Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Roasting Met Gala, Last of Us goes Gay, & F1 is IS America

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

YERRR – no guest this week, just the boys cookin’ on everything from HBO's greatness to red carpet chaos. We’re talkin’ Last of Us theories, F1 races (and why it might be the best live event ever), recent Padel problems, Met Gala madness, and then Professor Gagnon breaks down Burkina Faso at the end. All that and way more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 00:00 Intro + Mark v Vala rivalry 5:01 The Last of Us's New Love Story & Film industry trends in general 14:52 Who does Anime represent? 19:35 Last of Us Love Scene Problems 24:11 Portnoy defends restaurant & wants to send people to Auschwitz 26:03 Mark's tour 28:44 Is that really Seal’s kid? 32:49 F1 is the greatest live sport 46:43 Jelly Roll is incredible + Schulz hanging with celebs 50:53 Judging the Met Gala looks 1:05:32 Black people conspiracies + Elmo’s Black 1:12:53 Burkina Faso Coup + Shackles of Colonialism 1:26:20 Bukele + Latina America getting their get back 1:35:10 Authoritarianism, Bukele’s Snow + Looking after Homebase 1:45:56 Trump is blatant with his + No more curtains 1:50:49 Vietnam tore down the curtain 1:54:23 Rat experiment + Sperm epigenetics 2:02:18 Counter-points to the rat experiment Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I played with Mark the other day. Paddle? Yeah. Sanchez? Pure ass. What's interesting is Al might not have been the weakest link. Vala wasn't bad. So Vala's still the worst?

No, Vala plays every day. There's no way. Oh, god. Oh, god. He's got his watches and be crushing. He's been working so hard. I know. I know.

He plays all the time. He's on group chats. He's developing paddle culture stuff. And you have a baby. You take take seven months off and you wipe the floor Damage to one of his legs is that present at all when he was playing? Here I wish you was No market suckin shit, he said busted your ass in paddle First of all, I won with everyone I played with.

That's not true. He played with Al and they got bagel. No, no, he lost six-two because it was Al. I said he was full. No, no, no. Mark said he came on the pod and he goes, I think Vala has nerve damage in both legs. That's what he said.

I did not say I'm Vala. That's fucked up. And he knew you weren't gonna be here, so he knew you could talk shit without you doing your act outs. Yeah, that's right. I didn't want I'm Vala. That's fucked up. And he knew you weren't gonna be here, so he knew you could talk shit without you doing your act outs. Yeah, that's right. I said, let's set it up. When I'm back on Wednesday, let's set it up.

All right, dude, we'll set it up. All right. We'll love you, bye. Bye, Vala. Damn, you and Vala got like an interesting rivalry. What's that about, you think? I think... Wait, wait, wait.

Chifty. Chifty is not allowed to have joy today. Shifty, we're being sad and bitter today. Yes, that's right. Shifty's about to have the youngest hip and leg transplant in history, something Vos should have done two decades ago. And today is our bitter sad day. And then once we process all this bitter and sadness, we move on.

But if you find Shifty laughing throughout the episode, we have to stop the pilot and acknowledge it. Yo, but do it after the summertime Don't do it now. Wait, what do you mean? What do you mean? Hey, he's in chronic pain Walk it off for a year. He got hit by a car twice this fucking idiot Brian Thompson again? Yeah, 100% He's about to go at him for what I'm telling you Shifty!

No more Joy! Can we get a cam on Shifty? Can we get a Joy cam on Shifty? He does have a Luigi vibe, doesn't he? Shifty's got super Luigi-coded energy Oh shit, I see it He does kind of look like it Okay, Shifty, can you tell us why you were giggling when I said that Vala and Mark have a little rivalry?

Can you tell us that, please? In the most sad, sardonic way possible Mark, you remember when you crushed Vala and Mark have a little rivalry, can you tell us that please? In the most sad sardonic way possible. Mark, you remember when you crushed Vala's sushi in front of him? Wait, what happened? We were filming that video for the Toronto promo and we're all eating out there and Vala said something smart to you and you didn't have a slick comeback or anything, so you just took your thumb and he was eating sushi and he was all happy and you mushed his sushi. So you just took your thumb and he was eating sushi and he was all happy and you mushed his

Went from laughing like ha ha to truly serious Sometimes you don't need to put your palm on somebody's sushi platter and it works just as good. Oh no, Mark. You could become a tyrant. Vala always starts it. I don't like this idea that I'm bullying Vala. Vala. Mark said he mushed your sushi one day, you didn't do shit. said he must just sushi one day you didn't do shit. Mark said he walked up to your sushi platter and he put his thumb in your spicy tuna roll and mush it and you did nothing you sat there and took it. No, no, no, I've been waiting for him to have a kid so I can push this.

Damn bro! You didn't have to go full Pakistan on it. I know, so... He just... He just gossaged your kids. Damn bro! Why you going after the kids? Damn! I gotta hang up before this shit gets too serious.

Jesus! We were just having fun! This guy went nuclear! You can't... Hey listen! Free Kashmir bro! I get it now Hindustan. I get it now, Hindustan. Damn. Damn, bro. What the fuck? It was a while, dude. He's still upset about that sushi mush.

He ain't upset about that sushi. Yeah. Love 40, bro. That's me and Vala's whole relationship. What is it? You had a love 40? Yeah, just in life. You know what I mean? It's just love 40. I'm just a point away from decimating. Yo, that is so tough. It's just love 40. I'm just a point away from specimening it. Yo, that is so tough. It's just Love 40. That is so...

I was 90 years. Oh, man, that is a bar, though. I am going to use that. I think it's 40 love, though. You're serving, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a good point. It's okay. I have to do that.

I mean, Love 40 doesn't sound like he's losing. Yeah, yeah, but it was still fun. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. But obviously, now that everybody listens to the podcast, it's a, Yeah, but it was still fun. We got it, we got it. We got it, we got it. But obviously now that everybody listens to the podcast is a paddle of fish and hot dogs. Exactly.

I might be confused about that. Oh, guys. Okay, so what was gayer last night, Last of Us or the Met Gala? What do you wanna talk about? Oh, well can you explain Last of Us? Yo, can I tell you something about this? So the video game was gay They had like a lesbian thing in it and you had to do them the mission gay you have to do it

They don't shift it you're laughing and feeling joyful again, I don't like you laughing feeling joyful Are you upset that the TV show is accurate to the game? And they know why I'm upset? You're the first thing you break up. What was more gay? The Macalagher show. But I might be positive. Look how gay the world is. Yes, finally. Yeah. Okay. Look at how gay he's sitting. Yeah, look at me. You think I'm going to be upset at gay shit? 40 love, suck it.

40 love sucks. No, like, okay, so I had a thought about it while watching The Last of Us because I played the video game, it was obviously very traumatic for me when the little lesbian girl started making out and having sex. Because I've known Ellie the character since she was a teenager. I don't want to watch this girl. It's like a daughter to me, practically. And now she's a fully grown lesbian and she's just fingering somebody dirty, down on horseback, for four days no shower.

There's a lot of things going on. Also, they didn't need to show the fingering scene. That was a little much. I know I'm becoming an old man She's not even a seasoned lesbian like doesn't even unbuckle her belt. What does she do? She's like pulling at the jeans trying to stop the hand underneath Ristas all caught it's crazy like a puppet Anyway, so yes, I was watching and I'm curious you guys thought it is. Sorry, you can't do that. Anyway, so yeah, so I was watching it,

and I'm curious what you guys thought of it. OK, you know how Hollywood, OK, Hollywood wants to make money. We understand this is the point of Hollywood, right? And then sometimes there's virtuous people caught up in every industry and they start putting justifications on their actions, like we all do, that make them seem a little bit more benevolent. Right, fair enough. So, but in my experience, Hollywood is very reactive.

Like a movie about ice skating does really well, there'll be five more ice skating movies. Right, horror movies do well, they go, okay, horror is in. Horror rated comedy does well, okay, let's make horror rated comedy. So, what I think is happening with the, you call it DI, or like trans stories, or gay stories, whatever it is, what I think is happening with like the the do you call di or you know, like trans stories or gay stories?

Whatever it is like what I think has happened is there was some very brave filmmakers like brokeback mountain That could have been a huge fucking flop. Mm-hmm, right you put this movie out there like hold on gay cowboys Like who's gonna go watch this and despite the fact that it could have been a huge flop They the actors in it were brave for doing it It's not like there's like all this reward for doing a gay scene. At the time, like you could look at those characters and be like, ah, they're gay now. I don't want to see them in action movies. It might lose your role in Hollywood.

It's courageous. Okay. The movie, just as a theory, movie does really well because it's a good movie, but it's also like brave and courageous, right? The Hollywood industry reacts and goes, oh, that makes money, let's do the gay shit. And then the executives lower level start going, we have to share these marginalized stories, we have to do it. And they might actually believe that shit. But at the top, they're just reacting to whatever's successful. Once the top is forcing in stories that they don't actually really care about,

they're just doing it to make money, the people see it as forced. If it's an authentic, pure story, it doesn't matter if it's gay or not, or it's DEI or not, like Jordan Poole's shit isn't DEI, we just like it because it's cool. Jordan Peele, right? Yeah, yeah.

Poole, sorry, Jordan, yeah. Pool, sorry. Jordan, yeah, my bad, Jordan. One of them is really good. So Jordan's Peel stories really work because they're like authentic, right? And the crowd reacts to it because they're authentic. It doesn't feel forced. When the forced shit happens, we go, ah, this is stupid. And then we find reasons, we justify the blame why it sucks.

We're like, oh, this is DI this is no No, it's just inauthentic. It's late Yeah, and it's no longer rebellious. It's no longer shocking. It's no longer different. It just feels like they're cashing in on this idea Here's the problem When the tech industry wants to like cure cancer they do it for money and they're very open about it They're like we think we can make money curing cancer Like this drug might help it or whatever it is. We can use AI to like locate it early and then remove it, whatever. If it can't make money, they're like, all right, we can't deploy cash

towards that. Hollywood has already made their bed with we're doing this because it's important to share marginalized stories. Once those stories stop making money, the execs at the top are like, damn, we already told everybody we're doing this because it's beneficial to the world. When in reality, we're just doing it to make money. So now we can't exactly pivot off of it too fast because then it's going to expose the lie that we were doing this for some benevolent reason in the first place. Thoughts? Yeah. I mean, Bezos has a quote where he, it went viral on Twitter recently, where he was like in order to get outsized gains you have to bat against conventional wisdom.

So like if you go against the grain you're going to strike out nine times, but if you hit it you have potentially a thousand extra reward. So I think that happens in the film industry where going against conventional wisdom, let's make a gay cowboy movie, it goes crazy and then of course everyone chases. I think that happens in every industry. To bring that up now though, This is the game. They're being accurate. I'm actually saying the game is not a good example. Okay. But it gave me it just gave me like an idea about the industry in general. But you're

not saying that this episode of Last of Us felt force. No, no, no, no. When I first played the game, I'm sure we can look back at it, and I probably have a completely different opinion than I have right now. Hypocrisy. It's me, it's hypocrisy, yeah. But like, when I played the game, I was like, is this forced? Are they trying to be progressive?

Has it always been a kind of progressive pushing show? Like, was the video game industry very scrutinized? Like, what was happening at the time when it came out, Shifty? Do you remember? Like, with the reaction of it? Yeah. I mean, it hadn't really happened to have like, the character, like a main woman character

be gay like that in a video game. Because I remember kind of like around this time, remember there was this big thing in video games where they were super sexist and this was like tangentially related to me too, and like they were over-sexualized, et cetera. So it was the complete opposite. But also the dudes-

So it was rebellious, you could make sense. Yeah, the dudes were gay before that though, right? Who? In Last of Us. Oh, they had the gay dudes, but in Last of Us, it wasn't that big a deal. Right, it was like kind of subtle. It was barely even mentioned.

And then the episode they made out of it was fucking incredible. Right. And I think that was also transformed. They just made a dope episode. And we all liked it and it felt authentic, it didn't feel forced. So here's the unfortunate thing.

You do something that's no longer rebellious, it becomes the norm, and it feels inauthentic. And then there are people that are creating authentic stories that are like that. But unfortunately, because everything around it feels so inauthentic, it gets jumbled into it. So, while this was a rebellious story to tell in video games, five years ago or seven years ago whenever they started writing it, now because of the trend around forced diversity, it can get looped into that. Which is unfair to that because it's authentic to the game. I think it happens, like you mentioned the medical industry.

I think they also sometimes couch stuff in flowery language to make it seem like, oh, our mission is someone in my family had cancer, and so we're doing cancer research, da da da. Yeah. And it's like, OK, it might be that also. Again, it's hard to judge people's internal intentions. But there's also the financial component, obviously. Yes.

So I think every industry, their motivation is ultimately financial. But they will kind think every industry, like, their motivation is ultimately financial, but they will kind of frame stuff and like, oh, our brand statement is, you know, make people fit or make people smarter, but it's like, okay, it's that plus money. I wonder if they were honest about it from the jump, like they are about different genres of film. Like if R-rated comedies are popping,

and then a bunch of other R-rated comedies come out, it's like they're like, yeah, this is really successful right now, so we're trying to do that. And then when they pivot away from it, we're not upset because they're not going, it is important for us to promote comedy at an R-rated level and dirty words are good and all these other virtuous things. I get it, but it would really undercut whatever thing they're putting out if they're like, oh, we're doing this, we're telling you in advance, we're only doing this because it's working.

