Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - Why Women Want Effort, “Girl Bosses” Ruined Dating, Samay Raina & Ranveer Allahbadia Controversy

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

YERRR we're breaking down why your girl and you aren't understanding one another in this week's ep and we got some insider info! We get Akaash's thoughts on India's recent comedy controversy, and discuss the trash NBA All-Star weekend and how to fix it. All that and much much more on today's episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE 00:00 Women are upset with their men??? 15:35 Effort, "Married" life + Freezing eggs 22:27 Girl bossing ruined women's lives 26:33 Ex-wives' rights + Alimony too? 32:46 Make some effort, Cost per nut + Oxytocin 49:43 Running game, actual ick + Big City Dating 55:12 Catfishing, Apps ain't it + expectations v effort 1:05:03 Dating older + Chivalry 1:12:29 What are our expectations? 1:23:30 Comedy controversy in India 1:34:03 Trump, Where's the line? Fall out in India 1:49:41 Stakes bring excitement 1:52:11 Fixing NBA All-Star weekend 2:01:19 Medieval Fighting Follow us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/join/Flagrant Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? Welcome to Flaygrant. I hope everybody had a wonderful Valentine's Day. I posted something on Instagram recently and women had quite the reaction to it. I posted this on Instagram not thinking it would get much. 12 million views later it turns out women aren't that happy with us and by us I don't just mean Alex, Mark, Akash, and Andrew. I mean just men in general. It seems like there's some frustration. Let's play the clip so that everybody has some context. What do you think about effort? Like, why is the effort doesn't matter when I go to work?

What is this? I want you to write a card. What are you talking about? Write a card. Explain to me the effort. Right? Cause like- If your girl orders food for you or cooks food for you,

which one means more? I like it when she cooks, but if she was like, I'd rather just order it. And I'm totally cool with that. I just like the fact that she put she like the reaction from women about this clip was absolutely insane. We could have had a woman on the podcast, but that would go against our principles. Yes.

So I think it's just up to the boys to figure out what is going on. Are these women frustrated with us? It would appear so, dude. It would appear so. Yeah. Those are just the lonely ones celebrating Galentine's Day. What is Galentine's Day?

The ones that they just hang out with their girls because they don't have actual Valentine's day. Oh, so you're saying that there was an emotional state that they were in and they really wish a guy would go put out some effort. I think there's also a lot of women who got shitty Valentine's. Yeah.

They're really driving this. The first comment was like, he's 41 years old, mind you. And I wanted to be like, this is a long time ago. We were late 30s at that point. I still got a card I haven't written for my wife. And not only was it Valentine's, it was her 30th birthday.

I killed it. I gave her a great fucking weekend. It was awesome. And that has nothing to do with the fact that I have an assistant now that I can outsource the effort to. But yeah. That's what I would definitely suggest.

She didn't think it was weird that her handwriting was so nice all of a sudden. Well, she kept, who are these flowers from? Tess and me? I was like, me? I just say me no matter what is in the house. I did that. I got that. Who shit on the floor? Me? That was me. Definitely wasn't Kiana. We hope. Okay? That's actually my suggestion, first of all. Get an assistant.

Because all the thoughtful ideas that come to your head, but you're like, but then I got to do it, you can outsource to them. Dude, I saw you walking out of the studio one day, and your sister was like, hey, here's a birthday gift for your friend. And you were like, really, what is this? And she was like, they're the paddle shoes you mentioned. And I was like, oh, that's why you get them.

Stop snitching, man, Jason. I know, Jason, Jason, that came from me. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I say it from my heart, Jason. Who knows what you're trying to say? Yeah, but I was the only one guy who played paddle with them listening to the podcast. I was like, fuck that.

Guys don't care about effort. Yeah, it touched his soul, bro. When I showed him them shoes, he was like shaking as he opened it, because I thought he was gonna be like vibrators and dildos inside or something like that, but it was a real pair of paddle shoes. Anyway, I think it's worth to have this discussion.

It seems as if women feel like we're not putting in the effort that we should be putting in. Yeah, yeah, I even saw a random TikTok recently after this conversation, we were talking about it, and some girl was like, I can't even go on a date with a guy if he's not gonna put in a reservation at a restaurant. Yes.

She said, that's a red flag. If you're not gonna make a reservation, we're not going on a date. So, so this is interesting. You brought this up yesterday when we were discussing it. There are these things that have become very popular for women to talk about. Red flags, you said this up yesterday when we were discussing it. There are these things that have become very popular for women to talk about. Red flags, you said the ick.

And all these things I think are really downstream from women wanting guys to put in effort. Right? Now here's where it gets interesting. And we do need to bring in the girls for this, so maybe grab them. But this is, okay, this is a kind of true thing. Women's greatest fear, I believe, is being alone. Men's greatest fear is being with a woman we don't want to be with. Yeah.

Okay? Well, you can couch the women one. What do you mean? I think they're also a little afraid of getting murdered and stuff. No, no. I'm talking about a relationship, emotional kind of fear, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. We're speaking... speaking. Some relationships. Great exaggeration. And I still think alone Trumps. Yeah, they would rather be alone because when they're alone they didn't. Hey, hey, really hypothetical that women were like, would you rather be alone with a bear or a man? Everybody chose bear. I bet if you said bear or alone, they'd be like, give me the bear again. Okay, guys, so now we have, there's a microphone right there that I need you all to... We're turning to a Red Pill podcast. Let's go. The second, yes.

We're checking out of the studio in 30 seconds. Imagine the second they started talking about all of us just walked a single file out of the house. I mean, we got that on camera. I hope we got that on camera. What is Tanya trying to do? Somehow it turned into a hose. She was like, whoa, I can't even...

We try, we try. Okay, so yesterday at some point, I? Somehow it turned into a hose. She was like, whoa, I can't even. We try, we try. Okay, so yesterday at some point, I think that Mark was being very diplomatic, but there is no room for diplomacy in this conversation. At some point during our conversation yesterday, during our production call,

you guys voiced this feeling that like, a woman's greatest fear is being alone. You fear being alone more than being with a guy you don't like. Some women, yes. Okay, this is another thing. Tanya's a fucking guy and all of her opinions are going to reflect exactly how we feel, which I think why when we first met her we were like, this shit's fucking awesome. That was awesome.

Yeah. But I think it also depends on age. Point the mic towards you. We need Dub in here or something. This is so funny to do. Get Dub in here so we can sit next to them and manage the women. We need the four dump in here Here so we could sit next to them First of all age and where you live that's like a big thing. Okay, like if you're like what I was like a 25 year old Living in Montreal and everyone was coupled up. Yeah, then it feels like oh it sucks to be alone because

You no longer have fun things to do with your friends when everyone's coupled up and getting married and buying houses and shit. And you're just lonely and dying. Yeah. And also everyone's like pressure. It's like societally, like that is an age in which you have to be settling down. Okay. If you're 25 in New York.

Would you rather be with a guy you don't like or not? I don't want to ask this question to you. Yeah, don't ask me that question. You know my answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you don't even- Ask a real girl. Tanya doesn't even want to be with guys that she likes. We were having a discussion yesterday,

and Tanya was like, I'll be honest, these guys are so fucking annoying. They just want to spend time with me. And Alex was talking about, which I think might be a common theme here, that I didn't even realize. Female Alex. It's not male outs. We have a female, one ex Alex here. And she brought this feeling about, about like girls would rather be with somebody than be by themselves.

Yeah, but I think it's also pretty point the mic up a little bit just toward you. Oh, yes. Sorry. The lady Mike that needs to be shared. Yeah, I think it's like subconscious that you don't realize that you hate him. You're just like, oh yeah, guys don't know how to plan dinner reservations. So you resent him so much and you don't even know why. OK, so this is we're going to get to a good thing.

This is going to hurt a lot of our feelings because we're going to realize that our significant other is here for this is this is an important thing. This is important. This is because I feel this all the time. Like, does my wife hate me? And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but here's the thing, but it's not my fault. They don't want wanna be alone so bad

that they will be with guys that they don't like. Yeah. They don't even like us. They just hate being alone. And now they resent us because they don't wanna be alone. It's their fault. It's their fault.

Yes, this is the eureka moment yesterday. No, I feel- I'm miserable because of you. We've been telling you this this whole time. We're like, we're good people than anything. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no blame that. No, no, exactly. Right. Because this whole time that I was thinking my wife hates me and she's like, I love you more than they think. No, no, no. She hates being alone. Yes. Toxic femininity. Yes. Now we're talking about it. Finally, we have women here to be the faces. We just resent how stupid you are. Here we go. Stupid and lazy.

Okay. So, so, so, but here's the question. The messaging, I feel like from like society and the moms out there, especially Jewish moms, I think religion is a huge part of this. Are you Jewish also? Yes. Yuck. Yuck. I'm not sure you're that.

So, by the way, we didn't know how to lie to her until after we left. Yes. I just took it in. She didn't read the entire story. I was gonna tell you. She didn't think that it. I didn't even look at somebody's face. This is crazy. I'm gonna point point out this is so funny.

We need to get done with it real quick. So, Tanya, Alex and Kiana, okay? Kiana is my assistant and she was here like two days, right? And we were staying super late, we were working on something and she started bringing up this idea of like, she's like, yeah, but you're spending all this money on Ubers. And there's a certain situation where you could potentially get a car and you could, you know, have a driver for the car and that driver would be available to you whenever you want, but actually less than all these Ubers. You should run that numbers. And we're talking and then Doug,

and Doug just like stops and he gazes at her, right? And Keanu is Chinese and Belizean, right? And he gazed at her and he goes, are you Jewish? He's like, are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish?

Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish?

Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish?

Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? Are you Jewish? want you to get married. They really want you to get married. Because they want you to be miserable like them. Yeah, exactly. And they want to pass it down. Women didn't just invent this of like, oh, I don't need to be alone. It's the messaging of like, oh, well, all men are terrible. No man knows how to make a dinner reservation

or write you a note or send you a playlist that they had thought of. So it's just like, okay, well, then you might as well just pick one. You're gonna hate them anyway. So the expectation is that we all suck, right? You're gonna hate us anyway. That's solid for us.

Yeah, but when we live up to that expectation, you guys are still upset about it. I, ah, sometimes. I just wanna point the thing about the playlist, which is very true, we don't do that. But today, I just wanna point this out. We don't make playlists that you would like, but today, Mark had a playlist ready on the computer,

white songs that black people like, just for Alex. That's what happens. Yeah, my mind teed it up. You're very thoughtful for wanting that. The effort you made today was phenomenal. Come on, bro, come on. My interracial effort is my big thing, okay? Not intergender, I don't believe

in that. That was a great display of romance. Right? Yeah. I had no fucking clue that a playlist was thought. Y'all like playlists? I think I do a lot of thought, but things that you lost my mind. Here's the thing. Anything that seems like you're paying attention. Yes. But there's the thing. We just pay. That's your guy's fault. We want you to pay. Exactly. Well then, if paying didn't matter, I really believe if paying didn't matter to you guys at all, then we would have to go the extra mile to elicit that same reaction. But unfortunately, paying for things works. But hold on, the paying is like a generosity thing.

And I think biologicallyologically we haven't evolved over time. We still want to make sure. We still want you to pay for chicks. We want to know you're generous. And when you expect us to have kids, we can't work anymore. Think about it like this. Eventually, you guys are going to want to ask that kids, we're going to ask them to

pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks.

We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to pay for chicks. We're going to ask them to, you guys are going to want to have kids, right? Eventually, you're going to want to have kids. This is why women got the right to vote. We can't work anymore. Because there was one Tanya woman out there that was like spitting to all the politicians.

I think that they could do it. Yeah. I've been thinking about women like Akash's wife, who are constantly on TikTok. Oh, this is another thing. If we make Akash's wife, we're talking about this. This is my goal now in life. I didn't know that Akash's wife was a serious influencer. She's like a big fucking deal. I watch hours of her TikTok. So here's the thing. I didn't know this.

Now that I know that she is an influencer on TikTok. You know what hurt my feelings? I've literally sent a video. Remember she made it on Fox News? I sent it to the Flager group. And you didn't pay attention. You paid no attention know what hurt my feelings? I've literally sent a video. Remember she made it on Fox News? I sent it to the Flag Group. And you didn't pay attention. You paid no attention and that hurt my feelings. That really hurt me. This guy's thoughtless. You know what hurt me? I resent you.

You know what hurt me? When you send me a video of your wife, that's what hurt me. When you know that I have other shit to do and you're like, watch my wife talk about this shit. That was the insulting thing to me. I hate you. Okay, I hate you.

And you know what I'm gonna do with that hate? I'm gonna make sure, and listen, I say this to all the flagrant listeners out there, the flagrant viewers, please, I beg of you, we need to make, what is her TikTok? Just lean with it, J-A-S-L-E-E-N. Just lean with it, we need to make, just lean with it, rock with it. We need to make, just lean with it, rock with it.

We need to make her the biggest fucking TikTok superstar on planet. Okay. You guys saw this one, her imitating me, right? My mom has the biggest titties. Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha!

Ha ha ha! Bitch, all right bitch, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck down bitch. Bitch. It's actually good, dude. Make fun of other Indians. Are you Gujarati, you cheap little bitch? Are you Punjabi, you dumb fucking bitch?

Are you Maloo, you dark bitch? It's me, dude. It's me. I'm just like saying what he would say. I don't say that. Oh, look at me. I'm Akash. I can't sleep.

