Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Schulz Reacts: Australian Government Can Spy on Phones LEGALLY

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

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Is that what's happening there? There's spiders, too. There's bad spiders. There's spiders there, but... Oh, there's spiders. Oh, is it still on fire or it stopped the fire? No, no. How did it stop the fire?

Yeah, I think Lou Spears put out the fire with his donation. Remember he had the special and that was, yeah. Okay, so Lou Spears put out the fire. Shouts to you, Lou. No, but what's really going on in Australia? We have a video we're going to watch. Here is the video. Go.

Legislation passed in Parliament will give police unprecedented powers to tackle criminals on the dark web, including pedophiles and traffickers. But critics warn it turns Australia into a surveillance state and intrudes on the privacy of everyday citizens. Okay. So. So. Any expansion of government power is a, comes at a direct cost of democracy. I think that's what that guy said.

Yeah. And obviously that's the issue here. And let's look at two things. Best case scenario, these people want to get pedophiles out of there. Right. We all support that. Right? We're like, how the fuck do you get pedophiles out?

Wait, there's pedophiles that are operating on the dark web. Well, let's create some sort of legislation that allows you to go after pedophiles i think everybody supports that yeah worst case scenario an overbearing state department is using pedophilia as a way to get more control over the populace yes and i think that's what a lot of people are concerned about it's like hey we want pedophiles the fuck out of here too do whatever you gotta do to get out of the get the pedophiles out of here you know what they're doing on the dark web change their data hack into their phones do whatever the fuck you gotta do shoot them in the forehead we're all supportive

the concern is well once you're doing for that do you start doing it for people who are you know parking illegally here's what got me and I don't remember the exact words, but they said something about the data law, and it said if there's suspicious activity such as child pornography, such as means we can do whatever we want. This is just one example of activity we don't like. It said child pornography and other crimes. And other crimes.

So what if, okay, so what if, for example, it was isolated to a few crimes? It was isolated to child pornography, human trafficking, terrorism. And what if it was only those three things? And let's have open discussion about it, right? Because I understand if it's child pornography and other crimes, they're using child pornography as a smoke screen to go into every one of your phones and say hey you patriot are you downloading some illegal videos hey did you not pay your fucking parking tickets hey um are you selling alcohol out of your bar that you haven't been approved by the state to sell right like they can go after an illegal poker game that you're

having with your friends they can do anything they want but they're using pedophilia as the smokes yeah smoke screen it's like you're not even really trying to help stop pedophilia which i'm really trying to do is just arrest as many people are breaking the law as possible and maybe they start to use it for covet stuff i mean australia is shutting down it feels like every couple weeks right there's a few cases that pop up and all of a sudden they shut the whole fucking city down so are they going to start tracking people who may or may not have covid may or may not be in contact with people to covid and then just start arresting them and putting them you know i don't know even in jail or in these forced quarantines right and those all

those cases are even just like semi-justified uh you know breaking of the law or like moral misconduct or whatever you want to call it but like we've also seen all these other cases where they just take out people that they don't like to be that that are causing issues for the state you know what i mean so like i mean there's a million documentaries like making a murderer or whatever else like where people are unjustly prosecuted and put in jail because either one the state doesn't like them the local community doesn't like them or because of some other like outlying factor like race or whatever else so this is this is very interesting if you don't isolate the crimes to the big three or whatever you are or whatever you say even if you do it even if you do but let's say for example you isolate if you don't if there is some wiggle room for other crimes to go in there let's say

there's a politician you don't like they're getting a lot of support you pop on their laptop you find out oh he's downloading uh torrents of these movies he's doing some illegal shit. He has child porn on his computer. You can put it on there under this new bill. Oh, you're changing their data so you can place the child. You can add and delete evidence at police as well. According to what they just said in the video.

