right? Like Louie didn't go out and on the attack. And he kind of let the idea of what he did crystallize in casual fans. So they didn't really know what happened. And if he had gone out immediately and was like, hey, here's exactly what happened. You tell me if I did anything

wrong here. I asked permission. It's some weird shit. Yeah, I mean, it's some weird shit. But I asked every single one, tell me if you did anything wrong, I guarantee it would have changed his perception. Now he's back, he's killing it. But it's a perfect example of like, if they're coming for your life, you gotta fight for your life if you're innocent, man. 100%. You can't just sit fucking back. 100%, and I always wonder like it's, I saw a quote just even yesterday where someone

said we supported Harvey Weinstein. And it's like, I know what we had at Barstool Radio that day when all that shit broke. And we prefaced it by saying he's a monster. This isn't his case. He deserves to rot in prison. That was the beginning. And we're saying- But he made some good movies.

We said theoretically. Yeah, he had some good hits. He did have some good hits. The conversation was fantastic. Shakespeare in love? I'm not going to do it. I had a great point. You're never going to hear it. That point's gone.

We can get it out of him. I think we can tickle it out of him. We can get it out of him, I think. I think we can tickle it out of him. We can tickle it out. Come on, tell me. What was it? It's gone. Once I'm on a point and it doesn't come out, it's gone.

You're acting like a real mashuganist. I know. Mashuganist. No, it's gone. It's gone. What's up? Okay. This is a fun game.

You're great at handling controversy. Let's think of people that are going through controversy, whether it's like big stakes or small stakes. How would you deal with it? Logan Paul, Dylan Danis coming at him, coming at his ex. What would you do with the NDA thing? Listen, I think I like Logan, and I know Dylan. I think you sign the deal with the devil when you're fighting Dylan Danis. Dylan Danis is a savage.

Now, do you know he's going to go that hard on Nina Aguil? Wild. No, but it's the fight game. I think you just let, like, what is the, I saw the video where she's like, she likes sex. I don't know how he got that, probably illegally. But, you know, he's like Photoshopping her on pictures. So who fucking cares to a degree? But that's Dylan Dent. I just ignore it.

That's what I would do. I mean, it's hard to say because it's not Logan. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like he's, I'm sure. Like if someone's going after my girlfriend like that, it would be hell on earth for me. Yeah.

I don't think Logan probably, he's just managing his fiance, which he should and has to but it is the fight game the fight game's like a wild world where it's like the wild wild west so if you were logan you just would you would ignore all the comments i would do like the nda shit and things like that or suing or whatever like nina sued him i it's part of the fight game just be like i'm gonna beat the fuck out of you. That's the thing- I still don't think that fight's gonna happen, but- So that's the tricky thing, it's like, is it weirdly, do the lawsuits give Dylan a way out?

I mean, the guy hasn't fought in like ten years, but- Yeah. And he didn't look great, I don't know. It is interesting, I guess they're suing because one of the pictures or videos was private. Well, that's the one I was talking about where Nina- It was her talking, I thought she just put that on Instagram or Snapchat. No, I think she said that must have been taken deep from her archives. But why would she record into her phone speaking publicly?

Maybe she was like- It could have been sent to somebody got you like your friends Yeah group chat. Yeah, something like okay. So that's a private thing. Okay, so I Get okay. I get that that being said if he wasn't posting every single day. I Don't think that there's and I don't think that there's a lawsuit out there I think we're focused. I think they're focusing on that specific video, but it's not about that video. It's about the onslaught of images that's painting her. Yeah, but I mean, again, to me, they're not. I mean, I saw Logan say this at one point.

He's like, yeah, she had boyfriends before me. I haven't seen anything too fucking great. She had boyfriends. Who fucking cares? Yeah, she's a beautiful woman who's dated successful dudes. Once Nina shows that she's upset by it, listen, Dennis will go in. There's nothing to stop him.