I'm so tired. That's good. Yo, we gotta, I can't sleep. I'm so tired. That's good. That's good. That's good. That's good. Hey, just sleep with it. We need to make that the biggest TikTok count in the world. I just want to see. I love that.

If you thought you weren't sleeping now, wait until your wife is making more money. Guys, you should already know this, but if you do not march forth on Netflix, my new special life is coming out. I'm very excited for you all to see it. It's the thing I'm most proud of ever creating in my entire life. Thank you to every single one of you that came out to see the shows on the tour. If you were able to see those shows, watch that shit anyway. And if you weren't, here's the opportunity for you to see what that hour is like.

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But thank you guys so much for all the support and making this a possibility. So Life is coming out on Netflix March 4th. We are watching as a family. Let's get back to the show. We also gotta do dates. We added a sick show in Brea. Tickets are almost gone, they might be gone

by the time you get this. We'll try to add a seventh, but there is no real estate, so get tickets to do dates. We had a sick show in Brea. Tickets are almost gone. They might be gone by the time you get this. We'll try to add a seventh, but there is no real real estate. So get tickets to this one. Also Zany's in Nashville February 27th through March 1st, March 14th and 15th. I completely forgot I got shows in Tulsa, Oklahoma. So buy tickets to that. 21st and 22nd Omaha. A bunch of other dates. Aakash Singh.com. We're gonna add more April dates soon. Oh also hurry up and buy April 11th through 13th, I believe. Maybe 10th through 12th, but I'm pretty sure 11th through 13th in Tampa. All the dates got canceled when I had the flu. Those tickets are almost gone, so get your tickets for that.

AkashSingh.com. Now, let's get back to the show. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick. World's fastest ad read, all right? February 25th, New York City. I'm at Mary Lou doing my own show with a bunch of my friends. And then the 27th, I'm in Baltimore,

Belmore, New York, Long Island. That's already taking a while. No, I'm trying to go fast. March 1st, and then Rochester, New York, March 26th. Where do they find these dates, Mark? Portland, Maine, April 27th. Marking on a website. TheMarkYanagon.com.

Go get yourself a game. Please don't, somebody. Multiple people have done, try to do that after the shows. I'm married and I don't want this sexual interaction, so please don't do that, but please come to the shows that after the shows. I'm married and I don't want this sexual interaction. So please don't do that. But please come to the shows.

Come see me. Smell me in real life. I promise it's pretty good. All right, I'll see you guys there. The Mark Gallardo.com bye. Find out what his dick smells like. Not good. Okay, so you need more effort from us ladies.

And so what we're seeing right now is the complaints of a lack of effort. And that kind of like masqueraded as these other things like red flags and X etc. And that's what I think Mark was talking about. Where you don't really have red flags and X, you just date guys you don't like because you don't want to be alone and then you start describing the things you don't like about them. Yeah, yeah. But if you just don't date us. Agree. Don't date us! That's what they're doing. We haven't heard from Keanu's minority ash.

Well, it depends on how much is going on in your life. Sometimes you just don't want to spend any time with anyone. Sometimes you're really bored. So you're like, oh, he wasn't that bad. See, that's standards though. But what's crazy is... No, there are standards. But then it's like you get fed up really quickly, so then you're like, it's not worth the time.

Alex, what do you think about this? What are your feelings about this? You're so quiet over there. What's going on in your head right now? I wouldn't know. I make a lot of effort with my wife, so it's like it's one of those things where I can't... You haven't even made the effort to make her your wife. What are you effort with my wife. So it's like it's one of those things where you ever to make her your wife You don't get. She got a ring. She got a ring. I don't even like that word.

Like, what does that mean? Nah. I put it online. And once you put it online, that's... That's efficient. That's efficient. You don't even show her feet, bro. Yo.

I'm saying with all due respect. With all due respect. Okay. I know. I was talking to her. With all due respect. I don't even put the dogs on there. I know.

I'm not talking to her. That's crazy. I'm only looking at Alex's mom's feet. I'll do it. Imagine treating your mom worse than your fiance, bro. Or better. Or better. Or better.

Welcome to being married. I know. Yo, that's true. They get along now, right? Yeah. They've always gotten along. Yeah. Once you get married, that shit's

going to switch over immediately. They still playing nice with each other. Really? Oh yeah. That's not fun to look forward to at all. No, no, no. The second you get married... No, but I had to create a game to show effort.

So, me and my fiance do Christmas every month. So on the 25th of every month, we give each other a gift. So we have to listen to one another throughout the month and see if you pick up on Something that that person needs That's what I'm saying, you gotta gamify it Listen, listen, what he's done is brilliantly framed you framed now you're gonna make this shit on it I'm not gonna shit on it, but what he's gonna shit on it

But this is genius This is why you're really smart because you framed as this thing for her, and now she gets the effort that you want. But what you really did is create a device where anytime she wants to buy anything, you go, but it's not the 25th of the month yet. So why would you get that? No, because he can still buy it, but he got to listen. It's still his responsibility to get a gift that she didn't buy herself. Yes. So he got to actually listen. Buddy, you dug yourself into a fucking hole. It's already too many days to give a fuck.

Valentine's, birthdays, Christmas, India, I got Diwali, I got a fucking, oh my God. A funeral here and there. We added that into the mix. But some of us like hearing from our partners. It's not a hard thing. Is that your love language quality time? Because that shit, I did the test,

that's my least important. With any human being. Y'all get the fuck out my face, tell me you love me. Time is most important. Let's hug. Yo, that's a lie, bro. We used to spend so much time together. I know, yeah.

We lived together, we'd go out to eat until three in the morning every single night. You love quality time. Yeah, I was lonely. I'd rather be with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Oh, that is funny. You didn't actually like hanging out. You didn't watch the TikToks of my wife? This guy's thoughtless. You just didn't want to be alone. That's all.

I didn't know they were that funny, man. I'll be honest. I will subscribe. I just got TikTok back on my phone. Because I had a new phone. You didn't get TikTok until like two days ago. So now I'm locked in. Can I ask you a question about the rather be with somebody even if they suck?

Do you think it's rooted in biology and the biological clock? No. Yes and no. Hold on. I think yes, because it depends on how old you are. Let's let Tawny answer because her clock is all... I only got two months left. I was last looking like Beast and the Beast.

Just like... Am I gonna joke? Two of my best male friends have been coercing me to go get my eggs frozen. My male friends. Yeah, you should. But this is a hustle too. We were talking about this. Yeah, but also I think it is rude in that.

But I also think it's like if you're in your 30s, or mid 30s especially, and you've been with the guy for like a year, and you're like, fuck, I only have a couple more years left. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So then it's true. It is rooted in that. And then there's also intertwined, like all the other attachment stuff.

What's our maternity leave policy? Yeah, I don't think you got one. You know, it's funny is freezing your eggs is probably cheaper than maternity leave. And I wonder if that's why the businesses do it. They do do it that way. So in an oh, God, that's the 100 percent why the tech companies all do that. That's the worst type of sexism when it's frames as progressive. It's the same as PTO, by the way.

Why do you think companies do it? PTO. I don't know what that is. Don't even explain it. I don't want to know if there's something we should be giving In the fucking acronym Companies give unlimited PTO. How do you have a business? The whole point is when you give someone the mic for fuck's sake when you give someone two you give someone two weeks and then they don't take it, you have to pay them out for it. When it's unlimited and most people in tech companies, they won't even take their PTO.

Love that. They feel shame. They feel judgment. Exactly. It's like, especially in America, it's like you're always working, you're always working, even if you're traveling, you're answering emails. But then the companies don't have to pay them out. So it's like they do it for like a tax purpose.

Oh, you're saying if they don't take the two weeks off, they have to pay them for the time they work. So they do unlimited daytime off. They only take three days. So it's the same thing with the freezing your eyes bullshit. Yeah. We will ship in a freezer eggs though, right? Oh, thanks.

Yeah, actually. Would you? 100%. Yeah. A jar in the office. No, no, I would freeze it. I could work out a freezing situation. No, no, absolutely. I will definitely pay anybody here

that wants to freeze their eggs. We got a way to sit everybody. I hope Zach, you're listening. No, 100% I will. Well, no, Zach is gainfully employed. But you just offered. Yeah, fuck. Anyway, okay.

Is there a plan B fund? Should we put them in the studio though? Is that allowed? Oh, can we store them? Can we be the one to store them? Wait, is frozen eggs like an agro-crag? Just like in the corner? Before we forget allowed? Oh, can we store them? Yeah. You be the one that store them. Time is frozen eggs like an agro-crag, just like in the corner.

Before we forget, you had a great point on the call yesterday. This is why Taylor Swift women fucking love. Oh yeah. Because she seemingly doesn't put up with the shitty guy. She'll break up with you, she'll write a song, make all the money, but speak to you guys and your frustrations.

Cause she's more comfortable being lonely, I guess, or the perception is she is. Because she's financially independent. There is an incentive to date the guy who can, yeah maybe he's not the most thoughtful, but he can pay for a meal cause maybe I can get out of this girl boss rat race, like that would be great. And Taylor can leave the guy cause she's not in it.

What's the girl boss rat race? Cause I feel like girls are leaving this shit, like the girl boss thing was hot five years ago, and I feel like that thing is dying. Oh, yeah, it was kind of a lie that was sold to us. Shift in social media. It's like the whole trad wife. Yeah, trad wife.

Like super into raising your children, cooking for the... God forbid. Homestead, got some chickens. Got milk. Everything from scratch. Everything's shifting. Yeah, why do you guys think that is Trump?

Yallah blaming your own shift in mindset on Trump. I'm not I'm not I think it was a it was a lie cuz it was like Oh, like the mic you're you know, we have more of these but it's really fun that they are It's like, we were told that you could like, girl boss, and not have to like, you know, be the mad men wife at home, but all of a sudden now we have to do both. No one's planning your dinner reservations or taking care of you. So this is interesting. Also, girls don't date down. Well, I want to get to that in a second.

But this is interesting about the girl boss idea. So maybe there's a little part of them, they're going, okay, if I go to work, I want to get to that in a second. But this is interesting about the girl boss idea. So maybe there's a little part of them that are going, okay, if I go to work, I make that money. Yeah, then you don't have to be with the loser. Yeah, well, no, you don't have to be with the loser for sure, but then you assume that the guy would also pick up some of the slack? Oh, yeah. Right, and then you found out that we won't.

Right. And now you're like, why am I working? Yeah, like all I'll do all the thoughtful shit. I don't I don't need you. But you're not going to work as well. Yeah, I don't want to work as well. Give me home or give me office. I don't want to do both.

And I think now people are having to do both. Would you decide this like a million years ago? Yeah. But it's a whole circle. Full circle. Yeah. To that point, I'll biologically, we haven't changed. But full circle. Full circle, yeah. To that point. I said biologically we haven't changed. But to that point, would you rather work,

you got a guy maybe makes up maybe less, maybe a lot less money than you, but does all the thoughtful shit, or you do the thoughtful shit and they work? Which would you rather? They do the thoughtful shit and they work. I mean, I just. I'm just trying to find the truth.

I'm trying to find the truth right there, yeah. Yeah. No, that's the truth. That is the truth. That's the real truth. It depends how good their job is, honestly. I think if they're really high up, then great, I'll do the thoughtful shit. But yeah, I think most people probably want to be in love and have someone do the thoughtful stuff. Yeah. Wait a minute, so if the guy has like a really important job, or where it's very time consuming, you'll do all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, I'll do all the home stuff. If you're saying everything's paid for. I'm just gonna let you know right now, you're saying that? I wouldn't want that. Until you guys get comfortable, and then that shit goes out the fuck way. I'll tell you right now, I don't want that.

No, we know. We know that. We know that. Why don't we even call Todd here? Todd, you should be synonymous. Seriously call Dumb it or play Sadness when you'll get better answers. No I think that everybody, you start to get comfortable and... But the money comes with control also, which is a part that I don't like. Yeah, that is bad.

If they have... How do we have control? Oh, what an illusion. If you're paying for everything, paying for the house... We're married! There's no prenup! Yeah, until you start cheating and then there's a divorce and then the woman's stuck with nothing.

Nothing? They have to rely... Well, that's how you sign a prenup. I didn't have a prenup. Not you, specifically. I'm talking about the world. You're saying what I should have done. You should have.

Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, yeah. And then, because, I mean, this was my biggest resentment in Montreal, Girls My Generation. Tanya created all this mess. She needed this. This is therapy. This is therapy. Yeah, talk. It's like our mothers all went through the same thing.

They didn't work. The second they started a family, they didn't work. The husband's made all the money. The husbands are going off on business trips. They're fucking around. They're cheating. Women want to get divorced. And then the women are stuck with nothing. And they still, even after divorced,

have to rely on the husband to provide whatever they choose as alimony, right? And to be fair, I've heard this saying that makes a lot of sense. That's tough. The courts are not in the collections business. So even if they award you half, the husband could just not pay.

There's not really much you could do. Which I think is fair to bring up. There's no like, the court's not gonna come after you. Not really. Is that true? No, they do a little bit. If you have a child, and that's why you wanna have a kid. Okay.

But there's a difference between you and a child. Don't hand, bullshit. That's why you gotta have a kid. Apparently. Don't be so weird. She's Jewish. I knew it. Hold on. So if you trap him, if you baby trap him. You have a kid? Apparently. You have done this to her from the hitch? She's Jewish. You're Jewish.

