Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - New Epstein Files More Evil Than We Thought, & Who Is Next Epstein?

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

YERRR Saagar Enjeti is with the boys diving even deeper into the Epstein rabbit hole. And this one gets WILD fast. From Les Wexner and insider trading to foreign intelligence leverage, the questions just keep stacking up. We’re talkin’: – Redactions, false passports, and why the U.S. isn’t investigating – CIA middlemen, Iran-Contra connections, and Epstein’s global network – Dubai ties, financial crashes, and whether Epstein was just a pawn – Trump, Israel, Iran, and who actually benefits from the silence – Missing footage, hacked emails, Zorro Ranch, and the hunt for co-conspirators – Plus: billionaires, press access, and why accountability never reaches the top Is this about justice, or is power protecting itself again? All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 0:00 What did they all say before? Only 2% 5:30 Redactions, Les Wexner & Tax "advice" 9:45 Lord Mandelson, Insider trading + Global elite 11:55 Trafficking women + Only US not investigating 16:23 Insider trading, Blackmail + Foreign Intelligence 19:18 Leverage, False passport + Church Committee 24:52 CIA using middle men, Leverage + 1992 29:44 Les Wexner, Iran-Contra + Birthday "messages" 38:23 Co-conspirators, Dubai connections + Intermediaries 41:33 Epstein wasn't a problem until 2019 + Paperwork error 47:08 Body double? We've been on this + Cabal 51:13 Financial crash = permission slip + Bread & Circus 54:47 Interest in creating chaos, Libya + AOC speech 1:03:33 AOC "answer" on Taiwan, Deep state + Foreign policy 1:12:05 Lutnick lying, Confidence + Handlers? 1:18:42 Trump's, Policy? Access to power 1:28:16 Not looking into Epstein, Loyalty & Power 1:32:30 No more files? 1:36:21 Trump administration, Iran + Israel's interests 1:49:00 Khanna&Massie deserve massive credit + Pressure 1:52:34 Why are the Press afraid? Needing access 1:55:36 Billionaires, Antibiotics + Outing not prosecute 1:59:46 Politicians want to go viral + Accountability 2:05:18 Craziest email everyone missed + Rothschilds 2:10:59 Eugenics, Pizza, Snow White + Coconuts 2:19:01 Shrimps, Check this all + Sulfuric acid 2:22:19 "You are going to be 22" + Book recommendations 2:27:44 Poisonous plant + US Virgin Islands 2:32:20 Why does Epstein hate Trump? Where are Epstein's enemies? 2:34:50 Elon begging, People turning Epstein down + The team 2:40:44 Google exists, Emails hacked + Changing email addresses 2:44:04 Zorro Ranch, SARs not released 2:48:15 Next Epstein, Eugenics + Baby Surrogacy 2:56:29 Justifying their narcissism + In the club 3:01:49 Total control + What does justice look like? 3:04:32 Lesser players, Finances + Where's the footage? 3:09:11 Who is Trump protecting? Distrust in government 3:14:19 Ghislaine swapped? Incentives This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? Welcome to Flagrant Boy Shultz. I'm here with Alex Media. Marky Gags. And we have an illustrious guest with us. Okay. Now, Pam Bondi recently said that there's no more files that are going to come out. And obviously this is a huge hoax, probably pushed by the Dems. Probably pushed by those libs. What's the Dow out today? Have we checked? Have we checked? Above 50,000. Oh, we can't talk about it. We got to stop the podcast. We don't need to talk about anything. Who cares about a No, 49,500. We're good. This is about being a short one. Okay. Sager, can you please clear some things up here?

Because it looks like the administration has maybe told some lies. And the last time you came down here, you broke down this Epstein thing in an absolutely amazing way. Clearly, you've been dedicated to this and not, you know, raising your newborn child. And we greatly appreciate that. So we'd like you to get to the bottom of this. Is it possible that Ms. Bondi is lying? No way. Not Ms. Bondi. Let's run it back. So everybody's focused on her most recent disastrous performance where she tries to obfuscate. She tells Thomas Massey, you're an anti-Trumper. You have TDS. She's saying the Dow is at 50,000. What's wrong with all of you for caring about this? Well, I would say, Ms. Bondi, what's wrong with you? So Griffin, can we go ahead and put Pam Bondi list is on my desk? This is a clip almost from a year ago, actually, back February 21st, almost exactly one year ago to the day. And here is what she said from the staff.

of the White House lawn about how the list is on her desk. Let's take a listen. DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.

That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So have you seen anything there? You said, oh my gosh. Not yet. Not yet. She said she had a truckload of files that were literally on her desk, right? That's what she said.

She had a truckload of files that were on her desk. That's what she said on February 21st from the steps of the White House long. That was a year ago? That was almost exactly one year ago to the day that you and I are all taping. If you see the way that she's aged, you must believe there's some horrific stuff. I'm sorry. I'll let you all speculate us to that way. We need her on a retutoride.

Yeah, retineride. No free ads, though. No free ads, though. No free ads. Well, you can't even get it because it's clinical trials. There was also Cash Patel. There's also Cash Patel. Shall we remember, Cash Patel on before Congress, this was not that long ago.

Griffin is the very first element that we have in the administration. A shout out Griffin is here with us in the office. Griffin, you was here pulling up all the links. One minute in pulls up stuff faster than Joe. This is incredible. Information that Jeffrey Epstein, traffic minors, Cash Patel, the FBI director. Cash money. There's no credible information.

None. If there were, I would bring the cash. yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited. So the answer is no one? For the information that we have. In the files. In the case file. So that was Cash Patel. There's no credible information that Jeffrey Epstein traffic minors. And I can say unequivocally that that is just like not true. Now, you can try to parse the language around the word of trafficking. But if we stick specifically with the question of abuse from everything that we've learned. So the body of information that I'm working from today is all of the three

million files that were released by the Department of Justice. As a reminder, there are three million more files. In fact, Channel 4 News in the UK just did an expose saying that in fact there might be only 2% of the files that have been released right now. So some 98% of the information hasn't been. But we can say, you know, empirically based on these files as well as a hacked trove of emails, I had access to through my colleagues and friends over at DropSight News, 40,000 emails. We can say that that's not true. And I can give you a very simple and easy example. Griffin, it's under PizzaGate in the spreadsheet, more than 20 girls, my own tweet. This was one of my own stories that I broke from one of the hacked emails that I found inside of Jeffrey Epstein's own sent inbox, where he sent

himself a memo if you click on that just so they can read the text message. Here's an email he wrote to himself, privileged and confidential, spelling confidential wrong. He says, though I required girls over 18, the results don't reflect it. The feds have spoken to or no. of girls between the ages of 16 to 18. If we extrapolate, we should assume there are 20 girls in that age range. That's a message that he wrote to himself in 2007, specifically in a sent inbox that was meant eventually for forwarding to his own private loan. And the FBI has access to this information.

Not only does the FBI have access to this, they're saying that the FBI had knowledge of that information, right? So this is an email directly where he's acknowledging that there are 20 underage women that he specifically that they knew about from the FBI. So what's the new actual information? But are you alleging that cash could be lying under oath? Right. Well, that's a very interesting question, isn't it?

Right? Under the Congress. Now, is it technically a lie if you never get prosecuted for the lie? If the people who are there who are in charge of it, these are interesting questions as to what's actually in power. But if we look at Pam Bondi, her past claims, remember, she also had that influencer event handed out Epstein files part one. Nobody forced Cash Patel to come on podcasts before the election to say,

I'm going to release all this information. Pam Bondi to say, have the client list on my desk. to hand out these client binders, and then basically turn into an instrument of the cover-up. And what they've done with this cover-up is we've seen a number of files that were redacted specifically against the law. And I think it's interesting to think

last time I was here, this was before the Epstein Files Transparency Act was passed. The Epstein Files Transparency Act specifically says, redactions should only apply in the case of national security and or victim identification. And in multiple instances now, we've seen that they have redacted the names

of co-conspirators, of names of very powerful individuals. So if we want one example, go ahead. Real quick, could you have an example of national security? National security is a very interesting one because that's one that's really up to the DOJ. Oh, sorry, there's one third one, which is active investigation. So one of the reasons why this is really important is that there is currently, this is from Thomas Massey, a theory that they, because of this file release, they're starting

actively investigating a number of these cases, which they can now drag on for a long period, let's say up to three years until Donald Trump is out of office, to make sure that none of the other information comes to light. So even the Files Transparency Act gave them outs, but even within the outs that they had, they had multiple cover-ups, right? So one of the more egregious example is Les Wexner. Let's go to co-conspirators, Griffin, let's put the Wexner cover-up. So this is the Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche, and here Thomas Massey called him out where he found a redacted piece inside of the file labeled co-conspirator. Thomas Massey says this is a well-known retired CEO, D.O. Day, should unredact this. Why did they redact it?

Let's go to the DOJ's explanation. He says the document you cite has numerous victim names. We have unredacted Wexner's name from the document. His name appears in the file thousands of times. DOJ is hiding nothing. However, that document did not have any victim name on it, not one. And specifically, they decided to redact co-conspirator here. Wexner, for those who haven't watched our previous episode, is the source, and some would speculate,

the potential originator of the Epstein mythology. So this is a person who signs over power of attorney. He never fully explains his decades-long relationship with Epstein. He gives him the house where there eventually some financial makeup right here in New York City, the infamous Epstein townhouse for tens of millions of dollars, the largest town home, literally in the entire city. The home is frequented by all these. The home is frequented by Israeli prime ministers and all of these other individuals for meetings and financiers and Prince Andrew. And people are staying.

I mean, it's a real destination for the Epstein. class. Yeah. For all of these, you know, multi-billionaires. Yeah. Full credit to Rocana, the congressman, he's the person who coined that term. And I think it's important. And, you know, people are like, why do you even care about this? And I think that this story fundamentally is about how the rule of law does not apply to the rich and powerful, about how morality itself does not exist in many cases within the rich and powerful. And it also, I think it's an inspiring story. It demystifies the sources of their wealth and how much greater they are than all of us. Because the story that Les Wexner and many of the billionaires

have said for many years is that Jeffrey Epstein was just this highly sophisticated financial mind. A genius at trading and a tax advice. I have searched all of these emails. There's no tax advice. In fact, there's only one. There's one where he sends a link of like a business insider article to his accountant. He's like, maybe we should try this. This guy might be good at tax advice. So apparently that's charging. Now let's remember, Leon Black, one of the richest and powerful men here in New York City. He's part of the Apollo group who literally pays Epstein $150 million. It's a lot of money. Allegedly for tax advice. I explained this last time. He has access to the private wealth houses of every major bank in New York, not Jeffrey Epstein, who is not licensed,

not a trader, not a tax accountant, has no specialty. There's three million emails. I've got hacked emails. There's no tax advice. Can I ask you just a question? And I'm a complete novice here, right? Is it possible that the tax advice is actually Epstein's proximity to people in power in our government and that they can get sweetheart deals for each other and allow people to evade taxes while the rest of us are paying full clip. There's tax evasion. There's money laundering. There's all kinds of a specialty book that Epstein had. You're saying the rich keep getting richer. The rich keep getting richer. The rest of us are suckers and they're not doing it by hard work and they're not doing it by pulling up their bootstraps.

That's the funniest thing. The only indication that we got to Epstein's source of his wealth was Lord Mandelson, who is, by the way, was the UK ambassador to the United States until the Epstein files came out, where he shows he is tipping off Jeffrey Epstein about an upcoming bailout in the UK for insider trading purposes. And by the way, Prince, explain to you how that would work really quickly. So he knows that there's going to be. He knows that there's going to be a government bailout. He sends Jeffrey Epstein email giving him an update that this bailout is coming before this is publicly announced. And thus, what are we able to see? Lord Mandelson, he, specifically, Peter Mandelson, secretly advising the CEO, also on how to fight the labor's

2009 banker's bonus tax, even after suggesting he, quote, mildly threatened the chancellor. Mandelson was then the business secretary. So there's two specific things here. He's brokering J.P. Morgan pressuring the current UK administration of the time and tipping him off for insider trading purposes as to what's happening. But the tip off, for example, is if you knew this bailout was coming, you could, you know, take some positions that would be advantageous to you. cronies in the stock market that the rest of us would not know about. So the rest of us are sitting there and be

like, oh, is the UK going to bail them out or not? I mean, I have no idea. It's not public information. Now, this is information coming directly into his inbox. This is the clearest picture that we have about outright criminality. But you know who's really doing insider trading? What? The girl that cooks with Snoop Dogg. Right. Yeah, exactly. What is her in Martha Stewart? Martha. The girl that will design your house. This is a classic example of what we're saying. This is a classic example of what we're saying is that these people get away with all of the things that lower level people will be prosecuted for. There's a famous statistic, like if you make less than

$25,000, you're 10 times more likely to get indicted by the IRS than somebody who makes over $2 million. It's like, you know, exactly, right? And so like, why? Because they're, they're easy cases. You send them a letter. You take their money. If you want to battle somebody with like two, five, 10, $15, $25, $25,000. You're in court for decades. You're in court for decades, right? They have an army of attorneys. And that's why the inversion of a law is allows this permission permission structure for the entire American and global elite where they get away with financial crimes, they get away with money laundering, but they also get away with some of the most heinous crimes that I think as a society we have decided, which is the abuse and the traffic of women.

Now notice, I'm saying women. There are underage girls that are involved here, but I also think it's really disgusting to obscure the role that these men played in abusing a lot of these, especially Eastern European women at the time, tens of millions of dollars of wire transfers from multiple banks, J.P. Morgan, Doysha Bank, right here in New York City. By the way, if anyone wants to check my work, the New York Department of Financial Services back in 2020, fined multiple of these banks and laid out how they violated their own internal bank policies by allowing all of these wire transfers, if you or I go into the bank and we try to withdraw 9,900, even though that's technically not illegal, because it's below the 10,000,

they'll be like, oh, this is very suspicious, you know, because that seems like you're trying to evade. He did stuff like that all the time. And they were like, oh, it was for tips. Like, they violated all their internal policies. They violated the law, actually, because that's why they got fined. They enabled tens of millions of wire transfers all over the globe to these Eastern European women. And that's the heart of the Epstein story for abuse is both foreign women who many cases were brought to the United States. Aldner false pretenses, maybe they were told they were doing modeling.

Remember, Epstein is linked to multiple people who were involved with modeling agencies. You have Les Wexner over a Victoria's Secret, Jean-Luc Brunel, the now famous Frenchman who was behind the modeling agency. By the way, Jean-Luc Brunel. What happened to him? Yeah, he died in prison, actually. Actually, let's see. It's so unsafe in prison. I have over here.

Do we have the story? Yeah, Jean-Luc Brunel was found dead in his Paris prison cell. I think it's in foreign reaction. Griffin, can you go to France Open's investigation in the document? So they actually just yesterday announced that the French will be doing an array. into an Epstein-linked associate, who at the time was a major figure in the French government and was part of this thing now called the Arab World Institute. But what's even more interesting is that on the Brunel investigation, they're reopening the case. And I think that's another

thing I want to emphasize to the audience. Our government is the only government where there's not serious investigation. The UK... Why is that? Yeah, the UK stripped. They stripped Lord Mandelson of his ambassorship. Now he's under criminal investigation by Scotland Yard. The Prime Minister, Kier Starmer, was up there for PMQs, which is great, if you don't know what I'm talking about, where the prime minister has to sit there and just get shit on by the opposition and answer questions. And he's like, yes, we knew about his relationship. Like, the Starmer government is in literal, like, it's problematic. Like, they might fall. They acknowledge that they knew about his existing relationship with that. Before they still put him in that position. But even worse, they're like, well, of course, we didn't know. They're talking about stripping him of his lordship title, which hasn't been done, apparently. like a long time. Yeah, if you're looking at the screen, that's a photo of the esteemed UK ambassador in his underwear with some girl there in a bathrobe. I think he's gay, so, you know, I don't really

know what was going on there, but just giving, you know, just one of those compromise type photos of where you let yourself get photographed and be around this person. He also, in the emails, sent Epstein things with like, I can't believe you're being so unjustly prosecuted back in the 2008 range. But I'm just giving these examples of other foreign governments are actually doing something about this. Lord Mandelson is in trouble. Prince Andrew is in deep shit. Prince Andrew, because everybody focuses on the pictures. When is something going to happen to him? I feel like we have so much stuff. They actually, they just opened an investigation. Not only did they strip him. He hasn't gone to prison. Not only they strip him all his royal titles. He's actually being

investigated right now because Prince Andrew was a UK trade advisor while he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein and he was forwarding confidential trade advisory documents to Epstein. That's one of the things that came out in the files. Prince Andrew's currently under investigation by Scotland yard and the British police. Now, other foreign governments, I just told you, Francis just did a raid. They're reopening the investigation of John Luke Michelle. Can I just stop you for real quick? I mean, like, isn't the easiest way to see who's connected in the financial crimes is just to see which bank or hedge fund is beating the SMP 500? Well, I mean, isn't that the most simple? It's like if you are clocking 25% a year for a decade,

you know something. Yeah, but that's not just about, that's a bigger of an FEC story. That's like, of course, of course. That's a systemic corruption. But I think part of this, the systemic corruption, I think is part of the thing that's so infuriating. Obviously, obviously penophilia, infuriating. We're all on board with this.

This is disgusting and we should, you know, wipe these people from the face to the earth. But what you spoke about earlier, which is this idea that these people have achieved this massive success. And we're left to think, oh, I guess they're just smarter than us. They just know things that we don't know. And it's like, yeah, they do.

They know insider trading. And they're all, you know, scratching each other's backs. And when they do get caught for something, there, you know, reach out to a guy like Epstein or you reach out to a guy like Lord Mandelson and you make sure that that's get wiped from the record. Let's give a good example of that. Like, in intelligence, Griffin,

can you put up the tweet of mine, help with the Russian girl blackmail? So this is a great example of how the power network works. This is going to link together women, blackmail, and foreign intelligence connection. So back in 2015, here's Epstein and he sends this email to a Russian associate.

How are you? I need a favor. There is a Russian girl from Moscow. She's attempting to blackmail a group of powerful businessmen in New York. It is bad for business for everyone involved. She arrived New York Saturday last week, staying at the four seasons on 57th Street. Suggestions? Question marks? Right.

Yeah, so he's like, she's blackmailing, my friend, who's a powerful businessman. Here's her address. Here's her address. What should we do about? This is very bad for business. What do we do about it? Now, who is the person he emailed? Let's go to the net one underneath that Griffin, the Russian connection.

The person he was emailing was a business. was a billionaire tied, he was the billionaire tied with an FSB Academy graduate. The FSB is basically like the Secret Service of Russia. He is a Putin-linked oligarch. And in fact, they discover, his name is Sergei Beliukhov, who is the Deputy Minister of Economic Development

and later the head of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum Foundation, which runs the International Economic Foundation in Russia. Now, how do things work in Russia? Intelligence, oligarchy, it's all connected, right? And so you need somebody to go away, rich guys in Russia, they're also part of the former intelligence service. It's never technically something that's part of XFSB. So here's an explicit example that we have here. Wow. An intelligence connection, a business associate, black male, on behalf of powerful business. We're all working together. Did anything happen to that girl?

No, actually, we haven't been able to find out whether anything happened to that girl. There's some speculation that this was a woman that was involving Leon Black, who eventually did pay tens of millions of dollars in hush money in a separate suit where he was accused of some sexual, stuff. Like, again, he denies it. He litigates and vigorously defends himself. But I don't know exactly who this woman was. Can you bring that back up for a second, Griffin? Because in the email, it says New York businessman or a businessman in New York. So these would be American businessman that are being compromised by a foreign asset. Correct. Potentially. And now it has come to Jeffrey Epstein's attention by, I imagine, these businessmen or somebody else. And they need to remove the compromising person or the compromising system. This needs to go away. So Epstein becomes. not only this person who fixes tax problems or rather money laundering, but he also can potentially

make people go away. What I'm trying to understand, like, we were talking about those a little bit before, it's like, where does this leverage come from? How does somebody get into a position of power where not only do the business class of the, or the business elites of the Epstein class go to him, but you actually have connectivity with the government as well? Yeah, so let's go to the let's go to the origin story, if we will. So origin story I have in my document. We're going to start with the Mossad email, Griffin, if we can. This just gets to, again, this is, this kind of ties everything together. So in the origin story question, or actually, sorry, origin story, let's do false passport, because that actually even predates that. Okay, so let's start with the

false passport. So I actually, the last time I was on here, I talked about false passports. Now, we actually have a picture of that passport. So let's take a look at that passport. Go to the next one. just to show everybody. Here's a very, very young Jeffrey Epstein in a false Austrian passport. Now, what does somebody want to tell me about false Austrian passports back in the 1980s, back when Jeffrey Epstein's only 29 years old?

This is during the 1980s. Austria, if you guys have never been out highly recommended, and my tour guide, even when I was there, was telling me Austria was the nexus of spies because Austria was a neutral country after World War II, and it's where the U.S. and the Soviet Union had some of the highest concentration of spies of anywhere in the world.

And so here we have, right at the height of the Cold War, a false Austrian passport, which has now been released as part of the Epstein files. This is long before he's very rich. This is, like I said, he's only 29 years old. So already in the very beginning, we see indications of this intelligence activity. Now, why and how do you procure

a false Austrian passport? You don't get a false passport. That's a comment I made before. You don't. There's no such thing as fall passport. There's a passport under false pretenses issued to you by a spy agency. Okay?

