Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Tim Dillon FIRED Whoopi Goldberg

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

0:00 - start 1:00 - The View and Whoopi Goldberg 12:30 - Is SNL DEAD? 18:30 - Chinese Social Credit Score in the US? 27:00 - the real reason they’re silencing Rogan 55:00 - Andrew embarrassed by the USA 1:14:00 - are internet communities enough for Americans? Flagrant 2 is a comedy podcast that delivers unfiltered, unapologetic, and unruly hot takes directly to your dome piece. In an era dictated by political correctness, hosts Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh, along with AlexxMedia and Mark Gagnon, could care less about sensitivities. If it’s funny and flagrant it flies. If you are sensitive this podcast is not for you. But if you miss the days of comedians actually being funny instead of preaching to a quire then welcome to The Flagrancy. Join the Patreon Asshole Army: http://bit.ly/2xQwHYf #Flagrant2 #AndrewSchulz #AkaashSingh

What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flagrant 2. It's your boy, Schultz. I'm here with Aakash Singh, Mark Gagnon, Alex Media. We got Miles Media. We got the Truffle. And then we have a very special guest. He is here for a reason.

Trouble is a brewing on... Trouble is a brewing in daytime TV, and we need to bring in our daytime TV expert. Yes. Okay, an expert in many other fields. I usually can't compliment comics when they come on because they start to fall apart.

Like, I almost have to tease them. Right. But I feel like you could handle compliments. Not only can I handle them, I require a few. You require a few?

Okay, so let me stack. Just feel good. Okay, I think you, if you're listening right now, you could probably hear the voice. Yeah. This is a familiar voice

on the internet. Distinct. We have our daytime TV expert, an expert in many other things, but right now, if we're talking on the internet. Distinct. We have our daytime TV expert, an expert in many other things. But right now, if we're talking about The View. Yeah. Also our Jew expert. Huge.

Huge. Love some Jews. Love some of them. Some Jews. Some Jews I love. There are some of all that are great. There's some of, you know, some things are good. You know. And i know the view

you know the view we have tim dylan here hey thank you i heard you put the call in to get whoopi out of there i did i because i wanted her to take a time out and have a think and i wanted her replaced with rosanne. Bring back Roseanne. Right. How about that? Who is Jewish? Okay. And then that's a nice trade-off.

Wait, is she Jewish? Roseanne is very Jewish. So she's been moonlighting as this Midwestern housewife this whole time. Yeah, but she's like super into Israel, super Jewish. Oh my God. So we get Whoopi out. Okay. Take a chill pill.

Take a break. Read the Torah. So we get Whoopi out. Okay. Take a chill pill. Take a break. Read the Torah. Whatever you have to do. Go to a few bagel shops. Listen to people. Is that the atonement? Do some listening. Little locks.

Locks and listening tour. And then bring Roseanne in, who's criminally insane, but Jewish and fun. Yeah. And she'll go on about QAnon and stuff like that. And it'll just make it a fun show for two weeks. So we fix the show.

That's how to fix it. That's your goal. Well, the real way to fix the show is to destroy it. This seems to be your solution with most things. Most things do need to go. The view is one of the worst. First of all, when I grew up,

daytime TV was about like seasonal cupcake recipes. Yeah, yeah. Why are we doing the Holocaust at 11 a.m.? It's 11 in the morning. Why are we doing the Holocaust? Calm down.

Daytime TV is for people that get into the day, ease into the day. A little coffee, get to toast out. You know, we don't need to be doing genocide early. Like, relax. It's gotten crazy now. Do you think it is wild that she was suspended?

Yeah, I'm against all of that. I don't want anyone suspended. It's stupid. I hated school as a kid yeah because i i don't like that kind of authority which to me didn't make any sense you drive a camry you're dumb and yet you're in charge of me yes that these are the teachers i mean yeah yeah and not all of them but many of them drove cameras yeah and i't want, I didn't understand why that person told you what to believe or what to think. And it was authority that didn't make sense in the same way that like. You prefer they be more wealthy.

And then they could tell you. Well, I prefer that like if somebody is teaching you something, I want them to care about it. Yeah. Or know about it or have some experience with it. Yeah. Not just this is their punch the clock. Yeah. Yeah. Nine to five job.

Who cares? Yeah. That being said. Yet you do a podcast. Yeah. All we do is pretend we know shit we don't. Well, no. I know it.

You know? I know it. I know everything. And because there's nothing to know so that's the reality there's actually nothing to know so when in a world where you've accepted there's nothing to know you actually know everything interesting but i don't like that kind of authority where they go take a time out for two weeks fire her either fire her yeah or let her go back to work what she said was either so egregious you're

gonna get rid of her or keep her this fake thing who is this for to throw her out for two weeks what an arbitrary thing that i don't like are jews a race and where do you rank them in your top five? Oh. Interesting. I like the things they do. Uh-huh. I like, you know what I mean? Didn't think you were going to take it seriously, but I'm more entertained. Absolutely. Yeah.

I love the food, the deli culture. Yeah. The breakfast. Yes. All of that. I'm into that smoked meat, smoked fish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the money system.

I enjoy it, you know? I do enjoy it. i like it because i have money now when i didn't i was a little angry like those pieces a little angry at them now i'm like oh it's fine deposits go in things come out it makes sense i get it interest is nice yeah yeah um but they're very funny yes they're i feel about them the way i feel about long island it's a necessary uh but obnoxious part of life like me if people say anything about me it's kind of like would that would be kind of maybe what they would say like we like him but it's a lot and not all the time when you left new york for the first time yeah did uh when you left new york for the first time did you realize how influenced by

jews you were well sure i think so but i knew that because i grew up in long island i grew up catching complaining yeah uh i i think i realized how how comedy good comedy was very influenced by jews right like really good comedy because it's like funny complaining. Yeah. Good comedy is like funny complaining, right? Somebody who's talking shit and it's funny. It's the only problem with woke culture.

Yeah. It's not funny. If it was funny, it would just be funny complaining. Yeah. It's also boring because it's not funny. That's right.

Exactly. Just make it funny. If it's funny, it's inherently not boring. It can't be funny because funny if it's gonna be okay with it inherently not boring it can't be funny because funny means somebody's got to get upset yeah you have to hurt someone somebody's got there's no victimless humor somebody's got to get yeah and in woke culture the goal is for nobody to get upset which is an unsustainable way to live yeah and to communicate

yeah you can't communicate in a funny way i mean you could communicate like on a plane if they go hey everybody you know he you know we are at 38 7 000 feet yeah you know when the turbulence lights off you can use the bath like that type of communication you could do without anybody go what the hell is but yeah when you're trying to be funny yeah somebody's got to get rubbed the wrong way yeah a little bit yeah it has to more a lot of it or a lot of it yeah yeah 100 okay uh fuck mary kill okay uh jews no racist eric weinstein brett weinstein harvey weinstein oh interesting that's pretty and you fuck you fuck Harvey or Harvey fucks you? Eric hates me.

He doesn't hate me now, but Eric, so to torture him, I would marry him. Yeah, I would torture him. Torture, okay, yeah, yeah. Kill Brett Weinstein. Okay, why? No real reason, just because I'm, but I'm going to fuck Harvey

because I want a role in Hollywood. Ah. Because that's, I think that's how Gwyneth Paltrow got her first role as Emma.

Is that true? I believe, I don't know if that's a fact. I thought it was Shakespeare in Love. Well, I know that they all

fucked him to get parts. Seven was before Shakespeare in Love. Okay, maybe. Apparently Brad Pitt almost beat Weinstein's ass because he was inappropriate well i know that they all fucked him yeah to get parts yeah seven was before shakespeare in love okay maybe apparently brad pitt almost beat wine scenes ass because he was inappropriate with uh wine with paltrow okay maybe it wasn't but a lot of those some people might have fucked him had to play ball consensually oh absolutely right to get the work yes which is not good consensually but well it is consensual yeah if you want a thing yeah and

i'm fucking you to get the thing yeah that's a consensual act to consent as long as he's not holding that thing over your head he's allowed to hold it over you it's still not it's still consensual if you do it because there's other ways to get the thing and you don't need the thing well the thing isn't air or water it's a role in a hollywood movie okay hypothetically speaking no one's saying he's doing the right thing hypothetically speaking what if he goes hey if you don't fuck me you're not only not going to get this role you're not going to get any roles well then you would then have to make a choice and either fuck him or become a singer or go do something else but if you fuck him, is that rape?

If he applies that level of coercion. Yeah. I don't know if it's rape. I don't like that word for that. For that, I don't know. I think he's a piece of shit. Yeah. He's a scumbag.

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I just don't know if it's non-consensual sex. I think it's coercion. Yeah. And it might be, there's all kinds of other things it could be and would be okay so then you would definitely fuck him yeah to get ahead yeah yeah to get ahead or at least have a story what role would you want is your patreon not big enough nothing's nothing's big enough nothing's enough nothing's enough fill the coffers yeah okay so you're about to go have a talk with alec baldwin

alec baldwin dm me on instagram and he wants me to do his podcast and i was like absolutely i'm honored i can't wait till you find out it's steven baldwin that it's very interesting because he's i'm gonna get a call from you later today it's gonna be you and fucking steven baldwin it's actually what's interesting is like he's had issues in the past couple of months. Who, Alec? Well, you shot the woman. Oh yeah. On the set. Yeah. And it was an accident.

