Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Kim K says “Work Hard AND Long” | Flagrant 2 with Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

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Do you guys find it at all coincidental that all this drama is happening right around the start of their brand new show on Hulu? I didn't even think about that. Wait, are you telling me they create controversy just to get ratings? I'm just wondering because right now we're looking at it as this huge thing where Kim's being bullied and she's the victim and all this other stuff. And it's like, well, when do you start living your life online only? And then when do you stop? Because I think they were pretty much okay with Lamar Odom going through his troubles. I think they gave him the crack.

For everybody. Say again? I think they gave him the crack. Yeah, that's a hot take. That's a hot take. They might have gone that far. Is it a smoking take? Maybe.

Smoking hot? Yeah. I know. I'm just like, how bad should we feel? I don't. Yeah. I don't. This is the deal you made.

You signed up for this. You created this. And not only how bad should we feel, it don't. Yeah. I don't. This is the deal you made. You signed up for this. You created this. And not only how bad should we feel, it's like, do they want this? I think at the very least, Chris wants it. What's the mom's name?

Chris? Yeah. She wants it. She's down for all of it. Yeah. I think she loves it. Kim might feel some kind of way, but she's not going to go against her mom.

Yeah. And I think you, this is the beast you created. And now you have to deal with the consequences sometimes of your actions yeah that's just what's happening yeah you both of them i feel that way about both of them kim you married kanye do you did you expect him to not spaz out sometimes and kanye you married kim and had kids with kim did you expect her to not put her daughter's life online that's the whole model that's how you got to know her. What did you think was going to happen? Right.

Neither one of you guys thought this through, and you both seem flabbergasted that it's happening. Yeah. I wonder if they're both in on it. I hope so. I wonder if they're all in on it. I don't know what Kanye necessarily has to gain. I mean, he wants attention.

Yeah, I guess you're right. For him, it's never been negative and positive attention. Yeah, just been yeah he put on a maga hat i mean he'll definitely fight for his kids and that is why him and kim kind of are a match made in heaven because for both of them all attention is good yeah there's no negative there's no positive it's all good we win in all of it yeah maybe you're right yeah i'm just not i'm not familiar enough with like how deeply involved in in his kids lives he is And because you hear all these rumors, I hear some rumors like he's at all these games and everything like that. And he's like really part of it.

And then I hear other rumors like he was just living in Montana or Wyoming, wherever the fuck he was. Yeah. And so I'm not I don't know how intimate his involvement is. And I don't know if this is like a ploy to get public sympathy or he's truly trying to have his kids, you know, come to his events, et cetera. I don't know what to think, but we're talking about it. And maybe this is like a ploy to get public sympathy or he's truly trying to have his kids you know come to his events etc i don't know what to think but we're talking about it and maybe this is what they want and maybe they've all managed to make a lot of money off of us talking about their lives and not just us but like the world you know it's it's impressive there's a war going on and we're

talking about the real war the custody war isn't that crazy yeah that's i mean the new trailer for their show just dropped today i saw that yeah and like features all the characters and yeah it's basically like i mean this is what i guess reality tv is it's like this hybridized like social media plus like contemporary media mashup yeah probably hybridized scripted plus unscripted yeah exactly but like it doesn't only exist on like tv like it has to exist in the real world which is social media yeah if but like it doesn't only exist on like tv like it has to exist in the real world which is social media yeah if you like i think we're gonna realize like all of this shit is the way when people found out the like what was that one reality show that people found out was fake i mean they're all kind of fake but i think like the hills or something oh yeah yeah like the whole

time it was like the whole thing came off and everyone's like oh wait we thought it was real i wonder if that's gonna be like this era of social media yeah and i wonder if we'll care i mean i think people care as much as the hills and i'll be like yeah of course it's fake yeah it's on instagram duh it's fake like you know what i mean but i just think we're just bought into like the new level of like reality which is like this digital social media reality yeah yeah yeah i've been watching uh i just started drive to survive again like the new season came out on netflix it's phenomenal it's just the best show and what what is always so interesting about it to me is that like i know the outcome of these races i know the outcome of this season right a lot of

these drivers aren't even with the teams that they're on in the season anymore yet i'm still watching right and it's like why are you doing that this is our kardashians that's yeah that's you were saying and i was just like oh fuck you're right so it's like i'm reliving these moments in the same way that we relive like a super bowl like you ever see like a team after you win a super bowl you watch the documentary of the team winning the super bowl and it's just as fun it's just the most exciting parts right it's like the protein packed like the sweet the salty it's everything it's like the umami or whatever that fucking phrase is of of the super bowl and it just delivers to direct 30 60 minutes and we already know all the drama with the

kardashians this season is going to recap all the things we already know maybe it gives us a little bit more right maybe like what is the immediate reaction when kanye is acting like this etc but i mean if you think that connery kanye is going to be looked at favorably in this in this documentary or in the show you're out of your fucking mind. So maybe this is him also, like, fighting for his narrative. He hasn't mentioned that at all, though. What? Because that shit ain't out yet.

He don't know what it's going to be. He doesn't know the edit. But if you're suggesting he's working now in order to get ahead of the bad press from the story, then he would mention that and be like, guys, I'm fighting for my kids and they're trying to just get clicks and views for their show blah blah yeah like i would assume he would bring it up if he was actually trying to get ahead of and maybe he has i'm not exactly sure he alludes to it sometimes what does he say like just um the nanny is like oh the nanny is like saying bad shit about me like behind my back and like turning kim against me and like he's trying to create the narrative yeah it's like everybody's out to get me i saw something that they leaked maybe it was part of the uh maybe it was part

of the trailer but uh of kanye maybe saying some unfavorable things to kim and i think that you're gonna see a lot of that and then when couples beef there's unfavorable things said yeah if you get upset at somebody if either thing a spouse says in a fight it's like you probably haven't been in love we'd be saying some crazy shit to each other and also think about like that's what that's what you say while you still love them yeah what if they don't want to be with you anymore and they have the access to your kids yeah like people who've been divorced and like have kids understand this stuff yeah but none of us have. Imagine someone trying to take away the most important thing in your entire life. Yep. Right?

I mean, for Kanye, I guess that would be taking away music, but... I believed you. Seriously. But no, but like, that's a crazy thing. I would go crazy. I'd go temporarily insane. Yeah, but you get made fun of if you do that online, though. If you're a dude trying to get your kids back, you're just getting clowned on.

That was that dude Tyrese, that musician. Do you remember this? No. He went on live. Tyrese Gibson? Yeah, he was like, I want my kids back. And he starts crying. It became a meme.

You've probably seen the meme now. Yeah. And the meme is from the darkest moment in his life. That's what happened? His wife was trying to take his kids away something like that like i don't know the details specifically but i just know he was on live crying about like trying to get his kids back and everyone was like this fucking loser crying about his kids because i think the assumption is that we were like a piece of shit dad and now all of a sudden we want the kids when they're gone i think it's rare that we

assume a guy's the best dad in the world and then the kids are being taken away yeah i do think though you're gonna look at it differently if the if the wife is a kardashian and not that you're not there for your kids but like what you're exposing your children to like the level of attention the level of exposure you give them on purpose the level of exposure you monetize to me that shit is gross to do to a baby like y'all got enough money she don't need to be on tiktok i'm completely with yay on that what do you possibly have to gain she could get followers kylie i've heard talks about being anxious and fucking depressed and all these other things sure she got the bag but y'all got enough money for generations on end

you could actually focus on raising a healthy happy kid at this point so if i'm kanye i would be like yo take her off tiktok what the fuck is wrong with you yeah you crazy and apparently she was on tiktok saying like she fell in love with like an emo girl or something i think it's like what kanye alleged is that true it was singing the lyrics to some song i hate when you just laugh at us dog that's what kanye you don't say nothing you just laugh very condescending he said in the video he was like i don't want her talking about falling in love with an emo girl i didn't see north's actual tiktok yeah we're not watching that chifty you creep yeah i just love that earlier in the video he was like i don't want her talking about falling in love with the emo girl i didn't see north's actual tiktok yeah we're not watching that chifty you creep yeah i just love that earlier in the week though the news story was her getting blasted for making that comment about

the best advice for women is to get up and work your ass off yeah so she probably loves all this kanye stuff right now because everyone's forgetting about distracting her trash earlier kim just can't talk i think that's what happens. No matter what she says, people hate her. If she takes pictures where she looks hot, that's awesome. And then literally that's it. Outside of looking really good in pictures or showing up at events

or taking fun videos with a kid, if she offers any advice at all, it's like, you suck dick to be here. It's her version of shut up and dribble. Literally. But shut up and drool. Shut up and dribble. So it's like you suck dick to be here it's her version of shut up and dribble literally but shut up and drool shut up and dribble so it's like that's that's kind of crazy but it is true it's like we don't want any advice and we i don't care because she's right what she's saying is right it's just the wrong messenger the wrong source what do you mean like that if she gives any advice about like business work in entrepreneurship people are like yo shut up

like that if she gives any advice about like business working entrepreneurship people are like yo shut up do i think do i think it's fair yeah that people like shit on her for like work ethic and they say oh you don't know anything about work you got famous from your family and for suck a dick blah blah that's work dog you seen ray j's dick yeah that's not not work yeah yeah yeah she had to get her ass up literally that big old thing yeah yeah i don't know do i think it's fair uh like is the criticism warranted i don't know i feel like no i don't think the criticisms warrant to be she's right i mean if you ask anybody i mean charlamagne was even showing this video of oprah saying the exact same thing so it's like yeah she's saying the thing that's right but we might not want to hear it from that person and you would like a little

degree of self-awareness from her like all right look i had x y and z but i still have to do you know a b and c i still have to get up and do these things just because i got a little head start no so no matter what situation you're in you're gonna have to get up and work there's much better ways to say it if you're oprah and we know you came from like i'm pretty sure it was an abusive household like oprah came from nothing so she doesn't have to give context because you know that context yeah so she says get up and work you're like oh yeah she did it kim you know the context so you're like okay but you're acting like you grew up like oprah you did not grow up like oh someone asked a question like yeah but i wonder if it's just like we don't like self-help in general because it forces us to look in the mirror and see what we're not doing absolutely so it's like

if you are gonna give us some self-help shit like be missing a leg like have something wrong be blind and you achieve something i do with no arms tells people to work it's like hell yeah okay he's out here working like those are motivational videos because you can't say shit like there's always a video of some dude in like a war-torn country he is missing limbs and he found a way to like brush his teeth with his feet and you're just like okay if he's not complaining i shouldn't complain and i think they call it like a they call it like a cripple porn or something like that it's not uh i don't that's what they call it it's inspiration porn inspiration porn is way better yeah inspiration porn yeah and um but yeah i'm just like it's it is interesting like maybe she needs to recognize that

actually no she doesn't because it continues to make news and she's making money off of making news and keep on saying the thing i mean remember she was trying to get like she was trying to be a lawyer so she could get like black dudes out of prison yeah and like that was that wasn't even celebrated it was like all right fine it was celebrated kind of like i mean in the black community we were like all right you're finally doing something yeah but it was it wasn't like oh my god this is the best thing ever yeah but if people don't like you you can't expect them to go 180 and be like oh that's dope you can only bring them to the middle at first yeah and then if you keep doing that shit they're gonna completely come around and be like yo you

know what yeah she fucking deal she killed it we shit on her early on but people will give you that you just can't get that right away but i guess i wonder if like she can be upset about that because if you've made your money from like being beautiful and kind of saying dumb shit in the show yeah right it's not like she's philosophizing on the show and like coming up with this great life advice it's like hi i'm gonna be hot and i'm gonna say kind of dumb things with me and my sisters and joke around like and all of a sudden you start to give advice it's like hold up you branded yourself yes as the hot dumb girl yes and now you cut it who made money just being hot and dumb on tv for a decade yeah

and now you're gonna give life advice it's like pump the brakes a little bit short yeah like this is your design you have 100 control of the branding you decided to leave it in yeah when you said that thing about the jacuzzi yeah right like you decide to leave all these things in the edit you are curating this character people responding to that character is not their fault. It's your fault. You're going off brand now. Say dumb shit that's on brand. We accept that now.