So which agency would issue such a... Exactly. That's a very interesting question. Such a passport. Let's, for intelligence, let's go to the FOIA CIA in 1999 document. This is a very interesting document. That was flawed. Can you explain what a FOIA is? FIA is a Freedom of Information Act request. You, any of us actually, can just FOIA, any agency. There are a lot of rules around what can be FOIA and whatnot, but you can pay your own fees and you can say, I want this under the Freedom of Information Act about something. As long as there's a rigorous review process, etc. You need a pretty good lawyer if you're going to get something, which is actually scandalous, and you'll have to fight it for a decade in court. But technically, it is available to you. You have access to information that has been procured by the government.

Yeah, the government has. There are certain exceptions. Congress can't be FOIA. White House can't be FOIA. But executive agencies can. Got me. And so you could FOIA somebody's emails. Like, I could foyer my name in the Department of Treasury if I wanted to.

So you can see if they're looking into you. And the idea behind this is... Or did you see what Saugger said on this podcast, right? I could see... That's interesting. It's a for a journalist. We actually get free FOIA sometimes, depending on the exemption. But this is a 1999 foia that Epstein sent anonymously via his attorney to obtain, quote, all CIA records

that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation between himself in the CIA. He did it again in 2011 to see if the CIA still would acknowledge any links with him 12 years since. 1999 is a very important year. 1999 is at the height of what we call the unipolar moment. This is after the fall of the Soviet Union. And it's when a lot of the Cold War shenanigans were beginning to wind down. After 92, when everything really went away and Russia became democratic, the Cold Warriors, people like Epstein, Adnan Khashoggi, Iran-Contra, the money launders, they kind of fell out

of service because we don't need them anymore. But this gets to my, this, I'm just, I'm pointing and painting a picture of we have a guy with a false passport in the 1980s. We have a guy in the 1999 saying, hey, what's going on? Why aren't you acknowledging your links with me? Last time I was on here, I described how there's a previously story from Rolling Stone. Again, everything I'm saying, I want to be able to make sure people can go and they can check my work. You can go to, let's see, spy origins, I think.

And what we're looking at in this is a Epstein story that was written by Vicki Ward, the OG journalist who wrote about Jeffrey Epstein. She talks about how Epstein was alleged to have been on a private plane to the Pentagon in the 1980s. And he's involved deeply with Adnan Khashoggi, Douglas Lees, other arms traffickers who are at the heart of Iran-Contra. And now people might ask why. And this is where the initial leverage thing comes in. Epstein gets fired for Bear Stearns for financial crimes in the 19- or lying about financial, effectively money laundering in the 1980s. He becomes an expert, in my opinion, at money laundering and moving money across the globe. Why does the CIA need that?

So I explain this to you a little bit, Andrew. one of the things that happened after the church committee is that previously. Can you briefly explain the church committee? Because I think it's important to understand how that changes the way government operas. The church committee was a congressional investigation into all the shenanigans of the CIA in the 1970s.

And so it exposed MK. Ultra, Cointel Pro, all of these crazy things that were happening on U.S. soil, you know, I mean, the coup in Iran, right. Like all of the sanctioned blowing up Castro's cigar, trying to get his beard, all the insane shit that they used to do. And the CIA. In other words, America is doing some nefarious things around the world and within the country. And I guess the United States citizens or at least are, you know, government representatives,

put forward this idea that we should be able to have transparency without it, understand what's going on. So it is a good thing. Right. How can we hold people accountable if we don't know what they're doing? Right. This gets passed and now we're able to hold them accountable. And I'm sure when the CIA saw that, they're like, well, let's just stop doing all those bad things. Of course.

They would never keep doing that. What actually ends up is worse. this is what gives rise to the arms traffickers. Because now the CIA can no longer do it under official auspices. Now they have to hire Jeffrey Epstein's, Agnon Khashogis. They need cutout.

They need the black men, so it can't go back to meet them. They need that black operators, right? Because what they do is they use them as cutouts to continue doing the same stuff. This is how a Rang Contra happens. Iran-Contra, if it was 1960, they would have just kept doing it. But in 1980, they're like, well, it's explicitly against the law.

We need to hire a guy. We need to move money here. We sell it here, sell drugs and move arms to the Sandinistas and all this other nonsense. And that's why it's such a scandal. But that's why you need an Epstein in the 1980s. Because this is after the church committee period, you need these cutout dirty characters. And these dirty characters give rise to the take-in line, a very specific set of skills, which is moving money surreptitiously across the globe.

So how do they get chosen? So the government knows that they need somebody that they can trust. but people that do bad things are not often trustworthy. Right, exactly. And people who do bad things know other people who do bad things. That's how Epstein gets his entree, is that Epstein, he's a young man. He's in his mid-20s. He gets fired from Bear Stearns.

He was on the up and up. He never should have been there in the first place. It's pretty sketchy how we even got there. And now all of a sudden, he's in with lease and Khashoggi and all of these other arms dealers who are like, hey, let's use your set of skills for this stuff I've got going on. And now you start to build up a portfolio. And once you've done one thing, you can do another thing.

You develop an expertise. That's when he starts his company. I only do you get a portfolio. You get leverage over the most powerful governments in the world. Exactly. Because you know some secrets. That 1999 letter is very important just to say, just reminding him. By the way, remember, this is before he's convicted.

This is before anything is out in the open. In case you guys want to indict me. Right. This is what I know about you. Or maybe he's like, you need to hire me again. Or there's going to be some problems here. To me, that's a shakedown letter. That's the way that I saw.

It's like, listen, I need some more business. coming my way because either business is down or something like, I need more leverage. But the question of the initial leverage is that. Also, there's all these interesting connections to Leslie Wexner and to Iran-Contra. So I think this is going to be in the drop-site link. I forget which tab this is in, Griffin. Yeah. Before-R-Side-Side-ExRoy- could it also have been maybe he was checking to see if he's been compromised? Say if he was already an agent, he's like, hey, let me see if my name's coming up anyway. I don't think so. I think he wanted, he wanted to remind them. I've been around. Where's my

acknowledgement, what's going on with this. So these are my colleagues and my friends over at Dropside. They've done a ton of great stuff about Epstein and Israel. But let's go to the Les Wexner, Iran-Contra. Before we go into that, you said 1992. We were referencing the fall of the Russian... Oh, yes, fall of the USSR. So the perestroika is in like 1992. I think it was 1990. I think the full fall of Soviet Union is 91. I didn't do check. The Yeltsin election is like when everything changed. We were talking to Gino Julian Dory.

He does a lot of great investigative stuff on this. And he had posited an interesting theory because I think when they interviewed Epstein's, like the guy would clean up his house. He'd work from forever. Okay. There was this interview, I think like Edwards, is that the guy's name? The lawyer who is representing the victims in Palm Beach. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And so I think they went to talk to him.

And I think he said something in that interview where he was like, Epstein was like doing okay in like 90. in 1990 or the 80s and 91. And then 1992, he said something happened, something changed. Like, that's when the big mansions are coming through. That's when he's, you know, talking about private jets, et cetera. Yeah. Now, Julian connected it to Robert Maxwell. But he was like, maybe this is Maxwell hiding his money, transfers it over to Epstein.

That's why Galane's at his hip, because that's her access to her family's fortune. and this way Maxwell doesn't have to give it back to the people that he stole it from in Great Britain. But bringing up the fall of the USSR is a kind of interesting pivot there because there are a lot of people that made insane wealth in that period. All the oligarchs come to power during that time period. And then they, you know, remade under Putin. No, you're right. Actually, I would even say, yeah, I would say they were limited in some ways under it. Right, it depends.

He removed some and made new ones. Putin sat them all down apparently. in this meeting, which I'm sure has been propagandized for years, but I read a book called Once Upon a Time in Russia by this guy named Ben Miznerk, and apparently he sits them all down and he goes, it's over. Like he literally brings them all to like the Moscow, like presidential state or whatever. He sits them all down and he goes, okay, guys, it's over. So you guys work for me now.

And you can still make money, but you're going to do what I say. And I'm going to get a piece of the pie. Yeah, you're exactly right. He basically made it instead of like free market, robber barren capitalism in terms of state-sponsored oligarchy. Yes. But the oligarchy continues. I think it's actually less Wexner because 1991, a lot of people

forget that is the year that Wexner signs over power of attorney to Jeffrey Epstein. So 91, so he's saying 92 is when things explode. This makes sense that there's an injection of capital. And what type of, I don't think, what's so peculiar is that there hasn't even been an interview with this Wexner guy, yet he's the most direct connection

with money to Epstein, right? Like we know for a fact that this guy gave boatloads of money to Epstein, why are we not sitting down with this guy and having some sort of it? Why is there not at least some version of an indictment. Yeah, he's 88 years old. Remember, he was listed as a co-conspirator in that original document by the FBI. He's the source potentially of Epstein's wealth. If you go back to that,

Griffin, the Epstein thing, I can even show how going back decades that there's these long links between Epstein and Wexner, what Dropside reported, Epstein, Israel, and the CIA, how Iran-Contra planes landed at Les Wexner's base. What? Epstein helped Leslie Wexner repurposed CIA, Iran-Contraplanes from arm smuggling to shipping lingerie. So this is a story from the 1980s. Break this down. Break this down.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. How the Iran contraplanes landed at Lex Westner's base? Is this in Ohio? This is in Ohio. And this is why it's all very important.

So as they show. Wait a minute. This is actually, okay, now we understand why there might be some protection of Wexner because he is also one of these intermediaries. Right. Right. So the government is like, look, you scratched our back. So we're going to kind of protect you as much as we can

because we couldn't do these nefarious acts with that both of you. So, there's also a cutout. And here's my favorite line. Do you, I mean, that's the question.

Well, it's possible. Remember, when we say cutouts, and people, let's like, cutouts and people even zoom out for intelligence.

Because everyone's, and I said this last time, they're like, oh, Epstein worked for Mossad. No, no, no, he worked with Mossad. My friend Ryan, who wrote this piece,

likes to say, Massad worked for him. As in like CIA, Mossad, Russia, FSB, the world's super intelligence networks. They work for the rich and powerful for the global elite

for the oligarchs. And so if anything, to say, worked for is kind of denigrating. It's like, no, no, no, no. It's the opposite, right? They maintain your interest. Exactly. You have a banana farm in Costa Rica. They're going to make sure there's stays in your power. We mutually work together. We maybe land some planes. I love this line from Ryan. Of course, it could be an extraordinary coincidence that Epstein shared a penthouse with an Iran-Contra lawyer, worked for an Iran-Contra arms dealer. And then, as we report now, moved Iran-Contra to Ohio for use by the billionaire retail mogul, Leslie Weck. It may simply be a coincidence that Aoud Barak, one of Epstein's closest friend, was the head of Israel's military intelligence during the planning for Iran-Contra, supervised the CIA's first delivery.

It also might be something that people should take a closer look at if they're so inclined. So that puts it all together, right? Doesn't it? It puts it all together. You have Israel, you have the U.S., you have CIA, you have Wexner, you have the Iran-Contra planes. This is the origin story, the initial leverage. Then there's a question of Wexner and any of these people. The analogy that I gave last time was, if you remember the movie Argo,

well, the CIA could not just put up a front production company. They had to go to Hollywood, and they, as you remember, he hires the guys, they create, but they're real, but it's a real thing, but it's their money. And then it's all on behalf of intelligence networks. Now, do they work for the CIA? Not really.

They work together, right? They work together on this one specific operation. The world's global elite, yeah, the world's global, no, they're 1099. They're 1099. They're 1099. They're 1099 contractors, right? Like, these guys, like, they work sometimes together.

He mostly's working for Victoria's Secret. But if the CIA needs something, okay, let's make it happen. Like, let's, you know, who... The CIA needs access to resources, bases, planes. Why would work? Why would do something like this? Right, of course. Why not? You know, why would it be advantageous to him?

What kind of interest would have? He's a patriotic American. I don't know. He's a patriotic supporter of the state of Israel, right? Which maybe has his own interest in Iran, contract. I mean, he himself is a committed Zionist. He's donated millions of dollars. to Zionist causes here in the U.S.

There's a Wexner Fellowship over at Hartover University. He paid Aude Barak, his foundation, $2 million to write two reports, one of which was never finished. Literally one of which was never finished. Great work if he can get it. You know, I mean, just showing the money

in terms of how this all stuff works. And again, he has this extraordinary hold. You're being a real bad gore right now. Yeah, that's right. But Epstein has this extraordinary hold on Wexner. And that's always the question. Is it blackmail? Is it these past intelligence connections?

Like, what is, one can only speculate. Leslie Wexner's still alive. He's an 88-year-old man. All he's ever said about this is I regret ever knowing him. That's it. That's basically all he's ever said. One public statement. He apologized for his previous relationship.

He says he regrets ever knowing Jeffrey Epstein. And he says, I cut off my relations with him a long time ago, not 100% true. And he alleges that Epstein was stealing money from him. Not that he had cut relations off with him. for anything related to his own behavior. That's why he regrets ever known. I mean, remember in the birthday book, Leslie Wexner drew a picture of literally a pair of boobs

and being like, hey, Jeffrey, this is the only thing that you actually want. I mean, it's all out in the open. It's disgusting, like the way that these guys operate. I thought about that with a birthday book, too, you know, with you guys, like, am I the only guy who's like when my friend is his birthday? I'm like, hey, man, love you, dude.

Happy birthday. I'm like, I'm the only guy. What happens? Birthday punches. Is it just like, am I the weird one who isn't writing violent fantasies? I'm like, Jeffrey. You pay taxes. This is good thing.

Exactly. You pay taxes in the normal shit with your friends. I like the cryptic poems. I reminisce. I reminisce about us being 18-year-old men and violently, potentially, being children. Yeah, or Trump, like, every day is a wonderful secret. Or, I mean, actually, if you want, Griffin, I'm still trying to find this person.

and I would love to put it on a platform like this one. I think it's in the Pizza Gate section. If we look at, there's a, the birthday book suggestive child image. That's my label. I have never been able to find the person who, oh, sorry, actually, that's not, that's not this one. I need to. Quick question. Let's say if, uh, Waxler is like.

By the way, that was in the birthday book, just so we're all, if we're all clear, is a young woman suggestively posing. That was literally in the birthday book. Submitted by one of their parents, which is sick and disgusting. Switted by the parents. Apparently, that's what it was. What does it say here? a new series of pictures

looking coolest? Yeah, looking coolest. That's literally a young pre-processing girl posing in her pajamas for Jeffrey Epstein, which was included in the book. I'd have to try and find... Yeah, I can't...

I don't have it here in the document, but there's a... There's a... Oh, I know, it's going to be an eyes wide shut. That's what it is. In the eyes wide shut section, eyes wide shut birthday book,

I have never been able to find this person. So this was this image that was in the Epstein book where, again, I have no idea what it was, but this kind of reminds me of the movie like in eyes wide shut when they're playing the piano

because there's a piano there at the center and then these pink chairs where people are like watching in the middle and then there's like some it seems to be like a girl or something like

there in the middle in some sort of distress in like this creepy area and this is clearly drawn by a very small child the person who drew it allegedly is to sign their Alberto Frederique Gomez

I've never been able to find him he at one point was here in New York City I have tried so hard to find this person. So Alberto, if you're out there, I'd love to talk to you because I still don't know what the hell is going on. I don't think he wants to talk to you. Well, he was a child whenever he drew this. He was probably a victim if he was included

here in the book, but he seems to be some wealthy guy. I think he's overseas now currently. But at one point, when this was taken, as I understand it, he was a child here in the United States. And he was actually here in New York City. And it's included in the birthday book. It's included in the birthday book. By a parent, ostensibly? I would assume by

a parent. I mean, how else would he have this relationship with a small boy, you know, being able to write stuff. Like, that's, that's the big question. And we know the age? Well, I know the age. I don't know, his age. I found, I found, I found, I'm saying, yeah. It's maybe not a kid. Like, I could be a adult draw. I found a reference to him in the 2000s where he was already a teenager, which is roughly around when this would have been happening. Right. So, like, I could confirm that he was young if that's the same person. And I'm pretty sure it is. I tracked down, there was a gallery here in New York where at one point he did some work with, but the gallery

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Have you found out anything on that? those people? It's interesting. So let's go to the co-conspirators. Let's go to the six co-conspirators video. This is from Ro Khanna. He got some criticism for this because these were men who were mentioned in the documents and some of them had no relation to apps. According to them, again, according to them, but they're private citizens and so I'm even weary of even putting their names or up or any of that because Ro Khanna is the person who, the Rocana is the person who went out. We don't need to play it, Griffin, just to show people. He read it on the house floor. You can do that without, you know, without being legally liable, but I'm just pointing out that those were the names that were

listed. I'll say for the two that we do know of, Sultan Ahmed bin Soleim is a very important one. He just stepped down, didn't he? Yes, he did. And he was the CEO of Dubai Ports, which is a very important nexus in the UAE. And actually, I think DropSight has some stories there, Griffin, if we want to go to their archive about the Dubai connection. because what he was doing with the Dubai Ports executive

is that he was working with Sultan... He is Epstein. Epstein was working with Sultan Salyam. So Soyam is the one who famously sent the email about the torture video. By the way, we actually do have an explanation and shout out actually to Michael Tracy. Michael Tracy found the torture video was a scandal

at the time regarding the UAE. So we can put that one to bed. It's not actually a video of girls being tortured where they reference torture, which is inside of it. But it is a torture video. Yeah, it is. But it's not like, it's not what people originally thought. So here we go.

Here's some dropside. Praise Allah, there are people like you. Epstein nurtured Israel Emirate ties before the Abraham Accords. And they specifically talk about his relationship here with the chief of Dubai Ports World and pitch Israeli logistics infrastructure and cybersecurity investments to the UAE. Question. Yes. Do you think it's, let's say that he was one of these intermediaries.

Right? Do you think that's enough to have this type of global leverage? Yeah, I do. Really? Because it all compounds on each other. It's what I was talking about with Iran-Contra. You start with Bear Stearns, then you go to Iran-Contra, you go to money laundering, you open the Epstein company, you get Wexner. You only need one.

You guys know this in business. I just thought about something because I've always thought about, like, why, when they were done using them, did they not just kill them? And they eventually did. Well, they did kill them. Yes, but. Well, maybe, but. No, no, no, let's look.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They kill them. But like, but I go, well, why not just kill them like immediately when they're using them? And I wonder if it gets out there that you murder all of your intermediaries, you murder all your assets. You're not going to get the people that are going to be willing to sign up for. Right. So in a weird way, you could say the government is in a little bit of a pickle. They're like, we have this guy that has leverage over us. They know we could kill them.

But if we kill them, then anybody else is probably going to take the secrets they know about us and run to a country that's going to offer them. So you do have a disproportionate amount of leverage on the most powerful countries in the world when you're in these positions. Also, you only are going to kill somebody if they're a problem for you. And I think a lot of people forget, Epstein was not a problem until 2019. Break this down because they kill him so soon after his approach. If you really think about it, after he actually became a problem is how quickly he died in prison. Within a month. Right, literally.

Like in terms of his custody. And by the way, he was cooperating with the government potentially and had a meeting with his lawyer days before his suicide about cooperation, which may have been, let's say the precipitation. Yep, there's a letter right there from the files. You wouldn't say the first conviction in 2008, he was beginning to pick up. That's not the opposite of a problem. That was a cover up. That was like, dude, that was barely local news. That was Palm Beach Post saying, hey, here's Jeffrey Epstein.

He pled guilty to solicitation of prostitution involving a minor. It's a very low-level crime. She was just 17 years old. He had no way of knowing. He gets to go, I didn't know she was 17. Yeah, I didn't know she was 17. And nobody knows that there were 40 women that were alleging it. Exactly.

They don't even tell them. The girl as young as 14 in the same indictment. The last time I was here, I talked about the secret indictment. We actually have a secret indictment. It was released as part of the EPSCID files. Everyone should read it. We're talking about 14, 15, 16-year-old girls. She's asking a girl who's 15.

Hey, sweetheart, do you have any girls who are younger than you? This is in federal documents that were alleged. That's what, remember, that indictment, which was secured against him, was ditched in favor of the plea deal where he just has to plead guilty and when he had to plead guilty to solicitation of prostitution with somebody who was underage,

they found the oldest girl. So they picked the 17-year-old. So a lot of Epstein defenders, oh, she was only seven. No, no. The indictment specifically says 14, 15, 16, and 17, yes, old girl, but they pick the oldest girl

that he pleads guilty to, which allows him to just say she's only 17. We have literally a 14-year-old named in the secret indictment. This is why I wanted it. to be released. There was an interesting narrative that came out afterwards where people go, because who was it? Podesta said, I was told that he was intelligence. Oh, no, Alex Acosta.

That's an alleged quote. Never been confirmed. Okay, alleged, alleged. Allegedly he goes, I was told that he was intelligence. And then he backtracks from that later on. And then there's another time where he goes, no, he had no, there's three different times where I think he had recussed. And he denied it. And he denied it, right? But now, now that we know everything, right? Like, can't we ask? had a little bit more credence to the alleged first quote? Which one? When he goes, I was told that he had belonged to intelligence. I mean, I don't know.

Why else would he do this? Let's say this person is singularly focused on, well, clearly not justice. Because if you're focused on justice for these girls, then you're going to throw the book at him. Correct. So he's probably focused on like furthering his career, right? And if he's focused on furthering his career, you don't want to have that on your record. Right.

So why else would he do unless he had immense leverage? Well, career is important. But this is going to kill your career if this comes out. Well, it didn't come out for decades until he was literally the Secretary of Labor and the Trump administration. I guess my point is somebody's going to have to promise him that this is not going to come out.

