Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Took A DNA Test

Episode Date: January 10, 2020

This week Andrew, Akaash, and Kaz discuss: diversity in the NFL, trying an $800 bottle of whiskey, revealing Akaash's big lie this week, Zion not looking fit, terrible cry faces, edibles in Africa, Lizzo quitting twitter, and much more. INDULGE!!!

we got playoff football obviously we have um other kind of big news what was the big bunch of new coaches brady lost this is oh yeah why is everybody freaking out about this rooney rule like you gotta hire a black or you gotta like interview well it's not about yeah yeah so a lot of times i'm gonna explain this to me it sounds like horse shit the rule was implemented because a lot of uh black coaches weren't getting any coaching opportunities. It was about, I guess, the Rooney family, which owned the Steelers, which ended up finding Mike Tomlin, ended up finding a lot of great coaches. And the idea was, okay, maybe you already have your guy in mind, but this guy could still come in and impress you. And then somebody else who interviewed

him goes to another team and then remembers, oh, I interviewed Mike Tomlin. He was great. Which has happened a lot. Yeah. Like a lot of times you see these names, just the fact that names are being thrown around around this time. It's a lot of times almost like a job interview where even if I don't get the Giants job or the Browns job, whatever, like just being

thrown in that name, like if you go back and talk to each other, they're like, hey, this kid was really impressive. We already wanted to go with him, but he was really good. You should check him out. Okay, go on. But there were three blackhead coaches when it was implemented in 99 or whatever the fuck year it was. And there are still three blackhead coaches

right now. And there is, I don't think it's racism or whatever, but it is, like Eric Biennemi is the offensive coordinator of the Chiefs. How many coaches are there in the... How many teams are there? 32. So what is the black population in America?

11%. But it's not just head coaching, though. Hold on, hold on, hold on. The black population in America is 11%. Yeah. And what is the population... What is the percentage of head coaches? So it's on... We're doing the right thing. But it's not just head coaching, though. It's about getting... 11%. Yeah. And what is the population? What is the percentage of head coaches?

So it's on. We're doing the right thing. But it's not just head coaching though. It's about getting. There's dozens of coaching jobs per team. Right. So even if you're not a head coach, like getting a coordinator job, getting a special teams job, wide receiver coach job, whatever the fuck it is. It's about getting black coaches and giving them opportunities that they most likely wouldn't have had if it wasn't for this rule.

And you're right. There's still only three coaches, but there's a lot more black faces in these coaches. But people are basically saying the Rooney rule isn't doing anything if it hasn't actually changed the number of black head coaches. It doesn't need to because they're the percentage of the league that they should be. If you're 70% of a league's players but only 10% of the coaches, there's something worse. What percentage of white people are there in the country? 60. 70%, let's say?

Yeah. What percentage of white people play in the NBA? 20, 10, whatever. Less? Sure. Do we need the white person rule? No, but you can make an easier case. That's definitely not the way people will look at it, though. I mean, the way they're looking at it is, you know, a lot of times you need to make sure that.

Why does diversity only work one direction? It's so weird. It's not just working one direction. I don't think I'm the guy who champions diversity for the sake of diversity. That's not me. But I can understand how basketball and sports playing is so easily a meritocracy right like i have tryouts all of you can come any white guy who's aging can get him in the door come in the door and adam adam theon the receiver for the the vikings he was the guy that

nobody gave a fuck about and he just proved himself and proved himself and proved himself good done that's fine coaching is like there's only 32 opportunities there are no auditions there are no tryouts you come to an interview yeah and the one like the example i would use to say oh someone's a little not racist but we could figure out something is eric b enemy offensive coordinator of the chiefs who have a crazy offense andy reed is the head coach but he has given this guy the seal of approval this guy's gonna be a great fucking coach and the people who are getting jobs over him i'm just like really yeah like the giants interviewed him and uh i guess the guy they hired was the judge yeah they interviewed him cowboys didn't the cowboys

interviewed marvin lewis who sucks dick is the worst marvin lewis the black guy bangles to meet the rooney rule right and then their next interview they hired that coach now now question let's go with the giants so the giants interviewed banami and then they ended up hiring the wide receiver coach yeah well technically he was a special teams coach he's only the wide receiver coach this year well that means he's the receiver coach he could end up being good special teams coach is better for head yeah that's that's that's the point with everybody but still he was a wide receiver coach. And special teams, both. Right, right, right. So how many rings have the Chiefs won in the last decade? Zero. How many rings have the Patriots won in the last decade?

