Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - The Science Of Getting Jacked w/ The Muscle Doc Jordan Shallow

Episode Date: May 20, 2021

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Why can't we just take steroids? Your genetic makeup, that's a bullet in the chamber, but your training pulls the trigger. And the shit hit my chest mad hard. Boom, and I got to here and I stopped and I just started going, take off the little circles. This is why he wasn't allowed to bench press.

That's right. What's up everybody? Welcome to Flaker 2. We are here with our boy dr jordan shallows it's just one of them yeah it's just one at least you didn't hit it with your heart oh i thought it was shallows no no it's been been shallow been shallow i thought it was shallow i've let you skate on it for like two and a half almost three months i'm like nah certainly well now you tell me on the podcast i've been talking about it for months i'm like nah certainly well now you tell me on the podcast

i've been talking about it for months i was literally saving for this this is like retribution every single week i bring you up dr jordan shallows yeah no i let you escape some other guys shallow just one oh you gotta add the s dude that's the thing you gotta add the shallows you pluralize most names yes yeah i grew up with blacks or black i grew up with black no that's a mexican thing too or no mexicans don't pluralize uh dude i like spanish people will not pluralize certain words they should be plural oh god i'm trying to think al help me out you're kind of spanish not spanish enough what is it you're not Spanish enough to know?

Fucking A. It will come to me, but I do believe that. Like five tortilla? No, no, no. Five tortillas? Five tortillas. No, because that's an actual Spanish word, so they would say it, right? That's a good one.

Yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter. We're here with Dr. Jordan Shallows. I'm going to say Shallows. I got to change my Instagram now. It's so much sicker like this. Okay. First of all, just to give everybody a little bit of an understanding of what's going on here.

Jordan has been working us out. At least myself, Akash, and Mark. Alex got a workout in yesterday. Okay. For free, mind you. Yes. I don't know why you've been doing this. You're a professional.

You work with like major athletes. You're the head fucking doctor or whatever at the Brandon Marshall's company. What is it called? HOA, House of Athletes. House of Athletes. There's no reason why you should be so generous to us. Yeah. So before we move on, what is the rub?

What's going on? Because it's a hilarious contrast for me to work with you and then drive up and go work with like a 25 million dollar guy now what whoa whoa whoa no no no no no you could have said athlete they're more successful in every aspect of their life i mean so for me it's just like it's kind of proof of concept yeah like if you can tune a ferrari you can change the oil on a civic right yeah yeah they're calling those athletes civics bro that's fucked up no it's just it's fun to me because like it's more fun to me to like work with you guys than it is to work with them why um because

we listen there's yeah part of it there's less consequence of the objective outcome right like there's less weight and gravity carried to it like you miss a rep it's not a big deal because it's like you for the record if you can't if you're listening to this podcast jordan does not look like the guy who would say there's less consequence of the objective outcome whatever the fuck sentence he just said yeah this guy looks like he should be on a dock yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah with bruce springsteen singing around you yeah you're way too smart for how you look. Wow. That's the shallows thing, right? That's pretty bad for the shallows thing. Oh, now I get it. It's fun to do this.

It's really fun to do, to be condescending, but serious. Okay. But seriously, you look dumb, but you're so smart. That's the bait and switch. It is the bait and switch. Because that's the thing. I don't have to be that smart. Yes.

Like a couple three, four syllable words with a knuckle tattoo. I'm sweet. And also when you start talking about like ligaments and shit, like doctors are really there on point because they know that smart yes like a couple three four syllable words with the knuckle tattoos i'm sweet and also when you start talking about like ligaments and shit like doctors are really there on point because they know they just name it son something difficult we're just gonna trust whatever they have to say where he describes something he goes yeah it's your prefrontal cortex your tiberius is not connected to your euphrates and your tibia is too much and then and then i'm like all right just how do we fix it what do we do do? No, it's fun.

I like it. You like what? Well, because there's like, we were talking, Al and I were talking about this last night, right? He's like- Just give us a steroid. Borderline. That's a Mark thing.

Fucking steroids. That's a Mark thing. Oh, Mark's on a juice? Is Mark on a juice? Every single, no, but like- He wants it so bad. He wants it so bad. He just wants the result.

Yes. He just wants the result. You want to get out of your own head. That's it. That's all you want. He hates my workouts. He hates them. I would never do them.

He hates my workouts. He goes, it's painful for me to even put these together. Is that true? Dude, when you did their spot at the improv a couple weeks ago and you brought up Barry's boot camp, I rushed the stage. Oh, yeah, yeah. What is it like, Barry's boot camp? Because the first couple workouts.

Hey, bro. Hey, bro. Barry out here killing it, dog. Barry got no social distancing in his uh boot camps do your thing yeah do your thing but i remember the first social distancing unlike where you work out you said you you said i have to wear two masks every time i literally you're canadian you're like we have to be careful about our neighbors our neighbors our neighbors might be sick and they might have old people we have to take care of our neighbors you were doing that pull it up on the pot i literally remember you going yo we

went to this gym and the dude was like we got to the doors like you have to wear a mask and i was like yeah no i'll find it you've done this multiple times you always look at me and when we're about to make a decision you go go, what would Ottawa do? That's what you always say. That's what you always say. That's the capital. I'm going to be paying for the shallows. Shallows.

He's on. He's in. We're all in. Okay. So that is true. I like a workout that gets me out of my head. Right. As long as I'm more or less slim, as long as I can look like I may have abs and clothes, even if I don't have them, that's all I care about. But what does that mean out of your head?

I'm thinking about things too much. So I like going to the point of survival. The only thing he wants to worry about is consuming oxygen. That's it. He literally just wants to go until he lays on the floor. Yeah. After every exercise, pretty much, I lay on the floor for a little, especially when we go on the bike. Do you guys even do the bike? The bike is so fucking hard, dog. I hate the bike. It's brutal.

I hate the bike. What does he do for you on the bike? I just warm up on it and I hate it. I hate it. I'm ready to go. Oh, you don't do the 30-30 intervals on it? We've done intervals a few times. And I hate it.

That's his whole workout, is that. Three, four drills together in succession, like minutes. You guys sound like a bunch of bitches over here. You only see the chicks on the bike he makes me push the sled thing i hate that oh i love the sled you like the sled no because my whole life i've just been a bitch so if i'm pushing a sled i'm like i feel like i'm doing something can i ask you a serious question i mean this sincerely because he always makes funny yeah you are he always makes fun of me for this is this Is the floor a little bit lopsided?

Because this way is easy and this way is hard. I have noticed that. I think it's crooked. And there's a gravitational thing. I think there's a gravitational thing. The first round is easy? The first way down, when you go towards the boxing. I think you're just tired, Doug.

No. I don't get tired. I don't get tired. But have you noticed that with bench pressing too, that the way down is easy and then back up is harder? Nothing's hard for me. Also, he doesn't let me bench press. I'm not allowed to bench press.

Sometimes I'll do that. Sometimes I'll do the hexagon thing. The hexagon thing. Yeah, yeah. The hexagon squat or a deadlift or something. Oh, a chop bar dead. Chop bar dead. Chop bar deadlift. Chop bar deadlift.

Chop bar what? Yeah, chop bar trap house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll do that. Okay, let's just get to the bottom of it because we're competitive guys on this podcast. Right. Okay? Here goes.

So first of all, I work out to get out of my head. Right. Mark works out for results. Steroids. Steroids. Steroids. He just wants results. Whatever the quickest way to results is. Akash, why does he work out? I don't know. Akash works out. I steroids steroid you just want results whatever the quickest way to result is akash why does he work out i don't know works out i do i know because it's so it's the contrast

right like yes i the way you approach comedy is so like it seems like really analytical yeah right like when you're doing the netflix you go it's been like 100 hours a week and it's like practice the way you walk out on stage and like you're constantly just polishing he's taking notes for you at shows yeah and it's like your whole life is just like in your own head so you're like all right i'm going to take this hour to get out of my own head because the rest of your life you're in your own head he's in his own head the most when he's doing comedy right like he he's up on stage like he'll get worried when he's about to do a podcast he'll get worried so if he can get like more basically he just wants to

be able to fuck people up or not get fucked up so it's like if he can get build strength in the gym like he likes in all the details we stopped with details like day two yeah once your girl stopped coming she was like oh this is great you could learn some stuff and you're like yeah this is great like this guy doesn't want to learn shit he just wants to move that was the whole thing but like all cautious like okay i want to do it right yeah yeah but you can just tell me how to do it right right how do you fuck up the bike huh how do you fuck up the bike i'll find a way with him it's like he wants to know if shit pops off on stage yeah that like he's i need to be five percent less in my head every percent less in my head i am on stage and so aren't you learning how to fight martial arts like that yeah i just need to get a manly like an

actual man level of strength yeah and then from there we'll learn how to fight so right now i'm so weak yeah that i feel like even if they in jujitsu they're like you flip like this i'd be like and you don't think that we should teach him actually some fighting moves i think he's i think he's on the right track i think like let's build up the muscle first yeah yeah because and this is the thing with jujitsu yeah there's always like the 135 pound guy that's like i don't care how big you are it's like yeah you will yeah you definitely will when i grab the bathrobe and you realize you're fucked yeah right so it's like i can't you can't have that for him so it's like all right let's get it so that when you do go into that you're that you're that you're packing some heat okay and then mark

mark just wants the outcome outcome and then what about alex alex we kind of did like a drink from a fire hose thing where we're like all right this is one session let's just throw that what you called it he drinks from your fire hose out we ain't getting none of this i'm on his goddamn maritime bike for the last three months we did like we did like a probably the deepest thought because it was one session i was like all right yo it was late last night i'm gonna try and give you as much like tangible takeaway shit whereas like you guys like all right we've been working together for months okay so let's like slow drip because you think you the upper dorsum is you billis you brady's shit that you were talking about yeah you thought that was a lot yeah i went

i went like i gave you about 50 percent yeah and And it was like. So basically he's saying, like, I'm way more advanced than you guys. He is more advanced. Yeah, no, he's got like. He's more advanced. He's got good. Yeah, he's like, he watched YouTube videos on how to work out and all that kind of shit. Yeah. So like, I could, I could hit him every step with every set with him.

We layered on something else and layered on something else and layered on something else. Where it's like, with you guys, we slow drifted. Like. Hit it. We're like, all right, next week we're going to do this. Like, yo, next set. He we slow drifted. Like, we're like, all right, next week we're going to do this. Like, yo, next set.

He also changed it and trained in a different gym, which is like a little bit the set and setting. It was a gay gym, right? Yeah. You went to Barry's Boot Camp,

didn't you? Yeah, you guys went to Barry's Boot Camp. That's a fire hose. I got to tell you, Barry's Boot Camp one time, bro. Nah,

I did an F45 class once. A what? F45. Oh, that's super gay, dude. Yeah, my buddy owns the company. so well your buddy's a big old sorry sorry sorry is he big is he uh you could take him you could throw hands i could throw

hands with him he's a rugby player though i don't know ah they're good at tackling yeah that's what you're built like you're built like a rugby player thank you he lived in australia for a lot of years that makes sense that's right you got married in australia yeah and divorced in australia i don't know where i was when i got divorced why why yeah work really she couldn't put up with i mean i'm on the road right i was on the road up until being this in florida this is the longest i've been in one place in the last like four years really prior to trip, the longest I was in a single city for was 11 days for three years. Okay. Yeah.

Jordan, can you give us a little background on you? Were you a professional bodybuilder? No. You were just a guy who lifted? I was a powerlifter. You're a professional powerlifter? Well, as much as people make money powerlifting, it's not really a profession. It's not on my LinkedIn profile or anything like that.

Gotcha. So here's the thing. And it's always at airport security for whatever reason. They're the most inquisitive people in the world. And the seven-second interaction where they're grabbing your dick, where you're kind of spread out. And it's the same thing. It's my left shoulder and right hip every single time I go through that thing. And they're like, oh, what do you do?

And you kind of know what they mean. They're not asking about my vocation or my job so it's like why are you built like but yeah yeah so i'm like oh no like i compete in powerlifting and they always do like the body building stuff or they do like the olympic oh is that this one yeah is it this one it's like yeah for the you're gonna i'm out of your life in three seconds if you let me go and not go to secondary sure it's that one yeah so yeah i was in competitive powerlifting for like five or six years okay and then um yeah i mean backstory on the career i went to chiropractic college in california i started uh as a corporate chiropractor at apple opened a practice in mountain view

started competitive powerlifting uh and then was a strength coach at stanford for three four years now have you ever worked on Tim Cook's back since he probably gets it blown out? I can neither confirm nor deny. Oh, really? There's an NDA. HIPAA, so like health information. He doesn't have an NDA.

You know what NDA stands for? Yes. No dicks allowed. He's never signed one of those in his life. What do you have to treat more with a guy like Tim Cook? A guy like Tim Cook. The back or the throat? Is his neck ever sore?

You know that Floyd Mayweather shit where he puts the weight on his head and you gotta do that? Does Tim Cook have to do that? He's just laying off the side of the ring fucking weight hanging off his skull let's go tim let's go you don't think he's gonna be great at that you don't just become mediocre at certain things if you're great at running the company you know you're gonna run the company and have trash booty hole i've never thought about just think about that like do i have to i'm just yes i bet he yeah because you know they say about

like super powerful women yeah you want to get dominated so a guy like tim probably wants that he wants to get fucked right he's a super powerful guy people always asking questions but he wasn't always powerful i think he was always pretty powerful yeah i guess you're right you're right you're right you might not have been steve jobs but now he's it's a lot of responsibility yeah listen fucked we don't want to get too distracted here right okay so you're working in apple you're doing all these things and then eventually you realize i'm good at lifting shit i'm gonna kind of compete in this yeah but they're not guys that do this professionally i mean with like supplement sponsors and stuff you can make like a half decent living.

