Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Marques Brownlee Reviews Elon Musk

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

What up people, the greatest tech reviewer of all time Marques Brownlee Reviews Elon Musk, builds his dream iPhone, and talks about the future of Artificial Intelligence & Dall-e 2. INDULGE! Time codes 00:00 - Tech Window In the building! 06:00 - Emma Chamberlain Interview at the Met Gala 21:00 - Mark Zuckerbergs Metaverse 31:45 - Getting girls in college?! 40:16 - Is Tik Tok Manipulating us? 51:00 - Getting cash for reviews? 1:07:28 - The MKBHD iPhone collab? 1:22:00 - Elon Musk is the greatest tech pioneer 1:25:55 - Steve Jobs vs Tim Cook 1:33:00 - artificial intelligence & Dall-e 2

What's up, everybody? Welcome to Filaggrant. And today, I am incredibly happy to have an illustrious guest. Wow. An absolute goat in the YouTube realm. The greatest at what he does. And I think you could make argument for one of the greatest YouTubers ever. Wow.

I'm sure you want to be the greatest YouTuber ever. He's going to, I mean, you guys know Marques Brownlee. Marques Brownlee. Marques Brownlee. We've got to put you up top. I'm so excited you're here. Now, you said that you're going to review a sex robot with us. Yeah. This is news to me.

What? I emailed you that? No, you emailed me. You're like, I have a cool review we might be able to do on your channel because it really wouldn't work on my stuff. And I was like, okay, that'd review we might be able to do on your channel because it really wouldn't work on my stuff. Right, right, right. And I was like, okay, that'd be kind of fun. And so we'll do that a little bit later, but everybody that's tuned in.

But I need to let you know. You see that's for like retention or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see you. I see you. That's fine. We need that. Take that, Jimmy, you piece of shit. What did he do?

He did nothing to you. I don't know. He's trying to make me fat with these cookies. Oh, yeah. True. So I have to let you know something, Mr. you piece of shit. What did he do? He did nothing to you. He helped you. I don't know. He's trying to make me fat with these cookies. Oh, yeah, true. So I have to let you know something, Mr. Brownlee. Sure. You are partially responsible for one of the most embarrassing things that's ever happened to me. Explain.

Are you familiar with this, maybe? No. Okay, we're going to put up a video. We had Jake Tran, the YouTuber, on here, okay? Yeah. And Jake was explaining how he first got into YouTube through you and tech videos. Okay? Tech videos. He said tech.

Remember that. Clearly, you can't say that too much. Don't establish a bias. Don't do that. Okay, I was just watching a little bit of video. Leading the witness. Just keep in mind, this is one of the most embarrassing things that's ever happened to me. I look like a complete fool, partially because of you. On YouTube? Yeah.

And in high school, I started watching a lot of tech channels like Marques Brownlee, Linus Tech Tips, and I just got really sold on the idea of being a YouTuber. That romanticized ideal, like having sponsors, getting free stuff, having fun on camera, etc. So,

at the time, I was doing Tech Window. I was a competitor and coach. Stop. Stop. No, stop. Just stop. Don't stop. Just stop.

You can't stop it. Just stop. Just one thing. I just need to know. I just need to know. Objectively speaking. You're killing it on me. What did he say?

Just what did he say? Just what did he say? He was doing Taekwondo. Man, come on, bro. Come the fuck on. Roll the tape. Have you heard Taekwondo? Yeah. Wait, what? Roll the tape. Roll the tape. You heard Taekwondo?

Yeah, wait, what? Roll the tape. You heard Taekwondo. What do you think he's saying? Go back five seconds, please. As a coach, yeah. I did Taekwondo for like five years. What's Taekwondo for us old people? Taekwondo?

Are you guys into martial art? Oh, Taekwondo, dude. I thought you said Taekwin. Taekwondo? I thought that was his part of the... Come on, Mark. I'm not taking responsibility for that. Come on, Mark.

He's telling me he's watching tech YouTubers. Okay, like Marques and Farley. Yeah. Then he goes, I was doing tech window. Right. As a confederate coach. He did pivot kind of hard there, but... Yeah, no. But I was primed hard there, but, yeah, no.

But I was primed by tech, so I'm thinking tech in my brain. Obviously, I'm not the most tech savvy guy, so I'm like, everything is going to be tech from now on. And then he throws, you know, me for a loop, and now we're in combat sports. He did swerve, yeah. Okay, so. So, do you see why I, that moment thought he definitely said Tech Window he was a competitor or is he a fucking idiot

in the hearing it back and hearing what you heard I get that you heard it thank you that's fine that's fine

but as someone I don't know I feel like I've my dad did Taekwondo I'm familiar a little bit I've heard the word said maybe more times than I just remember

that that's a thing I've done Taekwondo do you do you hear that out loud enough to think about that first over tech window? I guess not. No, I don't think I do. Now, if you keep going, they fucking laugh at me, like really loud, especially Alex.

Look at... He called me a dumb fuck for just hearing something, man. Roll the lights, man. Roll the lights. Stop. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, that is what you're dealing with here on the podcast.

I just want to let you know. All right, all right. Okay? That's the level of tech savvy we bring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tech window. We're thinking about tech all the time. Just curious, what did you think tech window was?

I thought it was a competition that you could be a coach and a competitor in. And it was you competing about tech stuff. Tech window. How does the window play into that? It's more of a metaphor. You know what I mean? It's fair. It's not like an actual literal window.

It's like the tech window. Like anything can exist within the tech window. The span of all tech things. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Literally what you're saying is what I was thinking. I get it.

Yeah. I get it. I get it too, these guys are fucking racist I'm racist? why couldn't an Asian kid be good at tech? why couldn't you think that? that's where I went with it you went karate you went taekwondo

I didn't anyway, I'm way more open-minded. It's actually the widest you've ever been. It might have been. Yeah. There's a moment where I go, hold on, hold on, like I could stop time for a second. Okay, anyway, Mr. Brownlee, thank you so much for being here. Listen, we know that you've

sat down with Barack Obama. We know you've sat down with Elon Musk. We know you've sat down with Kobe, with Bill Gates, all of the Illuminati. And you, some people think you're Illuminati. Do you know that? Who thinks that? Yeah, what?

I thought that was like the entertainer part of the Illuminati. You're in the game, my friend. I guess a little bit. I've only been in that room once. I went to the Met Gala once. Whoa. So I've been in that room. Just to bring that out to the top of the podcast.

But I wouldn't say That those people you mentioned Are in that same category No? So you're saying They're not on your level No, no, no That's a different They have to go to the Met Gala

I guess I'm separating The Illuminati From Kobe Bryant I guess Yeah, I don't think Kobe was part of it But Met Gala Now that you bring that up

Oh, look at that Oh, look at that You're looking cute I see you You're looking cute, Marquez That is the best was part of it. But Met Gala, now that you bring that up. Oh, look at that. Oh, look at that. You're looking cute. I see you. You're looking cute, Marquez. That is the best I've ever looked. You're my handsome son of a bitch.

Oh, you talked to Emma? Yep, at the top. We see you. Who's Emma? Come on, Al. Emma Chamberlain? Emma Chamberlain, you are a boomer.

Two types of people, man. Watch YouTube right now? White and black. A little bit? Yeah, no. That's the YouTube right there. Emma Chamberlain's one of the preeminent YouTubers, dude. Yeah.

Did she stop making videos? I like her. She did. Well, she makes less videos from what I understand. Okay. See, she fell off. That's why. You think she fell off?

No, that's what he just said. Well, I think a lot of people think it's like a graduation. A lot of people aim to do YouTube to let go of that to the next thing. And I think Emma's, that's a Vogue video she's in. She's hosting interviews at the top of the red carpet of the Met Gala think Emma's, that's a Vogue video she's in. She's hosting interviews at the top of the red carpet of the Met Gala for Vogue. That's a graduation for her. But, where are people watching those videos?

YouTube.com. That's a great point. And that's why I make YouTube videos. That's what I'm talking about. What is the ultimate goal with you? Ah, man. If you asked me this five years ago, I would have had a different answer. Ten years ago, I would have had a different answer. But I just want to make videos that

people want to watch. And I'm not tied to YouTube. YouTube is where I go to watch videos. That's where I make videos. But if that changed, I would also do videos for that. Do you ever see yourself stepping out of the tech window and into anything maybe different realms? It's always been what I'm interested in.

See how easy it is to understand something like that? I like tech, so that was a natural thing. been what I'm interested in. See how easy it is to understand something like that? I like text, so that was a natural thing, but I'm also interested in cars, and I started doing car videos, and I can step out in different things, which is fun.

So yeah. Skincare? You got great fucking skin. I've been looking at it this whole time. It's incredible. I'll take it. I don't do anything special,

so. Wait a minute. Cars, cars, cars, because I know that. Yours is not good. His is, you don't, your skin is shit, actually. I'm mixed. His skin is special. Wait a minute. Cars, cars, cars. Because I know that. Yours is not good. Your skin is shit, actually. I'm mixed. His skin is gorgeous.

I'm mixed. You know, I got half good skin. Yeah, you got Puerto Rican wrinkles on there. Yeah, that happens. Puerto Rican wrinkles. That happens, bro. I guess. Pastel is on my face.

Exactly. Okay, so with the cars, because I know that you were talking to Elon. I was watching that conversation. Now, I've also been told that you've had some difficulty with your Tesla. Did you ever bring that up with Elon? Not specifically, but he's probably aware because I made a video about it. And any response, any text from him? Not directly.

I mean, this was also 2016 when I had an issue with an early Tesla Model S. Okay. 16 when I had an issue with an early Tesla Model S. And I think what happens is people give a little bit more benefit of the doubt to a newer company like Tesla when they're new. Now that they're not new, you don't expect that type of stuff to happen.

Rivian just had a similar thing. Rivian's a new car company. The truck with the suspension started breaking. It made headlines and everyone freaks out about it, but it's like, I don't expect that from Volvo. Yeah. Mercedes, Audi.

So, yeah, they had an early blip and I was okay with dealing with that. There's a, I bought a fake Porsche. It's a replica Porsche. It says Porsche Speedster. Do you know what those cars are?

It's not a Porsche? No, it's basically like a Volkswagen body that they chop into to make a new Porsche. These Porsches are half a million dollars. I don't have half a million dollars to be buying a fucking car of a wife. So, but the point is, is I was being told, I was being told by a friend who was like,

listen, here's the problem. When you have some one person make a car, right, there's always going to be problems. Like, what do you mean there's always going to be problems? That's one person looking at every single detail. He goes, no, no, no, scale. Handle. Exactly. Yeah. Scale is where the problems Hand built. Exactly. Yeah.

Scale is where the problems go away. Yep, yeah. I really like McLarens, and McLaren has a terrible reputation for quality control because they're hand built. Yeah. And that's tough. And the other thing with the McLaren is, like,

don't you need to pay for a software update two years later? I don't know about that. I mean, they have pretty garbage software, so I imagine they're not doing too hot as far as pushing free, great OTA software updates to cars. But also, yeah, cars are tech now. They're connected to the internet. It's a computer on wheels.

They download software updates. They get better features over time. Sometimes they get faster. Wait, really? Yeah, they'll just improve the torque curve because they figured out new things they could do with traction control. That's what Tesla will do. The computers will get better at understanding traction, and they'll get faster, which is

amazing. But yeah, McLarens are more like hardcore, less software driver's cars. So in the middle of driving, your car can get faster? Not in the middle of driving. Your phone gets a software update. If your foot goes like that, then it will. I've tried that. No, no, no.

Not on my fake Porsche. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think the Volkswagen will do it. It's like your phone. You got a max speed of 50 on that bad boy. I was fast enough to fit the other half. You got to pedal with your feet, dude. You got to yabba-dabba do it down the highway. Well, no, I was watching.

It was funny you say that about the cars because I was watching that old pod that you did with Rogan, which was great. You guys have a great energy together, especially because you see like Rogan's obsession. Yeah. Like Rogan is an obsessive dude, right? If it's about elk shooting, it's about fucking bone arrows, it's about tech, he's all in. But when you guys were talking about the phones, there's always been that theory that once Apple comes out with a new phone, they start fucking with your old one. But you had an interesting

perspective on it. You were like, it was something about the CPU is going to falter if you don't. Every one of these crazy headlines always has both sides. And it's so easy to just look at our side, which is new phone comes out, two new phones come out, my shit gets slower, that's dumb. Okay, the other side is Apple wants, theoretically,

and you have to hear this out in good faith. Apple realizes that they want to make great phones, and these batteries are not that amazing that they can hold the same voltage for years and years and years. So after a year or two, they're going to start asking less of the battery.

They're going to voltage down the CPU a little bit so that the battery can keep giving you all-day battery life, but the CPU is a little slower. But now you still have all-day battery on a two-year-old phone. Because they figure you would rather more battery than a slightly faster two-year-old phone. Now, what happens when it feels like the battery's also going away? Yeah, it will. And then your phone just feels old. And then hopefully, so the idea is like, get a new battery, not a whole new phone. If you need a new CPU, that's way different from just replacing the battery. Yeah. So just get a new battery, not a whole new phone. If you need a new CPU, that's way different from just replacing the battery.

