Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Schulz On Joe Rogan's NEW Club, TikTok Ban, and Trump Getting Arrested w/ Saagar Enjeti

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

Today we’ve got Breaking Point’s Saagar Enjeti in the Flagrant studio. Saagar talks about Joe Rogan’s new Mothership Comedy Club in Austin, how women are now out earning men, Donald Trump’s saga with Stormy “horse-face” Daniels and how negativity in the press might be destroying American patriotism. INDULGE! 00:00 Start 00:13 Saagar's beautiful gnashers + T c** shots + Natty or not 08:03 Jonah Hill really saving the Jews + we still playing Ye's music 09:47 American dream is down big + 1998 was peak for US 15:01 Brokies can't afford gold diggers + Politics has rotted patriotism 20:01 Negativy drives curiosity + division drives voting 22:10 Cultural apathy + comedy is free + men are very lonely 26:06 Women out earn men + Saagar is the cleverest Indian 33:27 Young people are pole smokers but having less sex 37:52 Early days of dating apps were meat markets 39:44 Settling down age is older + Bubble quizzing 45:01 Internet has created cultural homogeneity 48:11 Universities are well endowed + generational college attendance 51:12 Coastal elites are disgusted with the rest + antiestablishment comedy 55:15 I've been to Austin more!!! 57:00 Joe Rogan's Mothership comedy club + Austin might BE new comedy scene 01:11:12 Comedy world is treasonous + Joe Rogan really is unique 01:12:34 Saagar was right to move away from mainstream 01:16:23 Most disappointing - networks asks the exact same questions 01:22:40 Saagar's coverage has impact + celebrating good parts of US 01:29:47 Poverty - migrant labor in Gulf states + Mumbai Beach Toilet + Cambodia killing fields 01:34:05 There are right reasons to be patriotic about America 01:38:14 Civil War - the South are too scared of the North 01:41:44 Agent provocateurs at January 6th + BLM riots 01:45:13 Entrapment - ISIS, Gretchen Whitmer and informants allowed to keep wildin' 01:49:41 9/11 blessed the agencies' cashapps + Agency incompetence 01:51:15 Donald Trump Stormy Daniels horse face saga is a red herring 01:56:02 Dems want to run off against Donald Trump 01:58:01 Joe Biden has made us all happier + Trump anti-vote 02:03:40 Tech bubble bursting + not all layoffs mean the same 02:05:05 Shoring up the banks but they play with our money risk free 02:11:56 We believe Transwomen here + cross-dressers teaching kids to read 02:22:40 Christian teachers preaching Creationism + "wrong until they're right" 02:25:13 Andrew attends real, underground Church + Christian music gets Andrew in the feels 02:29:56 Andrew got got + tithing a lot + loopholes in Judaism and Islam 02:33:12 Christianity ain't all bad + Gay uncles protected the tribe 02:36:29 History is just the triumph of the cucks + alpha wolf was a hoax 02:39:47 L.I. wife blesses husband's gf + cuck shed + cucks are in control 02:42:11 Childhood trauma creates monsters 02:44:17 Historical psychos couldn't survive + Catholics HATE + bribing White God

A lot of people don't even know this about the club, but the way that he's paying comment, you can't compete with that! Yeah, I know! You can't! It's like, he won't let me say what it is, but he said I could talk kind of about it. Bro. It's just complete game-changing.

What's up, everybody? Welcome to Fireground. Today, we have our resident journalistic expert with us to explain everything that's going on in the world. It's Sagar Ajayi! Yo, Sagar! Yeahaya. Go, Sagar. Yeah. Yeah.

Sagar. Go, Sagar. How are you? What's up, boys? Thank you for having me. It sucks. So thank you so much for coming. Listen, we have a lot of things we need to get to the bottom of.

Okay. And you're going to explain it all to us. Because we act like, take me seriously. Take me seriously. This is swag. Take me fucking seriously. Thank you, Al. Thank you, Al. You going to explain it all to us. Take me seriously. Take me fucking seriously. Thank you, Al. You can't do it. We have a journalist on the show, and you're acting like this. He's dressed

good. We're going to be loose. That's why this works. Exactly. The downfall of religion. Don't blame me. I ain't nothing to do with this. Listen, you were talking about the downfall of religion, right? And how America's falling apart because of it. Well, I didn't say that. You said Canada is going to take over.

Are you religious? No, I'm not actually even that religious. But let's pull the graphic up, actually. In front of me. Wall Street Journal. Back to work. Did you see that? I was thinking the graphic was going to just come down.

I thought he was telling Mark to do that. I'll pull it up. Okay, so this is what we got this morning, Wall Street Journal poll. Percent who say these values are, quote, very important to them. Patriotism, 1998, was 70%. Today is 38%. Religion, 62% in 98, 39% today. Having children, 59% in 1998, 30% 2023.

Community involvement was at 47. You got it up here, my kid. There we go. 1998 and then down to 27. The only one that has increased money, 31% to 42%. Explain this to us. Sure. You're here to explain everything important and smart to us.

I think the reason that you're seeing this is a couple of things. So 1998 was obviously like peak homogeneity as a society. But more importantly- You're a handsome fucking guy, Si. He is, right? I didn't reason that you're seeing this is a couple of things. So 1998 was obviously like peak homogeneity as a society. But more importantly— You're a handsome fucking guy, Saga. He is, right? I didn't realize it. It's the teeth where it changed everything. I get so much shit from people because you're the only person who pointed out my actual teeth.

What are you talking about? Most people are polite about it. They're like, oh, he's got nice teeth. You were like, Saga, those new teeth, my boy. How did Joe Rogan have them? He's a sneaky hater, bro. He's a sneaky hater. I was like, come on.

He was born with nice teeth. Why is that hating? No, no, no. I'm excited. It's totally fine. You bought them teeth. They're your teeth. Yes.

Okay, let's address the teeth. So I actually had a problem. Let's address it, bro. I had a huge problem. I thought you had the same teeth as me this whole time. Big ass teeth. No reason. I had misaligned teeth here in the back.

And right before breaking points, I went to this orthodontist to fix it. She's like, I give you two options. She's like, we can either put in new ones. This Iranian woman, lovely lady. She's like, we can either do the. Sorry, go on. Yes, there we go. That's you before.

Yes. I think you got work done, bro. No, man. I just started working out. I just started we go. That's you before. Yes, there we go. I think you got work done, bro. Yeah, no, man. I just started working out. I just started working out. I swear to God. Did you ice plunge? Yes, actually, Huberman got me an ice plunge.

Really? Yes, shout out to him. Shout out to the cold plunge. I think he's on the peptides. Oh, you're on the peptides? Be honest. I wish I was on the peptides. Oh, Zempic?

No, I refuse to take semaglutide, nothing. Dr. Lane Norton, shout out to Lane Norton. Calories in, calories out. Starve yourself. Not starve yourself. Eat at a caloric deficit and work out a lot. That's it. Is that called the be gay diet?

Actually, gay men have been doing it for centuries. Oh, I was right about that. Oh, yeah. Any bodybuilding gym in this country is just full of gay dudes. And they look way better than them, too. If you need fitness advice, you should go to a ripped gay dude. Am I turning them on right now? Oh, I bet.

Ripped gay dudes obviously know how to work out. 100%. I mean, they weren't always... I know everything. Brolic. You're saying centuries. You know, I mean, in the 80s they were getting pretty skinny.

Have you ever seen some photos of like the Greek guys working out? Oh, yeah, 100%. But Theo had an interesting theory about this. He was like, because they're on semen. He said they're on semen. And that's just raw testosterone.

Yeah, just mainlining. Yeah, no peptides, no zempit. What do you mean you're not sure how it works? Not sure if there's testosterone. Is there testosterone in semen? That's where testosterone comes from. Let's check it. Pretty sure it's from the gonads.

Is there testosterone in sperm? But it's not in the sperm. I don't think it's in the semen. Substantial concentrations of testosterone are not only present in male circulation, but's not in the sperm. I don't think it's in the semen. Substantial concentrations of testosterone are not only present in male circulation, but also in ejaculate. Okay.

I'll go with the smart guy. Derek, more place, more dates. Is it like synthesized? There's a difference between free testosterone versus outside testosterone. But that's why I know he's not really committed

to that fitness life. Oh, really? Because he'd be sucking at the tap if he really wanted the good testosterone. But he wants to get the peptides. He wants the Cause he'd be sucking at the tap if he really wanted the good tea. But he wants to get the peptides, he wants the steroids.

Listen, there's a tap, it's got the rawest tea on the planet. Tell Derek to do that dude. Derek! Derek, put the video out. Slurp, slurp my boy, if you really want to get them gains. Dude, brains for gains man.

That's the new, we got more. More veins, more gains bro. That's what it is. We gotta start that dude. We need Derek on the pod. You should get him dude, he's awesome. I like that new. More veins, more gains, bro. That's what it is. We got to start that, dude. We need Derek on the pod. You should get him, dude. He's awesome. I like that shit. I've never interviewed him.

That's how I know I'm getting in shape if Derek outs me. Oh, yeah. One day in the future, I get a video. Natty or not? He'll do it. He'll do it just for the views. Oh, no. That's my boy, Cody KO.

Who is that? Natty or not? Cody, what am I missing? He has that big brolic ginger motherfucker that's at the gym walking up to people asking if they're Natty or not. Oh, I haven't seen that. Oh, what or not. Oh, I haven't seen that. Oh, what? Yeah, no, I haven't seen it.

Dude, get on TikTok, your favorite app. I don't use TikTok. Why? There you go. That's why. Why? We've gone through it before. That's why the TikTok CEO is up there.

Kenny K.O., by the way. What? Kenny K.O. I know, but I call him Cody K.O. Why? That's a different guy. Cody K.O. is that I got it wrong, but now it's become a thing. I think that's Tiny Meat Gang, Cody K.O.

Yeah. Yeah, Cody K.O. is a different guy. become a thing. I think that's Tiny Meat Gang, Cody KO. Yeah, Cody Ko is a different guy. Oh, that's that Chinese guy on Tiny Meat Gang? The little Chinese white guy on Tiny Meat Gang? That's Cody KO? Yeah, exactly. He's not on the truth. Okay, he's not Natty or not?

No, no, no, no. Okay, just making sure. Kenny KO. Shout out to Kenny KO. Send me one of his things. Listen, he's the goat, bro. You in the middle of the tricep.

He's like, Natty or not? You're like, bro, what? He doesn't finish this set. Natty or not, motherfucker? Are you cheating? It's not cheating.

I respect people who are enhanced. Just can't do it myself. Natty or not? 100% Natty. I wish I wasn't. Well, I guess. What are you talking about right now?

Does that count? I don't know. Does that count? Does that count? Fucking lie to your face. Does teeth count? Does the teeth count? It has no performance enhancing. I can't eat into apples. I can't like bite into apples.

I wouldn't say that's like enhancing my performance. All of us are half erect now. Just looking at these. But before, before it wasn't that. With the gap in the teeth. Did you get fake gums too or something? Your gums look great as well. No, dude, they didn't do anything to your gums. Really? Yeah the gap in the teeth. Did you get fake gums too or something? Your gums look great as well. No, dude.

They didn't do anything to your gums. Really? Yeah. Although it did hurt. Well, I mean, like I said, she was like, you can do two years of Invisalign or maybe three years of Invisalign. She's like, or I can fix this right now. And I was like, just fix it right now.

I had to sell my car actually to pay for it. This is before Breaking Boys. Way before Breaking Boys, dude. Wow. That's the funny thing. I had it lined up. I didn't even know it was going to start BP, but it was all scheduled at the same time. So I also didn't

know how long that it was going to be painful. So I was on the air the next day and my face was all swollen up like this. And then I was on Rogan six days afterwards. Literally six days. So it was like brand new. Still was like drinking out of a straw. No! I swear, dude.

Why didn't you just do Invisalign? There's just like a lot of maintenance that goes with having this. Do you know anything about Invisalign? I had it. Invisalign is fucking crazy. Yeah, but it's like, you can't drink coffee.

You can only drink, what, twice a, you can only take it out twice a day. It's a huge pain in the ass. That's nonsense. I had Invisalign, bro. Did you? Yes. Okay, well she's telling you.

With the rubber bands as an adult. Maybe she, maybe she took me for a ride then, this woman. She took you for an expensive ride. It was literally the same cost basically regardless. Magic carpet, right? We got to raise these jokes.

Okay. So listen, Sagar, can you explain what's going on with the Jews? Oh, what is it? Don't answer that. Who do we owe it to right now? If you can tell. Wait, what? So who did Kanye say that he owes?

It was Jonah Hill. Jonah Hill. That's right. Thank you, Twitter. Which I had actually ironically just watched like a week and a half ago. It's great. Good movie.

I strongly suggest... Good movie. I wouldn't call it the best. I wouldn't call it... It's very stupid, but it's very funny. It's very funny. I saw a good tweet. It was like,

showed him 21 Jump Street, didn't help, and it was just Mel Gibson. I thought he loved everybody, though. Who, Mel? No, Kanye. Remember his fake fucking bullshit excuse? The racist cover is always, I love everyone, or I hate everyone. He basically got behind

Nazi propaganda, and then just said he loves the Nazis. He says, I love everybody. And then now, yesterday, or a couple days ago, he's like, well, now I like the Jews. What do you guys think is going on with that like was it attention was it just completely out of his fucking mind

yeah he's an insane person that happens to be good at making music just sad yeah sad yeah it is sad that we miss out on music

it's sad for us I mean they're still bumping Kanye in every gym that I walk into it's never stopped isn't that interesting no it is true I can't

actually Jordan Shallow said that I think he was like man he's like the one thing you know with Kanye, they will never stop playing his music. Isn't that crazy? It's true. It's like when power comes on in the gym, you're like.

I can't play the gym with you, bro. Okay. No, I do want to go over some serious things, and I'm going to try to be serious here as much as I possibly can. Yes. So, listen. Stop it, Miles. Miles, stop it.

We're serious journalists on this show. You look like a bad guy, Miles. Miles, stop it. We're being fucking, we're serious journalists on this show. You look like a bad guy in Batman. Scarecrow? Who? Scarecrow? What was Scarecrow?

Oh. Cillian Murphy. Cillian Murphy. Yes. No, this, I'm on my little Nicky shit right now. Okay.

Okay, listen. We have serious topics that we all want to touch. Obviously, I want to figure out what's going on with Trump. I want to figure out what's going on with this banking collapse

and I want to figure out what's going on with TikTok and I want to figure out what's going on with Trump. I wanna figure out what's going on with this banking collapse and I wanna figure out what's going on with TikTok and I wanna figure out what's going on with the religion in America. I do think and I definitely do feel like one patriotism down big, I was at a Pilates studio the other day. Yes homo. And I was, this girl said she was afraid to wear

an American flag shirt to another woman. And then she goes, why? And she goes, oh, you know, the whole like January 6th or whatever. It's like, what does that have to do with anything? And she just associates American pride with like extreme right-wing awesome guys. That's actually very sad.

But if you think about it, it's not actually a crazy development because if the patriotism number was at 70% in 98, well, what happened after 1998? Why did it start to come down? Internet. Iraq. Iraq was the actual problem. So if we like 1998 was what we call like the unipolar moment where America was this preeminent world superpower. The only war we had done in the last 30 years was the Gulf war, which, you know, like, look, there's criticism of the Gulf war, like, whatever. At the time- Is that just because you're not counting Vietnam as a war?

I'm saying it's 30 years after Vietnam. So it's like, when did we leave Vietnam? 1975. But technically, we started winding down major American combat presence, like, 1971. So 1998, we're on top of the world. It's pre-dot-com crash. Think about it.

Your parents, like, retirement portfolios, they were putting money in. They were getting, like, 25%, 30% year over year return. That's how, and also their home values are going up. Again, no Iraq. Clinton was president. Our biggest problem was the president got a blow job in the Oval Office.

Even after that, he had a 62% approval rating on the day he left office. This moment doesn't exist anymore. And then if you see, like 2019, we were already down to 61%. But I think that the big drop from 2019 to 23 is actually, I wouldn't even put January 6th in that one. What that is, is total loss of confidence in the government post COVID. So it's on the right wing,

you're like lockdowns, the, you know, whatever stimulus check, uh, they robbed the election from Trump. That's one. But then on the left wing, you're like, I can't even believe that stormed the Capitol. Trump didn't get convicted. Um then on the left wing, you're like, I can't even believe they stormed the Capitol. Trump didn't get convicted. People are still going out to eat. The complete bifurcation of both poles of the country is what makes people less patriotic. And that's why even amongst right wingers in that same poll, only some 56% or whatever said that patriotism was important. Because they don't feel as much confidence in the government.

So it's really bad. Is it bad or is it justified? I mean, maybe. I mean, I just gave a pretty good case for it. That's the thing. If we're both upset at these institutions and how these institutions have been failing us and our confidence in these institutions

is directly correlated with our patriotism, it makes sense that it's low. That's why, no, I mean, I don't want to shit on everybody. Can we scroll down to money? That's actually the most interesting one to me, is that 31%, because actually you had a much better chance of getting rich and being upper middle class in 1998 than you did today.

But the reason why people put more value on money is- There's nothing else to put value on. That's the only thing that you can feel good about yourself. I might as well be rich. It's much tougher, right? So one of the things is if you lose community, you lose having kids, you lose patriotism, what's the one thing that you can't have? Money. And one of the things – actually, I think I might have even pinned one of the comments, which is that one of the reasons why it's justifiable is that if you look at the earlier generations, they didn't have the – they had the luxury of not having to worry as much about money.

They could buy a house, a starter home, for example. They could appreciate in value. They're not dealing with global economic collapse every 15 years. They don't have to deal with 2008 and 2023 and 2020, COVID, Iraq, Afghanistan, all this bullshit into a single lifetime. You hear these stories from people who grew up in New York in the 70s. I worked at a grocery store, second groceries. I had an apartment. I could support my family doing that. Okay. You're in my parents, Akash. My dad got here in like 1988. He's like graduated, had a PhD, whatever. Starts as a professor. You can go from apartment to house, get a nice house. My mom worked, but she didn't necessarily have to work. My sister and I got to

go to college. Like this was a standard American dream that was cool for immigrants and for most American citizens, by and large, by 1998. Then the collapse, basically, of the banks in 2008, that removes a lot of the undergirding for a lot of people because even the people who went back into the workforce, they were mostly underemployed. So they were making money, but they didn't have benefits. They didn't have health insurance, not able to buy a house. Home prices skyrocket with cheap money at the same time, zero interest rates. So now everybody is trying to chase the dollar because that's the only way that, how are you supposed to have kids if you don't have any money? I agree with this. The average home, average childbirth in the US is like $31,000. Somebody fact check me on that,

please. But it is pretty expensive. We don't do that. Okay. Well, I want But it is pretty expensive. Well, I want to put out good information. Do you think also, I agree, that makes a lot of sense. Another part could be religion specifically, more than all these other factors. If there is, because I am religious, but religion is, they always say, the opiate of the masses. As that loses a foothold, people start to be less like, it's okay. There's a lot of like, it's okay to be poor if you're religious.

So that's a conservative argument. God will reward us in the end. I buy some of that. Look, this is all like multifaceted. There's no one explanation for any of this. Like I could, that's the religious example. Like, well, at the moment we lost God, then we stopped having care about kids.

We stopped about community involvement. And that's when people start worshiping the dollar. But I'm a little bit skeptical of that because we've had high periods of religiosity in the US, which coincide with high periods of making a shitload of money. So if you look at like the second great awakening here in the U.S., major Protestant gains was like during the 1970s, right before the massive boom of the 1980s with financializations. Evangelicalism was tied directly to the boom after Reagan became president in 1983. So it's not like one-to-one, right?

It's not one-to-one. But at the same time, it's part of it. I would just say, look, when America, the number one cause of death for 18 to 49 right now is opioid drug overdose. If you are a young person, whenever you're surveyed, by and large, you're saying that you're not getting married because you don't have enough money. A lot of young males, I don't know if you guys saw this.

Actually, I'm fascinated by this, which is that the number of young single men today is 63%. The number of young single women is like 31%. So everyone's like, well, how does that make sense? Younger women are dating older men because they have more money. They have more resources. He's up. And when you look at it, that's actually not a good thing. Think about it. Tell that to my wife.

