Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Tim Tebow on Life as Florida Legend, Aaron Hernandez Tragedy, & Saving the Children

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

YERRR – the boys sat down with Tim Tebow. From college football stardom to fighting human trafficking, Tim opens up about everything – the pressure, the faith, the wins, and the hope. We’re talkin’: – Rejecting Alabama, trash talk with kindness, and Bible verses on eye black – CTE talk, ego battles, misconceptions, and Tebowing in the darkest moments – Aaron Hernandez, human dignity, and why compassion is a choice – Sextortion, shame, and finding your worth beyond performance – Plus: the butt fumble, and that iconic jump pass All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 00:00 Intro 2:07 Florida, College stardom + Rejecting Alabama 10:25 Phone-call celebration, trash talking & killing with kindness 15:41 Becoming the star QB + Being liked is fickle 21:18 Can’t use CTE as an excuse 22:48 Balancing your ego + Competitive over everything 27:11 Gambling in sports 30:15 Getting respect, College parties + Honor 34:13 Partying with basketball team 35:09 Why was Tebow national + Attention 36:39 Eye black Bible verses + Bitcoin is humming 46:28 John 3:16 + Feeling shame 57:13 Dyslexia = superpower + Visual learning 1:01:09 Praying to win + Power of Tebowing 1:07:45 Dealing with misconceptions + Voice of truth 1:14:25 “Hospital for the broken” + Confidence 1:19:25 Teammates interest + Having each other’s back 1:22:28 Aaron Hernandez 1:27:25 Where does Tim’s compassion come from? 1:35:38 Fighting human trafficking + Do something now 1:46:34 Access to the internet, Sextortion + Picking victims 1:51:54 How do you cope with this? 1:56:44 Everything leading to this + Valuing humanity 2:04:52 Worth only through your opinion? Seeking morality 2:08:23 Purity test, Boasting on Him + Humility 2:12:58 Is it hard to be proud of yourself? 2:14:57 Winning Heisman Trophy 2:17:49 Laughing at the butt fumble + Jump pass 2:20:53 How to support This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? Welcome to Flagrant. Today, we are here with the most incredible, successful, famous, handsome, handsome, Asian-American on the planet is Tim Timo. What's up for the tallest Filipino ever. For five years, yes. Five years. They've been back a bunch. But you left out of that intro also, the guy that's probably been cut the most in the NFL.

I don't want to get there immediately. You also performed quite a few cuts in the Philippines, as far as I know. I didn't perform. We have a hospital and we're sure to medical clinics, but no, I've never cut anybody. But you observed it. The guy on the bench still gets a championship ring. You know what I mean? You're there, you're part of it.

You're part of the process. But then what do you get for that if they get a championship ring? See, that's the ring. necessarily. All right, I'm sorry. I don't want to get you in trouble. All of these opinions are ours and hours alone. He is a humble man of God.

I actually really admire you, which is like, as a Hindu even, I think your relationship with God is awesome. You're a Christian, bro. You're the greatest college football. Yeah, sure, we're all the same. We're all one. God is one.

See, I did that? We got in there. Now he's down to one God, though. I'm just saying, that's a big deal for that. He went from a million to one. So this is a huge step. Okay. Look at that.

You've only been on here for five minutes. You already regret it. It's like two minutes. It's like two minutes. But I think you're great. I think your whole story is awesome. I think I'm just a big fan of you and how you carry yourself. And I'm very excited to have you.

I really appreciate. Thank you. Man, you got this universe, bro, and you brought her. It's amazing. I'm grateful she's here. It's like I was never really on special teams. Definitely not a kicker, but I definitely out kicked my coverage with her. Oh.

What did you do last night? You got in trouble? You know, it's crazy? This is just him. I've been watching this guy for, what, 10, 15 years? This is just who you are? Dude, can we go back a little bit to, like, okay, so we have a real Florida boy here.

You know that, right? We're in Florida. Yeah, Orlando. Okay. And Sarasota. I was owned for Lake Mary High School. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, we are also homeschooled, too, by the way. Yeah, yeah, also homeschooled. Yeah. Did you get razzed a lot also being homeschool? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My problem is that I wasn't like a 6-3 quarterback, so I fit the stereotype. You know what I mean? No, no, no.

The beauty and the beard and the outfit does not fit the stereotype of a home school. Mark is like a really handsome guy. Like, I'm not, I have no issue saying that. Next to you, he looks like dog shit. Okay, it's like, I don't know. Why does that have to come? Let's get some AC in there, bro. I mean, right.

I like this. I like this. I thought it was. Just the coffee, but it's getting hot here. You're feeling the pressure, man. It's election day. We just wanted to bring you in here. We needed a good Christian man.

To talk politics. Exactly. Before the city turns Muslim. So it's the big election. Okay. No, not power. How do we just move on from homeschooling? No, we're getting back to it.

You're drinking urine. What is happening? It's not. It's electrolytes. Oh, sorry. It's electrolytes. Okay. All right.

Is your own from your own body? No, no, no, no, just regularly. Okay, okay. So you're in Florida. Okay. Now, I grew up in New York City. This is New York City, as you probably know, it's not like a big college football town. It is not.

At all. At all. I'm like acutely aware of you and what's happening, right? So I'm like, okay, this is something else. There's like this, there's a different level of stardom. You're walking around like on college. Can you even go to class or is it something where like where people are going, this is too much of a distraction.

You can't go dirt. No, I still went to. I took a lot of pride in actually going to class. Sometimes it would be hard leaving class because there would be a lot of people that sometimes you wait, especially when it would come to Thanksgiving and Christmas because then they would all have like the jersey or the football. They would want you to sign to give to their family for Christmas.

That made it difficult. So can we backtrack a little more even so you go to floor? You're homeschooled and then they have a rule that allows you to go play football even if you're homeschooled. You play football. You win a championship, state championship with a bar. broken fibula? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it happened earlier, but yes. Okay. Yeah, we're slicing hairs. But, okay, so you win the National Championship. You go to Florida, what's that recruitment process like? Because my understanding of recruitment is they'll throw girls at you. They'll throw X, Y, Z at you. That ain't anything your decision.

With all due respect, with all the respect, obviously. We know his story. Yeah. So, but what's recruitment like for you? It's probably different than it was for Aaron Hernandez. Oh, I can't wait to talk about Aaron. But go on, go, go, go. I would say that recruiting was really unique and different from school to school.

And you know the schools that really do it well, like the Alabama's, LSU, Southern Cows, Michigan's, they do it really well. And actually, I didn't think that Florida at the time recruited as well. I wasn't even interested in Florida until my senior year. They got rid of the whole coaching staff, brought in Urban and Mullen and all these great coaches. and it really changed my... I was honestly planning on going to Alabama the whole time.

Oh, really? Yeah. Wow, that's ironic. Until the very last moment. And people don't actually realize how close it was. I literally had to tell the world on like maybe December 15th at 5 p.m. in the afternoon in an auditorium that was packed, half orange and blue, half red and white.

And I was so torn. I couldn't make a decision until literally the last second. And I'm standing outside with my dad. And there's a process that leads up to it. And I couldn't make a decision. And I'm just like, Dad, what do I do? What do I do? And he's like, all right, let's go back over priorities.

This is five minutes before I have to tell the world. And he says, all right, Tim, what are your priorities? And I say, that is what you tell me. It's the people. It's always about the people. It's the most important. It's who you're around. He said, I agree.

But can I ask you a different question? What if it's not about all the people, but it's just about one person? Because you can't get coached and mentored and trained by everybody. If you could just pick one, who would you pick? And I said, man, I love Coach Shulah at Alabama. If I could just pick one, it'd probably be Coach Meyer. He said, okay, and there you go. And I said, all right, I'm going to go to Florida.

Why Coach Meyer? Sabin is, I think we'd say the greatest. Sabin wasn't at Alabama. Coach Shula was still at Alabama, and then they got rid of him after the next year and brought in Sabin. You regret how it all worked out. You think maybe he could have gone Sabin, dude. I think he was still at Miami with the dolphins at the table. them high and driving them yeah but okay so you decided to go florida well so then i pick up the phone

and this is the funny part i pick up the phone to call coach schula to tell him i'm not gonna go to alabama because i tried it i think that's the right thing to do and so i pick a phone on and i was very close with him and his family and they're just awesome people and uh i was very close so i got emotional telling him and he's had some tears and i said coach shul i'm so sorry but i'm not going to go at alabama and he said timmy you stop right there i love you just as much now as if you came to alabama you're gonna have a great career and hopefully i get to coach you one day wow and i hang up the phone i look at my dad and i said dad i made the wrong that's the coach i'm supposed to play for that's the what i was supposed to play for and then i was like no no no i'm not going to guess wait i'm not going to guess

wait i'm not going to go to florida so i pick up the phone to call coach mire and i got like three minutes where i have to tell the world pick up phone to call coach mire i'm wiping off these tears from coach shul and alabama and coach picks up and he's like hey teefs how we doing and i'm wiping off tears, so he doesn't know their Alabama tears, but he's like, and I say, hey, I'm good. Hey, coach, I'm coming to Florida right before I say that his phone goes dead. And so he's in the car because he knows I'm about to make a decision. He's got ADD and he's trying to, you know, just drive to be able to relax. And so he stops and he's trying to get his Blackberry charge.

And I guess that's why it went out of business. I'm not sure, but he's trying to get charged back on and turning it back on and won't go. It's going to voicemail, voicemail. And they're like, you got to get on stage. So I rush onto the stage and I sit down at my family and some friends and And coaches are sitting up on stage and they've got a countdown going. Their ESPN's micing me up. My dad's sitting right beside me.

And as they're micing me up and they're literally counting down, I go, dad, dad. And he's kind of annoyed at me. He's like, what, Timmy? And I said, dad, I didn't actually tell Coach Meyer, I'm going to Florida. I could still go to Alabama. And so the audience, the audience can't, they can't hear me. But everyone, because I'm mic, everyone with ESPN can hear me. And so you can kind of see their.

like, what? What's wrong with this kid? They're like, what's wrong with this kid? And I'm like, Dad, what'd I do? And they're like, five, four, what do I do? And we go live and I answer all the questions at the end. They say, next year, where we be playing college football? And man, on one hand, it felt like a split second on the other. It felt like eternity. But going back and forth, I really just went back to what my dad said. And why I pick Coach Myers, I really think that his vision and his belief were different, unique, and contagious. What do you mean by that? that hope is a good thing, especially when we talk about it as like a faith-based thing. But hope for a college football team, it's a sucky strategy.

You don't show up on Saturday and hope is your strategy. Right, right, right. And there's too many that hope was their strategy. But for coach, that wasn't it. He would pull you into his office and he would, I said, Coach Meyer, I shouldn't say coach, you're yelling. And he would pull you into it and he would say, hey, this is what we're doing. But if we get you and we get this player and we get this player, this is what we'll do. Right.

And this is how we'll attack a defense. And so what I think great leaders do is they paint a vision of where you're at, but where you can be if you buy in and you get the right pieces. And that's what he did that was so unique and special. But then it's not just enough to have the vision. You also have to believe in it with your whole heart. Right. Right. You have to believe in it.

And those are two things that I felt like were so contagious and the best leaders do. They have a vision. People can see it. You can communicate it. You can command it. Right. But then you believe in it wholeheartedly. And that was contagious for me.

so I really felt like at the end, that was the turning point. Okay. I'll go through a wall for this guy. I mean, even if it's the way he said that. We're going to get to some of his speeches. He got some, like, you got some all-time speeches. But, okay, so you get, you go to Florida. I think, is it your freshman or sophomore year?

You're backing up Chris Leak and you're used kind of like a utility player. And I remember seeing you running for a touchdown, and then you did some, like, phone celebration. You were talking a little smek. That was LSU. It was LSU. That was L at LSU, and that was because they got my phone number. and I had

I think it was the old what was it called? The razor. The pink one, right? And I literally I could not flip it open and close it without answering a call. Like they leaked your number. Yeah, they leaked it

and whatever. And so, I mean, it was all day. But the stuff was, it was not like trash talk. It was like vile things they're saying. Yeah, it was like my mom's name and we're going to burn her at the stage. And it was like my sister's names and what they were going to do to them. And some were, I think, just playing.

But some just take it way too far. Right. So when we went to that stadium, I was very upset. And so when we scored that time, I ran over to the student section and said, dial me up. Keep calling. Let's go. Probably not the most humble thing I've ever done. This is funny.