And it wasn't, remember, guys, none of this was supposed to happen. The only reason that this wasn't totally done and dusted is not, is... Explain by what you mean by this. Like, all the government had to do for that 2007 plea deal, all they had to do,

they could have given the sweetheart deal. All they had to do was go to the victims and say, hey, guys, we're doing this deal. That's it. And then none of this would have happened. Because they did not do it, they violated the Crime Victims Rights Act, which said that they have to be notified. And again, they don't have to agree. They just have to be notified. By not notifying them, because they're ashamed of what they did, they violated the victim's civil rights, which makes void the non-prosecution agreement. Now, Galane Maxwell is currently in court and actually went all the way to the Supreme Court saying, my entire prosecution is unjust because y'all promised me immunity back in 2007. She's like, my immunity has been violated from the non-prosecution agreement. We agreed in good faith on good terms that you would give me and all, you would give Epstein and all his co-conspirators federal immunity of prosecution. And she is saying that the non-prosecution agreement is still valid. That's the legal basis. So all of this is a paperwork error based on the Epstein victims not being notified. That's why this whole thing, we didn't get to talk about this.

She was able to be charged because that immunity was voided. Exactly. What about all the other co-conspirators? Well, they're also unvoided, right. So they can be prosecuted. So why haven't we gone after that? That's a great question. Why we only went after. And maybe there's, that's why he was 2019. Epstein is indicted. Very shortly ends up dead. He's potentially involving cooperation with the government, as we saw in the files, literally from his own legal team, which showed that they're potentially exploring cooperation. His own brother says he wasn't going to kill himself. Mark, what is it? Who's the famous doctor? Michael Bodden. Michael Bodden just came out again being like, I'm sorry, this is not consistent at all with the suicide. We won't show it here because it's really graphic, but they're in the Epstein files. There are actually photos released of the corpse.

You can see the, you can see the marks on the neck immediately after CPR was given and intubation. The marks on the neck from the consistent story, that it looks very deep. like it does not look consistent. I would say with the official story of his own hanging in the way that it was done. Again, I'm not an expert, but I trust Michael Bodden.

I think he's, you know, very intelligent, well-known forensic pathologist. He says that, what is it, the break in the high-ode bone and specifically the way that you can all see, it just is not consistent.

Oh, in the body double. Let's not forget that. Let's put that up there. All right, so in the files, they actually talked about due to the large media presence outside MCC, a male official called

and said he would be arriving at the last, loading dock with a black vehicle in order to thwart media blank used boxes and sheets to create what appeared to be a human body, which was put into a white vehicle, which the press followed, allowing a black vehicle to depart unnoticed with Epstein's body. Oh, he's a lot. Yeah. So, well, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, crystal and I were talking about this. I was like, I was like, I would have given it zero and now I'm like 1%. You know, I'm like 1%. I'm, I'm still at 1. I'm still at 1. I think she's at like 20, but yeah, I'm at 1%. Mark is about to

blow time. Mark has been researching this nonstop for the last 10 years, okay? Mark, tell me what you're feeling right now. No, I mean, I'm not an expert, but like, again, it's just all so weird. Like, there's just, like, been so much conversation in the past 10 years about like, oh, yeah, there's elite people that are connected through this mutual blackmail using underage, you know, girls to basically coerce each other and they operate the entire global stage, and you were called crazy for it forever. Forever. And then now it's everyone's just like, yeah, we always knew this. It's like, what? No. No. What do you mean? Now people

are like, we always knew this. Yeah, like, because now you just hear people talking, like, from Establisha media, being like, duh. Of course. I'll be honest. That is annoying to hear. It is annoying to hear people say this. Like, obviously, when you were called like a spook, a quack, a tipful half maniac, for even positing

some of these videos. I covered this story. I checked. My very first video on Epstein was seven, maybe eight years ago, actually. So, when I, for the entire time I've covered it, why are you talking about this? You're a kook, weirdo. Oh, Saugers on his Epstein thing. It's like, oh, it's just like his UFO obsession.

Like, that's the way that it was talked about. When we did the Netflix special, which you'll have vindicated for that one soon as well. Yeah, I will. That's my next one. There's a piece that's the second episode of the special that is like, you could watch it as if we put it out yesterday. On Epstein?

Yeah. It's an obscene, conspiracies. Was that you straight to camera one? Yeah. Oh, you put me in the credits for that way. Of course. Yeah, thank you. Amazing asset to us.

And, like, you know, it's just crazy. It's just crazy. This conversation is still going. Now, I think that, like, that was at a time that, you know, people were starting to kind of, like, open up and wisen up to it. The internet was a little bit. We also didn't have all the information. So we took some swings.

The swings, I think, through these files, have been a little validated. Well, let's talk about it. Completely validated. But that's, it is important. I do think, and so this is where some of the scold media is, like, this has gotten totally out of control. People think they're, like, cannibalizing. It's like, no, cannibal was the name of a restaurant, actually, in terms of the reference of the files.

And, like, people sometimes don't like that I bring up that many of the most salacious or unsubstantiated stuff has a, quote, innocent explanation, or at very least, a much more reasonable explanation than the worst one. But what I'm trying to say, though, is that at its height, the worst of what we believed is that there is a global cabal of rich men who believe that the rules don't apply to them, who routinely enact and engage in immoral behavior is true. It is true. Like, you don't have to take it so far. Like, the businessman, the businessman blackmail email I showed you guys, like, that's it. That's the whole thing. Emailing a Russian guy connected to intelligence. I need this bitch to go away, basically, right?

Like, that's as clear cut as it could get. It's funny because, like, if I talk to, like, kind of like lower level people in, like, finance or real estate, they're always like, can you believe that they weren't paying taxes? Yeah. That's what they're hung up on. This is unbelievable. They've been inside a trade. They've been beating the stock market while the rest of those are just sitting here. What about like the pedophile?

Oh, I could see them doing that. Right. Exactly. And anybody who's like exposed to this world even remotely sees very clearly. Like these people, they really don't believe that the rules apply to them. And the permission structure is that as long as you're useful, you can get away with anything. So this is what we were talking. I think I was texting you a little about this.

But Mark and I were discussing this is like the, the, The financial crash, like, what was it, 2008? I think in a lot of ways this was like a permission slip for these folks, right? It's like they see this massive thing that a lot of these people were part of, and they're selling these bullshit mortgage packages to people. And people making $20 grand a year buying three different homes. And the banks get bailed out, the CEOs get their bonuses. Everybody gets off scot-free.

And I wonder if there's this feeling like, oh, shit. We can really do whatever the fuck we want. And I wonder if things like really just ratchet up from there, especially from the insider trading perspective. Griffin, I don't have this email, but can you find the Epstein-Teal email where they talk about global unrest? I know you know what I'm talking about. But they're specifically an email where they talk,

I don't know if it's about Jay-Z where he's like talking about global unrest. And he's like, hey, there's all this chaos in the world. Great for business. I think he might be talking about Libya, actually. That's the one that I'd have to go and find. The one I'm talking about is not implicating Jay-Z in any type. of crime necessarily. We know.

It's saying he's talking about why America's not Brazil. He says, why is there not rioting in the streets? Why are poor people not cutting our heads off? And they, there's conversation basically goes, they have the Super Bowl. Bread and the circus. And the people that should be rioting are, are completely happy watching this and kind of sold out by Jay-Z. Right.

It's what the email says. Okay. All right. I mean, I don't hate it. But what I found in here is Epstein had a remarkable amount of self-awareness. Like when Libya was collapsing, he was like, hey, let's get in on this. He's like, Libya's collapsing. Let's make some money here.

He's like, I know a guy, a Sheikh, who knows somebody inside of Libya. There's a ton of oil. He's always on the lookout. Like these people, the way that they operate is they find opportunity where the rest of us have revulsion, right? He basically says, like, we're going to blackmail their heads of state in order to see state assets after Gaddafi's killed. Suggests that he knew Sheikh Hamdan bin Mohammed Rashid al-Makhtum, the crown prince of Dubai. The Sultan disgrace who seemingly made, but Epsine got in touch. And basically, yeah, this is about a separate email.

Sorry, I'm still looking for the Libya connection. But that one specifically is about that. Yeah, I mean, again, I'm paraphrasing the emails and I might be taking it out of context. But it's more or less saying, like, hey, we can get some money. Basically, Gaddafi has been on a campaign for 30 plus years collecting all this wealth. And now it's just kind of up for grabs. Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. So 2011, and then I'll get to the one that Griffin just pulled up.

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You and I both agreed zero interest rates were too high. As I said in your office, finding things on their way to collapse was much easier than finding the next bargain. So you look for collapse, and they're talking about Brexit. That was kind of the kickoff. Isn't this the Soros investment strategy too? Well, this is, this is, I mean, this is.

How have that been the criticism of Storos? Yeah. We're chaos. You have opportunity. The rest of us are like, how are we going to pay our bills? If you're a normal Britain, I mean, look, I thought Brexit was a good idea. But regardless of whether or not, like, normal Britain is like, we need independence from the EU.

And these people are like, where's the money to be made here? Right. It's like Libya. People are arguing about making $15 an hour as minimum wage. Right, exactly. And these people are like, what's the next government about to collapse and we're going to extract. The leap year. that I'm willing to entertain

is to say that if they're benefiting and making so much money off of chaos, do they not have a vested interest in causing chaos? Yes, they do. I see, that's the whole point. Mark, what are you experiencing it there is something? You're saying the way that they would make money, they would not do it all the time?

It's a little tougher to substantiate from the files, it seems like. But take attention, just walk me through. But it would make sense that, oh, if Gaddafi goes down, we can make a ton of money, hey, should we try to support some rebel force that's going to depose Gaddafi? Well, that's where you would say that their entire ideology which forced Gaddafi from power, which, by the way, was a chosen operation by the United States,

is supported by the Epstein class, which is the very type of people who invent this fake doctrine of art. It's called RTP responsibility to protect, where NATO was involved, remember, even though NATO is for Europe, and we decided to go in no-fly zone, and then Gaddafi literally ends up with a rod shoved up his ass on camera. Who's in power in America during that time? Right, Obama, exactly, right. No. Yeah. But the thing is, is that it's not really an Obama's story because it wasn't just Obama. It was the entire foreign policy apparatus. Like, you guys don't

know this, but, like, Libya was one of the most consensus-based decisions in the history of Washington. So there was unanimous support. There was no body who said Libya was a bad idea. There were more people who said Iraq was a bad idea than who said Libya was a bad idea. But this is why people claimed, like, the American

left is basically, like, center right of the rest of the world. You could say the Democratic Party. Yeah, the Democratic Party, sure. But, like, basically because it's just still the same, like, neoliberal, let's go around and, like, fuck up the world so that we can get money from it. Check out AOC's just remarks at Munich, by the way,

where she basically said that. AOC just gave one of the most neoconservative speeches I've ever seen. Oh, she's running. Yeah, well, actually, no, because it was a disaster. Oh, wow. Within her party, it was a disaster? Well, I just, basically, it was a disaster. Griffin, if you want to get the clip, we can watch it and react.

Which one? Taiwan? Taiwan was bad. But there was, yeah, let's start with Taiwan. Taiwan, just to show people. While you bring that up, finish your point. We all sit here and we argue all these cultural issues about trans, whatever, and it all means absolutely nothing because the actual rich people, regardless of what political side they're on, are making money from destabilizing countries around the world.

Yeah. So whether it's- Like disaster capitalism. I mean, this is what's happening with Ukraine, right? You have Black Rock, you know, who's pledging to rebuild Ukraine. Who's pledging to pay BlackRock, the U.S. government. And then it's like, it becomes a circular disaster financial thing where Zelensky, I mean, he meets with the CEOs of these companies and they say it out loud. They're like, yep, we're going to need $750 billion to rebuild Ukraine,

and then who's going to pay for that? We're going to pay for it. Europe's going to pay for it. Goes to the banks to finance the loans, which, so what you do is you destroy the country. After you destroy the country, you fuel the civil war and you make sure it's even more destroyed. Then after it's all completely destroyed, then you finance the only people is bad for the people who are there. Who finances that?

Well, the original, I mean, is that the American people? Is that who financed it? Well, it's the U.S. government. It's the CIA. It's everybody else. Stupid fucking goys who pay taxes, is that it? But like, we watch TV and these people are arguing, and it's like they're all friends with each other.

They're all supporting the same candidates that effectively do the same agenda just with a different wrapping. So they all get money. And we pretend like it's real. To me, that's the... Is this Taiwan, Griffin? This is the...

This isn't Taiwan specific. Okay, let's take a list. I want you guys to hear just to show, like, this is... I think it's in Munich. This is being about... Let me set the stage. The Munich Security Conference is the go-

too. It's like that is where the world's foreign policy is decided. So Putin gives a famous speech there. J.D. Vance gave a famous speech there. It's a long and storied history of like the nexus of NATO. It's kind of like the World Economic Forum for foreign policy. So AOC going there was a really big deal.

It was a very I'm running for president moment and this is what she came away with. Yeah, it's like 2028 auditions for the Democrats. First and foremost, I think we need to revisit our commitments to international aid. not just USAID, but the dozens of global compacts that the current Secretary of State and President Trump have withdrawn from, they are looking to withdraw the United States from the entire world so that we can turn into an age of authoritarianism, of authoritarianians, that can carve out the world where Donald Trump can command the Western Hemisphere and Latin America as his personal standards.

box where Putin can saber rattle around Europe and and try to bully around our own allies there and for essentially authoritarian to have their own geographic domains. And it actually is the trans-Pacific partnership. It is our global alliances that can be a hard stop against authoritarian consolidation of power. All right, let's cut it there. So first of all, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, that's not, that she was, she meant Transatlantic Alliance. So major fuck up there. First of all, that's just, that's a little tedious.

One ocean. Okay. Okay, so, okay, so let's go. That's good job. Yeah, yeah. She can't mix up a one whole region of the world. Yeah. The most important security conference.

Get Taiwan next. Taiwan's way worse. But, yeah. But real, okay. So look, if you're looking at this face value, right? You're an average American citizen. that maybe doesn't have as negative a look on like how the Epstein class makes money by disabling nations and extracting their wealth, right?

Or causing chaos and profiting off it. If you're just looking at this face value, is it not resonate? It all sounds good. Communism sounds good. Thank you. Before we go to this one. So I think the average person digests it and they go, wow, I think that she's kind of describing something that we're all seeing.

I think this makes sense. But when you take a look at this idea that both parties, are mutually benefiting from destructive chaos, you can look at it as maybe a dog whistle to those people in Europe, basically, hey, we're going to go back to the old system? Yeah, exactly. We're not going to stop this new stuff.

See, that's the thing, is that our left- Is that the criticism? Yeah, the critique is you have to have the ear of Washington. So when we hear like withdraw from the world, it's like, well, if we're not withdrawing from the world, we're going to stay in the world, which I'm going to make our forward-deployed empire, which, by the way, the left has always been

the people criticism. the forward deployment of the broad American empire. I just want to frame this to people watching, right? So like, yeah. So, so, like, give me the, give me the best case scenario of what she said, and then give me the, the worst case scenario. The best case scenario of what she's saying is, like, warmed over the neoliberal Obama framework, is that NATO and all that must stand together.

We should help our allies. There's, you know, all this, you know, we're all friends here. We shouldn't have, you know, bad relations is that America should remain the security. umbrella of the entire world. Ukraine is, you know, the fight of freedom and democracy. For the West, yeah. For the West, etc. The worst version is, what I'm talking about,

is that this is an inversion of a traditional leftist critique of the U.S. American Empire, which works to actually facilitate cause global chaos. Best case scenario is like, we should look out for our allies and we should all fight bad together. And I think a lot of people do hear it that way. Yeah, but you got to think, then what?

Like when you say we're not, this is what I'm trying to say. And I can't say what she actually believes because I don't know who she is. But the worst case version of this is she's saying to the Epstein class, the powers that be, hey, we're going to go back to the old system. Enough of this. We're just in the West. We're everywhere. And wherever there's chaos, we're going to extract that wealth.

So that would be the person that's maybe most concerned about American imperialism and the negative impacts of the world. And I know we're talking about American imperialism, but it's not just American, as we've seen with these connections. This interconnected web of these different intelligence agencies that is willing to take advantage of and maybe even stoke chaos around the world and profit off of it, that language resonates with them. Maybe she doesn't, maybe that's not what she wants.

Maybe she's naive to how it works. I'm trying to give her the most favorable outcome here. Also got to take into consideration what she normally preaches and goes on. Of course, of course, of course. That's why I thought it was bad. My joke was, that's your brain on the New York Times. Like that's basically what that's like somebody who reads the New York dumps.

Yeah, we shouldn't withdraw from the world. Again, the most leftist critique of the American empire has always been like, no, we should withdraw, actually. Because U.S. involving forward deployment. American imperialism is a destabilization force. And instead, she's inverting it and basically embracing a neoliberal, neoconservative almost framework. But the second thing is, it's very obvious to me. This lady has not thought about foreign policy. Where you don't mix up trans-Pacific partnership with transatlantic.

Like listen to the Taiwan answer. Listen to Taiwan and you'll see exactly what I'm. Would and should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move. You know, that this is such a, you know, I think that. Nah, cut into the audience is crazy. This is, of course, a very longstanding policy. of the United States. And I think what we are

hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point. And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation. And for that question to even... Oh, they got her.

Yeah, I mean, she eventually got it. Come on, bro. It was a disastrous answer. Like, you just say, we're going to maintain the policy of strategic ambiguity. she eventually got to. But she clearly didn't even know what she was talking about. She also, by the way, said that Venezuela was below the equator, which is not true. So, like, these are three separate things.

I'm sorry. She's still an American. Yeah. We don't know about other countries. I'm just saying. I mean, it's a public school. Again, again, again, again, it seems that she's hesitant to say, what's actually really interesting is in the other answer, she's like, we want to protect and support our allies.

And then when asked about Taiwan, she's like, well, we would hope, doesn't get to the point where we have to. We don't want to get to that and I don't know what my policy is. I mean, it's clear, like, to again, to me, this is a woman. She thinks she just wasn't ready for that question. She's not ready for the question. I mean, I think that these people, and this is the most dangerous thing. There's a darker way to interpret that, though, Sagar.

The darker way to interpret is that she does know the answer and she's saying we're not going to go in support and she. Or maybe we will. I mean, but that's the whole point about policy. The policy of the United States is strategic ambiguity. Maybe, maybe not. Now, the thing is, you're supposed to just say that, like flat and then. move on confidently.

If this is the global security conference, she should know that they're going to ask about Taiwan. She should know. I mean, I don't want to get too like nitpicky because like, look, I get it for all the people who are mad. Trump is literally the president who says concepts. Yeah.

I get it. I bet what you're all saying. We can point out a lot of those. I'm just saying, a million of them. I hear you 100%. Now, generally they like to hold themselves at a higher bar. But what I'm trying to say is that the danger in this,

and this is always my idea, is that if you don't have an ideology, which I don't think that she does. You will get colored in by Washington. That's why I talked about Obama. Obama did not think deeply about foreign policy. He had a little bit of an anti-war inkling. He comes into office.

He gets destroyed by the neo-conservatives and the general class who force his hand on Afghanistan and make him to commit to a war. Obama's wars by Bob Woodward, that should be required reading for every American to see how the internal machinery of the Pentagon can move you through the press, through leaks, they can force your hand. And you're a president who just won 55% of the vote. And it turns out you have no power here. So this is really interesting.

If you do not have, if you're not an ideologue about geopolitics, for better for worse, you are at the mercy of the system. The deep state. And the deep state or whatever it is, the powers that be, the Epstein class will move you in advantageous situations for them. Yeah, they'll force your hand. So maybe the most fair concern about this is the way that she communicated these ideas, it showed that she hadn't thought or it wasn't an ideologue about these certain things.

It seemed maybe with the first answer, she's like, I believe we should support our allies and go back to maybe more traditional approach, which one way to look at that is like, yeah, we should support the other countries that are looking out for us as well. And you might not agree. But like, I, me personally, I look at that, it's like, I want allies. Like, if we got to bang out again. I would just say, well, which ones, right? So, like, who should be an ally?

Sure, sure. I guess on the surface, I don't hate that answer that she gave at all. But the scarier version of that is, is she messaging to the real powers that be, hey, if I am in power, we can go back to the old way, which made you guys a lot of fucking money. Yes, and not only a lot of money, that's like, that is, that's the crown jewel of Washington. It's the American Empire, the Imperium. It all stems from native. I think average Americans are just so distant from this on purpose.

No, I get it. But, you know, the other warning I guess. give. Sorry, I wake off Epstein track. But like, guys, the one thing you're actually voting for is foreign policy. Ninety-nine percent of what you want from Congress is not going to fucking happen. Like, even in the best of times. Oh, we know. Oh, yeah. Okay. But like, as you have found out, as many new entrants to politics I found out, right? Like, but what you will get is foreign policy, the person with the monarchial powers to start wars, to end wars, to do whatever they want, as we're all witnessing right now with the situation with Iran. So that person you vote,

for, like, if you make a mistake, it's bad. And, like, what I'm pointing out in her ways, if you're a leftist, and specifically, like, you have your critique of the American Empire and, like, the way that the U.S. and all that should operate. And I have deep respect, like, for that worldview. You will see here what you're watching in front of you is not a representation of that whatsoever. It is much more representation of a traditional Hillary Clinton-esque-style Democrat who's maybe tweaking her language a little bit by saying the words work in class. a few other times in the sentence. That's the danger.

Voters are fucked either way because Trump ran on, hey, I'm ending all wars. And now we're about to start. So it's like, welcome to Washington. You can't even vote you. I think that that feeling is emblematic

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people and never want to hang out with him? Can you believe that? Let's get the Midas Touch clip, the one where he says he never saw him again after 2005. and my wife saw him and we felt a dark feeling and we're like, I will never hang out that guy unless it's on an island with my family. All right. So we are in number 11 and he lives in number 9.

Right. So I mean, I just hold on. Pause. Are they just fucking with us? At this point, are they just fucking with us? I was in number 9. He's in 11.