At the same time, these guys have had coaching experience. How many good coaches have come out from under Bill Belichick? Bill Belichick is 14 and 13 against the people that he has had on his roster or past players. In other words, they know how to coach and they know how to coach against Bill Belichick. And if Bill Belichick is the gold standard of coaching and they are 50-50 against him, they must be doing something right. That's a stat that's not indicative of me being a good coach. I'm pretty good against this one coach. None of these guys- Who happens to be the best. Sure, but I can be- Good against the best.

If I'm the 100th player in the world, but somehow I've beaten Roger Federer four out of seven times, that doesn't make me, I'm still the 100th best player in the world. Sure, but did Mike Vrabel out-coach Belichick? He might be a good coach. But did he out-coach him in his last game? Yeah. But again, you're taking a very small sample size. Whereas, for the most part, none of these coaches pan out. None of them last. I can't even think of most of the names.

Vrabel's the one where we're like, oh, maybe this guy will be good. And Patricia maybe will be good. But they were still the third worst team in the league this year. I guess Flores was a coach for the Patriots. Flores could be good. Dolphins were terrible and they won more games than they had any business winning when they were allegedly supposed to be tanking.

So like he's, you know, like people, it's weird when people say like, oh, well, you know, Belichick's disciples haven't really coached that well when Belichick is still winning titles. So it's like, it's because you can't beat this guy in a big game? Does it mean like... No, no, no, they don't, they don't like, I can't think of Bill Belichick guys who make the playoffs consistently. Right. Like there's no coach that came out from under bill belichick

because the idea is this guy does everything right andy reed mike mccarthy the cowboys coach who i don't think he's as good as everybody else but he gets a lot of respect i'm pretty sure he's an andy reed guy they have the coaching trees right like i coached under this guy and i gotta bill parcells amazing coaching tree sean payton bill belichick whoever the fuck andy reed good coaching tree eric biannimi's under him bill belichick's coaching tree for the most part as of now hasn't panned out the best we've done is mike vrabel so far so just because he coached under bill belichick doesn't mean he's gonna be a good coach like this guy's the head coach of the bangles they went 1 and 15 and he was under mcveigh and that's why he got the job but like that doesn't make you that's usually what happens

though like in in most for most football teams most football programs if you're successful everybody they want to pluck everybody from your staff like the same guy what was the guy who coached that makes sense it makes sense to me you want someone from a winning pedigree right so like i just don't i don't knock the Giants. No, I don't think people are knocking the Giants for hiring Joe Judge. I don't think they were at all. I just think the fact that they picked them so quickly without, I guess, doing due diligence and doing what the Rooney rules.

No, the Giants did. I think the overall point is. Aren't the Giants Roonies? No, that's the Steelers. That's the Mara family. Yeah, but the Mara and the Rooney family are related. They might be related. Are they?

Yes. Oh, shit. I don't think the Giants did anything wrong. I think they interviewed me. Yeah, no, I don't think they did anything wrong. I think the problem is like the bullshit interview, like the Cowboys. The rule's kind of bullshit. Marvin Lewis is a bullshit interview just to meet the rule.

Right. Like at least take it seriously. Right. That's, I think, the point. I don't have a problem with the rule because I think it could be beneficial. But if you're going to be like, hey, just get a fucking black guy in here. Let's give him a bullshit interview. I mean, it makes way more sense if you get someone you are potentially interested in because it only helps your team.