Was it? This is what I am understood to believe. Yes. But do you believe it? Yeah, I don't think he would shoot. Somebody told me to go, I think he did it to see what it feels like to take a human life.

Yeah. I would like to not believe that. Yeah. But it's interesting. There's clearly nobody on his team that wants him to do a podcast i literally forgot there's no way you could forget who said no but i do forget somebody said that i think it would be that he would just try to see like at this point in his life he's like i've done it all yeah yeah what does this feel like yeah i want to come after yeah do i feel sad uh there's no way anyone on his team is jazzed about him doing a podcast right did you say that i didn't say no i would have said i said it tim

it might have been yannis i forgot i don't know what it was i would i would have admitted i said it but there's no one on his team that's jazzed about him doing a podcast i can imagine right now this is not the time yeah for the podcast yeah but he wants me to come on so i'm like honored and i said because he's a legend i've grown up watching him right legends a lot well new york legend new york beetlejuice and then that's it he's a new york legend in the same well i must looked up to fucking Alec Baldwin Glenn Gary Glenn Ross he was great stop it he was great

more like a New York staple but not legend I didn't even see him as a New Yorker Glenn Gary Glenn Ross was also in a movie oh I thought there was a play

it was both it was a movie it was a great movie listen the dude you can't you all seen this movie The Shadow

The Shadow yeah I mean he's not Anthony Hopkins. He's not Daniel Day-Lewis. Yeah. We get it. Cucks. Yeah.

He's not Denzel Washington. Yeah. But he's next tier. No? No. You don't think so? He's more famous than he is actually has good movies. For some reason, he's always been famous and his movies have him.

Beetlejuice. He's had a few good ones. Phenomenal in Beetlejuice. But he's- Great movie. Downhill. But isn't the voicemail of him calling his daughter a pig more entertaining than many movies?

For sure. Have you seen The Donner? That's better than most films. Oh, no. Don't. I mean, I don't. I've never seen The Donner. Fuck, marry, kill.

No, don't do this. You're not allowed to do this. Alec Baldwin. Okay, maybe not a legend, but he's a fixture. I mean, whatever you want to say, right? Fixture is a great word. Okay. He's a fixture. It's wild that he. Fixture is a great word. He's a fixture. It's wild that he wants me to come in and talk to him.

Just say he's on SNL and you want to destroy everything about SNL. Just say the truth. You can't destroy the destroyed. You are fighting. It's over? It's over. Okay. It's over.

I think. Okay. Am I wrong? It could come back i don't think it's over because i think they can still have cultural pops sure here's what i mean if you're on snl right now yeah you have to tell people you're on snl like if you go to out to dinner with somebody they go what do you do for a living you have to go i'm on snl rock farley sandler never had to do that what i what i mean is that yeah as a as a cultural monolith yes like it's over the yeah this the people that are on the show media are no longer superstars

the medium is over it's changed he's over yeah snl you you almost have to look at like um an appearance on uh carson so like yeah if the actor was more famous than Carson, that was just this massive moment. Right. So the actor, the celebrity that's going on SNL has to be more famous than SNL. Right. If you have the guy who is in Shang-Chi, right? Who's a fucking great actor, fun guy, sure.

But if people don't actually know him enough, nobody's going to watch the episode. But if you have Kanye, the world stops. That's big. You got Kardashian, the world stops.'s big you got kardashian the world's not to get people talk about it you gotta get now they have to worry more about casting than they ever have that's right and maybe it's because they're not making their guys stars well it's hard it's the medium right the medium is tough the medium i think i think i'm gonna

blame it on that there's other things but i think what do you mean by the medium tv television appointment television but that's not even we never watched snl like that we always watch the clips you also said this when 10 000 youtubers can beat you to a sketch that you gotta wait to put out saturday and that's what i mean like doing something once a week when comedy is so quick and so like that to me is hard it's hard to do we had to wait for snl back in the day now you do not have to at all yeah so now that they're yeah now they're making the joke last it's just also not maybe not enough content like to get for any one person to pop so for any one person to get famous maybe they do a sketch or two a week on that show that may not be enough now the demands of things

are so that you have to keep feeding the beast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe. Yeah, that makes sense. Again, these are all perhaps things. Like, I can't tell you why. To his point, the last breakout stars I can think of, Sudeikis and Wig, Kristen Wig. And that was around about the time that we stopped watching TV so much. Yeah, I mean, Pete. Pete, yeah, Pete is a fucking star.

But he also is a star beyond SNL for fucking everybody. Yeah, it's almost like the things outside of SNL have made him bigger. I think SNL still does some very funny stuff. Yeah, so i don't think it's a content issue it's just i don't think it's i think it's the medium i just think it's much harder to be on tv once a week and have the relevance that you would have now that the world is splintered into a million different you know internet realities when you're hanging it at these like uh global elite gatherings that you often hang out absolutely and do you ever bump into like a lauren michaels no i've never been in a place where he would be i maybe i've been in places would you check him no i mean check him

would you walk up and check him be like yo like like would i fight him if that's what that means to you yes i would physically fight him. No, I think Lorne Michaels is a legend. I have no problem with Lorne Michaels. I don't... Who would you check? I want to know Tim Dillon's checklist. You see that motherfucker on the streets, it's on and popping. No, I don't really have a problem with too many people.

You don't? Yeah, I mean, they may have a problem with me. Here's the thing. The things i say right people get angry at me i don't i'm not angry they may be angry at me i see so i'm not angry at anybody like i say the things that are true right people may not like that right and that may anger them the governor of california may be mad at me but that's i have no problem with him i think he's doing a horrible job i think he's a horrible person yeah i think he's destroying

one of the greatest states in the union right but if i saw him at a party i'd go how are you oh and we'd have a nice little talk i might go why are you doing this i might ask him like why are you destroying the state is someone paying you to do it like i'd be kidding but who's paying him who knows well who do you think um i think that there's a movement uh right now that's happening that's behind the scenes i don't know who is really at the some people say it's china some people say it's this group of, you know, elite transnational, meaning that they don't care about any particular country, billionaires. I think there's a movement of people

to push through certain policies and people like Newsom and people in positions of power have to go along with that movement or they have to face the consequences to some degree um and i i think that it's hard to say who is behind it or not behind it but there is you know when they write these articles like in 2030 you will own nothing and be happy there's an article written saying the future is not you owning a car and a house it's everything is going to be shared and you're going to love that

and that's going to be good that's someone's idea right that's someone's that's someone's um policy that they want down the road to be enacted they want that so they have to tap certain people certain people have to either get behind it or or not be in the way of it but that's someone's idea um just like a surveillance state is someone's idea the idea that we should be able to read your emails and listen to your phone and if you're going somewhere we should be able to know where that is and you should be tracked or maybe you'll have a social credit score yeah in china they have a credit score where it's you know your entirety of your life experience is judged and then logged and and all of that that's an idea

and it comes from somewhere and it's hard to say where it comes from or or who's promoting it at any given point but you can certainly see you see it happening and during covid i think you saw a lot of it starting to happen the social credit score thing is interesting don't you think we have our own forms of that yeah all right guys we're gonna take a break for a second because listen, there's nothing worse than being baked out of your mind as you didn't plan on it. And you know, once you eat it, that there is no going back. And that's why we need the perfect medium high. And what's going to bring the perfect medium high? Well, diet smoke. Okay. They have these delicious Delta eight THC gummies.

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Don't you think we have our own forms of that? Yeah. Like, isn't that what social media is? To a degree. somebody has a blue check and all of a sudden they're more important their dms get open quicker that might be a clout score but yeah if clout is currency here then that is cloud can't get you a mortgage so the big difference would be how can it not um they're gonna look at documents and financial statements well it won't prevent you from getting more if you have a lot of money but cloud can get So the big difference would be they're going to look at documents and financial statements. It won't prevent you from getting more. If you have a lot of money.

But clout can get you money and money can get you a mortgage. Yes, but in a way that is, I think, okay. The idea of clout making you money is fine. A social credit score in China can't get you a mortgage. They can deny you a mortgage, absolutely. They can deny you one, but they can deny you one so they can't get you one if you don't have your lack of blue check doesn't prevent you from getting a car loan that's the difference right now that's the meaningful what i would say is that if you potentially had a blue check or clout in other areas you could have access to money and then

get that yeah but see that so that's reverse engineering that's okay i don't have a problem with that right that's fine it's the other side it's if we say you can That's okay. I don't have a problem with that. Right. That's fine. It's the other side. If we say you can't have this, I don't have a problem with can. Can is great. Whatever you can use to your benefit to get whatever you're going to get. If it's ethical and legal and you're not hurting anyone else, fine. It's when governments prevent you from doing certain things because of maybe your online activity the things you've said or believe right that is the social credit score idea that's what i have an issue and you think

we're headed for that yes yeah i think so because i think that the the population and you saw it with covid how easy was it to get people to rat on each other 1200 how easy was it to get people to call the cops on 14 year old kids skateboarding up the block. How easy was it to get people to call the cops on 14-year-old kids skateboarding up the block? Right. How easy was it? As long as someone's convinced they're doing the morally right thing,

they will absolutely become a Nazi and they don't care. And I'm not saying they were the equivalent to the Nazis, but people will absolutely dime on each other

if they feel like it's for the purposes of altruism. Like, they're in the right. They're doing the right thing. I don't know if they do it for the purposes of altruism. Like they're in the right. I don't know if they do it for the purpose of altruism. I think that these are people who are more or less powerless, and then we gave them a little power. And then we allowed them to be virtuous with that power. Well, some of these people were not powerless.

