Andy & Ari On3 - Are college football dynasties DEAD? | Kyle Rudolph talks Notre Dame

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

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Welcome to Andy and Ari on three. We are here in New Orleans, Ari. The fine folks at Xfinity have brought us down. We're in the athletes first house, which is actually a compound of houses in this beautiful old restored New Orleans mansion. There's there's actually tandem tubs in the bathroom over there. I said if we have time can we just broadcast the last segment of the show from the tubs It's as tandem tubs like an old world new orleans Like I don't think so. I think that's a new thing that people want in their houses It's a new thing people want now. I just can't imagine like my wife wouldn't want to talk to me for that long And especially not in the tub So we've bought houses twice in the last five years. So we've been to a lot of open houses. Let me clarify for the audience. This is not a giant tub that fits two people. This is two tubs together. I've never seen a tandem tub scenario and I like feel like the whole point is to be in the tub with

your spouse. That would seem to be more practical. Yeah I don't know this because this is the type of house like just looking around like the details and the paint like I don't know if they like propped this place up to look like it's you would think it would look but there's no house like this anywhere that's not a New Orleans like we are in a New Orleans house. It's probably haunted too Yeah, it's like I can't tell if this is like a one million dollar charming beautiful like old world Antique ridden home or if this is the site of a horror movie that's being filmed But like I think that's the child. I think you can be both. Yeah, it probably depends on the lighting

Yeah, it's like beautiful in a in a you I might get stabbed kind of way. Yeah. Yeah. So we are here week at the Super Bowl. We inadvertently stayed in the chief's hotel. We didn't realize that. Yeah. Uh, did not note to my daughter.

I did not see Taylor Swift. I don't think she was hanging out in the Marriott. Let me ask you, let's just back this up real quick. Did Mahomes and Kelsey and Chris Jones stay there? Yes. See, cause like Andy Reid stayed there. The thing that I don't understand is like, it was a New Orleans Marriott. Nice property. Yeah. You know, from where we usually stay. We were usually in the Fairfield. If I were as rich as those people, it's not cutting it for me.

I would be the snobbiest human being. It's about the meeting space, Ari. They gotta have meetings. Oh, I know, but like, I just like, picturing Travis Kelsey sleeping in the room with B minus pillows is just insulting. I want, and that's the thing, if you want a, if you want a betting angle. That's why I don't think Taylor joined him. I'm pretty sure she didn't. It would be really, really gratifying to know that Taylor Swift crashed in the Marriott New Orleans. Like that would make me feel very special. That would make me feel very special.

But I do want to know too, like the pillow situation over at wherever the Eagles is staying might give you an inside shot at who might win this football game. I hadn't thought about that. Because pillow density and pillow support has become increasingly more important to me as I've aged. That's true. And some things you never thought would be important to you. And you think, you know, Saquon Barkley has to be operating at optimum capacity.

Lane Johnson, he's been playing a long time. Like there's no freaking way that Saquon Barkley slept with a with a lumpy pillow the way that I did last night. Do you think Saquon Barkley brings his own pillow wherever he goes? I think someone brings Saint Kwan. He has a person It is it's funny because we haven't quite gotten to that point covering college football where we see these folks You know they have the NIL deals, but they don't have a person for that They don't have an assistant by our James Winston an interview the other day talking about his assistant We're not quite there yet. We did talk to a

Guy at the senior Bowl who had an assistant. I think he misused what... Right, I think his agency provided somebody to help him. A person to help who also helps other people. I want somebody following me around and I'm like, I want egg drop soup. Go get it for me. Like, I want to get to that point. I think you could get big enough for that. Yeah. I think you could. Just like most random shit that you would just ask somebody. Like, hey, I want. I'm going to need 70 green Skittles. I want crunchy peanut butter and blackberry jam.

Go get it for me. You would be the worst boss. I would hate to be your assistant. I don't think I would terrorize anybody. I think you would. I think you definitely would. So we've got this game, the Eagles and the Chiefs. It's weird because we normally cover college football.

You and I both watched the NFL. I don't know where you're at on this. I am ready for something new. I am ready for not the Chiefs. But I also appreciate if they do win that they're doing something that's never been done before. Yeah, that's the thing that I think is so interesting about sports to be serious for a minute.

