Andy & Ari On3 - Alabama ROLLS, PUCKERS and then THRILLS | Kentucky stuns Ole Miss | Penn State handles Illinois

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

Welcome to Andy and Ari On3 presented by Wendy's!(0:00-20:08) Alabama BLASTS Georgia(20:09-22:52) Wendy's Taste Test(22:53-35:44) Oklahoma WINS on the Road(35:45-40:00) Irish get BACK on TRACK vs Louisville(40:01-42:49) USC SHINES vs Wisconsin(42:50-48:47) Colorado STUNS UCF(48:48-53:14) Kansas State Bounces Back vs Oklahoma State(53:15-56:49) Heisman Discussion(56:50-1:00:42) Penn State Handles Illinois(1:00:43-1:03:23) Michigan beats Minnesota(1:03:24-1:08:38) Kentucky UPSETS Ole Miss on the Road(1:08:39-1:11:56) UNLV wins with new QB(1:11:57-1:19:02) Miami's win over Virginia Tech(1:19:03-1:21:00) PrizePicks Recap(1:21:01-1:24:01) UNC-Duke Recap(1:24:02-1:24:50) Nebraska gets right vs Purdue(1:24:51-1:26:32) Florida State loses on the Road(1:26:33-1:29:09) Texas A&M wins in Jerry World(1:29:10-1:35:50) Wrapping Up; Jeremiah Smith Discussion Alabama took a 28-point lead and then let Georgia come all the way back and take the lead before Jalen Milroe hit Ryan Williams for an amazing go-ahead touchdown. Auburn threw a pick-six as part of a collapse against Oklahoma. Kentucky controlled the tempo and stunned Ole Miss. Penn State needed time to get going but handled Illinois. Notre Dame cashed in on Louisville mistakes to beat one of its best remaining opponents. USC fell behind but played a great second half to beat Wisconsin. Colorado crushed UCF in Orlando, and Travis Hunter scored a TD and intercepted a pass. Michigan took a big lead and then hung on to beat Minnesota. Ohio State rolled against Michigan State. UNLV rolled against Fresno State after its starting QB quit the team over an NIL dispute. Duke came back and handed North Carolina a loss that might have been worse than last week’s. SMU crushed Florida State.Want to watch the show instead? Head on over to YouTube and watch here: https://youtube.com/live/B-m4Nq-BfiE

Welcome to Annie and Ari on 3 presented by Wendy's and college football never lets us down Ari. I sent you a text in the second quarter. Should we just start the show now when it was 28 nothing Alabama? Georgia had a lead in the fourth quarter and then ryan williams made one of the most unbelievable spin moves i've ever seen in my life well i want to tell you this right now andy you're gonna have to explain to me everything else that happened on saturday because i just forgot all of it watching that that was incredible like we were on the verge i mean if that game would have gone to overtime uh we were 20 yards away from ot, I think, or Kirby probably would have just gone

for it because he's a badass, but like that might've been one of the most entertaining college football games I've ever watched. You know, like that was something and we were going to have to have a long conversation tonight about, you know, what this means for Georgia and the trajectory of that program and what it means for Alabama and the trajectory of that program and what it means for Alabama and the trajectory of that program. And it turned out just to be two teams that want to compete for and play for a national championship this year, playing a tremendous football game.

Gamer D, y'all picked Georgia. No, we both picked Alabama, actually. It's all on the show on Monday. We picked Alabama because you don't give Alabama points at home. And I was feeling really good about that pick Ari when it was 28 to nothing. And then basically about five minutes into the fourth quarter, I was like, this is, this is not going to be so easy. This is,

this is going to be tough, but Ryan will 17 years old. Kill everybody on his eye black kill everybody i'm pretty sure it's a tribute to alvin mack i really hope it's a tribute to alvin mack even though that movie came out about 20 years before 20 years before ryan was born no 10 years before he was born you know here's the thing I like I know we're supposed to have like some amazing takeaways and we will but we haven't seen Georgia in that situation in what five years like it's been a long time since Georgia was getting thinking about that

I was like when was the last time we saw Georgia get its ass kicked and obviously Georgia didn't get its ass kicked they came back Georgia didn't get its ass kicked. They came back, but they were getting their asses kicked. And like even Kirby's first year, they didn't lose. Like they lost to Vanderbilt that year, but they didn't lose like that to anybody. They didn't just get run out of the building. I guess Ole Miss beat them like that. Hugh Freeze beat them like that.

Kirby's first year, he beat him 45 to 14. So that's the last time that Georgia just got destroyed. And they may have gotten destroyed at some point, but they didn't. They didn't allow it to happen. It was, I don't know. I mean, they just wouldn't let it go. They wouldn't stop fighting. They suddenly found a way to shut down an Alabama offense that they could not stop in the first quarter. And Carson Beck, who was turning the ball over like crazy, suddenly looked like a first-round draft pick again.

Yeah. You know, what were we going to get from Georgia when they're getting their butts kicked? And I feel like there are program-defining games a lot of times. Like when you see the changing of the guard, Andy, like when there's a team on top of the sport and then they're no longer on the top of the sport, you kind of get to a point where it's like, wow, this is a defining game that shows you that they might not be on top of the sport right now. And Georgia, the entire time it was down, kept fighting, you know, and it's like as big of a win as this is for Alabama.

And we'll talk plenty about that. Like, I have a lot of respect for, for Georgia, like the criticisms that we had for this team going into the game. The reason why we picked Alabama to win this game, like they had skill position players making huge plays, you know, Carson Beck had a really, really good second half until the game clenching interception that he had,

like this team wasn't just going to lay down on the road and allow Alabama to embarrass it, you know? And like, when you get down to the conversation that we were going to be having, you know, over text, you know, an hour ago in that conversation we probably would have had now is like, where do you put Georgia in the poll? It's like, I put Georgia's right smack dab in the top five.

Like this is a team that I anticipate is going to be not only in the SEC championship game, but playing this Alabama team again. Like that was tremendous theater. It was a really good football game in like Georgia. I just, in a loss, cannot say how impressed I am with the way that they played that football game in the second half. Yeah. The way they fought tells you, Hey, they can play with anybody. They can beat anybody, but they're also vulnerable to a lot of the better teams. Like Texas could jump on them like that. Ohio State could jump on them like that.

That doesn't mean they won't fight back, but it does mean, hey, you got to worry here. And you got to worry when they go to Austin. They're going to go to Oxford later. We'll see. We don't know what Ole Miss is because we saw them lose to Kentucky today. But that's the thing. If you're Georgia, you still have a couple of really tough road games and some games in SEC play that you don't quite know what that's going to be. Let me throw this one out at you. Harlem 139 in the chat. Man, Bama took their foot off the gas. I don't think they did.

I think Georgia's woke up. Yeah. I just think it's really hard to kick Georgia's ass. I mean, it's like funny to say, but like, you know, Andy, based on the things that we were saying about this team or the way that I felt about this Georgia team going into the game, if you would have told me that they'd be down 28, nothing, you know, I'd be like, this team is not equipped or built to play from behind. You know, like they're not going to score in chunk plays. They're not going to get the ball downfield very easily.

And like Georgia did all the things in a loss that I thought this team lacked. So like as you go forward in this 12-team field, I still feel very confident in Georgia being the highest-ranked one-loss team moving forward and a team that I think could beat Alabama if they played again next weekend. So we have to recategorize our brains a little bit about how to contextualize losses now because back a year ago or two years ago, losing a game in the regular season felt like a catastrophic detriment to your chances. And I know Georgia, even in the 14th field, would still be alive. But, like, you have to, like, retrain your brain to know that, hey,

you know, games like this are going to happen more frequently in this new system. Games like this aren't going to mean as much in terms of, like, what it's going to tell us about the national championship. And I think Georgia proved they had a second gear there that I didn't know was there. And I'm back to thinking right now uh immediately in the what five minutes after the loss that i this team can beat anybody in

the country including alabama so like you know i think that this is a big win for alabama we got to talk about that but like i don't i didn't lose like i think i gained a viewpoint like i think that i view georgia in even higher regard now than i did on friday because they didn't quit and because they could come back against a team that's that good it's pretty amazing but also let's let the people in on our text conversation and you mentioned it earlier we're trying to figure out where you put georgia in the rankings where like where where would i put them in bracketology and I remember when they were down 30 to 7 I was like well I guess I gotta keep them ahead of Clemson because

they kicked the crap out of Clemson but I'll just put them you know I'll put like Clemson 11 and Georgia 10 well not now yeah well you know we have to write stuff in advance so i had like alabama number one and their blurb uh being like i thought they were going to win the game but i never thought that they were going to win by 100 and i had georgia at 10 i feel like and like now it's like do i put georgia ahead of any under like i think i'm going to put georgia ahead of undefeated teams and i think people are going to lose their minds but like that's where I think they belong so you know I know we're not supposed to be you know so excited about Georgia after a heartbreaking loss and their fans are probably really upset and all the things that happened in college football but like you know when you watch that game you can't view it in the same context of what does

this mean for the national championship and is the loser out you have to view it as two titans of the sport playing a very high level of football one team won the first half one team won the second half and then of course alabama won what this means for caitlin deborah all those things are still uh very much in play so like it's a monumental win for alabama don't get me wrong and i know we're going to get into that, but I thought that David in the chat, Buckeyes fan here, three teams are getting in from the sec, at least two from the big 10, David,

I don't think you're getting the math of the playoff here. Yeah. More from both. Yeah. It's going to be more from both of the leagues. Yeah. You got to get into 12. Yeah.

