Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - The Last Dance: Episodes 9 & 10

Episode Date: May 18, 2020

This week Andrew Schulz, Akaash SIngh, and AlexxMedia discuss episodes 9 & 10 of the ESPN docuseries, The Last Dance (Michael Jordan Doc). INDULGE! Want an extra episode a week? Join the Flagrant Army www.Patreon.com/FLAGRANT2

What time is it? Get in line! There's one thing about the documentary I find absolutely unbelievable. Which is? There's a lot of things probably, but go ahead. No, no, there's one specific thing. Okay. That I do not believe.

Food poisoning? I do not believe. It's not about food poisoning. I don't believe that five guys can be in a room at two in the morning and only one of them orders pizza and nobody else has a bite of the pizza. Crazy. Just heard an excerpt from the director about this. He was on another podcast and he was saying the story is apparently everybody ordered dinner without michael jordan earlier and so like they didn't wait on him and he got there late or something they all ate without

him so he was pissed off at everybody so he's like fine let's find food i gotta eat pizza's the only thing that's open they're not in salt lake city in downtown yeah for some reason their hotel is like on the outskirts it's believable that pizza's the only thing so the pizza comes in mj says none of you guys are eating this. I'm going to eat on it. And then he spits on the pizza so nobody else can eat it. Sounds like MJ. Doesn't it sound like MJ?

So here's the thing. I believe that he wanted a pizza to himself. I also believe you're a 6'6 athletic machine. You could eat a whole pizza to yourself. I could eat a whole pizza to myself. It's not that hard. I don't believe that you would order only one pizza i think if there's five guys five people are five guys are in a room or however many guys

are hanging out but it seems like there's a few you really think five dudes are gonna share one pizza if we order right now four of us are about to order pizza. We're going to order one single pizza. MJ knew he was eating that pizza by himself. Nobody else ordered pizza. Yeah. I don't buy it. I think that is the only fictitious thing going on here. I don't know what got him sick. I don't know if it was partying, drugs, who the fuck knows.

But I do not buy that a pizza was ordered and nobody else was like, yeah, just get two. Why not? It's a life of luxury this is you just buy bottles you're just frivolous i also put a stupid license plate on my range i'm a little skeptical i'm a little skeptical if five dudes come and deliver a pizza and then my personal trainer who i've been with for over a decade now says hey man something about this doesn't seem right i'm gonna be like yeah you know what Let me eat the whole thing before the finals game five. Can I be honest with you?

Five dudes delivering the pizza makes the most sense to me, especially if they're not poisoning it. Think about it. If you were going to poison Michael Jordan, why would more of you go and wave your hand and be like, hey, look who gave you the food poisoning? To me, it's like, oh shit, we're delivering a pizza to the hotel

where the Bulls are staying. Everybody at that pizza store and their friends are going, it might be Michael Jordan. Let's just all go. Maybe it's Sky Pippen. Maybe it's Rodman. Right. Still cool.

Fuck it. Luke Longley. We'll take it. It's going to the hotel where the Bulls are. It's gotta be the Bulls, right? They're all showing up. They're admitting guilt if they all show up. The second there were like five guys came to the hotel i was like nope not food poisoning no way in fucking hell it cannot be that makes sense right you're admitting it's like only a rapper would be

so dumb to like say they did the crime also that's what these guys are doing i need a real doctor not just an indian to verify this But my understanding is food poisoning takes like 36 hours to really take hold of. I can push back on that from personal experience. And Jamil can attest to it. What happened? We both had the same sandwich. But his metabolism is way quicker than mine, I guess. He got sick quicker while we were living together.

And he was throwing up in the bathroom. And I was like, you stupid fucking idiot. You can't eat lettuce, you bitch. And then literally two hours later, I was like, huh? So after he recovered, I'm in the bathroom just shitting and throwing up. And he's just going, you stupid fucking idiot. Just slow metabolism. It's funny.

OK, fair enough. But yeah, I don't know. It's a little sketchy, right? But Tim Grover has always thought it was food poisoning. I remember I read his book. And he said, I think it was food poisoning. Five guys delivered it. I felt weird about it to this day. Okay, let me throw something at you.

Also, real quick, if you're Jordan, a guy who believes what he believes and you can't convince him differently, if he thinks it was food poisoning, nothing will change his mind. That's the story he's going to stick with forever. If he thinks it's food poisoning. I think it was food poisoning, but I don't think it was intentional. Okay. It's late.

It's the last place open. I'm pretty sure they just have shit sitting out. It probably went a little bad or whatever the case is. There's a chance. There's a chance. There's a chance. I've worked at a pizza place. Yeah.

I spent my childhood working at a pizza place. Dude, the pizzas would be out for fucking days, and we would eat them. Nothing goes bad. Like the cheese is so processed. Like everything is so fucking. What about the meats? Like you have the pepperonis and all that shit sitting out. Pepperoni is dried, right?

So it's like it's already pre-cooked. You can leave pepperoni out for a while. I know your your thing is interesting. And sometimes quince is happen. And when they happen to like great people were like uh-uh something's going on here right but like if you and i can get food poisoning still can michael jordan but when it happens to them like there's an attack right so i think that could be it or what i thought was really interesting did you guys pick up on they left a scene with jerry sloan in the press conference where he goes was michael sick i didn't know he was sick yeah why leave that in i'm almost like i know this is jordan's people i think jordan thinks jerry

sloan did some shit to him yo i dead ass think so man i didn't take it that way i took it as uh they were just showing his humor oh so he was being sarcastic it was like oh i thought it was the biggest everybody's talking about jordan sick. We're still fucking talking. Okay, I get it. Jordan was sick. Was Jordan sick? I hadn't heard that. I'm off it.

Because I first saw it and he had me convinced. And I guess I wasn't looking at Sloan through that like sarcastic coach lens. Because in the other game he was like, oh, this was the actual final score? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like maybe Jordan likes Sloan. So he shows him in like, hey, look at his light moments. He's still got a sense.

Kind of like Popovich being funny in a press conference when Jerry Sloan is just kind of like a sense of humor about getting blown out. Like, this is it. That's fair. If Popovich said that, I'd be like, oh, he's being sarcastic.

I just didn't. I wasn't familiar with Sloan enough. Fair, complete. Or something that just hit me. Black people are sensitive to lactose. But some people are more like, once you hit a threshold then it bothers you so say i can have one slice of pizza but if i have eight slices of pizza then i'm shitting for days maybe his selfishness is like nobody else is having this pizza but me yeah and because he ate too much pizza that could have been

it but is he throwing up you ever thrown up from lactose? I'd be getting diarrhea sometimes, and I'd never throw up. I can't fathom that Michael Jordan is lactose intolerant. I just can't fathom that something that bitch ass would be part of Michael Jordan. Do you see him? He looks like death. A man still believes it's a hangover.

Michael Jordan. Yeah, it's a fucking hangover. I've never been hungover, obviously, so I don't know what it looks. I just, the fucking look on his, there's that, I i think he like dunks it and then he just kind of like touches his wrist like just looks mad exhausted and like pathetic almost that's a hangover that's a hangover yeah i don't know to me it looks like dehydration man what is a hangover what is the definition of it if you have a hangover you get the iv which you got before the game and that's

like the hangover cure now that's true getting an iv will snap you out of the hangover because i think a hangover all it is is your body reacting to dehydration yeah right so then you get those fluids in your body and you should be fucking good to go so maybe it is something bigger than the hangover or maybe they just exaggerated it who fucking knows i just didn't believe the pizza thing i don't want to take too much time on that i just didn't buy the pizza excuse and he really like stomped his foot about it you know like it was weird it was like it was almost like he was on the stand he was like i ate the pizza no one else ate the pizza like what's going on bro like why are you

so pointed about that to that point i do think something's fishy about it because when you try to give too many details that's usually a sign you're lying exactly it's like with your girl like what'd you do last night? I'm the only one. We're at our cautions and then I texted you around 9.30. Get out of here, bro. He had to point out, I'm the only one who ate the pizza. Everybody for some reason felt the need to point that out. He's the only person who

ate the pizza. That pizza came. Five people showed up. He is a psychopath enough, though, to be upset at people for ordering without him and then saying, I'm going to eat this whole pizza myself. There's somebody in this room who would probably do something like that what's that

what's that what's that and that's the shit you would do I can't fucking believe you guys order a pizza none of you motherfuckers are touching this

and then we're all like nah we can eat a pizza oh really nah what's up what's up I do be doing shit by myself like paying for this studio

you right bro I do be doing shit by myself, like paying for this studio. You're right, bro. I do be doing shit by myself. That's a good point, bro. Hey, hey. That is a good point, bro. That's so Michael Jordan of him right there. That is a good fucking point. I be doing a lot too much shit by myself.

I got to break that habit. I just think you should. I shouldn't have spit all over that fucking, that check that I. How you got offended on a hypothetical? My makeup says nothing about a hypothetical. Son, it's a grudge now. You're dead. You're dead to me.

I'm on the list. Son, did I, I wore my heart when he told me he had a list. You remember my list, right? Yeah. I used to carry around a list of all the comedians that I was going to bury. Fucking Arya Stark.

They were dicks to me growing up or coming up in comedy. And I would add them to this list. It was a little white lined piece of paper that I would fold and put in my wall. And it was just great. And I'd check each one off. Check, check, check, check. Psycho. But it was motivation.

It was like I would go home. I'd rewrite my set every single night. And I'd just look at the list. I'd be like, all right, I'm going to bury that guy tomorrow. I'm going to bury him. Psycho. Yeah. I mean, it works.

