Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Peter Dinklage on House Of The Dragon vs Game Of Thrones & Being The Famous Dwarf Ever

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

Yerrr we got Peter Dinklage aka Tyrion Lannister in the studio today. We’re talking all things Game Of Thrones, House Of The Dragon, and his new film with Schulz, The Thicket. We even discuss some crazy P. Diddy Rap stories, and the future of Artificial Intelligence in film. INDULGE! 00:00 Intro 00:55 Peter is too high brow 9:50 Peter is the most identifiable person on the planet 12:16 Game of Thrones writing was incredible + Tyrion 17:56 HBO didn’t believe in Games of Thrones initially 19:32 Film industry is too risk averse 20:45 Girls throwing cat at Peter 22:50 Getting the role + indie feeling on GoT 25:41 Refusing the typecast 28:40 Dwarf community representative + Protective over family 33:10 Being Swifities, Peter’s 90s band + Williamsberg [sic] 43:56 The Thicket coming out on Tubi + Andrew is good at acting? 47:28 Book adaptations are hard 48:44 Having a female villain is GREAT 51:23 Elliott Lester directed Rap videos + WILD P Diddy stories 56:31 Jay-Z is the greatest 57:56 Method Man & Redman were fantastic 1:01:27 DMX was a wild boy - Rest in Peace 1:02:26 Why did we film in the cold? 1:05:18 Andrew demonstrates his infamous popcorn move 1:09:24 Respect to Calgary + Trans teams are weird 1:14:57 Demons are real 1:16:41 Drugs are bad mmmkay and Zyns 1:19:13 Hot Ones is all about Sean Evans 1:21:45 Snoop Dogg & politics of chicken 1:25:55 Peter’s a meat eater 1:31:29 STFU MARK 1:32:27 There’s a place for theaters + too much is spoiled 1:43:14 Reminiscing about p0rn0 + watching with the boys 1:48:48 AI being used in films 1:53:02 Real sets are cheaper than artificial ones 1:56:14 Ebbs and flows of TV & Films 1:58:01 Being courageous in filmmaking + Koreans leading the way 2:02:23 Why is Stephen Spielberg so special? 2:04:09 Eternal cynicism + Stanley Kubrick 2:06:47 Worried all the time about this country + hope 2:07:53 “Fail better”

Do a lot of dwarves have beards? Shut the f*** up. No, I'm kidding. I'm talking about... I'm just kidding. I'm telling you. You're dealing with a real one right now. Octogenarian, man, to be exact.

Those are old guys? Okay. I knew that worked. We're leveling it up. I'll bring it down. I'll bring the both of them down. Please! Your life is Game of Thrones.

This show is House of Dragons. I just talked to him! We just had... Williamsburg was crazy in the 90s. It was just affordable. It was all the... It's... All the... The curlies were there.

The Globus were there. Wow. Right? Sure. Bonziklager can sell them out. HBO was really worried about Game of Thrones. They were just like, dragons? We do like wire and...

But it was mafia. But they took the risk. With great risk comes great reward. Do you have people in the dwarf community reaching out? And saying... Listen, bro. In the tree hollow? I did say where they lived, Pete!

Hold on, let me call them. It's really small. What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flaygrant. Today, I am incredibly excited. Maybe the most excited I've ever been to do an episode of Flaygrant. Okay, we have an illustrious guest. I think the first time that I met him, I said, season two of a specific show, his character was the greatest season that a character's ever had

in the history of television. I think that's what I said. Yeah, and then he said, can you leave me alone, please? I don't think that second part was true. We have Peter Dinklage with us now filming! Now, we also have... Is that the bear horns? The special effects are high here.

We also have Elliot with us, guys. Oh, what's up, Elliot? The fearless director of Peter's new movie. And Andrew Schultz's new film. No, no, this is your guy. We call it a film, not a movie. Okay, my bad. High brow.

I need to be higher brow. You do. How do I do? We can pluck to have a higher brow. Can you teach me how to be more sophisticated when I talk about cinema? Cinema. There you go. Now you're going to throw me away.

It's rubbing off on me. Yes, yes. Okay, we're very excited to have you because you barely do podcasts, you don't do anything. I don't do anything. Outside of just being part of like, you know, huge movie franchises and TV shows, sorry, film. Yeah. When researching you,

there's like three things on the internet. Yeah, right. You have a Marc Maron, you have an address that you gave your college. That was a highlight, yeah. That's awesome. Very cool. That's really awesome. Very cool. That was very cool.

And it was like about 20 years after I graduated, I guess, and the school hasn't lost its beauty, and the kids, they look so young. Yes. We think we're adults at that age, and they just look like children. Yes. So that just means we're all old. But adults at that age and they just look like children. Yes. So that just means we're all old.

But that's good that you think they look like children because sometimes in Hollywood, you're like, they're too young. Look how young they are. You're on the right side of history. I would never think that I'm there appropriately. 21, yeah. Where is your dorm room? Yeah, that was I.

But I do things, I do things, I do this. I do things. This is where? You gotta do things. You gotta sell the cars, but the more you do things though, I drink a lot of coffee, you know, you pour the wine, you start talking your mouth off, especially with friends, and you just get in trouble. This is, yeah. So actors should... Because it's taken out of context,

it's taken and used for somebody else's agenda. Yes. Anything hot button. So we won't talk about anything hot button. If you talk about what you had for breakfast. That's all we're gonna do. I dare anybody to turn it into their own agenda. Yes, I agree.

But they will. They will, they will. Now you did have a good opinion about the Olympic opening ceremony. That's all we're gonna do. I dare anybody to turn it into their own agenda. Yes, I agree. But they will. They will. They will. Now you did have a good opinion about the Olympic opening ceremony with the... Again, hot, hot, hot button. I did not see it, but I heard

Gaga was great and Celine. Oh, I heard it rained. It did rain. But literally I didn't even know the Olympics were happening. Oh, no way. I've been upstate. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, hey. You know what they did to the Olympics? I'm a patriot. Or a globalist. Wait a minute, a globalist?

What does that mean? Part of the Hollywood agenda? What does it mean when you're pro the world? Oh, humans? Humans? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's scary. What about the animals?

I love animals. That seems, yeah. All of them? What about the aliens in the universe? No, not all of them. Yeah. No, there's a few. Yeah, I feel like there's a few. There's just a few.

Yeah. Are we talking about the animals or the humans? The animals. Can we just rank the humans? No. Let's get the movie going. I can't see the point. Badgers are assholes.

Can you swear on this? Of course. You have to. We have a quota. You can, whatever you are. Badgers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can really do whatever you want here.

Really? Yeah, which is... Elliot will do that. Elliot, we're gonna have to keep Elliot lined up. Clothes on. Yes. Dude, Elliot has a piece on him, did you know that? He has what on him?

He's got a real... A tool? He's got a weapon. Oh, okay. Yeah. He showed it to us when we were out in Calgary. When you were casting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When that's when you got the part. I thought I got it on my merits. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He showed it to us when we were out in Calgary. When you were casted. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When that's when you got the part. I thought I got it on my merit. No. He was like, let's compare foreskin. You got the part, then got the part. That's how it goes. That is 100% true. So you have a foreskin?

No, I don't, but he doesn't either. He's a huge Jew. That's not just the domain of the Jews. Wait, there's some other people that have it. Catholics. I don't think Catholics have to do it. We did back in the day. Yeah. Mark is Catholic.

Yeah, I'm Catholic. I was raised very Catholic and I'm still, you know, just wrapped up. It's like my third version of birth control. You know what I mean? You just tie it off at the end. That's real. No condoms, double dots. Condoms, foreskin, abstinence, no pregnancy skits.

Fantastic. Extra, you think? No, no, no. We still don't know how that works. She cleans it up. Wait, you went to Catholic school? That's something I learned in my top two during my research.

All boys Catholic high school. Oh, wow. Very healthy for a guy like me. Wait, why? Because I was a jock. No, no, dude, hold on. That'll set you back a couple years because we're not going through much

when we're going through puberty anyway. So it doesn't matter. And just guys. If you like. Just guys who are really jacked up. Yes. No, I mean, it was a really, my mom gets so mad at me when I just, you know, and because she's like, we, it was private, we paid for it.

It was really a beautiful, lucky place to be. But no, when you're that age, you don't really understand that. You understand like, nobody understands me and I'm gonna start smoking cigarettes and hang out with like the Judd Nelson and the Breakfast Club crowd. Okay, now I'm glad you brought up the Judd Nelson Breakfast Club crowd

because in doing my research, you said this, That you would wear- About Judd Nelson. No, not Judd. First time I've ever brought up Judd Nelson in conversation. But I think Judd inspired that you would wear capes. Judd Hirsch inspired, I think. You're mixing your Judd.

You're too sophisticated for me right now. I don't even know. I don't know Judd. I'm doing a lot of movies. You gotta- Yeah, yeah. Judd Hirsch. Okay, okay. No, don't. Yeah. Yeah.

Disney. Okay. Okay. No, capes. You said you would wear capes. Yeah. Yeah. Black velvet capes.

Okay. A lot of black. Jesus. Yes. A lot of black capes. Yeah. Combat boots. Okay.

Mullets. Okay. Which just was the thing. What's the reasoning? Yeah. What's going on here psychologically? Shit. Shit.

What are you trying to do? See, that's exactly why I wore the capes because of people like you. I'm trying to get underneath me and never understand it. No, I think it's protection. It's a shield, it's hiding. Were you sassy with it? Like, would you ever like?

Did I fart? Yeah. Yeah. Every time I exited the room. Protection it's a shield. It's hiding. Were you sassy with it? Like would you ever like? Did rock a beret yeah, I did the beret yeah the braids were popping I put away my beret. Yeah, I tried to wear it to school once. Yeah. Yeah Raspberry beret made it a thing. I know like a lot of journey kids were wearing berets after that song came out But you also used to wear top hats. Yeah, I had a little top hat. He went through a top hat Yeah, but I was just trying to get laid. Yeah, because top hat will get you laid. Yeah By aerting someone that... Men. With monocles. What you hiding in there? Are you gay?

Are you a top? I'm a top. Men. Octogenarian men to be exact. Those are old guys, okay? I knew that worked. I knew that worked. That's 80s.

Did you? 80s, yeah. We're leveling it up. I'll bring it down. I'll bring the vote. Please! I'll bring it down. I'll bring it down.

I'll bring it down. I'll bring it down. I'll bring it down. I'll bring it down. I'll bring that worked. I knew that worked. That's 80s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 80s, yeah. We're leveling it up. I'll bring it down. I'll bring the film down. Please!

Dinglish! Thank God, dude. I'll say movies, not films. I'll say magazines, not books. Please. Listen, listen. Your life is Game of Thrones. This show is House of Dragons.

You just have to bring it down. Wow! You just have to bring it down. That's a dumb ass show. Life is Game of Thrones this show is house of dragons Always love getting that like you're on Game of Thrones. I've never seen it Yeah, just identifying me. Um, I haven't you know what shit are you the most identifiable human being on the planet? Yes Coffee gets here to use mark Here's Mark God we got out and my family got out of Chelsea when Game of Thrones was really hitting and we had to move out. So we moved to Brooklyn where everybody's just a bit calmer. But I was walking up 10th Avenue towards our old apartment and I was being harassed a little

bit. You know, people mean well, but, and Leonardo DiCaprio walked right by me in a baseball cap and sunglasses, and he just went, give me a little, and I was like, God, they don't even know, because they're not looking for Leo. They just see me, but no big deal. Nine times, 99.9%, 80% of the time,

they mean well, And the other 20% you just, you don't want to give them a lecture. It is a funny thing because in terms of, like you're on the biggest show ever, and in terms of recognizability, they're gonna hit. Like immediately they're locking in it.

Well they're confused why you're there. Like we're on the street or getting a coffee or something. They're just trying to, they're confused while you're there, like we're on the street or getting a coffee or something. They're just trying to, they're, they, again, they mean well, but they're just, they're just, they're just confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't get it.

Also, I think when you watch someone, this is different where film is different from television, is it, like I remember watching The Wire when I was younger, and those people were, that was their real life. They weren't actors to me. Right, well there's, yeah, that show was incredible. But I think the same thing happened with Game of Thrones, it was like, oh, this is the world

that I'm just a voyeur in, and then you see somebody just walking their dog or getting coffee, and it's like, yeah, that doesn't make sense at all. Where aren't you riding a dragon? And you were also so good in that show, and to his point, we spent years getting to know you as It was so long.

as Tyrion. Yeah, that's the thing, it's a familiarity, unlike a movie, it's a familiarity in the living room. Yeah, 90 minutes in and out. I just have to point out, before we met, I thought Tyrion was this ingenious character that you concocted, and then we hung out one night and partied, and I was like, I don't even know if he's acting.

It's like, this guy's fucking getting after it, dude. Like, what happened? I always wanted to read the book and see if like you just made him you. No, it wasn't me. Dave and Dan are writers. Just, they're so good. They're so good. Yeah, I haven't watched House of Dragon

because I feel like what I don't know it just I just spent so many years doing that show. Yeah, it's a little close. I'm watching other things now and maybe one day but I will say it is wild. It's not it's I miss that show but it's like I miss the life of it more because it's nine years. Yeah. It's just such a thing. It's such a big chunk of your life which is rare. I will say the difference is, like, because I'm obviously a huge fan of Game of Thrones, and I've been a fan of House of Dragons,

is I think what some Hollywood execs thought is the reason people like Game of Thrones is the dragons. And I don't think they realized that it was like exquisite writing. Yeah. And it was a- You hear it, it's like exquisite writing. Yeah. And it was a... You hear it, it's like, I love Breaking Bad, because those guys are so good,

but you hear that crispy, like Vince Gilligan writing, you're like, this is how people talk, but it's so elevated. Dense, every sentence has weight. And it's not just like, it's not like you read some scripts and you're like, there's so many scenes where it's just somebody asks a question, somebody answers it and it's just so sort of dead. Meaningless, yeah.

It's just, that's not how people talk. Yeah. It's to get... Wait, what do you mean by that? It's not how people talk. No, no, no. That's supposed to ask, you know, it's not how people talk in life. Yeah.