We know you for that. Now when you start trying to be wise, it's like, yo, no, no. This is not the brand you've established. This is like fucking Levi selling computers or something. It's like, I'm not doing this with you you you're not the guys to do this yeah hmm so what is even trump didn't do that when he ran for president what do you mean like similar background like born into wealth has his businesses like got famous through like reality tv yeah and then ran for president and then all of a sudden switch up and be like oh you gotta treat people with respect

he just kept on being the same dude yeah yeah. And then that's what people responded to. At least there's consistency. You might not like it or agree with it, but like. Oh, you're saying he didn't try to be like a virtuous good guy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If anything, he was like, I'm not a politician. Yeah.

I'm not one of these phonies. I'm a celebrity. Like I'm a reality TV show guy. Kim should say, look hot. And if you don't carve your face until you do. And you will make tons of money because of it. Yes. I mean, isn't that crazy?

It's that simple. Dude, I posted a picture on Instagram of me shirtless. Yeah. That was a great pic. It's a phenomenal pic. I'm eating a king cake. It was some fun content. I just want to point out something.

Here, I'm going to pull it up right here. Half a million people, over half a million people it reached, right? You know what I'm calling this. Infamous tour update. Important news. We added a second show in New York City, Radio City Music Hall. Okay, very excited about this. It is a 10 p.m. start time. So all you Jews that had

your fucking Seder that you had to go to because it's the second day of Passover. How many fucking days do we need a Passover? Okay. This, you have a nice tight Seder, small, tight Seder. You're going to be with your family the whole fucking time. Anyway, you're going to get tired of them. You shut it down. You have an hour Seder. You leave, and we'll see you at that 10 p.m. show. Okay? And for everybody who didn't want to go to a show with tons of Jews, we have the first show. Okay?

There's really no tickets left for that one, but maybe you already gobbled all those tickets up. Okay? So if you want super Jew-y show, you come to the second one, and you want the really fun show, you go to the first one. No. Yeah, so second show up now go get those tickets as soon as you can because they will be gone um also this weekend we're coming to cleveland or no next weekend cleveland pittsburgh and uh montreal after that very excited very excited vancouver we're closing out the show AC I think

sold out thank you guys so much I think we got like 8 or 9 total shows left for the Infamous Tour never be performed again

so if you want to check out the Infamous Tour make sure you come to one of those dates and Akash what you got first of all

let me just say Andrew's very excited to be coming to Cleveland he can't wait next weekend no this weekend, guys. I'm in San Antonio at LOL Comedy Club, the 18th through the 20th, Friday through Sunday.

Bring that ass through the week after, April 1st and 2nd, Toledo, Ohio. I'm coming to Ohio. Funny bone. Come, please, for the love of God, so I don't kill myself. Worst weekend I ever did in my life was Toledo, Ohio. Let did a sunday show at toledo i have a feeling that sunday show oh yeah yeah i have not done a sunday show since yo i swear to god i'm not doing any more sunday i swear to god i looked at this and i said why am i doing a sunday in toledo this is the last sunday show i ever do no so if you guys wantedo? This is the last Sunday show I ever do.

No. So if you guys want to come to the last Sunday show I ever do in my life, Toledo, Ohio, Funny Bone. Also, April 8th and 9th, Tampa Improv. That's a nice city. We'll have fun there. And April 22nd and 23rd, Toronto. Hurry up.

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get back to this over half a million people over half a million people i just took my clothes off and half a minute and posted online. And I'm not beautifully carved into the perfect physical specimen. Don't say that, bro. Don't say that. Bro, you got a nice little body. No, no, no, no, no. No, let him get to his point. No, no, no, no.

That's an important point he's making. Don't cut it off with jokes. Thank you. I noticed I like that shit. Good for me. So what I'm trying to say is I just got naked and the amount of engagement that I got was unbelievable. And I don't even have the perfectly desired body for Instagram.

I have majority male followers. And it's just so salacious that I'm naked that over half a million people liked, engaged, interacted with this post. Don't ever tell me about hard work ever again. Don't ever fucking mention hard work ever again. There is a Down syndrome model for victoria's secret the job is so easy sexy the job is so easy sexy whatever you know i'm saying that that you literally don't need what how doousin. You could be family. Exactly.

Stop it with the hard work. Stop it with the hard work. Was this as much work as one of your standup clips that you sit there and edit maniacally? Fuck edit. 15 years being able to think of these things in the moment, come up with these ideas, be witty, interact with an audience, know how to push the limit. Like my whole craft. Naked on a bed with cake over my dick hard work get to work guys hey you want to be successful work your ass off out there

right i get the frustration i get the frustration right what a dumb bitch. Yeah. Like... That really put into perspective. People don't work hard enough because of you. Because of you. They don't work hard. They see someone do nothing and become a billionaire. They see someone just fatten their lips, fatten their ass, fatten their tits, and they become a billionaire. That's why they don't work hard.

Oh my God. Do you know what I mean? Lance Armstrong had us on a bike. With one nut. Yeah, everybody with cancer bought a bike that year. Because of Lance Armstrong, you could pedal away your fucking leukemia. How amazing would that be? And we got mad at him for taking steroids with cancer.

With cancer? We're like, bro, he's risking his life even more for this. And we're mad at him. Yep. Because you didn't work hard the honest way. Come on, bro. And Kim did the honest way. Come on.

Nothing about her life has been honest. The Rock is in the gym every night. Every night. Showing me his palms. Wait, what? I have a palm check with him every week. If I see his fucking scabs, I know he's been in the gym. Let me see a fucking palm check, Kim.

Yeah. Are they saliva filled? Let me see a palm. No, no. Of course she's going to work hard. Of course she's going to hustle. But it's a different type of work hard and hustle. It's a different level of it.

Even where we are in the game right now we're working fucking hard 16 hour days all this etc but i still get to show up to the venue and there's coconut water because i put on the rider i want coconut water yeah right like that it's a different level yeah we're working our ass off it's different than somebody like picking up logs people are doing construction and they work hard. Hard. They really work hard. And some of them don't sit around all fucking day. Union.

That's some Yankee shit, bro. We think all construction workers work hard. What about the guy who just stands by the shit that says don't cross? The mafia friend. That ain't that hard work. Not everyone. The Mexican motherfuckers not on the books. Union Free South? Okay. They need lozenges and shit they need water stay hydrated you know what i mean the weather changes you were prepared for overcoat and all of a sudden it's fucking sundresses

you gotta switch your whole shit up yeah it's a hard work yeah it's hard work for them i guess everybody works hard do you know yeah what the hell just happened to your point i don't know you just you had a great point about kim not working hard and then he made it everybody works hard yeah i guess i guess what the hell happened yeah he had all his momentum yeah well i was being sarcastic with the construction worker pay attention this fucking idiot tapped out of our discussion about construction he's not paying attention construction workers. I guess everybody works hard. He's angry at me

that he's not paying attention to sarcasm. Do I have shitty deluge? I guess not. I guess everybody works hard. Stop being so sincere. We weren't. We're being sarcastic.

Explain it to him, Alex. He's being sarcastic. I don't get it. I know, because you weren't listening. Oh, I was listening. Okay. I was waiting for more Kardashian hate.

Point is, point is, is you created this idea that you could be famous from nothing. Not just you. There are plenty of people before her that did it. There are plenty of people that do it just right now. 100%. But we don't exactly live in the work hard, you become famous era of American society.

And who's to blame for that? I don't know. I'm not going to put it all on the Kardashians. You could put it on social media and the fact that it looks so easy to become a millionaire billionaire whatever but they definitely play a part in it so some acknowledgement of that yeah would be nice right yeah it's funny watching her turn into an old white man isn't it go go go watching all these groups that think they're marginalized not even just like women in general white women whatever as soon as someone

gets successful all of a sudden it's man all you gotta do is work your fucking ass off why that is i realize why that is there's a selfishness by the boots no but for real there's a selfishness because none of us want to discredit our own success so if we say you have to work hard it implies that we are here because of our hard work right right yeah and that's the only thing that's separating you from success is hard work. Yeah. Right?

That's our advice. Now, 100% working hard is going to get you more success from where you are. Right. If you're working at like a 70% and you bump it to a 90, you're going to have more. You're going to have more at your job. You're going to have more at your business.

You're going to have more in your relationship. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm sure, I i mean you can speak on this you you put work into yourself yeah to be better and it worked yep 100 it was amazing yeah so it's like that is gonna work but you don't want to hear that from everybody yeah and it's also though when you're successful it's like look i do work hard but also you gave me a lot of opportunities you can't both just exist like isn't there that saying that uh luck is when opportunity and hard work meet yeah it's impossible to have context

with it and fuck i remember fresh prince line has stuck with me forever uncle phil said to will people open doors for me it doesn't make you any less of a man to walk through them all of you are going to get that opportunity or hopefully all of you and if you work hard you will get there yeah that's what we all get opportunity we all have luck you got help from charlemagne i got all the help in the world from you that's what i say to uh to comics all the time is like if you work hard you're gonna get your shot yeah everybody gets a shot that's good and i mean that sincerely everybody that's good gets a shot and you get good by working hard yeah so everybody that works hard gets a shot

what you do with that shot is up to you right right you know i got a really cool opportunity do a podcast with charlamagne if i didn't work hard and i wasn't funny i wouldn't have that opportunity busted your ass more than anybody i know charlamagne got a great opportunity working with wendy williams right and he busted his ass and he made something out of that opportunity so everybody's gonna what are you gonna do with that yeah right kim got her shot in a different way but she milked that bitch literally she did and then turned it into something else that's 100 it's just so easy to offer the work hard advice i get the resentment especially coming from them yes 100 i just think it lacks a certain self-awareness when all you say is get your ass up and work nobody wants to work anymore yeah it's like i don't think you can

say that without context exactly a guy from nothing even jay-z saying that you'd be like you know what fair enough yeah this guy went from fucking selling crack on a corner to a billionaire he also had like a god-given talent that's the other part that like people don't recognize like if lebron james works hard he's gonna do a lot more than if i work hard trying to become a basketball player yeah like he just has this natural ability which is kind of luck yeah it's a blessing but he's also if you i believe if you put that guy in a middle class family he's still at least worth a hundred million dollars because he's just a fucking brilliant guy yeah you know what i mean but like what gives you brilliance like it's part of your upbringing but it's also like you're just natural iq that you're born with

also your skill being valued by the public that is big you can be the best rapper in the world at a time where like nobody's really listening like there's probably a like a ska musician right now it's the best ska musician ever but because ska is not having like a moment right now then he's not going to be as you know financially successful as a juggler in the world is making that 60k kim k was no but yeah 100 so it's like hoping that your God-given talent meets a society that values it. Yeah.