I was also very, I was just personal. No, I know. And I didn't know that back. And the announcers said, this is my introduction to you. They said, you know, Tim Tebow will talk a little smack to you or something. And I was like, oh, he's like a cocky guy. I didn't know you as a God-fearing person, whatever. And then I found that out.

But I was like, oh, he'll still talk a little trash, which I think is cool. Were you talking some shit? No, not really to the players. I wouldn't like necessarily talk. A lot of trash. We had a lot of players on our team that were really good at that. I could let them do it. So there was a few times that they were.

so funny, like, talking trash, like, at the line of scrimmage, like, I would verbally laugh. Like, what was the best? Who is the best on the line? Oh, well, I love them very dearly, and this is just positive, not in a negative way for them, but the pouncy twins are just, they're just the best. Yeah, they're just the best. Okay, what would they say? What is that? A lot of stuff that I can't repeat and won't repeat, but they would, they would know. certain things about the detackle or defensive ends, and then it would just be a constant. They would just keep going through a roll of decks

and just wearing them out. And see, for me, it's never like that. It was more of just like when I'd get tackled, and there would be a lot of stuff that people would say or spit. Like, you know, we made a big deal about spitting. I can't tell you how many games someone spit on me. Spit on real? Oh, a lot.

Yeah. And they didn't even know you're into that. their mistake jokes on you but one of the best ways that I've found to really bother people

is and really get under their skin is truly with kindness and I don't say that as a joke like I would get hit and if I beat them up and I was like

and they're saying something you know that they're trying to get in their mind I'm like man that's a great hit dude God bless you man I appreciate you I'll see you next play like it would drive

some of that you're nuts And you're like, what do you say? You can't say that. I've had so many that would say, you can't say that to me. And it was like, why am I going to, I'm not, I'm not going to play the same game. Yeah, that's smart. That's been, you lean into what you are. You know what I mean?

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So I'll see you guys there, all right? freshman year you all won the national championship you beat osu i believe right yes yeah and then so you're kind of utility guy what's that like when chris leek leaves the starting qb and it's like now it's your show and i remember there was hype about you but like yeah i don't think we knew how you would lead an offense etc yeah i think there was a lot of um i think two things one there was i got to play a lot of crucial moments most of the time i got to play it was the red zone third down fourth down so when i'd run into the game you don't get first and second down to prepare right so you that really helps you though because when you're you're thrown in there you're playing in a critical moment of a critical

game right right so you you don't have time to kind of warm up i think that really helped handling the pressure then for the next year but there was a lot of um externally i mean the pressure the noise like i think they won the basketball championship too they we did it was awesome but now you got to repeat the pressure it was unbelievable it was unreal they were so awesome to my heart he helped Mads won a championship with one amazing playoff game. I love him forever. But you won two championships with us, so I'll always love them too. But the pressure that's

on you coming in, off of that success. Yeah. And people don't trust you as a QB yet. No, and I think a lot of where they were skeptical of, can you do more than just third, fourth, down, red zone? Can you be a quarterback, a full-time quarterback? Or can you actually sustain getting hit

that much? Can you actually play that physical style of football? And so there was a lot of criticism. And so, there was a lot of criticism that took place and leading up to that season and I just I've always been a people pleaser I think one of my

big flaw for me is being a people pleaser that's how we got you on this podcast no but it really it really is a you know sometimes it can be an okay thing but sometimes it can be a downfall of course right you want to please people and I remember just hearing all of that noise and criticism

going into that next season I remember reading a book about Winchin Churchill and he has a quote or he says if you have enemies good it means you stood for something at least once in your life and I thought dang can that really be true how can it be good to have enemies but you see one of the things about Winston Churchill is this was the time in his life when most of the world couldn't stand him the allies thought he was losing the war and everybody else was his enemy right but he stood by his convictions in such a way that maybe they couldn't understand it but later they would come to respect it and one of the the things that

kind of switched in me that I still have to work on on a daily basis is trying to go from being liked to strive to be respected yeah because there's a big difference yeah like could you imagine on social media if it wasn't a like button if it was a respect button yeah what would be the difference though yeah you get a lot less of those most people would but but in my mind you know Sometimes I just try to make things very practical. It's a really good point because being liked is oftentimes just repeating what somebody else feels or thinks. Yes, and it's fickle. Yeah, it is fickle because the second you divert from their feelings, they hate you.

Yes, you say one thing we agree with. You say one political stance, one faith-based stance, one stance on anything you're convicted by. And if it just likes, you know, then it's gone. But it's deeper than that. If it's based on respect, which ultimately a hope and prayer, for our society is we would take the next level of honoring and respecting people, not just liking or disliking people, because it's so surfaced and fickle. Well, yeah, that's the, that's like the dehumanization problem, I think.

Wow. Where it's like, you get this like two-dimensional view of everybody. And I think the internet kind of, uh, I would love to talk about it. Yeah, no, like, I think you have a very unique perspective. But just to get it out is like, yeah, you don't really see people as like full people. You see them as these like digital avatars, right? So there's this, like, people have an idea of you depending on, like, what their existing beliefs already are. So there are some people. Or what the media has said. Exactly. But like, and they have these stereotypes that are built out.

Depending on what the media says, right? Because there's a bunch of different, like, media platforms right now. Like, the people that like you will get the good things that people say about you. That's right. And the people that don't like you, we get the bad. And neither of them have an accurate idea of you. Yeah. The people that praise me, they don't see all the flaws. And the people that hate you, they don't see your heart in trying to do good and there's a mixture and i think that's one of the things that was a lot for me of feeling just not enough sometimes when i go into a stadium especially in college early on was man even with all your success yeah but it's almost bigger it was like if this goes good then i'll get way too much praise way too much praise that you don't feel like

you deserve no that it's for the whole team we had to freaking amazing team and it would be too much praise for this but if there's if we lose then you're going to get criticized by the majority of the country and you're just kind of this is what there's a tension in the weight i'm sorry i don't want to interrupt you i want to give context for people who don't know college football in the south where you went to college especially it is a religion these are 18 19 20 year old kids for some people more so yeah it is people are so if you went to alabama you went to like people that's all they care about there's nothing else for them it's this so that kind of pressure on 18 19 year old kid walking into a stadium is a lot man

i just want to give some context to what that is it really is it's it's a lot it's uh for a lot of countries maybe they could compare it to some the intensity of soccer in certain places uh where my wife's from they could compare it to rugby or cricket yeah yeah yeah but she also gives me a hard time she's like no all you football players are soft because all our rugby players they don't need to wear pads so you all got to wear pads it's the pads that are dangerous Like, not, I mean, that's what they say, right? It's like not wearing the pads you're going to hit someone in a specific way. Especially the helmet, right?

You're talking about, yeah. Yeah, but once you have all the pads on, it's just like, all right, I'm just going to just dive into full speed. That's also why I can't remember what you just said. Exactly. Do you ever lean on the CTE? Hi, I'm Tim. When she's asking you to do stuff, do you ever see?

That's that movie where he has to keep repeating yourself. But do you ever do that with her? Like, do you pretend you have it so you don't have to do chores or? Oh, that's smart. Yeah, that's smart. No. Never? No, she's way too smart for that.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like a full-time excuse. Yeah, you have that in the back pocket. I think my dad. I can't remember. Sorry. Because my dad, he has, my dad, he has dementia.

But like, for a long time, I thought he was faking it to, no, don't, because I think he's happier. Because he just gets away with everything. Like, he just, like, he'll just be, like, inviting the boys over. My mom's like, I can't remember anything. I think he might have been putting it on for like the last decade. He's so happy. He's so happy.

My mom says shit. forgets it immediately happy oh nice the Lord works a mysterious wisdom you can't just say that when you want to I'm just I'm looking at this is a beautiful gift optimism beautiful thing from God okay so first year I want to just talk really first year when you're the backup the first year like you seem like a team guy

right I imagine like you want to root for the other players on the team but you're also someone who believes in yourself and ambitious, competitive. How do you manage that? Like, what if, were there moments where, like, yeah, I think I should start? It's a really good question. And the answer is yes, and the answer is that it's very hard. And that I will also, and I still have to do this.

I have to work on, like, I would try to show up with the mindset of, like, I'm competing with Chris, but also for him as a team. What do you mean? What do you mean for him? that I'm on his team and he's on the same team I'm on. Like when I get to go in the game, I'm trying to do good for him

so he gets a comeback on the field, right? We're competing for each other. Like in practice, you're competing against sometimes. But you, I think average competitors, and I mean this more in a mindset, not talent, average competitors want to beat someone when they're weaker. Elite competitors want to beat people at their best.

And I would challenge myself, No, I want him to do good. I just want to do better. Are you? And I think also, to answer your question, I would try to show with the mindset and the kind of the redoing of my mind every day to say, like, no, I'm going to root for him. I'm going to praise him. I'm going to encourage him.

I'm going to want the best for him. Am I going to want to do great? Yes. But I'm going to choose to root for him. But it's a choice. It's a choice. That's the thing. It's not always emotion.

Your emotions and our pride and my ego and all of that, it can get to you. And if we're not fighting against it, that is a daily moment-by-moment thing. That's interesting to me because in order to have the competitive drive to reach the levels you've reached, oftentimes the people that have it do not have that other compassionate part, right? Where they go, I really want that person to win as well. That is something that you have to turn on constantly. Now, are you competitive at every single thing in your life? Yes. Okay.

Okay. So, like, ping pong. Yes. Relentless. Yeah, I don't play it a lot, but I, like, doesn't matter. Whatever we play, I'm very sure. I beat the shit out of you, Tim. Probably would.

He probably would. He doesn't believe that. We don't have the pouncy twins talking shit. Okay. All right. What is, where is that drive right now? And give me, like, a game. Not in terms of what you're doing, in terms, affecting the world, the charities,

all these things. What is, like, the game that you can be relentlessly competitive at? Is there anything? For him, it's paddle. Golf, pickleball, probably now? Pickleball. Oh, are you not a pickleball fan? No, we said it was such a paddle, bro.

I played paddle. I play paddle. Or Padell or whatever. Is it? You're mocking me? No, no. I like this. This is trash.

This is what I like. This is what I like. Okay. No, I would never. I'm sure it's a wonderful game and you're very good at it. No, no, no, bless your heart, though. I mean, it is like the rich man's pickleball, I guess.

You're rich. You're the richest Filipino in history. No, many, yeah, me a package. He's gambled away. No, okay. Pickleball is a fun, like, older people thing, but you're a young man still. Have you ever played singles in pickleball?

Yeah, I've watched it. No, no, no, no. I've hit a couple, you know, it's ping pong while you're standing on the table. It's adorable, but I feel like you, you could really be effective in paddle. I think I just want you to try it. I'd love to play. Thank you. That's what I want us to get.

Totally open to that. Yeah. It's time in New York. Yeah. Aren't you allowed to hit off like the glass and stuff too? You can hit off the glass. You know. I don't really know all the rules, but I'd love to learn.

It looks fun. It is very fun. And I think I've heard it might be wrong in this, but I think I've heard that it's like the fastest growing sport in the world. It might be. The way this guy talks about it, I thought it is. He's a ringer. Isn't it? He's been playing for three years.

Tim's a race, dude. You can tell. It is. He's ropedoping you right now. It is. This is what he's doing. He's buttering me up. Let's put some money on it.

Yeah. It's just put a little something. Do you gamble a little bit? I'm pencil whipping. Yeah, yeah. Do you gamble a little bit? No, just, you know, we're just considered a different form of tithing, right? I like that.

Can we do prop tides? Yeah. So, yeah. So now we're under. but you know what's always fair like if there is a wager then it's like okay you can give to the charity of my cause but i lose give to the charity of your calls so i like this much better i actually don't gamble on any sport that i play yeah me neither because i'm just like me of course i know but i don't what about like wally were playing is that happened at all is that a big story in the news now

No, no, I mean, that would never happen in sports. Why would anybody do that? Why would any of these NBA players be, like, pulling themselves out of the game for no reason? This is, like, a real issue. I honestly don't know much about it. I just heard from the news, like, of obviously what happened in the NBA.

And I really do think it's important that that is not a part of any of the game. Because if people lose trust, then you lose credibility. This is your least controversial fans. Yeah, 100%. but it's so easy with these prop bets like back in the day you had to throw a game you know what I mean like now you could just get less than eight rebounds

and then your buddies can make a bunch of money so what do you think there's someone on the side line or the you know court side that's like hey you got they got a signal to him you got seven rebounds yeah they're keeping track I'm sure it's rebounds I can believe that I mean it's proven that's the accusation that's you got arrested for it like they found out

But also, like, the thing that the people gambling don't understand is the betting sites are so sophisticated. They can tell when a lot of money comes in on an obscure bet. So immediately they flag it until the NBA. Isn't it crazy, though, with so much of these games, how close they are with the lines? Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. You can bet who you can guess who's going to win, I think, with fairly decent.

