Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Schulz Reacts To Tony Hinchcliffe Asian Slur Controversy

Episode Date: May 14, 2021

Schulz Reacts To Tony Hinchcliffe Asian Slur Controversy by

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We can all acknowledge it's wild. And he's saying some kind of crazy things and even with the context that things still come off as crazy yeah on tmz right now no it's not tmz oh he made it yeah it's over all that time in hollywood he had to move to austin to get on fucking tmz come on tony yeah yeah so it's blown up yeah it's blown up it's gonna be a big story and obviously you know when you have a close connection with somebody especially a comic like we got to talk to them before we're gonna have a conversation with him about it's what we've always done so uh we just spoke to him you guys probably seen the clip you can see the clip somewhere we can give a little bit of context to the situation right uh yeah where do we begin i mean like he came up he said

some wild shit i guess the comic that was going on before him which is also the comic that released the clip uh pang dang i think it was the guy's name um they've worked together before yeah there's been a few times i guess where this guy's opened up for tony he's like a club feature in texas exactly so he's up and then tony requested him a second time there was like a new year's gig that he was doing with ali mckoski and he requests him so it's not so they had a working relationship they weren't besties or something like that but they were familiar with each other they've worked together if your money invites you to come back you're cool you're not friends but you're cool you're cool you like being around

each other we have some level of friendship yeah there's some stuff that he had posted you know you know opening for tony it seemed to be a big deal to this guy he would tweet out be like hey opening for tony hensel tonight so excited deal to this guy. He would tweet out, be like, Hey, open it for Tony Hinchcliffe tonight. So excited. Great shows. It wasn't like, I think in his bio, Tony said that like the second line in his bio was,

uh, Tony Hinchcliffe has a credit. Yeah. He's done the kill Tony show as well. So they have some sort of working relationship. Um, so he brings up Tony. Tony says that this is a,

what's called like the secret show red band had a show where they don't announce the guests so usually tony's performing for his fans this now he gets to perform in front of people that may not know who he is may know who he is which is more of a challenge you know definitely more of a challenge and uh i wonder if in that situation i would make me wilder or less wild i'd probably be wilder in front of my fans yeah i'd be way wilder in front of my fans yeah i think so i say whatever the fuck i want in front of my fans yeah i'd be way wilder in front of my fans yeah i think so but i say whatever the fuck i want in front of my fans literally anything exactly in front of the club like you know jokes that will murder in front of the fans yeah will make people in a club environment uncomfortable they're like this and you're like what's going on here and you this is

why you need to do both right fans have context fans have context they know who you are they know where you're coming yeah i know you yeah exactly that's actually a really great point yeah because when i watched it i laughed because i know tony i know the context of what he's going for i i i thought it was funny and i understand why people are like what the fuck did you laugh at and i'm like i was like i know the same thing with ari when ari got canceled for the kobe tweet yeah i laughed because you i know the context of ari doing it i know exactly the tone i know what he was going for and it was like the shock and the fact that he would go there is what was funny and the fact that very few people are willing to go there right makes it unique and makes it funny and if

if one person laughs by definition it's funny right you can't like it's all subjective obviously but if you get one person to laugh and i laughed at tony i laughed at what he said here's the thing i the reason why it was so weird for me is and i was just telling tony is that i'm used to tony having incredibly clever bits right like especially with his roasting it's super clever and he just went on and it was kind of a rant that i guess within the context of things like here's this asian comic that was on before and he was like making fun of like white people this doesn't fucking justify but he's doing a lot of white jokes so tony's like i'm gonna carry that energy and i'm just gonna go on the top of and trash these white people in the crowd for laughing being self-loathing and laughing yeah he called them race traitors race it's just funny he doesn't really think they're fucking race no he doesn't

really use the word chink in real life he's not calling people that he literally said he doesn't use the word yeah i don't use the word he goes i i life. He's not calling people that. He literally said he doesn't use the word. He goes, I don't use the word. He goes, I was feeling myself, and I was like, I'm going to just go for it. I regret saying it. It's not something I use. I mean, I don't know if Red Band's his best friend, but his best friend is Crills. Eesh.

Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? So he's probably not dropping that fucking word all the time. Red Band, right? Tony's a sweetheart of a guy, and know, and he's not, this does not come from a hateful place. And I believe that the opener knows that because he does have the context. He knows who Tony is. He knows the brand of con of a comedy that Tony does.

Yes. So he has all that context. So it's like, dude, if you're offended by something that somebody said, and I, by the way, even if in the moment he was like,

you know what, dude, fuck this. I, you know, he's feeling very inspired. It's Asian heritage month. There's a lot going on in the media he was like you know dude fuck this you know he's feeling very inspired it's asian heritage month there's a lot going on in the media right now i'm not discounting the fact that he

probably legitimately has this feels a certain way but you would think that you would just after the show be like tony come talk to me for a minute like that actually really bothered me my feelings as a fucking dude he fucked up like go go go go no i don't listen i don't know tony as well as y'all i know tony a little bit. I assumed when I watched the clip, just knowing Tony's clever and funny. The joke has to be this is so over the top racist that it has to be a joke. That's the joke. Yes. If that hurt his feelings, Peng. Cool. I understand that. That word could hurt a lot of people's feelings. My best friend is Chinese. It probably hurt his feelings. You talk to him, man to man, be like, yo, man, what the fuck is that? But to have that quote tweet and then like passive aggressively be like, happy AAPI month, exclamation point, like you're cloud chasing. You are trying to use your victimhood as currency. And that shit, I do not like. He chose to go viral.

He chose to go viral. He chose to go viral over connection with that person. And he wanted that. And because at the end of the day, like, what does this do? Like, is Tony Hinchcliffe the one that is stopping asian progress in america do you know what i mean like i understand if like president biden is saying something like this and you capture on footage you're like okay maybe we should showcase this to the world but i don't know if tony is the one that's holding down asian let me try to see his point of view maybe he thinks

this type of shit is just acceptable and funny in the world. And I don't like that. Yeah. Now, you also know Tony. You've opened for Tony. That's your, you guys are on some level cool. Yeah. So if he's not some random motherfucker, you can talk to him and be like, bro, that's a

moment for you to teach and actually make an impact. Like, yo, man, I don't, if he's like, I never use that word and be like, yeah, cool. Don't ever use that word. You know what I mean? That's all you got to do. You would talk to him man to man very easily you can also you can also have an intimidating guy tony's not a guy i'm scared to talk to you can confront him yeah you know what i mean you can say hey tony and tony seems reasonable to me like yeah my bad yeah and or he maybe he has a debate maybe he goes well this is you know maybe he he you know

says well this is why i feel like i can use certain words but But at the very least, you have the conversation with another dude. I remember one time I brought up Mateo Lane. Mateo Lane is a brilliant comic in New York. Love Mateo. Love Mateo. Great body. Fucking ripped. Amazing body.

I'd be looking at my Instagram. I'm telling you, right? I'm in public with my Instagram. I'll be on a bench and sharing a bench with a few other people. I'm at a fucking clothing store with my girl. It's just me and the other two boyfriends that are waiting for their girls to get changed. And I bring out the Instagram, all these guys on Instagram. I'm scrolling through, and it comes up.

The first fucking picture is Mateo topless in a Speedo. And I got these other two guys looking over my phone, and they're not even judging me. They're just going, God damn. That motherfucker is stacked is that man is perfect he really is i mean not for nothing he's he's and he's also a sweetheart of a guy the best hilarious comedian really talented artist he's got it all talented he's got it all that good body to be able to draw thank god he's gay why literally fuck all over it's over it would be over god he's gay but i remember one time at the stand years ago, I brought him up.

He's so hot, I'm about to say some racial slurs on this bitch. Homophobic ones or something. I brought him on stage, or maybe when he got off stage, whatever it was. I was hosting a show, and I brought him up. And I said some ignorant shit. No, no, I didn't say the F word. Yeah, yeah. I made a joke about something about him having AIDS.

It was dumb. It was a bad joke. It wasn't good. It wasn't executed well. Yeah. But I went for it. You were trying to be shocking. I was trying to be shocking in the moment, and it was like, it didn't really get a laugh.

And it was when I was bringing him up, because I remember just feeling so bad throughout his whole set, being like, fuck, dude. I don't want, like, because I really like Matteo, and I have a lot of respect for him. You know what I'm saying? And I just missed the mark. You know, that's what happened. I was going for something shocking. I missed the mark.

