Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Westerbros Podcast: Avengers Endgame Review (W-Charlamange Tha God)

Episode Date: May 3, 2019

This episode Andrew and Haney go over Avengers Endgame with the Marvel head Charlamange The God.

What's up everybody, welcome to another episode of West for Bros. I'm Andrew Schultz, I'm here with Haney and special guest, Marvel comic super nerd, Charlemagne Tha God. What's happening? We're here to discuss Avengers Endgame. Okay. Yeah. We purposely didn't talk about it on Brilliant Idiots this week. I really want it to happen here. Yes.

I really want it to happen here. I know that you've got some opinions about it. Haney saw it yesterday. I saw it in, uh, I saw it in Austin last weekend with Alex. Um, I saw it twice. I saw it on Thursday night and I saw it on Saturday morning. Okay. Thoughts? I thought it was phenomenal. I thought it was the most satisfying film experience I can remember having in a long time. Like, I can't remember, you know, the last time

I've seen a TV show or a movie that was ending that gave me that kind of closure. That lived up to expectations. Yeah,

like, you think about, like, the last episode of Sopranos, you're like, horrible. Horrible.

You know, like, a show like Girlfriends that I used to love didn't even give us any final episodes. Like, it just stopped coming on after 8 seasons so it was just like

it gave me a real sense of closure that I was actually satisfied with I was not mad about any of the main plot points that played out

in the film so that's the trickiest thing I think when it comes to talking about it right because a lot of times like I feel like when we analyze stuff

there's a critical analysis, right? And you got to try hard to critique it. I mean, the biggest holes in the whole film would be towards the end of the movie, which was the Captain America scenario. Okay, let's get into that. So at the end of the movie, Cap goes back in time. Back in time to return to Infinity Stones. And they choose Cap because they feel like he'll do the job. I mean, time back in time to return to Infinity Stones and they choose Cap because they feel like

he'll do the job I mean he's the one who wanted to do it I guess okay fair enough and this is where the timeline shit I'm gonna be honest

got a little shaky for me because the theater they let you order stuff like you order food and I put an order in when Scarlett Johansson was explaining how like the time worked

or something like that and then like for the next 45 minutes I was completely fucking lost well Bruce Banner was explaining how like the time worked or something like that and then like for the next 45 minutes I was completely fucking lost. Well Bruce Banner was explaining how the time worked and Tony Stark.

See that's how little I knew. You know I thought it was the girl. That was an ill part of the movie too because every single film that we've ever seen throughout our life

or TV show that was about time travel has these rules to time travel that Endgame just completely flushed all the way down the total. But did they? And we're going to get to Cap in a second.

But like, so did they? My understanding about 45 minutes later is that everything has happened has happened. Yes. Right? If you go back to the past and change the past, it does not change the current time that you're living in. As a matter of fact, spirals off a different reality. So multiple realities can't exist.

So let's just say in the future we do invent time travel. It wouldn't be able to come back and affect us because anything that did change would be its own reality spun off. And you just explained the Captain America thing. That's exactly what happened. He went back in time

to return the Infinity Stones, but he decided to live in an alternate dimension. And Joe Russo actually confirmed that yesterday. Okay, because I saw a clip he put out.

So he decided to live in an alternate dimension, but how does he get to... Back to that bench that he's by the pond. This is what I think. Okay. I think that captain

america went back he took the stones he took the thor hammer yeah he went to go live in his alternate dimension so therefore it's two captain america's now right right so it's two different captain america's one captain america i guess was still living the regular captain america timeline and did everything that they did over the past 10 years in the movies but the other one got old with Peggy Carter the one that went to the alternate dimension right that's the one that was by the pond that's the one that was by the pond so he changed dimensions

into this dimension to get back to them that's where shit got tricky for me because technically he would be in his own reality in his own dimension in his own world right like they're still in that own dimension, in his own world. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Doesn't that change, like,

they're still in that current dimension and you just said that it can't change the current present of what we're living in now. Right. Wouldn't that have changed it? Yes. Before Joe Russo said what he said yesterday, my theory was he went back in time,

returned to Infinity Stones. It was two of them existing, right? Right. But one of them lived in this current timeline and one of them just got old so he knew where they would be at. So that might have been, he might have just been

laying low the whole time because he didn't really have to do shit because there's another Captain America out there doing all the fucking fighting crime shit. Or did he change?

Or are we in a different reality? So here's what I'm thinking. You know how like you could spiral off the realities, right? So there's one, I'm doing this visual with my hands for anybody who's listening. So there's one I'm thinking. You know how you could spiral off the realities, right? So there's one... I'm doing this visually with my hands for anybody who's listening. So there's one reality that we've watched the entire Marvel universe in, right?

Yeah. That last scene might have been Cap's different reality that was spun off. I got what you're saying. Because you know why it makes sense? It starts off with him there. Right. What I'm saying is- But that's a different Cap.

That was a different reality. Right? So he goes back, and then the reality that we're watching play at the end of that movie is the Cap reality where he ends up staying. Yes. He ends up staying after he goes back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know this sounds tricky.

So I think that's where you separate from, what is it, the Marvel Comic Universe? I think the first three phases exist in one timeline. Yes, we're still in phase three now. Or phase three, yeah. So we're still in that timeline. And then maybe now we can start shifting timelines because we know we have the... Well, it's got to shift to phase four.

And that's what Joe Russo said yesterday. He said that the whole Captain America scenario is going to lead into other plot points because my thing is i think that we the viewing audience believe everything is all good like we think that they went back in time got the stones came back got rid of thanos and everything is good but that shit had to affect something. Right? Like it had to. Like it had to create some type of alternate dimension. So the next jump off is that Cap fucks shit up. Is it going to be on Cap?