It's like the entire point of watching and consuming sports Andy is to see greatness And I feel like people don't appreciate greatness in the midst of greatness I think they only appreciate it after right like and you were you're older than me So you like where were you during the Jordan Bulls? Minus like were you I would I was you like time like I was a teenager. Yes I was watching every second people were people like rooting against the Bulls night. Like were you I was I was like I was a teenager. Yes I was watching every second people were people like rooting against the Bulls and Jordan. I feel like no I'd by their no Maybe the second three championships but they were coming off getting over the bad boy Pistons and

People hated the bad boy Pistons so much other than Pistons fans that It was easy to like the Bulls because they weren't Bill Lambier and Isaiah Thomas and yeah because people say that winning is the cure to all but if you win too much you become hated like well and the Chiefs like because who doesn't like Patrick Mahomes like what about Patrick Mahomes would annoy you? Unless you don't like a voice that sounds like Kermit the Frog, but the ref conspiracy is what I'm getting at. That's what I'm getting to here because Patrick Mahomes in a vacuum is there's nothing offensive about him. Everybody would love him, but he wins too much and he can work the refs and so now everybody hates

him. Yeah, but I also feel like Patrick Mahomes is already in the goat conversation and like having the pleasure of watching him chase a record that would have felt completely uncatchable four years ago is... See, I told you this place is haunted. I don't know what that was. Hopefully everything's okay. But I think it's a pleasure to be able to watch that. It is. I don't get sick of it.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the Eagles win this Sunday. Yeah, it's like the Eagles aren't even that new to me though. We saw the Eagles in the Super Bowl. They've been in three Super Bowls in the last seven years, eight years. Yeah, so it's not like the Cincinnati Bengals are back or something. Even they played, so I don't know. I'd like to see the Detroit Lions would be new. Yeah.

And I think that you always are rooting for people in that position. I mean, it happens a lot in college football the last two years, right? Washington, Michigan, Notre Dame. There are a lot of teams that kind of, you know, Indiana was new. And it's always fun, but it's like at the same time too. Like I might be telling my grandchildren that like Patrick Mahomes is the greatest quarterback of all time, and we stayed at the same hotel as him. Why would I take the Eagles? Why would I take that for

granted? Yeah, so I don't understand the thing of like, oh, I'm sick of it like it's fuck. It's football. It's the Super Bowl. I don't get it, so I'm glad you brought the Lions though because there's something Dan Campbell said after last year's loss in the NFC Championship game. And it brings me to what I want to talk about in regard to college football, because the Chiefs are in the midst of a dynasty. I think in NFL terms, it's already a dynasty.

And obviously, if they three-peat,, it's already a dynasty and obviously if they three-peat then it's really a dynasty but We've seen college football teams that have had this level of dominance It seems like it's harder in the NFL I think it's gonna be harder in college football coming up and what Dan Campbell said with the Lions I found very interesting because he said guys this is this really hurts. This is after they lose to the 49ers. We may not get back here. And then you look at the Lions this year, they were awesome. They lost to the commanders.

They lost both their coordinators. Like they might not get back there. Well, I think that like winning an individual game in the NFL is just so much harder. Yeah. Than winning a college football game because, you know, the talent discrepancy. There are so many games in college where the best teams could play their third stringers

and be okay. That's how it is in the NFL. The Cleveland Browns could beat the Chiefs if the Chiefs play their worst game of the season. That also then creates an incredible amount of different types of results in the playoff and getting back it's like Jayden Daniels being who he is you just get them on the wrong day you get your ass kicked like that's just what happens. So I think that that's true but I also feel like in the NFL the dynasty thing is very

quarterback dependent. Right and Patrick Mahomes is not going anywhere. That's right. So like as you try to turn this into a college football discussion, it's like if you have a franchise quarterback and the best quarterbacks in the league in the NFL tend to stay on those teams for 10 years, right? Yeah. You don't often see like, like Josh Allen isn't going to be on the chargers in a few years. You know know like Josh Allen will be a bill Because when you find that guy it's so freaking hard to find the right quarterback to begin with like keeping them is so important, right?

