Andy & Ari On3 - Alabama ELIMINATES LSU from the CFP | Ole Miss HAMMERS Georgia | Miami goes DOWN

Episode Date: November 10, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Andy and Ariane Greek. Greetings to you, hotel room, painted yellow. It was the cheapest paint, Andy. Probably. It was on sale at Sherwin-Williams for 49 cents a pint. They had to get a lot of paint. This lovely, lovely hotel in Olive Ranch, Mississippi. Ari and I are here because we were at the Ole Miss Georgia game and
Starting point is 00:00:26 what a game it was. We got poured on. The fans rushed the field. We watched the goalpost go down. But we'll talk about that in a second because we have had an instant reaction show. You can hear that in the podcast feed and you could also watch that on the L3 Sports channel, but Ari we just watched Alabama Destroy LSU I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I realized we discussed this a little bit this week I don't think LSU could handle mobile quarterbacks. Yeah. No, that's pretty insane That wasn't even a game man, it was was ugly. That was at home, Tiger Stadium,
Starting point is 00:01:07 people were enthusiastic, this was a playoff game, elimination game, and Jalen Milrow rushed for what, like 1.9 million yards? In the first half. Yeah. He rushed for 185, 12 carries for 185 yards and four touchdowns. If you watched our prize picks preview on Jalen
Starting point is 00:01:27 Milrow last week, we mentioned that you might want to go more than 44 and a half rushing yards. I hope you did. That was a pretty bad number from our friends at prize picks. I don't know. We love you prize picks, but yeah, you didn't watch the LSU A&M game or last year's Alabama LSU game. Yeah, because we did mention in that video too that they would probably try to work in some You didn't watch the LSU A&M game or last year's Alabama LSU game. Yeah, that's okay. We did mention in that video too, that they would probably try to work in some design runs, but there was no answer at all. No. And you know, I think that you could, you know, spend a lot of time trying to break down the X's and O's of why that occurred. But you know, how that occurred, the setting in which it occurred, um, makes
Starting point is 00:02:03 me question LSU just in general because it's been quite the fall off the last few weeks for them. Oh, it was very bad. You know, really since the second half of the A&M game, it's... and look, it's interesting because LSU is actually still in it for the SEC Championship because remember one of their losses is out of conference to USC which by the way looks terrible now, but the LSU fan base
Starting point is 00:02:32 Turned on Brian Kelly tonight. They were not entirely sure they were if they were in or out on Brian Kelly They're now out on him. Yeah, because he got a lot of goodwill for beating Alabama in year one Yeah They're now out on him. Yeah, because he got a lot of goodwill for beating Alabama in year one. Yeah. And I think that that goes to show you how much this game means to them. And I know that there's the context of the playoff in the SEC race and all those things are also very important to that proud fan base
Starting point is 00:02:57 that expects to win championship games. But I do feel like LSU looks itself in the mirror every year at the end and compares itself directly to Alabama and the number one litmus test for how they're able to do that is how they fared against them on the field. And it's one thing to lose a tough game. You know, Garrett Nussmeyer through that really, really tough interception in the end zone. Oh yeah. That cause higher game.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Yeah. I mean, if they score there, I think I think there's possibly I don't know I mean they couldn't stop Miller all that's when the game was lost like even even if they had scored there would have mattered Yeah, but but what I'm saying is is I think that losing it in the fashion which they did where they weren't competitive Yeah makes you question Just the direction of the program in general and when we had t-bob on the show a month ago You know, I was trying to ask him about, you know, how LSU fans feel, like what the sentiment is towards Brian Kelly, because we are far enough along
Starting point is 00:03:55 into his tenure where they should probably be a little bit better than they are. I know they've had some tough breaks, I know Harold Perkins is out for the year, but you know, this isn't an Alabama world beater either, right, we've seen Alabama with their courts. They lost to Vanderbilt. Yeah so this was an important piece of context and information as it pertains to the SEC Championship race, but Andy I love that we are you know in some random hotel room in Oxford or in the area of Oxford
Starting point is 00:04:21 and like every general vicinity of Oxford every state is Oxford power for Conference race is just a confusing mess outside of the Big Ten Yes, very confusing as we as we watch BYU currently trailing, Utah in the second quarter in the Big 12 which is Potentially very confusing if you, BYU starts losing games. Yeah. But let's, let's try the sec first. Yeah. Why don't we play the game where Andy tries to explain to Ari how the sec championship is going to pan out. Okay. Cause I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Because there are so many teams that could potentially be tied. Right. For the sec championship. I think it's going to come down to the basically the strength of conference schedule equation is not even an equation it's winning percentage may as well be to me yeah winning percentage of all of your conference opponents who has the highest one of those now there's a if they get past that, if you go to relative scoring margin, which I am not going to explain tonight, there is a video that I made in August about it. You're, you're welcome to go find it because I'm not doing it again.
Starting point is 00:05:33 I mean, I might need to watch that because I don't even know what that means. If there's a chance we could get the relative scoring margin, we'll do it again, but I don't think so. So basically I think it's going to come down to conference degree of difficulty. The degree of difficulty of your conference schedule, who has the highest cumulative winning percentage among their conference opponents. So here's the potential situation right now that we're looking at. I was looking at the SEC standings earlier tonight. Remember, LSU only has two conference losses. So they're still potentially in this thing for the conference championship game, though they're probably out. Right now
Starting point is 00:06:12 we are looking at a situation where it now if Tennessee beats Georgia and Texas wins out easy, Tennessee, Texas is your SSE championship game. Who's the real UT? All that crap. That's the game. Easy. But what if Tennessee loses to Georgia and Texas wins out? Texas would be in, but then you would possibly have Tennessee at 6-2. Now, they still have to be Vanderbilt. Yeah. It's not easy.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Not easy. Yeah. But you could have Tennessee at 6-2. You could have Georgia at 6-ilt. Yeah, not it's not an easy proposition. Yeah, but you could have Tennessee at 6-2 You could have Georgia at 6-2. You have Ole Miss at 6-2 You could have LSU at 6-2 and Alabama at 6-2 It's almost like having a conference with 38 teams and it could wait wait wait and Texas A&M at 6-2 Yeah, there's a lot of Texas beat them so You would add up the or you would add up the,
Starting point is 00:07:05 or you would add up the wins and losses for each team's eight conference opponents. And the one whose opponents had the highest cumulative winning percentage would be the team that would go play Texas in the SEC Championship game. I think, don't know, because we won't know until they play all the games, I think that would be Georgia.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Because Georgia would have played Texas, Alabama, Ole Miss and Tennessee. Now they also played Mississippi state and Kentucky and Florida, which aren't great. Yeah. But they would have the largest collection of really good teams. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:39 So that's one potential scenario. There's another one though. Texas A&M beats Texas. Texas is still in though, right? No, no, they would have two losses. Okay. So they would, they would fall into the tie. Okay. But Texas A&M would be in the game. Yeah. And then it would be all those tied teams and it would be the same thing again Yeah, and like we can't solve that for you right now because the season hasn't played out We don't know because I don't know if there's gonna be some random, Florida Mississippi State game at the end of the year where the loot the winner of that game like determines a Florida Florida one Against Mississippi State. So yeah, so who so like are there is there any other games between
Starting point is 00:08:23 Teams in the lower half of the SEC that don't matter that are gonna help determine this possibly. Yes Possibly actually that is the last tiebreaker Random draw is the last tiebreaker Why don't they all just kick each other's asses in a ring and whoever's the last standing goats in like I mean Would would you not? Hire at Orgeron as your interim coach? Who would win that, you think? Oh, God. Kirby Smart probably would.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Kirby Smart was in all SEC safety. Yeah. None of the other people would stand a chance against Kirby Smart. But the thing that is interesting is that you are doing that equation math, whatever, in your head for five teams that all have the same conference record. But like that's just the conference race. Like how do you parse through that in the playoff discussion? Like that you're going to have a lot of head to head. Well that's the thing. One of those teams is going to be the SEC champions, so they're going to get the buy.