But, like, the spread, I can, you're never going to beat it. It's so hard. I don't know how they do it. They know every piece of information. They know everything. It's crazy. Yeah. Okay.

What are we talking about? We were talking about Aaron Hernandez. No, no. Yeah, we'll get there. I have a quick question. Sorry, just to finish that one point out. Okay, so you're competitive. You're able to root for your teammates and you're able to root to the guys that you're competing against, but it is an active choice.

It's not something that, like, maybe comes the most naturally to you because being competitive is probably what is instinctual. It's very instinctual. and it's that drive. But then I also feel like that when you, it gets easier when you're able to bond with teammates and you go through collective suffering.

Yeah. Right? Then there's such a deep level of respect and hardship that it becomes also easier. How do you get your teammates expect? Super Christian guy, you're not partying with anybody.

I assume I don't drink. But does it mean that you don't go, this guy doesn't respect me? You go, don't hang with them that you don't spend time. that you don't have fellowship, that you don't have relationship, that you don't, I think sometimes that's just- So that wasn't an obstacle at all. No, I don't say it's not an obstacle.

I would try to spend time and hang with my teammates, but there's also like areas where they, you know, like you just- You go to the party, you shouldn't partake in the stuff. Some of it, yeah, and it's just, I don't know. I think I was just trying to figure it out. How do you do it? What was that like? No one trains you for it. You just try to- No, what was that like? You walk into a party as you. and Florida.

What is that? I know your wife is here, but it was a crazy. Girls are losing our minds. Girls are losing our minds. People would cry when they saw him on campus, dude. This is also what I want to ask you.

When does it go from people are, the dehumanizing is also on the positive end. Tebow mania. When do you feel that thing hit? We're just going to jump off the parties real quick. Go to the parties. Do you just remove yourself when it, because it was almost,

you're like a boy band at the time, right? It was that type of sensation, right? Do you go, I just got to get out of here. Yeah, sometimes, but then you're like, I can't let this not let me spend time and have fellowship with my teammates. Right. It's like, I don't know what I'd say. I just did it imperfectly and trying to figure it out. What did the Pouncey Twin say?

They're always supportive. No, but when you were like, when you're like, listen, I'm waiting, I'm waiting until marriage. Like, I'm 100% waiting. What were there? They're awesome. But was there? They're the, there's no jokes. There is nothing.

There is no fun just amongst brothers. Yeah. I mean, honestly, not really. People, it's only when the media brought more of that stuff up. Yeah. It wasn't really a, like. We got two guys here that waited for marriage, by the way. They were so supportive.

One and two. Well, waited for our wives. Yeah, waited for our wives. That's waiting for marriage, right? Yeah, we ended up married. What do you mean? My wife and I had sex before we got married, but those were the temptation. You were the only people.

The temptation of lust, bro, the carnal pleasure just got to me. I tried. I tried. I was 31, dude. I'm sorry, dude. I'm sorry for trying to bring you there. I want him to feel comfortable. A bunch of heathens on this couch.

This guy is a... He calls me a virgin every day, and now I'm all of a sudden a heathen. Oh, my goodness, bro. Anyway, sorry, I apologize. Back to you, a real man who believes, like my friends. Can I pick apart something he says? You said 100% not partaking. I know a lot of Christian people growing up in the South

who were like, I'm not having sex until I get married. That meant one specific thing. Yeah. And I think... Talk to me. I think for me, too many times I made it about rules, do's and don'ts. Like what you're talking about when really, I think one of the most important things is honor.

is that I would honor my future wife and I think there are so many times I didn't do that in so many areas and my actions, my words, my thoughts, and fell short in so many areas. And most of the time it's because you're like, okay, what's the boundary, what's the area, what's that line rather than what's right, what's right for my future wife. And I think that's too many times had the wrong idea and the wrong goal when it's not about the do's and don'ts. It's about choosing to honor her.

That is beautiful and you took all the fun out of all of it. He's a good guy, man. Forgive him. Forgive them for what he did last night. Forgive him. Did you ever go to parties with the basketball team? And you guys both win national championships and then you guys are chopping up together.

Now these guys are in the NBA. Yeah. We would be, I mean, Al and Joe Kim and Corey and Lee and all those guys. We'd have some classes together and just it was awesome, though, just the support from one another. They win the championship. Billy Donovan comes to talk to our team and the, you know, and they went back to back and we went two out of three. And it was just, and honestly, our swimming team, our gymnastics team, our baseball team, it was just dumb. Like, it was so many of the teams, it was like,

but this is what we do. Oh, let's be honest. It's the number one public school in the country, too. Sorry about it. Oh, really? Yeah. I believe so right now. Yeah, UF is a good school.

Really? I'm shocked by this. Harvard is a lot. No, that's good. The Harvard is South. Wow, that's funny. I'm still trying to understand what was going on, like, because I'm a New Yorker.

We didn't really care about college football, but I even heard of your name during that time. Like, what was going on that, like, it was national news everywhere? Yeah, that's a great question. What do you think it was? It was so compelling. It's a good question. You know, I think that we're blessed with a lot of success.

And I think success puts a lot of eyeballs. And I think that doubling down on the basketball team and all of that. I think that led to more and more. And then, I don't, I don't know. It's just a, it's a good question, you know. Why do certain things go? No disrespect to your team. You were the, by far, the head of that attention.

Yeah, we had a lot of great guys. No, you had a lot of, you were a great team. What do you think it was about you that drew so many eyeballs? I don't, I don't know. But you know what's interesting. There's a lot of times that I didn't want them. did you like the attention for things and at times but there was also times when i was like man i just want to go play and times i think it made it a lot harder i think Denver and new york

and other places that made it a lot harder some of it what was the first game you put the uh the i black john 316 uh i believe it was my junior year i believe it was tennessee um and you know i'm homeschooled lefty dyslexic so man i it is not legible at all austin you get it yeah i think that's what it is so i had to have one of our trainers write it on and i was sorry that wasn't john three six that was philippians 413 and i wore that um and we were blessed to to beat tennessee that day given us tennessee um but we would um i was wearing it under my eyes every single week and you know as you are talking about the fans are so passionate after four or five weeks they start literally selling it like on the side of the stadium and stuff of and you

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Yeah, and it obviously stands for a coordinated universal time. That's what UTC obviously translates to. Oh, it's Spanish. Is that what it is? When they do it backwards? But it's still not backwards because it should be C-U-T. Anyway.

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Yeah, it's like a disease, gay. In your butt. There's something like that. I like that. But it's the opposite. You know, what is autoimmune deficiency syndrome? Is that it?

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I mean, right now is that what, 100, 5006? Let me look up. What is what is what is how she have Bitcoin at at the end of the year? I mean, people are saying it's going to hit 150. So let me look at this right here. By the end of the year, there is an 8% chance on Cal Sheet if Bitcoin hits 150 grand with two down arrow with two down hour rec that's very important to understand a two down arrow wreck yeah yeah so it was a 10 percent now is at eight yeah okay all right shit 150 by the end of the year people are saying by june is at 35 percent 150 that's pretty good yeah i mean that's kind of a nice little arbitrage right because you could get a bitcoin and then on top of that go to calci and be like double up man kind of nice right but what if it doesn't then you then you double

But then you also double-down. That's a big double-down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a double-down. Or you can hedge and get one and get one on the other. So you get one and the other and then you make zero dollars. And then you're right back where you work. Exactly.

Get a Bitcoin and bet it all there. That's central time. Yeah, exactly. That is 100% UTC. That's 100% central time. Yeah, bro. Money magic. That's what it is.

Yeah. All right. Well, listen, let's get up. Let's get up. You got some Bitcoin. We all got a little Bitcoin. Yeah, a little something. I'm up.

I'm up $100. I'm not trying to brag, but your boy's flush. Wow. There we go, dude. That's what's what's up, man. What about you, Al? I'm up 50. You're up 50?

Yeah. That's pretty good. That's why you dress as an undercover cop in the subway platform? He needs an arm man. If you had a sweatband on your wrist? I would never jump a turnstile. Never my life, brood by the turnstile. I'm booping.

Why are you acting like you haven't seen you a thousand times? Get out of here. If you had the North Face boots on, if you had the North Face, if you had the Gortex Nike boots, now you're getting closer. You're 100% of police officer. Now you're getting closer. But all black? That's what they were, all black.

No. With an emerald necklace. They have the Yankee jersey on. And they always have a bad. You had the Yankee hat. It's close enough. Yeah. But it's a bad fitted?

It's a bad fit. They would wear a bad fit. Come on. Come on. Come on. I'm fly with it. What is that fitted with the flower in it? It's just a little rose going through it.

Just something special. Something special. Oh, it's something special. You didn't know it was actually special. Hold on, hold on. Just so I can understand. When I asked what is it and then described it, and then you described it back to me.

You said a flower. I had to tell you what type. Oh, okay, got, got it. But I meant like what brand was behind it. Oh, I don't know, nigga. The fuck. Damn. Bro, remember when you called his necklace

to Emerald Tablets for Trump? Billy Carson was a chain snatch, you. I thought he was coming in to get Avery, it's not fucking roasted I'm sorry, it's right there. Anyway, man, let's get back to the show.

Yeah, let's do it, I guess. I think we were already back to the show. Let's bring Hotgast back to him. Let's bring Tim Tebow as well. Let's bring the other people that are here on this show. We were playing the SEC Championship, number one versus two, us versus Alabama. And man, for

games, I just, I really try to be like so tunnel vision focused that I don't look around. I don't want to see people. I just want to go look at the smallest common denominator, something that I've done over and over and over again. I just want to do it and do it a little bit better. So I don't like look around, take in the environment, because I think that's a lot of times when pressure gets to you, right?

You think about the what if, what if we win? But as we're getting ready to run out of the tunnel, there are these fans that are hanging over the edge of the tunnel. And so they're like kind of their hands are wiping by me. And I just peek up like this and I see, I look up and I see this whole line and so many of them are wearing Philippians 413 under their eye. And it just, I don't know, something different hits me in in my heart where we run out the tunnel. And usually for me, it's I run right to the 30 yard line. I do three drums.

I do three sprints from the 30 to the goal line. I do three passes. I go get three snaps. I go over the first 15 plays. I do it again and again and again. Just try to block out everything else and focus on the task at hand and focus on the obstacle. which is that defense we're facing, period. Like, you're not thinking, don't let your mind drift.

But my mind started to drift because I see this and it just starts impacting my heart. And you think, man, if we win, we'll be playing the national championship. For some reason, it came to my head, like, you need to change the verse. And so we won in the next six weeks leading up to the national championship. I kept really contemplating and agonizing over it. But I really felt that I was just supposed to go with John 316 because as a Christian, a verse that sums up Christianity in such a clear way. For God so loves the world, he gave us one and only son that whosover believes in him

will not perish, but have eternal life. And so I decided to go to that verse. And two nights before the game, I went up to my parents' hotel room in Miami, Florida. And I said, hey, mom, dad, I'm going to change the verse. And my mom, she's so supportive. And my dad's like, have you told Coach Meyer? Because he says he just likes his routines, but that dude is so superstitious. This is crazy.

So he's like, you need to tell him. So the next day, we have our walkthrough and I finish, we finish our little walkthrough through and I say, hey, coach, can I talk to you for a second? He's like, yeah, what's going on? I said, hey, you know the verse I wear in and it by. He's like, yeah, Philippians 413. I can do all things for Christ's drinking with me. I love it.