So there's not a lot of quarterback transferring, you know, yeah, I have a better term in the NFL so like to me it's like now that recruiting rankings aren't stackable the way they were in the past and Players are leaving when they're not playing more quickly than they've ever had before in the history of our game. You know the loyalty aspect of this is my college, this is where I went to school, this is a part of me forever is gone. Like being dominant year over year over year, although still handful of teams have an advantage and others don't, is much more complicated than maybe even in the NFL because it's so funny, it's almost flipped.

When the Patriots were winning all those Super Bowls in a row, I was like, this is so much more impressive than Nick Saban because the variability of the games, that was the word I was looking for earlier by the way, is so much higher for Bill Belichick than it is for Nick Saban. Nick Saban plays 85% of his games against teams that have inferior players. Yeah, Nick Saban is a double-digit favorite in most of his games. But now I think you can make the actual case that having a dynasty in the NFL is easier than in college. Right, because you can keep your quarterback. And that's how the end and if you want a personification or a example of how

college football has changed over the last three years, I think that that's probably the the chief example of it. Ohio State. Pun intended. Ohio State. So they win the national title. We've talked about they're they're gonna have to completely revamp their defense. They lost both coordinators like it's Ohio State. Yeah, they're gonna still be good. Yes, they still have Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs. They're still going to be good. They're probably still going to make the

playoff, but to expect them to win another national title is asking an awful lot. And what's the number one problem right now facing Ohio State quarterback? Who's it going to be now? Now, maybe Julian Sains that guy. But even if he is the window is two years. Right. Because Julian Sane just sat a year. And we're seeing that at places like Florida.

We're seeing it at South Carolina. Exactly. You know, places who have dynamic quarterbacks, they're able to hold on to. Well, like Shane, yeah, if you're Shane Beamer in South Carolina, like you have to look at it like this is the year. We have to do it.

Because Lenora Sellers can go pro after this Year and then what do you what's like the response to that of like, okay. Well, we're Ole Miss. We're getting Jackson Dart back We're bringing a bunch of guys back from a team that won ten games and they still don't make the 12-team playoff It's like the South Carolina swing for the fences this offseason to try to add more players to their roster Maybe they did I can't I think like it was they roll miss right? They don't have the probably the capability that Ohio State had going in last year. Even when we had a tangible example of a team that brought back a quarterback, who by the way, Jackson Dart, don't know if you noticed this, shooting up draft boards right now.

He was by far the best quarterback in the senior bowl. So like he could be a fringe first round, second round pick when this is all said and done, you know, with that defensive line and those receivers they had with juice, I mean I don't need to walk you through it, you remember, they did not make the 12th team well. I know, I know. So it's an unbelievable ask, and it's like, I think maybe the answer to that question

is still gonna be what the answer has always been, which is in order to be a dynasty in college football, you have to recruit top five classes for five years in a row, and there's more attrition now than there ever was before, but the fact that the attrition's probably even a good thing because the players that aren't good enough don't play and they leave.

So Ryan Day. And then you have more roster spots to backfill. Ryan Day signs a new contract. He's gonna make 12 and a half million dollars a year. Part of it's probably hazard pay for going through the crap he went through after the Michigan loss. Here's a little 25% kick for having to hire security to guard your house.

Right, but also, it is because he is one of the few people who can do what you just said. Stack top five classes on top of one another. And I don't know why that's become so much harder than it feels like it's been. Well, NIL, same thing. It's Eli Drinkwitz, who we talked about with our best coaches list,

and in the blurb I wrote about him, part of the reason I put him on the list is the work he did off the field to create an environment that made it where he could get elite talent in Missouri to stay home from an NIL standpoint. Yeah, yeah. Luther Burden.

Luther Burden goes somewhere else before. Yeah. Yeah. There's no there's no question like Luther Burden might be like a player that needs to wait two years to play at Alabama or Brian Heartline gets Luther Burden to come to Ohio State. Yeah. And then like Luther Burden has to sit behind Marvin Harrison Jr. and Jeremiah Smith for like yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Ari, we owe a huge thank you to Xfinity for bringing us to New Orleans to pre-game

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to the ones you love with the most reliable network and nationwide 5G. Visit at Xfinity.com for more information. Quarterback attrition and here's the funniest thing about the quarterback position too, to switch back to that. Cause I don't think we completely, it's like, there was some thought six months ago that like, Lagway was gonna go to A&M.