He's in 11. Luckily, Lennick happens to not going to work that day. At this point, he's the guy who was supposed to be. If we want to go further, he's from Canter Fitzgerald, which is where the plane directly hit in the World Trade Center. Yeah. So they were trying to get him out of here. You can take your own conclusions.

Then Lottom is like, if we get one office. Okay. All right, go on, go on. Pageings and mice. Right. Okay, it was Dero. Wow. So we rebuild our house.

We'll move in 2005. Okay, Jeffrey Epstein is arrested like, oh, eight, I think. Right, right. So knock on the door, his assistant, or like a Saturday, he says, Mr. Epstein, your neighbor would like to invite you over for coffee. So my wife and I go next door. You know, we walk the seven steps. Yes. Right, to the next house for coffee.

Sure walk. I'm just saying. It's New York City. So he invites us in. We have coffee in this. And he says, do you want a tour? He said, great. Interesting.

He's got a really big house. Every room you went into? He's got, he's got, well, I'll tell you. So his house is like super big, really wide. And so he gives me a tour in the living room, big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room. Yeah.

And he opens the door. And there's a massage table in the middle of the room. And candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful, cutting. questions. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house. How often you have a massage? And he says, every day. And then he like gets like weirdly close to me. And he says, and the right kind of massage. Now my wife is staying in here. So she looks at me and I look at her and I look at her. And we say, I'm sorry, we have to go.

And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. All right, let's cut it there, Griff. And then let's put up the next clip where he was in front of the United States Congress after emails showed that he had sent multiple emails to Jeffrey Epstein, including potentially planning a trip to the island. And what do we have here? He did go to the island.

Yeah, quote. And actually, this is a five-minute clip. We don't have time to find it. I'll give you the direct quote. Did you, in fact, make the visit to Jeffrey Epstein's private island? Lutnik, I quote, I did have lunch with him as I was on the boat going across on a family vacation. We had lunch on the island. That is true.

That is after the alleged incident and the dramatic telling that you all just saw. which is planned by email, which was released in the Epstein files. Now, he said he would never be in a room with him again. Oh, right. Yeah, you're right. You got me. Yeah, he was on a yacht. He happened to be near the island. It's disgusting. It's an explicit lie. And then it's not just about the lie. It's about the confidence in which he's willing to tell that story. And what does that confidence tell you? The confidence that his lie will

never be found out, right? That was the purpose of that lie. is that he knew that he was lying in the very moment that he said that. Not only did it get found out, but now he also knows that he will face no consequences. And I think that is the worst part. And remember what I was talking about with foreign governments and accountability? Our government is the least accountable. And our government has the most of these people. The Federal Reserve chair was listed in the Epstein email as a potential guest,

the new chairman who Trump is going to appoint federal reserve. RFK Jr. There's an email in here where they're talking about going fossil hunting with RFK Jr. I mean, Junior's, I mean, I even asked him about it. He admits going to him. No, he got out early. Yeah, yeah. He was like, oh, yeah, I stopped hanging out with them.

But I was on the plane. And what did he say to us, Griffin? He's like, I knew a lot of people. I knew O.J. Simpson or something. You went on, like, a list. Yeah, I knew. It is also funny that he's like, we went fossil hunting. It was like, it was old stuff we were looking at.

The oldest it could be. Right. But, I mean, what is the consequence for someone like Lutnik? The consequence should be, that the public should demand resignation. But if we're making anyone that's associated with Epstein, I mean, Trump is his boy. Well, okay.

Back in the death. Fair point. Ludnick is Trump's handler, right? Like, that's... I mean, I don't know if that's accurate. As I understand it, Lutnik is like this deep... Cushner's the handler. You think his kid is?

Yes. No, he's son-in-law. He's son-in-law. He's still his kids. Yeah, but nah. I don't think I, as I understand it, I don't think... Yeah, be careful. No, no, no, but like, I mean, that's, it seems, look, if Lutnik had that type of connectivity

with Epstein, like where he's willing to lie about the relationship, even though he knows he's gone to the island, the emails show that he's planned to be there, he's Trump's right-hand man, he's behind him in every single conversation that he's happened. Point man on tariffs, by the way, point man on tariffs and about the destabilization. By the way, if people still look into his son, if Griffin was here, I'd have him look it up. His sons are doing some sketchy stuff whenever it comes to. the tariffs as well. But the point remains around all of this is that

accountability... Hold on. I don't want to leave this. Do you think that Lutnik is his handler? No, I don't think... I don't think handler understands the way that the current Trump administration works. Like the idea that he doesn't have agency. And I think Trump has a lot of agency. Like, he's the person who's deciding

what he wants to do. He may be manipulated, you know, in certain directions. And I definitely think that's true. But that's not unique to Lutnik. That's a variety of different policy So with Trump then specifically, right? Because Trump has mentioned, what, a million times in the email. According to Jamie Raskin. Right. Is there any, is it, because the timeline that we were presented was that they were, they kind of knew each other. Right. Now we know they really knew each other. They were good friends. They were good friends. But now they kind of knew each other. And then something happened and then they severed the friendship.

That's according to Trump. That's according to Trump. But have the files proved that that wasn't the case. Well, what the files have proved, not just the files, what we have seen is that Trump's intimate relationship with Epstein is much deeper than he led on, which is that he was just a Mar-a-Lago member, that they casually knew each other. And by the way, Trump has hung himself in his own public comments. He talks about how he was being creepy with girls that were at the spa. The story came out that Mar-a-Lago was sending private massage girls to Jeffrey's house. I mean, Virginia Gouffray. I was going to say, Virginia Goufrey, one of the, she's a more controversial Epstein accuser, I will. definitely give you that, but it is undeniable that she was traffic or she was, you know, abused

and or associated with Epstein around the time that she left Mar-a-Lago. And Epstein, or Trump was even asked, did you sever your relationship because Virginia Goufrey was stolen by Epstein from Mar-a-Lago? And he basically said, yes, in the Oval Office, he was asked about it on camera. But the deeper point around their relationship is not just their social relationship, but, you know, frankly, we see multiple instances of an entanglement in their social life when it comes to women. So, for example, you see this ex-girlfriend that Epstein apparently had that eventually started to date Donald Trump. If Griffin was here to have him pull it up, but there's a dated check in the birthday book where it's like a depreciated asset being sold. He's a deep state.

He's literally compromised. No, but there's the depreciated. The depreciated asset check where, you know, there's a girl. like Trump's ex-girlfriend being sold from Epstein to Trump. Like, this is a bad look. There's also in the Epstein files, I'll have Griffin pull this up whenever he comes back, is Trump's one of the accusers was actually interviewed by the FBI. Can we get that?

It's in politicians. Trump accuser interviewed by the FBI. Just came out from Roger Salenberger, which, by the way, let me just finish the thought. The fact that the FBI did interview a victim who was accusing Trump goes beyond an anonymous claim. against Donald Trump by a tip line, right? So this was actually one of being interviewed. Again, look, being interviewed is not necessarily a crime,

but what we're talking about is a deep social relationship with Trump has never really wanted to acknowledge in his public life, but in the prior life, he would acknowledge it all the time. The 2002 interview that he did on the record about Epstein, he literally said, Jeffrey, he likes him young. Like, he said that straight up in 2002. And he was like, no question.

Jeffrey enjoys his social life. So why run on this? One second. The birthday card was that before or after 2008? No, it was 2006. 2006 is the year that. So why run on this? What do you mean?

Why would Trump run on this? Well, that's a great question. And then why would he specifically choose people that build their entire identity around exposing it? You know what I've noticed about this? And I actually went and checked the record. Mark? No, no. I'll add on to it.

Trump never ran on it. He was always uncomfortable when asked about it. I went back and trekked the record. He was never into it. So Q and not around him. Wait, well, what do you mean the people around him? It was Cash Patel. It was Pam Bondi.

But he's choosing them. Yeah, but he chose him, but he didn't choose them for Epstein. Like, he kind of flew above the, and whenever he asked about it, remember famously with Galane, I wish her well, right? Like the famous comment that he gave. Oh, Jeff, I barely knew him. Actually, it was a democratic scandal. But when he was on the campaign trail, he never mentioned it. It was other people, like influencers, media ecosystems that were obsessed with the case.

which it was used by the Trump campaign to become into a crime. Mark proved that Saunders compromise. No, no, he does have one mention where I don't remember exactly where it is, but he comes out kind of unannounced and says, by the way, that Epstein Island thing, Clinton's going to have a hard time with that. Do you say, where did you say? Do you remember this? Yes, this is during the campaign?

This is like, yeah, 2016, 2015. I can't remember exactly. But he basically just comes out. It seems like it's sort of unprompted, but he just kind of like goes at, he just kind of goes at Clinton basically trying to use it against him. I don't remember the exact... Do you remember this, right? Yes, I do remember him referencing it. Now, is this... Something with the

island and Clinton's going to have a hard time. Is he already elected this point? Is he campaign against Hillary and he's using this as a way to malign Hillary through Bill? Yeah, I think it was that. That's so surprising because Clinton's his boy now, you know? Yeah, I know. They're a good friend. He's always good to him, you know?

So, early 2016, Bill Clinton had a lot of problems coming up with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein. That's what he... So Trump references the island. I don't know. 2016. It's like a throwaway comment. Yeah.

It is just plain. Do you research, though. Okay, so this is where I'm going to give some pushback on you, because it seems as if Trump and the administration are very technical in terms of, not, I don't know, technical might be the wrong word, but like purposeful in the people that they put into power, right? Like, they don't like, well, maybe you. I wish that were true. All right, fair enough.

But like, they want to, they want to execute certain things, and they put people. in power that will execute those things. Yes, that's right. Right? So they did choose Bondi. They did choose cash. They did choose what's his face? Bonino. Bonino. Right? Like, so they were aware of these people's

identities. They were aware of what they were campaigning with themselves. Why would they put them in those positions of power? Because you neutralize something different. Well, yeah, see, that actually did happen too, though. But then you've got to neutralize them. It seems like an extra effort. It's like, for example, this new person they're putting up for the

bed chair, right? They don't like what Jerome Powell is doing. So they're putting someone else that's going to do things that the administration wants. That's what I imagine. Will that guy do the exact same thing that the administration wants? I don't know. But that's their hope. You're telling me we're supposed to believe that they would put these three figures in power. And then

once they're in power and go, hey, can you go take back everything you just said because that's not what we want? Why not put people in power that said that said the stuff that Trump and them want us to believe? It just seems like a... Because Vonjino's a massive oppositional voice. If you've recruit him into the fold and basically

Oh, this is the RFK thing. It's like RFK has a lot of support, people like him, we're going to bring him into a fold, maybe we can scrape some dem votes. Well, there's a famous LBJ quote. He's like, they're like, why'd you bring in one of your enemies into the tent? He's like better inside pissing out than outside pissing in. Right? So like that... But he doesn't have to worry about

Cash Patel. We don't think, listen, there are a variety of theories. I've always believed that he basically thought it was a stupid issue that got people riled up and he didn't realize people like us were serious about it whenever we were talking about it and then wanting and demanding accountability. I also, look, there's an alternative explanation for cash and Bondi, which is, while they may be

very, you know, like, they may have been very into the Epstein question. They're also loyal. They're loyal to do what you're told dogs. They're willing to debase themselves in public. Yeah, they're willing to sacrifice themselves. I mean, look at Tulsi Gapard. He still runs an FBI, chill out, bro. Right, yeah, yeah, my bad, my bad.

We've got Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. and Pam Bondi and Cash, like these people have defensedrated themselves, like completely on the public stage for everything that they allegedly believed in. Like, dude, I've interviewed Tulsi many. I thought she was a legit person. I really did.

And when I saw her back up the Iran thing, I was like, I cannot believe this, that this woman who I spent so many times interviewing, really respected, dude, it's about power at the end of the day. New York Times article just dropped. The reason that she's behind all this Fulton County, FBI election raid. They're like, she wanted to get back

in Trump's good graces. It literally is about access to the king. And it checks out that Trump wasn't taking this seriously because they really thought the whole, given away the binders thing was going to be fun. They thought it was bullet ears. See, they

they usually have a good idea. But they were, but they've been right about everything else. Everything other thing. If you look at issue areas where MAGA purports to care and Trump says it no longer like Iran, if you were to pull MAGA two years ago, should we strike Iran under the current circumstances where the administration looks like they might.

They would have been like, absolutely not. Biden should be impeached. He's trying to start a war without congressional authorization. Now Trump says it. Oh, God, it's 90% support, right? So it's literally going to flip. It's called thermostatic public opinion. Things rise and shift with depending on who's in power.

I mean, same thing on the app. But the thing is the X team was the one thing that they didn't realize. No, a lot of us actually cared. And that's why. Pause, pause for one second. Is that because? they didn't realize how much normal people care about

women? Yeah, you might be right, dude. Like, I don't know. Are they so caught up in the Epstein class themselves that they're just going, oh, they care about little girls getting trafficked? Like, is it so normal to these people that they think that we would just get over it? Is it so commonplace in their life?

Not in their defense, but let's think about it. They've gotten over so, the MAGA people have gotten over so much. Like, flip-flops, Ukraine, Iran, like, things, life and death. You can't get over. So many vital issues. I mean, God, I could think forever. Like so many campaign promises, which were alleged and then didn't happen, right?

IVF, right? Like, that was supposed to be a big one. The vaccine, that was a big one for some people. Building the wall, which never happened in the first. Like, dude, I could literally give you a spreadsheet list for a whole other show of just shit that was supposed to happen, which didn't happen. But the Epstein one seems to be the one that people, for some reason, decided to just not let it up. And I do want to give credit to a lot of people out there. A lot of people out there who are sticking to their guns on this story.

And I can tell you this is the most shit that I get in Washington. How do you feel about the current administration? Hold on one second. What do you mean this is the most shit you get? Oh, yeah. Why do you? You're so obsessed with Epstein. Nobody cares, man.

Like, you're in the mythology and they're always like you're a cons you know, it's literally sound like the liberals from the line from when I used to talk about this before. Conspiracy theorists. There's nothing there. Dude, they're sending me this all this apology about, you know, man, these girls. Like, they were lying to Epstein about their age. I was like, have you ever read the law, by the way? The law says that that's not a defense.

Florida statute, which Epstein was convicted under, he literally says not knowing the age is not a legal defense. This is one of the grossest narratives that I'm sure has come down from some right-wing think tank where it's like, you know, the girls were procuring other underage. They were in on it. Yeah. So now we're going to villainize teenagers. Right, exactly.

There's no such thing as consent for an underage girl. That's weird. And yeah, if you manipulate a young, how is it that we can understand? understand this for everything else. If you manipulate somebody to do something against their will or put them in a bad situation where they're, look, he specifically went after the girls who were troubled or had bad family situations who needed a couple hundred dollars here or there. I mean, the same thing. They're like, oh, well, he was just flying in European hookers. That is illegal. Like, I literally feel like I'm going crazy. You cannot fly Russian hookers to the United States to

fuck them. That is a violation of the Man Act. That explicit interstate prostitutes. I feel like I am losing it whenever it comes to this. And they're like, you're feeding all of these conspiracy theories of, and have I brought up, have I brought up anything that hasn't been literally verified? I try to couch everything I say. We'll get to the Pizza Gate stop. I'll even show that to you and I'll couch it and exactly what it is. I want to talk about that too. I want to talk about like some of the most salacious and absurd things in it.

But like, why do you think that they are so committed? Why do you think DC is so committed to liking this a lot? They see everything through partisan lens. for them now it's a problem for Trump ergo you're creating problems for this administration I go I don't give a fuck like I... Isn't there a part of them that looks at this and they're like there are underage girls being trafficked

and there's no accountability? Is there no part of them where you look them in their eyes and you're like yo you have kids yeah I know you have nieces like yeah but then they convinced themselves that they did nothing wrong that nothing if anything did happen it's all overblown it's a satanic panic that's the new one is that this is equivalent to the sictanic panic of the 1980s

yeah I have Satanic panic I mean, I'm sure that there are Satanists that are ruling the world that are eating children. That is a real concern. And the thing is, is that for them, they, it's so hard to describe the social scene of Washington. Washington exists so on a world of its own where more, like, questions of morals and all of that are always, they're always pushed aside for power. These are people who give up their families. They give up any earning opportunity. This is their life.

This is life and death. like the success, their ability to have access to the Trump administration, whatever administration happens to be in power. And this is an entire political class. Power crops, absolutely. Power corrupts, absolutely. Exactly. Like that, that's what it is. Distort people's brain. Dude, I see, like I said, I'm in a weird position, because now I know some of these people. Like, I knew, like, Tulsi. You know what I'm saying? Like, with Tolsey, like, we sat across the desk. Yeah. I thought it was real. Like, I really thought, and listen, I've read a lot of books about politicians who lie to your face, but it's another. the thing. Wow. Like to experience it

and to experience it at a visceral level. RFK Jr., I mean, how many times I interview RFK? Four? How many I think three? Three, four. Right. I spent hours with this guy. What do you think RFK's implications are? Well, it's not about implications. I'm like, in the way that he's operating within HHS and like they throw out this like bullshit for the masses on Twitter, but like if you're hardcore Maha, like you should be furious

about the way that this administration has acted from the USDA. Well, no, Sagar. They're only worried about what goes in their bodies. if it's not grown-ups. Yeah, no idea. This is what I'm trying to understand. Bondi just said they're not releasing any files, any more files. Right.

That's it. No more files. So the Kalshi market should be zero for more files getting released this month. But somebody is still trading. That's just how crazy gamblers are.

Is there like... That's a good point. Nah. That should be easy money right there. Or... Insider. Pam's got an account. Pam's got an account on cowsheed.

Barron's doing tricks with the computer. Barron's cooking up something. You ever when Trump said that? He's like, Baron with this computer, he's just amazing with this computer. The things he can do. Yeah. It's like, yeah, he's stealing. Make $100 million on a fucking coin.

Yeah. What he can do with this? It's crazy. So they got it at 12, what is that? 11.4% chance that we get more. Yeah. It's really just a bet on like, is Pam Bonnie telling the truth now.

Well, she's an honest woman. She would always tell the truth, right? When did she ever lie? And I think we will get more, especially Saga reported today, that only 2% of the files actually came out. So they say it's half. It's 2% now. Yeah. So if the public finds that out, I'm going to take that prediction.

Yeah. We're getting more. It might be a little bit. I mean, knowing T-Dog, he might release one file. Just to get tearing out of quick time of nine. You guys, a new file is dropped. Yo, that is hilarious. One singular email.

I mean, yeah. Why isn't that what everybody's doing? The second somebody puts an insane amount of money on like we're invading Iran, you just go, oh yeah, that's what's going to happen. Right? Like, if you're putting $10 on it, no. But if some guy dumps $2 million, they might be driving the ship. Like they got their finger on the button.

I had thought I was like, should someone, by someone, I mean me, email Epstein with my dates. Did I tell you this? Yes. With my tour dates. Yes. And just be like, hey, fuck you, Epstein. all I'm on the road, come see me here,

then it's releasing the files, and then everyone sees my tour. Well, you would get your ideal audience for sure. That is... Conspiracy theories. People's verging through, truth seekers. Exactly. People trying to get to the bottom of this great conspiracy.

Your mom finding you in the files would be so funny because that means she was searching. Exactly. Anyway, let's get soccer back in here. Yes, dude. Before we get rich. I'm not trying to be too rich and be invited to, you know, know, be part of these cabals.

Are we off? Are we off? Cabalz? The debut talk, cabal. The debut talk. That's what they were. In a way. That's gross.

Why'd you make it gross? Why'd you make it so gross, dude? Why does your brain always go there? Mark, why does your brain always get enough? Don't flip in. Oh, Mark. You're always thinking of the evil things. And you're from down south?

No. You're from New York. Do you live right near Epstein? James your neighbor, basically. I have a cabal here. I join a cabal as a kid. You have to slice some kid in the face. Isn't that what they're called?

We call them gangs, but y'all call them cabals. What is it, the buck 15? Buck 50. No, 15 is the best, the cabal. Come on, I just discounted? Yeah. Get the negotiating with the guy cutting your face. What about $1.15?

Yeah. Make jokes about negotiating, a little boy. Fuck you. Don't call me that word. You wouldn't even understand. You're a good little goy too. Stop and don't say that. You are a good little goy.

No, stop. Al, you're a goy. I like being a goy. Yeah, you're not. You're not. You don't get to be a guy. No, listen, can we get back? We have to respect Sagar's time.

Yes, we're missing two Indians right now. We go. Ah, gosh, get back from Australia already. How do you feel about the current administration? How do you think I feel? feel about the courage. I mean, by the way, what's companies are coming across yet?

Tell us how you feel. Yeah. How do you feel like you are a conservative? Because we've gotten no shit for criticism. You're in a very viral quote. I think what I'm the most disgusted by was the rhetorical use of a lot of principles, which I really cared about. So like, let's say, for example, anti-war and Iran, right?

And it's especially galling to have sat across the table from some of the people. who are now currently in power, who are pushing or excusing this type of behavior, and not only that, who are either silent or actively working behind the scenes, not stopping the obvious, like, look, I could call it a takeover, but that's why I have to come back to. Trump has agency. Trump has agency. He's the one who's decided to embrace this neoconservative agenda to do all of this insane nonsense of Venezuela. And hold him a call for it. And the thing is, and he's the guy in charge. Exactly. He needs to be held. But it's also about the people around him because I now know for a fact, they're not,

if you take your role seriously, then you actively work for that type of principle that you ran on and that you have literally sat across the table from me. And I'm not talking about one person. I'm talking about a lot of different people here who worked, who were like, they were like, we believe this, like the United States. We should not go to war with Iran. And so then to watch. How comforting was that to hear for the first time in your life?