And when he came off stage, I was like, dude, I just wanted to apologize because I felt like I shouldn't have said that. That wasn't the right way to bring you up or present you as a comedian. It was the moment. And he was like, dude, I didn't think anything of it. He didn't even, it didn't even register for him. Yeah. But that's sort of the way we act.

Like in the workplace as men, as, as, you know, not even just men, as, as adults, if you have an issue with something that somebody says or does, you can approach them and you can men as as you know and even just men as adults if you have an issue with something that somebody says or does it was a mature way to approach them and you can say that you know and um it was mature of you to apologize of course yeah yeah and it was dope of him to take it that way but he could also take another way and you'd be understanding of that you're like if he was offended i thought he would be offended because it wasn't funny it didn't get a laugh it was it was just low-hanging fruit it was just some dumb shit going for it so here's the thing with with the tony situation which is very difficult right because like comedians we've set this precedent like we're not gonna apologize for

everything because for anything because we feel a little bit under attack with our material and if we want to stay like crazy or jokes so we're like i'm not gonna apologize now i don't subscribe to that in its totality like if you say something that you're sorry for that you're sorry for you could say sorry like you said this beautifully you're like yo you apologize to him like if you say something that you're sorry for that you're sorry for you could say sorry like you said this beautifully you're like yo you apologize to him like if you feel sorry for hurting his feelings apologize to him for that and you could have done that you did that literally right when you got off stage yeah so it's not like we have this like hard and fast line we don't apologize for anything that's crazy that's a crazy person like i will not apologize like you are a

lunatic you're a sociopath now if it's a joke that we've crafted for six months and we like where the joke is and you're offended but we don't feel sorry for the joke you don't have to apologize if it's something you're just whipping up in the moment you're like this might work this might not work this is a 50 50 idea and then it doesn't fucking work it doesn't go over now you're on tmz you're all over the all over the place you can apologize for the part of it that you don't you don't like especially saying the word that you said to me on the phone you just do not say you don't know why you said in a moment i just don't like the idea of apologizing to the public so apologize to peng right call him up or and

apparently he did call him up and he won't answer his calls which is such a right right it's just like dude i don't know like if you're offended what the fuck does the public need an apology that it should it's not a public issue you need an apology? It's not a public issue. Well, now it's become a public issue. And yeah, if you want to apologize to the public, you can. I'm saying that's just up to you. The problem with that, and I see the picture of Patrice O'Neill right there, and it's almost become a hack point at this point, but it's really true.

He made this incredible point when he was defending um don imus right yeah where he said every joke comes from the same place good or bad right we don't know it's going to be good give us the opportunity to make something funny we have to experiment comedians we we go into a comic club environment sometimes completely blind we have a brand new bit we don't know if it's going to work and we use the audience as a gauge to see if it's good or bad and it's supposed to just exist in that moment. And then we figure it out. It takes six months to figure out if it's really good and you get it to be perfect. And it's this sort of like, um, you know, this song and dance

that goes back and forth between the audience. If you don't give people the opportunity to make those mistakes, you're going to get people taking less chances. You're going to, you're whittling down the quality of comedy. I a hundred percent agree. A hundred percent agree. I also think that that's mutually exclusive from apologizing for something that you didn't mean to do or went wrong. Right. So it's like, I'm apologizing for a joke in general when a joke can go wrong. Am I apologizing for a joke going wrong?

What if it went right? What if everyone laughed? What if the whole, what if paying thought it was great? Hold on. Let's say, let's say the whole, it kills the audience laughs and peng is dying laughing on the side of

the stage. Cause if he would have called me a spic on that show, in the same exact tone, it was just spic, it was me, which could have easily happened, which has happened with other shows. What's her name? Called me a spic on Rose Battle on Comedy Central. You don't got to be a snitch, bro. It's funny.