Like, you know, it's like, even if you fired your guy. Which was a realistic possibility in October. If BillionApril had been fired, Lagway could have been a free agent, could have gone anywhere. And now we're looking at it like Florida's got a window here of two years with DJ Lagway could have been a free agent, could have gone anywhere. And now we're looking at it like Florida's got a window here of two years with DJ Lagway. But he could be somewhere else.

But I also don't feel like we're that far off from a place like South Carolina, recruiting and developing a player like Lenora Sellers. And then Lenora Sellers leaving South Carolina, happy it didn't happen for a place that has a ton of money and Desperately needs a quarterback. I can think of a few right now that could use his services. You know, we still haven't seen that yet We saw it with Jordan Addison. We have not seen it with and Jordan Addison situation was was fairly unique He wins the bullet in the cough

With Kenny Pickett Kenny Pickett goes and gets drafted. The OC Mark Whipple leaves. Like Jordan Addison goes through spring and he's like, ah, this is nothing like what I did last year. So I'm bouncing. But we really have not seen the quarterback. We'll see that? I don't know.

So we've seen it like Darien Mensah with Tulane this year going but that's going to Duke That's not necessarily the same thing like we're not I don't think we'll see it with a an SEC or a Big Ten school where Somebody comes along they're really good and then a higher on the food chain SEC or Big Ten school snags them Like Georgia this year, right. Going to get sellers. Right. I don't I don't know we're gonna see that because I think South Carolina has enough money to make sure that doesn't happen. But if Georgia tries, which then again gets us

into this whole. We hear stories about we heard stories about Jeremiah Smith getting offered this and that. But if Georgia tries even if they don't feel like they're gonna be successful and drives up NIL values on guys in order to make them broker in terms of building their own whole team. And again, this is hypothetical, but don't you want to make them as expensive as possible for South Carolina? A place that already isn't making it rain?

If you're them, yeah. Well, I think- Don't you knock on the door no matter what every year routinely? I honestly think that's why some of these people did this with Ohio State. Like you make Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate as expensive as possible. So Ohio State can't retain everybody. So Ohio State can't spend some of that on freshmen. So I think doesn't have that money.

You make an offer that you're not heartbroken if they say no, but you'd be happy to pay if they say yes. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like everybody says, oh, it's uncapped. You can spend whatever you want Everybody has a limit everybody has a finite amount of money. I heard Billy Nape. You're talking about this. Yes on Wednesday Yeah, and like it's not even if there's no salary cap

Your boss is telling you this is this is how much you have your collective is telling you this is how much you have, right? Yeah, so, you know, I don't know if there's gonna be like a Setting the market, you know underbelly to this whole thing and we're going right but like it's like do you think a team? Is going to win? I? Mean it was insane that Alabama did it during the era they did it let alone this era Yeah, I think it would be harder for our dynasty? Like we talk about the death of the super team. But if the super team is dead. Then the dynasty is probably dead too.

Is the dynasty also dead? I think so because of the limited time you get. Cause I think to have a dynasty, you'd have to have a great quarterback now. Like you can win a national title in college football without a great quarterback. But I don't know if you can win multiples of them without a great quarterback. Also the team that just won the national title did it with a rental. Right, that's what I'm saying. So like hitting on four rentals in a row or three rentals in a

the it's hard to hit on one rental let alone two or three. That's what I'm saying they would have to hit on another rental and they have to replace their entire defense to win or they have to hit on a young quarterback. And they have to catch every possible break in the season along the way to get there. And maybe Ohio State will win a national title, a little stupid, but I don't I don't think it's gonna be very easy for them. I don't even know if the expectation is that they do next year. I think this is the first time you can honestly say that an Ohio State team is going into the offseason with the understanding that they might pull back next year and it not be the end of the world. Correct the understanding that they might pull back next year and it not be the end of the world.