So anytime you acknowledge, engage, do more, he just ramps it up. It's the fight game. I asked Dylan about it and he's like, any image that's being shared is public. It's either been shared by her or that. She's like, now he's creating the narrative behind it. Correct. And then we could argue how bad it is to bully this girl, which is bad she's not involved,

right? It is the fight game, but I think there's also an ickiness we all feel. We're like- Yeah, it's family. Yeah, it's just like- We family out. Yeah, like what's going on here? I wouldn't want anybody talking about my wife like that. Totally. Absolutely.

But I'm trying to think. But I do think not that Logan would have expected this. But he had to expect shit. It is not remotely surprising that Dylan would go here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been trolling nonstop. So what happens if he doesn't show up to the fight? I think he'll continue with the trolling probably. What happens if he doesn't show up to the fight? I think he'll continue with the trolling probably.

What happens if he wins? We're all in trouble. Yeah. It'll be never ending. I don't think he will, but it'll be never ending. Are you gonna go? No, I've lost my interest in, to Dylan's, if you wanna say credit, he has made it interesting. Because you actually, you know there's real fucking bad blood.

Yeah. But I've kind of lost my interest on the celebrity boxing shit. You're over it. Yeah, a little bit. I thought that would be a perfect lane for Barstool. I mean, since they have it, you guys have been doing it. Yeah, we do like, but not name. We do like no names.

Yeah, but celebrity ones. Yeah. The Jake Paul Fury fight was my last kind of, No names. Yeah, celebrity ones. Yeah. The Jake Paul Fury fight was my last kinda, because I didn't know how good Jake was. I was very curious. And then when he fought Fury, I think I came to the conclusion, he beat the shit out of me, but he's certainly not an elite boxer. And that kinda took the bloom off the rose for me a little bit.

Yeah, I wonder, the celebrity boxing thing, and you guys kind of picked up on this because you wouldn't do for the, was it Ruff and Rowdy? Yeah, you wouldn't do celebrities, but you would do like archetypes, like hillbilly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We had Jose Canseco. We had Jose Canseco. Private school kid. Yeah, you had Jose. But I also think it's a really interesting way of like galvanizing group support. Cuz this is what boxing was, right? Totally.

When we were growing up, it was just like Mexican versus American. Yeah. Puerto Rican versus black guy. That's still a huge thing with boxing. And it wins every fucking time. Yeah. Cuz you tap into the identity. So if you got like, I'm from the Appalachian Mountains guy, and then you got city private

school kid, I mean, this is- And we still do celebrities. The thing is celebrities just like anything with social media, they don't need the middleman. They can make all the money themselves. Like, what do they want to give us? Like, certainly Logan and Dylan don't need us to help promote their fucking, everyone knows about this fight. When is it? I don't even know.

It's October 14th, 13th, 15th, one of those. Are you a UFC guy at all? Moderate. Yeah. Like big fights. We sponsored Patty the Batty, Molly Meatball. I'll go to the big ones, but I'm more of a boxing guy, traditional boxing. What is...

I saw you, I think, at a UFC fight. Yeah, we saw you. I think it was at the Garden. Yeah. Okay, so what is like... You said something interesting out there. You said, my only joy in life right now is eating. That's true.

Cuz I asked you, I was like, would you do a Zempik? And you're like, yeah, but you can't eat. And that's the only thing I have to look forward to. That's factual. Okay, is that because you've made the money, you have the houses, your family's safe? And this is, explain that to me. Is it because you have the things that you want? I think as you get older, I'm in a committed relationship, committed relationship, so I'm not, like, chasing girls or doing anything like that.

I like gambling, but food, it's like, I feel like when you're younger, you're going out, you're partying, you're doing other stuff. I just eat. This is the drug now. Yeah. I'm not chasing these other highs. Yeah, right. Desserts. Like a great fucking pasta.

Like, that can make me cum. That's like my new cum. That's my favorite line. My dick is on the floor. Yeah, yeah. When you have something great, that's like the true video. It's like pizza, great pizza. Holy shit.