Starting point is 00:09:17 But the thing is, we could have a situation where one of the teams that makes the championship game is not or is one of the one of the lower potential at-large teams that is in danger getting knocked out I feel like we went through this year Andy assuming that all the teams that make their conference championship games in the Big Ten in the SEC would be in the playoff I think in the Big Ten that's probably still a pretty it's still gonna happen in the SEC unless it's LSU, which I don't think is gonna be LSU. So, let's just walk me through this and explain to me like I'm 12. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:52 But if the SEC... You're 12, you know like pre-algebra. I think you're ahead of me. I'm 37 and I don't know pre-algebra. Um, if you have all these teams that are 6 and 2 and there's some grab-ass tiebreaker that ends up sending one of the teams. It's not grab-ass though. You played the toughest conference schedule. So you had a 6-2 record against a tougher conference schedule than the other teams.
Starting point is 00:10:17 But it is just funny to think that like... It's exactly what the committee will use in determining who they put in the playoff. But then that team that had the same record and may have had a head to head loss to one of the teams that was left out of the SEC Championship game. For instance, if Ole Miss wins the rest of their games and Georgia goes like that would feel weird after what happened here. And it would feel weird, but Georgia beat Kentucky and Ole Miss. But what I'm trying to say is at the end of the year when the team who loses the SEC championship game picks up their third loss and the team that was left out of the SEC championship game also beat that team that now
Starting point is 00:10:52 has three losses. It's gonna be a problem. Are we sure that that no three lost teams? We're not we're not sure. Acting like that like whoever loses the SEC championship game is getting in the playoffs. Is the five seed or the six seed? We don't know that. I really don't think that's a that's a fact. Now it could work out that way. But like if Ole Miss is sitting there at the end at ten and two. Well, it also means there's a really distinct possibility that the loser of the SEC Championship game is a three lost team. That still makes the playoff.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Yeah. So how many SEC teams right now? Blanket guess. I don't know if you finished or started working on bracket ology yet. We have after this. I haven't. But how many SEC teams are going to be in the 12? Are we in? Are we back into five land? I don't think we can be in five land because are which which big 10 team are you knocking out because there's four big 10 teams that everybody seems to agree with the end. And it actually might come down. Well, this is going to be interesting, too. It's like if you get to the end of the road and Indiana hate to bring this up
Starting point is 00:11:50 again, is a one loss team with no quality wins. And they're being compared head to head with an Ole Miss team that beat Georgia. Like, who do you think is going to win that discussion? Like, I don't like everybody. Last week got angry at me when I was saying Indiana might be in trouble because their resume is bad. and it's like they already got disrespected by the committee on Tuesday and if they don't beat Ohio State, they're going to be compared to SEC
Starting point is 00:12:14 teams that have big time, maybe even multiple big time quality wins. What's in you got in you personally like I'll attack you in your hotel room right now telling me that like Penn State strength of schedule is more important than Indiana's record. Hey guys did anybody see Ari's top 10 last week. No don't do this. I just want to ask. I want you to go look at Ari's Ari's top 10 and see where Penn State is and see where Indiana is and then try to square that with everything else Ari said last week.
Starting point is 00:12:46 That was a mistake. It's been- Hypocrite. He's a hypocrite. It's been rectified. New top 10 coming out after the show. But do you see what I'm saying though? Like if strength of schedule in that instance
Starting point is 00:12:56 matters more than Indiana's record, then the strength of schedule and quality wins are gonna matter more than Indiana's record at the end of the year. I think you're probably right. Like I think Indiana's in, in dangers. Like what's happening in the sec like let's, let's do it this way. Let's and guys forgive me.
Starting point is 00:13:11 I'm kind of, you know, I'm free balling it here. I don't have my computer. I don't have, I'm just like going, uh, you know, off the memory. Um, good thing I think about this stuff 12 hours a day. Um, who were the biggest losers from today? Like Miami is the biggest loser. No, Miami is not the biggest loser. No, no, no. The biggest loser based on circumstance of something that happened outside of their control.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Yeah. Is what I'm going for. I think Tennessee is the biggest loser because if Tennessee loses to Georgia and they're 10-2, they might be on the outs here in terms of getting into the playoff. Because if you do have to whittle it down to four teams, Georgia beating Tennessee at home next weekend, you're not going to take Tennessee. Well, I guess maybe you might take Tennessee over Alabama, right?
Starting point is 00:13:57 Like, how do you beat Alabama? How are you going to pick the four? But Alabama beat Georgia. How are you going to pick the four very carefully? It's not going to be easy. This is a disaster in a beautiful way. I'm not saying you would expand the playoff. It is. It's what happens when you let everybody in. Then everybody has to get in. I don't know what you want because that is what you wanted. I don't know. But
Starting point is 00:14:23 like here's the thing we know how the sport works Andy and you can hate it. I know my know. But like, here's the thing. We know how the sport works, Andy, and you can hate it. I know my buddy, Doug Lamarice, up in the North is gonna hate it. But all those Southern teams. The SEC is gonna have the right of way. And like, I am also curious too about Penn State. Penn State's not safe here either, are they?
Starting point is 00:14:43 Like, if they are a 11-1 team with a loss to Ohio State and no quality wins, and they are compared head to head with a Tennessee who beat Alabama or an Ole Miss who beat Georgia, they are in deep shit, man. Like. Well, this is the part where the Douglas Marises of the world say, but you're just saying, you're just ratcheting up the SEC's competitive. You're saying that
Starting point is 00:15:06 the SEC is good and that those are good wins because the SEC is good. Yeah. That's what that's what Doug would say. Yeah, he's wrong. But that's what he would say. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm scared. I mean, we watched we watched Alabama play a middling big 10 team in Wisconsin and it was not pretty. The problem with You verse Doug is that the only way to actually get to the bottom of that is letting these teams play Right and we can't do that unless they play in the play I mean if the SEC teams beat the crap out of the the Big Ten teams that everybody knows they're gonna get in Then it'll yeah, they go beat the crap out of Ohio State Kick by Ole Miss and I don't I don't necessarily think that's gonna happen. Yeah, they go beat the crap out of Ohio State Kick by Ole Miss then I don't I don't necessarily think that's gonna happen. Yeah, so
Starting point is 00:15:47 To me it's like you're like, how do we get five SEC teams in who from the Big Ten? Are we gonna leave out? I just gave you two teams that could very well be left out you you could you could yeah and and so that's gonna have to play itself out or Indiana beats Ohio State Oh my. And by the way, that's not an impossible proposition. I don't think that's going to happen, but I think that Indiana is going to give them a game. So, you know, we are, but like Tennessee probably wanted Georgia to win this week just to knock Ole Miss out of the discussion. then they still have to play that Georgia team. And it makes sense. And Georgia doesn't absolutely need the win.
Starting point is 00:16:29 But Ole Miss being back into the middle of the picture muddies the waters a lot more. Ari, can I throw something at you? Because again, we're assuming chalk. And I don't think we should. Yeah, I do that. I think today proved that with with Miami and Georgia Tech again but We saw Georgia in person today. Mm-hmm. Are you sure they're gonna beat Tennessee? No, not at all Okay, but not by any stretch. Okay, let's talk about Ole Miss, Georgia Okay, cuz there's not much else to say about LSU Alabama, but let's Alabama crushed LSU, but let's do me a favor though
Starting point is 00:17:06 Andy you're the host. Well, you're the host to your names on the show. I'm the co-host. No, you're not. You're the host I'm the co-host. I Want to start with Ole Miss though because the weed I know George is interesting and everybody but like Ole Miss The team that we saw out there today and you had a better vantage point than me, you were on the field, I was in the press box. There is no way I could sleep at night if that team didn't make the playoff. Top five roster, top five roster.
Starting point is 00:17:34 There's no way, I know they lost to Kentucky. I don't know how, but they did. I know they lost to Kentucky, and I don't know how they lost to LSU, to be honest, after watching that tonight. But that team did not have Trey Harris. That team has an insanely good defensive line. That team's built in terms of talent,
Starting point is 00:17:54 as well as anybody else in college football. And when playing well, that team can beat anybody. Well, I'll tell you when you knew that it was different. You said it very well in our instant reaction video where you said that that's return on investment, as you saw. But there was a point in the game, I wanna say it was in the,
Starting point is 00:18:14 it was in the late in the third quarter. And Ole Miss has a fourth and nine or a fourth and 10. And it's a, you don't go for it, but they're in, they're either in plus territory, they're right on the 50. And it's one of it's a, you don't go for it, but they're in, they're either in plus territory, they're right on the 50. And it's one of those where two years ago against Alabama or Georgia, Lane Kiffin would have gone for it. Cause it's like the only way they can be in the game.
