Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Minnesota ICE Killings is the Breaking Point: Flagrant Ep 689

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

YERRR – this week the boys are discussing the recent ICE killings in Minnesota. We’re also talkin’: - Mark being the worst friend alive - Small Greek D propoganda - Alex Honnold climbing and white people spelunking - Akaash got his pawned gear back, Mark's got a new mouth toy & much much more. INDULGE. 0:00 Mark's bath baby batter + No shower 5:02 Miles moving + Why do we have headboards? 8:51 Who has the best wafers? No Pound Town 12:01 Great guy, Never bully + Miles was cool! 14:18 Ain't see enough Ds + Greek strategies 21:00 ICE murdered Alex Pretti + Intended cruelty 34:57 Protests working, Midterms + Needing change 41:27 No trust, 2A + Heroism 47:40 TikTok censor political discourse + Info 53:29 Not picking sides, Politics = messy + Call it out 1:01:25 Sports benefits + Super Bowl 1:06:28 Akaash got his equipment + Pawning 1:12:32 Mark got a Jew Harp 1:15:02 Alex Honnold climb is terrifying 1:24:04 Humans are awesome compilations + Not new?? 1:29:58 Spelunking + need for hardcore 1:36:24 "The devil's always fun" + Superstitions This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can I be honest, if I had to choose who I would rather have in my place, no question, Miles over Mark. Really? Miles is such a good house guest. With 100%. Such a good. Miles would probably do dishes and shit. He would, like, feel very guilty about it and really overcompensate. Mark would take this shit for granted. He came in your tub and didn't even watch it out. That's the thing. Like, you don't want to go to take a shower after like a weekend on the road and then step in another man's thumb. You're saying you don't want to walk into your shower. Open up the shower curtains.

I thought that was really interesting. jerking off into the shower and not cleaning it and then closing the curtains to like hide the evidence and then I open the curtains and I splat, step my foot right into a pile of cum.

A pile of cum that hadn't congealed yet. He kept that bathroom just warm enough. He kept it just warm enough to name-tained. Yeah, the liquid form of cum. And I stepped and I just broke it and splattered it.

Thank you. Still warm. I didn't know that you were sitting outside the tub in, like location, location, location, into the tub, not in the tub. Oh yeah, well, you had a choice to make. I think it was lying down in a tub. You had a toilet. No, no, you can't go in the toilet. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's a committee. You were not laying down in the tub. There's no way you're laying down the tub. No, no, no. You're standing up in the shower, you jerked off onto the floor and you thought it would drain in,

and then you forgot to do the water. Yeah. And then I went to take a shower and then I stepped on a sticky substance. Mark, you've been in so many sinks. How did you not think the What are we talking about pee here? We're talking about a man's cum. No, I'm just saying he's already... We're talking about a man's cum on the bottom of my foot that I've never recovered from. He might have peed in your sink too.

Can I be honest with you? To this day, my right heel is far smoother than my left. Something happened. There was some sort of like lotion substance that hit my foot and I have a softer right heel because of that. Don't even say you're welcome.

Don't even try to own it. I was just saying you need to bottle. that. That's what I'm saying, right? It's a founding youth. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it kind of is. Do you guys all want to be younger? It is the founding. It literally is the founding. Yeah.

Beef towel on you. Literally. Never have to exfoliate again. You know it was crazy? What? What is? What's crazy? What's crazy? Miles was homeless and had a cleaning lady. Yeah.

That was fucking crazy. That's fine. That was crazy. I was homeless and none of you guys took me in. What about that? I took you in. I let you stay in my apartment. For a night, okay? You could stand there as long as you want.

You mean that? Yeah, because you got really comfortable. I feel like you thought it was your apartment. You can come in things and not clean them up. What was going? Did you not shower after? No, I didn't. It's him.

That is the craziest thing. Isn't that the craziest thing that he jerked off? Allegedly. And then didn't wash after. Wait, did you wash him after? That takes more work than not. But you wash him or done? If I had foreskin, I would wash it.

Right? You just pee and blow a bubble. But you wash every time you stroke your shit? Well, I usually stroke my shit in the shower. Really? While I'm showering. Okay. I don't go to...

If you got naked, got into a shower, stroked your shit and didn't turn the water on and left. Of course. So you didn't shower. Wait, wait, wait. You keep the hoodie on. Are you guys just getting this? No, I'm just getting this because in my mind.

I thought he's showered. It's a shower church. Then jerked off. You let the conditioner settle. You really enjoy the time. You know what I mean? Five minutes. You're in, you're out.

It's efficient. Exactly. You had a dry jerk, but in a show. That's what I said. Lay it down, fully lights off. That is insane. And that's the jerk off that we know about. There's no way that you only jerked off once that weekend.

Yeah. That might have been more times. I don't know. Young Mark. You got to be. You empty the clip. Tell you something. This is how...

This is how I know that he did it more than once. Because only if you did it several times, would you forget about one? That's a good point. If you did it like five or six times, you'd be like, oh, I got to make sure I clean up on my camera towels, my little tissues. Oh, if I got it on his pillow, I got to flip the pillowcase or something like that. And then you just forgot about... You know he's fucking jerking off at my bet.

100%. If you flip it, it's like a new pillow. For real. See? And you call me bad from going on the fucking carpet at a hotel. That is repulsive, babe. Because you don't even know who's going in there. I know one person's going in there.

Yeah, that's fucked up. I did it to strange and just did to your friend. Yeah, exactly. Isn't that crazy? I don't think we've talked about this enough. Like, it's just hitting me again, like what happened. They just drop a load. You were in a more savage place in your life back then,

and I don't think you fully processed how fucked up it was. I know. But you're not mad about Miles Dirkin off in the studio? You know, it's interesting. I, because we did find the loop here, we all remember this story. Yeah. Right? And, you know, obviously there's somebody here with an extraneous circumstance, you know, that they have to use loop.

Terminal. Gay. Wait, what are you talking about? Are you talking about Miles is terminal gayness? No, not that at all. And I think they've- Wait, David's terminal gay is? No, they're, none of them are terminally gay.

Oh. I mean, I guess you can make the argument that, like, if you're gay, you die. Yeah. Everyone's dying. Everybody's dying. So heterosexual, homosexuality, both terminal illnesses. Good point. 100%.

But yeah, there was some Louvre around here, and I thought that somebody was having sex in the studio. I did think that was happening. I thought you were doing it with that girl from Athens, the Greek girl from Athens. I thought you were bringing here to the studio, and I thought you were doing unthinkable things. Not Athens, Georgia. I thought you meant. That's like, dude, I don't know what we're talking about. I'm thinking having sex with a girl from Georgia?

There's black women there. Miles, with what we know about you, you're going right to the silver. European whites, blonde hair blue eyes. Yeah, true. That's true. Okay? No, I was having, I was not having sex in the studio. But that would be smart. Homeless, fuck a waitress.

Now she brings free food. God damn, that would have been. I was doing a lot of away games at that time, just trying to sleep anywhere. Why were you homeless here, though? I don't understand. It was between two apartments. How long?

45 days. Again? No, I was. that was at the time. I was homeless for 45 days. Twice? The first time in Brooklyn, 45 days. Second time here, how long? We were overlapping the leases at this studio and the old studio. So I was

bouncing between them. Oh, you were living large. Living large. Two places. Two places. You guys are blaming me. You guys are blaming me. We're not blaming. He's like, you have two places to stay. He's got so many spots. And I say, hey, come over. He goes, no, it's fine. I got my own place. I want to have women over all the time.

That's not. Landering. That's a not true. He has dozens of women that he's meeting with. You think they would bring women back to your house to step in other guys' thump? Do you know how emasculating that is? A girl goes to the bathroom and wash off? Yeah.

How do you think I feel listening to this guy banging headboards all night? I'm trying to sleep. There's no headboards in this studio, why? I don't even have a headboard at my own apartment. That's how I know. Headboard is overrated. What do we think in this headboard thing? Women make us...

Wait, wait, wait. No, it's not. What do you get out of a headboard? It just doesn't look like you're a fucking. Only Fans girl. Tell me. Yeah, like if you just have a bed and nothing. I just have a bed and nothing.

You might have another career we don't know about it. No, women forces get headboards. That is true. My wife didn't, we don't have a headboard. A nice bed module situation. Yeah, they make it class up the joint. That's like a thing. I got it.

Okay. Yeah, it looks subjectively better. Things on the walls. Yeah. No art and no headboard. I'm sort of, I'm drinking orange juice out of the carton, feeling real good about like being a bachelor right now. You want this guy

to stay in your place? Yeah. When you're like Can I be honest, does it bother you at all? What? You didn't let Miles stay and we tease you about it? Yeah. It bothers me that Miles is hurt. That's my favorite answer. It's my favorite

answer. It's like, it bothers me that he thinks something bad happens. I think nothing bad happens. But if Miles says it's okay, then it turns out I feel great. Oh my God. Look, it's all very hazy. It was a different time.

I was abusing a lot of substances. I don't really remember everything. All right. I was going through a lot. What were you abusing at that time? A lot of coffee. That's my first started drinking coffee. Ah, yes, yes, yes.

Sugar, there was a lot of sugar. A lot of sugar. A lot of Jesus crackers or something like that. He was high off to Jesus or something. It was a dark time in my life. And I wasn't a good enough friend. Are there places that have better wafers than others? Like a certain church is known for like a good wafer?

I don't think so. I think they buy them in mass. Yeah. Unintended. That's fine. Look at you. Look at you. But yeah, no, it's all standardized.

So there's just one wafer. Nobody throws a little extra sugar in there. What does it taste like? We're not allowed to eat it, actually. I have to. That's true. Yeah. I got told I wasn't.

I went to church with a buddy. And I guess I didn't, I didn't know if I was. You didn't do commune? I didn't know if I had commune. But when you go up there, you have to do this if you're not Catholic. So you're not allowed. You're going to hell. Even though you're at this church, I need you to know you're going to hell.

Even if you're Catholic, if you're not in a state of grace, if you committed a mortal sin, you haven't gotten a confession, you can't take it. Oh, so if you haven't confessed, you can't take the body. What's a mortal sin? You killed somebody? You killed someone had impure thoughts? No, if you, like, acted on them. Sexless out of marriage would be considered. What about leaving your best friend homeless of 45 days?

I think the priest would look into it. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. What kind of friend, you know? Oh, I heard a good street. bedboard. What about when you pound town, you never want to like

grab on a son? I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. Sometimes I'm married. My wife has been pregnant for the last four years. There's no grab onto a headboard and go to pound town. It's like, are you recovered yet? Oh, you are? Okay. Let's get the doctor

to put something else in there. The last five years of my life, I played no role in putting babies in my wife. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? I don't even think I sent a text to the doctor like, yo, thanks for this family, bro. You got a shout out of his spesh.

That's nice. That's huge. I know, I didn't even use his real name. I should have, right? Like, I don't know. I thought that maybe he wanted his privacy. Yeah, I can see it. What if my kid grows up and shoots a school.