I don't know if it's just Cap, but I think that this is the perfect way to introduce... Are they trying to just like cut him out because he's not going to really be involved kind of going forward? We'll get a new Captain America in a few years. We do have it. We have Black Captain America. Which I hated. I hated that. Why don't you have Black Captain America. Which I hated. I hated that. Wait, why don't you like

Black Captain America? I hated that. I hated that. I have like two minor critiques from the film. That was one of them. I hated the fact that he passed the shield,

the Sam Rogers, Sam Wilson. And the reason I hated that is because they have not developed Falcon enough in the movies. Like they've developed Bucky. You've developed Winter Soldier.

Like, Winter Soldier got the, he got some of the super serum, he got the metal arm. Like, Falcon don't got no fucking powers. Like, they haven't even developed his personality, his character, nothing for you to say, all right, yeah, the shield goes to you. Like, I didn't like that.

That's the one thing I did not like. Is that how it happened in the comics? In the comics, Sam got the shield first, if I'm not mistaken. He became the new Captain America at one point. But Bucky was Captain America at one point as well. Yeah, but Bucky's done so much dirt. Can he be Captain America?

I think he's good now. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's good now. It's not like he's Thor. You got to be worthy to carry the shield. You know what I'm saying? When he was the fucking Winter Soldier. Anybody really can be Captain America.

It is like America. Just, hey, give us your hungry. Give us your poor. You got one arm? Fuck it. We'll get you a metal arm. When he was the fucking Winter Soldier. Anybody really can captain. It is like America. Just, hey, give us your hungry, give us your poor, you got one arm, fuck it, we'll get you a metal arm. When he was the Winter Soldier, he had the shield.

The shield don't give a shit. I didn't like that. I did not like that part at all because they have not developed Falcon enough. So you're concerned, you didn't like it not for the reason

why the bunch of racist people didn't like it because it was just a black guy being Captain America. I think it's different in the comic world because if you're a Marvel fan, you know that a black guy becomes Captain America. So there was another scene that kind of triggered me. I figured that that's what they were going to do. I know where you're going.

I know what the next scene is. Okay. But I have a question about it because maybe I don't know enough about the comics and therefore it doesn't make sense. don't know enough about the comics and therefore it doesn't make sense the scene where it just so happens is serendipitously all the girls period sync up and then they end up fighting together right right okay so like so here's the thing at first i roll my fucking eyes i think i i mean like dude i think i audibly groaned i was like really bro so now at first that's what i thought but then i considered maybe there's like an all chick avenger team you know which there is the a-force and is that the a-force and that was hell no and that's the other part i hate it i did not like that scene at all overhanded

right i can tell you all right first of, it was pandering like a motherfucker. Super pandering. It was super pandering. But the reason I didn't like that scene... You should have showed Thanos, go, I got this. The reason I didn't like that scene is the same reason I didn't like

Captain America passing the shield to Anthony Mackie. They have not developed any of those characters. Right. Captain Marvel has her own movie, but the truth of the matter is, I'm going to tell you why you why women i'm not gonna tell women why they should be upset but this is what i noticed uh-huh when everybody had the gauntlet right yeah hawkeye no powers

just bowing arrows running with the gauntlet running from aliens by yourself yeah yeah black panther running with the gauntlet by yourself spider-man running with the gauntlet by itself soon as captain marvel gets the gauntlet and she's supposed to be the most powerful character in the MCU, Spider-Man goes, I don't know how you're going to get through all of those people. Now, all of a sudden she's like, oh, she got help. So eight people got to come help Captain Marvel. Eight people who cannot fucking come near her in terms of power. Scarlet Witch is dope. And Scarlet Witch was in Avenger back in the day. Fucking Mantis from Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, the cockroach girl.

Fucking Pepper Potts in an Iron Man suit. And she was rescue in the comics, but even in the comics, Pepper Potts didn't even have no fucking weapons with that suit. It was just a suit. Her name was Rescue, and she used to put the suit on

and just go save cats out of trees or like stuff like that. Silly stuff. Who else is in that scene? Nebula. Only other character I remotely like in that scene is Valkyrie and Scarlet Witch.

It don't have nothing to do with them being women. I'm just talking about them as characters. I'm not intrigued by that. That doesn't intrigue me, especially when you know the A-Force is She-Hulk,

Dazzler, Captain Marvel. I mean, they don't have access to the X-Men characters, but I think Rogue and Storm was part of the A-Force at one point. You had dope-ass women characters. How many times have you read these comics, man? I mean, this is an OG.

I got one. This is great. Who is Dazzler? Who is Dazzler? women characters. How many times have you read these comics, man? I mean, this is an OG. I got to retask who don't know. Who is Dazzler? Who is Dazzler? Who is Dazzler? Marvel actually exposed themselves. In what way? They exposed the fact that they have not invested in women characters

in the Marvel Universe at all. I'll be honest, I thought it was offensive. The second they get the Infinity Gauntlet, they started manicuring it in that scene. Did you notice that? I've read some articles from women that are mad

about that shit. Really? Yes. It was overly corny. It was overly corny. One woman said that it was pandering. One woman brought up

the point of how every man had the gauntlet and was running by themselves and then Captain Marvel needed help. We just saw Captain Marvel run through a fucking spaceship.