Starting point is 00:18:34 If it's close, they've got to try it. Well, this time there's no, there's no discussion. There's no even thought about it. You're like, oh, they're gonna punt, they're gonna bury Georgia back inside its own 10 yard line and that defense is gonna eat. Like you just knew that. There was no question.
Starting point is 00:18:53 So they are exactly what Lane Kiffin set out to get. After that Georgia game last year, after they got humiliated in Athens and Lane Kiffin said, we are just not good enough on the line of scrimmage to play against teams like this. He went out just not good enough on the line of scrimmage to play against teams like this He went out and got them better on the line of scrimmage their NIL apparatus the the Grove Collective Walker Jones that group they went out and got them better and they are Really good on both lines of scrimmage. Look, they still lost to Kentucky and LSU. I get it
Starting point is 00:19:24 But I'm telling you that team can play against anybody and win. Anybody. After the 52-17 loss, a reporter asked Lane Kiffin last year, what needs to happen in the future for this Ole Miss program to be able to compete with the Georges of the conference. He said, That's a good question. We have to recruit at a higher level. I'm not blaming anyone. We have to coach better. But at some point, whatever those stats are, we have one five-star and they have 24 or something, this kind of shows up at some point. And I think that that was almost just a message in the nicest possible way that somebody could say it that we don't have good enough players. Yep. And Ole Miss went about rectifying that not by helping them recruit high schoolers better,
Starting point is 00:20:11 but by going out and getting five, seven, or eight players who are... Impact players. Whether... Really good. Like Walter Nolan was a five-star recruit, Prince William Emanuel wasn't. I believe he's a four-star though. But he was Florida's best edge rusher last year. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, they got a bunch of people who were old and good. Who made the biggest plays? Like, Juce Wells scored that pivotal touchdown in the third quarter.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Prince Lee Manme-Ellen had a huge sack. Walter Nolan recovered that fumble with Georgia. I mean, these are the players that you need on your team that Ole Miss has not had in the past. And, like, when you were watching that game, I don't know who you thought was more talented. What did it look like to you? I thought that Ole Miss has not had in the past. And like, when you were watching that game, I don't know who you thought was more talented. What did it look like to you? I thought that Ole Miss looked more talented from top to bottom,
Starting point is 00:20:51 and that is a one-year turnover. Now, part of that is because Georgia isn't what it was in the last two or three years. They have glaring holes. The thing that I thought was most alarming about that game from a Georgia perspective was how open Ole Miss's receivers were the entire game. And I don't know if you could tell from your vantage point, but you know how it is when you have the bird's eye view and you could see there were people running around
Starting point is 00:21:11 that at 15 yards of space in every direction. And I don't know if those were blown coverages. People just couldn't keep up. Well, there were busts. Remember the play where Jackson Dart just takes off down the left sideline? That was a mental error by Georgia. That happened 10 times in that game it had to have
Starting point is 00:21:25 It was there were so many situations where was out of position or Ole Miss Like Ole Miss Ole Miss the Ole Miss defense physically beat up the Georgia offense but George's defense it seemed like schematically and physically were all over the place Yeah, and that's the funniest thing because their best receiver who had like a hundred receptions before he got injured Trey
Starting point is 00:21:52 Harris did not play in the yeah I I was talking to somebody from Ole Miss today, and they made a really good point They they mentioned that the the offense had almost become over reliant on Trey Harris which if you look at the numbers of catches he had versus everybody else before he got hurt like it was obscene. And now they've had to kind of go back to what they are as an offense and it really it's more effective it's not just run throw deep run throw deep there's a lot of mid... Maybe they should just bench him then. No I think they you know bring him back in but some of the things they've learned... This stuff bothers me I can't stand hearing that stuff. It's not it's not that. They're not saying they're better without him.
Starting point is 00:22:31 They're saying that they've they've learned to play without him and they'll be even better when he comes back. I hope that's true. You know I think that he is maybe if you did a list of most underrated players in college football he would probably... won that list. Oh, he's spectacular. And we don't talk about him nearly enough. So yeah, kudos to Ole Miss, because Ole Miss is a team that I, again, would lose sleep over
Starting point is 00:22:55 if they weren't able to compete in that playoff. I think they earned it on the field today. And you know, the Kentucky thing happened, but you've got the Vanderbilt thing happening to Alabama, you know, teams are losing games. The Arkansas thing happened in Tennessee. Yeah, like not everybody's, I mean, most teams have a really glaring, disgusting blemish on their resume at this point. So, um, Texas is the only one that doesn't, but they also don't have quality win.
Starting point is 00:23:20 But yeah, but I've said this on the show before and I think people think I'm crazy, but like the Georgia loss for Clemson is more alarming to me than the Ole Miss loss to Kentucky You mean the Georgia loss for Texas? That's what I meant Yeah Because they played in a big-time atmosphere at home against a really good team and got their ass kicked Like losing to a team that isn't as good as you because you have your head up your ass is not as alarming to me. So anyway If you want to go to Georgia now, we can do that. But I think it was important to at least spend five minutes.
Starting point is 00:23:50 And like also, too, you know, I've struggled, Andy, with the thought of, you know, I hear people say it, I say it, oh, in the new era of college football, you can really turn your roster over in 12 months and be a completely different team. And it's like, I remember watching the Ole Miss Georgia game 368 days ago. Yeah, and it was like it was hitting watching JV verse varsity. Yeah, it wasn't even close and in one year's time Not only did I think that like Lane Kiffin would like to have arrived at having 80% of Georgia's raw
Starting point is 00:24:24 talent level let alone like being the clearly superior talented team in this game in a calendar year, like that is a pretty great accomplishment. And, you know, when they stormed the field at Ole Miss and, you know, people were excited, it didn't just feel like we won a big game. It felt like we turned a corner. Like that's how it felt to me. And you know, we don't spend a lot of time when teams fall out of it. You know, we focus on the main issues here. And like Ole Miss has not been a main fixture
Starting point is 00:24:54 of our discussion points the last month. And rightfully so, because they were out of it. But they've played their way back in. They've played their way back in. And I wanted to make sure we gave them at least five to seven minutes of like real discussion because I'm super impressed with this team. And the thing that's exciting to me about the season, Andy, is there have
Starting point is 00:25:09 been teams this year at different phases of the year that have like Georgia, for instance, but after that Texas game, I was blown away by them. Tennessee at times this year, I've been like this team, if they put it together, could win the national title. I leave today thinking Ole Miss is really good and that goes in waves based on what you do for me lately but there are so many teams where if it clicks they're going to be in a position where they can make a run in January because there's no elite team like who's right and that's and that's the okay that brings us to the Georgia discussion as they go to play Tennessee. Now we don't have to talk much about Tennessee
Starting point is 00:25:44 Mississippi State. Tennessee beat Mississippi State. Tennessee's a lot better than Mississippi State Nico I am I am Ali Ava took a hit at the end of the first half Wasn't in there in the second half Josh Hypple said after the game. He expects him to play against Georgia I they didn't really need him Dylan Sampson went to the locker room before halftime Like I think the worry is among Tennessee fans that Tennessee's gonna show up banged up against Georgia But here's the thing the Tennessee defense Should be able to limit George's office George's offense is not very good, right? It's not that scary
Starting point is 00:26:19 Especially playing as a defense like Tennessee's that is gonna be very similar to Ole Miss's in how well they get after the quarterback. You know we both got ridiculed for questioning Georgia skill position talent and I even feel stupid because after the Alabama comeback. I don't think we did because the Georgia fans didn't ridicule us. They were all like yep we know. Yeah they've got players and they were explosive in the second half against Alabama. But the more time that passes and the more context we get, I'm starting to wonder whether or not they were able to be explosive because Alabama took their foot off the gas and was playing soft. Right. Because because because this is not savings Alabama and that can happen.