You know what I mean? It's kind of part of it. It's on his conscience. That's actually okay. We hope that that didn't happen. We hope that that didn't happen. bring guns to school. It's not peaceful protests. That's not you don't do that. You can bring guns to school, exactly. And the teachers

shall also have guns, but you're protesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can't do it. Miles, can I make this up to you? Can you stay at my house now? No. No, I'm solely. No, because it's not needed now. Yeah. So you only need me when you need me, huh? Desperately allergic to cats also. So I can't do it. Oh, yeah. We had a cat at the time. Yeah. That's fair. Thank goodness he didn't stay. I think Mark has, Mark has a piece of shit. No, no. I I think he's thought about this and I think he feels fine with his decision.

I don't think it bothersome. I've told you, if Mark wasn't religious, he would be a, like, sociopathic, super powerful, super rich, evil. He'd be Lex Luthor. Possible. I'm already a piece of shit. And I'm doing my best. Why are you a piece of shit? Well, his friends are homeless and he makes him sleep.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's that for sure. Spends a lot of time outside of the house instead of being a father. There's that. Damn, are we just banging on Mark today? What the hell is going on? We're friends. Things are, yeah.

Yeah, it's how it happens, dude. They love it. You just notice things over the bush. I'm not. Like, who's a great guy? You know what I mean? Yeah. Alex is a great guy.

No, I'm like this shit. It's a fantastic guy. No one in the studio is a great guy. He's a great guy. He's got a gay podcast studio that he's expanding around the world. Yeah. Yeah. That's for all the years of homophobia.

He's making up for the 90s. He's a tone. We've got to give these gay people voices. Yeah. I was giving them wedgies on your night. They should be able to speak about it. Yeah, you got to give a pod to like somebody you bullied in high school. Ooh.

That would be funny. Actually, I never bullied. Really? Yeah. You were accidentally bullied? I tripped a kid one time and then I felt really bad about it. Really? Yeah.

But he was like running down the hallway and I was like, oh, this is going to be so good. Oh, no. And then he went flying. Big backpack too? Backpack comes over the head. Did you apologize? I did, I did. I did. I was really.

When the kids get the backpack with the wheels, are the parents not? involved in that? They're not going like, dude, you're going to be fucking ripped apart in school. Like, I think about that. I only knew one dude of the backpack with wheels and it was the tight end on the football team, six two black guys. You're not saying nothing. He could just roll around the college campus. That's funny. That's kind of swagged out. The back was fired, dude. If you're some little white nerd and you got a backpack with wheels in it, it's like, yeah, you're going to go through hell. Yeah. And the parents should know, they should be aware of it. They're like, this is a bad decision for you socially. Yeah, but when you're a kid and you want something, your parent, you just want to make

a kid happy. Also, weird kids oftentimes have kind of weird parents. That's true. That's true. I didn't realize this until like I went to my weird friend's house and I was like, oh, your parents are also kind of dorks. You know? I was like, oh, this all makes sense. What happened without saying names? I mean, just like, he was just kind of like my dorky friend

and I went over to his house and then his parents also. Miles is right. Miles is a dork, dude. Miles is never a dork. But actually, that doesn't check out. Because his dad is super swagger. Miles also, huge dick. Remember the when everybody in the high school found out. Oh, yeah. He was swinging the hammer, dude.

Yeah. There's no, there you go. Reason number 10 not to stay in my place. There's no room. There's no room. Also, God forbid he gets out the shower. I know. Oh, my goodness, dude.

He only seen one. Yeah, he slips on seam and I think flies out. She's like, she's like, they come that big? Yeah, exactly. You can't risk that. You can't risk that. That would be rough. You ever have your girl talk about the size of your dick?

And then you look at her like, man, you ain't seen dicks before. You know, you're like, you're gonna keep her on brasms, man. She does not know what is out there. She does not know. It's like the Native Americans who've never seen a ship. You know what I mean? They're just staring off in the distance. Like, is that a UFO?

Like, that does? Like, isn't it? Thank God. Out of respect for men, I feel like I need to correct the record. Okay. I want to, like, pull up a video, be like, no, this is a piece. I tell my wife is AI.

I tell her it's AI. I'm like, nah, man, you can't believe that. That's Sora. No way, that's a real dick. That guy right there? Oh, my God. What would you even do it all that? What would you even fucking do it all that?

Oh, that's smart. That's crazy. Yeah. I would fucking hurt you. Dick like that? That might get you pregnant naturally. They can't be on. Dick's like that

out of your fucking mind? What's wrong with you? Like the spur of barely you have to swim? It's there. They just got to jump over. Remember when Jack and Titanic got onto the ship, he did that little leap? That's what you gotta do.

Yeah. It is dangerous. It is dangerous. We gotta start that campaign. Like big pieces are dangerous. Well, didn't the fucking... Who was it? The Greeks or the Romans did that? Oh, yeah. Was it? Which one was it?

I thought it was the Greeks, but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. Where like they tried to do... They tried to gaslight women into thinking small dicks were more masculine. Yeah. God, what a time that would have been for me. This is the beauty of propaganda. Yeah.

Like, we forget that sometimes propaganda works for us. Yeah. Like, when the government's on your side, when the king is a little dick, and he's like, these big dick motherfuckers are hooligans. They're like beasts. You don't want them around. Michelangelo's David. Can we pull up David real quick?

Why, does he just have a regular one? Yeah. A regular one. He got a little one. He has a little one. He's got big hands. And they say it's because he's afraid and he's staring at Goliath. Goliath.

And that like it's a fear response. So his dick shriveled up? No, no. No, they're saying that's a fear response. This is the supreme man, all right? This is what men are supposed to look like. His hands and feet are twice aside of the average man and his penis is twice. God, that'd be a horrible fate, dude.

Yeah. My shit matches. You know what I mean? But if I had big hands, I'd be like this. I'd feel, oh, I'd feel horrible. I once asked a girl, do I have big, said no i said thank god i can't have that

i'm the fucking woman that is a good ass point big dick energy can backfire little dick energy and then surprise is probably better exactly like the Asian with a regular dick that's huge probably gets the best reaction from the girl that they're hooking up with

because they're going in, whereas like the black dude with a regular dick, it's a disappointment. Yeah. Like every, when they see your shit is only like eight inches and three quarters of an inch.

Like, they're like, that's it? Yeah, it was all I got. Disappointed. That shit is wild thing. Yeah.

Still at the baby. It's like a smallian migrant. Why are your dick running daycare? Tell your dick that's not the daycare for all that. And I have a big head forehead. Oh, man. This is the Supreme Man.

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It felt like a very groomed pubic hair. A shape. He got edged up. He got a taper fit. Yeah, man. Greeks, man, you tried it. That should probably work for a few hundred years, too. Probably.

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All right, let's do it. Let's talk about what happened in Minneapolis. I murdered an American citizen in cold blood, and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Like, plain and simple.

Yeah. I see the administration trying to spin it. And it's fucking disgusting. It's like, they didn't even have a moment where they're like, hey, we're reviewing the footage. We're going to try to see what's really happening. All of them, Trump and all the cronies, put out collective statements that immediately blamed an American citizen that was exercising his first and second Amendment rights, right? He has the right to protest. He has a right to carry a firearm. He's a legal gun owner, right? There's no question about this whatsoever. And the administration immediately comes out

and they try to gaslight the public, which you cannot do when we have 15 different videos of what happened. Yes. And... That is what they do, though. But that is what they do. Yeah. And I think that governments have probably been doing this for centuries, millennia. And now you have a public that is armed with phones and we can see what actually fucking happened. And you're not going to just lie to us, playing simple like that. And yeah, it's just, I mean, to me, it's like you can have, first of all, I know we've had Trump on the podcast, I know there's probably people like, you guys are the last ones that I want to hear talk about this.

I don't think any of us are having this conversation to curry any like goodwill or, you know, get people to like us or something like that. This is something that is undeniably abhorrent and we should be called out. Simple as that. It's disgusting. I get the frustration. People are like, oh, but you guys were with them, da-da-da-da. Yeah.

It's like, yeah, I get it. 100% again. If you never want to watch another thing again, because we have talking about that is totally fine, respected, I completely get it. You're 100% allowed to be frustrated. We made that decision knowing it was open to criticism. All right, there it is. No knock on any criticism. That being said, like, moving forward, we don't just like stay silent when something has this. Like, if we do have a platform, there's people that we're talking to, you know, and we see something that is just so blatant. There's no, like, partisan bullshit with this. If you see it with your own eyes, you know exactly what happened. And there's something disgusting

that's happening not only in Minneapolis, I'm sure it's happening in other parts of the United States, where it's ICE is under the guise of security, right? Under the guise of safety, because that's what they're doing, right? Every time something horrific happens, they keep going, but look at the pedophiles we got. Look at the murderers we got. Look at all the violent criminals we got. I looked at the numbers. It's 5% of the people they've deported are violent criminals.

Yes. There's probably more pedophiles in the Oval Office. Exactly. Exactly. If you bring up another fucking pedophile about deporting and you're not releasing the Epstein list, just shut the fuck up all of you. Yes. I don't want to hear anything else about, oh, we got to deport the pedophiles.

They're right here. They're right here. They're a list of them. And you're not exposing it. And this is the thing that we've been asking for even before Trump was in office. Yep. Anyway, point being is you see this act and then you see ICE and the way that ICE is operating, right? with, I mean, masked guys, no name tags.

It's 100%. Like I heard people bringing it up and like sometimes people are trying to go like, oh, you're exaggerating. No, no, no. You have to understand. It's like you have a government-enforce militia with no accountability. Poor training. Inexperience, poor training. Obviously you saw from this circumstance.

No effort to de-escalate. If anything, efforts to escalate the situation. And, yeah, it's just absolutely. it's absolutely disgusting. And then when you see the administration defend it, you go, well, where will the accountability ever come from? This is a government-enforced agency, and the government is backing them immediately

without even reviewing the tapes saying that they did nothing wrong. So you have guys that you don't know their names, you don't know what they look like, that the government is backing with impunity. What do you think is going to happen? More of this is going to happen. Joey's from Minneapolis, obviously. He was saying they have more ICE officials or whatever

than they do. enforcement, like actual police officers in Minneapolis and St. Paul. And apparently they have a quota of people, and that's why they're in such a rush to arrest as many people as possible. They're doing things that objectively, objectively, I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, objectively are unconstitutional. So no matter which side of the island, you would like to uphold the Constitution a little bit, right? Like, you can't enter someone's home without a warrant and not some, like, federal administrative bullshit warrant that they're trying to, like, skirt around it. Yeah. You cannot enter someone's own

without an actual warrant. I think it's like the fourth... Judicial, fourth... The judicial amendment, fourth... It's the Fourth Amendment. Yeah, for... Yeah, exactly. So it's like, and they're just entering homes. Dude, I saw them arrest somebody for having an accent. And the ICE agent that arrested him had an accent.