My biggest issue with the criticism of the Rooney rule is it assumes that people are more racist than they are curious and interested in winning. are more racist than they are curious and interested in winning and if we know anything about the NFL is they will look over they will look past so many character flaws for the sake of winning you beat your wife you kick her in a fucking hotel you'll be on a team in fucking three months okay if you shoot up a strip I don't know man I mean that was definitely that was definitely the case a couple years ago like I re-kill. He played this year or no? He did. Okay. But Antonio Brown didn't.

He had a tryout. He didn't play. Antonio Brown did play this year. He played one game. And then he played. And he had a workout with the Saints a couple weeks ago. And then he was an asshole. But that's my point, though. They won't overlook everything.

But they were willing to overlook a rape accusation. Yeah, I don't think that takes away from his point. His point is like the NFL is much more of a meritocracy than people are realizing. I have this debate with Brian all the time where I think on some level, race could play into it in a way you don't realize. Race plays a part of everything. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, absolutely.

And racism is in everything and it plays a part in everything. I'm not discrediting that at all. What I'm saying is people's desire to win will overwhelm their feelings about the color of a coach's skin. If they truly believe that a coach can help them be victorious, they will overlook their own racism to hire him just like they will overlook a player's abuse of his wife so that they can get that Super Bowl. So I don't think it's intrinsically tied into racism. And I think the Rooney rule, what it's supposed to do is it's supposed to check implicit bias. Unconscious bias. Or unconscious bias, right? Which are, you might not think a black guy is going to be a good coach,

but we're going to put him in front of you anyway. Yes. And then he could potentially win you over. and then because you're so obsessed with winning you'll put aside your views of black guys as coaches so that you can get that win so that's why i like the rooney rule i like it too for that reason yeah i like the rule too my thing is i don't know if uh i think the rule was reactionary at first i feel like if there wasn't something in place before and i'm gonna mess up details because i don't know the specifics of it but there was something going on before the rule was implemented where motherfuckers wasn't getting calls at all wasn't even wasn't even getting talked to right as far as being head coaches so i think it was oh they were over

compensating for all the shit that they missed out on well that can't be the case because if the same amount of coaches existed back then and they exist now, then the same amount of calls must have been going out. Well, of course. But I'm saying it's the same way when Kaepernick first started kneeling down, right? Right. And they felt like, well, we have these demands and some of the demands are like, well, we want money donated to this, this, that, and the third.

Looking with no bias specs on everything, the NFL has put in more, you know, programs to benefit inner city, you know, relations and race relations since Kaepernick was kneeling. Right. Now, because I don't know the specific details of what led to the Rooney Rule, I can only assume that also happened when it came to black head coaches and black people in coaching positions. My only issue is just do it better and there's there's a story out there that the cowboys actually wanted to hire marvin lewis and maybe they're just that fucking stupid that you want a guy who didn't win a playoff game in nine years but like airbnb the offense is creative the head coach who everybody says is brilliant says this is a fucking guy he's gonna be great he's had coaches underneath him that have done very well.

Just interview that guy. Like, if you're going to give Marvin Lewis an interview, the Giants also, I think they interviewed the enemy too, but their first interview was the Cowboys defensive backs coach, Chris Bouchard, who's a black guy. Yeah. The secondary sucked a dick all year. Shit. Don't give that guy a look just because of a Rooney rule.

That's actually like more racist to me to give a shitty black guy an interview just to check a box than it is to say, oh, here's a qualified black guy. We should give him a serious look. I agree. Because McCarthy apparently for the Cowboys coach, apparently fucking destroyed his interview.

It was incredible. Apparently still give this other guy who is God all checks, all the boxes, give him the chance. And to be fair, I think you're right in the sense that people may have overreacted in the first couple of weeks because the hot coordinator is Robert Sala or whatever,

the defensive coordinator for the 49ers. And clearly they're still playing. So they're not going to give permission for you to talk to a guy. No, you should get permission. I mean, I'm certain certain teams didn't want to give permission so far i don't think he got close either that's another one because i remember when the cowboys were actually good which is 30 years ago or whatever nor turner all these defensive i didn't know how any of it worked i'm just watching football at the time but i remember the cowboys were going to the super bowl and on the way

the defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator got head coaching interviews so it's like oh, oh, wow, I guess that's a thing that can happen. And then that was like an adult lesson for me as a kid. Oh, you're always allowed to go get a better job if your employer gives a fuck about you. So I think the fact that he didn't get calls, I don't know if he'll be good, but you got to see what the, I mean, the Niners defense. Yeah, the Niners defense are a Super Bowl winning defense.