Correct. And like Michigan, this past year, it wasn't the end of the world. Now I think them beating Ohio State helped that along. Michigan also was like, oh, we're all in. Right. Like during that whole- Well, and also, and we've gone over the timing of Harbaugh's exit, like what that means and how that changed-

But Michigan's entire mantra during their 2023 run was we are all in yes Like it's like we're like Ohio State was like that this year Yeah, Ohio State's good every year But if Ohio State would have lost like if their season would have ended after the Michigan game or they would have lost to Tennessee or Oregon Like I don't think that you would be able to go into the following season feeling like yeah, okay Well, if they don't win the national title, it's fine. Like, I think that the fire that was at the edge of Ryan Day's

feet, the fire that was around that program, the Woody Hayes Center, has dissipated. And I think it has been replaced by rational thought. And the rational thought is we lost 20 people. We lost both coordinators. We lost our quarterback. We don't know who our quarterback's going to be next year yet. If they go 10 and 2 which by the way was

an absolute disaster of a season four years ago that might just be okay and they still make the playoff and then maybe they win a game or two they get to the sweet sweet 16 by the way for those watching at home sweet 16 is exactly what I'm calling the quarter final. That's the Elite 8 though. There's only 18 in the quarter final. I'm calling it the Sweet 16 because the Sweet 16 is the weekend before...

Well, the Sweet 16 and the Elite 8 are on the same weekend. Sweet 16 should be the semi-final. What? We'll work through this. We're going through this better. We're gonna workshop it. In my head the Sweet 16 is the quarterfinal and the Elite 8 is It's weird how it makes sense when I hear it coming out of your mouth and I think about it like what are you talking about? Sweet 16 is the quarterfinal, the Elite 8 is the semi-final, a quarterfinal is there are eight teams left in any tournament. I'm saying in my head sweet 16 is a quarterfinal

Elite eight is the semi-final and the final four which is where the national championship game occurs is the title game Yeah, the the college basketball tournament having two rounds each weekend is what throws us off here So I think what I'm saying makes perfect sense and I would appreciate it if you didn't push back on Like I said coming out of your mouth that sounds perfectly reasonable Yeah, and that's all that I really care about like that's like gonna be on my epitaph It sounded reasonable coming out of my mouth so Another thing it's weird that is starting to sound perfectly reasonable

And I'm not sure it should as we go into the Super Bowl. Yeah the ref conspiracy theory. Because I do not believe for a second that there's a ref conspiracy theory that anybody's trying to, that they met at the NFL offices and are like, you know what, forget those teams in New York and Los Angeles. We're gonna make sure the team from Kansas City

has all the help it can get from the refs. But then you watch them play, and part of it is maybe because Patrick Rahomes works the refs so well. You're like, ah, that kind of feels that way. But I was thinking about this in terms of college football. Are there any college football conspiracy theories that you'd believe? That I believe?

Or that you, at least thinking back on, maybe there's something to it. The one weird one, and this is, we were talking about the press box in the national championship game. Ohio State finally drew a holding call. Ohio State's defense finally drew a holding call on the opposing offense for the first time since September.

Like how in the world does that happen? Now, I don't believe there's any conspiracy there because, yeah, cause like when you see Like how in the world does that happen? Now I don't believe there's any conspiracy there because how would that help the Big Ten? Is there a conspiracy theory that you believe? What is the theory then? I read a funny one. There was a Reddit thread about two years ago on college football conspiracy theories that Coach O's real accent is just a posh English accent. We'll do it. He sounds like he's from Derbyshire

That would be kind of funny You know Stevie Wonder's not actually blind. I don't know if you've gone down that I have gone down that rabbit hole. Yes Yeah, he like Saw something falling and he grabbed it or something like if people saw it happen. I don't know. Maybe it's just intuition So here's the thing. There are no conspiracy theories that I do not believe. Oh all of them. Okay Was that what I said? There are no conspiracy theories that I do not believe you Oh, all of them? Okay. Is that what I said? There are no conspiracy theories that I do not believe. You believe them all, is what you're saying. There are no conspiracy theories that I believe. Ah, okay. Very different. And what I think has actually happened is that anytime anything is a crazy occurrence

or there's something that happens that's abnormal or statistically improbable, that's where people go now and I don't know if it's the political world that we're in right now or if everybody always feels like there's some Illuminati type figures head like pulling the strings on everything exactly you want to know what the thing is that's a really weird stat like it's a bizarre stat to think that Ohio State can have four or five defensive linemen on their team who are gonna be playing in the NFL for the next ten years who couldn't draw a single penalty holding penalty from September to the national title game is an absurd stat but instead of just acknowledging that it's weird