Did you see that video? And the guy was like, you got an accent, too! And it was just like, you're seeing... I mean, obviously, you've heard of the situation of them deporting legal residents. Yeah. Like, we... at a certain point of time, and I think this is why there's zero support for this. I think it's important to speak up because I've spoken to a lot of people who are seeing it

and they think it's abhorrent and they go, I just, I don't know if I feel comfortable talking about it. I don't know if they feel like exposure to Trump or whatever like that. I think those are the moments where you got to speak up, especially because you see how Trump moves. It's like, hey, you speak up, you're out. All right, then you're out. Who gives a fuck? And that's the problem. Everybody in his administration wants to be to Well, then I'm not even talking about people in the administration. I'm just talking about regular people that were sympathetic to some of the immigration reform that Trump was talking about. And then are realizing, no, this is not what they wanted at all.

And now they're just kind of quiet because they're worried about like getting licks or getting public lashings or criticism on the area. It's like, get it. Get it. And anybody who wants to criticize us for a platform? 100%. That is fair. 100%. But that doesn't mean you just stay quiet.

Like if you see something that you look at and you're like, I don't think this is America. that I want to live in, which is the sentiment of everybody right now. There are a few, like, ideologues in the internet that are trying to defend this. I'm sure you guys have seen. Yeah. But I think the majority of Americans are looking at this, and they're going, this is not a country that we believe that we are. And we can't continue to support stuff like this, and I think it's important to talk about it. I'm just going to give you pushback.

I don't think the criticism that we're getting for having Trump on is fair, because one, we've had people from both sides of the eye on. And it's like we've never been a podcast that's like, hey, you should listen and do what we say or tell you to do. We're just curious guys who wanted to have a conversation with the guy running for office, running for presidency. We wanted to have Kamala on as well. So it's like that criticism, I don't think it's fair. They're just because we had them on and now they're like, oh, everything bad he's doing, we're attributing that to you just because you had them on. And I don't think that's fair at all. because that's not what you wanted.

If he came in here and said, like, oh, hey, we're going to forcefully remove all of these illegal immigrants the way that they're doing it. We wouldn't be for that. And it would have been a lot of pushback. I mean, we specifically pushed back. I specifically told him, I was like, dude, you hired illegals. Yeah. Like, I was taking care of by illegals, like, let's have a pathway decision.

Let's have some empathy. And he's like, we're going after the criminals. And maybe I naively believe that he would do that. But it's very clear, like, just by the numbers that that's not what's happening. Yeah. And they're using this bullshit of like, we want to make sure you guys are safe and secure. How is this more safe? Tell me how this is more secure. I don't feel any safer. Walking in any downtown of any city, I perform it. It doesn't feel any safer.

Yeah. It's also, it bugs me when there's like a false dichotomy where people are like, yeah, dude, but you can't just let like the borders be completely open. So this has to happen. It's like, well, there was a time when, you know, people were coming in illegally and then they were deported humanely and that I think there is a way to do both. Right. Like Obama deported people that was done with civility and like keeping human integrity intact whereas this seems like it's intentionally cruel yeah and intentionally chaotic yeah like like i don't know if if someone comes in illegally and like you know they get caught and then they get deported it's like i think most people are like yeah you know kind of you know jg's and they were aware of that risk when they came illegally right and again

i don't want it to happen i wouldn't want it to happen to my friends like i think what ice is doing is awful but again it's the cruelty and like that cruelty is a feature of the system and seems to be rewarded by the administration. Right, exactly. And at bare minimum, defended. Yeah. With zero reflection or accountability, I was shocked that they each echoed the exact same sentiment. Not a single one of them was like, hey, we have to look at the footage. Immediate knee-jerk reaction. It was like a group text went out like, hey, show strength. That is exactly what happened.

Yeah. Group signal text went out. Yeah. Guarantee you. And that's the most concerning thing to me because like we can see in like the line of duty, like shit happens, right? Like, I don't think the ICE officers are going out, how can we shoot an American citizen today. Right. I mean, yeah, I think they're going out to, like, intimidate people, but, like, as far as killing goes, I don't know. But as far as, like, the recourse that happens after an event like this, you would hope that there's going to be some type of fair third-party investigation and holding people accountable, right?

The grossest part of the Trump statement. Like, that's what you want to happen. You want to happen. We've seen his first administration. He doesn't like being held accountable for anything. Right. And I don't think it's any different. The part that got me in a statement was immediately deflecting to Ilhan Omar and how she has so much money. Which is a thing. But like someone is dead and then within two sentences you're trying to deflect onto Ilan Omar being crooked with money, which I do. I think she probably is.

Look into that too. Yeah, this ain't the fucking time in the same statement. But just as you want accountability for her, if that is fucked up or if it is crooked, then we want accountability for this. Yeah. And accountability for her is not accountability for this. Yeah. Yeah, it's fucked up, man. It's just horrendous.

And by all accounts, he seemed like a good guy. Like, he's literally like a gun owner. he's a like like as far as like the American sort of like stereotype goes like he's working with veterans a legal gun owner protesting doing all the right probably voted for Trump if we just look at the facts yeah this guy supporting veterans he again legal gun owner which in and of itself usually that's a single issue thing yeah so it's like you got no sympathy for one of your own i guess regardless taking away your second amendment man you know you saw them say that i think one of them said i forget who it's like why would you take a gun to a protest

Yep. Yeah. And I've seen this all over the internet, but people are like, where was the same energy with Kyle Rittenhouse? Yeah. No problem when he took a fucking AK to the protest. Yep. So, which I think is an incredibly fair argument. Yeah, it's, um, yeah, even talking to, like, my conservative friends, it's like, imagine in the future, which this probably wouldn't happen because I just don't see it being a, like, a feature of the Democrat Party. But like, imagine two cycles from now, you have a, you know, a Democratic president that's like, hey, we want to make sure every gun owner in America has, the right paperwork, all the right registration for their weapons. Instead of going after illegals, they're going after gun owners. But you just want to make sure everyone has the right paperwork. They're stopping the street. They're like, you look like a gun owner.

And they're sending mass people around to people's houses that have guns. They're like, hey, we just want to make sure you have all your weapons. Is that cool? Da-da-da. Like, it would be pandemonium. Like, everyone would be like, why are you doing this? You'd be furious. I don't want to push back against that, too. I don't want to live in a country where you just have like mass agents going around, like checking people and around people. Yeah, but because it's happening

to brown people, people voted for it. Mm-hmm. Like, he said he was going to do this. Not in the manner that they're doing it, but he did say, hey, I plan to deport as much people as possible. I think the argument would be, like, deporting people that are not legally here in a humane or kind way

would be much more digestible than this horrific shit that we're seeing. And not saying that those people that have been poured couldn't then get legal status at another time. Me personally, I would rather a pathway to citizenship. But if somebody goes, hey, we need a strong border and we should have laws. And if you enter the country illegally, you should be removed and then try to reenter legally. If somebody said that, I wouldn't go, you're crazy. Yeah. And Fried Zakaria, who is a liberal, who I think is awesome, came on here and said, yeah, the Democrats gave asylum to too many people. It was just like a very easy excuse to get, and we just let

everybody get asylum. We shouldn't have done that. So again, I don't think what was going on before was good. but what is going on now is so undeniably bad. And I don't know if you remember, like five years ago, we were talking about police reform during COVID. And I was like, if this was happening to white people, it would get a much different response. And I think Black Lives Matter should highlight the times when there is like police abuse or whatever

toward a white person and U.S. citizen. And I think that's part of why you're seeing so much outrage. And I think that's the one silver lining of this thing is you're seeing abuse to U.S. citizens, white dudes. and it does it hits people differently when they look like you that's just what it is if it the guy looks like you're not a bad person for feeling this way when you see yourself reflected in a guy that's a victim that's getting brutalized it hits you differently and that's the one like kind of silver lining of this very dark cloud is like oh now you're seeing it happen to everybody it happens to everybody and now

maybe we should do something i mean like couldn't you just think about like if your face was shown on all those videos that are out there if your you know name tag was present if your badge number was there, wouldn't you act differently? And if it wasn't, you know, if you were a completely anonymous human being, you would also act differently. And we have to accept that given these circumstances

and given the support, and I would even say like the push of the administration to behave in a certain way, you're just going to get more of this if you don't change it. Like this doesn't stop today. If they don't change it drastically, we'll just have more and more of this, plan and simple. And it's probably safer for federal aid.

agents, right? Like, if they have their body cam and they're accountable to the law, they're going to operate in a way that's going to not get them caught up and shit like this. So I feel like it's just better for everyone if you are operating within the law. I mean, I feel like that's kind of dumb that you even have to say it. No, say it. I just think it's important to say. I think it's important for us to say, and it's like, yeah, I just say, yeah. How do we get the current administration to stop conducting themselves? in the manner that they're doing it right now.

I think that protest is the way to do it. I think you're already seeing them start to back off from it. Really? Trump's going to fire, maybe my fire fucking, I mean, he'll... I think Bovino already got swapped for it. So Bovino got swapped. Homan's going in. Maybe he fires Nome or somebody.

Somebody's going to have to take the fall for it. And I think that there, he said he's like, I had a great call with Waltz. The guy he called retarded for the last three months ago. I had a great call with Waltz and it looks like we're on the same page. But this is the example and the paper. power of respectful protests.

Another thing you do is vote and like contest. That's the only thing. Midterms are coming up. They're going to get absolutely washed in the midterms. If they even try to defend this or continue to defend this and continue these, right, they're going to get at, they were already going to get smoked and it's going to be a fucking bloodbath that this continues. It's not popular. Have you met

one person like an actual human being? Not some like ideologue on the internet. Like an actual human being that goes, yes, this is exactly what I want it. I haven't, but we're also in a fairly liberal place. Yeah, I don't have too many conservative friends. I mean, I reached out to, like, my people that are conservative, like ideologues, but also just random, you know, like dads that live in Florida and shit. And even they were like, yeah,

this is not a good, like, this is not what I want. Will the bad sentiment last 10 more months? Midterms are in 10 months. The thing is, though, I feel like they already know the midterms are lost. And that, I mean, this is like now a conspiracy land, but I'm like, is this a push to be like, hey, this whole country's in disarray, Marshall law, we got to cancel the midterms, it's corrupt, yada. Oh my God. I know this is crazy, but I'm like...

I think that would get met with crazy uproar. Yeah, but... But he could do it. This is also going to cause a shutdown, probably. There's like a... Over the ice funding. Yeah, there's an ice funding bill that's going to be pushed there in the next 10 to 15 days,

depending on snow and a few other things. And this will probably cause a shutdown. So, like, that will dramatically affect how this administration navigates that. You know, it's, it's really unfortunate because, like, Trump has this unbelievable ability to take a bipartisan supported issue and make it into a culture war. Like, he's unique in his ability to take something that everybody supports and then make it

divide everybody right down the middle. This one isn't even divided down the middle. I feel like most rational people are like, this is fucked up, this got to stop, this is not the America we want to live in. But, like, if he literally just came out and did exactly what he was saying on the pot with us, which was, we're going to deport the criminals. I don't know a single American that would push back on that. I'm sure there would be people, but if they're like we were going to go,

they're arrested, they are in jail currently, they're waiting trial, there are people that have committed crimes and they're still illegal, but they're back on the streets. If he just sent those people back, do you think that there would be culture war about this? Do you think there would be mass protests? I don't think so, like you said, there's only 5% of the people that's been deported, so then his numbers would look low and it will look like not a success.