Some of these people were multimillionaires, Hollywood celebrities. So they weren't really powerless. I'm talking about the lady that comes up to you on the street and goes, put your mask over your nose. Sure. Right? Like these people have no power. They have no control in their lives. And all of a sudden, someone gave them a big fucking stick.

Right. And they can walk around saving the world. And saving the world is just enough to get them over the monumental inconvenience that they're putting on another fucking human being. So that's what the social credit score would be. I think it would be giving everyone the ability to save the world all the time. And if it is parallel thinking yeah we would immediately fall victim to it sure because we've been doing it already you see it already with yelp you see it with airbnb you see it with uber the ratings we all rate each other

all the time right that's what i was kind of going with the social media yeah yeah but exactly with uber it's like we can't wait to rate you i wonder if just our system maybe their system is a reflection of of ours. Like we just have the free market create that system. I think that we're constantly, that's right, we're constantly rating, constantly looking at someone's fucking outfit.

There's a whole show on E about how shitty somebody dresses. Like this social rating. I think what's scary to me is that in order to compete with China, I think there's an element of the US ruling class that believes we should become China. In order to,

we don't want them exporting all this technology to the world that's like surveillance technology in nature. So what we want to do is we want to master the automation and the AI so that we export it to the world. And what scares me about that is that essentially we're then adopting more kind of, you know, kind of more draconian, totalitarian type of policies that you see in China that you may start seeing here, which I wouldn't love. You know what's funny is you tell me that we're going to become China, and I'm like, get the fuck out of here. But if you want to tell me robots are going to kill us all, I'm like, yeah, 15 years.

So who am I to judge? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's weird about becoming china because it feels like becoming more of a closed society becoming more of like a society where you are not as free as you are now that's the that's what could happen and this

is where i don't get into conspiracy theories not that i'm like too good for it or whatever i'm just always like but that just seems so far off from hey we're calling the cops on kids kids skateboarding to you know draconian fucking city well i mean i don't know how far off it is i just can't my brain doesn't connect the dots my brain always hops off board is like yeah it seems like too many dots i'm not we're not getting there yeah i mean there's a lot of there's a few dots but i mean again if if we told you you know after 9-11 that you'd have zero privacy you know you would you would be the same thing you go there's a lot of dots between this and that but here we are i mean your email your phone everything you do everything is on the grid everything's traced yeah you know i mean they can get rid of you social media could just get rid

of you it for whatever reason i mean and people are openly advocating for it you know getting rid of obviously people may hate alex jones not like alex jones whatever but it doesn't end with alex jones now people are talking about joe rogan and go get him out of here it's like this is a problem in our society that people are going to use these companies yeah to get rid of people that they don't like what do you think the real reason is they're trying to get joe out of there and who do you think is taking their numbers who do you think is they the media the legacy media these large institutions um these these big tech companies right they are you know i think that the media's lost a ton it's rupert murdoch making a decision in a board i don't think it's rupert murdoch but i do think it's a consensus i think the thing about the way that the country's run

is there is no they there is no five people in a room right right uh if everyone's kids go to the same school and everybody hangs out and they all vacation at martha's vineyard everybody talks there's no they there's no like directives going you do this it's a consensus created okay that this guy's dangerous that we can't allow him to have a platform yeah that people are dangerous that people shouldn't have the power right we need to go back to this top-down media where we told people what to think and they thought it right um okay real quick about in terms of top-down like with a story sometimes i wonder if things go top-down meaning like the board of directors saying hey these are the stories we're

gonna push out yeah like sometimes the shit you often see like the washington post put you know doing to support bezos yeah right like that seems very like top down yes but sometimes things happen bottom up because they're just chasing numbers right yes for example like uh the trump stories happen bottom up i imagine because it's like oh my god this story we leave with the trump thing this is going to get tons of clicks. People are going to read it. The Trump presidency happened bottom up. Real talk. Trump presidency maybe happened bottom up, right? So I wonder how much with Joe is the legacy media elites going, hey, we need to get this guy the fuck out of here, or the left wing media people at the bottom going, hey, I get a lot of views when I post a story

about Rogan. It's both. It's story about rogan it's everything and then and then it's almost like the legacy media the leads see it and they go well i wouldn't mind this guy getting the hell out of here you guys keep on going great work well yeah no it's both it's it's that unholy alliance or that marriage of both where it is an economy so writing about him and the clicks that's all an economy yeah and then i think the people at the top are just losing market share and they go we don't really want that uh model to be i don't think they'll ever let anyone get as big as him again bro that's the crazy they'll never let anyone get as big as him again he got really big on youtube then he went to spotify i don't believe they will let anyone get as big

well the only time it can happen is a time of disruption right like internet comes in disrupts everything obviously our industry right i mean do you think that the traditional hollywood complex is going to let us get as big as we are i think you are right a lot of it is bottom up a lot of it is chasing clicks but there are a lot of stories that would have been very salacious for example the epstein story right yeah is there more salacious of a story when people would click people would watch it is this fascinating you know insight into society but it's only run yeah yeah it's only run when it is safe yeah yeah to be run because this information was asking for years yeah yeah so if you were an enterprising young journalist and there was a few of them vicky ward a few of these people said hey this story's

not at all intrigue politicians celebrities sex islands fucking kids everything we got it yeah and then they go that and they kill it yeah so sometimes that's when i think you do see the top down but i think your point is well taken yeah yeah it is an economy now from the bottom up as well yeah of just parasites yes yes yeah but that's right the top down you definitely see blockage they squash a hundred percent and if you can block something you could also add some oxygen to it yeah and i think that's what's happening i think that's what's happening i'm curious about your perspective on this like like the media playbook it almost becomes like so hacky like now before i couldn't really see it because i was inside and i trusted it and it almost seemed like a coincidence right right and

the thing that made it so fucking transparent is is i was i literally asked on the podcast i was like how long before the truckers in canada are racist right it was a minute literally a minute a minute a minute before the whole movement was about misogyny right racism bigotry is where i'm a phobia yes Yeah. And you see it in the same thing with Joe. We would see it like you could time it out. Like he would bring on fucking Bernie. Yeah. And then the next day.

Boom. And it's just like, that has to be top down. It's like cigarettes because like cigarettes work, right? So people smoke, even though they kill you and they're more money every year, people still smoke. Not as many of them, but the reason that anybody smokes cigarettes, they work. You never light a cigarette and go, it's not like they work. It's the best.

It's what they do. These things work. Racist works. Misogynist works. Homophobe works. They work. And people go, well, I don't want to be. Because you might you

might just self-censor you might start the day going you know those truckers are kind of making a point but if you see a news story that connects them to those those other flag you're like you are self-censoring you don't even make that point yeah you just go oh i don't know what that is i'm gonna look the other way yeah it's a little murky over there something's going on i don't know and you don't want to publicly support them because if you do everybody's gonna be like oh this racist massage that's right yeah that's right yeah it's it's a playbook that works when it stops working that's going to be interesting okay so when it stops working what makes it stop working here's the reality the reality is trump right trump made it stop working because he didn't apologize so if you don't apologize

you don't give them power the minute you and i'm not saying apologies and acknowledgement and apologies and acknowledgement yeah and that trump was a sociopath a narcissist a con artist all these things didn't care about anything yeah so completely different than all politicians right what a new breed but what was good about what he did and the way he handled them is they go, you're a racist. He went, eh. He goes, and then he just goes. We have the best taco bowls in the whole of New York City. As soon as you go, I'm sorry.

Then they start digging your grave. Well, yeah, because this is the whole thing that happened with Louie. It's like he put out the apology and all of a sudden the people that see the apology think you're apologizing for what they believe you did right not what you believe you did right so he could be apologizing for what he believed was nothing right i wasn't inappropriate i didn't do it but i apologize that these people may have been heard whatever right but the average girl that just heard the fucking headline is going oh is he apologizing yeah for forcing these girls i think what rogan did was perfect because he was like i'm sorry for the situation i'm sorry that

people like neil young and johnny mitchell who i like and respect yeah are taking their but i'm not sorry for doing my job best best line best line is this is really strange it's strange yeah that is yeah dude having that's what it is it's fucking strange and all of a sudden you have to have a little empathy for it yeah you're You're like, wow, it must be strange. Absolutely. When you say something strange, it means you didn't plan on it being that way. But so to me, to go to conspiracy there too,

this is over. Why are we talking about it now? The vaccine, we're in the booth. It's over. Where are they? Where is Neil Young and Joni Mitchell? Where are they coming from? Joni Mitchell's 100 years old.