Dude, it does. That's weird. Okay, so obviously amazing fucking documentary. I mean, just such a great look at Michael Jordan. I think really solidifies him as the greatest of all time and just so superior to like anybody he was competing against that when he really wanted to lock down, he could win no matter what. It was just his decision, a decision that he had to make. I loved how they added this folklore of if you piss him off, the boogeyman is coming. Yeah.

And I thought it was really interesting that there was one person in the whole documentary that didn't believe in that john stockton the only everybody else in the doctor even reggie miller is oh you don't talk shit to black jesus oh you can't do he's the black cat you don't talk shit oh whatever you do you don't talk shit they talk to john stockton who looks like a fucking state farm agent he's just sitting there right and they're like so what do you think about that he goes I could never look at the bulls

or Jordan as anything special how could you compete against someone like that yeah so dope so dope that's so dope John Stockton's a

nasty motherfucker so I gotta give Charlemagne credit because he was trolling hard he was going John Stockton the best point guard

of all time like he was just trolling with it I thought about that during his documentary. Son, after this? Son, that's some goat type shit, right? They're like, well, how do I compete against a guy that thinks that I'm afraid?

I'm like, no, I'm just not going to do that. It's true. I look forward to competing with you. It's true. That's what I look forward to. Can you guys explain what would happen? You saw it several times. I think it was when they would play at home.

The opposing team, or you saw Larry Bird do it. You saw Carl Malone and John Stockton, certain guys would wait for Jordan outside the locker room to say good game. Was that just... I think you're waiting to go up for the press conference. That's how I interpreted that. But they would go separately, right?

So Larry Bird came by just to say goodbye to Jordan and then walked off. Jordan was hanging out, and then when he walked out of the room, Carl Malone and John Stockton were there. I thought it was after series, maybe. After the series is over, you're just like. After the series, Malone. I know Larry Bird said it after the series, like, hey, good game.

And then Jordan said, you motherfucker, you bitch, or whatever. No, because we'll get to that. But Reggie Miller came after the first two games, or like Jordan was there and Reggie Miller walked by. They exchanged. I thought that was press conference shit yeah

I thought it was waiting for you it looks like it's right outside of that press conference room they're all sitting there yeah but it was weird when you saw

Malone and Stockton sitting there and then leave after saying goodbye I don't know I thought it was like a respect thing that they all have

but maybe it was just I also remember some trash talk around that time like after Jordan retired Patrick Ewing missed it was Pacers-Knicks Patrick Ewing missed a game winning layup against the Pacers I also remember some trash talk around that time, like after Jordan retired. Patrick Ewing missed it. It was Pacers-Knicks.

Patrick Ewing missed a game-winning layup against the Pacers. I remember. And then Reggie said some shit like, yeah, I know I struggled all game, but I hit the shot when it counts. Right, Pat? And then Patrick Ewing was waiting to go up next, and that's Reggie Miller's last question. And then he gets off.

People forget what a savage Reggie Miller is. I was rooting for the Pacers in that series fuck you yeah I was I love Reggie Miller get the fuck out of here you know what I wasn't

couldn't do it I'm gonna be honest part of me still watches and wishes this is probably for later but wishes they won because then Jordan goes out the way

he wants to go out he didn't want to go out a winner wait what Jordan said that I don't I wanted to defend this until I lost it

I didn't want to retire having a championship and then sorry there's two things i don't i wanted to defend this until i lost it i didn't want to retire having a championship and then sorry there's two things i don't believe in the documentary fair enough i do not believe that jordan this unstoppable force there's literally nothing that can get in his way he will do whatever it takes whenever it takes takes. It does not matter. I do not believe that a short, fat egg of a human being could just be like, no, and he'd be like, yes, sir. If Jordan really wanted that seventh try, I think that he could have went right to Reinsdorf and be like, bring back Phil, bring back Scotty, pay him,

do one year like short money and then give him long term, something like that. You can trade him. He has trade value. Rodman, give me one more year i think jordan could have made that happen but he didn't try to make it happen and that's on fucking jordan i watched that and i was skeptical and now we're hopping very far ahead but i was like yeah i don't know that i fully buy your explanation that you want it more than anybody on earth has ever wanted it jordan is a fucking singular human being maybe in history yeah and you're not willing to go over jerry kraus's head and go straight to

reinsdorf and say look let me try to get phil let me try to get scotty let me try to work this out you didn't want everybody else talking fuck them having a one-on-one i'll make this happen and rise over to listen there's so much there are so many hundreds of millions of dollars you can make off of that dynasty so that's the other thing about rhizome it's like one more year you're making so much money it justifies whatever luxury tax that you have to pay there wasn't a luxury tax back then uh there was a hard cap maybe no yeah but they had the soft cap they had the larry bird exception so you could have signed the luxury tax was like a year or two later i think okay and there might have been some some strike shit also it's a fucking strike shortened season but but back

back up back up to the bird rules right larry bird exception if a player's played on your team for more than three years i think right you can sign them and then it doesn't count against your salary cap and how many players can you do that with i don't know if there's a limit i think you're done with jordan and pippen and maybe rodman he could have done it yeah again we don't know if there's a limit. I think he done it with Jordan and Pippen. And maybe Rodman. He could have done it. Yeah. Again, we don't know for certain. And maybe we should look that up. I just think that the main reason that he made it look like he was so furious that they didn't have a seventh shot.

And maybe he's furious now because he didn't put his foot down about it. But Jordan was the single most powerful person in sports. And if he wanted, he could have switched that up. Now, I've spoken to my buddies around the league and he goes, and they said that there's a weird thing that happens with players, even like the most elite players, they fall in line. And his take was, you're so used to having coaches that you listen to what they say throughout your entire life. you're so used to having coaches that you listen to what they say throughout your entire life. It's just part of the dynamics in sports

that you just kind of respect authority. And I'm like, no, that's not true. Think about guys like Kobe, guys like Braun, this, that, the other. He goes, yeah, they don't, but they do. So it's like a guy like LeBron didn't even know that certain guys were getting signed, right? I think Braun found out that, who's the big bum seven-footer who's always getting texts and shit that the Lakers signed?

Always getting texts? Texts. Technical fouls. Oh. Oh, Dwight Howard? No. He just tore his Achilles. Oh, Boogie Cousins.

Boogie, yeah, yeah. Like, I think he didn't even know that certain people got signed. And he has maybe the most control of a franchise for most most people so it's like he's like they just kind of fall in line granted they are like the kings of the castle but it doesn't exactly affect upper management that's what you're saying i didn't personally buy it to his point though that's now it still happens a little bit and 25 years ago ago, maybe it happened more. We didn't. There was no real precedent for giving players all the power. Yeah. I just yeah, I was looking at him like you could have got a seventh if you.

So publicly, all you got to do is say once publicly, you go one interview, you know, the news guys, somebody comes up to you, the microphone, just like, you know what? I want to come back for another year. The only way I'll do it is if we get all these players back as well.s make it happen the franchise would implode if you did not make it implode simple as that i take i put all the blame on phil okay 100 of the blame on phil okay it when jordan was watching that clip of um of the owner saying like uh whatever it's like we can run it back one more time and Phil actually turns it down he's like oh I don't think it's going to be

fair to Jerry if we do this and they don't play Jordan the clip of Phil saying Jerry came to me and I said I don't think it's fair that looked like Jordan was seeing that for the first time and I bet you if Phil would have been like okay let's do it one more time Jordan would have came back everybody would have came back

and like you said I think Jordan fell in line and if my leader's not coming back yeah i'm not coming back but he got the leader to come back one more year like phil wasn't supposed to come back no no i know but i'm saying before to run back for the seventh yeah i don't think phil told anybody else that hey they gave me the option to come back again i think phil wanted a break and i and i think this is really interesting looking look into Phil because you can see how much of a hippie he is, like even when they celebrate. Like everybody's going crazy and he's just kind of like, whoa, we did it, dude. I didn't even know you were going to make it happen.

He's like fucking Scooby-Doo, man. It's really crazy. I loved everything he said to Jordan in that moment. It was awesome. It was beautiful to watch. That was all you. Like that's why he's Phil. But didn't he seem so, and I hate to use the word zen,

but like, didn't he seem so zen even in that moment? Like, he was smiling like a Buddha would smile at the championship. He's not jumping up and down, screaming, doing backflips like everybody else. He's like, what a cool, he looks like he's on an acid trip. Like, he's just looking around like, fuck, dude, we won it, bro. Like, he's a unique, he's just looking around like, fuck, dude, we won it, bro. He's a unique figure. I think that it's Jerry Krause's job to get Phil to want to come back. Clearly Krause's ego gets the best of him here, right?

Yeah, that's fair. I'll even push back on what I said earlier, which was he was the greatest, blah, blah, blah. I still think he's incredibly talented in constructing that team, but his ego got in the way. That being said, he's justified it after the fact, Krause, by breaking up the team by saying that everybody got old. Yeah. And he put out this article

that's on NBC Sports. It's an excerpt from his memoir that's still not published. His memoir is going to come out. And it's really cool of his wife, who's still alive. She's been asked about this documentary, the Last Day on the Documentary.

And she's like, he has a book coming out. I'm going to let him have the final word. I'm not going to say anything. That's dope. That's pretty dope. That's dope. And he basically goes through all the decisions that were made, right?