They talk over each other, they do fits and spurts of poetry and they forget their chain of thought. It's a really... Sometimes, writers know that. It's fucking hard to make it look natural. But that's the thing. It's... Who was I? John Goodman. I heard, I think it was a podcast. There we go. John Goodman talking about that, like the Cohn brothers. You see it's so good and so fresh, you feel like those guys are just improving. But no, it's written every line they're just faithful to. Yeah, and you say Breaking Bad.

You go outside the lines and it's like, it falls apart if it's a really good script. The thread, the sweater will become unthreaded and you'll lose it. But you stick to those lines. I remember watching Game of Thrones, there was certain lines that I remember almost like rap lyrics. The chaos is a ladder.

I drink and I know things. Or a t-shirt. But they become t-shirts, which obviously we're gonna commodify everything this is like America. It's just a guess. They haven't heard, thought of that before. Yeah.

But it's so impactful that, okay, this is it. And that's what I was gonna say, like Breaking Bad, maybe the best show ever. I love it. But there's, I remember I Am the Danger. I remember that one thing. I'm the one who knocks. I'm the one who knocks. Yeah.

It's amazing. Or come on. Game of Thrones, you get a few of those every season. Like a few of those, Chaos of the Ladder, like you said, these things, holy shit, that's gonna stick with me. How about Saul Goodman? Yeah.

I fancy myself a little smart, but I was like, oh God. Why didn't I put that together? Yeah, I didn't even do that. Yeah, that is perfection. The leg tour, the last leg, this is it. Atlantic City, we've added a second show on August 24th. Then we got San Antonio, we added a second show. Then we have Las Vegas, September 13th,

that's the Sphere weekend. We're all going out to Vegas for the Sphere. On Friday, we're coming to the Life Tour in Vegas, and on Saturday, we're going to UFC, the Sphere. Then we got Cleveland and Columbus. Then we have Minneapolis, then we have Milwaukee. Denver, we've added a third show. That's gonna be October 16th through the 17th,

we added a third show. October 18th, Cincinnati, we've added a second show. Rama, Ontario, we're up there. Then Salt Lake City, we've added a second show. Reno, Nevada, we have two shows. San Jose, we've added a second show. Reno, Nevada, we have two shows. San Jose, we've added a second show. Portland, and then Honolulu, Hawaii. And then the Life Tour is over,

so if you want a chance to check out the Life Tour, this is the craziest tour I've ever done. This is the tour that brought all of my dreams. Made all of them come true. Actually, you guys actually made all of them come true, but I think it is by far my best work, and it is the work that I am most proud of. I would love if you guys come and check it out.

These are your opportunities to check it out before it is over. Theandrosouls.com, do not get hit over the head by the scalpers. I will see you guys out there, peace. What's up guys, it's date time. This is important, I'm going to start doing a monthly show at New York Comedy Club.

People in New York don't even realize I live here. They keep asking when I'm gonna come. I'm gonna do about 20, 30 minutes at this show once a month along with some friends. I'm gonna do a big chunk of time in New York Comedy Club. First show is August 14th, New York Comedy Club. Also August 29th and 30th, I'm gonna be in Honolulu, Hawaii. September 6th and 7th, I'm gonna be in Vegas.

September 12th and 13th, I'm gonna be in Doral, Florida. And the 19th and 20th, I'm to be in Vegas. September 12th and 13th I'm going to be in Doral, Florida. And the 19th and 20th I'm going to be in Timonia, Maryland, which I'm pretty sure is outside of Baltimore, but I don't really know. 28th, Greensville, South Carolina. And we are going to have more dates coming at you guys. Go to akashcink.com for those. Also, if you want the best jai in the city,

go to my brother's jai shop that I have also invested in, Fontanious. That's F-O-N-T-A-I-N-H-A-S. in the city, go to my brother's Jai shop that I have also invested in, Fontanious, that's F-O-N-T-A-I-N-H-A-S, go there, check it out, best Jai in the city, or I'll give you your goddamn money back. Let's get back to the show. I won't give you your money back, probably, but I'll think about it. Let's talk.

When the idea of playing the role comes up, is it, do you not even care that it's fantasy? Are you just looking at it? Were you familiar with the books? Genre has nothing to do with it. Sadly though, sometimes genre, I don't know, I mean I was raised in the 80s where it was like before Lord of the Rings you had like just like B-movies, the fantasy was like B-movies, Beastmaster and like, they weren't, because it's so expensive to make it's hard to You know, yeah to make it look good. Yeah, no fault of any filmmaker was struggling to make those things, but you know, then

I guess probably I fell in love with sci-fi because of Star Wars and Blade Runner and the ones that were done really well. Yeah But fantasy was always sort of like really? Yeah I mean, we had Jim Henson, like Dark Crystal, which was really cool when I was a kid, but everybody sort of shied away from it because it was a certain thing and it wasn't elevated enough. And they were worried. HBO was really worried about Game of Thrones. Yeah, they were like, there was a few people really believed in it, and Dave and Dan, especially in their writing. But because of that, I think they were just like, dragons? We do like The Wire and the Mafia. That's so not what, but they took the risk. And with great risk comes great reward. Yes. And every day. And I wish people did it more because then we have,

you know, knockoffs and sequels and it's like, I'm missing that risk. So that you think that's what's happening right now with film? Yeah, oh my God. There's a concern about risk. Yes. But I think being inundated by all these remakes and stuff

that are sort of flopping at the box office, they just are like, but aren't you learning a lesson because of that? No. It's really hard. And I wouldn't begin to know how to run a studio, but I think you've already spent some money developing these scripts.

We're already at the gate. Just un-watch the gate and let us run. If we mess up, we mess up, but we might not and it might be great. But I just don't understand, you know. That reasoning, that reasoning. I was talking to a guy who's in the business and he was saying that the studio model is

there's a guy who works there who might be in love with film like he truly might love it And that's why I ended up getting the job, but his job is put out eight movies a year, right? That's the job quota a quota of movie and whenever you have a quota if you're a cop with a quota Yeah, you're gonna arrest some yeah, you know We should be the like go on the dating game What? Why are you pointing at me? I was pointing at you. I was pointing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You look like a burnout. I was pointing at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should be the, like, go on the dating game. Remember that?

Yeah. Bachelor number one. Yeah, we kind of, we're doing it already on this couch. How long do you spend washing your hair? Five minutes. Yeah, three hours. Three hours. Yeah.

We really should. We should just go out tonight, the three of us. Yeah, let's do it. We'll just see what happens. Yeah. Because we're gonna attract three very different types of people. Um, um.

What? We're, we're, we're, we're married. I don't even know that. Were girls just thrown in at you like crazy? No, when? Come on, when? The Game of Thrones? When you're the most famous.

I'm out of here. Come on, there had to be something. Game of Thrones, even if you're married, whatever, it must present itself to you. No, I thank God. Just the presentation. Thank God, sort of, I already had kids when Thrones was hitting.

A shout out to your wife, incredibly talented, lovely lady. Completing writer, director. But back to the girls throwing it at you. So I, it's a weird, it's a weird thing because when fame comes a little later, you're just like, okay, great, it's happening, but then maybe you sort of know how to navigate it better.

But I'm the personality which probably should have had more fun when I was younger, but those young people who are getting people, like, all right, let's say men who are famous at a young age who are having the opposite sex or the same sex, throwing themselves at them. Well, how would you ever trust that? Yeah, yeah.

Like, how do you trust that? You're not falling for me, you're falling for this idea of I'm not that, you know? So it's very, and I'm sure a lot of young people can speak much more eloquently than I can about it because they're living through it as we speak. But yeah, that would be and I'd see the young people on and on thrones, which is huge. We go to Spain and, you know, there'd be people in the lobby like, hello,

what do you want to do? And it was just like, wow, that must be very. I wonder if you start to. It was like it was like being a heavy metal musician in the 80s. Right. Like Motley Crue. It was like our a heavy metal musician in the 80s. Right. Motley Crue. It was like our version of that and what those guys must have just had the experience. Sorry, if we can backtrack a little bit, you've probably spoken about this, but if you can indulge us, when you get the script for Game of Thrones, when you read Tyrion's character as the first season is being filmed, what are you thinking?

Are you thinking like, this is what I've been waiting for? I've never really gotten a role like this. I'm sure you get a lot of bullshit roles and like stuff that you're like, this is the same fucking thing I always get. Then you get this guy, Tyrion, who's so complex, so smart, so layered. Are you like, I get to flex now? And then are you like, this is going to be it? Yeah. Yeah. First, no. Yes, I get to flex, but I'm sort of maybe cynical about if something feels that good. It's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

Nobody's gonna buy this. In the first season, we didn't have any money, truly. I mean, it's all relative. We had some money. But even at the end, if you visit our base camp, our trailers were the same as they were in the first season. It was really, and I think that's what made the spirit of all of us come together so well, and the crew, we roughed it, man. You really would never know.

Our salaries got higher as it went along, but the conditions were kind of great, like an indie movie almost. I mean, the sets were extraordinary, and the costumes were extraordinary. That didn't feel indie, but the vibe did, and I think that's what really... But to answer your question, no, I was kind of cynical. Like, this is great. Nobody's going to go for it. It's weird. After the first season, did they start expanding

your role? Do you think that they saw something special? I don't know if you start expanding it, but they definitely started... What happens in TV, they start to write for the actor. They gear it to your strengths and challenge your weaknesses. So what did they try to challenge for you? Oh shit, I set myself up. Yeah, he's like weakness on the mark. My ability to act good.

No, I told them, I knew David Benioff a little bit and I got to know Dan, thankfully, who now are two of my close friends. We're also the only Americans on that show. I mean, some of the producers were American, but I was the only American cast member. Memoah was American. He was on for the first season. That was a fun, fun season. So we sort of just got like houses and everybody else would sort of commute back and forth to London. So the three of us

sort of spent a lot of time together, right? Being like sort of missing our families and being, you know, Americans abroad. But they definitely started, you could feel them warming up and making your, you sort of become synonymous. So they start to understand you and how you're going to play this character and then they ride towards that. Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. I mean, they all had, they had the long, the long game in their mind the whole time. The map of the whole thing was exquisite. But yeah, I just wanted to not be a fantasy dwarf. I wanted to be like, not to be crass, but I wanted to have a dick. And that's so like, that's like, you know, when clinically what you are is has become sort of poached by the fantasy world as a term for somebody who's not human. Like a gnome or an ogre or whatever else.

Fairy, pixie, leprechaun, elf, everything. Dwarf. No, no, that one's real. That one's actually a thing. There's no gnomes in the world, but that's a thing. So, but therefore when you do that, you're clipped. You got all kinds of fantastical things. Dragons, unicorns, dwarves.

Yeah. You're just clipped. And I was like, I can't be clipped. I'm clipped. I'm clipped. I'm clipped. I'm clipped. I'm clipped. I'm clipped. you're clipped. Clipping your bones. You've got all kinds of fantastical things. Dragons, unicorns, dwarves. Yeah, you're just clipped.

And I was like, I can't be clipped, guys. I can't be clipped. Akash has a... And they do that with not just people my size. That's what I was saying. They do that with nationality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta be careful.

Who, who, who do they do, who? Oh, throughout the town. Who do they do? No, we're not talking about what we were talking about before, the clipping. Every slave movie has black people in it. We gotta be careful who who who do they do? Slave movie has black people Yeah, there's a I thought it was I thought it was pretty cool as I was looking at all the things that you've done That's disgusting. It's negative stereotypes, dude. It's crazy. Crazy stuff. Oh my God. Crazy stuff. Yeah, there's a, I thought it was pretty cool as I was looking at all the things that you've done.

It, again, I don't know, I don't know when you first started, like maybe getting into it, there's certain things you have to do, but it seemed like you made a choice not to play any of those roles that you would probably get offered. Oh, I got offered. Oh, I get offered. Oh, I can imagine. Yeah, early days, now they know better. So we're not gonna send that to Pete.

Yeah, he'll be upset. No, no, I'll just quick note. Most people that want to be an actor, let me rephrase that, most people that wanna be famous and they wanna be famous through acting, will grab at it, everything. Yeah, it's the difference, and it's the culture we're living in. A lot of kids are asked, what do you wanna be when you grow be famous and they want to be famous through acting. We'll grab at it. Yeah, it's the difference. And it's the culture we're living in.

Our kids are asked, what do you want to be when you grow up? And they say fame. Fame. It's ridiculous. What's the substance of the fame? Yeah. No, it's hard because everybody's, you know, unique coming at it from their unique angle. I can only speak from my angle on what I wanted to do.

And I think it's more to do with the people you surround yourself with, the people you're lucky to find along the way. Like I call it the tribe. Like, you know, you get a, we've become friends with really good writers, really good directors, and you start to do that together because we're nothing without each other Yeah, we can't act in a vacuum. Yeah, it's a collaboration. So that's the sort of hook your wagon to

talent and Hopefully friendships and they're usually the same thing. Do you have people in the dwarf community reaching out and saying, listen bro, in the tree hollow? I didn't say where they lived. I didn't say where they lived, Pete. Hold on, let me call them.

It's really small. That's dwarves. What did you say? That's dwarves for somebody to page me. I'm sure there are I'm just not on those group chats. I'm not on any social media. You know that your fake Instagram account has four and a half million followers? No way. Yes.

I met that person once at a press conference in Barcelona, maybe. You believe them when they said that they ran it? No, it was. And he's a really young guy. And I went, oh, I didn't know how to process it because he was like, isn't that great? I'm that guy. I'm really trying to, he was like,

it was like he was being altruistic, like helping me or something. And I went, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to not do it. You can do what you wanna do, just be kind and don't put pictures of my kids. And I just went right for that. Yeah.

I admonished him for that. And he was so kind of, it was hard to argue with him because he was really sweet. Yeah. You know, young and he, and he never did since. I checked a couple of times just to make sure he wasn't. And he didn't. Yeah. He can't do that, man.

Yeah. Leave the kids out of it. That's, that's off limits. Yeah. Yeah. The kids. There's a couple of things that are off limits and Yeah. Yeah, the kids... There's a couple things that are off limits and everybody instinctually should know those things as humans.

Yeah, but the desire for attention makes you often look the other way. Yeah. That's a new way. Yeah, I know. At what age did you... Yeah. But it's strange when people set those up. It's more attention for me than them.

So is it... I don't... What's the reasoning? They couch it, it's more tension for me than them. So is it what I don't? Yeah, I think they- What's the reasoning? They couch it in the outro. They get to see the numbers go up. They still get the gamified dopamine hit from the platform. Right, right, right. So anything more shocking get more, I guess.