Wait, wait, wait, why isn't that good? I think that's always how it's been. Well, yes, it's always been that way to a certain extent, but when we had gender parity, it was basically a male was able to attract a woman of his own age because he had the social proof, the resources. So one of the big problems we have right now is that,

and you know you- Gold digging bitches? Well, you could say that. It seems like that's what you're describing. Actually though, it's not all money though. What you're saying is that young guys don't have enough money for gold digging bitches? Is that what you're saying?

What I'm saying is that the system is structured in a way that men are no longer attracted to women, specifically young single women. So why is that? So if you look at – Why am I single, Sagar? Maybe it's the haircut. Can I speak out for the Flagrant 2 podcast listeners who sometimes miss out on the visuals as an avid listener myself?

Andrew currently has his hair in front of his eyes. I know you're driving your car. You're probably – it's driving crazy. I'm not speaking from personal experience or anything like that. Anyway, so. Check it out on YouTube. Check it out later on YouTube. You can see my sick haircut.

Wow. He's doing a sequel to this movie, actually. This is why he's throwing it out. Oh, yeah. Simple Jack. Great movie. Okay, so I agree with you. I think it is, I think it is multifaceted. I do, I do subscribe to that a little bit. I think that as you have like a reduction of religiosity,

you have a different priority in terms of your life, right? When God is the first thing in your life, building a family centered around that devotion to God seems like the best available option. Yes. And I think that when God is seems like the best available option. Yes. And I think that when God is no longer the focal point of your life, you are, you are individualized in your pursuits. And then that will take you into oftentimes a career and that career will maybe extend your single life and definitely extend your life without children.

Yes, absolutely. So I think a lot of these different things, I think that's what you're trying to tap into as well. But I agree with you. It's like, it's a, it It's like it's a peculiar time. I'm actually okay. I don't think we should have dogmatic patriotism. Okay, let me back up on this.

So I don't think we should have dogmatic patriotism. What is that called? Jingo? Yeah, jingoism. Jingoism, yeah. I do think that we should hold the government accountable. I think we should hold the government accountable. I think we should hold ourselves accountable.

But at the same time, I think patriotism can exist outside of what the current government is doing. Yes. Right? Because the government is a function of the people that we elect, right? So we can elect some new ones and do some different stuff, and then we can be more proud of ourselves. But the ideals of America, we could also always be proud of that. We should always be patriotic about the ideals. Right. So how do we create these two different, how do we create these two different scenarios where we're like, yo, the government's fucking up, we're going to change it. And we know we can change it because we have to uplift

these ideals. The problem is we're electorally like in a doom spiral, where if you look at the Trump inaugural address, 2016, it was extraordinary because very few times in American history has a president come in and said, everything sucks. Like the American carnage speech. Usually the inauguration is about- What's the American carnage? That was the title of his inauguration, where he was like, our decade of American carnage is over. And he was describing like a country rotted out without its promise, how he was going to restore it. But it was a negative, not necessarily a hopeful message. That's how we won the election, to be clear. But part of the issue with that is that American politicians almost always tried to come

from a position of, like if you think about the FDR famous, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. That was, okay, we're in a bad state, the Great Depression. It's gonna get better. We're gonna get out of it. But that really wasn't the tone. And if you look also, even at the reason why I think Biden ultimately won in 2020 is he was still willing to offer that like hope boomer level of hope. Just like America's great, man. Come on, man. You know, come on, man. That is, that's like a foundational American spirit. So I agree with you, but the problem is that for politicians right now and media also, let's be honest, is there's actually a new study just came out that negative headlines click more, that negativity creates more engagement.

Of course. Of course it does. Like, look, we're all living in the real world here. We have to. So the problem is that negativity is what drives more political engagement. Negativity is what drives curiosity. Yes, of course. It takes our attention because negativity kills you when we're living in the fucking jungle, right?

Like a lion's coming. You have to be cynicism. You have to be like, what's going on? I'm going to think about that fucking lion. You have to be cynical to survive. If a little piece of fruit is there, I'm like, oh yeah, fruit's everywhere. I don't give a fuck. Well, there's a good argument to be made. There's a time in American history called the Age of Acrimony, which was between the Civil War and during the Gilded Age. So basically like 1870 to like 1895 or something like that, that was actually the highest period of American democratic participation. So a lot of people don't like to hear that, which is that the time when we disagreed with each other the most, that's when

most people were involved in politics. Well, you know what that was over? That was over what? That was like, should black people be allowed to vote in the South? Like Like how should Jim Crow be? Should we have reconstruction or not? Should we tax billionaires or not? But that's also like, you know how the majority of 21 year olds go to a bar and drink? Yes. It's like they just got the ability. Yeah. So I think black people are like, let me try this voting thing out. That's not bad. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course they're going to vote for a little. When were they allowed to vote vote I think we're looking at 1865

is when slavery ends and then when do black people get well that's the thing about like actual voter

look voter participation then is difficult more what I'm pegging is not the overall number but percentage based of overall voters participating in the process

that was during the age of Ackerman to your point the highest participation voter participation I've seen in my lifetime is 2020 yeah that's right exactly but guess what in the same. Right, right, right. That was during the age of Akron. To your point, the highest participation, voter participation I've seen in my lifetime is 2020. Yeah, that's right. Exactly.

But guess what? In the same age of Akron. The number one reason that people voted for Joe Biden. Division is what makes people vote. The number one reason people voted for Joe Biden was they're like,

I fucking hate Trump. They're like, I don't care about anything about Biden. Nobody voted for Biden. Well, I mean. Oh, they voted against. Exactly.

I was like, how deep are we going? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know there's election. You say it. It was. Yes. I was like, how deep are we going? He didn't know there was a lecture. It was rigged. I'll count it. Okay. Okay.

So can you explain to me right now why there is a cultural apathy right now? This is kind of what I feel. But I feel like people are far less engaged. Yes. I feel like nobody gives a fuck about pretty much anything. And for some things, that's, I mean, some people think it's good. I don't know if it's exactly good. But for example, for comedy, I think you can say anything you want on stage anymore.

I don't think there's anything taboo. Talk about any subject. It doesn't matter. I don't think anybody's getting canceled, thrown out, whatever. On stage. On stage. Yeah. On stage.

Where there was a time five years ago where I was like, oh my God, you're taking that opinion. That's fucking dangerous. What's wrong with you? You're crazy. I think that time is kind of done. I think there's an overall apathy. I think there's global economic collapse, right, at our doorstep.

Nobody cares. One phone call maybe to a friend like, yo, is Chase going down? No? Like, don't even make me look into it. I have a group chat with three friends where we didn't even Google. We hit our one friend, and he was like, no, you're good.

Chase is good. We took his word for it. Isn't that fucking crazy? He was right, actually. He was right? So why is there this cultural apathy? Why do you think? You don't have to give us the actual answer.

Obviously, it's hard to prove. Why do you think we just don't care? Right now the actual answer. Obviously, it's hard to prove. Why do you think we just don't care? Right now, I mean, it's, again, atomization. I would say atomization is probably it, number one. As in everybody— Don't do that shit where you say a word and act like we know what it is. I went to science. You made that up.

I'm still thinking of jingle whistlers. Google it. You made that up. Google it. What is atomization? Google atomization. Is that when you take your rib out to make some pussy and then you fuck it? Atomization is, give me an official definition.

Atomization. It's lonely being off by myself. First, you're breaking bonds in substance to obtain its content atoms in a gas phase. That don't apply to what you said, though. No, because it's breaking apart from a collective whole. So as in, when I say atomization. Son, if your teeth were more fucked up, I wouldn't believe in it. All right.

But you can say that word with them teeth and I'm just like, nah, this guy's smart, bro. Look at his perfect ass teeth. It's all in the teeth. Yes, it is. All right, so I would say it's individualism. So, for example, like when we look at the number of friends that men report having, the number has dropped from, I believe it was like four to five close friends 20 years ago. Now it's a significantly higher percentage of one and zero.

The zero number has actually gone up the highest. This gets back to the single male problem. That's scary. That's very scary. Well, the other thing is- No, that's not true. They're friends with Andrew Tate. Yeah, that's right. Men though are losing interest in almost all of society. And this is what I worry about the most. So, you know, people look at, people talk about suicide rate, right? People are looking at, they're like, oh, social media is driving teen girl suicide. I'm not saying it's not a problem, but males commit suicide at four times the rate

that women do. Or if you look at right now- We're better. Okay, go ahead. No, we're actually better at killing ourselves. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're gonna be better. Well, we use more lethal.

Actually, the real reason is that most men shoot themselves in the head and then women, there's something about the way that women, I don't, by the way, suicide hotline, et cetera. If you need help, do that. Okay. So. I don't need to be.

Hey, guys, if you're going through something right now, just put on some fucking Ocean's Avenue and you're going to feel so better. Actually, Ocean's Avenue is a great job. Come on, guys. Hey, don't kill yourselves. If you're thinking about doing it, do what I do. Just cover one eye with some hair and go out there and take on the day. I should have known better. Okay, come on, dude.

If Ryan Sheckler can do it, you can do it. Wait, can you, Miles, can you look up the ways that men kill themselves and the way that women kill themselves? So from what I understand it, women are more likely to take pills, something that doesn't involve like I guess like messing with their beautification. It's cuter. Because like if you think about it, it's like a gruesome act to like blow out your own brains.

If this doesn't work out, I still want to be pregnant. Yeah. No, but like there's something about that where they're much more likely to take pills and like men are just

very much more likely to reach for the gun. We're efficient. We're very efficient people. The problem with that though is the male suicide rate is very high. Single men are dropping out of college at a-

By the way, the gender disparity right now in college is fucking insane. We're talking like 60-40 for incoming freshman classes. Yeah, but isn't this like we've realized that it's just not worth it? Yeah, but that's a problem, though, because a lot of women who have college degrees do not want to date men who don't have college degrees. Until they make some money. Okay, but that's the issue, right? Which is that when you don't have a four-year college degree, you're not going to make enough money to be a desirable mate.

And so right now, in terms of what we're seeing, a lot of women who have college degrees, even if they are willing to marry somebody who doesn't have a college degree, that person needs to be like a very high earner. Like 150 to 200,000. Are women making more than men now at a younger age? So that's a great point.

So, you know, 10 years ago, what did we hear? Lean in, lean in, wage gap, wage gap, wage gap. The wage gap right now is bullshit. Like, you can pull this up, Miles, please, which is that women are out-earning men. That's your Miles right there. Come on, man. All right, all right. I've been Googling my ass off. All right. Women now out-earning men in major cities. This is good. Yeah. Okay. But we solved it. Like, we're good. You don't need to hear it anymore. Like now we have a actual gender disparity crisis of boys and men are like not going to college, making less money, killing themselves at high rates. Don't have, yeah, there you go. In New York city, young women, young women now are out earn men, especially under 30.

The way that everybody talks about the wage gap right now. I agree with you, but to be fair, this says in 22 of 250 cities. That means in 10% of cities. Yeah, but what percent GDP is concentrated in those 22 cities? We're looking at New York City, Chicago, San Francisco. He got me. He got me. God damn.

God damn. Things will get better. He can't really say, men outburning women in Jacksonville. I'm like, who gives a fuck? Who gives a fuck? Sandwiches. You can't really say concentrated,

but you got me on that point, though. I don't know what cities it is. We gotta look it up. There wasn't even concentrated. What did I say? Conflict, what is it? It was something. Yeah.

My hair dropped on that one. GDP. I like that. Our guy's about to call us to his hotline, bro. Yeah. My hair dropped on that one. GDP. I like that. All right. I was about to call and see what's on the hotline, bro. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. I hate that we have another Indians, bro.

You know what got mad at me for saying noblesse oblige. What does that mean? What do you think it means? Noblesse oblige? Noblesse oblige, break it down. Noblesse? Noblesse oblige. Oblige is like obligated.

Obligation, so what's noblesse? Nobility. So it's like these? Nobility. So it's like the obligation of nobility. So the idea of noblesse oblige is the responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity. The idea was is that if you were, it's like with great power comes great responsibility.

Let them eat cake. So it's like, no, actually it's the opposite. Yo, you're a fucking idiot. Hey dude, stop acting like you're a fucking idiot. Hey, dude, stop acting like you know things, bro. We've got a guy that know things right here and let's just fucking listen to him and explain our French thing, dude.

Be like there's no pussy getting guys and just kill yourself, bro. Come on, dude. That time I knew I was wrong, for the record. But the other time I really thought I got it. Stop being defensive about it, dude.

Just fucking let it happen, bro. Time to drive upstate. Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm. Stop being defensive about it, dude. Just fucking let it happen, bro. Time to drive upstate. Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm going to be honest. Come on, dude. Come on, dude. You let down all your Indians, bro.

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Wait, are they? Okay. Is there a higher rate? I mean, if you guys want to get into it, we can look at the number. Finish this point. Dude, finish this point. Come on with the stats, bro.

Come on with the fucking stats, dude. How many young coal smokers do we have in America? You just got to power through it. You just got to power through it. Are you describing gay sex? What exactly are you trying to say? Here's a good one. What is a good one?

Young people are having dramatically less sex than they ever have before. Old people, too. a good one. Young people are having dramatically less sex than they ever have before. Old people too. Married people, people who live in Soho, people who do podcasts instead of holiday. Wait, can someone pull those stats up for me? Someone, what do you mean someone? I'm right here. Are you doing the screen?

Yes, bro. Are you doing the screen? I can't tell. Stats wallah. Pull the stats wallah. Don't call me a stats wallah. Don't call me a stats wallah. Come on, man.

You really should do screen mirroring because it's... Yo, he said you can't do nothing, son. Yo, he said you can't do nothing. He said you can't do nothing. Yo, look this shit up, bro. Look this shit up. Yo, son, we good. Don't come to me, bro.

Don't come to me, bro. Chill out. Yeah, you... How does it feel when Indians outsource, yo? How does it feel when you get outsourced too, white boy? Dude. Oh, dude. Fucking take that.

Take that. All right, so what do we got? Come on, bro. What'd you write? Why is Saga so gay? Why is he? What's the answer? Trump Jr. blasts low to Texas journalists.

Wait a minute. You're from Texas and you're a journalist? You got me. What a coincidence, dude. Come on, bro. Come on, dude. Someone tell me another song. Pull up the amount, not men having sex, just young people having less sex.

So there is actually young people are engaging in less risky activity. Young people are having less sex. So there is actually, young people are engaging in like less risky activity. Young people are having less sex. They're not- You think it's possible young people are just being honest now because that's valuable? That's possible. Like in the 80s, if you were young, not getting any pussy, you were like,

nah, I'm getting all the pussy. Yeah, but the teen pregnancy rate was actually pretty low. Well, I guess if you think about it, abortion was legal then. So I don't actually know. There you go. Why today's teens are having so much less sex. I don't know if they are, bro.

Young people in America are having less sex than young people used to. Courtship and sexual changes have frequently accompanied disruptive technologies. Yeah, smartphones and be- I don't blame technology, actually. I'm not sure that that's right. What's it like? I really don't know. I think a lot of it comes down to like just-

It's like you said, there's like a lack of national vision project. They're also drinking less. They're doing less drugs. Well, no, they're doing more pot. They're doing more pot They're doing more pot Less drinking Bro This is it

With the sex And the courtship Alright Hit me Dude No Come on Can I explain it dude

It's in the 80s Most guys Didn't know how good Dick tasted Right Well That bombed Yeah

No So bad bro I lost my accent Dude That bombed. Yeah, no, no, no. That bombed so bad, bro. I lost my accent. That bombed so bad, I lost my accent. No, I think what it is is... Clip it. Clip it. Back in the day before social media,

girls had access to the dudes that would hit on them. Right? They couldn't just be with an NBA star because you had to be fucking shameless to be with an NBA star because you have to be fucking shameless to be with an NBA star. You have to be shameless. You have to go to their hotel. You have to like go to the yellow pages.

No self-respecting girl is gonna go to a guy's hotel room and just wait, but that's how you met them back in the day, right? Or you like knew another famous person. Hopefully you were invited to some party where maybe they were there and then you shamelessly approached them. Now they're just DMing you.

So the average girl has access to so many more successful guys than they did back in the day. So I think younger guys are competing with NBA stars. Younger guys are competing with singers and rappers and all this other shit. And it's a lot more difficult for them. There's something to that. I think that's it. It's very simple. Top 10% of men on dating apps get like 90% of the swat.

Someone needs to pull up the stats. The point is this. Is back in the day when someone needs to pull up those stats. They gave him a little weight for those stats.

You don't even have any names on that. Voila. Stop. Voila. Listen, he wouldn't even look at it. He's like,

someone. These Indians like servants. If someone had a mirror displayed, then we could easily find it I see him getting more racist After this episode We're gonna bring it at you

But real quick What happened initially was When the dating apps came out Like I had buddies that like You know Some of my like close friends They had More fascinating sex lives

Than I did And I was on TV And I actually had like some clout. Yeah. But just from swiping, they were having fucking threesomes, foursomes. It was a meat market. When dating apps first came out.

So like, what was it, 2011, I guess? Yes, yeah. People just meeting up, right to the house, fuck. This is a great thing because girls don't need to feel the public shame, right? You don't need to tell any of your friends. What dominates a woman's sex life? Public humiliation or shame, right?

Oh, you fucked all those people. A guy goes right to your house, fucks. If you like it, you keep doing it. If you don't like it, you move on, right? There's no shame. That body never happened. Right? So they could just have all this anonymous sex. Here's why. Stop it, Mark.

That's the only thing I can find. So the point is, what I'm trying to say is like, initially, girls do that, and then they realize, oh, we're just getting meat marketed, we're upset, and then they reject that. So the first year was fucking insane. Just pandemonium. It was.

First few years. Maybe the first year. I mean, you remember it. It was the easiest thing in the world to get laid. I was in college during this. I feel like I missed it. Shockingly easy, right? My friends who had no fame at all, way more interesting sex life.

I'd worked my whole life to be able to fuck whenever I wanted. And my boy Jamil was working at Expedia pounding puss like a fucking Rolling Stone. It was unbelievable what he was going through. And I think that girls got tired of that. And they're like, wait, I'm not used to being used box when I also have NBA players in my DMs.

Do you see what I'm saying? So the adjustment kind of happens. I think that's completely reasonable. Now, those girls are going to hit an age where they might

still be single and then they go, oh God, these guys won't take me seriously. And then the age of settling down just might get adjusted. So we do know the age of settling down has gone get adjusted. So we do know the age of settling down

has gone, has moved forward. We know that, what, the average marital age now, I think he's like 28. If somebody wants to look that up. You can't call him Mark. You can't say Mark. You can't say Mark.

If he does a mirror display, then we can't. All right, what do we got here? What? There we go, 27 and 29. I was fucking right. So if we average that out, it's 28. So 27 years old for women, 29 years old for men.

This is significantly higher, though, than what it was. Also, though, there's, man, I'll take it back to Charles Murray. He wrote a great, by the way, that's a whole other he who must not be named. But Charles Murray. See the bell curve guy? Yeah, he's the bell curve guy. So he's gotten in trouble. He did write a great book which is biden's favorite book so i'll just put that out there uh called coming apart and what he points out is the why are you laughing

well look he called it at the time so yeah what he pointed out is that let's doing right now. Well, look, he called it at the time. So what he pointed out is that, let's say pre-World War II. Wait, is that what he meant? Like literally C-U-M-I-N-G apart? No. I thought we're like everybody's an incel, so we're not fucking, we're literally coming apart. What he was saying is that America was splitting apart. And what he pointed out is that we are having basically, that's what he was saying.

I said it as a joke first, and then you said it again. I was like, oh my God. You said that's what America's doing right now. And I said, yeah, we are coming apart. We're technically coming apart. Well, I guess both ways we're coming apart. Okay. So, coming apart.

Are we coming apart? We are coming apart. Why can't we come together? Hey, Mark, why don't you bring up some porn so we can just come together? Yeah, dude. Oh, wait. Do you pull up the God, what's it called? The Charles

Murray quiz. I forget exactly what it is. Oh, let's not do that here. Oh, you don't have to take it now. I'm just saying people should go and check. The bubble quiz. That's what it is. Do you want to do an IQ quiz? Huh? Is that? Huh? I'd be happy to. All right. Yeah. Dude, you know who loves this Charles Murray book? Fucking Jews and Indians love this show.