And you work on your ass off in it. Yes, there's a bunch of things that, you know, circulate around success. Yeah. Luck being one of them and talent being another. But I think we can all agree that working hard in no matter what it is, is going to give you an advantage at least over those that don't work as that working hard and no matter what it is yeah is

going to give you an advantage at least over those that don't work as hard yeah no matter what the field so it's the right thing it's the advice we would give anybody it'll move them from your starting block 100 but think how much more eloquently that was said then get your ass up and do the fucking work what if she said what if she literally came up there she was like listen we all know how i got here like what if she started with that we all know how I got here. Like, what if she started with that? We all know what started. We all know what gave me my shot. But, but, hard work is what kept me here for the next 15 years or whatever it was.

If she said that, that little disclaimer, every girl would be out sucking dick. Low key, maybe not the best thing. Best thing to happen to black dudes in American history. She just got them all out of prison. Yeah. All right. Now, not to belabor the point,

but just briefly, is there any part of you that's happy that Pete's finally firing back? That he's like fighting back against Kanye? I don't know. I don't know what he said

that was so disrespectful. Okay. Yo, I honestly, yeah, I thought there was one line of disrespect i thought that was it listen you got three options when a guy asks where are you you could ignore his question which is rude you could lie to him which is really fucked up or you could just be honest he chose the most honorable option honesty and in case you don't believe me here's

proof just so you know i'm an honest man so specific you know what i mean like yeah it's it's wild but like it's wild but at the same time it's like did you not think that he's smashing your wife like why you gotta tell him though i think this is a man of honor like we know what time it is okay maybe i'm biased because i've known this kid since he was 16 but i feel like he's an honorable kid he asked me a question i gave him the most honest answer i could give him where are you right now he said right now he didn't say in life he said right now he wanted specifics yeah so i tell you where i am right now i am in bed with your wife like in fairness kanye did kill him like two weeks ago in a music video so like his retaliation i'm like

yeah i get it yeah what do you think at the? At the same time, it's like, ugh. It was a fucking music video. Yeah, but still, someone killed you in a music video. He's making videos, too, probably. That's not boring to him. What's the difference here, guys? What do you think, Al? No, I think Kanye is just the biggest hypocrite.

It's like, he's been taking shots at Pete for the longest, and now he wants to play victim that Pete shoots back and so I think it's just really corny of Kanye to go about it that route like like keep the same energy that you came with so now Pete's talking back like all right let's take it there now yeah he is doing exactly what you said he would do he's skeeting yeah well yeah he should he should take it there yeah yeah I don't know yeah i guess i have one thing in the picture is one thing but i thought he was pretty reasonable and the rest of the things he was saying yeah yeah the rest of it's like he was he was texting like he knew it was going to

be on social media yeah which you should i think he i think he was texting like he realized midway through it was gonna be on social media like it switched up yeah like he realized midway through it was going to be on social media. Like it switched up. He posted it. Pete posted it. Like through his buddy. But it wasn't Kanye that posted it. Oh, that's why. Yeah, because Pete's texts are blue. Yeah, exactly. It's Pete's writing partner that posted it on his Instagram. Oh, shout out to Dave. I think it's him.

I'm not sure exactly. But he basically acts as like an intermediary between what Pete wants to put out. And Pete knew that it was going to get posted. And all his texts are blue. And so he was like very specific with what he said and in fairness kanye actually comes off decent in it too like i don't think he comes off crazy he's like yeah meet me here blah blah blah like for kanye he didn't know it was going to be public but yet he sounded diplomatic too so pete put it out Yeah. That's also important to know. Because it's like, of course, you're going to put out.

You deserve to slap back because you haven't said anything. So you have every right to clap back. The posting, I'm with your wife, I'm posting in bed. Completely understandable, reasonable, justified. And then you make it look nice with all the, I go through mental health too, and help you out blah blah but it still is marketing right it's not like i really want to help is it possible have you ever said some crazy shit and then pulled off of it because you're like i feel bad yeah so maybe that's just maybe that's what it is yeah yeah what people are not listening to that just got cut out of the episode but uh but yeah i don't know i think he said the right thing

and i think it's good uh pr yeah oh yeah it's good pr it's good pr for sure i didn't know it came from him yeah i thought kanye leaked it but that's right. If the text is blue, then it's on his side. Kanye also doesn't sound crazy. So part of me is like, do they both know this is going to go out? At what point? Kanye sounds like he wants Pete to just show up to his event to make a whole thing out of it. That's what it sounds like. It doesn't sound crazy or not crazy.

It sounds like he just wants to continue to buzz. What would be better than him showing up to Sunday service and them hashing it out there oh i figured he just wants him to show up so he could fight him but he just doesn't want to do any work to go out of his way to have to fight he ain't fighting him bro i mean he would he was staying i honestly think he would where what in the text bhh yeah pete pete that's the that's where pete's staying the part you respect the most after in bed with your wife is yo here's where i'm staying come see me man to man beverly hills hotel he said like i'm here yeah come through and then kanye's like come to sunday service he's like we don't need all

those people which makes him look like he's down he'd be ready to be ready to go even if he's not leaking those texts makes you look like you are and then all the disrespect that you've received makes it seem like you're down to fight or whatever so you look at him a little bit more like oh shit hmm hmm hmm i don't know i could care less there's there's a after watching half of the kanye doc i don't know if if Kanye is any different now than he used to be. You think so? Honestly, I don't know. I think this is just Kanye doing Kanye. Really?

Yeah. I think he's very different than he was. Keep in mind, this is the Kanye. His mom hasn't died yet. Are you done with episode two? I think I finished episode two. I'm into three a little bit. When he was calling Cootie chique yeah and he's drunk yeah and he's drunk wild uh but like yeah i don't know it just seems like it seems like you see a flip as soon as he gets success

yeah like there was a moment and i'm saying from then to now i don't see much difference from that midway through episode three yeah end of episode two and i, and I haven't done three yet because it was weird. End of episode two, you see that moment where he's successful, and then it seems like, oh, he's coming. You haven't finished three yet? No. No. What? No, right?

Not finished three. Remember I said that shit was mid, and y'all jumped all over me, and y'all haven't even finished the fucking thing? It was fire. Y'all was stroking like crazy. Y'all haven't even finished the thing. I finished all three. We're trying to savor it. Stupid. Y'all haven't even finished the thing. I finished all three. We're trying to savor it. Y'all were killing me

because I didn't finish it and I thought it was mad and you thought it was some crazy hot take. It's a fine wine. Y'all were killing me. I haven't. You know what I mean?

I've been working. Yeah. No, you're right. Get your ass up and do the work. We're busy, bro. We're busy, bro. I'm gay.

Get your ass up and do the work. Nobody wants to fucking work hard anymore no problem okay um can we talk about juicy yeah let's talk about something interesting that was disappointing man who jesse yeah man just telling us you're not suicidal like that like come on bro kill yourself please. I had enough. You're done? I had enough. He faked a hate crime. He didn't kill someone.

I wish he had really committed suicide. How about that? I had enough of this guy. I mean, that would be kind of fire. Yeah, right? Yeah. Do something. I mean, it would be kind of fire.

Say I'm not suicidal, like the government's going to take you out. Yeah, they're arrogant. Are you fucking kidding me, bro? Yeah. You're a a threat to nothing he could be as big as epstein maybe in some in some abstract way i'm sure he could connect a few dots you know he's confident he's a confident guy yeah he is he's a confident guy he is bro he planned this whole fucking elaborate bullshit and really thought he was gonna get away with it yeah but he could have though i feel like it'd be so easy to get away with yeah i feel like it was shoddily done it was right like how easy it is to get away with a hate crime probably pretty easy yeah like

just i mean the way that he designed it was horrible yeah just actually get beat up it was during a winter vortex yeah in chicago yeah like he like he said it was like maga guys that came up to him and then the two guys that he actually paid to do it he like he said it was like maga guys that came up to him and then the two guys that he actually paid to do it he like paid them with a personal check yeah like he like left a paper trip like it was just horrendous yeah i think he himself or no they went to the hardware store to go get it yeah to go get this stuff and also the bleach thing like everything like clearly he hasn't studied hate crime enough because like white people aren't trying to make black people white yeah like the bleach thing doesn't make sense like that's not like racist white people's dream they're not like seeing

black people and they're like how can we make them white right it right like so you're not also like just pouring bleach that you have to worry about it getting on you and it's just like it's just messy it's like super messy right like everything about it poorly designed uh the fact that when the cops come like he still has the noose on like you wouldn't take that off first like like you get home from a long day of work immediately you loosen the tie right i'd watch my dad do it every single day working hard every single day come back loosen the tie maybe take the tie off yeah you're at a wedding first thing ties loosened right fraternity party the tie is on for some event and immediately it's around your head or

something like that but he's still got the fucking and immediately it's around your head or something like that. But he's still got the fucking tie on. He's still in the bleach. Everything about it was so poorly planned. And the guy's been in Hollywood. That's what I assume, though. I think he's a good actor and I think the best actors

think their whole life's a movie. Oh, I'm with you on this. I think he still is in it. He's in his soap opera. That's what I mean. What makes him a good actor is the fact that he believes that he's the main character in life nobody yelled cut i bet if you just yell cut i bet if lee daniels comes in and just goes cut immediately he goes okay and then yeah okay okay that was great uh judge you did you were really yeah yeah he's so locked in anchorman yeah he is and then

you say action and he's just i'm ready to go again i did not do this i respect you i respect you judge but i am not suicidal what does that mean what does that even mean i love it i respect you i respect your decision but i'm not suicidal i'm rooting for him yep all of a sudden i'm starting to fucking root for him yes and i'm like what lies do we tell ourselves kim thinks she works hard and she believes it why can't he believe he didn't do that how many things do we just believe oh yeah you told me that's actually a very helpful trick i started doing that what's that you said just tell yourself what happened in the past and then create a new reality and then that's and then believe it yep that works uh-huh 100 that's just fire dude mark thought i lied to him about a kid having cancer

dude this kid is fucking warped it was a perfect story it was a perfect story dude all right so basically i was telling shoals i was having a really bad week i was telling some of you guys and i was really going through it i was having a hard time i was like man i just don't know you know my purpose in life blah blah blah and he was like mark you want to know what your purpose is i was just just today i was in soho with dove i didn't say we want to know your purpose but i said let me tell you something that happened today can you let him tell his story and i'm at this coffee shop with dove and and this little kid he runs up to me he's you know 13 years old he is he says andrew andrew schultz i just beat cancer and i was listening to flagrant 2 the whole time and

i'm so grateful that you guys make me laugh thank you so much and then he flew away like a dove i didn't say that and i dropped my knees i cried i converted christianity i said thank you jesus let me bask in your light that's what he said that was the whole story but no it was just the first part of the story but i heard it and i was like wow that's an amazing story thank you so much for telling me and i was thinking about later i was like that's such a perfect story that's an amazing story. Thank you so much for telling me. And I was thinking about it later. I was like, that's such a perfect story. That's an amazing story. What would you tell your buddy that's like having a hard time? Wouldn't it be more perfect

if it happened to you, dickhead? What do you mean? But it didn't happen to me. That's my point. Do you remember the kid? Come on. Are you kidding me?

You're being a dickhead right now. Are you kidding me? You're being a dickhead. I told you this yesterday and you were like, you're being a dickhead right now. I told you this yesterday and you were like,

no, it's true. You're being a dickhead. Are you kidding me? It yesterday and you were like, no, it's true. You're being a dickhead. Are you kidding me? It was fake? Listen, Ben right now, who's listening? Ben. Is it real or is it fake? Ben, and you were with a woman.