I don't know how much credit you want to give him, but you can give him a call, especially if there's a rule in place for this. I don't have a problem with a rule. I think James Harrison went on and started this with like- It was Stephen A. Fine. It was Stephen A.

And then he went for it right after, what is it, Rivera? What's his name? Ron Rivera is black. Joe Judge. It was right after Joe Judge. No, no, but Ron Rivera got the head coaching job with the Redskins. Yeah. Is he black?

No. I think he's half black or something. He's Cuban or some shit. He's Latino. He's a man ofins. Yeah. Is he black? No. I think he's half black or something. He's Cuban or some shit. He's Latino. He's a man of color. Whatever. So it's not like men of color aren't getting, this is where I call the bullshit on the diversity thing, right?

Diversity is like a, and don't get me wrong, I actually agree with the strategy. The game of life is acquire resources. That's the game of life. And you require them at all costs, right? We found a cool term where black people and other minorities who haven't been in this situation where they could acquire resources have found a way to leverage the thing that held them down and actually use it in a way to acquire resources, right?

Like you must be diverse because diversity is good. Now, as far as I'm concerned. It's actually impressive to flip leverage like that. It's amazing. It's a brilliant tool. And if I, and I would say to all my black friends or any minority friends, use it so you can acquire resources. Get it.

The game is acquire resources. And when you have the resources, the game is keep them. And when you don't have them, the game is get them. That's just how the shit goes, right? So it's why Republicans that are rich want to keep their money and Democrats that are poor want to get their money. Get money, right? We should have more taxes so we can get some money.

Okay. So I think it's a great go-for. It's a good strategy. You have one life. Try to get it. But when we go, ah, diversity is important and representation is important,

the reason I can't take it seriously is because I know it's fucking bullshit. You know what you're doing. I know it. I see through it, right? So it's like, all the black athletes are like, we need representation.

They're never saying we need Indians. They're never saying we need Asians. Like, you know, Tyler Perry's like- that it doesn't it never goes to the front for it i've never had a black person legitimately give a fuck about anything about indians and then and then they'll go well we need to work on us first before we do it and then so you just go women so it's okay to just care about your race well my people back home poor as fuck what the fuck what i'm saying is this what i'm saying is this i'm saying use it but you're not fooling me and i think a lot of people are drinking the kool-aid and they actually believe it because they're not really thinking about the game and what's going on

i just see the game so i'm like use it play the game get your money bro get your fucking money any way you can never once in my life have i ever thought about diversity will you look at this room look at this room never once in my life have i hired anybody for diversity never once have i had a friend for diversity we got a mexican doing the fucking is ecuador what are you nicaraguan but think about what we have it's not like we have the white guy doing the tech shit like the joe budden podcast you know what i mean we got a nicaraguan doing the tech shit we never try to check boxes a blackwood doing it in india but it's not it's not fair to assume that's what they do too either what do you what it's not as fair to assume like oh we only got the white guy to do the tech

for our podcast because he's the white guy no it's fair to assume a lot of people do it we don't need a name specific we know all the time people who got the white guy. No, it's fair to assume a lot of people do it. We don't need to name specific names or whatever. We know all the time people who got the white people in the back end doing all the shit. And actually, sometimes it's a corporate mandate to have minority hires. Right. And we as minorities love it because it gives us jobs.

What an amazing leverage point. Like, how you flip the exact thing that held you down and make it bring you up. Like, that's a genius move. The thing is, you're a critical thinker. You're a critical thinker, and you understand why people would do that. That makes sense.