And it was like, yeah, yeah, I was like, yeah, well, I'm a plan to change that verse tomorrow night. He's like, what are you talking about? You can't change the verse. That first got us here. You know, and I explained to him why I felt. compelled to change the verse and and honestly i i didn't really think about it a lot after that there's the next night i put it in my eyes and we were blessed to win the national championship and two days

after that game i was in ballyhoo restaurant gainesville florida my mom and my dad and coach mire and we're sitting down having dinner and coach mire gets a call and he's always so intense he's like hello uh-huh what is it tell me again what do you mean seriously okay bye and i'm like coach will was that? What happened? He said, that's Steve McClainer, a PR guy. And I said, well, what did he say? He said, he just got all the statistics in. And he just told me that during the game, 94 million people Googled John 316. Crazy. Wow. And I was sitting there and I was like, my first thought was, how the heck do 94 million people not know John 316? It's like one of the biggest verses that is like, hey, welcome to Sunday school, John 316. And, but I remember just sitting there and being so,

overwhelmed at what a big God we serve and he can take the small little loaves and fishes when we feel like it's just a little and he can multiply and do whatever he wants with it. But then I think a mistake I make a lot is when God does something, but you kind of put him in a box, right? You're like, oh, that's cool, but it's done almost. And my favorite part of the story is exactly three years later when I was playing for the Broncos and we're playing the Steelers in the playoffs. We play this game and it's overtime crazy game and I still think it's the fastest overtime in NFL history and we win and after the game I change and I'm going to do the press

conference and you know I always love talking to the media. It's my favorite thing. And I'm getting ready to go do this press conference and Patrick RPR guy steps in front me. He's like, Timmy, do you realize what happened? And I'm like, yeah, we beat the Steelers. We're going to play the Patriots. That didn't go well by the way.

And I said, yeah. And, you know, we're going to play the Patriots. And he said, no, it's not what happened. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's what happened, dude. And he's like, no, you don't know what happened. I'm like, Patrick, what happened? And he said, Timmy, it's exactly three years from the night that you wore John 316 under your eyes, exactly three years to the night. And I said, oh, man, that's really cool.

That's so awesome. He said, no, you don't get it. And I said, all right, Patrick, what don't I get? He said, also during the game, you threw for 316 yards. Your yards per completion were 31.6. Oh, wow. Your yards per rush were 3.16. The time of possession was 31.6.

And the ratings for the night were 31.6. And during the game, over 90 million people, Google John 316, it's the number one trending thing on all social media. You want to go to heaven or not, man. What else do you need? Where do you want to go? Where do you want to go? Where do you want to go?

What's going on? That's what. God is being. obvious with that one. That's where there's like, no doubt right there. 31.6 million people watching? Yeah. Whoa.

So, um. Some good ratings. Yeah. That was some good ratings. It's a great game. Yeah, so. The ratings. I remember standing there and...

He wasn't doing that for the Philippians one, huh? The Patriots had that one the next day. They won 41 to 3, actually. Thanks for rubbing that, air. But I remember standing there and I didn't celebrate because I actually felt a lot of shame and guilt. Why? Because I knew my heart and my intentions that night and they were to prove the doubters wrong. They were to show that I could do it and they were some good ones to support my teammates, but I was just so convicted.

like, almost like God was breaking my heart saying, you thought tonight was about a game. Yeah. And that's what you wanted it to be about. It's never just about a game. I didn't send my son for a game. And I was just really convicted and, um, you thought, I was shamed.

You felt, you feel shame because your desires were selfish? Is that? I felt ashamed because I felt like at, on the throne of my heart at that moment, it was about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I walk in and go to the press conference and they're asking me some basic questions, but you can see all these reporters.

They know, like, they know all this. But, you know, they don't really feel comfortable asking all this. They're like kind of leaning to the side. Like, I tell me, what about all of these numbers, you know, three years from that? You know, they're trying to figure out how to even ask you the question. Reporters have the data. They're not convinced by it, but they're also like, this is a pretty peculiar question. They should ask him, but they can't ask you.

And so they're like, uh, so something to the extent of, you know, so Timmy, all of this and 316 and all of these three years from, pretty big coincidence, huh? And I remember saying something to the extent to the guys that were beside me, you know, it's media all around to the guys who are beside me, well, you could believe that it's a really big coincidence or you can believe that we serve a really big God. and I think that's something that we all have to figure out are we all here because of some massive coincidence and that's we're all here or are we here because there is a God

that actually loves enough us to create us in his image on purpose for a purpose and are we really going to believe because if you just believe it's a big accident then what purpose do you really have? What God believes in Michael Jordan is it the same one you think the god that believes in michael jordan the framing of the question really

yeah yeah he believes in michael jordan yeah god's got to believe in you too right doesn't it go does it not never go both ways he can't breathe life into you but he's not going to believe in that life that he breathes framing of questions matters a lot okay yeah what's a better frame

of it. Well, can I point out one thing? That was a really valuable lesson and you change your behavior moving forward. Y'all got your asses beat the next week. Yes, we did. Because you weren't selfish enough. That's, you know, that's kind of a thing. God gave you that selfishness just for that day to make that miracle happen. Reframed that. Yeah. And then he's like, I need this. I think too often people want to make it about a game. I don't think anything about that was about a game. I think it was a game. I think you underestimate how much God loves football is on Sundays. They could have been on any day. That game was, man, like, he enjoys it.

He likes watching you go out there and cook. He's into it, I'm telling you. I think, yeah, I think there's a lot going on. Did you all ever see some of the S&L skits they made about that? No. They were so stupid and funny, but it was like, you know, all just joking about me praying beforehand, but then, like, you know, Brady and Belichick and all the memes after they beat us from the next one. some of them were pretty clever yeah what was it saying about brady and velichick i can't remember

they were way too long ago but they were funny though probably that tom brady was catholic i'm just saying maybe helped a little you know maybe that is a good point he makes a good point his dad was gonna become a priest his dad was going to become a priest and then didn't and then had tom brayne he gave his one and only son to the game of football he did too that he did too that he didn't give his one I think that's a pretty sacrilegious statement no no no thank you I think God loves us equally obviously I think he loves you more than Tom Brady but that's just me personally that's just me personally that's just me personally and I roasted Tom course you don't believe that I don't believe it I'm just saying I'm always curious because like I went to a Christian school

and like we would pray before games and sometimes you went to your kitchen table No, until the fifth grade, until the fifth grade is cool. Yeah, I don't know. Until the fifth grade, bro. You're just, I wouldn't do a great grade school. You went to home school. What are you talking about great school? Until the fifth grade.

I mean, in fairness, like, we didn't even have anyone to cheat off of. Yeah, that's the point. That's true. That's true. Eliminates her in temptations. You were dyslexic. You couldn't even read that. That's true.

You and she get her wrong. I can't. You have to hold it. Were you really dyslexic? I am dislexic. To this day. What do you get something that all of a sudden you're like, you have puberty and it changes? No, Tylenol.

Like asthma. Tylenol. You get the Tylenol. It reverses it. It reverses it. Yeah. Extra strength. I didn't know that.

So to this day, to this day, it's still difficult for you. To this day, it also matters. Am I dyslexic? Yes. But you didn't, there wasn't like a hit you took in the league where you're like, all right, I shook that off. Or like, it just switched it. It switched it.

Yeah. Now, now I see the numbers, yeah. No, I actually really believe that dyslexia, like one of my nieces has it, and she calls it her superpower. Wait a minute. Why is that? Because there's a book, if you're interested, you're probably not. It's called The Dyslexic Advantage.

Pouncy Twins over here. It's called The Dyslexic Advantage, and it actually talks about how it's not a disability. It's just a difference. So most people think inside of a box. Dyslexic people, we think way out. outside of a box and you just think very differently. It's also a reason why there's a higher percentage of entrepreneurs that have dyslexia than the normal population because they've had to adjust and think outside the box and they naturally

do that. So they're naturally, and there's like, I think, four main ways that dyslexic people think outside of a box, like there's, you know, different forms of creativity and narrative and different ways that they process. But like, for me, I do not see things inside of a box, which sometimes I think it hurts for normal things like in a classroom study and essays but then it also really helps for a lot of other things like you know certain forms of creativity or a different way to get the job done you know a different process to do it so i think there's pros and cons with it just like anything was there

struggle for you with like reading playbooks no one especially once i figure it out how my brain learned so i'm a kinesthetic learner i'm not an auditory learner so if i if a coach just stands up there and just tells you all this stuff it's not going to work the same as if i can visually see it and then walk through it yeah and so you learn how you learn and that really changed a lot for me and i could then memorize so much more and so much faster do you create the worlds uh or do you create the spaces for your memories so people who have like kinesthesia i think is what you're talking kinesthetic yeah so it's like kinesthesia I think that there, no, is that not it?

It's like a specific type of memory in which you, like, create these spaces and you attach the- Like visually? Yes. Great, like the memory palace. Exactly. You attach the memories to these spaces that you can imagine. So you're like walking in a door and then this thing happened. I don't know if I'd think of it exactly, but like when I was getting back to the playbooks,

when I would do that, I would like be, you know, I mean, your dorm or apartment or something and then I would like close my eyes and I would visualize walking through it in the defense we would play. where they would line up and when i started doing that was also very helpful hmm and what about scripture difficulty reading i mean that's it seriously like it does it make it harder to yeah it makes it harder to just read and read fast but now there's so many apps you can get on new version bible app or do whatever it'll read to you and right um so yeah that's also something i think it's good not to just speed read through though yeah take your time yeah one of the things i was curious about those like

Before games, I would have, like, coaches that would pray. And then some of the kids, I feel like they would be praying, but they would be, like, praying a win. Yeah. And I remember as a kid being, like, the other team is also praying to win. Like, I feel like this, like, the Christian sort of, like, prayerdom within, like, competitive games. Like, sometimes I would be like, I don't know if God cares about, like, this game and this exact moment and who wins. So I'm curious, like, what was that dialogue? And not to Delvin's, like, your personal relationship.

Right for injury? No, but, no, I think it's a really good question and it's important. And I think there would be a couple takes on it. from my opinion and i don't know if they're they're right at all just be my opinion i i wouldn't discourage it because i really believe that god doesn't want us to have rehearsed prayers now there can be really good prayers but i really feel like god wants our heart and i do think it's okay to say to god god i really want to win this game i really want to do this i really want but then i think it's even more important to say, but if it doesn't happen, I still want to trust you more.

Right? And I don't want to put my faith in this game or this thing or this corner office or this job or this podcast or whatever. I want to put it in you. And so I don't discourage people from showing their heart. I actually believe that we look at scripture and you look at the life of David. And man, he just poured his heart over and over and over to God in praise, in fear, and doubt, and unknown in so many ways. But then you look at how he'd sum it up, too, and say, I'd go back to, but I'm still going to trust you. And I think that's something that's really important.

And for me, you know, so much was made about, like, T-Bowing and prayer. And it was really weird and hard for me, too. So when it's weird that something that's really important is also just a meme. Some people do it to support you and some people do it because it's about prayer. You had one of the first social media memes ever with T-Bowing. I mean, and I still have so many people to this day all over the world in all countries that would be like, hey, I want to show you this picture of my kids T-Bowing. And I'm like, you know, I'm like, yay. I don't know.

You thought it was reductive? No, I don't know. I don't even know how to process it part of me. He says, man, I'm grateful prayers being talked about. Like, I think that's a good thing. It's awesome. Absolutely. You know, but then, man, you just don't want it to be about me.

Oh, that's interesting. So you battle with this idea that people are, now deifying might be the wrong word, but they're placing you on a pedestal when, the whole point of you doing it is to put Jesus on the pedestal. Well, yes, it is. A couple of thoughts to that. One, it wasn't something that I started in college or the NFL. I've done it.

I think every game since my sophomore year of high school. Yeah, yeah. It's not a dance move that you're putting on for attention. It was also something that I needed to do because I needed because I know that what my pride and proclivities can lead me to. And so I would try to find that quiet space starting my sophomore year in high school and just give it to the Lord, win or lose. God, let me trust you. Let me love you more than this game. Can I ask what that means, what your pride and proclivities would lead you to? Yeah, just that I wouldn't make it that when I was mentioning before, what's on the top? What's on the,

what's on the throne? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, because if you ask me, I could give you the right answer. Right. But if you cut me open and you could really see what's on the throne of your heart. Yeah. Is it what you say? Oh, dude, that's great. Too many days, it just wasn't. So, so this idea. And that's just trying to be very honest with you. So you go, you score a touchdown and like the knee-jerk primal instinctual reaction might be to like have this crazy celebration.

There might be like arrogance and pride. And so to remind yourself not to do that, to fall victim to whatever those instincts are, you're doing this T-boying thing. And then it's memeified. Well, I think that's also where the media picks it up and it gets back to here where people think I did it as a touchdown celebration i don't think i ever did it one time as a touchdown so no again i only did it pregame and post game oh i'm not even i'm not even saying like i thought it was because that's what it gets reported yeah i thought it was it during like game winning kicks or whatever you'd be on the on the knee and then people thought you're oh i would do that too yeah yeah yeah

yeah but half the time you're just taking a knee because you're tired yeah like that's interesting so it never happened after like a touchdown celebration i don't think so no maybe after the game ended, you know, at the end of a game and it would be end to end the game as a touchdown maybe, but it wasn't like a celebration. It's not a celebration. I understand what we're saying.