Yeah, I don't think that's a revolutionary statement. This is new for you? This is like, I'm trying to understand. It's also cuz with food, it seems like it's literally food is the thing creating the stimulus. It's not like, hey, we're all having a conversation and breaking bread. You could sit there by yourself and eat the pasta. Really? Yeah.

And then, but you've tried drugs, you drank, you've done these other things. And this is the one right now. This is not, because you know what? Outside, like, you put on some pounds or whatever. Like, if I go party hard, I'm ruined. I can't. Oh, there's no fucking hangover.

Yeah, I can't function the next day. I'll get sick. It's like, I can't work. I can't think. So, would I love to be, if someone has, like like a drug that I can go have the time of my life and up till fucking 6 a.m. and be ready to roll at 10 a.m. the next day, I'm in. Give me that drug. I'm ready to go.

But I don't have that anymore. And I'm getting up on it. Like if I do ecstasy now, almost uniformly, I get a bad cold two weeks later. Oh. Yeah. It's like because I lose a night of sleep. Oh, yeah. The body's broken down. I'm trying to recover. night of sleep. Oh, yeah, the body's broken down.

It just breaks down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I used to, and it's probably because I don't do it much anymore. Like, I used to do it more frequently in my body. But, yeah, if I go out, it's the best. It's the best drug there is. How the hell do you stay in such good shape eating all that pizza? One bite.

What's your secret? One bite. I swear to God, I've thought about that. He says one bite. One slice. I don't know. I'm your secret? One bite. I swear to God, I've thought about that. He says one bite. One slice. I don't know. I'm definitely getting flabby. That impresses me as much as being worth nine figures is just one bite of good pizza and then throwing the rest out.

If it's great, I eat one. I've never seen you only take one bite. If it's great, I definitely eat more. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I want to know the secret because I want to be eating pizza like that. Oh, yeah. Walk. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I want to know the secret because I want to be eating pizza like that. Oh, yeah. Walk. Honestly, I just walk a lot.

No, hot boy walks, for real. Hot boy walks? I'll try to do like three to four miles a day if I can walk. Really? Yeah. Okay. All right. You got to stop walking then.

I'm trying to. What about a restaurant, Dave? Is there any interest in doing fine dining? Like opening one? Or being part of it? Is that something interest in doing fine dining? Like opening one? Or being part of it? Is that something that's challenging to you? Oh, yeah. Are you like, do I want to hack that?

I want to beat that? I want to create that? Nothing into it. So this is simple indulgence. Yeah, yeah. I love great meals. Dream restaurant you haven't been to? Ooh, what a question.

I always hear Ryo's. I've never been there. Ryo's or whatever. I've heard overrated hear Ryo's. I've never been there. I've heard overrated, not overrated. Iconic Italian restaurant in East Harlem in New York City. You guys probably seen the sauce. They have the Ryo sauce. It's based on that. And this is like an old New York haunt. You got to know somebody to know somebody type of thing. I'm not sure if there is anything. Foreign, foreign restaurant, anything. Are you like looking at Michelin stars, sushi guy at all?

No, no. Like if I hear it's great, but there's nothing like- Dude, I have- Tokyo trip? Oh no, I have no desire. I love sushi. Hold on, hold on, hold on. The Japanese, their culture is based around perfecting things, and they ran out of Japanese shit to perfect.

So now they're just perfecting other cultures' things. I had the best steak I've ever had in my life in Tokyo. I had the best pizza. I grew up in New York City. Best pizza? Pizza, I think it's called Pizza Strada or something like that. Now, I'm gonna create a little caveat, I was eating sushi for seven days in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I had pizza, so it was so novel,

different, etc. But their culture is perfection. Everything they do just has to be just whittled down to perfection. How long on a plane ride is that? You're up there for a while. It's a while. It's probably a day. I'm such a homebody. It's like I'm the opposite of some travel people like exploring new places. I'm very much like, ooh, I found a place I like. I'm going to be good here.