I don't know if she was your mom. I don't know who she was, but you came up to me outside of Ame. This is when we went to Ame the other day. What did he look like? What did Ben look like? And there was a kid that came up to me. Come on.

Thank you. Except I didn't hear what he said. I was focused on a girl in line. Fair enough. But you focused on his mom? No, no, this is true. He was a kid. He came up and he said, listen to Flagrant 2 and he watched the clips and it was all throughout the time he was in the hospital. I think he said he was in the hospital

for three years and we really kept his spirits up and he just recently was announced as cancer free. Teenager. And that's a beautiful thing. Why don't you believe him? It was just such a perfect story. You're going through a hard time, and you call up your buddy,

he's like, well, you know, you actually... What a dick. I'm just saying, it was a perfect story. It was a perfect story. He's trying to help you out. He thinks I'm a liar. You deserve to be sad that week, dude. Piece of shit.

I'm trying to give you some light to bask in. It was an amazing story. Yeah, life is about stories, Bible boy. You know what I mean? You're like, fucking A. You know what I mean? Fucking A. You believe those stories. That one's completely plausible.

You didn't write it down. Say again? You didn't write it down. How do you know I didn't write it down? I guess, no, you didn't write it down. No, you told it to me on the phone. Yeah, the original Bible wasn't written down. Yeah. Right?

It was motherfuckers talking all day. Yeah, oral history. I don't know. That's dicey. All I'm saying is that's a real story. Ben, DM Mark to let him know. Shout out to you, Ben. I appreciate you. you thank you for listening i'm glad we could help you through that difficult time yeah now what did that have to do with what we were talking about

i forget oh did you fake the i love crime i fake a love crime yeah the opposite no i didn't fake a love crime i didn't fake it was a nigerian man that came up to you and he was like hey man i love flaker 2 i have cancer i love flaker 2. I have cancer. I love Flaker 2. Only you specifically. Nobody else in the show. Just you. Ben will be 50 bucks. We lie to ourselves all the time.

And we believe these lies all the time. And it's easier to believe them. Weapons of mass destruction. Yes. Is that not worse than Jussie? Is that not worse than Jussie? Slightly worse. Slightly worse. Yeah.

Nobody died with Jussie. Jussie did it to himself. It was a self-inflicted But he almost let two dudes go to jail. Say again? Like, I'm pretty sure he had to go to jail.

They were gonna go to jail eventually. Wait, what? Wait, what? Not the Nigerians. Wait, what happened? Not the Nigerians. Oh, what?

These other guys, they like, he had to do like a lineup and pick people out. And he was like, I think it think it was them yo they deserve to be in jail why because they were in on it they too fake to hate crime just random people other white people hey you know what isn't it time white people took the fall for something black people did hey that's the justice system working this way that's the oj but the other way. That's the OJ, but the other way. Yes. Wait a minute. Isn't that happening right now?

How so? Ukraine. What do black people have to do with that? Hold on. Obama didn't do shit when Russia went to Crimea. Pussy ass. Okay. Pussy ass Obama.

Pussy ass Obama didn't do shit when Russia busted down the doors in Crimea. If Obama was harder on him. Yeah. If Obama lit it up, we wouldn't be in this situation right now. You know what I mean? Matter of fact, Trump pussy too for not doing something. Step it up. Trump with all that tough talk, why don't you snatch back Crimea?

Oh. Yeah. Okay. I wonder if there's more geopolitical layers to that. Fuck layers. Yeah, fuck layers, right? Fuck layer thinking. America is pussy right now and no countries respect us and it's driving me fucking crazy and if i was close to that button someone's getting nuked yeah that's why you're

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Okay. But again, I don't know if that's exactly what's happening. We need a geopolitical expert on the podcast who might also be able to build anything. So we have a diy expert and a geopolitical expert we have a good friend of ours and if he was only here with us right now we could probably get to the bottom of this whole russian situation uh about america being kind of pussy and nobody respecting us on the global uh front we have ben uyeda with us right now everybody magically in place the genius of editing uh talk to us are we pussy or do we just have way more to lose than everyone else i mean i look at like russia's economy they don't even make what california makes our most socialist state makes more money than that entire socialist country okay so they have nothing to lose you're right like i got in fights when i was in my teens and

20s i didn't have anything to lose i couldn't get sued or if i did it's like good luck suing me for what like american eagle torn jeans but when it comes to now it's like we have a lot to lose economically russia doesn't this is all they do they got military they don't make anything they got oil and military okay fair enough i think that makes perfect sense but why does it seem like countries aren't respecting us right now and what i mean countries are respecting us you have like iran shoot some missiles at the u.s consulate but it's not exactly u.s consulate it's like territory in kurdistan that the u.s consulate occupies apparently it was like some retaliatory shit to i guess an israeli mission where they took out a few colonels uh in syria then you have like india just straight up doing a deal with uh russia

for oil not even considering how we might feel about that you got um i got who else what else i mean there's a few oh dubai saudi arabia not even answering the phone like i think they look at us like a rich kid that doesn't quite deserve what they have, but they still don't want to get too offensive because we won't invite them to the party. They still all are interdependent with our economy. So they're kind of like, we'll kind of disrespect you and undermine your success and kind of be like, oh, it's not just a bunch of cowboys, immature, can't handle COVID, make fun of our presidents, all that kind of stuff. But they still all know that we drive the needle globally in terms of the economy. But they're not acting like it. Yeah. But I also look like what they say and whose calls they take as our leadership,

it doesn't really matter. They kind of know what we're going to do. But I think here's what I think is really interesting is like watching how we're kind of going with this kind of economic warfare sanctions, right? I think we just call it like economic war. I kind of think that's really smart, regardless of the mechanisms that are done. Because if you look at like the size of the war chest, and who can, who has way more chips on the table, we can play with a lot more chips against Russia economically, when it comes to anything military, weapons to weapons, we're kind of, the gunfight kind of evens it all out once it comes to nukes.

So I like us playing where we have a huge strategic advantage. The question is, though, it's like, why do we still need oil? That's the only thing that... That's what I'm trying to figure out. Right. Wait, what do you mean? Why do we need oil?

Because shit runs on oil. The whole world runs on oil. It doesn't have to. For the immediate future, it does. Let's say in 10 years, we could get all these buildings and everything to not rely on it. But like this building right now, we need some fucking oil. Right. But let's also look like 10 to 20 years in the past and who was sort of pushing against sort of going to renewable electric vehicles and all these things too.

They were pushing us towards less freedom. It's funny that like the political spectrum that always talks about freedom loves to be dependent globally on things like oil. And it seems a little bit hypocritical to talk about freedom and not talk about sort of the economic requirements of freedom. You're saying like conservatives talk a lot about freedom, but their policies lend us to a reliance on certain countries that we might not be allies with. Right, and don't get me wrong. Like the left wing of the party or the left end of the spectrum is equally to blame.

They kind of shut down a lot of things like nuclear energy that would have pushed us towards energy independence a lot faster. Look at sort of like Germany versus France right now. I think that's like a really interesting dynamic. France sort of went all in on nuclear a while ago and has much more energy independence than Germany. So Germany's forced into these really bad ideological positions because of their dependence on energy. So I think those are sort of the interesting sort of takeaways. But the whole kind of like – Germany is fine with nuclear energy.

They just don't want to be on their territory. Yeah. That's their fraudulence. They're like, we're not going to do it. We're not going to build any power plants, but we're going to use the nuclear energy of the people around us. So it's still nuclear energy. Yeah.

But I don't like the talking tough thing. It's so easy to be tough when you have nothing to lose. When I look at the people that pick fights, they're people with nothing to lose. Reputation is a lot to lose. Yeah. The fact that two countries, or at least Saudi Arabia, number one, should be answering our call every single time we call. I mean, there should be a specific ringtone that's just the United States of America. And they pick up and immediately go, thank you so much for our existence. We really appreciate you making it so that nobody comes and invades us and taking all this valuable oil. We really thank you so much.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. What can I help you with? That's how they should answer the phone. Every single time. In perfect English. There is no way. There's no way that communication isn't really happening though

so that's the other thing okay maybe there's like a posturing it's all posturing netflix calls you you're gonna take it you might just like let it ring a few times interesting interesting okay okay okay so you're saying that they're putting out propaganda that we're not back channel conversation having back channel conversations with the United States from America right now. Put it this way. There's no major platform that you're not taking the call from. Doesn't mean you're going to go with them.

Doesn't mean you're going to like not play a little bit coy. Comedy Central wouldn't take the call. Yeah. Comedy Central can't pay their phone bill. What are you talking about? So I don't know. Like, again, like I don't worry about those things. I worry about one i don't want

nuclear war to happen because that erases all progress that all of us is made individually collectively everything down to zero everyone loses there are no winners in sort of nuclear war yo yeah we won last nuclear war i'm kind of with that it kind of depends who drops it yeah and then everything worked out great. Nuclear war's been great for us. You know what I'm saying? Like, for us. That shut everybody down.

I don't know how the war was going. We've been on both sides of nuclear war. We have a real half-Japanese person here. Someone who's been on both sides and literally... Worked out for y'all, too. Hold on. We have a real half-Japanese person here. Someone who's been on both sides and literally... Worked out for y'all too. Hold on. Let him get there.

Half the family was locked up in concentration camps here in the U.S. After they dropped the nuke, they probably let him out. So, no. Look, the Japanese Empire was not going to quit that war. They were going to fight it down to the last thing. And so that's why it seemed like it was dropped. But here's the thing. If Russia gets any off, right?

Like one nuke lands on US soil. What do you think happens to the stock market the next day? What do you think happens to a couple hundred million people? Opportunity. All those things. Opportunity. This guy's crazy. We have too much to lose.

And I think that's why we're like playing it like really slow and conservative. But that's that's kind of what getting older and being mature is, is you get more cautious because you have real stakes to lose. Like if you were in your 20s, you'd be doing that like Jake and Logan Paul kind of boxing shit. You'd be like, I got a little bit. I could do this. But now you're like, I could do it. but you're not going to right you it depends the money proportionate to what it used to be able to do yeah but more money is impressive to me now at an older age where i'm more successful than when i was younger yeah so that's just a function of success not age yeah but it's like my whole thing is like we have the like if California, Texas and New York

State all have economies like equal to Russia. Why do we have to go all in on one hand with them? Yeah, I guess I would just like our geopolitical posturing to be a little bit better because we do all this shit where we're like, oh, we're supporting Ukraine and we're here for Ukraine and we're posting the flags and we're doing there's all this propaganda we're putting out about how much we're there for ukraine and it's like we're blocking the fighter jets that poland said that they were going to give we're not actually giving that much support i understand they're like sending some troops out there but like so far a lot of the

technology they've been using to thwart these Russian attacks has come from Turkey. Like the drones, other like anti-tank, I don't know what they're called, bazookas or some shit? Javelins. So it's like, where are we supporting? Show me where we're supporting, besides posting shit on Twitter. Why are we so pussy to support? What has the Russian ruble been doing? I think that's showing support. It's causing them to economically tank.

But they're not shooting rubles at them. are the two what are the two best things russia is good at making a supposedly having a really big military and exporting oil so natural resources my thoughts if you're in a game against somebody else you hit them where what you take away what they're actually good at and if they don't got anything bill. Bill Belichick defense. Yeah. So it's like, I don't know, like, let's focus on our energy independence, decouple our economy from things that we can't produce. And that might mean like sort of upping American sort of natural gas production. In the meantime, no problems with that whatsoever. Like, yeah, let's do a little more fracking just to get through this.