Starting point is 00:27:00 But also to schematically maybe they were playing to prevent the big play, right? And then yeah, gave up the big play. So you know what they say about pre not to lose and all that's prevent defense. Prevents you from winning. Yes, gotcha. I don't think there's a there's not a. Brock Bowers or Aladdin Conkey, who is scary, who if they touch the football, they're a threat to go all the way. Did anybody on Georgia's offense make a play in this entire game? Not really.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Travis Etienne, I think is the most likely candidate for that, but he's been banged up, but they also too don't really run the ball all that well. No, wasn't Tate Ratledge out there today? He was and they're rotating on the interior of the offensive line. I'm not sure if he's on a pitch count because remember he's coming off the tightrope surgery. I do wonder if the rotation on the offensive line is keeping them from from being more consistent up front. But I mean they also there were some moments where I thought at times they protected Carson
Starting point is 00:28:00 Beck better than they did last week against Florida. But then there were times like there was one where Prince William Van Mee-Ellen just ran the arc around the left tackle just, I mean, just straight up the play where he stripped the no, it wasn't a strip. That was just plain old sack. The strip was was later in the game and your face mask. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Yeah, that was such a weird play. Yeah, hit the quarterback strip sack. Ball squirts loose goes 20 yards backward running back picks up the ball. Defender tackles the running back but he happens to face mask him first down short. I thought in that moment I'm gonna be honest with you because Georgia moved down the field they didn't end up scoring on the but I thought that was gonna be like the turning point that led to a loss. Like I thought that Georgia was going to win after that. That was the one that ended with
Starting point is 00:28:48 a fourth and 10 and back through a pit. Yeah. Yeah. It was a little ball. Don't lie. They're going on. Yeah. But like just to like go from being up two scores pretty late in the game to giving them a first down after the strip sack and getting the ball back was such a disgustingly terrible turn of events for them. But anyway, yeah, so Georgia, for instance. Okay, I'm going to give you a key in here and we're watching BYU. 21-10 at halftime. To Utah at halftime. So if they lose, I think Alabama and... Do you have to come back over here? And we do an emergency show? We might have to. If show we might have to Provo are waiting up for us then maybe we will but the people of Salt Lake might be waiting for us they want to they want to celebrate if they pull this off know what to do with Alabama
Starting point is 00:29:40 and Georgia like I'm struggling with. But I think that Alabama goes ahead because they won the game and have looked more impressively recently. But when you're saying like of all the teams that are in that six and two cluster, maybe outside of A&M, I think Georgia has the most prevalent and real issues. Right. But they also got the hardest conference schedule. And they also haven't looked the best at their peak. Yeah. Which means if Georgia finishes six and two
Starting point is 00:30:12 in the conference and is tied with all these other teams, there's a really good chance Georgia's going to Atlanta. We'll see what happens. Tennessee could beat them, and then we're having a completely different discussion. I'm telling you this right now. If it turns out this way that Georgia goes to the SEC championship and then loses to Texas and Has three losses and then Ole Miss is left out in favor of them I'm gonna quit this job and sell insurance like I cannot live in that world. That's bullshit
Starting point is 00:30:40 You're not gonna quit. I'm not I love this job It would be very very disappointing I tell you you would you would be very, very disappointing. I tell you, you would definitely need to talk to somebody. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you're thinking of starting therapy, give BetterHelp a try. It's entirely online, designed to be convenient, flexible,
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Starting point is 00:31:17 We'll absolutely need someone to talk to you next week if they can't beat Tennessee. But in all seriousness, if you got some stuff going on, go to betterhelp.com slash and A and Ari. Get it off your chest, you'll feel better. All right, Ari, let's move to the big 10. We talked about this team already a little bit tonight, but Indiana played Michigan. Our guy Jeff told us that Indiana will be nine and O
Starting point is 00:31:48 going to the Michigan game. He reminded me again tonight, I did a game time survey in July. With our game time sponsorship, I'll put up a survey on what game do you most wanna go to? And I had four games. And he had a write-in candidate of Indiana Ohio State and he said I want to go to Ohio State against 10 and oh Indiana and I said
Starting point is 00:32:10 that's not gonna happen I said I love coach SIGS maybe seven and three this is on July 26th he said no they'll be 10 and oh Ari Indiana is 10 and oh going to the last eight game in two weeks so I had the Indiana Michigan game on the iPad at the Ole Miss game and I was watching it and they didn't seem to be playing very sharp in this game. And I think that it is somewhat alarming that at home they struggled against a team that really doesn't have a pulse offensively. That said, it's also college football and a bunch of teams lose all the time to bad teams and like you just it's not rational to expect a team to not only go
Starting point is 00:32:54 undefeated but to beat everyone's ass the entire way there. So like I think I'm gonna give them a mulligan on this. Like I don't really think this moves the needle for me and in fact I'll give you a little preview. I put Indiana at number four my top ten. There you go. Except you don't think there's any but you don't really think this moves the needle for me. And in fact, I'll give you a little preview I put Indiana at number four my top ten. There you go Except you don't think there any but you don't think they're gonna make the play It's not because I wouldn't put them in there It's because I think they might have a problem when the people in that room and grapevine are talking about it. I Think you may be right already banging that I don't have a good schedule drum
Starting point is 00:33:24 If they lose the only game on their schedule that is against a really good team, they're gonna have a real problem, I'm telling you. Well, they're gonna play what we think is a really good team in two weeks in Ohio State. And I guess we'll get our answer then. As boring as this is to say, I don't know how much there's even left to say about Indiana at this point. We've spent so much time breaking down what Kurt Signecki has done there, how well they play, how great they are offensively. I think they've got some really important pieces on defense. What they've done has been super impressive. That said, their strength of schedule is 103rd, or was last week.
Starting point is 00:34:02 I don't know what the playing is going to be. It probably went up a little bit from there, but it'll probably be in the hundreds when we're the 90s by the time we get the Tuesday and it's kind of just like I'm in wait and see mode now like we're going to probably get in Ohio State, Indiana game. So, you know, that's not that big of a spread to me. Now, a game like that on the road, like Indiana fans want you to scream from the mountain tops that they are legit. And I've given them as much flowers as I possibly can at this point of the season before they just got to go do it. And, you know, this game, I mean, people go, look, they struggle with Michigan. I'm not that person.
Starting point is 00:34:43 But at the same time, I'm kind of tired of talking about the blowouts against teams that aren't very good And I'm just excited to really get the answer of just how good is, Indiana no more Statistics on reddit no more. You know fantasy fantasies about what could should or may happen We're gonna get to watch them play four quarters of football against the team that we think can win the national championship on the road in two weeks. And when we watch that, I think that's going to be a revelatory discussion, not only for Indiana, but for Ohio State as well. I cannot wait. Now that's two weeks away. Now the team that we are probably comparing the closest to Indiana is Penn State, which has a loss to Ohio State, has no other losses, and played the the team that
Starting point is 00:35:27 previously was the one that had given Indiana the best game. Washington lost by 14 to Indiana. Michigan has now given Indiana its best game. Penn State just ran them. Penn State destroyed Washington in the White Out on Peacock. Yep. Can't believe the White Out was on Peacock. 35 to six, it was not close. It's a mismanagement of the White Out. Yeah. I know there's TV obligations and I know that the decision
Starting point is 00:35:52 isn't just pick the biggest game, but it really is to me. And I'll say this, Penn State fans, like the White Out is the coolest atmosphere I've ever witnessed in college football. And I'm scratching off SEC places off my list. I was at Ole Miss today, was awesome, was great. Saw a fan storm in the field. I've been to Bryant Denny a few times last year against Texas. I've never been to Tiger Stadium. I've never been to Kyle Field, which hopefully will rectify this year. Never
Starting point is 00:36:19 seen a game in Sanford. Been in Sanford, Sanford, never seen a game there. As far as my experience, and partly is because Ohio State was there when I was on the beat, and you know how it goes when the state's a road team. But that is just amazing. Like there's really like, it is one of the gems of college. So you're saying it doesn't need to be exclusively on a streaming service? I think that it is an important and intimidating environment that gets super loud and the press box shakes and there's something about the sea of white, like the student section, it just looks like it goes on forever because of the color. I could not imagine having to like score a touchdown going into that end zone.
Starting point is 00:37:01 And Penn State, well, if Washington didn't, I guarantee you, I guarantee you that Penn State would have had a slightly better chance to beat Ohio State. I mean, everybody was wearing white except for the people wearing Navy where they striped it like the helmet. Yeah, I don't like that. Just wear white. But do you think that if Ohio State played in that environment tonight that they would have had a better chance to win? No, I think they would have needed it. I think they would have needed to score an offensive touchdown. Yeah. Maybe score an offensive touchdown and you can beat Ohio State. Yeah. But like maybe that that India a lot about environment, Indiana. Let me give you the secret. When you have the ball, take it to the end zone, hand it to the ref or whatever. Just make
Starting point is 00:37:44 sure it crosses the goal line, but take it to the end zone. Hand it to the ref or whatever. Just make sure it crosses the goal line, but take it to the end zone. Ohio State forgot, or Penn State forgot to do that when they played Ohio State. You should try it. Andy, Yellowstone comes back tomorrow night. It's gonna be electric. I mean, minus Kevin Costner, but sure.