Just get a new battery. It'll feel like a new phone. Maybe it'll start pushing the same voltages as when it was brand new. It'll be a fast phone again. Apple's not telling people that. You hear the other side, which is the headline, which is, yes, your phone is actually slower. That sucks. Now, what is your beef with Apple?

I don't really have any beef. I'm getting blasted with green text every time we talk. That's funny. That's not beef. That's just my current daily driver preference. I carry two phones, by the way. Okay, let me see. Let me see what we're working with.

What do you want to? I want to see what we're working with. Okay, back phone. You got two phones. How does your girl feel about this? No, I've always had two phones. So this is an Android phone. How do you enter the relationship?

That's smart. That's smart. That's how they want. Yo, stay ready so you don't get rid. girls feel about this. No, I've always had two phones. So this is, so an Android phone. How do you enter the relationship? That's smart. That's smart. That's how they want. Yo, stay ready so you don't get raped. This is Ben to say. So Android phone, iPhone. The thing is I test and I use tons of phones. And in order to be familiar with Android's ecosystem,

I'm constantly testing a bunch of different Android phones. New iPhone comes out. If I haven't used an iPhone in a year, it's kind of hard to remember and test and get that context because it's a very different world. So I'm also always using an iPhone. I have these phones on and on. Oh, I scratched it. On and using them all the time. And so when the new iPhone comes out, that's my pocket. When a new Android phone comes out, that's my pocket. So right now. Now what's better? So my primary phone number is the Android SIM because I pop the SIM card out and move it between a bunch of different phones.

And then I also have a secondary SIM card that most people don't have this number, but it's a full SIM card. And it's also a fully working iPhone. Which one got the dating apps, bro? Which one got the hoes in it? This one is all my contacts. But the family FaceTime, the iMessage, the people who get mad about the green bubbles, I guess I'll give you the other number if you really want it. Yeah.

You didn't get the Apple privilege off RIP. You saw that? You had to complain a little. Yeah, you got to earn that. You got to earn that. You got the default. You got the default. I did get the default.

But if you came. Bro, I stayed getting bullied on my show. You're a side bitch over there. I really am. You're the side bitch, bro. I'm not kidding. I'm on a plane. Hit me when you land. Yeah. I really am. You're on a side bitch boat, bro. I'm not kidding. I'm texting on a plane. Hit me when you land.

Yeah, that's fair. No SMS. Golly, man. But if you'd started with FaceTime or something that I could only do with iMessage, I'd be like,

all right, well, that's smart. So that's the move. So you lead with that, then you get the blue bubble. But most people don't. Do you think that that was one of the smartest things that Apple ever did?

It's definitely one of the most valuable things to them right now. Yeah. For sure. But don't they always do that? Don't one of the most valuable things to them right now. Yeah. For sure. But don't they always do that? Don't they always do these little things to create other? Oh, yeah. To protect their brand?

They know it's powerful. You've heard about this bullying that kids these days have to have. In America, I should specify, because people watch these videos, and I talk about this all the time. In other countries, this is not nearly as much of a thing. But in the U.S., where 90% of kids, their first phone is an iPhone, and they grow up with the iPhone. If you don't have an iPhone, you will get bullied for it. And you will be excluded from group chats.

I would never do that. And you will get the message about how you don't have a green bubble. Yeah, I'd never do that. And that's rough. That was the first thing I said to you. That's the first thing you said. Hey, it's Marquette Brownlee. The fuck is this green shit?

You put it in your special. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. this green shit? You put it in your special. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. That is fucked up that we bully in that way. So is WhatsApp the biggest threat to iMessage? Because in other countries, they message on WhatsApp, so there is no color. There's no othering.

Exactly. Yeah. No, WhatsApp is way bigger than iMessage in all these other countries. So iMessage is like, it would be nice if people used it, but people just use WhatsApp, period. Exactly. Yeah, but that WhatsApp shit is wild annoying. There's five or six different apps now, because if you talk to somebody in WhatsApp

land, and you talk to somebody in text message land, you have an iMessage person, there's just like seven or eight apps you could use to talk to people, which is annoying, and then Google will make three or four more just because that's what they do all the time. Yeah, it's just If you're Indian, WhatsApp is everything.

It's texting, it's Facebook, all the spam threads, they just go on WhatsApp. It's crazy. Isn't it banking too or something crazy? They have like a lot. They try to incorporate. Yeah. It's a lot. I don't know that. I'm not Indian enough for that. It's like texting me. Like Meta

does a lot of things, like Facebook obviously and I think when they realized how important a communication app is and they bought WhatsApp, that was a major move for them. They know a lot more about a lot of people because of WhatsApp. Wait, what do you mean by that? Well, Facebook is like,

collect all the information, sell all the ads. And now, okay, Facebook starts to decrease in popularity, but what's coming up? Instagram? Okay, we buy that. Now we have a lot of information. They don't tend to make a unique product. They tend to either buy it or copy something else that did really well.

And WhatsApp, super popular. Yeah, we would love to have that information about people. Now the information is reading the texts? No, I think it's encrypted still, but still they like to know when you're texting. When you're doing things online, they can it's encrypted still, but still they like to know. When you're texting. When you're doing things online, they can still serve you ads.

They can do things with WhatsApp information, but it's not like, you know. They didn't invent something new to get people to use it. They just saw what was going well and bought it. Is the metaverse a big, fat fucking failure for Mark Zuckerberg? I'm working on this video. I'm working on this video. Drop it. Drop it. Give us an exclusive. Please, please. If you give on this video. I'm working on this video. Drop it. Drop it.

Give us an exclusive. If you give us this, you don't have to fuck a robot. Wait, we get to fuck it? Oh, well, we're still going to fuck it, Mark. I'm first. Metaverse. Metaverse. It is, okay, so I might just say what I was going to say in my video.

Oh, let's go. Which is that there's two parts. Again, I think the tech is really cool. Anytime someone asks me what's the future of tech, VR always comes up. Like AR, VR, something with the glasses and the projections and seeing stuff. It just seems like the natural future. And then I think Meta slash Facebook slash Zuck kind of got shafted in the first half of the internet, which is like, it runs on ads, Google ads basically. It runs on devices.

They don't make devices. And in order to sell ads, they need to track you. And, you know, ever since we had that ask app not to track button pop up on iPhones, like that really screwed Facebook. And I think they're looking forward at like, what's the future really going to be? It seems like it's VR and AR. Okay, let's pivot the entire ship and commit to that future. Huge move.

Just the whole thing. Yeah. And we have enough money to pour into this that even if you're not really sure, if you're a skeptic, if you're on the edges, we'll pour money into whatever you were hesitant about to make it good enough for it to be the future. And then when we have this foundation of the internet 2.0, which is this metaverse that they're imagining people spend lots of time in, then Apple can't screw them over. Or Google can't take the upper hand because they sell all the ads. It'll be the Facebook-dominated thing.

And that would suck. Because one company dominating the entire internet and having control over the whole foundation of what we're all doing online is a terrible idea. But that's their vision. That's their competitive future. Ah, so they've been limited now. And they're like, let's get ahead of this

so that they can't limit us in the future. I think they see the trajectory of Facebook.com, so they've been limited now, and they're like, let's get ahead of this so that they can't limit us I think they see the trajectory of Facebook.com going like this, and they have infinite dollars to just look for the next thing and fully commit to it. And what do you think of that bet? I think it's really interesting.

So I've seen some really cool demos of things that work really well. There's the Quest Pro headset that I got to try, which is like, it has this pass-through mode, and it'll track your computer, and you're paired to your computer, so you put it on, and it still shows you your entire environment,

but then your computer on the desk, three more monitors will pop out of it, and you get to use it just like a normal computer. And the tech, it's a little bit glitchy, it's a little buggy, it's not the sharpest thing in the world, but this idea of, I have three monitors in front of me me on the train, wherever I want to go, just bring the headset with me, I get why they think that's the future.

And they're going to pour billions and billions of dollars into that until it's great. Oh, sorry, real quick. I have one, I don't want to call it a criticism, but one thing I noticed. I got the goggles, right? My wife and I have them. The Quest? Yeah. Which is one of the VR headsets? I think it was.

You have Oculus, I think. Oculus Quest, yeah. Now the MetaQuest, because they bought them too. Right. So, and my wife hated it. I'm loving it. I'm watching climbing videos. It's me and Alex Honnold, and I'm just looking down.

I'm like, it's terrifying, whatever. But an interesting thing happened, which is different than like watching a TV or a basketball game and zoning out or like playing video games and kind of zoning out. It completely isolates you from your partner. The goggles do. And I think that there's a hiccup there that they're not noticing, which is you can have a headset on playing Call of Duty and your wife's over there, but you can still talk about what you need to do that day and the things you need to go get. Do you like this outfit? Do you like this?

Should we go here? Once those fucking goggles go on, you're in a different world, literally, and that's the point. But there's going to be friction relationship-wise. So there's the idea of the metaverse. We're all putting on headsets and we're in there together. But if she doesn't buy in to climbing with Alex Honnold, like me, or surfing at Jaws with Shane Dorian, and Kyle Enney, you know, if she's in doing her thing,

right, now we're not in the world together, and we're not spending that time together. Couples do this a lot, where it's like, we're doing something together, we might not be talking. And I think that there's going to be some friction with that. They have to figure that out. So there's two things I keep saying, which is VR and AR. VR, virtual reality, is you put the headset on and you're immersed in a different world, which is what you're talking about.

AR, a little bit different, is taking the reality around you and augmenting it a little bit. Augmented reality. Add a screen to the wall. Add the weather in front of you. This is what you're talking about, the two other screens. Yes. So right now in 2022, the tech that we have is you putting a big-ass headset on and being isolated from the world. I think Meta's

idea is if we put enough money into this, it miniaturizes over and over and over again. It's got cameras. It's got sensors. Suddenly it looks like I'm just wearing glasses. I see the whole world, but I also get the VR experience, the AR experiences everywhere. And maybe that's possible. So the Oculus is like the first cell phone? Exactly. We look back at that and we're like, that is absurd. I don't want to carry this thing everywhere. There's no future to this brick in my car.

But if I'm folding it, throwing it in my jacket. Suddenly it makes sense. And imagine whoever, Nokia had been working on the cell phone for 50 years before anybody else started. Is it avoidable that meta takes over the metaverse completely? I think there's a couple other companies that have enough money and enough foresight

to start to compete. I think everyone expects Apple to have a headset in the next year. I think we're going to see that. And they're great at hardware. Apple's great at hardware, and they're great at hardware. Apple's great at hardware and they're great at ecosystem. So you better believe they're worried about

everyone who has an iPhone is going to want the Apple headset not the other headset. And Apple, just like they do with the Bubbles, they will be Apple's headset

and the others. That's a thing you can expect. Google, they've got the money and the tech and the software. Creating other. Oh yeah.

We talk about this all the time. The ecosystem and the walls that they build, the figurative walls, that's iMessage, FaceTime, all that stuff. The charger, right? It's like, do you have an Apple charger? Yeah, I think there's a couple companies close that are about to do some stuff, but Meta is the one that's at the top of the mountain yelling about the future that we all see.

But it feels like we're not exactly buying in just yet. I like what you described about just the regular glasses that you put on. Yeah. I think that would be really interesting. Do you think people would... Do you have a partnership with Ray-Ban? Did you see those? Oh, no.

It looks like your normal Wayfarers. And they just look like, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, they're like at both ends of it. There's like the Oculus and there's the Ray-Bans, which is like just a camera. Yeah. And they're like, we get this closer to Oculus, we get Oculus closer to this.

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You've seen Ready Player One. Yeah. Just asking if that is what you think the future is. Yeah. That's the future I keep picturing whenever they describe how much time they want us to spend with the headsets on. Seems dystopian, right? I think, though, we still have to think of how much smaller and less immersive the headsets can be. I think we'll get these crazy, weird, wally moments

where we're like, I don't want to have this headset on all day. This reminds me of a dystopian future I don't like. But if the tech gets good enough and small enough, and it is just like you can hit a button on your glasses and it turns on and then it goes away, and it's like a cool thing you can have, then people will be more willing to give it a shot and use it sometimes.

I think they want us to spend all day in it though. Yeah, because if you think of your phone time, your screen time is 7, 8, 6 hours, 9 hours a day. Imagine augmenting it where I don't even, this is a better reality than what I'm in. That's why I don't do the Apple Watch. All these guys have the Apple Watch,

but. It keeps me off my phone, actually. Same thing. Yeah. Does it? Yep. Yeah.

Take your phone out less. Well, but it drops, but you're looking at this all day. Not all day, just when I get a text. What happens a lot of times when I get a text personally,

I look at the text and then, oh, I'm in a wormhole of other things I can look at. Oh. This eliminates that. And I'm going to check

Instagram because it's already open. That barrier is so much smaller. So if you have the watch on, that's like a barrier. You don't take your phone out of your pocket. I get a text. I check it. I don't reply. It's over. And then you don't scroll. And I don't, because if I take my, I get the message,

I feel the vibration. I take the phone out of my pocket. Suddenly I'm in. It's over. I'm in. I'm on TikTok already. My wife this morning asked me to do a thing for her, right? And she has to do this every single time. She goes, Andrew, could you ask about that thing? I take out my phone.