Getting to 12 is hard guys. You're going to see, and I don't want to do the Notre Dame dance right now. We know we have to do it in the show. But Andy, just to put a bow on Georgia for me, thought that they were inherently flawed. I thought it was lazy to just assume that they are the number one team in the country coming into the year without examining what they had on offense

and whether or not they were going to be able to do it. And I think that was wrong. I think that Georgia should have been number one. I think Alabama is the new number one. And I think both of these teams can legitimately win the national championship this year. So, yes. But do you want to talk about Kalen DeVore and Alabama right now? Ah, we can.

We should. Should? Yeah. I mean, this was a fantastic game plan they put together they jumped all over them and you can say oh they you know they almost choked it away but they didn't and they they went up 28 to nothing on a kirby smart georgia team like how in the world nobody does that yeah um so i wrote a column on on three on friday because we didn't discuss this on the podcast but i was under the impression it was my opinion andy that if you had to decide which of the two coaches was facing more pressure in

this football game that it was kaylin devBoer. Because Kirby Smart already has two championship rings. Even with a loss, Georgia was going to still be in the national championship picture. He's already proven who he is and what his program is. For Kalen DeBoer to come in to Alabama in his first test, and this is the first time in over 10 years that Alabama has faced a top 10 team in the SEC opener at home I thought we were going to learn a lot about Alabama in terms of what they look like the way they play the way the offenses were drawn up um you know just does it have the same feel of it is Alabama just Alabama without Saban or is Alabama still Alabama you know and I think that

we definitively proved that this team has a look about it. It has the same Alabama look. And to go out and not only look good in your first game in the SEC, but to do it against Georgia and to drop some really clever plays to put the people that are on your team in the best position. I thought Jalen Milrow played a fantastic game, especially in the first half. And then with all the marbles on the line, Andy, to dial up a 17-year-old freshman receiver

who's not only going to get open, but make the play that Ryan Williams made there at the end to win them this football game. It's like, how do you look at what Alabama has from a roster standpoint and look at the coach and what he's able to do in terms of the development of his quarterback and what he's done offensively, not just at Alabama, but during his entire career

and not think that this team can beat anybody in the country. So I was having Alabama floating around the 5-6 range in the poll, and it's like that was a miscalculation of who they were and probably just taking them a little lightly based on the fact that they don't have Nick Saban. I think Kalen DeBoer last year earned a lot of respect. I do think that there was an interesting moment in the game

that we can talk about that's not very big, but I think an interesting moment in the game that we can talk to. That's not to talk about. That's not very big, but I think an interesting thing to dissect. But that was a really, really impressive SEC opener for a guy who, you know, like let's, let's break down what Caitlin DeBoer did. Can we,

can we just do this? Like he could have stayed in Seattle. He could have stayed in Seattle, Andy probably written his own check for the next 20 years. He took that team to the National Championship. Everybody would have been fine. Everybody would have been happy. He took it to a National Championship game. He probably would have kept most of the roster together. Obviously,

Michael Penix Jr. was leading, but they would have been pretty darn good going into the Big Ten this year. Yeah. He could have had a really great existence and made a fortune doing it. He chose to go to Alabama and replace the greatest coach of all time, a place that won eight or nine consecutive recruiting crowns and expect to get every five-star roster. I mean, think about what this man signed up for.

It wasn't just to win games like this or to play games like this, but it was to win the battles that he faces every single day, whether it be a game on the field or a recruiting battle against the team they just beat and it's like you almost have to be a glutton for punishment to put yourself in that position and this man did it and not only did he do it like walked around the sideline like a freaking g the entire game too like i i just like i don't know i was very uncomfortable with how quickly they hired him and i thought that there was a chance honestly just from an analysis standpoint that you go out and you hire the flavor of the month coach who took Washington the national championship game never signed a top 100 player in his entire

career was only in the power four level for for two years of his his long career and now you're just going to give him the Alabama job like I think on paper there were things that could have scared you but he has been recruiting well he knows knows how to drop an offense. He had his team motivated. You know, he's just a badass. Like, I don't know if you view Kalen Moore in a different light, but I thought that he earned a lot of respect and frankly has shown already in the five or six months that he's been on this job, that he's up for the task of replacing Nick Saban. I'm not saying he's going to be as good as him I don't think anybody will be but up to the task of existing in that role that he chose to do when he could have taken the easy way out made a shit ton of money out on the west coast still been in the big 10 had a really competitive team that would have

been you know pretty good for the next 10-15 years and then gone out on his own terms. But instead he put himself in the fire and he killed it tonight. Absolutely killed. I expected this from Kalen Moore. I didn't expect him going up 28 to nothing, but I expected him to be competitive and, and to make Alabama a national title contender, just like he was hired to do because he's been good everywhere. You know, people forget the first job he had was in the nia but he he took that job with the expectation like that they expected him to take it over and compete for national titles immediately he did so yeah it's what he's always done but we don't have to do this right now because this could be like a monday or tuesday discussion but i gotta say oh yeah no i don't think that winning everywhere is a proper prereq for being ready for the Alabama job.

Like I know that like track record has an impact on who you are and what you're able to do. And a lot of times it does translate. But it's like saying somebody wrote really good stories for a local newspaper of a circulation of, you know, 1500 and that they're ready to be the lead columnist for the New York Times or whatever. Like, it's like there is a jump. And I'm not saying that it doesn't translate, but there was a lot there that you could have doubted. I mean, I was worried about Alabama, not just this year. I thought they were going to be fine this year because they have really good players. But like, what was Alabama going to look like in five years? We're talking about a game here too, Andy,

where there were 100 recruits on the sideline. A lot of very highly touted players committed elsewhere were on the sideline for this game. And he had an opportunity to not only win this game and put Alabama in a good position on the field this year in terms of the rankings and the playoff discussion, but he also had an opportunity to prove to those teams that Alabama or those players that were on the sideline, that Alabama is more than Nick Saban,

that Alabama is still one of the premier programs in college football. You go there to not only play in these games, but to win them. You go there to be developed and get drafted. I don't know if I'm overstating this, but I think that as much as I just gushed over Georgia and how much they proved to me that they're a really good team, I think this was a program-defining win for a program that has had a lot of these, but absolutely needed it in the change of leadership that they've had there, because you do need to have proof of concept. You do need to prove to people that it wasn't just Saban. Like, Alabama is Alabama. And I think we saw that tonight. We definitely did. And we saw Jalen Milrow, I think, take another step. And one of my favorite things is when we see a superstar become a superstar.

We knew Ryan Williams was good. Ryan Williams was a five-star recruit. Everybody knew Ryan Williams was good. But to be a superstar, you have to play your best at the biggest moments in the biggest games. And that's exactly what he did. He was incredible. Now, he wasn't perfect he misplayed a kick return but that play at the very end of the game when georgia takes the lead

and alabama absolutely needs him he not only makes an incredible catch the spin move away from two guys defied the laws of physics plus i'm really hoping he gets interviewed and he says i wrote kill everybody on my eye black in honor of alvin mack yeah andy too so hard his girlfriend dies uh it was ryan williams and forgive me because there's a lot happening in my house that muffed that kickoff right it was so like a freshman moment a 17 year old moment like you know they ended up having to you know punt the ball away which then led to the go-ahead touchdown that georgia had but that could have been a really low moment for a player too so when you think about like just what it takes from a physical standpoint or a mental standpoint to get back off the mat after having a play that could have cost him the game

and then not only get open but to make the play that he did, that is just some special shit, man. That's like this is a player that we're going to be talking about for the next three years before he's a star in the NFL, and we're talking about a 17-year-old kid here. So that's the type of weapon, too, that Alabama has had so many of the next three years before he's a star in the NFL. And we're talking about a 17 year old kid here. So, you know, and that's the type of weapon too, that Alabama has had so many of during the national championship races,

like, you know, the Jameson Williams and the Devante Smiths and the Jalen Waddles. Like, I mean, I don't got to go down the list. You know, they are like to have this guy that,

that can break open a game for you. Like this is the highest level of game he's ever going to play. And it might not have a Astro turf and logos of the CFB on there, but it's the best type of team and the highest level of game he's ever going to play in. It might not have AstroTurf and logos of the CFB on there, but it's the best type of team and the highest type of environment that this kid's going to play in. He's going to play in NFL games that have better players. No, but I'm saying like in the college level, he's never going to be in a more high-stakes moment

than the moment that he found himself in at 17. And not only did he show up for it, he exceeded expectations in it. And it was just – I mean, it's just really cool to see. So like Jalen Milrow played an incredible game. There's no question. I think that we've seen his maturation, that throw that Milrow had on that wheel route. Oh my God.