Starting point is 00:37:58 How are they even doing it without him? More Beth Dutton. And you think that's a problem? I'm not saying anything. Okay, next game. All right, before we move on from the big 10, more Beth Dutton. And you think that's a problem? I'm not saying anything. Okay. Next game. Before we, before we move on from the big 10, I do want to point out, uh, the eighth and CAC Cali Monius revenge game happened.
Starting point is 00:38:19 It's just, just so I can say eight and Cali Monius over and over again, eight and Cali Monius for those who don't know was Minnesota starting quarterback last year, Minnesota, then recruited recruited Max Rosenberg from New Hampshire. Eight and Cali. I'm honest was like, I see what's going on here. I'm out. He goes to Rutgers. Minnesota played Rutgers on Saturday. Rutgers won. Eight and Cali. Cali. I'm honest revenge game there. I have in all of your ability to pronounce his name.
Starting point is 00:38:43 I've mispronounced it twice tonight. But also the defensive end that transferred from Florida to Ole Miss. Prince Lee Uman Miellen? I wouldn't even try that. He's got brothers too. He's got a brother named Prince Will who I believe plays for Nebraska. Uman Miellen? Uman Miellen. Uman Miellen. There you go. You got it. The faster you say it, the easier it is to cover up the the issue. I mean, you Emmanuel. Man, Mellon. Yep. And then Ohio State, obviously won by 100. Yeah, they beat Purdue. So are we forgetting anybody? Well, let's talk about how Iowa got their ass kicked on Friday night. We go back to Friday night where, hey, guess what? Deshaun Foster can coach. Yeah. And Iowa's offense is worse than we thought maybe.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Their defense is worse too though. I mean, do we not want to discuss the fact that a person who was playing, who was a walk-on, who was playing scout team linebacker two weeks ago was taking snaps for Iowa and let a touchdown drive in that game? It's a problem. But the other thing that we also need to discuss is, A, UCLA may be a Smidge better than we thought they were because the way their schedule is setting up. That's three wins in a row now and
Starting point is 00:39:52 It's been a long time Since I've seen Iowa get its butt kicked on both sides of the ball in the line of scrimmage So like hats off to UCLA for that win Friday night was a fun game and Yeah, so do you want to go to the ACC now? I fun game. And yeah, so do you want to go to the ACC now? I actually want to talk about Wendy's Spicy Nugs. Okay, well, and then I want to go to the ACC. So we're going to talk about Wendy's Spicy Nugs. And I believe Producer River has a nice little little ad that we made for them. And then we'll talk ACC.
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Starting point is 00:41:59 That's seven delicious ways to try the nugs you already love. Take a flavor, grab some extra napkins, and prepare to nug. I I've never dug before. Ari, let us move to the ACC where we got our most shocking result today and we sort of glossed over it on the pick show the other day. We just saw all of Miami's not going to lose to Georgia Tech. That was the team. They didn't take a knee against last year. Georgia Tech beat Miami Ari and it was
Starting point is 00:42:27 it pretty wire to wire beating Yeah, my favorite thing about today was that Miami went from being out of the playoff to controlling its own destiny and also Potentially being the favorite to win the ACC and be the three seed in two television windows. It's amazing That that is pretty spectacular. You wanna tell the folks how that happened? So Miami lost to Georgia Tech beginning of the day.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Then the Miami fans probably spent the next three hours picturing what the world would look like if they finished 11 and won and not in the ACC championship game because Pitt and SMU Control their own destiny then Pitt ended up losing on to Virginia Saturday night later to the Virginia and now Miami has a tiebreaker Advantage over Clemson, who beat Virginia Tech.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Now explain like I'm five, why. No, you explain it, I can't explain it. But you explain this to me. I know, but I messed up in my head. Just do it. Okay, so the ACC does have the same cumulative conference opponent winning percentage tiebreaker as the SEC.
Starting point is 00:43:41 The Big Ten also has it. I believe the Big 12 has it too. But they have it. But before that, there is a, your record against the highest ranked common conference opponent. And in this particular case, if it is Miami and Clemson that wind up tied, no one else is tied with them. They have both played Louisville, which will be the highest ranked common conference opponent, and Miami beat Louisville and Clemson lost Louisville.
Starting point is 00:44:13 So that is why Miami would get in over Clemson if both of them are seven and one in ACC play and SMU is eight and oh. So translation, because Pitt ended up losing to Virginia, Miami's loss today is basically a mulligan because they can still win their next few games both of which, well heck one of them's, they're both ACC games and but they're both going to be heavily favored games I think. They were heavily favored today. Yeah, I'm not saying that they cannot get in, but they're in a position.
Starting point is 00:44:48 They play Wake and Syracuse. Yeah, and who knows, Syracuse is pretty good, and Wake runs a slow mesh. I still can't fathom when I watch them how the quarterback had stand so close to the line of scrimmage with the ball. Just walk it in. Yeah. And how no one just hits him. I watch it in amazement every time.
Starting point is 00:45:04 Now, Miami's also got a week off before Yeah, so don't Miami's in a position Where it can try to figure out his offense because that was so bizarre To me because we've been saying on the podcast for the past three weeks that Miami is gonna get sniped eventually because their defense Can't stop anybody and the reason why they lost to Georgia Tech is because their offense couldn't figure it out Which is the last thing on earth either of us expected, because I actually came into the day thinking that Miami had the best offense in college football. So, you know, who does now?
Starting point is 00:45:32 I still think I would take Miami's. Yeah, I was going to say that there's some of its parts are really right. There's nobody that you're just that excited about. I mean, I don't know. Ole Miss is really good. It is now. Yes, figured it out. It had it had a few games where it couldn't get going. Collection of receivers. I think darts are really good quarterback
Starting point is 00:45:48 and then Bentley runs really hard too, man. Yeah. They're running back. Like I think I like Ole Miss. I don't know. I think Ohio State, I think Oregon's in the mix, but I still think that Miami is just, when it's playing well well is pretty hard to
Starting point is 00:46:05 beat in terms of talent to talent player to player. And I made this comparison on Twitter. I don't know if you saw it because you were getting rained on on the field, Andy. But like Miami strikes me as like they are 20, 23 LSU, but they just don't have the, they have the fortune around having to play an SEC schedule. Now don't freak out and tell me that. Cam Ward isn't as good as Jayden Daniels and the two receivers that are in the NFL. I'm not trying to make a player-for-player breakdown comparison. I'm just saying a team that has a very explosive and talented and deep offense.
Starting point is 00:46:35 You have a Heisman potential finalist at your quarterback position, and your defense just prevents you from cashing in on what that offense could give you but that's not what happened against Georgia Tech They had some turnovers. They got held on fourth down. I think three times Andy They just weren't themselves today and it was just a weird game to watch It felt like it felt like watching Miami last year it did and You kind of wondered I at least I wondered maybe, I don't know if you did. I wondered at some point with that pop up would, would the Miami or the Mario Cristobal coached team. Cause Oregon would have those games too. Usually when they played a team
Starting point is 00:47:18 from the state of Arizona, like there's there. So is, is the state of Georgia Mario Cristobal's new air state of Arizona Yeah, well, can you walk me through whether or not Mario Cristobal made a boneheaded decision with clock to if you are if you have all three timeouts and then you are you know at the end of the road of the game and you're on the other side the plus side of the two- the game, and you're on the other side, the plus side of the two minute warning.