You're right. They have to give us a little bit of a lie. I also don't think that these studios are like ideologically like consolidated. Well, there's one ideology. I think that they, I think they're bringing in different people. So like you'll have these like the executives and the, you know, the finance people, the number of people that are obviously, okay, we want to make money, make sure it's profitable. But then they're like, okay, let's bring in some creatives that are living in a car, you know, that are just making these beautiful movies, and they probably don't

give a shit. And then they're amalgamating this group of people at all different strengths. So I think that, you know, obviously stratifying it, you have people that just care about the money, but then you have people that are like, no, I care about only the mission and then they butt heads and then hopefully they make a good product. Or you start like finding people that can execute the types of stories that you think are profitable. Yeah, that's what they do.

Right. But you're specifically choosing them. Exactly. But then those people are not- But those people are authentic about the way that they create. Exactly. They're not, I guess, lying when they're out there being like, no, we need to make this story because this is important to me in my life. They were just picked because that is what their mission is. Right, yeah. And then the studio brings them in and says,

okay, let's make a film. Yeah, yeah, it's just an interesting way that like, once a trend starts, you see everything that's created through that lens. We talked about it a lot even with like the Disney ship back in the day, like none of us thought about diversity and Disney was wildly diverse back in the day. Like Aladdin, the first thing that we're watching

is there's no white people. And none of us were like, where are the white people? I thought they were white. Yeah, I get it. Right? Like, someone had to tell, Akash was like, I really related to Aladdin because it was the first brown person.

I was like, who was brown in Aladdin? He was like, yeah! I was like, Aladdin was like me, wasn't he? The genie? Like, I had no clue who was brown in that movie. Yeah. But Mulan didn't feel like, I know it was Asian, but it didn't feel like, oh, we need to give you an Asian story so that the Chinese market will buy it

and we can make billions of dollars. I watch anime. Are the characters white or is that what Asians think they look like? You know, the eyes are too big to be, like, part of... You're making a good point because the eyes are cartoonishly big, which is not what they're known for. And so why would all their characters not represent them? Look at those eyes.

It feels like they're making fun of white people. Doesn't it? Yeah, these round-eyed motherfuckers. And maybe they think we have superpowers because of the nukes or something. That's possible. Oh, let's look It is odd that a lot of their fucking characters in animes. Oh, well, there is that that colorism shit Mmm, right in Asian culture, but which I don't even think you can be the fair skinned Asians

But oh you think that they look white even outside of yeah I got you. Okay in street fighter was was ryu White to you. Yeah, right and his brother was white ken is obviously white. Yeah, but was ryu white I in my head. Yes, but I think his origin story was he was half white. Which was ryu The main one the guy that guy. Jesus christ. What the fuck was your child? You have to understand street fighter for us Oh, that guy? Jesus Christ, what the fuck was your child? No, no, it's not big mistake. Street Fighter? You have to understand, Street Fighter for us. The fuck? I was playing Mortal Kombat.

I was playing Mortal Kombat. So that's the thing. And I'm surprised even you weren't more Mortal Kombat. No, I had cousins. So you were playing, yeah, Street Fighter was like the OG game. Mortal Kombat introduced blood. Yeah. And blood was like so badass. That was like the rebellious thing. But you. Mortal Kombat introduced blood. Yeah. And blood was like so badass.

That was like the rebellious thing. But you had to have code. Yeah. And like, Loki, you know who did that too? The NHL video game. You could make their head bleed. Oh really? If you drop mitts, you could fight?

Yeah, you fought and then you could make some, there was that scene in Swingers, like make him bleed, make his head bleed. What's wrong with us even as kids were like? You get to murder the person in the gorgeous way Blitz oh yeah, I could break the legs and shit. It was like It would slow down showing x-ray and the leg would fucking snap What's wrong with us? Oh, you're just scarred. Oh

and snap. Yeah. What's wrong with us? Remember that TV show, Scarred? Oh, I couldn't watch that. I couldn't watch that. No, I couldn't watch that. The whole show was just people breaking their bones. No, that show, fully.

It was just like, what's up, guys? Welcome back to Scarred. And then a guy would like hit a 10-step rail grind and then snap his leg bone sticks out. You know what it was? It was the closest thing to a TikTok scroll. Yeah. Oh. Like that was a TikTok scroll for that time.

Yeah. Where it was like 30 second video, something horrible happens. Next one, 30 second video, something horrible. That's what the America's Funniest Home Videos is too. When you think about it. That's TikTok. Is that what the soup was for? I think whatever it is.

The soup. Yeah. Sorta. It was like reality show where it was was I think talk show back in the day Yeah, and he would just sort of go over the news like quickly. Yeah, that's interesting It was just more like he would react to it a little bit more. But yeah, huh? It's funny We're watching the same content Back in a day. Yeah, it never changes never there's a gay character in Mortal Kombat. I think can you pull a Waldo?

I think that was his name. Did you ever play Mortal Kombat? Yeah, but I don't remember there's Waldo. Bro, he was like a BDSM guy. I've been homophobic for quite a while. You played that one? I swear to God. Make him bleed that way.

Bro, me and my dad used to play this and I would pick him. My dad would be like, why'd you pick him? I feel like I'm- That's crazy. I don't even remember this guy. I never saw that. That's how much of a blockbuster. I remember being embarrassed because I picked him and my dad was like, why? And I was like- You would pick him. I don't even remember this guy. I never saw that I remember being embarrassed cuz I picked him and my dad was like why and I was like, I don't know I thought his hands are cool. He's got good attack. Vol don't know scorpion rapier. Yeah, there was

What was the other guy? Siegfried was one with it. What what with the giant sword Bro so do crush me in the meeting room. I still kind of want to know what that one is Now some guys like bro on the pod y'all guys about Putin I was like, bro, on the pod, y'all gotta talk about Putin. I was like, what Putin? Yeah. So I got Charlamagne with the Justin Thoreau one. That's a real guy. That's a great one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wait, who's this? Oh, these are all the guys. I don't even think you played Mortal Kombat. What do you mean? Who's this? Oh, no, no. Soul Calibur. I was playing Soul Calibur too.

No, Mark, stop it. I've been on fighting games more than y'all is what I'm saying. No, you haven't. Yes, I have, dude. You did like pillow fights since you were in the... I was playing Soul Calibur. I was playing Soul Calibur. I was playing Soul Calibur. I've been on fighting games more than y'all is what than you always want say no you haven't yes, I have you did like pillow fights And not taking off the belt before you finger girl, what kind of insane thing is that? What kind of insane thing is that? Really? That's what you're saying?

Son, son, son, son, son, son, son. A parallel finger. Go, do it, do it. Literally, this is exactly, she goes from on top of him, I'm going to do it lefty, she could just take off the belt, right? Hey, this is tasty. What, guys? This is workplace harassment.

Listen, I'm trying to teach, I'm trying to teach Ali how to figure a bad bitch, okay, because you can dress just like Dina. You got the same outfit. That's where the apocalypse ends. We need to pillow fight immediately, bro. I mean, you just took your belt off really quickly, and you ain't even budged, too. You was just gonna let him go.

You saw me do that one-handed, right? I know. That was sick. Come on, smooth. If I move his gape, that means I'm scared, you know what I mean? Let me play underwear to the side. Yeah, you should be. Let your fucking meat fall out. See, can you do that?

Is grab the boxers from here and scoop up and just let the meat fall out. Oh, that'd be sick. That's kinda smart. What do you think? Why are we switching to blue chew lights? Yeah. I don't know.

Those are rainbow lights. Oh. Oh, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Also guys, tour dates, June 19th and through 21st, from being in Salt Lake City at Wise Guys. All those dates and plenty more at akashsingh.com. Now let's get back to the show. Hold on a second, don't skip forward guys,

cause this is the world's fastest ad read. My name's Mark, I'm coming to America. We got Raleigh, North Carolina, Poughkeepsie, Portland, Fort Worth, Austin, Stanford, Philly, Leviton, Chandler and San Diego more dates to come You can get it at my website markgagnonlive.com Anyway, last of us best show on fucking TV. It's incredible. Yo HBO on a run right now They just announced Squid Game's coming back June 27th. HBO? HBO? It's Netflix. Yeah. Whatever, it's all the same. Why are you retelling? Yo, HBO's on over.

Run, man. Let's go. You know when they put out this movie, Sin is the End of Dead. The show says the TV is HBO. Honestly, the script is HBO. If the script is HBO, you cannot tell me. I was watching the Knicks game on HBO X. It says what? It's crazy. Did you see the story I can act? It was insane. If the script is HBO, you could not tell me. I was watching a Knicks game on HBO X. What? It's crazy. Did you see the story I can actually say?

It was insane. That was an epic fail right there, man. God damn, did I get that one wrong. And I really wanted to give credit to HBO. I was like, they're back. Y'all are doing nothing besides lesbian finger scenes for no reason in the middle of a Last of Us episode. So if it was a dude and she was giving a handi...

Son, son, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. She just announced she's pregnant, right? She goes, I'm pregnant. They start fucking, and she's immediately trying to abort that fucking thing. Nobody... Look at that! Look at it! She got the rhinestone belt on! Oh. Don't she look too young? They're too young-looking.

Yo, come on. Why are you guys just saying stuff? Oh, wait, my bad. She did un barely got two digits in there get out of here Do come on apocalypse you fight through bush, there's no way That's just 100 yeah, yeah, that's crazy. You know, I just morning of burning me right Okay, so I'm gonna go with the No way. She got a UT on her shirt. That's just so- 100! Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. You know, I'm just mourning a burning man right there. Look at this right there. Fucking dirty shit. Whoa. Look at this, look at this.

And then they go for it. Wait a minute, immediately she's like, Finger me! I don't think she unbuckles that belt. I don't see any unbuckling. Nah, you just- No, the belt's not unbuckled. You just hate it because she did it so smooth, you ain't catching it. The belt has not been off.

Oh, she is herself. She's jumping it all off. Look at that. She is herself. What fucking show are you watching? Yeah, bro. I'm not gonna leave, bro. You're not gonna take to leave. I'm off. Hey, I'm off. Hey, I'm washed. I'm still letting you know I'm washed.

I thought I knew something and I don't. Your whole fucking anger was because you ain an unbuckled new pad. In the video game she undoes the belt and in this one I hit double X for belt. I was spamming X to get the belt off. I got nothing. I'm wrong. Not a cuddle at the end was crazy though. You didn't even get your shit off. Oh this is the video game version?

Oh hell yeah. Look at the most watched. Go to most watched. That big one. Look at this. Oh they made the Spanish chick ugly in the game. She had gay energy the whole time though. It's like not shocking that she's gay. Which one, Ellie or Dina? I don't know about Dina. I haven't seen the show.

Shut up. I hate you. I don't know about Dina. I haven't seen the show. Tell us about Burkina Faso or some shit, man. They did a video game about that. That shit is great. I'm gonna tell Dave Portnoy to send you to Auschwitz too, bro. Yo, Dave Portnoy sending people to Auschwitz. Oh, go now, go now. Okay. He's sending people to Auschwitz, bro. Yeah, true. Of all times ago, now is probably the better time.

Do you get to to can you extend? Like, could you stay and then like just chill in Warsaw for a minute? Get a B&B? And smoke Poles? Yeah, that can be sick. I mean, because apparently Warsaw is like a good fun time. Oh, yeah. I saw a girl on some TikTok. She's from Poland. I've seen the same one. I've seen the same one. I've seen the exact same one.

We're on the same algorithm. The hottest one you've ever seen. I'm a six in Poland. And she's like, I'm a ten in the United States. I'm a six in Poland. I've seen the exact same one. We're all on the same algorithm. The hottest one you've ever seen. I'm a six in Poland, and she's like, I'm a 10 in the United States. I'm a six in Poland. I was like, you're a what in Poland? Wait, because you gotta pull this up. Is she more a six or more a 10?

Which one? She's a legit 10 that calls herself a six in Poland. You know all about this. Stop acting like you. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Get out.

Can I frown a little bit? Get out. I'm trying to act. What is Poland? God damn it! There's white women in Poland? You're shit bro! You're dumber than a polar! I was a 6 in America and a 10 in Poland! I can't!

That was mean! That's because he's a mean guy! He just called you dumb! Yeah because he's pretending he's a gay guy! He's just pretending he's a gay guy! I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this.

I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this.

I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this.

I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm not at how you're doing this. That's right. He's a little bitter. He went to Atlanta. I called you handsome and he went, what? No, I'm reacting because we're not doing this right now. I was making fun of him for being dumb. You made fun of Vol for having no legs. You made fun of Al for not being good looking. I'm the nicest guy and everyone's trying to make me a bully. No, you're a piece of shit.

Whenever you have to say it, the nicest guy has to be jar. What happened this weekend, bro? What happened, bro? Yeah, he's bitter. Something happened. Something happened. Where was the show? Charleston and Atlanta. Charleston, South Carolina. Charleston, South Carolina. And then Atlanta.

Isn't that where Val is from? Nope. No. Where is he from? Pakistan. Pakistan. I'm from Virginia. Oh, Virginia. Yeah. Okay, that's about right. Go.

So what happened? The shows were wonderful. No issues at all. What black guy hurt you? Did the black I heard you No heckled or something no, they were wonderful is technically an alpharetta which is not Atlanta apparently Yeah, I told many people Atlanta and it was just I lied. Yeah, I mean it's close and it's all that's Like how big is Atlanta? Extremely go a little outside of Atlanta and it's a way different town. No, of course. I'm just saying like it's you would say that you're in greater Atlanta.