Like literally ran through a whole goddamn, everybody was getting their ass kicked. When Thanos said rain, fire everybody was about to die. Thanos' man was like, but our troops they was like, fuck that. Thanos was like, fuck that. Starlet Witch is tearing my ass up. Rain, fire

on these motherfuckers. Captain Marvel ran through a whole goddamn ship. Now she needs help running through these motherfuckers. Captain Marvel ran through a whole goddamn ship. Now she needs help running through these motherfuckers? Nah, bro. Nah, that shit was whack-ass, pandering, and it exposed Marvel

because Marvel has not developed its female characters enough over the past 10 years because Marvel has dope-ass female characters. They have characters on the level of a Captain Marvel. Maybe not with power and strength,

but just dope characters. Scarlet Witch is a dope character. Valkyrie is a dope character. But they have Mantis and... Nah, man. No, no. It seems like what Marvel's really good at is developing backstory for both the hero and villain.

I love the Thanos backstory. I thought it was so fucking cool. And we really don't know any female character backstory. None. They're doing a fucking Black Widow movie which is supposed to be a prequel but she killed her already.

So she's doing the prequel comes out in 2021 or 2020 sometime. You're not Jesus, bro. We don't need a... You know Captain Marvel's backstory but you waited 10 years to give us one woman character. She's unlikable, dude.

As a superhero, I find her very unlikable. Why is that? I don't know. She's like a stereotype of a female boss. You know what I mean? They're like, hey, can you help us out? I'm busy. There's a lot of other problems in the office that I need to attend to.

You guys need to handle your own stuff. I liked her more in her standalone movie than I did in Endgame. Alright, I didn't see the standalone. Yeah, standalone movie was actually good. She was just kind of like, I don't want to say unnecessary in Endgame. She didn't really play

a huge role in Endgame. Well, that's why at the beginning when she's just like, I'm going to go save all the other planets. You're not going to see me for a long time. They let it be known from the beginning in the writing of the movie that, yo, she's gone.

This movie's going to be You're a small world. She hit it with the strong independent woman. She said, I'm a strong independent woman. I got galaxies to support. She did that to Captain Marvel.

It's too much, man. That's how Captain Marvel ended. Captain Marvel ended with her like, yeah, I can't stay here. I got these cosmic powers. Because that's where Marvel's going. Phase four is all cosmic. Yeah, much, man. That's how Captain Marvel ended. Captain Marvel ended with her like, yeah, I can't stay here. I got these cosmic powers. Because that's where Marvel's going. Phase four is all cosmic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's smart. They should because the characters they've invested in work way better in space. Yes, Thor. Yeah, dude, I thought, like major applaud. I think I even said it to Alex at the end. Remember when they had Thor link up

with Guardians of the Galaxy and there's that great scene. Like, oh no, you're the captain. As Guardians of the Galaxy. As Guardians of the Galaxy. That's a great scene like oh no you're the captain Asgardians of the Galaxy Asgardians of the Galaxy that's a real comic by the way is it really yeah but it's not

it's not Thor and those Guardians it's like other people from Asgard with some other Guardians but still like setting that up like Thor in outer space

hilarious right I thought it was great yeah because he is an alien so you put him with the aliens and everything can be funny in that world loved it

I loved the fact that they made Thor. I love the fact how they showed how everybody was grieving. I thought they captured that shit perfectly. Because you had Thor who got super motherfucking depressed, let himself go, turn to fucking alcohol. You had a black widow who was crying every three seconds but trying to keep it together for everybody else. Yeah. You know, Tony Stark was like, man, I'm going to have me a family because I already been dealing with PTSD and anxiety and all kinds of other stuff.

Hawkeye turned into a scumbag. Hawkeye turned into a scumbag, but that was real. Wow. Whoa. That was dope. Yeah, it was like how tragedy affected every person. It almost like flipped their personalities. Yes.

You know, like tragedy brought out like the evil person that was inside of hawkeye but it also brought out the good person really that was in tony like it made him yes relinquish control yeah appreciate life and you know there was you know what's so dope about this one part went with tony is um when they go and approach tony and they say hey we think we can reverse it right now tony becomes thanos right like he has the power right he has half of the humans or half of the life form on the earth he has their future in his hand just like when thanos had half of the humans or life forms in the universe in his hand right it's one snap away if tony wants to indulge and do the math he could bring them all back and he makes the decision to bring them all back.

But there's a moment there where he goes, I really like what I got. I'm not trying to risk this. So it's like it humanizes Thanos. You know what else I like about that scene? It shows the ego and arrogance of a genius. Because as soon as Tony heard the idea, he started dismissing it. Yeah, he's like, no, if I haven't thought of it, you haven't thought of it. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's all it was. You think that's what it was? Tony heard the idea he started dismissing it yeah he's like nah if I hadn't thought of it you hadn't thought of it exactly

exactly exactly that's all it was I'm the genius I would have thought of that if that shit was fucking possible but then

once he let them go and he actually sat around and thought about it he was like well they can't do it without me anyway so I'm still getting the credit

you know what I'm saying I thought that was him trying to convince himself that all the grieving that he's been doing that he's over and he's past. Like, no, I'm done. I don't need that life.

I have my family. This is all I need. When really, it's not all he needs. No, you need your friends. Yeah, but he's a hero, right? Right. At the end of the day,

Tony Stark is still a hero. Yes. So if there's a possibility that he can save somebody, he owes it to people. That's what his mind says. They act like everybody would be upset

if half the people left. What do you mean? Bro, Earth was pretty fucked up, bro. It was fucked up, but there's got to be times where you need parking or you're trying to get tickets to a game. Bro, you got to pick the right half, bro. You saw at MetLife Stadium. Look, nobody was there. Nobody was there.

Well, that's the other thing. It's like, I'm sure we can get a few athletes. I don't know. Listen, you say half, right? Yeah, half. So what if that half includes, right? Say we just say the NBA. What if that half includes the Warriors, the Rockets, the Bucks, the fucking Celtics?