Really? Really, really good. But it's nothing. It's nothing. And powerlifting is? Squat. That's it. Bench.

Deadlift. Oh, bench as well. Yeah. All three. So like you take the best of like you all show up on the day. You weigh in separate weight classes. Yeah. And you kind of go like, all right, who can like you get three attempts at each lift.

Yeah. And then you take your best completed attempt at each lift and you add it together and you get three attempts at each lift? Yeah, and then you take your best Completed attempt. Yeah each left and you add it together and you get your total Mm-hmm, and then you stack it up against other guys your weight class and the best total win What percentage of the people on steroids? Depends on the Federation. Okay depends on depends on Federation depends on the meat some are I mean, it's always hard, right? There's difference like any sport like drug tested isn't drug free Right like UFC is drug tested, but like we know UFC ain't no drug free. Oh, really?

Okay, explain that. Well, you can test all you want, but it doesn't mean that people aren't getting by the test. How would people get around the test? We had this conversation at the gym. Yeah. I mean, there's a few, depends on like the overarching like governing body that's going to be testing. Yeah.

Some people kind of know when they're going to be tested. That's a big one. And then how can you get it out of your system depends on like the compounds you take and how long those compounds stay in your system right so it's like if you take something you know if you know you're not going to get like drug tests in the off season you're gonna get a bit of an edge fighters do this with camps right like if fighters going into a camp they're not going to get tested outside of camp the rumor was and i don't want to you know put any shade on the great one's name, but the rumor was there were certain fighters that wouldn't announce their fight

until five weeks out, even though their camps were usually between eight and ten weeks. And that's so that they could cycle from week ten to week five, cycle meaning take steroids. And the only time the commission was able to test you was once the fight was signed. Because they can't go to your gym if you're not contractually obligated to anything. Why would you be even testing?

And that's the difference between an organization like the UFC and the Olympics. Oh shit, I think UFC announces their fights pretty late too. Yeah, I mean look at the guys. They're juice to the gills. I remember, what was his name? Overeem.

Oh, yeah. I remember. Like Overeem. You don't need to bring in the golden snitch. It's like I could have called that from the other side of the way and said, yo, that guy. Are you serious? Like, come on.

Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, the UFC is a little bit different. But I think if all sports started to adopt like an Olympiclympic style where like you had to list your whereabouts like i have friends that are gonna compete in tokyo like fernando reyes the big dude at the gym yeah um at hybrid yeah i'll fuck him up yeah right good luck whereabouts so like they will show up i'll slap him right in his mouth like if he goes he

flies to brazil lift that shit bitch that's what Yo, go lift that shit, bitch. That's what I said. Go lift that shit up, yo. Put some of them circles on the bar and lift it up, son. Circles on the bar, son. What are they? Whatever. You guys can't picture this guy. He looks like the fucking mountain on Game of Thrones, legit.

Who? This guy. That's what he looks like to you? Yeah. What's he look like to you, Cersei i'm gonna look like cersei shame when he walks through the fucking gym shame if you don't lift that fernando you don't know about no real workouts yeah we're not dropping this episode so we out of miami yeah he's a few blocks away but i think like and here's the thing ufc doesn't want i don't think ufc wants drugs out of it no because they look so much better right it was the same with crossfit yeah it looked like tyson fury do you know tyson fury the boxer yeah yeah yeah humpty dumpty bro not a good not a good not a good look he literally he felt like an egg bro he falls down he cracks

he's in miami right now yeah but that's in Miami right now. Yeah, but that's all pro sports. That's all pro sports. Yeah. What do you mean that's all pro sports? Every pro sport they're using? To a certain degree, yes. And it's now performance enhancing drugs. Love this.

We're going to get into this because he said something really interesting to me. He said it would be, and don't let me. Yeah, no, I won't. Misquote you here, but you said that there's so many different drugs it'd be almost impossible to test for every single drug so what they do is test for the thing that removes that from your system and that's where they usually pop you in ufc i don't know specifically about ufc but yeah there's there's some there's a narrow funnel of drugs that most people are kind of blind to and like i'm not a biochemist by any stretch of the imagination but you'll notice that it's like

similar compounds when you read reports when they release them it's like oh why are these guys always getting popped but the the wantingness to cheat will always supersede the wantingness to catch someone cheating yeah they're always going to be on the leading edge so you have an incredible amount of of performance enhancing drug use in all sports because everybody's going to look for an advantage right i mean shit i'm a 37 year old dude i want to take i've asked you specifically this question like what if we just take like a small amount of hg in my whole life he said the funniest shit to me he goes what i say he goes bro we should all just get on steroids and i was

like why he's like ah see for me i don't want say? He goes, bro, we should all just get on steroids. And I was like, why? He's like, see, for me, I don't want to get jacked. I just need it for recovery. Yeah. Recovery from what? Recovery from what? You don't see me laying on the floor after we work out? Wow. You need to work out hard.

You've got to lay on the floor before, son. One day morning, 8 to 9 a.m., he needs to recover. I be laying on the floor at Barry's, bro. I don't give a fuck. After Barry's, I just lay right on the treadmill. I put my towel down on the stop treadmill and I lay on that. Well, do you know why? You know what you're lifting?

What is that? But yeah, man, for real. Number one thing. Oh, sorry. You go, go, go, go, go, go. So one thing I inquired about was HGH because isn't that more for recovery? I want that too. That I would.

I would entertain that shit. If I could just that more for recovery? I want that too. That I would entertain. I want testosterone. If I could just get up the next day and work out again. When I was 5'3", maybe I'd be 5'10". Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? You know Sam? Who? Jim Noren and Sam. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jim and Sam. Sam took HGH as a kid

because he had some weird thing where he wasn't going to grow and now he became a normal sizesized adult. Yeah, where the fuck was that for me? You could have taken it as a kid. They do do this, right? They give it to kids who are undersized, and it makes them fucking regular-sized. Your parents worked at GNC. They should know this. Son, they had access to it.

They didn't try to put any pills in your fucking... It's never too late, Pinocchio. Hey. For real. Dude, that is actually... Yeah, that's bad parenting. Yeah, he saw my green eyes. He's like, fuck this little motherfucker. He's not'm a hater, dog. Dude, that is actually, yeah, that's bad parenting. Yeah, he saw my green eyes. He's like, fuck this little motherfucker.

He's not going to be tall, bitch. How about that? Trying to sabotage you, bro. Yeah, saboteur. Okay, so why can't we just take a little bit of roids, a little bit of HGH? What are the issues here? I mean, this- Just limit it.

Health-wise. Health-wise. What do I have to look forward to? Again, like not a biochemist by trade or vocation. Hey, guys, look forward to again like not a biochemist by yeah by trade or hey guys dr shallows is not a biochemist by any stretch of the imagination now say the shit yeah so like let's let's go with human growth hormone because i think that's the one that gets the most yeah gh that's what we call we call it gh yeah when i'm slapping around raymond in the gym i'm like yeah you need to take a little more gh don't want to mess that up you don't want to be injecting heroin so like yeah so h hgh gh yeah like we produce it naturally

heroin growth hormone would be sick you know the superpowers you would have like the guys the heroin doesn't kill and they're carrying fridges around their neighborhood like that guy you're just throwing up this huge bench press and just falling asleep. I got insomnia. This is perfect for me. Growth hormone and heroin is exactly what I need. Right. So GH. Okay. GH.

Which is HGH for you fucking dorks. Right. The way I be sunning people in the gym, bro. When I walk in that gym, the way I sun people. Do I not? You do. Sometimes I be looking up. They'll lift on the hexagon bar.

What is that shit called again? Trap bar. Trap bar. And I literally just lift do I not? You do. Sometimes I'd be looking, they'll lift on the hexagon bar. What is that shit called again? Trap bar. Trap bar. And I literally just lift it over them like a skirt. I lift that shit up like a skirt. That's mine. And I'll take it and I'll start lifting. Do we not do that?

You do every week. Yeah, we do. I've seen it. 100%. This shit happens, bro. I put Raymond, what's his name, the guy I beat up all the time? Fernando. I put Fernando on a bike the other day, bro.

I didn't tell you that. I said, get your ass on a bike, Fernando, with your fat, flabby ass. And this guy, he actually gave me a little pushback. Yeah, he should. What do you mean he should? He's 200 kilos and he's going to meddle. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Don't.

Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't.

Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Cut that gay shit out of here bro what is this kilos what is that the rest of the world how many liters of water do you have how many centimeters tall is cut this shit out jordan this is america dude come on yeah can we be american about this how many guns tall was it bro okay so hgh yeah hgh so there's obviously cost benefit so one of the long-term issues and

with growth hormone is that it's going to decrease a process in your body called glycolysis which breaks down carbohydrates okay right so it'll increase a process called lipolysis which increases the breakdown of fat so in the short term it's like oh yay great it makes me leaner because it helps promote lipolysis is breakdown of fat yep but long term if you like we know we diagnose people who have a hard time breaking down carbohydrates right that's what diabetes is to a certain degree oh right so glucose management so if you kind of have issues long term with glucose management that can kind of trigger that so decreasing glycolysis is no bueno so if your initial thought process was i'm going to take hgh to get leaner or recover and long quotes you see right well recover it's like i don't know there's a lot more to recovery

than you think and really recovery starts with is that though yeah there is is there though like yeah just recover right just sit down just sit around recover put the gh in me right you know what i mean but there's a lot of people i put my feet up on fernando's back because he's the fucking ottoman in my house when i get back from a long day of work i go like this sit right there fernando and i put on a tv i always feel bad for shouting about now i'll be honest i don't know who we're talking about no clue but i love you fernando r-e-i-s um but yeah so that's kind of like a catch 22 right yeah like the catch 22 is oh i'm gonna take this to get leaner recover but long term you're going to run into it like that's just one of the and one potential long

term is can you bring him up on the tv yeah i heard what um oh yeah that's what inspired uh all right so one potential long-term effect is diabetes yeah potential potential it's not guaranteed but in the short term you're good money, it also depends on like- And then you could get thick too if you stop digesting carbohydrates, right? Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of- Oh, shit. That's Alex Jones.

That's not the Olympics. Alex Jones. I don't think we've met, bro. I've seen him. I've seen him. Because I pointed him out and be like, yo, he's going to Tokyo. He look like Bam Bam Bigelow. You don't want that?

No. Yeah, fuck. And that's the thing. Bam Bam Bigelow. You don't want that. No. Yeah. And that's the thing. That's just a picture. You actually watch him move. Something that big to move as fast as he moves with the weight that he has. Probably one of the most powerful human beings on the planet. Oh, my goodness.

My bad, son. Jordan said he going to medal at the Olympics. Keep talking that shit now, son. At least. Keep talking that shit. Holy shit. You see how many circles he got on that bar out? A lot of circles.

Son. Son, I've never heard that. Keep talking to us. Holy shit. You see how many circles he got on that bar out? A lot of circles. Stop. I've never heard that. Some circles on the bar. So I said that once at the gym struggling, bro. So I was lifting, and I asked him to give me a spot, and I was trying to get over 200 pounds. That was my big goal, get over 200 pounds, right? And I think in order to get over 200 pounds, you have to put my big goal get over 200 pounds right and i think in order to get over 200 pounds you have to put it's 45 what is it 45 45 45 to the

bars 45 is 135 so you put another 25 on each and then that is 185 185 and then you put two tens now you're 205 i put the two tens i try i i picked it up off the thing my arms are shaking i'm like fuck i'm gonna just go for you'll do this once in your life you get over 200 pounds that's the accomplishment and i dropped the shit down and the shit hit my chest man hard right and i tried to use my chest as a little bounce pad like i was just a boom and they put i went boom and i got to here and i stopped and i just started going, take off those little circles. This is why he wasn't allowed to bench press. This right here.

The guy behind me, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, right? I go, take off those little circles. And he, this motherfucker takes off the clamps, bro. He don't even take off the, take off the little circles. Take off the, yeah, you throw him at the clamp. So he just takes off the clamp. Now the weights are shaking like crazy. We don't know what the fuck to do. So this guy makes me yell in the whole fucking gym.

I go, spot, spot, spot. We put the shit up. I'm like, man, why didn't you take all the fucking circles? He goes, what the fuck's a circle? The plates? circles he goes what the fuck's a circle the plates why would you just answer the spot like that bang i didn't want to yell spot yeah you don't want to be a bitch guys i was in survival mode bro it was i was trying to survive though you went out of your head i was out of my head oh son i was laying He makes me get up.

Yeah. Whenever I'm laying on my floor, my floor. Such a bad trainer for making me get off the ground. It's my floor. You heard that, Fernando? Hey, it's mine. He makes me get the fuck up. Why do you make me get up, bro?

Because it's not that hard. It's hard, dude. It's not. It's hard. Wait, so wait, what is his workout? You never explained what it was. Yeah, we just do circuits, though. I go down 75 degree angle with the sled.

I go back up to 75 degree angle. Oh, wait. He just goes on a bike for a little push of the sled. And then it goes on. We'll pair together. Give a workout. Just a regular workout for me. We did some lateral kettlebell passes, some med ball work.