Yeah, especially if they don't have kids if they're young, then they're just like, oh yeah, it's just content. My cousin posts their kids, why can't this work for a famous actor? Yeah, and we're also living in a culture where people are posing on magazine covers with their newborn babies. yeah okay i actually worry about that like i have i just had a daughter i know it's fucking awesome gang gun the coolest thing ever but like you do not know that bro yeah yeah yeah yeah oh god the best yeah it's the fucking coolest thing ever i thought you guys are good friends are you not gonna keep up with this guy at all i i mainly

ask him the questions so i know a lot about what's going on. You've got to follow his fake account. That's where you get it. Yeah, I'm going to send you the fake account. It's great. And it's really cool. I wore capes too, but you never fucking asked me. No, but it's one of those things where it's like, it's the coolest thing I've ever created

in my entire life, my wife and I. She did most of the creating. Oh, sure. And, but it's- They got complex. But don't they have it? Yeah. It's like just making life. I know, got it.

But at the same time, I feel like, okay, right now, she could look like any baby, but once she starts to look like just her, I'm like, okay, I don't think she can ever be on social media, at least not mine. I don't want anybody to be able to recognize her. But it's also this her, I'm like, okay, I don't think she can ever be on social media, at least not mine. I don't want anybody to be able to recognize her. But it's also this thing that I'm so proud of. Become their own person too, and they're not doing this anymore.

They're eye rolling at you. Okay, so I'm a little bit terrified of that too. Are you at the point where the kids are going, hey, I need my own time, dad. You're bothering me, dad. I need that own time, Dad. Like, you're bothering his dad. I need it for them. I have to go film a movie again. The greatest thing is they do, they're their own person. Yeah. And your parent will tell you the same thing.

It's like, it's then, it's not overnight, it's gradual, and they're always their own person, and you just, yeah. How old are you? You can't take the credit anymore. The credit sort of fades away, and then, yeah, it's cool. Yeah, how old are you don't see you can't take the credit anymore. Yeah, the credit sort of fades away and then and then Yeah, cool. Yeah, how old are you? How old are you? 12 and 6 12 and 6. Oh you 12 is like a real human Yeah, yeah, no, she sure is ideas opinions. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah telling you how the world is Yeah, yeah, what is something she told you? What is it? Oh, it's great

What is something she told you? Oh, it's great. Shakespeare's overrated. No, it's just great to just be, just have enlightening conversations with your kid. But what was she saying? Oh, God, I mean, you know, Taylor Swift, I can tell you anything about Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift is, let's talk about culturally Taylor Swift. Because I'm in it. I'm in it deep, and anybody with kids not in, what?

That doesn't sound right. Anybody who loves, Ah! Talk about that thing! Anybody with a tween can tell you the same thing. Taylor Swift is just, is huge. I mean, she's everywhere. Get out of here.

But I think, and I'm like, I think she's fantastic. But I also go, but what about Nirvana? What about the Beatles? What about this? What about that? But it's like Taylor all the way. And my son loves Nirvana. And I'm like, thank God.

And we blast Nirvana in the car when we're together. But when you're not around? That's easy. Taylor Swift. Yeah, but it's, and I think it's like, oh my God, it's what people were like with like, the Beatles, what the old parents were like, what's that? Yeah, yeah.

What is that stuff? It's all the time, we're hearing the Beatles, but she's really something. How about politically, have you guys had any, cause she's- I had no point, I just wanted to bring up Taylor Swift. You want tickets to the show. Did you go see her? Have you taken her?

No. I saw her with Rodrigo though, which was fantastic. She's awesome. Yeah, she's really good. They're so good. And they've sort of broken through to what pop music can be a little bit bubblegum, and they've put some real genius behind it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, you're not super, super. I'm starting to sweat because I bring up like cultural icons and I'm saying the right thing.

I love their music. I really do. And I listen to it all the time. You got to love it. Whose music sucks? Over and over again. We just want to know whose's music sucks, Pete. Not Nirvana, obviously.

Who is long gone? What about the Wizzy? That caveman who was hitting the Rockies? He really did, dude. But no, but there was like a very famous ska band that was popping up in Jersey back in the day. Yeah, there was. They're hugely famous.

Yeah, hugely famous. The Wizzy? The Wizzy. You can't help them there was. They're hugely famous. The Whizzy? The Whizzy. You can not help them at all. Very familiar. I like their earlier stuff. Yeah, their earlier stuff was good. They kind of fell off for me a little. Yeah, what was it? What do you think happened? I don't know. I heard you go, I heard just, just they went through different ways. I heard it was drugs and capes. It's a lot of... I think it was a huge addiction. Is this the least known fact about you

that you were one of the lead singers of a ska band? We were rap, we were like trying to be the Beastie Boys, rap, ska, everything. But you were playing? Trumpet. Come on, dude. Which was, at one gig, because we were so drunk, somebody sat on it. I don't know how you can sit on a trumpet and completely bend the bell.

I still played it. I had one gig where I just got kicked in the heads. I still have a scar here. Blood was everywhere. But Jesus. Wow. By a band mate? Yeah, accidentally, of course.

But the thing about bands back then is they don't last long because you don't have roadies. And somebody always, there was, like our drummer Jim had a truck. So if you have a truck, we got to load the equipment in your truck, Jim. And then you start to, people get a little bit like, Jim maybe wants to hang out afterward and not load up the truck. And there's the one girl that came to the show. And you all share. No, no, no, no, it was the 90s. Yeah, no, you don't want to. So you just sort of start to really get at each other.

And then the band's mission statement isn't fulfilled. Some of us want to be actors. Some of us want to be not in Wizzy for a long time. And just the nature of it. And just, you know, separate ways. Did you ever think about getting the band back together? Well, surprise. Come on!

Yeah, I've lost touch with those guys, except for Jim, the drummer. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. They're a great, great, great bunch of people. We just were young. Yeah. And not musicians. That's a huge... No, that's not true. A couple of them were real good musicians. I wasn't. Would you write the songs? Co-write the lyrics, yeah. Oh, yeah. And did you release any?

I feel so old right now. Oh, yeah, I wrote those whizzy lyrics. We didn't release them. How is this the time of cassettes? There's a demo on YouTube right now. Your demos are on YouTube. Oh cool. Nice. Nice. That was fun. It was fun.

We just got free drinks and there's a couple years of my life. Wow. Were you living in Williamsburg at the time doing that? I was. I was living in Williamsburg. Dude, you lived in Williamsburg at the time that it was the most dangerous city in America almost. I did.

A lot of us in the 90s, you graduate school, you move down to Manhattan, you don't even think of Brooklyn. I lived on Ludlow Street. Oh, very side, yeah. The smallest apartment. And then you move to Williamsburg because you couldn't afford Manhattan. Lower East. And as soon as you get a little scratch, you move back into Manhattan and then you get

a little fame and you get the fuck out of Manhattan and you move back to Brooklyn. Like we live in downtown Brooklyn now. Because there's really good schools and people sort of genuinely leave you alone a little bit more. Williamsburg was crazy in the 90s or what? It was just affordable and a little empty. I think New York I've never been... It was all the... all the... all the... Globals. The Globals, yeah. The Curleys were there. The Globals were there.

Wow. Sure. Y'all Von Ziegler can talk about that. Calm down! You can talk about it, Star! I get to talking about the dwarves, you can talk about the dwarves. Our domain is this and this. Don't get me riled up again. Yes, no, it's just because we couldn't have, it was cheap. It was cheap. They say they aren't, no. I'm not gonna, we're not, Elliot's here.

Elliot is here. That is hateful. I know. Wow, very, very. Elliot's a very religious guy. Yes. Elliot's here! Elliot is here! That is him. I know. Wow, dude. Very, very... Elliot's a very religious guy. ...bit, yes. Elliot's... Elliot is a very...

Your fearless director is a very religious guy. I know. He kept Shabbat when we were at the... Yeah, I know. ...at the film. Yeah. Yeah, we were eating Chinese food. I still don't know what Shabbat is.

Yeah, what is Shabbat? What is Shabbat? Elliot, what is Shabbat? Shabbat is actually... Talk into the mic, please. Shabbat is actually the most important festival inat is actually... Talk into the mic, please. Shabbat is actually the most important festival in Judaism. Can you talk into the mic, please?

Why don't you help your brother? This distance is fine. That works, okay. Yeah, we're like segregated over here. It's called a ghetto. I mean, I'm not laughing. All right, guys, let's take a break for a second. Let me solve a huge problem, hangovers.

Are you ready? Yes. Here it is. Pay attention. It's done. At my age, even a night of responsible drinking after shows can absolutely destroy, ruin the next day. You have like a few drinks, you're like, there's no way I'm going to feel this tomorrow, no

way I'm going to be hungover. Yes, you are hungover. This is God's way of letting you know you've had your fun. Okay, it's not time for fun. It's time for parenting. My point is there is a solution. Zbiotics has figured it out. Zbiotics is the world's first genetically engineered pre-alcohol probiotic. When you drink alcohol, it gets converted into toxic byproduct in the gut. It's this toxic byproduct, not dehydration, that's to blame for your rough next day. So Z-Biotics is a probiotic drink that produces an enzyme to break down this byproduct so

you don't feel that hangover. This is genius. So just remember to make Z-Biotics your first drink of the night. Have it in there already breaking down that alcohol. Drink responsibly and you'll feel your best tomorrow. Telling you you have vacations, you have weddings, you have birthdays, you have reunions, you just want to go out on a Tuesday

and you want to get after it knowing you've got something to do on a Wednesday. Zbiotics has your back. You go to zbiotics.com slash flagrant. You're gonna get 15% off your first order when you use flagrant at checkout. Zbiotics is back with 100% money back guarantee. So if you're unsatisfied for any reason, they will refund your money no questions asked. So remember,

head to zbiotics.com slash flagrant and use the code flagrant at checkout for 15% off. Thank you Zbiotics for sponsoring this episode and our good times. Now let's get back to the show. All right guys, let's take a break for a second because we got to talk about Zimbiatica. Listen, there's a lot of supplement companies. This is not just a supplement company. How many supplement companies do you know that sell Shilajit? You don't know any, okay, unless you live in India or Singapore. What I'm telling you is they're going the extra mile. First of all, Shilajit is a substance found in rocks in the Himalayas.

It can improve memory, learning abilities, help the brain cope with stress, help joint health and improve muscle strength and vitality. The risk is that if you buy the wrong brand, your Shilajit may be tainted with free radicals, mycotoxins and a bunch of other things that are not good for you. But with Zimbayonica, you know you're getting high quality shit. Each jar is manufactured under strict quality control, ensuring consistently pure and safe resin and that is what you want. Now Shub and his father have been taking this forever. He put us onto this. It is actually pretty amazing, I'm not going to lie. A little

creepy looking when you first look at it, like something you find on the moon, but it is a vibe. I want to show people what it looks like look at that It's like venom from you know the spider-man movies, but it is a vibe and it has been incredibly helpful And yeah, so I would recommend dabbing into the Sheila G. My point is whatever your health issues are It's worth heading to symbiotica.com that is C Y M B I O T-K-A dot com and seeing what they can do for you. Plus use the code flagrant at checkout, you're going to get 20% off their purchase and free shipping.

Again, that is C-Y-M-B-I-O-T-I-K-A dot com, promo code flagrant for 20% off your order plus free shipping. Also, they have these like delicious, incredibly convenient vitamin suck downs. We're going to call vitamin suck downs. We're gonna call them suck downs. And they just gotta figure it out. I would check them out right now. Check out Symbiotica. I'm sure they'll have something that you can indulge in

and you get that discount. Now let's get back to the show. Why did you end up going with Elliot to make the Fickett? Why did you, what? Why did you? Why can't you? Can you stop? You're doing it again. You're doing it again. Why did you what why did you why can you stop?

Again I What you want the origin stories I like origin stories just to let everybody know Dinklage and Elliot have made this beautiful film the thicket that they were generous enough to put me in and I got this haircut That the internet loved for about a year. Yeah. They really were complimentary about it. They said super kind things and it was really awesome. Yeah. Yeah. You're really great in the film, man. You're very kind to. He plays a pimp, kind of. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Yeah. Can't you? I mean, look at that. Yeah. Yeah. Kelly said you were great, too. Off camera, so it's real. No way. Yeah. Okay. And it's drama. Wait a second. We have to talk about how hard you worked. I did work hard. How hard did I work?

I actually have to say... No, I did work. Wait, but how? Did you have to work? Is acting work? No. I was amazed. You really dived in. It was like some real fucking Olivia. Oh, thanks. No, you, you. That was great.

I wanted to maybe save this, but you, what I found remarkable was you really took it seriously. You took the work seriously. Yeah, it was cool. Five fucking days. We were on the phone and you were like committed and you did it. And I remember you, I think you were sitting here. You did like 15, 20 takes. You didn't. It's hard. Acting's hard. I'm not you did it. And I remember, I think you were sitting here, you did like 15, 20 takes, you didn't. It's hard, acting's hard, I'm not good at it. And I was like, I don't wanna, you know, not true.

No, actually, I mean, it is. It's hard. You are not good at it. But you're good at it. No, you're really good at it. No, I hate. Because there's a thing about comedy. Comedy is drama twice. So in order for you to get where you needed to get to,

it was almost a very natural thing. The thing that was fascinating about watching you work was your movement. Is this too serious? No, no, I love this. You've got to understand how you- That felt more natural because I did get to hit a woman. Were you method for that one? No, I did.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry, babe. I'm your character. I didn't know this was a fantasy movie. What's going on? No, no, no. Go on, go on, Elliot. Why did you add that scene?

That wasn't there. And then on the day, were you going through something at home? I knew you'd connect. I thought I'm... No, I was really, I wasn't surprised. Okay. But what I found was interesting with you was, you know, you were doing stunts. I did fight sequences.

You know, that's not. Yeah, it was, yeah, the fight stuff was really cool. Fight stuff was really cool. Here's the thing. He never tells us anything. Here's the other thing that he got lucky with. And they have to come together quick on that. Look out, look out, look out.

Look at his gaze being right now, picking out his hands. You know how lucky he got? He's the only actor he got lucky with. And they have to come together quick on that. Look how gay he's being right now, picking out his hands. Look how lucky he got. He's the only actor that got a scene inside. He literally had 90% of his scenes inside. And we're out there, it's minus 35 degrees, which was unbelievable. Oh yeah. But your movie, you took direction really well.