A lot of motherfuckers don't do that for that reason, though. Wait, wait, say that again. A lot of people don't do that for that reason. What do you think? So when you're talking about, okay, well, I'm going to use the fact that I'm black. I'll just use me as an example. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to use the fact that I'm black to get a lot of corporate opportunities with

people because I know they need people of color. Right. I'm not doing that because like, I don't ever feel like I deserve an opportunity over somebody who's been doing this for 20, 30 years. But you're not going to turn it down. But I'm not going to turn it down. But at the same time, at the same time, I do this shit because I want to do it. I'm not using my diversity as leverage.

You're not, but you won't turn it down. So, for example, if ESPN goes, hey, man, we would love to hire you, and then you found out through the grapevine, it's like they want to increase the diversity they have over at ESPN. ESPN does a good job with diversity, I think. But it's like, and you heard that's what, that was the impetus of looking for you. You were Rooney ruled into the ESPN, right?

You're right. You wouldn't say no. But here's my thing. A lot of times for those companies, they know it benefits them long term as well. Why? It benefits themselves long term as well. Why does it benefit them? Because they need diversity also.

Why? Because they want to get more people. They want to acquire assets, just like you said. But diversity doesn't mean that more people are going to watch. Like, nobody watches the show with... Of course it does. Nobody watches Jamel and what's the girl, the other dude do. Andrew, I'm going to be honest with you.

If we're doing a show and as cultured as you are, you're talking about Indian shit, and if you don't have an Indian guy to check you about certain shit, it wouldn't be as successful. Son. If we had a black guy... If you're talking about black people... The biggest podcast in the world is Joe Rogan and a white assistant. But that's because Joe Rogan has... And a lot of white it's a great fucking show whenever i'm talking to people in the crowd i'm not saying they're to co-sign it oh no i'm not

saying i'm not saying i'm talking i'm talking to people right in the crowd and then they're doing it it's different when they know that you're authentic there's a different thing when people know that you're coming from the right place. Right? So it's like I can talk to people truthfully. Even this conversation. Most people couldn't. Most white people couldn't say things I'm saying right now.

But they understand. At least the Chappelle shit I wanted to talk about. Yeah, we'll get to it. But we'll get to it. But it's like most of because they don't trust that that person is speaking to them honestly. If you want someone to speak to you honestly you have to accept honesty yes do you know what i mean i know a lot of white people when they speak to minorities they're speaking to them in a way that they feel will make them comfortable

when you get to know me you start to realize oh he's treating me just like another person yeah he's not speaking me through a black filter or an Indian filter or a Nicaraguan filter or a Puerto Rican black filter. Right? But it takes second to get there. I bet there are people listening to this podcast right now when they first heard me maybe on Brilliant Ids, they're like, I don't like this motherfucker. Oh, yeah. That happens to me all the time. Oh, wait a minute.

He's actually talking to me regular. Yeah. You know? So I'm not saying that this thing is easy to get to, but when you get to actually get truth from somebody, you really trust it and you believe it because truth is rare. All I'm saying is when it comes to the diversity thing, milk it. Use it. Use it to get to the top. Use it to get some fucking stake in this world.

Use it to get your fucking resources and then pull up anybody you want to pull up from the ground up for me the people i pulled up it's never been it's never been about your race has always been about your skill right but i'm in the position to do that because i've had stuff right but if you have nothing if it's diversity helps you get out then great if it's if it's not diversity if it's just i don't know building your own black Wall Street river, use that. Whatever it is, the game is get the resources and help those people you believe in. Our issue with the flip and the leverage is we just see through it. I just see through it. And I'm not saying, there's times where I argue that I think race is a factor.

And I think in head coaching, race might be a factor. Sure. Big factor. But like James Harrison was the one I saw talking about it. And I like James Harrison. But he's saw talking about it and I like James Harrison, but he's picking on Matt Rule who's the Carolina Panthers new head coach,

got a huge contract and he goes at his overall record. His overall record as a coach is 95 and 85 or whatever. It was first three years in Baylor, it was 18 and 20. Well, he neglects to leave out.

What he neglects to mention, I thought Matt Rule, I think he's going to be great. I might be wrong. I think he's going to be fucking good. That's who you wanted. That's who I wanted for the Cowboys. And this is why I particularly noticed it.