I'd be killing the walls, bro. I'd kill the walls. Just pairing some things together just keeping them moving keep his heart rate up he makes me go on that ski machine that shit is super like calorie ladders or something like that so we'll do like 12 reps lateral kettlebell pass 12 reps of like rotational med ball throws and then 12 calories and then what's our cautious uh more strength focus so like akash will usually start with like a skill movement like kind of what we were talking about it's akash is trap or deadlift and squat primarily and then like my shit sounds so much

You're just sound yeah, you're a reindeer. Oh, you're a reindeer you're pushing the sled working out like a man he's doing winter workouts where you're skiing and pushing a sled it's like it's crazy this canadian's got you on some fucking crazy shit bro god damn yeah when i'm in the gym people fear me like no when i'm in the gym people fear me like no when i'm in the gym you gay mother oh for real am i the only one that lives like that yo you think you know that girl that's always in the gym with us uh no it's not stephanie the latin girl or something like

that brazilian yeah i know who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think I could out squat her? No. Come on, bro. Well, so it's a leverage thing, right? Oh, this is so great. Come on, bro.

No, no, no. Because she's like, she's what? 5'2"? Say what? 5'2"? No, it's a leverage thing, right? I thought that chick was like 5'11", bro. I'll be honest.

I thought she was... You know the one I'm talking about? She always comes in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Half hour after me. Lazy. you know me her and Fernando eating pancakes

all morning while your boy getting it in on a Monday you know first one in the gym on a Monday it's me and that nerd

I mean I can't say no what because he probably watches the show yeah he's still a nerd it's not like he watching that

gotta come from you. I got to see him again. Can he out squat him? Who? No, the nerd can out squat me, dude. The nerd can out squat me. Yeah, yeah. But no, I think she could.

Bro, he was saying. It's a leverage thing. Yo, you're so long. We squatted. We squatted. Yeah, boy. But no, like he's a fucking daddy. He's a daddy Marley.

It's that NLP shit we were talking about before. Okay, go, go, go. I think we squatted once. What? We maybe squatted once. Like some goblet squat shit. I did a squat. He did a squat.

You're only talking about squats right now? I could out squat all you in this room. No, you can't. No, you can't. No, I can't. Mark probably out squats you. I out squats you. Akash out squats you.

Right after the show. Let's go. Son, honestly. Right after the show. I worked out on Monday, so I can't. But honestly, you can't squat shit. Son, I was squatting more than you when we went to LA. That's not true.

What are you talking about? That's not true. Wait, hold on. Jordan, how are his legs? I had shows had how are his legs yeah yeah i mean so like we had like a totally different workout oh he didn't have you work out legs yeah no i did no we did it was just a totally different what did you work out for him uh we did walking lunges leg press quad extensions bulgarian split squat bulgarian split squat right it's like a rear foot elevator no i never did that shit. Nowhere close to Bulgaria.

No, but in all seriousness, his legs are pathetic, right? Like, oftentimes people have looked at Al like when he was sitting down and then he got up to walk and they're like, he can walk.

Like a lot of people have wondered if that was possible. Right. So I'm curious if he can actually lift shit. Yeah, no, he can hold his own. Really?

Yeah. I mean, like the workout was designed to kind of beat him where he was. Al's legs are like a Monsters workout was designed like a monsters in character mr incredible or something he's built like mike wazowski bro for real who's that from monsters inc yeah mike the how are you gonna son they got regular people they got jew monsters that'd be fun if they were all jewish last. What are you trying to say here, Pixar? That's a little redundant, ain't it? That's a little redundant.

Where's Dove to laugh at this? It doesn't seem racist. That's right. He's not here. He went to Israel, bro. He's fighting. He joined the forces. He did.

Well, he went there. He saw some explosions. And he's like, look, man, there's going to be some lawsuits with this. I'm going to go help out. out i'm gonna go help collect um jordan do you think that you're strong enough to uh unite the middle east no that's all i have to ask all right so al's workout al could throw up weight with the legs yeah so we kind of got him. Why is it that his legs are so pathetic looking, but he's strong with them? Well, we put him in a place where it didn't really matter. We kind of organized it in a way where we met him where it was.

We didn't squat at all. Yeah. Right? Oh, wow. Can he squat 300? Be honest. I have no idea. What?

300 what? That's what he does, bro. How much is Mark squatting? I squat 300. One rep, 300, bro. Fuck. There's no idea. What? 300 what? Pounds, bro. How much is Mark squatting? I squat 300. One rep, 300, bro. There's no way. Mark squats 300 pounds? I did like 272 days ago.

I do the 25 dumbbells on each side at Barry's if I'm going under me. Hold on. You're squatting 300 pounds? Come on, bro. I got it. You see his motherfucking legs? He got it, bro. That's how he got that fat ass, yo.

How much can you squat? My best is 750. That's it? We're close. You only squat 750 pounds, bro? Yeah. Professionally? Professionally, yeah.

Just 750 pounds. Bro, how much am I pushing on a sled? I'm pushing damn near 1,000 pounds on a sled. Like 170. How much does a sled weigh? That's not a point. You don't even push your own weight. Say what?

You're not even pushing your own weight. I gotta stop eating because I'm not gonna do any more than 170. It's 170 is the most I push? How much does a sled weigh? Probably like 60 pounds. Oy yoy. What about the one I'm pushing?

We push. And if you're going uphill actually that adds yeah you might as well sit fernando on that shit sometimes i'll say that i'll be like yo fernando sit right there bro and i'm like no don't don't you sit right on the thing that goes up the holes the circles no it's gonna feel too good he's santa claus bro you're rudolph sorry fernando i would love you fernando yo fernando you're the fucking man you'll kill me dogs um what time does he usually come in i don't think you'll catch him at 8 a.m say what i don't think you'll catch him at 8 a.m so

what is he doing at 8 a.m i'm probably sleeping probably actually recovering what is recovery oh what is this so like recovery is two things right like i think the biggest misunderstood part about oh my god this is gonna be zero useful information to pull out of this podcast there's gonna be nothing people are gonna learn nothing hey i don't know you gotta come back from flagrant you. Then they'll learn something right now. It's flagrant too, baby. It's flagrant too. I know. For real, what's recovery?

Because why my girl takes so long to do that shit after a fight? What? What's recovery? How come you can only melt once a week? What's recovery? Why does it take so long? How do we get emotions to recover quicker, huh? How do we do that?

They got some GH for that? They got some testosterone? They got some steroids for that? Every time we in a fight, they recover. Oh, two days later, the lactic acid pretty built up, ain't it?

Yo, you know where you go for them steroids, Neiman Marcus? It's facts. You just need a bag. You don't need a? It's facts. You just need a bag. You don't need a bag of roids. You just need a bag in general. A purse.

Nice little purse. Okay. Recovery. We're going to get this on. We're going to get this on. Recovery. Yeah. So I think the biggest misunderstood part about recovery actually starts with your programming.

Okay. Right? So it's like how much can you recover from based off of your lifestyle right like you guys work a nine-to-five guys work in construction they all go in and do the same work okay you need to program differently because stress is like an aggregate right stress is just stress is stress so you got to be able to like curate your exercise selection your volume your intensity to whatever other stress you have going on right so like in a professional athlete setting where they can can kind of control all their outside stressors for the most part like you got to be

able to program to what they can handle right so all these modalities of like i'm going to sit in the sauna and all this is like yeah but a sauna is not going to out out recover like either under or over prescribing exercise right it's not like i'm going to really bury that like drop the hammer on a workout and then i'm going to go sit in the sauna that day and i'm going to and then you're good yeah no that's that's a bit of a that's a bit of a myth right so i think the most underutilized recovery tool is actually proper exercise programming right because you're going to be able to calculate and quantify the stress more accurately that you're putting on your body that you need to recover from everyone's like i'm gonna go in the steam room i'm gonna go in the sauna i'm gonna put

these boots that squeeze my legs and some whatever it's like i'm gonna do all this stuff i'm gonna take all this gear i'm gonna take all these supplements and it's like well can you actually quantify the stress that you're accumulating in the gym first right so it's like most people don't go into the detail of like exercise programming and furthermore down to the granular detail of exercise execution which is like how can i quantify his quantify his lunges that we were doing yesterday if every rep looked dramatically different right so like how how can we first pre-qualify each movement in the workout every one of alex's reps well no different than yours like there's a skill to it right but it's like no no like we're all on the same level right like and we kind of we're not some of us are better but it's like even me like i've been training for 15 years like this is my whole job is to break down the granular

detail and i still have to go in and there's moves i have to exercise i have to practice so there's a skill to exercise that pre-qualifies quantification so everyone's like i did four by ten at this i went for 200 pound yolo too many circle pr on bench press i did right but it's like you didn't because winter winter solstice right that gravity is a different 200 pounds than if you pause on your chest yeah right so it's like i think recovery is like what are you recovering from and that's the biggest thing. And like, that's, that's kind of the fun thing from pro.

Like you asked me originally, like, Hey, why do you train us? And then go train NFL players. Yeah. Cause it's like, there's so much easy to pro easier to program for.

Yeah. Cause like the rest of, I know what the rest of the day is. They usually all got Twitch streams. They sit with their feet up with the Versace slides. So can kill them because you know that they're gonna relax because i control everything right where it's like he's gonna come in he'll he'll hit me up at like four in the morning like dog i'm still not asleep yeah but he'll he'll fucking soldier in two hours later like on no sleep he's a dog but it's like and that for me is like you can program for an athlete especially

on off season but you need to like coach guys like you right so like programming is very binary like exercise programming is very binary these guys move really well and that's not exclusive for all pro athletes but i can kind of write an off-season program and stick more to an off-season program with a pro athlete because their variables are pretty well controlled. Maybe they're in a contract negotiation, they've got to go fly out, try out for a team or something. But other than that, chilling. They make fucking $22 million in 17 weeks. They're just living off the interest.

But it's like, yo, man, we just got in from Phoenix last night going through a tire. So I've got to be on the fly. So it's actually way more difficult in certain ways to coach someone who has a more dynamic lifestyle. tired so i gotta be on the fly so it's actually way more difficult in certain ways to like coach someone who has a more dynamic lifestyle where pro athletes are almost like they're very binary they're computerized like they're robots they're built to put on this planet to do one thing catch a football run with football tackle a guy kick a football so it's like i can kind of sit

back with like all my other variables control the mayo here's the here's the roadmap you know we got 35 weeks in the off season here's how we do mesocycles micro cycles macro cycles i can sit there and just kind of like doing bits versus doing crowd work what crowd work you don't know what the variables are you know what's gonna happen you gotta you gotta read the room figuring out in the moment right and then it's like yeah i've done this a thousand times here's your program so that's like that's the fun thing for me and that's the proof of concept because it's like yeah i've done this a thousand times here's your program so that's like that's the fun thing for me and that's the proof of concept because it's like once you get to a certain level like you're not like if you were just doing netflix specials and like you were just running and i'm like i'm probably gonna fuck this analogy out because i don't know your world that well

but it's like if you're just running netflix specials and like everyone loves you and you're not doing you're not you're not doing those like wednesday night improv bits you're not sharpening the muscle that's what that is for me. That's what you guys are for me because it's like I have an intent of the workout. Like I want to do some lower body skill movement. I want to train some upper body output. But some days upper body output with Akash is going to be dumbbells because he got four and a half hours of sleep. And for him, that's a lot.

But today it's like, yo, he's already showing me signs of fatigue early on in the session when we're practicing our skill that skill is breaking down i gotta i gotta now change my approach but still drive the same stimulus so rather than like a dumbbell press like let's go to something more external we were squatting heavy yesterday i mean pr yeah that was well even with alex in real time yeah big circles bro big circle who's the best natural athlete of all of us oh let's go oh so i mean athleticism that's a really good question because athleticism that's great right wait real quick to put the recovery question in in dummy terms for me right the most important part of

recovery is working out smarter essentially more okay so i don't like that language okay it's like to your nerd point earlier yeah it's like there's a there's been a movement for a long time and maybe like social media was kind of driving this or like the late night tv bow flex fucking whatever peanut yak stuff but it's like it's basically barry's boot camp in your living room yep but it's like they're the intelligent movement was like this revenge of the nerds and fitness where everyone's like oh you got to train smarter not harder it's like yeah no you should probably still be laying on the floor right like i think when people think about training smart they get soft right there's a way where it's like yeah we can know like the what do you call it the

euphrates yeah or whatever the fuck yeah yeah and there's the it's your middle knee connects to your upper dorsum yeah it's all really complicated but it's like you can know that and then still yeah it is denial and still go there i think when people start to train smart they just they just don't go there anymore yeah right so it's a and part of it's like putting people in positions where they can feel safe to go there so like we practice skill so we did lunges first yeah and it's like that was a skill and like we manipulated like his field of vision so we blocked him from seeing his foot and we had to focus on seeing his foot we tried to play on like these these ways to develop athleticism and

then after that we're like yo let's hunt sit on a leg press grab the fucking handles breathe at this point and just go until you can't go anymore right so it's like you got to be able to play into that so to your point about athleticism like who's the best natural athlete you got to define the word for who's the best soccer player we can start there well and that so here's my default right because athleticism is going to favor more than just pure strength right so i would say the most difficult sport from a coordination standpoint and my basketball no is so i would give it i would give it to him so athleticism is like it's i think you got to try and define athleticism first how would you guys define athleticism whenever i'm the best at right okay

so i'd be like boxing like you're the best boxer in the room without a doubt yeah well right but like there are sub components to athleticism like when you have the goat conversation right the greatest athlete of all time so what does athleticism mean right so there's so many subcomponents of athleticism like strength is a part of athleticism speed agility endurance power what about engine engine yeah like being able to keep going endurance that's endurance oh endurance right engine what about who told you I put some circles on my engine. I thought you meant like Native American. Intangible. Let me bring it back to the basics, bro.