I watched it 30 times. It was the, like you could not have moved that a millimeter in the air in any direction and made it any more perfect than it was. So, you know, Hey, I just like, part of me just wants to rank these one and two, you know, like I, I, I think that this was everything that you could have possibly imagined and, uh, and more. It was all right. That game was amazing. We're probably going to talk more about this game during the week. And obviously we are on Monday through Thursday, 9.30 a.m. Eastern time.

We talk college football pretty much every day. But we do have to talk about some of these other games because there are amazing games. There's games going on still. We got Big 12 after dark and Big 10 after dark going on. We got Oregon in the red zone against you ucla right now we got arizona up on utah right now all right it's it's just an incredible day of football where do we go next where would you like to go next putting on me huh well why don't we go to Oklahoma? Do you want to go to Oklahoma?

Okay, before we do that, we'll go to Auburn. We'll go to the loveliest village on the plains where they were up double digits on Oklahoma in the fourth quarter, and then some stuff happened. We'll do that right after this word from Wendy's. Ari, you're official welcome to On 3. We are presented by Wendy's, the Saucy Nugs. That's our specialty item. We have every flavor of Saucy Nug. You've been training for this your entire life. You know, I was telling everybody before this, but my dad looked at me in the eyes when I

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Let's talk about the game, then we'll talk about the tweet. Let's show the Oklahoma Sooners the love that they deserve. Auburn is beating Oklahoma by double digits in the fourth quarter. There are some things that Auburn does that make you wonder, hmm, like, I don't know, putting in a backup quarterback on the goal line where everybody knows he's going to run when you could just run with Jarquez Hunter, who's proven to be better at running the ball in this game. That would be one thing. They threw a pick six. Auburn threw a pick six. It was a crushing pick

six. There was also the situation before the half with the field goal where they missed the field goal, but Oklahoma had 12 guys on it. Like they mismanaged the clock. They did a fire drill field goal. Oklahoma had 12 guys on the field. They miss it, but Oklahoma had 12 guys on the field. So you get another crack at it. They miss it again.

Just everything goes wrong for Auburn there at the end. And I got, I went on the Auburn live message boards and I gotta say Ari it feels like a lot of the discourse around Billy Napier at Florida this time last year with Hugh Freeze yeah well I mean the thing that is kind of unfortunate here not kind of unfortunate but like we spent a lot of time talking about interceptions this week in auburn and i think that hugh freeze made the right decision andy and going back to peyton thorn i actually thought that he looked pretty functional for the majority of the game yeah except for that like i thought and then the game was lost on a pick six so it's just like you kind of feel like

auburn was dominating that game for three quarters I mean is that how you felt because that's how I felt watching it yeah so uh I did too um and then well kind of scores the first touchdown and you're like all right this all right here we go you may have something and then Auburn just took over until the fourth quarter really yeah so you know when looking at the quarterback switch that Oklahoma made they got a win they got somebody who was mobile and it looks like the right move right like I when I tweet in the middle of the third quarter and it doesn't age well you have to be able to own up to being wrong right but can we go back to the third quarter when I tweeted that or you know in the second quarter that if Oklahoma gave up on Jackson Arnold for a person that wasn't going

to be throwing the ball very well if that was a questionable decision like that's where I'm at so like and you were anti this tweet from the beginning so let me have yeah because we'd actually talked about this days ago and I said they don't have any healthy receivers their line is not particularly great Jackson Arnold doesn't give you a chance to win the guy who runs is the only one who gives you any chance yeah so were you did you come away because like I'm getting hammered by Oklahoma fans right now and maybe rightfully so but did you come away from the game feeling like Oklahoma has their guy like did you feel like this is I'm not just saying

because their receivers are out and you need to put the person in that runs the wet vest like do you think this is a proficient enough passer um will figure it out? And I'm not saying that he can't ever throw, but putting somebody in who completed 10 passes and won the game because of a heroic defensive play at the end. Do you think that in two weeks when we're at the Texas-Oklahoma game together, we're going to be like, this is the right thing. They did the right thing. Well, it's still the better thing than Jackson-Arnold.

See, that's the thing. You keep thinking about it the right or the wrong thing. There is only the thing that is better than the other thing. And right now, the situation they're in, he gives you a better chance than Jackson. Arnold does. His skillset gives you more than Jackson Arnold skillset in this

situation. If the situation changes, perhaps you reevaluate. But as long as their top four or five receivers are out and they're still struggling to protect, there's really not much you can do about it. I mean, it's actually pretty remarkable that Oklahoma is going to be the better choice.

The Oklahoma won this game with how many injuries they suffered. Like, I mean, like, we got to give them credit for the loss that they suffered at home seven days ago to come back, go out on the road and beat Auburn without those guys. It's pretty great, but you have to go back to the mindset that I was in when I posted it, because when you read it after it looks stupid, but at the time it looked like Oklahoma couldn't get a first down. They couldn't move the ball through the air.

And yes, uh, Hawkins was doing pretty good evading pressure, but it's not like he was running around like Michael Vick out there either. And if they would have lost this game without eclipsing a hundred yards passing, like it looked like we were going to be, that's the mindset that I was in. So when you analyze a tweet, you have to analyze the current mindset, not what happened after. It aged poorly and I look like an now and i'm and i can admit that well no but the thing is game and they would have had a terrible off it's your five-star brain that caused you to send that tweet like jackson arnold was a five-star so you can't believe they went away from the five-star for the not the five-star

jackson arnold would have been battered in this game it would have been worse no for sure but I think that's a fundamental difference that we're having here Andy is that when a team gets beaten the way that they got beat by Tennessee and has the schedule ahead that Oklahoma has like I think it's okay to just be real because this is a podcast and I'm never going to just BS people this is what I actually think I do not think that Oklahoma is going to make the playoff this year. So like for me, everybody is, and maybe rightfully so, maybe this is a flaw in my thinking, but everybody is so locked in on, can they beat this bad Auburn team? And they beat this bad Auburn team.

Like go celebrate. Like that's the most important thing. Because that was the game they were playing. You're right. But I am always- And a loss would have been really bad. Yeah, right. But I'm always thinking program nine steps ahead. Like, that's how my brain works.

And maybe that's a flaw of mine. I don't know. But at the time, it looked like Oklahoma was going to lose the game. And at the time, I thought your entire future was wrapped up into this kid, Jackson Arnold, that you guys really loved for the last two years, and you gave him four starts. He turned the ball over a lot, and you replaced him for somebody who wasn't the future of the program, only to end up losing.

Now, that didn't happen, but I'm just telling you what happened. And Michael Hawkins may be that quarterback still. Yeah, and he might turn out to be the best sooner since Kyler Murray. I don't know what's going to happen. He's very young. It was his first start. And I think that I worded the tweet too strongly because I was in the heat of the moment,

and I probably shouldn't have said can't throw. That's not fair. Well, you just need to understand that just because a guy was a five-star doesn't mean he's better. Five stars sometimes don't pan out. Well, the reason why I think he was better isn't because he was rated five stars. It was because of everything we heard about this kid

for the last two years from people at Oklahoma. Like, this isn't just me just conflating, like, oh, Jackson Arnold's good because he was ranked high. This is everything that Oklahoma's program has done has set them up for this moment. And I feel like whether it turns out to be the right move or the wrong move, that yanking the cord on the person that you were building your program around four starts into his career is a little bit drastic. And I don't know if that's a weird thing to say, but it feels odd to me. Okay. And I know he was turning the ball over and I know that they lost the Tennessee

game in large part because of those turnovers but like you gotta you gotta stop saying that it's just me thinking he's a five star and is better like it's but that's what you're doing it's from it's not just the five star thing it is why you're thinking it i know it is i know you know andy but like you know how oklahoma has propped this kid up of course they they thought people there isn't a single person that wasn't thinking that this guy was going to be a stuff people were picking this kid to be the preseason Heisman this year like come on like we're not just being like oh Ari likes recruiting he's a five-star prospect that's the only reason why he thinks he's good my whole thought process about Jackson Ardell was

that he was the future of Oklahoma's program right it. But as I say, I will always say, you know, Ari, we've never printed any merch from this show. I think it's high time we started. We do. Like, the first T-shirt we print needs to be me saying there's always another quarterback. Stop crying there's always another quarterback. Because there is.

So before we move on because i we need to move on to this notre dame game and talk about where the irish fit in in this puzzle but one more thing because i mentioned i cruised the the auburn live message boards and i saw a lot of discourse that reminded me of florida fans talking about billyier this time last year. That's not me predicting that Hugh Freeze will end like Billy Napier will. But what it is, is tell it. I will give some advice to the Auburn folks because I understand the Auburn people do not want another Brian Harsin situation. They don't want to fire a coach in year two.

They don't want to start over. They don't want any of that. And you don't need to think about that right now. You have time. Watch the way this team finishes because they're not non-competitive. They're being competitive in all these games. They're not going to be blown off the field here. And then watch how he finishes the recruiting class. the thing that that everybody should have seen as a red flag and i'll be the first to admit i was not one who noticed this as a giant red flag either the thing about billy napier was his recruiting class falling apart through last season hugh freeze actually had something to do with that. He flipped some of those guys.