Oh, that's fucked up. I don't want anybody to be able to add some shit to me. That seems highly illegal. I think that's how we're interpreting it, but I don't think... They just said they can take control of your social accounts before they had to have access and approval. I'm not saying they're doing it, but they can. I think they were saying, oh, we can take control of this person's

social account if this person's known to be the middleman for sex trafficking, and now use that account to catch other people. I think best case scenario is, and that's what they're saying about change data, meaning you can start interacting with other people. Let's say you're running a child sex trafficking ring.

They could take control of your account, use that account to find all these other people that you're doing this child sex trafficking with and then arrest all of them as well. That's best case scenario. Worst case scenario, this power in the wrong hands and we know that power corrupts, ultimate power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, or whatever it is from animal form. It wrong hands and we know that power corrupts ultimate power corrupts uh was it

absolute power absolutely whatever it is from animal form it's like we know a politician might be like yo put some shit on that motherfucker's phone it doesn't have to be child porn right it could be some real like dark uh you know weird dark web pornography it could be like who knows what the fuck it is right it could be something like legal-esque you know like a little bit legal a little bit illegal something you wouldn't want a politician to have on their laptop and that could be put there yeah and there might be no way to prove it it isn't there and that's why you have to like safeguard from these laws i understand the concern people have there yeah 100 yeah and then the issue with the terrorism thing is what happened to this kid friendly geordies and this

is the thing that i brought up before what's that so this is i'm pulling this information this is like a news article i didn't listen before so it could seem interesting yeah on purpose this is like a bridge from a news article that's on reddit but basically what happened to this kid friendly geordies he was a youtuber in australia and he accused a prominent politician of corruption so basically he backed up his claims he had substantial evidence all this other shit saying that this politician was corrupt and that he lied and they had all his like times where he lied and crossed himself and all this other shit and other times that he's corrupt. The politician then puts the Australian anti-terrorist police squad on Friendly Geordie's and his 20-year-old producer. Basically saying, like, this guy is making threats against me, he's encouraging violence against me, he's spreading misinformation and defamation against me. You guys got to go investigate. So basically, the anti-terror squad goes up to his

house in plain clothes, goes through the door, injures the mom, almost kills the family dog, tackles him to the ground, takes him off in an unmarked police car, also sees the phone. And they have all legal access to access the phone and all the other data on the phone and the computer. And so then the case goes before the court. And in America, we'd be like, no, you can't do that. You can't go into the phone without access, whatever, whatever, because we have rights and shit. And then in front of the court, the defense was like, yeah, this is ridiculous. He, the judge rules that the politician did not lie and thus was not corrupt. And because he's a politician, he's able to lie in parliament. And that's what

they call parliamentary privilege. If you're lying in order to like preserve, you know, the state. And so he was found guilty of defamation. And so the politician admitted that he called the anti-terrorism squad in his witness statement. And now people are looking at this and they're like, okay, so they intimidated this kid, made an example of this kid because he was talking shit about the politicians, and now they have all this additional access that they didn't have before. They're like, what the fuck's gonna happen?

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corruption, right? And they might have some protection. They might give the rights for someone to start building in downtown Miami. Now, they know who they're giving those rights to. They might know that they're giving the rights to some real mafia guys. But they're like, hey, listen, they support the campaign. They seem like good guys, but they know what's going on. And they know where the privilege is bestowed, right? How did the politicians get there? They got money from corporations.

And now you're talking hella shit about the corporations and the guy goes, yo, can you handle this? The corporation taps the shoulder of the politician. What the fuck is this guy doing? He's killing us. He's putting all this misinformation. They made Blackfish saying that we're killing fucking whales at SeaWorld. Can you handle this? Raytheon taps you on the shoulder. Hey, we're

going to need you to do us a favor. There's a lot of people talking shit about our company. We understand we make missiles, but we make other shit too, and we don't want people to stop buying our shit just because we make some missiles for you guys to go to war and everybody makes a lot of money. So Epstein could literally be like, yo, this journalist is kicking around my door trying to interview people. Can you just do an