Yeah. They did like these intense medical evaluations of all the players. Yeah. And obviously they thought Michael could still play. But they're like, Luke Longley is about to break down. Rodman we don't think has any more in him. Pippen's back is fucked up and he's going to ask

for too much money. Steve Kerr and Judd Bushler are going to get bigger offers. So we just couldn't afford to bring the team back together. Now, who cares if you could afford to? Look, he justifies it by saying,

look what happened to Luke Longley. He went to Phoenix. He kind of struggled with his ankles. He ended up on the Knicks, but he just fell apart. Then they go, Scottie's been there.

He says we did Scottie a favor, basically. He really did. He goes, we did a sign-in trade for Scottie. Soen. He says we did Scottie a favor, basically. He really did. He goes, we did a sign and trade for Scottie. So he could make more money. So he made 20 million more. And I think the reason

you can make more is because of the Larry Bird exception, which proves they could have signed. Because what they do is they sign Scottie Pippen to a big deal. It doesn't fuck with the cap because you can sign him

to more or whatever. I think it's the Larry Bird exception and then you trade him. I think that's why. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Or maybe it was one of those like you can sign a longer extension for a team that you're on.

That's right. To incentivize players to stay. But – and then he's like – Everybody worried Rodman's parting had caught up to him. Rodman played 35 more games with the Lakers. Yeah. That was it. And then so he has – and then they say he says about Michael.

He's like Michael like severed a tendon in his a tendon in his pointer finger of a shooting hand, and he wouldn't have been able to play the entire season because of that. Now he did that in the summer with some cigar cutter or some shit. So he's basically going, look, we made the right decision. All the players fell apart. Michael couldn't even play. What the fuck do you want from us? That being said, everything could have completely changed

if they knew they were coming back to do a seventh season maybe luke longley takes care of his body in the offseason maybe rodman goes i'm actually going to play because these aren't going to be meaningless games you know if it's the right decision and you're a good gm you would think you would have made the playoffs in the next 10 years or five yeah yeah how long did it go probably until like derrick was there right yeah i mean i don't i'm sure they i don't remember a competitive team from them until derrick rose yeah yeah that was the gap and that's not jerry krause's rebuild that did that it's just so interesting like it's so it's so interesting like do you think phil thought this just came to me do you think phil after six

was like i'm exhausted also i don't know how to motivate them anymore i used everything i had on the last dance what do i say the last dance part two what's the fucking what's the motivation here i don't have an angle i think phil was exhausted yeah i think this is like it was really difficult for phil like emotionally difficult holding all this together like think about it excuse me phil's and and michael says it in the documentary i mean mean, everybody says it about Phil, but Phil's ability to manage egos is what made him so great and get everybody to be part of the team and sacrifice for the team. I think Michael says that in the documentary, right? Handling all those players, and these are a lot of egos,

like handling Pippen's ego, handling Jordan, handling the way Jordan treated the players. Jordan's going to berate you. Phil's got to build you back up so you don't lose all your confidence. Like, handling that fucking situation, dude, that has got to be exhausting. It's like, I haven't experienced this. I've been very fucking lucky. But, like, you know, there are sometimes kids that play like this kind of almost referee role with their parents yeah they're like parents are fighting all the time and they're kind of like

managing that relationship in real time sometimes they're even divorced and they're constantly managing that relationship and like you see the fucking cost that that has on like on kids like emotionally taxing so like have your mom crying or your dad furious. Imagine doing that for fucking six championships. With Michael Jordan. Oh my God. And his, I mean, the greatest player of all time's ego. That's crazy. And not knowing every practice.

Is he going to punch somebody? What the fuck is he going to? That takes some fucking time, dude. That's a great point. I think he was truly exhausted. Yeah. I think Jordan could have convinced him to come back because Jordan can convince anybody.

But I don't think that he was upset in the least. Yeah. He doesn't sound like... He said, I didn't want to come back. I thought it wouldn't be fair to Jerry. I don't believe you really give a fuck about Jerry Cross. I think he blamed Jerry, to be honest, because he didn't want it.

I think he used that as a... I think he didn't think they could win again. That's what I think. And I think that celebration at the last one was shock because he didn't think they were going to win. And you saw the breakdown. Like, Scottie's back is starting to fall apart. Yeah. Like, Phil.

And that thought hit me, too. This is actually crazy. MJ, when he came back the second time, didn't miss a single game those three years, which is insane. Unbelievable. You think about their run, and there's no playoff series where they're like yo we had a big injury to this guy we had to overcome and you see that all the time now the Warriors last year Kevin Durant goes down the finals LeBron a few years ago Kyrie and Kevin Love are out for the playoffs like that just happens it happens almost every year never happened to the Bulls this is the

first time I was like oh he's hobbled yeah and then before that the last time with Scottie Pippen's almost every year. Never happened to the Bulls. This is the first time I was like, oh, he's hobbled. And then before that, the last time was Scottie Pippen got migraines in game seven against Detroit. Yo, can we talk about that a little bit? Pippen's legacy took a fucking hit. If Pippen, his entire career has sacrificed for Jordan to achieve what he needed to achieve, that continued in this documentary. Yeah. Right? Because in order for Jordan's greatness to show game five,

Pippen needs to be this focal point with another back injury or I'm going to sit out in the playoffs because I didn't get to take the last shot or I'm going to have a contract dispute and get my ankle surgery in the fall. Like, he got destroyed in this fucking documentary. They tried to help him out, I was noticing, in this portrayal of game six,

where they had the trainer, because Jordan probably didn't say shit, but they had the trainer being like, anybody who questions Scottie Pippen's heart is out of his mind. And the trainer physically, like, medically knows what's going on with this guy. So he's like, anybody who questions Scottie P pippen's heart they don't know what they're

talking about that helped and then there was a a moment when they're doing the mic'd up shit i guess it's cool that jordan left us in but before the last play after jordan makes a shot scotty pippen's like nothing easy i'll take a charge if i need to don't worry about it and that's him saying like we're gonna win i'll put my body on the line i don't give a fuck that's fine you got a bad back taking a charge yeah that's trauma so you think that they were trying to protect him a little bit a little bit a little bit a little bit because it is a balance right it's like how do we make jordan look heroic yeah without giving him adversity to overcome and you can't say the adversity is scoring on brian russell yeah it has to be more than that right something has one of

your guys has to go down. Like in any Marvel movie or whatever, right? All hope is lost. I think that's part of the hero's journey, right? Yeah. All hope is lost. All hope is lost.

The all hope is lost moment is when your second best player, Scottie Pippen. And if we lose this game seven in Utah. Ooh. And game seven at home? Yeah.

I've always said this. Game seven at home is a huge deal. And then when I watched that Pacers thing and Reggie Miller is talking about that one three that steve kerr hit that if uh they may get the rebound or whatever and we

score it's a five point game steve kerr hits it ties the game and then he's like that shot changed everything i was like what are you talking about it's one three and then he said the building got energized in a way that we couldn't handle and that's what happens in a game seven that one shot if you're in front of your home fans, it's different. It charges you up. There's a, God,

it's so interesting to see like my own bias, especially as like a young kid. Cause I remember watching all these things in real time as a kid. Do you guys remember seeing these actually happen? I remember where I was sitting. Like these, the last two championships are the only ones I remember. Exactly.

Cause we're too young for the other ones, but these ones you're probably watching with your fam. I remember being in the living room. I remember watching Reggie Miller hit that three. Remember the three that gets him to win, right? And I remember Reggie Miller pushing off, and I remember being so furious. And I'm like, that was a push.

He fucking shoved him, whatever, like this, right? And then I remember later when Jordan gives a little nudge to Brian Russell going, that's not even a push. It was just I was so in love with Jordan. I was completely biased about what was happening. That being said, that Brian Russell thing was not even close to a push. One of the guys said it best. It was like a maitre d' walking you to your table.

Bob Costas. Isn't that such a Bob Costas way to put it? Oh, beautiful. a maitre d' walking you to your table. Bob Costas. And that's such a Bob Costas way to put it. Oh, beautiful. That's such a rich white guy way to put it. It's a maitre d'. What the fuck is a maitre d'? What the fuck's a maitre d'? What are you talking about, Bobby?

But maitre d' puts his hand on my wife's back. Let's let you know what's going to happen. Yeah, but it was delicate. Yeah, it was barely. It was delicate. His momentum was going that way. Yeah. I think that was just Jordan helping himself keep balance.

Ooh. That's how he shifted his energy a little bit. He needed to shift his energy a little bit because he was going full speed to the right. And then stop. That's why he got him. Snatch. Yeah. And then this is just a little bit,

okay, back, I'm over here. I mean, boom. And to the fact that he hit a game winning three against Russell,

I think it was the year before. Yeah. I completely forgot about that. Yeah, I think it was a jumper. Game one, the year before. But you know what?

This was actually, so I was getting kind of worn out on the grudge against this guy, grudge against that guy, and then he's doing the Russell, you're on the list. I wasn't.

I love it. All right. Hey, grudge against this guy grudge against that guy and then he's doing the wrestle you're on the list I wasn't I love it alright hey I dusted out my pen this week and I'm not gonna lie I need to put some more motherfuckers on the list bro I need to put them on the list yo

and I get that and I think everybody kinda does this. I'm fucking, I remember this guy, but it's just, you're just going, we're just going to it so many times. But the Brian, the Byron, Brian Russell. Brian, I always thought it was Byron. Son, me too.