Like he's not doing the job? Is that why they're just deporting everybody just so the numbers look good for him? Yes. Why Minnesota? Why is he going on Minnesota? Is there something I'm... He's one everywhere. Yeah, he's talking about the first place. But I think Minnesota specifically just had the most confrontations. Okay. Yeah. But a lot of...

That's my interpretation, at least. Also, a lot of blue states. That, okay. That's what I was wondering. No, I would probably make the argument that the blue states are more often like sanctuary cities where they're looking out to protect the illegal immigrants that are there. I mean, I think there's a lot of illegal immigrants in Arizona. Yeah, but I don't think... guess.

I don't think the state will protect them as much. I think the state would probably cooperate to get them the fuck up out of there. Whereas in Minneapolis, I think the state is a little bit more empathetic to them. And they're like, no, we don't want you to just do these fucking searches. We don't want you to. We're not going to have law enforcement go support you on these raids. And I think that's where there's going to be some. Okay, maybe not the state will push back.

But I think the people, I think the people, when you start taking people that they have connections with, like, hey, you may be the home attendant or you may be whatever. Like, I have a relationship with you and now you're just grabbing this person that I've loved and worked with all this time. That's what you've got to think about more. It's like you've got to think about the restaurant that you're going to.

The guy that works there, you've got to think about your gym and the guy that you see working. They're like, you've got to think about each one of those people that's being taken away. Not the violent criminals. Get them the fuck up out of here.

But the people that are just being asked in the street, hey, you have an accent, wear your papers. When you start imagining those people as these people you interface with on your regular everyday life, it just becomes like just horrendous. Yeah.

It's fucked up. Yeah. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Yeah. And I don't have any like real faith in anything they do being out of any kind of goodwill anymore. I was willing to have that in before the election because I felt like liberals he kind of fucked things up and then they're running Kamala that nobody really supports and they just foisted it on us and X, Y Z. But that got used up pretty quickly.

And now I don't really think anything they're doing is with any good intention. That's like out the window for me. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think that they react to? Like, what do you think the way to get them to change course on this? The NRA is apparently pretty upset. And I think the NRA sends them a lot of money. And then that's going to make them react. They haven't donated that much in recent times. So they're not as, they don't have as big of a voice as they used to. So then what does Trump react to? Like, what is, does he react to the stock market? Does he react to GDP? Like, what are the metrics that can be used to make the administration bend to the whim of the people? think stock market and popularity. Yeah, I think if his own people stop buying the BS, then he's like, oh, now I need to find another hustle. Like you said, his own people are being quiet.

They might not agree with what's going on, but they're not loudly talking about. I've seen, I've seen some like dudes who are like, yo, I was at January 6 and this is fucked up. I'm not saying for this. I'm speaking out. The fact you know people at January. I don't know them. I'm on fucking, I'm on social media. He didn't say I know.

My bad. I thought you just talking to him. I go to one government protest. No, but like, you know, I've seen these people. We kept in touch. And Instagram, and I'm like, good for you. Like, that's fire because you're standing up for your principles. You're standing for what you think is right or wrong.

Like, we might disagree on so many other fucking things. But that's the thing. It's like, I don't need to agree with you on everything. But I need to agree with you on basic right and wrong. This is wrong. Yeah. There's no way to justify this shit. And I understand that there's like a lot.

I understand when these kind of things happen, you know, most people just retreat to a side, right? Because there's security in the side. Some things are so fucking blatant. It's just right or wrong. The side is right or wrong. It doesn't matter when you're left to the right.

The side is right. The side is right. This is the America I want to live in. Unloading a clip in a U.S. citizen is wrong. For exercising his constitutional rights. Yeah. Like don't bring up any bullshit. I think fucking even Cash Patel said something like,

why would you bring a gun to a protest, right? It was it. It was it him that actually said it. He said that. Exactly. Are they not even thinking before they're tweeting these things? No. They're just following the company line. But the company line would say you should be able to bring your legal firearm where the fuck you want in America.

So it's like they're not even, they're scrambling to defend something that's indefensible to the point where they're willing to rebuke their own constituents. Exactly. They're willing to insult their own constituents. Like how dare you live a constitutional life? How dare you exercise your constitutional rights? You should just do whatever the fuck we tell you to do. Yes.

And that's why I wonder. when his base is going to open up and see that this is the play that they've been playing since. Yeah. Yes, it is a, it's like, it's an interesting thing because I think that we have like an all-time low expectation of government and like we have an all-time low expectation of faith or trust in government, you know, like government officials enriching themselves on both sides of the aisle, right? So it's like, it's almost like it's horrible when we see, you know, Trump's family make 100,

a million dollars on fucking meme coins. It's horrible when you see Pelosi do it. It's horrible with the Nepo baby shit. Like, it's horrible, but for whatever reason, we're almost, like, desensitized to it because we're so used to it happening. Yeah. Right?

This feels distinct. This feels different. This feels like something I haven't seen in my lifetime in America. Do you know what I mean? It's like, this isn't, like, run-of-the-mill political corruption and cronyism. And to me, this doesn't feel different. Like during the BLM stuff, like, I feel like cops were killing people and immediately they were trying to turn the person who died into the aggressor and like make them the reason why that situation happened.

Like Philando Castile. Yeah, yeah. Like before an investigation happened, it was like, oh, wait, he sold drugs back in a day or he's a user or a gang member or something like. That's a fair point. So this is not new. That's a fair point. This guy was white, Alex. That's very nice.

This guy's real shit, bro. I've seen this folks in Minneapolis. Like, I've seen them, I've seen like some liberal folks in Minneapolis, you know, said that they were buying guns and they wanted to make sure they could defend themselves against tyranny, etc. And it's like, again, I grew up in New York. we weren't allowed to have guns. I don't have any kind of like infatuation with guns. But what?

No, no, no, you finish your point in then. But like, in a weird way, does this highlight, I can't believe I'm saying, but like the importance of an armed republic? And you know it's crazy? Because of what just happened, I'm second guessing whether or not I should get the gun that I'm currently applying for. Because you're worried that if you had a gun in an altercation like this, it would put yourself in...

Literally, he was just doing the wrong. right thing coming to this woman's defense. Yeah, I know. That was a crazy thing. The ICE officer, I don't even know if anybody's talking about, like throws the woman out to the snow. Papers, he's just trying to protect it. There's no way you do that. What's that?

The only pushback on that, and I just was reading online, like, sort of things about this. What you wrote? Yeah, because I was reading what I wrote just a second ago under my burner account. But some people, some consulate carry people are saying that he should not involve himself in an escalating thing while armed.

Go fuck yourself. So that's the argument that we were saying. It's like, okay, what would we say to our children? We would say that. We would like, hey, don't involve yourself in, you know, a conflict like that if you are arms. You're raising the stakes. What would we say to any of our friends?

comply with law enforcement. That's what we would say to anybody that we care about. We love because we want to see them come home a night. That's what we would say. But there is a higher expectation that we have for law enforcement. Of course. And the reality is that a lot of these ice dudes, these aren't like lifers working for ice. A lot of them have like six weeks of training.

So they're underman, undertrained, and zero accountability for their actions and no identity to reflect upon. You know, it's like... And we would tell people, hey, don't get involved, but I know myself, if I saw a wrong happening, I'm going to step up. I did that shit and you ended up in prison this way. I saw something wrong. I have to step in. Yeah, I did that shit and I ended up prison too. Yeah, more than a black man in an establishment.

Next time we're in Ghana, I'll do it again. But yeah, so it's... Yeah, he did the noble thing. He did the heroic thing. That's what you hope... That's what you hope your son does in general, but even though the selfish party's like, no, just come home. But if your son did that and survived,

you'd be so fucking brown. Yeah, like, imagine that was a medical background. Like, who better to, like, be around, you know what I mean, than someone that actually is, like, a medical training to assist. So that's why I was like, I was really thinking. I was like, holy shit, because I know, once I have it, I'm a have it all me. Always.

So I'm like, fuck, that could be me. Yeah. I mean, that is somebody to consider, though. No, I'm still getting it, though. I obviously still get it, but it is something that is always concerning. I can imagine when you're carrying a firearm, things can escalate to death very quickly. Yeah. I think people say that.

They're like, if you own or carry a firearm, the likelihood, of you dying by gun goes up, like a significant percentage. Now, I think a lot of that might be suicide. So I don't know if that like skews the data a bit, but... Yeah. Yeah, it's just horrific. And you want to know some crazy shit. You know, like, and this is not to get conspiratorial, but it's pretty, like, blatant.

So, like, the U.S. just takes over TikTok, right? Like Larry Allison and, like, a few other people bought it. Yeah. There's been all these people that are, like, political. commentators on TikTok and Instagram that I follow. Some have been very critical of me and us, whatever, but I still follow because I want to know what's going on.

All of their political stuff is being throttled to zero views. If you talk about ice or anything political, if you're even talking about the weather, zero views. You can talk about other bullshit. And again, I'm not making some like, China's the best argument, but like we talked about... We are China too. We were concerned with China

controlling TikTok because it was like they could control the algorithm what can or can't see. And it's like the second America gets it, there's no videos about ICE, no videos about the shooting, no videos about political pushback in this, right? And now, it's probably advantageous for China if those videos proliferate TikTok, right? Because it's going to cause more unrest in America, et cetera. But that's crazy the second that we get control of it, it just so happens to be a data outage at a data center. Wow. It just so happens. Yeah. Wow. It just so happens is the biggest political controversy of the year right now in the United States of America. The

biggest social media platform in the world just isn't working. Wow. And people's views throw to zero. They don't even know how to throttle it right. You throttle it to like 100,000 views. They throw that shit to zero. That's like Russia. That is like state sanctioned censorship.

I don't think they care how it looks. I don't think they care about optics. But you saw the CBS 60 Minutes thing? They're like, what were we going to do for? Do you see this? You get sent to the two? Robbie sent me his tweet. they're like, what are we going to do for 60 minutes this weekend?

This is this past Sunday, right? This is this past Sunday. They're like, we're going to do a movie night. Now, again, maybe they had this book to weeks in advance, and they have to do it according to scheduling. They didn't have a story set of, like, I'm sure there are other arguments you can make, but it looks incredibly tone deaf.

Tone deaf and coordinated. Who's the network that fired Stephen Colbert? Who's the network that Larry Ellison also owns? Yeah. Yeah. Right? So it's just like... They're gonna...

I bet you CVS is gonna tank and probably they're gonna kill TikTok because now you saw that new terms and agreement, whatever? No, what is it saying? Like now they can track your geo-location. They can get so much more information from you and people are deleting TikTok now.

I'll be honest with you. I don't think people care anymore about that privacy shit. I think that was popping for like a few years where people were like, I'm gonna put a sticker over the camera on my computer. Now they're like, watch me. Like, I'm going to stream 24-7.