He took over Baylor after the head coach of Baylor just let like five people rape women and then covered it up. That program was toxic. Nobody wanted to go there. And even if they were, if they had a name, they're not getting any 5A athletes. So his first year, he went 1 and 11. Everybody left. Second year, he went 1-11. Everybody left. Second year, he went 6-10.

Third year, this small-ass school that gets no 5A recruits went 12-2. Lost to Oklahoma twice by one score. That's fucking impressive. But if you want to manipulate things and make it a racial issue, you can say his overall record is barely above average. And you took out all context just so people who are more easily manipulated would be like, yeah, what the fuck? And that's the problem sometimes with a narrative,

is that when people don't see it as marketing and they drink the Kool-Aid, they'll start justifying it any way they can. Like you look at these stupid-ass blogs like Jezebel and shit, the editor of the blog just goes into the office and goes ryan philippe's sexist prove it right they start with this how fucked up it is and if you want to go into any situation you want to go this is racism prove it you will find it because there is racism or race at at bare minimum race in every single thing in our lives right it is and it's actually natural to our brains yeah we filter the world like that you have to for survival so

especially so when we say it's not race it doesn't mean that race doesn't play a part because it is what we're saying is at how many parts race is it versus how many parts situation how many parts situation, how many parts wins. You know what I'm saying? This cocktail, how much of it is racism? And we think that, I think that James Harrison, I think you think obviously James Harrison is overestimating the amount of parts in the cocktail that are just raw racism from the Carolina Panthers who just had a black head coach,

or a head coach of color. Yeah. Who stayed for nine years. Rivera. Who stayed for nine years and made the playoffs in three of them. That's not a good percentage. They got a black quarterback that they gave every chance to, who I love.

They still might give him another chance. Yeah. I think he's going to start when they come back. But here's the thing. I'm glad we're having this conversation. Black quarterback, they took number one overall. Right.

They had the number one overall pick. Well, the motherfucker was undeniable coming out of college. This is after Juco. This is after the arrest shit. They denied Lamar Jackson.

You're right. And Cam Newton had more character flags than Lamar Jackson. You're right, but Cam won a national title and a Heisman. Sure.

Nobody's a bigger fan than Cam Newton, or at least was. I mean, he's kind of, you know, has... We'll see if he's healthy. I was his number one co-signer. Nobody's been a bigger fan than us on this show. But it is what it is. They could have easily not taken him number one. But you do remember there was a time where the same way

some people, I'm not saying all people, and the reason why the Rooney Rule was put in, the same way people look at head coaches were the same way people look at black quarterbacks for a while. They were just like, you know, they just don't have the mental capacity and yada, yada, yada. And you're a critical thinker, so you don't think like that. I understand where you're coming from. Does it mean you are the way, if you thought, if everybody thought like you, you wouldn't

be unique and extremely unique. Right. Right. 100%. Everybody else that looks at this rule and sees it and tries to use it to to either uh defend why they don't pick a certain uh coach of color doesn't think the way you think doesn't think the way you think yeah a lot of times the same way they look at quarterbacks the same way they look at some coaches you know but at the end of the day i like i was saying

before i'm really glad we're having this conversation because i watched the chapelle uh yes mark twain beautiful speech award i didn't see his but neil's was really funny neil's is great right now this is like beautiful is it chapelle's is beautiful how long should we watch it it's six minutes we can't watch it here i don't think it'd be too long to watch now here it's public broadcasting no no meaning like time would have bored the people oh gotcha but he said something saying that we're more interesting than dave bro they found us more interesting than eddie murphy hey i'm saying it that is true we tried to listen i just didn't want another eddie murphy moment you want to take a baby bladder break and watch i'm with it go for it. But he said something that was so poignant and why I think this show is so important is he was talking about how he knows, like, the reason why stand-up is such an American form of art.