And then 30 seconds later, she goes, did you ask about the thing? And I'm on like Brazzers or something. Yeah, I'm asking about it. But it's so true. You're in a wormhole now. And I didn't notice how sucked in I was without even realizing how secondary the movements were until I put the time limit things on. And I knew that it was limited, but my thumb would just naturally go and click on the icon. Isn't that crazy?

My thumb just has a mind of its own. It's not my fault. And you memorize exactly where the icons are on your home screen and it's just there. You don't even think about it. Yeah, there's these folding phones now, these flip phones, where it's like that little extra barrier of like, you know, there's a screen on the outside, but then you open it and it's the whole phone. So you don't open it,

but you get the text and you see it on the outside and then you just dismiss it and don't open the phone because the second you open the phone, you're in. It's over. It's in. And was that their idea? They want to reduce the amount of time? I don't think that's the primary.

I think it's just a cool tech. That's one of the things I noticed when using a folding phone is I started using my phone less, or at least getting wasting time hours in less. So how do you do less phone time? How do you get caught or stop yourself from getting caught up in the scroll? Personally?

Yeah. My goal, my only thing that I've started doing a few months ago is I start my day without my phone. So I think it's easy to just endlessly scroll and then I get like existential about it and I zoom out and I just like see myself on the couch just like doing nothing. It sucks.

So I like getting out of bed, feet on the ground, start the day without touching the phone. My watch wakes me up actually. It just like taps me on the wrist and I just go, all right, time to get up. Because as soon as I like take the phone off, hit the alarm stop button, suddenly I'm right, all right, time to get up. Because as soon as I take the phone off, hit the alarm, stop button, suddenly I'm right where I was going to be with this.

So that's my thing that I think works kind of well. It's really hard at night to like, because I want to get through all my notifications and emails and everything before I put it down. And so I'm sitting in bed, finishing up, and then suddenly I'm scrolling and I forgot that I was just about to sleep. That part sucks. But that's what I try. How long in the morning without the phone? Just till I get downstairs to like start my day. Can I ask if you had to guess your average screen time? Because it's easy to say, it's part of my job. I do that. My job, I don't even know.

That's our bullshit excuse to ourselves. We work on the internet. Yeah. No, it's a lot. It's like bullshit excuse to ourselves. Yeah. We work on the internet. Yeah. No, it's a lot. It's like seven hours a day. Yeah. It has to be. Do you think, I know when Google Glass launched and also with the Ray-Bans,

the biggest thing for me was it's one thing to tap into a virtual world. It's another thing to be pointing a camera at someone else's face. And I think, get the fuck out of my face. And that camera is the thing that I think a lot of people – that will be a big pushback. Yo, that's a great point. How it affects social interactions when people constantly think that they're being recorded. Yeah. Yeah, that would make me incredibly uncomfortable.

Yeah, it was a – and Google Glass was 2012. Yeah, remember that? Think about cameras on your face in 2012. Like that had no shot. Fuck. That had no shot. That's nerve. Yeah.

Like that had no shot. Fuck. Had no shot. Yeah. And I was in college at the time and I even had a pair of them and I was like, all right, time to give this, you know, possible future a shot. And I'm like, I walk into class with this one. I'm like, I hate myself. Everyone else hated you too.

Yeah. But think about like the fight videos and stuff. Like we have so many good videos. Yeah. Yo, a bit of a pivot. You just brought up college. You were basically famous in college. What is that experience like for you?

Talk about the hoes. Yeah, let's talk about that unboxing. What do you think my male-female percentage viewership is? 70-30 female, judging by your skin, dog. What is it, 90-10? That would be nice. 95-5. That's what I'm talking about, man.

Future is female my ass. It's like, I went to a tech school, I went to, you know, I think the tech audience, too, is like, I can relate. We don't go out much. I'm not in the streets or anything like that. I'm on campus most of the time. So inevitably, yeah, there probably were a few classmates that knew about the videos.

You said you had a professor ask you, why haven't you dropped out yet? In my senior year, I did by that point have a pretty visible channel. And I had a professor in a, I think it was a business class or social media class or something like that, ask like, he literally just asked like, I'm not sure why you haven't dropped out and like done that full time.

And I was like, well, I'm 35 minutes from like finishing the entire college career. Like I might as well just get to the end. But yeah, no, it wasn't actually that crazy. I've gone back to campus actually since then,, it wasn't actually that crazy. I've gone back to campus actually since then, but it wasn't actually that crazy. Yeah, I imagine it's probably what a lot of us go through is like there's certain parts of the world

where you're incredibly famous. Like if you're walking if you're in an Apple store, people are recognizing you. You know what I mean? If you're at the strip club. Nobody. Maybe not. I had a great moment. So the YouTube Creator Summit every year it's like in North America

the top 100 creators all go to one place and YouTube talks to us and explains things and it's great and inevitably every year they go like

while you're here don't post on social media like where we are because like it's a private event and also like your fans will come like that's how this works

so we just want you to know don't post about the hotel but inevitably somebody does. And I just remember we were at this hotel in Brooklyn, and it was the last day, and we were all about to leave. And I called my Uber, and I looked outside the front door of the hotel, and there was, like, 200 screaming little girls, like, we want to see whoever they found out was here. And I was like, this, that's going to be rough. I'm not excited for this. And my Uber pulls out on the street behind them, and I walk out the door,

and I just walk right through the middle of them, and none of them even blink. You're like Moses. Yeah, I just walk right through. And I was like, I know my audience, and this is not my audience. Yeah. Now, okay, I had a thing that I did, but are you familiar with TikTok? Yeah. Okay. Thoughts on TikTok, real quick.

Yeah, it's kind of taken over the world a little bit. So, I have made TikToks. The most viewed piece of content I've ever made is a TikTok. How many views? 35 million views. The thing about tech is it's not universal enough to get 100, 200 million views, but that's still a 35 million views the thing about tech is it's not like universal enough

to get like 100, 200 million views but that's still a lot of views for a piece of tech you know and it was an LG phone like that's crazy

but that's TikTok's algorithm at work is it's willing to surface things and show people things just to try it just to see if they're interested and if it hooks

it hooks but they are behind on the monetization and the creator creature comforts that youtube has been so good at for so long yeah and so youtube is going to let us monetize shorts now next year they're gonna they're showing shorts to people all the time they've kind of started to set the bait for full-time tiktokers to become youtubers and why wouldn't they? There's way more money on YouTube. I think Shorts in the long run

beats out on TikTok. I think TikTok becomes redundant. So I think they can exist at the same time until one of them becomes less cool. Because right now, you open your phone, you open up TikTok, and you just know what to expect when you land there. YouTube is like this app with a bunch of stuff and Shorts. So if you're in the Shorts experience, I think people

just instinctively launch TikTok because that's what they want. Yeah. But yes, it is really easy to just drop right into shorts and see all the same type of stuff and get the same dopamine hit and the same endless scrolling. Yeah. And I think that's great for YouTube. TikTok sounds better too.

Like language plays a part in this a little bit. It does. It's great. It was like Uber sounds better than Lyft, right? And like, let's make some TikTok. Let's than Lyft. Let's make some TikToks. Let's watch some TikToks. Let's make some shorts. Reels? Reels?

Halfway? Better than shorts, probably. But short, I don't love the name of it. That being said, I think that YouTube is where everybody goes. That's our big bet. It was your bet. It's where everybody's going for not only content, but also information. It was your bet. It's like where everybody's going for not only content, but also information.

So while you're already there, you get that dopamine hit from these TikToks. Do you feel pressure? Because you've made, you have, I always ask creators about this. You make longer videos than I make. I mean, think of a special. Think of the longest, the most creative stuff you do.

Do you feel pressure because of how popular short form stuff is to either adapt or like cut down stuff for shorts or try shorts or any of that? I love it because it allows me

to repurpose content. Interesting. So if I have a five minute joke that can be two or three one minute TikToks or reels

or clips now I'm getting to use every part of the buffalo. Yeah. You know so for me it's great and it's great. And it's also like, I think our whole strategy was I can hook you with a minute.

I'm not hooking you with an hour. Right. Like everybody will give you 60 seconds of their time. It might not give you an hour. So if I get 360 seconds of your time, maybe you'll tap into the hour. That's fair. So I use it as like a feeder system. It's like the top of the funnel.

If they like enough shorts, they'll watch longer stuff. Exactly. But there's even a time for you where you would make short, like you would have like short interactions and they would be too short to be like a five minute YouTube video. Yeah. And you'd be like, ah, we just can't put it out. It's not long enough. Yeah. Like that was recent history. Yeah. 90 seconds, it would be a very funny

thing, but it's like, well, nobody's watching on 90 seconds. Yeah, we noticed that like the sweet spot for the videos, if we were putting out like a joke, was like between like three and six minutes or something like that. At the time, yeah. At the time, right? So when we put out something that was maybe like 47 seconds, diminishing returns. But then when we were able to throw that shit up on Instagram, we're now shorts.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of the same thing. I make like the average length of my videos has gone up, but it was like a five five minute video, and now it's like a nine, 10, 11, 12 minute video. And I have lots of ideas where I'm like, this is, I have thoughts on it, but it's not a five minute video.

It's just a few, it's not enough for a video. But I've watched a few of your shorts. I really like your shorts. Those are some of the ideas that we've gone, you know what, this is 60 seconds. And then we can turn it into a thing that maybe is the top of the funnel. And it's similar enough to the longer videos

that it can maybe convert. Still working on that. YouTube's still working on that, but I think that's another advantage over TikTok where if you do other stuff, it works. Whenever I have a guest on and I'm starting to get into trying to understand who they are

so we can have this conversation, a podcast, listening to you on a podcast is going to be the most fruitful for me because it's hard to pretend for a long period of time. Everybody can do 60 seconds where they're on script and they get out this version of themselves that they wish that they were. But an hour, two hours, you get the real sense of who that person is. So that's where I get sense of person. But I'm always looking at myself like, what am I going to first for a guest?

And the first few videos I watched of yours were shorts. And those naturally took me into watching your long videos, or your longer videos. I watched a few, like, reviews. But that wasn't my intention. I was going to watch you on a pod, and the shorts popped up. And then because of the shorts, I watched a longer video. That's the ideal.

That's exactly what YouTube tells us they're going to have happen more often, and I'm hoping it does. It tricked me and I know that's the strategy. I agree that TikTok's benefit is that the second you open the app, you're getting fed content. Whereas with YouTube, you're getting fed choices and choices are paralyzing. I wonder if YouTube could

optimize the UI so that as soon as you open it, depending on your consumption preference, it shows you a short or it shows you a long-form MKBHD video. But they have started to do that. If you notice, in the feed, they'll start playing the video if you sit on it long enough. But the second you open it.

The second you open the app right now, I think they're probably doing this now, is they have one or two long-form thumbnails at the top, and then they'll peek a little shorts tab right above that. And if you get right into that short, you're in. I don't think they can open with the shorts because YouTube's library is still mostly long form stuff and that's the bread and butter of YouTube. But they are sneaking shorts in there.

It's in the recommended a little bit. It's on the homepage like half a scroll down. So they're integrating it. But I don't know if they'll fully dive. I think you get shorts because you actually watch shorts more. And that's why you probably got shorts of his first because I've never got recommended a short. Yeah, I don't. Interesting.

I love shorts. Yeah, I was just scrolling through and maybe they started to pop up. But the reason why I asked you about TikTok is because I went on a rant on Brilliant Idiots as a show I do with Charlamagne Tha God. Yeah. And about how dangerous it was

to have another country's tech influencing us. And basically the idea was you have another country that can gear the algorithm to reward whatever behavior they want, and they could reward behavior that might not be beneficial to the next generation of Americans or whatever other country, and that's why it's dangerous. Then I said that in China, the algorithm is different. It rewards not dumb dancing, but it rewards engineering goals and all these other things. Now, this got picked up by politicians

running for office. It got picked up by State Department people. It got picked up by all these people. I have to tell you something. I made this up. Yeah. I just wanted to come clean to everybody. I made that up completely. I have no proof whatsoever. It just sounded good, and I was passionate.

The show is called Brilliant Idiots. It sounds like something they would do. They definitely cut that. I remember people sending me stuff of a literal politician going, this is how the algorithm works in China. This is how it works in America. I was like, boy, I've got to be careful. Is there any truth

to my absolute bullshit? I think what you're observing is true, but the algorithm, I would step back, because the algorithm from any slash all of these companies, I would always assume to be geared to either make them as much money as possible or maximize your time on the site, happiness on the site, which inevitably keeps you coming back and makes them more money. It's always to keep you on their site.