It's not about comfort. This was a project. I believed in this project. I worked, we don't, you know, in many cases to try and assist this project. Like, and not the Trump campaign, but like, I'm talking about the principles. The ideology behind. The ideology, right? Like, I have taken so much shit.

Stopping endless wars. I excise myself from professional Washington to go against, like, for the neo-conservative agenda. Man, I got, you know, basically professionally canceled over Israel. It's fine. You know, I have my show. I get to hang out with you guys and stuff. Like, I don't care about that, but like, there was a cost, man. Like, there was a cost.

And so then, you know, to then have those people like come into power, and now we're on the brink of bombing Iran for literally no reason. After, by the way, you know, not to derail this too much, didn't we bomb Iran so that we would never have to deal with the nuclear issue? So if we bombed it already to never have to deal with the nuclear issue, why are we currently on the brink of a potential war over the nuclear issue? Because I was told that the nuclear issue was solved during the 12-day war.

Oh, that's interesting. Can you tell us how it would be advantageous to the United States of America? Then we get back to Epstein, but to engage in a war with Iran. Why would that be politically economically-eat-eatish-eastered-eism? It's not politically popular. Economically is another story. It's economically maybe, you know, potentially useful for the United States to control the Straits of Hormuz. Although I would argue that even...

Why would we end up controlling it? Well, oh, well, of course, because this is about regime change. Like, ultimately, and really, you're saying the United States, there's really not that much in it for us. The United States... That's why I don't get it. Yeah, well, there's a little country called Israel, for which this is actually a vital national security interests. So they should handle it. Let me explain this, too.

They can't handle shit. The one war they got into, they were getting their ass handed to them with the United States basically shooting down half the missiles that were coming now. And downtown Tel Aviv still look. Portions of downtown Tel Aviv literally looked like London during the Blitz. It was crazy. So the question I keep going back to is like, if you can explain to the American people why it's advantageous to us to do certain things,

there's a version where they start to go, okay, now I don't love the intervention and stuff. I don't like the endless foreign rules. I hate it. I thought that that was a seductive talking point, which now they've obviously flip-flopped on, like they've flip-flop on everything they said, and it's fucking horrible. But, like, for example, with the Venezuela thing,

which I don't love, but the American mind can go, wait a minute, we have oil, oil gets cheaper. Listen, the American mind is dip. What you're doing is you're operating in, like, Washington brain. I'm talking about the American mind and imagine, like, the propaganda system. Okay, oil is this much. Wait, now we have access to more oil.

That's leverage and power in the world. things potentially get cheaper here. This is how people can consume things, right? Do we agree yes or not? Totally, yeah. I don't see any strategic benefit for the United States of America in engaging in a prolonged war with Iraq. If someone can explain it to me, that'd be lovely.

It's crazy that they're not even trying to explain it. Like, that should be the most audacious part of this. They're not even bothering to give us a whole propaganda campaign, at least with the bullshit Iraq war. They had the fucking... We can't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud. That was the line. Yeah, or the war and terror, whatever these things are.

At least they gave us something like, you know what? We're going to at least trick the American people into thinking that they're the good thing. Yeah, Saddam has something to do with 9-11. They gave it this. They're not even doing it. They're saying they have ballistic missiles now. Right. Okay, can I explain that too?

Let me explain that too. Just so you guys know, the ballistic missile thing, let's just think about it. Who are the ballistic missiles of threat to? All right? Ballistic missiles are a threat to the United States only when they are intercontinental ballistic missiles. Does Iran have intercontinental ballistic missiles? No. Okay. They do have regional ballistic missiles, which are capable of hitting what? Israel. That's right. So that becomes the talking point about for a new deal with Iran. The only thing America has interest in with Iran is the flow of

oil through the Straits of Hormuz and the nuclear threat. That's it. And the Iranians are like, all right, you guys want to talk nuclear? Let's go. But then at the last minute, after Beavienet and Yahoo comes in, we're like, oh, but by the way, we also talk about ballistic missiles. And they're like, No, we're not going to talk about ballistic missiles. And then all the front groups in Washington are like, they don't want to negotiate in good faith. They refuse to negotiate. Guys, let's just, and I'm not pro-Iran.

I'm not pro-Islamic Republic. Let's think first. Yeah, fuck the regime. Okay, yeah, right. They just murdered 40,000 people in protest. Well, I don't know about the number, but the whole point is just like, they murdered a lot of people. Right, yeah, okay.

And now, you know, with the help of Mossad and the United States, also, yes, like, let's be honest about some of that. Story just broke. The United States smuggled hundreds of Starlink terminals into Iran. to help the protests, literally, I mean, maybe thousands of Starlink terminals. The Mossad was literally bragging in Israeli press about how they were arming the Iranian protesters, right? So it's a little complicated, isn't it? But just to even come back from that, the point around the whole Iran question is that this is an Israeli problem.

So this is an Israeli problem. But they can't handle it as they proved in the 12-day war. Only the United States can handle it. Even in the 12-day war, it takes the full force of the U.S. empire to make sure they don't get blown to shit, right? And this is the biggest problem. That, that even 12-day war, it took 25% of U.S. interceptors just for that 12 days. That was just to defend Israel. Now imagine if we have to start defending ourselves. That's 25% of our entire stockpile. Our entire stockpile. Our whole global stockpile. That interceptors, 25%. And if we get into a real conflict, we're fucked. That was me we need to at least make sure if we're going to go all out, it needs to be for something truly vital for us. And this is not it. And the reason why

they don't want you to pay attention, if you start learning this ballistic missile stuff, you're going to go crazy. But that's why they don't want the American people engaged. Yeah, yeah. And I don't think that there should be anything wrong with having this perspective. I think as an American, you're allowed to look out for the interest of your country and see why that that would be. I mean, they're going to call me an anti-Semitic just for that. I mean, literally, I will never forget the first time I was ever professionally called anti-Semitic was the, remember when the U.S., Israel bombed in Iranian embassy in Syria, which is crazy, right? They said it was an IRDC base.

Okay, whatever. Every embassy in the world is spy craft base, just so we're all clear. But so they bombed it. And then Iran fired missiles at them, right? And then America shot all of them down. And I said something like, modest proposal. The U.S. military should just shoot down stuff whenever it's attacking America. And everyone was like, look at this, like, disgusting display of,

anti-Semitism because we shot down the missiles that were going to Israel. Yeah, I mean, which they started it. No? Did they not? Well, they bombed an embassy. Well, to that I would say, to that I would say, it's like, are you giving us forewarning that you're going to do that? Have we agreed with that action? Right. If you expect us to defend you, well, I think if you, if the expectation is us to defend you, then we have to be, we have to be aware and we have to sign off on whatever military action is going to require defense. Yes. And if you're operating with an impunity there, but just expect. I think that I think that that might be taking advantage of the relationship.

Which is the way that they operate from the Doha strike. I mean, that was so insane. The guitar strike that happened, which this is a U.S. basically protectorate where you're just blowing people up with, I mean, who knows whether it was prior sanctioned or not. But there's other countries in the region that also would want regime change with Iran. Definitely. UAE, Saudi. I mean, even that kind of depends.

Because they want regime change, but they don't want destabilization. Whereas Israel does want destabilization. They want the Syria model. They want it to basically be a collapse. state where a rump state where you can constantly have civil war. But that's just going to make it more dangerous to everybody around. No, not really, because you're removing the bigger threat, which is the nuclear issue. They don't care about if it has destabilization and migrants and all of this other civil war, like that, if anything, that benefits them because it takes out

a regional competitor. That's what happened to Syria. Yeah. But there's so many American allies that want this to happen. Well, I don't, I don't, see, that's the thing. If you look at the reporting, at least what's happening behind the scenes, from what we've seen now so far, the Saudis in the U. Like, these people may hate the Iranians, they may be against Iran. They're not pushing whatever the current Israeli position is, which is decapitation strike. Right. Yeah, I mean, we should do it the old-fashioned way. Send Kermit Roosevelt in and throw some newspapers around. Well, he did a great job, right? Yeah, he was very successful at his job. Okay, back to up stamp. Yeah. Unless there was something else.

Oh, no, sorry, you were talking about how you felt about the current administration. I think it's really cool that you're willing to talk out and you're willing to criticize. Oh, well, thank you. I mean, that's always kind of been my thing. Yes. You know, I mean, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, It shows that you have standards and you're not just captured by the party. Or even captured by the audience of the party. Right. I think that that's a very important thing. Well, that's a cancer.

As you guys know, people will stick with you if you actually at least try to stick to what you really believe in. And if you look at a lot of my comments, like, it hasn't changed. You know, it's one of those things where I'm like, who changed in this relationship here? Well, I think that there's all the times where it's like there's different moments in history where you'll have more social utility based on your skill set and then less. Yes, that's right. So, like, you know, if you're the guy that is saying the war on terror is stupid while the war on terror is happening and a lot of people hate it, all of a sudden you're probably going to be crushing it. And people are going to organize the world for them. Yeah.

So I think that's a very, but I think it's noble that if people are not or an administration is not living up to your standards or the promises that they made you that you were actually really excited about, right, that you call them out. And I see a lot of people that are doing this mental gymnastics to, like, kind of justify what's happening. And there's this version where you just want to shake them. be like you don't have to do it. Your people that listen will actually respect you more if you don't do it because they're going to see you as an honorable person and willing to go, hey, I'm going to call out the people in power, even if those are the people in power that I thought we're going to do something beneficial. Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right. And also that's the only way you have. Look, I've also

learned this. I've actually, I've only been really doing this professionally for like 10, 15 years. Presidents come and go, you know, but we're actually, we're always going to be here. A lot of these people, I have seen most politicians. be flashes in the pan, who in, you know, two years will be, you know, stratospheric on the rise. And then a couple years later, who? Beto O'Rourke, a good example. What's he doing right now? You know, these guys come and go. And at the end of the day, like, all you have is yourself, your integrity. And if you want to keep doing this in this business,

I've also seen a lot of commentators ride all those waves where they're, you know, the highest of highs. And then what, a year later, the lowest of lows. Or they're just chasing trends. Or they're chasing trends. Exactly. Yeah. I think that you're going to see, I think one thing that I've kind of knows from the administration is that like people assume that they just do what they want the classic authoritarian approach

but when you see that they flip so quickly based on public sentiment right like you saw it happen with ICE in Minneapolis you saw it happen even with ICE when I think the farmers were complaining they're like yeah we don't have anybody to work the farms and they're like oh are ice not going to target the farms right like there's this immediate backtrack of what they're doing you've seen it with certain tariff stuff

You saw it with Greenland. It's like, so the idea, it's, I don't know, there's something kind of beautiful in it, which is like protest does work. Guys, Epstein, the whole reason we're talking about this. Well, this whole episode is a result of our public pressure. The last time it was on here, they said that it was done and dusted. And now we have three million files. Like, we don't have all the files.

Yeah. It's only 2% of the files. We have some of the files. That's pretty cool. It is cool. That's only because, and I want a massive shout-out, Rocana Thomas Massey. These guys laid it out on the line. I don't think people understand.

they were dead. This bill was going nowhere. Yeah. They were, it looked like a vanity project. And then they just kept grinding and getting signatures. And then they beat the president of the United States. They forced his ass to sign it in the middle of the night, something he didn't want to do. He said he wouldn't sign it. He had to sign it. It's the biggest L he's taking his entire presidency. Well, that's democracy. And it's a beautiful thing to watch. Yeah, it's cool. And so to that point, when you see how, willing the administration is to flip when public sentiment terms, especially

their base. But when things look ugly on TV, I think there is like I was talking to Pod Save guys and they had a good point. It's like, you know, he's an entertainment guy. He's watching like the news. And when the images look ugly on the news, he knows. He knows and he starts to change us to. So what's interesting

about the Epstein so specifically is the pushback is monumental. But the flip-flop hasn't fully happened yet. They gave you like, they gave you like a semi-flip. I hear some files, and now they're trying to shut it down again. Yeah. I don't think they can run away from this thing.

I hope that you're right. We have to just keep to it. So their hope with Epstein Files transparency was, first of all, remember, they violated the law. The day that they were supposed to release the files, they didn't release the files. They barely released anything. It took weeks. It was incompetently done.

They redacted names that they were supposed to redact. They unredacted names that they were supposed to redact. That was a complete mess. Even by the way, right now, to this. day, they keep removing and then re-adding files to the Epstein database. Like, there were, if you search Trump's name, there were some there, they were originally, they were

taken off. In the time that I've been doing this, the reason everything in my spreadsheet is captured on Twitter or in an article is because I can't link to the original, because in some cases, they've been taken down as you all saw for the redaction process. But the point for pressure is to understand what

we're dealing with. We were dealing with a, as we've, you know, to say for the umpteenth time, a vast network of unaccountable financial, political, and media elites who were engaging in immoral behavior. And in many cases, those people either knew about were complicit in, potentially involved in many of these crimes, and that these crimes run the gamut. Yes, from the more salacious stuff all the way to mind-numbingly boring financial or tax crimes, but they all bear investigation, right? That is the point where we shouldn't let up. And we should

also, I think everyone should really be informed about this because everyone tangentially is like, oh, Epstein, he was a creep. And like, I think they kind of know, but like always my, you know, hope in doing episodes like this or my show is to like fill in all of the lines for the stuff of your suspicions and also to like bring you back because part of the problem with, you know, is total explosion on the internet is people will fall for the most low IQ stuff. And then sometimes I'm like, no, let's come in back. Sometimes you're right though, by the way. Sometimes those people are actually correct. And we can validate some of their, you know, crazy conspiracies. But that's why I think it's really important. And why also it's so disappointing. A lot of serious journalists have

dropped the bag on this story. You know, for the intel connection, all of the stuff I laid out here. I was on here six months ago. I laid out the whole case. It was all there. It's only now. And now they're like, oh, he's Russian. He's a Russian asset. I'm like, come on. You know, you know, my colleagues, Ryan and us, like, we're doing all these stories about Les Wexner and Ryan Con. It's all out there for the taking. Why do you think they're not doing it? They're afraid. They're afraid of lawsuits or they're afraid that it would implicate some of their... What?

It would implicate their people. It'll stop their access. I mean, doing these stories does not come possible. What does implicate their people, me? Okay, let's say if you're at the New York Times and you have a Jerusalem bureau and then you start reporting all this stuff about Israel and Epstein. And then all of a sudden, your Jerusalem bureau guy gets his visa revoked. Like, now what do you do? What's important to you?

Right? I mean, that's a basic example. And that shit happens all the time. Bloomberg News had people... They had their people pulled out of China because they wrote some story about the Chinese, you know, the Chinese premiere or something like that. This happens constantly. And this is exactly why interconnected corporate media is very dangerous because they always prioritize stories. Remember, I think I told you guys about this, the ABC News reporter who was leaked on camera, who was like, oh, I had the whole Prince Andrew Epstein story.

But we should, I forget her name. Am Roboc, maybe, Amy Roboc. I think that might be it. But she was like, we had the whole Prince Andrews story, but we shut it down because. they threatened our access to the royal wedding for ABC News, right? Like, but that's reality. Like, that's what this stuff looks like. These newspapers are like billboards to sell ads to 60-year-olds.

Right. And not just that. They're not going to compromise these sources to show this. This is, I mean, dude, the royal wedding, there's like a multi-billion dollar product, right, for all of these people. So they're just as interconnected and interdependent. Of course. And also, I mean, think about it. Media conglomerates are just as directly.

implicated. Okay, actually, I don't even have it in here, but do you want to find... God, I do not want to do a thing where, like... Do you want to find that Ellison, the Ellison wire transfers? There were wire transfers from Epstein to David Ellison. There's something, look, look at it. It was definitely in the files. But this is the thing where we like Pat News, new media on our backs or whatever like that,

but because like, but the fact that we don't have the luxury to be as interconnected. Yeah, no, you're right. That's the only reason we can do. Yeah. We don't have the luxury to be as interconnected with all these people. people because we are new. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like 30 years

from now, who the fuck knows? Like Saagas kids could own a fucking massive media platform. A Russian billionaires come in and be like, hey, here's a bunch of money. Can you not talk about us? And then podcasters will stop talking. Well, didn't they do that to a bunch of podcasters? Right.

So, but, but so examples. So right now, I guess some of us are uniquely positioned to be able to talk about this stuff and ask these questions simply because we're not part of the internet connected web and want to be able to get pictures of the royal wedding. Like, how fucked up is that?

What is this one? Epstein writes to his lawyer, have one of your cronies asked to see the mortgage to Marlago cash from electricians union. Oh yeah, this is about, this was to a reporter, I think, and it was about Trump. And it was specifically about asking to see the mortgage to Marlago, cash from electricians union. His driver, Matt was the bagman,

$30 million loan from the casino to Donald Trump backdated. So this was alleged about, I think it was about some Epstein Compromot apparently on Donald Trump. But the important stuff to remember, like within all these emails, is not only just our current president and many of the people who work for him, it's the billionaire global elite. So, like, we haven't even talked about the Bill Gates' STD thing, which is crazy. It's beyond crazy. And one of the reasons why, you know, a lot of people have said that it's a lie.

Melinda is hot. Can we put the Bill Gates antibiotics thing up here on the screen? Right. So this was, so I want you guys to notice, this is in a sent email. Now, do you remember what I showed you earlier from my own reporting? Because one of the things that Bill said was this is fake. This is all a complete fan of Bill Gates. He sent it to himself for some reason.

He sent him to himself. I don't know you guys earlier that Epstein routinely sent himself emails? He would only know that if you've read thousands of his emails, which I have. He routinely would memorialize and send things to himself for explicit purposes like this, for his lawyers, potentially for blackmail purposes. And this is the email where he says. says that Bill Gates got STDs from these Russian hookers and then asked Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics so that he could secretly give it to Melinda without her noticing. Now, to be clear,

Bill Gates denies it. And Melinda Gates, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if you guys saw her reaction. She doesn't deny it. She says it's sad. She was like, it's sad. Something like that, which actually the last time I was here, we were talking about that. And I explicitly was like, I think she knows more than she left off. We said this, right? And she got out early. She was insider trading. She shorted the gate to stop. I think she found something out. And by the way, it's not just his cheating

because he's cheated for years that's literally on the record. And they have like an agreement? Who knows? Like he gets to go to... At that level, I have, you know, who even knows at that level how a real relationship could ever function?

But clearly the Epstein thing was something. Like it was enough for her to be like, whoa, I'm out. I talked about the Leon Black situation, right? Where he had to pay in a settlement Reid Hoffman. That's another one. Let's play on the island. Griffin, I have that email. I saw somebody bring that up about with Richard Branson, bring the harem. There's no way. There's no way Richard Branson is involved in this. I'm just saying.

No, but I saw somebody call out the New York Times for that, that they like didn't include Reed Hoffman in the list of people that were interconnected. Oh, I think the all-in guys. Yeah, they may be right, actually. That's a good point. Are you about Calcanis? No, Jason, Jason, why would you do this? Why would you say, you cannot, you cannot say I didn't talk to him when you know that you talk to him. You have to do the RFK thing and be like, we're digging for dinosaur bones. You have to like lean the fuck into it. Because then when it comes out, people go, okay, you are lying.

Right. You have lied. And once we see you as a liar. I barely knew the guy. And then here, I spoke with Jason Galganis. It's literally an email from Jeffrey Epstein. There's also Steve Tish. I'm sure you guys have seen the Giants owner.

That one's bad, by the way. I mean, that's bad. I mean, he couldn't even say that he didn't find girls. Right. He's like, he had to be like, they were legal. Yeah, he said, the specific email, he says, pro or civilian or working girl, you're like, dude, there's no innocent explanation for this. Like, it's straight up. There is literally no explanation for this whatsoever.

Like, he was procuring girls on your behalf. Yeah. The thing I can't wrap my head around is like it seems like America, we're just more concerned with just outing the people who are in the files instead of like prosecuting it. Right. That gets my earlier point, remember, about foreign governments. So I showed you guys and I have some of that in the accountability section, Griffin. We already showed the French one. We showed Peter Mandelson. But like Norway. Norway. Norway. Let's put those up there so that they can see them. Norway is these are important. Former prime minister. I think what they did is they made. made him step, no, no, I think they're actually in former PM or something like that. Yeah, so Norway's former prime minister is charged with gross corruption over Epstein-Links.

And then in Slovakia, they actually, the prime minister's national security advisor, had to resign over Epstein-Lexe-Leges. What do you think the public can do to force their hand? Because I feel like the public is what forced their hand to release the files. Right. Like, can we just change direction and be like, hey, we want to see some prosecutions? Right. I think I think that the best way to do that is to channel your energy.

the current process, which is Rocana and Thomas Massey. Like, they're not dropping the ball. And also, keep involved at the Democratic level because this means if your represent... Let me explain this. Representatives care about nothing. These are not principled people. What do you mean representative?

Like your House of Representatives. Your congressman's greatest dream is to go viral. That's all they care about. I wish I was joking. So what the best thing you can do is to reward them is to say you will go viral. As long

as you pressure the administration about Epstein. They need to turn every appearance of every one of these officials. Every time they're in front of Capitol Hill, there's going to be an Epstein question. You can never let them escape. Right? And like that's the only way that this will become a thing is if they know that there's enough public and political pressure, as we all saw through the democratic process, that's, and the way, let's use the power of virality for good. Yes. You're addicted to attention. Make sure this is the attention. These people are a narcissist. All they want is attention. So let's give them attention, but only

for the right reasons. Be very careful with your narcic... With your rewarding of narcissism. I've seen certain people on the right being critical of people on the left, like maybe now calling these things out. And they're like, oh, you're just calling out because, you know, it can hurt Trump. And it's like, good. Whatever your reason for calling

it out is, it's okay, because it's the right thing to call out. Who gives the fuck what your reason is? I mean, I imagine. That's, by the way, a successful political movement. When I was a crank talking about this on YouTube, now it's a national story. It was like me and like maybe like 15, 20 other guys. We put it on Netflix.