She doesn't know where she is. What is over? Who's putting this vaccine game... COVID's over. Yes, we're not even in the height of this anymore. This is not a hot topic. Like, this came out of nowhere. Somebody whispered in their ears,

let's be legends. Let's take this guy down. This is not a, I don't believe for a minute this was completely without somebody either pissing in their ear because it's over. It's like, it's the weirdest time to harp on it now.

Now. It's odd. The UK just opened up no restrictions. I think Sweden is done vaccinating children or one of these Norwegian countries. It's such an odd time. Canada locked in and they're both Canadian. Canada loves locking in.

Neil Young and Joni Mitchell are both mean, Canada locked in and they're both Canadian. Canada loves locking in. I mean, they're locked in. Yeah, but Neil Young and Joni Mitchell are both Canadian. So I wonder if they're like a little bit more tied to what's happening. They both survived polio. I think there's a reason that, you know, they're mad about it. But it's just a weird time like where I'm like, wait a minute. Are we still even fighting about this? Yeah.

I don't feel like we're even fighting about it. Yeah. Is it over? Huh? Yeah. So then why? So then why does it pop up now? Election influence? I think they just don't feel like we're even fighting about it. Yeah. Is it over? Yeah. So then why? So then why does it pop up now? Election influence?

I think they just don't like him. Yeah. I don't think they want him. I think a lot of powerful people in this country do not like the idea that there is a show that gets 11 million viewers, downloads, whatever, a week that is a guy that's not controlled will you feel like a failure if someone doesn't try to kill you that's a good question um are you disappointed it hasn't happened already imagine you ruffled all these feathers and called out all these elites for your whole career yeah and never once did someone try to kill you like me

you go dine at their establishments you You stay at their hotels. You're asking. They want a guy like me to do it. Because you're just crazy enough? I'm a comedian. I have nothing. It's not real. It's the best when a comedian does it. I was hoping you were going to be like, because I can be bought.

No, that's not true. They can shut you up so quick. I'm more sad than I should to buy me off. What's your number to shut up? What's your number to bend over and do everything that Gavin Newsom tells you? Ooh, it's big. $250?

Yeah. $150. $150 and the check is right there. $150 million? $150 cash. To be fucked by Gavin Newsom on TV. No, you don't fuck him. And he doesn't fuck you.

Well, now we have to renegotiate. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You just said he would bend me over. I meant metaphorically. Well, no, I'm not fucking pervert. He's a handsome man. He is very good. Good luck.

No, I don't think he's handsome. Something we can agree on. You think Gavin Newsom would pay $150 million to fuck you? Yeah, come on, dude. No, I wouldn't take any money. And here's why. It's not ever about the money that you're giving. Tim.

No, no, no. Shut the fuck up. No. You said to me, you have high ceilings. I need to see your apartment. I want to see your apartment. I want to see your apartment. But only because I can say you paid too much later.

No, it's never about the money. It's the death warrant. So if you take the money, it's the death warrant. It's just like the apology. Oh, explain that. The money's the death warrant so if you take the money it's the death it's just like the apology oh explain the money's the death warrant explain that meaning that if you take money from anybody to do anything yeah yeah it's why rogue listen i love rogan but like he's on spotify he's he's an employee of spotify right he's the biggest podcaster in the world that being said you know when you're in a when you're in a deal, you're in a deal. Right. The stock price impacts

and reflects on you. Right. So I would never take, like, money to shut up. I would take money to do a show. I would take money,

but it would have to be the show that I would like to do anyway. So 150, wait, wait, so do you think that he addressed it because the stock price was Oh yeah,

no, I think he addressed it because the entire thing, you're part of that company. And you feel a responsibility to help that company. I think they also put some pressure on, probably. I think, yeah, you are part of a company now, which I would be, too. Listen, if they give me $30 million, I'd be out there going,

Meghan McCain, you know, this is strange. there going Megan McCain you know this is strange McCain is mad and I don't you know it's it was fun because we bear a bovine resemblance to each other and I thought that it would be like here's a deal like no you're what it is yeah that's our homie that's fine that's great yeah congrats yeah um you know yeah um but don't fold double down i'm not folding at all i'm saying that like you're part of a company of tips what it is but but don't you feel like i just feel like with joe's specific situation he has the nuclear codes no no no because if they kick him out he just gets even more popular he he actually i think he has enough of a nuclear code to say okay here's what i can do apology wise i can give you an honest apology that's not full of shit but that's not what you

guys want me to say which is hey i'm, I'm sorry, whatever the fuck you want. Maybe I'm naive, but the way I'm looking at it, if I'm him, is I don't have to say anything. If maybe I like you guys, I like the company, I want to help out the company, which is also possible, but I don't have to say anything because if you guys kick me out, I go back onto YouTube and my podcast goes everywhere.

No, you wouldn't be on YouTube. They would have kicked him off YouTube. Why? Robert Malone, all those episodes would have been removed from YouTube. They would have absolutely... It's two episodes. No, no, no. That's huge. That's two strikes. Your channel gets three. No, you can't go back. You just don't upload those episodes.

The content he was doing for the last six months would not work on YouTube. Put the advisory in the beginning. It would not work. We did it. We had Alex Jones on here with an advisory. They didn't take it down. I'm telling you. It's all satire. The content he was doing for the last six months, bringing these guys on. Yeah.

The brilliance of him moving to Spotify was that they weren't censoring. I disagree. You don't, you, you disagree. And they take stuff down on YouTube all the time. I think they do take stuff down, but I think there are things that you can go to and think there are things

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to the narrative that they want. Fair. Regardless, if they take it down, I still think if he goes back to YouTube, he has a massive... I don't think he's... I think if Spotify got rid of him, he's clearly...

His career's not over, but... He's bigger. I think he doubles up. Listen, he's a part of a company that's in a shitstorm. Right. So there's no way he's making that video if there wasn't a shit storm he's in a shit storm that's why he's doing it stock price

is being battered people are pulling their music it's a little bit of a thing so you make the video and he's even if it's just a pain in his ass yeah why do you think he made you think he made the video with for no i mean listen i think i think he. Why do you think he made the video for no? I mean, listen. I think he made the video. I think he made a video to clarify his position and to control his narrative. These people are going to say this about me. I agree.

He did. I'm going to say exactly what it is. And I think he did a good job. He did a great job. But in response to what was happening. But I also think a very important part of the video was like, we're talking about all this misinformation. And he's like, remember all these things that were misinformation?

And now we know to be true. It's a brilliant video. It's a masterful video. But it's a video I think made because there's a reality of being the biggest show on this platform. But I don't know if it's the Swedish guy at Spotify going, hey, we need a video.

I think it's like, yo, I'm getting a lot of heat. Maybe my family's getting a lot of heat. It's making me uncomfortable. I need a clarified position. I don't know if it's the Swedish guy at Spotify. I believe if you put a gun to my head yeah do you think the ceo which might happen later today you don't you don't think the ceo spotify had a had any conversation with him of course right i'm not saying they put a gun to his head but like the companies i've worked

at companies that have gone through things that are that are that are equivalent to a shit storm where like things are a problem, right? Bad things are happening. So people got to get out there. I'm just saying it's part of that. Joe wants his position to be clear. He's a human being. I don't think he wants people thinking he's getting people killed either.

Yeah, exactly. I think it's just clarifying the narrative and not more like, I'm an employee and I have to do it. What I don't like is the disclaimers aren't good. Spotify disclaimers aren't good. Spotify disclaimers aren't good. The Spotify, hey, why don't you book some experts? And I've even suggested to Joe, have some Provax people on.

But I don't like Spotify. I don't like if they have an interest in that. I don't like the direction that goes in because then one day it's, well, it's not only the anti-vax or whatever the health community, it's the LGBTQIA2 community. We've heard them loud or the whatever the health community it's the lgbtqia 2 community yeah we've heard them loud and clear we've heard the social justice community loud and

clear i don't like but you need to do it because you you own a company where it's based off ripping off musicians and in order to continue to rip off musicians yeah you have to have them i guess happy are they ripping them off i think so so. They're ripping off comics. I know that. Yeah, they also don't get much. I mean, it's good publicity. How much are they ripping off comics? It's like 337 Spotify plays or something for a dollar,

something like that, maybe 73. It's higher. Amazon is the worst, but Spotify is pretty bad too. I mean, stand-up comedy. Now, I will delete this if Spotify gives me money. Yeah. But they've already said they won't. Stand-up comedy functionally just doesn't work on a platform like that.

The way that you make money on a platform like that with music is just people playing the same song every single day over and over again. Yeah, and it does a lot for musicians too. If you get on a playlist, it's huge. With stand-up comedy, you listen to a joke and you're like, I don't need to hear that joke every single morning when I wake up. Right. People can listen to the same fucking song every single morning when they wake up.