One point of pushback potentially, China is everything serves the government. It's not about capitalistic making as much money as possible. And they also restrict the access to most of the other internet. So if this is the internet I have, why don't we just funnel them the thing that's going to make the best Chinese citizens? Yes. I think if you even though look at like

Instagram Reels, YouTube Shorts, what they want is you on the site for a long time scrolling, engaging with a lot of stuff. And I think even with ByteDance, when they make their algorithm as good as possible, it's so good because it keeps you engaged. ByteDance is the company that owns

TikTok. And so I think in different places where people have different behaviors, that algorithm feeds them different things because they are responding and engaging with different things. So if those cheesy dances get engagement in the US, then it'll keep serving them more of that.

If it doesn't get engagement somewhere else, it's not like they decided, I don't want you to see these dances. No, they'll show you the dances if you click on them, but they're not engaging with them as much. And it's, it's whatever they engage with is amplified. Now, now what if getting a reaction and a positive reaction becomes part of our culture? So seeking that validation of views is more important than the thing you're doing to get the views. That's very real. Right?

So if that's the case, won't people do whatever that is to do it? And can't you manipulate them based on feeding them, I don't want to say fake views, but making sure that the TikTok is in the search way more than it needs to be? Yeah. It is a theoretical thing that they could do, right? If they decided one day that their ultimate goal was to ruin some election as a company for whatever reason,

they could at the expense of the rest of their engagement decide to feed certain people certain things. But I think still most of these companies, when they're optimizing, trying to make the best product, they're competitive, they're trying to beat the other companies. That's true.

If your app is boring, they're going to get off. Exactly. If you start showing them a bunch of stuff they're not as interested in, or if the algorithm is ruined, and I was seeing all these videos I liked, and then suddenly it changed one day, but the others still seem pretty good. All this stuff also factors in,

and I think that's what they care about the most. I think they want to be the best. Okay, so let's assume they do want to be the best, and they are incredibly competitive. And there is competition out there. It's like I could go on Instagram, I could go on TikTok, I could go on Shorts. You have to give me what I want, ultimately. You have to meet me there. All right.

Is there danger, though, in not being able to curate the algorithm? Like, I'm wondering if they've seen what's happened in America and China, right? You've seen how powerful these tech corporations have gotten. And they go, we're not about to let that happen in China. That's why Jack Ma disappears for a month. You know what I mean? If they're seeing the power and influence of American tech companies and how

they have to be integrated in the government, but almost like the government's like, please Google? Please Facebook? Yeah, I think there is naturally, and there's also what you were saying before about creators seeing what the algorithm is rewarding

and then making content specifically to be picked up by the algorithm rather than just being creative and if it works, it works. I think everyone, and maybe even in long form stuff, this still applies. What Jimmy's doing with retention and what does the algorithm reward? I will create my craft

around maximizing those analytics. You can do that with Shorts and that changes what shows up on the platform. So that is real. That is a real valid danger. And you kind of just have to, like, watch it play out and turn the knobs behind the scenes. I don't know that there's anything we can do,

like, as a few people. Isn't that, as people, no, but I understand why there's a concern from government. I understand at least, let's say it's not happening and there's nothing nefarious about it and it's purely capitalist competition. That's fine. But I do understand why someone in government is like, hold on.

You're saying they can influence what our kids do? We're the only ones supposed to do that. Because please believe America's doing that everywhere else, I would imagine. Trying to, yeah. Yeah. No, that's real.

What about TikTok as a spyware tool? Like being able to look at other apps and other things that you're doing on your phone as a way to monitor citizens and things like that? So they're not supposed to be able to do anything outside of the walls of their app. They will have you make an account, and maybe if you log into that account in a browser, there's a cookie that can follow you and all this stuff.

But as far as what putting that app on your phone can actually give that company, it's not supposed to be very much. And companies like Apple, Google, Samsung that are in charge of the security settings on your device are supposed to have your best interest in mind and make sure you can't be tracked by apps that didn't ask to. Right. You're saying supposed to a lot. Theoretically. It's because I can't see what they're doing behind the scenes, and inevitably there are bad actors and some companies just throw it all out the window and do terrible things.

Got it. But theoretically, yeah, they're supposed to have those barriers in place and they're supposed to do it right. Is there any brand that you won't review or any product or any company that you take a hard line against? It's funny. The process of deciding what to make a video about

as a product reviewer is really interesting because there's lots and lots of products that are fine and they're not that interesting of a video. Then there's products that are really, really cool and you want to make videos about those. Some products are terrible and that's actually worth shining a light on like, hey, don't get this. Here's a PSA or

here's how they'll graduate to the next product. But all the stuff in the middle is like, how do I decide what to make a video on, what's worth? I don't have some hard line in the sand. It's just a matter of finding an angle, finding an interesting thing that can turn into a storyline, into a video maybe. Yeah. But it's just like me crossing my fingers hoping to make good stuff usually.

It's like the Yelp reviews where people give it like a three out of five. What are you doing? When I sort my reviews. This was decent. Yeah, I want to see the five-star reviews. Or a one-star. And the one-star reviews, I don to see the five-star reviews and the one-star reviews. I don't read the three-star reviews. Okay, so there's no company that you're like, I don't think that they're ethically...

No, not really, no. I mean, there probably are some out there, and I just haven't paid attention. My inbox is 99.9999% garbage. And I don't respond to that. They're just boring, terrible products, and I don't care. Like, there's endless cases, battery banks, cables, and stuff that I could make videos on that I just don't. Have you ever had, like, the, you know, Dave Portnoy from Barstool? Yeah.

So he does the, you know, one bite, everybody has a pizza. And, like, he literally can change the trajectory of a pizza place. Like, he does a review, and all of a sudden, they actually tell the pizza place, hey, this is going to be a good review. Make a lot of pizza. Get ready. Because people are going to show the fuck up. That's amazing. Have you ever done that to a product and changed the trajectory of a company?

Oh, that's a great question. So I don't think single-handedly. Okay. But I have, there are several instances of bad products that come out. And I'll make a review of it, and I'll show people how bad it is. And the responses are either, one, the product bombs and I take it off the shelf.

That's happened, that happened with a Chromebook, that happened with a phone. Two, the company goes, hmm, yeah, this was pretty bad, but we'll learn from it and make the next one better. I think that's a win for everybody. Or three, they defend it, and that does not go well for anybody.

That does not go well for anybody. But I also think if a product is that bad, I'm not the only one who's saying those things. There's no way I'm the only one responsible for bringing down or changing the course of your company. I will be one of many people who points out how bad this thing was. What's an example of that? Yeah, I need to know.

Okay, so there's not that much really truly bad tech, but sometimes I'll point out decisions that are particularly user hostile, where you're like, why would you... The new iPad? Well, maybe, but there was a phone that HTC made a couple years ago. HTC doesn't exist anymore.

They don't make phones anymore. But they made a phone with no buttons. Now you know your phone has a power button, volume buttons. They didn't have, they had a fake pressure sensitive area where you'd have to squeeze it to make it work. And then it kind of worked okay,

but it was like the buttons would have been fine. Other gimmicks would have been better. And I just had all of that to say about this phone. but it was like, dude, buttons would have been fine. Other gimmicks would have been better, and I just had all of that to say about this phone. And they were like, yeah, but we don't want to have buttons in the future, so someone's got to start at some point. You won't. They don't exist anymore.

We don't have a future. So, yeah, there are things that come up where, like, and you have to understand, every product, there's, like, this sort of nameless, faceless company behind it. But there's real people that worked on that and that really believe in that thing. And that's tough. Because I will have bad things to say about, not things that don't work well, but choices that they made.

Yeah. Deep cut. I don't think that's a good idea. And there's two guys that are like, fuck. That was my idea. Eight years. I fought for that. I provided for my family with this idea. With this idea, yeah.

Is it tough to stay neutral in that regard? Or like a company that really focuses on giving you products and has been riding with you forever and for you to be like, yeah, this sucks. You guys missed it. Yeah, no, I don't get to feel that anymore. Like I think early days when I was first like, holy shit, I'm getting products sent to me for evaluation for free. Early enough, that was like crazy. And I could see how you'd be like, this thing is bad, but I don't want to say that because maybe they don't send me the next thing. Luckily, I've been in a position for a long time where that doesn't matter anymore.

And so I have to tell the truth about the products, or I'm not doing the job. That's what's up your brain. Exactly. Have they tried to sway you? Yeah. Have they tried to sway you a little bit? They've taken you out to— Professionally.

Professionally. That's many people's job. Talk to me about this. Oh, that's a whole thing. You don't know about this? No, that's the craziest thing. Sorry, they don't care about us. They will try to wine and dine—

Some underwear? That's what we get. No, they'll try. I mean, okay, it's different in different industries, but like car industry is a classic. They'll have, like it's hard to like send you a car. No, no, no, like at the company that makes the car, they'll be like, come out and see the car

and have a nice dinner and stay at a five-star hotel. And like suddenly you're having a great time and driving the car at the track and it's like, all right, now write your review. And you're like, yeah, I'm trying to stay neutral here, but I don't go to any of those because that is not... So you have to say no to those now. I say no to those, yeah.

A lot of companies, I didn't even know that they pay for YouTubers' flights to their events. I had never been offered. You didn't fly yourself. I had never been offered. You were flying yourself. I had flied myself the entire time, and I heard someone else say, like, hey, every YouTuber you know is being flown out to these events.

I was like, really? I didn't know that. I've been paying my way every time to everything, staying in my own hotels. That's a thing they do. All these product companies will try their absolute hardest to make you feel as good as possible going into the event, even an Apple event.

Like, they set a vibe. You walk in, everyone's clapping the event, even an Apple event. They set a vibe, you walk in, everyone's clapping. You've seen the Apple store? They'll clap. They'll be like, yeah, welcome. How are you doing today? Come right in. Little things like that. They want you to feel good. Tony Robbins. Is it Tony Robbins? What's his name? Yeah, Tony Robbins.

That's entire people's jobs, is to make the reviewers feel as good as possible going in. What's the craziest thing you've been offered? Like, craziest trip, craziest whatever. Has it ever just been cash? No, that's not even legal. Yeah, they can't get away with it.

But it's all being like, yo, here's this and three mil in stock. I think that's too egregious, but they might give you that much value or more in something else. Sure. You might try, yeah. It's usually the weird trips. Like, I've never been to this, but I'm pretty sure Intel or there's some, yeah, I think

it's Intel, has a trip to Hawaii every year where they show off their newest processor architecture. Why is it in Hawaii? Is it Ellison, maybe? What does Larry Ellison own? Oracle? Is it Oracle instead of Intel?

Because he owns an island in Hawaii. No, it's like one of the big chip companies. And it's like a summit. And they're like, come on out. Come do some hikes and stay at this hotel. And also, here's a PowerPoint of our newest chips. And you're like, okay. Send me the PowerPoint.

I don't see why I need to go to Hawaii. It's usually not too crazy. It's just like you get, it's PR. Yeah. Like, they have a messaging behind every product. And I think, from my perspective, I always try to understand the public-facing reason for a decision and the behind-the-scenes corporate real reason for every decision. Because every decision they make has that reason, too. So, even the little things. for every decision because every decision

they make has that reason too yeah so even the little things Apple goes we will put the USB-C port

on the new iPad I was watching this video yeah and it's like what's the public facing reason oh well it's a better port right of course

and you're like why didn't you put it on the iPhone and then their corporate behind the scenes reason you were salty about this seriously bro

the video the one freeze frame you got with the fucking cord hanging over the... Dude, that's how people have to charge it now. It's insane. But yeah, so that's like these companies sort of always act in their own self-interest, at least in the U.S., and that's how we have to understand the decisions they make. What was the real reason Apple wanted to do that? They just decided they wanted to charge $450 for an iPad that doesn't deserve to charge

that much for it. So they're doing a bunch of things behind the scenes. Obviously the new port, the new chip, the new color. It's like a slightly updated design. Alright guys, Marques had to teach Andrew how to use AirDrop on his iPhone so it's just the three of us. Let's talk a little about this, as Andrew says.

You guys watched the Jake Paul fight? I watched the highlights. And I think that's all that matters. You know what I mean? I didn't see it live. I couldn't watch it live. Okay, I'm sorry. Oh, I got you.

Did you see the whole fight? I did see the whole fight. Did you really see the whole fight? Yeah, I did see the whole fight, except when the illegal stream cut off. See? Okay. I couldn't get a stream. I lost a round here or there, but I saw the rest of the fight. Okay, all right.

I felt bad there because I was literally leaving the comedy club, and then my friend was showing me on my phone, and I was like, we could try to order it, but then it was getting late, and it was fucking like, I didn't know if it was actually going to come in. And I didn't know he was illegally streaming it, shouts to Kev, until the seventh round. But anyway, point is, Jake was fantastic.

He looks really sharp. Did you watch it, Al? I saw the highlights. Thank you, right? Come on, Akka. What's the absolute fuck? Can I saw the highlights. Thank you, right? That's my guy. Come on, Akka. What the absolute fuck? Can we watch the... We all don't have an illegal stream, okay? Jesus fucking Christ.

Come on. I'm a law-abiding citizen, bro. Yeah. No, you're not. You're not at all. I watched it when we were allowed to watch it, and I will say Jake... Christ almighty. Jake looked excellent.