Hold on. So if you trap him, if you baby trap him, you gotta go. You're beautiful somewhere. You gotta go. This is great. You gotta let women talk. Stop silencing him. Is on the holy wood of color on this side.

Yes. On this side. Okay, go. Well, Tanya's something. Tanya's from Africa. Yeah. She's from Africa. She's from Africa.

She's from Africa. She's from Africa. She's from Africa. She's from Africa. She's from Africa. Is I'm the only one of color on this side? Yes! Now on this side! Okay, go. Well, Tanya's something. Tanya's from Africa. Yeah. She's part African. To be fair, kids who have divorced parents, like my best friend, her mom got alimony and got child support. The courts will go after the dad if they don't pay.

If you have a child and they'll take away your passport so you can't travel. What do you guys think of alimony as a concept? Fantastic. I don't love it. That shit is a criminal enterprise. I don't love it. I don't mind you get half.

Wait, listen to this argument again. Half, half, sure. But alimony? It depends who falls for divorce. Isn't that what alimony essentially is? No. It matters who falls for divorce. Half't that what alimony essentially is? No. Half is what we got now. One at a time, one at a time.

You take half of what we got now in a divorce, especially we got kids, yeah, absolutely. Child support even, if we got kids, okay, alimony. You need to do that. That's your fault. What happened? No, but hold on. Andrew, wait, this is a good question for Andrew.

Yeah. Okay, so you're successful. It's a dangerous question for Andrew. Yeah. Okay, so you're successful. It's a dangerous question for Andrew. You're successful when you met Emma. You made X amount. Yep. Right? And now you're significantly more successful than then. Yep.

And you have a baby and you prefer that she stays at home with the baby because that's how you want your child. That's an assumption. No, that's what I'm saying. Assuming that that's what happens. That's not true. It's not true? No. Because a lot of fathers actually prefer that the mother raises the kid versus... So it was very, I was very specific about this.

Like with, like Emma, you know, she got her MBA, she was, you know, doing AI projects for Apple. Like she, she was killing it. And this was her choice. So I said, you have to want to do this. Okay, fine. Like this is, it's not going to be my decision because if you don't like it, I don't want you to ever resent me for it.

So this has to be your decision. If anytime you want to go back to work, obviously, like I grew up in a family where both parents work. Now, was I supportive of it? A thousand percent. Like the person I trust more than anything in the world is going to be the one looking after my daughter. Like, yeah, that's the ideal scenario of the world,

but I'm not going to like restrict her. Right, but hypothetically, there are families... If there are guys that go, you can't work, I need to get the baby. Sometimes it's, they prefer it for family purposes. Sometimes if you like actually do the math, it almost becomes more expensive to hire nannies and everything than the mother's salary.

At that moment in time. So she quits her job, she stays at home, and then let's say when she does, if she decides to go back to work eventually after you've had three kids, whatever, she's now 10 years behind in her career versus where she would have been. So then that's where the growth of when you got married

versus where you are now comes into play, which is not fair to just get, let's say, half of like when you started. So this is the way I look at these things. I think it's like a great, like more nuanced point. I think that there's a certain number where we don't need to worry about alimony. So let's say, for example, like you have $20 million

between the two of you, you guys get divorced, 10 and 10. You'll figure it the fuck out. Yeah, yeah. You don't need alimony as well. That's 100%. But that's not how the law looks at it. The law looks at it, you split it 50-50 and you have to maintain her lifestyle.

Whatever her lifestyle was with you, you have to maintain it. That's where we- Well, she's a bitch. That's her fault. It's not her fault. It's not her fault. It's not her fault, it's the law's fault, right? And these laws are kind of antiquated

because they're built around a time where women weren't, you know, girl bosses, they weren't making all this money and they wanted to protect women because they literally couldn't get a job to support So I don't have 20 mil when they get divorced exactly So I'm just saying there needs to be like a little bit more nuance with it Usually the way the judge looks at it pretty sure is to maintain the same To maintain the same lifestyle as when you were married So it's like if you were buying your wife a Chanel every year.

You should have stayed married. You shouldn't have bought her a Chanel every year in the first place. No, no, like you should have, if this lifestyle with us being married, like for example, I got to maintain your lifestyle with us being married, but you don't got to come and cook me dinner every night. That's mild. That's the Chris Rodjo, pussy payments. No, I don't want pussy.

I want dinner. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like I want, I want the want pussy. I want dinner. Do you know what I mean? Like I want the clothes washed and folded. Like if I have to pay you to maintain your lifestyle, you should still do the things that maintain my lifestyle. Yeah, you made a choice, or we made a choice

when we got divorced, this lifestyle is fundamentally different because of just one of you. And I think if women understood where some of this like red pill movement is rooted in this, like this idea is crazy. Let's say Andrew's 20 million. And most guys who are complaining about this I think if women understood where some of this like red pill movement is rooted in this, like this idea is crazy. Let's say Andrew's 20 million and most guys who are complaining about this won't make that kind of money, but 20 million, whatever job losses you have valid, they may be is

more than offset by the 10 million you just got. You can't make that work. Yes. Right. Yeah. I think that's essentially the point, but I agree with you that in circumstances where people are both, you know, like one person is a teacher, for example, and the other person is staying home with the kids.

Like, obviously you can't let that person go back to this career that they haven't done 10 years. They have no way of making money, and now the kids are gonna also suffer. So I get that point as well. There just needs to be a little bit more nuance, and I think they just put like, what is it, the fucking Bill of Rights down.

Precedent was set, and now we can't break from precedent. All of this nuance, wouldn't it be easier? Isn't there some motivation for Andrew in that clip or everyone in the comments, men trying to process this effort thing? Wouldn't it be easier to just learn how to send a playlist or make a reservation? You can avoid all of this.

It's so easy. They're begging. I'm going to be honest with you. And I spoke about this, I think, on the pod. There was like, it was like my wife's birthday. No, no, no, it was Christmas or something like that. One day I got her for Christmas with these crocs that had these little gibets in them that pertained to her life and our daughter and everything like that.

And she cared about that way more than anything expensive that I got her. And despite that clip coming out six years ago, it hit me. I was like, oh, maybe I should like look into what she likes or whatever and like get things around that. And now that makes sense. But I think Akash, you pointed this out. It's easier. It's less work. It's like we're being lazy when we buy the expensive gift. Yeah. But you're basically paying for their lack of thoughtfulness. Yeah. And But even this time around, same thing happened. I agree with you, the effort is there. My concern is, and I think when a girl really does love somebody, hopefully my wife really

loves me, it makes that much more of a difference. But I do feel like there are some relationships where girls are in where they're like, they don't really like the guy, they just don't want to be alone. And these thoughtful things that the guys are doing are just like... How do I say? They just like extend the unhappiness a little bit longer. It's like break up with that guy. You don't have an ick. You don't have a red flag. You don't like him. I totally agree. I think that's where you get to the point where she's been resenting this lack of effort thing. She's been begging for the effort. It's not clicking.

And then even if he does do it, it's like, okay, then she gets to a point where every word that comes out of her mouth is nagging. It's going to be just like miserable for both of you. And it's like, oh, yeah, just just break. Everyone get out of that. But that feeling of fear of being alone is like why? One second this is a thing that's interesting We're so used to the nagging we think that's what you guys are

But but but think about that But like you look at every TV show, no, no, you look at every TV show, right? It's like Al Bundy, his nagging wife, it's like the nagging wife in every single one, right? But what you're saying is that this is like a down river problem from picking this guy because you don't wanna be alone. I'm just putting the blame on you, which is unfair.

But you understand what I'm trying to say. In my experience, when a girl really likes a guy, nothing bothers her about that guy at all. We're in 100% agreement. It's not that like women nag or that like, oh, I'm being a bitch. It's just like, oh, you two shouldn't be together. Yeah. They're operating low standards across the board.

Yeah. That like, oh, she nags, duh. And she's like, oh, yeah, well, he doesn't put in any effort, duh. Yeah. And they're both just accepting mediocrity. Take a year to be alone, someone better might pop up, someone might not. It's fine, you're fine.

That shit's still gonna happen though. My wife's still gonna nag, I'm gonna still be thoughtless sometimes. You know what I mean, the ex-pick, there's a- But you love each other and that's fine. Yeah, but you know what is annoying? When you put some thought in and they still nag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That shit makes you- There needs to be a one week shut the fuck up. Yeah. One week shut the fuck up. This does not apply to many people. And here's the problem. And this is what I'm gonna get in trouble for saying. There is a rate of inflation on thoughtfulness. Get a TikTok ready.

Get a TikTok ready. There is a rate of inflation on thoughtfulness. The amount of effort that is thoughtful, you get used to it as anybody would get used to anything. But that amount of effort that is thoughtful, you get used to it as anybody would get used to anything. But that amount of effort increases. So sometimes it's like, all right, well, let me just pay the money because that will now thoughtful went from here to here. I disagree. I don't was because I knew it. Akash, go. Can you tell us your feelings with respect?

We have an HR department. Where's Duff? Where's Duff? I think, like, yeah, you can scale it up. You can do something more thoughtful. You can plan something more thoughtful, but it doesn't always go up. Like, sneak in a sticky note on our desk that says, have a great day. Like, just little things that actually, it ebbs and flows.

Don't just keep it going. Write that idea down. Go on. Yes, yes. It's kiosk writing. You need to learn my handwriting. That's what we need to do. Duh!

Finally! Yes, he's back! No, a fire one is quick. Duh, go sit down. Put sticky notes all over the apartment, and then she'll find two one day, and then she'll find three more the next day, and she thinks you're putting them down there all week,

but really just in one time. And then a week later, she's like, why do you leave so much garbage all over the apartment? Can you clean up a little bit? OK, Dove, Dove, I don't know if you've been listening to this conversation. Have you been listening from the outside? A little bit.

We have a special coming out too, so it's a lot of effort. A lot of effort from Dove. Thanks, Dove. Appreciate that. I had an old three-year-old talking about that. I had an earful on three of them. Doug and I do have like a material relationship. Oh God yes. You do bring this up.

You really want me to notice the effort. You do want me to notice the effort. And I just want to see the result. Oh when mom and dad fight about the effort. Oh God. Okay, okay. But I don't know why. Why did we want Doug in here? Oh no. Because he was insulting people. Because he was insulting people. Yeah... Oh, God. Okay, okay. But I don't know why... Why did we want Devin here? Oh, no.

Akash was insulting people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I said yuck and you didn't budge, I knew we were good. That's great. I knew we had that. We're good. So we're trying to get to the bottom of this stuff. We're trying to figure out love. We're trying to make sure that we enter these great, healthy relationships

where both sides respect one another. Are you a thoughtful person when it comes to the women that you date? Of course. What? It's a goal. Because you're thoughtful person when it comes to the women that you date? Of course. Of course. It's a goal. You're smiling. You can't do that. Always. You know how thoughtful Dove is when it comes to dates?

Oh no. Dove would go on dates with girls because he is truly trying to find love. I give him this a thousand percent, he's truly trying to find love. And I, Dove is fighting two things. He's fighting thoughtfulness, and he's also fighting ethnicity.

And I remember like a week or two into living in New York, he would say, he would go, he'd go, do you know how much taking a girl out on a date is? He goes, I'm spending 300, 350 a pop on dinner. These girls are drinking like fish. Like what is wrong with this city? Do you remember this experience though? That number was high. I told you last week.

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Don't you say it, Tonya. That's gonna be one of them. Okay, so are women aware of that or not? Yes. Women are aware of that. Okay. And I think that's like- What is the conversation amongst yourselves about that?

It's unfortunate that women actually have a lot of experience with that. I mean, I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing.

I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's of that. And I think that's like- What is the conversation amongst yourselves about that? It's unfortunate that women actually, like once they sleep with you, like will then become more attached and the timelines are completely opposite. So break that down. Like once you have sex, the man is like, okay, yeah, like, okay, maybe that was fine.

Maybe I don't like her that much. Meanwhile, once she has sex with you, she has all these hormones where she's saying, oh my god, I love him. Oh my god, I need to be near him. Even though they're illogical, you're like fighting this like avalanche inside your body being like, I need to spend time with that person. Pre-sex is different where the man is more invested and you're kind of like, the timelines are completely opposite. Men use love to get sex, women use sex to get love. No, I think women use sex to get love. Oh, right. The other way, the other way. Yeah. No, I think women use sex to get love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is.

Yeah, you're right, you got it. So men use love to get sex, and this is the, what is that, the Playboy method or something like that, where you're really nice to them in the beginning. Oh, like love bombing. Love bombing or something like that. And I honestly don't think that you can look at that and say like, oh, it's purposeful love bombing,

or like purposefully. No, I think it's quite genuine, actually. I think it's genuine, I think they genuinely believe, oh, my gosh, I'm going to get to know her. I'm going to have sex with her. But then somehow, like, chemically, once it happens, it's like, all right. And now we look like a fuckboy when in reality,

we never really like that person as much as we truly thought we did. Exactly. And then the women look like a psycho. But they're just kind of like, what's happening in my brain? And our ego gets hit like crazy because we're like, yeah, she didn't really like me that much. And so I gave her that. Yeah.

I almost stopped calling her. I think she's good at sex. I didn't understand that guy was a virgin. Yes. When we're not, it's just this, oh, how advantageous for us. A chemical gets released in your head after sex where you love us that much more, no matter how bad the sex is.