You didn't argue, you riffed, which was, you know. No, you guys were cool. It was awesome. I thought it was really fun. And I thought it looked beautiful. Obviously, you know, you sent me the film and just like, it looks so amazing. And you know, it's pretty. I'm very proud of it.

We worked really hard on it. The guy who wrote the book that this is based on. Yeah. I was very excited about it. Joe Lansdale, yeah. Joe Lansdale. He's been helping us out with the promotion. I see. I mean, he's hyped. That's always great. Because adaptations of books are a very hard thing to do. They have to be separate entities.

And if you're too faithful to it, what's the point? So we sort of took some liberties. Yeah. We had a great writer, Chris, and he just sort of changed some things around. And you know, you got, you you have to or otherwise just read the book right you're going to be that faithful actually that's an interesting take i have most people are like oh this wasn't authentic to the book but that is a good point if you want exactly the book read the book well i would argue that people want to see the book come to life yeah sure picture in your head get it distilled get that essence of it, the spirit of it, but then take liberties, I think. They did that with Thrones, I mean, those things were,

you know, those books. Yeah, yeah. And Harry Potter. Yeah, Harry Potter, I would have to books more. You have to pick and choose. As a true fan. Yeah, those are really faithful. I read those to my kids now.

They left a lot out, just, you need it too for time. Right, right, right, but I feel like they definitely cast exactly what you think. Which is, I mean, I'm all for movie making, obviously, but sometimes it's a shame because the imagination of who you think, you just think of those actors now. And now with the Game of Thrones, you think of the actors. So it's hard to read a book after you see the movie. But no, the big thing was in the book, and one of our other producers years ago had the inspired idea to make the villain a woman, because in the book it's a man, a cutthroat bill,

and we changed it to a woman. I think that opened it up so much. Let's see if she's making it more realistic. But you made her ugly Well, it's hard with Juliette Lewis, but it was really you mean that seriously I just want to point out because they were gonna think you're being sarcastic. She's beautiful. I know we're being genuine Yeah, but even now that you're looking at me like this now that you're looking at me like this. No.

But you made a thing. Why did you make a thing? I didn't make a thing. I didn't think you were being real there. Like, oh God, love that. Did I do that? Yeah. I started that?

You're a dick. Yeah. You knew that. Yeah. No, I think it's just, because otherwise, it's like, all scene. Out. Out.

Out. He's gonna turn it into a bad, fl away. Oh, you ought to hit the cape. Oh, I still don't have a cape. I still do that without the cape. Get him a cape. We made the character, the villain, into a woman played by the brilliant and beautiful Julia Lewis, and I think that sort of was inspired. And Chris, our guy who wrote the screenplay ran

with that and it made it so much better than like uh the outlaw gang it was really guy heavy our film as we all can attest to and you don't want the women in the westerns just to be victims which they are so much we're inundated by that we're the long-suffering wife, and it's not just the domain of Western. So it made it really richer because it's not, when is this guy going to try and f*** this young woman? It's sort of like she came at it with like a real maternal instinct, like sick and like protective, and it was really, right? It got so much deeper level.

Yeah, she was almost like a parasite to their youth. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Otherwise it's just sort of, I don't know. But I like that you guys are showcasing stories where women are bad. Yeah, I think that's what's fun about this. That's my point.

Exactly, like men are the heroes and they save the day for these awful women. And I think those's what's fun about it. That's my point. Exactly. Like men are the heroes and they save the day for these awful women. And I think those stories are really important to get out there right now. You know what I mean? Elliot, you misogynist. I mean, that was always going to be the real intention of the film. I like how you snuck that in there. Is it that subtle?

I haven't done my job, have I? No, no, no. Elliot is obviously a champion of women. He directed rap videos for years. Why don't you tell us some stuff? Wow, it's all making sense now. You see this? Girls, girls, girls as well.

I think people think I'm being sarcastic, but all the music videos that we watched growing up, Elliot directed. Just give us the bangers. Oh, Method Man and Red Man, Rockwad, I did Shine. Wait, which one? Shine. Skibbidi-bobbidi-bibbidi-bo. Shine. No.

That's Gangster. That's Gangster. That's Gangster. That's Gangster. So there's this guy, Shine Barrow. How did Shine slip my... No, no, you know this. What year are we talking? 2018? I'm gonna tell you the story, it all makes sense. Now, Shine is this rapper that's coming out.

He's a Bolivian guy that's coming out. He was there at the nightclub when Sean P. Diddy Combs allegedly shot an adversary in a nightclub while he was dating J. Lo in New York City. Shine ends up taking the blame, probably done by the lawyers of Sean P. Diddy Combs, gets extradited, I believe, to Belize. Oh, he's not Belivian, he's Belisian. So basically Sean's like Pete Diddy's team of lawyers puts the whole thing on Sean.

And I love Sean dude, I thought he was gonna be that guy. When it was really Diddy that actually did it. And now we know Diddy is like a horrible human being that you fraternize with. We were there, I was in that club that week. So what happened was we were scouting a video for a rapper called Black Rob. Yeah, of course. You did whoa? We did whoa.

Get the fuck out of here. It was really sad because he- These are iconic moments. So do you really think when they're here- You really should have had one in the thicket, like a rap or something. Just something like, I guess you were the closest to the character in terms of like the rap or something. Just something like, I guess you were the closest to your character

in terms of like the rap videos. Because he's a pimp. Is that what you're trying to say? Making that generalization. Jesus Christ. We were in the club that week and I remember we had to, we went and met JLo and Diddy together and he wasn't very nice to her. Wait, wait, Diddy wasn't nice to JLo? I will, there was a guy called- Can I understand this, you're saying Diddy was mistreating the woman he was with? We were shocked. I can't believe this. I know, it's devastating.

What was he doing though? Well, we did this big punk- So anyway, we really had a hard time like calculating the script Of the thickest because we can go out of it. Give us the ditty drama. Cheers. Cheers. We did a there was a rapper called Big Pun who yes, yeah, of course obviously anyway, so he died And he we did a tribute video and the tribute video we shot in the Bronx and then we shot in Los Angeles and everybody was in it, like Noriega, Buster Rhymes, Missy Elliott, we're all in this house in Bel Air and Diddy walks in with J.Lo.

And, actually hi, whatever, he's always very sweet to begin with. And then he goes to the top of the stairs and I'm just watching this argument take place and I hear out of the corner of my ear, don't you fucking embarrass me you c***. And I look up, I'm like what? And she literally goes, why? And Liz like sort of looks down at the floor and he's staring at her and she goes, okay, but can we have meatloaf from Kate Mantanilis afterwards? And that was, so that, that's what it takes. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. But he was heavy. He was heavy. I mean, I did, when we did, whoa, you know, I had, you know, what would happen is everybody would come out from the block. They'd be like three, 400 guys like screaming. And it was very hard, you know, I had you know, what would happen is everybody would come out from the block They'd be like three four hundred guys like screaming and it was very hard, you know, not that they were out of control But it's three or four hundred people up in Spanish Harlem. Yeah, and he didn't have they'd ask me Absolutely fucking terrified Jewish boy from London you see three to four hundred black and Puerto Ricans. What is your knee-jerk reaction? You got invited to the block What do you do in that moment? He asked me for a monitor and a milkshake,

and then I couldn't get... What'd he say? Where's my monitor? Where's my milkshake? And I'm like... And I'm standing there. All the apps, where's my mother? I'm standing there and I'm looking at him,

it's like two a.m. in the morning, and then I'm like, I'm standing there and I'm looking at him. It's like 2 a.m. in the morning. And then I'm like, I'm so sorry. So I step off and he had a guy who worked with him. I'm not sure if I can say his name, but he would cut, the guy came up and he just said, we don't like how you sound. And I'm just like, what do you mean? He goes, you're a long way from home.

And I was like, well, what do you mean by that? He was just like like you better be careful and you know I made sure I always carried a milkshake with me every video I did except with Jay Z I never had to carry milkshake with me. What was the video you did with Jay? I did Girls Girls Girls. How was Jay? I truly couldn't believe how professional he was and gracious and he had it down.

At the time, it was the day before 9-11. We shot that video the day before 9-11. Wow. But what were you doing on fucking 9-11? I mean, he wasn't in the Dowers. Isn't that interesting? He got the memo. No, he said...

He goes, what was 9-11? He was great. He made a speech afterwards. No, he said, wait, what did he say? He goes, what was 9-11? He's going to... He was great, he made a speech afterwards. I said to him the day after, I said... On 9-10, he was like, something crazy is about to happen. Whoa, the blueprint coming out. 9-12, 9-12. Got some things in the air.

Yeah, literally. We can't do this. Yeah, too far. He made a speech. He made a speech. What did he say? I said, listen, you're in Mr. Fucking New York. You've got to talk.

And he got up and he said, you know, this is a tragedy and it's a terrible thing. It was kind of, I was really surprised that he did it, but he felt he needed to do it. And then we started talking about British gangster movies. And then I said, he goes, well, what's that? What are you doing next? I'm going off to Hawaii. He goes, why are you going to Hawaii? I said, I'm going to dive with sharks.

He goes, man, that's dangerous. And I'm like, wait a second, you just did a fucking double album with R. Kelly. Don't talk to me about that. That's fucking dangerous. Elliot, how do you become, how does a Jewish guy from London become the go-to director for the iconic music videos of our childhood. I really don't, I actually don't know how it happened.

Was there one that was so amazing that everybody else started calling? I worked with Santi Gold. I think it was because I worked with Santi Gold. And she was very, very cool and everybody was like, oh you're watching this. So she was the tastemaker. Santi Gold is the tastemaker. And then Jessica Simpson. Wait, what did you do with Jessica Simpson?

I did her biggest video. Which was? I did a song called With You. And as soon as Method Man and Red Man saw the Jessica Simpson video, that's our guy. And this is when music videos were... That's when they meant something. They were movies. Yeah.

And there was an MTV that showed videos. Yeah. How do you, how were Meth and Red? So I did this video called Derot Walder. Classic song. So how were they? They were fantastic but we were shooting up on this big sort of sort of runway. It was about 50 feet up and I said and we there was no safety for them and we had this big sort of styro it was about 50 feet up and I said, and there was no safety for them and we had this big sort of styrofoam egg and they were getting, they were drinking and having a good time and I said to Redman, I said, listen, do me a favour, just slow down, just for a half an hour, stop, just slow down on the booze. So they get up there, roll camera, action, literally comes out, chugs a bottle of Henny,

and you see the beginning of the video, throws a bottle of Henny, and yeah, that was a highlight of the night. And then we had, in the video they jump on a car and there's pyrotechnics that go everywhere. Wherever you go. Well, you got it right here. Oh wow, oh!

So, oh, this little thing drops off 50 feet on each side? There's no safety. Oh wow. Oh, so this little thing drops off 50 feet on each side? There's no safety. Oh wow. Method Man was so cool though. Yeah, both of them were the fucking shit. Just like the swag. Just go, if you can, go to the, there's a bit where they jump on a car. I mean, this is crazy. So I knock on the door and I say, listen, we've got to do pyrotechs. You know, you've got to talk to the actor or the performer like, we're about, there you go, it's about here. So I said to them, just slow down.

And then Reg says, I'm a mushroom. And I said, I'm going to put you on a car and you're tripping your tits off. And you'll see the expression on his face. He literally doesn't know where he is. When he's on the car. Yeah, when he is. When he's on the car. Yeah, when he's on the car. But what a great environment to be true.

I mean, my son came, he was happy. Explosions going off. Oh, this is crazy. Off the tits. But they were great. Okay. Maybe the pirate doesn't work. That's so much fun.

I didn't even know black dudes were doing mushrooms back in the day. They really were ahead of their time. Yeah, progressive. Because black psychedelics, I don't think, hit until like kind of recently. Yeah. I mean, Jimi Hendrix, yeah. But then you didn't hop on the wave. White people really like...

Jimi, you guys kind of clicked. How the hell did we get Jimi? I don't know. Played the one national anthem where like, that's a Patriot. And then black people are like, fuck that. You know what the hell did we get Jimmy I don't know play the one national anthem where and then like fuck that yeah electric guitar oh yeah that wasn't black people weren't doing electric guitar woodstock he was yeah Henry P. White at Woodstock yeah Jimmy a lot of white people at Woodstock yeah is that true yeah that's where they're making them for a while there were mostly white people at Woodstock? Yeah. What the fuck is

going on? Yeah. Where were you guys? I mean, DMX came. We almost took it up. We're talking about 69. The other, yeah. You're talking about the OG Woodstock. 69, you guys were like fighting for rights or something like that? Yeah. What were you guys doing? We were just chilling. Did you say DMX? Yeah. DMX would go missing. Wait, did you have a DMX story? I'm a DMX fan. We did. So on Girls Girls Girls, DMX had gone missing for three weeks and he popped up on our set and we had to stop shooting because the person from the record label, I said, listen, come on, I want to keep shooting.

She's just like, no, they haven't seen each other for a long time. It was like he was a till of the hunt or something like that, meeting like his lost, lost son or something like that. But yeah, he came in, disappeared, grabbed Naomi Campbell. And that was it. Wait, he was... That's fire. Are you saying DMX was having a amorous relationship with Naomi Campbell?

I can say that they were both there at the same time and then they weren't. That's all I can say. Could have gotten away with anything on set of the thing. Yeah, no cameras. What were we thinking, dude? We were so well behaved. We really were. I mean, we were just such, we were really just kind gentlemen. We were just cold. It was cold, Elliot. I'm sorry. Why didn't we shoot it in LA? I mean, it was an interesting choice because the book is East Texas. Why didn't you gear it back to the thicket?

I was just making a joke. I would like to talk about this. We can talk about your scenes. I have to pee. Excuse me. Yes, the pee. I would like to talk about it because when I'm reading this book, it's East Texas? Yeah.

East Texas. That's where it comes from. Yeah. Okay. And then where we filmed it is Calgary in February. That is the coldest part of Canada. It's stunning. Beautiful.

Stunningly beautiful. Very cold. Very cold. We were going to shoot it right before the pandemic in Spain, in like the more desert-y locations of Spain. I mean, that would have been lovely. Yeah, but... It would have been so lovely. We could have a nice, what is a good Spanish wine reference?