But long term, let's be energy independent. Let's do a little more fracking just to get through this. But long term, let's be energy independent. And then if the two things they do are military and oil, let's just beat them at both of those things. And so economically, they're nothing. They're tiny. But so far, we can't get our supposed friends and allies to create more. What is it called? I can't get this right.

Produce more oil increase production of oil what is that what is that term i think oh and yeah so we can't get them we they won't even pick up the phone right now we have to call people who are beefing with we got to call iran we got to call venezuela and we go oh we're so sorry we'd love it if you could please increase oil production so it becomes cheaper so it's like we can't even flex on the people who are supposed to be on our side. They're not looking out for us. So where is our power? I'm so- We didn't listen to the people that were talking about this decades ago. So it might just make sense to listen to some of those people now. It doesn't mean they will be completely right. But it's not like we ever had a situation where we thought like, hey,

we're on great terms with the Middle East and great terms with Russia. Let's keep making our economy tied to them. We could have avoided this, but we didn't. And we so focus on our own little infighting and pettiness. And then on the left, we get so tied up in the symbolic nature of environmentalism that we lose the bigger picture. But the part that I think where the left and right can really come together is. yeah and and you know i'm really curious to see how the ford electric truck does right yeah because like big trucks are like the kind of vehicle go-to vehicle for conservative people

and electric vehicles are kind of like this hallmark that shows that we're progressing away from this thing so it's like the ford 150 like electric truck if that does well like kind of like can't we all be happy and then maybe we do a little bit of like more fracking but we also do some nuclear plants and a lot of solar and all that this is working away from all of this this is working out perfect for electric truck or car companies because now there was this like if you had an electric car there's this like a sentiment that it's pussy a little bit. It's pussy.

I don't want to say anti-American. But the Prius had like a political agenda with it. It wasn't electric, but like, or it wasn't purely electric, I guess. But like when you saw someone driving a Prius. It's like a liberal car. It's a liberal machine. It had an identity attached to it. Yes.

You listen to NPR. Yes. You live in a city. You're conscious about the environment and intruding on others. Very collectivist. Now having an electric car is a conservative virtue because you're taking money out of the Russian war effort. It could be. Potentially.

But it could be marketed as such. You go, hey, you want to hurt Russia? Don't drive that V8 and use all that Russian oil and fill up your car, your truck every single day with that Russian oil and support the oppression of the Ukrainian people, get an electric car. Yeah. And we can even go farther and say like, which is a very economically for individual finance conservative point of view,

where it's like you should own your own energy source. Put some solar panels on your house. Put that into your mortgage. Suddenly, the interest on your mortgage rate is tax deductible you can basically own your own gas station fuel up your own car and turn what was and increase the value of your home all in one like that sounds like super kind of like prepper financially conservative save your money spend responsibly take control of your own sort of uh things or produce your own

things that you need. All of that seems like it could be this real kind of middle of the road position that all the sides here want that also sort of make the country a little bit stronger. And it doesn't actually hurt the oil manufacturers here because we're just going to shift our reliance to them 100%. So it's going to increase the amount that they make. And then we subsidize the rest of it with eco-friendly options. Yeah. We also kind of saw during the pandemic too, where we realized we are a little bit too dependent on manufacturing for masks

and all this kind of personal protection equipment. And so a lot of that's sort of been coming a little bit back slowly and surely to the U S we're also seeing with like supply chain. And I'm seeing this in my business is that used to be all like the components for the home. More of them were manufactured in China or Vietnam with the sort of supply chain problems. Everything takes longer to get here to order windows that are manufactured

over there is taking like five or six months. So it's making manufacturing in the U.S. more viable. So during the pandemic, me and my partners kind of invested in more U.S. manufacturing things. And it's really kind of an exciting thing. I think that's the silver lining to all of these things is it really exposes where our weakness is. Like when you lose at something, you see where you're weak. And then you can kind of play against that and start building up some of those strengths so yeah we it would have been nice if we would have listened to people decades ago and been a little bit more energy independent we've always known that our

politics are compromised by our need on oil that's not new yeah like my parents generation was talking about this yeah um so now that it's happening over and over again, and it doesn't really seem like in any time in our future, the Middle East and Russia is going to be like more fun to deal with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's just start. Now, that being said, it's not all going to be solar panels and windmills. Two questions.

One, how does China play this whole game out? I have no idea. Like, and I don't think anyone does it. They're going to play it really smart and they're going to play it without the fear of pandering to a populace on social media. And I think that's their big advantage is they can really just play the game without playing worrying about how it's going to play in public opinion and that's why i don't think we give our politicians like enough credit on both sides of the aisle like it's a really hard game to play where you're listening to both experts and trying to make really smart decisions but you also have to deal with a populist that's just dumb yeah yeah they have to listen to both the smartest voices in the room in terms of their advisors but they also have to deal with a populace that's just dumb yeah yeah they have to listen to both the smartest voices in the room in terms of their advisors but they also have to pay attention to the

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So that's where I'm like, no, we got to do something about this. Let's cut this shit off at the head. Why am I wrong? Because I'm an idiot. I don't think you're wrong. But I also would look at sort of look at Amazon versus Alibaba and where those kind of stocks are going. And I think that gives you a good indication of what China is doing with their economy. Before they had it sort of more opened up to Western markets. And Alibaba is roughly about the size of Amazon. They started slowly closing off their economy and putting more

restrictive things on their tech companies. Because what they see is that Google, Facebook are way more powerful than any sort of government agency. I think we'd all agree to that. So they're like, oh, well, let's just make sure that doesn't happen. So that is hampering their economic growth, which is in the favor of our economy. But it's also still consolidating their power. So I think the thing that Putin shows is if you consolidate power to one person, you inhibit growth. Like delegation is the thing that creates massive amounts of growth. The more you sort of delegate, the more people you have growing underneath you, growing the whole entity. Russia's economy is shrinking, not growing.

Look at like the World Bank sort of publishes GDP for all these countries. It's going down. Even before the war. Yeah. Okay. As every country is going up. You said an interesting thing. You said to me, you said Russia is what happens when you remove nerds from the capitalist system.

Nerds are our best sort of defense i think we bring the smartest people or we incentivize the smartest people from all over the world look at who all the ceos of all the tech companies are the reason we think indians are smart because we bring the smartest indians from india right so that like we get this kind of fantasy that we want this like badass guy that does martial arts and can kick people's ass and served in the military to like run something that relates more to spreadsheets than it does to like lifting kettlebells. Yeah. Putin is not a great leader when it looks like look at what their economy does. What do they make? Do you have a Russian

smartphone or Russian TV or a Russian car? They got the best vaccine. According to their numbers. According to their numbers. Who's fact checking the Russian numbers? Look at what they export. The number one export is crude oil. And the number two is refined oil.

It's no electronics, no pharmaceuticals. Wheat's up there. They export oil and gluten. Two things that are like probably going away so i think it's not they also do a lot of like forestry products and stuff like that so taking over something the size of the ukraine which has probably more oil a lot of forestry and these other kind of raw resources adds to what they're already good at right but they're kind of losers they they got this badass reputation. They have a really

scary intelligence and military operation. But where are their nerds? Where are their productive nerds? And I think that's what's kind of amazing about the U.S. is that, sure, we can kick your ass, but we kind of save that to protect and bring in like the best and brightest nerds from all over the world and then just give them this awesome like economic playground and tons of money from vc private equity and all these things to just blow up their ideas and apparently they're experiencing more brain drain now like there are more russian scholars and intellects that are all leaving given the current conflict like here's a great example of a russian nerd that guy gary kasparov the chess player yeah yeah he's over here yeah okay yeah he's in the west now you can play chess over there yeah yeah there's a reason he

came to america and like he's a he's uh i don't uh endorse anything that he necessarily says or pushes but he has you know very strong opinions uh about their sort of government and particularly about putin but i don't think that you want to get in a fight with somebody. The only thing they have in life is fighting and they have nothing and nothing else to. Now, what if they take advantage of that and they keep on acquiring or invading, oppressing more places in Europe? Yeah. To your point about their economic slide, slap them. Doesn't it go back up if you just keep invading countries that are weaker? Even if it goes down, like if these people are used to some form of misery, right?

I think that's the biggest advantage they have over us is like Americans and I guess Europeans, I think will start to break when they have to spend $8 a gallon for gas because we're not used to misery. Whereas I think the Russian people, they're just kind of used to it. They're like, yeah, sometimes it's really tough times and a lot of people die or the ruble is worth nothing. And this has happened over and over throughout history for the Russian people. So if we're getting into a game of misery, we will lose. Maybe. I don't think we lose in anything. I don't think there's any way for us to lose on sort of

an economic battlefield. The only way we can lose is sort of uh nukes and sort of other sort of weapons of mass destruction by lose i mean like you have to acknowledge public sentiment right and if the public sentiment is i don't want anything to do with ukraine i don't know anything about ukrainians so i don't give a fuck about vladimir putin we're so far away from them they're so distant why are we even involved in ourself why am i paying nine dollars a gallon for some people that don't even speak english i can't even communicate with these folks i think of it as like we're all in like a club and we have like our our friends and family there too so we have a lot to lose right and there's one guy kind of acting up and we think he might have a gun or actually

we know he has a gun and he's sort of acting out and calling everybody up what you want to do to get rid of that person is you kind of want to get everyone in the club on the same page yeah to slowly kind of all move together to push them out you don't want to any one person to immediately stand up and say get the fuck out of here because then he's it might escalate it so i think that's actually what's kind of happening and look what like switzerland's like taking a position in this like they are known for being neutral and they're sort of cutting off uh economically so i think i don't know like i think the thing that we sort of taken for granted and i grew up during the cold war so i remember like a little bit during uh that kind of anxiety and fear of kind of nuclear threat overhead is we don't celebrate enough every year that like a nuke doesn't go off like these things exist and

one haven't one hasn't gone off in a really long time right and i almost think that like globally we need to create like more of us we have to have like a global holiday like once a year where like the whole world just says you know what everyone's stopped no one works today yeah no nukes went off this year that it's Humans can be pretty shitty. But once again, we did it. That's actually kind of an incredible achievement that we have these weapons of mass destruction and one hasn't gotten off in a really long time. So I think the more we celebrate things like that, the more that Putin goes, like, if I

ever hit that button, I'm the asshole that's ruining the party forever and ever and ever do you think he cares about that no idea and i find it really disingenuous when people say that they think they have an insight into how his mind is working yeah i think what's fascinating about him is that we haven't seen consolidation of military power to like one individual like that that we all kind of have known of for a long time like he's the perfect villain yeah yeah and uh and who knows who's really in charge in north korea yeah but he's got a good haircut yeah yeah yeah no yeah the putin thing is interesting i don't know he's the most interesting global villain we've had in a while yeah yeah and he does fulfill him he completely fulfills the villain role i just i don't know i think it's stupid to assume that he hasn't thought this out you know i think a lot of times we look at this guy's like he's this

barbarian but like no i think he's playing chess too and i think he understands exactly what's going to happen there are people that are briefing him how's that chess working out for him economically like if he's such a smart strategic thinker yeah maybe he isn't it comes to sort of military he's potentially the richest human being in the world. He's the richest human being ever. He's working out pretty good for him economically. He probably doesn't care too much about his... Not only is he the richest human being in the world,

he has very minimal pushback in his country. So you're the richest guy ever, and the people in your country do what you say? Kind of working out. Well, if you want to define leadership by how much of the share the guy on top keeps for themselves while not growing the pot from everyone underneath him. We're not saying he's a good leader of people but we're saying he might have

thought this through and he might not care what happens to his people he's fine he's insulated from all of it and his people are kind of like andrew said accustomed to misery so where does that leave us again to them the the massive consolidation of individual power i i wouldn't debate that he hasn't achieved that but it seems like he wants some sort of legacy of doing something for his country whether it's regaining territory or whatever it is and that's why there's because if it was just him getting the bag he got the bag why does he have to put any of his legacy sort of in risk so yeah the expansion thing is weird if you got the bag,

but you didn't do well for your people, what is your legacy going to be? That you extracted value and ran your country or you ran your country into negative growth while all these other countries were succeeding. History books will not treat

that kind of leadership kindly. And he's running near the end. And who's writing the books? In his country, he writes the books. In his mind mind the legacy is i just want to expand back to the ussr size or whatever it is the more territory he acquires the closer he got to leaving the legacy he wanted yeah so does he care what history books will say about him if in his mind he left the legacy he wanted to leave well let's say like he's what

he's like 69 70 years old so if if he didn't do this ukraine thing and just like played it out maintained his massive bag like and then eventually sort of dies or succeeds uh passes power off to someone else all he's done is like shepherd a decline of what was once a global economic superpower. That's it. That's legacy is no championships, just slow decline under your watch. That is kind of unavoidable as a, as a legacy. So now I think he has to do something on this sort of nationalistic standpoint near the end of his kind of,

uh, to prove that he achieved something outside of the demise of russia what has he done what has he built okay uh separate uh i mean not two separate conversation but these oligarchs and the way that like the oligarchs have been punished globally do you think it's fair i mean like roman abramovich? The guy who owns Chelsea. He's a very famous oligarch. I don't know.