Oxytocin. Yeah, Billie Eilish has a song about it. Really? Yeah. Even if it's bad sex? I don't think that's true. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So is there, is there... God stop crying. Don't brother listen to this podcast. All right. Sorry, Gail's brother, we love you. So it is possible that sex can be so bad that you're like, I don't really want to, the oxytocin doesn't get released.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I also think it's like not all women, not all men. Like it's just, that is a thing that can happen. But speaking in generalizations. Yeah, in generalizations. But yeah, sometimes that can happen.

And that's where the Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey, like getting fixated on like, oh, like I love him. This like, I don't know. Depressive job. Let's tie in the effort to the sex. What if the, when you have sex, there's no effort and it's all about him. Define effort. Cause I feel like for us just not coming fast is the most ever we commit.

You can tell if there's a... How much more effort can you put in? I've been meeting my dead grandma for three minutes. Three minutes! Come on, bro. Three minutes! No, effort incest. I don't want no effort incest.

Come on! She just died. I just got over this. Come on, bro. Like, is he like, what's the foreplay like? Is he going down on you? Is he figuring it out? You're thinking about all these things?

Like, after? Yeah, I'm married. If you're on a date with a guy- What's the foreplay like is he going down on you? With a guy you expect a guy to go down you the first night Use your fingers. You didn't see at dinner at the end when I went in and took out your wallet. No, no, no. OK, yeah. So an attention to satisfying you. Yeah. Not just being satisfied. Once you guys come game over. Yo, facts though. Yeah, facts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to come first and that's effort.

Yes. And then I'll get that thing that you just talked about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? What is the thing? The thing in the brain that oxytocin... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That weird thing that we have in these bitches. She's in denial, bro. I don't even fucking... That's how you spend without oxytocin.

The biology is... I'll say that. If the sex is bad, you're immediately... You're written off. Goodbye. 100%. I was assuming that was the case. Let me throw out an outlier, okay? This is a tricky one, but I I have seen Okay, I have friends who hooked up with this girl

He was like dude. I fucking couldn't get it up That girl became obsessed with him My dad could never get it up Remind reminds me a lot of him to be honest. Now, is there a part of that where it's like they dated, like they dated for years. And now I, this is what I chalked it up to. I chalked it up to her going, that made me feel really rejected. And I'm wondering from the field of perspective, is there a part of it where it's like, I've never had a guy not get it up with me.

I feel rejected. I feel ugly. I'm gonna win him over. I'm gonna prove to him that I can get him hard or whatever, so that I like myself. Maybe like a very young person might think that, but that seems pretty like immature. Like there really is no correlation between like how you look or your behavior to that. Right. Would you still write that guy off if you're saying there's no correlation between

whatever? Yes. 100 percent. He got close to the mic like a like a fucking senator. It depends. It depends. Is this like a kind of guy like it's like you've been dating, everything was perfect. You know, you guys are getting along. It's great. You guys are getting along, and then one night you went out drinking till five o'clock in the morning, maybe did some other stuff.

Yeah, whiskey dick is different. I think you have whiskey dick. Context maps. That's forgivable. That's forgivable. So, and what happens in those moments? Do like, does it, like yeah, well, Miles. I'm gonna ask you guys.

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Let's get back to the show. I don't buddy that would say this, and this was pure game, I know 100%, right? He would go, when he was talking to girls, he'd be like, yeah, girls never made me come from head. I just don't know what it is. Oh my God, the amount of times people do that. That is like the oldest trick in the book. That is the oldest trick in the book. Oh my God.

Oh, let me try, let me try, Mariah. Oh, go down there for 45 minutes. This one, bitches, is fucking dumb. Did you call me for that one? Yo. This is awesome. Oh my God. This is awesome. Okay, so guys try that shit, they go like,

oh, I could never. Who knew listening to women could be fun? Yeah, we've been fucking up for 10 years. Okay, so that's not a trick that guys should use. Girls know about that trick already? Yeah. Yes. Okay.

I feel like that's just so. If a girl ever said to us that they're like. They better assume you're gay. Or you assume you're gay, yes. Okay, but if a girl ever said to us, no guy's been able to make me come from going down on me, I'd be like, yeah. He should draw something else.

Like that. Save me some more dry hair, thank God. Oh wow, okay, okay, so that doesn't work. All right, this is good, this is good to know. Is there anything a guy that you really like can do that you're like immediately, no, I'm done? Actual ick. Yeah, like not like not like a oh he rubs his hair oh he like puts his shoulders up in the rain funny they may be yeah I don't think they're sending

food back at a restaurant really well what I actually fucked it up being rude to wait staff oh yeah OK. Tanya, supporting pet. I knew you were. You Jewess. Oh, my God, dude. I also feel like this is New York contingent. Like, I feel like dating in New York, guys in New York, just kind of suck. Like, I hear my friends tell me stories about like dating guys in New York. it just kind of suck. Like I hear my friends telling me stories about like dating guys in New York,

it's just like no guy ever wants to settle down. Your female friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like no guy wants to date. Do you think dating in Milwaukee is gonna be better? I kind of do. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, but this is my feeling

is that like the more like small town, like Christian vibes, more guys are like, yeah, I'll get married. And you have less options out there. Are those towns only Christian? Where are we supposed to go? Okay, so you're saying because the culture reinforces getting married and meeting someone that you want to be with yeah also potentially the culture I remember you saying that I don't know if it still applies But when we first started hanging out you're like girls move to LA to get famous

They moved to New York to live sex in the city lives so to a guy it's like well these girls are just trying to fuck anyway so I'll find somebody else around the corner as in a place where it's like now these girls are trying to settle down you might have to be on more on your piece in piece. It's almost like analysis paralysis here. That's what I'm saying. You give up easily. Talking to some of my guy friends here they feel like dating is tricky because the girls are handling five or six guys and one guy could be better and what are my options? Same vice versa.

But I haven't heard you guys talk about that at all. Do you feel that way? Yeah. So you're like, I don't really know if I like this guy. And now if you have five guys that you don't really know if you like, you're probably looking at these like X or red flags way more than if you had one guy in your hometown that you were really into. Yeah, it has me using things to rule people out that like seem kind of cruel. I said this to a friend.

I was like, oh yeah, well, like he's sober and I so like he's done. And she was like, well, those people deserve love. He's trying to better his life. You turn everything around. That's scary, dude, because one drink and then he's off the way and now you're in it. Like yeah. I don't mean that, there's four other dudes who want my time. Which one is it actually? It's all of the above. Okay. But it's like you're looking for things to rule them out because yeah there's like seven other dudes on that, the silly little apps that want to take you in the next spot. So that is the problem with the apps is there's constantly a new person. And when you think like that, what is it? The grass is always greener. Yeah. And the first time you meet somebody, you look at all the opportunity that presents itself. Right. It's like there's like hope in it.

Like he could be perfect. Look at all these. Also have way too much information. You have their like everything they believe in and their sense of humor and all these pictures and their religion. And like it's like, how much are you googling people when you meet zero? Just an instagram just like look at their instagram just to see if you have visuals So wait, you're looking at linkedin Toddle, Toddle, Toddle. Johnny said Raya and, I don't know, Hinn-Poss.

I'm so tired. I'm gonna look at their LinkedIn. It's so funny, dude. I mean, what's the way you were saying earlier? We're just looking for- I'm 34 years old, I'm not dating a bartender. God damn. Do you think I'm looking for a bartender?

God damn. We don't know if they're even checking their LinkedIn. You know what's so funny? This is, Dove is such a girl because the first thing he says when he meets a new girl, he's like, she's actually an engineer and she works for whatever. And I'm like, nobody asked what her fucking occupation was. Show us the video that doesn't have a filter. So we can get like an accurate assessment.

Yeah, it's all visual. I knew a guy's girl was really hot when I said, see a picture and he just handed me the phone and he didn't hand select a picture. Self-se select a picture. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

That's love. Okay. What do you guys feel about like how you look on Instagram versus reality? Like do you feel when you go to a date, like everybody looks better on Instagram for sure, but now with all these filters and shit, is there ever a moment like where you've only talked to this person online, he's only seen what you guys present online and then in person you're like, is he gonna think that I'm as attractive?

Like is there any of that insecurity that comes out? There wasn't any until one time a guy showed up a hundred pounds heavier. Oh no, I'm talking about on you guys. Oh. Not the guys. Hold on, hold on. So guys are catfishing too?

Wait, I ran for the help. No! He fixed it. He can't do that. I fucking laughed. Okay. I think I do hear from my guy friends of like, oh, she misrepresented herself. And I'm like, okay, that's a nice way to say that she wasn't as hot as the pictures.

Yeah. I think everyone's using four-year-old pictures. But I also think for us looking at a guy's profile, if I'm going to show my friends like they're all like the first thing is like, oh, well, they look better in person. Like men are given more permission to look shitty on Instagram because it's like, oh, like they don't take pics. Like what about this? A lot of guys, some of whom are on this podcast will lie about their height. How does that make you feel?

That does not make me feel good as a five nine lady. Like I don't want you to come and be embarrassed. You know, I don't want to meet you at the restaurant and you'd be like, Oh, I shouldn't have lied. Yeah. Yeah. Do you pay for dinner if you're taller? I walk away if I'm taller. Wait, so the height is a huge thing. Like you cannot. Honestly, I think, right.

Or is just the honesty, but also like, yeah, maybe I could date a guy that's shorter, but it's like if I'm looking for reasons to rule them out, that's a big one because I don't want them to resent me for being taller than them. Like I don't want them to have any male ego about how they look. You think a guy who's shorter would have a male ego about being with a taller girl? I do. You wouldn't see him as like a badge of honor? He'd be like, oh my God, look at this.

No. Well, that's why girls call them short kings. The ones who are not insecure about it. Yeah. Got it. But like, if they're shorter than you and then they misrepresent themselves... Mike. If they're shorter than you

and then they misrepresent themselves, why would you want to continue to date them? That's how we feel if you're not as attractive. But for you, it's height specifically. It's like height and weight. Alright, fair. Girls are just as shallow. Especially in New York.

But I think the apps have really increased the levels of shallow because that's the only thing we can judge on. Whereas back in the day you'd meet someone at a bar you knew kinda how tall they were immediately. You knew what they looked like pretty much. Yeah, you just hoped you were drunk enough. Like, how drunk you?

What if a guy has a picture with, like, three of his boys and he's the least attractive one in the group? Oh my god, bad. Always bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you doing? What an idiot. Wait, why is that bad?

Why? Yeah. OK, OK, so then you're going to the date and you're hoping because, OK, with all these pictures, I'm looking at all these different profiles. I'm not quite grasping which one you are. I'm just hoping it's the guy on the left. I'm hoping you don't know. It's no way you'll go on a date and you don't even know which one of the three guys it is.

Oh yeah. We have. It happens. She's casting a net. Usually there's one picture with a group and the rest are like solo so you can figure out which one it is. Are you asking, are we going to date the ugliest guy in their group or you're not sure who the guy is? Yeah, would that asking, are we gonna date the ugliest guy in their group or you're not sure who the guy is? Yeah, would that be an issue if he was the ugliest guy in the group?

No, not at all. It's not an issue, it's not an issue, but you're doing yourself a disservice posting something on your profile where your boy looks hotter. But that's your boy, what does it matter? We don't care about that. No, you're out here to get ladies. This is the place to get ladies.

You're supposed to what, not have hot friends on the way out of the group? There was a ladies. This is the place to get ladies. You're supposed to, what, not have hot friends and only have ugly friends? There was a girl... Wait, you're the funny one. I'm waiting for the funny ugly one. There was a girl... Let's go. I'm not sure if it's either. There's a lot of women that feel that way, thank God. Talking about the a lot of DMs, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make your profile private. I am so ugly. You have no idea. Girl. There is... Hey, I'm here to have your relationships. Girl. There is... Hey, I've been in happy relationships. So family. There was a girl in my sorority who lost a ton of weight,

and she kept her profile photos of her 20 pounds heavier, so that they would be like, Oh my God, she's so hot when they met her in person. How many people met her in person? Good amount. Really? Hey, fatties deserve love too. Reverse catfish.

No, I think that's a bad idea, because you want to get as many, like you want to get the best you can get. Now that you worked hard for this body, go get what you want. Yeah, but then there's also something to that, like if your mentality is get the best, and you know you're getting DMs,

or you're connecting with all these people on these apps, your brain is always going to be looking for a little bit better thing, instead of looking for the thing that you want. And that's going to make you alone. It's mental illness. What's happening is not a good thing. That's important to say.

Yes. I'm just describing what's happening. Yes. Yeah. This is not a way to like meet your soulmate. Right. So maybe girls should get off the apps. Yeah.

Seems like this is just making life harder for you. Maybe but I still want to drive home the point of like the effort thing is not that hard. But what if it's hard for us? I wish it wasn't. I think that that's kind of like the... I'm like, why is this so... Why don't you feel like an intrinsic motivation to like surprise and delight the person that you're with? It does feel really good. It does feel really good to do. I will be honest, it feels really good. And then when you make them happy,

there is like a feeling of euphoria that comes from it. But I will say it is, it's not like the most natural instinct that we have. The more natural instinct is like, how do I provide? How do I make sure that we're safe? If somebody disrespects them, how do I make sure that like, they don't know that I'm afraid to fight them? You know, like.