I don't have to move. But this is food. I love food. Also, you're laying flat on the plane now. That's home. That is a big difference. You close the door. I got my TV. That is a big difference. You close the door. I got my TV.

That is a big difference. Phone? Don't text me. I can't text you. Yeah, if I'm on Wi-Fi, I can be on a plane for any amount of time. It's actually fun. You're right, to be in those cubicles that they got. Yeah, dude.

I mean, if you were into, if you're just looking for the meal, bro, this is no brainer. No interest to go out there. No, I mean, you're creating a compelling case a little bit. I want to watch you go there. I want to see the Dave vlog. I want to see you reacting to the Harajuki girls. It just fucking seems so many people. It is.

Times Square on steroids. That's why I need to see you there. Just the fact that your shoulders are coming up. I need to see. Times Square is the worst that your shoulders are coming up. I need to see. Times Square is the worst place on earth. Please go. This is. You were going up and then when you're like, it's exactly like Times Square.

It's like, well, I fucking hate Times Square. It's Times Square, but they're all Japanese. And it's like the best places. Like, hey, Dave Portnoy wants a reservation. I'm like, who the fuck are you? No, no, you got it. You go through the hotels. The hotels take care of everything.

All right. Also, imagine if all the best shit was at Times Square. Times Square we know to be like the M&M store. Imagine if the best restaurants were in Times Square. Still would fucking hate it. And the restaurants won't even be in that area. I don't like people. There's too many.

I don't like crowds. Yeah. I hate crowds. You're gonna. But they all look like one person. You know what I mean? Because I'm taller? No, they just don't like people, there's too many, I don't like crowds. Yeah. I hate crowds. You're gonna- But they all look like one person, you know what I mean? Because I'm taller? No, they just don't look that different. He doesn't see color.

I didn't even get the joke. Some people say they look similar. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Okay, this needs to happen. Dave goes to Tokyo, And they just opened up. Because they were closed for years because of COVID. So you couldn't even travel there. I didn't know that because I wasn't looking to go.

They just opened up? I think within a few months. That's why it seems like all these celebs have been gone. This is- You're in the celeb world. Who the fuck's been gone? You're in the celeb world. But who?

Like who? You just said all these celebs are gone. Like who? Kai Sanat and Speed. I don't even know who those fucking people are. They're streamers. They stream on Twitch. You know Kai is the guy who did that thing in Times Square.

With Riot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard about that. Are you into this streaming thing at all? What is your, you don't think? I mean, obviously I get that they're fucking hugely impactful, influential, but I'm not. Streaming's not, I miss that they're fucking hugely impactful, influential, but I'm not. Streaming's not. I miss that wave.

Do you have your eye on any talent out there that you're trying to bring to Arsenal? No, not really. You guys pick. We've had great talent, still have great talent come through the doors. We're always looking. What do you look for in talent? Because you have a great eye for talent. You're like the SNL for the online world almost.

It's just different, really. Sometimes I get it. Sometimes I don't. Like, call her daddy. I didn't really fucking get it. But it's like I knew it was different. A million dollars worth of game. I thought they were very fucking funny.

So it just varies. Like, Rome, different. I was hoping that the Cameron May show. We talked to them. Oh, is that going to happen? No, I don't think. It is what it is. Fantastic, dude.

Yeah. So good. We did speak with them. That would have been a perfect fit. You made an offer to them? I don't know if we ever went that far. It was also at a time when I wasn't owning the company anymore. So they weren't cheap.

So it was like, we talked to them and ultimately I think it was a pen decision. I believe we got a quote. I won't say what it was. It was a lot. We gave it a lot of thought and we just passed. It was really a pen thing. Yes, probably big money but they got it.

If you were at the helm, would you have accepted the offer? I don't know, because generally, they already were too big for when we like to get involved. Because if someone's already exploded, what's our value add? Anybody can write you a check. But we like to be kind of on the come up. So like Call Her Daddy was nothing. Million Dollars Worth Game was already big, but they weren't, they had, I don't think,

hit that next level yet. You're sharing the growth. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's our value. If anybody can write a check. So they were already, I feel like, before we got involved. Gotcha.