No, of course. It's freezing. What is the goal? Have we spent too little on air conditioning this month? Is that the goal? Do we have a quota? It's freezing. Because if we don't spend it, we don't get it back.

Miles has a full hoodie on. Imagine what we're feeling like. We're getting blasted by the AC. He does it sometimes we would do a nice dinner I had steaks in the night. He just had a hoodie my head hurts and for some reason wearing a hood makes it feel better I don't know why I diagnosed that vaccine Yeah, let's look at what a 6 in Poland looks like. In Poland, solid 6, but in America, solid 10. Okay, do you think other people would agree?

I hope. I mean, pause. If that's a 6 in Poland, they're doing everything right with the immigration policies. You don't want to water that down. Like you got a really good thing going and you don't want to water that down. Is that, what is that? What I just said? It's on the line.

Sounds a little xenophobic. Yeah, sounds a little bit. Can you be xenophobic for the sake of the attractiveness of your people? Because you can't guarantee every immigrant coming in is gonna be a 10 out of 10. Unless you vet them. If you vet them based on looks, then you go, okay, this is great. And so there's an app where everyone can just vet, and if you're above a 7'2", then you get to come in.

But if you mix that with a little melanin? If it's the right melanin. That's... If it's the right melanin. You got a bunch of seals coming in. No disrespect to obviously Seal, incredibly talented singer. You know what I mean? Speaking of singer, he performed that fucking, where were we at, Liv?

I'm like damn. Kiss the Rose? It's been allowed one song. That's a bang. It is, it is. All time banger. Damn, how can you hold on to it? Shut it down though, right?

Yeah. You really need one. You need one hit. He looked like he got kissed by the thorns. I can't be the first person to send that joke. I could not be the first person. He kissed the stem of that rose a few times before he made it to the petals. He was there with his daughter's 21st birthday and they show his daughter and it's like, I don't think that's his daughter's 21st birthday and they show his daughter it's like I don't think

that's his daughter. Beautiful. Yeah but I mean she's her complexion. I'm like Seal is way too dark to come out with check. I'm standing on it. Nah, Seal, you need 18 years backing that buddy. That's not true. Yo, I ain't got you, kid. That shit is not him. That's with Heidi Klum. Yo, shout out, Seal.

Obviously, Seal, we're joking. We're joking, of course. He had an acid attack or something, right? Like, there was. He had lupus. What do you have? He had lupus. Oh, come on. It's a medical issue.

Oh, come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. An acid attack. Joey put in the notes. This is not Two-Face Roadshow. Joey put in the notes.

He put in the notes. Jesus. It was not my fault. It was Joey's fault. But look at that. That's his daughter. Joey put in the notes. What? That's his daughter. All right, we gotta look at that daughter! Joey put in the notes. What? That's his daughter!

Alright, we gotta look at it. Alright! There we go! That shit don't make sense! No, we gotta look into it. Her face ain't even scarred. Seal has discoid lupus, a form of lupus that mainly affects the skin causing coin-shaped lesions and scarring. Don't even do it, Mark. Don't even do it. While not as severe as systemic lupus, which can affect organs, discoid lupus can still have a significant impact on a person's

life. Seals openly discusses, I swear, I thought he was... You need to apologize so much. I am sorry, I thought the story was he was a homeless guy and he was burned with acid. Was he homeless? Did I make that part up too? I think he was a sterling artist. No, black people, poor girl. I'm not gonna joke with you. No, he was homeless. He was homeless. He thinking this is Madea or something. Was he homeless? Was he fucking homeless?

Yes. Okay, singer Seal. Born Seal, Christopher Smith. Sandra Bullock adopted him. If you was wrong on this one too, you would have to leave. Okay, he experienced homelessness during his youth. At 15, he ran away and spent time couch surfing with friends or staying in homeless hostels. Okay? Yes. Where he was later, attacked with acid. That's not what it says.

It is, AI overview. Attacked and he chose to live on the streets letting his ass Heal on his own look at the bottom though It says you can watch this video and learn more about a Navy SEAL who joined the French Foreign Legion What does that have to do with seal? Also, I might be right. Okay, so I might be right Al Seal adopted one of Heidi Klum's daughters Depending on the one you were seeing

When racism works out Seal adopted one of Heidi Kloom's daughters depending on the one you were seeing What a great guy now I think I actually feel guilty about what I've said. You should I feel he's a nice guy Is this a good father saying life you like flight his country or some shit now now now I think now Let's find out you're doing now. Let's double check. You're doing squid game. That's just who you're doing squid game Did he flee his country if you're mixing up with Francis and gone? Oh,'s going to be very... He was born in London. But where does he live now? In America. Fled his country. Mark, take the L, Mark!

No, he fled England. Mark, take the L! He was in England. He left. Mark, if you don't take the L, we'll never learn. Well, banger of a performance, man. He killed it. Shout out to his family. Yeah, man. He killed it. Shout out to his family. Shout out to his family. Beautiful daughter. Beautiful daughter.

Formula One, greatest live sporting event in existence. He said this about WWE two weeks ago. Prisoner of the moment. They call me a prisoner of the moment. Formula One is the greatest live sporting event in existence. No, it's not. Name a better one. Everything.

Formula one, wait two minutes. You can't watch the sport. I could not. No, listen, we look at this. If you want to see peak athleticism, look at this. Look at that tire change. This is in slow mo, by the way. I look at the.

Oh yeah. What am I doing? You're such a dad. What am I doing? You are such a dad. Like how does it? Okay, now go to the next one. This, this right here is I'll never live this down.

I don't know what the fuck. Like it looked painful. Son, you're cool. I've watched that video a hundred times. The guy that I'm talking to has a very thick German accent. When a white guy with a thick German accent extends a hand, I'm assuming fucking handshake or he's, you know. So it's one of those two.

I'm not assuming he's going for the dap at all. If you notice, at the last second, he brings his hand up. Obviously he felt my aura. He was trying to match my aura. He's like, there's no way a guy this cool and this athletic and good at doing things he's never done before could possibly go for a tap up. Watch it one more time. I want you to focus on his hand.

There is something, there is something happening. You would have missed it. By a mile. By a mile. By a mile. Yeah. By a mile. But he had like right there.

So now I'm, I've got the glasses on, I'm feeling very excited. There's a lot of fumes. This is like chef fuel we're basically working with. Yeah. Now this is the other angle, which I think shows how quick we put the tire back on and how stupid I look at celebrating.

I don't know what I did. I wish I could justify what I did. I think I was looking for people to like high five and everybody was like, this is pretty normal. So I was just like, okay, I'll just keep on doing karate. You never lose more Italian. It's the most Italian thing. You're like, you celebrated like you won.

I beat the other guy. I beat the other guy. I beat the other guy. Who's a professional. They feel like last. The other cars are faster. So basically, Stake, this car, next year Audi takes over and Audi's going to build its own engine and they hope in four years they'll be able to be at the top. But right now they buy a Ferrari engine.

And who knows what Ferrari gives them. They'll probably give them some fucking Fugezi shit. And there's no way to check on it, but there is probably a fugazi from far So of course if you're getting an engine that they purposely, you know We give the shitty fighter planes to like the middle eastern countries. That's what far is probably doing us So all the teams like them the builds of their cards are secret Yeah, yeah secret, but then there's like certain standards that you have to uphold and you can call the other ones out for it So there's dude, okay, it's like why don't you just copy the best cars?

That's what they try to do but like the tiniest little wind resistance thing can change everything God, so there's a game of like milliseconds. The reason why I said it was the best event that I've ever seen Obviously we had like this unparalleled access. It's like ridiculous what we got to see like it's a different experience. I get it but it brings out this like Juvenile part in you that when you hear the sound of the cars. Oh, yeah. Oh I don't know what I never thought I had that in me to be like room. I was saying Like as it go by you see my mouth go So it brings out this childish nature in you.

And you're literally looking at a rocket ship on the ground. That's what it is. Feeling that power pass, it is something. Were you able to go to any good turns where they would do the passing? Not really. I was just the paddock area. So that's the one thing I would think

that they could work out better with the sport. Because when you watch them drive by you, it is fucking miraculous. Especially when it's raining, they're shooting up all this rain and there's zero visibility. I was asking the driver, I was like, can you see anything? And he was like, no, not really. And I'm like, how are you driving? He goes, we kind of have the tracks memorized. So you're kind of like in like a flow state.

So you're reacting, you can see like the lights in the car in front of you go red for braking, so you know it's kind of time to brake, but he's like, visibility is almost zero when it's raining. And them setting each other up to do these passes. And you know, like, there's a guy who just had a kid three days ago, Max Verstappen, right? So there's a little part of you going like, oh, he's going to be a little safe today. And you're like, no, he's not. He's like, cutting people off. If you wanna pass me, we're both gonna crash, or you're not gonna pass me.

Wow. You had a kid three days ago. Do they do any like, pageantry shit, where like, they start the engines all at the same time, or like a flyover? The whole thing is pageantry. They had a fucking car flyover. I got to do this walk, where you like, walk,

and I'm just, in the walk is just every all these famous people and that kind of stuff and everybody is submitting to the excellence of the cars. Nobody's doing the walk like I'm the thing to see here. Everybody's doing the walk like oh wow that's that machine that cost 300 million dollars to make that's that day it's just it's just pure excess it's like everything Americans should like and nothing Europeans should like. Like this is popular in Europe, but it shouldn't be. Like Europeans should revolt. They should be like, all this money spent on this,

we should put it towards healthcare and like feeding the homeless and giving them housing. Like we're talking about $300 to $500 million a car. Yeah, it should be just Russian shit and American shit. We're the only ones that actually care about and for whatever reason it doesn't like we have NASCAR But NASCAR feels more working-class. They're driving like police cars The cars don't look fancy. You got fake headlights on. Yeah, it's like do they really? Yeah, cuz they're not driving at night So why do you need headlights? Yeah, they got painted on headlights. It's all one car body in NASCAR. That's so funny.

They all have the same car bodies, just stickers. You make them look different. Stock car. Stock car. I mean, it was just, I'm no bullshit. And I am a prisoner of the moment, I admit it. It was the coolest thing that I've ever fucking seen live as a sport. I still don't know if the drivers do anything.

Like there's a little part of me that's like, if you put me in the best car, I could probably beat the worst car. Me. You don't think that? Not at all. I think the drivers have like psycho. Yeah, because you have to be willing to go at those speeds. Look at this. And you're not going to do that. You get to 80 and be like, oh.

Show me your wife drives you, bro. Do you think you're going to do that? He got an F3 car and then got claustrophobia. I did. I couldn't breathe. But that's when we were having a lot of trouble getting pregnant. I was really stressed. But I had to get out. And you know what? It wasn't an F3. It was like an F4.

So before we went on the race, there was a, it's so funny, because you know, these are big corporations, so everybody's a little bit careful with their words. So before the main race start, there was a woman's F1, right? It's called F1 Special or some shit, I don't know. But they're trying to get women into driving,

which is crazy, because it's not like they have to lift anything, like the car does or some shit, I don't know. But they're trying to get women into driving. Which is crazy because it's not like they have to lift anything, like the car does all the driving, so you think that they could do it. Right? Is it like G-forces? Like what is the justification? I don't know. As far as I'm concerned, the G doesn't exist.

No, no, so I asked him and I was like, I go, I'm just trying to make stupid fucking jokes. And I'm just like, so I'm sure the women women there's a lot more crashes in the women's circuit I'm like, I'm just whatever joking and the guy goes Well There would probably be some good Google searches about that if you'd like to see And I go, what do you mean by that and off camera? He's basically yeah, they're fucking crashing all the time We can't put them in the formula cars

because it costs too much to fix for them not to crash. Wow. That's so funny. Is it during the race or just parking? But it was sick. So you didn't like it, Al? I mean, it was cool.

It's not bad, it's just not the best live sporting event. I live sporting event. Going to a Knicks game during playoffs is ten times better. The energy that you feel, obviously, during a Knicks game is really cool. I will say that that Knicks game exists for like three hours. And this is like three days. Oh, okay. And then just all the different things that you are seeing and the amount of people that just kind of like submit themselves to the awe of the experience. Yeah, the spectacle.

Yeah. And again, it's like nobody is too cool for a fast car. Yeah. It just kind of levels the playing fields. Like fucking Timothy Chalamet is there gawking at a car. The same car that Kirk Douglas is gawking at. All these NFL players are there just like, you just can't believe it. I mean, it must be the most expensive sport.

Has to be. Right? Like there's nothing even remotely fun. It's like SpaceX. It's like if SpaceX was for fun. Yeah. Like that every one of these is a rocket ship. Yeah. And every single race something's gonna break and they're gonna have to rebuild it. Yeah. I think there's also something about it like you can't just try it. You know what I mean? Like basketball you like you watch a game and then go try basketball and virtually every every sport has that. Whereas F1, you'll just never try. Barrier to entry is insanity.

We were doing go-karting and we were like, that's as far as we're willing to go. I'm not going fast into that. Even in Abu Dhabi, we had the access to do F4. Yeah. You know what I mean? So even if you wanted to, you couldn't do F1. So I think that there's also,

for famous people specifically, there's an exclusionary aspect. 100%. Where they're like, yeah, you couldn't do F1. Yeah. So I think that there's also like, for famous people specifically, there's like an exclusionary aspect. 100%. Where they're like, yeah, you just get to watch the most expensive thing, money that I don't have, to do a crazy sport that I'll never try. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, I don't know, it's impossible.