Let me bring it back to the basics. Yeah, so I mean, Akash brings up a point about intangibles. Yeah. Right? But I would say like one of the- What is intangible? Intangibles is like how much of you will it? Is that a cast of Indians?

Bro, those are the intangibles, dog. You can't even touch them. We do have intangibles, actually. When you think about it, we do have intangibles now you can't even touch them when you think about it we do have intangibles you don't think about them slave labor in jersey actually depending it's a story depending on like what subset of athleticism you value that's usually how people rank their goat right like right what do you do you value speed over power right well then usain bolt is the best athlete of all time right like do you develop court or do you do you value coordination above all else right then you might look at some sort of gymnast or something like do you value endurance and lance has entered into the conversation right so for me especially working with like primarily pro nfl or pro football or nfl guys i think there's some subsets of

athleticism that people miss like like rhythm rhythm to me is one of like the most important subsets of athleticism who got the best rhythm be honest i haven't really it's not out for sure it's not out it's not be. Be honest. It's not Al. Be honest. I'm going to give it to you because I've seen you hit the speed bag. Let's go! Let's go! It's task dependent.

I don't think you can necessarily cross-pollinate these concepts. You can't cross-pollinate them. There's nothing y'all can do. There's nothing y think there's nothing y'all can do but i do it with them you've seen these fucking flippers scuba steve walking i'm scuba steve after service so what shoes oh i know the ones that you got it's the red ones it's the red ones with the thick so so bad what you gotta get i can't wear my pumps to the workout

i'm wearing my pumps to the pump, bro. What does Akash wear? So we went barefoot yesterday, which was good. Oh, God. No. I'm not coming back to this, bro. We did that yesterday, too. Akash was in his element right there.

Son, was he hanging from the barb of his feet, son? He went upside down. Fucking grab his head like a slime. Yeah, so for me, with the population that I work with primarily, athleticism comes down to rhythm. Like there's a rhythm to pro football. And you see it. Like you're ever in a college weight room, you're ever with the pros,

music's blaring, they're all like dancing in between sets, and they'll catch balls in between a dance move. And it's like, oh, that's something that we don't consider. That's something we don't consider, and it's something we should consider, bro. I've been telling these motherfuckers forever about this shit. That's one of my biggest criticisms of Fernando. I look at that motherfucker, listen, you fat fuck. Listen here. Listen here.

Listen here. Listen here. Listen here. You said you would pay me $250 to make fun of him. You said you would pay me 250 to make fun of him you do this fernando it's all on him it's on him i don't even know who you are but i love you um but but yeah man i keep on harping on the fact that it's about rhythm bro and he's got to get his rhythm down al don't have rhythm is can't even dance in a fashion video. That's a great point.

It's embarrassing, bro. White people dance it. I can't do that shit. There's a difference between athleticism and what we do in the gym. And what we do in the gym. That's very true. I always say that. I've heard him say it.

I got it from him. Yeah. I say that all the time. There's a difference between athleticism and what we do in the gym, Al. When you're in the gym, you're in a fucking dog house. Okay? And you need to come bring it bro you need to come bring come bring some rhythm yeah you out here doing lunges like a giraffe that's what jordan shallows told me he said al does lunges like a giraffe we all started dropping in and i was had way more rhythm and athleticism than both of you here combined. What are you talking about?

Son, that fucking obstacle course. You got no endurance. You got no endurance. You were gas. Your endurance is track. Did you text me about your knee? I don't think you're out of this conversation. That was when I hit the backflip on.

That didn't get included. Mark literally mid-obstacle course texted Jordan Shallows about his knee because his knee blew out. Didn't your Achilles go at the same time? No was my shoulder i think i saw it on the gram and then as i saw it was just like mark gangnag andrew schultz and i was like i wonder if this has andrew's achilles he fixed mark's uh knee he fixed alex's gay this guy's a magician you're more than a chiropractor it's still in recovery now listen do you breathe

come on that's rhythm relax tony uh do you believe do you believe that chiropractors are real what do you mean doesn't doesn't consider them doctors yeah and i don't care what you call me you call me the fucking janitor, but I know who's going to call me when the season comes up. Take that. Take that, you fucking intangible. I'm not going to crack your...

Take that. What does that mean when the season's coming? When the season's coming? If guys are making M's, they don't care that I'm a chiropractor. They don't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Clap, clap.

Hey, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about the fact that you're a chiropractor. Nobody cares. Right. No. No,'s that's a good point this is what akash values most being a doctor yeah right how's that we're the same level of doctor right now oh shit let's go oh shit i don't care yeah yeah I get to do whatever the hell I want He gets to do whatever he wants My biggest thing is like

Do you have knuckle tattoos? Me too as long as I get Andrew's permission Quite frankly I don't see the difference What's the difference? Yeah well it's a weird sounding board right? Brandon Marshall for you Andrew Schultz for me

Same same Same same They're the same person really Brandon Marshall and Andrew are very different Okay let's same person really random martial andrew very different okay let's be let's be clear we're very different people you know but you know some who's not that different you know who i'm talking to motherfucker all right what's his name again fernando fernando f Fernando. You know who I'm talking to, motherfucker. Hey, hey.

What time is he usually in the gym? Now I'm coming in. Probably around now. Probably around now? Yeah, midday. They need to do two sessions a day. Two sessions a day? Yeah, that's it.

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i believe you're a real doctor i don't care no because here's the thing like i get do you remember because like rogan put like had this chick on she was like a geology professor didn't know where your hole from her asshole and she got on some big fucking on her soapbox on his show yeah and was like talking about chiropractors and stuff like she knew what she was talking about but it's like like let's go comedians for a second cosby louis ck am i sitting in a room full of like pedophiles does y'all stand up comedians and like i'm not going to defend the chiropractors but it's like at a certain point like she doesn't know enough about so you're saying there's a few quacks out there but i'm saying the profession lends itself to it because it's you know it's a it's an inverted system if i get you better i don't get paid and the better i am the better

i can get you quicker right so it's like there it lends itself to this cycle of like being a predatory in the way that the business oh i didn't know that that was the knock on it that's one of one of the knocks oh i could no clue i thought the knock on it was that um it's momentary healing it functions in a similar way to like a strong pain reliever whereas like you're gonna readjust these bones in my body right and that's gonna put less tension on the muscle that's pulled, but eventually the bones are where they are and they're gonna go back. But in the moment, it is so much fucking relief.

I had a guy come over and literally save a week of my life. I couldn't even move. I'd slip something in my back, or I pulled that muscle I always pull. The guy came over and I was able to fucking walk around. It was unbelievable. I know that's not long-term solution, but I thought that was the criticism, that it's not long-term solution. but i thought that was the criticism that it's not long-term solution i didn't know they were saying they're

actual people trying to like get over what do you mean get over like he didn't know there were actual chiropractors that are just like i'm not gonna fix you i'm gonna make sure you just keep coming oh well i mean that's there's one in the same right like it's the same conversation it's essentially right because if it's not if it's not a permanent thing then there's a there's a uh a codependency or dependency that's created in that relationship right so it's yeah it's not a permanent thing, then there's a codependency or dependency that's created in that relationship, right? So like this person would be like, yo, come back like twice a week forever, right? Because you're going to have this issue. So I agree that that's a big problem.

And that's why I operate the way I do and focus more on like corrective exercise and exercising correctly. Well, I was doing a PT for something and they had there was a they had a pt that was also a chiropractor right and basically what they said it was like full transparency they were like listen i can do these things and massage you and in these certain ways that are going to alleviate pain but if we don't do exercises that are going to readjust these muscles and like readjust your posture so it maintains by itself you're going to be coming here for the rest of your life and i was like oh yeah that's go right well there's there's even am i off on that no it's not but that chiropractor who's a pt also needs to be either a trainer or a strength coach

because it's like especially for you the exercises right and it depends on the person like between akash's mom and you there's two very different nervous systems right there's two very different central nervous systems yeah that's really where these adaptations are occurring is at here this is where we make the change this is where we learn right so if you grew up boxing and you have much more input you have much more output then it's like the physical therapy exercise like all right maybe i'm going to crack your back or whatever and then we're going to do we're going to grab some yellow band and attach it to the door handle.

And these are the exercises you're going to do. It's like, yo, you're, you throw hands, man. Like you, you ball, like you've been, you've been doing things. This is not going to register it. Your nerve, your nervous system is going to see this and be like, get the fuck out of here. Right. So it's like, this is where even that model falls short.

Right. So people like will prefer physical therapists to chiropractors for that reason because chiropractors aren't known for kind of working how I would work and taking it from the table to the barbell. But it's like that's really for an athletic population, anyone with any developed training age. And I would say that's everyone in this room. That everything else is too remedial. That corrective exercise stuff where it's like they give you a band you tie it to a door handle you do the rotation and stuff and like there's an hour's worth of conversation about why those exercises with the bands are nonsense

even for an untrained population but like you need a more specific approach like your thing is going to be how is it that we can qualify the movements you're doing and pick better movements that are more challenging so that adaptation can actually occur for you're doing and pick better movements that are more challenging so that adaptation can actually occur for that long term. Can you explain something to me? You did something that was magical and I truly don't understand it. And I tried to look it up

and I went off of your explanation. I thought it was really brilliant. But I had that issue with my Achilles because we were backflipping in Columbus because that's how many things there are to do in Columbus. We were so bored. We were like, should we just learn how to backflip just try to kill ourselves yeah that might be better uh and i like i thought i tweaked my achilles and i was really nervous because i was

like oh god i get nervous about the idea of like doing any long-term recovery yeah i'm just like i don't want to tweak it so i kind of like laid off of it for a little while i first was working out and it would continue getting sore and i come in and you ask me a few questions about the achilles it was really sore like it was really bad and then you start squeezing around my fucking leg yeah you locate that it's not really achilles it was to the alice posterior to the alice posterior and you keep touching it and now it's good i don't feel bad at all prior to that and i haven't changed the way that i've been exercising i haven't taken more time off you just squeeze my leg and now it's better yeah the average person myself included doesn't understand what the fuck happened right

you explained it to me can you explain to people at home what happened right all right so an injury is applied force greater than tissue tolerance that's the applied force greater than tissue tolerance greater than tissue tolerance so the tissue can tolerate a certain amount of force and this is too much force to that tissue and that's every injury and that's every okay so so like imagine like you got stabbed applied force to the knife Greater than the tissue tolerance of the skin and the muscle. Breaks the skin. Yeah. Breaks the muscle.

Yeah. Okay. So our body, like when we learn biomechanics, if you go down this rabbit hole, oftentimes biomechanics gets taught these things called like free body diagrams. They're two-dimensional depictions. You see a little stick figure, the guy's squatting and it's like, well, a front squat is more upright because the bar is here and then the knee is this and if your leg is this big then your torso goes to this angle like that's not actually biomechanics that's mechanics right because that's two-dimensional it's a two-dimensional picture

yeah we're three-dimensional beings or moving through three planes and we also move through a dimension of time yeah biomechanics need to take into into account your nervous system as well 100 right so it's like our body like if you look at how nerves sort of fire and how they're laid out in our body it's not necessarily these straight lines like classical mechanics is moving between the shortest distance between two points of the straight line so we can take these angles and these rulers and draw this and be like oh your your torque is this or your lever arm or moment arm is this distance and therefore divide by pi and then this is the amount of newton meters of force you have to produce or whatever bullshit is yeah and that doesn't that doesn't come off

the whiteboard right that doesn't come onto the gym floor right that's all purely theoretical two-dimensional mechanics yeah biomechanics is understanding that okay our body kind of works like lightning right where it's like it finds the path of least resistance right these neurological impulses are electrical in nature right like ionic channels and depolarization all that shit so it's like we need to just figure out why is that we're converging so much force on this tissue that seems to be intolerant to it rather than just trying to strengthen the tissue itself a lot of people get injuries like oh my knee hurts i have patella tendonitis my achilles hurts maybe i tore it like that was an early concern of yours like maybe i tore my achilles and like that's a no joke injury yeah or anyone little i had a little tear and i was like

oh my god you don't want to be big achilles are like career enders achilles suck if you don't know what you're doing so it's like well you just seem to have irritation and for some reason our body is choosing this path of least resistance as applying too much force to that so i look at that and go okay like if this nervous system kind of works like lightning rather than these straight lines how is it that we can maybe like diverge some of this force away from the achilles what else is kind of in the region that may be acting like a lightning rod that should be acting like a lightning rod to draw in some of this force that may be kind of decommissioned based off of the way you rolled your ankle trying to backflip

in columbus okay right so it's like i've dealt with enough ankles and feet and foot and not like That may be kind of decommissioned. Based off of the way you rolled your ankle. Trying to backflip in Columbus. Okay. Right. So it's like. I've dealt with enough. Ankles and feet. And not like the way you guys deal with feet. But like I've dealt with enough. Which has totally ruined. How I look at people now.

Yes. So thank you for that. Same thing happened. He gave me like a PhD level dissertation. I did this. What he did there for feet. And the angle in the toes. And I was just like.