I mean, we had fucking Dion. Yeah. Dude, that, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch? We had Dion like right before he went to Colorado. It was Yeah. Dude, that, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch? We had Dion like right before he went to Colorado. It was insane. He's the best guy in the world.

Ever. Love him. He is the number one guy I've met that was totally different than what I thought I was getting when I met him. And just like the smartest, down to earth, aware, like calculating, just do whatever. First time you met him, what happens? I was impressed instantly. Like we just started talking, shooting the shit. First of all, some athletes have-

In person or phone call? Can you paint the picture for us? Well, some athletes at his stature or whatever have an air about him where it's like, you're not sure you can bust balls. He could take it. You can say anything, make fun of him for anything. He'd give it back to you. Just so down to earth.

And then the story that got me was he was talking about his primetime character. And he's like, well, when I was in college, I looked at all the people getting drafted and money slots, quarterbacks and all this. He's like, no defensive back ever made money, ever got paid. So I'm like, what do I do to change this? Invent primetime, make myself. Conscious decision, genius. Create this fucking marketing thing

and it fucking worked. Like, and he's dead right. Everything he does is calculated, smart. Just he's, and he's so like wildly humble, which you wouldn't expect. And the way, you you wouldn't expect. And the way, you can bust the balls. If he loses, I could text him and be like, you fucked that play call. He's like, yeah, I know.

He comes across as one of the guys, truly. And he's had my back. If someone attacks, ass, he's like, I love him. He's straight. Honestly, I can't root for him. And I knew he would be successful. I knew that within, and when I say that as a college coach, I'm like, anybody who could sit with him and not hire him is a moron. He's perfect for this age. Really? Perfect. Yeah,

he's got insane gravity. There are some people that for whatever reason, when they talk, the world wants to know what they're saying. Whatever they're doing, the eyeballs are on him, and he's one of them. Now, obviously, this past weekend's difficult. Smoked. Did you expect this? It didn't shock me. I thought they had a chance to win, if we're being honest. But they lost Travis Hunter, and he just doesn't have the guys yet.

But it didn't shock me. Do you think that, because we all love to root for the cocky, the bravado, like everybody loves when Conor was knocking people out and being confident. And the second he stumbles, everybody kind of- So do you think that's going to happen this week with Dion? Oh, it was all a high job. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, it wasn't real.

Listen, that will come. But I guess what I'm saying about Dion, and I think he's smart enough if he's like, you know what? Me being humble and like almost deferential to other teams or whatever would help me win. He'd do that. Like he's doing what he thinks he has to do to build the best program. Yes. And it's working. Like Colorado's fucking people are going to forget that.

Colorado's horrible last year. They expected them to be 0-3 going into that game. He's already been a success no matter what happens. I mean, they were like the worst team ever last year. I'm a college football casual,

but the only college football memory I have of Colorado before this year was at Cordell Stewart Hail Mary in like 94. Yeah, right. That's all I got. Yep. In 20 years, 30 years, whatever it's been, that's it. Bill McCartney. Yeah, right. That's all I got. Yep. In 20 years, 30 years,

whatever it's been, that's it. Bill McCartney. Yeah, and even look what he does. You can tell a lot by the people who come back to support him, whether it, you know,

it could be Troy Aikman one week, and then it'll be Michael Irvin the next, and it's like, you don't find people who know him who say bad things. Like the people

he's spent a lot of time around are all uniform like yeah he's fucking the real deal do you remember watching him play yes have you seen anything like it since no he was a different guy i mean there was it's weird because i actually was more like bo jackson like bo Bo Jackson until he got hurt. I was like, I would be more like Dion can't hold Bo Jackson, jockstrap type guy as a kid. I thought Bo was... Bo was also that dude. Yeah.