Shut the fuck up. He looked amazing. Miles, did you watch the fight? Who gives a shit? I haven't eaten in 24 hours. Yeah, I know. You are feisty. I know.

You look great, though. If you watch the highlights on two times speed, Silva and Paul, yo, that was a brawl, bro. Like, those punches are so fast. Can I tell you how stupid you guys are? It was one of the best fights I've ever seen. I'm not even bullshitting. It was fantastic. That means nothing I've ever seen. I'm not even bullshitting. It was fantastic.

That means nothing to me, coming from you. I'm a fight novice, for sure. I'm a fight novice, for sure. But what's the best fight you've ever seen? I'll tell you why it's better. I've seen Tyson fights.

Tyson fight who? I've seen many Tyson fights, and they were great. I actually seen the fight where Tyson bit the ear off. You saw it live? No, not live. Like on TV. You know why this fight was better? That one there was no winner

or loser. Tyson bit an ear off. He didn't really get a real fight. Not a full fight. This is better than that. He didn't believe that. He did. He crumbled. Can we talk about this actual fight though? Do you still think you could beat Jake Paul? Jake Paul? Jake Paul?

I said when he was here. If I trained for a couple months, hell yeah. So why are you saying his punches are slow? They're slow, bro. Jake Paul was fantastic. Like, a 47-year-old man was dipping his punches, bro. A 47-year-old, the greatest MMA fighter of all time, possibly. Yeah, he was dipping his punches. Of course he was. Saw a 23-year-old, the greatest MMA fighter of all time, possibly. Yeah, he was

dipping his punches. Of course he was. Saw a 23-year-old zooming down. Yeah, you're going to dip some punches in an eight-round fight. You know, people keep

bringing up Jake Paul as 26 like he started training when he was 11. Yeah. He's been training boxing for like three, four years. That's why I think I can take it.

And he's beating professional fighters. Yeah. And Anderson's also decent. Like, people point out like the Tito Ortiz thing, and they're like, oh, man, how bad was Tito, whatever. I'm like, he was an excellent striker throughout his whole career, and yeah, he's 47, blah, blah, blah.

I think Jake had a great challenge. It stepped him up from where he was before. He met the challenge. And now I'm like, I'm invested in the whole career. As far as, like, first six fights in a professional boxing career, I don't know any other boxer that's had a more competitive first six fights. And Jake kind of fucked him up a little bit. How many others?

Bro, his first fight was against a basketball player. Yeah, and that wasn't that competitive. Ben Astrid wasn't competitive. Ben Astrid wasn't competitive. But what other fighters, I'm saying, are in that level that are doing the same thing? Now a third of his fights are gone. I'll tell you what. All right. He's fought tougher competition a third of his fights are in call. I'll tell you what. All right.

He's fought tougher competition than Creed. Creed was fighting in Mexico. Creed was fighting in Mexico. 18 pro fights in Mexico? That's not pro. Jake Paul, that's Ben Askren. He fought Ben Askren 18 times. All right.

I don't really know about most boxers' first six fights, I'll be honest. That's fair. But with that being said, you look at- No, no, but that's a good point because Jake Paul said the exact same thing here, so he just spouted it off like he thought of it.

But you look at anyone's first six fights, and it's like, all right, it's not Anderson Silva. It's not Tyron Woodley. Hey, I'll give it to him. He fought Anderson Silva.

He did his thing. He won. Kudos to that man. You're not giving it to him. I'm giving it to him. I can tell by your subtext you're not giving it to him. No, I'm giving it to him.

The subtext is, I'm going to give it to him, but what's the but that you're not saying, you him. I'm giving it to him. I can tell by your subtext you're not giving it to him. No, I'm giving it to him. The subtext is, I'm going to give it to him, but. What's the but that you're not saying, you fuck? The but is if I train for a couple months. I'm just saying. You might get a but. Yeah, I agree. You train for a little.

I'm just saying. I train for a couple months. But, good thing, I did put my money on him because I did think he would win. I thought Anderson Silva was too old, past his prime. Oh, you put money on Jake. I did. he would win. I thought Anderson Silva was too old to pass his brown. Oh, you put money on Jake? I did. Good for you, dude.

I'm like, at the end of the day, I want to make some money. Yes. And I thought he was going to win. I see you. Yeah. But yeah,

I'm excited for Jake's next fight. I'm like invested. At this point, I'm like, well, they're already setting it up, I think, right? Yeah.

Did you guys see this? Apparently, Jake Paul, someone in his camp got into it with Nate Diaz. Yeah, I heard that. So it's like, we're setting up the next fight. Yeah, yeah. And to me, as obvious promo as that is, I still think it's going to be a great fight.

Yeah. And again, I'm no expert, but just very much as a novice, there was a lot of action back and forth in this fight. Sure, I've seen like four fights. It's the best fight I've ever seen. What do you want from me? Son. I've seen four fights.

No, it's nothing. Son, son. No, no, no. Not one, not two, not three. I've seen four fights. Boxing or nothing. No, no, no. Not one, not two, not three. I've seen four fights. Boxing or MMA? Three of them were in Crete. And one and two.

And the fourth one was this one. No, but actually, I'm not bullshitting. It was a good fight. It was a fun fight to watch. I saw NFL athletes tweeting, black ones, like, this is a great fight. So they must know. If Dez Bryant is saying it, you're going to argue with Dez Bryant? I'm not going to argue with Dez Bryant. saying it I'm not you're gonna argue with Dez Bryant I'm not gonna argue

with Dez Bryant yes how are the Cowboys doing Cowboys are doing so much better than I thought they'd be doing no how are they doing

they're 6-2 oh shit really yeah they're 6-2 and they actually have a good defense and they actually the Eagles are like the best team still

right now but the Cowboys I don't ever want to believe in them again because I'm expecting to get my heart ripped out, but they look really fucking good. The defense looks incredible. Dak was

hurt for like five weeks and they went 4-1. So they're like good. Did any of my Jets or Giants give them one of their losses? No, we beat the Giants. Jets are looking good too. You can't say both teams. No, I'm both teams. I'm New York. I can beat Jets and Giants. He's not a sports fan. You can't beat Knicks and Nets. I'm New York.

He doesn't even think the Jake Paul fight was the best fight he's ever seen. What does this guy know? This guy knows nothing. You know nothing. First of all, it was the exhibition. Wasn't it? What? The Jake Paul fight. No. It wasn't an exhibition. It wasn't even a full fight. It wasn't 12 rounds. No, but I think it was sanctioned.

I'm not answering because I don't know. If we're being honest. No, it was like a professionally sanctioned fight I'm not answering because I don't know. If we're being honest. No, it was like a professionally sanctioned fight. Oh, it really was. They had like weigh-in with like the Arizona State Sports Commission. I made that up. But you know what? What? Did I say that? So it's not the bullshit

that like his brother fought with Mayweather. No, that, come on. Like that was just like we got to hold back. That fight was not as good as this one because I didn't see that one. Anyway, the real winner here is still Al, which frustrates me because he bet. Yeah.

He did. Come on, bro. Yeah. I didn't bet on this. I bet on football and got my ass washed. You're an idiot. I bet on the Lakers. You bet on the Lakers?

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Use that promo code FLAGRANT. Well, this is something Andrew always brings up, actually, with the newer—oh, I guess you hear this a lot, but like the newer iPhone, the newer whatever. How much can they really do? At a certain point, I got an iPhone 12, the 14 came out, they're giving it to me for free and I'm still like,

man, I'm gonna change plans to get this fucking phone. How much further can you push a phone? What do they do? Is it a lot of that with the iPad? For sure.

Smartphones are what I would call mature. Yeah. So 10 years ago when we got the first really good smartphones, the difference between the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5 was massive. Right. Like a lot of these things were like relatively significant monumental updates. 3S to 4 in FaceTime.

Crazy. Yeah. Huge features. Yeah. And now, yeah, smartphones, you know, enough billions of dollars have been poured in that like we've arrived at a pretty great form factor. And at this point, they're differentiating themselves by priorities and decisions. Oh, this one's got the big battery.

Oh, this one's got six cameras on the back or whatever. So I think you're not going to see probably ever again a massive leap in specifically smartphones. So the thing that's interesting about the iPhone is that, or Apple in general, is they will other people who use different products, but they'll also other their own consumers, right? So it's like when the new phone would come out, it would have one thing that made the other obsolete. Yeah. When that FaceTime came out, if you didn't have someone try to FaceTime you, that shit wouldn't go through. You felt poor, bro. They made you feel a way. And I think that's a great point.

It's like adding a fourth camera on the back. Make it square. They went rounded, square. It's like they're running out. One that was like rubber and then the one that was metal. They're really good at this. Apple is good at this and a lot of other companies try to do this. I almost made a video about this.

I don't know how to frame it yet. But they create these ladders where you get the baseline product, and it's good enough for 90-something percent of people, and that's probably the one you should get. But then if you turn to the side a little bit, there'll be one that's a little bit shinier that is a little bit more expensive.

iPhone versus iPhone Pro. Yeah, or even the iPad lineup right now is a $330 iPad, and then a $450 iPad that has a nicer design, square, it's got USB-C, better screen, a little bit bigger screen. Okay, I can get this one.

Oh, but this one's only 64 gigs. So I should probably get the updated storage one. Oh, that's $599? Oh, but the iPad Air is $599. Okay, I'll get the iPad Air. Okay, now the iPad Air is 64 gigs. Then you're like, okay. I updated to get more storage.

Now the updated iPad Air is $700. Suddenly you're spending. So they just slowly walk you up the ladder one at a time. It's soda and popcorn at the movies. Yeah. You know what I mean? Would you like X with that? Would you like Y with that?

Would you like Z with that? Yeah. Oh, well, if you're paying that much, you should just get the bigger thing. Yeah, that's exactly right. Just get the meal. You'll get pretzels with it. Do companies ever ask to see your review before you put it up? They do sometimes, and I never do.

It's against my own personal policy. And I think some of them say in their videos, but yeah, when that review goes live, the company is seeing it at the same time that everyone else is. A lot of them really pester and ask, how do you feel about it? What do you think?

What are you going to say? Is there anything we can help you with? They're trying to prepare PR-wise. They have meetings. They're like, okay, we gave you the phone a week ago. It's been four days. Let's get on a call. Tell us what you think.

Tell us what you have problems with. And they'd like to have the opportunity to, of course, fix any problems or anything like that. If I had a huge problem with something, they could be like, oh, that's actually not supposed to be like that. That's not normal. That's going to be fixed in a software update. Or actually, let's get you a new unit, whatever.

It was broken. So that makes sense. But they always use that time to try to explain things and fix the way you see something so you present it a certain way in the video. Very common. But I never show anyone anything that I make until it's done. Have they ever asked you to consult on the design team? Yeah, and that would be a weird thing because of my relationship.

I try to stay objective, obviously, and if I helped work on something personally behind the scenes, it would be kind of weird. I've always given feedback about devices that come out, and then in the next version, a lot of times the product manager will say to me, like, hey, remember you said the vibration motor sucked on the Razer Phone 2?

Check this one out. Oh, wow. And I actually feel the difference, and it's like, cool, they listened to what we're saying. That's how you consult on the design. Basically, yeah. It's retroactive. The review is my feedback, yeah.

Okay, you know how athletes have sneakers, right? Mm-hmm. Why has nobody approached you about, or have they approached you about, okay. Yeah, it's tough. I've been asked by a couple at this point. Would it be a phone? Well, that's the natural one is a smartphone because I've done so many smartphones. But it'll just be like.

Isn't that the MKBHD iPhone? The phone that's like hopefully a great phone, right? It would be a great phone. It has your distinct little features. A couple things that are a bit different. But it is an iPhone. The phone that's like hopefully a great phone, right? It would be a great phone. It has your distinct little features. A couple things that are a bit different. But it is an iPhone. The adjustments that you want to make and limited run. They make a thousand of them or whatever it is.

I would buy that for sure. I mean. It's hard to do both. But it's a flex, dude. It's such a flex. The thing about these products is the life cycle of how long it takes to make one is longer than you think. For example, like the iPhone 14 came out in September. They've been

working on the iPhone 15. And it'll probably be done in three months. And they'll have to work on the logistics of starting to get it made and starting to get all the decisions and the packaging and the PowerPoint and all that. But the lead time and the run-up before something is done and shipped is very masked. And you don't see that.

So in being asked to work on a smartphone, I think one of them, I won't say the company, but they were like, we've got this phone that's like two-thirds done, and you could move the button placement a little bit and pick some colors, and you could call it your phone. And I was like, that's not really, that doesn't feel meaningful. And they're like, all right, well, the next one is like two years out. So I was like, okay, I guess we're not doing it.

So it is, it's a longer process than I think we realize. And that would be a pretty major undertaking to actually have like a ground zero start to deciding how a smartphone is. Build us your phone real quick. I've made this video in the past, but like my dream phone is just combining

other good pieces of other phones. So I would take the screen from the S22 Ultra. It's incredible. But then I would take the chip from the iPhone, and I would take the charging from Xiaomi's phone, and I would take the cameras, the chip, sorry, the CPU, Xiaomi. Xiaomi.