And like if Hugh Freeze is recruiting class, which is really good right now, if that falls apart by signing day, then you got a problem. If Auburn starts playing less competitively and less competitively or just keeps losing in just heartbreaking fashion every single time, maybe. But if this team keeps playing the way it is and like Peyton Thornton's numbers were unbelievable today if this team keeps playing the way it has been it's gonna win some of these games so I think you're gonna be okay but I just say just be a little patient now keep an eye on things if it if it really starts to fall apart on the field watch the recruiting class and see what happens.

But I don't think you have to work. You don't have to do anything now. I'm just saying the discourse is really similar. We saw how that other story is going to end. Just keep an eye on things. Well, here's the last thing I want to say about Auburn. Cause we,

I haven't said anything about Auburn. So like for me, when it comes to fans, the thing that I think is interesting and I do this like it's so I don't know if you have these things in your marriage Andy but in my marriage like my wife gets mad at me for the same things all the time that are inherently just part of my personality right like I am who I am but the things that I do in certain moments continually trigger her over and over again. And I had to like talk to her and be like, Hey, listen,

I am who I am. These are certain things that I just do accept them or just keep getting mad. And like, the reason why I bring that up is because like with Auburn, our notion was that this team was going to continually lose because they have quarterbacks who turn the ball over a ton. And you can't keep getting mad at Hugh Freeze every single week because his quarterback stinks because it is what it is, and that's the circumstance that they're in. The thing that's different about this game, though, Andy,

is that they didn't – I mean, I guess the pick six did cost them the game at the end, right? But I don't think that Peyton Thorne played losing football for four. There were other decisions that cost them the game. So if you're upset with Hugh Freeze, it's not just for the same thing. It'd be crazy if you just kept getting mad about the quarterbacks every week because that is what it is, and you can't change that, and Peyton Thorne isn't going to turn into Joe Montana by the end of the year.

The thing that's frustrating about this game, outside of the pick six, is that Auburn had opportunities to stock this game away, and there were other things that you could nitpick that like Hugh Freeze might have fallen short on that were in his power whereas the output of output of the quarterback or the pick six were out of his power so like you know you can't keep getting mad at him for the same thing every week but this did not feel like the same thing as the first few losses that kind of started this discussion. All right, let us move on to South Bend, where Louisville scores first against Notre Dame and then just spots the Irish 14 points. And suddenly

it's 21-7 and Louisville couldn't come back. Yeah, I mean, like, listen, does this game change the entire tenor of the notre dame playoff discussion like they are still susceptible to losing to anybody but like with those green jerseys out there uh they could have lost to louisville but they didn't and this was one of the biggest road blocks on their schedule to getting to 10 or 11 wins so like i don't know uh you know pete samson of the athletic who covers notre dame for them them told me it's pretty murky out there. You know what I mean?

Like, the clouds are pretty dark in South Bend, and he's feeling that the fans are questioning their coach in a way that they hadn't been questioning him in the previous two years. And I'm wondering, not just from, you know, a win in advance type scenario but like does this win change the way that we view Notre Dame this year and did like Marcus Freeman earn back some goodwill with the people who are criticizing him it doesn't to me because Louisville played so

sloppily in the first half and if they make one less mistake we may be talking about an overtime game or we may be talking about a Louisvilleville win so i don't think notre dame particularly played great and i also don't know that it's gonna be that easy the rest of the way especially if you've been watching any navy or army games right like navy they're both undefeated right yes and navy and well navy and army could be a problem. You got Navy October 26. You got Army November 23rd, and obviously you got USC. We'll talk about USC in a little bit, but that's another very difficult game. I don't think Notre Dame's out of the woods, but this certainly helps a lot

because I do think like I think Louisville will play cleaner games this year against good teams and beat them. I don't think Louisville will play cleaner games this year against good teams and beat them. I don't think Louisville's done this season. I don't think we've said they lost Notre Dame, that's it, their season's over. This is still a team that I think can compete in the ACC. Yeah. I think that a lot of people left Notre Dame for dead, and I think that that was a rational thought because

we're trained to thinking that the NIU type situation is a season ruiner. But Notre Dame beat A&M, a team that beat Arkansas on Saturday on the road, and now beat the second or third toughest team on its schedule.

And I'm starting to wonder if maybe I wasn't nuts just to not sell all of my Notre Dame stock going into the second half of the season. There's still a talented roster and a manageable schedule. It's perfectly logical to feel that way.

I don't know where they're going to end up. I have to write after we're done here. But in terms of just thinking you were out on notre dame but now you're getting sucked back in a little bit like i think that we're talking about a team here that's probably going to jump up to the fringe you know 10 12 spot in the polls and have very very nice little runway here of games that they should probably win and when november comes around if they don't lose between now and then, like they're going to be right back in the middle of this discussion.

And, you know, they're going to be able to advance from that NIU thing. So, like, you know, I don't know if you think that the Louisville mistakes that were made in the first half are, you know, degrade the win by any stretch of the imagination. But I don't view football that way. I think that, you know,grade the win by any stretch of the imagination but i don't view football that way i think that you know mistakes are are forced sometimes or that if the other team doesn't degrade the win but yeah like it wasn't a dominant win it was a good win yeah no i think it was about as good of a win as it could have they're just gonna roll through the rest of their schedule right but i think that what it says is that this notre dame team though flawed

should probably be favored on the rest of their games. We'll see about USC at the end of the year. Are you favoring them against USC? I think it's going to be a really good game. I don't know that I would. Let's talk USC right now because USC fell behind, speaking of making a lot of mistakes. USC made a ton of mistakes in the first half, fell behind to Wisconsin and then had a great second half and looked kind of

like the team we thought they might be. Yeah. I think this game kind of like score wise after that pick six late turned out exactly the way that we thought it would when we were predicting the show earlier in the week, but that is just not how it went yet there. That's not how it went at all. You know, they.

I don't know, man, I have I'm having a really hard time like with USC and like how to view them in the context of the rest of the sport. Like, do you think that USC just had a tough game against Michigan and is actually legitimately one of the top 10 teams in the country. I mean, beating Wisconsin in dominant fashion, despite the fact that they were messing around for three quarters. Does that change your viewpoint? What's your U.S.

Explain USC to me and how I should view them. I think USC is a pretty good team. I don't know if they're a great team. I think they could lose to another good. But Penn State should beat USC. I would be very surprised if USC beats Penn state, even though that game is at USC. So,

and that's, you know, we look at Penn state as a team that is probably on the road in the first round of the playoff, maybe. So if you can't beat them, you're probably not making the playoff. I mean, Penn state's probably number seven going into next week so like uh and i thought they did a really good job in a boring

yet effective game against illinois on saturday um but i just don't know how we go from like well do you think they could beat usc to then saying usc is probably just going to lose to penn state at home like i think that like penn state and State and Notre Dame and USC are probably all pretty similar in the pantheon of where teams stack up nationally. And probably one of the three is going to make the playoff. Yeah, and two play each other. Or they all play each other, right? Yeah, so USC plays Penn State and Notre Dame plays USC.

So we're going to see that. But I kind of view Notre Dame in the same light as USC for better or worse. Like I think that they're a pretty good team, but I think that they're a pretty good team that plays a much easier schedule than the other two that are in that conversation. Like I think they're all kind of in the same family. But Notre Dame doesn't have to face USC until the season finale where a lot of things can change and should be able to win the games on their schedule. So I don't know. I'm just not going to let Notre Dame slip through my cold, dead hands

until it's all over with. I think that they still have the players and the circumstances to make the playoff, which is part of the reason why I picked them to get there before the season in the first place. All right, Ari. The people in the chat wanting us to get to this game, so I think it's time to go to the Big 12. Are you ready to talk about 2-0 in the Big 12, Colorado, which went into Orlando and housed UCF. Bounce housed UCF. Looked

great. Colorado's defensive ends were awesome playing as that read option made UCS offense look very pedestrian. And then of course, Colorado's offense. This is what I was saying. We picked the game. I don't think us, the UCF can stop them.

That's why 13 and a half points was way too many. That's why I took Colorado, but I did not think Colorado would beat them like this colorado was dominant yeah i mean like listen we like if you follow the dnvr account like that guy is just holding receipts and is quiet when they lose but is really loud when they win like we were wrong about kj jefferson in this game where i was wrong saying that he was put on earth to face. I said the same thing. Yeah.

Like I can't stand those people, but like, it just like blows my mind that they exist, but here we are. So in the context of a 10 minute conversation, I think we both were, this is a lot of points. I do think that people like Daryl in the chat,

just like, these are like the color, the Dion fans, not the Coloradoado fans the dion fans who don't actually understand football or anything two haters that were saying ucf gonna blow them out hating asses i picked colorado dummy we we did we both oh we both like oh okay yeah yeah we both said there's no way they're getting blown out. Yeah.