I don't give a fuck. Like, I don't think people... Maybe it popped up on my algorithm, but it seemed like... No, I don't think people... I think he's saying people won't stick to it. Yeah, there's a handful of people that won't, but I think at the end of the day, people are going to gravitate towards attention. Don't mean addiction wins.

Yeah. Also, somebody else, my boy Matt McCoy pointed this out. If you have clear, do you guys have clear? Yeah. They got your full fucking retina scan. That's a private company. Yeah. They can do whatever they want with that.

It's crazy. It's nothing I'm going to give you that you don't already got. You got my entire retinal scan. Fingerprints, retina, it's all you. You can do whatever you want. If it saves me five minutes getting on, I'm planning, hey, you want my cum, you, my DNA. That's what you want.

Yeah. I mean, Facebook kind of proved like the privacy shit no one really cares about if it's convenient enough. Exactly. You know, like that was years ago. Then if it's like, this shit's popping, like, yeah, it takes. Yeah, the only thing that will matter is the TikTok experience still fun. And if it's not, then it's a problem.

But I wonder if it's so throttled right now that people just start to... I don't know what they'll weigh. Will they weigh distraction over information? Well, people like, I'll just watch, like, stupid cat memes. I don't care. I'll just watch Housewives clips. I'll just do this dumb distraction bullshit. Unfortunately, most likely.

They will. So then... Yeah. I support that. Apparently that privacy thing, like, is less egregious. than possibly thought about. These are things that were already... Fuck you fact-checking for it.

No, no, no, no. I can sense the trepidation and you sharing this information. I understand it's not coming from you, Miles. You're just sharing what exists on the internet. So please, please. It's a little less egregious, apparently. It's that the data is being stored now locally in California, and there are laws in California that tell you

that your data is being tracked. So it's just a... Oh, so they have to disclose more. It's a disclosure thing. So they were just doing it already. Apparently so. I don't fully know. I mean, of course, they're all tracking it. Dude, have you ever got like a nonsense app, like an app that like just opens a door to your gym?

And then immediately asks, would you like this app to track your other apps on your phone? I'm like, what the fuck are you? You just opened the door to the gym. Why do you need to track my other ass? So every app on your phone is getting information from every other app on your phone and every place that you go. And Palantir has it. They got it. That is what it is.

We live in a police state. One day I'm going to learn what Palantir is. I feel like I'm missing out on selling data because I feel like that's the new hustle. Like just get people's data and everybody that signs up for my podcast studios, it's like, I have all that

data on my fucking selling. Why can't you just sell you our data individually? Guys, if you need information on gays, I'm getting my shit. People know where the gays are. Yeah, yeah. They have neighborhoods. We don't need to find it. We don't need to find it out.

I got the loud ones that like to talk in front of bikes. They have all of Manhattan below 168. Yeah. God. God. So, yeah. So what do we do? What do we, what do we do moving forward?

Look, here's the thing. And, like, obviously, the Internet is going to, you know, frame certain things, certain ways. And that's completely fine. And people are digesting information in, you know, 60-second clips, et cetera. And that allows people to frame situations in a certain way, people in a certain way. people in a certain way, 100%. I don't expect everybody who watches clips of us on the internet to watch

every single interview we do. Like, I'm sure there's definitely people who saw us interview Trump that never saw us interview. Bernie, booted judge or the handful of other Democrats that we've had on the pod. I get that and that's totally fine. And that's the world we live in when we decide to put stuff out on the internet. Yeah, right? Give us credit for getting Zoron elected. Yo, we get no credit. We got a big

Zoe elected. We fixed the bump on the Williamsburg Bridge. That's us. I want that credit. No, but So like I understand that that is that is just the cost of putting stuff out there on the internet And the internet is so siloed that you're only going to get the specific things and I get that And there's it might be frustrating, but it's no like complaints But I think the I think the important thing that we're doing is like not retreating to the security of a side And I think that's what a lot of people end up doing in these types of situations is they just go

Oh, there's a lot of criticism out here for having this take and despite having Trump on the pod or something like that, I'm just going to avoid the conversation entirely, or I'm going to retreat to the Trump side. And it's just like, I don't know, I don't think that's anything that we've done. I don't think it's anything we'll continue to do. I think from the day's been in office,

we've been holding him accountable, and bringing on voices here that are incredibly critical of him and giving them a platform to speak on those criticisms. Yeah. Politics is just messy, though. It is ugly. I don't know. I love it.

I mean, it's fun to talk about, but my issue with, like, having politicians is like, they just got a lie. I like real housewives. I like... I mean, it's interesting. Politics is real housewives for men. Yeah.

But say your point. This is a good point. But just like having politicians like on any show, like they kind of have to like bend the truth. They sort of are required to lie. Right? Like they have private donors

that are giving them hundreds of millions of dollars in order to lie. So I'm like, you ask him an honest question and they're like, yeah, whatever. And also genius, the manipulators. I can't think of a politician we didn't like.

We didn't walk away. And I'm like, I like that guy. Trump. as a guy? Just speak me so. You didn't find his... I'm being serious, you didn't find himself

remotely charmed by him? I just thought he was a lot more savvy than I thought he was. That's where I left. So he was savvier in his ability to charm. But you still looked at

through the lens of he's putting something on he's just trying to win. I think to Akash's point, it's like, yeah, you sit down with these people, like, you know,

sitting down with a Buddha judge. You're like, wow, this guy's so fucking smart and he's thoughtful. And he, like, meets you where you are emotionally. and, you know, Bernie's just coming in. He's just like a wrecking ball of, like, old-school New York charm,

and you just want to fucking hang out with him at a, you know, play chess in the park or some shit. Bernie Charmy and how little he gave a fuck if we liked him or not. Yeah, I found that very nice. I don't know. I try it to be, like, too black-pilled about this shit because I just get, like, I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't, sorry, what's blackbill? It's just, like, so cynical. Fuck everything.

Nothing matters. Nothing matters. They're all liars. They're all pieces of shit. The world is going to go to shit. Why are we worried about it? Which is the easiest way to go through life. That's my inclination.

Have you seen everything everywhere all at once or whatever? You know the dark donut or the dark bagel hole or whatever? Yes, yeah. I think that's a metaphor for it. It's like, yes, life is or life could be meaningless. We could choose to subscribe to this thing that we're thrown into the world and eventually we die. So what's the point in caring?

What's the point in trying to have a pot of perspective on the world? And that is the easiest route that leaves. leads you to the most misery. And like the dad in the movie makes his choice to be fucking happy despite every reason to not. And that is the harder thing to do. And he's a fighter. And if you notice in like the, I don't know, not dream sequences, but the alternative reality is like he's an amazing fighter, right?

Because like that is the fight. Sometimes just being happy in the presence of misery is an amazing fucking fight. That's how I looked at. And I was like, oh shit, he is the bravest fucking character. I think the daughter realizes it. The wife realized it too. She thought he was just like a little bitch the whole time. And she's like, no, that's the strongest motherfucker here right now.

It's to not fall victim to this shit. And to push through and to try to find some joy, try to find some happiness and try to find some positive perspective. So I try to hedge that with optimism where like I like Zoron. I'm optimistic, but I'm also like, I just, I don't know. Like I just, I want it to work out. And so I just choose to believe that it'll kind of work out. But I don't know, I get cynical in moments like this from like,

Dude, I feel that way. Yeah, I feel that way about Zoran. I've always felt that way about Bernie, and it fucking drove me crazy when they robbed him twice. And I even think there's, you know, things that Trump says were seductive as I'm going to end the wars. It's like, I would like those wars to be in it. That'd be fucking awesome. Now, here we go.

Are we going to fucking start another war with Iran? You know what I mean? Like, when he says, we're going to cap credit card debt at 10 percent, when he says we're going to stop institutional banks or whatever from buying up all the single family homes, I go, that would be fucking, that would be awesome. And if he's able to do that shit, I'll give him credit for it. I'm not going to sit here and not call out a strike when it's a fucking strike. But this is fucking heinous.

I think he was starting another war within the U.S. Yeah. Exactly. And then you've got to call that out too. You know, it's, and you're going to get the licks and we're going to get the licks, and that's totally fine. That is what it is. Again, we're not, yeah.

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All right we're back I saw Joey Avery shout out Joey Avery have a have an interesting take He's like he goes I wonder I might butcher this because I wonder if the powers that be choose to create the most political division around big sporting events because they know that there will be convenient distraction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's funny. Right, like, if you are going to do some wild shit, and you know for a fact that in a week or two,

everybody's going to be focused on this big game. And then the week before it, all the media attention is going to be about the preparation for this big game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, will it squash the momentum of that very divisive conversation? Interesting. I thought it was the Epstein followed all this time. That is the other thing.

Yeah, where are them at? Conveniently, not talking about that. We're on like the fifth level of distraction. Yeah. We have the distraction of the distraction with a new distraction. Speaking of which, dude, Seattle and New England, right? We're back. Everything's fine.

Football's on TV. The Patriots are back in the Super Bowl. They have given us a phenomenal playoffs. Yes, the playoffs are so good. Forget everything. Can you break that down? I know nothing about either team. Both games were good.

I felt bad. It was Denver and New England. Denver was the number one seed. And New England only beat them 10 to 7. But Denver lost their starting quarterback at the end of the game before. So they had a guy who had started like four games in his entire career coming in. And at first, he was playing well. But then with an inexperienced quarterback, what you do is you just blitz them.

Once you get really experienced, you love when they blitz you, like you got your four linemen and they send other people. And when you're really experienced, you're like, oh, if you're sending people, it's like double teams in basketball. And that means something dope. Let me get it out and how to break the defense down. But once they started blitzing him, he got flustered, he fucked up, he made a couple mistakes.

And that's the only reason New England won. They're a good team. But I didn't realize how good Denver was until I saw them just dominate New England's offense. New England is a good team. They got a great coach. That guy Mike Vrable, who was a Patriots player, came back and it's like the fucking chosen one, basically.

Oh, that's cool. They went from, I think, four and 13 last year to 14 and three this year. Wow. Insane turnaround. And he's the only real change they made. They got Stefan Diggs, a good receiver, but like, it's him. And then they're playing Seattle, who I didn't think would win because their quarterback, everybody kind of thought choked in big moments.

He was, like, highly touted out of college. And his first game, I saw him in college. It was a big game. He played really well. But he said, this kind of fucked his career for years. He was not playing well, and he was playing the Patriots, and they caught him on a hot mic. he was playing horribly and he goes, I'm seeing ghosts out there,

which is like the worst thing you can get called saying if you're a quarterback. It's like, oh, God, this guy's mentally fucked. I thought they say that when there's a white corner. Go along. Yeah, well, now, then you're cooking. Then you're wide open. What do they call?

Milk check? Yeah. You heard that term? No. When a white guy's guarding you in basketball or football, they're like, milk check. Ridge. Yeah.

There's a couple good white corners now. I mean, in history, there's been a couple. Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, it's like Cooper Dejean. I think Jason and Seahorn had like a year. Yo, he had a year who's nasty. Then he had a bad knee injury. I think he just had a white knee.

Yeah. I think he gave everything that one year. And then his knees are like, oh, guys. You got milk checked. We play safety. That's what they do, the white corners. Yeah, yeah, they realize they're slower. Yeah, just stay in the middle and tell me what to do.