Brian Russell thing when he was like, he's on the list. And then he says, I studied him. I knew he played defense on his toes. Yeah. That's, that's how he got him. And I think that's how he got him the next year in game six. You're playing defense on your toes and you're going one way, I switch back. You're, you're done. Yeah. I didn't really, I mean, I was really cool how he got him and i think that's how he got him the next year in game six you're playing defense on your toes and you're going one way i switch back you're you're done yeah i didn't really i mean i was really cool how he analyzed that i didn't really understand what that meant because

they always tell you in camps and stuff like that to play on your toes the most dynamic way to if you're just walking around your fucking heels i don't think you're gonna do a better job stopping michael i didn't see it in the first shot in the second shot i was thinking if you're just kind of always like you don't ever really plant and you're just going one way it's probably easy for you to get got so i would feel like it's easier i feel like it's easier to defend that or any kind of like uh movement back what is the side to side what is that uh what is that called shuffle kind of shut or like agile like agility based movement is easier when you're on your toes i mean that's what they teach you literally the drill to move back and forth is hop on your toes to the right, to the left.

Yeah. So it's like when he was saying that, he was like, I saw he always plays D on his toes, and I knew I could get him. And I was like, you mean good D? Yeah. I think he meant it in a different way. I saw how he always followed through in his jump shot, and I knew it wasn't going to go in. I was like, that's what you do.

I thought his man, he always had his weight forward. Right. Always just going whatever forward is. Right, right. But it was interesting, like, oh, once he has a grudge, it's like for real personal. Like, I'm going to take it out on you. Let's see how I can take it out on you. How much of that is real and how much of that is truly effective?

And how much of it do you think is just kind of folklore for the documentary? I think he thinks it's fully real. And I do think it's real to a degree. And I think a little chip on your shoulder helps. And none of us know how exhausting it is to win that much and have to find new motivation. Yeah. But I don't know if it's as real. And that's why I was getting kind of tired of it by that point.

It's like, I don't know if it's as real as Jordan thinks it is, as the documentary is making it seem like it is. But that's the point of the documentary. I feel like it's not to, obviously, it's not to express that jordan you know won six championships i think what how they're trying to solidify him as the goat is basically saying he was so amazing that all he needed to do was focus and he was so threatening that if he didn't like you he could destroy you and you know i'm saying music that goes beyond numbers because we'll need another documentary to show if that's how larry bird played we'll need another documentary to show if that's how magic or bill russell or anybody

else in the discussion we know for a fact that's not how lebron plays yeah you know and maybe we start to have that discussion like the big difference between the two of them one of the great things about lebron is that he will make the right basketball play yeah the great thing about jordan is he will just score yeah right like Right? Like, people praise LeBron all the time. Yeah, he was doubled, so he passed off, and, you know, that guy who makes $1 million a year to shoot from the corner missed the jump shot. Yeah.

Right? Jordan is going to score. Yeah, Paxson's going to hit one. Yeah, Kerr's going to hit one. Jordan is going to hit the majority of them, and you know what else? Jordan's going to score the 10 to 12 points before Kerr has the opportunity to win again.

The reason Kerr is open Jordan's been scoring this whole time so he might as well just double. Yes. You can't not double. Yes. Matter of fact

they even talk about everybody saying like on that last play game six against the Jazz everybody knew when Jordan got the rebound get the fuck out of the way. Robin says it.

I was just thinking get the fuck out of the way. What were you thinking? This motherfucker's going to shoot. Get the fuck out of the way. This motherfucker's going to shoot the fucking ball fucking I don't give a fuck.

It's so true. And then kerr hits that shot they really laid into the kerr thing huh they gave him a nice little storyline they did i mean that is a i remember hearing that about kerr and being like really this guy's a fucking this guy's a beast a little bit like yeah all right guys we're gonna take a break for a second let's talk about greatness man greatness is very important and And being great in basketball, being great in your passion and being great during passionate moments is key. And how can you be great? How can you be the greatest?

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I don't see anybody else back there. But they let Leo fucking dicaprio back and then jordan looked like he's trying to impress him that was legendary and now this is around mutual which is also crazy kind of mutually like y'all good shit good shit yeah but who the fuck and leo at that time i mean he's not big as leo that's what i'm trying to say that's titanic leo i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure that's Titanic time. I'm pretty sure. Can you see, Mark, can you see when Titanic came out?

Yeah, he was so comfortable around Jordan. Leo was. Yeah, that was a problem. He was a kid. December 1997. 97. So this is post. Okay, so this is huge.

He is the biggest thing in the world. The biggest movie ever. He's the star of the biggest movie ever. The only guy as big as Jordan is Leo at that moment. Yeah. Okay, I'll give it to you. But it was just weird. Girls like Titanic the way we like the Bulls.

I've seen your movie. He doesn't even get the name right. He's like, oh yeah, I quoted one for all for one. Three Musketeers? That's the wrong movie. Was Leo in Three Musketeers? Nah, but wasn't there something to do with that? There was a line also in the movie.

He said the man with the iron mask or some shit like that. They also said it in that. And that's why he said it before the game. And he's like, god damn. Big Dick Leo, son. Yeah, Leo not playing. Big Dick Leo, son. Because they kicked Seinfeld's ass the fuck out.

Yeah, right. They rushed him out. Because the show's trash. And Phil understood that. Fuck out of here. That's the thing. I was watching Seinfeld. Phil recognized, bro.

This shit is fire, son. Phil recognized. You can still watch that shit. He really understood that. Fuck out of here. That's the thing. Phil recognized. I was watching Seinfeld. Phil recognized. This shit is fire, son. You can still watch that shit. He really did recognize. They probably got. Why do they even make the end of the bread? If we don't use it, just stop the bread. It's a good point. It's a good point.

You can bring it up great points and act like that's a regular Seinfeld thing. I'm like, yo, that's a fucking banger. Seinfeld's whole act. I'll write Seinfeld. It's great points. Right Seinfeld right now right now just right now like this boom

easily 100% easily they probably got Seinfeld out of the locker room because they were like man Jordan gonna be too geeked out

we need to save his energy get him out of here come on yo come on man we can't have Jordan over here trying to impress this guy with his funny bits

that's the flu game Seinfeld's on the locker room we're up late watching Seinfeld and he was so laughed out Come on, man. We can't have Jordan over here trying to impress this guy with his funny bits. That's the flu game. Seinfeld's all watching. He's all playing, watching Seinfeld. And he was so laughed out, he was exhausted. You know why he was thirsty? Them pretzels. Yeah, dude. Oh, fuck.

Trash. Seinfeld's trash. Why do they call it air? Air can't jump. Nah. That's Seinfeld, son. That's Seinfeld. Air can't jump. Nah. That's Seinfeld, son. That's Seinfeld. I didn't even get it.

Air just up there. What's the deal? I didn't even get it, yo. What's going on? You should have stopped at the bread. The bread was a great fucking point, yo. Damn, bro. I thought I had it.

I just said that bread shit. I was like, that's a good point, yo. He's really showing me Seinfeld's genius right now. It's hard to be Seinfeld. Even Seinfeld, they're not all going to hit. You know what I mean? They're not all going to hit. Oh, fuck.

Let me see what other notes I have. Why do you warm up, not warm down? Yes. Whoa. Seinfeld are living legends. Why is it warm that is such a Seinfeld joke we call it warm up but then we call it

cool down but heat rises that actually makes sense you fucking idiot the more you talk the more he talks what's the direction of this word let me ask some questions about it Yo, the more you talk, the more he talks. In every Seinfeld show, no. It's just like, what's the direction of this word?

Let me ask some questions about it. Now, the more you talk, the more I think we need a last dance documentary around this Seinfeld special. We need to know, man. How do you do it this whole time? Goat-ass Seinfeld. How do you come with this comedic genius time and time again, son? I got made do that 22 times a year with full episodes. Son.

Oh, you know what was interesting about Steve Kerr? They said one thing where he said... No, it was about him being a coach where he said like, because I only took

five shots a game, I put way too much pressure on myself for every miss. And I was wondering how much that impacted his offense moving forward. And even like,

little, I mean, this is Steph, obviously the greatest shooter ever, but he said to Steph likeh like hey you know what's great about you is you're you're one for nine right now and you're gonna keep shooting and that's what's great about you and his offense is just like yo shoot just shoot if you got a shot don't fucking worry about it just shoot if you got it and i wonder if that is in his mind at all times like that fucked with me my whole career yeah maybe his maybe his thinking is that like, I'm going to get the most out of my players

if they feel the most confident. Yeah, they feel the least pressure from us. Yeah, so he's riding confidence. That being said, I don't know if riding confidence, obviously he's won championships for those teams, so I can't say it's a bad strategy, but like, I don't know if just riding confidence is what's going to get you there.

I think what Jordan recognized was true alphas are going to shine no matter what. And I want to put you in these horrible situations so that you can shine when your buttholes get tight or the nuts get squeezed or whatever the metaphor he was using in the locker room was. Jordan's whole method is, I'm going to make you a fighter, whether you want to be or not. Or I'm going to destroy you. And that's the cost.

You're going to see if you got it in you or not. And he even said about Kerr, he's like, Kerr earned his wings. Yeah. Like, think about that. He's not going, he saved us. He goes, he could be part of the team now. He hit the game, won the shot for the finals. Like, think about that, bro.

That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. Because the game-winning shot in the NBA finals, He goes, yeah, he earned his wings now. He's one of the players. And Kerr was so excited. Jordan trusted him on the bench. Oh, dude.

That was such a funny. Kerr is funny, man. When he was just like, Jordan whispers to me, like, you know, he literally goes, yo, can you pass me some Gatorade? He goes, I'm going to be there for you. Don't worry. I got your hydration right here, bro. I got you.