Rioja. Rioja. We could have a Rioja. Siesta. Ah, siesta. A prostituta. Beautiful prostituta. What does that mean? I think it is a protest. I think we could protest for something. Different type of drink. I think it's a different type of drink. Cold. I think we could protest for something. Different type of green. But I'm still glad you went cold. Because you know what it is with cold movies? No whores.

It's really, you gotta get cozy with you. My trailer is warmer than yours. Come on over. Is that the move? I totally didn't know that. You gotta heat her up. Snow looks so pretty. You can make a mediocre movie you set it in

snow and it's gorgeous stunning it really is every movie like this movie is beautiful because snow I don't know what it is what it does it's just unique for us the second you see it you want to go outside yeah blood looks really good on snow yeah horses and horses they show the Revenant. Same exact place. Right by the parking lot. I remember watching, I'm not going to sit there anyway, so I remember seeing, he was talking about how hard it was to find the locations and it was like, it was brutal and they went all over the world and they found it. Anyway, so the location come to find them

and we said, we go and they go, this is where they shot the Revenant. And I was like, this is incredible. And I was like, I was like, this is incredible And I was I was imagining was it really that difficult and there was a parking lot Literally five feet away and I just imagining how difficult that day must have been like we found our location The most beautiful occasion super black. Yeah, so parking Leo getting just thrashed by it there Yeah, next to a parking rashing. What did you think it was? There was a lot of conversation getting fucked by the bird. Okay, so there was a parking lot. Was that thrashing? What did you think it was? There was a lot of conversation.

I thought he was getting fucked by the bear. Okay, so there was a lot of conversation about that. That's not how you have. Have, have. Dragging around. I mean. Just. You're getting me riled up.

You keep on getting me riled up. No, he's a popcorner. We've talked about it. Yeah, I'm on my back. Exclusive. A up. He's a popcorner. We've talked about it. Yeah, I'm on my back. A popcorn? Yeah, a popcorner. What is that? You don't know a little popcorn?

No, I'm on my back. I'm not going to show you, but I'll show. Popcorn. Like you burst into it. No, I don't burp, but I hit a little pop pop. Like I'm on my back, but I just, you know, little pop, little chicken pop. Every once in a while I let her know I'm still here. Little oral Redenbacher.

Exactly. Just because once she forgets, if she thinks that this is just her world, then I just remind her, no, smile. Why, is that your game? Are you a back? Are you a popcorner? You gotta get on the back.

I don't know the terms. Are you more revenant? Mission you a popcorn or you gotta go? I don't know the terms. Are you more revenue missionary? In the Cape style 86 move bring in the Cape into the bedroom is fired Never that is no that is just the death of anything attractive or sexual. Yeah, but just as like a finishing move. What about a top hat? That's crazy.

Top hat is great. It's something to just rest your elbow on. It's your board. You've done this before. This has happened a lot. You can put it over the girl's head depending who she is. You know what I mean? I'm just saying. Never Mark. Wow. You've done this before. This has happened a lot. You can put it over the girl's head, depending who she is. You know what I mean? I'm just saying.

Never Mark. Wow. Mark, Mark. How is that too far? I get it, you come in here. You guys get to get away with this stuff. I'm your guest. It's disgusting.

It's all gonna be back at it. It's disgusting. Here's his camouflage shirts. What? What is he looking at on there? You don't wanna know. This moves, crazy moves. By the way, these were big in the 80s, the

jean shorts. Oh yeah, they're coming back. Did you wear jean shorts? No, because I had respect for them. They don't make them in black, that's the problem. If they were velvet, Peter would be like, all right, we'll look into it. All right guys, let's take a break for a second. Listen, you know summer, summer, unfortunately summer is coming to an end. You know what that means? That means absolutely nothing when it comes to this advertisement because it's all about hard dick veins out.

The veins are out. Bluetooth is bringing the veins out. You're gonna look stressed. You're gonna look like you're chewing hard, okay? Your dicks should look like a pit bull. And Bluetooth is gonna make that happen. Same active ingredient that's inside Viagra or Cialis, but this is the chewiest one that we rock with, okay?

This is the one that the backs get sticky with. There's, there's, and you get your first month free. All you gotta do is go to Bluetooth.com, use the promo code FLAGRANCE and you gotta pay the $5 shipping. $5 shipping, what a bargain for the best dick you've ever delivered in your life. Let's get back to the show. Alright guys, let's take a break for a second. Listen, winning the gold medal at the 800 meter freestyle is very very difficult okay there's Irishmen out

there okay you know it's easy hiring Morgan & Morgan is easy. Morgan & Morgan is America's largest injury law firm they have over 100 offices nationwide and more than 1,000 lawyers with over 20 billion dollars recovered for over 500,000 clients Morgan & Morgan has a proven track record of fighting to get you full and fair compensation I'm telling you getting injured because of someone else's negligence is hard to go through But luckily submitting an injury claim with Morgan & Morgan is easy. It's like using an app I know it sounds daunting. It is not daunting at all. You can go submit it Okay

So if you're injured, you can check out Morgan & Morgan. Their fee is free unless they win. For more information, go to forthepeople.com slash flagrant or dial pound law, that is pound five two nine from your cell phone. That is forthepeople.com slash flagrant or pound law, pound five two nine from your cell. This is a paid advertisement. Let's get back to the show. Yes, Pete. What are you going to tell us? We have to give respect to Calgary, I think. Oh, because we're talking about that's the first finding this location and I think we found it. We found a great place. What just happened right there? I was boring myself. Oh, did you? Did you?

Okay. Ellie, were you happy with Calgary? I really liked Calgary. I thought the people were amazing. Chad. Yeah, Chad was wonderful. You know what it is about going to a place like Calgary? They're so...

Stop it. No, no. If you shouldn't LA or New York, there's so much to do. What the people we... That doesn't make it hard. I just love it. He can't even be in promo mode. It's just so beautiful.

He's like, I think we should give credit to what's the safest thing. Yeah. Calgary. He's a great actor, but no one is that good. He played the most iconic character in TV history. Hey, can you promote this film? Calgary's cold!

That's why I don't really do these things. There was one benefit though, because Johnny on the crew was a hunter. Yes, so we would have like elk. I don't eat meat though. What? No, literally. It was so cool. Because you work in New York and it's like, what did you do this weekend?

I went to a bar, I hooked up with somebody on tenure or whatever. I don't know what kind of, is that what that is? You go to Calgary, what'd you do this weekend? Hunted Elk. Yes. And this is like the hair and makeup person. Oh. And you're like, wait, what?

What did you say? Yeah, look at this video. And they're like, I know what we can talk about. It's such big country and it's so fun. Yes. And that's, and they are, we were the only show in town. My point was we were the only show in town. So we got the greatest crew.

And sometimes when you go to other cities where they're, you're not the only show in town and you're an indie movie. Nobody cares. You just get, you know, you get some people who aren't the best, the best at what they do. All due respect, but we got the best at what they do. Now I will say about this film,

one thing that was very surprising. The Transpo team, these are the people that drive you around. The Trans team, yeah. Whoa. Are you gonna do it again? Are you gonna rile me up? Why is that funny?

Hey, hey, are you gonna fucking rile me up right now? The Trans team, which we call them. The Trans team. That's what you call them. Yeah, I heard they run Hollywood. Dude. Yeah. They do, which we call them. The trance team. That's what you call them. Yeah, I heard they run Hollywood. They do, they do run Hollywood. And for whatever reason, a little bit faster than regular women.

You always go too far. I do do that sometimes, but it's always him that he just instigates. No, what did he do? He was using the actual term. Don't bring the game back. Don't you disappear. He just in see what did he do? He was an instigator. He was using the actual Okay, nothing that the transport team all women That's it that do for you, I didn't know that they could drive stick. I didn't know. I did not feel it. What about the popcorn?

I didn't popcorn any of them. I was having honest conversations with them. So where are you from? My favorite thing about Calgary, Calgary is like the Texas of Canada. So we would get in that car. They'd be all polite. And then I would like, you know,

I would just kind of like be asking some questions, you know what I mean? And within like a few minutes, they were like, that COVID. Get out. No, no, they would, they would, they'd do the COVID was a hoax. They were like, I'm not getting vaccinated. And I was like, these are my people. I found my people in the transport team in Calgary. Oh, wow. So that is a positive. Yeah. You're trans.

I remember once in Gunn Thrones, we had a driver, forget which country, we were not in Belfast because we had our crew there, but we were somewhere weird, remote. And there was a, she would speak in tongues and she would be driving and she'd go, it wasn't Tourette's it was like she was like I'm just contacting my higher spirit. No way. At going like 60 kilometers an hour you're like excuse me what? It was wild. Did you inquire?

Yeah. About this at all with Ben Hoffman? Yeah it was a talk. Yeah it was wild because then you go who's going pick my family up at the airport not not this person The witch Not this person You hired a witch Yeah

Yeah Yeah Yeah, that was a wild wild thing Oh, that's pretty crazy Well, I guess what we're trying to say is that women can't drive If they're possessed by a man Yes That's kind of what you were getting at or not

Damn it, motherfucker Mark, what are you doing right now but I'm man. Yes. Yes. That's kind of what you were getting at, or no? Damn it, Mark! Mark, what are you doing right now? Pete, come back! Don't run! Pete, don't run! I thought that's what you were gonna say. Pete, we need you.

That's the only reason why my heart beats so fast. Yeah. Yeah. Pete, we need you here, okay? Oh my God. Okay, listen, this movie, can we get into promo mode? We have to actually try to- I thought I did a really good job. Okay, listen, this movie, can we get into promo mode? We have to actually try it. I thought I did a really good job.

So, Calgary, and you just went women's drivers. They were good at driving. They got us there every single time. Wait, I want to ask about the Wichita's. Do you believe in ghosts? You think ghosts are real or no? Be honest. It's the way you look at it.

Can I tell you something about Mark? Do you guys see the Sixth Sense? I do. Can I tell you something about Mark? Do you guys see the Sixth Sense? You should delete him out. I'm in camo. I'm halfway gone. You can barely see me.

Where's the time have you? The bottom half is just weird 80s jeans shorts. We're both Catholics. I'm Azuley. He believes in demons 100%. So it's against the law for us. It's just weird 80s jeans shorts. We're both catholics, so I'm asy like you. He believes in demons 100%. So it's against the law for us. Yeah.

He believes in them. Oh really? No, he's like... Wiccan? The opposite. The exact opposite. Isn't your sister Wiccan? Nah, she just does drugs.

Oh, okay. So he is 100% sincere in believing in demons. I've never seen a demon. Oh nice. I've never seen a demon. So he is 100% sincere in believing in demons. I've never seen a demon. I've never seen a demon. Oh, they're out there. They're just starting to have skin. Yeah.

And they have wear suits. Oh, damn. Okay. Wait a minute. Did you get invited to like a Weinstein hotel or something? What did he offer you? There's more than one Weinstein out there. Whoa!

That's good. Come on. Give! That's good. Come on. Give us the good stuff. Country's falling apart. No, back to the Wiccan. Hmm. Yeah. I've never seen a demon, but in my brain,

they still might be out there. Sometimes I'll see something move in the room, like a shadow, and I'm like, oh, hold on, what the fuck? This is genuine sincerity. When's the last time you did acid? I never did acid. Oh, you've never done acid? I looked like a shadow. I'm like, hold on. What the fuck? No, I never did ask you never do I look like it's too much organic shit going through you Yeah, I think it's natural living. Yeah, thanks. I'm just raw dog in the world too hard Society is like a high and in that itself. Have you done acid? Have you dabbled in the psychedeles

Everybody has their 20s. I mean the 20s were crazy. So you have seen a ghost. See, I'm not fucking crazy. No, I never saw a ghost. Did you ever have any like crazy hallucinations during this wild time in the 20s? In the 1920s. In the 1920s, yeah.

During this wild time in the early 1900s. They're all these flapper girls. Yeah, I mean the economy was booming. I was wearing spats. No, I just like listening to music and seeing some colors and you know. Paint Floyd is all. You're wondering when it's gonna, because when you have a certain amount of anxiety like me, you wonder, okay, when is it gonna be over now? I really don't want it to... I want it to be over now. I'm good. Did you have bad trips?

No, no, but just like, okay. It's enough. Yeah, enough already. We're done. It's lasting too long. I'm a control freak. Yeah. That's why I don't do drugs anymore, because... that.

Yeah. They just stick around. It's like a guest that won't leave. Yes. You know, that's all. Yeah. And I guess microdosing is what everybody's doing now. I don't even...

What's the point? Yeah, back in the day we macrodosed. This is the best drug. It's not though. It destroys families' lives. It's a profession. It really kind of might be the worst. That's a profession. It really kind of might be the worst. That's a good point.

I'm so glad you didn't indulge your stupid fucking idiotic thing. No one's ever killed a family. I mean, it's kind of been proven, Andrew, that it's the worst. But, ch-ching. Bro, I thought I had one right there. I thought I was really on it. Nah. Cause-benefit analysis, but you're right. No, nic there. I thought I was really on it. Yeah Benefit analysis, but you're right. I put nicotine above us. Okay marks on the nicotine. Everybody smoked back in the day Yeah, now it's in the lights. Yeah

Yeah, do you know the sins do you know what the sins are? No magazines That's Zine Zine. Yeah, the sins are these little pouches people put in under their lips. You haven't seen this that's zine. Zine, yeah. The zines are these little pouches people put under their lips. You haven't seen this? That's called human tobacco. No, but now it comes in a pouch. Can you show us? Actually, David, can you ask David if he can get some? I've had one in my mouth for 30 seconds, and then I'd had diarrhea for three days.

So it's probably a win. And the problem is, weight loss. It's a diarrhea. It is a diarrhea. That's true. It's hard to make an Indian have diarrhea. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. That's true. Oh, right. He can handle butter curry all day. It's nearly impossible to make an Indian have diarrhea. Wow. Yeah. That's true. Oh, right. He can handle butter curry all day. It's nearly impossible to make, like he's built for hard shit. Yeah, I'm built for semi-self shit. Would you ever do Hot Ones?

Yeah, absolutely. That show? But I would, I feel a lot of pressure. Like if Alex played him like a charity basketball game, I would have the same. Yeah, you gotta show up. Yeah, you gotta show up. Same level of like, God, who is the one actress, Jenna Ortega just bodied that whole shit.