Buy a gun. I mean, like there's like. Red state, no. You gotta move to red states. Buy a gun. How do I make sure that like they don't know that I'm afraid to fight them? Yeah, I moved to red states I'm gonna yeah no in all honesty though I agree with that what Andrew's saying like when I'm like when I was like dating I thought about like the Primary values first not like the stupid other shit. You know what I mean? The trick is to be Jewish. That will is a town. It was like respect, generosity, like that need to like care for me and I have a future and not fuck around like all that other stuff was more important than like, I don't know fuck about flowers. I kill them in a day anyway.

Like, I guess that'll be given to me. Like if you're in a relationship with that person. But to me, that is a lot of the effort is like those like primary things first. And then everything else is kind of like icing on the cake. Like if he doesn't send me a playlist or send me flowers, but like on a day to day basis, there's like respect and also like little things, I think like effort, like for example, exactly when it's cold outside, he like walks Frankie.

Cause like I don't want, but that's effort, but that also comes down to like, oh, he's gonna, he takes care of me, which is like the primary value. Filling up your water, that's a big one. Which one? Filling up the girl's water, that's like. Metaphorical water. Yeah, you get it on the couch to go to the kitchen,

fill up both. Fill up the water. Like little stuff like that. Man fill up the water, that's what, yeah, you're getting on the couch to go to the kitchen, fill up both. Fill up the water. Little stuff like that. Men fill up the water, that's what it is. I totally agree with the timing. That's not the same as like making reservations and sending flowers and like surprising me with all these other things.

You know what's kind of interesting? I think walking your dog is like on that level. But we've divided, I think y'all are getting neither as women in general. But that doesn't require planning. So you're like. No, hold on. It doesn't require planning, that's the difference. No, hold on. It doesn't require planning. That's the difference. No, no.

We've devised this system where we did things that showcase effort, and I think we started to call it chivalry, and then it just became expected. And now it's no longer seen as effort because it is the expectation of our gender. And so now we're going outside of our gender expectation, i.e. writing a card, which is not natural to us, right? Fighting some guy in a bar is an extraordinary fucking effort, right, that we have to do that's expected of us.

But we don't, I don't know if we get the same credit for doing it, because if you don't do it, you're a bitch, how could you not support your girl, whatever. I gotta pretend I'm willing to fight, even though we know I'm not it's a lie. We both maintain But not on some serious shit I wonder if we've done a bad job of that like we should never coined it as chivalry We should have never even spoken about it and just done it and then when it happened to you guys you beg Oh, that was so nice and thoughtful of them

But now all the things that are kind of like a little bit more natural the things that we do Opening a door obviously paying for dinner and doing these types of things are the expectation but the problem now we gotta do girly shit so y'all know that we like you you're where jen z is not in our wheelhouse at all down here okay chivalry and jen z is dead they don't know how to open doors you think there's more than new york thing because i grew up in the South. That's the expectation. Whole doors open. But that's the South.

It's like different in New York. I think what Andrew is saying about the like being willing to fight someone in a bar. It's a stupid example, but you understand what I'm saying. It's a fine point, but it's so rare. Yeah, that's true. Like that could happen once every two years. A fight isn't a real thing, but it's more about like somebody being rude to true. Like that could happen once every two years.

A fight isn't a real thing, but it's more about like somebody being rude to you. You want your man to protect you. Yeah, that's just so rare. So the sticky note gets you to the like... Some guy gawking at you on the street and then making him feel uncomfortable for doing that is not actually a fight, but it's this little example of, hey, I'm going to protect you. And you're like, I don't like this guy.

That's awesome. Like keep doing that. I, yeah, that's awesome, keep doing that. But my point is it's expected and you guys maybe, I don't know, but maybe you don't see it as the same effort as like getting you a card, but in our minds we're like hey this is me showing that you're really important to me and there's this weird homeless guy we're walking down the street, I'm gonna move you to this side just in case anything happens. And I wonder if you clock it the same way like oh that was really thoughtful that he did that I think that that's not like a given I don't think all the guys out there are doing that no one has moved me around from a creepy guy I only take guys who are significantly older than me because men in our generation are the worst.

This is interesting. Speak on this. So you said that your generation is known for dating much older men. Sorry, can we ask how old you are? Is that cool? Okay, I'm 22. My last boyfriend was 31. Like an old guy, 31. That's my wife and me. We both started dating. That's funny. But you also said that as well.

And is that a thing that your generation is known for? Do people talk about this or is this kind of like an unsaid statistic? I feel like a lot of my friends do. Like I feel like it's the norm. I don't want to say that it's like, oh, like Gen Z, because it's like the biggest cliche in the book that like dudes in their 30s want to date 22 year olds. Like that is how life kind of works. But I think it's happening for Gen Z because these guys, because no one is, oh, sorry,

because no one's like moving me away from the creepy guy or like doing those things. Maybe a 35 year old might know to do that. Oh, wow. Neither walking on the outside of the sidewalk. Yeah. Like when you're walking down the street, like they'll go on the out, like that is just something that should naturally happen. Like if you date someone who's like 23, just moved to New York is like, Oh my God, like this is the best. You're really playing tour guide and it's like miserable. And their only socialization is fucking video games. Like their brains are like rotted.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But do you think this is a problem of also how your generation kind of brought that on themselves with the whole like equality thing? It's like you want everything to be equal and like, okay, well. Yeah. If this was an audio only podcast, like revealing the video of her and it's just one of us in a wig. Yeah. Yeah.

We don't need to be here for this. Not that it's like you and she are. But it's like, that is a, I think that happened. I need you to. That happened with the whole society being like, oh, men and women are exactly equal, everything is the exact same, and you guys made it seem like it looks,

they're looking down upon you if they treat you a Certain way so then they just naturally start stopping doing so so I think there was real quick But like but but I think there is a little bit of that like I've spoken to younger guys about this and There was a little bit of a concern about Doing some more chivalrous acts and it coming across as like almost condescending. Exactly, it comes up condescending. And so I think there was a hesitation because they're like, oh, I don't want them to think that like they're this helpless little girl that can't do anything. So they pulled back from maybe some of these efforts.

Well, we would call them chivalry, but like some of the effort that men did that actually did make you feel good. And now I don't want wanna say you're craving it, but it is comforting when you're dating the older guys and they do do it, maybe. I have like really, well I grew up here, so I have like really woke friends and like normal people friends. And, no, I'm so serious.

Like I have friends who like if the guy pays on the first date, like she's gonna insist, like she's gonna shove it down there, so I'm gonna split, like no, we should split. I'm never gonna do that because like, I'm half Chinese, it's not my culture. I had a guy one time, he was like, you know, I think when you're in a relationship, you split every single thing down the middle, even like a cup of coffee, and I looked at him and I go, that's not in my culture, unfortunately. We drink tea.

Okay, so is that possible though? Is it your generation, the guys are actually trying to do a thing that they think you want, which is to treat you as equals and to get rid of these like gender restrictions, but some of them actually make you feel good. Now you're dating these older guys, just so you can get that nice comforting feeling of effort and love. I'm going to voice something that I do not think is a good thing, but I think is true is that there you get more permission to do those chivalrous things that maybe might come

off as like creepy or too forward or like infantilizing you. You get more permission to do that the hotter you are. What? That's crazy. I do feel that way. Like if a gross guy hits on you in the grocery store, it's like, get away from me or like, or you know, does a protective action. It's like, oh, I didn't fucking need that.

But if it's like a six, five, you know, could be the one. You're like, yeah, I do need help. It feeds into like the fairy tales and all that. Yeah, yeah, 100 percent. So I think, yeah, I don't know what the advice there is, but I do observe that happening. I think the advice is there are no rules if you're hot. Yeah, yeah. That goes for women too.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Finance. So here's a question about the chivalry thing that it became kind of the expectation. It feels like with men, the expectation back in the day was,

and this is where it was maybe smart on women's part, expectation was you cook, you clean, whatever. And now when a woman does a thing, that's really thoughtful. And we ain't asking for, that's great. Y'all get the chivalry and you're asking for thoughtfulness. Whereas on the other end, if you're doing the things that were expected back then, you are like, that's thoughtful.

So can you understand maybe our psychology of like, well, we're being chivalrous. Isn't that thoughtful? What is this extra shit? That's an interesting point. Like maybe we digested the same way. When a woman would cook clean and do all those things back in the day, the guy was like, well, yeah, I'm working. Like what the hell are you gonna do all day?

You better do it. And you're like, hey no, I'm making this house beautiful for you and I made this meal beautiful and I went to the market and I got all these fresh foods, you get a delicious meal and you're not even caring about it. And now it's almost reversed. Now you're like, how dare you expect that, so we don't. And when you do it, we're like, wow, that's so thoughtful.

But that is still expected, that is still expected. Women are exhausted from working all day and then when men get married to women, their quality of life improves. They remember to brush their teeth. That's true. You know, they are taken care of in a way that is just natural. If you're living in my house, yeah, I'm going to make sure the dishes are done.

And like, you know, it's just like, I love you. It's a done deal. I think women are doing both the domestic and labor outside. And then men are considering chivalry as equal to like cooking a crazy Sunday night meal like that took hours and shopping and an effort. It's like you need to do more if you're putting those as like the extracurriculars outside of working. The housework is way harder than like stepping to a guy at the bar. I think pushback. It does seem like a lot more couples, there's eating out a lot more,

Uber eats a lot more, restaurants, date nights, cleaning ladies even. So for y'all, it is completely natural to say, I'm working, I'm not trying to do all that. I think in healthier couples that I see, it's very much like, well, yeah, so don't, we'll figure that out. You don't have to do that.

That's not expected of you, but it's still us expected of, men generally. The chivalry is expected, now go above and beyond. Whereas if we, if you were working and cooking and cleaning, a guy was complaining to his dude friends, he might just do it. But a lot of dude friends be like, shut the fuck up, dude. Your wife works, she cooks, she cleans. What are you, you're a fucking loser. I think it's a cultural thing. Sounds pretty good.

Like, think about the households where like Sunday dinners are really important. Like, Spanish household, Italians. I think the where you were raised and where you come from plays such a huge role into that. Yeah, it creates the expectations you have for yourself. Because I feel like I love cooking. That's something I enjoy. I don't mind cleaning the kitchen, but you should be carrying the groceries and I could go pick them up, I could do whatever.

I'm gonna leave them at the bottom stairs. You should be carrying them upstairs. Those little things. So maybe the pendulum is swinging around a little bit and we have to just come to this middle ground where you have to state clearly what your expectations are of us. What is the baseline?

Well, that's impossible. Then that's your fault. Yeah, yeah, it is. Because I think we know what our expectations are of you guys. We know what is the baseline and we know what makes us feel good

when you go a little bit above the baseline. And can you just tell me what the expectations are just so I know? I don't think so. Because I don't quite know. It's opposite. Way the same. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no, but, you know, I think it's like, I think it's like hygiene, obviously, in the initial. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I thought you were talking about hygiene. That's shaming shit. That's shaming shit. Don't come with your feet. That's shaming shit. Come on. Yes, I think there are those baseline, like, okay, just be hot expectations, right, which sounds like

I guess it even sounds annoying describing it to you guys, but if I don't say it then I'm not being honest, right? So I think that there is that that like, a care to look beautiful, I think that that matters, right? And then just maintain it. It's not like saying you can't fucking like schlep around the sweats or whatever, that's fun too.

But like, it is nice to know that that's something you guys value. 100%, I think like a curiosity and care about us, maybe it's just because we're comedians, but that's important to me. Like me and my wife having conversations, her wanting to know what's going on in my life, like me taking interest in what's going on in hers,

like those really caring and like supporting. The cooking and the cleaning stuff is extra. It's like an added bonus. But do you care about me? Do you care about what's going on in my life? And do you want to support me in achieving my dreams? That's like selfishly what I would say. And once you have a kid, everything's out the window

and it's different stuff, but before that, it's this feeling of like, okay, you're gonna be my partner, do you really ride for me? Oh shit, you're really supportive, you see all these things going on, you know I'm having a hard time with this, and you're trying to make it as easy as possible, that's huge.

That's exactly the clip, that's exactly what she wants too. And the sticky note is just like, or a playlist, like it's just a little action that shows, hey, I got you. Hey, I'm thinking about it. It seems like not having those creates resentment where if my where I don't know if a woman didn't cook her clean, if we would resent her for it. I don't know if it would like it would be this like uproar on a pod.

If that clip came out, we were describing that scenario. But if you didn't have clean socks and underwear, how would you feel? But this is the thing where I'm just like, I can outsource that to somebody who could make your life easier. You know what I mean? So I'm just telling you where our baselines are,

and I feel like our baselines are a little off, and it seems like you guys need a little bit more thoughtfulness than we think you need for you to not resent us, because we don't want to be resented. That's huge, because in our minds, a little bit more thoughtfulness than we think you need for you to not resent us, because we don't want to be resented. That's huge, because in our minds, a lot of us, we feel like we're going above and beyond.

So when you get resentment and you think you're going above and beyond, it creates a real friction. You're resenting. Yeah, why are you resenting? Like I do all that, like we think we're doing all this where your baseline is actually higher than what we expect of ourselves.

I think that's exactly it. But our baseline for you is lower than what you think. So you're doing things you don't know. No, no, it's hard to keep your weight the same and stay shaved like. No, no, no, listen, listen, listen, listen. Oh, that's just as hard. No, listen, because your baseline isn't based on us.