Like, it's so important. The most American form of art. It's probably one of the most American form of art because you have to tell the truth. If you're good at it, if you do it right, you have to tell the truth. post-American, for the art, because you have to tell the truth. If you're good at it, if you do it right, you have to tell the truth. And people that try to stop that, like I said, taking away any other agenda that you have, you're stopping truth tellers.

Period. That's what you're doing. Chappelle said, he said something about having conversations with racist comics all the time. And he's saying something, and he's like, yeah, he's killing in there. He's like, nah, that nigga means that shit like he really fucking raises but he says see the comic on stage nick and be like oh he means that yeah and then he's he's saying nick dipalo no i mean that's who it is probably but he'll see us as in like you know the general public argue yeah and we just watch y'all just watch as comics.

Whereas comics have this thing where they can actually talk and actually hear people. And because there's such, they respect the art of standup comedy so much. They can respect the way that you dress up your racism. That is digestible for people. You know what I mean? Like he's, and he said this before where he feels like he's more comic than, than black man sometimes.

Because when Kramer was screaming, Edward, Edward where he feels like he's more comic than than black man sometimes because when kramer was screaming n word n word he was like damn kramer it's a tough set hanging there you know what i'm saying so i thought i thought it was really dope because like i'm not a stand-up comic but i feel like i'm in the world of stand-up comics right and i could totally understand why i can look up to a guy like daveappelle and idolize him, even though I've never done a set in my life, just because the way he fights for truth and comedy and the way people are just, he's just a great thinker. And I think you said this before,

where he's just one of the, not even just one of the great standup comedy comedians of all time, just great speakers. He's one of the greatest public speakers ever. Watch his speech if you get a chance. It's like, he defends comedy,

speaks on behalf of comedy. It's beautiful. And it's like needed it's essentially what we're doing he's just he's doing it on like the Ricky Gervais thing right guy

right platform messenger message platform it's really what it comes down to it's fucking beautiful and I even think as Kaz was talking the reason I think we don't like a lot of the social justice comics

is not because of what they believe it's because I feel like they're disrespecting comedy you are not using this to tell your truth you are using this as propaganda you are not using this to get laughs you're using this to get claps claps for your message this isn't a place for your message this is a place to respect comedy and be funny you got a message i don't agree with but it's funny yeah bro yeah hair two things with. So you said you're using stand up comedy. Yeah. To get across your message. Yeah. Right. They're fraudulent in two ways, because if you really wanted to help a cause, would you go on stage in the back of a bar with people watching the playoffs in the front and talking and then pontificate about the environment where the fuck you're talking about no you wouldn't so not only are

you using stand-up comedy to to what it pushed the agenda of this this cause that you truly don't care about because if you did you'd be on the on the field actually trying to help out. You're using the cause as well. So what it really comes down to is you're empty, like most of us, and you need to get filled, but you're not willing to work as hard.

So you're going to the lowest common denominator. It's hack. It's the reason why we hate a hack joke, because it's easy it is easy to go up there and say something that everybody in the audience is supposed to agree with in public and then just get class for it it is hack and you are hacking your way to fill that void that we all have and that's what we hate because we have that void too but we're going through a grueling fucking process of trying to tell truth and getting lashings and beatings on

the fucking way so when we see someone take an easy route like fuck you bro you just ran off the side of the rainbow trail in mario kart fuck you son go the whole way it's corny to say but we love this fucking we love this this is our art this is i'm religious and this is religion for me comedy is just as much religion as Hinduism so when I see you putting your propaganda above stand up you're ISIS you are not using

stand up yo real shit you are taking this beautiful faith of mine and perverting it for your own personal gain that's right and I'll defend it

you're comedy ISIS Chappelle said that shit and I agree with him 1000% like I'll defend that shit we just said it way better than Chappelle to the day

I'll defend it to the day I die bro like I may not agree with what you said before I may not agree with what you say but i'll defend it to the day i die bro like i may not agree what you you said it before i mean i agree with what you say but i'll defend your right to say it to the death of me yo what's up this is akash that was a preview of our patreon episode if you want the full thing go to www.patreon.com slash flagrant to join the illest community on earth unless you're a social justice warrior then you're just gonna ruin the fun