But if I freaked out and I took the moment and I tweeted it out and said, oh my God, she called me a spic and it had a viral moment i could have easily created some but no i laughed i slapped my knee it was fucking funny so obviously there's some like societal issues that are going on now that heighten the severity of this right like yeah if stop asian hate wasn't a hashtag if there weren't like asian ladies getting beaten the shit out of the street on fucking bus stops then i don't think this would be as sensitive but because it is it is the perfect viral moment and i'm sure that uh the comedian pang okay in best case scenario is like really affected and and like bothered and triggered by seeing asian people getting beat up all the time yeah and he's probably really sensitive to any

asian racism right now as i'm sure a lot of Asians are. 100%. That's the best case scenario of him. Worst case scenario of him is he's going, oh, because this is so poppin', I could get some clout off of this. It's probably a little bit of both. It might be in the middle. Yeah.

But I'll give him best case. I'll also give him worst case. The point is, do you think that, do you, Peng Dang, after knowing Tony and after working with him,

truly think that he went up there and believed everything that he said? No. And you can think, hey, these jokes, it's weird that you can, I've always thought before this, I was like, it's weird you can just shit on Asian people as much as you want to. Nobody ever gets offended. Yeah. I remember thinking that like 10 years ago, whatever.

If you feel that and that's something that bothers you, cool. Can I tell you why? That could have affected you. Real quick, all you got to do is talk to Tony. That's the first thing you got to do. Even if you want to put the shit out, you talk to Tony and be like, hey man, I think this could be a teachable moment. Would you be a part this whatever and then you can say you regret it some shit like there is an opportunity to do it completely differently he chose to chase the cloud yeah i agree yo and i think the reason people are

so comfortable being racist against asians is because asian people are so fucking dope at everything they do they make more money than everybody they're all doctors and fucking you go to college you can make fun of successful people yeah you're not really punching down you're not you're not it's not punching down so the idea of like so now we like i don't know i never looked at it as a puerto rican i never looked at asians as being below me i was always like yo those are the smart kids those that kid's gonna go to college that kid's gonna do well in a cess yeah like that was always my perspective on asian kids yeah they were a little bit you know it's a little like if a white if one of my if one of my female friends like white or puerto rican chicks started dating an

asian guy we'd probably make fun of her for it to be honest with you but there's a weird thing and i don't there's something called the model minority myth which has been explained because it's put upon indians but i don't give a fuck something like that puts pressure on us that you think we're all supposed to be successful that's not fair that just because i'm indian or asian i'm supposed to be so smart and successful whatever yeah but then you do the same thing to white people and call white privilege so i'm not exactly sure i guess societally it's different but people just pick and choose their little crazy theories like yeah i mean yeah i can i can look for the microaggressions in anything if i wanted to stare at your studio

i'm like oh this is racist against latinos like what are we even doing here yeah like what's going on like yeah it's just it's people choose their battles. I just don't, I don't live in a world, here's the thing, me and you, all three of us, we chose being comedians as sort of our identity over our racial background, ethnicity, even our gender, our sexuality. I think being a comedian was sort of always,

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So go do it right now. mybookie.ag, promo code FLAGRANT. Now let's get back to the show. So I have this thing where like i have like this mutual respect for every comedian automatically and society sort of splintered now and everyone sort of is prioritizing all of these other things politics social issues over this thing that like we all sort of like we show up in an open mic 15 years ago and you'd have like you know there'd be like a 50 year old lawyer and then some you know i stopped doing that

bro what i stopped that just because you're a comedian and i respect you shit right well you have to now now because it's because it's splintered like there's some so many comedians that are doing stuff that i do not respect and i love the art so much that i'm not going to watch you bastardize the art i'm like a terrorist comedian you know what i mean like i'm like i'm isis comedy like i'm the most extreme version of it so when i see it being done in a way that i feel like is disrespectful to the art i'm like you're the enemy too so but it almost goes back to that theory of like you know they're still trying right and maybe they haven't figured it out yet but it's like we're all we all sort of

what are you trying to do man that's what i'm trying to are you just trying to get like like i see a lot of comics that they should just be pastors, bro. Like if religion was more popular, that's what they would do. They want to stand in front of people and they want them all to agree with them and then tell them they're the best. And that's what they want. But there's no role for them in a society that's kind of shunning religion now. If there was, then they 100% would do it. They could go into like self-help gurus and this kind of stuff. And those all of a sudden are becoming very popular because people want motherfuckers to just say hey you're great you know i like the comics that are going up there and confusing you with the premise i like

somebody saying some wild shit and then trying to justify it comedically yeah like that or you're gonna have some really i mean like painfully vulnerable story like make me feel some shit i don't want to feel and then make me laugh afterwards about it and maybe no journey is fun if it's all happy and comfortable that's not a fun movie there's no movie where all good shit is happening all the time you're like yo that was worth my time no i'm not i'm not saying that that's what tony was trying to do right but i do know tony and i know him to be a good guy i know him to be a kind guy and i know his material and usually takes care of other comedians. Very well.