I went home. And I was just like. Looked at tests. And like my girlfriend is gorgeous. She's amazing. the best and i looked at her feet and i just literally thought fuck you walk on carried on with my day but it's like so it's what else is in the lower leg that should be accepting this force yeah right so tibialis posterior can work in a similar fashion to the the gastroc and the soleus which connect on to the achilles tendon so if we can kind of get this back online if we can get our body like hey let's

actually start using this tibialis posterior again to do what tibialis posteriors do we're going to no longer converge all that force into the achilles right so it's like i just need to rewire your path to least resistance so the analogy i always use and we were talking about this yesterday and i think i probably explained it to all of you by now is like uh motion capture the idea of a motion capture system that you know whether it's creating nba 2k10 or whatever or they have those black suits and little balls on them and then yeah and it goes to a computer and then we can overlay a skin of the character on top of the movements and make it really realistic our body has that our body has that internally like we have these things called muscle spindles that relay proprioception and allows us in our mind so when i can't see where my hand is i know where my hand is because my central

processor my computer is my brain yeah so without visually seeing this i know where it is so when you rolled your ankle you kind of like took a few of those ping pong balls and kind of put them offline right so you're kind of getting this error message as your body starts to try and fill in that image in space. And that error message is getting perceived as pain. I roll my ankle and I damage some of those ping pong balls. Those ping pong balls are the things that accept messages and send messages to the brain. So because they're damaged, they're not accepting or sending any messages. And therefore the only ping pong ball that's left, you're saying was like the Achilles

one. Yeah, more or less. And you're just getting an error message filling in from that expected transmission from the one that's missing. Ah, and then the error message is pain. Right. So we're feeling this pain, but that's just the way that our body says that there is something wrong. It might not necessarily mean that the region itself that I'm feeling the pain is broken. It could be something else that's been affected. Is that what happens? So, yeah, you heal an injury, but you unlearn pain. And oftentimes there's a middle ground of this Venn diagram. Uh-huh.

The overlap's very strong. Uh-huh. Right? So like low back issues are really common one so like lumbar spine disc herniation yeah yeah 25 of people that are asymptomatic that don't have low back pain have herniated discs on an mri so it's not this n equals one relationship but like this equals pain so it's like you've found a way to like out function that damaged structure right so yes you do need to a certain degree to heal tissues to not feel pain because there is an overlap in like

that unlearning versus healing process that pain process but they're not completely superimposed in the same thing okay so then when you squeeze my leg right not near the achilles no at the tip post at the tip post you were engaging the ping pong balls again yes you have a lot of these right turn it back we talked about like proprioceptors being one and that's stability work so whenever we're doing like lunges or things like that and your foot's out we were talking about this last night you know your foot's trying to like catch your femur basically like trying to stay alive yeah that's yeah yeah panic stuff right so proprioceptors are one of those ping pong balls but we have specific inputs that are for like deep pressure stimulus yeah so if i go in and what i did is

grab your tip post it was like yo like oh shit really hurt that's kind of like there's a there's a nerve ending that acts to feed into this high resolution hopefully high resolution motion capture within our own brain and where our foot is so deep pressure is one heat is another vibration is another like those there a gun and maybe that's a branded term i just don't want to the the jigsaw looking things that are right and i'm sure they have my berries yeah they have them like crossfit gyms we got them up at hoa yeah and the reason that they're effective is because we actually have nerve endings that are specific to receiving and then sort of engaging this transmission process that's specific to vibration. So vibration, deep pressure, heat, light touch. Is that what acupuncture does?

Acupuncture, similar. Kind of like accidentally, did they fall into success? Yeah, I don't know much about acupuncture. But functioning in the same way right i'm going to bring a lot of attention to these specific regions and then maybe we'll fire up those receptors that for whatever reason are damaged or not accepting it's the only i mean it's not like how necessarily a profession works or a discipline it's just how your nervous system works right right so they're everything that we perceive has a transmission and a receiver right right that's how it gets to our brain acupuncture is probably just a combination of those things and simultaneously getting these feedbacks of these inputs from these different receptors but we have all these different

locks that kind of turn the same key right so it's like stretching can do it right and the tip post is a little bit difficult to get to because of the way like the ankle has to move and the knee has to move to get into a position to actually stretch it. But like there's a stretch receptor. So like just a conventional stretch of like taking origin insertion of a muscle and moving it away from one another. Right. That's another input that helps us create this hopefully high resolution, very accurate depiction of where we are in space. So you have different receptors that feedback based off of the stimulus input that they receive, right? Some are just wired for vibration. Some

are just wired for deep pressure. Some are just wired for heat. Some are just wired for, some are just wired for pain. Some are just wired for proprioception. Some are wired for deep pressure or sorry, uh, for stretch. So all of these different things are all ways that we can externally kind of hopefully manipulate strategically to start bringing this back online. Now, it breaks down one degree further. And this is where it gets, I think, pretty interesting is that we can base our progressions off the speed in which these things are transmitted. Right. So stability, which is something that I've probably harped on with all of you at some point in time like that word i really mean proprioception and proprioception moves faster in your body so that

muscle spindle reflex that one particular nerve ending that pathway from that ping pong ball to the brain moves faster than other pathways right so? So the deep pressure pathway, the vibration pathway, they move a little bit slower. Pain actually moves the slowest, 6 to 30 meters per second. So like a pain transmission that's filling in the gaps for a transmission that's missing from another one of these receptors, these transmitters up into the brain, pain moves 6 to 30 meters per second,

which we think like, all right, bolts run in like 15 at max velocity, 30 is pretty fast. But if you think that proprioception, stability, and like what's called a golgi tendon organ reflex like a stretch reflex so stability drills and stretching they get transmitted the fastest upwards of like 120 130 meters per second so it's like if i want to beat pain to the brain this is really what i'm going to do so for me it's like when we look at mobility drills or we look at trying to fix your ankle it's like all right let's start with some of something that's just a tier faster than pain if pain moves six to thirty meters per second what is the next input that we can not block necessarily but beat pain with or what's the next thing that we can learn that will

then beat pain or or just outrun pain to the brain and that's some of these like well all i did was just grab your tip post and said hey move your ankle around right and that's deep pressure i just took my thumb but why did fix it because that brought back online the idea that your body can now use the tibialis posterior before it just didn't well it just funnel it just bypassed it right yeah funneled the force into the achilles so the achilles because i literally just give context i didn't do anything on the foot for at least a week and a half and it did nothing.

It was still painful. It sucked. And you squeezed it and it was better within a week. Right. I don't know how the fuck that happened, but now I'm understanding you just re-engaged something.

You woke something up. More or less, yeah. And like there's... You figure the body would know how to do that by itself. Well, what the body is doing is in itself a self-preservation mechanism ah it's like that thing is broken let me not touch that let me go to the next thing i mean there's like lizards that like lose their tails like oh fuck it and they run out of the tail i'm out you keep the tail rather than you get the rest of me right so i think it is a self-preservation mechanism it's

an efficiency mechanism yeah but now all of a sudden because we're in a conventional mechanical model we would look at this two-dimensional picture and be sudden because we're in a conventional mechanical model we would look at this two-dimensional picture and be like oh we we need a certain amount of newton meters force of tissue tolerance at the achilles yeah let's do eccentric loading let's do plyometric let's do jumping let's do all this stuff let's just go at it with a steel rod and try and like scrape it a bunch it's like the issue isn't the tissue tolerance of the achilles the issue is why are we applying so much force to begin with? Okay. Break down the difference between HGH, testosterone, and steroids.

Okay. So those three things can't necessarily be calibrated. They're operating at different scales. So like steroid is just like a designated term to a group of hormones. We have hormones. Al, have you ever done steroids? I took testosterone pills back in the day like gmc over the counter stuff yeah yeah shout out akash hold on though and so here's the thing and there i don't know if it was similar do that but we talked testosterone

over the counter you can just buy back in the day and like it was called like methylated testosterone and it was like it was in the little glass cabinets right that stuff your parents would have given you that you would have had some issues so you can kind of it's a wash they didn't give you hgh whatever but they didn't give you that either because that stuff was pretty lethal like i know guys that had like run around kidney dialysis right now because of the stuff they were buying over the counter back oh shit they're like there are people in competitive sports that they were abusing it they were going super's not a, those particular compounds were not hard to abuse because they were so potent and so harsh.

Okay. So the vehicle of delivery of like those types of drugs is going to broadly dictate the side effects. So most people think that like injectable performance enhancing drugs are more dangerous. But they're actually more. So they, and again again the whole biochemistry thing they we know you're not about chemistry not holding you to that sure asking these questions as a workout guru yeah which wow thanks what did you uh were you asking yesterday why am i not like

a tiktok influencer or something like that that's a worse accusation workout you're a workout you're a whiz kid fuck me and go into this you're a workout um that's what yeah so a lot of people like oh well right you know you inject heroin that's bad for you yeah for instance a drug that's obviously bad for you and the pills must be a little bit more innocuous it must be easier for you when actually the way your body has to process and break down these hormones through that vehicle of delivery is usually much harsher liver kidneys right so they're fairly liver toxic so it's doing damage to a lot more shit than yeah if you could just it's just it's got to it's got to go through these things to get in and be like bioactive in the body right so it's kind of your original

question so it was sterile testosterone and hgh is there another one uh i mean there's there's hundreds of like what they call designer drugs but is there another like umbrella that i'm not knowing about right so let's let's let's identify the umbrellas first yeah so the two ones that i think we've been talking about the most so there's steroids and peptides okay they're both hormones right so there's steroid hormones and peptide hormones and those are different those are different they're different primarily in their why do we never hear anybody talk about peptides so it's emerging it's emerging now in like from a recovery standpoint oddly enough yeah um that i mean the compounds like bpc 157 tb 500 um gh rp6 all of

these things are kind of new and they sound like ogan kept saying over and over and then we went over to whitney and she was doing it too the peptides thing they would shoot right into their stomach subcutaneous or so i've done peptides. So I did BPC-157 and I directly injected that into my tricep tendon and I did subcutaneous. So peptides are like gray area. Some professional sports have a ban against them. They're difficult to test for. But peptides, so let's go after the umbrellas. Peptides can be, yes, there's BPC-157, there's TB-500, all of this stuff. But GH and insulin or HGH and insulin are also considered peptide hormones. They're much more complex and oftentimes just have to be administered through injection.

Because they are so complex, you can't, as you orally ingest them, you can't really break that down into anything that's bioactive in the body. Metformin is like a little bit of a different process metformin is like insulin right but it's it's an oral insulin blood glucose management thing so umbrella terms peptides and then steroids right and they're both hormones so this category of like steroid hormones then that's where most of what you hear in the news and performance enhancing drugs is based around much easier to test for way more compounds been around for longer peptides really emerging new kind of market not necessarily in performance enhancement in the way that we think about like jose canseco that era baseball like barry bonds his giant fucking head like new

peptides are really more based around recovery of like tendons and avascular tissue. So what makes your head big just to real quick? Yeah, so that's an interesting one. Is that the HGH? HGH at high enough dose triggers a compound in your body, if I'm not mistaken, called IGF-1, insulin growth factor one. That's when HGH starts to help not just put on muscle, which at low dose, it doesn't really do that well.

So HGH isn't necessarily anabolic and one of its primary properties. Anabolic is like the defining term of growing, right? Muscle tissue primarily. But once we get to the level that we have enough GH circulating that it triggers this IGF1, that I think then starts to stimulate growth of everything i got it you're

the blue guy from x-men beast yeah oh it's so funny my buddy you're a beast that's what it is so i figured it all and then so what happens like or like hulk you're like bruce banner but like when he just goes i'll just be hulk the whole time right yeah yeah yeah but like you're a nerd but like you're fucking jacked right yeah this is i don't i don't know you shouldn't be like this i don't hate that you're like an astronaut thank you yeah yeah it doesn't make any sense so just breaking shit in the spaceship so but here's the thing we talked about akash earlier yeah yeah i just want to make his head normal sized so can we give him hgh what can we do so this is kind of my own theory about so they

give it to kids because when you're growing, you have these things called like growth plates in your long bone. That's right. And sometimes you'd break your, you ever have a friend who like broke their leg and then the growth plate was affected and it wouldn't grow as long. It's called a Salter-Harris fracture. Salter? Salter-Harris.

And that's when they break the plate and because of the growth plate fracture, their leg or arm or whatever it is doesn't grow. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. So that's like, there's gradients of salter harris fractures but that's it so as a kid before those growth plates are closed if we can introduce hgh then it can increase oh wow but once the growth plate's closed now it's done but there are bones in your body that

don't have growth plates right like your long bones like your tibia your head your skull that's what i'm thinking and that could be common knowledge i just haven't read too much into it but like people who get accused of like just having like the giant dome yeah like the berry bones yeah okay so so uh peptides are more used for recovery okay so this is where it gets trickier okay i know right it's hard but give us the most like basic like no you can't. You can't. Why would Whitney Cummings be doing peptides? It's not to get jacked. She doesn't want to get jacked. So she probably means skin, hair, nails, things like that.

All of that. There's like a youth serum in it. I've always heard that about HGH. It's good for anti-aging. Yeah, that's a thing. Now, I don't know to what degree it's going to get longer. Boner's hair. If we go to HGH but i heard it you get like

horny more often your hair is thicker the hair i've heard the nails i mean it's all i guess would trigger or stimulate like collagen deposition or collagen formation in your body so that might be part of it um a lot of not aging is just it's not necessarily gross sometimes but the absence of death right so if we can stop these cells from breaking down, that might be a fundamental difference. Yeah, certain things, like what is it, like collagen just stops reproducing at the same rate? Yeah. If you could increase the production or at least maintain the production of it, then you will. Slow the deterioration.

Okay, that makes sense. Okay. Now, go ahead. Go, go. So I'm just trying to understand more or less how each one is used uh so and again i know these are blanket statements but like peptides for example if a guy just wants to get absolutely fucking shredded ripped is he on peptides so peptide so if he wants to get shredded ripped probably like human growth hormone is in the mix at some point doesn't have to be so's a cocktail. People are using more than one of these. I would imagine so.