Yeah, that is true. But then this guy, Darnold, played, and then everybody thought he would kind of shrink in big moments. He had a couple bad games last year in big moments. This year, the Rams pass defense is not good, but he played his ass off in the championship game. So I don't know if he continues. If he plays like that against New England,

they have a historically great defense, Seattle does. New England is good, but historically great defense. Young quarterback who's really good. He's going to get better, but you can still kind of fuck with him probably. He's in like his second year. So I think I think Seattle would win. I don't know what are the odds?

Seattle, 68% And New England 33%. So right now, Kalsh's at Seattle, 68%. If Sam Donald plays well, I think it's locked in. And they beat the shit out of San Francisco the week before, and he didn't even have to play that well. But San Francisco was very beat up.

So I don't know. I think New England is a really good team. I think I would pick Seattle, but it really is all going to depend, on how this quarterback plays out. Who to our support? Because on the one hand, New England is like a legacy team. Everyone loves them, yada, yada,

but also their fans are annoying. They had enough. But they're also the underdog. Yeah, they had enough. They never, yeah, I don't think the Patriots are ever the underdog in a Superbott. They're like the ladys. You had a lot of success and then you had like five, four bad years. And now you get back in a Super Bowl.

Now you got a great quarterback again and a great coach again. Y'all can wait one more year. Wait, but your hunch is that Seattle's going to win? I think Seattle's going to win, which means New England. New England, all the way. Go past. All the way. Yeah, I probably will.

Yeah, I'm going to drop some money on New England just because he thinks Seattle's going to win. I got my camera equipment back. So if you'd like to pawn it to get money, let me know. You got everything back? I got everything back, dude. I was honestly most concerned about, I mean, obviously the camera equipment suck, but all my drives, all my shows, all my sets. I'm trying to build the hour.

That's the thing I was fucking freaking out about, but I got it all back. Cawning a hard drive is, that is a dedication to gambling. Yeah, right? Because how much you get for a hard drive? Like $100? Not even, right? No, a nice hard drive. Yeah, nice hard drives was expensive.

Really? Yeah, we had a lot of shit on it. And a pawn guy? understands that? How do they have so much knowledge? Right? Like the pawn guys, you have to give it up to them to know how much everything is worth.

They're like antiques, road shows, but for new shit. But even old shit, like, whenever you watch that... You guys ever heard of the internet before? But before the internet, I'm saying, like, you would go with the revolutionary, like, war hero ring and be like, how much is this worth? And then that's it. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay. They probably missed out on some shit, to be honest. You never did the Price's Right Showcase Showdown? Is that what it's called? Remember that game where they made you guess? Yeah, why don't the pawn shop owner just go on there and dominate every time? And rinse, right? Yeah.

Because you just know, oh, that jet ski is obviously A-K, bang. And he gets a jet ski out of here. A-K., I'll give you three. Yeah. Yeah, what do you get from the pawn? Do you get the value of the good? Or is it 50% of the value? Is it 80%?

Like what? No, it's usually a small, small fraction. Yeah, really? You never see pawn stars? No, bro. They just need cash. I love the monstars. Yeah.

The idea is what? You're getting a fraction of it and you're going to eventually, so you're essentially getting like a loan. Yeah. Yeah. And instead of the interest, it's just a low value. Right. Right, right, right.

So like you have this $10,000 item. Here's $1,000. And then if you never, if you come collect it, all right, fine. And if you don't, then I just resell it. Pawn stars was fired, right? I used to watch that show. I was seed little Epps or whatever. Oh, it was fired.

Yeah. Some guy fucking pawned a bunch of camera equipment. He seemed like he was stressed. He seemed like he was really in a bad spot. And they looked at it. They were like, this hard drive is 100 bucks. And they're like, yeah. And it has comedy on.

They're like, I'll give you five. He's going through a hard time. But like, if you're the pawn guy. I didn't say anything. You think the pawn shop is what he's stressed about? But if you're the pawn guy, like, are you judging the desperation and giving a number based on that? I think so.

Oh, probably. Yeah. So, like, you're looking for, like, marks on his arm, you're smelling his breath for alcohol. Like, you're seeing how desperate they are. And then you're giving out money based on that. Yeah.

Yeah. No one's ever given someone a good deal behind a bulletproof glass window. If you're going to do a negotiation with a guy with three inches of flexi glasses from him, you're probably going to get rinsed. Yeah. Odds are.

Is that ethical? A pawn shop? Or is it predatory? Yeah, predatory. Yeah, probably predatory. Yeah, yeah, probably predatory. But not unethical. I mean, what is ethics, right?

Oh, God, have a fucking opinion. I hate when you do this. You ask the question. It's the formulated morals of the group of people. Yes, a yes or no question. We live in a society where it's legal, so yeah, it's ethical. Oh, God. I personally wouldn't want to do it.

Thank you. But you asked me if it's ethical. If you asked me if I would do it, then no. But if you're going to ask the question if something's ethical, then you already know what it is. I'm just hoping you say yes so I could open one. It's really all I wanted. You didn't give me that You don't want that

No You don't want to be in the pawn shop I would never go to an Indian pawn shop Them cheap motherfuckers You ain't getting nothing Yeah exactly You're trying to give them your wife They give you $5

Yeah You pay me A dowry Yeah You get your camera cooling back It smells like curry You don't want to come on dude You didn't like that

No come on no come on No it needs to be more specific All right Yeah You get your It smells like turmeric Tumric is better He's a lot better.

Tumor is better. I like it. Give me a puncher. Come on. You get your camera, equipment, it smells a... Okay, no,

that's what I was thinking. Honestly, honestly? That is what I thought... I didn't want to say it. I don't want to be the one to say it, but that's what my thought was. That was better?

That was where I thought it should go. Just humor standpoint. You know what I mean? If we're only talking humor. You always just lazy racism. Yeah. That's right for. You know, how racism worked.

Yeah, dude, this is educated and formed. New ones. You lost racism. Yeah, absolutely. Pond shops had good bikes when I was a kid. I'd get my shit stolen all the time, and then I'd go to and buy your bike back. No, buy another bike. Okay.

You buy someone else's stolen bike back. Exactly. How does the pawn shop handle that? Like, how do they make sure it's yours? And then once it's pawned to them, do they own it? You have 30 to, you have like X amount of time to buy it back from them. No, no, no. So I steal something.

I go to the pawn shop. I pawn it. How do they make sure that it's that it's mine to pawn? No, that's what pawns shops are for? So it's all stolen shit? So what are the legal ramifications right there? There's none. The cops aren't going to go, yo, this is a stolen good.

So we're going to take this back and the pawn shop loses money? And they say prove it. Yeah. No, they told me if I called the cops. This is why I didn't. They said the cops would confiscate the equipment. Yeah, but you would have to show proof that you bought it, go through all that rigmarole and all that shit

nobody wants to do that. I'm amazed you got through rigamarole. I'm so proud of you. Can we just let it come? I'm proud of you. The next word is going to be. But I'm proud of you. I'm trying to give you a compliment. Yo, you're a bully. Yeah. You're a bully.

He said a multisalabic word. He got through it. You know, just let him get his double you, man. I'm trying to come. I try to give love where I could give love. He's dressed like a Y.N. Right now with a fucking his hat. It's high. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah, I don't. Yep, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got it.

Nah, that was good. No, he pulled a grenade on me, so I got to get them back. Also, I got my Christmas gifts finally shipped up from Florida. Do you know what this is? Let me see it. Oh, no, you don't want to touch this. Tuning fork? Nope.

This is a jaw harp. I mean, all time, right? Yeah, the mouth banjo, dude. I literally saw it. Tap on it. Go, go more and one. Sounds like the Australian out back. Yo, white people. I swear it.

How sick is that, right? Y'all need more fun. This is my Christmas gift. This is what I got for my Secret Santa. Why did you get this? Oh, then that's an awesome gift, then. Not I feel bad. I've shit not one of your family's gifts. No, it's secretive.

They don't know who it is. Have you fucked up yet and hit your teeth? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that shit'll rattle your head. Miles, you know about this? Yeah, mouth banjo. It's called a jeez harp. I've never heard of Mount Banjo.

It's called a Jew's harp. It's called? The other name. for it is a jew's harp i wasn't going to bring that out you what it is a jew's heart some people call it a jew harp i personally is this because it's a gift that's from a cheap motherfucker i personally don't use that verbi but why is it called a jew harp i actually don't know i i think it's supposed to be jaw harp and then people kind of like 20 do that's not funny no there's no southern there's no southern there got to be in the way can you get the etymology on that in the meantime this is a little ditty

jew harp here we go it's from it's uncertain if it's connected to Jewish people or Judaism at all. The old English word the Gougar. Oh yeah, you're right. The Juj-chomp. The Juj-Hop.

It's French, dude. This is a European instrument. Now, are you actually doing anything with your mouth? Yes, bro. My mouth is doing insane tricks. Look. Oh, okay. Come on, dude.

Does it make another sound besides that one? Yeah, that would sound as mildly. Do you want an A? Can you play something? You want to play something? Yeah, like something that sounds like a song. Okay, I'm in. All right, there we go.

You got a tap your foot, and your boy's got a spoon. He's playing a spoon on his leg. Okay. Maybe with a spoon it goes to a thing. Almost. I'm just practicing. My lessons, I haven't started my lessons yet, but once I get my lessons,

then it's going to be over for you all. So it goes from that, and then you guys have to climb buildings. That's like... Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about Alex Honnold That she was crazy. We were debating the Alex Honnold to climb outside.

Okay. Because someone in the studio, I won't say who. Hold on, can we stop before and just say one thing? Uh-oh. Have you ever seen a sporting event that was more anxiety-inducing for a longer period of time than this climb? You can say the World Cup. So you sit in anxiety.

That World Cup final? We all watched it. It was terrifying the entire time. Wow. I feel that with boxing matches sometimes, but at least you get a little bit of a break. This shit was... Well, for you, pacifically. Pacificly.

Because you hate heights. Huge fair of heights. But we were talking about it out there, and someone said that this was selfish to do. Why? He is kids. He's doing this and while he is children. Yeah. It's smart of conversation.

I don't think it's selfish. But he's also, this is how he feeds him. That's what I'm saying. He's a high-risk job. Also, I don't even know if this is risky. He made this shit. like wild easy. No, there's risky parts.

Bro, you got to get some clips of this. It's risky for me to do this. This shit is stupid, bro. This shit is so fucking stupid. Why is it stupid? Just like, just why? Why do you think it's selfish, Miles?

Because I don't want to watch you die if you fall. Bro, he's so safe. But then don't watch it. Well, we are watching to see if he dies. Yes. Well, I couldn't watch it. I had to wait until he did it

to watch it. Oh, really? You made sure he made it. I wouldn't know. I can't watch. I can't watch it. shit. See, that makes sense. You got to see when he climbs up like these little dragon portions. You see those like silver things that are extending out

past the building. There's, so the thing about this is like, there's nothing that he can grab his hand on and like hook behind. So all the grabs he's doing, he's holding it like a brick. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Yeah, just standing up there is the same.