anti-terrorism thing? They did that already, so imagine having political power to do it. Yeah, I guess. Right? These politicians that helped out Epstein had to take a risk, and it ended up hurting their careers. What's the guy fucking Costco or whatever his name is? Yeah. Costa. Costa. Yeah. Like that guy. I mean, it killed his career as it should have. The motherfucker should be in prison. But the point is now you can do with impunity. That's dangerous. And and we always and that's why we got to be careful when like people put through legislation that is tied into morality. Right. hey let's protect that let's protect women

and children act yeah like who's gonna say no to that yeah but what else are you gonna protect yeah with that act yeah and it's really unfortunate because nobody wants to be the politician or person in journalism or news or even comedy that's going against the let's protect the women and children act yeah that's gonna be the sword that you die on? Yeah. The Let's Protect the Women and Children Act? Yes. The one thing with that case where, and for some reason it brought it to mind, was when we had Ack on the pod.

Yeah. And he said shit about them. And then Wheezy says some shit online. And so then Ack gets on his stream and starts saying shit about Wheezy. some shit online and so then act gets on his stream and starts saying shit about wheezy then all of ax fans were like copping in her dms threatened to rape her kill her and all this type of stuff yeah so i can see a situation where like yo because of what ax said on his stream she's now getting death threats which is a form of terrorism because like you're encouraging violence on this person right and i don't know

but yeah you have to be able to express an opinion and not be held responsible he said go to pay it and tell this b-i-t-c-h um how dumb she is or something like that right so it's like it's it's almost like the way that trump did spelled out i whatever that's my girl you're quoting him whatever okay so it's almost like how trump was like oh let's go and fight for our country you know it's like yeah coded messages some people can see it as like he incited by this other people can just be like no just go protest or whatever the case is so what you're trying to say is like becoming being a terrorist or what is terrorism is very vague yes and now anything can be used in that way like you say something in a song, you're like, fuck this block. You know, we coming at you.

We taking your heads off. And all of a sudden someone get killed on that block. It's like, well, they might have did it because of the song you just put out, little Dirk. I think we're going to have to arrest you, little Dirk. You saw what happened because of what you said. You incited violence. You incited terrorism. Yeah.

Like when that white comic she had Trump's head cut off and shit like that, and the fucking feds came for her and shit like that. So it's like, I can see how you can call the feds on somebody who's inciting violence. So that situation, even though I don't agree with them going through his phone, if a lot of his people were giving death threats on his family and shit like that, nah, send the feds to his motherfucking crib. We don't have any evidence of that. And if all you're doing is... No, I'm just saying hypothetically.

Yeah, these are hypotheticals. If you're calling for action, then things might get hazy, even if it's, hey, just tell her she's stupid. Then it might be a bit hazy. If you're saying, hey, go fuck this bitch up, then that's a... Yeah, absolutely, you should be prosecuted.

If you're saying, hey, tell her she's stupid, maybe it's a bit hazy. Maybe it's a bit blurry. But if you're just saying, hey, that motherfucker's corrupt, and then people are threatening him, you can't be held responsible for presenting what you believe is a fact as a corrupt person. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, we don't know. You know how

people, to get their shit to blow, like, they talk like fucking WWE wrestlers and shit like that. So you never know if the way he was talking could have been bleeding people. Also, you can interpret anything said as inciting violence and that's where you have the abuse of power

and that's where it gets very easy to abuse the power stay safe could mean we're gonna come kill you yeah and that's where it's tricky and then also how do police operate with that information like one so I guess you're talking about a few different things like one is like internet like you know be anonymous on the internet and And so like,

that's a different thing than the cops being able to just like go through your phone and see your details. Yeah, and I'm against going through the phone, but I'm not against the cops showing up to his motherfuckers house

if he incited violence on that dude and his family. But how do we define inciting violence? That's what I'm saying. I'm saying if he said something in, because he's a big YouTuber. So I'm saying if he said like,

yo, fuck that guy, it's on site for him or some shit like that. And if they injured the mom and almost killed the family dog and then through you could also call say police brutality pretty easily so like yeah you could show up sure but then you still handle yeah what is the extent of force like did they have a warrant yeah are they allowed to a 20 year old youtuber i'm definitely i'm just throwing up different yeah right this is where it's tricky though man This is where it's tricky though, man. This is where it's tricky.