Spots are opening. Spots are opening. There's some G League guys about to come up. Exactly. You're going to be upset. Don't get me wrong. You're going to be upset for a few months. And then you're going to think about what you could do.

You could be like, yo, I should be an astronaut. We missing half the astronauts? I got confused. I definitely was like, that's some bullshit. Also, what a trash job to be an astronaut. When they show empty city field or whatever, I was like, that's some bullshit. Sports wouldn't end. It's not banned. There's always more guys that'll step up and do it. Bro, all the men

in the world went to fight in World War II and we still had sports. It was just chicks playing softball. Things move on. Half the people in the universe, not the world, half the people in the universe disappear just randomly. You're going to be fucked up for a while.

I'm going to talk to my landlord. I'm going to refinance. It's going to be some differences in how much I pay in mortgage. If he's dusted, it's on. Bro, who's the first person you're calling to see if they're still there? Like, who's the first person, outside your family, who's the first person you work with

where you're like, yo? Everybody at the IRS. Right? Say, hey, we still doing taxes? Who the fuck is fighting? Yo, stop this fight and shit. He no longer exists. All right?

Okay? Stop this shit. Yo, that's the tricky thing, is like Organizing afterwards I would love to see that I'd love to see literally What happens when half goes They might do that

You know they got six shows Coming to Disney Okay So they have six Marvel TV shows And the TV shows Are connected To the actual

Marvel Universe So they have The Loki joint The Loki joint Which is gonna be dope Which was another Top dope Marvel movie Is it with the Fucking joint the Loki joint which is gonna be dope which was another that's how dope Marvel is bro it's up to fucking Tesseract

is it with Tom Hiddleston still? yes like everybody from the movies is playing in the TV shows smart so him taking that Tesseract and disappearing he created an alternate reality

alternate reality so the show is based off him going to different moments throughout history and just being mischievous so it's just like he can do that all day with the motherfucking Tesseract

so they can start from that scene in the movie and launch into his TV show. Hawkeye, same thing. They're doing a Hawkeye TV show. Him training his daughter at the beginning. Can we acknowledge

how fucking white that is? That Loki's just like, I'm going to cause some trouble in the past. Just a bored fucking white guy. He's the God of Mischief though. I know, but like,

being the God of Mischief is just the most bored white guy thing to do. Yeah, that's some privilege. You're just rich as fuck. I got nothing to do.

I'm just going to travel time and go mess with Jesus. I'm going to change one of these commandments. I'm going to tell a confession. Is that a change of commandments?

I'm going to say Moses Dowson I killed myself bad. It's like endless stories. Yes. You can't lose. They're not going to I'm gonna tell Is that a change of I'm gonna tell Moses Dow She's not killed Not so bad It's like endless stories Yes You can't lose They're not gonna stick

To like comic book It's gonna be Quantum Leap With Loki Quantum Leap with Loki Exactly Quantum Leap with the Marvel character Which they referenced In Endgame

They did They referenced Quantum Leap They referenced every Dope ass time travel movie All time show movies Or TV shows Oh right right right Yo I'm not gonna lie I think we're getting close To time travel I think it time show movies or TV shows in the past. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right. Yo, I'm not gonna lie.

I think we're getting close to time travel. I think it's already here. Maybe it's already here. I think it's already here. My feeling is once you start to see shit with regularity in movies,

it means that like the creatives are wrapping their head around these concepts. If the creatives are wrapping their heads around the concepts, the scientists have been figured something out. I think it's all,

I actually think everything's running parallel and we don't even realize it. What do you mean? I think the past, the present, and the future is all running parallel with each other. Like it's not even about going backwards. I think they're all running parallel with each other. Time isn't linear like a lot of people think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think so. We just experience it like that so we think that's how it exists. Exactly. Yeah. And you realize. I don't think so. We just experience it like that so we think that's how it exists. Exactly. Yeah. And you realize that when you go to LA,

you realize that when you go out of the country. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like when you're out of your country and it's like different time zones and the earth and sun

is operating different and it's dark over here and daytime over here. Like you realize that. Like I think it's all just running parallel with each other. You want to get fucked up? You want to get really fucked up?

What? There's this concept called space time. Okay? And the further you are, it gets a little tricky but just bear with me. Let's say you're in a spaceship and you're just flying or a plane or whatever it is and you're just going around the earth. Right?

You're just flying around the earth, right? You're just flying around the earth, right? You will age slower. Really? Than if you're on here. Now, a microsecond, but you will age slower. So increase that by, you know, tenfold speed, you'll age ten times slower, right? Really?

And it's because the closer that we reach, the closer we come to the speed of light, what's it, what's it? Well, yeah, we're talking about the theory of relativity, but also like how space-time functions, right? So the closer you come to the speed of light, time slows down. So the theory with space travel is if you can go faster

than the speed of light, because we all exist as a function of light. So if you can go faster than the speed of light, time slows down. So the theory with space travel is if you can go faster than the speed of light, because we all exist as a function of light. So if you can go faster than the speed of light, you could reverse time, essentially. Right? So the closer you get to the speed of light, time slows down. Right? So essentially, you could go fast enough where me and you,

let's say I was in space and I'm going so fucking fast around the earth and you're chilling here. I could come back. I would have aged a year. You could have aged 20. Wow. We're existing in the same time. Just like you said. You're 20 years older.

I'm one. That's that movie Inception. Remember Inception? Where he's the same age and she's not? Yeah. And it's because he existed. Remember, they were going around that planet at a way faster speed because of the gravitational pull, right? Interstellar.