I would feel like I would have to go with that hammer. Like, I would have to. She did really well on that one. Yeah, dude, she did really well on that one. Is it weird to bring up another show on your show? Not at all. The one funny thing about that, I mean, actually, I fucking hate you.

We're beefing. Yeah, no. We have a public beef. I remember when I was on that one. The one thing about that show I mean actually I fucking hate you. We're beefing. We have a public beef. The one thing about that show that's so interesting is that like... It's a great premise. Better than this one. Fuck you. Fuck you.

Fuck you. What is the premise here? What is the premise? The premise is saying really expensive things. Oh, like racist wigs with even racist answers. Being really, being an asshole. America! USA!

Yay, because we're in such good shape right now. Yeah. America Yeah The show is you know, we had a civil war once we did. Yeah, didn't it work out Well, don't we think what were you about to say? The show is I think I think the guy is overshadowed by the show I think the interviewer isshadowed by the show. I think the interviewer is actually excellent. Is that why you're trying so hard? No.

To be bigger than your shadow. I just need chicken. We need chicken. We need another thing. I've been trying to say that. We just need another thing. We need another thing. I think the interviewer is fantastic.

I think people think it's about the chicken, and it's not. He just asks really good questions. It's like it's's about the chicken and it's not he just asked really good questions It's like it's not about the dragons. It's not about the chicken And they're trying to sell the show without him but nobody wants to buy it without him because the show is really About him. I want to do that show. I think he's fantastic. I think you'd be great. I think you're fantastic You didn't have to compare. Okay, you did but fact you said that let's come in it meant a lot Yeah, let's compare. Would you do that shit? Would I eat chicken in front of people? Yes as a white man?

You're gonna make me you're gonna make me eat. So those 90s videos. What else am I gonna do? We had a chicken sit there and eat watermelon as a as a white man whoa who asked you to do that? what the hell? KSP is suggesting racist things to me as a white man he did that's crazy you know what's funny? he wanted me to play basketball as a white man you want me to eat don't do it jacket potatoes when I'm not Irish alright that's better that's better. You know what?

You scared me with that one, dude. That could have gone any way. Elliot tried to make it less racist by going, we had a chicken incident on a rap video. We did it! Wait a minute. What happened? With Snoop talk. Wait, what did Snoop?

My brother. He's not your brother. You know what? We did it. He's a big Thrones fan. Is he really? I met him once in the back. Is he your brother. You know what? He's a big thrones fan. I met him once. Is he your brother? Hey, I'm honorary. I'm sorry I'm going to say it right now. Wait, do you get to say that special word?

Fuck off, man. Chicken? But I want to love. That's your boy. No, just, yeah. He just respects you. No, it's just love. Yeah.

I'm not going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm just going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship.

I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your guy's personal relationship. I'm going to go into your That's your boy. No, just, yeah. He just respects you. No, it's just love. Yeah. I'm not going to go into your guys' personal relationship. I feel like it's something between you guys and I don't want to pry. Then we're going to respect that. We are going to respect that. Yeah, that's for y'all.

Hey, LA, can you tell us your chicken and black people story? Go, go, go, go, go. I can tell you about Snoop Dogg and the politics of chicken. Any way you say it, it's very specific. The politics of chicken. We were doing a video for the Eastsiders, who were from the LBC, and you know the entourage showed up, it was about 250 people hungry Well, this is

My god, we're cutting out all the raises stuff. It's gonna be a 10-minute episode Micah! We're cutting out all the Razor stuff, it's gonna be a 10 minute episode. So they're going through a service and a catering trouble, but anyway, so the production assistant, Snoop is like, I need some chicken. Come on dude, he didn't say it like that. I need some... I need? I would like some chicken.

That's it. Anyway, so... How do you ask new? When you have a six-year-old you with your friends when they go take give me that Instinctually, I go you think, how do you ask? You can't say it. And now I'm programmed to go, how do you ask, dude? Yeah, that's actually good. How do you ask, dude? How do you ask for chicken? Yeah. Anyway, it was, I mean, the production assistant was like, Snoop would like some, because he speaks about himself in the third person, Snoop Dogg would like some chicken.

And the production assistant said, well, there's a KFC around the corner. Peter doesn't like that, the third person. You don't like the third person? You guys invented the third person. Who's? The English. Nobody else is third person-ing. That's fair.

So Snoop, it's like a needle on a record just stopped and he said no KFC, it has to be Popeyes. I could have told you that. I mean the PA didn't know. No, I respect that move. KFC's gentrified Popeyes. Is it really? I don't want that white ass chicken. I quite like KFC. The famous bowl is fabulous. I mean it's got everything.

What does it have? KFC's corn, mashed potatoes, gravy. That's Mark's Hot Ones, it's just KFC wings. Yeah, I mean if I want to go crazy I'll get down a gallon of milk probably with it. It'd be fun. I would do that. Alex, you can probably speak on this. From a place of expertise. Absolutely.

You would prioritize Popeyes over KFC. Definitely. And then what is the most elite chicken? Oh, come on. Skos. What? What's Skos? Skos.

Or Roskos. Oh, we have that out here. What do you have out here? Church? Popeyes. Probably. I'll taco. Yeah.

But Roskos is only just the one, right? There's a couple I think in LA. Please. There's one in... There's one in... Have any other than that? There's like... There's one...

There's a couple in LA. God. Yeah. There's at least three. There's Altadena. Oh, wow There's one. Couple in LA. God. At least three. Altadena. Oh wow. And Pico.

Yeah. Wow, also. Two in Hollywood. God, that mac and cheese, man. Whoa. Yeah. It's good. But you don't eat meat.

You don't eat meat. I think I've been to four. I don't, I do now. You know why? Because of Thrones, like it needs more promotion. I started eating fish and chicken again on that show. Why? Because vegetarian, you see, not see, sorry, because vegetarian in Croatia.

Is it impossible? Yeah. You cannot do it. Yeah, really tired on set and I was like, you know, my dad and I fished together and I missed fish and so, and you're right on the seaside there. You got to get after it. And I said, I'll have a tuna steak. And it was just, that was it.

But I don't eat the cow or the pork or that stuff. Really? Yeah, not since I was 16. What about the poultry? The last hamburger I had was McDonald's cheeseburger drive-thru when I was 16. What about the poultry? Last hamburger I had was McDonald's cheeseburger drive-thru when I was 16. And I met a girl who was like this willowy vegetarian writer from the neighboring all-girls school. Nothing ever happened because I was wearing my cloak.

And I was like, whoa, that's so cool. Vegetarian? What is that? And then me and my brother, Jersey, went through a drive-through, ordered McDonald's, I started eating a cheeseburger and I went, oh, I'm gonna be vegetarian. After this, after I finish this McDonald's cheeseburger.

You gotta go into rehab high. Yeah, and that was like 50 years ago. Did you get the attention of the girl? Did she acknowledge your sacrifice? I actually met her years and years later, about 15 years ago, and she said, oh, I was vegetarian for like six weeks. And I went, huh, that was like a lifetime for me. Dude.

But thank you. I had a friend that did this in college. You like met a girl, fell in love. Miles is right here to say that. No, not him. And meets this girl, she's like very like into like activism and stuff. In order to like, you guys had the same hair? No, no, no, no, no, no. He was like clean cut, like Mormon looking guy. Different types

of guys. He was talking about the girl. Oh yeah. The girl also had clean cut, like shitty head. Yeah, lesbian. And in order to like get. See guys, This is where the story's going. It's where he got the jean shorts. Sorry. I did rob a lesbians. Zin me. But she ends up losing her and they stop dating. In order to win her back he becomes vegan. And then that's not enough.

He ends up joining the Peace Corps and lives in like South Central Africa for four years. When you do that, the women are really attracted to all that. And doesn't ever want her back. Oh, God. Meets another girl while he's in Africa in America. Started stalking her and was like, why don't you?

They never react well to that stalking. Yeah, right? So you met a girl in Africa? Yeah. Why are you laughing? I'm not gonna say anything rude. The way that you said it makes it seem like it's gonna be racial.

It's not racial at all. It could be a cultural thing. Where in Africa? In Les anything rude. The way that you said it makes it seem like it's gonna be racial. It's not racial at all. It could be a cultural thing. Where in Africa? In Lesotho. No way. Yeah, it's a small country inside of a country known as South Africa. Oh wow. Yeah.

Okay, cool. South Africa. Correct. But it's a country within South Africa. It's kind of a weird thing. And what's the deal? She's just a... Nice girl.

Nice woman. Just digging diamonds. Nope. That's not okay. For the beers. Hang on. Nice woman. Just digging diamonds. Nope. For De Beers. Hang on, hang on. All day. Digging those diamonds for De Beers. You made a race life. That's the L.A. own. No, De Beers I think is South Africa too.

Yeah, yeah. Pieces of shit. You assume that she was living in Africa as an African I think and that's not- Is that a crazy thing to assume? She was in Peace Corps also? She was in Peace Corps also. Is that a crazy thing?

She was in Peace Corps. If she was in Peace Corps she's definitely white. Why didn't you join the fucking Peace Corps? I love that ad, the toughest job you'll ever love. Diggity do. Remember that ad? No. Bring that ad, that is a good one.

It's such a good one. Ah! It's not often I look at people like they're old, but I was like, holy fuck. That was their tagline. Diggity do. And the drummer goes, Diggity do.

Speaking of music... I didn't join the Peace Corps, no. Why? My mom was a very, very outspoken, still is, peace marcher. And I was raised in the 80s when it was like, raised by like always the fear that nuclear war was going to happen at any minute because of so much like Cold War environment. Wait, you actually felt that as a kid? Yeah. So this was, you were dealing with like Cuba stuff, Cuba Missile Crisis.

No. No, that was... I mean, you're dealing with... Sorry. What was it? Reagan. Yeah, yeah. This is Cold War, so be...

Yeah, yeah. So when you were growing up, so when did they start to integrate the schools and stuff like that? When is that... Did they make you do bomb drills? You had to go under the desk and shit? Duck and cover. Yeah. Is that really part of it?

Yeah, as if that would... How old do you think I am? You are 49. You're 49. You know Game of Thrones is not a documentary, right? Oh, that can be. I'm 650 years old. Don't you stop.

Don't use the start. But we use a different time. Celsius. Celsius. You can't use do that. Don't you stop. Six, seven, ten, ten. Don't use the start. But can we use a different time? Celsius. Celsius. Time is different with our communities. I'll never say community again. I've never asked a question about the kids.

I just want... Who has the minutes from the last meeting? Gelgihyde. He is! We're all so many. Can we please, we talked about the beards everywhere. Why do dwarves all have beards? I don't know, keep up with that stereotype.

What is that? You have great facial hair though. That's unemployment, man. It's just unemployment. And thicket. Thicket, it definitely unemployment and thicket It definitely it definitely works for thicket. Oh, wow. Yeah, do a lot of doors have beers I want to say that every day. Shut the fuck up! Tell him shut the fuck up! Tell him no Pete! Let him know! Tell him shut the fuck up!

Is that a stereotype? I was curious. I love that. Let him fucking know. Alright? Just got to play around dude. God I really want to kind of come back. But shut the fuck up was just Should have like perfect

Just talking about the fans Lord of the Rings stuff if you look at his eyes, he's still reeling right now I know him, he's fucking, he's dying, he's dying on that couch. So anyway, Thicket, Thicket, in theaters, when? We're signing off? No, no, we're not signing off, but in theaters when though? In theaters September the 6th. There's still movie theaters? Yo, how long will they be alive? This guy is dumb.

Why is there no Peter Dinklage on YouTube promoting stuff? Because the only thing he says... Yeah, here's the thing. You won't bother and there's no theaters anymore. It's so sad. There's a Jonathan... Oh yeah, yay the movies. But the Oscars...

Yes. Jonathan Ross. No, it's a funny thing. We could talk about culturally, because I think truly, and in terms of comedy, which I think this is what this is, you're supposed to be funny. Yes, we're trying our hardest. I feel like comedy is at the front lines of, which it shouldn't be, it should be the opposite of what's dying in the movie business, because it's't be, it should be the opposite of what's dying

in the movie business because it's really hard to make a comedy that's released in theaters. And it shouldn't be because you want the people around you to laugh and everything, but people are getting their fix from YouTube. From YouTube. Falling down the stairs, let's get a little, I got my laugh for the day, like my little laugh quarter.

And I don't want the long form comedy anymore because I don't have the, because show me the laugh beginning to end, and like a Hal Ashby movie, even like, you know, it just, I don't want to follow a narrative to get my laugh. I want a quick fix. It's a big investment. So we gotta watch that. I think that you were onto something. I don't know what I'm onto, but I feel like, you know, you guys are all funny. We should watch that. International audience. That's what I was. They're fearful. Long form comedies.

Yeah, my understanding was internationally it doesn't play as well, because so many jokes are so, They believe. So whatever. So they believe. So they put their money into it. I mean, you were in a Marvel movie, it's like that internationally will play. Comedy, you don't know if the joke

is gonna translate well in. But you need the patience for the, That is what I agree. I definitely think that is a part of it. And I feel like, whoa. I also think if you put out a comedy movie that's not funny, it is wildly disappointing to go see. Yeah, it's so sad. That's the thing.

So it's like, and I think people are a little bit hesitant, you know, culturally I think that pendulum swing and, you know and I think there was a moment where it swung in a direction where people were a little scared about taking some chances. I think the pendulum swung back. But it takes time to make films. So in the next maybe year, two or three, then maybe we'll get some fun stuff. But I also think that people want convenience, man. You can watch a movie at home.

You can watch the greatest TV shows at home. You want me to put on shoes and an outfit and get a babysitter and go to the fucking... Crinkler next door to me. Dude, I saw Dune, we saw Dune in San Francisco, we watched Dune. You had a Sarah Patch kids crinkler next to you. This was actually, it was more annoying. I had someone ironic...

I'll shush my own kids for doing that. I love that. I fucking love that. At home? Should we be streaming something? Like shhh. I had a guy ironically laughing next to us. Like he was so in on it. Oh god.

That he's like, oh that wasn't exactly how it was. And now I feel like I'm not getting it. So now I'm insecure about my own consumption of the movie and I can't just get lost in the picture, which I want to get lost in. And I had that moment where I'm like, I have a big screen at home, I have a good sound system. Dune's coming out in like a week. Fucking two weeks. Yeah, yeah.