And there's not a specific category for each one? There is, but it gets complicated because people are crossing both of those umbrella terms. So give me the most basic, easy to understand one, and then we'll build on that. Like what is the rudimentary, hey, you want to gain more muscle, you just want to do this, what do you take?

So the simple one about gaining muscle, the process like becoming a quote-unquote anabolic insulin is your most anabolic hormone there is so people are just shooting insulin yeah i mean it's not necessarily the safest way to do it by a orders of magnitude it's it's probably the most if not the most dangerous drug that people take because it's like if your body doesn't have enough available blood glucose to start to store, that insulin is still working. And you actually store a decent amount of blood glucose in your brain. So this is no different than any diabetic that would go into like some sort of coma. You could give yourself a coma by having excess insulin.

Absolutely. Holy shit. If you look at the bodybuilding community, that's not a rampant problem because it is usually hopefully approached with those who partake in that. Yeah. With a certain level of trepidation, a certain level of respect because it can be catastrophic. So insulin, it's its own category. That's the quickest way to get big. Very dangerous.

Very dangerous. Also a peptide. It's a peptide? It's a peptide in its category of its umbrella term yeah gotcha okay peptides word is still out people are starting to dabble in them not people who necessarily want to be jacked but there are some ways where it could uh it's a really new cool frontier on like regenerative medicine it's for regenerative regenerative i can't i've heard that about aging is just cell death and they're getting better at slowing down that's like two of your legs probably why whitney would want to do

it yes right okay this makes more sense and in doing it in i guess small enough doses where you're getting that benefit but it's not affecting these other and then give me the worst case scenario with a peptide again because the worst case scenario with insulin is you go into diabetic coma worst case scenario with peptide is so yeah i mean peptides seeing more towards this recovery anti-aging thing yeah i don't really know okay it's very very new frontier stuff the guy william seeds dr seeds is the head of the peptide society he was said to have cured remember brady cut his hand in the super bowl like i don't know how many years ago okay kind of a low-key thing okay and he got a medical exemption to get treated and he had like a fairly large laceration in his throwing hand i remember oh yeah i think they use some sort of

like electrophoresis with this peptide and got him back like crazy fast like there's been just to give context they do rat studies on this compound called bpc 157 complete purposeful go in cut the rat pcl which the posterior collateral ligament of your knee is your largest ligament of the knee everyone knows about the acl because it gets a lot of press pcl is way bigger they go in and cut it they leave one knee untreated they treat one knee just with the bpc 157 the calibrate for milligrams per gram body weight fucking thing grew back that's crazy the fucking thing grew back that's amazing that's a great it is like but we don't know overdoing bpc 157 we don't know what those side effects look like because we're still kind of in this

new front i'm willing to find out right yeah yeah that makes me the first stop for trial but that rib thing totally blew me away i just wanted to get you on a trip it still hurts what i bruised my rib uh doing what breathing uh breathing no no i don't know getting yelled at no he had some workout for me that chest supported row and he prefaced me with like yo i'm gonna get hurt and i was like yeah everyone tells me you're gonna get hurt he just had like his chest over the end of a end of an incline chair and he was rowing dumbbells we've done this oh yeah yeah i know that one yeah out of commission like like i slipped somehow like bullet from the grassy knoll shit. I just looked back, and I was waiting for blood to come out through his fingers.

I was like, yo, you good? And he was like, he's a soldier. So he was like, I'm good. Muscled through it. And I was like, what? First exercise. Finish the workout. God damn.

What? First exercise. Didn't miss his set. Exactly like I said I would, though. Insulin, peptides, right? Next one. Yeah, yeah. They're under the same thing.

Peptide. Testosterone. Yeah, steroid hormone. So testosterone is a steroid. Right. And it is just increasing this thing that already exists in your body. Right. And the benefit is increase in muscle mass, energy.

So I would break it down in simplest forms i would say it increases like muscle protein synthesis so you still have to work out in order to get that absolutely but you're going to get more return out of that workout than you would get regularly so if i do 20 push-ups without test and i do 20 push-ups with testosterone maybe it feels like i did 40 i don't i wouldn't go i don't want to give the exact numbers i'm just trying to make this digestible for like um i think it allows there's a neurological component to it that goes underlook or sorry overlook so it'll likely allow you to increase your output as well oh it allows me to do more push-ups and do 40 push-ups because i can do 40 push-ups. Because I can now. I can build money. And you can also recover.

And then does it help recover quicker too? That's what muscle protein synthesis is. Gotcha. So I can do more. Right. Because it's giving me more energy and more strength. It might be like a myelination, like a neurological thing. So I'm thinking that I can.

In the way that's transmission. Kind of. So now let's subdivide. This might help. Yeah. Let's subdivide. Real quick, real quick. So the reason why recovery is important in this is because muscle growth is recovery, right?

We just, for the average person, we tear apart the muscle, more or less, basic terms, tear apart the muscle. It regrows stronger. Now I have bigger muscles. Roughly, yeah. Roughly, right? So if we can tear apart the muscle more and it grows back even faster, you're going to get these gains. This is the most kind of right example.

If we can apply more mechanical tension. I think that's how I would be comfortable with that. Okay, so that's testosterone. HGH. Yeah, HGH we kind of discussed earlier. A peptide hormone falls under peptides with insulin with these new experimental gray area research peptides like BPC and all that stuff.

HGH decreases glycolysis, decreases your ability to process carbohydrates over time. Fairly dose dependent it seems. It's a dose dependent in the sense that it's like, okay, there's certain thresholds that we reach at lower doses where physiological processes become more prominent. Then as we increase the doses, we actually start to trigger and reach thresholds of other physiological events right okay so it's like you know if you're taking a lower amount this is usually probably more of the longevity play like if you were to go to a anti-aging clinic all these people go give you a little bit of gh a little bit yeah and then as you go into like the professional bodybuilding world this is when foreheads are

growing this is when the growth hormone is likely starting to assist in the anabolic process right through the mechanism like igf1 this is just my very very peripheral understanding of this stuff okay so gh insulin peptide all of that now the thing the interesting thing to think to break down is the steroid category yeah as steroids get ranked between what's called an anabolic property and an androgenic property okay so anabolic growth right we kind of talked about that with insulin yeah androgenic is like secondary secondary sex characteristics primarily androgynous as you can't tell what sex they are right so androgen is like the biggest thing that people i don't say look for, but we may have actually discussed this in the gym one day, is kind of like this is where like the roid rage thing comes in. There are particular drugs that are more androgenic and that's going to start to promote more of like that secondary sex characteristic.

So like with nails. Not necessarily. More so like aggression. Oh, that's a female trait? No, no, no. male... Not necessarily. More so like aggression. Oh. That's a female trait? No, no, no. Higher androgens would be more... Because these are male hormones, right? These are male predominants. I'm just saying, if you also get titties and you also get smaller

balls and then you're also aggressive, that may be a female... We're turning a... I think that's correlation, not causation. Right? So like highly androgenic. High highly androgenic. Highly androgenic. I think it's turning us into women. It's probably environmental plastics

and environmental estrogens are probably doing that at scale way more than the use of... Also that. Also that. But I think that the female characteristics that are accompanied with... Androgenic, like they're called.

Yeah, the androgenic like they're called yeah the androgenic ones right are are are aggression being unreasonable road rage growing titties and growing smaller balls women have smaller balls the smallest balls none right and they also are aggressive and they you know road rage and they'll yell for no reason so yo you dig your own grave don't i'm just saying and titties and titties it's turning us into a woman but it's called androgenic though androgenic why is it called androgenic it's not androgenic yeah it's not androgenic the first three unreasonable he said androgenic no you said andra androgenic andra andra so i think the big thing to focus on

as far as like when we see these drugs deployed in sports is the that irritability component that that rage component so one of and like i don't want to misquote this but i've heard it circled there's certain boxers who have been known to take highly androgenic drugs that aren't in the moment necessarily going to put on muscle androgenic and anabolic totally different things but they'll get really aggressive if i'm trying to go into a ring and that guy standing between me and like half the pay-per-view probably benefit me if i was on some shit so take that shit right before the fight and then bite someone's ear off maybe what's been said hypothetically if that has ever happened in history and who else will nibble on your ear a lady this guy's making

a lot of just trying to say right now he's as much of a doctor as me and you right now if we're actually trying to have a serious argument here about the effects of testosterone they shrink your balls so you don't even have any anymore you can grow titties um and you are irritable and you get in arguments all the time and you yell at people for no reason if you're trying to tell me cycle oh my god you cycle cycling cycling is super i mean female i think that testosterone turns you into a woman i don't understand why it gives you such big muscles because clearly they have none of those but how does it turn you into a woman? So, I mean, there are side effects when your body like aromatizes the free testosterone in your body.

And this is like a neat, not a neat trick, but it's a trick that the universe kind of plays on that. Like if you have too much. The yin and the yang, bro. Right, that's it. The yin and the yang. There's a balance, a homeostasis, right? It's like kind of like our baseline physiological process it's pretty amazing that at 98.7 degrees fahrenheit you're chilling your core body temperature if you go over 100 degrees we feel real hot you're not doing good

yeah you're at 105 like you're going you're dead ruid or dead small window real small window so it's the same if you start introducing these crazy amounts of hormones in your body right so it's like that uh aromatization phase is basically like there's a process that goes oh you want to play this game we're gonna totally flip the script on you so your body actually converts testosterone to estrogen in the body can i ask you a question because you brought up the plastics right right and there's all these plastics there's plastics that fish are eating plastics and then we're eating the fish so we have all this plastic in our body. There's apparently estrogen in the plastic, so that should be feminizing us a little bit more.

Is that the reason for the civil unrest in the country? Do you think that is? I'm going to get above my pay grade. I'm just saying. So we're all eating too much sushi, and that's why the world's going to— Not sushi. It could be we're using so much plastic. We're drinking plastic bottles of water. We do have to go on date nights, and they tend to serve you in plastic.

They serve you in plastic. The whole country can't get along. I mean, back when we were a masculine country... All of a sudden, nobody's rational anymore. Nobody's willing to listen to reason. Exactly. You're not dragging me into this. Name a time in the history...

You're not dragging me in no fucking way. I'm just saying, you can't name one time in the history of America where we were divided besides now. Not a single one. Not a single one. I can't name one time in the history of America where we were divided besides now. Not a single one. Not a single one. I can't name a single time. We've always been civil. But think what it took.

We've always been civil. Literally civil. That's how we've treated it. Think what it took to drag us into the Civil War. It was actually freeing black people, and now it's Facebook. So that's how much less reasonable we've gotten. It was a big thing. It was a big thing.

Also, what is cotton made out of? Plastic? What? Cotton is plastic can i get a plastic my computer's dead i don't know cotton is a plastic cotton is is a natural plastic a lot of people have even described it that way abraham lincoln and he had diaries he wrote about this is a natural and dry and plastic right For real he did I want to still do steroids, okay? Yeah, Sam. So what what are we doing here? How do we just do the safest amount of steroids? I don't understand why people want Or peptide whatever they fucking

Peptide PD I want to do PDS. I just want the safe amount of PEDs. We can do tons of dangerous things in a safe way. We can jump out of planes in a safe way. Drive cars. We can go skiing. We can drive cars in a safe way. There's all these different ways to do things safe. I would like to do this in a very safe way.

What is the little bit amount where I can do it? I can have vitamin C. I have vitamin C in my pocket. Right. Unregulated. Unregulated vitamin C. Look at that. Palau.

Tylenol. Palau. Give me one. You want one? I got to get my vax today, Unregulated. Unregulated vitamin C. Look at that. Palau. Tylenol. Palau. Oh, give me one. Give me one. You want one? I got to get my vax today, so I got to take these. Ah, dang it. I got to get my second vax.

I'm allowed to take, I'm allowed to get vaccines, but I can't get peptides? Not controlled by the government. What is not controlled by the government? Peptides. Why does the government not want us to be strong? Are they worried they will take over the fucking capital? Why don't they give the military steroids? I don't know if they do, but I know in certain circles

they're looking the other way. But like, why shouldn't... They should be giving them every single time. Yeah, like a chicken on a farm. I mean, give it to Captain America. That shit worked out, right? That skinny fuck wants to be in the army. He's our captain, yo.

Juice, juice, juice. Put him on the juice. Okay, so let's say... No, real talk. Let's stay on the subject here. Us, peptides. Safe amount. how we do this no idea no way well because they haven't been around long enough on the podcast right now i'm taking drugs yeah so we have peptides haven't been around nothing for me to do it what do you mean around long enough to do it i'm today i'm gonna get a

fucking disease injected in my shoulder it's been around for one year i know enough how to dose it safely just start with a little and then just ramp up then we ran about collagen peptides is that the same thing collagen peptides like the stuff you get from whole foods yeah yeah no that's yeah what does that do that that's what does that do he's talking apples and fish bro i've been drinking that i've been drinking it makes my hair super strong and stretchy yeah no what about pre-workout and creatine what does that do what about pre-workout and creatine? What does that do? What about pre-calm? Have you ever tried that?

Which one of these should I talk about? That is pure test right there. That's pure testosterone. What if we just shoot ropes right into our mouth? Yeah. What if we shoot ropes? Is that why gay dudes are so strong? Yes, it is. That's why they're in great shape.