Sorry to punch you in the chest, though. That was my bad. I got a little angry. Jordan knows cameras are on him all the time. So he whispers and just yell back hey if they're there i'm ready if they're on you like he's so geeked that jordan's trusting him that was a cool moment that was a cool if jordan if jordan is like yeah that's true that how geek would you be yeah and it was cool he was just self-aware about it yeah another thing i remembered from old shit is reggie miller Remember when they kicked Seinfeld out the locker room? Remember when they sent that motherfucker?

Because he's too great. We're like, get the fuck out the locker room. We don't need you analyzing shit. Jordan's ego got threatened by Seinfeld. How can something be a locker and a room? Jordan needs... I don't even get it, yo. Imagine if Kramer just busted in the locker room, bro.

Oh, that'd be lit. That would be hysterical. That would be. Oh, God. Anyway. Genius. Comedic genius. All right, go.

Go. Locker. Room. Isn't every room a locker? No. What's the difference? No. How?

I mean, you lock it, and then you're saved. Don't you dare give that music. Don't you dare give that. Save it with the music. Save it with the music. You could have done it at Brent. I'd have given it to you at Brent. Save it with the music, Mark.

Save it with the music. Every single one. You did the Twix theme, by the way. Chicka Chicka is Twix, I'm pretty sure. No, no, it's at the end of the music. Was it? You know it. I don't know what that is.

I'm just making noise over here. Dude, come on, man. Come on. Let's be honest about Seinfeld. Let's just call it what it is. I'm just making noise over here. Dude, come on, man. Come on. Let's be honest about Seinfeld. Let's just call it what it is, dude. Fantastic. Yeah. You're going to have to get it.

No Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. There was no emotion in that shit. There was nothing that made you cry. Nothing made you have a little tear jerk. Fresh Prince did get emotional. That's all I'm saying. But that took like five years, too. Listen, you got to build.

You can't throw out the first four seasons of Fresh Prince. Nah, you might have cried before that. I cried a pinky in the brain. Seinfeld couldn't make me cry once. How you gonna make me cry? The muffin tops. I just like the top of the muffin. That's a great point.

Oh shit, we all like the fucking top of the muffin. So why don't they just sell the top of the muffin? It's not how it works. It's like your bread point. See what I'm saying? It's not how it works. Seinfeld is the Socrates of our generation. He's asking the question. It's not how it works. It's like your bread point. See what I'm saying? It's not how it works. See what I'm saying? It's not how it works. I thought it was the Socrates of our generation.

He asking the question. It's not how it works. He asking the question. Fuck Socrates. Son. Real talk. Right? This is Socrates.

What's the deal with faking? Come on, Mark. Hit me, Mark. Hit me, Mark. Stop. There we go. All y'all do is ask questions, old red pill ass motherfucker. Seinfeld's just red pilling everyday life.

He is. He really is, dude. Come on, y'all. It's okay to hate Seinfeld, man. Why you got such a problem with shows named after your own last name? What's that? Schultz? Wait, I like that. Yeah, so why you hating on Seinfeld, man. Why do you have such a problem with shows named after your own last name? What's that? Schultz? Wait, I like that.

Yeah, so why are you hating on Seinfeld? That's where you got the idea from. That's not even his real last name. What's his real last name? Not something, something not Jewish. He's not even Jewish. All the reason to like him more.

Seinfeld pretends to be Jewish. You don't know that? That just makes me love him more. Seinfeld's not actually Jewish. You don't know that? That just makes me love him more. Seidel's not actually Jewish. Sounds familiar. Hit it, Mark! Havah! Thank you, Havah!

Oh, man. Oh, fuck. It's all good, bro. bro come on let's go let's get back to this man oh yeah why do you get back to something wow

that's every Seinfeld you keep making trash points imagine hanging out with Seinfeld imagine hanging out with Seinfeld you just gotta deal

with that all day yo can you pass me the scissors scissors what's the deal with the plurality I mean it's just one thing scissors why is it a pair because what's the deal with the plurality i mean it's just one thing

scissors why is it a pair because it's the two things cut what do you mean it's the two things the two pieces of it so one each one of those things is a scissor you know how annoying seinfeld would be to hang out with James? It can't be as annoying as you trying to do Seinfeld. This is what Seinfeld does all day. Yeah, but he does it good. I'm not hanging out with him. I'm watching the show.

That's the best part of it. The bread. Bro. You had a banger with bread. I don't know why you kept hanging. I did. I did kill that bread one. Did I not?

That dude's hot. Hit it more. red one. Did I not? Hit it more! Yo, Angie's gonna go home like Bart Simpson and just write

Seinfeld over and over. He's like, I'm taking this motherfucker out. I told you my list is growing. I told y'all this. Nah,

but for real though, let's talk about the B movie. Zubby! Nah but for real though Let's talk about the B movie Lovey Come on join us Let's get back to it Oh bro Alright let's go What were we talking about?

Yo you know what I realized Watching this documentary Reggie Miller looks like RuPaul Ever seen RuPaul Out of drag? Tell me that ain't The same motherfucker, yo. And I'm a Reggie fan, yo.

I love Reggie. But damn, you see RuPaul, not RuPaul? What his real name is? Rupert Paulson or whatever? That motherfucker

look like Reggie. Yeah, they got a similarity. It's crazy, right? Yeah. Holy shit. I did not know that was RuPaul. Son, I've seen that person

before. Son, I respect Reggie Miller for never fixing his teeth, bro. That motherfucker looks so horrible. Yo, he don seen that person before. Son, you thought it was Reggie Miller his whole time. Son, I respect Reggie Miller for never fixing his teeth, bro. That motherfucker looks so horrible. Yo, he don't give a fuck. He really don't. He's single out here living. He just be with hoes all the time, apparently.

Really? Yeah. But like never fixing his teeth? Never. Is crazy. Fuck it. He's crazy confident. He wanted, you know, I remember when he retired, they asked him, what's your biggest regret?

And it wasn't that I didn't win a championship. He said, I only got to play MJj in the playoffs once that's my biggest regret that was such a competitive fun series i wanted to keep doing that i wish that was a rivalry like that's some he's not like he's a confident competitor super wants that all players are different because anthony davis with the unibrow shit like these motherfuckers they just they get to a level of oh i don't give a fuck yeah i get that also because you get so much positive feedback and pussy so like what's the i'm already drowning in pussy i'm fucking any girl i want why would i pluck my unibrow yeah yeah now i think there's a it's interesting when you get into these documentaries because like obviously

if you're a journalist you want a hot take in these documentaries you want to be known as the guy who like saw something no one else saw right and there's this one guy in the document i forget who he was but he says this shit shit made me crack up he goes you want to know what what made the difference with with mj you want to know what mj's superpower was it wasn't running fast it wasn't jumping high he could stay in the moment maybe Maybe he was a little running fast and charming. Right? Maybe that had a little bit to do with it. Staying in the fucking moment?

How many Hare Krishnas we got in the NBA? Staying in the moment is the thing that separated him. Get the fuck out of here, bro. I think it's the thing that separates him from LeBron. But at that point, you're talking about two. They got everything else. I need you to explain that to me. What the does that even mean state in a moment i think this what he was trying to say is is that he's not letting the consequences of his actions or the fear of them dictate um his choices for example i just missed my last seven shots should i shoot

this i'm having a bad game etc every time he shot was a new fresh roll of the dice every time he decided to play d was a new fresh roll of the dice every time he decided to do something he was in the moment right there whereas a lot of guys for example like they say cornerbacks uh in football right it's like they get beat a couple times their confidence is destroyed and that position is all confidence because you're thinking about the past oh i got burned oh what if i get burned again every one of us gets in our head and it's always some shit that's not about right now. So your ability to be in this moment

right now, maybe it's just because I'm Hindu and that's like such a big part of meditation. Yeah, fair. So maybe I'm gay, but that's like I understand that's a huge deal at that level. Now you have to have everything else. So for him to say like, it's not jumping. Why would you call it gay? Oh, God damn it. I can have to have everything else. So for him to say like, it's not jumping high. Why would you call it gay?

Oh God, dammit. I can't fucking do this anymore. Down, down, down, down, down, down. Mark stop it. I'm in, I'm in. Stop it, remotely saving this. Let him drown in it. Gay means happy.

If someone put a dick in my ass, I wouldn't be happy at all. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down. Bzzz, B movie. I wouldn't be happy at all. B-movie. It's bad. I can't do it, yo. I can't do it. She's making my...

You're a chuckle insane, dude. It's all good if y'all love Seinfeld, bro. It's all good. But what I'm doing is honestly, according to Seinfeld, creative genius. Like, that was what i just did with seinfeld did i mean he would do without cursing he'd be like if you slid something in my rectum let's go mark mark mark come on guys you can't curse it's not comedy if you curse

did you know that you know it's not comedy if you curse did you guys know you know he loves chris rock though right does he yeah does he i remember i'm talking funny he said he thinks about some chris rock bit once a month and it was about black it was the black ones or n words he's like what do i call my neighbors he actually said about chris rock's porn joke he's like that's the first time i realized black people have like an entirely different world that they live in and they're not that happy

with it. And that sounds a funny way to say it. Interesting. He thought he was, he thought black people were happy in the world that they were living in.

The guy grew up in Long Island in the 70s. He didn't know. He grew up with white people. Stay woke, bro. Stay woke. Ain't nobody saying

Seinfeld is woke. Say again? Are you, do you not like Seinfeld because he's not woke enough? Son, I only like woke people. white people stay woke bro stay well anybody saying seinfeld is woke say again are you do you not like seinfeld because he's not woke enough son i only like woke people my favorite comedian is sean king sean king or umar johnson who's funnier? That shit is tough, bro. Those are two of the greatest social media comics of all time. It might be Dr. Umar Johnson.