So then should we all be making stuff for, I mean the money isn't there obviously, but should we make stuff for streaming because that is how people are consuming things or should we push people to theaters? Well, I think it's sort of we can't Spielberg, I've heard an interview with him and he's like I don't run a studio but even for promotion for the people for the diehards that don't have a big screen who want to see it on the big screen and it's also the sound because sound at home isn't as good as those things.

I agree. Depends on the movie theater you're in. We have Alamo in Brooklyn which is incredible. The seats are incredible. They play great movies. The seats are incredible. They play great movies. They play retrospectives. But Spielberg said in this interview where he was like,

I don't run a studio, but just show it for a couple of weeks for the diehards and for promotion for when you stream it. Just give it that chance. Also. Don't allow that chance to go away. Cause like me, who back in the day when I would like lying I remembered with my friends We'd lined we lined up for Cape Fear on the opening day

If you're opened and there was one guy ahead of us We were up all night drinking and we got there at like the first showing at like 10 a.m And there was one guy in front of us already on the line. It was like crazy this middle-aged guy by himself and like wow You're a beer more of a diehard than we are. And that was the excitement, and it was communal. I was waiting in line. I saw Star Wars five times when I was a kid,

and part of it was like, what number is this for you? The community of standing in line. It was so fun. Yeah, and that's what I would say. We didn't have the thing at home. For stand-up, or I mean for comedy, so much of laughter is contagious. That will never go away. So seeing it in the theater with everybody laughing and then you get to share that laugh, you'll laugh more than you will if you watch it by yourself. That's true.

I wish there was, and that's why live comedy, so much of it is better, so much of the reason it's better than watching on TV, because we get to share the laugh. Yeah. Also I think that's why horror still works in the theaters. Horror needs a collective. It is so much... You guys were scared together. Yeah, we're scared together so there's the comfort of being together. Like watching a fucking scary movie by yourself alone... Psycho. Psycho.

You gotta go to sleep after that shit. But watching it with a hundred other people or two hundred other people, you get to leave going, oh my god, that was crazy. This person throws their popcorn, it's a fun... You kinda laugh after you get scared,, breaks the tension a little bit. That's an interesting point about, like, you would brag. It was almost a badge of honor how many times you saw a thing. Right.

And that is gone. I don't think there's the redundancy anymore. Like, oh, I saw Titanic five times or whatever people ended up seeing. Right. I'm trying to think of a movie that I saw in the theater, and I was happy to see it multiple times. What do we also know about everything before we see it tattooed?

Oh, you think too much is spoiled. Oh, definitely. So by the time the film is coming out, the internet has spoiled it, TikTok has spoiled it, all the writers have spoiled it. Think about it, 1977 when I was a kid, I didn't know what a Chewbacca was or a C-3PO. So the first time you see it.

The first you see it, you're going, what the fuck? What is it? What? And it's almost like, I have to go and watch this again because now I know what it is so I can. No, that's a fantastic point. The first time you were at the movie. It's the first time.

Your mind is blown. Now we go into the movie in the same way you go into a restaurant. I already know the best dishes. I know what everybody recommends. everybody recommend is gonna be in this Yeah, but let's like everybody on the I'm old. This is gonna sound very old, but everybody on the dating websites I've told you I know it's mostly lies, but I've told you everything every single thing about it. Talk about there's nothing There's no there's no slow reveal and even that slow reveal is redundant because I already read everything more romantic than the slow reveal

Yes, it finding something about somebody. It's the it's the Lewis and Clark even that slow reveal is redundant because I've already read everything. And there's nothing more romantic than the slow reveal. Yes. Finding something about somebody, it's the... It's the Lewis and Clark of the bedroom. The bedroom. Yeah, yeah, that is... Yeah, you won't cover a shared interest. You're like, oh fuck.

You just got even better. Oh my god, you love jean shorts too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're meant to be together. We're meant to be together. You didn't put that on your website. That's a great point. If I know everything, why do I have to get ready and go to the thing?

If I knew nothing, everything I'm about to consume is going to be a surprise. And that's what it makes sense why horror is- We cushion ourselves to not have the unhappy ending. And sometimes unhappy endings in terms of everything is like really important. Now, think about it. You're going to talk about happy endings? No, no, no. I would love to. But think about horror still gives you that experience live because it's not seeing a Chewbacca, it's the surprise of this person jumping out. So you still get that surprise. In most other genres, you're being tipped off to what's gonna happen.

So what we crave is that surprise. And if you're not gonna provide that surprise, I might as well watch it at home. And you wanna rush to, with the horror, you wanna rush to the theater, because the great movies like Sixth Sense and Get Out is like, you don't want it spoiled so you have to forget that because you know that something is going to

be revealed and like with a drama or a comedy it's different. So then if we know that that will always be spoiled then we have to change the way that we consume it or the way that we deliver to people because you can't stop the internet, right? Good luck. It's kind of impossible. It's just how we re-engineer. Having kids, I think I have faith in like,

they're gonna sort of turn their backs on it a little bit. It's so funny, we talk about this. I know, it's probably, no, no, this is good, this is great. I think parents are dealing with it all the time, but it's, I would like a generation of like that, of like bloodites again. So, yeah.

And they're all beet farmers. No, no, no, it's, all right, you know how like- It's just saturation. Yeah. And when you saturate someone with whatever, it's like with drugs, or you can go to rehab, with internet, they gotta get, you know. I think that like, our generation is obsessed

with the internet. And I think- Because it's new. It's new. And I think children always reject the obsessions of their parents. Right. And I wonder if your kids, my kids,

will see us on our phones all the time and be like, that's what old people do, fuck that. I don't wanna do it. There's gonna be like a straight edge movement in social content. I genuinely believe that. In the same, yeah. Well, with kids, it's the bottom line of like,

they just still wanna stay connected to their friends. And that's what they're, the bottom line of why they're using it for that connectivity, which we're pushing, we're putting on them all the horrible things that happened on the internet. All of that stuff. But they just want to be with their friends. You don't want to miss out on a trend that your friends know about and then you're feeling fumbled. Just anything. Like, how are you? Just, like, you know, anything like that. You want to stay connected.

I think we put on to them all the evils of it all. And they're sort of so savvy early on now that they're just like, yeah, I just ignore that stuff. So now they can discern between the horrible content and just the fun ways to connect. I hope. I hope. This is the idealistic version of the youth. Yeah, we are the, and this is not my thought,

but we're the first generation that's smoking cigarettes who you said Dax said it Yeah, Dax Shepard where it's like eating junk food Everybody eats junk food or fast food smoke cigarettes and then the next generation is like, you know, what the fuck were they doing? Right. We had to hide playboy magazines under our beds Between the magic we had in our tree fort in the backwood Wrapped in plastic so they didn't get wet. Now if it's such easy act, and it was like, you wanna do the tree fort?

You know, like now it's like. Jerking off in the woods. So sad. It's crazy. It's great. Bridgewood had a thrill. He was in a tree fort. Yes, I can't do that shit.

You can't get away with that anymore. If you're doing that in a tree forest in the woods. Yeah, it's a little terrifying. It's sketchy. But now it's so saturated that you can just get in whenever you want. Whenever you want. Why aren't they all locked in their bathrooms all the time? They got it so easy.

So saturated that maybe they're going to be like, it's not a big deal. I remember downloading an image to jerk off to, and it would load from top to bottom. No pun intended. Yeah, and like, it was terrifying because like, the tits load, but you don't know if there's gonna be a dick there. Oh wow.

Do you know what I mean? So, you've already started the beat. You know what I mean? Faxing porn? What is this? What is that? Check out this image. Mom, play the fax machine with me! Yeah.

I remember watching like before Cable, there was a box on, like my friend Chris had it, who had like cool parents. They had the bar down in the basement with the pool table. So they were the first to get cable in Jersey growing up. And it was just a box that sat on their TV called Wometgo Home Feeder. And it was, you turn from the regular TV and you flip the switch for this one station.

And it had, it was the first cable, like 1970, whatever. And during the day it would be scrambled. So you would look at the boobs in the scramp. like 1970 whatever and during the day would be scrambled so you would look at the boobs in the scrambles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I saw one. Flip back and forth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. Before HBO, which later became my employer.

We had a, we had a, yeah, we had a, what was it? Channel 35, there was this woman, Robin Bird. Robin Bird. Come on. Come on. She made us men. Robin Bird made us men. Who's Robin Bird?

The Robin Bird show. She was- Public access, right? She was a retired porn actress. Okay. She was like Tracy Lord's era, Robin Bird. And then she did this public access show called Robin Bird Show.

And it was so beautiful. She would host. She would just talk to porn stars. And somebody would get up and dance, like kinda half naked. And they would just be naked. And she was like an older woman. She was older then.

And she was sort of sun soaked. Yes, like white trash Diane Summers. Yeah, just had smoked three packs a day. Yes. And, incredible though. But it was. Wow. That's the mess in Elf.

Oh, death. Who was that, Dana Carvey? Oh, that's Sherry O'Terrio. Oh, that's Sherry O'Terrio. Dana Carvey. No. Master of disguise. Yeah.

Master of disguise. Master of disguise. Master of disguise. Dana got it. Oh, fuck. Whoa. Anyway, yeah, shit. Yeah, you put on Robin, you look up Robin Bird and you're going to get a lot of. I remember we would go home as a group of friends. That's so weird.

Is Jamil out there? Like we would go home with like five of us. We would sit on the other bed. Come on, guys. Yes. And we would watch together. Yeah. And.

I think it was the super boy. go home with like five of us. We would sit on the floor. Come on guys. Yes, and we would watch together. Yeah. And. I think it was the super boy. Yeah. Literally. It's never still there. First time I watched porn was with the homies.

No, no, for real. And my mom, my mom's from Scotland, grew up poor as shit. So one of the things that like, when she first, you know, they had this dance studio and dancing got popular. I remember swing dancing got like really popular, it was in like Gap ads and shit like that. I think dancing's been popular for a really long time. Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss illegal but we really we broke the barriers. Kevin Bacon was there in the burn. Yeah six

degrees man. Wait what is that? Seven. Anyway. Is it now seven? No six degrees. Oh because we're overpopulated as a culture. Yeah it's gotten big. But um the penis is real and uh did you know that? What? Kevin Bacon is known for having a unit. I didn't know that. Him and Elliot. Wow. Did you guys talk about that when you watched Robin Bird show together? Mostly just that. Yeah.

But I remember we were watching the room and the door would be open and we'd watch it on mute and I didn't realize it would reflect off a window. So my mom who just made a couple bucks, one of her big splurges was when she bought the internet package, not the end of the cable package, she goes, I want all the channels. Thank you, mom. Thank you, mom.

And we were just all there, hard with the homies. And my mom noticed one day walking by that the TV would reflect off of the window. And then the next week we went and showed up and there was no porno for us to be hard to get. No. And yeah, it really affected our friendship. So you were left with the Oxygen Network.

We would watch Elliot's music videos. Thank you, Elliot. You should have gone to Jersey. You could have got the hookup. I know. You could have got the Playboys. WHT, yeah. Damn it. Elliot's music video What do you think of artificial intelligence in movies oh As far as like writing and making things about yourself at that question, buddy Okay, not with right there's nothing that can't a couple friends who are teachers and they're navigating that landmine of students submitting papers high papers at a high school

level of English papers written by AI. And they're very talented writers and they have teachers and they can spot it right away. But it's like we had Cliff Notes back in the day and it's like the new high tech version of what Cliff Notes were. In movies, it depends. I think everybody sort of treats AI like the enemy. And it's really not, it's a tool. It's like if you have a hammer, you could either build a house or kill somebody with it.

And it's really like it is still a tool and I have a friend who's a really incredible visual director and he sends me like short films that he makes just with AI and they're Weird and beautiful, but they're definitely AI. They're not there's nothing human about them So I think it's really kind of cool if it's used Not to lie if it's used not to lie. If it's used like a dragon. If it's like CGI, if you CGI a dragon, it's great. If you CGI a dog, that's obviously a CGI dog

because we know what a dog looks like and we'll always be able to tell. But if we treat it like a really cool technological tool, then I'm all for it. Do you think that we can write dialogue? Just don't lie with it. Just don't try and like hoodwink. Cut corners. Yeah, don't try to hoodwink me as a viewer, as a human being with it.

Or cut corners and like not hire a real person. Do you think AI dialogue can match Cyrano? No. No chance. No. Not the way. No. No.

I don't think so. Because it's regurgitation. It's regurgitating information that a human at the bottom line, a human has given it. Yeah. It can only work off what it has. Yeah. It can't innovate. It can't inspire.

It can't make something that's never been made. No, good luck with Shakespeare. AI, you know, good luck. All power to you, but it's never gonna happen. Have you done Shakespeare? Yeah. He did Cyrano, right? Well, no, Cyrano is written by a very talented.

Frenchman. Yeah, I've done a lot of French Shakespeare. I think there's a wife that played a role in that screenplay, right? Yeah, she wrote Zirno. Yes. We did it as a play. Why is it Zirno? He's an incredibly talented playwright, writer, director.

And you were very, very, when we hung out, you were very humble. Edmund Rustin, who's a French writer. Just took me a second to remember his name. But you were very humble and kind to your wife, and you were like, she's so unbelievably talented compared to me. That's what you said, and I remember that. I thought that remember his name. But you were very humble and kind to your wife and you were like, she's so unbelievably talented compared to me, that's what you said. And I remember that, I thought that was very nice. And you said that with nobody around.

And I thought that was cool. Yeah, well. Then you said, just kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta be humble and kind. Yeah, I don't think that's a good question though. I think everybody's getting a little bit panicked

and we've created it. And we live in this sort of like blade runner thing of like things that they're gonna take over. I guess we use them all the time, but. Yeah. I've seen people compare it to Photoshop. Like when Photoshop kinda came on the scene through Adobe, there's a lot of initial pushback from artists to say like,

oh, if you're not sketching it with hand, you're not a real artist, you know, you're using some hands. But I do. Yes. I like I know a lot of incredible prosthetic makeup artists, and now it's sort of to age people and de age them. And it's creepy.

And it doesn't have the same impact that an incredible prosthetic artist does to add wrinkles or take away de-aging is harder, but you know, I think That's sort of deep looking to dove brought up a good point. I think this is a not to continue to talk about Game of Thrones, but we will the There's a you can tell when sets are created and sets are real.