Xiaomi is a Chinese company. You don't know Xiaomi? Not technically. Xiaomi? Xiaomi makes some crazy fast charging phones. Xiaomi. Xiaomi is a Chinese company. You don't know Xiaomi? Not technically. Xiaomi? Xiaomi makes some crazy fast charging phones. Okay. The iPhone is one of the slowest charging phones in the world. You probably don't care because it's fine.

Maybe you're using the USB-A. That's slower. I don't know if you know that. The USB-C is a little faster than that. All the iPhones are slow charging. 15 watts, just for some context. You guys know Xiaomi? You know that phone? They don't know that shit, bro. Alex don't know that. Alex thought it was Tequindone. I know, just for some context. You guys know Xiaomi? You know that phone?

They don't know that shit. How fast does Xiaomi start? I know Huawei. Huawei. Huawei. Huawei. Huawei. Similar.

They're competitors. I know Plus One. Again, India. OnePlus? Yeah, yeah. OnePlus. You guys are just bobbing. You guys are inept.

Okay. But like, your phone might charge in an hour. Zero to 100 in an hour. That's pretty good, right? Xiaomi phone will drop like 100 watt charging and charge up in like 17 minutes. Zero to 100 in 17 minutes.

Wow. Which seems insane. Like I would take that from that phone. Right, yeah. I would take the cameras. Does that fatigue the battery over the long term? Theoretically, no. Because it's all heat management.

Like, heat's bad for batteries. And pumping tons of power into a battery is going to generate heat, but they will go overboard on cooling and make sure it's like, oh yeah, this thing never gets hot. So theoretically, no. That's kind of all I can tell. But you use the phones and you charge it up and it's crazy fast. I just think it's so convenient to like, oh, I've got 20% and I'm about to go out.

Let me just plug it in for three minutes and it's at 60. That's all I needed. Okay, so you said cameras from? Cameras, I would combine the Pixel and the iPhone's cameras right now. I would take the still photos from the Pixel and the videos from the iPhone. And then operating system? I would take Android from the Pixel. Over Apple?

Yeah. Yeah. And this is like a personal preference, but I'm a customization guy. I like messing with the way my phone looks. That's what I've heard. If you look at the phone like a computer and you want to customize, then Android. And if you're like us, you just want to text. Every iPhone home screen looks the same.

It's 40 whatever icons, folders, that's it. But the seamlessness, though, like between all the products of an iPhone. That part is nice. I would, you know, there are kind of pseudo other ecosystems that work similarly. And I think like Apple's ecosystem is pretty good. But as far as like, I use a smart speaker. Google makes one of those. I use like a smart doorbell and a smart camera.

There's Google versions of that. So there's another ecosystem that works. There are other ecosystems you can make it work, yeah. So I wouldn't be missing like the HomePod or anything like that. Oh, dude, they got to let you make a phone. That'd actually be a really cool experiment. I'm trying to see what outside company would do that, where they would make this mutant phone. Yeah.

There's also a difference, though, between the mutant phone that I would want for myself and the mutant phone that I think people would buy. Oh, would work. Yeah. Okay, so what's the people buy? Because the one that people would buy would be closer to, like, Asus makes a phone called the Zenfone 9. Okay. I would take, it's a smaller phone, it's got a great fast screen,

but I would take a fast screen from, like, a smaller iPhone. Like, give me the iPhone Pro 120 Hertz OLED in that Asus Zen phone. So I'd start with a smaller body. I'd go with a smaller camera and I'd make a little bit of a cheaper phone because the phone I want would be like $3,000. It would be all the nicest things from every phone. Of course, of course. But the phone that I would make would probably be, you'd have to be competitive with price. That's part of the things people want in a good phone. So it would be $900. You could just do the Apple thing where you sell that one and then walk us up to $3,000. That's true.

Has anyone Frankensteined this and actually put that battery into an iPhone? No, it's tough. These phones are so tightly packed. You can kind of maybe, if you want, do... Well, I mean, yeah, they're all kind of just built. If you like the Samsung screen, you can't get that screen on another phone. If you like the Google camera, that's the only one. I'm so sorry.

I'm like, I'm so curious. You're at this point where you have so much consumer trust, right? And usually when you have consumer trust in an industry, not usually, but a lot of people go turn that into consumer goods. You're in this perfect position where everybody goes, hey, he tells us the truth about the product.

Now, if you put out a consumer good that sucks, they'll lose all faith in you. Gone. But if you put out a consumer good that is good, that trust continues and you're monetizing it on the other side. Have you thought about putting out a headphone or any type of piece of tech? It is the natural evolution of what I've, for a long time, been thinking about this. it is the natural evolution of what I've, for a long time I've been thinking about this. I don't know what that product would be yet because of the behind the scenes

that I've observed in so many of these categories where I want that level of input, but I don't know if it's possible to do exactly what I want. But yes, I think the obvious way of capitalizing on this trust is to make a product somewhere in the sphere of things that I review.

Yes. And I wouldn't even look at it as like only capitalizing. It's like providing the product that you know the people want. Filling something that doesn't exist yet. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the phone is hard, but there's lots of accessories.

There's lots of, and even some of my fellow creators have made really interesting things like cases or laptop stands, things like that. There's cool stuff out there, which is nice. And they're actually unique and really useful because they're a creator and they think what we want, I want that too. So yeah, there's definitely for sure, it's going to happen. I just don't know what it is yet.

You have the best online store because then you don't need to worry about that product. You can't push your product if you know that there's actually better products that have been developed because of all the money that's behind them. But an online store of your best reviewed items. And honest review too, like what you wish you did different about it. That's what I pictured. I was like, I need to review my own phone and then say the things

that need to be said about the phone because other people are going to review it too and they're going to find the same thing. This hurts to say because I fought really hard for this. Exactly. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, they's interesting.

They say the tech that we're using now, the government has tech that's light years away. Have you ever seen some shit that has blown your mind? A little bit. I think I asked Neil deGrasse Tyson kind of a similar question along the same lines, and he's like, yeah, there's endless examples in the space programs and things like that. As far as what I've seen, basically a lot of these companies, as part of their showboating a little bit and making you feel good, they'll show you the behind the scenes of things and unreleased products and what went into making some stuff.

I've seen some stuff that is really far out that they started with, and then they sort of shave down into a normal looking product. Some of that is really curious like in the car world there's crazy concepts in the uh laptop world come on give us a little something the car under the tarp that i can't talk about you know there's a lot of those that are like yeah we started with this and sometimes they show that at like ces they'll show you like a crazy concept car that's never going to exist and they'll go,

damn, that'd be kind of cool. And then that car never ships but then a year later, one with the same name will ship that looks kind of a little bit like it but not really. I remember Nokia did a YouTube video about how they were going to make a phone

that you could like change the shape of it, it charged from the sun. It like wraps around your wrist. You wrap around your wrist and all that. And I was watching it the first time because I thought it was so cool. Then I watched it again and I was like,

this phone's never coming out. Never happening. Elon Musk is the one that says he wants the prototypes to look like the real thing. So the Cybertruck is coming out

when it looks exactly like. I think that's smart. Because that's the real thing. Lots of companies they'll make a sweet looking concept car and it never comes out. And then the car,

like Porsche did this with the Mission E and it was like, that's a sick looking crazy electric car for their first EV. And then the car like porsche did this with the like mission e and it was like that's a sick looking like crazy electric car for their first ev and then the taikan came out and it was like a normal looking car but it had the wheels from the concept car semiconductors in taiwan and china what happens if that shit goes down all right guys we're gonna take a break real quick so i can tell you about ag1 i started taking ag1 because it's a quick way to be healthy. Mark

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So get your tickets at akashsingh.com. Now let's get back to the show. Semiconductors in Taiwan and China. What happens if that shit goes down? What is that about? There's just like, there's so much reliance on the chips that other countries make. Like there's these fabricators and all these companies that make the processors that other countries make. There's these fabricators and all these companies that make the

processors that are in everything. Cars have tons of chips in them that we don't even know about that operate the computers and operate the drivetrain and all this stuff. If we don't have those and there's a chip shortage, we have a car shortage now. We just can't make the cars. Can we produce them here or is it just too expensive?

That's the goal. There was even a recent bill passed called CHIPS Act, I think is what it's called, that is supposed to incentivize and reward companies from making things locally here so that there's more. So there's tax breaks if you're doing it here. Exactly. So that hopefully we don't have this huge reliance on these other countries and other companies. Yeah. So it's a little scary because, yeah, sometimes there are shortages and it's just like, well, I guess we don't have a clue. Sagar mentioned it as well.

It's like Taiwan, one factory is responsible for the majority of it. It's not like you can catch up. They're 10 years ahead. That's the tough part. It takes a lot of money to catch up. And isn't part of the issue the materials and the mining form

and China has access to all of Africa, pretty much. Yeah, there's probably also a little bit of exclusivity, too, and I kind of hear about this sometimes, which is where one company will recognize their position and realize that if another company wants to compete, they just have to go to this other supplier over here, so we're just

going to buy up all their supply, buy up all their supply, buy up all their supply. Now no one can compete with us. And they'll do that on purpose to protect their position, but it's their supply, buy up all their supply, now no one can compete with us. And they'll do that on purpose to protect their position, but it's also like, well now if you guys mess up a little bit, nobody can come along and fix it or do anything better than you did. So that sucks. Yeah, there's no incentive to improve

when you have no competition. Exactly. Yeah, I'm curious, who do you think, in your opinion, is the greatest tech entrepreneur of all time? Tech entrepreneur, interesting. Does tech entrepreneur of all time? Tech entrepreneur. Interesting. Does Elon count as an entrepreneur? I think so, yeah.

I think he kind of swoops into companies that are on their way and makes a huge difference. But maybe if an entrepreneur is someone who started a company. Dang. Entrepreneur. I don't know that any of the people I'm thinking of are truly starting the companies. Jobs? The ones that come to mind, entrepreneur. I don't know that any of the people I'm thinking of are truly starting the companies.

Jobs? The ones that come to mind, yeah. Jobs is fundamental to Apple's formative years, and he's a big reason why they are what they are. Then to open it up, I guess, tech pioneer. Yeah, it's probably Elon. Elon, really? Yeah, it's just the vision he has to have for the future. And I

specifically look at Tesla when I look at that. It's just like the reason every single other car company in the world, which is a hundred years old, is going, oh, we need to change what we're doing. It's because of what that company did and proved that electric cars could be cool and useful and actually a better car. He said something in your interview. He was really harping on how competitive the car industry was. Yes. But he said it almost like it was some mafia shit. He kind of laughed at himself a little bit.

He was like, yeah, it's really hard. Yeah. This is really competitive. Do you know what he's really trying to say? I think he's saying every car company in the U S other than Ford and maybe one other one has either died or been bailed out by the government. Like it's super easy to just run out of money. Yeah.

And so I think he's like very proud of the fact that Tesla didn't die or run out of money. They've been very close and have needed government subsidies, but it's hard to make a car company. And what other new car companies can you think of that suddenly have the mass market, like Prius of California? They're all old companies, they've been around forever. So making a new car company, and in 15 years,

being ubiquitous on the streets all over the world is really hard. Unbelievably impressive. Really hard. Beat that system. Like the one thing, like the mafia, you have to buy a car through a dealership. And he went over that whole thing. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

I think a lot of that is like the way of thinking. And that could probably bite him a lot too, which is like the way it's being done right now, that doesn't have to keep going. We don't have to do it the way it's always been done. Yeah. And usually, usually that's actually, there's something to it. the way it's always been done. Usually, that's actually there's something to it. Dealership model kind of sucks. He was right. I would rather buy my car and customize it online

and just pick it up when it's ready. He just makes more money. We cut out this commission we're paying this guy. Why did the dealership model develop? Dealership model is terrible. What was it? I don't know exactly how it started, but

now it's just like, yeah, dealers are separate companies and car manufacturers aren't allowed to sell to consumers. Their own cars. Yeah, so they sell them to dealerships and then dealerships sell the car. At the MSRP, the manufacturer's suggested retail price, the sticker price, but the dealership can just haggle, do whatever they want.

Probably like alcohol, like an alcohol company can't own a bar and it has to go to a distributor. Maybe that was the easiest way to grow it. Chevy couldn't necessarily afford to have 10,000 dealerships across America maybe, but if a guy's like, yo, let me have the dealership, I'll sell you cars and get more Chevys out on the road. And then again, before the internet,

there was middlemen everywhere. So you just needed a middleman to be like hey let me sell this car and then I'll get a commission and then you're just slowly just getting rid of all but making it illegal

to sell your own car just seems absurd there is probably some monopoly protection built in or something like that I don't know because of state franchise laws these laws protect

independent car dealers by prohibiting manufacturers from selling cars directly to consumers. I guess it's just for protection for someone that's going to be Okay, so Elon is number one. Now, you said

something interesting about how he swoops in at the right time. Yeah. I think the majority of people, myself included, see Elon as a true engineer. He's in there doing the math problems with everybody. But it's impossible for him to do that with four different businesses. So what do you think the difference

between the perception from the layman's and the people who actually know what's going on? Yeah, I think there's a couple different types of company leaders. And my favorite one is the product guy who knows a lot about the product, cares deeply about how good the product is, and has a vision for what that should be.