You saw Bo play offense too, which is way more exciting. Bo has a trophy and to be that muscular and run like that. He was like a superhero. Yeah, it was unreal. Yeah, so for me, now you look back, but for me, it's like who is the original two sport athlete? The Bo Knows campaign, all that, it was fucking Bo Jackson.

Even the stories you'd hear about him are like, I watched that 30 for 30 on him, insane. What story? Just there was a million of them, like these crazy hero, like you just pick a baseball up and like throw it out of a field. There's that clip of him in the Royals game. He runs on the wall. Yeah, runs up the wall. Yeah, it's crazy. So, but I remember him, but I remembered him more. My memory of Deion was like very flamboyant, like flashy, kind of like talk a lot, you know, player. I didn't really know

the person as much. And I was probably on the young side, but. My roommate said it well, and this was like 15 years ago, but he said every cornerback you've seen since Dion is just doing Dion in some form or fashion. They got the long towel hanging out the back. They had for a while, they would wear that little neck headband

around the neck that Dion would wear. They're all just doing Dion. Yeah. I mean, obviously you're going to replicate the most successful person in your position. But it's just crazy that somebody who is playing defense could be the star of the team. I understand maybe a linebacker because you're sacking the quarterback. There's like this terror.

But the better corner you are, the less active you'll be in the game. Totally. And somehow we're still watching him. He did the punt returns, the dances, the videos, everything. I remember being, I grew up in Dallas. I was a Cowboy fan. Anytime Deion was back to return a punt, just so you could fit home, the whole family, this is it. Let's go.

There's that great moment when I think he's playing for the 49ers, and they're playing the Atlanta Hawks. It's the first time back in Atlanta. Sorry, sorry, the Atlanta Falcons. It's the first time back in Atlanta. Sorry, sorry, the Atlanta Falcons. His first time back in Atlanta and he gets a pick six and after the game he goes, he says,

he goes, this is always my home. Yeah. Even if I'm not playing for this team, it's my home. Something like that. It's like,

oh, what a fucking legend to do the post. Like you could go after that and be like, oh, it was so emotional to be here. No, no,

keep the character on. No, I'm a huge fan. I'll be a huge fan of his for life. Till your cornerbacks get not getting paid story. Now it's like one of the top five positions to pay in football. And you didn't even think about that until you said it. That's all back to Dion.

Yeah, and he got branding early. He's like, how do I make money? How do I get contracts like sponsorship? He got it. He got it smart. He had a shoe that was fire. Football players never have cool shoes. He actually was fire.

Too legit to quit. M&M's the hammer, right? Yeah, yeah. He's in a Brad video. That's crazy. All right. On that sports talk, it's time to lock in our entries this week with prize picks, okay? Akash, how'd you do last week with the Akash locks?

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Before we get out of here, what happens with them? Does Belichick win another ring? I can tell you I'm scarred from that game yesterday against the Jets because I thought Mack looked good, and then this coaching, I don't know what the fuck happened the second half. They won the game. It felt like a loss. The Jets are so pathetic they let him in.

I don't know what's going on. I'll say yes, but the tone of voice isn't the most convincing. You got a lot of beasts. I think Mack Jones is very good. I don't know how Jacoby Myers, we let him go to the Steelers and got Juju Smith-Schuster for the same money. That was crazy. It's been a rough patch. Having said that, if the Pagers don't win forever the rest of my life, I'll take it.

You're so blessed. What's your overall perception of Belichick post-Brady? Does that taint his legacy? As like in the coaching, not in your eyes in the coaching echelon? It doesn't to me. I get a lot of people because I really think he was largely responsible for the giant Super Bowls with the defense he had. That's right.

Like LT. So it's like he did it there. And then he never won a Super Bowl without. Correct. Yeah. And Belichick. Oh, shit. So and like if you remember, they it. did it there and then he Marcel never won a Super Bowl without Belichick yeah Belichick won without and like if you remember

no I got confused but I can see the argument I can certainly see the argument they made a mistake letting him go too early Brady like he still had years to play and then he goes and wins in Tampa so I certainly see the argument because the Patriots

haven't been very good since. Yeah. I mean, it's just. It's the greatest run in the history of sports. Yeah. The 20 year run. It's been unbelievable. But the Brady thing is so interesting.