We're talking about like Kill Tony and that whole platform has been something that's put on a lot of comedians. Yeah. Tony, now's the time to come out as gay. If there's ever been a better time, you have to do it right now. Immediately you come out as gay. Okay? Smart idea. I think it's got to happen.

It might have to be more. It might have to come out as trance i remember last time we saw him he had a girl that he was like pretty serious about yeah we finna find out if she's the one if she's the one that's the one that's the real one that's the one i get but you you guys understand what i'm saying it's like um did did in almost like religion comedy yeah there are all these parallels with religion, but there has been like splinters and you have these different crowds and these different shows

and there's different material you really just can't do and the jokes that you know fucking kill just don't work there because these are people that are too uncomfortable to laugh at things that they feel.

They want to laugh at things that they believe the world should be and I can't subscribe to that type of comedy. I'm fine. You could do it. That's great,

but I'm not going to just automatically give you the same grace as I give a traditional comedian. Maybe I'm calling them traditional, but or the comedian that's of the same like ilk as me. Yeah. And I agree with you completely. The people that I love, those are the ones that I love.

You know, and I say this all the time. We have very similar views on comics. Oh, of course. And that's why we're in this room right now. Of course. And here's the thing. People often assume that because we say we only like a savage like Patrice you know what i mean but no i could watch comics dude ryan hamilton is so fucking funny yeah is so fucking maybe he's my son's godfather yeah he's like you know like

it doesn't gotta be a dirty filthy edgy about that is this you yeah last week we're talking about how funny kevin james's special was from like the late 90s but the small stuff it's a clean special so funny you don't have to be a piece of shit but our favorites are the guys that are gonna make you a little uncomfortable because that you're not a fucking exactly you're not a snake oil salesman there's some fucking snake oils and they know if they go up there and they're just like saying whatever that crowd feels yeah that they're gonna get their claps And that's all they want. They don't care about the fucking art. And maybe I sound like some old wash motherfucker

going, oh, back in the day, this is what comedy was. But I don't care. That's what I love. Well, the shit that I like, you know, I talk about a lot of dark shit in my act. And it's like. You've got a lot of dark shit to talk about, bro. Well, that's the thing.

Like, you know, you talk about comedy being therapeutic. It's like to try to like, you know, I talk about my mother being a drug addict and my father being murdered and it's like these are things that like not only do i have to like think about it and talk about it which is therapeutic in general just going to therapy think about and talk about these things but now i have to try to find a positive funny spin on these really fucked up things today and that in itself it's such a unique um it's such a unique way to look at personal trauma so i have a hard time when people don't come to it with balls and they'll come to it with a little bit of grit i have a hard time really getting into their shit but there's

exceptions like like you said we all know like i don't know there's a thing maybe it seems like we're capping for tony because that's our homie and we are biased that's our homie i know tony's not a fucking i hit two things i know tony's not racist you need intent you need context right his intention wasn't to be racist his intention was to be funny the context was he was at a comedy show uh roasting the the guy that was before him we also wasn't in a fucking parking lot screaming that word at somebody that was he's not my homie he's my acquaintance but i know him well enough to know this wasn't real and i would think peng would know the same like you have the about the same amount of interaction with him as me yeah and if that

affected you talk to him that's my point yeah yeah yeah even if there's even if you don't and even if you're absolutely furious about it and maybe you're a little scared to talk to that person you know maybe peng is scared to talk to that person he's like i don't know maybe this guy's not gonna let me go up on shows anymore this that the other well he's now he's not now it's never gonna happen but he's not gonna have shows to know, maybe this guy's not going to let me go up on shows anymore, this, that, the other. Well, now he's not. Now it's never going to happen, but he's not going to have shows to do in the first place. You were about to say something? No, no, no, I was just listening. Oh.