Like you said earlier, it's based on your mom. So you're putting your mom's shit on me. I'm not your mom. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't care what your mom said. So I think we need to find that, like, I think we need to work on finding what that baseline is and work on, okay, wow, you went above and beyond and this was really extra. You might fold all the socks and shit.

I don't care if they're folded or not. I don't care if they're mixed. I don't care if they're inside out or not. But you might be looking at me like, none of your underwear is inside out. I did all of this for you. Yeah. I never looked at my underwear, right side, left side. I don't, yeah.

I think the solution for this, nobody wants the resentment. And I think women are confused when they open their mouth and everything is snagging. I think it's a bad point to get to. I think women should be more comfortable being single and like, like not take out that, that mom or societal pressure on their partner. You guys need to write it down. We need, we need the expectations. Yes.

But it's also fair. Mike. When we move in together, we're expecting... We're doing all the cleaning because we want it to be clean. Not for them. They don't give a fuck if it's clean. And then you get upset at us. Zach did have garbage in his bathroom until I moved in.

He would use his washing machine as the hamper. Yeah, like his socks would go from the thing Yeah into the drawer with not like you're doing it for us Fuck so yeah That's good, right? Yeah. At least he wasn't around. Mark didn't have a toothbrush for three days. Two days, okay?

We were shooting a thing. I got one for sure. Son, that's crazy. That's a two days. That's fucking disgusting. But I think this was a good place to get to. What are your expectations, the baseline expectations of us, right?

So that we can understand? We might look at them and be like, you know, I can't do that consistently. It's just really not important to me and I'll do it a little bit so you feel good. But know that it is not important to me and the only reason I'm doing it so you feel good. That's different than you expect me to do it every single time because there's going to be resentment because of that gap. Yeah, the expectation of mind reading is hard. Yeah, but even mind reading, I feel like,

is part of all this. To get to the point where she's upset that you didn't read her mind, she was upset about 10 things before that. Oh, interesting. You know what I mean? Interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just learned something.

So you're right. Yeah, yeah, she had no motherfucking idea. Yeah, you're so right. I had no motherfucking idea. You needed a man to explain it. Yeah, exactly. Finally, I'm listening.ucking idea. You needed a man to explain it. Finally I'm listening. We need to know what you guys baseline expect from us.

And right now it's more than we thought that you do. And you need to know that what we baseline expect from you is less than what your mom says you should. Bare minimum. It's so easy. Honestly men are so easy. Bare minimum. Can you fucking talk in a guy's voice? Honestly, men are easy. It's like, they want the most basic, primal things in life. And it hasn't changed in thousands of years.

They want you to look good, they want good sex, and they want to be fed, and they want fucking attention. Yes, we do love that. They want constant love and affection and attention. The way to listen. That's really it. Those little things on top are all extra that we think we have to Do for them, but they don't really give a fuck about those little things None of that means anything to them And peace at home

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Now let's get back to the show. There's a lot of comedic drama happening in India right now. This started popping up on my socials because anytime somebody gets like canceled for a joke abroad, especially I get tagged in like posts that have like lettering I don't understand. And like it's always something in the translate is like, oh, if you think this is bad. Right?

Did you get those as well? It's like, you think this is bad? Watch some show stuff. You gotta come, you gotta save your boy or something. And they added Ranveer Alabadi, who I mentioned on this podcast. He's like a big podcast. That's Beer Biceps.

Beer Biceps. He's India's Rogan. Oh wow. And so he's a big dealer. He said like, I only started podcasting because of a big podcast. That's Beer Biceps. Beer Biceps, he's India's Rogan. Oh, wow. He's a big dealer. He said, like, I only started podcasting because of Joe Rogan. He's a sweet kid. Respect. Help me get to him.

And you did the pod with him, and that shit blew up. I've done his pod in two episodes. But then there's this other Indian comedian, Samae Rana. Very funny kid. He won India's version of Last Comic Standing, but it matters over there. Joke writer, purist, loves to craft. He started the show similar to Kill Tony,

but he gives Kill Tony credit. It's a crossover of Kill Tony and India's Got Talent a little bit. It's called India's Got Latent. Latent doesn't matter, it's just like a play on the word talent. But the idea is not just comedy. You as a contestant come up, you do a talent.

Before you do the talent, you rate, you give yourself what score you think you'll get on a one to 10. So if you are self-aware and you're like, I'm a four, and we didn't like your act and we give you a four, even if we thought you were a piece of shit and that's why we gave you a four, you could still win because your score,

it's not about who's the best, it's about who's got the most self-awareness. It's a really clever concept. I just wanna point out one thing. That's dope. Tony, before you get upset that somebody has taken your show, I just wanna point something out. This is very serious right here.

India has taken Superman, Batman, every Marvel movie, every huge billion dollar blockbuster movie they've made into Bollywood. And now they're doing doing with Kill Tony. And he's a fan and he gives Tony credit. But that's the ultimate sign of respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where an Indian cultural institution has taken your concept and ran with it. My understanding is he's truly like, I can't, these people can't make it to India to do Kill Tony. Let's bring Kill Tony over here. And the show, it goes bonkers. I'm talking like, it's India, but like- It makes like $3,000 a year. Yeah, yeah, no, not dollars. So you deserve royalties on that. Not dollars, but views 20 million in that.

It's like fucking insanely big. It becomes a part of the zeitgeist. Like the cultural conversation. Yeah, yeah, Summe becomes this massive star. He was already a good comic respected, but now he's out of here. One episode they're doing, and just like Hilton, he's now he's out of here. One episode they're doing, and just like Hiltoni, he's got his guests who are celebrities,

one episode they're doing, Ranveer Alibabdi, who's a sweet kid, asks the contestant a hypothetical. Hey, would you rather watch your parents have sex forever or join in to make it stop? Seems like a fun hypothetical. All of a sudden, there's this massive uproar. They're threatened with going to jail, legal issues. It's like getting, FIR, I forget what that stands for,

but essentially like we're preparing a legal case against you. Ranveer's parents, like people are- So it's not even some Samae? Both are getting threatened, but Ranveer- But he didn't even say the joke. No. Ranveer said the joke. And people who were at the taping said,

Ranveer, after he said it, checked in on the guy. He's like, hey, that didn't hurt your feelings. Burane Laga, which is like, you didn't mind that too much. I wasn't too bad for you, right? Checks in again after the episode, hey, you're okay with that. The guy's like, yeah, it's all good. They keep in the episode.

Suddenly it just becomes this massive case of how dare you put something that obscene in entertainment. India has the most violent fucking movie. There's a movie called Animal that came out in 2023. Great movie. It's maybe the most violent movie I've ever seen in my life. But they're killing Muslims.

No, no, no. Other Indians, which is a problem. Joking about Muslims is probably okay. But there's also, dude, Indian comics have gone to jail for making jokes about like, that are adjacent. A Muslim comic going to jail for making jokes is like adjacent to Hinduism, and not even really. So they're going through their comedy struggle,

which happens in every country. Like this happened in America too. I understand things are gonna be inflated there at a different level and there's probably gonna be more severe actions taken, but like it's not to say that this isn't a common occurrence historically. Like there have been American comedians

that got arrested for, you know, what is it, the seven deadly words or whatever it is. Yeah, seven words you can't say on television. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not potentially way worse there, but what I am saying is it is common that as comedy pops up in a country and you start to say things that the society or culture does not digest with great frequency,

and a lot of those people not really understanding the intention is to make people laugh, there is this knee-jerk rebellion, this knee-jerk reaction that is oftentimes negative and punitive. There's a lot of people who have no idea what stand-up is and they're getting offended by this, but what two things are different. I'm sorry, they don't have free speech as like a court. That is the second difference.

First difference is back then they're not going to dox you. There's no internet. You can find out who Lenny Bruce's mom is. Ranveer is like people are his mom is a doctor. People are pretending to be patients coming in and then like threatening and whatever. Second difference is there is not a constitutional right to free speech. India's constitution, I'm going to fuck this up a little bit, but it's essentially like you have the right to make your speech and they have the right to get offended. And then we can kick it up to the legal battle and see what's gonna happen.

It seems like legally they're gonna side against the comics and say the reaction toward them is not okay. You can't take violent action on your own, but these people should be censored. So that is where it's, I'm not gonna speak ill of the Indian government because I'm terrified of them. Whatever they, God bless, yeah, absolutely. Whatever fear you have about Candice Owens, 100X.

So, yeah, guys, hey, no ill will here. That's not an up on you, Candice. Listen, we have a lot of fear, and we wanna make sure that you keep on doing the great work that you're doing about the Baldoni case and also about Macron. Anyway, back to this. Well, what I will say is free noise speech

is not a real thing in India. They don't, it doesn't exist like that. So if you are a comedian, that's a real fucking issue. I don't know any solution other than get the fuck out. Because this, they're gonna pass a law, and I don't know if this is anything, I'm not speculating at all, but you know, keep my family safe.

But they're gonna eventually pass a law that is, you don't have, you don't get to say what you want. As a comic, we get to dictate what you. What was the answer to the hypothetical? I don't remember, but I think we all have I think the same you get back in there, right? You go home you go home you end it and then you're gonna watch them forever. I think you get desensitized I didn't think about that. Yeah, it's like, damn. Gotta move again, come on, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying, yeah. I don't know. Watch it forever, does that mean, like, every night that you go home, they're doing it, or do you have to sit in the room forever? Because I couldn't sit in the room forever.

To sit in the room forever is not fair. You gotta watch it once a day for the rest of your life. Nah, we could do that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think I'd go it out. Absolutely. To me, that's the worst part of the empathetic, because we all have the same answer.

Yeah. Plus, my dad got a bigger dick than me and shit. Like, come on, I can't get involved. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you'd rather watch your dad or your bigger dick than fucking your mom. You worried about not pleasing your mom? Oh, no.

No. Bro, disappoint your parents again. I know, bro. Shit. Oh, that sucks. No wonder why he laughs. That's what's funny to me. We hear this on fucking public radio in America,

and there it's unbelievable. How could you? So they're taking it seriously. They're taking the hypothetical 100% seriously. They're not seeing that both situations are awful and vulgar and obscene. And the reaction they have is right. Like yes, it's awful, vulgar and obscene. That's why I'm asking it because we have to choose between these two things that are horrendous

and you wouldn't want to do either one of them. It seems like the Indian free speech law in the constitution imposes restrictions on certain things like defamation, security of state, but also decency and morality. So now you have like morality police basically saying, hey, this violates the Indian law of... So yeah, to be honest, any law the government passes is not unconstitutional, whereas here it'd be unconstitutional. It is a direct violation of the Constitution that is freedom of speech. It's pretty absolute. There to not absolute. So if the government passes a law, it's on y'all for voting for it.

Like the government didn't do anything. And this is the perfect thing for them to step in on because there are very few people that are not comedy fans that would be supporting questions like, would you fuck your mom so that your dad would stop fucking her every day in front of you? Yeah. Like they'd be like, we don't need this. They don't realize the trickle down effect of that. Yeah.

Right? So it's a very easy thing to get on board with if you're not a comedy fan. It's designed kind of brilliantly by the government if you think about it. Yeah. Because I'm sure there's been plenty of other jokes that have caused an uproar. Yeah. I mean, you've told me this before, There have been comedians that got in trouble. Even Veer when he came on here, didn't he get in trouble with something?

He wrote a thing called Two Indians. It's like more serious, but he got in trouble for that. He got the FIRs thrown at him to threaten him with legal action. Like, and when people ask Indians ask, why don't you do a tour here? I hate that because I feel like I'm letting them down, but like it ain't worth it. The risk reward is just not in my favor. So no, I'll do a pop up show. Maybe like pop into a spot even. The risk reward is just not in my favor. So no, I'll do a pop-up show, maybe,

like pop into a spot even, but I'm not, I don't want people there policing and looking for whatever, you know what I mean? But the concern is not your life. The concern is your family's life. My family's life. Right, because you could do a show and then it's gonna be like an international dust-up,

but they're not gonna arrest an American comedian that's going over there, it's gonna make them look bad. Now Trump gets involved, you know, you know him, that's the homie he's been on the pod. So Trump's not going to let an American doing something that is core to our values, right? Go over there, get arrested and get locked up.

Yeah. But he can't protect your cousins, your uncles, and all these other people. Exactly. Ooh, man. They kicked Vivek out of there pretty quick. I don't know how much they come into his defense. That's a good ass point, bro.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I'm right on him. Is he American? If it's America versus India, we'll win. I'm American to Indians. And I'm American to them. Yo, clip it. And I'm American to them if India's got a problem with me.

Then I'm American to Americans. Yeah. Yeah. It's been interesting to see the international reaction to Trump, though. Trump has all these international fans. And I wonder if some of the things that they believe that he's fighting against here, they hope that their government officials

would fight against. Corruption is not a thing unique to America in any way. Institutional distrust is not unique to America in any way. Institutional distrust is not unique to America. So when you brand around this idea of like, hey, we're taking down these corrupt institutions. We're taking down these corrupt politicians. We're draining the swamp. Like shit, every country out there is like, yeah, why don't you drain this swamp? That's the reason I'm broke because that swamp is so fucking big. So speaking of Trump and India, did you see him talk to us? This shit was so good, bro. This is one of the all time. This shit is so fucking there. So pro speaking of Trump and India. Did you see him talk?