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Let's get back to this God-loving Tim Tebow. Let's get back to the show. I would love to get your perspective. and we kind of touched on it a little bit earlier, but, like, right now with the internet, there are essentially a thousand different realities, right? Like, we talked about this earlier. Like, there's a thousand different versions of you.

There's a thousand different versions of me. Whenever I meet somebody, I don't know which version of me they think I am. You know, like, do they think that I'm this guy who, like, struggled to get, you know, get pregnant with my wife and then, you know, wrote a comedy thing about it? Do they think that I'm some guy

who did some lunatic thing on a podcast? Like, who do I know? You've been going on, with this from before the internet has turned into this behemoth. What do, how have you dealt with the world where there's a thousand different versions of you? That's a good question. Did you feel the need to like correct them? Do you ignore it? Good question. Um, I want to ask you how do you want people to actually see you,

but I can answer the question first if you want me to. I can answer that. Uh, I think after, having a kid, I cared a lot less about how the world sees me. I think before that I really kind of defined myself by like my work and that was like my identity and like as long as these things were going well, then I, and the way that people pursue. I also put my identity and stuff far too often. Yeah. I have to battle it. I would say that probably one of the areas that I want to always correct is when people put me on a pedestal, one of the first things that I say is that I don't ever deserve to be on that pedestal. I always want to try to take myself off and put Jesus on the

pedestal. Because if people watch or look at me long enough, I will let them down. And is it a fear of letting them down? Well, fear is part, but it's also, that's, I am, you know, sometimes because of of the media and the hype of certain things and whatever, it's just like, well, you're this or this or this and you're praying and you're this. And it's like, no, it's, no, man, I'm a screw up that is just that I'm, I'm a screw up that gets. How funny you say that. Like I, I, you know, if you look at, so I give you an example. When, for my freshman year at the University of Florida, we'd, for home games, we'd get on the bus and we'd drive to the stadium, our stadium's called the swamp, And we would get out about a hundred-ish yards away, and we would walk down something called the Gator Walk.

And for an average game, 10,000, 15,000, bigger game, 20, 25,000. Like, it gets you ready to go. Yeah. Like, and the first couple times, it was awesome. But then, man, when I started walking down it after the first few weeks and stuff's going good and we're winning and playing, and there would be people that would be wearing my jersey. And I'd have these thoughts and these voices in my head of, oh, you're somebody now. I'd have these voices of like pride and arrogance. And then I'd keep walking in there.

It'd be a mom or dad with their son or their daughter. And they would say, hey, I just want you to know you're our son's role model. You're our daughter's role model. And I wouldn't have confidence in it. I'd actually have shame. And I would just want to say, no, sir, no, ma'am. Not if you knew me on my worst day. I wouldn't be their role model.

Not if you knew my worst thoughts, my worst actions, my worst deeds. I wouldn't be their role model. And then you keep going and there would be always opposing fans that would be saying stuff and I would run and retaliate and I would be angry and that would be its own voices and it there would always be near the end even though there's not supposed to be media, right? There's somehow always media and you always see it. They're walking right in front of you. The camera's literally right in front of your face and they're asking some, you know, grandiose question, you know, and it would start to hit me this fear of you're not enough. And I thought, man, I can't do this every week because I think all of those things are true. You're not enough for their perception of you or you're not enough? Just to handle all of it.

There's the fear of you're not enough. And so then I started, I thought, man, I can't listen to all these voices. And so I started putting, it was back in the day you had that old iPod thing, you know, you have to circle thing with the headphones. And I would hug on my teammates, and I'd be the last one to walk through, and I'd put my headphones on. And I would listen to a song by Casting Crowns. You've heard casting crowns? Yeah. And they had a song called The Voice of Truth, and I try to remember lyrics, but it would say,

The Voice of Truth tells me a different story. The Voice of Truth says, do not be afraid. The Voice of Truth says, this is for my glory. Out of all the voices calling out to me, I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth. And for me, the voice of truth is God, God's word, and God's promises that, yes, I am a sinner, but I'm saved by grace. I'm no longer defined by my scars. I'm defined by his. And I'm more than a conquer through Him who loved me.

And yes, I have fallen short, but Jesus didn't fall short on my behalf. And so I could hold on to his promises because although those things are true that I have thoughts of arrogance and in all of these areas I fall short, that's no longer my identity. is in those things. That's no longer how I'm defined. That is not how God sees me. And so I get to hold onto those promises and remember the voice of truth. And then I get to meditate on the voice of truth. And so that's a long way of answering your question, but of trying to go back to God's work and his love for us. And remember the greatest love story rescue mission of all time is the life of Jesus. And what he did for us on our behalf and to remember that. and be focused and filled with that.

And yes, that makes me want to take myself off of any pedestal and put him on it because he's the only one that deserves it. What's interesting you say that is we... I think we feel us on a much smaller scale, but I think we're quick to be like, nah, don't put us on a pedestal because we are going to fall off. We're not perfect. But what's interesting, I think, is when I'm hearing you say it,

I'm like, nobody expects it to be perfect. They just think the way you live even as a flawed person is worth admiring. Well, I appreciate that. And I do think that there's an expectation for perfection sometimes. I think sometimes. Uncarily so. Both are right. But I also think it's, that's not Christianity, though.

Yeah. This is, I think it's so important because it's just not shared enough. How would I paint the picture? So many times we talk about Christianity like it's a museum for good people, and it's not. It is a hospital for the broken. Yeah, yeah. Period. This is, it is not this place where, hey, you're pretty good, so you're welcome.

Yeah. That's not Christianity. Like, Christianity is that we suck. Jesus didn't, and his blood counts for us. That you're broken, he's the healer. We're lost. He found us. Like, and it's, it's, and so that's a big heart of why it's like, no, man, I will let you down.

he will never let you down. He is the ultimate redeemer and healer and reconciler. And I want to point to him because I know my worst days, my worst thoughts, my worst actions, and I know I will let people down. But if I point him to him, he will never let them down. So while I'm listening to you talk about this and your reluctance to, I don't want to say, like, build yourself up. But sometimes, you know, in a competitive moment, I mean, I've never competed on anything at your level, but there's this version of Padel.

Just Padell, you're working, you're not even close. I'll be the Patriots. You're going to call me the Patriots every time we play Padell. Do you, like, deflate the pedal something? No. He got it. He's good. Okay.

So, I, this, like, there's something happening as you're speaking, and you basically, I don't want to say. like deflating your own ego. Maybe you would say that that's a fair thing. But sometimes in order to achieve great things, people believe that you need to almost fill yourself up with these lies to cover the doubt that you might feel. What lies? Not lies, but like, I'm unstoppable. I'm unstoppable. I can do this. I'm going to go out there. We're going to be victorious because you have these voices in your head, not you. One has these voice in your head like, what if we don't do it? What if we lose? And it's like you're basically trying to build yourself up because there's a million different voices telling you why you're not good. Yeah. I totally, I think I get.

that, but that's where I was going back to that song of the voice of truth and remembering, okay, this isn't how I'm defined. I don't have to live in the sin, shame, and guilt, but I get to remember, I'm more than a conqueror through him who loved me, and he has placed me here for this moment. He has placed me here, and I can have confidence in where he's placed me, and I don't have to live in that sin, shame, and doubt, although it wants to fight to create back in, but I get to live in a confidence because when we go back to hope, I believe that the best biblical definition for hope is to look forward with confidence, expectation, and anticipation, right? We get to do that.

Yes, this is why I'm very happy that you said the word confidence specifically, because I think a lot of times for people maybe who weren't raised in the church or haven't been, you know, aren't like devout Christians, right? There is this version where maybe some of us are seeing you, what we would say, maybe like harp on the things that are quote unquote, wrong about you, or like sins, right? And what we don't realize is that you can accept those things about yourself because Jesus has already died for them. When you don't add that other component,

there's a hyper-fixation on all the bad things that you do consistently. And I think to somebody on the outside, they might go, like, how could you have confidence if you're constantly tearing yourself down with all these bad things? but true belief that somebody else bears the consequence, or it's already bear the consequences for those things, man, what a weight off your shoulders, like to be able to confront the things

that you struggle with every single day, knowing that you're forgiven for them. And that you're trying to pursue life where you're... You're not afraid of them. You're not lying to yourself constantly. Yeah, you're not chained, you're not shackled by them, but you're still walking this journey out,

trying to grow and improve day by day and you take steps back and then you try to take a few more forward and you grow again knowing that salvation doesn't come from our works it comes from his finished work but that in a way to try to grow closer to him love people love well you try to improve every day yeah there is a um i'm trying to like make some sort of uh relation to people who don't believe but maybe who have gone through therapy and they've started to confront these things that they have just kind of ignored or kept somewhere and they've found that their life is better

being able to confront them than when they just kind of compartmentalized and like they were always there pulling at them but they didn't really. It's like meeting these things is incredibly valuable for self-growth. And yeah, hearing you talk about it without the component of somebody else

has already handled this for me. So I'm not afraid to confront them. I think that's massive. Were guys coming to you in the locker room that maybe had no relationship with Christ that were saying like, hey, what was that first? What was that thing you were saying before? Like, what did that look like?

Sometimes, but I think sometimes the picture is painted that it's, you know, one or the other when it's really, most of the time, a bunch of people from different backgrounds, different faiths, different communities that come from that loved one another and we just have a lot of conversations. about a lot of stuff.

And a lot of these guys probably grew up in the church, too. A lot did, but then you had people from all sorts just working, figuring out, talking about it. Hey, you know, and you talk about, like, hard things. Like, there's a lot of hard questions to answer. Like, what was difficult? Oh, I just, it's for everyone. Like, hey, man, there's so much suffering in the world. Like, how can a good God let so much suffering happen?

Would somebody pose that to you? Yeah, I mean, for sure. That's one of the first, is the first thing that I was, would say is our God is not far from the suffering. Our God is makes it very clear that he is near to the brokenhearted. When we look at Isaiah 61 and you look at Matthew 2540, one of my favorite verses, um, he said, whatever you've done to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you have done unto me, like in commanding us to care and love those that have been treated as less insignificant, viewed, dehumanize, um, put in tough situations. Like that's our God.

is near to it but our god isn't just near to it in that sense he's near to it and that he took on the flesh and took on flesh and lived a perfect life but chose to die at death that we deserve to die and he took on the sin of all of humanity upon himself so that he would be the ransom for many scripture says he was the ransom he took that on himself like our god is not far from the hurting he's not far from the brokenhearted he is near and when scripture tells us that our god is near to the brokenhearted then it's been one of the most convicting things to me, if he's near to the brokenhearted, then I should be too.

And I should be too. It's a big part of why we do it we do and feel gone to do it. Do you feel like guys on the team would have like shame around you, that they saw you living a specific lifestyle, then maybe they weren't, and they'd be like, oh, Timmy's here, we gotta put that away, don't do that. I hope not, I don't think, I don't think many times, no, because I think they're, I think what surpassed,

surpasses that is love and that we weren't viewing each other for the good or the bad but we were just viewing each other that's my teammate that's my brother I love him and I want to serve him and we man we have been battling together and we have a common dream and vision and we were really close there's a lot of stories that gets told about our teams the one that's probably the most profounded true very rarely gets told that we've totally had each other's back and people because it doesn't sensationalize even erin of course it's so hard for me to talk about it for a lot of reasons one because we just loved him very much yeah yeah getting emotional talking about it i don't want to put you in uncomfortable place.

Not that. I don't mean, now I feel, I know. And his family. You know, it's tough. Obviously loved him very much. Yeah. Did you have a relationship with him outside of football? Yeah.

And like in the professionals as well? Yeah. I mean, I was signed with the Patriots not long before a lot of that went down. Yeah. And it's just hard what he went through. And I mean, I think there's a probably a probably await that I feel really yeah like you could have done something should have like but also you got to understand your responsibility do you think that is do you carry that

sometimes yeah but I think that um you know when people ask there's a reason that I don't say anything because why would I talk about it when he's still so much of his family has been hurt and gone through this and it's easy for people to just talk and make shows and highlight and also not always share all of the sides of it yeah they don't share the other sides of him they don't share how hard certain things were for him they don't share the you know it just doesn't take a full picture like you know he um had to go through a whole lot but he was also someone that a lot of times was trying and you know he's a young man that did a devotion for six months in a row with me a lot of times.