Because I have a different point of view, but I'm thinking about it if somebody came up and introduced me. Oh, that nigga that was just on stage or whatever the case is. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to be that understanding. And especially the tweet said, oh oh look at how i was brought up last week so tony had a week to contact them i think he now is contacting them because it went viral to a devil's advocate i don't know that tony knew that i was even upset until the video went up but you saw how after you said the age joke about mateo you spoke to him immediately

right after the show it was different it was a different thing because to be honest with you, I think like... It's possible. Can I say something real quick? Isn't it possible Lewis handled it better than Tony? Yeah, that's also true. Tony didn't handle it well, but I don't think this public flagellation, whatever the word is, was necessary.

That's what I think. Tony didn't handle it well. To be honest with you... If you want to go if if you approach tony and you try to have that conversation and he's like fuck you i meant everything that i said bombs away bro bombs away but if there's no like basic human interaction and connection like there's no hey man can i just talk to you about this shit made me feel uncomfortable like bare minimum i don't know i'm a different type of motherfucker like i will talk to you about things and i don't i don't know i will talk to you even comics i'll talk to you like this happened back home like if i hear a comic i don't care fucking how popular

they are how successful they are like if they're doing things that i think are like disrespectful to other comics whatever and i'm in their face and i've spoken about this i'm not gonna act like i haven't right i'm not gonna sit at a fucking table with you and act like I haven't said, yo, it was corny what you did. I'm not going to check you on some like, yo, let's go outside and fight. That might be a Luis Gomez approach.

But I'll just be like, yo, why were you doing that? Like, explain it to me because it doesn't make sense to me. And y'all are better about that than most people. Most people are not as comfortable as conflict as you guys. Even me, not as comfortable. But that is such an other extreme in a way that you wouldn't handle it i don't think you alex would see somebody say that shit

and then be then not say anything and then put it on twitter oh that's true i would have you would have checked the motherfucker like but maybe you're different him but i know you you would have went after it might have been a little more aggressive but like yo what the fuck was that about dude that was corny like and that's true and that's a thing so it's like we don't know what happened between that week and now and well look we have to call you i only know tony's side where where he said he didn't get reached out to at all and and the guy didn't say anything maybe the guy tried maybe there's dms that tony didn't see i would think the way he tweeted that and may i could be wrong but the way he tweeted that lets me know if he had interactions with tony he would have included that in his hey let me burn down tony's career tweet i tried to reach out to tony multiple

times he wouldn't even talk to me the way he tweeted he tweeted it and then walked away no replies no nothing like he was like here you go i'll be uh i'll be over here and in no way are we justifying what tony said and tony doesn't even agree with what he said he's like I was going for it it was stupid I would I don't use that word but I am justifying his attempt to go for whatever he's going to go for you can go you can attempt but you can fail and you can acknowledge failure and that's okay it doesn't make him a sellout as a comic if he wants to go yo I failed in my attempt to make some humor out of this situation like I would never judge him for doing that shit um at all.

So that's the tricky situation we're in. We don't ever want to stop trying to make jokes. We know that we're going to fail probably, at best, eight out of ten times when we're trying a new joke. Maybe nine out of ten times we're going to probably have that fail rate. Sometimes the failures are going to be absolutely massive. So he's aware of that. I wish they would have been able to talk.

It just sucks that it's gotten this big because, dude, he got dropped by his agent. I'm not trying to have like a, what is it called, the plate of violin. You know what I mean? He did say something fucked up. And it really obviously maybe hurt him and other people get to hear it and they feel hurt as well. But nobody would have heard it if Peng didn't share it with the world. Nobody would have been hurt by it. It would have been a bunch of people in a club that would have heard it nobody was really hurt by it if peng was hurt by it it could have been no you're right we heard way more asians

this is yeah exactly like 50 people heard it in the club and maybe those people were hurt by it right now millions of people tmz is playing now how many more asians feel attacked because they heard a guy what do you mark is uh wobbling his head what i don't know i mean like i get your point but like could you say the same about like videos of asian people getting beat up like if you put out those videos are those reinforcing like negative feelings that asian people feel about yeah but the intent of the context is physically harming an asian person versus telling a joke 100 but what i need to acknowledge the context what i also say to that is how often do we criticize the media for only portraying black people in these negative stereotypical ways?