I wonder why. The highest-altered Jews just tend to love the Charles Murray book. No endorsement of the bell curve. Just saying. With Coming Apart, what he pointed out is that the way that we meet our spouses today is radically different than almost all of human society. So pre-World War II, what happened is when you were growing up in your town, you're probably growing up in a rural community, 20,000 people. The available mates that you had to select, it didn't really have anything to do with education. It was

like, yeah, we get along pretty well. We're like 17. We're just going to get married. Then what happens? World War II, the greatest internal migration in modern American history. 10 million people join the army. They move all around. They go to San Francisco, New York. They meet all these people. They start businesses. When they come back with their buddies, blah, blah, blah. So all of a sudden we have a great resorting. We get more income.

When you get more income, what happens? You usually are gonna go for higher cultural taste, usually. So you go to college. So once you go to college, you wanna meet somebody else who's gone to college. Murray's point is that that's like selective mating. So what we did is we went from community level mating to then university level sorting. And now what we're having is multiple generations of that type

of sorting. So for example, parents who went to college, they have kids. Those kids then are going to even better colleges. Those kids are marrying kids who went to those same colleges. Their kids are going to like the Ivy League or whatever. Like they're totally out of step though with people who did never entered that rat race. That's what the coming apart idea is. So the idea and the whole bubble quiz is basically about if you are second, third generation, upper middle class, you have almost nothing in common with somebody who is multi-generation, did not go to college, lives five miles from their mom in Appalachia. You probably have more in common with somebody in the UK, in Paris.

You probably all watch the same TV show. So one of the things that he talks about in the bubble quiz, he's like, have you ever watched like NCIS? And it's like, no, but guess what? NCIS is the most popular show in the whole country. Yeah, there's 40 different cities. 15 million people.

And it's like, but we all probably watch The Last of Us, right? Or something like that. Like The Last of Us, White Lotus. That's prestige TV. That's only X million people, but those people are all the cultural tastemakers. So the point that Murray makes is that coming apart is a multigenerational class difference, as in whether you shop at Whole Foods is a very good predictor of whether you voted for a Democrat or not. Whether you even have a Whole Foods in your neighborhood is a pretty good predictor of your political affiliation. Whether, like for example, oh, Branson,

this is my favorite one. What does the name Branson mean to you guys? Missouri. What do you guys think? Okay, so you said Missouri. What do you think? Branson. The Virgin Atlantic. Yeah, for me, Richard Branson. Yeah, Richard Branson. Yeah, you actually subtract points. You're more in the bubble if you say Richard Branson. You're not in the bubble if you say Branson, Missouri.

Branson, Missouri is like a country music place. I'm the everyman. I had no idea. I'm like, where the fuck is Branson, Missouri? I don't even know what this is. They ride duck boats around. Goddamn, dog. Yeah.

You listen to country music and play. Riverboat casinos, you fucks. So you're just more dumb. I'm more dumb. No, he's more intense. Al, say a sentence. He's more intense. I'm in a. No, he's more in touch. Al, say a sentence. He's more in touch. I'm in a bubble, baby.

Bubble boys, bubble boys. If you ever had a family member who served in the military, you're less likely to be in the bubble. Like any connection with, have you ever, one of the questions is like, have you ever walked on a factory floor? Do you have any, have you ever been sore

from working, from working, from your job, like physical labor? I have some pushback on this. Okay. I think it's a very interesting theory. And I think that the internet completely neutralizes it. What do you mean? There is a cultural homogeny that has been created by the internet. When I was younger and I grew up in New York and I would go to school in California, the way that we dressed was different. The way

we spoke was different. The way that we interacted with people was different. The way that we shook hands was different. Like every, the way that we danced was people was different. The way that we shook hands was different. The way that we danced was different. Even talk, honestly. Everything. Literally everything was different. It was so obvious. It was painfully obvious that I was from New York when I was in Santa Barbara. Now this next generation of kids, they all use the same slang.

They all have the same dance moves. They all have the same outfits. They can buy the same clothing because they get everything from the internet. The disparity of a kid who grows up in New York and a kid that grows up in maybe Florida isn't the exact example because if you have like a very strong cultural stranglehold like San Francisco hip-hop culture is like a really unique cultural stranglehold. But you're not – it's not so different. It's not so strange and it's not so obscure. And I think that's what the internet does. It kind of so strange and it's not so obscure. And I think that's what the internet does. Kind of like really brought us all together. Brought us in the bubble. I think you're kind of making my point though.

Which is that what I'm talking about is class homogeneity. As in... I think it crosses class because most people have access to the internet. So I think that like for example youth, not us. I think you gotta look at the youth. The youth isn't watching White Lotus. That's true. Maybe they're watching Last of Us because they played the video game. Right. But they're not watching White Lotus.

I agree with you. White Lotus is like some coastal elite shit that we think everybody watches, nobody fucking watches. It's a great show. Great show. Yeah, great show.

An awesome show, but the reality is most people don't know the fucking idea of what it is. And even the show in its essence is like, wouldn't it be nice to go to Sicily?

It's just such an elitist thing. Bad things happen when you go on vacation, right? It's just such an elitist thing. Bad things happen when you go on vacation. It's just a naughty idea. These people are working at a factory like vacation. My vacation is going to Disney World. My mom is with me. Disney World is a dream trip for most people.

100%. It's like a big thing. I just think that the younger generation, they're going to grow up knowing everything about one another. And they are not going to be surprised that if there's a TV show, I think like when you look at even like meme culture, meme culture is going to decide which shows are hot or not. I don't see White Lotus memes. I see Last of Us. I see The Boys.

I see all these other things. So I'm very curious what happens to this theory in 10 years. I still think that class is just okay, for example, if this were true, then we wouldn't see then we would see declining rates in college like attending college like the elite markers of institutions. All those still really exist. Like most young kids who are upper middle class still really want to go to college like yes, less but they still want to go to the Ivy League institutions. They still want to be a doctor or be in finance, be in start, any high prestige kind of activity. And those people, by and large, are the people who run the country. They have all the money. They are the

cultural tastemakers. I do think there's, well, well, some, some are, and some aren't. These poor people are, you know, they're like, well, fuck, I'm going to go to school and I'm going to work in a gap like my older brother. Right. He's stacked with these crazy loans. But that's because a lot of people started going to college. Some 42% of Americans, or yeah, I think 42% of Americans have attended a four-year college degree institution. Part of the problem with the student loan forgiveness thing is that it's not really solving the root of the problem as in, this is probably why I was against it. If you wipe out the debt today, it will have the same level of debt in five years.

The issue isn't the debt. The issue is that it's the system is fucking rigged. Yeah, exactly. It's like these people like, uh, Princeton for instance, Princeton is a great example. I did a whole thing on this. They have enough money to admit every single kid for free and still make a profit off their endowment. They just don't do it. Can you real quick explain an endowment? Okay. So a university endowment, universities are non-profit, technically non-profit. They have non-profit status, which means that they are able to take extra money that they generate and put it into managed funds like the stock market, LPs in venture capital, fucking ruin. So all the money a school makes, they can put into extra money after they pay for obviously all the billions or whatever. They can put into a fund and invest that fund.

And for example, I think Harvard's fund is worth 53.2 billion. 53 billion dollars. Which I believe is more than some small African nation in terms of their GDP. 53 billion. Let's say you're very conservative. You're making 5% on 53 billion. StatWallet, can you do that real quick? Can you do 5% on 53 billion?

I'm sure you can find a chart, too, of Harvard endowment growth over the year. But Harvard, Yale, Princeton, all these other – Yeah, these people are printing money. So that's $250 million that they're making just in interest a year. Off the principal. Off the principal, right? So what if you just reinvested that into the students that are going there? But they don't.

And that's actually – and then the limited amount that they do. What do they do? They do do it is they give it to teachers that go sneak viruses over to China. That's what they do. Even worse. I wish they were doing that because at least that would be scientific, what they're actually doing. They do that, no? Well, they did do that. Wasn't he sneaky? A little sneaky guy?

Well, I actually don't know if that was university. That was more NIH funding. Anyway, the problem is they're actually mostly hiring diversity, equity, inclusion staffers, administrators. To tie up but I think Andrew's point, there is a lot of validity to it, but to Sagar's point, where does most of the cultural immersion happen and the elitist ideas and progress and equality

what equality, it happens in college when you're immersed for four years in this like-minded thing and we have kept a lot of lower income people from that, there is a barrier lot of lower income people from that. There is a barrier to entry that keeps them from that. There's now generations of that. So we now had people who went to college,

raised their kids in that, then sent their kids to that. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm telling you, I've said this story before, but when I did shows in Toledo, Ohio and saw Toledo, everything about how Trump got elected made sense to me. Of course. They don't see it as, we see it as racism. They see it as this was see it as racism. Right.

They see it as, this was once a city that had jobs and factories, and now there's nothing. And so when you say make America great again, that means something to me beyond racism. Right, well, exactly. And it's just generations of this thing that you talked about. If you're living in Soho, here in Soho, if you're in New York, like, listen, your idea of the world, this is actually part of what drives me crazy, which is like, all I'm at, those people, they know that they are hated by the cultural elites. I, by and large, they have, they're very aware of what's going on in San Francisco, New York, whatever. They're just like, that's not really for me. But a lot of New Yorkers, San Francisco, like cultural elites, they want the

people in Ohio to be like them. They're like, why are you nasty? You know, people not agreeing with everything that I say. Why, why don't you like venerate my job or hold the exact same values as me? In my experience, I actually think a lot of them are much more live and let live. Today, not necessarily 23 years ago. No person in New York ever even thinks about a person in Ohio. Right, right. They don't even care if their beliefs are the same. No, but they pay attention to them when they vote in the election.

They only pay attention if their vote affects, if the Ohio vote affects the New York vote. Yes, that's fair. That's why I get annoyed when you hear these coastal elites be like, oh, the conservatives are voting against their interests. You don't even know what their interest is. You don't know anything. You've never spoken to them. Dude, there's this comic.

Oh, God, I've got to get his fucking name. He had this hilarious joke about abortion. Oh, Jeff. Jeff Asmus. He has a hilarious joke about abortion. Oh, Jeff Asmus. Jeff Asmus, he has a great joke about abortion. Oh, he's great. He's great, just Jeff. He goes, he goes, he goes, abortion is, he goes, it's such a conservative thing

when you think about it. I mean, it's just dead liberals. Yeah. Dude. He goes, we're not aborting any electricians or factory workers. It's so funny. We're aborting theater majors. Broians or factory workers. It's so funny. We're aborting theater majors.

Bro, it is brilliant. That's so funny. Yeah, he's great. He's a funny guy. He's a funny one. He had a joke. Fuck, I'm going to butcher it. But he basically tells everybody he doesn't care that Brittany Griner was in jail or whatever.

And they're all offended. He goes, oh, you guys really care about Brittany Griner. They all start clapping. He goes, hey, quick question. What team does Brittany Griner play for? And then no one answers in the entire audience. I fucked it up, but it's a great bit. Look it up so. He goes, hey, quick question. What team does Brittany Griner play for? And then no one answers in the entire audience. I fucked it up,

but it's a great bit. Look it up so you can see it done better than me. But it's cool to see comedy coming from a conservative angle. I wouldn't even call that conservative. I would say that's anti-establishment or anti, like,

what would you call it? Fair enough. Yeah, but that's important, right? I love it. Yeah, it's a good thing. I love it. I think it's great. I think you call it? Fair enough. Yeah, but that's important, right? I love it. Yeah, it's a good thing. I love it. I think it's great. I think you need it.

It can't be too, I don't know. One of my favorite, the way of when I found you guys was that viral clip of somebody at Comedy Central executives losing their job. Oh, yeah. You're like, I don't want to celebrate

anybody losing their job. And I just started dancing. Yeah, dancing on a grave. That was like three years ago or whatever. I was like, yo, this is funny as hell. Now they all work at Netflix. But yeah, that was great. That was so much fun.

Well, you've always been kind to Netflix execs as well. Yeah, I love everybody. You know what I mean? I'm like Kanye, you know? You said New Yorkers don't think about people in the middle of the country or like conservative states. But I do feel like there's a general feeling of disdain. Of course. And I feel like that's what you're talking about.

That's what I'm talking about. It's like disgust. It's like what Andrew said. Whenever they said the voting against your interests. Yeah, it's like. It's apathy maybe? I feel like it's disdain. I say I'm from Florida on stage and people just go, ugh.

Really? Yeah, like immediately. I'm saying that to you. I get that. It's the hair. Florida is its own unique thing. The way that Americans feel, and Americans, look how fucking arrogant that is. The way that New Yorkers feel about flyover states or whatever it is, Nebraska, whatever,

is it's pure condescension. It is like, how could you live there? Why would you do that to yourself? You're from Indiana? Oh, exactly. It's a nice place. It's awesome. That's the thing.

It's worse than disdain. Disdain means that you actually have a feeling. I think about it a lot. Yeah, like you're chewing on it. You're stewing on it. That's the thing, it's worse than disdain. Disdain means that you actually have a feeling towards someone. You're chewing on it, you're stewing on it. This is just like, why would you? But it's really dumb, to be honest. It's stupid because they've never been over there. They haven't seen life over there.

What I think is hilarious is now these coastal elites love watching Yellowstone and shit like that. They're just finding out it's nice to walk. Did you know how nice it is out West? Oh yeah, I did actually. The second they move. Have you ever talked to somebody who moved to like Charlotte from New York?

They can't believe everybody's not living over there. Life is so much better. It's so easy. I bet you feel this way. Like I went to Austin. Somebody was like, hey bro, love your show. He goes, welcome to Austin. He's wearing like a pearl necklace.

And I was like, hey, when did you move here? And he's like, two years ago. I was like, yeah, I'm born and raised in Texas. Thank you. I appreciate it. Welcome back. Welcome to my state. I resent Austin because it's a bunch of coastal elites still looking down on Texas while living in Texas. It's fun.

It's a fun city now. It's a good place to be. I mean, when I was growing up, it was small. You cucks. Look, I mean, it's one of those where I don't know why it's not okay to be coastal. Like, listen, I like fucking White Lotus. I thought it was just behavior. I like coffee. I don't know, Austin.

You're the reason why guns can't be legal. I don't know, Austin. You are the reason. I don't know, Austin. When did you start going to Austin? 2009? When did you start going to Austin? Were you vacationing there? Yeah, we went to Austin all the time. Well, no, four or five times as kids. To do what, drink?

No, I went there to party a couple times. I went there to party a couple times. That's why I went. Yeah. Everybody, if you're in Texas, it's three hours from Dallas. Yeah. So it was a trip that we took. I bet you I've been to Austin more than you.

No, you have not. You said you went four or five times as a kid. Yeah. And then since then? Three times in the past year, I guess. I think I've been just as many times. Okay. Maybe more times, to be honest.

But he changed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most of them are kind of backing off. No, but it's like the weakest debate ever. You've been more times in the past three years. I've been to Austin more. No, me. Yeah, where will this rank on your debate contest? Pretty late.

Listen, listen, listen. Is Austin a fucking first world city? No. Does it have some interesting things going on? Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Which is actually a good transition to Rogan's Club. Oh, yeah. What'd you guys think? It was awesome. It was awesome. So I was there on think? It was awesome. It was awesome.

Yeah. So I was there on Saturday. I was lucky. Actually, my dad had an accident. He hurt his leg. So I had to go back to Texas because my mom was in India. But I was back there. And I went to go back to help him out just before she could come.

And I happened to be there. And I was flying out of Austin. So I was like, hey, man, I'm flying out on Sunday. Like, dude, invited me to the club. Holy shit. It was awesome. I've heard it's crazy. It's great.

Yeah. Yeah. It's. Well, it's fun for me as an audience. I mean, you guys get to perform, right? Yeah. Like I actually get to like take it in and be with the audience. Man, it was, it was fun.

Yeah. It's just like the comedy store. It is. It is. Yeah. It's, it's an amazing thing. Okay. First of all, I was like very against Austin being a possible comedy city.

Interesting. I just didn't think the math worked out. I was like, there's like 300,000 people. Now I think there might be like a million people live in Austin. It's like, but like, you want to pull that up? Initially the population density just wasn't there in my opinion for what I thought would be there. Right. And then an interesting thing happened. Like, Oh wow. What is it? 2.2 million. So this is crazy, right? Now, interesting thing happens. Austin has 2 million people. It has no professional sports teams. Yes. I don't consider the soccer team like a professional sports team. Well, but it's not professional. Yes. It's a college team. Yes. That's fine, but not professional. The only professional sport they have is comedy. That's good.

Not professional. The only professional sport they have is comedy. That's good. Comedy has become the professional sport. Now, add on the fact that there is already a culture of going out to listen to music. Yeah, live music. That is how people party. That is how people, you go to the bar, you listen to music.

It is normal for them. And it's always been that way. And it's always been that way. So it's normal for them to just go out and indulge in live entertainment. You don't have to like train them that that's part of their life. There are some cities where you have to train them. There's a reason why the comedy clubs right now in New York, you have the Comedy Cellar, we have the Village Lantern where we would perform at.

They're all in the same area. What else happens in that area? There's live entertainment. When people were going for live entertainment, maybe I check out comedy, maybe I check out music. Training the people that it is normal to go to a comedy show takes fucking time. That's not quick. Miami, I don't know if they have like a live music scene. Like, let's go out and listen to music. But you guys did well in Miami. I attended that show.

It's a little bit different because we're we're not the average. OK. Yeah. That makes sense. We're starting out. Exactly. OK. What I would say about Miami is a perfect example. Like Miami is Latin Americans version of America in the same way that like Hawaii is Asian's version of America. So the things that exist and are popular in Latin America are going to succeed in Miami. Makes sense. Baseball, yes, we're into it. Soccer, we're into it.

Yeah, club nights, going out and dancing and shit. Basketball, heat games are empty. Yes. Because basketball is not a cultural thing in Latin America, right? And you'll see the exact same thing happen in Hawaii. So you have this group of people that like going out, they like being entertained. It's like perfect for that. Right. You have these clubs that start to get built up and then you have the biggest name in media that moves there. And he's like, I'm going to put everything into this

fucking club. And he makes this great club. The crazy thing, a lot of people don't even know this about the club. It's like Rogan's like, I don't even care if it makes money. Yeah, I know. He's like, I just want to break even. You can't compete with that. Yeah, I know. You can't. It's like, he goes,

I just want it. I just want it to break even. Think about that. He doesn't need it to make money. Dude, he won't let me say what it is, but he said I could talk kind of about it.

But the way that he's paying comics. It's bananas. Bro. Bananas. It's like, it's bananas bro bananas it's like it's just complete game changer I don't know how the other clubs will react

because they're in it to make money right and he's developed a model where it's like he doesn't want to make money but to be fair

he's like I'm still gonna do the Vulcan I'm still gonna do like Creek in the Cave which is the sweetest thing which is very nice he does not have to do that this is the other thing that's crazy this is if you work does not have to do that. So here's the other, this is the other thing

that's crazy. This is, if you work at the club, a lot of people that work at the club are comics, you can check out of your shift to go to a spot and then come back in.

In another place? In another place. That's wild. Like, and then come back in. And the other place can't be mad because Rogan will still

perform at your venue. Yeah. It's sort of like Robin Hood shit. He like took money from Spotify and is literally distributing it to comics in an insane way. So it's like this crazy kind of situation that you haven't even seen before.

And now you have all these other, like down the block there's the Vulcan. Another block away there's the Creek. There's another comedy club that's coming up a couple blocks. So in this one space, you can pop around and do five or six spots. Only New York can you do that. You can't do that in L.A. L.A. you're driving. You're driving, maybe you make it.

It's like a trickier thing to do. You can hit the three clubs, maybe, and then you're making, what, 75 bucks in that night, maybe. In perspective, I only did the Little Room when I went, and I did like four shows there, and I made money on the trip on just doing the little room. Oh, so you never – just the 120 people.

Also, I had to pay for my flight, so that helps. Oh, that's great. But even if I – Someone else wasn't trying to profit from the trip. It's very easy to make money. So that helps. That's a good vision. That's a good vision.