There's all these sanctions being put on him. He can't sell his team. If he is going to sell a team, he has to go through the United Kingdom and they have to approve of it. The team can't, I guess, even profit right now. There's all these weird rules that have been put on. They have a limited amount of money

that they can spend on even travel, etc. They can't even sell jerseys, tickets. Yeah, only season ticket holders can come to games. They can't basically make any additional new money. It feels to me like these sanctions are happening to these Russian oligarchs in hopes that the oligarchs will put pressure on Putin. I mean, I don't think Abramovich

has lived in Russia in years, decades maybe. Yeah, I mean, this is like what people going after sponsors to try to get to the person. Yeah, yeah. It's people look for the leverage points they have. Is it fair?

Probably not on the sort of individual standpoint, but is it reasonable versus like our other options probably so basically what are they doing these are like the only people who we assume have access to uh putin yeah so they're trying to not even access to influence over maybe right yeah and to be fair i mean i guess if you dig on any sports owner they probably got some money doing some fucked up things that's probably how you get that rich every billionaire but yeah but if you got a problem with russia and the way he capitalized was buying you know the all these properties

or these oil companies for pennies on the dollar when the ussr fell then it's like all right well you're tied to this guy that's how you got your power yeah so i'm gonna go after you if i'm going after him well you're not tied to him that's the thing it's not like he even gave he even made them oligarchs he came after that so if he made all these people oligarchs i'd be like okay well putin put all these people in positions of power they put him in power yeah the oligarchs place putin in there yeah so it's like you're punishing putin by punishing the oligarch it weirdly seems unfair to me my understanding is they remain close is that wrong well they have to right so if you if you're thinking if he still has like he got putin elected and then putin helped him with his next uh acquisition of a big company gave him tax breaks all this stuff it seems like you two are still tied closely

together i don't know about the other they're 100 tied closely together and they're using it to influence i guess what i'm saying is like it's not like Putin put these people about. They were already billionaires. They were already oligarchs before Putin's even empowered. Putin does this fuck shit and now you're taking it out on the people that are closest to him. I don't know. It weirdly seems like – it weirdly seems unfair. I think the lesson is if you look at like how tied in like London's like economy is to sort of like Russian oligarch money it's kind of scary so

I think that's kind of the lesson that I take from this is be careful with who you get into business with I think I got approached on a couple NFT projects thought about it and then kind of was you know it's like you can definitely sort of grab the bag but it ties you into that forever yeah and i think more and more when we compromise uh ideology for sort of economic gain there's always the price to to bear and so it's like those guys made some compromised decisions and is it fair no but are they responsible for those decisions and the affiliations that they have? Yeah. Is it a compromise decision?

It depends on who you ask. I think it's a compromise decision to maintain the power. But buying an oil business from the government, a penny's on the dollar, I don't think that there's anything compromising about that. Anybody would do that. Right. But you also knew that this was part of the risk that eventually could come to like this wasn't unforeseeable didn't think mean it was likely or you didn't know when but if you get a pit bull and it bites somebody like you were hoping not you were trying to train against this you were planning against it right it doesn't mean you're not responsible for the decision that you ultimately took on. Meaning them putting Putin in power.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. But also, it's an economic war, right? Like, I don't know if you can necessarily search for fairness in an economic war. That's true. All right, guys, we're going to take a break for a second because, listen, there's nothing worse than being baked out of your mind when you didn't plan on it and you need to do shit. And that's why diet smoke exists, okay?

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So as like a team, if you root for like a poverty franchise, you're looking at them like, you know what? Fuck you. Now you know what it's like for the teams who don't have billionaires who got their money through these means. And know they're not the only ones all the good teams are like that but at least one team went down yeah no i hear you yeah i don't know why i don't know why i just feel like it's uh i mean i don't know why i even care about like billionaires like they're gonna figure it out they're gonna be fine with each other no it's it's i'm not even trying to be contrarian i just think it's like undeserved it's like it's the same reason why i don't want people shitting on like the russian people it's like they don't want to be part of this they want nothing to do with this right right like when i found out like

tchaikovsky was going to be removed from this uh this like um opera or whatever and where was it wales or something like that and i'm just like what the fuck did tchaikovsky have to do with any of this yeah but tchaikovsky didn't get Putin put in power. You know what I mean? If this guy was one of the guys that got Putin put in power and is still tied to him, I'm with you on Tchaikovsky. I understand more why Abramovich is going to get punished. To be fair, they thought that they could, I'm just really interested in this part of history,

but they thought that they could control Putin. And then they were wrong. His pitbull analogy works perfectly. The symbolic stuff is stupid, right? Like, oh we're not using russian composers in the symphony yeah we all agree that's like that's dumb yeah performative right they took out poutine because it sounded like oh yeah the french we're not even french the quebecois like the fries with like the cheese and gravy on it they're not calling it poutine anymore because it sounds too much like but we all think what the fuck is that doing that money is ultimately the thing that drives everything right in the world

so i think fighting an economic war is just like kind of getting right to the point of what we all kind of think is controlling things anyways you're saying modern warfare is basically just it should be fought economically yeah but it's like bombing a country like we bombed japan what did any of those people in nagasaki have to do with you know the world war ii or whatever i mean the country said it said that we're at war with one another exactly and if the russians and russia's like yo we're at war with ukraine and nato it's like all right anyone that's affiliated is involved in this economic but did russia say that yet bombing a country economically they said they're at war with a chance to rebel without being dead

that's a great point it creates hardship that motivates them for making a change that's like led by the people that actually live there without being dead first uh obviously you know starvation and the lack of medical supplies and all those things can be a big issue. But it doesn't mean it's perfect. There's no such thing, I think, as a surgical strike, really. Everything has collateral damage and is more complicated than we can imagine. And it's better that that collateral damage exists within the billionaire class of Russian oligarchs and not just the everyday people who are barely making it. Right.

And when we complain about, well they're just you know we're doing this just to try to raise the stock price or this to this if we all sort of if money comes to the root of the motivations behind all the things we complain about that if we actually have like a big escalating problem let's just use money yeah okay that makes sense let's talk about mr beast i'm done with fucking russia i'm fucking done what happened to dropping nukes no i still want to do it but i'm more primal when it comes to that kind of shit it's like someone's disrespecting us we just need to go slap somebody i understand and i think that like at the end of the day that's what humans actually like understand

and i think that's where the fear for of putin comes from it's like punching down yeah punch down yeah no it no, this is a podcast that supports punching down. There's a reason why we do it. It makes sense. Like, humans react to it. The average person who is afraid of Kim Jong-un

or the average person who's afraid of Putin is literally just afraid of a guy that they think is a little crazier than them. The crazy person wins. And we used to be the crazy person.

Yeah, but it's some... 20 years ago, we were the crazy person. If some small comedian with a tenth of your audience like comes after you. Are you punching down? I don't think that that's Russia. I think you I don't think even if that is what Russia is, the world doesn't believe that's what Russia is.

Gotcha. And I think that's the difference. The world is like, oh, yeah, it's just China, US and Russia. And they're all bad. And we did that. We propped them up and we made them the bad guy in every single action movie for fucking years. We made it seem,

because they had to seem like worthy bad guys in order for us to be triumphant and heroic. If we're punching down, then we're not heroes. Maybe that's why they're doing this. Maybe they saw Middle Eastern people

being the new bad guys and they're like, we won't back in. They forgot who we are. They're not roles. So that's possible. Also, that's a way scarier movie. You have to box a fucking middle eastern guy

you know what you're gonna win that bro why why because he got box cutters you gotta no you got a fucking dagestani in there like there's no fight movie with like a khabib where americans win because they're russian khabib's russian muslim yeah i guess but like you don't want to fight a muslim you know i'm gonna fight someone i want to fight like a blonde hair white guy yeah put him in the ring i don't want i mean we've been kicking their ass in movies for a minute yeah what do they do in their movies do they take us down i don't know if they have movies i don't know what do people watch i have no idea okay mr beast um mr beast is on rogan And first of all, I didn't know this guy was 23 years old. It's crazy.

It's fucking crazy. He's so impressive. So impressive. If you guys don't know who Mr. Beast is, he is the number one. Yeah, you guys know. Okay, fine. But if you didn't know, he's the number one YouTube creator in the world. I think he's got, between all his accounts, over 200 million followers.

He did this amazing recreation of the Squid Game. And that was probably on your radar i think that was one of the first things not the first things of him but like one of the first things that really crossed over mainstream people who didn't even know youtube exactly like barely were on it you heard about if you know youtube you're watching this on youtube you see mr b stuff he does all these amazing challenges all these incredible videos racking up 50 million views 100 million views he recreates squid game like i mean builds out the set i think he spent four million dollars on it it gets more views than

squid game yeah the recreation of squid game got more views than squid game which is fucking unbelievable 229 million views he goes on reviews then i think netflix has subscribers amazing that's right netflix has like 200 million subscribers so he's out there uh he goes on rogan he has this great conversation on rogan i haven't finished it just yet but he is so first of all likable and endearing incredible man like he should be president i swear to god that's the guy that i'm like this kid should be a president. Really? Yes. I didn't feel that way at all. I 100% felt that way. I literally didn't get that feeling at all. Go ahead.

He literally says at one point, I didn't even know how to talk to people. Yeah. Yeah. He should only be president if the entire country is just YouTube. Yeah. Let him be president of entertainment. I don't think he's the most. But I don't want him negotiating like a deal with Iran.

Oh, I think if he hyper obsessed on geopolitical politics he'd figure the shit out oh there you go i i agree with you in that regard he has two things that i want from a leader yeah you needed a caveat you needed a caveat for that statement yeah let's lead with the ridiculous and then try to justify hyper obsessive and seemingly selfless or at least not materialistic. When he was just like, I don't understand the point of getting money to buy a bigger box and get a bigger box. I don't understand the appeal of that. It's so dumb to me. Me, I want the bigger box.