Yeah, it was just fucking, it was just really cool. I wanna go to another one. Who was the coolest person you talked to? I don't know. Trying to think. Any interesting people you were like, oh shit, this person's here? To me, like, the most interesting were like the engineers and the people working on the

cars. Yeah. The little things that, you know, can make such massive differences. How piecemeal the cars are. Like everything can be removed and a new thing put on within seconds. So your firm wing gets fucked up. There's another firm wing. Boop, boop, bang.

So you have a spaceship that can be completely rebuilt in a matter of seconds. Yeah, it's just the monocoque that's really like the middle part stays the same. You could have the engine and gearbox break down and within an hour they have a new engine and gearbox put into a car, everything rewired and you're racing. Wow. So if you fuck it up in the trials or whatever it is, it's just like... Yeah, that's fascinating. That's that's dope Unbelievable and who are these guys are like quants kind of like socially awkward genius types

some of them are maybe and then some of them seem like they were just kind of a Like the the guys who do like the the Union shit that the theaters we go You know, it's just like a dude who like, Roadie. Yeah, like Roadie is like for musicians, like that same kind of vibe. Like I just love cars, like mechanics, like what would be the coolest job if you were a mechanic? Oh yeah.

You know, it's like I could fix cars in New York at a shop or I could work on a fucking Formula One team and travel the world. Are any of them like former athletes? That's what I heard and I looked at them and it didn't seem that way. But I heard all of them were like, oh, Formula D1 guys, and I was like, not at all, they're't seem that way But I heard all of them were like a formula D one guys where it was like not at all

They're all kind of small all the drivers are really skinny Yeah, like really skinny really lean some of them are tiny some of them may be my height but like lean every single one Oh, that's interesting parallel with NASCAR. It's that way It's like all like D two football players a guy that got drafted and then came out and now he's just like pit guy Yeah, moving, you know gasoline around Yeah, which like it's kind of sick if you're a former pro athletes they go fuck around some cars and same kind of I wonder if Lifestyle is more similar. It's like you're traveling every single weekend super high stakes in a part of this crew Yeah, how much they get paid you think I don't know

I'm trying to I like I was trying to crunch numbers on everything. Who gets paid the most? Driver. No, I think it's the principal, like the person who is like the head of the team who has to like hire all the different positions. I actually don't know if the drivers are that respected. Yeah, that's what I'm curious about. Are they like a jockey? Yeah, that might be like a harsh thing to say, but like I think that the leaders of the teams and like the top engineers are the more coveted people than the drivers. Interesting.

Because you could take the worst driver and put them in the best car, and they would be competitive. That's what I wanted. Like horse racing, you know the horse's name. You know what I mean? You don't know the jockey. You know Seabiscuit. I didn't know one of the guys that was

driving a car for our team. I didn't know. I met him,. I didn't know one of the guys that was driving a car for our team. I didn't know. I met him and I didn't know if he was like a guy that does the pit stop or if he was driving a car. And I didn't want to be disrespectful, but I didn't know. Yeah. Do you know him now? Nope. He didn't finish the race.

I was like, you got to finish for me to take a pit. Oh man. What happened? The tire you changed flew off? I was like you got a fish for me to take a pic Crazy about access that you get like I'm surprised like before They just let everybody walk not everybody but they let people walk on the grid where all the cars are set up and it's like You could sabotage another car, right? Mm-hmm I don't know how you would do it, but you could walk up, look at it, unscrew some shit. Mm.

Throw some acid on someone's face? Who knows what you could do? Acid attack, dude. I saw a seal there, actually. That's why I brought him up. Yeah, handsome, great guy, sweet. Sweet guy. I can't believe I said that joke about the thorns.

That was so rude. I think Al sets a really disgusting tone Yeah, I definitely didn't he's like a bully. I'm a bully. He brings a very mean energy. Yeah, you really do He was right to call out that his daughter looks very different from oh cuz he's white Anyway, it was great shout out out to Carbone. Carbone hooked us up. Reunited with my boy, my twin, Ryan Clark and Jelly. Also Jelly is fucking incredible. I actually got to see him do like a full show.

He's incredible. Like, he's incredible. And I mean that in that like, he understands, you could tell he's done decades of shitty shows. This is the difference maker. The people who've done decades of shitty shows know how to really galvanize and rile up a crowd and play a crowd like an instrument. And the people who are pop star and then they have their hit,

without their hit, they don't really have anything. Yeah, they're learning how to live perform after they're famous. Exactly. You could tell he's done the toughest, hardest Without their hit they don't really have anything. Yeah, they're learning how live perform after they're famous exactly Yeah, you could tell he's done the toughest hardest fucking shows because when because I was curious I was like, what's he gonna do? Like we're in this like at this this Carbone Beach dinner. Like there's all these like fancy people there They might not even know country music that much. Maybe they don't know some of his hits

I'm like, how is he gonna handle handle this? And within 30 seconds of bringing it up, he's like kind of doing call and response almost crowd work stuff, really getting people excited, banger of a song that maybe people know but didn't, but it had so much excitement that they're getting riled up and getting into it. You can even tell that he was a bit concerned because he mentioned that a couple of times. He's like, yo, I'm going a turn this shit into a honky tonk I realize all you guys like fucking country music the way here play Oh Hell yeah

Places with whiskey Look how much pause right there pause right there go back a little second. Why were you hesitant to like put your whole hand on him? It seemed like you were doing that. That's yours. Christ. What is wrong with you? Is that not clear to you? It felt like you wanted to. It felt like you wanted to it felt like you wanted to embrace him

But you were like a little insecure to do is of trauma. He was holding on to the camera I'm a little strong if I grab him, you know, he's delicate No, you want to cross that arm delicate over his chest and just hold him But you look at your hand look how uncomfortable that hand is Looks like at your hand. Look how uncomfortable that hand is. It looks like not your hand. It looks like someone else's. Tell us what's going through that moment, because you obviously want to be part of this singing,

and you want to... Were you not drunk enough to just be yourself? I didn't know the words. To be honest with you, I did not know the words. If you really look close to me, I'm doing one of those things where you just like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, The next day he went to go perform in a stadium in Las Vegas with Post Malone. And then the next day he came back to run a 5k in Miami. That was crazy.

I think in Tampa, right? Some player fall hard. Yeah, that's crazy. He's moving. He's moving different. He's moving different. Hey, shout out to Jelly, lost some weight. Got me helping out here.

Let's go Jelly. Looking great. Looking great. I said, yeah. Jelly's the man. And how was Ryan? Ryan was great. Ever since y'all patched it up, everything's good? Everything's great. I said, yeah. Charlie's the man. And how was Ryan? Ryan was great.

Ever since y'all patched it up, everything's good? Everything's great. We had a great conversation. We had a great conversation. It was fire. Just great. All right. Oh, Jamie?

Oh yeah, I got to meet the most talented human being on the planet. Dressed like Street Fighter, man. That shit is fire. He got... He was like... He's bleeding. Naturally from Mortal Kombat.

He's got Mortal Kombat in him. Yeah, Jamie's He's got a little bit of a mortal combat in him. Yeah, Jamie's the fucking man. Anyway, it was cool as hell. Definitely cool. I suggest if you guys have the opportunity, go check out a Formula One and root for Team Stake. And guys, if you're going to bet on Formula One or the NBA playoffs, obviously the Knicks, you already know what time it is. We already knew that was going to happen. We let Boston feel like they were going to have a chance.

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oh, that's kind of interesting. I still barely understand what it is. Me neither. I barely get what's going on. What happens inside? It's a dinner, right? Yeah. I feel like it's it is. Me neither. I barely, I barely get what's going on. What happens inside? It's a dinner, right? Yeah. I feel like it's just like Carbone Beach.

Sit down, dinner, then everybody gets up, somebody performs. But it's probably the same shit. It's a fundraiser. I think it's one of those fundraisers. Right, but like that's the thing that I don't get. So like does it start as a gala? A lot of these high society events, they make fundraisers as an excuse for like rich and fancy people to celebrate themselves.

So I think it's more about celebrating yourself and then you realize, oh shit, if we keep celebrating ourselves, poor people are gonna fucking shoot us in the back of the head. All right, so let's make it a fundraiser for a cause. But I think that's after the fact. I don't think that's.

And then the clothing brand picks a celebrity. I think. They make the outfit for them and I think they donate on their behalf. Right, yeah. Celebrity just gets to go and get to it. But it's more about like a qualification. Like if you're invited to this event, then you must be like one of the most famous people

or whatever it is. So I think it's like very exciting in that regard. And then. I get why people go. I get why brands do it. Like that part all makes sense. I'm so curious about like the Fascination like the amount that it grips people people love fashion. Yeah, they love famous people

Is it fashion? Fashion famous people and judgment exclusivity. Hmm, but you also get to judge like that's your point you get to be You know, like one of those chef shows you get to say if the food is good or not, right? So I think it like puts us all all of us that are not invited, that are not the famous people, that are not part of like the inside circle, not only do we get to judge them, we get to make fun of them

because a lot of them address like really foolishly. That's a good point. So in a lot of ways like, and I'm guilty of this, like it's easy for us to just sit back, oh, look at these fucking stupid people, but it's like, that's kind of the event's purpose, in my opinion They're submitting themselves for judgment and there are these designers that are trying to do like the most provocative ridiculous things and

On some level I I like that like I like I love it. I like it when people try. Yeah, like What's-his-face bringing the piano on his back is fucking retarded. Yes, But I like that there's an attempt made to do something. He's also not doing it, right? Like it's the designer being like, this is what you're gonna wear. I think you could say no. You have an idea of what. How does it work?

Like, do the designers be like, this is what we're thinking? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they collab with them? They collab with the, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. And I like this. He got music on his back.

Like that shit, just the messaging for that. I think it's dope I'm surprised how easy he's walking around. I mean do you think it's an actual piano? No, I know it's Easily around yeah, like that shit still as wide as he's not bumping nobody's not knocking not knocking motherfuckers up. But it was real. No, he did it. There's no way. He definitely unstrapped it and started playing after. He definitely did that. I'm so mad at it, dog.

I thought it was a real piano. I was watching this on HBO last night. You gotta take the hell out of it. He's walking around with a grand piano. How can he hold such weight walking up those stairs? I hope there's a video that comes out of him playing that shit. You're right.

So I'm gonna get, it might be playable, but it's not a full size piano. No, if it's playable, then I won. No, it's not. Yes it is, yes it is. The point is that it's heavy. You're concerned because it's heavy. And it's wide, it's uncomfortable.

He's moving around. When you see people walking around with like a bunch of balloons so you're like how are they doing that? Like they're not flying away? They're staying on the ground and it must take so much strength. Dude I wish I could be in your head for a day and just see the world you know what I mean? You wouldn't see much. No you wouldn't love it. You would just be staring down at your phone.

How am I holding this thing up dude? This is such a big penis. How did you know Seale's daughter wasn't real but the piano? The piano was. A broken clock is right. Oh, Mr. Milchick. Who is this? The guy from Severance. Oh.

Okay. Alright. Nice one there. We have a Lisa from Light Lotus. Oh yeah. She's, this girl is unstoppable. Have you heard the whole controversy with this outfit? Tell me right now.

So Rosa Parks is in her vagina. Pfft. I've saw a bunch of people on Twitter getting pissed off. Wait, what? So she, again, the theme is Black Dandyism. So on the outfit, there's different historical black civil rights leaders. And one of them... Are we serious?

Google it, bro. I mean, I'm not fucking got, but I'm 99% sure. Did you see this? No, but I do have a joke, so keep going. So apparently, there's many different civil rights leaders and Rosa Parks is over her crotch right there. Oh, but there's many of them. Yes.

Not just Rosa Parks. But to my understanding, that was the one that people were mad about. Why would they do her like that? To who? Rosa? No, this girl, the hot Asian chick. I don't know if they're doing her like that in a negative way. You know she's going to get...

What's wrong with the vagina? I think vagina is the most respectable part of a woman's body. I think it's the most respectable part of a woman's body. You couldn't even lie. I know. No, think about it. Like, there could be no more respectable part of a woman's body than the vagina. It's, in many of our definitions, what makes a woman a woman. Yeah, but put it like not on a sideways one.

No, but this is... Do you think with all due respect to Lisa, do you think the lips are dark? Because then maybe they put her in the color. back to Lisa do you think the lips are dark because then maybe they put her in the color which would be the most disrespectful thing to do to Rosa Parks that's the worst thing to do you gotta put her in the white section yeah right that's fucked up that was fun but all these people on twitter are mad about being like, you shouldn't have put it there. Oh, stop being angry. They're trying to tell Rosa to leave.

Alright, put it, let's, uh, city sweetie immediately. Let's just watch it. And... Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Personally, I think she ate and left no crumbs. Hahaha. Personally, her body is teeth. Yeah, personally, I think she ain't left no crumbs

Personally her body is tea My honest opinion That was good, I thought she could've been more I hate you out That is most amazing critique how is everybody's jaw so perfect now like how how does everybody have like this macula jawline? I also have that question. Yeah. But like what is that? I would also like to get to the bottom of this. Is that fillers, is that makeup?

Like what is giving everybody perfect jawlines? Does Zempi maybe? I don't know. But even Ozempic, I don't know if it can actually restructure your jaw. But I think it just like depletes so much of the fat and muscle in your face, it kind of like brings all the bones out.