It's actually not bad, right? I've been doing this for a while. People are getting – Don't ever mention that again. But even if I was getting paid to perform, would have said paid me on the fucking trip down there What is this about? Even if I did pay for it though, I still would have made money. That's the crazy thing. He did a Venmo request Yeah, I know right Um, but yeah, it was just like I don't know he's he's just doing he's creating a fuck

It's just an insane thing to do and the way he described it was so cool He was like people always think oh when you're a kid and you make a bunch of money, you're like, oh, what am I going to do with it? And you have all these crazy ideas. He literally was like, yeah, I'm just going to do that. Yeah. I'm going to do the thing. Like, I'm going to make a comedy club with all my friends and pay them also. I asked him, I was like, dude, I was like, why have you not been caught up in like just the, the bitter, like jealousy and like, and like rage that so often happens within the entertainment industry? Like it's very con like actors fucking hate each other, comedians fucking hate each other,

like how the hell are you just so supportive of everybody, you want everybody to win? And he was like, martial arts. Because he's a very competitive dude. Right, yeah, oh yeah. Like Rogan's a fucking insanely competitive dude, but with comedy, he's competitive, but at the same time he wants everybody to win

and everybody succeed. And he's like, it's martial arts. It's like a different thing happens when you're like training with your brothers. You guys are going at it. You're literally trying to tap each other out while at the same time helping each other get better. Get better, yeah, that makes sense. And it's like you can do that with comedy. And that kind of made sense.

It was the only thing that made sense why he was this way. You need that instilled in you from another discipline, and you need proof that it works. Yes. And you do get better at jiu-jitsu when you're training with a guy that's better than you. And it doesn't take away from that guy's jiu-jitsu. His doesn't get worse because you get better. Yes. He might even get a little bit better.

Yeah. And when I kind of saw it like that and we explained it like that, I was like, oh, this is fucking awesome. Both rooms are great. They're great for different reasons. That little room is great because it allows you to develop connection. You can learn how to lock in with an audience. You're not necessarily just kind of speaking at them.

Oftentimes in big rooms, you can get away with just speaking at them, right? You do a theater, you're not connecting, especially if you're a young comic developing in theaters. You like you're not really connecting, right? There's 3000 people just laughing at you. When you have 40 people or a hundred people, whatever that room is, you got to look them in the eyes. You can't fake them. You can't be a phony in front of a small crowd. And then the big room reminds me of the store and you learn how to perform. So once you learn how to connect in that little room, now you go to the big room and you learn how to perform. So once you learn how to connect in that little room,

now you go to the bigger room and you learn how to perform. You learn how to fill space. A lot of times people, if you only develop in small rooms, you don't know how to handle a room that has a thousand seats. Like a cacophony of, yeah, okay. Exactly, it's a different energy. You don't know the breathing of an audience in a room that size.

You don't know how to build that tension and then release it. There are different arts that rarely you're able to do both in a night. That is true. And able to see the difference in both. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, sure. So a young comic that's going to develop there is going to get a really well-rounded experience of performance. This is the experience of performance.

Do you think this is the death of L.A.? And also, do you have any other cities where this could happen, even if there's no Rogan? I have a possible candidate in mind, but not having Rogan could be big. So death of L.A., I don't know. This is what I think. I think if you're – once this pay scale is out there in the world. Which it will happen. It will. Once, if you're a young comic, are you

going to come to New York and toil away in obscurity for four years and destitute poverty? And being in New York rich is the shit. Being New York poor, you're probably something. I've been poor in New York, I swear, so many times I was like,

this is not America. There's so many fucking mice running by my face. This is not the America my parents were promised. And for that same money, you were living okay maybe in a part of Texas. In Austin, it's an expensive city in Texas. You can live a good life. You can still split a house with some guys. It's 30 minutes out of the city.

You know what I mean? You'll have a car out there much easier. So live in a It's 30 minutes out of the city. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? And a car. You'll have a car out there much easier. So live in a suburb. Live in Pflugerville. Drive in. Who gives a fuck? Right, right. Pflugerville's a place you would know if you were a Texan, but it's like an hour.

Most people who just moved to Austin are like, Pflugerville? What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you went there? Yeah. Yeah, I did. You drove through it? Yeah, I drove through it.

You're so much better at Austin. I'm just a real Texan. So my gripes are from a Texan, you know what I mean? No, no, no, no. But the candidate, I think, potentially— But real quick, just to finish that idea. So do you come here and then compete with the best comics in the world for stage time, which is going to be very difficult? Or do you go to a new city where the

best comics in the world haven't moved there yet and the new ones haven't developed into it yet? There's stage time and money and seven clubs without the same level of competition. So if you're a brand new comic, do you go there for four years before you come to New York? Do you go there for four or five years before you go to L.A. and try to be in sitcoms or whatever the fuck you want to do? Do you learn and develop your craft in this place? To me, I'm like, wow, that is a very intriguing possibility. But do you think that you guys, like for the whole like iron sharpens iron, like do you think it was better off that you guys came up and cutthroat New York? For me, it was.

Like you made it, but I think you guys actually made it, which is crazy. Yes. Yeah, like. Yes, but you have to understand, like, most comics aren't going up against iron early in their life. They're at open mics. I was. Listen, no, but you. Dead ass.

But for real, and you too, and we were lucky we had some people, but like one of the most valuable things we had was barking. And that means handing out tickets in exchange for stage time. Yeah. I don't know if that exists to the same level that existed when we were there. No. Like every, it felt like almost every club allowed you to like bark for stage time. The beauty of that is you got to go up with iron. Yes.

You got to follow Greer Barnes when you were a year in comedy and you got to see what is amazing and what is not even fucking close when you're just doing open mics or you're doing like shows that are like you know privately booked shows you're going up with people around your level right right and living with rats and destitute poverty yes so it's so it's like and like if you're from indiana do you come here and just do that for four years? Or do you go to Austin, develop a little bit of an act, and then when it's ready to go up against some iron, come here? Or if you get lucky, you're a door guy there, and then you're following Tony Hinchcliffe in a little room. Well, additionally, because Rogan has got the top thing there, it's going to foster, I think, ideally, an environment where everybody

helps everybody in that martial arts style he talked about. That didn't exist in New York. I think he helped me a lot. I tried to help as much as I could here, but like, there was that rare thing. Most of comedy is an isolated, you have blinders on, you just get funny. Austin could potentially be a community where everybody helps everybody and builds everybody. Rogan will make that happen. And they are though. I got off stage and one of the door guys I'd never really met before was like, dude, here's a tag.

Here's something you could maybe try with that joke. It felt very communal. Because they all identify as Mothership guys. They're like, yo, yeah, we are Mothership dudes. They were all very cool. I got to meet some of them afterwards. I was like, damn, man. And they're all fucking funny. That's actually the key. I was like, you guys are just funny. There's hilarious guys out there, man. Dude, there's a monster i told him i was like dude

that episode the trans episode but yeah no derrick i mean like watching him he fucking murdered on this show he was so fucking funny he still has has, I won't ruin it, the TSA bit. Which he does. Amazing. But yeah, it's just like, yeah, seeing a guy like that. So that's your like up and coming class there. And now those guys, instead of like thugging it out through open mics, not really knowing if the material is going to work for a real audience. Now they have sold out shows to go up in front of every single night. So if they're that good now, imagine what happens

two years from now, three years from now. It's like. Yeah, and because Joe's not so concerned with making money, he's able to be like, oh, this guy is super talented, but he's not like perfect yet, but let's put him up in the little room, a bunch, and really like train him and get him good, because he's not so concerned with like, oh, are people gonna come back? Are they going to keep paying tickets

to come back to the show? Off his name, they'll be buying it for the next three straight years. Yeah, he doesn't care. By the way, it's funny. I was like, yeah, I told my friends. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to, they're like, how'd you get tickets?

How'd you get in? Nobody can get tickets. Everybody I know wants to go in. I was like, oh, yeah. Can I come? I'm like, no, not really. Like, I'm sorry. And think about it.

It's like every weekend, a new person pops in. Yes. Yeah. I think Tim Dillon's down there right now. Timmy's down there with Giannis, right? We're down there during the week. Shane's there.

Chappelle's popping in. It's like every week in a new random massive act is just going to drop in. That's awesome. And the appeal of the seller, anybody could drop in. Yeah. The appeal of Joe Rogan's club, anybody could drop in. Financially, it makes sense, and the hang is awesome. Joe takes care of everyone.

It's a sweet bar, the Mitzi's bar. Downstairs, everyone's hanging. It just feels cool. New York and LA scenes are completely different. You don't need it like you used to. But what Rogan has done, and I hope it happens in other industries,

but it really just takes somebody willing to do it. And the reality is in competitive industries like comedy, like news, like anything, you're fighting for what you believe are scraps. So you don't think there's more to go around. Right. And that's why there never is anybody who does it. And then the person who's willing to do it, he is novel. And that is why we talk about him, you know, in this way so often in the show, it's just like, it is fucking unique novel. And that is why we talk about him, you know, in this way so often in the show. It's just like, it is fucking unique.

I wish people knew like what the real comedy world was. It's a lot of like, you're dapping somebody up, you're talking to them, they're talking trash about their best friend right to you.

Yeah. You're like, I know you guys are friends. Why would you talk about him like that? What are you gonna say about me? Put it this way, the George Lopez clip didn't surprise most people.

Probably you either. Definitely, if you're a comic, you're like, yeah, that's, nothing was, I mean, I'm not saying.

It's just rare that you see somebody like organize like this and then reward the people that are working hard, the people that are good and also continuing that culture.

Like if there's a selfish motherfucker who's just out there for, you know, what they can get out of it and like squashing everybody else, please believe that person is not rewarded. You know what I mean? Like, like they're not going to get on, they're not going to get promoted. You guys aren't going to have them on. It's not going to be like, that's actually what I, I take a lot of inspiration. I look to you guys because news is still in that category.

Like I was in, it's funny. Cause I was in a similar situation. Like I was white house correspondent. I was in the press briefing room. I had two options. I was like, I could stay. Classic job. I was a made man. Like, going on Fox News, doing my hits. I was, like, in the system, invited to all the parties, blah, blah.

I was like, I fucking hate this. And I grew up with Rogan. And then that was what I took inspiration. And then I met Crystal, and it actually clicked. And I was like, hey, like, we could do something different. Dude, how many people told me we could do something different dude how many people told me not to take the job how many people told me not to start the show yeah you're a fucking idiot what are you doing yeah you're not gonna go on fox anymore you're gonna give up all this yeah like how can now they're like hey can i come on the show oh it's interesting your pod what's the podcast ranked at can i come i just wrote a book

my assistant i'm like i don't dude. It's not like that anymore. It's just like you said. It was cable by definition. If you're on CNN, you're not on MSNBC. If you're on MSNBC, you're not. But with us, we're like, oh, you're on of rival whatever. Come on. Let's promote it.

Let's get it going. And then more people will watch us. And I always say, subscribe to their sub stack. People are like, why are you doing that? Because you want to promote your own thing. I'm like, no, dude. Put them on. People want us to promote better people. People are like, why are you doing that? Because you want to promote your own thing. I'm like, no, dude. Put them on.

People want us to promote better people. Bro, you know what it is? Yeah. Have you ever gone over to a little India in New York, like Sixth Street? There's two, that's right. Wait, Curry Hill? There's Curry Hill and then there's the one on Sixth Street. Spice Rose. But there's both.

Spice Rose. Spice Rose is Sixth Street, but there's also Curry Hill, right? Perfect example. It's like, you would think that by having multiple Indian restaurants on the same street, they would hurt each other. No, the opposite.

It makes people go, that's the place for Indian food. I want to try all of them. I want to make sure this food is good. And if the places are cool with one another, they get to exchange information. They're like, yo, these white people do not fuck with doll.

Get the booty bread out or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Dolls, shit. Whatever. So it's like, I don't know, for me, seeing it from that perspective. That's a smart point. I like that. Which is like, this is the district, this is the ecosystem, and I think it's fun.

I mean, look, I wish we could still change it, but I think there's a lot more to do. In a lot of ways, news is like the most lagging part. Like, you know, the comedy, internet came for comedy when? Like 15 years ago? Like it's just now happening in news. Like the Joe Rogan podcast came out in 2009.

News is just now starting. It's one of those where like, we're so far behind the times, but I do think it's a good thing because they are so propped up and like, and man, it's like you said, all the co-hosts. Doing what you guys are doing that are like young and hungry and you would like to promote them? Who else is doing this? Oh sure, I mean like Crystal's fiance, Kyle,

Kyle Kolinsky, he's actually one of the OGs that's on there. I know it connects you with him. I mean a lot of them, there's what Russell Brand is doing, stuff like this now. Glenn Greenwald actually has a new show on. Matt Taibbi is doing it for print journalism. Yeah. All of these guys are, David Sirota actually, a guy at Lever News. On the right,

I mean, or even, I mean, Tim Pool's, I mean, look, undeniable, his show is massive.

Like, this is my thing. Like, put the value judgment aside. I want more people to watch things like that because we have time. Like, you and I are sitting here

and talking about the single male crisis. Like, we're fucking around, making jokes, like all that stuff. But this is have time. Like you and I are sitting here talking about the single male crisis, like we're fucking around, making jokes, like all that stuff, but this is serious shit. Like there's actually, this is not something that, when I would go on Fox, one time they were like, hey, we're gonna talk about American nationalism. You have three minutes and there's three people on the panel.

I'm like, what am I supposed to say? You get your one talking point out, like you can't do anything nuanced. And also you talk like a fake, but you're like, yeah, that's right. And one of the reasons why is because of this one particular statistic. And I'll see you later. Yeah.

What am I doing here? Yeah. I mean, I'm not, and I hated that, but everybody is so comfortable with that system that they, they like it, right? Because that's where the paychecks come from. They're so used to talking shit, going to the same restaurants, going to the same parties. And I was like, hey, this is all bullshit. Like.

The golden handcuffs, man. You know, it's funny. I remember in the press briefing room, one of the funniest things is, is that every TV correspondent asked the same question. You know why? Because they all need videotape of them on their own network asking that question.

So during the Trump, okay, so there's CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, all that. Every single one of them asked same version of the same question in the press briefing room at the conference. Even though it's already been answered. Even though it's already been answered. You know why? Because they need video of them on their network. So what does the president do when he gets asked the same question again? He loves it because he gets to answer. Also, they get pre-picked

by the answer. He's like, I've been 30 minutes with the press. What are you talking about? I'm free and transparent and open. So he'll say the exact same thing over and over again. It's the same shit. Is it verbatim or is it his answer? It's a slight tweak. It's like, come on, man. It's like during the, like when Sarah Sanders, that was the time that I was there. She would be like, all right, first question, Mueller. Second question, Mueller.

Third question, Mueller. And it's because Jim Acosta has to be on CNN sparring with Sarah Sanders. And then Peter Alexander at NBC, he needs to be on NBC sparring with Sarah Sanders. And then ABC needs to spar. So it's the same shit over and over. And I was like, hey, what about the other stuff that people care about? What's going on with Trump, the government? Are we going to war?

I remember everybody in the press ridiculed me for saying, do you think Kim Jong-un is serious about peace talks? They're like, why didn't you ask about Mueller? Kim Jong-un is serious about peace talks. They're like, why didn't you ask about Mueller? They fucking had one of the most important major press, like, foreign policy moves of all time whenever Trump met with Kim Jong-un. And we all recognize that as such. But at that time,

I don't even remember what the fuck was going on. Some Jeff Sessions bullshit or whatever. And they were like, they were like, whoa, you didn't ask about Jeff Sessions? I was like, I don't know, I just think nuclear war is more important. It's like shit like that. If there was one, maybe you already just touched on it. What was the most disappointing thing peeking behind the curtain? That.

Yeah, that. Which was, I mean, look, man, I always loved politics. I was the political kid, you know, in school. Like Iraq war is why I got into it. And I get to the press corps, top of the, the most cutthroat of the cutthroat motherfuckers make it into the press briefing room. And I was like, this is it though? I was like, this, this. They stopped being cutthroat when they got in there. I worked this hard briefing room. And I was like, this is it though? I was like, this, this. They stopped being cutthroat when they got in there.

I worked this hard to get here? I was like, uh-oh. And wait, so, you know, one of the best pieces of advice I got was, if you want to be, like, the way that you know you're in a good career is look at the guy who's 10 years ahead of you. And I'm looking at these 65-year-old motherfuckers. Not envying them at all. Doing the same shit.

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We've swapped Indians. Akash in the motherfucking pilot seat. You're once again. And we got to talk about a little bit of this March Madness. We told y'all. Place your bets. The underdogs are going to win. Listen, as simple as that.

We told you. It's all underdogs, basically. San Diego State. Who the fuck are they? Nobody's. FAU. simple as that. We told you. It's all underdogs, basically. San Diego State. Who the fuck are they? Nobody's. FAU. Fun party school. In the same party school.

I imagine. Not a good basketball school. FAU. You ever been heard of them? Wait a minute. You know who went to San Diego State? Who? Kawhi Leonard.

Oh, that's right. Board man gets paid. Yes. Yeah, that's it. That's all they've ever done. Now they're the final four. Let's go. Miami.

Party school. Great at football, historically. Bro. That's all they've ever done. Now they're in the Final Four. Let's go. Miami, party school, great at football historically, never good at basketball. Princeton? Princeton damn near made it. They made it to the Sweet 16, I think. Or Elite Eight, maybe. They got beaten by Creighton. But if Creighton made it to the Elite Eight, it's crazy. This is a tournament.

You've got to make your bets. Bet on the underdogs. Get some money. Yeah. I mean, now it's so hard to tell. I mean, I've been so tapped out from college basketball I'll be honest with you me too

but that's why it don't matter bro just bet underdogs I have been no I'm telling you it don't matter just bet underdogs if you watch college basketball

all year the number one overall loss Arkansas yeah I think every one seed got eliminated dumb early there's no one seeds left

the highest seed left is four you don't have to watch just bet just bet yes that's a good ass point bet left is four. You don't have to watch. Just bet. Just bet. Yes. That's a good-ass point. Bet online.ag.

You don't have to watch to bet. No, you got to watch. Just bet. Because that's exactly what I did. Yep. Yep. Hey. Yo, it was just as fun. It really is.

You could make an argument it's more fun. It's more fun. You're not emotionally invested. You're just saying if you win or lose. That's it. And you're betting on dogs, and dogs are winning. Who are we betting with? Bet the lowest.

Bet FAU. Why not? Highest odds. That's a good-ass point. All right, so then we're going with FAU. Yeah. And then we're going with, I guess, Miami? Yeah, let's just bet Miami.

Why the fuck not? All right, shout out. Florida. All Florida finals. Yeah. We love it. Yeah, where are you betting? BetOnline. Yeah. We love it. Yeah, where you betting? Bet online.ag.

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whatever you do, whatever you're interested in. Well, me and Crystal, but yes. Yes, yes. You guys are in control. There's no one you're necessarily answering to or serving. Do you at all – do you concern yourself with the erosion of patriotism based on the way that you're talking about America? For example, are you like, okay, I'm going to shit on these three things or five things because they deserve to be shit on. But are you also going, the

collateral damage of that is an erosion of trust in these institutions without couching it with some great things that America's doing? So, I mean, maybe to a certain extent, for example, the TikTok thing that we were talking about on the show. I actually had a debate with Crystal this morning about TikTok. She's on the other side. I'm for banning it. And one of the points that I'll make is I'll be like, look, at the end of the day, US companies are subject to US law, right? Which is that Apple literally told the FBI to fuck off when they said, unlock San Bernardino terrorist phone. They're like, no, we're not going to do it. And they went all the way to court and they won. TikTok quite

literally can't do that to the CCP. So to believe that US companies are the same as Chinese, it's like, well, then that you're saying we live in China. And if we live in China, then what's the fucking point? That said, at the end of the day, we also don't have that responsibility. So sometimes people will be like, hey, you have a responsibility to talk this way about this thing. I'm like, no, actually it's the politician's job to make that case. So sometimes, okay. Like, uh, if I'll say like Iraq is a good example, I'll talk about all the mistakes the U S army has made in Iraq and what we did in Iraq and how Iraq is in my opinion, just destroyed us. I think like rooted us out from the inside. It was one of the biggest mistake in modern American history, foreign policy wise, all this stuff. And people will be like, Hey,

like you should be more respectful because people fought and died in Iraq. And I was like, And people will be like, hey, like you should be more respectful because people fought and died in Iraq. And I was like, yeah, but here's the thing. Like you can't use that as a crutch for not talking about it. And I think too often people will kind of hide behind that. You're sowing distrust. Sometimes I'll be like, listen, you know, to be honest. For example, one time I was like, yeah, I just didn't vote.

And someone was like, you shouldn't say that. You're encouraging people not to vote. And I'm like, yeah, but it was a choice. Like I actively was like, I just don't want't vote. And someone was like, you shouldn't say that. You're encouraging people not to vote. And I'm like, yeah, but it was a choice. Like I actively was like, I just don't want to vote. And you know what I'm saying? They're like, but you're supposed to encourage people to vote. I'm like, yeah, but it's a choice. Like it's a democracy.