We weren't credit. Okay, great. Like, that's my point. We had to use a lot of allegedlys. Guys, we were cranks, no? Like, we were literally looked at as cranks. That was a national movement. I will say credit to Netflix.

Like, we were naming all these big names and we didn't get pushback. That's awesome. We only got pushback about one person. Ellen degeneracy and the vagina smell. That was the only time that Netflix was like That's the only note you got a special

coming out with her Do you have to make a finding Nemo joke And we were like yes And they were like Okay That's true But like to be honest This is

And again I can't believe I'm defending kind of the big institution Right here But but I mean that Like you kind of need the institutions To go hey we're going to put this kind of stuff out And this is important And then after years

with people like you speaking out, a bunch of other people speaking out, maybe us putting a little something out, a little pressure that starts to melt. And it looks like we're starting to see something. I think to what you're talking about, like, why do we want to see all these people punished? I think it's because the feeling is that nobody gets punished.

Yeah. Right? So we're like, we need to see somebody go down. I feel like we just want to see them like named, but like no one's calling for a punishment. Oh, I want more than that. See, that's the worst part is, let's go to the accountability section, Griffin.

All of the people who are being, held accountable for this right now are just private citizens, which by the way, like, is fine, but that's a sickness in our system. So for example, Kathy Rumler, we talked about this. Oh, you got to bring that up. She's, let's put this up there. She just was, yeah, she would just step down as Goldman's top lawyer. This is a perfect example of like having a crisis PR team handle something well because they said she stepped down because of connections to have seen in the emails. And they didn't go into the actual interaction that they had. So this is Goldman's top lawyer. I think she was also working

in the... Obama. What did she do for Obama? She was the Deputy White House Council. She was the Deputy White House Council for Obama and she's Goldman's top lawyer. Can you bring up the email correspondence that Mark sent us earlier? Oh, yes. I'll send this to you. Griffin, just

one moment. Again, there are people that are mentioned in the Epstein files that are mentioned tangentially. You know what I mean? She's in there so many times. Right. But like this is a very specific interaction. to you, Griffin. And I think it's worth looking at.

Because, yeah, go. Yeah, this is, let's say, let's see, you need to talk to the boss. This is from Jeffrey Epstein, from Kathy. She says, doesn't look like you're prioritizing your schedule effectively. How are you going to manage all this week? This is UNGA week. That's UN General Assembly Week for the initiated. So the boss will be in town.

I'll be here all week. You may get sick of me, just sat down on the train, so can talk freely. Epstein says, girls, question mark, careful. I will renew an old habit. Then he says, this week, Teal, Summers, Bill Burns, Gordon Brown, Jagland, Magnolia President, Hardy Pura, Boris, Gates, Jabor, Qatar, Sultan, Dubai, Kosselin, Harvard, Leon Black, Woody. You are welcome a welcome guest at any time. I've reported, we've reported that email before, but that's like a who's who where he goes, girls, careful, I will renew old habit.

Anyway, here's all these famous, rich and powerful people that I'm meeting with while they're in town for the UN General Assembly. That email, I think, just kind of encapsulates everything. People are like, oh, how did he get away with this? Like, how did people let it happen? And it's like, he's putting it out in the open. He's making a tongue-in-cheek reference to his prior conviction trying to procure a minor. Girls, I'm going to go back into an old habit. And then at the same time, just goes, look at all these amazing, famous, wealthy people that I can put you in contact with.

Yeah, exactly. So in all of the Epstein files, what is the craziest email that you feel like everybody missed? The most interesting email is this connection of the House of Rost. to Jeffrey Epstein. And what we find in the article, as you guys can see, Ariande Rothschild sending thousands of emails there to Jeffrey Epstein. She is at the head of this bank in Switzerland, Edmond de Rothschild. Atman de Rothschild at the time was facing a lawsuit or a problem with the Department of Justice. In America. In America. The Department of Justice was alleging that Edmond de Rothschild, the bank in Switzerland, was helping wealthy Americans

dodge taxes. So what they decide is that they'll pay a fine. Now, to negotiate that settlement, they hire two individuals, Kathy Rumler and Jeffrey Epstein. And Griffin, can you go to Most Interesting Email, just so we can see the exact text? It's my own tweet of a screenshot of their email. He says, I think he will find 45.5 penalty.

That's $45.5 million. Legal, Kathy plus Pillsbury, around 10. 10 million for legal fees to Kathy. me 25, all less than 80, pretty good. So they paid 45 and a half million to the Department of Justice. Epstein was paid 25 million to broker that deal. Kathy and her team paid some $10 million. Now, by the way, the reason why this puts it all together for me is you have the

Rothschilds, you know, this famous storied family in the history of Europe, and you have them negotiating with our Justice Department, the American Justice Department, the American Justice department. Who do you hire? If normal people in Washington, again, I'm from Washington. I know how this works. There are 10 law firms which you hire. You don't hire Jeffrey Epstein unless you're hiring him for a reason. And when you hire him for that reason, it was to negotiate with the DOJ. Now, who's he negotiating with on behalf?

What influence does he have? You have the former White House Deputy Chief of Staff to President Obama working for you. And what you do is you get that settlement knocked down. How did that happen? That's the story for me. The House of Rothschild, Jeffrey Epstein, Swiss banks, you know, this is where, by the way, what did I talk about earlier, Epstein's influence and money laundering? Now, does Swiss banks maybe have anything to do with that?

No. Right? Oh, you would never, right? They would never engage in the movement and the housing of dirty money. Like, this is my point. The honest? Well, they are honest. They're honest in their silence.

Right? They'll take money from anybody. But that was. They'll take credit, too. Yeah. Right? What do we know the Swiss for? That is my thing.

What do we know the Swiss for? What? Credit? Chocolate. Oh, yeah, chocolate. There's not a single fucking cocoa tree in Switzerland. Is that true? Of course not. I didn't know that.

Yeah. I'm trying to think about it. I only went there once. It's a great country. You'll never see one because it doesn't grow there. No, I'm saying it's growing in stuff. But how do they get the expertise of chocolate? I wonder what countries in Africa they might have colonized to get all those cocoa.

Is this a colonization? I thought, okay. have to look into this, actually. Because I thought it was a South America thing. Anyway. Both. They got it there, too. Coming back to the Rothschild thing, you have the storied bank, you have the head of that institution, or one of the primary parts of that institution, hiring Epstein, his associate,

and actually, if you continue reading the way that it all went down, is at various times, he's using his network as the Rothschild Bank is going through all of these changes. So at one point, he's like, why don't you meet with my friends at Apollo? Leon Black, right? Why don't you meet with Kathy Rumler and hire her? So he's using his social network of all of these other people involved in the files to actually set up meetings with the new House of Rothschild and the bank in order to broker some potential deals, some tax advice, flipping things around, some investment vehicles, various things. A. U. Barak at one point is potentially involved. My point is just that he uses his whole social intelligence, money laundering,

and all of that network brings it together for political influence to negotiate this one deal for the Swiss bank. So even though that bank story is kind of like, is kind of peripheral, if you think about it, like it's not the biggest story in the world, that's his whole influence. That's everything. It's the Swiss banks. It's like the U.S. government. It's not for the Swiss banks. Right. It's for the powerful Americans. They're hiding their money in their money around. That's why I think gets lost in all this. Like we hear the Rothschilds, you know, oh, he's just helping out the Rothschild bank. No, no, no. He's helping out the Epstein class here. Yes. Because they're going to have to pay even big.

penalties for dodging taxes and hiding their money in that Swiss Bank. Exactly. So the Swiss Bank is leveraging maybe their relationship to do it, but this is him just helping out his boys. And once you get helped by him, now you're implicated forever. So now you're also silence, right? You're doing the deal with the devil, right? Oh, this guy's going to save you 100 million or whatever, Leon Black?

150 million. So 150, but now you can, now you're tied in. So for $150 million, you're tied to the pedophile forever. Yep. Now the question is how much... Well, and they were tied for years before that. That's the craziest part. There are other things, but there are people which they do something one time, and then they'll continue to do it.

And maybe they're aware of his actions in the past of what he's convicted or may they weren't. But once they become aware, they know that they can't remove themselves from it. It's over. You're very right. And that's how you end up in such a... I barely knew the guy, right? Which is what Rothschild said. Oh, I knew him a little.

I regret any of my past association. Like, when you look at all those emails, you can see, like, the names of all the people who were emailing back and forth with him. Like, it's unbelievable the extent of all of these, like, well-fellful. the not only business titans, academia. That's, man, that's another thing where it gets dark, like with the academia stuff. His obsession with eugenics. Yeah, explain this. Let's get into the salacious stuff.

Like, let's do it, dude. Tim Dillon had an amazing take. He was talking about the pizza and jerky. Oh, pizza jerky. And he's like, yeah, of course. I mean, it makes total sense that the most wealthy people on the planet to have access to the best restaurants and the best private chefs would be obsessed with jerky and pizza.

Sure. Of course, there's nothing. else here? I mean, there's an email with Epstein. So I actually do think that email, I'm pretty sure that's about the restaurant cannibal, which it was just a restaurant. Like, people are misinterpreting that. Well, there is one with Epstein and a guy who's like a massive

urologist. I forget his exact name. And he emails him saying, hey, let's meet up. I would love to go grab pizza and grape soda. I have that if we want it. I have the, that's in Pizza Gate. I don't know a ton of billionaires. But how many of them are going out for pizza and grape soda? It does sound a little odd.

Like, again, I don't know what it is. It could be drugs. Grape soda. It's not bad. I wanted to let you know. I appreciate the pizza. This is better. That is the closest thing there was to a black person.

Singular mention of grape soda. Yeah, I wanted to let you know in the crew. We really appreciate the pizza today. Thank you for letting us do that next. You mean radiating with a soft glow look of bliss. Yeah, that's the pizza. Dot, dot, dot. Let's go.

Come on. What else do we have? That's better than a Chinese cookies. This is better than a Chinese cookie. See attached. Let's go for pizza and grape soda again. No one else can understand. Dot go-no.

Whatever that means. And yeah, so there you go. There's multiple pizza references in there. Again, look, some of it add an instant explanation. People pointed to the jerky thing. That was about a restaurant, I believe, called Cannibal. So I want to be responsible in the stuff that I'm saying this one, I haven't seen the innocent explanation.

People have pointed out the muffins thing. There's a lot of references to muffins. And shrimp as well. Have you seen that one? Yeah, there's another one. But there's also references to an accident. Muffin recipe. Right.

That just seems like it's muffins. It could be muffins. Can we put Snow White, the next one, up here? This is where I'm going to show you guys this stuff, which is legit and has no current innocent explanation. Or I challenge you to find one for this one. Quote, the Snow White was effed twice as soon as she put her costume, smile, smile, smile, smile.

Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah. I don't know how it was you explained. Yeah, right. And we don't know what's from. It was the characters. Yeah. No, we have no idea. I will say that Jess Staley, who was the former CEO of Barclays Bank, he actually, who what, Walt Disney?

Is it a book? Grim Brothers. Yeah, is it a Brothers Grim? Is it a Brothers Grim? And where are the Brothers Grim from? Brothers Grim? I'm going to go German. Let's see.

I mean, if that's what they're calling like... German academics, wow. If that's what they're calling like these white European prostitutes. Snow White. But anyway, oh, I was... forgot on the Snow White thing. The Snow White, there was a reference, there was a reference to Snow White by where he said Snow White, something like, can you find it, Griffin, Jess Staley, that he was the former CEO of Barclays Bank. He actually resigned because of Epstein. And previously he worked in J.P.

Morgan and he was at the Nexus with Epstein. They exchanged like hundreds of emails. But he previously had made a statement about meeting Snow White or he's like, Snow White says high. So maybe Snow White was one of these, you know, yeah, there you go, right there. Maybe, what did he say, send an email, answered Beauty and the Beast. Say hi to Snow White. Oh, yeah, say hi to Snow White. What character would you like next? Epstein responded. Staley replied, Beauty and the Beast. You know, actually, now that I look at the date in July 2010, can you go back to mine? That might be the same timeline, isn't it? July. Oh, yeah, there you go. July 20, so maybe we just solved something right here.

Anyway, we're not alleging anything, Mr. Staley and his lawyers, until his name is redacted. But you could put those two things together for yourself. So he had a favorite, and then he would dress her up as children from... Can we put hairy coconuts up there? This is another one. Here we go. I mean, this is reassuring for all the people that text and use, like, emojis, like snow and leaves and stuff like that. Yeah, they'll never figure out.

Get away with it, guys. I ordered sweet young coconuts from Thailand for you. they just arrived. Very yummy. I was going to ship them to you in Paris, but I hear you are coming back, so I will send them to 71st with Sarah. Just so you don't have to drink juices from old hairy things.

Oh, God. No, I think that's about coconut. I don't know. I'm just, there's one, you know, haven't seen an explanation. Listen, I've never seen anybody refer to coconuts that way or who would ship coconuts across the globe,

Harris, Thailand. That person, not... I've been to Thailand, there's plenty of coconuts. You would ship any coconuts, you know what I mean? They're available on the street. There's literally guys who will crack them open for you and do the whole thing with the machete. You can just stick your strong on it.

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shrimp anyways and good with massages. Code word shrimp. Again, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, they're bad. Let's go. What are people alleging the shrimp mean? I have no idea. My point is just that it sounds strange. What do you think? I mean, the implication is quite obviously

like some type of sex traffic. Whether it's a, you know, adult prostitute or a young child that's being trafficked. And that's basically how people are implying this. There's also reference to black shrimp, I believe, where they're like, oh, I don't like black shrimp. And so it's like, what even is black? Like, it's not even a thing. Right.

And so, and then there's also references to like being in an aquarium full of women, like, in the same kind of correspondence. It's like coded fish language to basically describe sex trafficking. Yeah, as long as you don't have any hammerhead ones, you throw away the head. Yeah, it's, it's, look, and as I said, all of these, I've, checked. These are actually in the files. And anybody who doesn't believe me, you can go and check every email for yourself at any time. It's on the DOJ website. You just have to search the text of what we're talking about the sulfuric acid. Oh, I think that one's been debunked. Let's see.

I think I have it in unsubstantiated. I got it. Yeah, 55 galalt sulfuric acid. So there was concern. People were like, oh my God, were they dissolving bodies? He ordered 55 gallon containers of sulfuric acid. If you actually read the purchase order, I think it gives it away. It says 55-gallon drum, sulfuric acid, materials for conductivity pros, replacement pH and cable dash RO plant.

Apparently on the Virgin Islands, there's a lot of reverse osmosis water treatment plants. So that was the potential explanation for that one. I will say it was on the same day that the FBI opened up the sex case against him. So I'm noting the context there, but I was contacted by an expert who said that the RO plant is most likely

an explanation for reverse osmosis. and that that's what that would be used for. There was another concern. Can we put the trapdoor photo up? Or what else could we order that would make sense? Listen, you're on an island. Nothing's confirmed. Also, destroy evidence.

Here's another one. This trap door that everybody saw, this one I still have never. So like there's this, there's this trap door that leads from the floor directly into the ocean. Again, someone on the island contacted me and told me that it's common to have, something called water cisterns that you need access to in some of these island homes and that that could potentially be the I'm just I want to offer the act without you know not with context just so people aren't immediately drawing this one wasn't as compelling because they're like it's a trapdoor that reads to the ocean right it opens out so it's inherently not a right it's likely they said

something to do with water and cistern management but I'm just I'm putting these there because you may have seen these on social media but as I showed you already with the hairy coconuts with the snow white thing with the pizza the grape soda those are ones where we have not yet seen any innocent explanation can we put uh you will be 22 not 14 that was another important have have the people in these email correspondence has been investigated uh well it depends in some cases yes in some cases no uh many cases we don't even know who they are as you saw on the snow white email it's all redacted right but then you said that even in some of these case like look here and these like these are all redacted in terms of who the sender and all of that is this might

be because it's a victim, but like in terms of his own behavior, you can actually see here directly. He tells a 14-year-old, he says, quote, you are going to be 22, not 14 years old in this email exchange. And he even is instructing her. So I'm going to read some of this. Now that I understand, try to take some nude photos, be open, brave, sexy, wild, dance, jump, have fun. Live, I think you should take some of yourself first. I wanted you to be free with yourself, blah, blah, blah. Then he follows up. I watch, she says, I watch porn, of course, okay, I will be at home. I will try to take some of myself.

He says, try today to be free, you look great, think sex, intimate videos, have fun, learn English, and then he continues about the, you are going to be 22, not 14. That's in the email exchange, so there you go. It's definitely a bit strange whenever you're reading

the entire, like, exchange. I really, you know, I really have no idea. Mark, what else is going on in there? Well, I'm curious, what is the T-O-E-FL test. Oh, Tofol. That's an English. It's English. So this is a girl, a child that he's trying to traffic from a different country? Well, I mean, you could read it a couple ways. He says, you were going to be 22, not 14. Like, for example, you want to be free. Like, maybe he's saying you are 22. I don't know.

Like, there's a couple different ways that you could read this email. She could be a 22-year-old saying, don't act like you're 14 years old whenever it comes. Right? So, like, I'm just giving you a, but you can also, guys, you're getting a little bit of a sense for, like, how disgusting this guy is, like, openly talk. him and like it's like this goading like gross behavior that like girls will talk about when they're on dating app so he's like out there like do you watch porn you know why why do you send me some selfie so many those and that's just it's just thousands if you control f into the files on the actual website it's like oh i want i want to see you naked see any pictures hundreds of those the strangest one that i haven't seen anyone talk about is the book recommendations which one there's a few obviously

he recommends people read lolita yeah and regularly actually in his hack to email, we found that even right before he died, he was buying new copies of Lolita. So he owned a first edition and he had an annotated copy. So he was obsessed with this book. He's obsessed. And I've heard people suggest that it was potentially like a pass. Yeah, like having a physical copy of the book was somehow some type of access point or some type of signal. Because people are referencing and emailing him saying, which copy do you want me to use? Do you have a copy I can borrow? Things like that where it's like, if you recommend a book to me, I would just be like, hey, I got the book and I read it, or hey, thanks for the book.

But he's saying, when I arrive, do you have a copy of the book? So it's like they need to access it for some reason. The other one that's very strange is that there's direct recommendations from Epstein to, I'm assuming victims, saying, read the story of O. I think you'll like it. Now, the story of O is, and if you Google, you actually probably get like a more exact definition. I obviously have not read it. But the story of O is a book written in the early 1900s that is a one. woman's like story about a girl that gets basically like bound and tortured by a man.

And it's like an extremely graphic book that was like, French erotic novel in 1954. And exactly. It's some BDSM fantasy. Ritualized dominance of submission, psychological surrender, power, ownership, and identity, erotic humiliation and devotion. O gradually relinquishes autonomy, undergoes physical and emotional transformation in pursuit of the experience as love and full full.

film it. Yeah. And he's recommending this book to multiple different people saying like, hey, you'll enjoy this, read this, like basically embody this book. I think you'll find it valuable. Yeah, right. Which again, I think just showcases like how sort of demonic his proclivity is for this like power dynamic when it comes to sex. What is the other book about? Huh? The other book you guys do? Yeah. Oh, Lolita? It's a very famous book. Old guy. Yeah. It's a guy marries a woman and he ends up sleeping with her stepdaughter, right? Is that Lolita? I haven't actually read the book.

But he starts sleeping with a stepdaughter, and the whole book is like a justification about how she kind of seduced him, and he's obsessed with her. And she's a young girl. She's like 12 years old, like this entire time. And so, like, so, no, it's a book about pedophilia, basically.

It's like a book. The people, it's a very famous book, and people say that the book shows how much of a monster he is, because he's all, he's like blaming her, but obviously like the people who read it who are into this, look at it as like an inspirational story. Right, yeah.

So it's like, he didn't really read it the right way. I'm not weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. He's like, oh, there are more people like me. Like, I think the book is about how he's a monster. The book is like, the book is to show like how disgusting he is. Yeah. But he obviously didn't get that, you know, in his reason.

Yeah, it's like mind comp. It's like different people read it for different reasons. They were going to have some scarface all the time. We were like, dude, Scarface is sick, dude. I want to be Scarface. You're like, no, I don't see the end of the movie? Yeah, that's not the point of the movie. Soger, should we do the plant one that we learned today?

Oh, yeah, let's do the plant one. That's a fun one. Paralytic drug. This is from TMZ. I actually looked into this one, specifically for this pot as I was on the way here. So TMZ reported on this email. I checked the email. It is legit.

They say, Epstein may have had collection of highly poisonous plants known to produce a drug that blocks free will in its victims. And so the drug that is referenced is about this zombie plant drug, and specifically a type of drug which produces its angels trumpets, which are toxic, and they produce a drug called scopolamine. And so I looked into it. There are two emails in the Epsine files that reference scopalamine. And one of them, here, let me find it. I have the exact screenshot. It says forwarded email to Epsine. Scopalamine, powerful drug growing in the forest of Columbia, that will eliminates free will from the daily mail that was forwarded to it.

Real quick. Is Snow White Sleeping Beauty? No. No. Those are different characters? Different ones. No, it is. Yeah, they are different. They're definitely different. Yeah, Snow White's posted up with the door. Snow White is the seven doors. And then the Sleeping Beauty is its own store. That's a real. Prince Charming. Right. That don't know. Let's do the Ohio gynecologist. This was from local news in Ohio. Epstein made regular payments to Ohio State head of gynecology.