And it's just like, but this is the byproduct of people that post our conversations on Twitter because nobody knows what they're mad about. They just are just mad. So like that said, like. This was all, like all of these criticisms were below the video when On3Video posted it. In the video, we picked Colorado. Yeah. Like, I don't even know if people like consume content it's just what did uh what did people i think that's probably what it is what did fan site guy post on his twitter to get a bunch of likes while the dion thing is giving him attention and then in two years when it's not there anymore then we'll we'll assess where he's at. But I am willing to say that I thought that UCF would do a very good job

of pounding the ball against this Colorado team based on what we've seen from this Colorado team in terms of their line play. I thought that was a pretty rational thing to think, and it turned out to be wrong. So when you're wrong, you have to own it, and I was wrong about that. And Colorado beating UCF 48-21 in a game where they were 14-point underdogs, it turned out to be wrong, right? So when you're wrong, you have to own it, and I was wrong about that. And Colorado beating UCF 48-21 in a game where they were 14-point underdogs is a super impressive win.

They're 2-0 in the Big 12. And if you're going to criticize Deion Sanders for the way that he builds his program and thinking that it could be better, you also have to give them flowers when they exceed expectations, and I think they've done that in this game. So I don't know if this changes your viewpoint of like what Colorado is expected to do in the big 12. They're going to be playing a,

I think they have an open week and they play Kansas state. Yeah, here we are Kansas state in two weeks. Yeah. That's going to be a pretty revelatory game because Kansas state, you know, seems like they broke out of their funk. We'll learn more about them.

Arizona. If Colorado even splits those you're talking about a potential big 12 contender in colorado like yeah if they win them both they're absolutely one but if they if they split those they're a potential big 12 championship game participant so like i i i said they'd make a bowl game this year. I feel very good about that. They'd only have to win two more games to do that, but they've got Kansas state,

Arizona and Utah still left on the schedule. I mean, we'll see how they do against Kansas state. Kansas state had a get right game against Oklahoma state, but Kansas state got blown out by BYU. I think the big 12 is going to be exactly what we said it was going to be. It's going to be an absolute bloodbath there toward the end. And if Colorado plays the way they played in Orlando against these other teams that

we're talking about that are potential Big 12 contenders, Colorado can beat them, can beat them all. Well, the thing that Colorado possesses that a lot of teams don't, I mean, some teams in the Big 12 don't, but they do have Travis Hunter on their team. And I think that you could make the case, and we will repeatedly, that Travis Hunter is the best player in college football. And when you have the best player in college football on your team and he's playing with a quarterback that many think is going to get drafted

in the first round of the NFL draft, you have a one-two combination there that keeps you in football games, especially considering the fact that that receiver also plays corner. So like, I don't know if Colorado is going to be facing teams that are able to pound them. I don't know if this changed your mind about their line play and how that makes you view how they stack up against other teams, but like, do you feel better about the proposition of Colorado taking a week off getting healthy and then you know stopping Avery Johnson and DJ Giddens from running the ball down their throat like is that like or are we past that like they don't have line play like are we past that well I I've said all along I thought Dion liked their defensive line

I think you know you go back to the games they've played against design runs, they've been very good. Now, if your quarterback can run a little bit, that's where they've had... If your quarterback can scramble a little bit, so Avery Johnson would fall into that bucket. But look, if they play the way they've been and if they were running the ball so well today... Now, we've said we don't know how good UCF's defense is, but I think maybe they're evolving as an offense and they can run the ball better.

And if you can run the ball, it takes a lot of the heat off Shador. It gives him more time to throw when he does throw. So I'm very excited to watch Colorado, Kansas State. I think that's going to be a fun game. Let's talk about the Wildcats because they were last seen very late last Saturday night getting destroyed in Provo. And they come back and just pound on Oklahoma State. Now, Oklahoma State had some chances.

They got inside the 30-yard line quite a few times in the first half and just couldn't cash all those in. But I thought Avery Johnson had a great bounce back game after a really bad game against BYU. And this team looked, again, like a team that can compete for the Big 12 title, but now they have that loss to BYU. So let me ask you this about Oklahoma State, though, because I just said I think the Big 12 is going to be a bloodbath. And Oklahoma State has lost to Utah and lost to Kansas State now. Are they one loss away from just being out completely?

Like how many conference wins in a lot? Like what is your conference record going to have to be to be in the Big 12 championship game? Well, here's the other thing, too, that you have to consider, that BYU is actually pretty good. BYU looked great. Yep. Won again at Baylor.

And they were underdogs today and won that one. So they think that they are a pretty tough team. But the thing is that what individual result even surprises you in the Big 12 anymore? I mean, a team losing to Iowa State, I think, is undefeated too, right? So, I mean, there are a lot of teams in there that can win games on Saturday against pretty good teams. So I don't know what the, I think that a, I think that the big 12 championship game could potentially feature a team with two or three big 12 losses in it. I think, I think two,

absolutely. The question is, can a three loss team get in there? That's, I don't know the question because I do think it's like, we just like, I was just thinking about that. The Colorado conversation we're just having. And like, we should be excited about colorado they're four and one

they're two and oh in the uh in the big 12 but it's like if colorado was losing to cincinnati in the fourth quarter in three weeks that wouldn't be like oh my god i cannot believe that's happening it wouldn't even register yeah so like you know you're on upset alert or you're on grab ass loss alert every single week. And this isn't just a Colorado thing. It's everybody. Like it's every team is going to be in these games. Well, like Oklahoma State is now 0-2 in the Big 12, but you wouldn't be shocked if they beat anybody in the Big 12. No, absolutely.

And they're probably not going to be more than a touchdown underdog against anybody that they face for the rest of the year i mean look west virginia i mean they they theoretically could win the rest of those games i mean theoretically right i mean i don't know what what game on there do you feel like they can't win there's not a single they can win them all the question is yeah will will like at byu what looks like the toughest one, given what we've seen. At Colorado, it might be the tougher one, depending on how this goes. But yeah, I just can't wait to see this shake out. I really can't. In the chat, the Travis Hunter Heisman debate is going on.

Guys, we are two Heisman voters. Now, granted, we are not the Heisman voters who don't actually cover the sport. We actually do cover the sport. So we're kind of a smaller group than the bulk of the voters. But we're telling you, we think Travis Hunter is the best player in the country. Like, I loved what Jalen Milrow did tonight. It does not top what Travis Hunter has done week to week this season. I mean,

if I was casting a vote at a touchdown cash in an interception today, like ain't nobody else in the country had that. If I was, if I was casting a vote for the Heisman today, it would be for Travis Hunter. Yeah. A hundred percent. I cannot believe like every time I watch him, I cannot believe, like, every time I watch him,

I cannot believe he's doing this. I mean, I wrote to Paul on three this week about how I think he should win the Heisman, and the thing wasn't even as much about Travis Hunter as it is about just, like, a frustration on the lack of imagination and ability for people who vote for the award to vote for it properly. And, like, you and I fundamentally disagree on how to vote for it,

but I at least feel like we both put thought into how it should go. And like, I think that thought extends past how good is the team that this person's on and do they play quarterback? Like, it's like, there has to be more analysis put into it. And it's not Travis Hunter's fault.

Let's say, let's say Colorado goes eight and four. Their offensive line, because the reason they lost against Nebraska was they couldn't block them. Let's say they have some games where they can't block that well. How is that Travis Hunter's fault? What's he supposed to do about that? You're just going to give the award to Jalen Milrow because Nick Saban and Kalen DeBoer recruited better players around him. Like that has nothing to do with whether he's the most outstanding player. And also too, if you paid any attention to Travis Hunter's story as a recruit

and who he was, we're talking about a player from Georgia who was the number one player in the country and literally could have gone anywhere before he made this big flip to Jackson State that shocked the world on National Signing Day he was committed to Florida State during a time in which it wasn't cool to be committed to Florida State um like this is a person that could have taken the layup route been in year three at Georgia or Alabama right now been the most sensational player in college football probably the leader for the heisman maybe in a position to um win a national championship and instead he knew that no matter where he went by trusting in his talent that he would have an impact on the program he was at and the sport and i know that deon wait wait stop saying nice things about colorado because we got real business in the chat

who clearly doesn't understand y''all was trolling CU. What y'all got to say now? Saying we was going to lose by 14. Y'all bogus. We picked Colorado. Dumbass. We picked Colorado. But this is why.

How hard is this? This is why the Twitter snippets bother me. It's like, I know it shouldn't get to me, but it's like, fan site dude clips eight seconds out of 10-minute video, post it to internet. People who root for Colorado see, tweet, don't know anything about what the conversation was about and get angry.