Starting point is 00:47:48 And he called, there were two minutes and 14 seconds left when they got a critical third down stop. Right. They had all three timeouts, and then he did not call a timeout. He just let them run it down. Which is 14 wasted seconds, right? Right, because when you have the ball,
Starting point is 00:48:02 you can control the clock. You can control the clock when you have the ball and then when they sent out the punt team he called a timeout during the two-minute warning and blew a timeout at that point now it didn't end up mattering because Cam Ward fumbled the ball right I got the first or second play of Miami's possession and then right that was the end of the game but like didn't love what I saw out of the clock management situation there and I know Mario gets you know is it is it is it Brent Key being on the other sideline that causes it just like a Georgia Tech probably I don't know but that's really
Starting point is 00:48:36 it's really weird so it was just was not a very it wasn't a master class in time management either so yeah I still think yeah, I still think Miami would, SMU has a chance to beat them, I still think if they win the rest of their games and face SMU, who we're assuming is gonna win out, which maybe isn't a safe assumption, but we will do that for the time being, that Miami is still like as of right now the favorite to win the ACC despite what happened today. So Clemson beats Virginia Tech and at the time Clemson is like okay this is interesting and and they're they're thinking okay Pitt comes in we'll have to beat them but I don't know did they
Starting point is 00:49:22 ever really have a chance with the with the ACC Championship game? Who Clemson? Did the pit losing to Virginia matter to them? Because, I mean, they're going to play pit next week. They would have probably beaten them. I think that they need SMU or Miami to lose now. Yeah. So they don't control their own destiny, but you know, obviously they didn't
Starting point is 00:49:47 score any points like Clemson saw Miami lost and felt a rejuvenation of ACC title hopes after coming into the day, like as a 4% chance of getting in and then didn't score any points in the first half against Virginia Tech. Now they scored 24 and the second one one the game, but you know, I don't view Clemson as a very scary team right now either. So I think that they're like, I mean, SMU has, has a pretty easy schedule down the stretch and so does Miami Miami loss to Georgia Tech would means maybe they could lose at Syracuse. I don't know. Um, Clemson seems like they're on the outside looking in right now. Yeah, rightfully so
Starting point is 00:50:28 With two loss Florida State played Saturday, too, by the way, I Somebody asked me earlier in the day. Who's Notre Dame play today? I said Notre Dame's got a bye week You know, like oh wait, no, no, they play for state. They do have a buddy So they basically have like 52 to 3 for say is awful Yeah, I mean I honestly was thinking about this. I Can't remember a team that people thought was going to be good being this bad Yeah, and they like the Florida State lost North Carolina last week and it was one of those things where you're like, oh wait, they played Yeah, yeah, it's it's bad now Notre Dame keeps rolling Notre Dame army is gonna be a banger. I think Notre Dame is gonna win win by 40
Starting point is 00:51:03 They're gonna do exactly what they did in Navy. But we'll find out. Two weeks in between. They got UVA next week. So yeah. And who knows? UVA just beat Pittsburgh. Yeah. USC is making quarterback change. USC did not play today. Right. So they play Nebraska next week. Yeah. Jaden Myava plays, but they might have a resurgent offense by that point in the year. We don't know how it's going to look, but Notre Dame seems to... By the way, the day after Notre Dame lost to NIU, they were plus 450 to make the playoff, and if you knew ball, you took it. Somebody in here knew ball.
Starting point is 00:51:40 Oh! Yeah, I mean, you've been banging the drum the entire time I remember don't you realize how doing that video with you? Yeah after they lost to Northern Illinois. You're like, no, no, they're still gonna make the playoff and Do you like how the chatter of anger like towards that sentiment gets quieter and quieter every week until it just dissipates and then oh No, it's it look there, there's always going to be a group that hates Notre Dame that doesn't think they should make the playoff no matter what. And the fact they lost in Northern Illinois, we're gonna we're gonna get anytime we
Starting point is 00:52:14 mention it. I can look at the chat right now. I guarantee you somebody's like they lost in Illinois. Why are you talking about that? We're not acknowledging the chat as much as we usually do. We're usually at desks with our computers in front of us. You're down there. It's way down there and I don't have my reading glasses on. I can't read that far. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:32 But, yeah. So, we gotta go to the Big 12. Which is doing everything that we hoped it would. But first, the show is brought to you by Panini America, the makers of the most collectible sports cards on the planet, the Luminance Football Card Series features NIL autographed cards from players including Archman and Quinn Neuwers, Cam Moore, Jalen Melrose,
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Starting point is 00:53:17 So I am very fired up that Panini is a sponsor because I spend all my money on their products even when they're not. So when they send us some cards, it's always a nice little bonus and nothing more exhilarating than ripping packs and trying to stumble upon a monster. So when we get back... Oh my God, I forgot. I'm seeing producer River in person tomorrow. And you forgot? I forgot his Joe Milton autograph card. I'm going to have to mail it to you, River. I'm so sorry. So sorry. I'm a jerk. I suck. I had it on my desk like, okay, remember to bring this with you because you're going to see River. It's a Joe Milton autograph and who would love it more than River?
Starting point is 00:53:52 No one in the world. I think. Yeah. I mean, also too. Can we be? Can we maybe we can bring him a trust tree? Is he like, does he want that? He does. Does that bring up good memories or bad memories? I don't know. I I just don't know Milton's a VFL yeah so I'll make sure we get the Joe Milton card to produce the river alright let us move on to the big 12 which Ari I'm glad we went so heavy on Colorado last couple of weeks yeah because again the people the Colorado fans who yelled at us all off season were right. And we were wrong. Colorado is good. And
Starting point is 00:54:33 Colorado stands a very good chance of making the Big 12 title game. Okay, so BYU is losing to Utah on the road. Right 11 right now with the entire second half left. That game is far from over. Yes. Cincinnati lost their out of the picture now, right? That's their third. That's their third one. But West Virginia is still in the Big 12 championship game picture because they only have two conference losses. OK, so just break this down for me. You're looking at it on your iPad. Who's alive and where are we at? Well, before the before the day started, there were 14 teams still alive.
Starting point is 00:55:07 Arizona and Oklahoma State were the only ones that had been knocked out, and now, of course, my standings page will not come up, of course, because that's just how these things go. But I will keep trying to get to that. Look at that. Can you see that down there? Oh, there's the standings. All right. Sweet. This is the old standings. This is not the updated standings, but I'm going to try to suss them out. Wait, did UCF finish off Arizona State because they were winning? This is the problem. This is the problem with the Big 12. Like, it is just a constant. Okay, I'm pulling them up on my cell phone here. Okay. Alright.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Give me the standings. Okay, so BYU right now is 5-0. They're losing. Yep. Arizona State did beat UCF. It did. That's what I thought. Sam Levitt threw a really nice touchdown pass at the end of that game to lift them. Colorado is 5-1 in conference play right now. Correct. So they are alone and control their own destiny to make the big 12 championship. Correct. After Iowa State lost to Kansas, which somebody told you to take the Kansas money line on Monday. So if BYU ends up losing this game, Colorado is in first place.
Starting point is 00:56:22 this game, Colorado is in first place. Whoo, man. But West Virginia is four and two. Yep. Arizona State is four and two. Kansas State is four and two. And Iowa State is four and two. So BYU, even if they are to lose tonight, still controls its own destiny for the big,
Starting point is 00:56:39 I mean, this game theoretically doesn't matter at all because they're gonna have to win the Big 12 championship regardless and that would yeah this is this is a one bid league the champions getting in and that's it so maybe you know it doesn't matter maybe unless army and Boise State went out in this another another potential problem there Cincinnati Baylor Houston have three losses. Kansas has four losses. USCF has five. Utah and Arizona are one and four. Arizona's one and five and Oklahoma's state is 0 and 7. So Colorado's remaining schedule, Utah currently beating BYU as we said. Kansas which beat Iowa State and scored a bunch of points on them
Starting point is 00:57:21 and Oklahoma State. I feel safe writing off that Oklahoma State game as a win, though I shouldn't feel safe with anything in the Big 12. Utah and Kansas, I don't feel safe at all, but Colorado looked awesome. Can we talk about the tortilla? Do you want to talk about the tortilla going in Travis Hunter's pants and onto his junk, or do you want to talk about the tortilla?