Not voting is a choice. Like I actively was like, I don't give a shit. It was like 2012. It was like Obama versus Obama. I was like, yeah. I was like, I just, I'm not in this. No, you have every right to do it. And I'm not saying that it's your responsibility, but, like, I know that you're someone who believes in America and, like, loves America. So it's, like, how else can we—I guess what I'm saying is my buddy Ben Uyeda, our buddy Ben Uyeda, is a brilliant guy.

I think you've met Ben maybe at, like, an L.A. show. I follow him on Instagram because of you guys. And we were just talking about, like like why we're proud to be American. And he had a really interesting take. And he was just like, you can access the best version of yourself here. True. Absolutely. And like my mom could only be herself here.

I can only be myself at this level here. Of course. You can be yourself at this level. We can all do these things here, right? Like if you grew up in maybe Poland, it'd be harder to build this podcasting studio out, right? Maybe there'd be absolutely no opportunity for it, right? So it's like, and I wonder if it's so enticing

to read stories and watch stories about how the establishment is fucking us up. It's almost like trendy for us to be anti-establishment. Yes, absolutely. Why would we not look into it? Why would we not watch a story about how our government is corrupt? Why would we not click on that?

Why would we not, again, we're tapping into that fear model. It's like, wait, what are you talking about? These bankers knew it. I have to learn more about this. They're just making all this money, et cetera. When I guess it'd be really cool if we find a way, and maybe it's our own personal responsibility,

to remind ourselves of the great things that this country offers us. So one of the things I do on my show, one of the books behind me is called Freedom From Fear. It's one of my favorite books. And it's specifically about how FDR got us out of the Great Depression, where we're literally on the precipice of genuine social

revolution in this country by using the tools of the government. So you're right. I mean, look, whenever there is good news, Crystal and I do the same thing. Like the CHIPS Act, for example. That's something we both were so supportive of. What's the CHIPS Act? The CHIPS Act is funding from the Congress hundreds of billions of dollars towards building semiconductor facilities here in the US. So like Intel's facility, I think, Ohio, there's gonna be a new TSM Taiwan semiconductor facility in Arizona, Austin, Samsung is building. These are like, this is something we actually need. Like it was genuinely hurting the economy. And we're like, hey, listen, no fan of Biden. He's done a lot of stupid shit. This is good. This is good stuff. I mean, I know a lot of conservative

people hate the Inflation Reduction Act, but I'm very pro nuclear power. One of the good things in that is we had technology neutral tax credits. So this is again, something you're not gonna hear about. You know, a lot of right wingers who will attack it. And I'm like, listen, Democrats are in power, they're gonna do Democrat shit.

The best that you can hope for is they don't keep funding failed wind and solar power when nuclear is obviously also. We got that. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. So you're right. Look, anytime the government does something that I'm like Biden on Afghanistan,

I defended the shit out of it. Actually cost me a lot of social capital. Yeah, I was like, hey, nobody ever said ending a war was fucking easy. They're like, it's better than nothing to me. Be like, you know, look at Vietnam. Same shit happened. Not saying, you know, like show me a war that was ended easily that you pulled out of that. Nobody ever ended it gracefully.

And I was like, yeah, I defended Biden on that. I mean, it's one of those where, and that's a good example though. But I think it's great. You're willing to pay the price for it. And I think that's, I think that's great. One, because it makes me like trust you more. You're not just feeding into like my concerns, but also it's like, I don't know makes me trust you more. You're not just feeding into my concerns. But also it's like, I don't know, it's nice to know that we're doing some good shit too. Of course. And we need to be informed about that. I guess I wonder, you used to do it with cinema so easily.

And I think Maverick was almost like a little bit of a reminder, right? You watch Maverick and you're like, yo, we are kind of this shit. Yes, absolutely. You know what I mean? And we need a reminder. Now it's stupid that we have to use a fictitious story to reinstall that patriotism. It'd be really great if we could like focus on, I don't know. Bro, did you

see the speech of the, this is a 2019, it was a sergeant something when he got his Medal of Honor. And he gives this crazy speech where he's like, talking about America's military force. Oh, it's great. It's been like me and stuff. Have you seen this? No, I haven't seen it. It's insane. It's almost worth pulling up.

He basically is like, if you, I mean, maybe we'll watch one. Yeah, let's play it. You guys keep going. I'll pull this. I do think you're right. There's a lot of disaster porn

on the left and the right. And that's actually why the patriotism number is so low. But I think that you're right. I don't see a responsibility. Just to clarify, like we should call out the disasters. Correct.

We should call out the government. We should call out these institutions every single time. I just wish that there was, like, another thing that supplemented our patriotism because for Americans that don't have the opportunity to go travel the world, they don't know what they have. Dude, I know. Like, there's a reason why the people that immigrate here love it so much, right? Because they've seen what's out there. Yeah. I lived in the middle east for two years i went to high school in qatar my last two years i'm like listen people you don't want this yeah you have no idea do you know what it's like not to be able to touch your girlfriend in public like you want that i'm

like you want to live that way because it's real there are actual kings in 2023 and they behead people in the streets it's like you don't even know. Did you ever watch one of those beheadings? No, that was in Saudi, but I'm saying like, you know, in Qatar. I mean, the whole migrant labor thing. I mean, literally while I was- It was crazy. I'll never forget this, right?

So I'm Indian American, right? Yeah. Okay, so what happens there? The guy goes, hey, what are you doing? I'm in a public area, bazaar. And he's like, hey, what are you doing here? And I said, excuse me? And he goes, oh, American?

I was like, yeah. He goes, you're good. So what he meant by that was, if you're a migrant, get off the fucking street. Get off the street. He assumed because he's Indian, he's a migrant. Yeah, they thought I was a laborer guy. Oh, shit.

Yeah, and he goes, hey! And I was like, what? I was like, what are you talking about? You know, my American accent. He goes, oh, American? Go ahead. I was like, whoa. Yeah, Indians built a lot of the World Cup stadiums and all that.

It's a lot of migrant labor from India. This is why my parents left, because the Indian laborers would come to my parents. My parents are also American citizens. And they would talk to them in Hindi and be like, they stole my passport. I don't have any money. Oh. They're like, I can't. They're beating me.

I'm living in a room with 10 people. Dude, I went to one of those places, man, to one of these like migrant camps to buy cigarettes. Sorry, mom. Cause these guys are still cigarettes and liquor when you're like fucking 14 and just get bashed. Anyway. So I go into one of these, dude, there's 12 guys sleeping literally on the floor, no air conditioning. It's 115 degrees. It's like, they have no passports. Every one of them, one of them is like, has an open gash on his arm, like this big. He literally is the guy who sells cigarettes to American teenagers

because that's how he makes his money. And it's like modern slavery. I remember. It's un-fucking-believable. I remember my first trip to India. I didn't go until I was 15. My parents fucked up.

But seeing like the slums, I remember that. And I don't know if I realized it in that moment, but I always thought about that. And when we complain about these things in America, it's like you have not seen inescapable poverty.

You ever been in Mumbai on the beach in the morning? You know what happens there? They all go take a shit in the ocean. I'm not kidding there. Like you look out the window in Mumbai, the entire beach is just full of people from the slums shitting in the ocean. And then two hours later,

there are people playing, kids playing in the ocean. And I'm like playing kids playing in the ocean and i'm like get out of the ocean i'm like this needs to stop it does sound like a nice place to shit though right like it's probably beautiful it's just like open and you're like you haven't seen calling it an ocean is very generous exactly this was like 10 years ago like i i literally saw this with my own eyes as akash is saying. You see that level of poverty. I've been to Cambodia. You see people literally walking around. I took a bus to Siem Reap, where the Angkor Wat is.

And the tour guide is like, do not step off this road. He's like, this road is the only thing clear of landmines. There's landmines there, and there's landmines there. So he's like, if you need to piss, piss right here on the road. And I was like a teenager. I'm like, oh, shit. Who put landmines there? Dude, during the Khmer Rouge Civil War. And it's like you go to the killing fields and the guy's like, hey, you guys see all that white stuff in the ground?

We're like, yeah, what is it? We're like, he's like, touch it. Human teeth. Oh, shit. Human teeth scattered all over the ground. That's where you got yours? Oh shit. Scattered all over the ground. That's where you got yours?

If you want. You should Google the skull tower of the killing fields. It's one of the most fucked up things. Anyway, again, these are all things that people who live in America should know, like what it's actually like out in the rest of the world. Yeah, when I talk about American privilege, that's what I mean.

Not this necessarily, but just like. Real shit, this is literally just a tower of human skulls in the middle of the killing fields. And they even show you a tree. They're like, you see this tree? This is where we used to smash the heads of babies so that we didn't waste bullets. God.

It's unbelievable. Oh, shit. Damn. Do they have remorse for this at all? I mean, it's one of the, they're like, it happened. I mean, it's not the same regime. They're just like, yeah, it was crazy that it happened. And this is like 1975.

Like there are people alive who participated in this who are still alive. And you're like, whoa, man. Just a normal dude walking around fucking selling mangoes or some shit. It's like, bro. And you're like, wait, so you were a child soldier and you used to kill babies and you were hopped up on meth?

And it's like, what? And a lot of them are missing legs, like walking. I'm not trying to paint a bad picture. What I'm saying again is like how grateful I am to be here. Yeah. And that's another point with the disaster stuff. Like the way that people talk about our history and all that. One of the things I think the coolest thing about America is,

is like a guy like me, a guy like Akash can be raised here and can resonate with the story of people we have nothing in common with. Like when I read the letters of a private who fought in the American civil war, who's like, I'm proud to lay my, you know, like the glory movie, right? Like Massachusetts, the Colonel who's happy to be killed with his black soldiers. I'm like, I can say I'm like emotional, like thinking like, I like this guy fought, died so that we could come to this country. And like, that's a story that people in other countries don't have that. They're just like, I'm Polish.

You know, it's like, I am French. And like, that's not a, they tried to do a national identity, but it doesn't really work. None of this is to say there's not inequality or race, you know, black people are treated as well as they could be, it's all equal. But like, overall, we have just seen shit that's like,

yo, this is hopelessness. And you've seen stuff that I haven't seen, which is like, this is fucked. And there's a level of PTSD in every single citizen in this country that none of us could ever understand. You don't think Polish have a national identity? No, but I'm saying you can't move to Poland in one generation and be like, I'm Polish.

I connect with the 18 whatever revolution against Russia. That's weird that that's all you picked up on. It's cool that they're, no, no, no, look, I think Polish national identity is interesting. You know, if you go to the Warsaw ghetto or whatever, but I'm saying like, you can't, America's one of the only places where you can move to connect to a national story. Again, you have nothing in common with and be like, no, this is my history. Like this is, this is like, this is something like I want to care. Like I was here in New York and I went and bought like some civil war memorabilia

from an antique bookstore. Which side? What do you think? General Philip Sheridan, one of my favorite generals, a union general. And he was a cavalry commander. And again, one of the interesting things that you look at is like, why, why is an Indian guy doing this? Like why? And it's like, well, to me, like college station where A&M is. Yes, where A&M is. But actually, they're more pro-Confederate. But the point is that that's a national identity, a story. You think? You can read about our history. You can connect to it, even though, once again, you don't share any blood with that person.

Yes. But that's the best part of it. Yes. Generations of people do. I love reading the way that Irish Americans would connect, or even Scottish Americans would connect with the founding fathers. The founding fathers probably would have disdained them for being like dirty, poor immigrants or whatever, but they were able to take away what they needed to, to build something.

You're bringing up something that I think that we all relate to and think is beautiful. There is a great romance to many of the stories that happened in the creation of America and great sacrifice. And I'm sure you've heard about like the criticism was a lot of Italians even have about Italy now, that it's a country living in the past, right?

And they don't feel like they're creating things and making things. They feel like they're like a museum that people come look at. That's definitely true. And I think that there's, and this is coming from Italians. There's Italians like, I want to continue innovating. I don't want to show people the car that existed in 1923 or the same pasta dish that is 900 years ago. Because Italians

have created so much art throughout the years. Let's let them continue doing that. Right. That's essentially what they're saying. And I guess I don't want America, I don't want our romance and the poetry of this country to stop with the Civil War, you know what I mean? I want it to continue now. I wanna hear about these things. I wanna be inspired by these stories now. And I think that's really important for national identity.

Like, broke my fucking heart when this lady in the Pilates I want to be inspired by these stories now. And I think that's really important for national identity. Of course. Like, it broke my fucking heart when this lady in the Pilates didn't feel comfortable wearing an American flag shirt. Like, I want you to wear that shit with pride because I want you to think about that colonel that laid his life on the line. Robert Shaw, I think was his name. Like, that's what I want. Like, I want that flag to represent that. So, I don't know. Maybe it's a problem we can't solve in one day.

Well, this actually goes to, again, this is like a cultural elite problem where they literally don't know any of this history and they have taken like the disaster version of history and are basically trying to teach it. This was my big critique of like the 1619 project, if you guys are familiar with that. So this was a big controversy, like 2019. 1619 is the year that the first slaves ever set foot on the American continent and were brought over. It was a New York times project where they were like, this was the real founding of America. And I think this is, look, I get it. Like, it's not something that it's something that we should teach. It's something that we should talk about, but you're also erasing

1776, but then you're erasing 1861 and you're erasing people like Colonel Shaw and they're like, no, the Civil War. They're basically embracing a southern lost cause ideology by being like, no, it was about northern industrialists who wanted to take over the South. I'm like, no, it was actually about preventing a slave empire, which is what you wanted at the time. You clearly wrote. Yes. empire, which is what you wanted at the time. You clearly wrote. And I mean, actually there's a great book, Battle Cry of Freedom, one volume, the entire American civil war. Everybody should read that. It was written in like 1988, Oxford history of the United States. This book is, it's like captures all of this, the story, the history, the background, how it got there. And you read that and man, Akash, I bet you feel the same way.

Like, when you think about those idiot lost cause people that I grew up with in Texas. Who were like, no, it was a war of northern aggression. It was literally just about slavery. They would tell us it was about railroads or some shit. No, it's like, it was all states' rights. That's right. States' rights to slavery. That's it.

States' rights to what? It's not really important. The craziest part is it wasn't even about states' rights to own slaves. They were upset that they couldn't take their slaves in the expanding United States and that they couldn't continue to import slaves from Africa. Well, the importation had stopped already. Well, yes, but they argued vehemently against that. And actually, they were trying to instigate coups in Nicaragua and in Brazil to start a new slave trade from Africans to Brazil to Nicaragua and then import them from – this was like literally an empire of slavery. That's what they wanted.

Yeah, yeah. My understanding is that as America was getting carved out and the states were getting carved out, they realized that they were going to lose the race. Because, no, but for real, like you were just throwing people out to these new territories and then it's either going to go blue or it's going to go red depending on who goes out there. People – states are just sending people out, like trying to get as many blues and many reds as possible. But if you can't keep importing slaves, you know you're eventually going to run out. And I think when they realize, oh, shit, we're going to lose this democratically, it's time to cede. That was the entire project of secession. But you know what's interesting though?

Those pussies didn't want smoke. Why didn't they try to conquer the North? Right? That's how you know. Well, they did. They tried. That's how you know the South is pussy. That's not true.

They tried. When did they try? They tried Gettysburg. Yeah, they didn't try. The invasion of the North. No. Robert E. Lee. They seceded first.

Yes, true. Right? They were like, well, we'll just go do our slavery over here. It's like, come fight about it then. Well, they tried. They lost. So it worked out. Because we wanted to fight.

We're like, where are you going, bitch? What are you calling a little boy? We had to little boy them. You know what I mean? Well, it worked. It really did. I love the Sherman statue. This is how much we don't fear the South.

We let them have guns still. Yeah. We're like, you ain't going to ever do shit. Hey, we got a thousand genders. Why don't you do something, you fucking pussies? Yeah, I don't think you want with the South now. Son, do something! Did you grow up with just as much annoying Texas

as your own countryside is? They stormed the Capitol. Yeah, no, and what happened? Come on, you got chased out by AOC. That's right. You know what I mean? Nothing happened. Also, the feds were definitely there, but.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, what is the whole beef with the storm to capital thing? Like, why is this even an issue? I wouldn't say it's a beef. I would just say we should recognize that there were obviously agent provocateurs who were involved in the storm. Not saying they caused it, but they definitely helped instigate some of the violence. That's basically verifiable. So, an agent provocateur, for anybody watching at home, this is...

And me. An agent provocateur is someone who is working with the government. An agent of the state or at least of authority who is trying to take a volatile situation and turn it worse. For example. To make it more violent. Let's say it's a Black Lives Matter protest. That's right. They're walking down the street.

There might be an undercover FBI agent who takes a brick, throws it through a glass window. Let's say that it's Minnesota and a guy has a mask on and there's an umbrella that he happens to be holding and that he happens to crack open a window, which then leads to the looting of Target, which leads to the burning down of a police station. And then nobody knows who this umbrella man is. And then it turns out that he might be a white nationalist and he might be connected actually in some way to the state. But hey, this is all speculation. It's not like that would never happen. So you're saying that that happened in January 6th. Yeah. And in Black Lives Matter. And probably at every anti-establishment protest that's like ever happened. And what is the advantage of that? That you get to squash the protest because it's turned violent? Well, now- Why does the state want that? Yes, because not only do they squash the protest,

the Capitol Police, despite the fact that they fucked up, got over a billion dollars in new funding. Not that many people were fired. They were hailed as heroes. The National Guard spent billions of dollars, basically, I was in DC at this time. It was the green zone from Baghdad. There were literal National Guard

Humvees all up and down the streets. The Capitol is fenced off getting, this is the people's building. It's supposed to be. And one of the hallmarks of it was almost anybody would be able to walk in there as long as you're just getting wanded. Now it's like full blown, like suicide bomber level security all over. We shouldn't forget either that in January, 2021, there were a lot of democratic calls for beefing up like a new Patriot Act, like 2.0, complete expansion of the surveillance state. They were going after – my favorite was the New York Times, if you want to find this, where they talked about how we need to crack – it's like New York Times encryption January 6th. Basically, they were writing about why they need to go after Signal, like messages because people who had used um let's find it yeah uh if you just want to look like yeah new york times encryption january 6th i believe it was written by kevin roos and it's about it's basically

about how signal is an app that hasn't signaled the app the encrypted messaging they're like why we shouldn't have encryption and it's the reason the reason case they were making was, well, it was used by people on January 6th. I'm like, yeah, but people have encrypted messages for all kinds of things. I mean, the Twitter files is obviously a good example of this too. The point being that it opened up room in the elite conversation for expanding the national security surveillance state in a way that we haven't seen in literally since the Iraq war. The BLM riots were actually a good example too. We had someone on our show specifically about a informant and agent provocateur who was inside, I believe of the Portland BLM riots, who directly was instigating

like actual violence. And all of this has come out in court documents that have been, And all of this has come out in court documents that have been. And part of the reason why I also think I kind of have to make a call for myself is I covered a lot of this stuff whenever it was on terrorism. So I remember I would my early career was all writing about ISIS and terrorism. And I remember reading some of these court documents and it'd be like the FBI made contact with this man, 18 year old, after he tweeted Allahu Akbar. And they were like, hey, man, how's it going? You want to go to Syria? And he was like, yeah, I want to go to Syria. And he goes, you should steal your money and buy a ticket on your mom's credit card to Syria, and I'll meet you at the airport. And he's like, okay, sure. And then the moment that you show up

at the airport, they have you on a material support for terrorism charge, and you're going to jail for like 20 years. Isn't that entrapment? Well, that's a great point. That's exactly, that's the point. But at the time we were like, well, it's right on the edge, but he's an ISIS, so fuck him. But if it's that effective, shouldn't we have entrapped more of them? Well, okay. That's the FBI's argument, right? But what about his civil rights? This man is born in Ohio. He's an American citizen. Did he get entrapped? Because if he did, that's actually illegal. Is he white? Yeah, see, there we go. No, but that's the point.

Whenever it was Muslims, most of us were willing to look the other way and be like, oh, the FBI is like, their argument was, well, this is the way that we prevent any would-be suicide bombers. And you're like, yeah, but that's a real slippery slope, though. This is what we should do. You know how like sluts release their DMs with famous people? Like, you know, like, oh,

fucking LeBron, DM me, and they post it. That's what the FBI should do with these people who are willing to go to Syria. Right. Like,

don't arrest them, but just be like, these people are idiots. Yo, Akbar is wild. Everybody be careful of Akbar. He was willing

to go to Syria. Who knows what this motherfucker doing? And then you just let the community take care of it, and then the shame thing works. See, that would be more just.