Right. I mean, we can play Sweet Caroline until we're dead. Sure. Right? You just can't do that with a joke. Right. Right? So it's just I've heard comics be upset about this and maybe you should make more money. Okay, maybe they should pay more. That'd be

great. But functionally, you're not going to make the same as a musician. Yeah. The commodity isn't as valuable over time. Yeah. The half life is short. Yeah. I just think that there's probably a more fair way to do it. Yeah. Then it's being done now. I'm not saying that people have to make millions of dollars. Yeah. I just think that there's probably more a more fair way to do it yeah then it's being done now yeah i'm not saying that people have to make millions of dollars yeah yeah i just think that there's

probably a more fair way to do it than it's being done now sure because again comics their their heart and soul is their chokes yes you know yes yes yeah and they should be monetizing by performing live yeah i can't isn't that the model you give it away for free and then see what happens and also isn't isn't business just leverage like what leverage leverage do comics have Performing live. Yeah. For sure. Isn't that the model? You give it away for free and then see what happens? And also, isn't business just leverage? Like, what leverage do comics have? Nobody's unsubscribing Spotify for comedy. No, no, no.

I don't think comics even, it's not even a question of leverage. I think it's a question of fair business practices when you are handling content. I think at the end of the day, the appearance that you care about the creators is huge. Yeah. Now, whether you care about them or not, I think paying them more fairly and giving the idea to people that you care about the creators is good for a company like Spotify to do. That sounds great. I believe that. What, what would be would be fair i don't i don't know what would be fair so this is the how much they pay this is royalty rates per stream yeah so uh i heart radio plays the most pays the most then title then amazon music then spotify no then what is that youtube music spotify pays nothing youtube is the one that pays nothing yeah let's let's let's kick music, then Spotify. No, then what is that? YouTube music?

YouTube pays nothing. Let's kick it up from three cents. What can we make it? Let's give them 12 cents. 12 cents! That's good. That's a four times, 4x. 100%. 4x, 3 to 12. It's not killing them.

The real issue with Spotify that they didn't want to pay up, it wasn't the per spin. They don't want to pay up, it wasn't the purse spin. Yeah. It's they don't want to pay double. Okay. So with musicians, you play the person who performs the piece and the person who produces the piece and makes the piece. Yeah.

So comics were going, hey, I perform my shit and I write my shit. Right. I want to get the double royalties, the same royalties you give musicians, which makes sense. Yeah. Right. Somebody has to write these jokes. Somebody got to perform them yeah why don't we both get paid yeah i am both right so pay just like bob dylan is both you know so if you're

gonna pay bob dylan twice pay me twice and then amazon was like or not amazon spotify was like no we're not gonna pay you none and nobody's gonna unsubscribe exactly so that was the big thing i don't think it was like coming up from these scents. They wanted to double up, which is, yo, ask for it. And then pull your shit. You got to be willing to do it. I didn't like that Harry and Meghan had a meeting with Spotify because they're like investors in Spotify. They had a meeting about Joe.

Really? Yeah. They're scum. What is the Harry and Meghan? You know what's so funny? It's like I got married up in. Thanks for coming, by the way. Piece of shit.

I had things to do. I would have loved to go, you know what's so funny? It's like, I got married up in, thanks for coming, by the way. Piece of shit. I had things to do. I would have loved to go, you know? That invitation got lost. I did. My bad. All the New York guys. I left it at the hotel. Now, I understand the rest of the people, they're poor.

Yeah. I understand the rest of the people. You would have enjoyed it. I would have enjoyed it. I would have gotten you something nice. I understand, like, not inviting. What would you have gotten me? Something nice.

What do you think? I don't know, but it would have been impressive. What do you drop on, like, a good wedding gift? I don't know, but it would have been impressive. What do you drop on a good wedding gift? I don't know. Because I have one friend who's very close to me and still hasn't gotten me something, so maybe we can inspire him. I would have gotten something really nice.

I don't know what it would have been. It would have been like an experience. I would have bought you and your wife a trip. Something crazy. Something wild. Yeah. I like that a lot. Maybe I'm still developing that experience.

Okay, that's possible he's curating I was just focused on you know officiating a perfect wedding that wasn't about me he did a great job you officiated a great wedding

the wedding was fucking great it's in Santa Barbara now you know Santa Barbara people watching maybe they're not as familiar Santa Barbara is basically like super wealthy people that want to be down to earth

that's right as long as they're around enough super wealthy people they can all let their guard down and stop pretending to be wealthy that's right hey we're all fucking billionaires let's just wear whatever okay let's just wear sandals let's just go to the farmer's market i'm cool i'm chill i'm relaxed interesting conceptually it's fun right um but the funny thing is megan and harry went there and when they go to like santa sida Ranch to eat this is a safe you're familiar with the ranch

so like when they go they want to shut down the whole ranch just so they can eat and the reaction from the people in Santa Barbara is like you're not even the richest person here like you're not even royalty anymore like what are you doing they're frauds and they're not even good at it right

so they're not even good at it wait what do you mean they're frauds they're complete frauds I mean he's a prince well kind of he's a prince but half blood you know when i say they're frauds i mean they don't they purport to have left the uk because of racism yes and come to america where we all know there's none none at all no racism ever so they left one country that's racist yeah another country is not racist and they have a deal with Netflix. And they're producing shows on Netflix about female empowerment. Just say you want to be...

Rich. LA rich. Just say you don't want to eat fish pudding in the rain. Like the inbred freaks that you live with. And say you want to be Montecito rich you want to be 75 and sunny rich can you explain to me why anybody would give a production deal to two people that have never produced anything well they gave it to the obamas right they give it to people who i'd give it to the obamas i would too i'd give it to them before i give it to harry the mark is not experience and obama is not experienced but

what am i watching the show because harry and megan produced it well number one people out there that do that are they influencers no what they want to do is they want to get behind the narrative the idea that they are empowering this young actress who was so bloodied in the British press and by the royal family, she had to escape with private guard, of course, and security from that country to this country. So they're writing a check to a story that I believe is varying degrees of true.

They're writing a check to a narrative like, look, we are gonna get in the Meghan and Harry business because they are brave to call out their family's racism because who knew these inbred lunatics were racist? You know, we had no idea. They literally have been the ruling class of a racist country for a very long time. They invented imperialism, but who knew?

They were not progressive behind closed doors. What a shock. this country for a very long time yeah they invented imperialism but who knew yeah they were not progressive behind closed doors yeah what a shock um well you know so what they did was they got behind that story and it was a powerful story because people in america are stupid yeah and stupid people like stories they can easily understand yeah and netflix is run by people that want to please those stupid people. So they wrote the check. So Netflix believes that people care about their story. That's right. I think that that is wrong, dude.

You don't think so? I don't think people know. I believe that that could be the reason why they invested. I don't believe that there's that many people that are interested in their story. No, there's not. Right. Of course there's not. You're absolutely right.

Huge faux pas. By the way, of course there's not but you're absolutely right by the way of course there's not yeah but it's the belief that there is which is the psychopathy that runs the entertainment business now we're like yeah there is no audience for a lot of what they're making there is no audience nobody wants it nobody wants to be lectured yeah about why they're bad people yeah nobody wants any of this. Nobody wants any of it. Nobody wants fucking Stephen Colbert telling you how to live.

They want stupid pet tricks. Stupid pet tricks. Remember that? That was the thing. It was good. I would do that. You're absolutely right. Remember we tried.

When we were in Miami, we were trying to get the animals on the show. Pets now are too smart. They have too many rights. Pets have too many rights now. It a fact okay so then we're i was having this discussion i forget i think mark and i were discussing this the other day but um i've been like so embarrassed by american the lack of american arrogance lately yeah when. When we were growing up, there was a healthy arrogance. Yes. I remember I went and studied abroad in Spain.

Okay? Yeah. And I might be on the higher spectrum of like arrogance sometimes. Right. No. Maybe a tiny, maybe just a little bit.

I am not even. Do you know what I mean? Wedding was in Montecito, not Santa Barbara, just to clarify. It's fancy. You know what I mean? How would I know?