Oh wow. But the rest of her doesn't look Ozempic. Yeah, true. It just like depletes so much of the fat and muscle in your face, it kind of like brings all the bones out. Oh wow. But the rest of her doesn't look gozempic. Yeah, true. She looks fucked up. It's like Halloween. Here's the thing about the makeout. Once we accept that we're the ones that benefit the most, because we get to make fun of and

potentially humiliate the most famous successful people on the planet. Yeah. And that is like by design what the show is about. Mm-hmm. Whether or not they know it, but it's what it is for like the majority of people. Mm-hmm. It's kind of great for us. Yeah. Yeah. What was the thing?

And they could just be like, they're just hating because you wasn't there. Because you wasn't there. Yeah. So it kind of like works out for everybody. And I like the designers trying to flex. Why do white people went so, like, go better, go harder? This is a regular outfit. Yeah, but black dandyism is the theme.

It's just a little bit of a, you know, gotta be delicate. Camp of Rosa on your pubes and, you know, I think everything's going to be just fine. Wait, did Kamala go? Whoa, what is she there? Obama. Oh, I didn't know that she went. That's kind of fire, dude. Is that her first time? Like, is that her first public appearance since? Who's this?

She's done like some speeches. I think. Is that Lisa first time, like, is that her first public appearance since? Who is this? No, she's done like some speeches, I think. Is that Lisa? Uh, Janie and other girls. Don't you do an outfit change, bro? Like seriously? You guys set me up for these things and you make me look so bad. It's a profile of this absolutely beautiful Asian woman at the Met Gala. We've just seen Lisa though.

I think that's Lisa. And there's nobody that can prove me otherwise Let's see the panties We're any more povich for shoulder Guys, stop it. You are not Lisa. What the fuck? Yo, let me tell you something. This motherfucker's too handsome. Oh, yeah.

This motherfucker is too goddamn handsome. Yeah. Who is it? Damson, what is the name? Idris. Damson Idris. I've got enough of these British Idrises. Yeah, there's something about Idris that makes you so cute.

All right, hit that turnaround. Nah, the turnaround with the little smirk, like. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. I'm just saying, if we gonna be real, start it. You open, you open. I was just, I was joking.

I don't know about no turnaround with a smirk. He doesn't smirk? I'm just turnaround with a smirk. What is it about a smirk? I was like, that was the hand on the shoulder. Yeah, it was. Nah. Yo, Al, just embrace it. You're wearing nail polish. Smell this wearing their paws gay non-gay guy that we know

The session's like, I almost choked it down on this shit. I saw this shit, I was like, damn, I got to get that move down in the mirror somewhere. Like, that thing is fucked. Can you try it now? You got your camera. Camera's over here, Al. Remember, your camera's over here. I can't.

He's too smooth. He's too smooth. Pharrell, he could have went harder, I was surprised. He designed all the shits, right? Well, he just designed the Louis, right? Yeah, just Louis. But, I mean, there were mad people in Louis. He did Sabrina Carpenter, he did Dochi, he did a bunch of people.

I think, what's her face? Lisa was in Louis Vuitton. Which one was that? Which outfit was that? Lisa, Jenny, Rachel, Jessica, whatever fucking Asian girl I saw in the car fucking mambo number Lisa's man is the heir to Louis Vuitton. Oh, did you guys know this? I was aware. There's just a no Researched Lisa you're busy learning about Jenny. I'm locked in on Lisa I know that she is gonna be the

Technically the heir as well once they get married to Louis Vuitton Did you know this? I didn't know she was gonna be the heir of Louis Vuitton. Not only Louis Vuitton, LVMH. Whoa, that's a lot of money Our nose kid is married or for fiancéed up with Lisa. That's sick as hell. Yeah, lucky him. Yeah, are they married? I don't know, let's look it up. What? What are you guys doing right now? You're plotting on something.

I'm not plotting. You're scaring me a lot, dude. You're scaring me a lot. Lisa's reportedly in relationship with Fred Lee Arnaud, the son of luxury conglomerate LVMH boss Bernard Arnaud, who is worth over 180 billion dollars. You gotta pull up a picture of both of them next to each other. Wait a minute, it sounds like you're making a joke. What do you know that we don't know? Come on now, come on Kenny. This guy is stupid. What is he doing over there? Like a fryer

What is he doing over there? He's accentuating a jaw I can't do that Oh no That's his name Oh no that's not fair You're just taking a shitty picture of him That's not fair

No that's every picture No he looks better in that one. Yeah. Yo, shout out to him for starting MySpace, man. Listen, Lisa is... That is crazy. Nah. Money really gets you everything, bro. Nah.

That is... Nah. He got the baddest Asian bitch in the world. That look, he looks good. He looks like a young Wayne Gretzky right there. That's the angle he needs With those other angles in that haircut, you need to go this a little better now. We're doing a little better So she got twin sisters man Alex you're being really insensitive Mark is littering you're being insensitive Insensitive mark is littering you're being insensitive

She's clearly with her girl group called black pink, which is another way to describe where Rosa Parks is situated Yo, how do we have a podcast man, it's too many people that listen to this for us to be, you know, not taking things more seriously. Yeah, we need to be more mature. As Charlemagne says, you know, we're not mature enough to have this conversation and it is very true. Yeah.

You know, this is an influential platform, you know? We decide who rules the free world on this platform here. That's bad. Yeah. That's bad, too much power. We owe it to the audience, bro. We gotta step it up. How do we do better that?

Just try to you know influence elections here. Have you ever flicked a Zim? Yes, I got you my boy I got you my boy any other funny outfits like oh they put what did they put Stevie Wonder in? No, no, come on. I Mean every day for him Are you gonna let him talk about one of your heroes like that steve's life? Yeah, he's lying You think he's been pretending to be? I was talking to do the land about this white people and black people conspiracies are so different Okay, you could white people are like 9-eleven the moon and I feel like Stevie Wonder's line

Black people are getting into the the Flat Earth shit though. Hmm. Have you been seeing I've been seeing clips of Mark Lamont Hill on Joe Budden's podcast. No, have you been seeing him going back and forth? I did this shit is hilarious because my people are just getting into the conspiracies from about like five years ago. Flat Earth being one of them. Have you seen any of this? Have you seen any of it? I haven't seen it, but I'm already disappointed. Okay, why? Because, come on, don't just don't do it. It depends. If you're having fun, then it's great. Are they having fun or do they really believe it? Let's find out You never know it could be content. Oh If it's just the content then it's fine cuz it wasn't Kyria flat earther. Yeah, sometimes shut up and dribble is real

What what come on guys, I don't know if Kyra's on flat earth Yeah, I think Kyra was back in the day. Remember? I think so Yeah, he's on everything. He also said some other wild shit. He's an internet kid like whatever's popping on the moment Yeah, you were right about that. Yeah, I think so guys over here. He apologized in 2018 for his flat earth comments Was he what's the what's the name of the of the God and the nation of Islam that created white people? Have you seen this? There's a God in the nation of Islam that created white people. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was looking at this. The devil? Oh, this is for Yakuub?

I mean, that's the thing. Yakuub, bro. You pull up a picture of Yakuub, dude. Oh, this is awesome. You got that up quick as fuck. So this is Yakuub, all right? Yeah. Stephen A.

Smith. He's going to be hosting First take this morning That is crazy God like the alien God even has a receding airline But apparently he like I don't know all the details, but he's like a great inventive white people out there Like that's like a battle against black people something like that. Really? Yeah. I don't know the deal someone should fact-check this I don't want to be disrespectful to the to the nation keep that watch out. I know they don't play Mm-hmm curse your wife out while you pass by

I mean of all the islam's to piss off the nation of I think is the least dangerous I think is the least dangerous No, they get down really yeah, yeah, but they don't get down in the way that we're afraid of I Mean some would say they do they have like the militant motherfuckers. Yeah, but they're not gonna just blow up the plane. Oh Okay, that's the concern. Yeah in the hierarchy. Yeah, you're right Yeah, I think the ones at least afraid of are like the Kairis that they'll, they're Muslim today and then they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's Native American tomorrow and all that kind of shit.

Also, Yaqub created white people because he has two brains as you saw in that image. I just looked this up. Created white people with one half of his brain and then his brain blew up and he died. So, just want to let you know that's the- Yo, my bad. That's where white people come from. Yo, poor one out for the dead, dead dude shit. We put him on a t-shirt. I believe that's a white people to Got an airbrush on a tall T. Let's go have you heard the Elmo's black? No, I thought he was gay. Oh

Like a New Yorker they're saying wait what some girl the show is like no Elmo is a black man Like there's a whole movement about Elmo being a black dude. Why does the character have to be black? It's a Muppet That's what I said. Is it a Muppet? No, it's a seven a Sesame Street. He's a sesame. He's a sesame But the voice of Elmo's black dude, that's why they say that Oh Kevin clash hell, yeah Yeah, that's what this is what black I thought they were saying he was gay, but maybe that's Ernie Yeah, Bert and Ernie are they? 100p. Oh, yeah, dude. No way a weekend in Switzerland. Just Bert and Ernie

Also everybody that's wondering where Akash is we can't tell you We cannot tell you. We cannot tell you right now, there's a reason why we didn't bring it up early in the episode, but we cannot tell you where he is, but we hope that he comes home safe. That's all I'm going to say. We want to make sure that he comes home safe. He's not in Burkina Faso, where there has been a successful military coup that Mark will explain to us right now.

He was diligently doing research before this podcast began. This is wild. Didn't even say hi to any of us as we walked into the studio. I was just, I was fucking face deep in my Mac just getting hyped up. I'll be honest. Okay. Because Ibrahim Traore. Yep.

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And for years, they were colonized by the French. Okay. And the French basically colonized them and started taking all the resources. Yep. As they do? As they do. Only them.

Well, they apparently have, their history of colonization is different. So like the British sometimes would like come in and like nanny state, but the French were just coming to be like, we're taking everything. Taking it all. So then they get independence in the 60s, but the French leave but in prop of a bunch of their backed politicians that then run the country and just kind of siphon off all

the resources to the French. Right. Also the US kind of comes in, starts siphoning off resources. And then they leave military there that were able to like, just like break up conflicts? Yeah. Like even though they were free, it was like, nah, we still going to leave some armed military. They had a presence and then the president was, you know, backed by the French. And then they get this guy Sankara back in the day, he gets assassinated and he was trying

to like liberate the country and nationalize the resources. And then gets assassinated. And then basically from then until like 2016, they've just been under like the kind of like French, you know, colonization, stealing all their shit. And then in 2022, this dude comes in and says, no, fuck that. What's his name? Ibrahim Traori or Traori or something. And yeah, basically just takes back the country and starts nationalizing all the resources. does it coup creates a government and he's not a leader of he's 37 years old fire and is just running the country

Is he a military guy? Did you know that formally military and then so how did he get the loyalty of the military? Basically, he was just like yo This is fucked up what they're doing that all these presidents are like man-chairing candidates, siphoning off of resources, leaving our country in squalor. Burkina Faso has historically the lowest GDP, or of the lowest GDPs. 40% of the country lives below the poverty line. Everyone's struggling. But they have the fourth most gold of any African country.

Just getting crushed. And they're like, what is happening? Why does this keep happening to us? And so then they do a military coup, and then the guy that leads the military coup ends up getting ousted by him. So it's like a coup of a coup. Oh shit. Of another coup. Like there's just like all these different coups. And so he eventually gets appointed by like the coup board and they're basically like, yeah, Ibrahim is going to

run it. And now- Why did the first guy get kicked out? Do you know? They were unsure of his loyalty. And then also he wasn't going hard enough on the jihadists. So there's two problems happening for Kina Faso where the one is like the French occupation And then the other thing is you have jihadists coming in from like Mali that are now just placing all these people in Burkina Faso So they're coming through like two million people been displaced thousands of people been killed By this like militant Islamist regime trying to create like an Islamic state. What's their name? They're connected al-qaeda and Isis. They have like super specific like, you know, sets. Like I don't know what the clique, specific name is.

But yeah, basically he's come through and like, yo, we're nationalizing the gold, we're kicking all the jihadists out and we're going to make Burkina Faso great again. There's been like two assassination attempts on it, on his life. Oh yeah, so far, like that we know. And they've tried to like coup him. So he got super popular recently in April because they tried to do a coup on him He was like not fucked that and taken so now what happens internally is that you have people within like your own? Regime trying to take you out

So there's other people vying for power like people that helped you get to your position trying to take you out Yeah, so now he's creating a system. I don't even understand how they're doing it. There's not even a ton of coverage on this It's like hard to find and he's basically like quelling internal coups and basically appointed himself as like the leader of the country. Holy shit. Kind of did away with like the democracy hit a quote where he was like, democracies never progress to country. No country's ever developed under democracy.

We need like a strong king to like rule the shit. And it seems like he's doing it. So the people of Burkina Faso are like pretty stoked on it. And now this like authoritarian kind of thing is like spreading through Africa where people are like, we need this in every former colony state because all of Africa has been now like beholden to their colonial ancestors and their parents rather. I imagine in the near future, there will be no buying of the rights to your natural resources. They'll only be partnering.