And Coach Meyer, a lot of times, he's, you know, just the whole picture should be painted. I just think it's not, they don't, you know, there's one of the stories that they tell is, you know, me and him are at a restaurant and they frame it as a bar, which is a bar, but it's also a restaurant, I think it's maybe Sunday evening or Monday evening. Schillings is a bar. Yes, it's, and it's, I can't remember what time, it's always claimed, it's late at night. It's like eight o'clock or something. And he, long story made short, he gets into an alter, I can't even say that because it's not fair to him. What certain people were saying

to him was so horrifically evil that we're trying to leave. And what people are saying to him is so mean and racist and dehumanizing to him and I'm standing in between a few people and they just know these are the football players they're they're just trying to go at him and more so than me and it's i also feel like that was wrong no you should say that to me you know and he was so patient over and over and over again they're saying this and their finger poking him and you know it's super disrespect Yeah. And we get downstairs and we get almost all the way out. And I keep saying and saying, I'm saying, we're good. You got it. Come on. Keep going. Don't listen. You know? And man, it was just kept going. And they kept poking him saying all these things. And he turned and he busted the guy's eardrum. And

I stood there I had some people take him to another place for him be safe I waited cops came, talked to all the cops, told him everything that happened but that story is painted like oh no this guy just looking for trouble he's looking for trouble and it's like

I'm not defending him not defending his actions I'm just saying when you paint the picture like you have a lot of compassion yeah it's a beautiful thing but people it's just obviously there's some horrible things that he did of course i'm not defending that whatsoever i'm just saying if you're talking about him would you at least try to paint it accurately

that's like a three-dimensional version of a human being this is what we were talking earlier and i wonder if like well i'm curious where you think your compassion comes from because i think now especially it's very brave to show compassion to people who aren't like internet perfect it's like very easy like when somebody's like perfect on the internet to be like yeah they're a good guy but when people like aren't perceived to be a good guy and still look at them as human beings i think that takes bravery now because there's always going to be scrutiny attached to that a person i think that we should be treating everybody like human beings especially the people that we disagree with and a lot of times there's this mudsling contest that exists on the internet that is shouldn't be a choice yes

everyone where does the compassion come from um i'd probably say The start of it for me was when I was 15 years old, and I was in the jungles of the Philippines, and in a very remote island, Philippines is made up of over 7,000 islands, many of them very remote. And in a very remote island, and I met a boy who was born with his feet on backwards. And because of that, his village treated him as less than insignificant and cursed, and he was a throwaway to them. And they treated him as equal to the trash. And I just fell in love with that boy. And I knew that he wasn't a throwaway to God, but I also knew that God was pricking my heart saying, yeah, but what are you going to do about it? It's not enough to feel something.

What are you going to do? And that was really the start of what I believed the first time I felt called to something. And then I went through college and the first thing I did when I graduated, because this is before NIL, right? You couldn't have a foundation in college. You would have been a trillion there. Oh, my God. But one of the first things I did was start the foundation with the mission statement, just thinking about that boy

and all the boys and girls around the world that are suffering like he is with the mission statement to bring faith, open love to those needing a brighter day and their darkest hour of need to sum it up as to fight for people that can't fight for themselves. And that was very impactful for me. and there's four or five other stories that really wrecked my heart in the best way possible. So it's 15 years old.

Severe emotional reaction to seeing the way that this kid is being treated. Yeah. And you feel compelled to do something about it. Yes. At this point in time, would you say your faith is as strong as it is now? Was it, you're still trying to understand it? Like, where are you in your journey? Yeah, good question.

definitely a believer but also you know figuring out figuring out what does that mean what does that mean for my life what does that mean for actions what does that mean to feel called to something and i couldn't have necessarily articulated in the same way then i remember coming home and i's uh writing the testimony of this and like i don't even know how to describe what just happened like i do you talk to your parents i did i talked to my parents and um i still have that testimony that i I wrote, because I wrote out the story of when I got back, and that boy has been a big inspiration for a lot of stuff. Is he still involved in your life?

Do you know? I've never seen him again. Get out of here. I mean, it's a remote jungle. Yeah, how do you get in touch of them? I'm just like, this is way before all of the internet and everything, but wow, wow, wow. So if he, if he's, you know, God willing still around, does he know the impact that he's had in your life?

So now we have a hospital in the Philippines. It takes in all the boys and girls like him, and we operate, and they get wheeled in, and they walk out. And that's one of my favorite things we get to do. That's amazing, man. We got to find this kid. There's got to be a way. All right, guys, let's take a break first thing. Listen, you know, it's tough to find the right people for any team.

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you know there's other stories that led you into other fights but then where my what else what else i'm really curious about these like i'd say where my life really got impact and and one of our biggest fights is the fight against one of the worst evils in the world and that's a fight against and trafficking and child exploitation. And that started not long after I graduated college. And my dad, who's a pastor missionary, was in a country where faith isn't allowed. And he's in an underground pastor's conference. And he... Which country? I can't tell you. Oh, wow. And he's from, he gathers pastors from all over. So the underground locations... It's like early Christianity. So they don't get arrested and they can go back to their village and love on their communities.

And so they're in an underground location and my dad's with these pastors and there are other people in this underground location. And then some men enter with four little girls and they start an auction for these four little girls. And one of the reasons why my dad's just one of my biggest heroes and role models, he's just not someone that can look away. It's just, it's not in him. And so he takes out all the money in his wallet, which was about $1,250 for the rest of the trip and to get home. and he's able to purchase the freedom of these four girls. Wow. And then after he, after that, he calls me and I'm like,

hey, dad, how's a trip going? You know, what are you up to? And, you know, I'm not ready for the response. He's like, I just bought three girls. Four, four, yeah. And I'm like, what? I just couldn't help but say, what did all the pastors do? Because these are people that are called and commanded to love, serve, right?

And he said, I don't know if you want to hear. Like, what do you mean? What did they do? And he said, nothing. And I said, why? I said, because they had really good excuses. Like, you know, the man that you just gave that money to, they're probably going to do something evil with it,

which is probably true. But go say that to those four girls. And it's so easy. And I was so convicted by this so many times because it's so easy for us to find ways to make really good excuses. Like, oh, no, I'm going to do it one day. Hey, one day I'm going to serve. One day I'm going to be part of something.

One day I'm going to make a difference. And we live a one day life. And we missed so much of the impact that we could have made because we just focus on us now and maybe other people later. And so after I had this conversation with my dad, not long after I got to fly to this location. And by that point, we had already gotten to start caring for more kids and the first little girl that I met that ran up to me. It was a little girl that didn't make enough money one day. And her mom being in a place of desperation and frustration. took her and boiled out her eye.

Oh, my God. Because she thought, if you can't make enough money this way, then maybe if I make you look worse, maybe they'll give you more. And I just, whoa. Trying to figure out what do you say to a boy or girl about what love looks like about what trust looks like about what a heavenly father looks like

when their thought of love is just the first person that raped him and they have no idea about trust when their idea of a father it's the person that sold them what do you say and I still don't know that I have any form of a good answer

except I know our heart is just because insistent, show up again and again and again for every one of these lives that we are called to serve. And that was a big catalyst for me to get into the fight against human trafficking and child exploitation and even worse than that, forms of child sacrifice and just a lot of evil takes place around the world. Do you think the Americans are aware of how prevalent this is?

Can you like, it's really difficult to hear you describe these. but can you maybe paint a picture to yeah it's hard i'm grateful that you even want to ask to talk about it i just think that we hear about it in like a movie or something like that's like an abstract yeah and i so to give a little bit of a context for it um we'll get to that in just a second but um so there are more people that many experts believe that are in slavery now than ever before 50 plus million people that are in slavery. The slavery business is about $236 billion a year business. Jesus. That's more than all the NFL teams combined with a lot left over. And it is one of the worst evils in the world. And it is happening all around the world at a massive scale, but it's

also happening right here in the U.S. And right now, this year, somewhere between, between 300,000 to a million people will be trafficked in the U.S., and so many of those will be minors. And trafficking is a horrible, horrible evil. But also something that's really important to highlight is that the exploitation of the traffic. No, the exploitation. So a lot of people bunch them together, but they're a little bit different. Trafficking is primarily done for profit. Exploitation is primarily done for pleasure.

So exploitation is done on the, mostly, most of the time on the internet, and there will be like peer-to-peer networks that someone download a peer-to-peer network and they will share child videos and they'll be part of groups that goes back and forth. And we just think this is happening, you know, over there somewhere. But I pulled something just for you guys. Can y'all pull that up? You see that? Those red dots? This is New York State. That every red dot is a unique IP address that is downloading and sharing child images

and videos, and that's just the last 30 days in the state of New York. Jesus. And is the FBI arresting these people? Well, do you see the blue dots? Those are the ones that are being investigated. So just investigation? The blue dots are the ones that are being investigated. But if you have a confirmed IP address that's sharing this type of content.

So it's a good, it's a good conversation, but and a lot of people will say, well, how are they not doing more? Our law enforcement can areas get better, of course, but our law enforcement is so undermanned. It does not have many places, does not have the best tech. They are under man. There is a few people that are, their job is this. It is not a lot. Like we have, you know, we want to talk about all these things and they can't, you know, and defund them. Listen, when you defund them, you're not actually caring for these boys and girls.

I think we need to escalate how many hires we have, especially in victim identification to keep these boys and girls safe. It's one of our bills in Congress is the Renewed Hope Act is so that we would hire more victim identification specialists to be able to identify these boys and girls so that we can knock on that door and go safeguard that child. Why do you think that this is not unanimously supported or even spoken about? Like, it seems like... Well, you've been speaking a lot about it. Of course, you guys have, but like...

Why is it not amplified? Yeah, like I said. I think it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Well, we wrote our bill specifically in a way for right or left, because for us, it's not about politics. It's about people, especially people that are suffering. And this is trafficking, except this is just trafficking down the hall. Yeah. The number one offender in this, biological fathers.

No way. Yes. do you think people aren't doing more about this because we feel oh this is a problem over there i think that is a big part of it yes i feel like we think it's just over there and over there meaning overseas overseas we think it's taken leom nison we think it's all of these other things when it's not we have so much issues that are so many issues that are taking place right here in our country and i could keep going off list we're the number one buyer of for boys and girls around the world.

America is. Meaning like videos of it? Yes. We pay for the rape of boys and girls in the Philippines, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Thailand. Like, we're the number one buyer. In peer-to-peer sharing of this information, we're third worst in the world. China, Russia, U.S., and Italy's fourth. Like, this is one of the worst evils in the world.

And people think, well, we're not doing that. Yes, we do really think that. I know we do. And that's one of their, you know, our hearts is to get this, you know, message out to be able to make change and then support our law enforcement and task forces that are working on this because there are some freaking heroes that are fighting this every single day, but they do not, they do not have as good of technology most of the time as those with the goal to do evil.

They just don't. And they're also, do you know how hard it is for these law enforcement officers when you wake up every day and you watch a video of an infant of an 18 year 18 month old a nine month old when you watch and that's one of the number one burnout rates for law enforcement is when you do that and I think that I think it's something around three years for them but you take a year to be trained up and now you're your burnout now you got to bring someone else on and it's like how do we have the who wants to do that I mean as much as you want to stop it like somebody has to I guess watch and verify the this is where I can honestly be

But it's where we're working on a lot of AI and there's a lot of amazing AI and there's great AI. There's AI that we're investing in and trying to build up to give the law enforcement. There's facial recognition. There's pattern recognition. There's RFID. There's so many things that there's a lot of people trying to fight back against it. It's just they don't have the, it doesn't have the same awareness.

People aren't talking about it. Like, in my opinion, this is one of the worst evils in our country and it's something that people don't want to talk about. I'm trying to process the disconnect because it's like people do care about this issue. They do. We won't drop the Epstein thing because we think that's the only child sex rink going on. And so we won't stop talking about that way. But if people knew it was this widespread of a problem, I think we would actually do something about it.