Like, oh, every time a black person's robbing somebody, you put it on the news. And then now all of a sudden there's this negative perception about black people. So we can't have it both ways. We can't have it, oh, showcasing these acts all the um is a detriment to this one group of people and then when you showcase this acts it's not so we have to figure out some sort of balance and i guess what what what you were trying to say is the overall takeaway is more people are going to are going to feel hated when this goes viral than the 50 people in that room when it was supposed to be in the context of a joke that failed it failed we're not justifying what's said if we

heard anybody say it outside of comedy, we'd be like, yo, what the fuck is wrong with this person? If I heard anything you said outside of a comedy club stage, you'd be like, alright, this guy's actually trying to start a hate cult. So we need to stop him right now. But it's the, you know, you have

to have that context, and it's a shame, and that's why with Pang, and I don't know Pang at all, and maybe he's a great dude, but I just, as a comedian, I'm going like, dude and I don't know paying at all and maybe he's a great dude but I just as a comedian I'm going like dude I don't really respect that like you you know what he's doing you know he's going for a joke you know he's failing we've all failed at telling jokes you know and now you're gonna try to hurt somebody not only try you did hurt somebody you hurt this guy's career maybe hit your feelings maybe maybe your feelings were a little bit hurt in that moment right and that

could have been alleviated and maybe you could have taught Tony a lesson but now you've legitimately hurt this guy's career his family you know his productivity for the future and i just don't i don't i i don't think the punishment fits the crime that's and it's not like you're gonna get anything out of this it's not like people are gonna go i need a book paying at the funny bone yeah yeah if anything people are gonna go yeah that guy might start some shit. Yeah, exactly. I take personal responsibility for all this because now comics are posting clips. And if I never told him to do this shit, then he would never videotape this set. And Tony could hate Asians in peace.

All jokes aside, I think this is even different than the Ari thing where Ari put the clip out himself. And so you put that out to everybody. If Tony put this clip out i'm not standing by it my only issue is the way this kid handled it that's my issue with this kid i'm not standing by what tony said by the way we had ari on legion of skanks and we did a lie detector test we got a really like high quality lie detector test the same like same one police department yeah and uh we asked him if he regretted the quobie tweet and he said no and he was telling the truth wow really wild he's a he's a savage yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he sent me something absolutely

hilarious oh yeah we can't talk about it we can't talk about it he can't he's like i would have tweeted this for my comedian friend that's what he said dude i facetimed it afterwards i i literally facetimed him at an airport like borderline crying laughing at this video he's a wild fucking boy yeah but he he's willing to live that life that's another thing like he's going i'm fine being on the outskirts i'm fine not being in the mainstream thing i have my fans that support what i do and it's a specific thing that i do and we all know him personally so we can go oh that's that's just he's a wild boy is what he did and then sometimes your wild boy shit goes mainstream and mainstream people have no context

of what the fuck you do no and that's this is bad news they were like they were like make a legion of skanks tiktok i'm like are you out of your fucking mind we can't even be on youtube are you crazy you know i'm putting out of context clips on tiktok for the shit that we say it's always funny when they come after you and they just go to some crazy thing there's like a baby with a fucking like a dildo like a what is it what are they called those baby uh mannequins what are they called oh yeah so doll yeah or doll yeah yeah yeah baby mannequins what are they called you know i'm not getting anything uh i just had a question so i'm not comic. I don't know how this works. But if he failed, like you guys said, like you don't agree with what he said. Yeah.

Should he have gotten in front of it and just be like, yo, on stage, I was going for it. And I said something that I regret. I don't think that he I don't think that he thought this was this was in and out. We do so many shows. We say so many dumb things. He does a lot of improv. I don't think that this registered as a problem for him. I in his mind he just had a moment where he roasted this guy the audience was laughing it wasn't bombing it wasn't like the audience was booing and then he got in trouble it

wasn't the kramer moment they're comparing it to the kramer moment oh yeah yeah yeah you know years ago at the laugh factory not at all that's what was happening it was still red band's audience they were still tony hinchcliffe fans let's get real yeah they were laughing, yeah. They were laughing. If you listen to the actual clip, you do hear people laughing. There was some uncomfortable laughter, but there were people actually laughing. Some people got it, some people didn't. I don't think Tony was like, oh, I fucked up, dude. In my moment, I felt bad because I made a bad joke.