And then the company serves that vision. And I think Tim Cook might be an example of the ruthless supply chain guy, where he's the business guy. Stock price has never been higher, but now you're not necessarily as inspired by the new products or visions from the company. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or less creative than Steve. Exactly. He's not thinking at all about the logistics. There was a famous story of weeks before the iPhone was going to launch, they had a plastic display, and they're like, guys, we need it to be glass capacitive. Go. And they're like, that's impossible.

We're launching this in two weeks. It's already done with the plastic screen. He's like, it has to be glass, do it. And it's like, that's not going to work, guys. But the product guy was like, this is going to be better and we've got to do it right and this is the way it should be done. Where it's like, I don't know necessarily what Tim Cook would have done in that situation, but it's like,

Tim Cook's going to find a way to get all the supply chain stuff together to make sure they can make enough, to make sure they have their margins high enough, and that's what he will, and their stock price will be through the roof because they'll make tons of money, but the products won't be the same. So then don't you need a Tim Cook and a Steve? Yeah. Like don't you need almost like a creative wild man? Hopefully they're side by side.

I mean it tends to be a hierarchy where like you got one guy at the top and that's the sort of way things go. But I do like going to a company where they're like, yeah, we've got, here's this guy, he's the boss. And within a minute or two of talking to that person, I know if he's a product guy or a design guy or an advertising guy or a supply chain guy. Besides Tesla,

what are some companies where at the head is a product guy? Product guy. There's a car company called Lucid that I've talked to recently. Those are dope. Incredible behind the scenes and really great technology that they care a lot about. And I had the guy walk me through every single thing. He opened up a battery pack in front of me and pointed at things and explained things. I was like, this guy cares about the product.

And there's some people, let's see if I can think. So Sundar is Google. Satya is Microsoft. Bezos, not anymore. I feel like a lot of these guys are really good, ruthless business leaders. And then right underneath them is all the product guys. And they have to convince that guy about the product. Oh, that's it? But that's kind of interesting.

Like, I wonder what's the better way. Is it the, is it the Steve at the top and then him convincing your business guys of the ideas, or is it better to have one business guy at the top and then your creatives doing everything they can to convince? Yeah. I think you can get carried away with a Steve if he has too many ideas that aren't actually going to work. You need someone to check him. And you need someone who can go, not that one, not that one. This is the Kanye thing. Yeah. He will be incredibly successful when he's accompanied with an Adidas

or an actual business that has distribution, that has the factories, and they can say, we're not going to do that. We're going to make this product. You said yes yesterday. We all agreed. And they need to be able to do that. We're going to make this product. You said yes yesterday. We all agreed. And they need to be able to push that line a little bit. But if you just keep going over the line over and over, there's no point in the other party existing.

So you need them to be able to offer some flexibility and figure things out. I think you need both. You definitely need both. What do you think about Stem Player? I only got to use it briefly, and it was kind of cool. Yeah. And the idea of being able to mix your own version of a song, it's cool.

It was like a cool toy. Yeah. I don't know that it was some genius thing that was going to, I guess people think it's genius when it sells a bazillion copies or whatever. Right. I think it was just a cool toy. It felt like a toy. It didn't feel like this was going to change the way that we listen to music.

But Kanye said he wants to create a phone. He said that with Lex. He was like, I want to was just a cool toy. It felt like a toy. It didn't feel like this was going to change the way that we listen to music. But Kanye said he wants to create a phone. He said that with Lex. He was like, I want to get into products. Yeah. Hope he makes a phone. Review the Kanye phone. With him there. Just start trashing his phone.

Man. No, there's some weird phones that come out that are like, because there's a lot of gimmicks now. Like what you were saying, most phones are complete. They're pretty much, you can predict what it's going to do well. It's going to last one day on battery. It'll take decent 12 megapixel shots. It'll make phone calls, got a camera, a screen, whatever.

I think a lot of them see the opportunity to jump in smartphones and go, if we just make another phone that's also fine, people are just going to keep buying the other phones. So we need to do something, anything, but something that's different, that separates it. And I've seen companies lean on like crazy design. It'll be a really good phone, but then they'll take some sacrifice for a crazy design.

Flips. You're like, hmm. Or you have the folding thing. There's the nothing phone, which has lights on the back. There's these weird things that they'll just try, just to see. Lights on the back? Yeah, it looks...

You can see all the inner parts of it. Yeah, it's got a clear glass back. Where you get to see the mechanisms. A little bit. It's like, they have some fake innards in there, but yeah, it looks like a transparent back, and it's got lights and things like that. They tried. It's like they have some fake innards in there, but yeah, it looks like a transparent back, and it's got lights and things like that. They tried.

That's cool. And I think that's where you'll see the real weirdo phones. I'm picturing a Kanye phone just being like, it's a normal phone except insert crazy thing here. It's going to have some weird twist, because there's no way he just makes a normal phone, right? This has to be insane. So that's curious.

I think you need to put out a phone, man. Bare minimum products that are like, I like the idea of a laptop holder. What is it? A stand? Like a laptop stand or cases and these type of things that are around the products that you're using and improving them. But all that building up to your own phone.

Have you ever regretted a review? Like did a review and then looked back and been like, I wasn't really fair or they really improved and I was too harsh. I don't know that I fully regret an entire video. But there are little pieces of reviews where I'll either look back and be like, I probably should have given more weight to the reason they did something or the other option that they had

like I'll say I don't like something and I won't give an alternative because that's one of the things that happens a lot where it's like I don't think they should have done that okay well what should they have done instead and I don't have a good answer it's easy to just say this is bad and that'll often come from the people who worked on the thing.

They'd be like, we had to do it this way because here are the four other options, and here's why they all sucked. I'm like, okay, I don't, yeah, I get it. So maybe that's a little bit of regret, but I think I try to have a conscious effort now of going, okay, why did they do this? Because there's, again, the corporate reason, there's a public-facing reason,

let's figure out what those reasons are and then talk about it. Yeah. And do you wish that you could have reviewed a piece of technology back in the day? Like when the first Apple computer came out or Macintosh or the internet, like the first time you got on Netscape. Have you ever thought about that?

I did the Retro Tech series, which was a little bit of that, but I also feel like it's fun now because there's so much good tech. Maybe those older days of tech were more formative and more big leaps trying new things. Yeah. But I kind of like now that there's so much random stuff that's just good. Okay.

Just good tech. Listen, I know we don't have all day with you. You're a very busy man. But before we end this, I really need to understand why you think this Dolly program doesn't suck. Can we talk about AI in general? Yeah, yeah. Let's have a little AI discussion. And that you're not going to exist in five years because AI is just going to do reviews for you.

I've already submitted that there's enough high-definition video of me and my voice online that I will inevitably be cloned and deep-faked into oblivion and I won't need to exist. It's just a fact. All and I won't need to exist. It's just a fact. All of us won't need to exist. This is where I don't get it. Because they tried to do this. They tried to do a stand-up special only done in AI. I think Netflix tried to pull it out.

Really? Did it suck? Well, I mean, I think it was on par with a lot of Netflix specials. It was actually really above the reviews. But there was no jokes. There was nothing. They didn't understand the math of a joke because a lot of ways a joke isn't only math, right? And your reviews aren't going to be only math, right?

So there's nothing human in it, and that's what we, I think, appreciate even if we're reviewing tech. Somebody's like, oh, I like the way that guy does it. He has a charm to him. Yes. So when you said this program, Dolly, which you guys should describe to the people listening right now because there's no way

I can fucking describe it. Dolly? Dolly? Okay. Don't laugh. Dolly by OpenAI. Basically it's just a prompt. It's a text box field. You put in whatever text you want and it will generate from scratch an image that resembles whatever you type. And you can be as

detailed as you want. You can add adjectives. You can add actions, things like that. You could just type in horse flying a helicopter. And it will just make an image, actually a bunch of images, of what it thinks a horse flying a helicopter would look like. Which is pretty cool

because it's looking at all these other different photos that exist on the internet. It figures out what a horse is. It figures out what a helicopter is. It figures out what flying means, which means it'll probably put it in the helicopter, like at the controls, and then add some context, like a sky, and it's actually really impressive, so there you go. You don't even really see, yeah, there's a horse, isn't it? Sure. Horse flying a helicopter. And some of them are rough.

This sucks. I'm not even kidding. Because they're not that great. Can I be honest with you? What? You see that this sucks, right? Most of them are actually not that great, but I've given it some really simple prompts

where it was kind of just like fun to get a creative start to making something. Like we have a graphic designer at our studio where it's like, we'll give just a random prompt of like a thumbnail idea

and we get more ideas from Dali, and then we go, ah, that actually, this framing where you have the helicopter above the camera instead of just next to it, maybe let's try something like that. So you get ideas from it, but then we always go back to the human thing. But also the tech world is reacting to the potential of the tech,

whereas you guys are reacting to the current state of tech. No, this sucks, but I do think robots will kill us all. Go on Netscape. Go on Netscape back in like the 90s. You'd be like, the internet's stupid. No, that shit was fire. No, no, I know. No, you said, but I do think robots will kill us all. Go on Netscape. Go on Netscape back in the 90s. You'd be like, the internet's stupid. No, that shit was fire. No, no, I know. No, you said it was stupid.

You said it was the library. I never said it. I know I said it. That shit was fire. That was crazy. That was crazy. We need to bring that back. That's what you got to put on your phone.

Oh, well, that's the startup sound? Just that sound. That would be the boot sound. Every time a boot's up, it makes that sound. Okay, so what, you told me that Dolly is going to replace stand-up comedy specials in the future. All of us. How? No, it's not.

But here's why. I'll tell you why. This is going to get better and better, and it's super cool. That I believe. It's going to get exceedingly photorealistic, high resolution, better and better at figuring out what words mean, and that's amazing, and the tech is going to get better. But I still think we always want a human element of everything,

whether it's in our entertainment or in our creative stuff. I kind of look at it like sports, where in basketball, for example, coaches, coaching staff, are always looking at analytics. What is mathematically the best way to win a game? And sometimes that means more threes,

sometimes that means more free throws, whatever it is. We're going to mathematically find out the best thing to win a game. And sometimes that means more threes, sometimes that means more free throws, whatever it is. We're going to mathematically find out the best thing to do, but you still need a little bit of the human element to actually make a basketball game to watch. I don't want to watch AI play chess. I want to watch humans play the thing, right? So no matter how good this gets, you might be able to make an incredible video of a stand-up comedian with an hour-long special with genuinely hilarious jokes.

But if we know that that's not a human making that, we're less interested. I think you still need the human part of the creative thing. I feel the same way because I feel like when a human being does something, it says something about us. And that when I see a human being run a marathon in an hour and a half or something, I go, that's saying something about me as a human being and it's amazing that they were able to accomplish this feat. If I were to see some type of AI or a robot run a marathon,

I'd be like, oh, but it's not me. It's like watching National Geographic. Yeah, exactly. Or I watch a sculpture or a painting and it's beautiful and it's amazing it says something about me as a human being that another human being like me could do something so beautiful. And it's definitively new, where like Dali, these are technically new, but it is actually taking information from just human-made things. Millions and millions of human-made images for it to figure out what a new human-made image might look like.

My pushback on that is that's what human beings do. That's true, but it just feels different for you to come up with a unique idea. I also don't think you have necessarily, you don't have to, you can choose how much of that to draw from. Where like Dali is going to go, I want to make this because I know what a horse looks like

and I know what a helicopter looks like. I therefore will create this set of things. And you can get infinite versions and you can figure out what Dolly is looking at. Well, that's the infinite versions thing interesting to me because yesterday, I think it was, Mark was telling me that if Dolly gets sophisticated enough,

there could be a movie that I'm watching that's made by Dolly that is made specifically to my interests. Different ending, different everything. You're not watching the same thing I'm watching, which is not what I think humans want. I think humans want shared experiences. That's why we love Sunday night, 9 o'clock HBO show

and everybody's watching it and it feels great. But it is interesting that it could be completely curated to my interests. But when you're scrolling content on your phone, that's not necessarily communal. You just like to see cool things that you like. Yeah, everybody's for you page is different. And if the AI is able to make that, in the same way that five years ago,

it'd be like, hey, did you see these three pictures in a row? You'd be like, or now, if you said, do you see these three pictures in a row on Instagram? You'd say no. Because your three pictures is different than my three pictures. It would be as focused as one piece of content. Hey, did you see this piece of content?

And you'd say no, because it doesn't exist to anyone else except for you. Yes. That's where things get a little gnarly. And that's maybe even too isolating. Like, I don't want to exist in a world where I'm the only one seeing these things. But you're also the only one that gets to show people. And you get to share and say, look what I see. And then those people go, oh, that's less enjoyable than what I see. I don't like that as much as mine. That's the thing. It is what you enjoy the most. You might miss the experience,

but the experience of watching it, it's what you enjoy the most. No, you're right. It is the For You page on crack. Your For You page is a reflection of what you like. It's for you. Yes, yes, yes. It's not for a few people like you. Right now it's for y'all.