So how do we like fix that discount? Yeah, there is a there's a huge discreet of it. And so what ways can people actually combat this? Obviously, you mentioned the bill, but what are the other things people can do? Well, I think, first of all, being aware, keeping your kids protected, knowing when they're on a device, one law enforcement officer told me, this is how you need to think about it. When your kids get on the internet, you need to think about it like this. Like you took them to a playground, you dropped them off, and walking around that playground

are hundreds and hundreds of pedophiles or groomers that one, to hurt your child. That's how you should think about the internet. So would you not let your kid have a smartphone until they're much older? I don't know. We don't do screens. Our daughter's three and a half months old. We don't do screens in our house. But that's on my wife. Yeah, but we are making, we are in the process. I mean, there's so many, there's one of our friends is making a device that is for phones. It's already out now. It's called harm block and it does not allow pornography on your phone, you say, well, is that going to really help? Well, this is one of the big issues is if it does not allow pornography on my phone, then I also can't get sex storted. So that's

another big problem, slightly different than this, but there are so many people in other countries in Nigeria alone in 2024, Medda took down, I believe it was 74,000 accounts that were trying to set sex-stort American boys and girls. Yes, they will act like they're a pretty young girl and they will try to get a photo of you and you send them a photo and then they extort you. And then they extort you and then this is also leading to a lot of young kids deaths. Yeah, because they're so embarrassed that they end up killing yourselves. Yeah, they do. And so it fights against that. It also alerts the parents if your kids are getting groomed because what happens if your kid gets kidnapped? Everybody's looking for them, right? Right? Here, you would have all the NYPD. looking for your kid. What happens if your kid runs away? How many people are looking for them? Not many. Not many. You have a couple officers that will look, but not many. And so those with the goal to do evil strategize and work together many times better than those with the goal to do good. And so why would they kid kid when they knew, hey, I can become friends with them. I can be on

their gaming. I can be on their sites. I can befriend them. I can find the vulnerabilities. And then I can just lure them out. And then when they're lured out, gone, then missing, you know. And especially we look at the children that are being trafficked. I believe one of the last statistics I saw were 61% of them comes from the foster care system. Yeah. So they look for kids with vulnerabilities, right? They look for kids that are trying to find a home. I want to be accepted. I want to be loved. I want a place to belong. And I believe all of that is in us. We want to belong. Of course. We want to be a part of something. And so I know we're getting around a lot of areas, but the reality is there's a lot of people

with a goal to do evil. And if we don't fight back and there's not an army against them. And I mean an army of people that in every phase that in technology, in law enforcement, in politics, in awareness, in media, and people with loud voices, and people that are protecting in technologies that aren't just investigating them, but keeping kids safe, it's a battlefront on all of these areas when you have a business that is that big when you have um the goal to do evil that is that strong like i'll tell you one one offender said to a good friend of mine who's been fighting us for a long time he said he's interviewing he said how did you how did you pick

your victim specific his victim how did you pick this victim and he said it was it by skin color was by hair was it by size no no no no no and he's like you answer no to everything how did you pick your victim he said i watched and i watched and i watched to find the happiest kid oh no because i wanted to find the happiest kid so i could steal her soul Whoa. How do you deal and process this? Like you're hearing tragic stories probably daily. Like, I'm sure it becomes like a burden on you.

Like, how are you dealing with it? Don't you believe in capital punishment for some of these guys, man? I believe that there is a, um, there's a big difference. And people say, shouldn't you have grace for them sometimes? Yes, behind bars. where they can never touch another kid or child. Yeah, forever. If that's their crime, it deserves it, yes.

That is haunting. And by the way, I should say this, I should say this about this. Just kill them, bro. Just kill them. Every one of these offenders that are downloading and sharing this, 55 to 85 for sin or hands-on offenders, and your average offender has 13 victims in their lifetime. So every time you take one off the street, you're protecting multiple kids. them out just take them out but yeah how do you how do you do you do this is a good

question Alex um I would say that um that we have gotten to see a lot of evil in this world and there are a lot of people with the goal to do evil and I do believe that there is evil but I also believe that there's good and there's a God who's good and I feel like there is a battle every single day but what i also get to see is not just the evil but it's what happens when light and darkness meet light wins every time and i would um let me see if i can i'm not supposed to have favorites but one of oh you see we pulls up i can't share this to the screen but that's what's happening around the world oh wow what is this is These are like abducted kids?

No, they're murdered. Oh, God. Oh, oh. Tim. But, uh, like, I still, I don't understand. How does not give you like PTSD, extreme depression? Similar to the cops. Let me add on to that, like, outside of your faith, do you have therapists?

Do you have like support system? Yeah. My wife and our team, they're amazing. And we do have a lot of people that speak into us. And they're amazing. And sometimes you just need to go. and share, but I'll share this, because I think it gives a little bit of an example to how it helps coping. We're not supposed to have favorites.

This young girl would be one of mine. She had to go through that evil. for seven years and in the middle of her evil that she had to fight she wrote this every night when she would come home she would have to do terrible things with her siblings with visitors people online all sorts of horrible things and um can barely see it She wrote this. My dark mask was worn at night. While at school, I would put my pretend smile mask over my dark soul trying to survive another day until I ultimately lost myself. I let the darkness fill me and I wanted to die.

I wrote a poem from the words that ran through my mind and heart over and over every night. Rescue me. Help me. Monsters are chasing me. Can't you see? monsters are whispering can't you hear monsters are shouting you're nothing can't you feel my pain monsters are pushing end it all just jump can't you hear all the wise i'm asking monsters are laughing you're all alone in this can someone please rescue me and um when she wrote that i knew that she was talking to me and you get to see what the evil someone has gone through at the hands of people that just don't value other people, or they value their pleasure or profit more than they value the dignity and honor

and worth of another person. But if you look at her life now, she's thriving because she was in a place where she got care and she got loved and it was wrapped around and she could finally gain trust in people and humanity again in place of belonging. and now she's in Bible college, and she's figuring out either if she wants to go be a lawyer or go be in ministry, both to be able to help boys and girls that were in her position. And I would say that's how I cope with it, is you get to see someone that is in that situation.

But it's amazing what can happen when you truly love in an honorable way and protect in an honorable way, in value, and create a place of belonging, what happens to these lives. they can thrive again and their life can be different and they have experienced something that i mean that's why so many of them were just my heroes um but they can find that hope and a new beginning and a new joy and a new song in their heart and that's what i hold on to more than anything else do you feel like your journey through everything from college to nfl to now this work do you feel like it was leading to this specific project all of it did you feel it in the moment where you like oh there is something greater that's beyond this

i don't know maybe i think that uh from being 15 to all the way you knew that it's it's not just about a game but what does that look like how does that actually you know what's that look like in the practical but um through some of the stories i shared and a few more it was just Every time I had the biggest heartbreak and fulfillment at the same time, it was caring for those that were suffering. My heart was broken for it, and in caring, there was the most fulfillment, more so than they're ever in a game or championship or award or praise, anything. There was just no comparison. And I felt like it was just a reminder from God, this is what I want you to do. That's where you're supposed to be.

Have there been more challenges in this work since becoming a father yourself? Or has it strengthened that call? It's a good question. It's hard to say because how can people get to a place where you can take one of the youngest girls that we've been fortunate to care for, got rescued at 25 days old. And our dollar is just a little bit older than that. And I don't know how to answer except I think it's only made the resolve stronger. There's nothing our little girl can do right now. Like she has to be protected by those that were put in a place to care of her and protect her and love her.

And we cannot let individuals that want to take the vulnerable and take advantage of them. We cannot let that happen as a society. When you don't care for your vulnerable, it is absolutely the decline of a society. We go back to Nazi Germany. What did they do before the Holocaust? They had the T4 euthanasian program where they called Life Unworthy of Life. for those that had special needs or disabilities and they poisoned them and put in the gas chambers and killed over 275,000 because they viewed him as life unworthy of life, called them mercy killings.

Euthanasia just means good death, right? So a society that doesn't value the marginalized or the vulnerable is a society on decline. And you know, when early Christianity, there were some people that would say, That's the religion of women, of slaves, of children, because in some of those societies, they were the ones that were viewed as less than. And all of a sudden, here comes Christianity that's like, no, they ain't less than, not to our God. They're not less than. There's nobody that is less than.

Everyone is made in God's image. And they're worthy of love, and they're valuable to him. So they should be valuable to us. And I think that's something our society, whether you believe or not, You should believe that every life has value, not just when they do something that is valuable for you or to you. And that's where we're at right now, is when someone does something that we don't hold as valuable, we devalue them. And that's a slippery slope. Because we're not talking about value.

We're talking about utility. That's right. Yeah. If you don't have utility for somebody, then are you useless? No, you're still a value. You're still a human being. but it's very easy to dehumanize those that do not serve a purpose for us. Or we disagree with.

Which is honestly enough for most. You know, it's like, okay, we have different opinions on this. Oh, you're not actually human. But it's where the like versus respect would come back to. I agree. Man, what if we really respected? Do you think we probably all have the same opinions on a lot of things? No.

But we can respect one another. And I can choose to love you. You can choose to respect and love me. we can have good dialogue and honest conversation and we can work and we can strive to like figure out where somebody else is coming from because we can value one another, right? But in the places that happen around the world where you see that not happening is where you see genocide, it's where you see chaos, it's where you see crisis. And I think for our society, that would be just one of my hearts is that we would fight

to try to get to a place, protect the vulnerable, but value all. Like, man, I disagree with you, man, I still believe that you're so valuable to God. I'm going to treat you that way. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if, and I hate to harp on the internet aspect of it, but I wonder if losing the humanity in the people that we disagree with is so much easier when you're only fed the things that you disagree with or hate the most.

And you don't actually see them. You don't see him at all. This is the Charlie thing. Like when I saw what happened with Charlie, and it was like, I saw like these, there were these different versions of him that existed depending on who was consuming him. That's right. And I'm not like saying that you shouldn't disagree with him. That has nothing to do with it.

What I'm saying is that if you're only seeing the things that you disagree with or hate the most and you're not seeing like this other image where like you see him being a father and maybe you admire that and you admire the way he takes care of his family, it might be the same way you look at like your grandpa or something where you essentially go like, listen, we got some views that we really disagree on here. But I love the way he treats my grandma. I love the way he treats me. Like once you have a little bit of admiration for someone,

they become this like three-dimensional human being. But when we don't have the opportunity to see that because we're just forced-fed information that feeds our biases on our phone, of course it's easy to dehumanize somebody that you view as your opposite. Yes. So maybe we have to do that, take that extra step, which is what kind of you were saying earlier. It's like, yeah, you have these moments where you want to get caught up in your ego and then you tell yourself not to. You take this moment where you're checking yourself. Maybe we got to start doing that a little bit more. Like when I think I have an idea of some

politician, I think I have an idea of some like talking head on the internet because I know I have a bunch that are completely formed by the algorithm. Maybe I have to check myself a little bit and be like, I don't even really know that person. I've only seen them talking 30 seconds spurts. I don't know who they are to their friends I don't know who they are to their family Yeah maybe I have to like check my opinions on the people That I disagree with the most The people I agree with I probably already view as human

Right? Because I'm like oh you're like me It's very easy to go Yeah But yeah maybe we gotta start doing that The people that we disagree with the most We gotta start finding some humanity and yes Ooh that's tough though But we gotta do it

What do you think's the toughest thing about it? I think it's to what we were saying earlier It's like I think sometimes people are concerned that if they show compassion to somebody who like the world might not view as someone who deserves compassion i don't believe that that's fair but they would feel like by doing it they'd be going out on a limb and they could be scrutinized for it how dare you care about that guy that has these opinions and suddenly you're not worthy of compassion yeah it's like i i i it was one of the things i hated the most about the charlie thing like there there were people who were

seemingly like celebrating it and i was like i don't know i i don't know i I can't get behind the celebration of the murder of somebody's political opposition. I can't get behind it. I can't get behind it. You can still disagree with everything a person said. That's fine. But you got to draw a line at the celebration of it. If we get to that place, then we are really saying in our actions,

your worth is only equal to your opinion. Yeah. That's what you're saying. Yeah. You know, a scary place to be, because what if all of a sudden I say the wrong thing one day? My word's gone? Where do you draw the line? More importantly, like, what's the point of being able to have an opinion?

We're like the one place on the planet where you can actually have a free opinion. And I'm not speaking hyperbolicly when I say that. Like, you go try to have an opinion on Facebook in England, you might get arrested for it. So we have this beautiful thing that we have fought to maintain for centuries. and we can't let it all go away because we've decided to dehumanize those that we disagree with. I think there's also a component, like, and again, I'm not suggesting, you know, every society needs to be, like,

theocratic, but, like, as cultures have gotten less religious, and regardless of the religion, whether it's an imam you have or a priest or a pastor or whatever, I wonder if we now need our public figures to be more moral. Yeah, like, they have to pass this purity test. Like, we need the people to reflect, like, this divine morality, because we've kind of lost it in other parts of society. Like, if I'm not going to church, I don't have a connection with God

or I don't have a connection with a pastor, even. I need this musician that I really like to have, like, this perfect sort of moral standard. Well, I think everyone's going to fall short of that. Yeah, exactly. And then where do you define that moral standard, right? And who do we allow to say what is moral and what's not? Yeah, exactly.