And then this is where it also gets tricky is it's, it's, you're, you're splitting hairs when you say laws such as, or child pornography and other crimes, you had to be very, that's where it becomes an abuse of power to me is we're looking at these other words that are, they're just a few words in a thing, but they mean everything. Yeah. And other crimes means everything. That means anything that's a crime, we can mean everything. And other crimes means everything. That means anything that's a crime, we can do whatever we want.

You stole a fucking Jolly Rancher from a store when you were five years old. Oh, we need to look through all your stuff. So do we allow, I don't want to say abuse of power, but do we allow more access to our lives for more severe crimes currently? So an example that apple they release software into their phones it's going to come with like the next uh software update yeah where they have they already have the ability to look through all your pictures and scan and if you have like more than like 30 child pornography pictures or whatever the case is they can report

you to the authorities so 29 29. 29 is high. Basically, yeah. Like, they wanted to. Who decides that number? I don't know. But they want it to be, like, a clear-cut situation. Because, like, what if, like, your boys are just sending you stupid shit or whatever the case is?

Or you just get a picture of your niece from your brother and, like, you know, or your, you know. Well, their argument, and I looked it up, is that if it's on iCloud, they're able to. No, no, no. Even on your phone. Are you sure? Yeah. I made sure to get that one.

So even before being uploaded to iCloud, if you have more than 30 cases, then they'll send. And is it just child porn? It's strictly child porn. There's a heinousness barrier. So they're just going after pedophiles. So I'm in all support of that. Exactly. There's a heinousness barrier.

If it's past a certain point of a heinous crime crime like child pornography terrorism we're like yeah man do what you got to do yeah that's a human thing that we all just kind of are like yeah i mean yeah sure but when you start playing with that then we get uncomfortable okay so i'm with you 100 let's say we're all on board with this uh this uh child pornography thing right uh how many people does child pornography affect let's say like a very small number assuming a small number let's say way more people die because of like drug dealing uh murders that are all planned and plotted using your phone and if we had access to that phone you could probably save so many more lives there's so many people that are being destroyed so many people getting addicted

to fucking opiates so many people planning robberies so many businesses are destroyed like when does it stop because we really want to save lives as fucked up as it is what i'm about to say if we really want to save lives focusing on child porn pictures on a phone is not the way to save lives. Like focusing on stopping people from drunk driving. Like if your phone could tell if you had a few drinks that night, you know, if your phone could tell you're over the limit, like if the goal is to save lives or if the goal is to do something that like you think will get like a garner, some sort of a positive support on the internet. Oh, look at how noble Apple is going after child porn.

Like, are you doing it for pats on the back or you do it because you really want to stop this thing? And if you really want to stop people, are you basically going, yeah, we're okay. People are drunk driving, killing themselves. That's not really what we're about. We want to stop people from having child porn on the phone. It's just weird, right?

It feels like there's some alternative goal. But also the possession of the photographs is illegal in its own right, whereas like talking about doing a crime isn't necessarily illegal in the same way well that's not true because talking about doing a crime is called uh conspiracy right but you'd have to prove it i guess but like with the image of child porn like it is intrinsically illegal if you're able to that's fair prove that it's honestly slightly different i what about sorry to interrupt but like what about uh what about they could tell for whatever reason that you've had a few drinks or you've had, you know, and then they could tell you're driving.

Once that technology is available, they probably. And that's quite possible, especially in a place like Australia. But I think here the idea is it's not about how many lives you save. It's about stopping the most fucked up crimes. you