Interstellar, not Inception. Interstellar. So exactly what you're saying. Everything is a function of light, not a function of time, right? Time is invented. What is a second? We just made up what a second is, right? So what you're saying about there being multiple realities

and them all existing at the same time is absolutely true. Yeah, I mean, like I said, when you're out in the country and it's something totally different going on in one place, daytime, it's 3 o'clock in the afternoon, but it could be midnight somewhere. It's already tomorrow somewhere. But it's all running parallel, that's what I'm saying, but it's all running parallel, whether we realize it or not.

You could call someone right now and be like, yo, what's tomorrow like? Right? That's a fact. Depending where they're at. You call Australia right now and be like, yo, how's it tomorrow? And they'll be like, it's sunny. You'll be like, oh, where it at?

Sun came up? You know what I mean? Yeah, but I enjoy it in-game, bro. Bro, it's so good. And like I said, the Hawkeye thing is going to spin off into the Hawkeye TV show Scarlet Witch has her own show yeah I'm not big

into that character I don't even know what she does she's dope but I don't know what she does which one is Scarlet Witch again

the Olsen twin Olsen twin that's the Olsen twin no she's not a twin she's Olsen's sister though she's sisters with Olsen twins what no no I thought that was Mary-Kate Asher no no no that's the oldest one no she's not twin she's olsen's sister though she's sisters with olsen twins what no no no no that's the other one yeah but she got the powers the way she could control your mind you know what i'm saying but she i she's dope she's been dope in

the comics as well that's the that's the the biggest problem i have with marvel and that's only after watching endgame you really realize how much they have not developed the dope-ass women characters that exist in the Marvel Universe. And that scene where they was pandering like a motherfucker exposed it totally. If they go all in on kind of growing those characters, and now you're just like the next five years is women characters being shoved down our throat, does the Marvel stock drop? No, it it gotta be the right people like people that are like i don't want to they're pandering i don't do all this yeah if they try to make mantis a thing you know what i'm saying like mantis is good with guardians nebula's good with guardians uh what's what's um uh what's her name oh i can't think her name

the other character the green zoe saldana zo Zoe Saldana. She's good with the Guardians, you know what I mean? But I don't think we need a whole A-Force movie, not with them. Right. You know, I would like to see stronger characters if they do an A-Force movie. Like, you got to do She-Hulk. You got to figure out a way to introduce She-Hulk.

You got to figure out a way to introduce Dazzler. You got the rights to Fox back, so you got to introduce Storm and Rogue and all of these people. Dazzler's a female character. Yeah. What is she? She's a stripper from Atlanta?

Hold on. I'll tell you the whole A-Force right now. Matter of fact, I can show you A-Force. I actually sent this picture to somebody the other day because I was trying to show them who the A-Force is and why that scene was so whack because you have a strong female team already. While you're looking that up,

the other scene that I thought was pandering, when they're in the like AA meeting, and then the guy was talking about the date, he went on. That was actually one of the directors of the movie. He was? Yeah, that was one of the Russo brothers.

Really? Yes. All right, let me shut up. So, this is the A-force. They got Medusa. And see,

Marvel fucked up the Inhumans. Inhumans came on ABC. That was a TV show. And Medusa was the tall chick with all the big red hair. She-Hulk isn't like big and gross. Nah. Oh, thank God. I thought it was going to be like Shrek.

So it's like Marvel has access to some of those characters. They just fucked them up. Like Medusa was on the ABC TV show. Medusa should have been... I mean, I don't know how you introduce Inhumans in this Marvel Phase 3, but that's why I said it was such a waste. Like it was cool to see all the women on the ABC TV show, when Deuces had been, I mean, I don't know how you're introducing humans in this Marvel Phase 3, but that's why I said it was such a waste. Like, it was cool to see all the women on the screen together,

but if you're going to really do that, let's do it right. They should have the important characters. Yes, man. Those are going to build, not just call every woman on set and be like, get in this shot. Yes, but they'll end up getting it right more so

when they introduce the X-Men, because X-Men got all the dope female characters. Right. Jean Grey, Stone Rose. And they've been developed a little bit more. Like, what's her face? The Phoenix or whatever like that. That's Jean Grey.

Yeah, Jean Grey. It's like, we actually have an interesting backstory with her. We have a love story. We have, like, violence. There's unpredictability with her. This is something I can watch. The other characters

are just hot chicks. You know what I mean? And, like, I don't think that's enough to, like, push. I don't think that's enough to push... I don't think that's enough to push the... I'm not saying push the envelope, but I don't think that's enough to support the film or series. I need to...

Wolverine, the reason why we love him is because there's an unpredictability. There's an evil side to him that he's constantly fighting back and forth. He has some anti-hero. So who's the female anti-hero? Establish these female characters more as you're a hot chick. Give them the same depth as you gave the male characters.

And Thanos. Let me find out who you are first. Show some sort of vulnerability. Don't just throw it on screen for the hell of it. Exactly. We need different ones. We need Captain Brie Larson's Captain Marvel. We need her. And then we need the anti Brie Larson's Captain Marvel Yes We need her

And then we need like The anti-hero one Like you said Yes We need the one that Not so good Maybe you don't want to Rue for it

But you still rue for it But we need a badass We need a Wolverine We need depth in these characters Yeah If they want to move forward With the female characters I want a female character

That's using her powers To like fuck dudes Shut up man Yeah Like I want that shit No but they need to use Their sexuality Like that needs to be a thing.

Mystique. Mystique would do that. She would dead ass do that. She's a villain, though. She was me-tooing dudes, the whole thing, right? But they need to build up the villains, too. Right? Just like people fucking love Thanos.