Real talk. Shouts to the goat. The prince of Pan-Africanism or something. Okay. You're right. This is great. Did you have any more notes on Jordan? On Jordan?

Yeah. No, but I have some Seinfeld stuff if you guys want to call it. I'm going to tell you something. The more that it bothers you guys, the longer we're going to stay in it. That's just how this works. Okay. Oh, I love it. You're killing it.

There we go. You're killing it. It's gold. It's gold. There's gold. Seinfeld sucks, yo. Seinfeld sucks. Let's get out of this.

This is Drew Baisley spitting on your hypothetical pizza right now. Yeah, I know. That's gold. Seinfeld sucks, yo. Seinfeld sucks. Let's get out of this. This is Drew basically spitting on your hypothetical pizza right now. Yeah, I know. That's exactly what it is. I don't even know what that meant. I'm on board, though. Basically, it's the same thing. All right. Anything else?

Yeah, there's a few things I noticed. One, Jasmine Jordan, kind of a joint. Stop it. Stop it. Kind of a joint. Stop it. I got to pull her up. Stop it. You know, like our kid a joint. Stop it. Stop it. Kind of a joint. Stop it. I got to pull her up. Stop it.

You know, like our kid on TV. Stop it. I'll turn it off. She's on there fleetingly, so I could have been wrong. And I didn't think she was worth rewinding, but I was like, is she kind of a joint? Okay. This is a discussion we should have on the podcast. I disagree, but you guys can have the discussion i disagree

first of all i'm looking fine looking sweet girl i know he had a daughter huh i know he had a daughter so good for him for protection we did not hear not even a peep from his wife ex-wife or his current current wife neither of them say a single i wanted if you want to talk about a fucking maniac who knows more than the wife right yeah think about that who had it worse first wife or second wife first wife first wife i get but like he's gone all the time really i mean yeah he's on road trips he's you know i mean he's trying it all the time he's gone all the time yeah second wife this motherfucker he's playing golf and then he coming home and then he playing golf and then you know i mean like there's nothing there's no road trips she was like bitching about shit wasn't she who the first first wife first wife apparently they got married

because he got her pregnant ah so it was kind of a but then he had more kids with her yeah which is weird do you think he just compartmentalized maybe i'm wrong but i think it's just like yeah we're together let's just keep fucking and let's just have more of a family maybe she understood what it was she's like i'll be with this guy we get along well enough and then when she got divorced i think she hired a pi and the pi found all kinds of him cheating this and that and that's why her settlement was like basically what what do you want ah so she basically blackmailed him she's like i can ruin your image with all this information or you can just give me what i want yeah i don't know exactly i'm these are all we're all speculating but it was like a couple years after he retired that they were divorced and then i from

what i understand he got her pregnant and that's why he was low-key i respect famous people that can like get married at a young age or at least when their wives are young like 17 or something like seinfeld yeah and then uh you know just carry that all the way through until current day. That's pretty impressive. Maybe that's a trick. You just got to get nice and young. Yeah, go shit. You know what I'm saying?

She might not know that one. Play like SpongeBob or something. What's it like? Oh, his first wife was kind of a joy. Who, juanita this is the first wife right i think that's the second wife new one right is she cuban this is her mother i think uh-huh this is jasmine jordan and i think that's her mother right there no that's not juito Jasmine though she alright she's cute it is interesting how genetics work though

because like both of his kids played college basketball I believe or at least one of them and they were okay I think Marcus played and he was fine but like that is the genetic when you talk about the genetic lottery

it really is a lottery isn't that is the genetical when you talk about like the genetic lottery it it really is a lottery man that's what i'm telling you like isn't that amazing i'm lebron's kids could make it to the league they're not going to be lebron he won the lotto you got the residuals of him winning the lotto but how dope is that like it's refreshing to know that excuse me you can't just kind of like breed two athletes and then all of a sudden a super athlete comes out yeah there is some what is it chance in life yeah and that you're dealt this car these you know set of cards and you have to do whatever the fuck you can with that hand but it's really nice to know because if we started realizing oh shit all you have to do is have sex with with jordan kind of

like horses where it's just like sea biscuit has a kid and all of a sudden they run and then it's not but however the fuck your kids look and whoever the fuck your kids look and my kids and Mark's kids who knows we don't know what's going to happen

and we can raise them and we can educate them and we can get them in the gym and we can make them eat right but there are certain things that they were

just born with and they're going to have to figure things out with it it's really nice to know that the one thing is Jordan married a regular girl

he didn't marry like an athlete I'd be interested to know if he married like Jackie Joyner or whatever back in the day. What would their kids be like?

So now you got two super athletes. Now you have two super athletes. There is a couple. What is the name? She had a 30 for 30. She was like an amazing runner. And then she was on steroids. Mary Jones.

Yeah. She married Tim Montgomery, who was an American sprinter. Right. Who also, I think, might have had his own scandal. They should technically have the fastest kid ever. These are two elite sprinters. Steffi Graf

and Andre Agassi have kids together. That kid doesn't even play tennis. He plays baseball or some shit like that. I think the swing could help. I think they were both like we don't want him

to play tennis. There's so much societal pressure. Imagine every tennis fan waiting to see if you're going to be the truth. No, I remember her and him and Pete Sambras had a big rivalry. Both their wives got pregnant at the same time.

They were already getting offers for millions and millions of dollars for their kids to play at a certain age. What? So it's just like, I'm not doing that to this kid. Get the fuck out of here. You're out of your minds. So I think there's also that. Bro, wild thing.

I used to play soccer with Pele's kid. Really? Yeah. How sorry was that motherfucker? You's kid. Really? Yeah. How sorry was that, motherfucker? You playing soccer with you? Yeah. No, Mark was nice. Mark was nice, but in America, if you're Pele's kid and you're playing in America, you're

probably not crazy nice. You're probably getting shipped off somewhere to an academy or whatever. He was a nice kid. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's a term we use in comedy for someone who's not funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice guy.

Nice guy. He was really nice oh really that sucks and imagine the pressure that he has to be great yeah and he's just fucking trash yeah now was he objectively bad or was he bad for your expectation of pele's kid i don't know i mean i guess sorry it's a little different but he just like wasn't super athletic he was like he also like moved around a lot as a kid so he didn't get like training all that how old were you like 14 okay so they would have seen something in a while 100 you think that's why pele moved to america he's like i can't have people knowing how shitty this kid is let's go let's go to a country there's no pressure on you at all he was high be a fucking ballerina who cares dog nobody expects anything from you and he was pretty

good i think there was like some other things going on i don't know if he's like super athletic and like just like kind of privileged and stuff i think that played more privilege is tough too because there's no it's hard to be hungry when you're not ever hungry yeah that's why you gotta respect a guy like uh steph curry yeah i'm a fucking wanted because he wanted it he had every option to do anything else he wanted in life but i also think there's not as much pressure if your dad is del curry if your dad is michael jordan it's like what's the fucking point even trying without a doubt but still like financially speaking he was fine yes 100 and he chose to go after that shit and become an elite shooter and granted he had the best coaching and he had access to facilities and um access to his father yeah right and elite

competition like when you're in high school and you get to practice with the fucking raptors or whatever team he was on at the time. Or maybe he wasn't even on a team at that time. But still, like when you're around these guys, you get to shoot around. I mean, of course, maybe that's why he developed that kind of like quick release. He's playing against guys that are 6'8". Playing against guys that are 6'8", NBA players. The only way I could get this shit off of, I'd just hoist it.

That might be the ideal situation because you know who else is a kid of a ball player who wasn't great but he ended up being fucking great? Kobe. Ah. So maybe the goal is you have a mediocre father. Not mediocre

but a mediocre professional father. Kind of like a fringe professional father. A role player. Pretty good. Whatever. That's what Dale was. I don't know what Jellybean

or whatever he was. I don't know how good he was but like because here's the thing i was just thinking about this if you're michael jordan's kid and you decide to enter the league uh-huh bronnie's gonna face this too and respect to him if he wants to go but like if you're not better than your dad yeah who is the greatest player of all time or second greatest player of all time you didn't your disappointment yeah if you're not even that like if you're jordan and you're anything less if you're jordan's kid and you're anything less than the greatest player of all time, you're a disappointment. Yeah. If you're not even that, like if you're Jordan and you're anything less, if you're Jordan's kid and you're anything less

than the greatest player of all time, you're not Jordan. You're not your dad. Can we talk about the Braun comparison? Yeah. Is there a much bigger gap now? I think it's gotten skewed the other way. I think we kind of forgot

how great Jordan was and now we're watching this and I saw some poll that I got sent where they polled everybody and who's better at like everything you could be better at jordan won every single category including better passer and that's just absurd jordan is not a better passer than lebron jordan is better than lebron and i think we remember oh yeah he's definitively better when we watch this but now it's getting too close. I think there's no denying the fact that Jordan is way more competitive and that Jordan has far more control of the game.