That FBI, get on that ass. But think about, like, do you guys know about the Gretchen Whitmer trial? Do you want to go to Syria? Okay. Just catch a predator. Dude, just like that. Just catch a predator.

Somebody doesn't like that. They'll be like, hey, you should shoot up the police station and you should go buy a gun. And then I'll come and meet you. The moment you buy the gun, boom, they got you on weapons charge. They got you on your messages.

You plead guilty. You're going to jail for like a decade. If you want to look up the Gretchen Whitmer case, the number of feds. This is a perfect example. I mean, there are more feds involved in the case than actual defendants. I heard about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is an FBI kidnapping plot, which would never have happened if they weren't like, hey, we should kidnap the governor.

Gassing it up. Yeah, they're like, you should kidnap the governor. He's like, no, I don't want to. They're like, yeah, but you should meet this guy and he'll help you with it. And they're like, no, but I don't really want to. But like, no, but you really should do it. And then they talk to the other guy. Like, hey, you should meet this guy. He wants to kidnap the governor. He's like, but I don't really want to. And then it all comes out. And you're like, there are more feds involved in this that go through rogue FBI informant. That's the other part. A lot of these guys are just lawless, like the way that they act.

Oh, my other favorite one, Mark, if you want to find, is about the number of crimes that FBI confidential informants have been allowed to commit. It's like thousands of known crimes. As in like people who are confidential informants. Yeah, there it is. like people who are confidential informants yeah there it is allowed informants to commit 5 000 crimes according to the fbi's own internal data so they're like you sign up as a confidential informant you're like i'm so and so i'm for example like i'll roll up on a drug dealer this is like the classic example but we'll continue to let you sell some like side weed but they knowingly in their own files have allowed over 5,000 crimes to be committed.

This is nuts. What's the guy, the famous gangster from Boston? Whitey Bulger. Whitey Bulger. He was an informant the whole time, so he was able to push. But I bet that they do that with a lot of people. And to a certain extent, I wonder if it's more valuable. Oh, maybe.

I do understand that. Okay, but again. Int should have to answer for that, is what I'm saying. Is that there's no accountability on this. They don't go before Congress and be like, these are the number of crimes that we've been allowed to commit. And these are what the crimes were. You know what I really enjoyed was that episode you guys did with Johnny Mitchell? Yes. The drug guy.

Yes. Fascinating guy. Yes. And he had a point about El Mayo, like the cartel boss. They're like, yeah, he is the guy because clearly he's in on it with the DEA. And he's like, he's never been arrested before. Nobody knows where he is.

He's like, no, we just let him exist. He's the kingpin because at least we can talk. And every once in a while he's like, yeah, the Tijuana cartel's over there. Like, oh, those guys who were chainsawing people's heads off, yeah, they're right. And it's all just like, yeah, but he's also a vicious criminal

in his own right. You just want quality control where it's like, they have to go and say, okay, well, we allowed this guy to do this, sell X amount of drugs, but he got this many people

arrested who sold Y amount of drugs. But they have to make this case to people, and they don't. My point is, is that they have been effectively, they were given

the greatest gift of all time after 9-11. They were given carte blanche, more money, and effective legal immunity on breaking what previously would have been the law. It's been over 20 years. They have less approval than in, I think, modern American history for federal law enforcement since the Church Committee of the 1970s. And there's no serious effort to rein it in. And why not? There should be. We can agree that BLM and Jan 6 were both obviously infiltrated by the state. We just never hear about their victories. That's the thing.

We never hear about the thwarted attacks. That's what they say. That's what they say. There's no proof. Like what? Like letting Larry Nassar molest 236 people? They knew the whole time? I mean, they were tipped off.

Faculty administrators knew. How many? It's crazy. I don't know the exact number. They got multiple complaints. Dude, you shit about it. He molested, I think at least 100 girls or something like that in the time period when he was first reported as to when the F and by the way, in that case too, the FBI agent was actively, who was actively trying to get a job at USA gymnastics while he was supposed to be investigating the case. Why? There's no way that he's going to

be objective there. Of course, he's trying to get hired by case. So there's no way that he's going to be objective there? Of course, he's trying to get hired by the people he's fucking investigating. Holy shit. Look at this. Yeah, not going to face charges. That's the other thing. He didn't even, he didn't even,

it was never held to account. There are like, there are so many little girls who were molested because of this man. Yeah. And they can go on forever. Like there's like, yeah, the 5,000 crimes thing, which I love. Whitey Bulger is a great example as well.

I think FBI and Jan 6th. But I mean, even the Trump stuff. I mean, some, the five dozen crimes thing, which I love. Whitey Bulger is a great example as well. I think FBI and Jan 6th. But I mean, even the Trump stuff. I mean, some of the things that came out for FISA, for example, you're like, this is all you need to just get a warrant on an American citizen? Can you explain this whole Trump thing right here? Well, what, this part? No, specifically. Where we currently are? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. So, oh, man. 2005, I want to say. Oh, we're going back. right, so, oh, man. 2005, I want to say. Oh, we're going back. Well, that's when it starts. So Donald Trump, he's the apprentice guy, newly married to Melania. I believe he's in Aspen. He meets up with a woman named Stormy Daniels.

Seen her strip. Porn star. Yeah, okay. I went and saw her strip at a strip club. I heard she made a lot of money off that. In Dallas. Okay, how was it? And she got on stage, and the guys all in the front row put on their MAGA hats.

I swear to God, it was amazing. And they were just throwing, making her dance while they were in their MAGA hats. It was fucking unbelievable. Hey, you know what? That's a win-win situation. The guys in the front row, we were wearing MAGA hats. Okay, go on. All right, so 2005, they have their tryst.

Horse face. Horse face, as he famously called her. The only Trump you could call a girl, he paid to fuck a horse. Correct. It's like, you paid me. So that happens, 2005. 2016, he's running for president.

Multiple women come out and are trying to extort, basically extort money from Trump, being like, I'm either gonna go to the National Enquirer, you gotta pay me. Karen McDougal, she was a Playboy model. She also got paid off. There was like this whole thing with the National Enquirer, you got to pay me. Karen McDougal, she was a Playboy model. She also got paid off. There was like this whole thing with the National Enquirer about how they were burying some of these, whatever. This is all 2018 drama.

So what ends up happening is that Michael Cohen, the lead lawyer for Trump at that time, his personal attorney, agrees to pay her $130,000 to be quiet. Okay. Trump then uses the Trump organization to reimburse Michael Cohen for that legal payment. That payment was recorded for legal services, not as a payoff. Now, there are two investigations that went into this. One in 2018, this was initially looked at, was whether this was a federal campaign finance violation. Cohen eventually pleads guilty to this payment because the payment was done explicitly for the purposes of the Trump 2020 campaign. So should have been reported to the

FEC as a payment that was related to the 2020 campaign, not a personal expense. Michael Cohen pleads guilty here in the Southern District of New York to this charge. However, Trump is never charged with a campaign finance violation. That was the federal crime. Okay. There's a variety of reasons. So number one, DOJ guidance says you're not allowed to indict a sitting president. But the facts of the case were you would have to, yes, you had Michael Cohen's evidence, but he could have made a convincing case

that it had to do with a personal matter as in he didn't want to offend his wife as opposed to the campaign. So even though Cohen pled guilty to it because he directly was the one who paid it, Trump himself, legal ambiguity was already kind of there. They didn't know if they were going to win in court. Like directly, you violated federal campaign violation.

Because he could make a credible case that it was a personal payment. What would the credible case be? Again, that he didn't want to embarrass his wife, Melania, and that it had nothing to do with the campaign. So he could have made that. He was like, no, this had nothing to do with the campaign. This was like me to save face in my marriage. Like that's legally all you have to – I mean, not a bad case, right? This is something that you could make.

So they made me the case that this was personal. So that was the federal one. The state charge that Alvin Bragg, your DA, is apparently looking at, bringing, has nothing to do with federal campaign because he has nothing to do with campaign finance. He is looking at felony bookkeeping fraud. So felony bookkeeping fraud. So felony bookkeeping fraud is statute of limitations for two years. You can extend it up to five years if that person was out of state, as Trump was while he was at the White House. He has to prove that the bookkeeping fraud, that the payment to Michael Cohen was not only made intentionally with the purpose of a

cover-up, but that intentional cover-up was while conducting another crime, as in the payment was to cover up a different crime. What would the other crime be? Well, that's the problem, which is that a lot of this hasn't come out because it's secret in the grand jury. But it's a very novel interpretation of the law. It's never actually been prosecuted in New York state law ever before. So that's number one. It's a legal theory of the case that has never been tried yet. We'll find out if he does get arrested and indicted, how that's going to work. Two is that the statute of limitations thing is a little bit weird because as I said, the statute of

limitations, two years, if you're in the state up to five years, if you're out, so they have to make the case that he was out of enough time. And they're still barely on the edge of that because he's been gone like back and forth as how that's going to be but to me i just think this is the weakest case against trump like legally he faces far more legal jeopardy in the georgia case that's going on right now which is the fulton county da uh fine two thousand votes or whatever the fine two thousand votes exactly the pressuring the state of georgia's election He also, I mean, I don't think the Biden people can indict him now for the classified documents. Of course not. After they found classified documents in his house.

But, I mean, legally, that one's probably the most open and shut case. Yeah. Where they have him like dead to rights on obstruction of justice. So I think it's a huge mistake for them to try and indict him. I don't know if they're going to do it. I don't think. I don't think they will. I don't think Biden and the Biden administration and the Democrats want to indict him.

Why not? Because I think they want him to run because that's the only person they can beat. Maybe. My theory is the Republicans want him in prison. They want him in jail. The Republican establishment wants him in prison. Exactly. The establishment.

Not the voters. The establishment. The establishment. Because they're like, okay, if he's here, he's not going to fracture the Republican vote. DeSantis can go. DeSantis can probably beat Biden. Right. But I think Trump is so polarizing right now and so toxic that people will do an anti-Trump vote again.

And I think that they can beat him. I think if DeSantis runs, they've got to get rid of Biden and then run somebody else. Maybe. I don't actually know. I actually, because to get rid of Biden then run somebody else. Maybe. I don't actually know. I actually, because who's the only viable alternative? Kamala? She's way less popular.

Not even possible. The party will never ditch her. The party elites will never ditch Kamala. I think they've already ditched her. You can't ditch her. You don't think? No, dude. The power of identity politics.

She's the first black vice president. Like never. They'll never be able to do it. Really? Yes. I think she's fucked up enough where they're like yeah this girl's an idiot

who's your third option you think Pete Buttigieg but he's even worse look at have you flown recently like how's the East Palestine

thing doing bro I thought they did that shit to him on purpose I thought it was like yo don't run this is how conspiracy theory I am it's like there was a few

crashes in a row and I was like I think Pete was getting ideas he's like I think a few crashes in a row. And I was like, I think Pete was getting ideas. He's like, I think we might run for president. I think Ohio's gonna burn. Because, right, it was every flight shut down. Southwest all shut down for a week. No, before that.

2021 was a nightmare for air travel. Then Southwest, Christmas. Then East Palestine. And then, oh, FAA. Don't forget that one. Total ground stop for the entire. That was actually crazy. That was the first national air stop since 9-11. It was shut down. Like't forget that one. Total ground stop for the entire—that was actually crazy.

That was the first national air stop since 9-11. It was shut down. Like, what? Yeah. So I don't know. That's my little conspiracy theory. You don't think Biden runs again? Or you think if he does run again, you think he wins? If he's alive, he's going to run again.

Whether he wins, I don't know. I have no idea. It's one of those weird— Well, here's the weird thing. Yeah. I think that if you ask people if their happiness has gone up or down since Trump, I think both Republicans and Democrats, if they could be honest, not ask if you like Biden, if he's good, if he's doing a good job or anything, just your overall happiness,

despite every possible calamity happening in the world, I think their happiness has gone up. There's global, imagine if Trump was in office during this bank crash, just imagine the shit storm that would happen. Imagine when the transportation ship went down. Imagine, but because Biden never has an opinion on anything, there's nothing to push back against. This goes back to what we were saying earlier about like a cultural apathy. I think what happens is if you have a president that's completely detached, it's very easy to be detached yourself.

Yes. I don't need to know anything. He doesn't know anything, right? Whereas Trump organized what was the most important story every single week. He's like, we're gonna talk about transformers this week. Right, right. We're gonna talk about this this week.

We're gonna talk about that this week. Like, and the people that hated him rallied against it. The people that love him rallied for it. The thing is, I can make a case either way. Oh, I'm not making the argument whether it's good or bad. What I'm saying is that I think that there's this cultural malaise that we're existing in. I think some people like it. I think there was an exhaustion.

Of course. That's why people voted for Biden. No question. That's why I think if Biden's alive, he could be Trump again. It's because it'll be another anti-Trump vote. I think if it's DeSantis, to his point about fractioning the party, if it's DeSantis, either way, the boat's not going to get that rocked, and this guy's more mentally coherent.

There will be less anti-DeSantis vote. Maybe. My thing is, what I always look at is, one of the issues is two years out, who the fuck knows? Seriously, the economy could crash. The Ukraine war could be over. The economy could be booming. The Trump re-election.

Here's a good case for Biden. If I was Biden, I would be doing everything I possibly could to bring Ukraine to an end. Inflation will go down. Gas prices will go down right before the election. Just got a big win internationally. The economy's coming back. I passed the Inflation Reduction Act.

These crazy Republicans didn't get what they wanted during abortion. No more stop the steal. That's a good case. I could make the other case, which is he's too beholden to the neocons, escalates the war in Ukraine. It's a fucking disaster. Gas is $5 a gallon. Okay, welcome back, President Trump. To your point.

Both of these are very within the realm of possibility. If you ask somebody on February 2020, who's going to win the election, it wasn't even a question Trump was going to get reelected. March 2020, COVID happens. You only lost by 30,000 votes. We all forget that. Yeah.

30,000 votes across three states. You only lost Georgia by 10,000. If the same people who voted by mail in the Republican primary vote in 2020, he wins Georgia. The same thing in Maricopa County and also basically the same thing in Maricopa County and also basically the same thing in either Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Michigan. Here's why I think though anti-votes

are strong. The reason Dems won more states in the midterm Senate than people thought is the anti-abortion, they're anti-anti-abortion. Absolutely correct. The anti-abortion law passed, they overturned Roe versus Wade, which for me is just crazy to overturn a Supreme Court ruling. I don't care what it is. Well, what about Dred Scott? Which one is that one? The one where they declared that black men are not citizens of the United States. Starting like 1910? The one that overturned the Fugitive Slave Act.

Or sorry, the... Sometimes they get it right. Starting the Civil War. What about Korematsu, which upheld the Japanese intern tournament camps? I think it was like 1942. That one's still in the books, technically, actually. But I think the anti-vote will still be strong if Trump wins.

I agree with you. Because Democrats have proven the only way they vote is they hate the guy that's running. Or they're voting against something or someone. In modern American history, the great landslides have almost always been negative, not positive. The only positive landslide in modern American history is 1964 election LBJ to fulfill John F. Kennedy's legacy. So the Nixon landslide of 68 was a pushback against the chaos of the Vietnam War. The FDR landslide is let's get us the fuck out of the Great Depression. landslide is let's get us the fuck out of the Great Depression. The 1980 landslide of Ronald Reagan and 84 is to save us from the nightmare of Jimmy Carter. Even Jimmy Carter's election,

which was relatively narrow, was also let's just move on from Nixon. So it's almost always been powerful in modern American history to be the anti-vote, like the move on party. Part of the reason, again, why I think Biden was so successful. But Trump also, like I said, that Ukraine case I laid out, that's very possible. We could be in a full-blown conflict in Europe and Trump is like, I will get us out. I mean, that's literally what Eisenhower ran on against Truman. He said, I will go to Korea and I'm going to get us the fuck out of the Korean War. Do you think Americans care enough about the Ukraine issue? Exactly. They care when it touches them.

If it escalates. Yeah, exactly. So here's the thing. It has to escalate to the point where it touches them. And by touching them, I almost think more than gas prices. Draft. I'm not so sure. If he got, I guess he's promising to get gas prices down.

Listen, you can get gas prices down tomorrow. Can you look up gas prices? Gasprices.AAA.com. They've already come down a bit Listen, you can get gas prices down tomorrow. Can you look up gas prices? Gasprices.AAA.com. They've already come down a bit, but you can have them come down more. You just release some reserves. And Americans don't go, our reserves are going. We tapped the reserves. But you're right.

We didn't tap them. No, but we've tapped them pretty significantly. We have to top them up now. And we haven't been able to top up the SPR. Yeah, there we go. So 340 again. That's still not good. It's not bad.

Well, if you scroll down, it has the national average from a year ago. So there we go so 340 again that's still not good um it's not bad uh well if you scroll down if you scroll down it has the national average from a year ago so there you go a year ago it was for actually yeah that's around ukraine time so we're in like a decent place with gas prices and you have to calculate inflation a little bit there too right so i think inflation is fucking people up i think i'm like waiting for all these layoffs to start to affect people. What do you mean? So every one of these fortune country companies is going, blah, blah, blah. Amazon is set to lay off 5,000 people. JP Morgan is set to lay off 10,000 people.

We can talk about. So that's actually because it's tech. So it's highly concentrated in white collar and specifically tech because tech was the biggest beneficiary of cheap money and of low interest rates. They were floating on a lot of debt and on borrowed cash to fuel their expansion. The overall joblessness rate, the unemployment rate, part of the reason that the Federal Reserve continues to increase rates is because those layoffs are not affecting the overall economy. So for example, 10,000 jobs at Amazon, that's like 1,200 jobs or whatever at Dropbox. That's like a factory in Toledo.

Like if it closes, it has no impact on the U.S. economy. So we're over-indexing. We're over-indexing for the media. The media is focusing on tech. Actual like blue-collar jobs are actually doing pretty well. So jobs overall are doing well. Yes. And what we're having is like a regression to the mean from the tech sector that just absolutely exploded during COVID, which of course it's going

to explode. Of course. You have cheap money and you have everybody at home needing tech. Yeah. So this makes sense. So we can't look at jobs as a, this is a doomsday scenario that's about to happen. We got to go sector by sector. Yeah. Not all layoffs are the same, I guess. Exactly. Right. Yes. Okay. That's part of the issue, which is that a lot of people in tech, this was kind of annoying about the bank thing. They were like, everything's going to collapse. The economy's going to collapse. If we don't get bailed out. I was like, yeah, but like you actually are, you know, yes, you're 20% of GDP, but startups and all that are way less part of that in terms of tech.

And actually, if you did fail, or first of all, if the bank did fail, 90% of your deposits all would have been made whole in the first place. So did it really- Depending on the bank. I think some of those banks had much higher- Well, I'm talking about Silicon Valley banks. Signature and SVB. Signature bank. Well, okay. So SVB specifically, we do know that if the normal FDIC process had gone through, over 90% of deposits would have been made whole. At the end of the day- 90% of depositors, not deposits.

No, deposits. Deposits, not depositors. Deposits would have been made whole. Yeah. At the end of the day. 90% of depositors, not deposits. No, deposits. Deposits, not depositors. Deposits would have been made whole. Because the FDIC backs up to $250,000. Well, no, because what they did instead is they came out and they were like,

actually, all deposits are insured. No, I'm saying prior to this. Oh, yes, yes, prior to that. That's right. So that 90% statistic is based on the government bailout. No, no, no.

Based on the government bailout. No, no, no, no. What the normal FDI process is the FDIC is they come in, they shut down the bank, and they sell off the assets of the bank and then use that. It's kind of like what happened with Madoff. Remember like everything that they can claw back rule? Sure. So that effectively how it would have been done.

It would have taken a couple of months and all that to go about, but they would have gotten their money. 90% of them would have gotten their money. Right, but the government stepped in. But the government stepped in and was like, no, immediately every single one of your deposits is cash flush. And by the way, all of these banks now get access to a special Federal Reserve Fund. And we're going to completely unilaterally change all of U.S. banking law. Well, this is important. Which is crazy.