It's kind of, you just have to reflect my morality, which once someone deviates from that in any direction, then it's like, oh, they're canceled, they're all. They don't have my politics. Yeah. And then you force people to kind of cover it up and create like this image of themselves. And then eventually that leaks.

And then can you work that out, like if there was more of a religious influence on society, how that would change the way that we viewed these famous figures? I don't know. I think if people had more of a relationship with any type of sort of like, you know, international faith, like outside of like cults and things like that, but just any type of relationship with a monotheistic God or God in general,

then I wonder if they go, like, okay, I can recognize the brokenness in humanity, but I don't need all of the people that I admire to be perfect because I have a connection with perfection. I wonder if there's a sense where it's like, okay, this person's broken, just like I'm broken, but I'm not deifying them because I already have this deity, I have God. Or maybe it's a connectivity to your own brokenness,

and maybe with a lack of religiosity, we're almost like gaslighting ourselves. We're like trying to pretend that we're not broken. We've compartmentalized these broken parts because we're afraid to acknowledge it. And then when we see it in others, it's a reminder of who we are. So we have to tear down these other figures. But we're essentially projecting our own insecurities.

And again, I'm not saying every person needs to be religious, but just that I think that social, like, almost looking at it sociologically, like as societies lose religion, I wonder if they just do that sort of instinctually. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's, they're unaware of the action, but it does track. Yeah, there is something about, like, Like, not being afraid of your flaws.

There's incredible value in that. Like embracing your flaws. And then when you embrace your own flaws, it's very hard to judge others for the same flaws that they have. When you ignore your flaws, it becomes easy to judge. Right? You're like, I don't have anything. It's a good way to cope with your flaws to judge other people.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you even... How do you battle with that? Yeah, how do you battle that, especially with Christianity? I've heard a lot of, like, Christians talk about that, which is like this purity test that they think sometimes people aren't passing, like within the faith.

And it's like, and people go in specifically, none of us are pure. Why are we imposing this purity test on each other when the whole point is that we're not pure? We're going to try. Yeah, first apostle, my head is for by grace, you have been saved through faith. It is not of your works. It is a gift through God, so no one should boast. We have been saved through faith. that is the gift of God.

It is not of ourselves, so you can't boast. But if we do boast, we boast on Him. Him, yeah, yeah. Like, not on us. And I think that that would be the heart of what we should get back to. Like, man, if we look at what God has done in Scripture, and I know not everybody might believe Scripture, but if you just look at it, look at all of the people that God has used.

Most were super flawed. Like, but I think there is a picture that God's painting to say, like, you know who I didn't show up for? The perfect, the one that thinks they never did anything. That's why I used the example earlier if it's a hospital for the broken, right? And I think it also pairs to James four, eight, maybe, but that God is opposed to the, God is opposed to the proud, but God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble, right? And why is that match with this? Because you have to humble yourself to realize that you're broken, so you need a healer, you need a savior. Right? I think all of those things jive with what this conversation is. If I realize I'm broken and I've fallen short,

and guess what? Someone else that has, I'm not going to say, look at how you've fallen short. I'm going to say, hey, you want to be on this journey together as we just try to work to improve and find the healing. And I think all of that would jive in that conversation. That's really interesting, the importance of humility. If you have no humility, how can you access your savior? And I think one of the things that's really important is how we define humility. I've heard a lot of different ways in my life being defined.

But one of the interesting ways how modern psychologists define humility is taking an accurate view of oneself. And if we took an accurate view of ourselves. And we thought, man, you know, I might have some okay days, but man, I got some bad thoughts, got some bad actions. I have fallen short in all of these ways. Then I see somebody else that has done that. Well, I'm going to be so much quicker to mercy and compassion and kindness than I am if I don't actually have an accurate view of myself.

And I'm like, you know what? I'm okay. I'm all right at this thing, you know? Like, you're not going to have the same level of compassion and kindness for them. You know, it's interesting is when I was growing up, I had a lot of, I'm not good enough, and I didn't want to deal with that. So I would focus on all these negative things. But instead of dealing with that, I'd say, well, this guy sucks too.

He's XYZ. And then I was like, hey, there's only one perfect person ever. That was God. I'm not that. No one else is, I got flaws. They got flaws. It's okay. We all got flaws.

It's not a big deal. So it was like the opposite side of the same coin almost, where like, yeah, the humility was, I'm not nearly as bad as I think I am. And that's okay. And that person is not perfect either, and that's how he exists. But I think one of the important things that we have to fight with that, too, is we have to fight comparison. Because the other thing we're talking about right now is comparison. Thief of joy.

Well, I'm not that. Yes, it's exactly right. It is the thief of joy. Because I really believe that you cannot have a mindset of comparison and a heart of gratitude at the same time. I don't believe that they coexist. You can go back and forth because if I'm really comparison, and by the way, I saw one stat that said 12% of our daily thoughts are spent in some form of comparison. I would imagine that's like look at all of the social media what it leads us to I would imagine more than 12% yeah so maybe that's true then it's even more right but if we're

spending our time comparing ourselves I wish I looked like her I acted like him I had this job I got this I did that I just don't believe you can be grateful at the same time and if you're not going to be grateful then there's no way that you can be content and it's going to steal your joy it is exactly right and when we we're in a society that is so quick to compare but so slow to be grateful and that would be something else i think plays into the same point is it hard for you to be proud of yourself oh that's a great that's a good question it's a great question how would you even define it I mean, you can define it however you'd like, but there is, you've spoken a lot about how imperfect you are. And I wonder if you are hesitant to compliment yourself or be proud of the things that you're doing right and if you can give yourself some.

That's a good question. Or do you hand that all off to God? Is anything good in you? Jesus and anything bad in you you and then what is your relationship with yourself to a certain extent yeah it's a good question it's a really good I'm just just thinking I don't want to give you a staged answer I want to give honest answer I think that it's just I can be grateful for some of the things that I get to be a part of like man it's just they're so meaningful but I'm also afraid I guess maybe I'm people

best word, but I can use it for now, afraid to think that I was too much a part of that because it's just not about me. And I know the slippery slope, how far it can go. Because then you start thinking that you're the one responsible for all these things. So when you and your team were able to achieve greatness, for example, was that easier to feel good about because it was something that you guys did together? Yeah, but I still get that with the teams and our partners around the world and law enforcement and all the people we get to work with. What about golf?

You shoot a great 18. Can you sit there and be like, man, I played really well today? Yes, I can do that. I've been practicing. Because it's so much less meaningful. I think I can do that. So you can be proud of other things that aren't that important. Was it hard to be proud of your Heisman?

Ooh. Knowing that you're getting this accolade for something that is a team sport. It's hard to be regarded as probably the great. college football player ever by many. Hmm. I think that my heart with it was, and I don't say this as a way to try to be humble, I say this as a reality,

is every person that's won the Heisman has won it because they've had crazy amount of support and a lot of great players around them. And I was terrified of not mentioning all my teammates from the speech. Of course. You know, but at the same time, like, I think sometimes maybe I did it too much

and could have just, like, celebrated and been, like, enjoyed it more, you know? It's not too late. But, you know what, I actually didn't think I was going to win my first year. I thought I would win my second year because, you know, I lost that one. I still think it's the only thing. I knew I was going to lose my third year there. Who did you think would win the first year? Darren McFadden, because he just had a stupid good game against LSU,

and I was like, he just ran for, like, $2.50 or some stupid number. and he was a monster but the second year we had just beat number one team in the country last game and I thought we might and I think it's still maybe the only time

if I have it right the only time the person with the most first place votes didn't win wow it's good trivia we got the most first place votes I did

oh you didn't win the second the second time the third year you lost Mark Ingram on it I was like fourth so you were the most first place votes Yeah, when you vote for it, you put down first, second, and third.

Ranked choice or whatever. Yeah. And so I just wasn't, I was left off a lot of ballots as second, third. Oh, wow. Just left off entirely? We're just not as highly voted on it, but. Yeah. That was the EU won the national championship, or?

Did anybody look into that? Was there like some kind of, no, it's no conspiracy theory. Nothing. No, it's good. It's fine. Okay. No, it doesn't seem like it. But honestly, I felt like it was probably the best thing for our team.

Oh, because then the focus was on the, Let's see. Yeah, you should have seen the text that I got that night. More are they saying, we got you. Like, oh, it's gone down. A lot of things I can't say. I love that. I love it.

Like, it inspired you guys. It's just everybody wanted to give it that much more. Yeah. And then we were playing against the Heisman Winner and National Championship. Yeah. Great, crazy, talented, great player. And our defense played out of their mind. Because they want to let you know.

No, I didn't want to let. It just the whole team played great. It wasn't for me. Who did y'all play that year? Oklahoma. Oh, was it a, what's the name? Sam Bradford. Sam Bradford.

Yeah, so talented, great player. I'm curious, in hindsight, now, are you able to look and kind of laugh at the butt fumble? Yeah, I think it wasn't him. Did you laugh then? Or were you kind of like broke? No, because we were losing. Okay. Yeah, but it's funny.

People were like, what was it like, playing for the Jets. And I'm like, I don't know. I didn't play for him. I just stood there for him. So this actually is it, I don't know if this is what, this is a football, but you got no second, third place votes for the Heisman. NFL, I felt like you want a playoff game. I think it was your first year starting. Yeah. And then Elway comes in, he wants Manning, whatever. Do you feel like there's a leg, a good choice for him? No, well, I'm pretty dang good. Good choice. They did win the Super Bowl. And I think Payne Manning is one of the all-time greats, but he kind of won it with him as a bus driver a little bit,

which I feel you could have done. Do you just, in general, feel like maybe... Thank you for the kindness. Yeah, which, do you feel like... Give me a yellow bus. Yeah, I get the ability to insult everybody. No, I'm just saying, I think... Do you feel like there's a level of disrespect

that you've gotten for maybe leading with your faith or whatever that people are like, eh? Because to get no second and third place votes and get all the first place votes, seems to me there might be a bias. I don't know. I think that... Um, my style of play was a little bit.

It was unorthodox. It was unorthodox. And I feel like now it's a probably a better time for that. You were saying that. Yeah, a little ahead of your time. Like the jump pass and all that was just like back then. Oh, it was awesome. It was the best.

I think it's ever gotten stopped. I mean, I just love it. We have all these people. And it sort of happened by accident. Like, we, Urban ran a similar play at Utah. And I think it was against BYU. And they showed me the film. they say but the guy just took one step up and step back and tossed it like that they i think i think

was utal and it worked and so he's like hey we'll do something like this but let's practice it against our defense on tuesday and our defense is probably best in the country in my freshman year they're just a joke and run on tuesday and it's like fake a qb power run down put my head up come up tied in in wide open and you you know the coaches are all like this is good that looks pretty good like we like that. So we're playing LSU who's got one of the best teams in country. Crazy. It's back and forth game and to the first half. And like, all right, we're going to do the jump pass.

And, but he's like, you can't come down with it. Because we're going to get tackled. I'll run out of time. We don't have timeouts left. All of that. So I get to snap. I run up there. I see them all draw in. But our tight end, take Casey's getting held at the line of scrimmage. You can't get off. So I jump. And you can see me. And it's almost like,

I don't even know what I'm doing. It's like I, it's like I just, don't want I'm afraid of double dribbling or something you know what am doing that and I'm like double clutching you finally I just loft it in the air because I don't know when he's going to get off the and he gets off and he catches it and then that was the start of that and yeah and actually we ran in so many different ways and I think I think we were 100% on it in college and it actually was the game winning play in the national championship two years later against oklahoma as well jump pass won the national championship as well okay I know you got to get out of here

we're we're gonna let them I first would love if you could just tell us and I want to include like in the description stuff here, ways where we could help with the charity work that you're doing. Wow, I appreciate that. You can just go to Tim Tebow Foundation.org and check it out. And that's the sex trafficking one. Oh, yeah. Well, it's all of it. All is part of it.

The fight against trafficking exploitation, the fight for those with special needs, the orphan care, the supporting foster families and foster care, special needs care for hospitals. So we're fortunate to have 46 safe homes and 24. more in progress and a bunch of orphanages and special needs campuses and then the task courses and the operations and then the long-term restoration so it's just our heart's what we wake up and do every day so we're grateful thank you man that's awesome dude we really appreciate you coming and hanging out it's our pleasure thanks for having me it's a really fun conversation thank you this was awesome and you're doing amazing work and uh thank you brother yeah man thank you

so much thank you so much i really appreciate oh enjoy it