I thought they did a great job with Thanos, bro. That's what I'm saying. If you really want to move forward and really expand and get into the women, you need women to do that, too. You need a woman Thanos. There was a, I was watching this little thing with George R.R. Martin. He's the guy that wrote Game of Thrones. And they asked him, he was like, you know, why do you think that fantasy is so white?

And like white male, pretty much. And he goes, I'll be honest with you, because, you know, myself and Tolkien. Tolkien is the guy who wrote Lord of the Rings and all those books. He goes, we'll be honest with you because myself and Tolkien, Tolkien is the guy who wrote Lord of the Rings and all those books, he goes, we're old white guys. This is the world that we know, this is the world we grew up in and this is the source information for what we're talking about.

We're old white guys. He's like, hopefully people of color are inspired by this and they start to create fantasy in their world and using the characters from their world, and you get to see more of it. But you usually just reference what it is that you know. And I thought it was a great answer for it because it's easy to just throw a bunch of female characters in one scene and be like, I am woman, here we roar. But we see right through that shit. But when you have something that comes across as authentic like Black Panther came across as

very authentic I think that's the reason why it resonated you know outside you have Coogler you have these other people but it just felt

it was a world it felt real it felt believable it was a world that they developed that scene they just threw all of the women

characters that they have that's really that's all it was that they have and even added one with Pepper Potts in the Iron Man suit

and said boom we hear we hear you, ladies. You know, we hear y'all. The future is female. Like, man, if y'all don't get the fuck out of here with that silly shit. Because it's actually disrespectful to women, to me. I mean, listen, I know a lot of women like that. But if you're a comic book fan, you're like, man, come on, man. Like, you know those are secondary and third characters.

Other than Captain Marvel, other than Scarlet Witch, other than Valkyrie. Everybody else is secondary and third character. Yeah. Don't just throw that on the screen and say, here. Yeah. Especially when you got all these dope-ass other female characters you can develop. You know what I noticed when Black Panther characters showed up? I was way more excited for, like, the sister.

Oh. Like, Letitia Wright and what's the soldier's name with the bald head? No, the female soldier with the bald head? No, the female soldier with the bald head. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. I'm more excited for them two than I was for Chadwick Boseman.

Because he's the most boring part of that movie. At that moment, I was like, oh, I'm more invested in them than I am actually like Chadwick Boseman. I didn't like them

in that scene either, though. But those are characters build them out. Blow them out the wall. Let's go with them. Like the little girl, what's her name? Shuri.

Shuri. She becomes Black Panther at one point see this is and that'll be amazing I'm not gonna lie and that was my biggest knock on Black Panther

is that Black Panther was the most boring part of the movie it's like you had all these really amazing characters that surrounded him and they built it was like Seinfeld

you know it's like Seinfeld's the worst part of Seinfeld it's the world of Wakanda it is really the world of Wakanda that was the start they have comics called the world of. It's the world of Wakanda. It is really the world of Wakanda. That was the start. They have comics called the world of Wakanda.

And the world of Wakanda is a character in the whole story. Okay, so where does Marvel go from here? Obviously, we know the different movies that are coming out, but what do we want to see? I'm going to be honest with you. I haven't even thought about it, and I'm going to tell you why I haven't thought about it. Because you just went 20 years and 50 hours of movies

to get this conclusion you want to break i get it but didn't that feel good though like it didn't feel good that it was no post credit scene they didn't leave nothing untied like all of us can just breathe for a second including the characters like just yeah like before another universal threat comes because now they around in space so it's gonna be all types of of shit. It might be Galactus, you know, like some crazy shit like that. So it's just like, great. But I mean, they dropped a lot of Easter eggs

in this movie though. They did? Yeah. Like, when they had the holograms and the holograms were talking to Scarlet Witch, Black Widow,

and the woman from Black Panther says there was an earthquake under the water and Black Widow goes, what are y'all going to do about it? And she goes, nothing. That was in Namor, the submarine of Easter Egg. Namor is a badass. He's the king of Atlantis, you know, that lives underwater. And him and Black Panther have a beef, but then eventually Namor becomes a hero.

But Namor is going to be fire. And it's like Aquaman made all that money for DC. If y'all think Aquaman was dope, wait till y'all see Namor. Because Namor been cool. Aquaman just got cool. Aquaman wasn't cool in high school. Right. Aquaman was fucking Vince from Entourage.

All right? All right? He got cool later on in life because of the way DC set him up. Namor been cool since the comics. So he's somebody people want to see. So that's going to be interesting. They got a Howard the Duck cartoon. Why?

Howard the Duck has been in movies. He was in both Guardians. He was in Endgame. What does he do? What does he do? He's just a wisecracking duck. But first of all, Howard was Marvel's...

I didn't catch him in the movie. Yeah, Howard was Marvel's first movie. So they just want to go back and get it right. It's ego. But what does he do? Like, what is his superpower? None. He's a wisecracking duck.

Like the little fox that's there now. Yeah, but the fox at least is like brave and he can shoot guns. Howard had a gun in Endgame. Oh, he did? Yeah, I'm trying to find the picture. I had the fucking picture saved. It went over my head yeah i did not notice this he was behind he was behind the wasp i know i had that

fuck let me see i know can we okay while you look that up oh here it is oh it's a tiny little easter egg ah yes yes yes yes yes he was an engine so they got the cartoon coming but think about it Howard can start from there right he can like he's been cracking jokes saying I was at the fucking war

like whatever and it'd be like what and then they can flash to that shit and then go into the cartoon like it was like Marvel got so much dope shit going on man I want to salute

Paul fucking Rudd because he's 51 years old this guy is 51 first of all a white 51 and to look like that is unbelievable. He's got the

tesseract. No, he really might be in the quantum realm. He might be, bro. He might be, bro. They just sent him out to space in between filming. He's 51. So here's the thing with Paul Rudd, right? The guy comes out with the movie Ant-Man

now you may a way bigger comic book fan than I am I'm literally going oh my god they're taking a cash grab cause they need to

I never liked Ant-Man I never liked it I never I saw the movie I thought it was hilarious it was entertaining I thought it was great and I'm like

holy shit Paul Rudd doesn't flop I cannot think of a movie that this guy has flopped in. Go. There was like the one where he's like dating Tina Fey. Like there's this movie that like didn't like. It is rare that he flops.