I think recently in Trinidad, there was this leader who sold all of the, because Trinidad has oil, so I think they sold all the oil rights to the Chinese for like a hundred years, or at least for a hundred years. And the way this thing happens is that they cut the deal so that that specific person gets super rich at the cost of the people. And this happens, I'm sure, all over the world. But I imagine maybe one of the benefits of globalism is that there'll be these international policy laws

in place that will protect the colonial countries from doing this. But at the same time, these smaller countries do need the investment for infrastructure. So if you've got all this oil and you need to find a way to get it out, but everybody's living in poverty, you need investment. So it can operate in a similar way to, I'm trying to think, like, I mean, UAE is, in my opinion, the best example of this. Okay, give me, give me.

So like their British mandate, the English control the whole area and it's not even UAE is, in my opinion, the best example of this. OK, give me, give me. So like, their British mandate, the English control the whole area. And it's not even UAE, it's just all the separate Emirates. And then they find oil in the 50s. And then Sheikh Zayed brokers a deal with the British and is like, hey, we're going to give you the oil. At first, they started just beginning, like taking the raw oil, not refining it in the country, not helping the people just getting all the oil out of there. He goes, no, no, no, we're going to together, unite all the Emirates and then nationalize the oil

and refine it all here and then partner with BP so you guys get rights. And then partner with the US, Exxon, all them, you guys get rights to the oil. And then that's where the petrodollar comes from. So like, hey, we're all gonna trade our oil, we're gonna give you guys good deals, we're gonna partner with you guys

and we're down to play ball, but we're gonna help our people first. And was diplomatic enough to make it work. Like he didn't get ousted or, you know, replaced. Yeah. I mean, there's a way where it's actually cheaper for the colonial countries to do this because they're like, hold on. So you'll organize it, stop all the warring factions, because if there's war in the country, we can't extract the oil. If we have to worry about G.O.D. has blown some shit up or a coup happening, it stops the oil from coming. So there's a certain amount of money that you have to pay for protection for your goods.

So it's probably cheaper to have a leader that will give you access and then that leader goes, okay, how much you pay and protect all this shit? Okay, well, you don't have to pay that anymore because I'm going to protect it, but I want that delta. Yeah. So I will- Historically, the cheapest thing was let's just put our guy in who's going to give us everything. Yes. And now it looks like him a millionaire. Yeah.

And we'll just take everything. But now the people are going, they're educated enough and maybe the internet is available enough where people go, okay, this isn't fair and we're getting fucked. Yeah. And there's other examples, I guess, in Africa or even the Middle East, where like there's a different system that actually benefits the people. Then when you have situations like this happen, then they just take them out. Like Godavari. That is, yeah. I mean, that happens all around the world, but now maybe there's enough security where you don't get to do that, you know. And it's also like there's a lot of shame that

goes along with that. Like back in the day you could take someone out and nobody really knows about it. But like if it's making news and somebody gets killed, you have to go, well who killed him? And then if it trickles back to France, imagine how we're going to look at Macron or the leadership over there It's basically okaying the murder of a not only the government official But like the leading government entity in an independent country. It's a yes and no because a lot of people It's over there and we can just it's like out of sight out of mind And you kind of you just fund a sort of separate military group. So don't handle all that shit.

And you fund five of them. Yeah. And then whichever one wins, you're like, oh, great. We got a guy back. But there's a cost, too, for that. It's like what the mafia bosses will always say. It's like when we're all at war, we're not making money. Yeah. Brings way too much attention. Yeah, I think that the best I really think that even for the colonial powers, it works better if you just take maybe making 10 percent less,

maybe you're making 30 percent less, but you don't have to worry about shit. And you get to act like you're this benevolent partner. Wouldn't you rather the world see you as somebody who's lifting up these African nations instead of this diabolical, I don't want to say terrorist, but colonial state? Which they kind of do. So some of the colonists are like, no, no, we have like aid programs and we're getting you guys aid and we're helping out. But even that gets caught up by the people in charge if they're corrupt.

Exactly. So then the food actually reaches the people. There's that great example of, I think it's Botswana, if I'm not mistaken. But there's this leader who was just like, I mean, you could argue, maybe look it up right now, but like one of the greatest leaders in history. And he basically took this African nation from squalor to like the highest like GDP of any African nation,

the highest levels of education. And he like slowly did it piece by piece. But first was, I think nobody actually had rights to their minerals. I think they had like diamonds. You can look it up, see if it's Botswana. I'm not exactly sure. I forget this guy's name.

I should know his name. But like, great example of this. Like you can do it. You can pull your country out of extreme poverty, but you cannot do it without the natural resources. Like the number one, like, because without that you just have nothing to pull from. What are you going to do? Tourism? Nobody wants to go there.

People are getting shot. They think your country's full of aides. They think. They think. No, but like, unfortunately, that is the perception, right? So people aren't going for like cute little vacations over there. One of the reasons why we can go to the Caribbean and all this kind of stuff is because we're like,

oh, it's safe. Yeah. But if Burkina Faso's in a tough spot because they're landlocked. So they require and rely on all their neighboring countries for transportation. Botswana too. Ah, interesting.

So those are the ones that are most difficult because they're also easily invaded. Yep, you're so dependent on the people around you. Can you check to see if it is that guy? And then what's interesting is that a lot of the people in Burkina Faso, now Ibrahim is kind of like partnering with the Russians a little.

Oh boy. Like trying to get some infrastructure, trying to like cozy up with them because you kind of do need a... You need a daddy. You need a little bit of a partner Yeah, so now Russia's like hey, you know, you've been screwed over by the French the Americans da da da and the American diplomats are like Hey, this coup thing is crazy and the Russians are kind of helping him out. Mm-hmm Yes, what is it? So let's say comma. Yeah comma

And it was a commas elected as first president and then he was just like, I mean, it's a great YouTube video I watched on it. And like some of these guys do these like really in depth, you know, historical accounts on YouTube, like really like well researched with imagery and all this stuff. But this guy, comma, I think he's no longer in power. And I think the guy who followed him, there isn't like tons of support, but I imagine he was in power for years. I think he had like a white wife too and that was a little bit. Snow bunnies, man. Yeah, he got snow bunnies a little bit. I think he was educated in England.

I'm not mistaken. I just hope we start seeing more of this happen in Africa and that countries just get their resources back because there's so much wealth in Africa and it's just being fucking. Oh, that's why. Exploded. Yeah. No, I know. Yeah. But yeah, you get people partnering. And like, the tricky thing is you kind of need these people

to be educated outside of their country. Because if they're educated within their country, they're probably part of the propaganda machine that's kept people at bay. So it's almost like you want them to go to the colonial powers so they can learn what happened to their country in the most effective way. And then go to these institutions like Oxford or Harvard or that kind of stuff and you'd study business or geopolitics and you learn how trade actually works. And then you can start to broker these deals and build these relationships with the other countries.

Yeah, especially right now where like everybody's terrified of the value of currency. I think gold is at like $3,000 a pound or something in the same price. So right now is the perfect time to own your fucking gold, right? Wow, you know, that's fascinating. Yeah, cuz that's the hedge against currency. Yeah, and he's looking at the farmers too. He's like giving farmers free tractors. He's like, so far it seems like everyone likes him. This is since 2022. What he does with this sort of unchecked power, we shall see.

That's the thing. You need someone who's truly benevolent. Yeah. Can you make sure that was right about that Botswana guy? I don't want to get that wrong. And then I think there's a movement in South Africa. See if he's got a white wife. There's a YouTube video called Surreza Comma Life and Legacy of Africa's Best President

Ever. So what was that? That's the one? It might be, but there's a few that have been done on it, but it's specifically like what he did. Like at a certain point there was like invasions. He's like, okay, well, oh, the first thing was after naturalization, it was investing in education.

He's like, because an educated populace is going to continue to innovate. And his wife was white, it looks like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like he had these, this like step to being a first world country or whatever it is. And like, he fucking knocked it out of the park, you know, but naturally having the resources was amazing. I think at one point Bataan was like part of Zimbabwe or something like that. But like there was, he had to worry about invasions. He's like, okay, now we have to invest in military. Like he just went through the process and he had enough support from the people

and it's possible. I guess that's the point is like it is possible. Just gotta be immune to that corruption though. And that's hard. You get a seat at the table and they're like, bro. Yeah, I know that's rough. Let's just give you everything you've ever wanted. Like he grew up in a town of 2,000 people

in the middle of Burkina Faso, one of the most poor countries ever. And now people are going to him, being like, yo, let's do a deal, let's work this out, you'll be a millionaire, da-da-da, billionaire. And you gotta be able to be like, no, I'm good, I'm gonna help my people. All right, what if you're that guy,

you got something, Joey? Oh, that's right, like you're two. So like, what if there's a, like I think about this all the time with Bukele, I would love to have the El Salvadorian president on it because it's like, did you see the, I think it's him, but he just got caught selling a bunch of coke. Bukele? I'm pretty sure.

What? I would look that up. Yeah, look it up. So it's like, before I congratulate him. He owns some coffee business in Miami and they they just it was a huge bust of like, $30 million worth of cocaine that was supposed to be shipped to Germany. Like, he's motherfuckers are crazy. So check that just double check. But I'm pretty sure that was it's like, Western media isn't covering it only like Latin American news is covering it and they're trying to keep it like super hush up

And so he's doing what the CIA did Nice yeah, that's a get back Like or what we did in Afghanistan when we took all the heroin fields. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't sell it in your own country But if Canada can sell asbestos to Thailand, then why can't El Salvador sell coke to some other countries? Like, it's what we tell people all the time. The issue is taking advantage of your own people so that you can get rich. Fucking over other people, we seem to look the other way.

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Western Hemisphere to the safest. Okay. You have like 85% approval from your people. Okay. We'll look into it one second, but leave that up. You have, I imagine it's a democracy, so there are term limits, maybe. Let's say there are. You know the next people that are going for election. You know them, you know them well. What if you see them and you're like,

yo, they can't do it? Like, this guy's kind of corrupt. I've been like looking the other way about it, but I know he's easily influenced. This guy's a fucking idiot, but the people like him, but they don't realize that he just doesn't have what it takes to do this shit. I understand the impulse to tyranny,

even if it's benevolent. Now I'm sure there's bad people that look at that same situation and they just go, I just want to keep my power. These people can't and they just go, I just want to keep my power. These people can't do it, but you really just want to keep your power. But is there ever a situation where you're like, I'm good. I don't think these guys can fucking do it. Do I let it go because that is what upholds democracy or do I create a tyrannical state

because that's what upholds the society that is benefiting everyone. I guess what I'm trying to say is like, there is a little bit more nuance to the the need for power and it is possible that there are certain people who are like, I don't even want to do this shit but it's gonna fall apart if this guy gets in power because I know him. I've seen him be corrupted already. Well everyone likes a good king You know, I mean like if you've got a good king that's running shit Well, and everyone's cool like yeah, most people are down with that. They trust him. Yeah, like a wise king You know, I mean, it's a dom ran into that issue with this fucking lunatic son Uday. Oh, yeah You know Uday no, he was like an absolute fucking just evil

He would have got him right there. I didn't say who. I said no, I don't know. No Uday was his actual son and he was like an absolute fucking lunatic. He tortured people, abused people through like crazy parties, would make people, he was like actually Game of Thrones king. Joffrey. Joffrey type shit. Yeah. And Saddam like to would try to like reel him in and would

burn his cars. Like he owned a bunch of nice cars and he burned his cars one time to like threaten him. He put them in jail for like a night, but like Saddam couldn't really reel them in. But also I'm going to count to three Uday torturing, but Saddam would also then name other people his successor. His successor. And it would piss Uday off even more. He had his like crazy shit happen. Yeah. Yeah, when you know there's no repercussions to your actions, you're gonna act out.

Yeah. And he was just, he tortured the Olympic team. Yeah, he was like one of the most brutal dudes ever. Like the stuff he did, it was insane. There's old documentaries on like his atrocities where he's just like pulling people off the street, fucking murdering them. Also, like, where does he learn that shit? You don't learn that shit from the movies. Like you're seeing that within your family dynamic, or at least you're seeing your dad use power in that way and you think it's okay. Got his uncle shot. He did some wild stuff. Yeah. Or you can just step it up.

Like, yeah, maybe. But maybe there's a version where he feels like stepping Stepping it up is, you know currying favor with his father. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not trying to say that like Saddam Is this like fucking I guess he's not this like great guy. Yeah, his son is even worse Yeah, but I've seen kids like this on much like lower levels where it's just like you got this like rich kid You guys probably grew up with them and we're like, they never really get in trouble for anything they get. You went to private school, shut up. No I didn't. You went to private school.

No I didn't. It was private. Your bard was, you had to take a test to get in, but there was no payment for it. I thought bard was private. No, it's public. Not public. I mean you have to test to get into the school,

but outside of that, there's no payment for it. Swear to God. Come on, son, I'm just smart. But the tricky thing now with Ibrahim is that all these other countries want authoritarian leaders. Like there's like a push towards authoritarianism because he's been so great so far that now are you going to have other countries in the region being like, where's our Ibrahim? And then are you going to get bad actors that are like, I'll do it. I actually think he's right though. I don't think democracy is the quickest way to progress Hmm like democracy led us to civil war. Let's not maybe not the quickest and fairness He said no democracy has led to prosperity or something like that Well, that's bullshit about the marks. The quickest way is what Singapore did

Yeah, like 50 years you go from a jungle to a first world country. Yeah. Like the quickest way is you have like a party in charge and you hope to God they're benevolent and then you ride that shit till wheels fall off and then maybe then once a culture is set you could start to create some form of democracy. But I have a hard time believing that like you just go oh yeah we'll vote and everything will be perfect. It's like you haven't even established what the culture is, what you guys what the identity is like educated populist. You need people have access to info. Yeah People are so easily manipulated, especially now with the internet. You're gonna just let democracy happen and Burkina Faso Yeah, just hand out cell phones to these people in the foot in the middle of the in the middle of wherever the fuck

They're living and like yeah, you're gonna see some shit get riled up. Yeah Yeah, no country's developed under democracy. I also don't think that people give a fuck about democracy anymore. I think that was like... No, like, I mean, that's funny, but that's... But no, I mean, like, you know how, like, we used to feel like it was our job to spread democracy?