I don't know why you can tell. Because you have a brain. But my brain should look at these things that are created digitally, but they look almost perfect. And you had an interesting point, which is like, in a real set, it offers more movement. You can like walk about the room. Well, that's the thing. They're trying to make it perfect and nothing's perfect and

it's great for deep. Ellie, she can speak to this better than I can, but it's great for like really deep background just to sort of, but like the stuff in the room. You can't do it. It's sort of ridiculous because it's actually more expensive than actually going and shooting a real set. Yeah. You're saying building out the artificial sets.

It's ridiculous. It's so expensive. Because CGI artists know that, hey, me, because now it's a thing. Like the Mandalorian. Yes. It's all shot on a virtual stage. And it just looks. But you know it's a great show, but you can tell that it's not real. It's not tactile. But it's the way, you know, it's more... But that's okay because it takes place on different planets, in a way. A little bit. More is forgiven. It's not okay. Yeah, you get away with more. But more is forgiven. It's thick, it looks it, you see it.

Like, I'm not even trying to promote it. You will see it. And it will instantly feel cold. I think it affects the actors subconsciously as well. 100%. If you are cold, you don't have to act cold Yeah, and you can think about acting whatever the role is and getting the emotion, you know Like those things done for you. Yeah, whereas if you're on a sit, like I said with a screen behind you There's so many things to calculate all the great filmmakers prefer real locations to being on a stage Yeah, I think it was-

Stage is easy. For some things, interior is great, boom. But even that, I'd rather shoot in a real restaurant and shut it down for the day and have like, I don't know, it just feels like people have sat here where I'm sitting and ordered. Feels like a soap opera when it's fake. For whatever reason.

Yeah. When it's real, I lose myself in it. I believe it. I can believe the absurdity. I can believe a fucking, I can I believe it. I can believe the absurdity. I can believe a fucking, I can believe the fantasy. I can believe a fucking dragon when the castle's real. When it feels like the background might be artificial and every stone is like perfectly laid. I don't know if I can tell the difference to be honest with you, but I can definitely see it affecting the acting. Like to your point, if I'm eating, sitting in a restaurant.

You can tell the difference. You don't know you can tell the difference. Yeah, I don't know if I, maybe I can Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I can't. I don't know. I can't think of examples where I think it was fake. I didn't know that it was cheaper to actually go to location. If that's the case, why doesn't everybody... I mean, it's called a volume stage. And you have to go out and you have to shoot the background plates in order to do it.

And then you create like Batman, the new Batman, we wrote Patterson that was all shot. What's his name? Matt Reeves. All volume stage. I thought that looked good though. Yes. But you're talking about like $200 million. Got it. So you need to spend that type of money to make it. Wow. I mean, can you even? Yeah. And that's the whole thing of like indie movies are trying to... You know, how do you compete with that?

So what about this idea? You don't have that facility. So you gotta go real, and then it feels... And it feels real. Again, it feels better. Okay. You were part of the golden age of television, and some people say the golden age of television basically happened because movie budgets skyrocketed to the point where they couldn't take chances and they had to only do these $300 million existing IP films that were guaranteed success.

And then all of a sudden, the beautiful stories that were maybe adapted from books ended up thriving on television. That's what some people say. Now that movies, these $300 movies aren't necessarily making money. They're losing money. Do you think that the studios will start making the 20 million dollar Film in an effort to profit and now we live in the golden age of film it It's I don't know whether it's low tide or high tide After our show everybody wanted to spend a lot of money because they thought that's how you make a lot of money. Yeah, and then There was the feeding frenzy, Netflix and Amazon, and all those people, everybody

was like, spending, spending, spending. And I think a large part due to Thrones. And then it didn't work out for a lot of them. So they went, nope, we're not spending any money anymore. And so then you're going, all of us on the creative end of things go, just have to keep up with their expectations. Yeah. And their budget, their slate and all that stuff. So it's sort of like, what,

what do you guys, what's the flavor now? And how can we help? And we're just, we want to entertain people. And, um, I kind of feel like you want to really hard. And it's, but that's, it's like, it's like politics in this country. We're never satisfied. We never would, the pendulum is just swinging back and forth. Yeah. Um, um. So there is no formula. It's just real, whatever is popular. We can follow that popular crowd. Everybody's chasing what's successful.

Yeah, but with that you sacrifice risk and creativity and all that stuff. Is there a story that you would wanna tell or a movie or a film you'd wanna make that just like either hasn't been made or couldn't be made given the restrictions? Oh, there's a billion of them, but I don't know until I read them

you mean what story I want to tell? Yeah, has there been anything in your mind recently that you're like, oh, I would love to see this? Well, I just love challenging, like in South Korea they challenge while South Korean films are so great. They challenge genres. Like you can watch a horror movie that can leave you in tears.

Like an action movie that just is so beautifully dramatic. Like they don't, they're not and thank God we've sort of had them coming toward that they've become popular in our country. Parasite was huge. Yes because I just like the idea of defining genres. I think Jordan Peele does that really well. Yeah. He's like so good but they've been doing it before Jordan Peele for a long time, but people in our, I'll say it, maybe in our country, they just get sort of like, well, what kind of movie is it? How many rotten tomatoes did it get?

Why don't I, I need to know what I'm seeing. Yeah. I think Pixar did. I don't ever, ever wanna know what I'm about to see. Pixar is incredible. Yeah, and I think they defined the genre where you're like, oh, I'm just gonna go see the little kids cartoon and you walk away being like, what the fuck was that?

Why did they just do that in the first 10 minutes of out? Why can I not move? Why are they courageous? No, I mean that genuinely. Why do you think they are so brave where everybody is? Because kids are more open than we are. Dude, that might be it. They, that might be it. I don't know. They might be more willing.

Shrek was another one that really like flipped all that stuff on its head. It's like the princess stayed the ogre at the end. Yeah. But they've done, they've defined what I was just talking about. I'm like kids movies, movies for adults. Wally, I saw that before I had kids. It's one of the greatest movies I think ever made. And there's no fucking dialogue. It's like if Stanley Kubrick made an animated movie. That movie, WALL-E is like still one of my top five movies of all time and it's an animated kids movie.

But it's not a kids movie. It's so good. Yeah. Have you watched it with your kids? Yeah. And do they appreciate it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, really? Yeah, and are they getting the point of the film like yeah, of course the everything

Yeah, because it gets kind of deep towards the end It's yeah What happens when you pacify a group of people and just give them the most convenient thing? That's our perception They don't they get something else. They get something. Yeah, I do notice the only thing I do notice is the pace in which these movies are go. We saw Inside Out, they all have like a pace, like I showed them ET a couple years ago. It's funny because you watch ET as an adult

and you're like, well, this movie is all about divorce. It's not about the alien at all. It's not alien at all. It's not at all, it's all about divorce and the kids suffering from it and the mom. But they thought it was just like kind of slow. And I think it's no fault of theirs, it's just we live at a speed.

I saw a taxi driver with 99, with Daenerys. Yeah, I saw. I showed him Schindler's List. They were like, God. We need a factor! Why would he say that? What's wrong with the Nazis? No.

The Dorn of Interest was a big hit with them. That is a great point. Pace, they're used to such fast pace. And the older films are much slower, but they build in a way that the newer ones, where you don't have the attention span, don't. So like if you give ET a little bit of time, all of a sudden you're really fucking invested in the story.

But like you said, it's not about the dragons, it's not about the alien. Yeah. Yeah, it's about this like turmoil in the family, which is probably the most relatable thing to people and kids growing up at that time. For sure. Divorce getting super popular.

No. Ooh, yeah, yeah. But I didn't see any of that when I was a kid. None of it. You just saw, oh my god, this is... I saw Reese's. I was like, I really want Reese's. Yeah.

Do you know how Eminem's turned them down? Yeah. Fucking idiots. That's crazy. You know that stuff? So crazy. But yeah. You idiots.

Made Reese's. Nobody turns down Spielberg. That's insane. What makes Spielberg special? Man, that innocence. Human condition? That idea of like, it's not, it doesn't, well especially with the movies that I grew up with, Close Encounters, which still is one of my favorite movies of all time, it doesn't

talk down to the kids. It makes them just right there with everybody else. Treats the children like adults. Well, just like smart. Yeah, they can solve problems. They can... Yeah, and he just has like a hope. I'm such a cynical fuck, but I need to go to the movies for hope.

Like something's good about people, and he's always done that. And not in a saccharine way but in like a real beautiful artist way. And all the great artists. Jaws. Fellini, everybody. Hope. But Jaws' Hope too. It's like this working class, like run of the mill. The nuance of family, the nuance of like sitting around a kitchen table without like making it feel product placement or something.

Mundane. Yeah, and it's also, it's weird because it's what it's sort of, I think about that sometimes I'm like, we grew up with his films, did they define our childhood or did I have a childhood and Spielberg was a part of it? Because I was obsessed with movies from a very young age and Spielberg in the 70s and for my childhood he was like, did he gear my childhood? It's funny, it's like that's how deep it runs because it came at that age. So you're looking at your childhood and your family dynamic through the lens. Mom and dad, why aren't you getting divorced?

We love each other, we'd have a fucking alien if you just dated each other. Okay, so Spielberg, master at that. Anybody else outside of Elliot or Elliot included? But I have a real cynical side going through me too. Kubrick was asked, because did you maybe know this story, he was asked why would you make it? Because he was Jewish. Stanley Kubrick, the greatest filmmaker of all time. Don't hold it against him.

Spielberg's also a favorite filmmaker of all time. He was asked, what did you ever think about making a Holocaust movie? And he said, I can't. I don't make comedies. I don't make comedies. I don't make comedies. Good night.

And he, and they, it's impossible. Yes, why, why do you say it's impossible? Because apparently it's like really bad what happened. So. And they said, what about Schindler's List? And he said, Schindler's List was about, I don't know the number, 850 people surviving. The Holocaust was about six million people dying.

So as great a film as Schindler's List is, it still had that hope. Like it was about survival. And I want to see Kubrick's version. It's too late now, but like about like this, there's, there's no happy ending here. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it's like, yes, we need the hope. We need the, the, um, that, the hope, we need that. But yeah. That's interesting. That was his version of that and why he didn't do it. But like what you see in a story is interesting. You're cynical, so you want to see the best

versions of humanity. And it reminds you like, okay, I'm a little cynical, but you know what? There are some good shit out there in the world, and it's worth pushing through, and life is awesome. Right. And, yeah. Because I get sort of bombarded with a lot of weird shit on a day-to-day basis, living here in the city, and if I get one, it makes it okay if I get one like, one like little. Beautiful story.

Just like from a stranger. It's like, it's weird when you're when you when you're in the public eye It's like Blanche Dubois I've always depended on the kindness of strangers Streetcar named desire. It's a great line and I like that's true for if you get a little in the public eye You're like I just want a little kindness from you. It's really refreshing It reminds me a little hope people are good because. Because most of it's like, oh my God, like stealing pictures. How can I take from you? Like take me, me, me, me, me.

I wanna take from you. And when you just get a little like. What can I give to you? Or what can I just let you be here? Yeah, it's nice. And all I need is just that little reminder. It's nice. It's not woe is me at all,

but I rarely get it from white people. Yeah. Because it's all about this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about the state of the country? Like, are you worried at all in this political climate?

Careful now. Whoa. Careful now. Yeah, I'm worried all the time. All the time. What gives you hope? You? Freedom of speech? Um, you? Freedom of speech?

I don't know. The next generation, which will just hopefully obliterate all our bad mistakes. Yes. You know, cause we're living in a wild times. Whoa. I don't think people are aware that again, we did have a civil war not so long ago in the grand scheme of like how long people have been around. Yeah.

It's terrifying. Yeah. I do think we are a little like numb or desensitized. Yeah. Which happened in Europe a while ago, too. What happened around then? I don't know. Nothing bad, probably.

The Thicket in theaters. September. Okay, I know you have plenty of things to do. We are so grateful for your time. Anything before you leave, any like lasting last thoughts? You gave this great speech at your college and I thought it was really cool. You wanted that, you wanted more of that.

No, I don't, I wanted exactly what you gave today, because I- Director Schultz, let's go. No, just because, just hanging out with you, I was like, oh, I hope we get the guy that I hung out with, which I thought you gave us, which was awesome. Get rid of these cameras. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I thought you brought it, even with the cameras.

But I really thought that you had some great advice for these kids, and it felt like you actually really cared about your college. I don't think a lot of people care about their college experience, but I thought you did. Yeah, I really don't. And I thought it was really cool. And it wasn't impactful to you, but you fucking enjoyed it.

No, I'm saying I didn't enjoy my college. I wouldn't, come on. No, your college. You didn't enjoy going. But it felt like you valued your time at your school. I wish I did. I wish I valued my time in high school more. Interesting. But it's, hindsight is 20-20. We all have very grats. But no, I just, it's just, again, they look, they are all so young and it's like, wow, that's such a, it's such a, you're at such a fork in the road at that age.

Yeah. And you can go down any number of paths and I was just trying to speak to don't worry about making mistakes. I thought yeah you know because mistakes are everything they're maybe more important than like things that you don't think are mistakes. Fail fail again. Yeah yeah I got that tattoo on my back. Wait, really? Yeah Beckett my favorite writer. Yeah, it's all about like failing and what is it? Ever tried ever failed It's just fail again, but fail better Because there's no like perfection. It's just failing better

That's what we do for a living. We just we still we just trust that every time out of the gates We're gonna make something great, but it's all about failing better Yeah, you know and it sounds cynical, but it's really not just about Failing better and you keep on feeling better and I like that contradiction of terms to what do you mean failing better? Yes? Yes, yeah, if the expectation is almost like hey, this is this might not work out But it might work a little better than the last time you tried. Yeah, yeah, and differently too. But again, it's all about just faith in each other and all that stuff.

Yeah. Peter Dinklage, everybody. Elliot Lester, everybody. Elliot Lester, Peter Dinklage, The Thicket. And we would love it if you guys went and watched The Thicket. Don't watch The Thicket. Also go watch it, but we would love it if you guys go check watched The Thicket. Don't watch The Thicket. Also go watch it, but we would love it if you guys go check it out. Go check it out in theaters. These guys are absolutely amazing.

They let me be in this really beautiful, cool movie. So thank you so much. And thank you so much for taking the time. I know this is rare for you, but this is awesome. No, thanks.