This is one of the all-time this shit is he's just a clip machine and never Continue here in the US as well. You're gonna have to go louder Mr. President people in there would be welcoming your decision to extradite the hubble run out to It's not so me so I had so so is an interesting, I want to get back to the side. It's an interesting thing that I've noticed with Trump is like, people always say this, especially liberals often say this. They're like, why the fuck do working class people relate to this guy? He's a billionaire.

And I think an interesting thing with Trump is that billionaires don't really relate to him. He talks working class. Ah, yeah, yeah. Right, like that's a working class thing to say. Like a billionaire, polished person would be like, would you mind repeating yourself? Because he understands the repercussions

of saying some shit like that. But a dude that works at the plant, and some Indian guy's asking him a question, it's like, yo, can someone translate the English to English? I have no fucking clue what's going on. And that relatability allows him to connect to those people, which financially, he's not connected with at all.

Yeah. I was talking to the reporter that we had on, was it last week or two weeks ago? Yeah. That he was here, just about that. And it was like, we had that conversation about like, why can, like, what is the fundamental issue? Like, what is the issue with the Democrats?

And we were talking about it in the hallway, and it was like, Republicans, and not all of them, at all, but like, Trump feels like he can hang. He feels like you could talk to him, and you're not like, worried about what you say. Yeah. With Democrats, if it was a private room, He feels like you could talk to him and you're not like worried about what you say. With Democrats, if it was a private room and nobody's around, then we had fucking Tim Walton here, we got fucking Buttigieg or some like one of these guys like, yeah, we could hang,

we could say whatever and it doesn't really matter. But the second the cameras go on, they're like, if I mentioned the pronouns thing is a little bit absurd, am I going to get blowback? And they don't know where the line is. I think Mark, you said something like that. They just don't know where it is. And when you don't know where the line is, you speak in this like unrelatable way. Yeah. Right. And that is something that Democrats are going to have to figure out. You have to figure out how to just speak freely and relate to normal people. And you can't do that when you don't even know where your line is.

I figure it's just have too many donors that have special interests. And it's like, ooh, if I see this one thing, I'm gonna piss off this donor. If I see this one thing, it's up. And I think you catch Republicans with that, especially with like the gun stuff. But there's a little bit more like,

and it's gonna get obviously too far and be annoying on the Republican side as well. But there's a little bit more freedom to be like, ah, shut up with that kind of nonsense. Ah, you're being ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Where is like-

Trump made it that way. Democrats are like, yeah, all right, I'm going to piss off the identity politics people. I'm going to piss off these people. I'm going to piss off those people. You're constantly concerned about the piss off. And he doesn't seem that concerned about pissing people off, which is refreshing. He's also an easier spot. Right-wing people in general are able to just be like, hey, let's just go back.

We're conservative, let's not change shit. Whereas liberal people have to be like, all right, what are we changing? What are we pushing forward as policy? They are progressive, yeah. They're literally trying to find new lines so they don't really have a sort of a cognitive view of what the lines are.

Yeah, yeah, like when your party is wrapped around progress, you have to continue to progress. And sometimes you maybe progress too far. Like NATO's job is to expand. Do you know what I mean? If you work in a NATO, they're like, all right, where else can we get NATO? And then maybe you go too far.

And then maybe there's a war that none of us wanna be a part of. If the ACLU is like, ah, shit's pretty good, they're done. It's a wrap, we don't need you anymore. But you do need progressives. Because you need to get to a point where they're not fucking lightin' gay people on fire. So it's that unfortunate pendulum swing,

and they need to find a way to be progressive without alienating the majority. Because I feel like in their efforts to embrace minorities and embrace the people who don't really have a voice, they've kind of alienated the working class, which is the majority of people in the country. So they need to figure that shit out. That shit ain't easy. It's not as easy as going get the pronouns out of here. Yeah, like that's a tough... It's the class issue that they're like tiptoeing around. What do you mean? Like they don't want to acknowledge the class issue and like try to go with like billionaires the way Bernie did.

Oh, because they're in bed with like billionaires the way Bernie did. Oh, because they're in bed with the billionaires. Yeah. Oh, wait, the Democrats or the Republicans are? Democrats, I mean, kind of everyone. I think both. But like Democrats, like in America, are like kind of right in comparison

to the rest of the world. So like they're tiptoeing around the class issue and going at like all the, you know, like pop culture shit. Yeah, Republicans being in bed with billionaires doesn't surprise us. It's in line with Lord Daxter. They're the party for the rich. But that is a great point.

If they made their cause about the wealth gap and then let all the other stuff kind of go to the side, I'm not saying we just fucking ignore what gay people or whatever. I'm not saying ignore, but if they made the core identity of it, Bernie, which was, hey, you got these institutions that are taking advantage of you, and you got these rich people that are taking advantage of you. I think that the average working class person could kind of look the other way about some pronoun shit. Yeah.

You know? But because, like you said, they're afraid to address it, they gotta lock into these other things that, unfortunately, for those people, the rest of America really doesn't care about, at the same level that they care about, the wealth inequality. Yeah. Ooh.

And frankly, it's a big issue that affects more people. It is. Yeah. And Republicans are the party of the rich and a lot of them think, oh, I'm going to be rich too one day. That's Americans. Every American think they're going to be a millionaire. Yeah. Okay.

So then what happens in India? What happens with these guys? Like. So they've already taken down all the episodes. Like that show is off the air. It's not. I tried to look up how many views there were they took it down or the I think I think They were like the government was like take down all the episodes and they were like few we will comply

I don't know for a fact But that's it seems like what it is based on reading like some they put sorry they both apologized I wasn't trying to offend anybody. I wasn't whatever which was like again in America. You don't have to do that I think in India you have to fucking do that. So I don't whatever, which was like, again, in America, you don't have to do that. I think in India, you have to fucking do that. So I don't know. I just tweeted it before I even knew what was happening. I was like, I don't give a fuck what Ranveer said. I know him, I like him as family, I'm riding with him.

Then I said something else and somebody was like, somebody should be fined every time they cuss. This is like my dick, you dumb ass motherfucker, which I thought was a joke. These tweets made it to the Times of India because here you can just stand up for those guys. There you cannot, nobody's saying anything. Oh, your tweets made it.

My tweets, their whole article. Holy shit. Indian comedian who interviewed Trump. Yo, you need to chill the fuck out. But yeah, but again, I can stand, I'm not gonna criticize the government, I just know I can stand on what comedy is and what free speech is.

That I'm comfortable, I'm confident in that. The government, theoretically, if they do pass this law, they're not doing anything unconstitutional. So as much as I'm afraid of them, I wouldn't even say what you're doing is XYZ, because that is the constitution. They are within their, I can't call it some gross misuse of power. The constitution was written copy. It's also fascinating how native freedom of speech is and like expression is in America. That like even seeing the response from like, like Twitter users being like, oh, this is

disgusting. Like this dude, this guy is a creep. He's issuing this apology. It was deliberate act in full consciousness. Like, yeah. Keep in mind marital rape is legal in India. You can't rape your wife in India. Impossible for that to be illegal. Wow. Yeah.

Hypothetical about fucking somebody. Wow. That's illegal. What is this word? Sanskar. Do you have any? Sanskar is I think traditions. So decency, culture and traditions are not his forte. Yeah.

So basically people saying you're violating what it means to be Indian, which is like decency and respect. Wow. Yeah. But then you got to wonder like is the way America does shit like freedom of expression in America, is that applicable to all people? Is that inalienable and human or is that just a cultural thing? That's a cultural thing.

You know what I mean? Like, so at a certain point, as Americans, do you look at this and go, well, if that's what works for them, or should we stand up for freedom of speech? That is the issue. It's the age-old question, man. I think we are often,

I was like, freedom of speech is under attack in India. It doesn't exist. It's such a crazy notion that we are in a country, like cancel culture is like, people fucking use it to make money I think here a lot, and it's a little annoying. There it is truly, your life is in jeopardy. We'll throw you in jail, we'll take everything from everyone you love, don't fuck around.

Is this one of those things where we're projecting our values in the same way that we're like, yo, you gotta let women drive in the Middle East or whatever, just because we let them drive here. So now we're projecting our values on them and we believe that free speech is a good, righteous, kind thing that human beings should have. And over there they're like, we have way less accidents, bro, what the fuck is that? And we're good. But it is the same, what is it, intellectual imperialism,

if you will. We're not over there boots on the ground, but we're basically shaming you if you don't get American with your shit. At the same time, as a comedian, I'm like, I want comedians to be able to say way crazier jokes than that. I'm gonna support every Indian comic saying whatever.

That's just a fundamental thing for me as an American who is a comic. And the government over there is like, that's cute. Yeah. That's not the way, that's cute. Yeah. So we're gonna kill all of them. That's not the way our constitution is written. So what do you want to do? Yeah, comedy isn't even part of their identities and nation.

Comedy is an American art form. I can't imagine America, I can't imagine American cultural institutions without comedy. And a restriction on that, we reject almost instinctually. Yeah, it's like, it wasn't viscerally. It makes me sick. And a restriction on that, we reject almost instinctually. It's like, it wasn't viscerally, it makes me sick. But this is some new shit over there. It's like- Comedy's literally, I've done comedy longer

than the country of India. It started, I think, December 2009. They know exactly when it started, it's brand new to them. I started 2007. I wonder if it's like, if they were like, break dancing is vulgar. And we'd be like, what are you talking? It's not it's just dance and they're like now we outlawing that shit. Yeah, you know, like that's how new it is Yeah to them, you know, so they're like we can do without breakdancing

We've been here for five thousand years and there was no fucking breakdancing We'll be fine without it and we're also like taking off guard by this because we're like there's no way that could happen here Yeah, there you almost have to wonder like did they know right? Like I don't think that's what happened in this case But like let's say there's no way that could happen here. But there, you almost have to wonder like, did they know, right? Like, I don't think that's what happened in this case, but like, let's say there's a comedian that's warned two times, like, hey, the jokes you're saying, you're gonna get put in jail. And then he says it a third time.

Is all of a sudden, is our empathy for their, you know, restriction of freedom of speech the same? Because it's like, yo, you understood what the consequences were. This is why, sorry, the other thing people are like, making an example of him. Maybe they are, I don't know, to me it's weird because if they were doing that, he's been fairly,

the criticism I hear a lot about Ranveer is he's very like the government's whatever. Like he does, he's pro-government, pro-whatever. Like he's up their ass when people criticize him. So for them to make him the example, I'm like, well, that doesn't even add up to me. Well, is there any? Could be possible, but it doesn't add up to me.

You said he's the Rogan of India, right? Is there any version where they're looking at America? And all right, let me bring it back. You know how China locked up their tech CEOs? And I imagine they looked at America and maybe other countries, and they saw the power that these tech CEOs had, and their ability

to influence culture, laws, and they went, you know what, I don't know if we wanna, I think we need to send a message to these tech CEOs in China that they still work for us, and that we make the real decisions. So you lock them in a basement for a month, and then you let them out, and then they can continue doing their stuff,

but now they know. If you're saying that he's the rogue of India, I wonder if this is just a message like, yo, you're not bigger than the system, and we're gonna let you know right now you're not bigger. Even though you've been good, even though, as you're saying, the criticism has been up their ass, it's just another reminder.

Whereas with Rogan, you can't do that here. They've tried, CNN have tried to shame him, all these different publications tried to shame Rogan, but at the end of the day, the American people are gonna ride with the guy that they feel is giving them the truth. And not the rhetoric. To your point, they could be, and with the theory,

conspiracy theorists are saying, whether they're right or wrong, I'm not gonna say, but conspiracy theorists are saying, well, the law they're trying to pass is about online content and being able to censor that. Which would be, to your point, all online content, we can't control. If I'm another country. We can't control it.

We need to figure that out. Let's pass a law. I mean, look, if you... Sorry, theoretically, let's use the guy that's been sympathetic to us so they know it doesn't seem like a hit piece or doesn't seem like we're making an example of him and sacrificing him even though we might be. Nobody's going to say that because they're going to say, oh, this guy's pro-government. So they're just really

believing this bill. But he's sympathetic now. You know what I mean? Like you gotta have some control. True. You never know. And also he might be sympathetic to the government but he might be also sympathetic to the Ambani's or another very powerful family. And maybe that's the government going like, hey we don't think, yeah yeah we're daddy and you got to abide by this because putting too much power in one person, as you've noticed with, in America, like Joe has the influence, you know,

he can sway elections, he can sway culture, even before the election, he can move culture in a way that will affect the election. The election's downstream. So, wow, yeah. I wonder what happens in those rooms. How crazy is it that comedy is at this level where the government needs to potentially step in and apply punitive measures to scare people into relinquishing their power and influence?

That's a crazy, what a time to be on comedy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. It's a crazy, what a time to be able to comedy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, fuck, yeah. It's a scary thing, man. But every institution has a version of that because it's like, there's words we don't say on here because we know the platform we put it on. Even though we want to save the joke, we won't do it

because we know we can potentially get kicked out. Yeah, I just- Well, we bleep it. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a really good point. That's not legal. It's not like, it's not the government coming down here. That's true, but Google, you know, government has their hand. It's like, you know, what's allowed? And we don't like these words being said.

I can see that happening. We can't go to jail for it. I just think the leash is a lot shorter over there. And I just, I have to ride for comedy and the ability to do comedy. Otherwise it's gonna be telling every comic in India, well, you just need to leave and get a fucking Sikh asylum, get a visa, go to what you love somewhere else.