I know I shouldn't be president. Well, you haven't gotten robbed yet. He got robbed, and then he was like, that's the only reason I moved. I don't need this stuff. And that's what the robbers also felt. You didn't need it. No, no. He said that's the only reason he moved into a nicer place is because his expensive stuff

got stolen. Then he was like, well, I don't need the nicer stuff, but I don't want my software or hardware or whatever the fuck to get stolen. Yeah. So let's get a nicer place. Yes. But before that, and he reinvests everything in the company. Yes.

He doesn't care about any of this shit. He's just hyper obsessed with YouTube and that's it. And that's the kind of guy that I'm like, this is so impressive. He's not into all this other shit. Yes. He doesn't't see didn't you tell me he took a three-year valve celibacy yeah i think i think he said it on colin samir he was like yeah i just hit up my boys and we're like yeah we're just not dating or having sex or going after one we're just focused on this when he's focused on a thing that's all there is i love that mine was more you know involuntary but i love a person that's like, when I set a goal, that's it. There's nothing stopping me.

You made me think Focus young people are always undefeated. Listening to that episode, I saw such a generational gap between Rogan and him. Rogan was confused, and he was confused. He was confused about Rogan's movie references and rogan was kind of like confused wait you bought an island yeah yeah that's my favorite kind of mutual it one it made me think of like how antiquated the idea of mainstream media is as a term like these are the two biggest media figures right now right youtube's a bigger platform than netflix yes yeah podcasting is a bigger thing than than television here's the two titans of this industry and even they don't have this like shared world view about the media landscape yeah but when we think about the future i think it is people like mr beast just oh shit we have young people that can just figure this out on their own, be completely tied into the analytics, get data back,

and just grow their audience, reinvest. It made me very bullish on... I bought more Google stock when I heard that interview. It's like YouTube already makes more money than Netflix. Yeah. And they got people like this. They don't have to risk. There's no risk to finding the next mr beast yeah youtube's

not paying him yeah allowing him yeah and he's coming up and he's a bigger star than anyone netflix has yeah they had to lose money on that stupid leonardo dicaprio movie just so they could say we have dicaprio on the platform yeah yeah yeah yeah mr beast is way bigger and they didn't pay him anything and he's like not even in this prime yet yeah that's what's that guy going to be doing 10 years from now yeah he's only 23 years old yeah i mean you got to the part where he said every day for a year basically from like 7 a.m till 10 p.m all he did was study youtube didn't put out a single thing yeah and he said something interesting within that was like him and like four of his friends yeah and friends and putting on quotes i guess he's met these people on the internet and they

basically were just studying youtube videos what works works? I think they looked at like every YouTube video that got over 10,000 views and they're like, why is this getting more than 10,000? Like how often are they doing angle changes? Like dissected every single part of the video making process to see like what was successful. And I'm sure they've done that a million times over. But he said something really interesting. He's like, you learn from your failures. And let's say you fail 20 times in a year, right? If you have five other friends that are also creating the same stuff, they're also going to fail 20 times. Now you, and if you actually share information with one another, you failed 100 times in that one year. You've lived five years of failures in one year.

So you're exponentially increasing your your ability to succeed and it was just really cool to see him put it like that think of it as generational evolution right so like rogan sort of uses youtube to help blow up his podcast yeah but he's not really thinking about it and then you're kind of watching that and you're using youtube intentionally yeah to grow your podcast and then you leverage it and get the sort of show on netflix and play around and do these other things he's a generation younger than you yeah and he's saying like oh he doesn't want to do a netflix show yeah youtube is prestige for him whereas your generation is still a little bit like and i'm like we want to use youtube as a as a tool not as an end goal

yes well he's a hundred percent all in because it's like he sees it as the prestigious platform because that's all he watched growing up it's all his friends watched growing up so his motivations for both growth and end game are all tied into one platform so he has like one target and just like slams away just hitting that one target and it's crushing it and to to clarify our position i think that youtube is the end goal yeah but i recognize that people my age and around my age don't realize that yeah yeah so doing something like netflix is like getting that kind of like blue check because it allows people around our age to go oh yeah they're really doing it it's validation for for people a lot of people

our age who aren't trying to stay relevant and if those are the rules of the game not the rules but if that's how people see stuff and they're hardwired almost to see like that you kind of have to do it in order to take them over now that they see that little validation from netflix they come to all of our youtube stuff they go oh this is awesome i love that oh yeah that's the netflix guy yeah i love the freedom that his generation has where they see youtube as the validator they see a million subscribers as the validator and they're just like this is where it is i don't even know what fucking channel the abc is on or whatever like this is i mean that was what changed it all for me i remember my nephew

say i asked him to put the game on and he was like what channels are i go abc and he goes what channels that yeah yeah young people are undefeated when it comes to predicting culture. They're always going to get it right. Well, they are culture. Yeah. They drive culture. And they have unlimited time. Yeah. Like, if you really think about it, when you're young, you feel like you have so much responsibility

and so much shit to do, but you're really at school from, I don't know, what is it, like eight? When do you have to be at school? 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. Like, 8 to 3? It's 8? I was about to say 10. I had no fucking clue.

No. 8 to 3, right? no fucking clue no eight to three right yeah you're eight to three there's so much time in the day to just spend fucking editing doing absolutely nothing like we spend it playing football outside of my apartment or like playing basketball do that kind of shit but what if editing videos is your football right but like back in the day editing was so fucking time-consuming, dude. Yeah. Like, I had Final Cut as a kid. And just waiting for the videotapes to convert over.

It was just, forget it. It was so much fucking time. Now what these kids are able to do, it's unbelievable. Why would you not go all in on it? They are. I mean. Yeah. I mean, that's an occupation now the kids want to be like if

you ask number one right yeah it's like youtuber is the thing and it blows my mind that you guys ever had to deal with a generation where you were a youtube comedian or that you were a youtube performer or that you were any like youtube was the like the antecedent for anything or the precedent for any word like it's just insane yeah that was the thing that youtuber is celebrity the way actor was celebrity like if you said i want to be an actor celebrity was just intrinsically in that youtuber it wasn't for these kids youtuber intrinsically means celebrity if you're big enough like you just assume oh big youtuber that's a celebrity i really wonder how many these celebrity actors now like how many outside of maybe the people in euphoria and even them we can only name a few of them by name yeah like actors are not common knowledge

yeah isn't that crazy yeah no like think about a show that we're all watching can we name the actors on the show outside of zendaya and i don't even know zendaya's last name and i think she's fucking brilliant yeah she goes by zendaya i And I don't even know Zendaya's last name. And I think she's fucking brilliant. Does she have a last name? She goes by Zendaya. I don't think she puts it out there. Okay. But yeah.

If they've crossed over to movies, movies are still a fucking thing. Tom Holland, Zendaya, you know them. Are they a thing? They're movie stars. Are they a thing? I don't think Marvel movies are a thing. Marvel's a thing. I saw Batman.

Batman, okay. But these are old franchises that we're bringing up. And even the new Marvel, I don't even think people are watching like that. What movie movie that is brand new are people going out for? I mean, are they still going to see The Rock? Like The Rock did that thing where he's on a boat in the jungle, jungle boat. Did people go see it? Maybe. I don't know.

I don't know. Like I know the old franchises that are grandfathered and fast and furious that kind of stuff yeah people are seeing that's why they need to reboot because we're the ones still going to see movies and they need to appeal to us yeah jumanji that's familiar i'll go see that 100 that's why they're remaking the same shit because it needs to tap into our nostalgia yeah batman run it back spider-man run it back don't give me no new fucking superheroes these kids aren't gonna go do it yeah they're watching all their shit on youtube or uh what's it called netflix anyway right so not watching movies is cool i told you guys i told you it was long enough you know what i mean i was just starting that i

just that's why i didn't watch movies not because i was smart you were listening to the interview how much validation did you feel for all the things you've finally dude no i don't know i just like i just love mr beast like his dedication to it and the fact that he started in north carolina and stays there stayed there like they have employees that are coming from la and new york to north carolina yeah to just work on what he's doing and the way that he's masterminded like all the sets and all the production like logistically incredible and then like the way the data powers it is just like have you gotten to the food kitchen and all that shit yeah i'm familiar with it but not from yes he's a food kitchen that he puts up in cities that don't necessarily have he says big cities everybody gets food kitchens and the big or every big city

is a food kitchen i go to cities where there's not a food kitchen necessarily and they don't have access to it and we feed like 200 people every two weeks 200 families and we give them good quality food and then he talked about beast burgers and his candy bars and he was like i want them to be healthy nobody's gonna buy them so i just make them as not shitty as possible for you but like to be 23 years old and legitimately thinking like i don't care about my personal gain beyond this youtube thing growing i just want to help as many people as possible outside of that it's just fucking it blows me away that a 23 year old is like that i've never seen a kid like that in my life maturity there was so much joy too yes like it was all like it wasn't like i'm gonna prove

everyone wrong yeah and it was it it made me hopeful that it wasn't like that michael jordan motivation yes where it's like i got chip on my shoulder. I'm a dick to everybody. Have to like put my teammates down. It was the exact opposite of that. It was like all, I have this awesome team. This person that runs the food kitchen, he's amazing. He should get a lot of credit. And if he's like the biggest thing for that generation

on the biggest platform, like it's fucking great. That's great. That's great. This is the first time there's fucking great that's great yeah that's great this is the first time there's a goat that you're like yo i want my kid to be like this yeah on and off the platform of these what we want a child actress to be yes this is better when we let him figure it out to sell yeah and i also didn't realize he had crohn's disease yeah that's the thing he brings up i had no idea like he has this disease that like i don't really understand all of it but like it's basically like a intestinal issue yeah like just caused you to be like lethargic like caused you

to have like intestinal pain like all this all these things that would you would think counteract all those stuff he puts out like the amount of work and time it goes into creating this stuff but he just pushes through and doesn't use that as like uh adversity he's overcoming he's like yeah it's just this thing i have i just thought it was so cool is he the coolest like normal looking young person ever but he's not like like logan's kind of like a big jacked athletic kid he was like the football player at the high school yeah this guy is so kind of just nondescript unassuming looking yeah yeah yeah and he's the biggest thing in media so that's well that's the thing about the biggest thing in media is so interesting to me because to me he's the biggest thing on

youtube but if you're not on youtube you don't even know who mr beast is yeah and the squid game thing was the first time where i think he crossed over where i think like traditional media was doing was having like conversations about Mr. Beast. Like if you're in YouTube like us, you love this guy. This guy's a genius. My parents don't know who he is. My parents know who Rogan is.