And who also lives in Ohio, by the way? Leslie Wexner. Who? Leslie Wexner. Oh, Wexner, his main finance here. Exactly. Interesting. Langdon received as much as $25,000 every few months.

Langdon told NBC the payments were for consulting work, and he had no knowledge of Epstein's crimes. Along with the quarterly payments, Landon was received 10-packed. packages from Epstein Associates. In all, he spent more than $200 mailing things to his home. The files do not detailed what was named. A man named Eric messes Epstein saying, Dr. Langdon's 25 quarterly payment is due. Please approve. A few hours later, he wrote that Epstein's company had billed Leslie and Abigail Wexner in advance, as we have for prior years for the payment. There you go. I have no idea what that holds about. For Gates's STD. There's multiple of these types of things where he's off paying.

We didn't even talk about the U.S. Virgin Islands. We should do that for a second. Let's do Epstein pays tuition of U.S. Virgin Island governor's kids. So, you know, where Little St. James is? He was literally paying the tuition of the U.S. Virgin Islands governor, their children at the school. And he wasn't even the only person that he was paying for. And remember, their congressman, Stacey Plaskett, was live texting Jeffrey Epstein in the middle of a congressional hearing. And she has never apologized for it.

And in fact, the emails show that she went to the island. You can go to the link right before that. Democratic representative Stacey Plaskett went to Epstein Island in 2014. Previously worked for the Epstein Fixer in the Virgin Islands who accompanied her to the island. Plaskett is the only sitting member of Congress, it seems, to have visited the island right now. She's still sitting? Yeah, she refuses to apologize. What did she say?

Or Crockett say? Well, Jasmine Crockett defended her. Yeah, Jasmine Crockett was like, she was emailing her. a constituent or something like that whatever it comes to her. It's great. You can literally watch it on video. You can watch the side by side. Of course it has. It's absurd. You see her literally, who she

She's questioning She's going after someone else. She's questioning someone live in a congressional hearing. I think it was, what's his name? I'd see his face. And Epstein is coaching her through. Literally saying hey, ask about this. Ask about this. And she goes, she literally asks about it. She doesn't know if it's a name or an acronym.

So she's literally just like impractical jokers. It was Michael Cohen. It was Michael Cohen. Wow. Trump's lawyer. Yeah. She's talking to Trump's lawyer and Epstein is giving her things to talk about. And she's just saying it live in the hearing basically being like, oh, what do you know about

this? Doesn't know if it's a person or an acronym. Right. And it's just straight up like impractual jokers getting told shit while she's saying it. These things are absolving Trump or incriminating Trump? It's putting Komi or it's putting Cohen under pressure. Oh, so it's meant to. It's actually bad for Trump because Cohen was there testifying.

And that to remember he turned on Trump. That's what I'm trying to understand. Is Epstein trying to incriminate Trump or is Epstein trying to? Well, he's actually from the emails. It does seem like Epstein hated Trump near the end. He was kind of a Russiagate like Libthard near the end of his life. Like he was ordering all these books. He was encouraging people to ask questions about Trump.

It's putting pressure on Cohen and making Cohen go, oh, how do you know about that? Like that's basically the energy that it's giving off. He's a great person to be hated by. Oh, Epstein? You hope that he hates you. Right? Like, why does he hate Trump? I don't know.

It seemed it could have been the business. Look, there's a variety of explanations. The fallout allegedly over Mar-a-Lago. There's a theory that they got into some spat over a real estate deal, right? And then maybe because of the Bill Clinton, like you just said, I hadn't even realized that he had brought it up one time in 2016 about Bill Clinton. His relationship to Epstein. Epstein didn't like that. Where are his enemies?

Where are Epstein's enemies? This is what I find so peculiar. Where are the people that hurt? I mean, even Putin has Navalny. Right. Do you know what I mean? Where are his longstanding enemies, the people were like, fuck this guy, he's a piece of shit.

Maybe they, for whatever horrendous, fucked up reason, they look past the human trafficking because maybe they do those things as well. But maybe they hate him because of other things, other business dealings that have gone wrong. Maybe they have ideological differences about the world, and they don't like him as a power player, which is obviously like the Navalny Putin thing.

where is the opposition to him? I mean, they can't speak up. Well, maybe they're afraid. Yeah, maybe they're afraid because he's too powerful. You're more afraid of Epstein than Putin? Well, I don't know if that's necessarily true, but it's like, well, first of all, Epsi, not nearly as, or maybe he was.

It depends on how he defound power. But the question around like XC... You understand what I'm positive, right? It's like, why was nobody out? But the one thing I think that erases a little bit is the victims who fought him in court for 10 years, right? Like, it took them 10 years. But the victims are not billionaires in their own right.

That's true. That's true. That's the thing. I heard this from Ezra Klein's pot that he, the guest brought up a point that Epstein groomed everyone, that he groomed the girls that he was procuring to come to the island. He was grooming these people, but he was also grooming these billionaires, that he himself was handholding all of them.

And someone at his level, at Epstein's level, the amount of money and influence that he had, he has people flying to the island and he's personally texting them and emailing them, when do you land, what do you need? How can I help you? I'll pick you up. He is personally being the liaison to give them concierge service everywhere, they go when he's in control. And I think that he's actively grooming them to the extent that he makes all the rich,

wealthy people really happy and he's able to exploit and basically sell out in traffic the most vulnerable people that he knows can't go against them. Right. So he keeps all of his enemies right here. Yeah. And you have, I mean, what's astounding is the sheer number. Like Elon. By the way, we haven't talked about Elon.

That was insane. Banging to go. On Christmas morning. With his life. 6 AM with his wife. And Epstein tries to go like, yeah, I don't know if she'll like what happens here. The ratio is kind of off and he's like,

she'll be fine. Like she'll get over it. You're like, dude. So that's a great example. You can see Epstein doesn't really like Elon, but it's still being very diplomatic and being very nice with him. And saying like, hey, the partage are actually canceled. It's not you.

Like he's an absolute operator at all levels when he's dealing with the highest draft. Or the tour of SpaceX, which, you know, Eustin always, or Elon always said he didn't give him one. and then Epstein goes, thanks for the tour. Sarcassically. Yeah, I mean, maybe, but it's one of those. Do you subscribe to this allegation that Elon makes

that Bill Gates shorted Tesla at the behest of Epstein? I don't know. I've never followed it. I mean, I feel like zero people are trustworthy in that entire story. So it's one of those where I have no clue. And at this point, I'm not exactly the business of believing Elon, considering how this whole Epstein situation went down. You have to be a question with everybody.

So I think you were about to bring up one more thing, but then I do have an overall question. I think we've hit most of the billion hours that are on my list. I mean, I want you to go on this point. I just want to say that there's so many people, I mean, I've just heard justifications where they go, oh, I didn't know. And then people say, oh, maybe they didn't know. You don't Google every person you get connected to. And I've heard people say. I disagree with that.

But as do I. And I've heard people say, like, oh, they just look past it because the charge is kind of bullshit. and he says that he wasn't really even in prison that long, and they're able to look past it because it does something better for them. But there are people that got connected to Epstein that turned him down. And there's a bunch of them that just said, like, Joe Rogan. I want nothing to do with this.

Norm Finkelstein. Yeah. There was a bunch of people were like, no, man. They were just like, yeah, I googled him, and this guy is bad. I don't want anything to do with this. And to me, that completely skewers this whole defense of like, oh, I didn't know, I didn't Google it. Totally.

It's like, well, there's so many other people that did. And in a lot of cases, that people, the people who said no had way less power, right? They were not nearly as rich. Like, for example, Reid Hoffman, one of his defenses is he's like, oh, well, he would only help me raise money if I went to, it's like, dude, what do you need to raise money for? You're worth like $40 billion. Like, you need help raising money or whatever. You know what, your collective net worth of you and all your friends is going to be in the hundreds of hundreds of billions, right? Why do you need this obscure financier to help you finance like an MIT or Harvard donation? Like, even

that explanation passes no smell test for me. Same with Bill Gates. His original explanation was what? Oh, well, he was going to help me raise money for the Bill and Melinda Gates. It's like, dude, you were one of the richest men in the world. Like, what do you need this guy for? Allegedly, the real influence campaign was Bill Gates needed him to help him win the Nobel Peace Prize. But honestly, the more that we see now is like, dude, maybe there was something going on in terms of the social life that Epstein is offered, you know, he's able to offer him. And then when Bill cuts him off, what does he do? He memorializes this. memo to himself about Bill and Bill Gates and the STDs and all of this stuff. Like that's how it operates is that he got in with him.

Maybe Bill realizes he's a fraud or he gets upset with him. That's exactly when the Epstein email is going to strike. Right. That's when the memo comes. It's like, no, you don't get to walk away from me. I walk away from you, if ever at all. And like that's the nature of his relationship. Right.

It's the nature of his relationship with all of these guys. And he's charming and brings you in. And if you try to fuck him, then he has. stuff on you. Yeah, exactly. He was nasty. I mean, you see it in his communication with his victims, right, and how commanding and controlling is. And then also in the way that, like, when you cross him, all the people who did business with him, they're like, oh, you do not want to be on the other side. Why? What happens? Because he wouldn't pay his bills or he would do a protracted legal battle, or he would call somebody to yell at you. Like, his MO was, if we're in business, you're going to

be my friend, everything forever. But if you mess with me, it's going to be a problem. So who was doing the punishment at his behest? Well, he had a lot of lawyers. I mean, he was a very, man, right? I can't name all of them. One of the lawyers, you want to look it up, one of the head of the law firm, just stepped down, who was it? Law firm, step down, Epstein,

make sure I get his name. Because these guys are, they're not co-conspirators in the sex trafficking, per se, but they are co-conspirators in terms of the operation. So you look at like a Harvey Weinstein type. Well, well, again,

they're not guilty of sex trafficking, but they are guilty of maintaining his power. By the way, this is a lawyer. Best thing. job for sure. Paul Weiss is a massive law firm. Like anybody who knows that this is a very influential. So to have Brad Karp, who was the chairman of Paul Weiss, to step down over his relationship with Epstein, big deal, right? Because you could actually see it. Carp once thanked Epstein for, quote, hosting him for a once-in-a-lifetime evening. Epstein told Karp, you're always welcome and that there are many, many nights of unique talents you will be invited often.

Look, let me give the innocent one. He often held dinners and lunches with very wealthy, powerful, rich people, smart people, MIT law professors. A lot of people actually went to those, and they didn't know anything about the sex stuff. Now, I will say, you know, some of them who did go were like, yeah, even when we were at innocent dinners, there was something off about the guy or he would have women who were sitting in his lap, right, at the current meeting. The paintings were all, like, deeply sexual. and discuss, like, so there's, you know, there's not a full off of just doing that. Like, if you went in there, you probably didn't talk about ditty parties. It's like, oh, we were all at the ditty parties, but I ain't seen none at actually.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah, but you definitely knew something was wrong. It's like, you definitely knew that the power diner, and you can smell it, dude. Like, when you're, if you're in a room like that, you're like, something is not right. You know, it's like, especially with those pictures. Also, I just do want to return to that thing. I, people were like, oh, well, I didn't, I had no idea. after 07, like, I'm sorry, Google exists.

The charge is registered sex offender. Solicitation of a minor for process. Is it registered sex offender? I thought that- He was a registered sex offender. But I thought the specific charge, the sex offender registry was wiped after a year. I forget the timing of it, but he had to register his sex offender. But I thought that it went away afterward.

Like, I thought that was why, part of the reason why we said the sweetheart deal is because he could operate as a normal citizen afterwards. I don't have it in front of me. I have to look it up. But the registration term, I don't know, but the solicitation charge is out there. It was literally public record. The solicitation charge, yes. Right, but it literally said solicitation for a prostitution involving a minor. Right. Like, I'm not, I would never meet anybody like, right? Like, would you? No, it's just a Google. It's a simple Google. And you can go to way back machine. And you can look at what the Google search in 2016 was. Right. On Epstein. And you get three links down, you go, Miami Man arrested and prostitutions. And you're like, this is,

Right. Yeah. It's like, no, this is not happening. And then you're going to continue to do business with them? You can also see, I believe, I don't have it in the document, but there were, I think there was some email where a firm was helping him edit his Wikipedia page or like edit search results. So like he was very concerned exactly maybe about this, that people were out there Googling him who he was supposed to meet with and then they're removing some of the search results. So you mentioned earlier that you got the email leaks. Are these different emails from what? Some of them are in there, not all of them. in there. So one of his emails was hacked by this collective group. They gave access to my colleague,

Ryan. Ryan shared it with me. Actually, not just me. Bloomberg News got their hands on it. A couple of news outlets. And we all went through. I mean, it has a lot of personal information so we can't just publish all of it. And you have to be responsible. But we published most of what we thought was newsworthy. That underage email I showed you. That was some from his hacked email. I don't even know if that's in the file. Was there an email? You know how he sent himself an email like to maybe blackmail gates. Was there one like that about Trump? No, there hasn't been one that I've been able to find yet.

I haven't seen one, at least in the sent email. And I checked, to be fair, you should remember this. He changes email all the time. The hacked email that I had access to was only active for a select few year period. Every time you would get in trouble, he would change his email. So there's like 10 emails out there. There's a pre-99 email. There's a 99 to 05 email.

There's a 05 to whatever, like his legal emails that I kind of had access. to when he was negotiating his plea agreement. That's why it was interesting for me, because it's like a very dark time in Jeffrey's life. But then there's a Galane changed your email too. She had multiple different email addresses. So even what you see here, there are a couple that are in there. But that's why I think the channel's four story about how maybe only 2% of what's been released, like that's the whole point.

There's still so much out there. I mean, my dream is the pre-99 stuff. That's where it all is. And nobody who's touched that? No, but there's nothing in there, man. I mean, nothing in there about all of that. That's where Les Wexner, Hoffenberg, you know, Iran, Kant, like, that's the real stuff. Who's got their hands on that?

I don't even know if it exists at this point. I'd be shocked. Oh, it exists. I mean, maybe if it still exists. Like, there's stuff at like Zora Ranch that's now in the hands of like a new private owner. And like the DOJ is like, we're going to investigate what's going on because there might be bodies. Yeah, what's going to get there in a few weeks. You want to pull this up, Griffin?

Yeah. Zora Ranch. You're not going to tell someone that you're going to go investigate where there's dead bodies. So Zorling. Ranch was an Epstein property that has never been searched. Yeah. And by the way, with New Mexico, one of the Epstein linked politicians that nobody remembers now is Bill Richardson. He died, but he was the governor of New Mexico.

He was a very prominent Democrat. Did he die or did he die? No, he liked died. But if you paid attention to, like, I knew Bill Richardson. Like, he was very connected with the Clinton machine. I think he went to North Korea at one point. Like, he was a very prominent, like, if you were in the news business, 10, 15 years ago, you knew who Bill Richardson was.

And he was deeply connected to Jeffrey Epstein. It actually comes out in some of the files. So just to connect the tissue to Zora Ranch and the New Mexico property, because not a lot of people pay attention to Zora Ranch and the Jeffrey Epstein connection. In fact, I believe it was bought by a Texas politician or who is running for office right now. But New Mexico has now approved a new commission, if we want to pull that up, Griffin, a quote, truth commission on the Epstein Ranch. abuse. Lawmakers said the panel will compel testimony to discover what happened at Epstein's

Zora Ranch and who knew about any of the alleged abuse that happened there. But multiple women have said that they were abused at Zora Ranch. I do believe that it was never rated. Yeah, they've rated all the other properties. New York, Caribbean, Palm Beach, and Paris never will touch Zora Ranch. So it's, I mean, look, who knows? I don't know. It's been a long time. I'm not quite sure, like, exactly what's left there at this point. Like, at that time was the time to like sit around and gather the evidence. But this just goes to show, like, the sprawling nature of the investigation. And even in terms of, like, what remains and is interesting, let's say, like, in the files,

is what remains most important and what I kept emphasizing last time is the month. And can you Google Ron Wyden, Epstein, Treasury Records? I wanted to make a public call for this. These still have not yet been released. And these are, like, when we talk about files, this type of stuff that should be. The Treasury Department is sitting on a trove of suspicious activity reports that the banks put together after Epstein's death that detail like a billion dollars in suspicious wire transfers all around the world.

That is what I want to get my hands on. And that's the stuff that's not released. That's the stuff that, unfortunately, it's not sexy like we talked about for politicians. Yeah, there you go. White in expands Epstein investigation with probe of hundreds of suspicious bank, Mellon transactions. Epstein moved nearly 400 million in and out of accounts in a bank of New York Mellon through 270 wire transfers. That's just one bank. There's multiple other banks that have suspicious activity reports just with stuff like this. This is the whole story, piecing together

where the money went, who it came from. And that is what actually would really implicate and screw a lot of rich and powerful people. Because that could show money laundering. That could show the tax avoidance. That could show the shell companies and the payments. of in and out and the intelligence network. See, I mean, who the hell know? Em Osad, everybody would be involved with something like this. This has never been, never been released, never been touched.

This wasn't required that it was given to the public. It's a different, it's part of the Treasury Department. It's a different outside of the Department of Justice. So that's part of the difficulty with this. But this is the- Can we FOIA the Treasury Department? You can, but this one would, you know, ongoing investigation. I mean, we could try.

It would probably take years. As I understand, and I'm, by the way, if you're listening to this, Some people have seen these files. The investigators from the committee, they were allowed to read them, but they couldn't take any notes. Like they were allowed to go in and review the file, but they weren't allowed to take any notes, and they're not allowed to talk about it. So I've been trying to anonymously get in touch with anybody who's seen this.

Like who, for example. People on Ron Wydenstaff, a couple of other people on the committee, the finance committee. So there's not that many people. And even then, I think technically they'd be speaking out of turn. But if you want to talk anonymously, I'll protect you. I would love to know what's in the files. Can I ask you a question? Yes.

Epstein is gone. Yeah. Maybe he's dead. Maybe he's somewhere else. Right. But he's only a cog in this greater machine. So my question is, who is the next Epstein? I do not know who the next Epstein is.

I have a suspicion of where it will come out of. I think I have a section here about next epixt. Let's start with Eric Schmidt, okay? So Eric Schmidt, he's the ex-Google CEO. here he was more recently spotted with a 27-year-old daughter of a German politician. Let's just say we've often heard about Eric and some of his exploits. But I'm putting this together with a couple of other stories. Can we go to the Elon and Sergei's story, for example?

Sergei Grin? Yeah. So do you guys remember the whole Nicole Shanahan, who was RFK Jr's running mate? And she was married to Sergei Brin. And allegedly, according to this Wall Street Journal article, she slept with Elon Musk, apparently at a party. And yeah, and that was the precipitating of their divorce. And Sergei, by the way, was named sometime in Epstein.

And then go to that polyamory article, the next one that I put from 2017. This I have just heard, and the reason I'm putting this all up of Eric Schmidt, Sergei, Elon, and the ins and outs of Silicon Valley's new sexual revolution. This is from 2017 about polyamory. There was and has been now a movement in tech over the last decade. of transhumanism. You guys know what that is. Like specifically with AI.

You know, it's like move past any normalcy and to break boundaries and one of that was in the area of their sexual morality and that's why they were

embracing polyamory. Well, if you put all this stuff together of the transhumanists and of the questioning, whoever the next step scene is, it will come from somewhere like this. I think it's gonna come right. I mean, think about it.

That's where the money, the power, where's all the US GDP is tied up in AI in data capital expenditure. It's in the hands of Zuckerberg and Sergei, Google, Jeff Bezos. God, look at him and the whole Lauren Sanchez thing. So I'm just saying it's going to come. And then the rise of personalities like IElla girl, we can put her up her. Griffin loves this particular. Are you guys familiar? Do you guys know who this is? No. She's a substack

girl. I think she's in Austin right now. I think she's in Austin. She frequently writes about her sexual exploits. Oh, I'll see her on Twitter. Yeah, she does like research. about... She does, like, she does like data-based analysis on her orgies. Yeah, on her orgies. She'll, like, host an orgy and then take data

based on it. The number of men who did this team, how many times they ejaculate. Yeah, exactly. And then one recently, she took a kid's virginity. Yeah, that's right. And she wrote about it.

And wrote about taking kids virginity in the orgy and did a bunch of data. Anyway, she's very popular. She's very popular attack. She's very popular attack. I believe so. Yeah, no, yeah. I'm not alleging, to be clear,

I'm not alleging underage abuse in any of these cases. What I'm telling you is paying a picture of all of these prominent tech personalities where we clearly can see a moral degenerate framework. And obvious, in my opinion, if there were to be a new Epstein, it will come somewhere out of Silicon Valley. As we saw, many of the Silicon Valley people were involved with Epstein. So if there's going to be a new one, it's going to come out of this nexus of power, money, control, a belief that we're better than everybody else, building the technology of

the future. I mean, shit, a lot of the stuff Epstein was into, like eugenics and, uh, you know, his DNA. Can we put that New York Times article up there from eugenics? Jeffrey Epstein's hope to seed the world with his DNA, to seed the human race. Like, he was literally obsessed with impregnating women. Yeah, at the Zorro Ranch, at his New Mexico ranch. Like, this is...

Does he have any kids? We don't know. It's all, it's exactly. Wait a minute. There's all these references in the files to stolen babies. Andrew Windsor's former wife. She emails... Andrew Windsor is Prince Andrew?

Yeah. He's stripped of his title, so he's just Andrew. You get a last name now. He's no longer a Brazilian football player. But he, his wife or ex-wife, sends an email to Epstein saying, congrats on the baby boy. Yeah. Right.

And then also immediately falls it up with saying, hey, I feel like our friendship is so fake. Like you kind of, like, you know, ghosted me. I feel like you just wanted to get close to me to get tight with Prince Andrew. It's just like a week, like the whole exchange is bizarre. Isn't there, do I have in there the diary entry, diary baby stolen? I'm fairly certain that I do. Let's fine.