And I think that's the knock on LeBron, at least for me, is that, yeah, he can play all the positions, and, yeah, he can do all this stuff, and he's amazing, et cetera. Amazing passer, facilitator but he can't control the game the way jordan can control the game yeah and um he's can control it very well but he can't do what jordan does which is i will just take over in the fourth nobody else will touch the ball nobody else needs to score score. I will make sure that I score. And if I need to get the stops, I'll do that as well. Yeah. It's kind of like that BJ Armstrong quote in the first three people where Jordan just kind of figured out how to win. He wasn't even playing the game to play anymore. He just was playing to win and he just got it and saw the matrix

basically. It kind of seemed like that. And LeBron's not quite there. Yeah. I don't know if LeBron has the confidence in his offense that Jordan does. I think lebron has the confidence in his offense that jordan does yeah i think lebron has the confidence in his ability to get the best shot in the moment for his team yeah i think he knows how to do that i don't think he knows how to get the best shot for himself so i think you see a lot of times he defers on these last second shots because that is the best shot yeah the best shot is to kick it to whoever the fuck is in the corner right yeah but when you need a bucket sometimes you got to hoist it you got to be the one that puts it up and of course there's been tons of last second shots that lebron has hit and we can go throughout history and find him and make a point for that absolutely that being said i think he's limited in his ability

i know this sounds crazy but the amount of moves that he has that are effective moves i think he is more limited than jordan more limited than jordan he is jordan many more moves than most people but jordan was unlimited or maybe he had eight go-to moves they were all unstoppable yeah i i just think the gap is much bigger and i'm someone who is ready to hand over the keys to lebron a ago, I was probably saying on this very podcast, yo, it's on. LeBron is the guy.

Yeah. I don't see it that way anymore. And granted, maybe I'm skewed by like this bias, you know, documentary. But I just can't,

I can't give it to LeBron. Do you remember why I said I was taking that conversation off the table? Which one? Like a year ago, LeBron being the GOAT. It was because LeBron went to LA, and we essentially knew this year he's mailing it in.

And I was thinking Jordan would never do that. In this documentary, I feel so much more confident in that. Even in his second year when Jordan got injured and they were ready to tank so he could get a lottery player, in his second year, he was like, that's not how you play the fucking game. We play to win. That's what we do. Yeah, if you play the fucking game. We play to win. That's what we do. Yeah, if you're going to play, you play to win. And that's like, that to me, that solidified it. And also that quote, as much as it was overblown, and that's Jordan's superpower, I think that's

the thing that separates Jordan from LeBron a lot also is Jordan has no fear of consequences. And it's easier when there's no social media and all that. But like, LeBron seems to get in his head a little bit he makes the right basketball play but he's calculating more than jordan it seems jordan is how could i be afraid of a shot i haven't missed yet how could i be afraid to miss a shot i haven't taken yet that seems crazy to me like he's in the moment he's just living there let's shoot whatever happens happens i think it'll go in let's go lebron seems to be thinking things through you know it's like with football peyton manning and eli manning peyton is a definitively better quarterback

but eli i would trust more on the last drive of a game eli did it twice in the super bowl because to me when i was watching eli he's not thinking he's just going out there and playing yeah and that only really benefits you there if you're eli and peyton and peyton is a fucking genius and see but peyton was just always calculating and that's why i thought payton wasn't as clutch as eli and i think it's a similar thing but the talent gap is obviously much closer with jordan and lebron yeah it's funny seeing lebron's quote um in his barbershop show where he's like oh yeah when i beat um when i came back from three one that's when i became the greatest of all time like it's just so funny watching him say that while watching these docs i'm like yeah not

fucking like shut the fuck up son yeah not close yeah and i understand because lebron is how old 30 he's 35 35 34 35 so he barely got to experience Jordan. Right. LeBron's watching this right now and learning a lot about Jordan. I'm not saying he doesn't know the fuck Jordan is, but I think he's actually learning about the greatness of Jordan like a lot of younger people who are watching it. They're like, oh, wow, I didn't know it was like this. It's hard for LeBron to truly appreciate Jordan

because he's not old enough. We are barely old enough. We only got to appreciate second three pete if any of us want any of us want to sit in this room right now i'd be like no i knew he was the greatest the first three but you're lying you don't remember it you do not remember i remember thinking he was the greatest after flu game because i these kid which three p was that second three p no exactly to your point yeah so it's like so lebron younger than us yeah by at least two years right yeah and these are formative years.

The difference between seven and nine is big. The difference between 16 and 18, nothing. Like seven and nine. I think I probably appreciate it because I appreciated it during the last two finals. Yeah, and how old were you? I'm younger than LeBron. How old is 35? He's about our age.

And I'm 33. Okay, so he experienced that three-peat. He understands greatness from that three-peat. Especially the second three-peat. 100%. Maybe not the first one. Yeah. Because there was two years.

But I think that exposes a difference in mentality. Mm-hmm. Where LeBron, at that point, is like, oh, I'm the greatest ever. Jordan was never like, oh, I'm the greatest ever. It's good. He was just like, I want to do something they haven't done. And then when he did that, what's the next challenge? He wasn't like, I'm sure he thought it,

but we haven't heard him openly say, that's when I knew I was the greatest player ever. LeBron has openly said, I don't need to achieve anything more. I'm good. That's what you say when you say, I'm the greatest ever already after winning that championship for Cleveland.

But here's the thing. Jordan, to this day, is like, it's maddening to me we didn't win seven. That's the difference. That's the thing. Jordan, to this day, is like, it's maddening to me we didn't win seven. Yeah. That's the difference. Yeah, that's the difference. Yeah.

The fact that Jordan will never be satisfied after winning the NBA finals and hitting the game-winning shot Yeah. Okay, of his final finals, he goes,

there's still some daylight out here. We can get some golf swings in. Yeah. Yeah, that was nuts. Yeah. I don't know how to point that out. That's crazy right yeah great point lebron is still in his career going i've accomplished everything i need yeah

jordan hits the game winner is like let's go compete at something now i am never satisfied bottomless pit keep filling keep filling keep filling and the fact that lebron is satisfied means he'll live a much better life he'll probably have a much better relationship with his family and his friends and everything. LeBron and his wife seem happy. LeBron seems like

a great guy. Got the fucking school. The I Promise Academy or whatever I can. It's like, this guy's incredible. Jordan is a more incredible basketball player.

And there's a cost to being that incredible. There's a cost to winning. Jordan said it himself. There's a cost to winning. It's happiness in a lot of times. Yeah.

Jordan don't look happy now. Yeah. It's maddening to me we didn't win seven that don't seem happy yeah oh it's just great that shot of him sitting on his whatever that thing is bench yeah he's on like oh yeah that's a dope shot the thanos shot yeah somebody had a meme of thanos you know the uh end of what is it end game yeah not the end but like midway through the beginning of yeah oh just great yeah just fucking great anyway uh anything else before we get out of here see if i had any other any other shit i wrote i saw after the doc was over like whatever show that comes on after um they had that wmba player diana tarassi tarassi and she like, oh yeah, when you're that competitive, you're sacrificing your life.

Like she said outright. Well, I don't know why. Is she the greatest ever? I guess in WNBA. I think so, yeah. She's kind of like a beast. And so she says like, oh yeah, that's just, you sacrifice your life. Your life, entire life is sacrificed because you have that level of competitiveness.

I wonder if it's easier for them to sacrifice their life because they're sad in their life. Their life does not fulfill them in the way that basketball does. So it's not a difficult sacrifice. Whereas if you enjoy life, if you enjoy spending time with your family, if you enjoy the little things in life, it's hard to sacrifice because you're getting so much joy and the hole is being filled by so many other things. If there was only one thing that could fill that hole for Jordan, which was competition, of course he's going to compete. And of course he's going to lean into that far deeper than anybody else, right?

Because that was the only joy that he got. Yeah, you're sacrificing more, but is it a sacrifice? If that's the only thing that makes you happy? And then you're telling these other guys who get happiness from all these other things, the fuck is wrong with you? Why aren't you sacrificing? They're like, fam, you're miserable out here doing this shit. We love that shit.

You're not sacrificing nothing. Matter of fact, it's the least sacrifice for you because you're miserable out there and this is the only thing that makes you happy. We're the ones really sacrificing because we can get happiness out here we are taking away our happiness yeah for this thing that makes you happy so maybe jordan sacrificed the least on his team in terms of happiness right maybe all those other players sacrifice those years with him so that jordan could be happy he should be grateful for them

they gave away happiness man in a short life they gave that shit away so that jordan could be happy he should be grateful for them they gave away happiness man in a short life they gave that shit away so that jordan could have his and was it worth it in the long run absolutely because you win rings but if you really want to talk about sacrifice i don't know if he sacrificed more and i don't know how worth it it was in the long run if you could rather if you could be lebron or be jordan we would all want to be lebron in terms of like that guy seems happy yeah jordan greatest of all time seems miserable i think i'd rather be the second we would all want to be LeBron in terms of like, that guy seems happy. Jordan, greatest of all time, seems miserable. I think I'd rather be the second greatest of all time and live a great

life. Because the time you're not playing is way longer than the time you're playing. Jordan was pro from 20 to 40 with two retirements in between. So what's that, 15 years? He's going to live to be 70, 80. That's 55 years you're just sitting there miserable for 15 years of greatness.

I don't know that I would make that sacrifice if I could be LeBron. Three chips, did one for Cleveland, did everything he needed to do, bucket list, second greatest ever, and the guy is fulfilled. I was trying to think of other players who also have that competitive or championship about them, and Cristiano Ronaldo. He missed the birth of his twins because he was playing soccer. I love it.

I love it. Was it just a regular game, too? Was it a league game? I think it wasn't like a big championship, but it was like, just because, nah, the game is, this is where I need to be. He missed the birth of his twins. Why you got to be this? You're not really doing anything.