Don't pick them to cover the game spread, not the game, bro. Yeah, you just said we picked them to lose by 14. We did not. we both said that's idiotic why are they giving them so many points hey andy can i finish my nice thoughts about colorado uh about travis hold on okay i'm gonna think about it yes because travis hunter deserves all the nice thoughts yeah well the thing that I'll say is the balls that this guy had to have to not do the layup thing, go to Georgia, Alabama

and reap the benefits of that, going to the places that he went to, Jackson State to do something different, following Dion to Colorado and still having the impact on the sport that he has and the team that he does, not to mention being the best overall player in the country. I think that's the literal definition of how the Heisman should be voted for look he's the best player there isn't

anybody doing what he can do but doesn't the story move you too like doesn't it like it moves me story i just care about which player would i pick if i were starting a team yeah it's most outstanding player it's not most outstanding story i know most outstanding player while having the story that would like it embody like the type of person that like would exemplify the award too like it's like this person is impacting college football at colorado there's not a lot of people that could have done that yeah and he impacted at jackson state and it's just crazy all right we do have to we got spto and jeff showalter in the chat saying we have to talk indiana now let us at least briefly praise coach sigs and the hoosiers who are now still undefeated still rolling they beat maryland

is it possible they're nine and oh when they play michigan is that possible i mean i guess beating nebraska is going to be difficult right like i don't know they have them at home but they're going to possible no not impossible they're going to northwestern next week which i think is probably going to be a win then they're hosting nebraska two weeks later than washington michigan state there isn't a single one of their next four opponents that they couldn't beat it's it's amazing uh the the maple missile i believe is what we're calling Curtis Rourke now, which is great. I'm all for that. Also, too, if you were a degenerate gambler who watched a ton of match-in because it was the only games on on Tuesday and Wednesday night,

you knew this kid could sling it. This isn't like a revelation. He's a really good football player. Let's stay in the Big Ten. We've got to talk Illinois, Penn State and Michigan, Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois, Penn state took Penn state a while to get going. It was seven, seven for a long time in this game. But once Penn state, it was really when they, they had Illinois had the ball in the red zone, deep in the red zone and Penn state forced them to go backward. They miss a field goal. That's where it all fell apart for Illinois,

and then Penn State just took over. I still like Penn State a lot. This doesn't make me think, oh, they struggle. I think Illinois is pretty good. I still like Penn State a lot. I think it was a good win against a good team. A good win against a good team. We're going to see more from Penn State because I

do think that like the context for them is kind of confusing uh because they opened the season with such a resounding win on the road at West Virginia and then they almost lose to Bowling Green the following week at home uh but it's been a 4-0 start and beating Illinois even though I think that the 17 or 18 points that uh you points that they were giving Illinois was too many. I mean, we talked about that during the week. They never were in danger of losing, and I don't even think Illinois' offense hit 220 yards in this game. Yeah. I want to see Penn State against USC because I want to see them get dragged into a game where the opposing teams score a bunch of points.

Yeah, because I don't think USC's defense is going to be as good as Illinois defense. And I think Penn State is sort of the conversation we had after Tennessee, Oklahoma last week where we were saying, can you win in multiple ways? And so, like, I need to see Penn state win in a way that's not this slog because if they have to beat ohio state or oregon down the road or if they make the playoff and they have to play an alabama or a tennessee or georgia whoever it is like you got to be able to win in multiple ways it can't only be like this so that's why i'm really fascinated to see that usc game i don't you know we're gonna know who they are is gonna offer much of a challenge but we're gonna know who they are definitively in five weeks because they've got a three game stretch coming up um as you just saw

on the screen there with usc wisconsin and ohio state so uh once we get through those three games we're gonna know but i don't know that this isn't a team that you have to rank in the top seven because that's what I'm doing. Who else are you going to put in there at this point? We're already getting to the point in the season where it's like... That defense should give them a chance against an Ohio State. It should. Let's go to Minnesota-Michigan. We said Michigan's really lucky that this is who they drew because it's a team they could beat just running the ball

the way they beat USC last week. Kind of had to do it that way. Colston Loveland came back. He caught four passes, but Alex Orji still didn't throw for 100 yards. They took a big lead, and then Minnesota scored three touchdowns in the fourth quarter and made this close. So what do you think now about Michigan, Ari? Because it didn't look like they evolved much,

but they're at Washington next week. That's a game they can win. Probably doing it this way because their defense is so good. But then they're at Illinois. They get a week off in between those games, but am I super confident that they could go in Champaign and go into Champaign and win I am not I think that this just reiterated what we said earlier in the week which is that this team is going to be susceptible to losing

to everybody on their schedule like I I don't know that if you have a situation where you can't throw for the 100 yards that you should feel ultra confident that you're going to win every game. It's like, it's kind of the same thing of to a certain extent, maybe not as drastic, but last year, you know, the tight rope that Iowa had to walk to get where they were going.

Right. Like, it's like there was no margin for error because your offense can't score. And I just don't know how long Michigan can keep running it so effectively that they can get to 27 points without being able to throw the ball. So I don't know how long Michigan can keep running it so effectively that they can get to 27 points without being able to throw the ball so I don't know I I think that like we have to get to a point where orgy can throw the ball for more than 100 yards in a game and maybe he will get there he hasn't started a ton obviously and was late to the party this year but like I'm not confident that

they're going to go on the road and beat Washington next week. I'm not confident they're going to beat Illinois the following week. I'm not even confident they're going to beat Michigan State. If you play a team that can play good defense and slow it down and pop a few passes on you, you're in a battle. And I don't know if I watched it too quickly, but Minnesota, I think, showed us a wrinkle, which was run the hurry up tire out there. A defensive lineman, don't let them sub and you can run on these guys.

So, uh, I think that they are probably an eight win team, but it would not surprise me if it went off the rails because it's just so hard to watch offense for them. Yeah, they, they, they've got to evolve a little bit as the season goes on. Garrett in the chat is going to talk through the Ole Miss loss. So if you want the extended version of that talk, we've got a video on the On3Sports YouTube channel that you did right after the game, 20 minutes, all on Kentucky beating Ole Miss and what that means for the Wildcats and what it means for the Rebels.

It's also in the podcast feed if you want to listen to it and don't want to have to look at us. But we should talk about it a little bit here in the context of everything else we saw. So we keep saying Ole Miss has an easy schedule, Ari. Well, today wasn't easy. They lost. This makes me look at other games on Ole Miss' schedule and say, hmm, you know, that at South Carolina. South Carolina destroyed Kentucky.

Now, I think that may have been an outlier game because we've seen Kentucky play Georgia tough and we've seen them beat Ole Miss. But South Carolina did beat Kentucky and beat them badly in Lexington. So if Lenora Sellers is playing in that game, that's a difficult game for Ole Miss. Obviously, at LSU will be a difficult game.

We'll see what Oklahoma looks like. At Arkansas is not going to be easy. And then, of course, there's Georgia. So do you look at Ole Miss differently now? And where do you think they fall in the grand scheme? So it's really hard to drop them out of the playoff discussion because their schedule is favorable and they still have a lot of really good players, but I am kind of surprised to see that the team that they assembled isn't just

automatic 30 points, no matter who they're playing. Like they, they move the ball pretty well. And, you know and Trey Harris is a dog and they've got Juice Wells. There's a lot of things to like about this team. But they invested

so much into building a roster that could potentially win the SEC. And then you watch the Georgia-Alabama game on Saturday night, six hours after that game ended or three hours, whatever it was. And it doesn't even look like they're playing the same sport. And I know that Ole Miss has a group of fans that are just dying to be held

in the same regard as the big dogs of the sport, and they felt like they had earned it with the roster they assembled in the offseason. And the unfortunate reality is that despite the fact that they have these players on their team, that they don't really match up with those teams in terms of playing at the level that you know it takes to play to win a championship so like i i don't know what the problem is when you have these players you're supposed to be in that position but like i just don't understand why this team looks so similarly to the team that last year when they

returned everybody and then added all these great pieces. Yeah, this should have looked more like Alabama and Georgia. Now, look, Georgia struggled against Kentucky too, so let's not take that away from Kentucky. But the question is if Ole Miss, well, when Ole Miss has to play Georgia, if Ole Miss were to get to a game where it got to play Texas or Alabama or someone like that, is it going to look like it's playing the same sport? Because that was the problem last year when Ole Miss went to Athens for two series they did, and then the rest of the game they didn't. So, yeah, I need to see it from them. I got to do bracketology.

I haven't written it yet, but I'm going to drop them out for now because they haven't beaten anybody. Like you got to, you got to win some quality games and they'll have a chance to do that. You know, the thing is the schedule isn't brutal, isn't impossible, but at South Carolina, at LSU against Oklahoma, those are good teams.

Like if you can beat them, great. Then we can have this conversation. And then Kentucky, you know, they've, they've already got two conference losses. So them being able to beat Ole Miss says they can beat everybody else on their schedule. Then be able to hang with Georgia. They did says they can beat everybody else in their schedule, but they also had the South Carolina game. So we don't know kind of what we're going to get from them we got some other games we need to talk to again if you want a more extended discussion of kentucky and old miss check the on three sports youtube page want to hear what me talk about mark stoops uh putting his manhood on the table and going for it on fourth and uh five i believe

from inside his own 30 with the game on the line. More than seven. Like his own 22, I think. From his own 22-yard line late in the fourth quarter with timeouts. Completely, utterly throwing Andy's whole do what the math says argument in the trash. Please go watch that YouTube video because I was pretty fired up watching Mark Stoops be aggressive.

Maybe he listened to you, Ari. Maybe he watched you rip him after the Georgia game and said, you know what? I'm going to make Ari happy. He made me happy. And look what happened. They beat a top 10 team on the road. And the funniest thing about going forward on fourth and seven from your own 22 in the fourth quarter, despite having timeouts and what the math will tell you to do like 350 to go there was time they also threw the ball put it

on the table situation 50 yards downfield and what is essentially a 50 50 ball so what does that do to your math like there's a lot of math problems there you can go try to solve the equation there but congratulations to mark stoopes go for that There's no math anywhere that says go for that. And it's all right. Yeah, great game. All right. Ari, let's talk about a game that had to do with the story that dominated the end of the week.