Gay guys are in great shape and so are sluts. Sluts are in great shape. They're taking oral and injecting steroids. To your AIDS pointers earlier They prescribe anabolic steroids To anti-wasting drugs to AIDS patients Wait what was that about AIDS? No no it's just like I'm not talking about other people's cum

I'm telling you we shoot it right up the air Like a fucking Kim Kardashian paper magazine cover And then we catch it right in our mouths It's whatever you do behind closed doors I'll do it right now Okay? I don't give a flying fuck don't hog it I think to your point that's probably a better not a better conversation But like that's a more readily available performance enhancing drug that works with minimal side effects

Yeah, creatine has been around for 30 years in research and that's like but that shit don't make you chiseled It just gets you kind of below this just fills your shit with water you don't look like brad pitt we don't want to look like the strong man we don't want to look like the guy chasing around i don't think brad pitt's breakfast on banging gear though oh get out of here way too small brad pitt's doing something he was doing some shit fight club bro yeah yeah but no definitely not fight club that was geared once upon was geared he was built like benu yada bro he was built like benu yada benu yada is probably on a gear dude oh man he's on the gear jack he's just thin no he's on the gear dude i saw him fucking shooting up gear

dude i saw him fucking take out his needle he shot everyone like the mitchell report he's naming names here he's like jose conseco he was on hgh man he's on hgh he was on an hgh peptide when i saw him dude yeah he was and he was super aggro about it dude he was fucking aggro that guy does not seem like he's ever been aggravated just wait and see just wait and see dude you heard it here first it's the exclusive so wait you say take creatine get some extra lifts out of your workout and then creatine and caffeine whoa whoa whoa what do you mean about caffeine some black this is i think performance enhancing drugs when we start to talk sports the the how do we get sexy the quickest the

elephant in the room with performance enhancing drugs and this is i think inadvertently going to help probably more than any sort of legal illicit drug the performance enhancing drug that i think people need to start talking about in professional sports is adderall is oh that's five minutes is concerta like there's it's set in the end in the nfl or sorry the major league baseball wow fucking nice adderall that's pd that laser that's what i do played the angle off the screen That was incredible That's a 9-11 What is it? He's right here

What is it? 7-11? He's right here 7-10 7-10 split. 7-10 split. Oh, God. Okay, that was a 7-10 split. Yeah, so I think in professional sports, the thing that people aren't talking about is that.

And Adderall being a... Well, I mean, it's a performance-enhancing drug, but it's cognitive. Oh, it's so great. I love it. I mean, you want to talk long-term side effects. mean you are just taking i took the ad i took adderall the other day and fought with my girl dude we had like a long argument and i knew it and she got destroyed bro i was so locked in and focused she's trying to come up for a little argument

so my brain is working a thousand miles per hour dude it was like a beautiful mind i was seeing little fucking algorithms and shit pop up in the sides it's like oh body slam over and over again i believe it yeah it's well i mean so there's in major league baseball it's said to be the three a's alcohol ambient and adderall ambient gets you night night right yeah you need to go night when you're taking meth i gave her some of that the next time we were gonna fight and then that was the best thing ever he's taking the adderall she takes the envy to just yell it out it's just over dude yeah but like that's that i think is where people aren't paying attention to and this is almost becoming a sideshow like i think steroids now like that steroid categorization

of anabolic and androgenic yeah that's kind of old hat i think moving into the peptide route insulin growth hormone much more difficult to test for and now the peptides we don't really know what they are not necessarily we don't know what they are but they're so new that we don't know what to do with them and then i think the frontier further more than that is is looking more to like the nootropic route which is like a very generalized like nutraceutical whole foods term like these are very harsh drugs like they're stimulants essentially like they're literally if you get a prescription in canada for adderall it says on the capsule m amphetamine it's like that's what it's a derivative i mean this is where i'm really stretching on my understanding of this stuff but it is a derivative or very similar to what we would know as math right it's good math

how are those white people so unproductive? The meth heads. Whatever that switch in that compound is that takes you from Adderall to smoking out of light bulbs. It's good meth. It's like Hodgkin's. It's a good Hodgkin's. Right. Yeah, so that's where I think

the performance enhancing world isn't looking. And that's where I think a lot of the benefit is coming from. If I got to hit home runs and this guy is Randy Johnson, 6'9", he's throwing 104 off the mound at 60 feet away, by the time that ball leaves his arm, I got.200 of a second.

So that extra focus is huge. Oh, man. Absolutely. That's limitless, bro. Yeah, you're literally Bradley Cooper. I've heard Adderall feels like the limitless drug. Yeah. Have you never tried Adderall?

I've never tried Adderall. No, I would love it too much. I would do it once a month, and then to the point it's like, this can't be good for me. But I get angry on Adderall. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Agro. He gets androgenic. Agro. I get androgenic. He gets androgenic? Yeah, I get androgenic. His balls shrink up,

and he gets unreasonable. My balls don't shrink up, actually. Really? Yeah, I was looking at my balls. Do you get bloated? No, but no but like no it's just regular balls but my sexual appetite is not very high well your actual appetite is known to go down that also i have to like remind myself to eat set timers i would do that yeah i was taking adderall to get some work done or something yeah you get fucking shredded yeah well yeah but then you're headed down the math then just take math to get

shredded yeah but then your teeth fall out yeah yeah but give me the adderall of hdh give me the adderall of testosterone give me the adderall give me the safe version of it that's it that's that's them oh so now i'm good i'm only gets more the fuck it only gets more dangerous from there yeah i like testosterone is kind of like this very blanket CNN term, like afternoon special Ben Affleck kind of raging out. It's like there are so many more designers. Like if you just look at any banned substance list, right, that's a good place to start. You're going to see like so many chemical compound names that you've never seen before. It's like the lay person who doesn't necessarily have to worry about.

And this is something that when you deal with professional athletes, it's like, hey, this supplement company is sending me this pre-workout and it's like you got to get real familiar with a lot of chemical names because there could be something in there that's on the label or more often the case not on the label like you know you want to make sure that your players are protected yeah they can't just be haphazardly going into taking anything because it's like there it's not just testosterone it's not like the we're coming for your testosterone test like they're working on the stuff like it's the cure for cancer can they test uh can they test for adderall um i don't know because i don't know

the half-life of it as i know like there's like short release or extended release versus not but i don't know if there's any sort of like metabolite or fat storage property to it that would leave it in your system for longer. Right. It'd be interesting. And here's the thing. At the end of the day. I think someone got popped and then they said that they were taking Adderall. So like the Adderall had something else in it or the Adderall elicited some other reaction that they got popped for.

And they were like, no, I take Adderall. That's what it is. Or maybe it was a boner pill. It was in a box that it got popped and it was like, no. pill it wasn't a box that got popped and was like no was it canelo something i do remember this happening canelo and they said it was bad meat or something like that oh yeah the bad thing is hilarious like you're not looking at the absolute best meat for the the guy who's worth 300 million dollars if they every time an athlete gets popped they're dead to rights and but they still they go down swing

go down swinging bro that's your worst you got it worse wasn't me the guy was like yo it was horse meat the other guy at the olympics was saying like oh no i drank like eight beers and like had an orgy with like seven broads like the night before it's like oh you didn't but that's why my testosterone was so high i was laying pipe all night it's like no it's like the there's nothing better than a really bad drug pop excuse yeah you mentioned um creatine and coffee with what caffeine and caffeine caffeine what's that combination for well i mean that's probably if you want to play it not play it safe but like play it above the board and you want to talk like ergogenic aids like performance enhancing drugs in

the sense that you just want to perform better to delay the onset of fatigue and to have more available energy more endurance and more strength in a short period of time those two from research to practical application taking into consideration the safety and long-term health effects which are minimal as long as you don't have a pre-existing condition that's your go-to let's go really's go. Creatine and coffee. Caffeine. Caffeine. Or caffeine. I do like the inclusion of coffee because there is a difference between natural and synthetic caffeine and half-life which a lot of people

kind of mix up and they think the same thing. So like if you take a caffeine pill totally, not totally different in its effect and how it plays out. But go with the coffee. Go with the red.

If you can, yeah. Keep it organic. Okay. Before we let you go, we don't want to take too much of your time jordan why is it we've had this conversation at the gym but i've always fascinated to hear people say these athletes say that they spend millions of dollars a year on their body okay can you break

down the math of how one spends millions of dollars a year on their body lebron i think says he spends 1.5 yeah can you get me to 15? Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. I can invoice you. Yeah, yeah. And honestly, that's part of the conversation. Right. They might be getting overcharged for certain things. Extorted.

Okay. So break that down. How are these athletes getting extorted? What are they doing? Why does he even spend 1.5? What is that? Yes. I mean, it's hard to argue with LeBron's approach, number one.

It works. It works. And he is the healthiest 10-year starter in pro sports history 10 16 i mean tenure in the sense that like he has tenure like he'll just be oh not tenure tenure yeah like he is so spend one and a half sure right he loses one and a half in his couch questions right yeah people are extorting him and can live a good lifestyle his massage therapist and all that great give more power to you because he's so valuable. Sure.

There's a risk involved in taking that on. There's a risk involved in having him because, yo, if he goes down, I'll point the finger at him. Yeah. Who's the strength coach? Who's the massage therapist? Who's his acupuncturist?

Who's this? Who's that? So like people are, and he's really spearheaded. That number is circulated and he's really spearheaded the initiative and kind of getting these guys thinking now about the investments. Like, yo, if I spend one and a half a year what he what was his

contract in la 137 million stupid like that was it gonna be a billionaire if he's not already right so so it's like if you if he can pay out 1.2 and then he can extend his career by seven minutes oh there's your 1.2 there's no question whether it makes sense what i think a lot of people are curious about is how do you spend one point right like just what are the jobs that you're hiring like i mean i don't know like for sure i know he's got just like his own personal strength coach and what would that go for for a year this person travels with you and man depending on what kind of personal relationship he has with them depending on how long he's been with them like a lot of these guys, they'll have a dude from high school.

$100,000? Honestly, whatever. Man, if he's trying to write off shit from his taxes, he'll throw that guy some extra cash. If it's a write-off, it's a business expense. So there's not a real price for it. There's no limit. But it could be anything from low six figures to mid six figures.

I mean, think what you're asking for this guy to do. Travel with you everywhere you go. Everywhere you go, go you're his shadow but you're also building his career and you're going to be lebron's guy and the second you come out the other end of it that's where you're writing a book you do whatever you want yeah so okay so you have your strength and conditioning conditioning coach they're gonna have some massage therapist is almost a guarantee so just a masseuse this guy just massages you or this girl just yeah okay i know and those times those ancillary services are usually like on a fly-in basis i find so they don't travel strength coaches especially when you got a guy like when you're someone's guy especially at the nba where it's

like the strength conditioning culture isn't what it is in the nfl strength condition coach is a position that's a that drives culture in nfl like That's a position where the teams are going to hire for. For 17 weeks, for the guys that I work with in the offseason, for most of them, we're just going to exchange hands with the strength coach in that team. And then for that 17 weeks, they're there. I'll still consult just because you establish kind of a relationship and friends with these guys when you work with them in the offseason.

So for a masseuse, that's usually a fly-in role. Maybe once every two weeks or hey i'm going to be close so fly you in so then you got to pick up the expenses like yo you're going to pay her probably on a salary when you go i want you here this is the whole concierge market i'm paying so that your practice you have all that shit stops when i need you need you go and they'll schedule it out but like yo i went down in the third quarter that bat that bat phone's going off you got to know that like your office is closed the next day and it's also possible a guy like lebron could just have a

24-7 masseuse on call sure okay his point like he's probably not but if you know lesser guys who are trying to emulate this model i find the massage therapist is usually one that they're sourcing in a city or they got something they like and they fly in how much you think just just sean watson paid for a massage coach? Son, if you're paying six figures, I'm getting the ancillary service you're talking about. He's about to pay a lot. I'll tell you that much.

Okay. So we've got strength coach, massage therapist, physical therapist or chiropractor, probably another ancillary service. They probably stick with the team. Nutritionist is probably going to be where they spend a decent amount of coin. Personal chef. Personal chef.

And that's usually going to be one thing okay nutritionist and personal chef one thing usually it can't be two and they just coincide as a as a unit like that's going to be something where they're running blood work they're kind of seeing where your deficiency oh shit okay optimization we're talking six million dollar man here 137 million dollars yeah right so it's like they're going all in and that becomes a logistical expense. You need to get his food sourced, cooked, prepped, ready in his face when he's got to be somewhere.

So those are the big ones that oftentimes that they'll hit. What about Cairo physical therapists? Oftentimes sourced by the team depending on what the player's viewpoint is around those services, they might have their own guy. And I think this is where the tab

gets expensive, is by having so many people, so many cooks in the kitchen. That don't have crossover. They don't have crossover. Whereas like, somebody hires you, you are strength and conditioning, you are Cairo,

you are nutritionist. For some guys, yeah, I'll take over the nutrition as well I work with a guy masseuse it kind of falls in the manual therapy stop biting your bottom lip please he kind of gave me that good word therapy thing but yeah so it's like and here's the thing and this is kind of like when I speak with prospective athletes about like working into a season it's there's you can be 70 percent like say the say lebron's guys are 100 the best in the world the best strength coach the best chiro the best masseuse the best nutritionist the best chef whatever but if there's no interconnectivity between these these moving

parts if the input doesn't talk to the output like if i don't know that we're going to have like a purposeful overreach in his training this week and i'm the chef and he's still getting i don't know 3 300 calories it's like that those have to match you can have the best you can have you know bobby flay or whoever the fuck is his chef and you can have i don't know i'm sure his guy is good yeah you're not even working out this week but we're still feeding you like you're working out that's a problem right or no like we're you we're working out crazy and we're feeding you like you're not a bigger problem right either one yeah we're you we're working out crazy and we're feeding you like you're not bigger problem right either one yeah right so like inputs and outputs need to be

managed and this is where like then all of a sudden you can have like you have a data scientist right you could have a data scientist on staff like hey we're gonna monitor your gps we're gonna hook you up while you play which is a really common practice yeah like how many miles did you run this game right what was... If this team stretches out your career one year, you've made 100% return on your investment.