Sure. And here's the thing. Usually directors, if you follow them, they won't flop. But actors can have some bumbles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy does not flop. And then he comes in this movie. Bro, it's like he stole every fucking scene.

Every scene he was in. Yeah, he thought he stole every scene. Holy shit. I actually just thought he carried his own, which says a lot. I thought he stole every scene. He was funny. He's a very pivotal point in Endgame.

He is. Very, very pivotal point in Endgame. And it's like every little dramatic moment, every little dramatic moment, he would kind of cut the legs out in a good way to lighten the mood a little bit. Like he just he did. He was so fucking good. He also showed us the sense of urgency of what happened after the snap because he came out of the quantum realm and he was the first person just walking around the world.

And experiencing it in that moment live. And that freak out. And if we didn't have that, I don't think the first person just walking around the world. And experiencing it in that moment live. And that freak out. And if we didn't have that, I don't think it would have done justice to the environment. He got to experience it in one second. He didn't see the world fall apart.

It was apart and he opened his eyes. That was great. It was so great. And he started giving everybody hope because he saw his daughter. His daughter was like, oh my God,

I thought she was gone. The Avengers thought he was gone. He was on the wall. He was on the wall. Scott Lang. His daughter was like, oh my God, I thought you was gone. The Avengers thought he was gone. He was on the wall. Scott Lang. He's the one that explained to them, for you guys, it's been five years. For me,

it's been like- One minute. Or however long. Five minutes. Five minutes. Yeah, it wasn't long at all. So he explained that to them.

They're like, oh shit, so we can still pull him back and it's not like, we're not fucking sure. Yeah. No, I get it.

He was really important to the story, but I'm talking about just like from an acting perspective. I thought he was so good. I thought he carried his own. You know how good you gotta be to make people care about you? But to me, when I watch it, I'm talking about just like from an acting perspective I thought he was so good I thought he carried his own you know how good you gotta be to make people care but to me

when I watch it I'm like Robert Downey Jr. still just washes everyone I thought Robert Downey Jr. was subdued in this one I know and he still

washes everyone and then usually yes usually his charisma is off the chart but I thought he was supposed to downplay at this yeah if I had to rank him

for me it's Captain America number one I thought he bodied it I thought he was supposed to downplay at this. If I had to rank him, for me, it's Captain America number one. I thought he bodied it. He usually sucks, but he killed this shit. I've never liked Captain America as much in a movie as I did in this one. He bodied this shit. He didn't have to carry anything.

Usually when he has to carry the movie and push the plot forward and be the hero, it's annoying and you get over him. But when he just said to come in and be this all-around good guy that is cap i can ride with it yeah captain america ant-man those are my top two and man bro it was robert it was robert downey jr and. I thought Thor was okay in this movie. Usually he got more of the work. He was fantastic

in Ragnarok. Yes. Fantastic in it. All of his movies. I thought he carried straight through. His method acting was great. He's so good.

In this one. For him to play a fucking depressed, fat fuck after being super sexy the whole fucking Marvel universe, that shit was dope, bro.

I gotta find out who does punch-up for these movies. Punch-up is like when you already have the script and then they usually hire some comedic writers to add some of the lines. Because the little shit that they would do, like, remember when Thor is in his homeland, he's in Asgard, he's talking to his mom and he wants to see if he still has the power

for the hammer. He puts his hand out and then the mom goes, sometimes it takes a second. That shit was so dope. Just these little lines to give you a nice little chuckle. Move it on. Or at the end when he's talking to my favorite, Peter Quinn. He's like,

you're the captain. His delivery is incredible. It's amazing because he's a god. Imagine being a god amongst men and you're trying to make everybody feel amazing because he's a god. So imagine being a god amongst men and you're trying to make everybody feel comfortable because he could be the captain if he really wanted to be the captain. He don't even need the ship.

He could just be outside. Exactly. I can carry this whole shit. Oh, I saw something. Is there anything about Thor and Captain Marvel ever like linking up? It looked like there was a little chemistry. I never saw that in the comics.

I could see like little Thor, like Chris Hemsworth, Brie Larson. They were making him flirt a little bit. I never saw that in the comics. I could see like little Thor, like Chris Hemsworth, Brie Larson. They were making him flirt a little bit. A little Marvel rom-com down the line. Is that in play? Oh my God, that'd be horrible.

Maybe. But I think they're making her lesbo because the hair. Because of that haircut? Yeah. No, no, she got that in the comics. But she had the long hair.

No, in the comics, she had the short hair. Oh, she did? The short hair is true to the comic book. Ah. The long hair is not. Okay. The Captain Marvel short hair is true to the comic book the long hair is not ah okay

the Captain Marvel short hair cut is true to the comic book okay that's fair that's Carol Danvers in the comics okay so alright we gotta wrap this up but before we wrap it up

emotional scenes in it did you guys tear up at all I didn't cry at all cause I felt like really I felt like every death son

I felt like every son I felt like every death I felt like every death was honorable now I can tell you the scenes that made me feel exactly and I haven't had

this feeling since Rocky bro I'm talking about when Rocky used to be like getting fucked up and then you're like

oh shit that scene when Thanos is like I don't usually take this shit personal but I'm about to enjoy tanning this little fucking stubborn ass planet up. Captain America's just like, fuck. So he loosens this shit up like, I guess this is about to be it because I'm going out. And then all of a sudden you hear Falcon like, Cap, to the left, to the left.