It was probably not a game still that a lot of people watched. And I watched about half of it because I knew that one team was never going to be competitive in it. But that is the Fresno State UNLV game. So we talked about Matthew Sluka, the UNLV starting quarterback, leaving UNLV over an NIL dispute. And we said on the show, remember I said this could be a case where he wasn't that much better than Hodge Malik Williams, the guy who was backing him up. And so when he went to them after they

won some games and beat two big 12 teams and tried to get the money he thought he was promised, and they were like, eh, you can go because this other dude we think is probably just about as good well they won 59 to 14 and it was a three-phase win you and all these defense was awesome their special teams was great they blocked I believe they blocked a punt returned it for a touchdown I think they had a pick six and then Haj Malik Williams was incredibly efficient in this game so I his now look the last games we saw the last time we saw Sluka was against Kansas. He was not throwing the ball particularly well. We don't know where Fresno state fits into that, but Fresno state had only lost to Michigan. They'd beaten everybody

else. They'd played Hodge Blake Williams went 13 of 16 for 182 yards passing and three TDs. It was a very efficient day over 10 yards per attempt. He also ran 12 times for 119 yards in a TD. They may have just said, you know what, Sluka Doncic, we think our former Campbell Campbell's better. So did you see the reports that the Circa or executives at Circa got together and thought about getting the $100,000 scraped together for Sluka to stay to try to keep the morale high in Las Vegas for this UNLV Rebels run? I did.

If you're Hajj, are you leveraging this game already? Do you think he even left the stadium? I think somebody's smart enough to make sure Hajj is getting a deal right now. Yeah, this team is obviously very good and is in pole position at the moment for the group of five to get into the playoff. Now they still have to play Boise. Right. So like there is,

you know, games to be played, but yeah, they play Syracuse this week. Are they play Syracuse on Friday night in Vegas? But you want to talk about, Oh wow. That's going to be a great appetizer. Do you want to talk about oh wow that's going to be a great appetizer um

do you want to talk about leverage leverage than hasmalik williams right now and like you also have like really really rich millionaires who a hundred thousand dollars is just a hand of blackjack to them like i think that he could get paid if he leveraged this the right way and did it did it in a different way maybe craig in the chat says ricky white who's their star receiver who also had a great game today uh maybe because the person throwing in the ball was better at throwing the ball uh ricky white said give the hundred thousand dollars to the o-line today yeah spto syracuse unlv makes plan to watch it yes as appetizers go that's a pretty great one now i will say ari we haven't got a chance to talk about it yet because we didn't do an emergency show

show last night yeah we have to talk about it but the appetizer that happened in miami miami virginia tech what a game. All right. Do you want to go first about what you thought about the ending, or do you want me to say it? Because we're in the trust tree here. Okay. What I thought about the ending? Yeah.

I thought that the ending was a shit show, but they arrived at the right call. I would agree with that. So it's interesting because I have a tweet that I didn't take down where they finally show the one angle where you can actually see the ball. And it becomes very apparent that the Virginia Tech player caught the ball, but the catch did not survive the ground, which is a term we hear more in the NFL. But as soon as he hits the ground, ball pops up. A Miami player winds up with it.

And I said, that's an interception, not paying attention to the fact that that Miami player was out of bounds when he touched the ball, which makes it an incompletion, not an interception, but it was an incompletion because the catch did not survive the ground, but it looked awful because I don't know. Like, I feel like you could see that on the,

on that one angle, but I was frustrated because they wouldn't show a real time. Look at that angle because I wanted to see it in real time because maybe I would have thought he caught the ball. And so Miami player punched it out afterward like i would have liked to seen both now i realized the the officials who were reviewing that the play probably did see the real-time version and the slowed down version but i would have liked to seen that because i mean i it wasn't a great view well and i understand why everybody's mad people are taking exception to Andy. It's that the call was a touchdown on the field. Now, I don't know how they arrived at that, but the person on the field, the ref there called it a touchdown. And in the protocol of what this

is supposed to be doing is you're supposed to be analyzing these camera angles and these videos to make a call based on irrefutable evidence that something occurred. And I don't know if it was because I was in a sushi restaurant nine beers deep with my family. That's why we didn't have an emergency show. Yeah, I was having, I'm sorry for taking for granted that, you know, we might not get grandmas on a Friday night. But Andy, did you see irrefutable evidence in that Zapruder film of whatever? Was my phone just having bad service? Or did it look like the shot was being filmed on a Kodak? That's the problem.

That's exactly the problem. And I don't understand why it was called a touchdown on the field because they didn't immediately call it a touchdown. They had to talk about it. It kind of looks like, and look, I know it's a difficult job. And especially in that situation, it's incredibly difficult. I kind of wonder if they got together and like, what'd you see? I don't know. What'd you see? I and were like, what'd you see? I don't know. What'd you see? I don't know.

What'd you see? I don't know. What do we do here? We got to call something. Yeah. Did you see anything on the film that you thought was irrefutable? I thought it didn't survive the ground. I thought it felt, it looked like to me,

the ball popped out as he hit the ground. That's why I felt like it was but i think that's what happened he saw the same thing but i don't know if it's irrefutable like if it would have been called an incompletion on the field and then they would have arrived at that i don't know if that there would be this much outrage i don't know and people call it a touchdown and reverse it. Yeah. The problem is the undefeated team in the conference won,

and so people are saying it's rigged because they want to have an undefeated team. Now, guys, you understand the ACC champs making the playoff regardless of whether they're undefeated or not.

Now, you might get a second team in if you have undefeated teams or one lost teams so i get that i don't think it's rigged i don't think they did that on purpose i just think it was like you said a shit show at the end i don't think that's probably the best way to describe it you just have to lock in on the word irrefutable. And what you think you saw or what it looks like is not by definition irrefutable. So like that's that's the thing. They reversed a call for a game winning touchdown on national television.

Yes. And it was shocking to me when they did it because I was I just assumed they'd say the call stands and that would be that. I just remember like gasping audibly my wife is asleep in bed and I just it was unbelievable do you want to have a two-minute Miami discussion just in terms of yeah let's do that you know this is a team that we thought was really really good and whether or not you don't think they're really really good anymore or that you're questioning that oh i am definitely questioning it because they should have been able like so virginia tech has lost to vanderbilt and rutgers which is not great they should not be able to push miami if miami is going to be the team we think it's gonna you know that we were thinking it was they shouldn't be able to push Miami like this this tells me that there are other teams on

Miami schedule that can push them and I realize there's no there's no Clemson there but they do have to go to Louisville there's Cal like Miami at Cal next week is the game day game. The way Cal plays defense now, Cam Ward is awesome and was awesome in this game. But maybe Cal can slow him down a little bit. We'll find out. You want to talk about that like crazy psychopathic chest pass we got there late in the game. No is awesome. The Restrepo catch from his butt. And then the chest pass. I mean, come on. Those were amazing. Yeah, I mean, come on. Those were amazing. Yeah, I mean, the fact that Miami doesn't have Clemson on their schedule,

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All right. Ari, Arizona's up 16-3 on Utah. Yeah. As the third quarter is ending. We said this last week. We said the Big 12 is just going to be this all the time. Now, Utah's moving the ball. We're probably going to be signing off before this ends.

But I'm telling you, the Big 12 is going to be awesome. Utah just turned it over, by the way. Just so you know, as we get out of here. Spoilers. Spoilers, Ari. Yes, they did. All right. I do want to talk about a couple more games.

A game I didn't think we'd be talking about but i feel like we need to so north carolina duke north carolina goes up i believe 21 or 20 to 7 on duke and ends up losing 21 20 huge win for manny diaz and company by the way, Duke's undefeated. Yes. They got my guy. Pretty good job so far by Manny Diaz. I think this might be worse than giving up 70 to James Madison last week for Mack Brown. You think? Because it's Duke. Yeah.

I mean, does the rivalry carry over to football the same way? Not the same way, but it is a rivalry. And like you had this in hand. It's the way they lost it. It is Duke and the way they lost it combined that make this so bad. And there's a you're not like we don't need to be the people who try to read body language off the still image but the shot of of bubba cunningham the athletic greater shaking hands with mac brown as he leaves the field where they're both kind of horizontal with one another and not looking at each other but they're just shaking hands like that doesn't

look good yeah um they were up 20 nothing right at some at one point i think uh at least three scores i believe so yeah but yeah i don't know that this is worse than giving up 70 to James Madison just because of just how shocking that is. And everybody on Earth was laughing about it. But I just feel like North Carolina's program is just in a downward spiral right now. And I don't know how to say it any nicer than that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be curious to see where this goes going forward because you had Mack Brown in the locker room

after the James Madison game saying, if I'm the problem, I'll just go. And the team's like, no, no, no, stay. We want you to stay, coach. But the question now is, where is bubba cunningham where's his head at on this and obviously you don't have to do anything now but it doesn't look good one more two more one will hit very quickly and then one maybe not as quickly nebraska purdue nebraska had a get-right game. Congratulations, Nebraska.