Because there ain't anything like that. So where is Sameh? Why don't we get him on the pod? I would love to try to. He's actually, I was trying to get him, he's doing shows in Canada right now. I talked to him, he's holding up okay, but he's like a single entry visa,

so we gotta be able to figure out how to get him back here, but I would love to have him on. I don't know what he's gonna be willing to say, but I would love to talk to him. I would love to, because I'm safe in America, I would love to bring light to this issue. I can understand why bigger comics in India are staying silent, but me in America, without trying to make too many enemies, I would like to have some conversation. And maybe he's just asking a bunch of hypotheticals and, you know,

having fun and he can't answer them and that's kind of funny. That's the tricky thing when it starts to affect your family. Yeah. Like most of us are willing to take it on. Yeah. You take on the criticism, and in America it's different. It's online criticism, people making comments or saying stupid shit. Yeah.

It's like they're saying death threats, but it's like, okay, whatever. But when they pull up to your mom's job. Yeah. You're not worried about that? Like, your tweets are getting picked up in the Times over there. You have family back there. You know how many sings there are? It's true. I mean. in the Times over there. You have family back there. You know how many Singhs there are? That's true.

They can tell them apart. No, they can't. They all think I'm Punjabi. Let them. I do. But yeah, I guess to me, it's like, it's not anti-government. What I'm saying is just pro being able to make jokes. And I guess to me, I hope that people can make that distinction of like, I'm gonna defend comedy, I'm a comic, unequivocally this is what I will do. I don't know that they will, but like, I'm not going at the government. I would never do something that fucking crazy. I mean, I fear them. So there you go. That's on record, everybody. Government, I'm afraid of you. I want no smoke.

It was, it was, like I remember when we were in Russia. And there was like part of me that was like really enticed by like doing I don't have family in Russia So it's fine And I'm like what's the international incident that's gonna come from that like it's not gonna be a fucking I'm no bargaining chip or whatever But at least it's in your brain. Yeah, and it feels a little bit more Exciting because the stakes are higher. Yeah, you know any joke feels more exciting Even when we're in the Middle East, like doing those jokes felt a little bit more exciting.

Yeah. Because of the cost. But at the end of the day, I get to go, yeah, all my family's out, I don't have any family in Russia, I have no family in the Middle East, like I'm not concerned about anything happening to them. And the worst thing that happens is like I get arrested and then it's this international news story and then I get to come back home like That's the worst thing that's gonna happen. Yeah, you know Yeah

Yeah, the family thing is crazy. I mean, this is like what North Korea has on all their people, you know It's like no you can try to run but like we know where your dad was, you know where your cousin is like Yeah So you can be a martyr, but you want your whole family? They didn't sign up for this I actually at Indian Comics said that to me. His wife was getting sued. He was getting sued. I won't say he was just because it's not worth it, probably. But he was like, they didn't sign up for this.

That's the thing that fucks me up. And that's he's like, I'm probably going to leave because I understood what I was signing up for. They didn't. Yeah. This person just fell in love with me. That's their crime. Mm hmm. I can't do that to them. Yeah, that sucks.

Somebody would love to have you on, dude. We'll try to figure it out. As long as you're alive, because they kill Indians in Canada. Yeah. The government will send you over. They'll send like a hitman out after them. Yeah, it's true. Imagine he got killed because of your tweets.

I made him immortal., it's true. Imagine he got killed because of your tweets. I made him immortal. I made him immortal. Actually, no, he'll come back. That's the other thing. Why are you stressing so much about your mom getting killed? That's true. Do you believe it or not? I lose her this lifetime. I'm not worried about her soul. I'm selfishly like, I'm a minister. But I'm also like, if you're the government, if you're like killing- Somebody ain't married, he could go. No, no, no, no. No. Who cares?

I'm saying like, if you're the government just killing somebody, you know that they're gonna come back as like a fish or whatever, like it's gonna, they'll do something. Yeah. Yeah. So it's really not a good punishment. No, I agree. Keeping them alive and making them watch their parents have sex every day.

For a day. Seems like a way better punishment. That is a fair law. You gotta deal with whatever your words were. Did any of y'all watch the sad ass NBA All-Star game or weekend? I didn't even, I think the NBA is in trouble. I didn't even know it was All-Star weekend. I forgot. Completely forgot until I checked Twitter. It was apparently horrible. Yeah, I tried to tune in Sunday.

It was really, really bad. So what was the format? My understandings, it was instead of two teams, East and West, it was four teams and then a tournament. One of the teams is the Rising Stars and then the other ones, Chuck, Shaq, and Kenny picked their own teams and then they played. Yeah, it was like the OGs, so the older all-stars,

then the younger all-stars, then the rising stars, and then there's like the foreigner team, so they put like all the Joker bitches and all that type of shit on. And then it was just first to 40 and then... And then they put in the H1B Visa team. That's far. Why was the all-star game exciting when we were younger? I don't know. And here's another question. Was it? Yeah. I remember watching in 2001 and I remember they, it was like kind of boring at first and they said, these guys are going to start trying

in the fourth quarter. And it was awesome in the fourth quarter. When they really started trying. Yeah. And I don't remember them ever trying since then. Jordan and Kobe in like 2003. I remember that. Yeah, I don't think they were getting paid enough money.

I mean, now you're getting paid so much money You're like, I'm not gonna risk getting injured for nothing. That's a great point. It's an inconvenience Yeah, where's back then you're like I'm playing for honor. Yeah, I'm Kobe I'm just show everyone on Mamba And so he like would go off and they would really showboat for the first three quarters and then the last one they're playing and now It feels like they don't even care. Yeah, it's like no defense is slow lobs. It's like And now it feels like they don't even care. Yeah, it's like no defenses slow lobs. It's like It's like shit. So the claw. I used to be more excited for that than Super Bowl Sunday and then and now I'm like I don't even know LeBron fucked up the dunk contest because the year the years that we wanted him in it

He's like nah, it's too risky for my body So then all superstars stopped doing the dunk contest and now we got a white guy winning. Yeah, yeah, Mackleclung's fire though No, he is fire. Shout out Mack. But like that is a tricky thing. So the superstars stopped doing the dunk contest. So now we have less interest in that. The superstars aren't even playing their hardest and some of them don't even play. LeBron tapped out like an hour or two before. Yeah. Which Stephen A called out and I love LeBhm, but I agree with Stephen A here. It's like you could have just not played

and given someone else a spot. Why would you wait so long? Play or don't? But he wants that little byline. That says 20 time all star. Yeah. Yeah. So how do they also what would you do if you're advising like Wemby or you're

advising? Don't play hard. Yeah, right Yeah, exactly. I have a contract that is guaranteeing you 350 million dollars Yeah, I don't want you playing in a I don't let you play back-to-backs. You're not letting it scheme Yeah, you know, I mean like I'm not gonna let you play basketball hard. Yeah, nothing. It's crazy No benefit to my team at all. Yeah, they're in a tricky situation I mean you saw it happen with the NFL all-star game. That shit is flag football. I didn't know they

did that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's trash. Nobody watches it. Actually, it would still get big ratings, which is crazy. That makes no sense. It would still get bigger ratings than every other sport. I thought it was such a problem that they had to move it to the week after or something like that. They did the week between the Super Bowls and between the championship and the Super Bowl. The ratings weren't great relative to NFL games, but they were still shockingly high relative to other sporting games. Oh, really?

Huh, fair enough. I like the celebrity game. It was embarrassing. Celebrity game more than anything, because I'm like, I got to see Kevin Hart play. Because you're trying. Yeah, like they're trying, they have a little ego about it, and you get to see people play that you would never imagine playing. Yeah, that's cool.

That like, they tried to change it by making it like first to an X amount of points because then there's a cap and people start to play defense to be like, well, you're not going to get closer than me to the they were attempting to make the game more competitive. All right, I got you. Which it was. I know. I think I could save this shit. For one year I could save it, I don't know if it goes past one year. But what do NBA vets, what do like retired NBA players always say? Oh, back in my day with the hand checking rules, whatever, I would have scored 30 if it was like this or I would have done whatever. You make the game the current All-Stars versus retired All-Stars.

Okay? And you give the retired All-Stars some sort of like cushion, some sort of lead, whatever. And now you're playing for pride. Now all those guys that were talking all that shit on ESPN all year, how they would lock up Steph or what they would do to this person, what they would do to that.

Maybe you even switch it to like the old rules where hand checking is allowed, or like you allow them to play the defense of their time. I don't know, you need to create rivalry that we wanna see. I wanna see Kendrick Perkins talking all that shit about fucking Wemby and then have to guard him. Yeah, problem is they're all so out of shit.

Not all, so many of them get so out of shit. But if they knew, if they knew, all you gotta do is come up for one game. Yeah. You know, you just need something else. Like make them golf. Like what if you had like Jordan versus Steph, like golf tournament? Yeah. So basically don't, don't do the sport. Yeah.

Like you guys are going to get injured on, like you can play golf. No one's really going to get hurt, but I'm going to see two people go at it. I mean, that would work. People would tap in. I remember they played a horse one time. They've been trying. What if you did like G League stuff and if you win, you get in the league or some contract? Yeah, yeah. I think I think the only problem with that is that you don't have the stars

and the stars are what make it exciting. You know, like that's fair. Yeah. Just how do you do it? Or do you just do you just write it off? Do you do no game and just do challenges and ugh, I don't know. The dunk contest, they should just fuck it. If no superstars want to do it, open it up to everybody on the internet. Because there's some crazy like, like IG dunkers that would be nuts.

They just dunk. And just do that. Just get like... That is the problem. The non-MBA dunkers are better than the NBA dunkers. So we're watching... Just open that shit up to the problem. The non-MBA dunkers are better than the NBA dunkers. So we're watching- Just open-assured up to the best. Yeah, we're watching it. We're supposed to be watching

the best of the best this weekend, and we're watching worse dunkers in the dunk contest. And I would say, well, we don't know who they are. I don't know any of the dunkers really. They're all rookies or second year guys. I haven't heard them. I've heard their name, but I don't know about that. And who's that guy that does

like all the crazy trick shots online? Yo, oh God, lethal shooter? Lethal shooter. Lethal shooter. Shout out lethal shooter. I'm such a fan of his. Yo, mix it up. Put it for the non-game games.

Put people who are not NBA players up against NBA players, but they got to be nice. Three point shooting contest, definitely lethal shooter. Get out, dog. That's crazy. I got to see that. I figured it out now. I figured it out. I figured it out. No, that's fire. And then give him a 10-day.

Like, if he beats Steph, you get a 10-day. You get a 10-day. If he needs that, he beats Steph, dude. No, that's fire. Bro, you beat all the NBA guys in the three-point contest, and you only need one guy to make it into the finals. Yeah. And now you got the NBA players actually giving an effort

because they want to prove they're the best. You got to tap into their competitive instinct a little bit. Steph not letting some guy in on the league beat him. Exactly. Oh, and if they do, the shit talk that you get for the whole year, and then the next year the NBA is like, I know, we're going to get this. We're going to get it back. We're going to prove we're the best. I was interested when Steph shot against the girl I've heard her name.

Sabrina Inescu. Inescu. That piqued my yeah, I wonder how that would actually go. Yeah. And then with NFL, I think the Pro Bowl, you should put it the week before the season starts. Get like all the best players to start the season off. Like, just create the excitement for the new NFL season because they put it after the Super Bowl. And the after the Super Bowl. It's like we're done.

Yeah, it's like that was a crescendo. They get in shape, get their bodies primed to whatever for contact. The NFL is just so tricky because these motherfuckers get injured every single game. Yeah. It was a running back, back in the day, they were doing like a, not even the Pro Bowl game,

kind of forget his name, Robert something, he played for the Patriots, he was good. Hadn't gotten his big contract yet, but he doing a beach football thing before the pro boy Yeah, tore up his knee never really played again was never the same fuck I forget his name, but exactly the point he just became a cautionary tale I think a lot of players are like dying doing that shit. No Yeah, did you see Chris Paul and when be sort of cheated on the first thing? Yeah, the skills challenge

Yeah, skills challenge. What was the idea that like, if you do it under a certain time, it's more beneficial? It's fastest, yeah. But you got more points by being faster and they were like, fine, we'll throw the balls to the left and the right. You don't have to take a shot. Instead of trying to take shots,

they just missed all the shots. Yeah, one was high IQ, bro. That's all Chris Paul. Chris Paul's such a- Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know, I'm not familiar with this game. He's just a little scrappy,

kind of shitty do-whatever-dicks-to-win guy. Far. Which is great. Smart dude, though. I love you. What are we betting on now, man? Medieval martial arts? Have you been watching this?

Well, the real NBA season starts now. That's true. Now the NBA game's back. Can you bet on hockey fights? Apparently not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that US versus Canada. Yeah.

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This is retarded. So they actually fight, so it's basically MMA, but they also have swords and shields. Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's stupid. Who fucking cares? No, that's fire. What do you mean?

This is crazy. Have you ever seen this before? Punch a guy in a fucking shield, it doesn't hurt. Boom. I mean, crazy. I like that Al says this- And look where they are. Al says this doesn't hurt. Al fell skiing this weekend and it's like decrepit.

Oh, yeah. I didn't have what's going on. Yeah. You fell in snow. Nah, that guy might be dead. Yeah, he died. It's hard to know. It's ice. We have really bad slopes. Nah, I'm fucking in pain. Like everything's burning right now. All right, we got to go to Patreon immediately. Pretty bad slopes. Nah, I'm fuckin' in pain.

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