You know, you know these things. Me and my gift weren't invited. I know, I know. When we renew the vows okay okay um i i showed up wearing fucking cowboy hat i'm from new york right cowboy hat like a american flag shirt some blue fucking adidas pants yeah like advanced i was like screaming america and i was like you're lucky i'm fucking here right for a year to study abroad and i was talking to ronnie chang about this the other day he's like yeah like

i think america's been humbled you know like by the news by the experience what's going on and like because americans are very like uh uh polite abroad now right we go kind of apologizing before we go into places etc now there's no we should be polite i don't think that we shouldn't be polite but i think that there's a lack of fucking confidence going on in America right now. Yeah. And this is where I understand why people feed, I don't want to say bullshit, but why we feed bullshit, why we feed these narratives and stories and create heroism out of things that might not be that heroic. Because low key, don't you want a more confident people? If you have to be part of something right wouldn't it be a winning

story like i was asking this english a person the other day they were just in the audience i was like yo do they tell you that the empire is over like do they teach that yeah at all they're like no they don't even know there are people in england that don't even know that they don't run the world and if you look at them and you see everyone in the world speaks english they're probably going yeah we still run it some some of them do, no. I think it really depends, right? Like the American arrogance is alive in certain places. It's just, we're on the decline right now. You can feel it and we got to turn it around. We got to turn it around, but we're on the decline. You can feel it. Have we ever been in the decline historically in this empire, the American empire, and then

turned it around? Because I think my fear is how do you turn it around is there any stopping china they are you could listen there are the robots there's ways to turn it around but as of right now um we are i think without argument we're we're on we're on a downward slope okay i'm gonna push back on that i don't think that that slope is as steep as you present it um maybe not because right now the war is culture right and i mean like yeah we're not going to war war with china everybody dies right and our culture is still more influential than theirs we're not walking around chinese yeah you know what i'm saying right they are adopting american culture the war is economic

though the war is more than culture culture is a fake war the war is economic and their economy is really growing at a bigger pace and ours is more people yeah well people more engineers yeah there's a guy uh from where he used to work raytheon or something like that that came to the show uh in oxnard right and he was just saying like they have superiority in terms of weapons he goes weapons don't matter because we can all kill each other they can just kill us a little bit quicker i'm not worried i'm not worried about even i think china is a problem i think the threats to the american uh this project were internal although i want to get to that in one second but what he specifically said is here's the the the reason why we could potentially lose they're just five to one

that's five to one engineers that's five to one like fucking dancers for tiktok it's five to one so they're also culturally promoting engineering like in america people want to be youtubers they want to be famous they want to be this you want to do that sorry guys we don't necessarily have the math and science core and the value system that i mean there's a reason why all the kids in the new spider-man go to mit right Right. Their whole life is about how do I get to MIT? I think, for example. He loses all his friends just so they can go to MIT. Right.

It's how do we get these fucking kids to start learning again? You know, I remember when Detroit, remember when Detroit like fell? None of us remember that. Detroit, Detroit. You don't remember that? You don't remember that? You don't remember that? I do remember.

You remember Detroit fell? Yeah, Detroit as a city like went bankrupt. You don't remember this yeah where were you it was like in high school yeah it was kwame ko patrick right yeah it was like a pretty big story yeah yeah so but then detroit been falling robocop was detroit yeah that should have been on fire since the 80s yeah that's the problem do you see what i mean when you let american cities just completely disintegrate and there's like five cities where everyone has lamborghinis and then the rest of them are on fire yeah that's a problem and what happens is

is your country begins to decline whether you can see it or feel it because you're a millionaire and all your friends are millionaires but the reality is if you go to these other places where people don't have jobs you don't have health care they're totally fucked they don't see a way out their kids are on fentanyl their daughters on only fans this is part now when those people but industry changes certain cities okay sure that's no this is american history industry is going to change cities is going to make certain cities more and economically viable than others i understand that but when you look at that that working class when they had jobs and could go on vacations yeah and they had money yeah and they weren't being completely uh replaced and their jobs weren't you know being shipped overseas yeah you had a more robust country you had a you had a better feeling in the sections of the country so those sections

yeah buffalo at one time rochester at one time were more robust and they were wealthy. Yeah, but don't you see that as a problem? So is West Virginia. But don't you think that's a problem? No, I think that this is the nature of changing

an industry. But that's where the arrogance that you're missing is going. Miami is a perfect example of this. when you live in a tent. But if you can see the rise and fall of cities,

how do you not see the rise and fall of countries? That's what I mean. Like, you don't think eventually this becomes... Like, if the rise and fall of cities is natural and that's evolution no i understand i understand what you're saying i guess what i'm saying is it's it's not as if they're a new city

isn't also going to pop up so if rochester and buffalo falls yeah another place is probably going to pop up but it's bigger than just specific cities these are entire industries we have no manufacturing in the country right this is a bigger problem we have no manufacture we don't make anything here yeah everything so if you're an unskilled worker you don't have any skills yes you're competing against immigrants that come in all the time you're competing against your other uh you know neighbors and friends and you're competing against people that live overseas that are willing to do the jobs for cheaper so i'm just saying listen i'm not an economist but i'm just saying when you talk about arrogance

that like where's the sense of American mojo and where did it go a lot of it is like motherfucker you drive 20 minutes out of any city yeah you're driving to a third world country and when you drive through a third world country when you drive through parts of Cleveland and they look like Sarajevo when they look like okay that's a problem this no no this I this I agree with it's an issue no this I agree I just thought you were saying like push back and i don't think one specific city like crumbling doesn't mean another won't pop up and that is something for sure that's naturally going to happen in the course of a country yeah but when you just have these sacrifice zones whatever it is no good like you have these areas where like and they're popping up all over the place then

you have tent cities yep so you're like you talk about the american like you're driving around you look you go oh it's yeah you can't everywhere feel like the greatest country in the world if you're seeing extreme poverty right out all the time yeah and i think that's affecting people's sense of what's going on and also there's probably this sense because of social media like remember back in the day when you live and existed within your neighborhood you understood how wealthy or poor you were within the proximity of the people that live with you. Yeah. And now we're constantly faced with all these people who are doing so much better than us,

even if they're not really. Right. They look like they are on the internet. Right. So there's probably an ego hit that comes from that as well. You're like, oh, shit, I thought I was successful. I just started making $100,000 a year. And you hop on Instagram and there's some 19 year old that just made $2 billion on Bitcoin.

Unquestionably, there's an ego. Interesting. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. I agree with that. You're constantly confronted with everything you're doing wrong.

And we're doing a lot of self-reflection as a country, right? Which you don't see a country like China doing. Like China's not sitting back and going, hey, how are we bad 300 years ago? How are we bad 200 years ago? And how can we be better? Now, the concern is that we would just go ago and how can we be better now the the concern is that we would just go well let's forget about all the fucked up things that we did in the past we don't want to do that right we want to know what we did we don't want to ignore our history

right but i and i'm curious about the people who are like orchestrating america for the next like 200 years as they figure out like what we learn in schools are they sitting there and they going hey we need to instill, instill some heroism, man. Like we need to make people feel proud of America. Cause right now we're making people realize all the fucking horrible shit they did.

And we're not comparing America as a country to other countries. We're only comparing her to herself. And that's where you start to be embarrassed. Yeah. I think there's a real fight and there's a real tension between those two views. And I don't think it's going to be resolved anytime soon. I think there's people that believe that the job of schools is to tell children why things are the way they are. tell children why things are the way they are,

which is what I think a lot of the proponents of some of the newer critical race theory and stuff like that are doing. They're saying, here is a theory that explains why it is. And then there are people that go, that's not the job of a school. The job of a school is to give you the facts. The figures tell you 10 theories, 10 reasons why things may be the way they are.

And have you come to those conclusions on your own? Yeah. We don't need to force feed you that one particular theory. We need to provide. Now, there are also people on the far end of that spectrum who go, well, we don't like we want to only show the pro-America theories. We don't want to show the critical uh race theories we don't want to show how incarceration might be related to racism slavery or racism or any of that there are people that go that theory should be banned and then there are people go we should

only teach that theory and i'm in the middle that goes teach all of the theories yeah and let the kids um who are on fentanyl anyway and aren't listening, let them figure out what theories they are going with. I don't think schools should ever go, this is the way and the only way. I try to look at like the best case scenario for both sides, right? I look at the best case scenario for the critical race theory side, right? Not the person that's trying to sit there and be like, white people are bad, here's why. The person who's literally trying to explain to some kids, hey, this is why there might be a discrepancy of wealth and opportunity. Like when you look at your friend

who doesn't have the things that you have, like now you don't have to think that, you know, he's just unlucky. Maybe there's circumstances that put him there and then maybe you have more empathy. Like that's why I think best case scenario for the critical race theory. And I think that's great. I support that, right that's why I think best case scenario for the critical race theory. And I think that's great. I support that, right? And then I think best case scenario for the people who don't want to teach it, right? What if they're literally going, yo, what if we stop teaching these kids that they're different from one another? What if they'll start treating each other as if they're the same?

Maybe that's best case. And maybe it's naive to think that, but maybe that's best case scenario. You're probably right about what the best case on each side wants. And like, and I like your strategy about teaching both of them, but I'm like, man,

it would be fucking nice if we were curating these stories that Americans could feel fucking proud of it. Give me a Top Gun movie again. Like, give me something that we're doing that's good

that we should feel proud of. Not fucking dance challenges on the internet. I'm talking about some real Americana shit. Get our fucking balls back and start walking around with our fucking dance challenges on the internet. I'm talking about some real Americana shit. Get our fucking balls back and start walking around with our fucking head straight up, man.