But this is important, right? Because there isn't a bank right now that exists in the world that you can remove all of your assets from at the same time as everybody else who's in the bank. Very true. Right? And I think it's at a 10 to 1 ratio. So basically, if you deposit $100,000 in that bank, they only have to keep $10,000 of it in there. What they basically do is go lend out the other $90,000. So fractional reserve banking, right? So the problem with a run on the bank is that we all naturally get scared. Like we were texting each other and we're like, yo, is this bank going to be okay? Is City National going to be okay? Is whatever. Once we start taking our money out and

moving it, because the last thing you want is deposit risk. There's so much risk in money in general. The last thing you want is like your actual cash. The cash? Like, let me risk it on a stock. Let me risk it on an investment, not just sitting in the fucking bank. Earning.08 interest. So I think what they had to do is step in just so that we would have confidence. If we took all of our money out and we just dumped it into JPMorgan and Chase, which are the two that I guess were doing okay. Yes, that's right. But if every regional bank would just collapse.

So first of all— You have to acknowledge— I completely acknowledge it, And I actually agree- And you have to say, even though you're conservative, the government did a good job. Actually, I don't agree with that because I think the government,

what it did is actually, this is a leftist point, but I agree with it, which is that, think about this. What you just made the case is how banks make money because they lend out that money.

Yeah. Okay, but inherent to that was you are privatizing the profits, but when shit goes bad and there is a bank run, what did we just do? Actually, all of that money is safe. So we guaranteed all the deposits,

which you get to make private profits on. So Jamie Dimon is literally a billionaire and all of these guys become billionaires by loaning out our money while by paying, what's our interest rate in banks? 0.05%, maybe something like that. No risk to them. No risk to them.

No, no, literally no risk to them. What you're saying is 100% true. Yes. And it is 100% hypocritical, and it absolutely sucks. And we should, what I think we should do is put all the executives that made those decisions in jail. But I think you can't, you have to punish them. Absolutely. But the concern is if this bank fails and the next bank fails, none of our deposits are secured.

It's possible. Because eventually you will have a global economic collapse. So unfortunately, the government has to step in and do this incredibly hypocritical thing to protect everybody's money because it is possible that that would – So my one thing is someone needs to get punished here. Yes. And I think it's the executives at the bank. But it's not only the executives at the getting fucking paid out, but now we have not only that every bank in the country effectively is now deposit insured.

So why do any of them get to make profits? That's bullshit. You don't get to use my money. It's a great business. You do not get to use my money to make profit for yourself. And when you fuck up and fail, everything is guaranteed by the government. And now they can be more reckless. No, no, of course. No, no, no. Oh, we good. Yeah, 20 to 1.

You guys are 100% right. It sucks. But we're not banning it. There's no ban. But the alternative is letting them fail. That's not true. The alternative is holding them accountable. Well, how do you hold them accountable?

Well, okay, but here's the other thing. Bring them to a grand jury. No, this is a good question. How would you hold them accountable? Bring them to a grand jury. Oh, so like you're saying. How would you hold him accountable? Bring him to a grand jury. Oh, so you're saying what I'm saying, is put them in jail. Yeah, I think so.

You gotta put those guys in jail. Oh, but the accountability, the accountability that we're talking about doesn't stop the practice that secured the bank. But yeah, you can make the bank hold, but still hold people accountable. Yes, but we didn't do that. Exactly.

I'm with you 100% on that. I'm with you 100% on that, and I think what will happen after that is that these bankers will realize that there are repercussions for their very dangerous actions and then hopefully

other banks will be like okay we need a little bit more deposits let's not buy these fucking long term and act like they're cash because they are but that was the case of 2008

the 2008 case was that and then it just didn't happen like the idea was that we were going to bail them out they wouldn't do it again yeah exactly but the case was like no they're going to learn their lesson they crash that we were going to bail them out. They wouldn't do it again. But the case was, no, they're

going to learn their lesson. They crash. They're never going to do it again. The lesson they learned is we don't get in any trouble. They're making more money. So I guess it's up to us to hold them accountable. I mean, real talk, if Trump came out right now and he was like, every exec at those banks that got

paid out, that isn't in jail when I'm president, they're going to be in fucking prison. The only issue though is I don't think people care that much about SVB. No, they don't, but you know what they do care about? They care about somebody fucking over the regular man and then getting millions in the process. SVB wasn't the regular man. It doesn't matter, dude.

You can spin it optically, I guess. He's going to spin it all. It's just like with the drag queens teaching fucking your kids English or whatever like that. It's just like all Trump has to be like no the drag queens teaching fucking your kids English or whatever like that. It's just like all Trump has to be like, no more drag queens teaching English. And then people go, I love them. My kids only learn English from drag queens. They've been saying yes queen all day.

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It's the smallest state in a bum-ass city. Nobody cares. Bum-ass city's tour kicking off. Get your tickets, akashsingh.com. Oh, I had an interesting theory. Let's get you in trouble. AkashSingh.com. Oh, I had an interesting theory. Let's get you in trouble. Well, not an intro. Okay. And I'm sure that this is like

the common thing right here, why people are upset about it. What if, I'm sure this is very common, but what if trans women are just... Okay. Here it is. Here it is, here it is.

So trans women want to change the definition of woman to include them. Yes. Right? Now, they also want to be. They wouldn't say change. They would just say include. Or whatever. But you know what I'm saying, more or less, right?

Expand the definition. Expand the definition, right? All right. But they, now, here's the thing. They recognize that they're in the wrong body They recognize that they're in the wrong body. They believe they're in the wrong body. They believe that. Okay, now regardless if we do or not,

let's assume, let's assume for a second they are in the wrong body. We'll take them out of their world. And there are anomalies that happen all the time, right? There's seven billion people, we got the wood person in fucking Thailand, right? There's a guy who's brute in Thailand. We got people with multiple hands in India all the time.

There are these random anomalies that happen. Tons of fingers, et cetera, right? Not a single pianist, waste. So you have this person who goes, I'm born in the wrong body. We go, I believe you. When we had Daisy on the podcast, I was like, I 100% believe that that happened to you. I believe you feel 100% like a woman. And because of that, you're a trans woman. You are exactly what you're saying. You feel like a woman inside and you're in the wrong body. And

that makes you a trans woman, right? But that doesn't make you a woman woman, right? We don't have to change the definition of woman to meet this, which we understand is an anomaly, but we can also go, hey, I understand that you feel like that, and you're not lying, you're not manipulating anybody, this is a real thing you're going through. You're not crazy. There's a lot of feminists who agree with you, actually. Yeah, and then I think that it's almost like

I've thought about someone who has the phantom leg syndrome. Have you heard about that? No, what is it? So some people who have— Oh, like when they get amputations and they think they still have a leg? But they still feel like they have a leg. Now, what if they were like, I have a leg? And then we'd be like, no, you don't have a leg, but you do feel like it.

And the part of your brain, when I touch the air right here, goes off where your leg would be. So clearly you feel, I'm not saying you're lying about your feelings. I 100% believe you feel your leg is right there. I'm not calling you a liar. There's nothing wrong with that, but you don't have a leg. Yes.

What's wrong with that? I mean, I don't really disagree with you. I think though that this, look. Is that insulting? Would they find that insulting? Some people would find it insulting. Even though we're saying you're not lying, you do feel like that. But what it gets to is you're qualifying that they're not women.

But so far, we define a woman and a man as a person who feels like a man and also has all the biological characteristics. Look, part of the problem with trying to explain this is it doesn't make any sense. And, like, this is where, and I know, you know, the consternation. Hey, dude, chill out. Where it all comes from. Chill out. I would just say, like, with the trans thing, I have never seen, I don't know why it animates so many people to feel so strongly. Like, people, I have met people whose entire politics is oriented around this, and I just find that to be so incredibly.

It's bogus. By the way, comedy, too. Have you guys noticed this? Like, every comedian now has a trans joke. I know. are good but some of them just like yeah this is not even bro i was doing it five years ago yeah at least it was probably edgy then it's so it's just like every fucking joke man like every like every open mic joke now i feel like every newer comedian i listen to because you can say anything now you can say everything but it's not funny it's just like not funny when it's not edgy. Okay, so let's put

that aside. So I think that most of the consternation around it comes down to what you're pointing to, which is gender ideology. Now that also does not really have a definition and that's part of the problem because it's expansive. Gender ideology, I would say- Gender is what you feel like you are. Yes. However, what gender ideology more so is pointing to what you're saying. The expanding of the definitions around the sexes, conflating sex with gender, conflating feelings with totality, kind of a totalitarian view of enforcing that. And where I – the only part where I actually care about this is kids. That's it. So I absolutely think like once you're 18 years old, do whatever you want.

As you said, I know people who are trans and I'm I'm like, look, I believe you, you know, do whatever you want. I think that's fine. This is a free country. So be it. Many people actually don't agree with that. And I think part of the problem with the right wing debate is that when you press some of these people is that they will openly be like, no, I don't think you should be able to transition

whenever you're 18. It's like, look, that level of freedom is just, you may not like it, but like, that's what it is. And so we should also be honest about how some people feel that way. Now we should also though, be honest about how some people feel like it's okay to be able to talk about some of this stuff, not even talk about some of this stuff, but actively kind of propagate it for people who are five years old, people who are six years old. And this is often conflated kind of with critical race theory.

And again, critical race theory is one of those where the technical definition of critical race theory is graduate level coursework around the question. So that's why some people will be like, critical race theory is not being taught in schools. I'm like, yeah, but you know, are you talking to kids about skin color and shades and about like white guilt when they're five? Because yeah, I think that's a problem.

But then they're like, wait, you think we shouldn't talk about the civil war? And so I'm like, I didn't say that. That's not what I said actually at all. To a five-year-old? No, I don't think that's a problem. But then they're like, wait, you think we shouldn't talk about the Civil War? I'm like, I didn't say that. That's all I said actually at all. To a five-year-old? No, I don't think you should talk about the Civil War.

Well, maybe. I mean, you could talk. What are you going to talk to a five-year-old about the Civil War? What are you going to do? I mean, you could talk about costumes.

You could say, like, oh, there was good and bad. Like, we freed slaves and slavery was bad. I mean, look, to a certain level, like, there are social myths. A five-year-old doesn't need

to know about that stuff. I don't know. What I'm saying is there are social myths that are built in the bedrock of every civilization. What gender ideology seeks is to embed that. A five-year-old should be learning English from a big old doesn't need to know about that stuff. So what I'm saying is there are social myths that are built in the bedrock of every civilization. What trender ideology seeks is to embed that.

A five-year-old should be learning English from a big old fucking transvestite. That's the only thing that should be happening. Okay. I don't think you're supposed

to say transvestite anymore. No, transvestite is fine. No, I think that's out. Come on. That was out. They got rid of it, bro. I don't know if that was ever scientific.

That implies that it's sexual. That's a boomer. They imply that it's sexual. No's what they imply that it's sexual. No, the tight part is... Can you look it up, actually? I'm curious. We're also talking about drag queens, though. Yeah, we're talking about drag queens as transvestite.

No, but I believe that transvestite is a term that is like a sexual kink. I thought transvestite was just a cross-dresser. Yeah, a cross-dresser. No, but cross-dressing implies, again, a kink. It's like for a sexual purpose. No, in the traditional... All right, so what do we got? The word's undergone very many things. The term transvestite is commonly considered outdated.

Outdated and derogatory, yes. Cross-dresser is more appropriate. So now what is it? Yeah. Now is it drag? Well, no, because drag also is not, well, this is what they say. This is the same thing. This is a controversy.

This is the retard thing. Is drag sexual or is it dressing up a woman's clothes? This is the same thing. This is a controversy. This is the retard thing. Is drag sexual or is it dressing up in women's clothes? This is just a— So conservatives, people who are upset about it, say that drag is inherently a sexualized act. We have a drag queen show in front of little children. You're pushing a sexualization on top of gender ideology in front of little kids. Now people will say, well, hey, what's wrong with men who are wearing a dress who are reading a book to their kid? Honestly, I think it's one of those, you know it when you see it.

who are like reading a book to their kid. Honestly, I think it's one of those, like, you know, when you see it, like if there's a guy who is in drag, but is appropriately clothed and reading a children's book, that's just like fundamentally different than a guy who doesn't have underwear on. And it's like, has his dick out in front of kids, right?

And like, that's weird. I don't understand why this is happening. Like, what's the point of this? I don't really know. I mean, look, I don't know where it all comes from. Some of it is online, but frankly, like the roots of it have been in our culture for a long time. I mean, some of it comes from, I mean, look, I don't know where it all comes from. Some of it is online, but frankly, like the roots of it have been in our culture for a long time. I mean, some of it comes from, I guess, a good place of like, hey, we want to be able to accept and—

Accept what? Well, yeah, we want people to be able to feel however they feel without discrimination. Like inherently it sounds good. No, but at the same time, like to feel that way, we have to police the way that everybody uses language. And we also have to say that anybody who questions it, and specifically when questions it around children, is itself like homophobic when homophobia actually doesn't have to do with any of it. That's actually part of what drives me crazy. Whenever people say that it's like an attack on gay rights or something like that, I'm like, well, hold on. We're not talking about gay rights at all.

We're actually like that has nothing to do with gay marriage. Now, are there some people who are anti-gay marriage who are also obsessed with this? Yes. That's what I actually opened this conversation with. And that's part of the issue, which is dragging it down to like nuance and like where people are is the most difficult part. I know so many people who are Christian theocrats who are obsessed with this. And this is all that they talk about where many people who are not even, who are like atheists would agree with them and the critiques of gender ideology. But they're like, wait, hold on a second.

What do you believe about abortion? No, I'm not in on that at all. Yeah. But then I also know a lot of people again, left-wingers who would be like, listen, I'm totally cool. Like trans rights,

all this stuff. But then you're like, I don't know. And with children, like maybe it's up to the parents. Like if parents want to talk to their kids about it, that's the other way I feel about the drag. Why aren't the teachers teaching them how to read?

Well, well, why do we need a higher how to read? Well, what do you mean by that? Why do we need a hired drag queen? They're doing it as like a story hour, I think. Well, okay. Here's the thing about drag queen story hour. I'm also talking about teachers. There are a lot of teachers, right? This is the whole lives of TikTok thing where teachers will openly be like,

they'll be like, look, these are the pronouns we're going to use in college. Or, you know, you have high school teachers who will say, it's okay if you want to come out to me as trans and I'll keep it from your parents. And there's, like, school nurses. That's fire. I don't know about that. If you're trans. Well, okay, but what if.

If you're not, that's a fucking identity crisis. But if you are under 18, like, shouldn't your parents ultimately have some responsibility? No, not necessarily. Why not? Because if. It's hard to tell them. Again, coming out of the closet for. What's the law?

The law is your parents are party. I'm going back to something that you. The law says you can't go under gender reassignment surgery without parents. That's fine. But just coming out is how I feel? But they're trying to change that law. But until then-

But yeah, just coming out, is this how I feel? Like coming for a gay person, I don't have to tell my parents if I'm gay. They still, my parents still don't know I'm gay. What? I don't have to come out and tell I'm comfortable doing it to anyone. Same should be

the case for trans. So you're talking about personal level, but we're talking about what is inherently a state federal or state federally funded state taxpayer funded institution. So on a private school, that's very different. I think there's a lot of parents that would really appreciate if their kid didn't tell them they were gay and told the teacher instead? Maybe, but that's kind of up to them. And my point is though, is that, and this is probably what drives me crazy too,

these are public fights because these are taxpayer funded schools. Like at the end of the day, we do get a say. Like we, and as much as we shouldn't, if the taxpayers are paying for- People are like leading up to the parents where it's like, we are paying your salary. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The taxpayers are paying teachers to read to kids. Yes. Why are we hiring more people? That's the biggest issue for me. It's not even the drag queens. Well, the drag queen thing is more like library. I think a lot of them

I don't think a lot of them are school connected. Some of them are school connected but a lot of them are like at public libraries. Yeah, it'll be at a library. Or there'll be like at a private social club

or something like that. There was like 43 elementary schools that they did it in. I don't know. That's not that many. But also parents are going to feel like, hey, I don't want them pushing the gay agenda. So I don't want teachers talking to my kids about none of that. Yeah.

Because it's like, which teachers are just like, oh, you're confiding in me. And which teachers are like, yo, you should see this gay shit. You might like this. But see, I think that's important as a point. I'll give you guys a flip side. So I had a science teacher in fifth grade who was telling us about evolution. And then this kid raised her hand and was like, so do you believe in evolution? And she was like, no, but the state requires me to teach that.

And I remember being like, you're the science. I was like, why should I listen to you about anything then if you don't believe in evolution? Actually, Rogan is a person I heard made this point, which is that imagine if you were a liberal parent and you had a teacher who was conservative, which I had many conservative evangelical teachers, and they were pushing their Christian beliefs on your kids at school, you would be fucking furious. And I felt very uncomfortable, whatever that happened to me, because I grew up in the 1990s in Texas. Can I be honest with you? The flip side of it though, is that you would also be furious if somebody is teaching your kids something that you don't believe.

I wouldn't be furious if people were pushing Christian beliefs on my kids. How so? Because I think Christian beliefs have carved out our culture, our rules, our interactions. I would be 100% okay with it. There is 11. Right, so you're talking about Judeo-Christian values that we have inherited from Puritanism that we've enshrined in law. I think there's a difference between- I'm not sure we're talking about evolution is not real. I had an organic chemistry professor at a private college that thought the Earth was

4,000 years old. Exactly, exactly. And you're like, well, how can I listen to you? I can't listen to you about anything. It's not I'm paying you. Yeah. It was like $25,000 a year for this bum ass school. Right.

People love to like pick that out with like Christianity. And it's just like, okay, they got one thing wrong. It's like how many things they got right. Like, I'll be honest with you, bro. No, we're not saying that. No, I'm not saying you guys do it. But like atheists love to like do this thing with the Bible where they're like, well, here's something that's hypocritical.

It's like, oh, did you find something wrong in a 5,000-year-old text? Wow. Yeah, yeah. Wow. You found, oh my, Bill Maher, what a fucking genius. You, a 5,000-year-old text,

you found a mistake? Something that's been refuted? But there's people that say, the Christians say there's no mistakes. Yeah, there's no mistakes. The Bible is literally true. Good. Double down on that shit. I'm a Nick fan. I've been there. You know what I mean? You're wrong until you're right. That's what it's like being a Nick fan.

You are wrong until you're right. And if we all go to heaven, it's like, alright, that shit was 4,000 years old. Yeah, but you stopped going to games. They double down too much. No, you're right. You got tired of doubling down. I'm agnostic about my Knicks.

But a nice deep playoff run, I'm going to be in there like, all right, you got this. I just, I was at a, I went to church this Sunday, right? So how was that? It was phenomenal. What type of church? That's an important question. I don't know. It was in a public school.

He was capping for Scientology last week. He was a Scientologist. I had a science. Catholic, Episcopal, Protestant. I think it was non-denominational. Oh, that was a good one. So it's like the lib one. I don't know what it was.

The pastor said lit. Like he came through in a hoodie. It's a Christian TED Talk for the rock concert. Hell yeah. It is a Christian TED Talk. You see how y'all do, bro? This is why there's 15 types of Christianity. Christians are like comics.

They're just going to find a way while you ain't shit. You're doing old Christianity, bro. You're doing impressions. Not all you got is impressions. You're a prop Christian. Yeah, this is crazy. That's all you do?

Okay, so I'm in there, and it was my wife really wanted to go. Her brother goes, and I'm like, all right, this is going to be cool. And it was beautiful, man. Like, the feeling that I got. First of all, I'm crying within three minutes. I walk in, and it starts with the music. Yeah. I am bawling, crying within three minutes, okay?

It's in a public school auditorium and it's not at like some fancy fucking, you know, Joel Osteen church. It's in a public school auditorium, like the real shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The real stuff, bro. Go Jaguars. Jesus wasn't going to be in some fancy-ass synagogue. He was in the streets with his people.

Playing ball. Hooping. Bro, they're singing the most beautiful... I love Christian music, bro. Honestly, I'm mad at Pastor Carl. You should be. Because I was up in that hill song crying, too. If you play any Christian music for me right now, I'd cry on the spot

right now if we play any Christian music for me right now, I'd cry on the spot right now. I'd cry on the spot right now if we play any Christian music, bro. Yeah, yeah. No, what we should do is play it and see if they like catch us. Mark Dixon, right? When Jesus washed his hands away. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean?

They're like, yeah, we play great music. It's not really about Jesus, we're just hanging out. Oceans, oceans will get you. Oceans in the flamethrower. I will call upon your name. But don't ruin it, bro. Where are you? The frame.