But as soon as it's going to be for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because watching someone else's for you is garbage. Bro, it sucks. I judge the fuck out of my friends. We pulled up our friend Ben's for you page, and it was just diesel-ass weightlifting girls. I was like, what are you clicking on, man?

Bro, what's going on? What's your for you page? I got a good mix. It's funny. I was just thinking like, what? Let's see this girl. I'll show you mine. I'll show you mine. He's not showing us the iPhone. He's showing us the general phone. It's a good mix. It's funny, I was just thinking like, what? I'll show you mine. He's not showing us the iPhone, he's showing us

the general phone. Same account. Same account. Alright, TikTok. Let's see. Let's see what pops up. And I follow maybe three accounts. Should I go to, okay, it's Ultimate Frisbee. That's the first thing that pops up. That's me. Oh yeah, let me screen record. Oh, I see my house with the heads

up play. Good idea. This is a highlight from the team I play on. That couldn't be more for me. Yeah, let me screen record. Oh, I see my house with the heads up play. Good idea. This is a highlight from the team I play on. That couldn't be more for me. Yeah, that's extremely for me. Yeah, and it's not even me following, so that's pretty good. This is... I get a lot of educational. So it'll be like somebody explaining, like, you didn't know this about this.

So whether it's like a sugar cube or some cooking thing or like some animal kingdom thing, I get a lot of that. A lot of pet, short pet videos. A lot of dogs on my For You page. A lot of pet videos. Another pet video.

Some of these, yeah, some of these just not sure what that is. A lot of car stuff, Yeah, some of these just... Not sure what that is. A lot of car stuff, although this is overtime. Jesus. That was kind of sick.

I'm liking that one. That was fire. That was pretty sick. An ad. Bro, you got no hoes on here? That's what I was thinking. I think it's IG. I think IG. Thanks, somebody.

Yo, let's go to IG. Let's see how long before hoes pop up. Yeah. Oh, you do? Oh, good. Bro. Wait. see how long before hoes pop up. Yeah. Oh, you do? Yeah. Married or just girlfriend? Girlfriend. Girlfriend.

Yeah, skinnier thread. All right. I ain't blown up by shit. It's crazy. Post Malone. Come on. Some guy. There we go.

That's right away. That has one comment and zero likes. I know. That is for you. That's right away. That has one comment and zero likes. I know. That is for you. That is incredibly specific. I'm the only like. How does this happen?

Weird. This is just my photo album. What is it? Yeah, dude. Okay, listen. Marques, dude, you're the man. Thank you so much for coming on. Can we play ultimate frisbee sometime?

Yeah. Absolutely. One more question. You said Elon's number one. What do you feel Frisbee sometime? Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, one more question. You said Elon's number one. What do you feel about Neuralink? And will you get it? It's our only hope against the robots. I will not be first in line,

but if it's cool. Oh, shit. I'll check it out. I'll check it out. I'll be like 20th. I think the first generation of anything is a little scary. And if it's the first generation

of Neuralink is irreversible, no? Well, that's why they're trying it on people who are already fucked. Right. You know what I mean? I think they need a,

the second generation might be reversible. That would be nice. I thought it was a chip that goes in. How can it be reversible? I have no idea. But that's the tech. They got to figure that out. Wait, why can't it be reversible?

It's an implant. Yeah. But it's like at the base of your brain or something, right? So if you yank it out, maybe it would affect your brain. Yeah. I guess, but if you have Alzheimer's or if you're suffering from one of these illnesses, it doesn't happen. You have some terminal illness anyway.

That is basically exactly the matrix. Yeah. Remember the matrix, this thing you plug into your head? Johnny Mnemonic. Okay, I didn't see that. Remember Johnny Mnemonic? The matrix. They're literally plugged into the base of their head.

That's where all the nerves go right into the brain. There's a funny, somebody had maybe a meme about this or something like that, or a joke. Have you heard the movie Johnny Mnemonic? Okay, watch it. And so he has like an amount of storage in his head, right? Like they've removed part of his brain, and he can like hold a certain amount of like data, right?

And they put too much data in there. And it's just so funny now because they're like, there's four megabytes in your head. How on earth is he alive with four megabytes? Now you've got a fucking terabyte drive in your pocket. I always think about what's the human computer? If we could put numbers on it, how many terabytes? It's probably way better

than we could ever think of. It's a supercomputer up there. Isn't that what we're chasing? With computers, we're trying to chase this, right? AI. Dolly, it's probably a rack of computers,

shelves of computers. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get there. What do you think is the most disruptive new technology that's going to come out in the next four or five years

that you're like, yeah, this is like... AI feels like the disruptive thing. That's like internet level, smartphone level. Interesting. So impactful, maybe.

I think like AI is disruptive because it's like you can't just do the automatic thing anymore. Like AI will take so much information to come up with the best thing rather than just like looking at one situation. Like there's a camera that just came out today that has AI-based autofocus. And I thought about that for a while. I was like, why is it AI-based autofocus? Normally, it's either contrast-based autofocus where it just looks for, like,

I need to minimize contrast between two points and now I'm in focus. Or AI-based is like, let me figure out where the eyes are. Let me figure out where the faces are. And if something occludes the face for a minute, I'm not going to focus on the thing. I'm going to wait for that to leave to stay on the face. And that's actually much better than just normal autofocus.

Absolutely. That's the type of thing that I think we'll start seeing more often is smart tech instead of just powerful tech. Good AI and smart smartphones. Yeah. Another interesting application I saw was someone that was like, oh, if you have a bunch of reviews or consumer feedback on a product, you could run AI to understand all of it.

And then CPT-3 can basically give you a one-page write-up that's extremely accurate as to what the consensus was. Yeah. It'll write a new review that would include all of the information and be like, only three people said this one thing, but 70% of people said this one thing, so that's in my review. And it'll give you a quick write-up. An exact review. Like the spark notes of a book or something. Yeah, exactly. So if you have a thousand reviews, instead of reading those thousand reviews,

you just get that consolidated version of it. You can do it with news. You can do it with like a lot of different things. It's consolidating. You read, well, this is actually great for fake news or whatever it is, right? You read a hundred different articles about like what's happening in Iran. That's a thing. Right?

And then it will consolidate that. And then it'll be like, and then it'll be like, okay, 30% says this, 70% says this. It might even be able to separate it based on political affiliation of the periodical. That's the problem now, right? A left, center, right of what a topic is. That's amazing. If the AI gets good enough to actually do that,

that would actually be genuinely very useful. Get good enough, it's probably close. Well, someone's got to write it and be smart enough about the topic to tell the AI to look for certain things and actually factor in political affiliation

and give it things to notice. But then the AI can write its own code. Once you do that, that's a lot. That would be so helpful. A buddy of mine is a school teacher

and he's teaching kids how to discern between real and fake information online. Isn't that crazy? We didn't have that growing up, but that's a class now. Yeah, that's an important class. And super important.

Yeah. Because the kids are looking at these fucking images. You can teach it to adults. We're dead. That should be a real thing everyone has to do. Take that class. But then even he might have a little bit of a bias because what he thinks is real.

What is real, what is not. That's the other thing. That's great. Okay, before we get on this, who is going to control truth? Who's going to control truth now? And do we feel comfortable putting it in the hands of maybe the people that are at the heads of these tech companies? This idea that Instagram can say this is fake or this is real based on what?

What they feel is real? What is real based on what? Like what they feel is real? What is real? Now, as stupid as that sounds, like I'm really concerned about that. I look at this and I go, why do you get to be the arbiter of truth? And I don't even know if the government should be. But it's a huge responsibility, right? It's already kind of fading. I was going to ask like what do you think is truth now?

But even that is a little bit faded. Um, and another version of that that came to mind is like in a, in photography world, back in the day, a photo was just a photo. You expose the sensor to the, to the thing and then you close it. And then the light that hit the sensor makes the image. Now it's like your phone looks at the scene, figures out what's in the scene, takes in the light to the sensor, sure, but does a bunch of computational photography, figures out the sky is kind of overexposed, but I have a faster shutter speed version

where the sky is blue, so I'm going to merge the blue sky in. Then I have the faces here. Faces are a little dark because they're in the shadow, so I have a slower shutter speed version here where the faces are brighter, merging the brighter faces. It's doing all this stuff, and there's your image. What is real? That's not real's your image. And that's not... What is real?

That's not real, yeah. What is real? It's not what I took a picture of. I have the memory of what was real, and yeah, their faces were in the shadows, and yeah, the sky was really bright, and I couldn't see it, but this is different.

It's filtering it. It's making maybe the better image, but it's not the real image. It's not real. So now we can't even trust. It's a reminder of reality as opposed to a capture of reality. Yeah, and there's even a little bit of a bias because now, and this is something I've noticed,

people with darker skin like me take photos and our skin looks too bright in the photo because what do they train this on? All people. Generally fairer skin tones. If you take a photo with a Xiaomi phone, it will generally lighten your skin more than if you take a photo with a Samsung phone. That's an Asian shit. On purpose. Is there a racial bias there? It's on purpose.

Because that's the better looking photo where they sell that phone. That's real. Historically, they had that issue where what you would test your film against was a picture of a white family. And there was a big issue back in the day with Kodak, Kodachrome, and all these

different types of film where darker-skinned people were completely underexposed. You couldn't see them because all of the test film was tested against a white family. Yeah, and that's part of the AI problem, which is we're testing AI on the masses, so now when I ask Dolly for a picture of a doctor, what am I going to get?

When I ask Dolly for a picture of a a doctor, what am I going to get? When I ask Dolly for a picture of a basketball player, what am I going to get? It's probably the most accurate because it is the most representative of what it's been pulling in, but... Is it affirming social biases? Exactly. Now, as mirrors become technology,

do mirrors start to give you the images? Oh, warp your image a little bit? Oh, that's bad. And why wouldn't they? technology, do mirrors start to give you the images of what you want to see? Oh, that's bad. And why wouldn't they? Well, I think people want to see a good thing. I mean, they have all these lights and these... But also, if you think about the gym,

the gym has a light that is above you that's going to make your abs look more defined. When you look at a mirror, you don't look at it for you. You look at it for how other people see you. Well, that's, I think, anytime you look at yourself, right? Yeah, exactly. So at a mirror, you don't look at it for you, you look at it for how other people see you. Well that's, I think, anytime you look at yourself, right? Yeah, exactly, so with a mirror, I don't want it to lie to me, I want it to be, I want it to think.

I be loving it when it lies to me, when I'm in the gym and I get to see the abs come out. But if you're checking your hair though. What if you know it's lying to you though? Like if you don't know it's lying to you, it's fine. A dressing room, I know it's lying to me, but the clothes look better on me, I'ma buy that shit. But when you walk out and you're like,

I know I don't look like this, like I did in that mirror, that might bother you. But sometimes it's like with catfish. Everybody who's getting catfish knows they're getting catfish. But what they want is the real emotion that someone cares and loves them. Interesting. So if you're an insecure person, I think these girls know that they don't look the way they look in their filters.

But they would rather the world feel they do. But that's the world, though. That's the presentation. That lie is something that they start to tell themselves, and they start to believe. It becomes like a difference between what they know they look like and what they present. Like in the mirror, you're not presenting.

You're just getting this feedback, and then you do the filtering. You present one thing, but you know you look like the other thing. Now this chasm is the problem. So I think the mirror, I think people still want the real representation of themselves in the mirror. They don't want to lie to themselves, but they do want to lie to everyone else.

I don't think they make me look chiseled. Yeah. Honestly, I don't think they do. I think especially people are insecure because even what they're seeing in the mirror might not be true. They might have a body dysmorphia or something like that. So now you can't even trust what they're seeing in the mirror might not be true but they might have a body dysmorphia or something like that so now you can't even trust what you're looking at this is fucked man it would be a great cure for body dysmorphia though which you can just

look in the mirror and see exactly what you want to see what you want to see oh and what you think you're supposed to see shallow yeah as opposed to yeah your brain is telling you you're seeing which is skinny girls who they oh i'm I'm so fat, I'm so whatever, or whatever, the dysmorphia. But there's also this calibration element, and I don't know enough about body dysmorphia, but I feel like you look at an image, and your body gives you a 30% larger or smaller version of what you're seeing.

And so if you calibrate the mirror to correct for that, then your brain corrects even further. I don't know if that's real. I don't know. So now you've gone even skinnier. Yeah. I don't know how this works enough. But yeah, I think mirrors are fascinating because it's just like, what do you want to see in the mirror?

Guys, we're fucked. Nothing is real. Nothing is real. Put all your faith in Dolly and Marques proudly. Thank you so much for coming on, my brother. I appreciate you. Make sure you check out Marques.

Go to his YouTube page. You know where he is. Check him out on Shorts, TikTok, Instagram, all those things. We'll put the link below. You're the fucking man. Thank you, dude. Appreciate it.

Thank you, man. Appreciate it.