Oh, yes. Like, I don't think Americans care about spreading that shit. Like, we just want people that agree with our way of living So if you got a dictator that agrees with it bet if you got a prime minister bet Yeah, it's so crazy even like Vietnam time how they convinced people that communism was like an existential threat I do think that is true. But like how do they get people to be like, you know, we got to stop it Well, I gotta look more into this like McCarthy shit, or like the MacArthur, MacArthur, McCarthyism. Yeah, I got to look

into those hearings, because he might be right about that shit. Like, because I think that there is, like, I think, communism is very seductive, right, especially when it's not applied. When it's not applied, it looks like the best thing ever. Like, we have to support people, we have to help poor people have a part of the industries in which they work. So they're not just cogs in the machine. Like to help poor people have a part of the industries in which they work. So they're not just cogs in the machine.

And if you have a populace, especially in a time like now, which it feels like jobs are hard to get and they're slowly like being more and more taken advantage of by the wealthy, introducing an idea like communism, call it something else, Americans would be like, really into it. They'd be like, this sounds great. If done right, it's actually a great thing.

Exactly, but never done right. But like the fact that it sounds like a great thing can easily sway an uneducated populace or even an educated one. Matter of fact, sometimes education is even better, right? Because you'll see like what the true benefits of these things are. So I understand Americans at that time going,

shit, this is spreading because all these poor people around the world really want some equity in the industries that they're building up. If that continues to spread, it could easily spread over here because why wouldn't every American want that? But that could kill, potentially could kill American prosperity if it's not done right. So I get like it as an existential threat. Us being over there in Vietnam, I don't know. I don't know why we think like if Vietnam falls, then Kansas City does. But I do get the idea that like, oh, this shit is kind of catching steam. And then I furthermore get why the rich people in America would really not want that.

So it's like, that's the threat. It's almost like double incentivized. You know what I mean? Like the rich people who are like, we definitely don't want this, this is going to fuck our business up. And then like the permanent government people going, yeah, it hasn't really worked in any of these other places, but it's really seductive. All right, we're in cahoots on this one, where there might be things that the rich people really like, but the American government is is like Nah, you got monopolistic practices We need to break that shit up because it's actually gonna fuck people over and the rich be like no

No, that's what we do. We fuck people over. Yeah, you're not gonna do it now. Yeah So when rich people in government are aligned you're fucked When rich people in government are not aligned there's a battle. Yeah. Yeah rich people in government are not aligned, there's a battle. Yeah. Yeah. Play that other video. Wait, which one? The one with the, about the drugs.

Yeah. What's up guys? So pretty much Bukele owns a coffee brand called Beans of Fire, which is based in Miami. And they just got caught with $31 million worth of snow powder. You know what I'm talking about. $31 million in their shipment to Belgium.

So the president personally owns, Bukele personally owns a coffee brand that's based in Miami that's caught shipping drugs to Belgium. But for some reason, nobody's talking about it except Hispanic news sources. So Bukele responded at saying that somebody's trying to smear him.

So let me get this straight. Somebody put $31 million worth of snow powder in a shipment just to smear dictator. So let me get this straight. Somebody put $31 million worth of snow powder in a shipment just to smear dictator wannabe. And why does he own a coffee company based in Miami? This is what I told you guys. This is what Duerte did in the Philippines. Pretty much they took out the competition in El Salvador. He took out his drug rivals in El Salvador and they are becoming the main providers of drugs, the main sellers, the main cartel. And that's why he's best friends with Donald Trump.

So our tax dollars are going to a drug dealer in El Salvador. I'm not, yo, low key, I'm not against this. It's fucked up. Go on it, go on it. It's fucked up, but the world is fucked up. Okay. So like when asbestos was banned in Canada, they were still selling it to like Vietnam or Thailand or something like that.

Like they already recognized that asbestos was causing cancer. So they banned in their own country, but they were still shipping it out to their real countries where they would eventually go get cancer. And I don't know if it was as direct as asbestos. Maybe asbestos was in like the drywall or whatever the fuck they were sending. But like they knew that there was something that was banned in their country that they were sending out to the world. I think this shit probably happens a lot. I think that there's probably chemicals that we create here that we're like,

ah, this isn't good for our food, but we'll send it out to other countries. But why are you okay with it? I'm okay with it. I'm not saying it's good, but what I'm saying is I don't know if this is dissimilar to practices that we and other righteous first world countries do.

Therefore- I get it,, I'm still against it. I would say, hey, of course, don't do it. The right thing is to say, don't do it. But the other thing is to be like, OK, we have all these fields. We've we've seized the fields. We have all this cocaine. We can find ways to sell it. We can profit off it, whether we continue to do it or not, is, I guess, up to us as a country.

They get to decide whether cocaine is illegal to sell for people or for the government in their country. Canada decided that it was illegal, but they still were producing it and selling it. So it's your product. If other countries want it, they can find a way to get there. Like, and listen, it's fucked up. What to me is most important is that you're prioritizing your own people. So if you're uplifting your own people

through what we would deem as like nefarious acts, yeah, maybe it's like a little bit, maybe it's bad, maybe a lot of bad, but it is less bad than selling those drugs to your own people. Okay. Is it possible that there's a cartel that's like, yo, we're gonna ship this stuff, we own the shipping and we're gonna throw our own product in there and then we'll get sorted out when I get lands

I also don't I not only do I think that's possible. I also think it's possible. There is somebody trying to smear him Perhaps like I think it's very possible. You have someone that much power that much support and he's saying certain things that are disrupting I won't say disrupting governments 30 million dollars to smearear a person like again, these cartels make crazy money like thirty one million dollars. It's almost tricky because it's like it is a lot of money objectively, of course. But like if you're a cartel with hundreds of millions, billions, it's like, oh, we can use this for political leverage or, you know, we're just going to throw this in our shipment and maybe that's the only one that got caught.

You know, I mean, like, yeah, they might take out the cartels and you take out all the criminals. Like, aren't they? They're supposed to be all locked up right now. That's that's what I'm saying. It's like if this shit is still happening, so does the government in the job? Well, you know what's going to happen or does the government take it over? And then it's like a national resource. That's that's what seems more likely.

And I'm like, if America was was trading the fucking heroin in Afghanistan, which I don't know, I don't have like factual evidence that we did that. I think at some point in time we did take over like the poppy production, which eventually becomes the heroin. Like, and if that was part of the GDP of Afghanistan and they recognize it and they're like, well, we can either give them the money or we can fucking sell this shit. Are we really going to show an El Salvador for doing it? I guess to me, what's most important is if you're trying to uplift a country from

poverty, destitute poverty and violence, like there's probably going to be, you're going to crack some eggs on the way. Yeah. And I'm not greater. Good is, is how are the people doing it now? The costs of how those people doing are how people in Belgium are snorting coke. I'm like boohoo If he's selling asbestos to third world countries, so his people can be okay It's like okay, you're fucking over more poor people so that your poor people can get rich I'm not saying it's okay to fuck over rich people But like I imagine Belgium you have a choice whether or not you're gonna buy fucking cocaine and snort it when you go out drinking

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then gatekeeping a different country doing the shit that a bunch of first world countries do. Wait, what does that mean? Like, a bunch of first world countries do a bunch of fuck shit to get rich, and then other countries try to do it. And then- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah.

So we did that shit with, like, low-key, I kind of feel like we did that shit with the Industrial Revolution. It's like, we were polluting the whole fucking world. Oh, yeah. Became industrial superpower. Then the rest of these countries try to do it. We're like, we have to worry about the environment. You're like China, what are you doing smog?

Yeah, I'm not trying to make some pro China argument, but it's like, what do you think our skies look like from 1800s to 1960? But it's kind of smart though. I agree with that 100%. It is kind of smart if you're running it. If you're America, then like, yeah, you guys can't do what we did.

This is what I'm saying. The expectations for your country are different for the expectations for the world. And I'm kind of OK with that shit. And if we can use these different levers to apply leverage so it's more beneficial to us, I'm kind of OK with that. We don't live in this utopia where every country just wants every other country to do well.

This shit is a race. So we got to treat it like a race. I wouldn't say I'm OK, but I do recognize the game. Maybe okay is the right word. I recognize game. I'm like, yeah. This is the game and we have to play it within the confines of our ethics. And the ethics within our country are different and we acknowledge this than outside of our country. And we got allies and then the ethics with our allies are like a little bit closer

to us. Like, so how we treat Great Britain our allies are like a little bit closer to us Like so how we treat great britain is going to be a little different than how we treat some third world countries Yeah, and what we're willing to do and i'm not pearl clutching like oh, this is the these guys are the mafia I'm like everyone's the mafia. Everyone's the mafia. Okay. I I hate when we get too far into trump's but this stuff is like I feel he's moving in a way that just like, so in your face before it's like rich people just pay behind the scenes. You really know who was doing this. But now you think it's blatant.

Yeah. Like what are the examples? I'm not saying you're wrong, but like the crypto coin thing, like where it's like, what do you do? So now it's the top 50 holders get a meeting with Trump. Wow. That's just paying for access. So he's essentially selling access. Yeah.

That shit is a little crazy. So I agree with what you're saying, which is like, what you're doing is you are pulling away the curtain. Yeah. And like, and I don't know if that's good or bad. Well, well, the thing is that we like curtains. We like curtains. Curtains help everybody. They keep your private ship private and my private ship private.

And what we do behind those curtains, nobody really knows about it. And if people don't know about it, we can pretend it's not happening. And the reality is the rich people always pay for access. Goldman Sachs did it with Obama. Somebody, other company did it with access. Goldman Sachs did it with Obama. Somebody other company did it with Trump. Some other company did it with, all these countries are paying for access. There's a reason why all those billionaire corporations

were lined up behind Trump during the inauguration. And they gave him the million bucks seat. Like they paid for access. But what he's saying is, hey guys, we do pay for access here. And I think the American people are like, why don't you just lie to us and do it like y'all did before? We don't wanna think that that's how things work.

So I know it seems like I'm probably defending him. I'm not. I agree, I like to think that there is no access paid for. The problem is, is that I wonder if him and other, I wonder if his administration specifically, since he was one of those people that paid for access, I wonder if he's like, doesn't everybody know this is how it works? Now we're just letting people pay for access.

Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. That's why I asked the question, it's like no judgment. I was like, I don't even know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. But it's just like, it's just so different than how things have always been done.

You know what it is? It's like when you're at one of these fancy events and like, you know, somebody's like, somebody's eating their food the way you would just eat your fucking food. Like if I got a chicken tender, I'm eating with my fingers and all these other fancy people like, why do they? We eat this with a fork and knife. It's like you're only doing that because everybody else here would look at you funny. But when we're all home alone, we eat with our fingers. Now, I don't know if that's I

Don't think that that's a good justification. By the way, I think that there should be no pay-for-access I don't think it should be transparent or I don't think it should be Face. Yeah, either way. So I get that you reaction you have you're like what the fuck is happening over here? And I guess I just wonder if they're going, yeah, this is how it is. We're just telling you. Probably. Well, that's kind of the accelerationist thing

where it's like, there's people that don't like Trump, they're like, it's good what he's doing because he's airing it all out. And then hopefully people will see how corrupt everything is and then we can fix it. But let him air it all out. Let him do all these things where they expose how corrupt everything is and what he's doing is wrong,

but the next thing will be better because we can stop it. Oh, got it. So Trump is not airing it out in a way to expose other people. He's even exposing himself. This is what they would say. But through exposing himself, he is exposing the system that does exist just behind closed doors. And once we're all privy to the system that does exist, then we can change it. Because that's what I feel like his administration does all the time. The second they do something with immigrants, they just go, Oh, look how many immigrants. But I think Obama was like, I was Obama's wife, Michelle was like, I was crying

when I saw the deportations. And then they were like, your husband deported 4 million more people than he did. Right? Like, and I think that's what the Republicans get a lot of wins on, is that the Democrats kind of virtue signal without reflecting on like what they've done. And then the Republicans come in and dunk. So what Mark is saying is like the next 10 years or whatever it is, could be a reflection on what both parties have done, either out in the open or behind closed doors. And then we, as as Americans get to go, yeah, we don't like any of that.

That's ugly. You'd hope we do that. Either fix it or put out some more curtains. Yeah. Or, I don't know, maybe what I'm curious what you think, like, do we just take all the curtains away and just kind of be honest with who we are? Yeah. I don't know if you can have a society function that way, though.

Probably not. I have no idea. I don't know if any country has really done function that way though. Probably not. I have no idea. I don't know if any country has really done that where like all the curtains are off. Actually, this is the Vietnam thing. I'm watching that documentary on Netflix right now. I want to hear about that rat thing too. Oh my God, that shit is far. Did you get into that?