You're holding our hand. I kind of push back on guys being there for the birth i do because i'm not a dick what is what what is going to happen you don't want to be there to see what's going to happen is your son is going to be born that's what's going to happen your son will be born okay and then what you want to be there for that okay i don't look you got a problem no it's not a problem it's not a problem it's like look it would be dope it would be dope you know who's not gonna remember it the son my son right so why be there the first year say again why be there at all you know my feeling on parenting you don't gotta be there till like three thirteen thirteen twelve or thirteen remember before 13 so say again you remember your life before no no you remember it but like it's not really anything important or valuable

like it's not real parenting for a man until like 12 or 13 you know i believe that 100 i truly 100 believe that you're just there being a good example as a man. But disciplining and that shit, that's all mom until about 13 or 14. Maybe even 15. I hope your shorty's listening right now. A hundred percent. I believe that a hundred percent. A hundred percent.

I'm not disciplining my kids. I admire you because I think you might got the Jordan mentality. I also worry about you because I think you might got the Jordan mentality. So why would i discipline my kids wait why would you be a good discipline we're not talking about discipline we're talking about being there no i'm gonna be there i'm gonna be a dope dad we're gonna go play catch whenever we want to play catch but if you do something wrong your wife is gonna okay my wife is gonna handle that i don't need to be there yeah you said you didn't need to be there discipline my kid that's fair that's a different conversation why would i sacrifice my there. Yeah, you said you didn't need to be there for their birth.

Okay, that's fair. That's a different conversation. Why would I sacrifice my kid loving me? But you said you didn't even be there for their birth. No. Why would I sacrifice my kid loving me? It's so funny. Oh, my God.

You'll be like, mom's a fucking bitch. I'm like, that's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? That's all it is. So then we can- What right though right thank you now what if your kid does some annoying shit to you like he smacks you in the face no no i look at i look at my wife yeah come on you don't let me come on yo what kind of kid you're raising out here what kind of kid you're really gonna be

like hey hold on let me go. Yo, go talk to your mom about what you did. Why would my kid slap me in my face? Because you're never there. Bitch. No, I'm there all the time. Yo, you got a little person

right there. He's like, sometimes you need a father when you're right there. He's really projecting on his life right there. He's like, wow, dog. We need to make a phone call, bro.

Call Mr. Media real quick. Jesus. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be around all that. Right? That being said, it's more responsibility on wifey for the beginning.

For the beginning. Your dad really disciplined y'all at a young age yup yup stop it my dad was the only one who disciplined me

yup stop it you never got spanked say what you never got spanked no clearly not clearly not

do you see this guy who gonna spank me bro who gonna spank me who gonna why for what for what for what

think about it like your dads really came down on you at a young age yep you think your kids are gonna respect you when he does some

fuck shit to you and then you go let me go get mom and then and then your kids are gonna be like wait I can just do anything to dad

and he just doesn't care son son this what you what you're doing is crazy that's how you can teach your kid to be a man is he disrespects you

and you say honey this is why this is why y'all crazy right now you're gonna let him talk to me this is what you're doing is crazy. That's how you can teach your kid to be a man is he disrespects you and you say, honey? This is why y'all crazy right now. You're going to let him talk to me like that? This is why y'all crazy right now. You think that a kid is going to do something disrespectful to me? Yeah. Nah. How would he know not to?

Because I'm the dad. He doesn't even know what that is. Son, yes, he does. He's never existed before. 100%. I come around and you fucking know, silverback gorilla. You know what I'm saying? He can smell it.

When dad walks into the fucking house, you know what time it is, right? When dad walks to your room, it's different than when mom little pitter patter. And do you know why I'm afraid of my dad walking in my room? Why? Because he beat the shit out of me. My dad never needed to do that shit to me.

It was easy. Light work. Just walk to the room but why were you afraid of him because you weren't afraid of your dad yo say what you had a no no i was afraid of my dad bro yo i was afraid i was fearful and he struck fear in my heart he struck fear in my heart but i never did anything but i never disrespected him. And yo, you know what's some real shit? Not only did I never disrespect my dad ever, not even a single time, not once in my whole life. Anytime my mom and my dad would fight about some shit, I'd be like, yo, you need to chill the fuck out.

Like real talk. I don't care what it was. I would take my dad's side a fucking heartbeat. Yeah, but you're not as easygoing as your dad either. Say what? You're not as easygoing as your dad. Yo, can I be honest? I think I like my dad more than y'all like your dads.

Let's be honest about it. None of y'all pushing back. None of y'all pushing back though. That's what I'm saying. Let me tell y'all. Y'all don't know about daddy strategy. Can't have this conversation outside of Patreon. I'm just saying

my dad, whatever the fuck he did. Too many ears on this one. Whatever the fuck y'all dad's dads did and my dad's dad, my dad did it

in a way where my loyalty is to my dad till we die, bro. Y'all be questioning your dads. No, I think you and Mark probably could tie. White fathers,

it's white fathers. Nah, nah, nah. I like my dad more than Mark likes his dad. I like my dad way more, bro. Nah, not even close. I like my dad more than my dad way more bro nah not even close i like my dad more than i like your dad my dad that's true that's true that's true my dad barely remembers me i still like him more real talk whenever he remembers me i'm like yo this is lit bro today you're defying science let's talk about some shit say what he's defying science that's

the type of love he got for me hey bro it's a different strategy it's a different daddy strategy i'm telling you your dads are busy disciplining you and then y'all resented them you're like i fuck this motherfucker my dad was like yo mom gonna handle that y'all want to play i don't mind the discipline ping pong play me left-handed so i could win you know what i mean like it's you can't that's how you dead but if your dad never did anything to make you fear him why'd you fear him it's in here it's not about fear i don't want to let him down that's the thing you don't have to lead by fear my dad didn't lead by fear I didn't want to let him down, bro. That guy, the fucking goat.

That guy always there no matter what when I need it. Man, I can't let that guy down, bro. So he was your Steve Kerr. And our dads were Michael Jordan. Oh. You mean they weren't there for their kids? Yeah, I hear you. Hey, hey, hey.

Jordan, shut up. real talk i'm saying man don't discipline your kids bro don't discipline your kids bro what happens at 13 when you're like all right charlie whatever your kid's dumb ass name is every once in a while you need to fuck some shit up yo but my dad could do without being like brutal like this is the thing and i realized his strategy my dad anything that we wanted he would always just go do anything we needed go do doesn't matter whatever it was and then when you did something that he did not approve of that's where he closed off and he just had to shake his head shaking his head that's way i'd rather you punch me in my face because i can heal from you punching me in my face i can't heal

from me disappointing you the idea of like i remember once we were in barcelona my parents came to visit right my mom never visited me once in college the second i go to fucking europe she's like we should take a trip enjoy europe a little bit right and uh i remember he was watching me play basketball and um the idea of losing in basketball in front of my dad was like i couldn't i couldn't imagine it and i lost guy flew all the way out to barcelona it was a pickup basketball game but we lost the spanish kids to spanish i was so fucking embarrassed dude I was so and my dad didn't care he was like

oh it's just great to watch you play I could not believe the fucking levels of embarrassment he put that in me somehow I don't know how but I feel like

that's the greatest that's the greatest motivational technique if you can do it is making someone not want to disappoint you so yo you buying into

the Steve Kirk coaching model mhm what? you're buying into that's the Steve Kerr coaching model? Mm-hmm. What? You're buying into the Steve Kerr coaching model. What is that? It's positivity. Be there.

Do what they want. Have a good relationship with them, and then they won't want to disappoint you. Don't ever compare my father to Steve Kerr. Don't you ever do that. That's the most disrespectful thing you've ever said to me. I'm not comparing you to Steve Kerr's father. Son. Okay. All right. Let's table this for a flagrant, like, I'm not comparing you to Steve Kerr's father. Son.

Let's table this for a flagrant episode tomorrow. My dad remembered Jameel. Yeah, we got to cut. My dad remembered Jameel yesterday. I went to hang out with him. So my dad is losing his memory, if anybody is listening. And losing it, and he's just having the most fun. He's a perfect example of just acceptance of life. He accepts that this is what it is, and this is part of it. And that's why he's not perfect example of like just acceptance of life yeah like he accepts that this is what it

is and this is part of it and that's why he doesn't he's not like frustrated and resentful he's like yeah it's part of life and we're just hanging out and my dad remembered jameel is my best friend and uh he goes oh shit how is jameel man we gotta have him come over. And it was the coolest thing because to like forget so many things, but remember somebody that was like had a profound effect on like my life, but also just like someone that he really cared about and like knew about. Like what a compliment.

I got to text Jamil about that, but like what a cool thing, right? Like your brain is only locking into these deep rooted memories at this point. There's no short-term memory, no new memories. It's just the deep rooted shit that's always been there yeah it's like fuck what what you did something man jamil you fucking you did something you affected that guy's you know life in a way where like he's just not gonna forget about you until

there's nothing left it's pretty cool yeah oh my god oh guys that's another episode uh that is the last dance uh thank you for being on this journey with us man that was so much fun and what a great series and we'll think about you know maybe doing more of these it's it's uh maybe doing more episodes it's you know it's obviously a very busy week for us and then once things start opening back up we're going to be back out in the road but i like doing this more i think our chemistry is just improved and you know the more you do anything the better you get at it so so let's keep that as an open discussion maybe we'll look at another documentary maybe we'll look at another movie maybe Maybe we'll look at another movie.

Maybe we'll just have another episode every once in a while. You guys can be part of this decision as we always include you in our decision. But we really appreciate you paying attention to this and spreading the word, et cetera. It's been great. Thank you guys so much. All right. Peace.