And all the portals start opening up and fucking Black Panther didn't walk out further. Oh my God, that shit was awesome. Goosebumps, bro. I got goosebumps right now. That shit was awesome. and all the portals start opening up and fucking Black Panther didn't walk out oh my god that shit was goosebumps oh I got goosebumps right now that shit was that shit was awesome

there's there's a there's a there's one scene alright you know when all the guys start coming out they start handing off

the gloves I wish that they saved Spider-Man a little bit more so for example they kind of just threw him in there he just swung in

threw him in with everybody else. This is what I was hoping, right? You have all the guys coming through the portals, all that kind of stuff and everybody's handing off the glove and next thing and then someone drops the glove,

whoever it is and then right before Thanos or one of his lackeys is about to pick it up, out of nowhere, you just hear and it's the web. You just see web on glove

and then he snacks it. That would have been good. And then he's like, oh, no, wait, sorry, I was a little late, guys. Or whatever line he absolutely says. There's one thing that was a little unrealistic about the Spider-Man shit. Which one? There's no buildings, yet he's still web-slinging. Holy shit.

I mean, like, my man's shooting right into the sky, like, to clouds. Like, what the fuck are you swinging on, bro? When there's no buildings, he's limited. He stuck to Thor's hammer. I remember that. Because Captain America threw the hammer, and he shot out, and he flew on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember him flying all the time.

I got to go back and watch that scene. I saw him swinging around. I was like, ooh, we taking liberties. I got to go back and watch that scene. He definitely flew into the scene. Oh, he flew into the scene. The first scene, he flew in. He definitely did that.

But Spider-Man is more of a city superhero. He's not very effective in the superheroes. He's a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Yeah, but as long as your neighborhood got some altitude. You know what I mean? If you got a problem in the suburbs, don't call Spider-Man. It's over. What about the scene?

What was the emotional scene? Oh, yeah. I love you 3,000, man. When he says that well yeah oh yeah i love you 3000 man when he says it at the end i love you honorable death no no no there was the one where it was super emotional the uh you know something about like oh when when when stark tony stark is talking to his pops and remember he says some shit about like no dollar is worth more than time or something like that oh no that was no, that was a jerk. That was like, ooh. Yeah, that felt crazy.

I like Robert Downey Jr.'s acting in that moment because he was acting really frazzled so much that he forgot to stomp. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You're forgetting your briefcase. Yeah. That was a hell of a scene. But that was another scene that added closure to a storyline. Yeah.

Like Tony had never gotten to say goodbye to his pops. To his pops, yeah. He got the opportunity to do it. Like, that shit was, listen, man. They wrapped up everything perfectly. There's not even Thor with his mother. It's beautiful. Like, there was not one storyline that we've seen over the past 10 years that didn't get tied up.

The only problem I have plot-wise is they never explained why the Hulk wouldn't come out in Infinity War. Yeah, I thought we were going to see him. They never explained why. Why do you think? I really don't know. Joe Russo said it was because he wasn't scared of Thanos. But the only thing I'm thinking is the Hulk, who's his own personality, got tired of being used, bro. You know what I'm saying?

You act like you don't like me, but when you're in some fucking trouble, your little friend's in trouble, now you want to fucking call on me. Fuck you. And that's why he said in the movie all the time, I've been looking at him like he was a disease, but he was actually the cure. So instead of like starting to suppress his inner struggle, he embraced it.

That's the only thing I got from it. I think at the time that they would have put into that, they put into picking out his sweaters. Because his sweater game was legit. Fire. Legit. Fire. Yo, and then the pajama jeans that he had on.

I did love that scene where he was like the celebrity, like they're in the diner and he was the celebrity. I loved that shit. It was cool. Anyway, man, this has been another episode

of Wester Bros, man. Thank y'all so much for coming in. Guys, Charlamagne, thank you for doing this. Word. Haney, thank you for doing this. Alex thank you for doing this Alex Media Dwayne we appreciate you yeah man just what a

there's that one fucking scene I'm forgetting what exactly did he say in the one where we broke down in the movie theater which one how'd it go what did Spider-Man say to him don't go

don't go don't go Mr. Starks don't go Mr. Starks oh what is but the wife what the wife said you can rest now Tony the two

and like before like I knew so I knew he was gonna die obviously yeah cause Robert Downey Jr. wasn't gonna be in the movie

no more but I saw that line on social media a lot oh you can rest now Tony oh I didn't see that I can't see that I avoided all spoilers so I'm just like oh that's gonna be something so when it happened I was like you can rest now, Tony. Oh, I didn't even see that. I avoided all spoilers. I didn't even see that.

Oh, that's going to be something. So when it happened, I was like, you can rest now, Tony. It still hit. Because he had anxiety

and depression and PTSD from the first alien invasion. They explored that totally in Iron Man 3. Yes. That's why it was so dope to have the little kid from Iron Man 3

at his funeral. Yeah, nobody knew who that kid was. You know what I'm saying? He was the kid who ended up in his basement. Remember he was in some guy's basement in a basement, not basement, a garage in a random neighborhood and there was like a kid in there.

So that kid ends up at the funeral. All right, I got to end this game. My man, be good, dude. Thanks so much for doing it. Peace. Hey, thank you guys so much for listening to another episode of Western Bros. We have the final three episodes of Game of Thrones remaining. We drop every single Monday morning, bright and early Monday morning.

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