I looked at my friend, I brought him up, and as a host, to be honest with you, as a host of a show, this is something that's lost in context as well. It's not my job to make a joke on this guy. It's job to present him to do well right if i'm being paid to host the show it's my job to make everyone put everyone in a good mood up front be everyone's buddy and then present everyone and put everyone in a position where they can do as well as possible it's not my job to fucking roast this guy that's coming up next um so i just it was my personal

standard and i just kind of felt bad he was my friend who i just didn't i thought it was a little disrespectful the way that i did it i don't think tony felt that was disrespectful i don't think tony was disrespecting ping i think tony was trying to shock the crowd and be funny and he said the most fucked up thing that came to mind in that moment and it was a failure in recognizing that this guy's feelings might have been hurt in the process yeah i it wasn't a failure in the bit like the bit what he is way funnier than the bit if you think that's like tony's funny no tony's way funnier he's fucking hilarious so yeah it sucks but i also understand al where you're coming from what you can only put yourself in in that person's shoes and you would be tight if somebody did that to you absolutely and akash you might be tight too yeah i bet motherfuckers

have said stuff about you after. Oh, yeah. And if I have a problem with them, I will say it to them. Or even if I'm a bitch and I talk shit about them behind their back, I'm not putting it online. Like the bitch move, to me, the extreme bitch move is I talk shit about that person behind their back. It's so much further beyond comprehension even to say like, I'm not going to approach you at all. And I'm going to put it online. And if Tony felt embarrassed by that bit, which I probably probably would i would just kind of hold up and be like ah dude

thank god that wasn't like a big show and nobody saw it was a secret show i don't even want to fucking think about that because that was like i was wiling and then you just kind of put it away and hope nobody saw it like you fucking trip and fall in public and you look around make sure nobody saw it it's kind of like that like all right well i tripped and fell on this bit i hope nobody saw it and then this guy is filming it and then why is he filming my set first of all are you filming yourself bringing me up motherfucker like no well maybe he just pressed play and then he did a set before and brought him up or something yeah like he probably passed the mic or something yeah it's the mic it's probably past the mic or maybe he was the host

and then or past the mic and then it was just like it was recording and then as he went back if he was first here's what makes sense. If he was the host and he record his opening and then because you're looking for a little clips, you know, and then bring Tony up, you wouldn't have stopped it there. Yeah, it was. That's my point. Tony probably doesn't want to get in front of it because he's like, dude, thank God that was a small show.

Nobody saw it. Holy fuck. That's what I would probably. Yeah. Or he didn't even think about it. I don't think he thought about it. If you don't kill Tony, you know that he was just on legion of skanks last week there are certain there's a there's a brand of comedy you don't see it in the mainstream but guys like legion of skanks guys

like ari guys like tony we say fucked up shit for the sake of saying fucked up shit we try to make fucked up jokes and we try to play within that um that that world that i that's the brand of humor that i really like i don't want you to brand yourself as like as as that because Tony would go no I'm way funnier than that yes and you guys are way funnier than that this is just a failure at doing something that's risky it happens all the time exactly these things happen all the time but we're not going yo this is comedy because all of a sudden sometimes like when a joke goes south right and then it goes viral because people are like how could you say this shit we got it we got to step up and go hey man this is just a bad version of what we do there's great versions of what we do and you happen to love it because patrice o'neill's the fucking man

yeah okay there are tons of these jokes that people think are absolutely hilarious and then they're fucking bombs you saw a bomb the bomb went viral there's a lot of other societal shit that goes into this stew and it's really fucked up. You know what I mean? If you're upset at that, you're somebody who's Asian, and even if you know the context, you're still upset at it, okay, you're allowed to be upset. Nobody ever said you're not allowed to have emotions. That's not what comedians say. I would say don't buy a ticket to Tony Hinchcliffe.

Don't do it. That's as far as it should go. Yeah, so he can work on that bit. All right, guys, you just listened to a clip from our weekly Patreon episode. If you want to continue to listen to that episode, subscribe, join the Asshole Army Patreon. Keep it tight and keep it flagrant with us. You can do that at patreon.com slash flagrant to indulge. Ouch.