and like that it's like it wouldn't make any sense as a conspiracy though yeah that's what i'm saying like we have to make it a bigger thing than it is because people are just so prone to wanting to believe there's some larger figure in the background that's just like controlling the world. We saw the Miami Virginia Tech game and that's a Friday night game everybody was watching and everybody's like oh the ACC just wants Miami to get in the playoff and make the national title game. People actually believe that Amy. Oh they did, 100%. Like there will be somebody in the chat right now who's going you guys don't actually believe that was called Fairly, do you? But that conspiracy directly conflicts with the other one,

which is if the ACC is in the bag for Miami, because they want their biggest brands to bolster their conference, then why would you screw Ohio State for eight weeks? Right, why would the Big Ten do that? Ohio State is their cash cow. Yeah, yeah. So like, which one is it? So, I mean, I don't know like what people... Alabama fans for

years thought the SEC was out to get them. For years. Doesn't everybody believe that the announcer on the game is against their favorite team and that all the world is against them and like it's some sort of like crazy... like here's the thing. I said this on the show before, and I'll say it again, I was visiting with an SEC recruiting staffer in his office for a story. And like, he got on all fours, like, looking underneath the desk because he was concerned that his office was bugged. This is a person who works in the sport. Right. Who thinks that another SEC, and I'm not gonna tell you what year it was

or what school it was. Who thinks another SEC school is like, it's the CIA and the KGB and Masahad, like, yeah. And it's the dumbest thing in the world, and I don't mean to be mean player personnel people. I'm not saying you're not smart. I think you're very smart. I think you're very smart. I think you're integral. I actually nobody's bugging your office.

No, but I also think that you should be paid more because I think it's interesting that the personnel people in college don't get paid more. That said, what you're doing is extremely followable. Yeah. When you offer somebody, when you're interested, when they they visit there is a website out there Have you heard of it? That tracks your every move so there's nothing that you could say in your office that is not Something that a general fan don't even have to be Connor Stallions You just be a regular fan and you can put together who someone's board is I Used to do it all the time when I was a big writer. Here's Ohio State's 12 top targets.

We gotta get Conor Stallions on the show. I actually want to know what college football Conspiracy theories he believes because I bet he's got a few. I mean there's a 900,000 page document of just yeah. Conor Stallions if you're watching this, I know I know we know some of the same people We want come on the show. No, he I can't pull out my phone right now because they weren't a professional studio but like he did tweet like a long tweet about like Preseason rankings and how that they're like poisoning the voting process Let us have him on to discuss our way too early top 25 because and it actually I think I think that like I don't Know if I'm to be chastised

for this, but like he's a smart individual. Yeah. He's not a stupid person. No. What he did might have been stupid. Getting caught the way that he did might have been stupid, but like his actual ability that he possesses as a science dealer slash tendency code breaker is pretty remarkable. But he basically, his premise is, is that if you

come into a season with preconceived notions of how good teams are based on roster and all the things that we do, then we reward teams for beating the teams that have preconceived notions early on and then it's just a series of results like which would happen with the SEC. How'd that work out for Indiana last year? But you would have said that about the SEC and it worked out that the SEC was propped up by fake results all year because they... But they also didn't get the teams they wanted into the playoff into the playoff. No, that's true. But I think that we found out though that all the quality wins But I think that we found out though that all the quality wins that we were propping up the teams around all year long

weren't actually quality. So I think that's what he's saying. Like he's saying that, all right, we're identifying and assigning quality. Connor Stallions, I know you've occasionally hit the message boards at the Wolverine. We know you like on three. Come on, let's go. What would he have to lose if

like we're like we're not going to ask you about the science dealing thing? Like what do you have to lose? Just come on. Yeah. I I I I I want to talk to reporters. Like it's not like it's some weird. I want to talk three season rankings. Let's go. Ari, we got a great show for everybody. Kyle Rudolph. Yeah. Former Notre Dame star, former Minnesota Viking star, joins us. We're going to ask him about picking Notre Dame over Ohio State as an in-state guy who had an Ohio State offer, who Jim Trussell really liked. And later in the show, I am going to help you do better at your Super Bowl party and I'm gonna help all of you eat your wings properly