Shit. Yeah, I think you need to do, see him go up. I think they're called like the dragons or whatever it was. Also, the, like, there are working in the office, how is, like, there's one crazy person that's all it takes is to do a jump scare. Yeah, yeah. And he slips for one second, he falls and he dies. Yeah. And he does have a wife and two kids.

And I get the idea that it's selfish. Like, there are certain things I would not do now that I have a wife and kids, but I also don't do these things for a living. Like, this is what he does to provide for his family. He's literally built different. The wind up there is probably crazy. Crazy. No, isn't you saying that he's missing a part of his brain or something. Yeah.

I think he's a big deal. It's like, then it's not that crazy. That's what I'm saying. So you think the only thing that's crazy about it is the fear factor. And once you eliminate the fear factor, it's just climbing like you're at the park. He's just a retard. Yeah, that would explain the strength, actually. That would explain the strength.

He's not a frame of anything. Look at this. Look at this. I mean, that's. This is actually the worst angle for it because right now he's extended off the side of the bird. Al, I want to be with you and make this like, oh, this is awesome. Yeah, I don't know. Wow.

So there was an hour and 20 minutes of this straight. Wow. You watched it. Son, I watched the whole thing. My wife tried to watch something else on the phone. On the TV, I had it on my phone watching the entire time. I wish we can put a hole out. I just want to know the race of people watching it.

I don't think a single black person. I don't think a single black person. No, this is fire. I think it would be more fun to watch with black people. Yeah, it's like magic. Yeah, but it's too long. It's too long. It's like, you know, when are you going to fall already?

Like that's what... But the entire time you're thinking, man, this guy could die in front of the entire world and his family live on Netflix. Sunny's smiling, it's crazy. The smile is crazy. Dumb motherfuckin' fucking doing this thing. I'm going to bed this.

This was easier than most of his climbs. Yeah. Most of his climbs out in the wilds are way harder than this. El Capitana is way, like by 10 times. That's what is that? El Capitana. That's the one he did on Free Solo.

It's like the most difficult... But yeah, I really are just watching like, I don't know if you're hoping that he falls but part of it You're not hoping they falls But you know that that is A possibility But it's like NASCAR

It's like you don't hope they crash But it's like yeah we get a crash It's exciting Now I want to see him defy it I think it's a little bit of that in y'all I want to see him defy death That's the stakes It's ingrained in y'all

Like you are sports because you're like Yo someone's gonna lose Someone's dream is to win a Super Bowl And they're gonna lose Now this is a physical feat That defies death And that's a pretty fucking cool thing And it's hard

It's not like, again, this is easier than what he normally does, fine, but this is fucking hard and scary, and this guy just beats it. Yeah. That's cool. He's built different. I won't yuckier or young, but this shit is stupid. That is greatness. I'm not even bullshitting.

That is greatness. No, he's missing a part of his brain that makes him afraid. Like, if there's no fear, then he's just climbing. I honestly think even if you didn't have that part of your amygdala, you couldn't, and with your grip strength, you couldn't do this. And you got grip strength. I wouldn't ever attempt to do this because I think it's stupid as fuck. your brain was missing. You, you still, the physical feet is still impressive. No, I can do that.

Easy. Easy. You know it requires leg strength, right? Son, I dropped a few pounds. I can lift my body. That's no, there's no legs here. It's all arm strength. I got that. He said an interesting thing. I was, I was watching him talk about climbing. And he said that, he was climbing is closest to going on the stairmaster. I go, what? And he goes, most things that you scale, most rocks, like if you're at like a climbing wall that's indoor somewhere, what they do is the walls often like extend out at a negative angle. So you're kind of like, yeah, he goes, but most of these walls that we scale,

these mountains that we climb have a slight decline. And you don't see it when you're watching the videos, but like essentially you're using your hands so like make sure you're staying on the wall, but you're pushing yourself up with your feet. and you're kind of like leaning into the wall. And I think that's missed in the way that they captured on video. The way they capture on video looks like it's flat, right?

And you're like, how the hell is he holding on with something that's two centimeters? He's kind of like leaning into it. Not to take anything away from him, it's absolutely terrifying. And then the strategy, you've got to like figure out, okay, if I move my leg here. Did he eat midway here? No. I thought I saw some. I mean he might.

There's been, I think, when in Free Solo, though, he's like, a little bite. Yeah, he's like grabbing like a little trail like snack. He's having a great time Literally the whole time He's having a... What were you going to say though? Strategy with the... Oh yeah.

Like if you put... Like, again, I don't know shit about climbing, but if you put your one leg up, all of a sudden now you're like, okay, I gotta get my other leg over to this other hold. So you gotta like jimmy around in order to strategize the whole climb. Yeah.

To know where to put your body. He must have visualized this climb a thousand times. Yeah. Every step. I think he did it prior with a harness so he knows the route that he's going to go. But like there's also things that you don't consider. Like the building

is dirty and greasy, he said. And it rains like a few days before, so they couldn't do it. So they were going to do it live a few days before it rained. So naturally you're not going to be able to do it. And he goes, yeah, but the building is dirty and greasy. And it's really interesting. So he has this chalk in his back, right? But it's so windy. You see the chalk flying out of his bag throughout the climb. So there's a part of you going like, is he going to run out of and the shit is so greasy. Like there's parts where he's climbing up and he's using his feet to wedge, but they're not wedged on anything. He's just kind of like pushing against. like a flat glass.

And as he's pulling himself up, his feet are sliding down. Fuck. No, no, it's crazy. Dude, like I was looking at some of the climbing stuff. That's awesome, dude. I wouldn't do it. Look, there's a moment right here. I think you'll see it in a second if we keep going where he does like a, it's called

like a bat hang or something like that. Watch. Both hands off. What the fuck? The blood in your hands and shit. You'll see him sort of shake him out. Yeah. He's flexing.

At that point, he's doing like an emote or an, whatever. Yeah. I mean, it's just sick. This is what it's all about, dude, watching humans do awesome shit. Yep. Right? You can do awesome shit without risking your life? This guy's adorable. Can you, though? Yes, you can. I think we need stakes. Y'all need states. That's the difference. We not doing this. What's the awesome thing that doesn't have stakes? And the stakes might not be physical. They could be like emotional. You know, it could be like public speaking is obviously terrifying for most people. So they see that. They're like, oh my God, that's so unnerving. I would never want to do it. So what's the thing that you see with

no stakes that you're still like, this is fucking awesome. Fuck, I don't need some time to think about it, but... He likes some IG videos. What are the IG videos you like? The cooking ones? Cooking. I like cooking videos. So like cooking is so...

Look, I love food, but it's so mundane. All the cooking shows got to time it. Right? Like, you gotta do this in under 30 minutes. And it's like, no, you don't. Like, you just... You cook it as much time than things to cook, but there's no steak. So they're like, it's got to happen.

You got to have five ingredients. You got to... You got to make something. They've got to create stakes for shit. Right? Because I think humans react to stakes. It's like we love boxing or MMA because we know it's the highest stakes. You can fucking die in there.

You never watch the Humans Are Awesome compilations on YouTube? You never seen this? Dude, it's the greatest. What are you saying? This is, I mean, they go viral every year. But it's just white dudes doing white boy shit. And the whole title just humans are awesome. And it's guys just jumping off clips, like cliffs and squirrel suits and shit.

That's true. White people doing white people shit. I mean, there are some very. versions that, like, you saw the one, we probably even watched it on the pod where, like, where the guy is in the squirrel suit and... Oh, and he flies through the rocket. Crazy. That was crazy. See, because it doesn't get you fired up that you don't say I go.

No, hell yeah. Now, that one I go, that's too much. That one, it looked cool at it because it looks fun. But also, it's like, if you only pay attention for when they do these life-risking stuff, now we're encouraging them to do the life-risking stuff. And then we don't see when they die. Bro, he would do. There's bad people die and trying to impress you, motherfucker.

He does this alone. He's been climbing for years by himself. Let me tell you somebody. This is how difficult it is. And he just started to get it paid now. Exactly. He's making money. But this is how hard is to have two kids.

That is his just time away. You know what I mean? Like he goes, it's so funny because everybody without kids would kept going. Like, he has a wife and kids, why is he doing it? And like, once you have kids, you're like, nah. You know what I get it? You want a few minutes to just buy. When he's on the top and no one can talk to him.

Also, he's capping throughout the whole thing. He goes, throughout the whole thing, he goes, yeah, I think my headset's broken. Can't really hear you guys. All right. Yeah, I pulled down. He can hear y'all. I've done that. He just needs some time by himself so he can enjoy this beautiful climb.

Yeah. This guy's a hauss, dude. You've heard of Pro-Life Spider-Man? No, what is that? Oh, yeah. Pro-Ly Spider-Man is a kid who's in his, like, early 20s. He's like a very sweet-looking kid, and he freest all those buildings all. over the world and in New York City did some crazy ones here without the fanfare of like Netflix

and he films himself the whole time like repeating I think Bible verses and also talking about the fact that abortion is bad and then he always gets arrested at the top and then hopes that the news will cover it and ask for his statement and the statement is that abortion abortion is bad there's another guy named Alain Robert Alain Robert. Alan Spiderman yeah, a land, French Spider-Man. And he's he just he looks like he's a hundred years old, no bullshit. And he's been doing this since like the sevens. He climbs buildings. Like that's his thing.

No ropes, free solo. I don't even think they have a spectacle around it. So this guy ain't even doing nothing new. Fuck, we tune it in for. The thing that's new, the thing that's interesting is that it is live streamed. Yeah. Yeah, we never seen that. So you just want to see him die on the spot.

Why do we watch people go in circles in NASCAR? That's what I'm saying. You prove my point. Y'all, love this. this shit. Do you like to potentially see somebody die? So what is the, I mean, the joke is obviously like it's so dangerous being black that this is not what you guys do for fun? Like this is, I've heard versions of this job where it's like white people are so safe that we got to find death for fun. Yeah. But like what is the thing that you,

you're like, okay, I got to try that shit. I don't try anything that I can die now. I used to back in the day. Like what? What would be skydiving, bungee jumping? Skydiving, bungee jumping. Oh, so you get it. Yeah, but that's when I started hanging out. with y'all. You didn't skydiving it until you're hanging out with me. No, I did it once before, but it was with a white dude. There you go. Yeah, I don't think there's that many skydiving instructors

that aren't white. No, I mean, the guy I went with. Like, it was a group of us and I was the one black guy. If you saw a black skydive instructor, what would you what would your interaction be? Just as qualified, all right? I would say more qualified. You're probably, jump on the plane. You know, that is

interesting. Like, Not as he is qualified, but like if you saw him, would you be like, what brought you here? Like, would you have a moment where you had to pull him aside and be like, how did you end up? I would just think he grew up into burbs. That's it. You're like, you grew up with white people and you don't know how crazy this. Yeah.

And what if he's like, nah, bro, I'm from the, like, I just love skydiving. It was this or drug dealing? That's how you got out. He's like, hey, fuck, sling some rocks, bro. My God. No, bro. Climb some rocks. That's what it's all about.