Yeah. So there is a threshold that he would need to cross to become ubiquitous. Well, I would say the threshold is if you do have one version of your show that's four times bigger than the Super Bowl, an audience, that's the threshold

i don't think so no what is it i think it's i think what happens is eventually the old people age out and they just die and then his audience just becomes what media is but what's quite interesting is that he doesn't feel like he needs to jump outside of the youtube space like he's all in on the youtube space i'm going to create content it's great for youtube and i'm not gonna he could parody every big show he could parody euphoria he could parody every single one and get crazy views but he's not chasing it and i think there's something really interesting about it because if you notice what happened when he did something outside the youtube space the squid game thing was the biggest thing he's ever done by far yeah right so what does that mean that means that people who aren't used to watching him watched yeah and that was the first thing i saw i remember being i would hear you

talking about him and i assumed it was some 40 year old kind of douchey guy calls himself mr beast and i saw this like adorable kid i was like what the fuck this is mr beast yeah and that's how i found out who he was because if you're not plugged into youtube like i'm out of touch i have no problem admitting that and our parents don't give a fuck about scrolling youtube viewership is so compartmentalized yes that the biggest person on youtube can be completely anonymous to people who aren't watching youtube that's right and especially because he's creating content that isn't based on controversy if you're creating content around controversy then naturally like rogan you're going to be picked up by the mainstream media they're going to be reacting to your stuff

what is cnn ever going to be upset about yeah him doing what is fox news ever going to be upset about him doing he's not coming out here he's not going hey these are my views and you should be uh judged if you don't uh feel the exact same way about this issue he's just going this is going to be the most watchable thing on the fucking planet this week and it is yeah sorry you said something you said mainstream media and something you brought up earlier we're the last group of people that's going to call that mainstream media yeah it's dead huh yeah it's just we keep calling it mainstream media but like you said rogan gets more views than all the news networks yeah beast gets more views than every tv show that's ever existed yeah they're mainstream media we just have these old terms that we've

latched on to yeah mainstream media cnn no it's not yeah basically it's rogan yeah history media is hbo max media legacy media yeah yeah legacy media and modern media yeah those are the terms yeah because modern media is mr beast and rogan yeah the views versus fame thing we're gonna have to eventually separate more because it's like well i think one of the most viewed YouTube videos for a while was the Evolution of Dance, which I think it was a comedian. Yeah. But nobody knows the name of the guy, right? Like, you guys know the name of the guy?

Yeah, yeah. The concept was funny. He literally did a video that did a billion, I think it did a billion views. Yeah. But nobody knows his name. Yeah. So he might have created the most viewed comedy clip of all time yet he has achieved no fame out of those views one it wasn't marginal but it's kind of like being a one-hit wonder

musician right you could have the biggest song we don't hear about you beyond that so whatever we don't even know your name we just know the song yes right yeah and that's essentially what's happening here right so what i think is interesting about mr beast is like we think of the super bowl as such a big event because like 50 million people or whatever watch it he's got a lot of videos this year that did 50 million views all of them yeah all of them that's insane yeah but since he's done it over and over again he is famous we just again we don't attach celebrity to youtube kids who grew up with youtube do they They get it. The funny thing about being in touch is just when you're

young, like I said, you are culture. You define it. So you're in it. And then as you get older, it just stops. Now younger people are defining culture. So you're just more and more out of touch as you get older and older. We're old enough that we don't think of these guys as celebrities. They do. I'm trying to figure out what the difference between the Super Bowl

and a Mr. Beast video are. And why you can charge so much more money. Well, one is focused and centralized. So Mr. Beast gets 200 million views from around the globe. Whereas the Super Bowl gets 50 million in America. Oh, I thought that's a global number. I mean, granted, you have marginal numbers. But I think there's probably more people in India watching Mr. Beast than there are watching the Super Bowl.

They don't have the same access in Indiaia to the super bowl necessarily youtube is right there's global numbers but like the focus and concentration of it is in america and the super bowl you kind of need to see live you can watch it recorded but it doesn't feel the same and think about the amount of sports podcasts that then create content talking about the super bowl that also gets so there's a there's a greater trickdown effect, whereas ESPN doesn't host the Super Bowl, but they're still probably driving 20 to 30 million views that week talking about the Super Bowl.

So it's like there's way more opportunities for Parasite Media to kind of latch on to the Super Bowl and create around it, whereas a few other YouTubers will talk about Squid Games. Do you think there is a future where Parasite Media shows up for a Mr. Beast b's video i'm shocked there's not a podcast we have a they already have it for rogan yeah they have a podcast that just goes it's like the rogan

river like review and every episode that drops the next day there's a rogan review and these guys talk about the episode i mean if i was a young kid about some podcasts yeah if i if i was a young kid then i was uh invested on 100 in mr beast content i would absolutely do reaction video every single one you know oh yeah and that would blow so i mean you have the philip defrancos of the world that are doing that with like youtube in general and like culture in general but specifically youtube culture colin smear kind of do it a little bit yeah yeah a little bit but then eventually i think you'll probably have more as they get bigger and there's more market for it i think the market will answer the demand and eventually have someone whose sole focus is just reaction but there's also i don't know if he puts out content frequently

enough to have one person subsisting on just his content oh i thought he was he was doing a weekly. No, I don't think it's weekly. I think he says- No, and he says, I have no problem. This is also fucking great. He's like, I have no problem scrapping a video. That separates me from everybody I think else. No matter how much work we put into it or how much money we put into it,

if it's not great, I'm out. It's done. Which is fucking fire, dude. What was that? But think how many years Disney had to get to, I guess they acquired pixar but how fucking in like that's a legacy company this kid is 23 and he's putting millions of dollars into something i mean like you know what no crazy man he impressed he he impressed

me so thoroughly as a 23 year old to have that head on his shoulders i was blown away by this kid yeah yeah it was amazing yeah i wonder what happens with him now speaking of youtube world donald trump appeared on milk boys full sim and then it got pulled off youtube how many views before it got five mil like five mil in 24 hours yeah i mean for misinformation the bag immediately apparently youtube pulled it off because trump claimed that the election was fraudulent yeah and youtube has an anti like election like they have like an election integrity policy that he broke so that's why i got pulled off i wonder if you can use like a little bit more specific language to get away with that because he could say there was fraud

in the election because there's fraud in every election. Yeah. He just can't say that the fraud changed the results. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. Every election, right? Think about it. Like every election, there's going to be some like an old lady that writes in her husband

that just passed away's vote as well. Yeah. So that technically is fraud. Yeah. It's just not enough to actually overturn an election. I'm not saying I'm right. I want you to tell me why I'm wrong. Yeah.

There was a lot of left-wing people who said the Trump election was kind of stolen because the only reason Trump won is Russian misinformation and Russian bots, et cetera, whatever that word is. How is that different? And how is that acceptable? If you said that, would you still get pulled off? Ooh, that's a good one. Hey, that's good. Because if so different and how is that acceptable if you said that would you still get pulled off oh that's a good that's a that's good because if so and this is the i don't necessarily

think free speech should always be allowed you can't say i'm gonna kill the president and get away with it that should be punished well but i guess the only thing i would say that is those people were influenced by information but they still voted i think what trump is saying is that there were fake votes yeah they were sent in and those are different things like influencing someone into voting it's like yeah you found a i guess a loophole in the system right but the same like russia can send a million videos saying how awesome a candidate is if you don't get up off your ass and go vote then right i think it's also difference between saying the referees didn't do a good job and

that team didn't win that game like trump sort of goes after the actual outcome being like this is an illegitimate outcome he says the game was fixed as opposed to the refs yeah the ref sucked yeah i mean that shit was getting taken down no matter what yeah yeah there's no question it's just wild times like that that even happens yeah i mean he's a president i mean there was ex-president have you seen any of the clips yeah have you seen the clip of him talking about how he's a he's like a good dj yeah the ymca shit yeah you know it gets the people going ymca the gay national anthem he called it the gay national anthem yeah he's just the most entertaining off on the windmills.

He's like, oh, these windmills. Why are they building these windmills? What's the point of these windmills? I tell him all the time, they don't work, they're ugly, but these people love the windmills. It's like there's a war happening, he's just waxing about windmills. This is amazing.

It's so funny. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder. You see this conversation happen all the time. It's like, doesussia invade ukraine if trump is still president i think so yeah i i don't remember trump having a real i've heard he did a good job with china yeah kind of checking china but i did not hear that about russia i would hear kind of the opposite again who knows what side i'm hearing information from yeah i mean it's very safe to say that i don't know and i don't think any of us know yeah we might find out i don't think until we know fully why russia

invaded and what the exact reason was like in five years will we know if they would do it when trump is president like if it's just if it's desperation they're gonna do it no matter who's if it's fear of nato expansionism like that was happening regardless so it might have just happened anyway if it was like if it's these bio labs or whatever like russia is a legend yeah like that was happening regardless. So it might have just happened anyway. Yeah. Like if it's these bio labs or whatever, like Russia is a legend. Yeah. Like that was still going on. So maybe it would have happened. Yeah.

It's like, I don't know. We can't know until we know what the actual motivation is. And you have to understand like what Trump's policy would be in the area. Right. So if Trump is like, yo, cut this NATO expansion out, then there might not be any reason. Yeah. For Putin to get to work. Who knows?

Yeah. It's an elk poison boys have been doing a good job. Yeah. Been doing a really good job. They're plugged in. And I think they do it all without any monetization directly from AdSense. So they're just doing it for the merch business. Yeah. Interesting.

Wow. This is really crazy. Wow. Yeah, because I think they got their monetization removed. Yeah. Because they're wild boys. Yeah, they're wild boys yeah they're wild boys yes they are yeah yeah they've been doing a good job like getting really like marquee guests at the right time like they had antonio brown right in the middle of that whole scandal like they keep having and they keep like using these relationships that they already

have built up and working them brilliantly like getting dana white on there like i mean it's just yeah they're doing a great job now something i'm curious about how come the white house hasn't briefed us about the war in ukraine we're not important enough they've been briefing everyone else they're briefing all these tiktokers but they haven't even maybe they know that we got it down ah that we're saying nuke everyone yeah they're like all right yeah that's what we were gonna tell the tiktokers yeah they're like all right yeah that's what we were gonna tell the tiktokers yeah they're keeping it up yeah maybe they should call us to talk to the tiktokers maybe i think we should get on the phone with addison ray be like hey listen

push the button all right we gotta do the nuke challenge when i saw that though like when i saw that they were like uh briefing the tiktokers and shit like that my my immediate reaction was like how nice would it be to learn on this about on tiktok like i i want it on yeah 100 i give me i thought it was a great idea yeah and it's kind of the only way to fight the propaganda war because you know the other side is going to put out their shit yeah so you got to tell your people hey here's what the deal is get it out to how many a billion people on tiktok yeah or or do you want us to watch jen saki on cnn at 2 p.m it's not happening yo you gotta uh you gotta adapt adapt and get hey let's get the information out how

out however it gets out yeah 100 why would you say no to it it just sounds so ridiculous it sounds it sounds embarrassing but we are embarrassing as a culture culture tends to be embarrassing there's this kid who breaks down um like historical events but he does them kind of sarcastically on tiktok and uh it's great like i feel like i'm learning about it yeah it's just like the best teacher ever and i feel like i'm learning about this thing that happened in american history and he's breaking it down and i'm kind of like laughing at it and i'm like yeah this should be all learning it's hamilton this is what happens when america doesn't control the platform it's like back when america controlled the platform they're like all right let's call

up dorsey call zuckerberg and like we'll brief them on the war in ukraine and now that china's running they're like we gotta tell the content creators right tell them how to run it because u.s companies we can do at the algorithmic level yeah this you do it the right way this that china's not telling their influencers how to do it they're like yeah this is what they're gonna it's like doing brand deals versus just promoting rankings now we have to integrate it directly into the person speaking yeah exactly and so that's how we have to influence it through the manual algorithm of the credit you can't just turn up the knobs yeah exactly okay let's do some feelings of facts and let's get the fuck out of here all right uh tom brady has officially unretired actually i

have an idea okay we've put in enough time okay why don't we save that for an episode later in the week okay oh okay i like where this is going you know we've been putting out seems an extra episode every single week so maybe we'll have a little discussion about this and i'll be out by thursday oh okay if we're still here, if America's still around. If America's still around, we'll discuss Tom Brady's comeback. If we have a country by then. And if we don't, then there won't be a comeback.

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