Yeah, it's, it's, and I wonder what you do that through. Do you do that through school? Like, do you do that through kids? I think you do it through a mixture of a bunch of things,

policy, culture, you know, you, you give people, you need like a Springsteen, bro. Yeah. Like a new spring. I don't think that works bro yeah like a new spring i don't think that works here's the deal i don't think that works anymore i i don't think that

works no i don't think it works anymore why well i think we're just i don't think we're a country at this point to be honest can i tell you another reason i truly don't believe we're a country at this at this moment i would say there's more i could make a better argument I was a debater I could make a better argument that we were a collection of of of nation states whatever than an actual country at this particular moment do you want to know something and I want to hear I want to hear your your actually you say what you're gonna say first of all new media is why I don't think it works everything's too splintered when it was springsteen in the 70s you had like three different options for programming and it's all pretty easy to be the same so pro america really easy to get behind now there's a pro

america guy there's a thousand fuck america guys singing a song on spotify that's one playlist over so i don't think it works as well but let me ask you a question i'm sorry to interrupt you but based on what you just said i have a friend who said this about india indian guy but i think it might also apply to america should we just go to an eu model where the country is it's a continent all together but we all kind of govern ourselves i don't think we should do that but i will tell you this the reason i would say effectively we're not not that we're not a country but effectively you got to look at what's good for certain people is really not good for other people in this country we've reached a point where you're the right for what you want to do and how you want to live is not necessarily good for me and it used to

be where we would have differences but then we had these concentric circles it would overlap and our interests were in the middle and a lot of our interests lied with like okay they're keeping us safe from the soviet union or this or that or whatever but now but you know if you are the country was designed with that in mind though like yes but it was also designed with that's the state's rights idea right it's like for sure i live in virginia you live in maine i'm not gonna but the idea that that one state goes we're hard we're very pro-gun and another state goes we don't want guns at all. Great. And then you go, okay, but the problem is people are buying guns in one state and using them in another state. So the reason why this is tricky is because back in the day, it took six months to get from Maine to Virginia. That's right.

Now. Yeah, six hours. It's two hours. Whatever it is. Exactly. So now you have to have more uniform laws. Yeah. Because.

Now there are people that go, we want fracking. And there are people that go, I want. Yo, your fracking is coming down our river and then causing people to die in our state where we make it illegal. We're too interconnected to have such different rules and laws. Is that what you're trying to say? I mean, we're very interconnected. And but we're also at the same time dude our lives aren't any anywhere like my life being good yeah and somebody else's life being good may depend on things being diametrically opposed like different

so uh i think you're developing a caste system yeah i think that's what you're kind of talking about well it's kind of happening right already you already have it happening yeah like we we dismiss knowingly or unknowingly yeah we dismiss the people who live in troy yeah because we don't work in factories yeah yeah and we go hey things happen yeah cities spring up move to austin start a podcast invest in yourself yeah yeah but the reality is those people want to kill us because they go fuck you you guys are benefiting from buying this hoodie yeah for no money yeah because it was made like and there's always going to be some level of that tension but it's just gotten to a point now where it does feel like

it's bubbling over here's to something crazy and here's the thing it's if you're in one of these places that's not considering true at all right it doesn't even pop on your radar right it's almost like um how america is with the rest of the world like we don't consider like what sweden does but sweden needs to consider what we do that That's right. Right. And I think we often treat cities, towns, et cetera, within America with that same, for lack of a better word, arrogance. Right. Right. And that does become a problem, especially when those people are resenting. I was I was on stage the other day and I just asked the people in the crowd who the new mayor was. This is right when Adams got elected.

What percentage do you think could say the name of the mayor in their town? Half. Not even. 10% is generous. Wow. Now, your life is so good. Right. You can remove yourself from politics.

That's right. Totally. Those people up in Troy. They can't. That politician is make or break. Yeah. People like that living in the same place. That is what you're talking about.

That's going to cause. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That it's just, it's interesting, right? And it's not even, it's not even me like having a view or how to fix it or political. It's just me looking at everything and going, fuck, this is a pickle. What is the French queen? Let them eat cake. Marie Antoinette. It's let them eat cake bro it's kind of that and then oh they're struggling in troy let them eat cake and then people get angry and then it becomes a capital riot it becomes

antifa it becomes like violence on the street and all some of those are just rich kids larping that's fine but like what you see is it becomes opioid crisis it becomes i have i'm in despair i don't have a future. I don't believe my life is going to be good. And it's so funny. Even the drugs that you see people using now, like ketamine. They're not even fun. Bro, because what are they?

They're disassociation. Yeah, they're getting out of here. Everything is get me out of here. Everything is escape. It used to be like, life is fun. I want it to be even more fun. Right. I want to have energy for the whole

night full of right right and now it's i don't even want to deal with this yeah i don't want to deal with fucking whatever white guilt i don't want to deal with whatever these fucking things are ketamine k-hole i'm out don't talk to me i'm out yeah you even see some of these fucking rich kids doing heroin again they right when we were younger that was like so fucking taboo because they they also have no purpose. Yeah, so they're tapping out of this. Because we've gotten rid of religion. We've gotten rid of...

You don't feel... You don't have a community anymore. Everything's global. So you're on Instagram. Oh, I'm talking to somebody in Dubai. I'm talking to somebody here. There's no communities that are local anymore. And electronic communities build a lot of things but

they're also very isolating yeah and they also limit interaction to some degree they they they make it a lot easier but that's why you have so many friends online right because you don't have to be with them that's right and and then the reality is you have these things that we've never lived in this paradigm for a while we're now seeing what it's like to fully live digital like what it feels like yeah to have all our emotions tied to this thing in our hand yeah it's yeah it's metaverse comment one foot in we've got one foot in yeah i don't think the metaverse is that far away in terms of how most people live their lives especially it's pandemic and i don't even, are you familiar with the metaverse? Are you like kind of?

To a degree, I'm not an expert, but I've poked around. I think it's, we're on a three to five year timeline before you'll start seeing a lot of that shit. But like, I think a lot of people are going, this is ready player one.

Like I just put on my goggles and I just exist in this world and I walk around in this world, et cetera. But my understanding is that that's not exactly what the metaverse is. Not yet. But you think eventually it will be. It could be. It might be.

It's hard to predict what it would actually look like. Yeah. It's more just like, what I will say is that people seem more and more kids are digitally native. Yeah. Meaning their girlfriends, boyfriends, close friends, first meaningful experiences, things they care about, things they'll buy for clout, way they flex, communities they join, cultures, trends. Yeah.

All are digital. NFTs. NFTs. It's all digital. Kids, young kids, digitally native. Now, some of them, them you know obviously as you get older some of that changes but does it you know yeah i think a lot of it is kind of a permanent new fixture in the way that people you know operate as human beings is that we can't pull

out of this that's the crazy thing about technology you can't't get out. You can't opt out. You will have a hard life. You can't not be, you know, you have to have these things. You have to be on these services, these platforms. You can't just go, hey, fuck that. I'm out. Yeah. It's like, then you're a freak.

Food addiction. Right. You can't just, you have to learn how to manage it. Yeah. So at the end of the day, it's like a weird thing. Cause you can't, you could, learn how to manage yeah so at the end of the day it's like a weird thing because you can't you could you could spend less time on it our buddy uh ben uyeda you might have met ben actually uh had an interesting theory about like using your phone and all these digital communities like he thinks we'll look at social media in the same way that we look at food

like where there's a warning on it and it's like this has this many calories right isn't good for you you should limit the amount of this that you have but initially no initially with mcdonald's and shit when we were younger there was no fucking calories on anything right right it was just that was general cigarettes that was the first thing where it started yeah no i'm just saying that's an example there was no surgeon general and see i was just like i guess we can consume this if it's there we should be able to eat it. Smoke Lucky Strike. Who gives a fuck?

Yeah. Jesus, man. It's what it is, you know? Yeah. Well, what can we be excited about? What? What can we be excited about? They got Ghislaine.

Yeah. I mean, who cares? A lot of kids lost jobs. Let me ask you a question. The Ghislaine thing I find is interesting because like the more I thought about the Epstein and Ghislaine stuff, I'm like, are both sides using the kids in the same way? Yeah, right. Right. Exactly.

Yeah. They don't care either. It's like it's like they're using the kids to get incriminating shit on people they hate. And then the people that hate Clinton. Right. And the only the only ones who let those kids are the ones that suffer yeah everybody's using the kids right to punish the people they don't like that's right right so i'm just like i don't know because i started thinking eat and i've done so many fucking rants and talks about them on the podcast and i'm like so i should know who these kids are if i care so much about them. Yeah, no, no. I know one. I can name one of them. One person.

Virginia. Virginia. Yeah, it's one person. Yeah. Are we just using the fucking girls too, dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, what are we going to do for them? Yeah, you're using them in a much less gross way.

You know what I mean? Yeah, we are. But I guess what I'm saying is like, ultimately, they're a means to an end too. Yeah. The good news, I think. What do you say? No, but that's like everything. That's like the Uyghurs.

Like, do you care about the Uyghurs? Or do you just care about just care about punishing china that's what that one indian guy was trying to tell you everybody shit all over the indian dude and it was their opportunity to shit all over a rich guy yeah well it's just hilarious you have all these bush era architects of the mid-east torture policy talking about the uighurs yeah these are people that literally helped invent underground torture prisons to torture Muslims many of them innocent of any crime and they created that program and now they're talking about the Uyghurs I mean you're like what?

but the good news is and the good things on the horizon I think the positive things on the horizon is that the end will be swift I disagree with you And I think the positive things on the horizon is that the end will be swift. No, no, no. I disagree with you.