This game was 0-0 at halftime. I posted the Frank Beamer gif. But Nebraska wins 28-10. They get it figured out in the second half. Good for you, Nebraska. You're going to make a bowl game. It's going to happen for you. The Illinois game was the outlier.

You're going to make a bowl game. You're going to make a bowl game. You're going to make a bowl game. Yeah, you got to believe it. You got to manifest it. Quit manifesting the outlier. You're going to make a bowl game. You're going to make a bowl game. You're going to make a bowl game. Yeah, you got to believe it. You got to manifest it. Quit manifesting the negative stuff. Manifest the positive stuff. Yeah, yeah.

They needed that after the way they lost against Illinois to say, look, it's just we're not that team anymore. That's not going to be us anymore. So, oh, I said two more games. I meant three. So we've talked Nebraska-Purdue. We have to talk SMU-Florida State. SMU beat the living crap out of Florida State.

Florida State is just bad. Before the year started, I thought I was going to go to this game. I thought it was going to be like two undefeated teams in the ACC. SMU's first ACC matchup at home. That's going to get people all pumped up. And not only did both of these teams lose, but SMU just embarrassed the heck out of Florida State. And somebody tweeted, and I thought it was really funny.

I'm trying to remember who it was. I think it was Alex Kirshner who said, this is an unprecedented level of being down when the team that you don't want in your conference that you're trying to leave beats the crap out of you on their own field. That was a group of five team last year. So it's a bad look. It's a terrible look and good for SMU. I mean, SMU, they crushed TCU in the Iron Skillet game last week.

It got Sonny Dykes got ejected. It was so bad. He didn't want to watch the rest of it and then they destroy florida state you know smu's only loss is to byu and at the time we're like oh they can't be byu now it's like wait they almost beat byu yeah right Right, right. Oh, boy. Yeah. It's a nightmare. ACC potential? Who knows? SMU's got Louisville coming up. That'll be an interesting game.

Could it be an elimination game in the ACI? I don't know. Louisville losing to Notre Dame, the thing about that, it's not an ACC game, even though it's based on an ACC contract, so it kind of feels like an ACC loss, but it isn't for the purposes of the conference championship game, which is what matters for the purpose of the playoff right now. All right. Arkansas, Texas A&M. That's the last one we'll talk about. The Aggies pull this out. This felt like two very evenly matched teams, Ari. Mm-hmm. And Texas A&M just managed to gut out the win.

Pretty good start for Mike Elko. I know they're probably kicking themselves still over the Notre Dame game, but it's a pretty good start for Mike Elko. Yeah, I mean, 4-1. Beating Arkansas on a neutral field is a good win. I've been to this game a few times. It's a really fun situation here at Jerry World.

I think that it's usually a game that's infested with grab ass, but for A&M to come in and get a W with the circumstances that they've had this year, I think is a really good win. I think Arkansas is much better. You have your young quarterback, Marcel Reed, playing 11 to 22 for 163 yards and two touchdowns. And now you get a really important game on the road next week against Mizzou. And I think that Texas A&M feels like they have a shot to win that one. Yes. Yeah, they do. And I think we thought this Mizzou A&M game, when we looked at the schedules

at the beginning of the season, we were like, oh, this is a sneaky good one. This is a really good one. Because Missouri's coming off the close call to Vanderbilt, but then they had the week off this week. And then A&M, I think, should be feeling pretty good about beating Arkansas. Should feel pretty good about the way they beat Florida. They've had a good season so far. This could become a very good season if they beat Missouri.

Because if you beat Missouri, you're probably going to beat Mississippi State. And you're 6-1 going to the LSU game. And then you're looking at like, okay, could we beat Texas at the end of the season? Is that a possibility? I really think the confidence level of A&M could go sky high if they could beat Missouri. Now, look, Missouri may come in. Everything that went wrong against Vanderbilt, they get figured out, and then they just roll.

But I think it would be a great test for Missouri. This will be a tough road environment. And this is what you said. Oh, old Mrs. Schedules. Easy Missouri schedules. There are no easy schedules.

Except for maybe Rutgers. Yeah. So Andy, just two other pieces of, of things that, I mean, now we're going to go three hours. I got a lot of talk about Ashton Jenny in the chat.

Let's talk about Ashton Jenny. That game is still going on, Boise State, Washington State. There's 938 to go in the fourth quarter. Ashton Jenny has 22 carries, 247 yards, and four touchdowns. This dude is incredible. Yeah, he's just racking up some stats, and I think that he has a chance to go to New York at the end of the year. I think Boise is going to be in the group of five conversation

at the end of the year to make the playoff. And I think that he's the best running back in college football right now. So certainly have my eyes on him. And it's really cool to see just the crazy stats he's putting up week in and week out. He's a scoring monster. I mean, the average per carry is insane. Yeah. He came into the game averaging 10.5 yards a carry, I think.

It's not going down. It's level. He's maintaining it right now so far. Our chat poll is Travis Hunter getting your Heisman vote. The no vote, 62%. You don't know ball.

37% of you who said yes, congratulations. You know ball. The no votes, what do you want? What more do you want from the man? One last thing I wanted to say. Did you see the Jeremiah Smith touchdown catch? Yes. I texted you.

I texted you right when it happened. I was knee deep in the Bama-Georgia game at that time, but I saw the catch live, and that was two plays after he had another freak catch on the sideline. And I got to say, somebody who covered that program for a decade um i cannot remember a time where i've seen a person that age as physically freaky as that guy is and like i know we're doing it at the end of the show that we talked about the 17 year old ryan williams who's also amazing but like i think that like jeremiah smith might be the best freshman player i've ever

seen he he's up there the fact that he's already the best receiver at ohio state as a true freshman given what they have on their roster is incredible like i don't i don't think it's that hyperbolic for you to say that i think we're we're blessed this season to see a lot of really good freshman receivers but he might be the best like there there's a let's say we took all the coaches and said you can pick any receiver in the country you want anyone they're the age they are now it's not like you're picking them when they're in the NFL or anything like that they're the age they are now do Do 100% of them take Jeremiah Smith? I mean, you want to hear hyperbole?

You want to go down that road with me? I'll do it. Go for it. He is the best receiver in Ohio State history already. Now, there's a difference between that and greatest, because greatest means stats, moments, all the things that he hasn't had an opportunity to accumulate yet. But in terms of skill set and talent, I think that in three years,

you're going to look back at this clip and be like, yeah, he called it first. Like there's something about this person. He's a physical. He's going to be like, you're not saying that. I think skillfully speaking that he's already better than anybody who's

ever played the position there. Like skillful. Right. Like if Marvin Harrison was still on the team right now i still think he'd be better marv would be marv would be wide receiver too like and we're talking about one of the best young rookies in the nfl right like that is how good this guy is and i'm trying to be crazy about it because i want people to realize how good this guy is yeah and and ryan williams is doing incredible things the the reason i asked the way i did where i said

what if you're a coach who you take they're gonna take jeremiah smith because of his body and his speed and like yeah because he's a much larger package doing the same freakish things and like ohio state is like out there existing out in the world because they haven't played anybody good yet we've spent very little time talking about them on the show but like they killed they killed Michigan State Michigan State but and we're two weeks away from watching them play Oregon so like after that game we're gonna go live and we're gonna talk about it like Ohio State is out there existing in the world somewhere we're not really paying attention to them all that much on a national level because they're on Peacock and they're doing what they're doing but like their team is up there with Alabama and Georgia this year and like if you're not

paying attention go pay attention because they are really really good even though we haven't spent a lot of time talking about them well one other team to pay attention to Thomas in the chat keeps reminding us we got to talk about Clemson Clemson beat Stanford 40 to 14. Yeah, they got run by George in that first game. They are kicking the crap out of people now. They look awesome. K Club Nick looks great. And yeah, given what we saw from Miami against Virginia Tech,

like I don't think it's automatic that Miami would beat Clemson in the ACC championship game. I don't think that at all. I think that would be a really fun game to watch, and I imagine that's the game we'll get ultimately. Yeah, and it's like what do you do in bracketology when you're putting your automatic qualifier in for the ACC this week? I don't know that it's just a layup. It's been Miami every week, but is it Clemson this week?

The good news is Utah just scored, making this a much closer game. So I got to stay up and watch the rest of this game and work on bracketology. And I don't have to answer that question quite yet. But you can check it on three on Sunday because the bracketology column will come out or his bubble watch will come out. We'll also be on the on threeports YouTube channel talking about those things, talking to some various fan bases as well about where your team's at. Ari, just another beautiful Saturday at college football. The sport never disappoints, but it's especially great when the game you think is going to be awesome, first of all, looks like it's going to be a dud,

and then turns awesome again. It was the best type of game. We had to wait a little bit to get there, but when we got there, it was incredible. It wrote the check that it cashed before, and I think we're going to be talking about both of these teams for a long time this year. So I'm very excited about the future and a lot to talk about in the upcoming week.

That's right. We'll talk to you again on the on three sports YouTube channel on Sunday. We'll be back with the live show Monday, 930 a.m. Eastern time. It'll be a pick show. We'll be picking the games of week six against the spread. Talk to you very soon.