Starting point is 00:57:41 Well, it came from somebody else's pants. We learned that on the show this week. Remember, we were talking about the tortillas and we were mentioning making a taco on them. And a Texas Tech fan wrote in to the chat and said, do not do that. They get smuggled in in the students' pants. But why did Travis Hunter in the midst of a game
Starting point is 00:57:58 in which he scored a touchdown and continued his Heisman campaign, shove a tortilla into the front of his pants? Probably because he was also, maybe he watches the show, maybe he knows that's where it comes from. That they come into the stadium in somebody's pants, so he needs to get his essence on the tortilla. So, and I believe he's, I believe somebody got the tortilla and got it autographed. That was the Shador Sanders autographed tortilla, which is a different tortilla. That was a Chador Sanders autographed
Starting point is 00:58:25 Oh, yeah, which is a different tortilla different that had a hole in the hole the middle I don't know what's going on there. I have no idea why I don't know what you're into Andy But if I know what tortilla has been in another man's pants, I don't want it in my pants Yeah, no it was an incredible Game they were down 13 nothing in this game Andy. It was kind of danger it was an incredible game. They were down 13 nothing in this game, Andy. It was kind of danger zone in the beginning. Yep. But Colorado scored 41 points. The over hit at the end on a scoop and score in garbage time. Don't
Starting point is 00:58:57 ask me why or how I know that. And yeah, so they're in a position. So now the question is, is where do they go in bracketology? Because if BYU loses tonight, you might be convinced to put Colorado, I'm gonna put Colorado. Can I make the Twitter sphere go crazy? Cause like, so the way bracketology works is we've got you lovely people who watch the show and listen to the show,
Starting point is 00:59:22 who pay attention to everything in the sport, you're very dialed in, you understand everything, you're gonna read the bracketology column, and if you have criticisms, they'll probably be very valid ones, but probably like Andy, this wouldn't work if this game happens this way and this game happens this way,
Starting point is 00:59:38 like that's how you would criticize it. It's really complicated, yeah. Then there are the people who just see the graphic that our guy Jack Terry puts out on Sunday That don't that still don't understand that the top four seeds go to conference champs that like don't understand any of that Remember there's like 20% of the population That likes Dion Sanders and wants Colorado to succeed and another 80% of the population that doesn't like Deon Sanders and is going to go insane if they see him in that. The On3 main Twitter account has a quarter of a million followers and like the people who like we used to have our stories tweeted out by the New York Times main account and
Starting point is 01:00:16 I think it has like millions. Millions. Yes. So like it's not the first time our work has been posted but On3 threes Twitter account is more engagement than New York Times. Well, let's be honest, 250,000 people who are engaged college football fans. Yeah, exactly. I mean, New York Times people are, you know, wanting to know what's going on with the Keystone
Starting point is 01:00:37 pipeline and the Middle East. And like there's a lot going on with the New York Times. It's not right. It's not the same thing as when On 3 posts a graphic about college football and graphics are necessary. Oh, very necessary. Like when Diego Pavea sues the NCAA, that's America's freaking quarterback and everything he does is worth a graphic. Graphics work. I don't know what the problem with graphics is. People go crazy. So anyway, I've made the decision already coming into the show that I am going to put
Starting point is 01:01:07 Colorado in my if BYU loses if BYU loses. All right, let's make a pledge. Let's make a pact. We're both gonna do it But it's rational. It's not it's crazy thing. It's completely rational They're the hottest team in the league the hottest team in the league and they're gonna be playing the team that's losing to Utah right now Why wouldn't I do that? Right the case for against it is bullshit like they well They're gonna be playing Utah and and you know, I'm watching Utah this week And I'm like why didn't they make the whole offense out of Brandon Rose like this took it what took so long? But really Andy this was a game that they could have lost if Colorado right the same team, but they're not the bowl Yeah going on the road to a Texas Tech team that has played really well,
Starting point is 01:01:46 came off a very emotional win, and then Shadour Sanders threw three touchdowns. Travis Hunter scored. I think Shadour Sanders also ran one in. I think he had four total touchdowns. And they won by 14 points on the road in a place that throws tortillas at you. And when tortillas are thrown at you, shove them down your pants. Exactly. These are the rules. Have you ever had a tortilla down your pants. Exactly. These are the rules. But no, I'd call it. Have you ever had a tortilla in your pants for any reason?
Starting point is 01:02:07 No. I feel like I've lived an unfulfilling life now. When you say it like that. Are you going to try it? I mean, I kind of have to now. Wait till your wife and kids are out of the house and see what it feels like. Just watch, watch, watch, watch.
Starting point is 01:02:23 I'm going to have to. There's no other way. If it lights you up inside. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. All right. Let's let us move on. Not to Lawrence because the stadium is under construction in Lawrence to Kansas City Arrowhead Stadium where the Kansas Jayhawks took down Iowa State, which was undefeated last week, lost to Texas Tech, now has lost two in a row. They're not out of the hunt, but this is one, again, on Monday I said, take the Kansas Moneyline, because Kansas has lost a bunch of one-score games. They're kind of due.
Starting point is 01:02:59 Iowa State had lived kind of dangerously. They were coming off the crippling loss. This felt like a moment for Kansas. And it was. They took the hammer to them. And Iowa State did almost come back, by the way. Kansas is just having a rough year. That doesn't mean they're a terrible team. Yeah. Lancelot pulled still a very good coach. They're not a bad team. They just had a few breaks not go their way. Iowa State, the way that they lost the last two, that's pretty unfortunate because they were really fun to track there
Starting point is 01:03:30 for the first seven games of the year. The reality is that Kansas, who does Kansas have left? They can still be the big player. They play Colorado. Yeah. So that, you know, that's not going to be an easy win. But yeah, they're, they've got explosive offensive talent and anytime you have that in this league, you're dangerous. And frankly speaking, Andy, everybody's dangerous in this league. Well, exactly. That is pretty much the issue. So Kansas, by the way, the Jayhawks could really mess some stuff up. BYU, Colorado and Baylor. That's the remaining schedule.
Starting point is 01:04:05 I mean, if BYU loses tonight, like that is upset city and then loses to Kansas. Yeah. No, I'm saying like next weekend against a whole hosting Kansas might be kind of an upset watch. We will be watching that game as we do the show next week. Yeah. Next week's gonna be fun, but yeah This is a great show. I don't know how I can't see how long we've been talking But I think we have it all covered. Did we forget anything? I'm trying to think we got the a thing Cali Ikemanis revenge game. I'm glad we did that
Starting point is 01:04:37 We got Arizona State coming back and beating you. Oh speaking of comebacks speaking of This is the game. I, like, when I picked this game, we do the written picks column where we write down the picks we make on the pick show. And this particular game, I picked Shrug emoji, okay, I guess I'll take Oklahoma. It was Oklahoma, Missouri. Drew Pine started for Missouri at quarterback Oklahoma myriad offensive issues you all know about that. This game was nine three Oklahoma at one point So Oklahoma comes back and takes a 23 16 lead on A Missouri fumble a scoop and square was six is tied at 16 Oklahoma comes back. I guess Oklahoma comes back ties it at 16
Starting point is 01:05:27 Missouri then fumbles Oklahoma scoops and scores This allows Oklahoma to take the lead Missouri then takes it down the field drew pine who in the fourth quarter or well late third and fourth quarter look like Joe, Montana Takes them down the field ties the game at 23. Oklahoma gets the ball back. They're trying to, you know, they just need to move into field goal range. Jackson Arnold fumble, scoop and score, Missouri wins. Lots of people on Twitter asking me what Brent Venable's buyout is. It's 44.8 million, ladies and
Starting point is 01:06:03 gentlemen. He's not going anywhere. That's just brutal. That's just a brutal way to lose. I know Oklahoma fans aren't fond of me. I think they understand now that you were being slightly realistic and that maybe they were a little harsh. They don't. They don't? They're still mad? They always just come here after it happens, by the way. Oh, okay. Fan bases thrash you and then when you turn out to be right They're just there know we have 22 seconds remaining But when Zion young return that fumble over was the reason he got benched mm-hmm and then turning it over wait
Starting point is 01:06:34 Are you saying they should have played Michael Hawkins jr. I? think that like Did catch a touchdown pass in this game, but I'm saying that it's a tough break because he had been playing better, right? Like it wasn't pretty for Oklahoma's offense, but like to lose a game like that after they gave up what 14 points in 33 seconds like that. Yeah, it was awful. I mean, I'm just feeling bad because I know it's a proud and passionate fan base that wants their team to compete. And you know, I guess it kind of, you I guess it kind of, we didn't talk about this in the Missouri is also a team that could finish six and two
Starting point is 01:07:10 right in the. Yeah. My god. To wrap it around. Well, Missouri's got to play this team that we're going to talk about in a second. And I think that may be the end of that. But we'll see.