He was on, you know, Patrick, but David. Yes. He's fantastic. And he, they did a podcast. It was kind of like live and he had Brady on and Brady was talking about this competitive. Yeah. I saw that. It was just the other day. And these clips are. Yeah, I mean he cried during the Brady six

I cried talking about six quarterbacks like on a documentary Crying that they were drafted ahead of him because he's that type of fucking like him talking about how like it was on some Jordan shit Yeah, I was the enemy and I need the anger and once I yeah once I can hate you I can get out there and be like, let's fucking go. But I love that. I love someone going out there and wanting the other team to hate them. Yeah. And thriving off of that fucking hatred.

What motivates you? Are you one of those that? Y'all, for sure. Hate. Hate is a major. Like, that is probably my fuel. Like, enemies. And would you create an enemy that may have created them?

Everywhere. But I mean like you know how Jordan would. Do you need that for motivation sometimes? Yeah, a lot. Yeah, yeah. I've always had it, so I don't know what I'd do without it. But it's always there. Like that guy Kenji, he's going on Ace of Spades bottle today.

Like no joke. Wait, why? What happened? That's the guy from the- No, I know, but what- Oh, I- Oh, you're not popping it. No, no. You Wait, why? What happened? That's the guy from the... No, I know, but what... Oh, I... Oh, you're not popping it. No, no. You're just putting him down there. He's getting it right from the bottle and we'll put it on the shelf.

No, wait. Yeah. How do you feel about Kyrie? So I have a weird relationship with him because I hate his guts. Or at least I did. So, really, when... I'm a Celtics fan. So his tenure with the Celtics-

Not the best. Not good. And then I feel like he deserved all the hate he got. I feel like he turned it into Boston's racist city. If you stomp on the leprechaun in the middle of the garden- We're gonna call you- No, can you- There's gonna be a couple of Jaro songs playing.

On repeat,. On repeat. On fucking repeat. On repeat. On repeat. No, I don't like him. But, so, and I've always said that. I think he's a team killer. I think everywhere he goes.

So I tweeted that the other day with the Mavs. I'm like, why would the Mavs trade for him? He's a certified team killer. And he killed him. Guess what? Kyrie tweeted at me, hey, fucking big mouth, why don't you play me one-on-one? So I was like, all right, motherfucker, like what? You think I, let's play one-on-one. And then it went a little deeper. I also, as a Jewish guy, I thought his whole fucking way he handled when he put up that video was awful. Put it up, fine.

Once people bring it to your attention, be like, all right, fine. I don't care. He never really took a step back from that for a long time. And I think he thought he was in the right, so he's digging his feet in. Long story short, him and I now text each other the craziest text trying to set up this one on one where he's gonna meet my family, I'm gonna meet his family, and we're gonna try to solve world peace together. But it hasn't happened.

We've been a sit down one on one or playing ball one on one? Playing ball one on one and then a sit down after, fuck no. So why would you even do it? Why do you have to lose? Oh, Kyrie. If Kyrie offers to play you one-on-one, you're going to take him up on that, but also to solve world hunger and all the other issues. He wants to come eat. He's like, we'll do it in your hometown, and then I'll come meet your parents. You'll meet mine.

Because I think there's a lot of shit. And we were supposed to do it by the end of August. It didn't happen. And then I'm like- You guys leave there like, the Jews are kind of annoying. Yeah, yeah. So I can't get a read on him. I think he may be nuts. At times, he sends paragraphs to me, like weird hours.