Oh, without a doubt. Because if you're spending a million a year for 12 years, right, and you're making 30 million a year or 24 million a year

or whatever the fuck he is, and you just get one more 24 million, you've paid everybody and you've made double the money. But there's a flip side of that okay what if you get hurt well the idea is guaranteed in the nba though so

yeah but well this is a really interesting conversation that's really topical right now because you guys familiar with joan james no joan james plays for the denver broncos now he's out 10 million dollars because he's tore his achilles in the non uh a non-authorized facility oh yeah which is y'all like you know that's kind of what i do right like i work with guys and it's like i don't work for an nfl team yeah but i work in the off season it's like they're your property of a team they have your rights and they can trade you and all that shit but you're not getting paid yeah you get paid once that first once you flip the coin now you're starting to get paid yeah right so it's like once you report to camp or you go to otas they're gonna start throwing you some scratch but you're well that's a you problem so coin, now you're starting to get paid. Yeah. Right? So it's like once you report to camp

or you go to OTAs, they're going to start throwing you some scratch. But that's a you problem. So it's like you got athletes that are trying to train in the off season to improve their skill, improve their craft, to buy for a new position,

to put up better numbers, to get bigger contracts. They want to have someone procure this for them and take care of this for them. They know like, yo, I'm good at catching the ball. I'm good at running the ball. I'm going to run in the ball.

I'm going to tackle guys. I'm like a strength and conditioning coach. I'm going to hire one. And now all of a sudden you hire this dude and accidents happen. We know that. And hopefully it wasn't any sort of malice or ignorance that led to that injury.

But you got a guy right now that's not going to make 10. There was an internal memo that went out. I got my hands on it last week through the players association warning players like look you're going to assume this risk and john's probably going to be out 10 million dollars next year because they're not going to pay for him because he was injured and then not training in their facility they're doing voluntary involuntary otas or voluntary otas which is like yeah that's kind of fucked up because if he just comes back into camp completely out of shape

they're going to be like yo yo, you're not in shape. And we might not even pay. There might be some contractual obligation for how much you have to weigh when you come to camp. I know a lot of the bigger guys have that. Or you might just get cut. So, okay, if you don't work out in our shit and you get injured, we're not going to pay you. If you come here and you're not on weigh, we're not going to pay you. There's a lot of caveats to not get paid.

And this is where European sports do it right, like soccer primarily. They just own raw material from distribution. Like you're some kid from Ivory Coast that shows promise at the age of seven. It's like, yo, you come with us. Where those two entities right now are separate. Like we have HOA, but HOA isn't a football team. But we can take kids from high school and bring them into combine, take them through the combine,

through college, into the league. Yeah. But it's almost like this changing of hands where in Europe, they're like, no, no, no.

This is FC Barcelona. This is FC Barcelona when you're six. This is FC Barcelona when you're 20 and you're making, and we, this is our investment.

We're seeding this investment by having, putting you through school. We have a school here. Here, go to school. But also recesses soccer. So that's kind of the thing with the States. And it's no different than what was going on in the UFC.

You guys were talking about this a few weeks ago. It's like, what do the fighters that fill up the cards that aren't good self-promoters, what is their tax on those who are? And it becomes a numbers game and dude every owner in the nfl is just playing that numbers game yeah right it's like because you got these kids going into the draft every year pushing 40 times lower pushing 220 benches higher pushing broad jumps further verticals higher and it's just like oh they don't even know not that they don't know names and i'm sure some nba or some nfl owners

are super diligent and care but at the end of the day it's like yeah you're gonna pay yeah they're making m's but these guys are billionaires yeah right there's another guy waiting for jawan james his job and at the end of the day that that piece on the board is filled for that owner yeah you don't care man why would you change it before you leave who is the greatest athlete you've ever worked with i wanted to ask that and who's the one athlete you've ever worked with? I wanted to ask that. Alex, stop. Who's the one that, like, when you said whenever we got hard, you're like, we're going to drop the hammer.

Who's the one that, like, drops the hammer every fucking time? Don't even have to worry about it. This guy's a dog. Yeah. I mean, it comes down. It's hard to call because you don't want to pick favorites, right? Like, it would come down to. It would come down.

Second to Brandon Marshall. Brandon Marshall, number one. Right. So we're going to shout it out to the boss. So there's different categories of athleticism, right? Right. So it's hard because there's what you see and like what's given to you. So this idea of epigenetics.

I know I'm being super evasive to try and avoid picking just one. But there are some. Give us your top five. I'll give you my top five athletes of all time and take the personal away from it. Okay, good. Pre Fontaine. Ooh. Mid-distance runner.

That's here. That's the athleticism. Yeah. He's, you know what? He's Akash to the nth degree. All heart. Okay. This guy, he's laying out for it.

Akash is like, he literally literally like i'll hear him say like yo don't be a bitch yeah like to himself i'm like does akash empty the tank the most anyone here yeah he's got the most approved yo in my dms because we put up a poll we went to the people everybody said akash everyone and not even that people followed up like idm's like yo akash for sure he's got more to prove akash is laying out 100 akash akash yeah so it's a little guy story but it's love it pre-fontaine for sure really but he never won at the biggest level dude to to because my biggest thing is like the passion that he pursued that with right like the best pace is a suicide pace and today feels like a good day to die yeah that's fine you're. You're running on a, you're doing foot NASCAR.

Like what are you talking about? That's amazing. To be able to be like, yo, you're going to beat me, but you're going to have to bleed to do it. Yeah. That's what I'm after. Do any of these guys train the mental?

Like do they do meditation and hire psychologists? Oh, that's a huge part of it. Let's get into it now. One of the big things that health, like at House of Athlete on Wednesdays, no one's really training. And that's a cool thing that Brandon's done.

So like shout out House of Athlete and Brandon Marshall. They literally do like mental fitness classes where they'll do group sessions. Like therapy is a big part of what they do. Sports psychology is huge. That's massive. Yeah. And I mean you see it at the Olympic level. Like Norway usually comes in out of the woodwork in the Winter Olympics and just waxes everyone.

They send the most amount of sports psychologists out of any other country. Any other country for any other, whether it's summer or winter. They're just coming out. That's huge. The mental aspect is huge, which is for me and why I think pre is my favorite is because that's what I value in athletics. When I see someone who's like,

yo, I want to take it there. Yeah, that's what I want. Because there's an epigenetic which like epigenetics is this word that basically means like your your genetic makeup your height your weight your propensity to put on muscle your coordination all of this that's a bullet in the chamber but your training pulls the trigger now there's some people that are all triggered that have no god-given like a mugsy bones it's like yo you're five six yeah and he's still getting up like that's what five three was he five three yeah that's amazing to me because that's like that's a here thing yeah right so but like there's some people the epigenetic expression of like just their makeup like i would

put christian mccaffrey up there oh wow and here's and but here's why right so christian was in my first year at stanford christian was there and i think it was his draft year and christian if i'm not mistaken hit 10 reps on the 225 bench some people value strength as as paramount in athleticism and they would look at that and be like yo you're entering into the league you're coming in with a 225 for 10 bench and like there weren't great reps. Watch that guy on a track. You watch him bound and doing some single leg work.

He's a fucking gazelle, right? And his acuity for the game, the ability to navigate these spaces and like avoid people. And like he's just so, so that aspect of athleticism. So in a lot of ways like his dad was a beast too yeah crazy but that's that's the epigenetic thing right so there's there's a bullet

in that chamber yeah someone's pulling the trigger okay that's the perfect storm so those two um lance lance pain if any idea how painful what he did is. Yeah. Like any idea. Losing that nut or what? Well, not even that. Obviously, the fact like we go on the, you guys were bitching about the assault bike earlier. Yeah. Five minutes.

Yeah. This guy is fucking. Yeah. What? He has gears. He has gears. He also took the gear. Switch the gear down.

Make it easier. Pedal. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Dude. So here's the thing like and there's wind cyclists cyclists are like the og like before fuck baseball cyclists dude there was a guy back in like the the 80s or 90s name was bjorn reese he was blood doping so hard that his hematocrit was well over 60 the equivalent of like having ketchup in your veins his blood was so thick to carry so much oxygen to be that much more efficient like to give context most people

males uh hematocrit levels are at 48 so it's essentially your oxygen carrying capacity the amount of red blood cells you have in your plasma so it's like 48 of your blood is for most people for most males yeah red blood cells that carry oxygen yeah so it's like well of your blood is for most people for most males yeah red blood cells that carry oxygen yeah so it's like well if we had more of those we could carry more oxygen and we could probably go further this guy just doped it and brought it up to 60 60 percent and i do which is insane like the guy and when you're light on blood what happens are you more irritable like um no i mean you're just way less efficient like you're inefficient at carrying oxygen i know exactly where you're going with this like look at that oh man i'm not i'm not if you happen to

like lose blood for five days consequence but just make just putting that out there it's not a big deal they're the opposite of doping like if you're on a bike trip and they're losing blood i mean this is the you know they're bloodletting they're letting yeah they're letting it it's like having leeches it is yeah lance armstrong they can take pain though right but but lance armstrong can handle pain okay so right now wait the pain is cycling or the blood doping or both the cycling the cycling well if anything and here's an interesting thing to think about first of all i love this that they're all white guys so far. This is amazing.

There's hope. There's hope for us as athletes. There's hope. Well, I think Tyson is going to be on the way. Okay. Tyson? Tyson, kind of going back to the mental side. Yeah.

Like the fact that he could, and I totally believe this, beat his opponent before the bell ever rang. Yeah. And then when he looks across and they break eye contact. No, maybe here's my Tyson moment. I forget who he was fighting. When he came out with the hotel towel on we cut the hole in the hotel towel do you remember that oh yeah that to me because that's that's the reduced essence of sport yeah and then it's in a sport that is so overrun especially now with like extravagance

logan or the fuck is the other guy yeah and then this yeah it's getting crazy but this is the reduced essence of like when he had that quote it's like i'm gonna eat your children yeah remember that yeah yeah yeah against lennox lewis that's amazing so who do we got we got mcafree pre lance tyson gotta go bolt i think hussein man well so here's bolt is always an interesting thing to me because he is such uh like a functional anatomy and biomechanical anomaly right because he's so tall and his ability to go just straight rather than side is that we were talking about this last night right if you look at the world record sprinters prior to when bolt came around and asafa powell is pretty tall as far as printers go he's He's like 6'3".

But the last 25 world records. 5'10", 5'11". Yeah, because it's a good balance of being stable and also having a decent stride length, right? If I'm shorter, I have less deviation of a center of mass. I'm super stable, but my stride length might not be that big. But if I'm super tall, like if I'm on Taco Fall, I'm coming in at like 7'5".

Yeah, I'm wobbling all over the place. I'm wobbling all over the place, right? So it's like if performance existed in a vacuum, Taco Fall, 100 meters, gold medal all day, no one in the universe could touch him. You run it like 14 steps. Yeah. Even Bolt at 6'5", runs 41 strides in 100 meters, right? And most people are running 44, 45.

He's able to maximize that stride. Like he's not moving side to side, which is a crazy thing. Most tall guys, we start to shift laterally as they run right where he can keep it on the track and even i think more impressive than his 100 958 is his 219 19 right because he's got to go around that bank track where now that displacement of that center of mass cross that greater distance he's on one leg is much more difficult to withstand so when he comes out of that like that corner like fucking paludega knights and he just slingshots past everyone that to me is probably from a pure like um force production standpoint his ability to create tremendous

amounts of like ground contact unparalleled i think we'll never see an athlete in that in that subsection of athleticism we'll never see an athlete in that in that subsection of athleticism we'll never see an athlete like him again in our life okay well before you go we have um a little something for you oh goodness you know how far how far okay we have a little something for you because we're so grateful that you've been helping us work out and achieve our athletic dreams down here in Miami. We know that you're leaving soon. We're obviously leaving soon. I hope it's the right thing, to be honest.

We want to get to the right thing. On to receiving gifts. Let's see what we got. We know that... I'm looking at facial expressions. We're doing a little unboxing. I'm going to murder. Oh, shit.

We're doing a little unboxing here. Let's see stop it yeah come on guys yeah can i be like that 11 year old kid okay like unbox this shit on youtube yeah exactly yeah you gotta be like the science teacher that starts crying these are dope sick right you know me well thank you you. Fake from China. Wifey helped. Yeah, fake from China, dude. I got you. Oh, Tess was in on this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I DM your girl. This is actually Akash's idea, but we're all going to take credit for it. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Thank you. You're welcome, man. Now, Jordan, please tell them where they can find you. Thank you so much for coming on.

We're all very grateful. Thank you so much for taking us out and just exercising us and helping our mental health as well as our physical health. So tell them, everybody, where they can find you, man. Yeah, Instagram is probably like the best place to find me. It's at the underscore muscle underscore doc. Podcasts, iTunes, Spotify, RX Radio, RX apostrophe D radio. rx apostrophe d um radio and then uh the company i own that teaches applied biomechanics and functional anatomy is prescript.com pre-script.com and hoa of course oh yeah uh so yeah we do or i'm up at uh house of athlete in weston um usually like one week out of the month i'm down here in

florida moving forward so i'll be there if you guys ever need anything in person the muscle doc the muscle doc man go, go check out Jordan. And, uh, thank you so much, my brother. Appreciate it. Peace.