Starting point is 01:07:21 It depends on whether Brady Cook plays. South Carolina. OK. So South Carolina played Vanderbilt.ilt remember we were saying is Vanderbilt the best six and three team in the country Going into the week. No, they're not South Carolina is now the best six and three team in the country because they beat Vanderbilt 28 7 South Carolina might find its way into the top 25 of the playoff rankings coming up Yes, and suddenly that helps Alabama, that helps LSU, that helps... Oh yeah. They need a different kind of help. Well it doesn't...
Starting point is 01:07:54 I'm sure Clemson's not looking forward to having to play South Carolina at the end of the year, but South Carolina is really good. Yep. And I don't... I wouldn't want to play them if I were Missouri next week But they are gonna play me. I don't know. I know what have closed that Alabama game We would be talking about them in the same vein Maybe not the same as Ole Miss because we know that Ole Miss probably has a better Ole Miss dump truck them by the way Although they are but they would be in the mix in that discussion So just close that one game Ole Miss's second best win though is Probably gonna be South Carolina. Yeah, if South Carolina wins out there nine and three
Starting point is 01:08:32 That's a that's a Ole Miss beat them 27 to three on the road. Yeah, that's gonna be a big one for them. Yep Yeah good I mean I just always feel bad for Teams that are on the we're on the brink of having a special season and it's like this one won't be anything that we remember but you saw a vanity no I'm talking about South Carolina because they had a what they were five minutes of game action away true because they had a chance to be 10 and two and they if they won out they would have beaten Alabama their entire season would be different. Yeah, you're right. season would be different. Yeah, you're right. Now, if they beat Alabama, maybe not everything goes the same the same way. I don't know what the butterfly effect on all that stuff is. Is that the right thing? You like those movies
Starting point is 01:09:12 that is that is I didn't see that movie. That was Ashen and Kutcher wasn't it. There was a superhero in pink types. Would you have seen it? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Spider Diego. Diego Pavi is the superhero. Why, Dylan? Yeah. Dylan Stewart's the superhero. Do we need to talk about the suit, or can we just talk about that one day? No. We don't need to talk about the suit.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Heck, we haven't even talked about Florida yet. You have not gotten to talk about Billy Napier staying at Florida because you were on jury duty. Yeah. And I was dying inside because we sat in the... We didn't give them a jury duty update. Oh, yeah. Okay. So Florida kept Billy Napier while Ari was waiting.
Starting point is 01:09:46 I was dying inside, Andy was like, they're keeping Billy Napier and I'm just sitting there next to a bunch of random people and I'm just like, God, I hate my life. Because I wasn't able to weigh in on that. Good thing you went on JD Paquel's show. But the... You're jealous that JD got to chime in.
Starting point is 01:10:00 I was kind of jealous, yeah. I mean, I'm arrogant enough to want my opinions out there on every single matter. But so, yeah, we go to jury duty and I walk in. And so I told you I was going to be late, right? Right. Instead of just being late and chanting. You should have been later. I called the courthouse that day and said, hey, listen, I've got to drop my daughter off at school.
Starting point is 01:10:19 It says I need to be here at eight. Is there anything that I can do to just push it back to 845 so I can drop my daughter off and get there? And they're like, it says eight on the summons, but as long as you're here by nine, nine, 15, you should be fine. So I walk in around 835, you know, I busted my ass to get down to the courthouse because I don't want to mess with my civic responsibility.
Starting point is 01:10:40 I was ready to fry somebody in the electric chair. I came in like a Rose Bowl tunnel, no, I'm kidding I wanted to take my civic responsibility seriously And then I get in line they scan my thing and like two people after they scan my thing. They're like, alright everybody That's all we need for the day. You can go home and there goes BYU to the house But back in the game and So that was my first bad break if I would have showed up five minutes later They wouldn't have needed me and I would have been able to go right home and I would have been on the video with you and JD. Then we sit in a room for five hours as the person or the defendant was pleading out whatever they were coming to an agreement on a plea deal.
Starting point is 01:11:20 And we're sitting in the other room waiting for this to go down, not knowing what was happening. We're just sitting there and I'm like, and I was almost, somebody gonna just acknowledge we exist right now? Or we just, they put us on a lunch break. I ate a tuna sandwich out of a vending machine. It was great. Then they brought us in, they're like, you can go home like at four o'clock. But the thing, I have a Wendy's spicy nug take for you. Okay. Before we wrap this up. Yeah, go ahead. Writing is in my opinion. And I don't know if this sounds.
Starting point is 01:11:51 Hoity toity or, you know, arrogant. OK, the defendant should wait for us. Like these, you know, I'm saying like we are the innocent bystander. Society, we have jobs. They're innocent until proven guilty They are the ones who are breaking the law But you don't know they broke the law yet You have to decide that you're in a position where you might have people think you might have broken the law
Starting point is 01:12:14 You tell the jury or the jurors when to show up and if you're still pleading then then we go home And then you wait for a jury. What am I waiting there for five hours? But the defendant waiting to sell for don't you you know there's billion-eight-year news to discuss? But don't you think that it's backwards? How dare you? You have 40 people who have lives out there that you're holding hostage and while this person's pleading, he should be waiting for us. How do you know it's a he? I don't know that. I don't know what the crime was but I'm sure they were pleading out whether or not a fender bender for $800 is worth a criminal... I don't know. It's crazy. But do you agree with me?
Starting point is 01:12:51 Yeah, I do agree with you. Jury, you have just summoned three times as many people and have them show up every hour on the hour, and if you show up and the person's pleading, then they go home and then the jury that shows up the next hour hour comes and then if there was nobody there then the defendant waits in the cell or wherever they're you're tight your time is of no value to these people there's no efficiency whatsoever in the government and it bothers me you should vote then we're not going to I'm going to finish my bracket ology now oh yes Florida kept Billy Napier and then lost 49-17. There was stuff about the basketball coach. Very, very detailed story in the student paper, the Independent Florida Alligator. The basketball coach then announced on Saturday that he's engaged an attorney and is considering a defamation suit that
Starting point is 01:13:45 attorney happens to be the one who represented Hulk Hogan against Gawker Media in the sex tape trial so yeah in case you're wondering how things are going in Gainesville they're going just fabulous that said we said we were gonna go an hour tonight we went I think we went an hour and a half hour 15 we're good I think we had a great show though, that was fun. It was a great day. It was a great day at College Football. I'm glad we got an earth-shattering, mind-blowing result in the Miami Georgia Tech game. Georgia Ole Miss was not a particularly competitive game, but it was such a crazy storyline.
Starting point is 01:14:22 I think all of you who are not Georgia fans The idea of seeing Georgia manhandled by somebody is so unusual. You probably couldn't take your eyes off of it Yeah, Alabama crushing LSU. I would have enjoyed a more competitive game if I'm being honest We were looking forward to watching it, but I'm here. I am here for the discourse. We also want to be entertained, too You know, yeah, I'm here for the discourse the following week week They bring the live tiger out. I guess but it didn't work They should have had a will ferrell do it I I'm thinking I'm thinking can't you know? Joe exotic was involved in this thing somehow one of the funniest things In terms of pure comedy I've ever seen is when that psychopath during COVID, the Tiger King,
Starting point is 01:15:06 had that girl that was working for him had her arm bitten off. And I'll never forget this. It was in the heat of, it was like a week after COVID started. Well, remember Tiger King dropped as we all got locked in our houses. Yeah, right. So I was watching this in Phoenix with my family and like, I hated it, by the way. I didn't think it was like interesting at all I thought it was bizarre and weird but there was one scene where he had an employee working for him at the zoo or whatever you want to call that psychopath's collection of animals and she got her arm bitten off and Joe Exotic heard that she got her arm bitten off and he went, oh my god, oh my god, I'm never gonna financially recover from this. And that was the funniest thing that wasn't
Starting point is 01:15:56 supposed to be funny I've ever seen in my entire life because you thought the oh my god was a reaction to somebody getting their arm bitten off and the whole time the only thing he was thinking about was his financial responsibility for what may or may not have happened as a result of his irresponsibility. I just think that's hilarious. I love how your mind works. That's all I'm never gonna financially recover from this. Which I say six times a week and Alright folks BYU is is trying to get back into this game We are gonna sign off. We love you. You know where to find us Monday through Thursday
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