I mean, off the record, what does he say? You wouldn't even be able to make real sense. It's just like, he's trying to basically be like, listen, I just want peace, no hate, let's figure this out type stuff. He is, I mean, he's a genius with a basketball. His offensive game- Handles. Yeah, I mean, just one-on-one, maybe we never see anything like it. I wonder if to think that outside the box to create a game like he has, because if you just ask any basketball player, just off of offensive game,

they're going to point at Kyrie in terms of skill. Yeah, right. Yeah, a lot do. I mean, I don't know if there's one. Maybe, obviously, KD can get his shot off no matter what, but I don't think even KD would say, I'm nicer with a basketball than Kyrie in terms of just skill. Yeah, he's definitely up there. There's no doubt.

It's magic watching what he does. Steph maybe as well. But even what he does. Okay, so maybe to be that much of an outside-the-box thinker to create that game and think about the game in that way, the baggage of that is also to think about life in that way. I mean, here's the thing with a team. If you have a teammate, I assume you need to be able to depend on the guy to be on the court. And for him, I don't care what he says, you have not been able to depend on that for a whole host of reasons, whether it's he doesn't want to get the VACs. It's just always something. But Kyrie's villain arc to me is LeBron's greatest success. Yeah, seriously.

Oh, wow. I know. Well, I always hate LeBron. So I was actually pro Kyrie when before he came. I'm like, Kyrie's the one you want. He's the one that hit the shot, not you. And then when he came to Boston, it was open arms. But the thing that drives me nuts most

that's really started with kairi is he has this habit of talking about stuff and creating a story hey kevin durant you want to play together at the all-star game i'm gonna leave boston then the boston media will be like do you want to leave boss he's like why are you asking me about that because you motherfucker at the all-star game was on camera talking about it. That's who Max Lutz. So it's like you can't get mad when people ask questions. I also hate when people like don't, who take stuff away from like the fans. The fans are why all athletes are making obscene amount of money.

And to treat them with no respect, I find somehow it's sometimes tough to swallow. Take stuff away from the fans? Like when you don't appreciate. When you act as if the fans are a nuisance. Yeah, yeah. It's like they're the reason why you're able to get paid. Yeah. So obviously they shouldn't be able to say anything to a player.

Of course. But there's gonna be a certain amount of booing or cheering. If you're gonna take the max deal, you gotta know what pays for the max deal. 100%. If you took a minimum deal, I was like, yo, don't fucking talk to me, cool. No, imagine an athlete said, imagine an athlete said, I will play for, this is a max player, he goes, I'll play for $2 million a year.

Only thing I request is nobody says anything mean to me while I'm playing. To be honest, I think that would work for some people because- Boston would be silent. It would work. Silence. It would work. I mean, listen, that's no different than anything. In my company, the employees who make the most money as a boss- You expect the most. Yeah, you keep an eye. So I don't know. I get it. There's some fans go over the line. No doubt about that. But just a lack of appreciation sometimes,

as a fan, that fucking bothers me. Dave Portnoy, my friend, thank you so much for being here. Of course. Make sure you check out Barstool. Make sure you check out the next Pizza Fest. We have another one of these coming up. Definitely coming. Not scheduled yet, but there definitely will be more. Has to do it. Have to. Yeah. Raging success. And maybe traveling a bit, right? Yeah, we thought about it. Okay. Okay. They might have to And maybe traveling a bit, right? Yeah, we thought about it. Okay.

Okay. They might have to step up the pizza on the West Coast. Or we bring the, I mean. That would be nuts. Bring the Iconics. That would be sick. Bring the Iconics. How is that not like in Vegas?

Yeah, right. How is Vegas not just giving you guys the bag to bring fucking all? Yeah, I know. Okay, so check out all the things, obviously. I'm gonna go after this. I'm gonna research the chain of events for my layoffs in my own company. I'm going to fucking see how that actually went down. We bring the hard-hitting questions over here.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much, bro. It's amazing what you've fucking done. And we're going to get you out to Surf Lodge one of these days. Get a table ready. Get a table ready. I need my seat.

You know, we had the ecstasy on deck, too. We could have had a great night, bro. I knew you were on something. Before a night off. He has the day off the next day so he can sleep in. Yeah, same, same. Anyway, Portnoy, thank you so much. Love you, man.