I'm telling you, there's another dude. Oh, what's his name? I can't remember his name. Caveman something, but he's a black dude that goes and, like, interacts with the wild animals. And, like, he, like, goes and finds anacondas, like, in the Amazon. Not real Tarzan? Maybe. Maybe.

I can't remember. Remember brother nature? What happened to that kid? Yeah, I remember him. With the deer, Canella. The deer is named Canella. What happened? I don't know.

If you guys want to watch another great thing that sort of feels like this, Man on Wire. I heard about this movie. Great Doc from late 2000s, where a French guy, I think, put a wire across the Twin Towers and walked it and laid down and did some wild shit. Yeah.

So you've seen the Alpinist documentary? That shit is insane. Yeah, that one's wild. If you like Friso, you got to check that one out. Insane. The album is, I think he's French-Canadian. That shit is insane. He would do free solo ice climbing.

Whoa. And which is like the most dangerous climbing. I don't want to spoil it, but he dies. Really? Oh. There you go. That's crazy. But he doesn't do it for the dock.

What's his name? Mark Andre Lecler. Lecler. Was a Canadian rock climber. Yeah. That's sad, you. That would have been so cool if he lived. But he did live for a while.

And then he died doing what he loved. He died. All right, here's the one where I start to, where what you're saying resonates. Okay, ready? I think it's called spurlunking. Oh, yeah. What's that?

What's that? Yeah, this is crazy. I don't like this. It's exploring caves. Oh, Schultz, have you seen the Nutty Putty? Yeah. Son, I'm too claustrophobic for this. That terrifies me.

Son, sometimes they're looking at that scares me. They're going into these cave systems. I don't understand what. they get out of it. I don't understand why they do it. I have no, I have no understanding whatsoever what compels them to go look. It's not like, oh my God, here's this beautiful view. Like, maybe at the end you get to some cave where there's this underground's beautiful site and you get to see just boogers hanging from the ceiling. To me, there's nothing exciting or beautiful. When you're at the top of that fucking building or at top of the mountain, you're looking the entire

world as far as the horizon can see. I get that. That is appealing at least. You go to the top of the World Train Center, you go to Top Empire State Building, you look out, you're like, whoa, this is an amazing view. So I at least get that a little bit. This shit right here, I don't understand why they do it. And sometimes they're going in these cave systems. Look at that. Sometimes they don't know where the cave systems go.

The fuck is happening. They've got to take off the helmet to get through, and they can't get out. And sometimes they just die there. Sometimes they've got to hold their breath to go under the water to come up the other side. There's some wild shit. Yeah.

Sometimes they just get stuck and it rains. And now they're stuck in the cave. they drown in the cave because they didn't expect the rain. So in all them little kids went missing, they were just slunking? They were flunking and it rains and it flooded the cave system.

Yeah. This is like why you feel about him climbing is how I feel about that. I don't like this. I can't even look at it, dude. It makes me uncomfortable. There's one called the Nutty Puddy Cave Incident. It's really sad story.

What happened? You'll watch these videos where they describe what happened and there's like a there's no video of it. It's just diagrams. It makes my chest. Yeah, the nutty potty one is tragic. Traged. It stresses me. Well, bring it up, guys. There's no video. It's only an analysis and then a diagram. There's a guy named John Jones and he is in the Nutty Puddy Cave. I think it's in Utah. I see. Going deeper and deeper thinking that he's going to like find either a way out or

at least to turn around. He ends up getting so deep in there. He's sort of lodged upside down. There's the image right there. And his other buddy, he goes, dude, I'm stuck. I can't get out. His legs, they have to like, he's so stuck. So his buddy crawls back out and then goes to get help. And it takes hours to get help. And the people come in.

And he's been stuck upside down the whole time. And they start to try to figure out how to get him out there. They have rescuers. They put this crazy pulley system. And they're like, dude, we might have to break his legs the wrong way to pull him out. All of this awful, awful stuff. And the video will explain it way better. they finally get it attached to his legs, if I'm not mistaken,

and they start to get a little bit of movement with them. And it's like it's a wire attached to a thing, attached to a thing, attached to a thing. He's still alive as far as they know? Still alive. Yeah, he's on calm so he can talk to them. Yeah, they get a walkie talk down there to him so we can talk. They start to get him out. They start to get him out.

And all the things break from the holds they were in. And he falls back deeper into it. Nope. They get him a phone and they drop the phone down there. and he, like, slowly falls in and out of consciousness, tells his wife he loves him, and he dies, and they seal the cave. Wait, but why did he die from what? His head's upside down, cold, exposure.

He's down there for, like, 24, 48 hours. He's freezing. It's like, can't breathe. Can't breathe slowly, like, the blood is filling up in your head and lungs. Oh, yeah. That shit is crazy. Sorry to bring the mood down, but I watched that video and straight up, like, that is sweaty palms.

yuck yeah i don't i don't support that activity at all we should make that illegal immediately what is the benefit of that and i guess you're you're so tight you can't even like like you can't turn your arms to when you're falling back down stop yeah because you're stuck like this yeah and you can't even move your because i was like why need to stop himself but you can't yeah because you're like this trapped why need back in if you don't know where that like where it's going to end if there's even an end why didn't you back in because i guess you need to see where you're going I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, this one's stressing me out. I hate this. But how is this? The guy's climbing the side of a building. There's only two things that happened. He makes the top of it or dies. And this stresses you out? Both stress me out.

That one is stressing me out, but it's not as crazy, though. My biggest fear is being buried alive. It's like my greatest fear in the world. Really? Yeah. And how does that, like, manifest itself? It's not like my actual fear, but like, if you think about what's the worst way to die. Closophobia.

Yeah. I'm claustrophobic. That scene in Kill Bill is like, I'd just die. I would just give up. Yeah. When you watch the Mr. Beast thing where he's buried alive. I can't even watch it. Wow.

David Blaine did it. Yeah. Did you see that at all? Nope. Yeah, I hear you on that, dude. That is just... But like, do you think back flipping is cool? Yeah, it looks cool.

It's cool. Yeah. It's cool because it's hard to do. Like, most people can't. Mm-hmm. And it's a little dangerous. Yes, a little dangerous, yes. But if you can pull it off, it's sick.

Yes. This is just that. times a bejillion. Nah, but this is like death or you succeed. That's a backflip. You get hurt or you do a backflip. Yeah, but backfoot, people aren't dying doing backflips. But if you want to be more

hardcore, you just stretch that out. That's what I'm saying. You guys need to be more hardcore. Yeah, why do we feel that need? I don't get the need. Like the people that jump from building to building. I watch that on Instagram all the time. I don't understand what they do. I saw a guy jump from a building onto a light pole and slide down. I hate watching. You like those, don't you? I don't think I like it.

Okay. I just think I can't look away. Yeah. I think watching humans do incredible things is cool. Football is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things. Basketball is cool because it's human beings doing incredible. Honestly, I feel this is a cultural thing. Like I think you grew up seeing all the extreme stuff and then it's like... We're desensitized to it. And we need a little bit more. It's watching porn. Yeah. It's like you're just watching regular fucking and that's funny. And like, and you grew up culturally not watching these things. So when you see somebody like do a kickflip, you're like, what the fuck? We need to see somebody climb up. building. That's why we're blown away by magic. That's the wildest shit. I think it's because y'all believe it a little bit. I do think y'all believe it a little bit. A little. I think we are very like spiritual and it's like, nah, that maybe the devil's work great there. So stay away from us.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's granted. That's granted. Ask a prudent person about like spells. And they'd be like, no, I don't fuck with that. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, we don't. So my, my, uh, my nanny won't read. Harry Potter? Halloween books. Wait, what? Spot has a Halloween party.

It was around Halloween, and I was like, oh, yeah, Shala really likes this book. And she's like, oh, okay, that's great. And I was like, do you want to give it a check? She's like, I'll let you read that one. And I was like, are you not into this? She's like, no, no, no, nothing with the demons. I know. I go, what about Harry Potter?

She's like, of course not. I don't. And then I was like, no, but, I mean, I don't want to impose my, cultural values on you at all. But it's just like for fun or whatever. She said something like, the devil's always fun. She said some like,

there's a specific bar. What is the word? The devil's not a guy with horns and a pitchfork. He comes to you as everything you always wanted. Exactly. Something like that. She said something and I was like, that shit was whack.

That shit will get you. I mean, it's easy for me to make fun because I'm like, come on, it's a Halloween book. But also, I would never do a Ouija board. Oh, I don't fuck with that shit. I don't fucking that shit I'm fucking that shit in. Yeah, I wouldn't do a Ouija board.

Son, I don't, yeah. I've never seen a ghost or nothing like that, but I wouldn't. It was like a thing. What? The way that you feel about him flying the knowledge. That's how I feel about a Ouija board, bro. We're walking down the street because Mark was dealing with this existential threat of, what is it? What is it? What is it word?

What? When we were walking on wolf gangs? A paranoia? Yeah, he was dealing with this existential threat of like paranoia. He's like, do you ever get paranoid? Is that like something that affects you at all? And I'm like, nah, I don't really, I don't really get paranoid that much. I wasn't dealing with it.

I just brought it up. As I'm saying that, I veer off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic, right? As I'm going, no, I don't really, it's just not something I even think about. And then Mark just starts laughing. He goes, what are you doing? And I go, bro, there's a ladder right there. I'm not going to walk under a ladder. Avoid the whole ladder onto the street.

I take oncoming Toyotas over a ladder. And I followed him. Because I'm not going to be the dumb ass To be like Well, I'll go through the way You know some shit, I don't know So I'm gonna go around it Also, when we're kids, 90 sitcoms always had a Ouija board episode

Where they fuck with the Ouija board And something bad happened And every time I was like, why would you ever? What's the point? That's my ladder shit. It's so easy to walk around the ladder. In the traffic, yeah. I still don't step on cracks

Because I don't want to hurt my mom's bad. If you step in a crack, you break your mom's back. That's what they say. And I still avoid cracks in this day. Yeah. Yeah. Funny. I have to change the pace of my wall.

Really? You actually? Yeah, I swear to God. You don't want to crack her back? Yeah. What? Relax. What?

What? What? What? You said? No. Wait. What? What do you mean?

I don't want anyone's back to get hurt. I'm with you. My mom was telling me, she don't respect the all due respect. Yeah. I'll just let you know. Next time she sees you, you're going to have some words. Miss Media. Yes.

Miss Media, I love you, Mrs. Media. You know I love you. It's with all due respect. I feel I've only said kind things. All right. Let's just stop. Mark was talking about getting your back crack, and I feel like with all to respect, that is a violation. You don't step on cracks.

That's our whole thing, right? You don't step on crack. Yeah, but you immediately jump to her back in a crack, which I think is not with all due respect conversation. Yeah, I don't want her vertebrates get fucked up. From what? Slipping. On some dick? Oh, no.

Sorry, sorry. Sorry. This is an episode of Flamedman. See you on Patriot. Oh, Patriot. I don't do that. Jeez.