The frame. Here's a place of oceans. Where we go on Sundays to hate you. They were talking that shit about you. Not really. But no, it was so beautiful. The music, it was like filling me up, and I felt so amazing. It was these incredible feelings.

And you said something, I think it was on a pod maybe last week, but you could tell how successful a religion is by the fruit of bears. And I'm in this church, and I'm just feeling so incredible. Just listen to the music. I'm three minutes in, and I'm like, i'm in this church and i'm just feeling so incredible just listening to music i'm three minutes in and i'm like oh there's a reason this shit took over the world bro like christianity is incredible i need to try islam because if christianity is this good islam gonna be the new new the two points the new new the 2.0. The new new, bro? The 2.0, yeah, yeah. Oh, Sufis, dude. Come on. Sufis get some beautiful music.

What's a Sufi? They're like mystical Islamists. They believe in music. They're chill with gays. Beautiful music. Very beautiful music. Good architecture. He called you gay still.

Yeah. That's fine. I'm a religious gay. Very tolerant. But still, they're very big in India. All I'm trying to say is it was so beautiful. And I'm in this room. There was love. And it was all these different people coming beautiful. And I'm in this room, there was love

and it was all these different people coming together and they were submitting themselves to a higher power. It's a beautiful thing to see with humans. I think in this individualized society that we live in, you see so much selfishness and for these people sit in this room and then just fucking give it up for something they don't even know is there. I was like, it made me fucking emotional. It was beautiful. And that's why when you were like, do I want these Christian values on my kids?, I could talk to my kid about evolution. You know what I can't do? Is like, when I'm not with him for eight hours a day,

is fill him up with that love and that joy that makes him be a better person to the people around him. He's not being a better person because you're telling him to be good. He's being a better person because he feels fucking God loves him. And when God fills you up, you got a little extra to give around.

It was just beautiful, man. I'm glad that you said that, actually, because I don't want people to construe me as saying, like, religion is bad. I'm like, just because I may not believe. I didn't take it that way. No, no, I understand. Also, our teachers never taught us that stuff.

Yes, that's right. More so, they were like, hey, Akash, that's a funny name. Ha, ha, ha, ha. You're like, yeah, yeah, that's really funny. If you have sex, you go to hell. Yeah, yeah, you're like, wow, that's terrible. They use religion as a conduit to funnel their politics through.

See, I don't like that. Well, I'm more of a Sufi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm more of a Sufi. You guys got to do a Sufi show. That actually is really fun. Did you tithe? Bro, I don't even want to say it because I gave them everything in my pocket,

and I had done shows all week. I had maybe I probably dropped I almost feel uncomfortable saying it actually seems like I'm bragging we can cut the whole thing out But but I because you know, I'm going I'm going through the shit with don't pay him back for that flight Yo, they got your ass, bro They fucking got you bro. fucking got you, bro. They saw you roll in. They're like, play Oceans. Run the hits.

Run the hits. You know my heart. The Packers are brand new. Oh, my God. The Packers. You know who's good in this room. Bro, you got punked, bro. They don't have any confidence in the institution, bro.

You got punked. They don't have any confidence. Mark Switch. Mark the most Christian guy all of a sudden. I can't believe you gave that much. You got punked, bro. You got punked a sudden. I can't believe you gave that much. You got punk, bro. I don't let New York take God from me. You didn't even give it to the real God.

I apologize for my brother. You gave it to a TED Talk. Fill him with love. Fill him with kindness. Fill him with Islam. What? Don't fill him. You need that new new, Mark.

You need that new new. How much you got to tie than Islam? Is it a better rate? If it's at 5%, I might go over there. I don't know. I don't know what they have. Islam doesn't allow interest. Islamic banks are not allowed to charge interest.

I know. They just conveniently charge you. They just conveniently charge you a fee, which is commiserate with about 8% interest. Are you kidding me? No, I swear to God. Oh, my God. You don't think God knows about that? When my parents and I lived in Qatar,

they were like, yeah, there's no interest, but you'll have to pay this fee. And if you do the math, it's about 8% interest. And you're like, wait, what? That's how you get a car loan. Hold on one second.

That's how you get mortgages out there. Are you fucking kidding me? I swear to God. And does that thing change depending on the market? Of course. What, you think it isn't commiserate with the global rate of interest?

Well, that's interest. So how the fuck did it get around it? That's a fee. You're actually a real fucking harami right now. Is it Shabbat whenever they're not, like Orthodox Jews are not allowed to use electricity? So they turn on the lights before Saturday?

So they don't have to turn off the lights? So they'll turn the stove on or something like that. So they don't technically have to, but it's clearly cheating. It's cheating. I'll even admit there's a lot of cheating. I was like, come on. Yeah. I was like, we're either not using electricity or we're not like, we're going to use fucking

electricity. Have you heard about what they do in the Hasidic communities in Brooklyn? This is great. They put, they make the elevator stop at every floor. Yeah. The Shabbat elevator. Oh, smart. Oh, now you like it.

Listen, just because Christians are too dumb to get around everything. That's really what it is. That's honestly what it is. Jews have a whole book to just outsmarting God. It's brilliant. The Talmud. No, Christians did it the best. Christians said we're going to separate.

Let's start America and let's separate church and state. This shit is just Christian, but we separate it. No Christian rules have to apply here. King Henry really was the first one that did that. Gay people couldn't get married until the 21st century. How fucking crazy is that? We were actually pretty early in terms of the world. I was going to say.

Actually, what's the first country that legalized the land? Yo, hey, they bring up that shit too. It's like, whatever, bro. What do you mean? We're gonna, we're gonna, what is it, throw the baby out with the bathwater? It's like they got evolution wrong and then gay shit wrong, you know what I mean? Like, everything

else stands. What else is wrong? I have a lot of Christian friends who would make the case that you're making. You're like, listen, at the end of the day, Judeo-Christian values are what built the West, and it's what ultimately allowed America to prosper. I mean, look,

I'm not saying it's all bad. This is like the whole convo today. We were talking about women out-earning men. It's not a bad thing. There's a trade-off, though. Let's acknowledge the trade-off. It's all about trade-off.. Let's acknowledge the trade-off. That's a bad thing for them. It's all about trade-off. It's not a bad thing for us. It's a bad thing for them.

What do you mean? Because they like it when guys make more money. Oh, yeah, yeah. So now there's just less people to fuck them. So if they were smart, they would earn nothing. And then every guy has gold. Well, no sex before marriage. That's a good Christian value.

I think that that's fine, dude. But you didn't do that. Wow, we were number four. I'm not a Christian, bro. I'm not a Christian. So we were technically number two. No, no, sorry, number three after Belgium. Yeah, national ruling though. That's a shh.

No, no, no. Hold on a second, hold on a second. No sex before marriage? That. Uh-huh, there we go. That's a great rule for the time, bro. For 2023. I think we have to divide the rules between like technological rules and like emotional rules. See, this is how the Talmud, see, this is what happens if you get Jews involved in a relationship, bro.

No, no, no, keep it pure, dog. The tech rules. Keep it pure, dude. I don't want to like. Elevate on every floor, bro. No, I don't want to give away like a joke or whatever, but like I do think the gay thing was more about just how dirty dudes' buttholes were back in the day. And I feel like – It was the shellfish of ass.

I think – well, here's the thing. This is specifically why. Ready? 5,000 years ago, right? There's no toilet paper. There's no way to really clean ass, right? And women at the time are not shaving their legs. They're not shaving their armpits.

They're in the Middle East. They're fucking full of hair, right? The difference between a man and woman is very minimal. Oh my God. Right? So you could buttfuck a dude's shit hole, or you can have sex with a beautiful warm vagina, and God is like, yo, you're almost the same.

Like, I made you almost the same, right? So why don't you just do that and not go to hell i'm just saying being gay back in the day you had to have like specific tastes high stakes well do you guys know like the evolutionary theories around gay being gay what i've always found those interesting they're like the gay uncle theory where it's like if you had a male who was capable of protecting the tribe who was gay he wasn't competing with the alpha male for resources. So that's why that – because one of the Christian or scientific like Darwinist arguments about homosexuality is like why would it be passed on through the gene pool? Like why would there be an evolutionary advantage to being gay?

Someone got to write them songs, bro. Yeah. Them songs ain't written by straights. That music's too beautiful bro yeah put that fucking thousand miles or whatever unholy it's fucking great yeah unholy keep on going with the gay theory okay so no i've only got gay uncle theory i don't know what the other ones are uh i think there was one yeah again it was like the idea that they could help protect the tribe they could help care for the children help care for offspring while not competing for resources, like in terms of female resources with the alpha male. So it's somebody who had like-

Have you heard this theory about how, this is a theory of human evolution, that what allowed us to have so much success was ridding the tribe of the alpha male? What do you mean? So what allowed humans to basically like demolish all of our competition is that we weren't led by one specific alpha male. It was actually all the betas collectively coming together and murdering the alpha male. And this is essentially what democracy is, right? It's like all the people basically removing the person of power every four years. And you see like different versions of this propagate society. And the reason why that was better is because if you had the collective group of betas in charge, there was more safety for you.

You didn't have to worry about this alpha rolling around and fucking biting off your nutsack every two seconds, like lions got to worry about, or bears got to worry about. Like you could actually sit around and you could collaborate and invent technology and find ways to live an easier life, et cetera. So the history of humanity is the history of cucks. I'm not sure though that that's right. It's betas, dude. I'm pretty sure what happened is that the whole idea is that the alpha male

is a transitory position. And so the beta male then becomes the alpha male, but then he's removed. So actually, if you look at, you when african countries allow people like shoot a rhino almost always the reason why is because it'll be a rhino which is sterile but which is killing younger bulls yes who are trying to compete for female resources i think you're making my point able to kill the older bull so they allow somebody to come and shoot it and that frees up evolutionary competition. Yes. But the problem, though, is that the cuck then becomes the alpha male. And then it becomes a reversal.

When he gets too wild, they remove that ass. And then they remove him, and they get somebody else. So the cucks have been in charge this whole time. Maybe. You guys, you could make the argument. That's what some people say. Some people say. Some people say.

On the internet. There is. This is like actual smart people. Yeah. The other theory that was interesting is the guy who developed this theory of like the alpha wolf. This is where the whole idea of alpha, the pack leader. That was debunked, right? He debunked it and spent the rest of his life debunking.

He's like, yeah, I was wrong actually. They've like hunt collaboratively. There's not really one person in charge. It's all bullshit. And then for years, even now, people are like, you have to be the alpha wolf. Exactly. What do you mean, the cuck watching his wife get fucked by his friend?

It's sometimes an easy thing to run with. Turns out wolves are very communitarian. The women are like the great hunters. The dudes are chillin', doin' nothing. Be the lion. You mean the guy who's a sex slave for the ladies? Yes, that's all he is. The only reason you let him eat first

is because he got to dance down. He needs protein. You see how like male lions will get their nuts bitten by the female lions when they want to fuck? Yeah, he's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Wait, what? Yes!

This idea that male lions are like living that life, it's- So that's all we're doing right now, women going to college, making all the money. It's just evolution. We're just coming to animals, bro. So we're just- We're just going to be the lions laying around fucking. Right.

But we don't- But they're not doing- But look, you don't want to fuck. Oh, God. Insane. Look at his little face, bro. Insane. Yeah, I've been there.

They got to fuck like 20 times a day. Can you imagine that? We're jealous of that? Four different women. Oh, did you guys hear about that story about the, there's this guy in Long Island and his wife, he was like cheating on her, I guess, a bunch. So his wife got him a girlfriend, another girlfriend to save their marriage. Another girlfriend that looked identical to her to save their marriage. Wow.

I've never heard of this. I have not heard of this. I've heard the reverse story, the cuck shed story. You guys remember that? No, what is that? It was like the guy who moved into a shed in his own backyard because his bull had moved into his house. His bull?

What does that mean? Like the guy who was cucking his wife, or I guess. Yeah, banging his wife. Yeah, exactly. Like the bull moved into his house and he built himself a shed in his backyard that he lives in. It was a cuck. You should Google it.

It's like the cuck shed. I think it was in New York Magazine. This was a big thing in like 2016. Yeah, cuck shed, like New York Magazine. He wrote like,

it was like a whole piece about how he was cool with his cuck shed. But yeah, there you go. When a boyfriend joins a marriage, that's it. Yeah, 2016.

He enjoys being emasculated. No, he enjoyed it. He gets off on it. Yeah, it's like a fetish. It's like a fetish. What's interesting to me about that is being the cock... What is it called? Being the bull. The bull, yes.

Being the bull is kind of gay. What do you mean? You're not like this dude fucking some guy's wife. You're his beat-off material. It's like, if you don't fuck whenever you want, he's like, you don't fuck whenever you want. He's like, I'm ready to jerk off.

Go fuck my wife. It's not the dynamic we think it is where a guy just walks in the room. It's like, yo, get your wife over here. I'm going to fuck her.

You're going to do nothing. It's the opposite. You're the bitch. He's like, I'm coming out of my cuck shed. It's time for me to jerk off as you were. You're like an evil... What is that guy from uh not joffrey

the other one which game of thrones from game of thrones the battle of the bastards uh he guys into really fucked up he has his hounds which kingdom was cersei's what ramsey bolted ramsey that's a fucking cuck shit guy like he'd be into that kind of thing yes absolutely he kind of hacked the game he's got an xbox in here he just like hangs out with his boys all the time dude this guy figured it out yeah kuxch guy's kind of a legend dude oh my god i don't know i bring them water i kiss one good oh man oh yeah this is kind of wild this is i can't even read this again dude he's not in control bro say what he's not in control he's bringing them water fucking but you have to understand his kink is humiliation yes he he's not in control he's bringing up water but you have to understand his kink is

humiliation yes he he's went through something absolutely horrific in his life where that's the only way he can get off it's like the fucking jeffrey dahmer guy's kink is murdering people or whatever like so do you think that something happened to him in his life yeah after watching it what what do you think it was oh dahmer yeah see i actually watched the dahmer series and the more i read about it i'm like i don, man. Maybe he was just born this way. Well, I think you're born that way and then it's like, it's like exacerbated.

It's like deep in there and then that fucked up things you go through in your life. But every one of these guys is molested. 100%. Bundy? Was Bundy molested? I know Bundy had some shit,

but nothing that traumatic. Did something happen with his mother? I don't actually know. Every one. Yeah. 100%. That's why we just got to kill pedophiles. Because if you're molesting, like, just straight up, because you ruin their life.

Now, it doesn't happen to every single person. That's why we're talking about there are people who get molested. It's tragic. It's horrible. But they go out and have these, like, very productive, amazing lives as strippers, whatever they are, right? Oh, my God. No, no, no. No, no, no.

Don't worry. No, no. Sorry. You're right. That's the name for it. No, no, no. But they go out and do, like only for us. Sorry, sorry. You're right. That's the name for it. No, no, no. But they go out and do like incredible things, right? And they, what is it called?

They like push past this horrific thing they went through, of course. Then there are other people who, you know, they have this deep stuff underneath them. They might have that like psychotic tendencies and that shit fucking triggers a yank. I think. I mean, imagine going through something as traumatic as that at a young age. Like, ugh. Yeah. But all these serial killers have a story like that where they're like, yeah, my mom abused me.

This thing happened. Like, I forget. Childhood trauma, right? Yeah, there was one guy who, oh, I forget his name. He was like a big foot fetish guy, actually. But he would, like, kill women and, like, cut their feet off. I forget his name. That's crazy.

Remember the Mindhunters one where they interviewed the guy who would kill women and then he ultimately killed his mom? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, he ripped his mom's like, what was it, the vocal cords out

and put them in the garbage disposal and grinded him up and afterwards he was like, okay, I'm done. He just called the police and turned himself off. That's what I'm talking about, yeah.

Because it was just all about his mom. He just hated his mom. He was taking out the rage of his mom against like college-aged women. Yeah, and this is a person with psychosis that also has a traumatic effect.

That's the horrible cocktail. You do not want those two things. There's plenty of psycho people that are walking around that have good childhoods. They're probably like, we know them. Yeah. There was a researcher that was like, oh, I realized I was predisposed to having psycho

killer tendencies. He was like, I have like the mental makeup. I forget. He was studying psychotics and then he did the test on himself and found out he was psychotic. We should all take that test. You're talking about the more psychopaths in society. Somebody recently did this on Rogan. I thought it was fascinating, which is that one of the reasons why we might have more psychopaths in society is that in a small group setting, a psychopath would not be as easily to be able to blend in in a tribe. Whereas in a collectivist, like 7 billion people, a psychopath can more easily move between tribes, scam a person here, scam a person there. You know, like a con artist moves from Florida to California.

You know, like if you move through New York City, like the odds are you were not going to run into the same person every single day. So you could scam this person, scam this person. And so this gene pool of a psychopath is more easily replicable in a mass, like civilizational society. Where it would be eradicated. Exactly, they would be killed almost immediately. They'd be like, this guy's a fucking liar.

He screwed me on this. Like he lied to my face, fuck him, let's cast him out of the group. Whereas like we don't have that same checking mechanism. That's a great point. Back in the day, like if you're a, what's it called, a witch oil salesman, like if you're a, what's it called? A witch oil salesman.

Like you went, you made snake oil salesman. You bought witch oil? I don't know witch oil. It's fine. Witch oil is way better. You bought witch oil? So much better. Is this at the church again?

Witch oil. And you're like, all right. You are so jealous, bro. He's hating that joke, bro. You hate it. God loves me, bro. Yo, Catholics hate every other type of shit. He's like, my back totally healed. He put his hands on me. Bro. I can't get some God, bro. God loves me, bro. Yo, Catholics hate every other type of Christian. He's like, my back totally healed.

He put his hands on me. God, I can't get some God, bro. Not for that price. I'm just saying there's a better, I can get you a better price, bro. That's what I'm saying. Why didn't you call me? Literally, the basket's going around. You know, I'm going through some stuff in my life with my wife.

To be fair, that's way less than 10%. I'm going through some shit with my wife. With my wife, the basket came around, and I was like, oh, fuck. If God is watching this shit, do you know what I'm saying? You going to bribe him to make shit good? It wasn't bribe him, but he hears me talking to him and asking for help with something, and then he sees me put it in the basket, and he's like, oh, you only $20 want a baby? You know what I mean?

Like, I had to unload the clip. I unloaded the clip. But did you have to throw it in the air, though? I feel like that was the part that was. That's where people were like, oh, this guy's going to dig. I put that shit in there, but I at least made sure my wife saw. Do you know what I mean? It's like when you're tipping at the cafe.

I was about to do that anonymously. It's like when the bartender, you get, like, I don't like it when they switch the screen over. You know when you buy a espresso and they flip it for the tip? I flip that shit back. And then I hit it. That's exactly how much I hit it. You see that? There you go.

Eye contact. Boom. It's not about you. It's actually about me. 50 cents. Enjoy your little Couple quarters Did you look at the guy

Next to you That you passed it to Like alright your turn Nah it was just me I was in the end I was at the end I was at the end of the row But I fucking unloaded the clip

They got him Thank you God You don't think He sees a bank account Say again You don't think He sees a bank account It didn't have a QR code

My Jesus The basket was a basket Sorry Running back G. The basket was a basket. Running back this Sunday, bro. The basket was a basket. All right. Run on the bank, son. You got to pass the card. Hey, God. Hey, God.

Hey, God. You say wire transfer, God? Hey, God. Let me tell you something, God. Let me tell you something. These motherfuckers. These motherfuckers. Why are you cussing at God, bro?

Word. Why are you cussing at God? That's disrespectful. Hold on. Listen. You invented these words. These motherfuckers right here. There you go.

Don't be blasphemous, Miles. Leave him out of this shit. If he wants to talk, stop cussing, yo. He want to listen. He want to listen. Listen, don't talk about my white God. White God don't like cussing.

Okay, listen, listen, listen. These motherfuckers right here, they think they walk alone, God. I know, I know. at my hardest times, God, I know at my hardest times when I'm walking on the beach of life and I see them footprints, I know it's you carrying me. I know they ain't my footprints, it's your footprints, God. You're carrying me, thank you, God. I just want to let you know. Y'all, it't my footprints. It's your footprints, God. You're carrying me. Thank you, God. I just want to let you know.

Y'all, it's your footprints. Walk through that shit. Andrew, I'm sorry. I got to go, my friend. You see that, God? You see that, God? You see that? You see that?

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