You have fun. I mean, here's the good news. The good news is always what you make it. Yes. The good news is always what you make it. Find the fun where you want. I don't think we're going anywhere. I mean that.

Where? I don't think this country's going anywhere. I don't think we're going anywhere. I just think it'll continue to get worse we're gonna be okay here's the deal we're good yeah we're not going anywhere yeah you got married in santa barbara yeah yeah montecito montecito we're not going anywhere but there's people out there that are that are that are going places yes they're it's unfortunate and we should do more for the gut someone should do more for that someone we should someone should everybody should i mean as we as we get more like the tents are getting too much it's getting too much now we should but it's wacky that's our

responsibility we always talk about like what about nicer tents that's a nice thing we can go out there get them some tents they do this in certain places. Yeah. You know? Or kill them all. I haven't decided. The purge. I don't know what. I don't know if it should be nicer tents or we should kill them all in the middle of the night. Both solutions. But something should happen.

Both are solutions. That is. That is. What did they do during the tent cities during, what is it, Truman? Hoover. Hoover. Hoover. Yeah.

Hooverville. Yeah. What'd they do with hooverville oh i don't know they got rid of them but was that was that purge style yeah probably more like purge style really i think yeah like i rid of there was a few of them in central park they got rid of that to build the park is that right oh yeah that's worth it you need the park we need a park where else are you gonna walk that's true and the city would be gross without the park so no we're not going anywhere i think i think i think i think things are gonna be okay i think things are gonna be great i just still influence we still have black people okay they're gonna dictate what's cool around the world you really think that some people from

shanghai are gonna start dictating culture dance music no fuck out of here dude no my only thing is we can lead with that stuff we're gonna start treating black people better they're willing to start treating black people better for the okay i might say blacks and jews we gotta take care of them cut a new deal real talk um yeah i just think we have to like reparations you need to go over the top yeah you need more than reparations max contract max contract real talk we just we just have to figure out how we all can live together without killing each other we can't write off these large swaths of human beings i agree with you on that i think that's disgusting we gotta because then it's

gonna come back to ruin everything and poison everything and and not only is it morally wrong it's stupid and it's bad business it's bad business if a certain percentage of your employees are are poor and pissed yes it's bad business yes and that's what the elites and the people that ran this country forgot they forgot that like you know it's bad business they i feel like they know the the point that they can push people to well it's like they push push push they get to the breaking point then it's like we got to give everybody some money we got a socialism isn't that bad idea maybe we should give you some health care right it's push so that that's it that's a dangerous game that yeah that yin and yang that's a dangerous but here's the thing

there's gonna be people that are in our position that are gonna not our position but like our age our generation is gonna come into power and they're gonna have to make some decisions right what we want to be do you want to squeeze people like that right you know what kind of narratives are you going to rewrite are you going to say uh every time we enter socialism is fucking venezuela and we're going to fall apart are we going to look at socialism as you know the great britain are we going to look at socialism to me i don't even go into the isms yeah because the isms are as soon as you go into the isms we have problems yeah i just go into like logic right logically you go okay we spend this on health care we we should spend less how do we spend less we gotta we gotta take all these people that don't

have it put them on a thing like your obamacare which everyone got mad at and it did end up being kind of a giveaway to pharmaceutical companies it was just the beginning of a really smart guy trying to reckon with that issue yeah going like what if we yeah put everyone on this right to be good yeah it was like what if we had an exchange for people yeah yeah yeah and it's fucking hard it's tough right but it's the beginning of reckoning with those issues where like i don't think anyone you know should be one car accident away from total destruction of their life yes and there's people in the world in this country that are they feel like that they have three kids they get in a car accident yeah they're being sued or they have now have a health back problem now they owe 80 grand the medical debt. Their life is over. We got to figure that way. But I'm also against like free college, free this, free that,

free food for everyone at all times. Not everything can be free. But there are certain segments of society where you go, we got to do a better job at helping people. Yeah, maybe that will bolster some confidence. I think that will get people back feeling better because the people that you're talking about it's not even the people that are fucked that are not confident it's people that drive through those areas it's the people that

are like in the suburbs facing it they're going what the fuck is going on here why do you think these rich people like saint bart's right it's a way but specifically nobody can put a tent up in the water that's also true yes given that some that some Thai guys have tried, they'll figure it out. But the thing about St. Barts, and I was doing a little research into St. Barts. State Barts, they don't have to drive through the tents. That's right. They never had an underclass of people there. I think it was like the Norwegians owned the island or something like that.

So there was never anybody there. They don't have to go through they never had yeah they never had slavery or anything on the island so it was people from the south of france that were like i want to get out of france in the winter oh there's this island cool so it's a bunch of rich people they get to be rich and there's no poor people where they have to feel bad about it that's right so they love it it's right paradise to them but what they're really saying is there's no tents right no tense is paradise yeah not everything can be saint bart's is there's no tents right no tents is paradise yeah not everything can be St. Bart's not everything

you're gonna have to have tents yeah and we can't keep like what is it closing ourselves off like you were saying earlier about like the bubble we can't keep

locking ourselves in these bubbles and that's what the fucking metaverse is gonna do you're gonna lock yourself in this bubble where you ignore these people and they're gonna sit there they're gonna get fucking furious

and they're gonna storm the Capitol and do whatever and then you're just gonna go outside they'll just be like Bob's going off then you go you shut the outside and they'll just be like, bombs going off and you go, you shut the door, you go back with the goggles.

Put the fucking TV on your face. Yeah. Yeah. So it's dystopian. It's not good. So maybe that is it. We need to acknowledge some stuff. We need to acknowledge it.

And without acknowledging it, we can't get better. So maybe we have to go through a tough time where we are acknowledging it's the critical race theory things. We are acknowledging all these fucked up things that

we've done so that we can start taking care of americans and then every one of these americans start feeling like they're part of this thing that is we only people you know somebody explained a big realtor in new york explained to me once what a lot of it's about and she said people have to feel like they have a vested interest in what's happening. Yes. And she goes, we're at a point now where more and more people don't. And she goes, people have to feel like they have skin in the game. So I think that's what it comes down to. Your boy Michael Che has this joke that I thought was really funny. It was about black people are really specific about their love for America.

Right. It makes sense. He goes, we don't love America. We love Brooklyn. love for America. Right. It makes sense. He goes, he goes, you want to love America. We love Brooklyn, whatever. Right. And, and,

but it's like, I want them to access that pride too. And I don't want them to have to feel guilty about that pride. So what do we have to go through? What do we have to acknowledge? What do we have to build back from in order for every black person, every Japanese person whose family also went through internment camps, everybody who's also been fucked

to also go, nah, this is our shit. I'm allowed to beat my fucking chest. I'm allowed to watch fucking Top Gun and be proud. See the flag. I'm sick of both fucking groups. And this is kind of annoying.

You see the extreme left and extreme right. I'm sick of both of them stripping everything I fucking love about the country. Like the extreme right, you're taking freedom from me you're taking free speech you're taking all the americana you see these fucking lunatics walking around it's like no i can't even right freedom is dope yeah and then the same thing with the left like anything tolerant

like i almost feel like i have to be slightly intolerant so you know i'm not pandering right right because you took it from me for sure yeah you're so extreme about your fucking tolerance that you made it hack and the right wing is so extreme about their americana you made it hack yeah i mean yeah it's it's i think what will eventually happen is we're gonna get to a point where we're what may save us is exhaustion what may save us is actual exhaustion we're gonna stop fighting because we're tired tired yeah and i think that may save us i think we're nearing that point now where people are like i think that may be our our greatest asset yeah is that people are gonna be tired yeah like some roman empire shit yeah people just go how

much more is there let's chill chill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, I mean, I think hopefully we're nearing that place. I like chill. You know? Tim Dillon, we love you. Thank you. We hope you survived today. Thank you for having me.

Okay. I appreciate it. Do not fuck around with that Alec guy. I'm not going to. I know he's legit. He's not a legend. He's not a legend. You know that. Yeah, you can tell him I said it. I'll tell him. He's not a legend. He's not a legend.

You know that. Yeah, you can tell him I said it. I'll tell him. He doesn't care. He doesn't. He doesn't care at all. What's great about a guy like that and why you'd really like him, he just doesn't care. Yeah.

He's one of those old school guys that came up not caring. Yeah. And if you told him how to care, he'd look at you like you were speaking Mandarin. Hey, Tim, he's an actor. That's right. He cares. He's a big anti-Trump guy. He cares a lot. He's a fucking actor. They all care, Tim. He cares

about him. He has you on the podcast. He cares about him. Because he needs a little jolt. I don't know if I'm a jolt for Alec Baldwin, things are going a lot better than I thought. Oh, you're gonna be a jolt. Well. You're gonna ruffle his hair. You're gonna do the Jimmy Fallon. Yeah. I'm something. You're gonna normalize him. I'm hoping that me and Alec Baldwin have a long career ahead of us, both of us, where

we can just go out and do whatever we feel needs to be done. Important word long. Yes. Okay? I love you, brother. Thanks, brother. Thanks for having me. Tell them where they can find you, even though they know.

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