Yeah, here it is. Perhaps it says baby. There was this diary entry, a 32 page diary of an Epstein. This was part of the files. This is again, not confirmed. Epstein, a victim, she writes that she gave birth to a baby girl and was used as an incubator. That's what she wrote in. This is very cryptic and it's very strange.

She says, controlled all by Jeffrey all the time. Go to New Mexico. What in the hell? This makes no sense. What about school? He is now controlling everything when it used to be Galane, who some days acts like she hates me. I'm tired of keeping this secret. I know people are wondering, but I can't tell.

I'm exhausted. I don't understand why she's treating me on some days like I'm the enemy when we lay in bed together and she is how she used to be warm. She eventually, like I said, this is like 32 pages. But at the end, she says, I missed the person I was before I was. made into what feels as a human incubator. And she says, this is not surprising. There's no such thing as a child prostitute. They are children and cannot consent. They are missing the biggest in my own backyard and so many more. So yeah, I mean, look, again, this is 32-year-old, 32 pages.

It's rambling. Like, we have no idea what this entire thing was about. But I did check it is an actual entry, which is in there. She alleges the incubation. I will say there have been multiple instances of these transhumanist billionaires. Google, thing about the Chinese billionaire, Chinese billionaire, IVF babies, California, where recently in family court, it came out that a Chinese billionaire was paying American models

to have his babies via IVF. He would never even meet them. Yeah, here we go. The Chinese billionaire having dozens of U.S. born babies via surrogacy. So he was like paying, sorry, I said IVF previously. He did surrogacy where he would have his, like, his genes or his children like,

like impregnated into these surrogates who he'd never met before and he would be their legal father in the court of law and in exchange he would pay these people for years and years like give them a stipend to raise his children in America and it's all based on this belief

of just like paying people to spread your seed to as many as possible. I mean Elon is involved allegedly in this type of stuff so is the signal guy right? Pavoldorav. Yeah. With the telegram.

There you go. He's basically, I think he has a deal where any woman can carry his child and he'll like pay them a small amount or something to that effect. And anyone on Earth can have his kid. And I think it's like allegedly thousands of children. Right. So there you go.

Right. So I just gave you guys like multiple super rich examples. Thousands of children. And there's multiple of these billionaires who are out there. This is the allegation. I don't know exactly how many. Maybe I'm not being responsible. But I think he has a contract and paperwork where basically he's absolved of any type of like fatherly duties.

That this is just a donation. Right. But he'll donate to anyone. So what is this about? What is the, is this some weird flex? flex. No, it's not a flex. It's like Jenghis Khan. They believe that they're better than us, that they need to spread their seed, that their seed is morally and, you know, is morally and is morally superior to the rest of us and that they have a social responsibility to perpetuate their genetics in the gene pool as much as humanly possible to achieve domination. And like, it's quite literally about that. And that is Epstein at his core. was a transhumanist. He also, at one point, see if you could find that email where he makes fun of Bill Gates for Christian morality. He like makes fun of Bill Gates for being like,

oh, Bill is this idiot. He has this Christian idea that all humans are created equal. Right? Like he was like, what a naive and a stupid belief. And so what all that we're all, we're all the same and we're all equal? I've heard different people have these discussions. Like, what do you think? How do you think somebody comes to these conclusions where they're trying justify their success or their power. Yeah. Where does that come from? Is it like a baked in narcissism that gets wrapped up in some like pseudo-technical justification?

So that's it. You're just trying to reframe your narcissism for why you are the supreme being. Right. I mean, we're all in unique position. Like we've actually met a lot of like very famous people or like powerful people or even like successful people. And in my experience, there's two kinds. There's one kind who is like, man, let me tell you. It's pure luck.

Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, it's like, there's one kind who is like, there are 15 other guys who I started out with who were just as good as me. I happened for this, this and this. It all lined up perfectly. I'm going to make the best of it because I'm very uniquely in this position and I am not better than anybody else. Like, in fact, a lot of people who I knew who were better than me ended up not making it.

And that's a tragedy. And in fact, you should try. A lot of those people will try to lift other people up around them, right? And then there's the other kind who was like, no, it was. was only me, right? And it was, they are weak, they tapped out, they don't have what it takes. Those are the types of people who, in general, will subscribe to this. You know, it's very enticing. You're a billionaire, man. You're in the top point 0.001%. Of course your seed should be spread. You're better than everybody else. You hire everybody around you. Like, think about even in the

best circumstances for those people to stay grounded. And then how easy is it when there's this whole permission structure, technology, structure, ideology that says, no, you're better. We should just keep cranking it up. Yes, spread your seed as much as possible. Genetically engineer. Oh, if you have a different sexual proclivity, it's okay. The law does not apply to you, right?

The law, like, Andrew, you texted me. You were like, why do we pay taxes? And I was like, well, man, we don't have influence over the people who have monopoly on the use of force. So we'll go to jail. Whereas the people who don't pay taxes, if you don't get in trouble for that, you didn't do anything wrong, right?

There's no such thing. Everything is in the eye of enforcement. And that's a theory about structural power, which I think is so enticing for people who are very, very, very wealthy. Yeah. It's dark. And then when you ask, like, why are people going in, like, the administration and not doing anything? It's like, yeah, they got invited on the boat.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you're in the club. Yeah. Like, you can either fight us forever or you can just join us. Yep. Right? And it's like a lot of them just join. And most people probably would join.

We got to sink the boat. Yeah, right. Exactly. I can't believe, like, yeah. I never understood that feeling that you don't count luck as this massive, this massive assistance in your success. I know. These people are pathological, though.

Or not even luck. Like the other one I heard people do, and I like this one too, is, and you sometimes hear athletes talk about it, is, I'm not as talented as these guys, so I gotta work really hard. Yeah. And there's like, yeah, you're giving yourself credit for hard work,

but there's a humility built into it, which is all these guys around me are so fucking talented. They're so good. And I got to find a way to be good as them. I got to find a different way, and that might just be like, I got to work twice as hard. So there's this humility built in

that is like really beautiful. It's also relatable. Even giving it to God. Like, if it's sincere, it's like, hey, it's not me. Right. It's the thing outside of me. And they mock people to do that. Yeah.

These people mock people that do that. No, they do. You see it all the time. Somebody might accept something, some award or whatever, and they're like, I really want to thank God for giving me this opportunity. They're like, oh, you got to thank God. Look at you. Why could you just think you're better than everyone else? Yeah.

Well, imagine that person can't believe what they've accomplished. And they're trying to justify it in some way. And instead of going, I deserve it because I'm better than all of you, they go, there's a fucking higher power. And they looked out. Dude, I feel that way being able to do what I do? I'm like, I look back on it and I'm like, break here, break here, break here, break here. It's like, you better make the most of it, man. There's a lot of guys who you started out with who are not in the position that you are in.

But if you can't get it, I don't think you ever will because I think it is truly a pathology. Right? It's like someone that has like synesthesia. Like they can explain to you how like they can, you know, like see sounds or whatever. But like you can never truly know it unless you have it. And these people truly have a megalomedia and like a narmatia. like a narcissism that is clinical. And it's all, in my opinion, rooted around control.

Everything is all control. Like destabilizing governments, growing their own portfolios, connecting these people. Even I think their sexual proclivities and their trafficking crimes are control. Dude, all of his sex stuff is control. You see it in there. Take the photo, do this. It's all, it's like frame control. Everything is about it is he has to control every aspect of the interaction from who he pays to the

recruitment, even the act of a massage. Like, it's submissive. He's like, I'm not doing anything to you. This is all about me. Like, the whole thing is about me. Right? Like, that was his entire framework. You could benefit from sex, not with a child, obviously, but with an adult.

Like, you might actually feel some joy out of this. No. You will feel nothing. I will be the only person. You service me. That's it. That's the whole thing. And again, this came from the pod that, what's the guy's name?

Anand. Anand did with Ezra. Where basically he's pointing out the, like, I don't know if this is all pedophiles from a pathological standpoint or just Epstein, but it's this idea that an adult can stand up for themselves. They can push back against you. They can have their own opinions. Like, they are their own human being. But children can't, or at least with intimidation of fear, they're much less likely to do so.

So it is the sort of zenith of control that this person is truly just a vessel. I think Virginia Giffray, even in her book, talks about how Epstein just talked about women as vaginas with a heartbeat or something to that effect. They're like, you're not a human. You're just a thing for me to exploit. He has some email in here where he tells them he's like, he's like, don't open your mouth too much or something like. He's like, nobody actually cares what you have to say. Yeah.

Like when he's talking to, I think some girl who was asking about career advice. He was like, don't open your mouth too much. Nobody cares what you have to say. Yeah. Yeah. What does justice look like? Great question. I would like to see some semblance of what we have in the UK,

which I think is handling it responsibly. The party in power and the ruling opposition and the opposition decided this is a serious scandal. The party in power had to face very difficult questions, had to allow open police investigations to be had about the royal family and about the person who was part of their government. The House of Lords had to have a discussion about stripping of titles. None of it, to me, reeks of like going too far because what they're doing is they're just opening an investigation. They're making it so that like a set of plans. field and also setting an accountability within the culture of their government of like this is

intolerable we cannot have everyone in government who has been acting like this with geoffrey epstein and what i think is responsible about that is that the party in power they got hit they had a they have a real political problem around this the opposition both from a political perspective but also from a justice perspective involving the police is actually opening investigation into all avenues that's what i think justice would look like here like everything that we've put up to let's be clear, like many of these emails are just allegations, and allegations are not substantive enough to be able to convict someone in court, nor should they in the United States of America. It's great as a journalist to have as much information as possible, but real justice

has to be adjudicated through our court system. And I would want a real investigation over all of the claims, the co-conspirators, the money, and, you know, from the financial crimes. And I think that's what justice looks like. That ultimately, it's about accountability for the people who appear to truly believe that they're above the law and to just put an end to not just that criminality, but to that mindset and to send a message because that's what the Epstein story is about. Yeah. That's the Epstein story. Yeah.

And then our justice is, hey, we charge one person and then put her in a cushy jail and probably we'll get clemency at the end of Trump's administration. That's justice. Look, Peter Atia's emails were fucked up. We can admit that, right? Okay. But how is it that he's in more hot water than the Commerce Secretary? That's crazy.

That's actually insane. That Peter Attia has more of a pile on than the Commerce Secretary of the United States of America. Well, he's staying at CBS. Right, yeah. Sure. But he was at least in hot water. Yeah. Or that guy, the head of Paul Wise.

Casey Wasserman, he's selling his L.A. talent agency. Boohoo. Okay. But still, I mean, I'm sure it sucks, you know, if you're him. But, like, my point is just Casey Wasserman is under more of a, under, more problems is facing like financial pressure and all this stuff and is facing more accountability than the Commerce Secretary of the United States of America. That's crazy. Or the current president who is just acting in an insane way around the story. It seems like they're giving us the people

who rely on those institutions of power and have benefited from them, but not the people who are actually part of these institutions of power. And we need to see the people who are part of these institutions and these power dynamics go down. So what are the, based on the information that we have right now, who are those 10 people, who are those 20 people, who are those five people? Like, who are people that there's enough, we think, incriminating evidence in the files? It could be child sex stuff. It could be financial crimes.

It could be cover up. You know what I mean? Like, is there enough? And we know that obviously- There's not enough in the files to be able to name any of that. I would say there's not enough in the files. And it's irresponsible to give 10 names. From what we've seen.

From what we've seen. Right. from what we have seen in terms of what's public. I would say that obviously Wexner is an important place to look. But I still think, I still think we need much more information. And again, I know it's not as sexy. I think the financial stuff will prove everything. I think that is everything.

That is unfortunately, the financial stuff, I think, is so derivative from the initial story. Yeah. Right? And I think is like so far out of the understanding of most people. Like right now I'm understanding like money laundering and moving money around so we can move more weapons around the world. I don't even really know what that means if I'm being honest with you. Like yes, I know we need to get weapons to Iran and we have to do it through these intermediaries. I conceptually understand it. But when someone goes, there's a child sex trafficking ring. There are kids potentially being murdered. Right. And around the world by all the elites. I think the knee jerk reaction. for most people is we need justice for that. We don't give a fuck that they're setting some missiles over to a run. I think that is the sensation. But what you're saying, and I think is probably the most true, is that by solving those financial crimes,

it will solve these as well. Because what's probably the case is the top of the top is that. And the sex crimes are derivative of that. And they enable the intelligence and the finance that enables. everything else. A lot of the people were involved with him, they probably had no idea. Or if they did have an idea, they looked the other way, but they weren't participating themselves. But he was so useful to them that they, it all kept perpetuating. That's what, you know, we talk about a culture of permission. And ultimately, he was allowed

to operate in a permission structure where he got to be phenomenally wealthy, unaccountable to the law, build this empire that he was on the top of, where he was orchestrating, you know, geopolitics and various deals with different countries and all this other stuff. And as he got more power and money, the sex empire grew, right? But it only is able to grow because of the umbrella of the power. I think what's super damning is all the DVRs, hard drives of the secret cameras. They have what, 80 cameras in the house. We have no idea.

Which they say aren't in the files. We have no clue. They say they're not in the files. Or they're not going to release it because it's C-SAM and it's a victim material. Sure. Which, look, I mean, I have no. It probably is. But isn't that the most damning?

Because we can literally see the people who are there interacting with potential young girls. That would be great. If they were to release it. But there's also no co-conspirators. So it's like there's this weird paradox that we're existing in where there's no co-conspirators, but there is blackmail material probably with child sexual assault content that no one knows about. So if there's no co-conspirators, who is Trump and the administration protecting? Great question.

Yeah, well, that's why they, look, remember, it's always been very, it's always been very convenient to the current governments in power that Trump and Galane Maxwell were the only people charged. That's the most convenient way for, because then the Epstein story dies with Epstein. The Galane Maxwell charges, she goes to jail. It's about her. It's got nothing to do with anybody else. Well, who are they protecting? What we see from the Epstein class, as we see in all these stories, is that from the files is that what they're protecting is if anything like a system. and honestly, even a way of life.

Like, it is quite literally. That's... You know, the way I described, the way that the billionaires operate here about with their spreading their seed. It's a philosophy, man. It's a mindset. This is interesting.

They're protecting the system. And the system is not dependent on one or two individuals. Yeah, exactly. The system is what allows thousands of individuals to thrive. Right. And if you attack that system, you remove the honey pot from all of those people that are interconnected around the world. So, yeah, go go.

The system to me that we're talking about is ultimately one that protects capital above everything else and financializes global markets. Right, bingo, right. Which, how do you actually dismantle that without just like becoming, like, are we just doing like a theory podcast? Yeah, yeah, right. I mean, Mark, unfortunately, that's an age-old political theory. Like, I'm trying to not get like fully just like pilled here, right?

I'm like, dude, I'm an angles, bro. No, what I'm saying is I think that like dismantling a system like that starts with punitive measures from the people taking part in the system. Yeah. Because if there's no punishment for taking part in the system, you're going to have these, you know, maniacal narcissists take on that thing without any real risk. Right now, if Alex wants to write off his fucking car for his business, he's got to think about it. He's got to call a CPA and be like, okay, how do I make sure that it's a vehicle that I'm only using for my business or I'm using a hypothetical here? But like these guys don't give a fuck. These guys are going, I'm not going to pay tax on any of this.

I'm going to send $200 million over to this foreign government to, you know, what's it called cause unrest? But that's a feature of the system. Right. But if you felt that there was repercussions for taking part in the system, i.e., what happened with the church committee. Right? Well, it was supposed to happen in the church committee was, hey, there are repercussions, CIA. When you go around the world and you do these bad things, we're going to punish you and the people in it. Now, did it stop it?

No, they found a workaround. But I guess what we have to do is, just like all law enforcement, is continue punishing workarounds. The thing with the church committee, I don't even know if there was repercussions. It was just an exposure. No one that ran M.K. Oldshire. That's a good point. No, no. And on top of it, it gets put into blacks.

Yeah, you're not wrong, but I would disagree with that it wasn't a serious punishment. because what it did is it humiliated them. And also what it did is it made America never trusted their government again. There are two single things that made Americans never trust their government. It's the JFK assassination. And also it was Nixon, the 1970s and the church committee. That was an entire decade of like, no, these people. Oh, in Vietnam, obviously.

Those things, JFK, Vietnam, the church committee, Nixon, that decade made it for the moment that we're in right now where they were like, we can't trust these people anymore. So like, I agree. We never trust. Ill justice would be, no, but they, no, for real, though. No, me, me. Oh, okay. If you go look at public polling, there's like Pew Research polling, like 90% of Americans were like, I believe the government in 1955.

It's crazy. We were living in a different world, man. They were like, well, the president said it. Eisenhower was like a god. I think he just said something. They were like, yep, got it. Yeah. So then this is my thing.

It's like we're ultimately looking at an actual shakeup of how the world interacts with capital. Like, is really kind of what, like, we're flirting with, which, again, I don't know if that's the answer, but I do think as long as these things continue to exist. And then you kind of put, like, some punitive shit where, like, you trust bust and you have, like, you know, post-robber bar in America where, like, you kind of reorganize things. Yeah, the progressive era. Yeah, it just progressivizes, but then it backslides into this exact, like, quasi-feudal system

where the richest 1% just do whatever they want with impunity because that's how it's set up. Yeah. But maybe that is. maybe that is what you have to do. It's a constant fight. Yeah, exactly. It's not like, hey, we fix it, and then these people who constantly are looking for tiny margins that they can exploit are going to stop it. You have to keep looking at them every single day, every single year, you've got to keep punishing them, and you have to set examples. Like, you have to set examples that make other people that would be willing to join these groups go,

ooh, it's a little risky to go over there. Yeah, exactly. Everything is about permission structure, is you want to shut down permission structure to try and dis-sendronize it. Also not a bad idea. But now you understand how they got to the geese. Yeah. They need to send a message. You can't do this fucking shit. Did you see the thing that people are saying they might have swapped out, Gleyn? Like, she looks completely different.

No, no, credits it out. The face looks a lot different. There's pretty good photo. She actually is in my hometown. She's in the town I grew up in, in prison. Really? Yeah, Brian Collis Station. I was really born there.

So, like, yeah. Can anybody visit her? Well, you can't visit the prison camp, but you can't visit the prison camp. but you can get pretty damn close. Like those daily male guys with their telescopes, they get photos of her all the time in the yard. She's in the same prison as Elizabeth Holmes and the real housewives.

She's not even supposed to be there because she's a sex offender, which is crazy. That's a whole other story. Yeah. Yeah. The Catholic Church says that people should visit people in prison. It's a corporal work of mercy. Right. So you can get in good standing with the Pope. But she would have to put you on. She would have to put you on her wrist.

So you get to a beat with you. How hard is it to get on a list with Galang? I don't know, man. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah, I get your point, Mark, which is like you're talking about, you're talking about systems in place in a way that essentially the world works and blowing that up.

And I don't know if it essentially blows it up, but we have to create, like, these are people who are already risk-averse and there's no risk for joining. Right. Exactly. So you're taking the most, no, they're not risk-averse. Sorry, not-risk-vers. These are the most risk-tolerant people on the planet. And there's a club that you join where now you don't have to, be worried about risk at all.

We have to increase the risk even a little bit. You know, because it's not going to be your morality. Like, the fact that Epstein is making fun of Bill Gates for having, and this is Bill Gates worth 50 billion dollars for having too much morality. Yeah, yeah. Bill Gates for having too much morality. Like, what does that mean, what does that say about Epstein and his cronies and the level of morality that Bill Gates is an anomaly to him?

Yeah. Wow. Wow. Crazy stuff, guys. Yeah. You have the media covering it up that are paid. they basically have a financial incentive in order to sell ads to their people, so they run the stories that are going to get the money. And then you have the legal system that's operating

in lockstep with the criminals because they're being told that their intelligence allegedly. And so like the legal system is failing, the media is failing, the government is ultimately failing. The global system is all in cooperation because the financialized markets are basically pushing everyone in the same direction. So it doesn't have to be controlled by one guy, but just the incentive structure makes all them do the same shit. Dude, I mean, seeing Elon in the files and no how much I've invested in Tesla. That's very concerned.

And I say that as a joke, but I think that that's an example of how a lot of these people feel. When they're pot committed, right? Like, a guy who, a guy like, I don't know, teal, for example, this, like Kingmaker, this big power broker. Like, if you're invested in all these different

companies that he is, you know, I wouldn't say that there may be dependent on him, but there might be this version where if you're one of these silicon guys, you know, he's getting into some nefarious. I don't know if he is, is allegedly, but he seems to be all over this kind of stuff. If you're like, well, he's my access point to all these series A rounds. And if I call him out for his fuck shit, am I not going to be invited into series A rounds? By the way, you won't.

Yeah. And you won't. So it's like, it's not only like the society's relationship to capital. There's like a personal greed complex that you have to, I mean, you're not going to eradicate it at all. But like, it silences people. You don't even have to silence them from being implicated. You can silence them simply from wanting more money. Yeah.

Rough stuff. I should catch train, guys. All right. Sager, thank you so much, bro. Thanks, James. All right, Soggs. You're the man. Appreciate you.

Thank you for everything. Okay. Be safe. Be safe. I'm not suicidal. He's not suicidal. What did Thomas Massey said? He's like, I'm not suicidal.

I eat healthy food. And I can swim really well. I love my wife. I can swim. I don't go on boats. First floor only. Yeah, first floor only. I don't stay in high hotel rooms.

Thank you, bro. I love my wife dearly. Well, hey, go check out, Saugers. He's going to continue reporting on this. Great job, man. Thank you, man. Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me. Peace.