Did you do the episode on it already? Does it conflict if we talk about it here? No, no, not at all. But the Vietnam thing, they made an interesting point in the doc where they're like, that is the moment where America, like the curtains started where they're like, that is the moment where America, like the curtain started to tear. Like, that was the moment. Because right after World War II, I imagine, like, we are heroic.

Virtuous, benevolent, kind, caring. Our Americans died for other people to live, and there's nothing more beautiful than that. And through the 50s, you got some Pacific theater stuff, but it's like, oh, they're patching up World War II. No one even really knows what's going on. Yeah. And then Vietnam is the first moment where it's like, yes,

we're going to do it again. We're going back out. And then they get out there and they're like, why are we, what are we doing? Why are we here? Like, what is the point of all this? Yeah. And then you start to see like the tears come in,

like all the conspiracy stuff comes in around that time. Like JFK, obviously, the Gulf of Tonkin stuff. Yeah. Like, what is America actually? Yes. And is it good or bad? I don't know. You get like a rise in conspiratorial thinking. I imagine or bad. I don't know. I imagine like upon learning these things,

like during that time, I imagine a pot like once the once you see tears in that fabric, there is an extreme pendulum swing where everything becomes conspiracy, which is not dissimilar to kind of what's happening now, which is like, Whoa, we've seen some fabric tears like big time. And then the conspiracy ship went crazy. And the craziest version is flat earth like, but the fact that we could believe everything is a conspiracy. Like Buckele said, they're smearing me and my knee jerk reaction was like,

like that could happen. Like Bukele said, they're smearing me. And my knee-jerk reaction was like, that could happen. Like things have happened like that. Or he could just be selling the... Okay, so that's Vietnam era disillusion. Have we ever recovered from that? I don't know. I mean, I don't... I mean, no. Like, I think the cracks are still there, but as long as everything's fine? I don't know. I mean, I don't, I mean, no.

Like, I think the cracks are still there, but as long as everything's fine, you don't really notice. Yeah, you only notice the cracks when the economy's rough. I think we would've after 9-11 if they didn't expose the weapons of mass destruction stuff. If we just went on believing it. Yeah, yeah. The fact that there was this self-reflection going,

hey, there were no weapons of mass destruction. What we did was fucked up and a bunch of these military companies got rich. Because I never saw the country together as one after 9-11. Everybody was like, American flags, pro-America, everything. I'm so diabolical. Now there's like a part of me that's even thinking like, the real puppet masters, like when there's no actual part of me that's even thinking like the real puppet masters Like when there's no actual bad guy for us to fight out there. That's like threatening. Hmm. Do we create internal bad guys and then Rebuke them as a country now. We're united again then a new internal bad guy Rebuke united so it's like

Weapons of mass destruction. That's bullshit. We're all coming down and we got that bad guy out of here. And now we're heroes of our own story. Without needing Hitler or without needing a Mussolini or without needing a Stalin with Stalin. Were we kind of aligned though with Stalin? I mean, in World War Two, but then the second the war ended. And now he was the threat of But I wonder if you're like doing Like next level. What is that like country craft? Yeah state crafts state craft. Yeah, that's kind of scary. Yeah

But that's probably the conversations they have they're like, yeah, we got 350 million people How do we get these people to just chill the fuck out? Yeah Yeah conversations they have. They're like, yeah, we got 350 million people. How do we get these people to just chill the fuck out? Yeah. Yeah. And then kind of like the movie, the movie studio thing, you probably have real people that have like real honest opinions that we need to do this. And then you have the, you know, people at the top maybe that are like, yeah, we just need to keep the money coming in, keep everything moving economically. And then they kind of team up, push an ideology. And they're like, yeah, we can, we can become number one with this. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Tell me the rap thing. Here number one with this. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. OK, tell me the rat thing.

Here's the shortest version. Universe 25, you ever heard of this? No. There's an experiment that this guy did in the United States. This guy, John Calhoun. And he was a researcher at the National Institute of Health. And basically, he was doing these rat experiments where he was trying to see basically

the effects of urbanization. So like post-World War II, you have these cities propping up all over the country. They're expanding. You've got New York, Chicago, LA. They're becoming these massive hubs where people are living in these small, tiny little apartments. And basically he was doing these rad experiments to see if you had all your

resources met, you had food, you had housing, all that stuff, just by overpopulation, would it lead to social decay? And so he takes- So real quick, because I think it's really important. There's enough food. Yeah. There's enough shelter. Mm hmm. Okay, so you are met with everything you need or we thought that you needed to thrive.

Okay. Yeah. So he creates a what he calls the rat utopia or the mouse utopia where it's 10 square feet and they have all the food possible. They have all these compartments. It has a holding capacity of 3,000 mice. He drops eight of them in there with like robust DNA

that they can procreate effectively. And for 100 days, they just start banging. Just mouse sex everywhere. They have a bunch of kids. And then slowly, things start to decline. So around two years in, it's like a 600 day, or it's like a five year experience. They're all helping each other.

They're living great. Everybody's happy. And everyone's cooperating. So the mothers take care of the kids, the males are protecting their families, da da da. And then at a certain point, at like a thousand rats, or a thousand mice, it starts to fall apart. Where now there's conflict,

and around these high traffic zones. So whenever the mice are coming into contact to each other, they're hyper aggressive. And then the female mice are not protecting their young. And then they start getting into cannibalism. And the mice are actually eating each other. When they don't have to, there's enough food. There's enough food. Oh, even when the population grew, they just kept the food at a level where everybody oh, there's enough food for every mouse. So every time a new mouse is born, they inject more food, more food, more food. So everyone has enough food. But they're still

fighting and they're still fighting. And then they're creating tribalizing, right? Yeah, and they have all their different compartments. They can all spread out Yeah, and then at these food centers that these like high traffic zones They start to get aggressive and then it goes even further once they get to like 2,000 The birth rate starts to drop they stop procreating mothers start stop protecting their kids at certain parts of it There's a 90% mortality rate of young because mothers are not protecting their kids. At certain parts of it, there's a 90% mortality rate of young because mothers are not protecting their kids. And so then you have hyperaggression from the males, lack of maternalism from the females.

And then the most interesting part is that you get some of the mice that become socially detached. So he calls it in the experiment, the beautiful ones. And there's an interesting parallel with Japan. So the beautiful ones in the experiment are these mice that basically just checked out. They had food, they would go in their little are these mice that basically just checked out they had food They would go in their little compartments and they would just groom themselves like neurotically and they were pristine They were like the most beautiful mice of the whole thing

Some of them were like, you know chewed up and eaten up and battles and stuff. These ones were just fully detached They're like they had nothing to do with the society Now there's a thing happening in Japan right now the Hoki the Hoki Mori if you can look it up And basically it's a group of people in Japan that have kind of like dubbed themselves these like detached people of society that don't really participate. They get like some assistance from the government and they just kind of like live in their houses and they don't really go out and they're completely isolated from any type of community. And as a result, yeah, the the Heikikomori. And they just leave in extreme

isolation. And people pointed to this be like, this is basically the beautiful ones of the experiment. They just kind of detach fully from society. But I would also imagine that the birthrate decline mirrors the decline of birth rates in urban centers. Right. That's what people have said. Yeah. The violence.

It's like, it's not like, and again, I can't speak for everyone in New York, but it's not like people, like I see fat homeless people here. You know, like you'd be like there's food here. There's food centers It's not like there's starvation happening. Yes. There are people that are worried about their next meal But it's different than in third world countries. Let's put it that way and there is access to resources if you need it here Yes, so but you still see this like reduction in Birth rate you still see the tribalism you still see this like reduction in birth rate. You still see the tribalism. You still see like.

Hyperaggression. Hyperaggression. And it's funny that like, it's not about resources. It could be simply about proximity and how humans interact with one another. When there's too many of us in too small space. We're not just fighting over fucking gold or water or food.

It's simply, we're not supposed to be around each other like this. It could literally be that. And so the eventual conclusion of the experiment, it didn't even get to the holding capacity. It got to like 2300, 2400 and then the numbers started going down. They stopped reproducing until eventually the whole society just fell out. They called it behavioral sink. Behavioral sink is just the whole thing basically just like crashed down. And the interesting part is they took some of the mice out and put them into normal enclosures. And even the mice that they took out never adapted to the new enclosures.

They continue to have aggressive tendencies or non-maternalistic tendencies. And so they still had the maladaptive behavior from the original experiment. And then the kids of the mice with maladaptive behaviors continued to have hyper-aggressive tendencies. And so there was like an epigenetic problem within the mice with maladaptive behaviors continued to have hyper-aggressive tendencies. And so there was like an epigenetic problem within the mice where they could prolong the effects.

This is actually something we could, we should talk to Atiya about with the epigenetic effects, like where you could potentially pass on trauma. This is really interesting. Women are born with all the eggs that they'll have throughout their menstrual cycles. Therefore, they're less susceptible to epigenetic factors, meaning like whatever's happening in your environment and how it influences you, what you pass on. Since they're born with all the eggs that they'll have, it's harder to transform those eggs and then pass on those genetic differences. What essentially is happening

is all of evolution is happening through sperm. So the things that happen to the male, remember we reproduce sperm every five days or whatever it is, like you bust a few loads and then you continue having. So the things that are happening to in your life, their impact in your life, the food that you're eating, the environments you're in, the things you're experiencing, you could say it is passed through to your young through the male, because that sperm can be manipulated by the microplastics or all these other things that are happening in the world. Kind of interesting that like evolution is dependent on the

man. It is happening to women just at a much slower rate. Not saying that these things aren't affecting them. They are 100% are, but they're not changing the eggs in real time. Yeah. Whereas like the sperm can be changed like months by month. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just kind of a crazy thing. Yeah. Like I don't know if this works, but like you go into war and coming back and carrying that trauma. I don't know how that affects your sperm. I don't know if this works, but like you go into war and coming back and carrying that trauma, I don't know how that affects your sperm. I don't know. But if there is some sort of societal or environmental effect on your sperm and it could impact it, like is there a point where you go, I think you got to hold off five years so you can

work through this stuff that's in your body. Like you were exposed to this thing in at war, it could be Agent Orange or whatever like that. That's going to be in your sperm. Or you were exposed to this thing at war. It could be Agent Orange or whatever like that. That's gonna be in your sperm. Or you were addicted to heroin for X amount of years. Like you need to flush whatever you got out before that same thing gets passed off. I don't know if the research has been done to that level, but it's kind of cool to think about.

I've even read some stuff like epigenetics. Again, this might be pseudoscience. But like. Epigenetics is environment, right? It's just like... Epigenetics, as I understood it, is like basically passing on genes and having traits in your young that are environmental from the parents. Right. So it's basically like if the parents experience something, it's possible to genetically pass it on.

That's just what I want to clarify. Yeah, yeah. But like through like emotional shit, or like high stress environments like high anxiety parents having children high anxiety times could create high anxiety children Even if they're no longer anxious or raised in a non-anxious environment I don't know necessarily what the data is on the current science, but I've heard these this is the cool to learn about though Yeah, we should talk to it to you about it. Yeah, just one thing on the rat experiment I feel like people in condensed areas tend to be a bit more open-minded and liberal towards other people because of the close confluence. Isn't that like going against what happened in that experiment? So critics of the experiment would be like a few

things. One, humans aren't mice. That's the obvious one. Like they don't have the consciousness or like the ability to like discern threat or not. They're just kind of acting on it. Probably have lower capacity to change intellectualized situations. And then additionally, people said that this is not a utopia. He called it a rat utopia. There's high-density channels where people are bumping into each other. There's intentional conflict on these frequency corridors

where, one, if you can build an urban design well enough, you can decrease that. And two, in the wild mice, when they're experiencing a threat, are going to run. They're not going to fight. And if you have no place to run. Exactly. They're fighting because they're in an enclosure. Gotcha. That's a good point. You can leave a city, you can run away from a conflict, things like that. To wrap this up, go to jail. Exactly.

More so. Nicely ranging. But as a result, policymakers have taken the experiment and applied it to wrap this up, it's like a jail. Exactly. More so. Nicely ranging. But as a result, policymakers have taken the experiment and applied it to theme park design, jails, all that kind of stuff. Smart. Where they're like, okay, in the experiment, there's only four zones where they can get food, something like that.

And now they're like, disperse it, put it all over. So now theme parks will have food, like tiny little 50 person stands all over rather than one giant spot where everyone can get food because they're trying to lower contact. And I would also say like another criticism of the of the experiment and why you can't exactly compare it to the urban centers in America is that like, and maybe this is why the urban centers continue to thrive is because people move here. If it was just us, it would fall apart. I genuinely believe that. And I think a lot of us end up moving out. Like a lot of my friends that grew up in New York, like have just

moved. They went to the suburbs. They don't go too far, but they get out of it. They get out of the rat race. And like even like, you know, I mean, your sister went to Philly. Yeah. But ever since she was young, she never liked being around people. She was a suburban person. Right. I mean, you guys grew up in a beach community, so there is a bit of that. I get that.

I get it. She's probably searching for that. But in all seriousness, I think that what allows these urban centers to continue this inorganic way of living is this influx of new people hopping on to the American dream. And I don't know if it was just us. Like I think about this a lot. Like we're used to it and we're accustomed to it, but it is unnatural. Well, then you look at Japan, you're like, okay,

very low immigration, very low immigration. And what's happening? And now are you experiencing societal collapse? Are they having the super low birth rate? Are they having this social detachment? And they are, right? That's what people would say. And what is the eventual fallout of that? What is the conclusion of that? According to these experiments, not great. Yes. Just send some Mexicans, man.

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