at your Super Bowl party. Never let it be said we don't teach you stuff on this show. Never let it be said that this is not an educational program. We're not wasting time here. We're educating. We'll be right back. Honor to be joined by Kyle Rudolph, former Notre Dame star, former Minnesota Viking star. Alright, I gotta ask you this before we get started because we have many Notre Dame questions,

but are you allowed to walk around in this city? There was a pretty famous play in the Superdome a few years ago where you scored a walk-off touchdown, you may or may not have pushed off. And these saints fans are crazy. Yeah, I'm not very, I did get into a nice restaurant last night without a reservation. So they don't hate me that much. They took care of us, got us a table, but it's funny cause people often want to describe the catch and the mayor may not have pushed off. Like people do realize that year, past interference was reviewed because the Saints got screwed the year before. So if there was any push off whatsoever, you

don't think they would have used that opportunity to be like, oh yeah, you're right. This is the whole reason we have this rule. But also the Saints getting screwed the year before was the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of the NFL, right? Yeah, latent penalty. So it's like Trust me. We had a couple calls that year. Like I we were in Green Bay week two Dalvin cook caught a touchdown pass and like digs ran into someone on the other side of the field and it was like Getting ready to go out kick the extra point. Oh no, replay.

No, there was pass interference. Oh, they called it a pick play. It wasn't even a pick. It was just, he just ran into somebody and they were inside the field. So there were so many egregious, like pass interference reviews throughout the course of that season.

That's what I was like. Honestly, once it happened, I was like, oh no, they're gonna completely make an example out of this. An entire NFL game where there was no PI and you're just allowed to beat the crap out of each other. Just, you know. I think people kind of want to see that this week. On Sunday.

Yeah. What is that like? I've covered basketball games where the winning team hits a buzzer beater, or the road team hits a buzzer beater. But the road walk-off playoff game, what is it like when the Superdome goes silent? Yeah it was wild because you know not to just keep piling on to Saints fans but like we had the exact opposite in 18 the 17 season with the Minneapolis Miracle. Yeah right. Home

team walk off the loudest I've ever heard a stadium ever and then the complete opposite was in New Orleans like you catch the touchdown. It was so loud in that game like I would get on a knee in the middle of the huddle just so I could hear the quarterback like I couldn't stand my spot in the huddle is directly across from the quarterback you have the offensive line the other four skill players and I could not hear Kirk from five feet away from so I would have to get on a knee it could tighten the huddle up so we could hear. That's how loud the Superdome was at the time

to complete silence, just utter shock. There's no way for the third year and how many years we just lost in the playoffs again. You know, it was us in 18 and obviously the NFC championship against the Rams the year before and then us again. And that was January of 20. So they went 18, 19, 20, three straight years

with devastating losses in the playoffs. So I gotta ask you, because we are what a few weeks removed from Notre Dame, making the run that it did, but I wanted to back the bus up to something we were talking about before we started recording, because that's always when the good stuff happens, right? So I covered Ohio State during Urban's 10 year period

or the 10 years that he was there. And I went down to Cincinnati Elder High School, which is where you went, and wrote a story about Tommy Kramer, an offensive lineman who was the first in-state player with an Ohio State offer from Urban Meyer to not go to Ohio State. And we know that Notre Dame is like kind of like, you know, private Catholic high schools or like little embassies, right? All over the country for Notre Dame where they were able to transcend geography.

But take me into, you know, how you ended up there and I'm just gonna ask you, because it's a cheat sheet, like if Urban Meyer was the head coach when you were in high school, how would that have gone? Yeah, it would have made my decision a lot more difficult. Like you think back to Ohio State at the time when I was in college, they were winning just as much. You know, they had national championship games, they were going to BCS bowl games every single year. But Jim Trussell's offense, I would have gone and been a tackle. Offense a tackle. It might not have been a bad thing.

I look at how much more money tackles make than we did. It might have been a good thing. But at the time for me, I was like a skinny basketball player that had to put weight on just to play the tight end position. So then to think about, you know, what things would have been like to then have to block all the time.

Like I didn't want to do that. So I took visits to Ohio State. I liked Ohio State a lot. I just, as much as Coach Trussell told me, no, no, no, like we just don't have a tight end like you. If you come here, we'll use you. I said, yeah, you'll put 30 pounds on me and make me a tackle.

Well, just so you know, it was a recurring joke on the Ohio State beat every single year. Every single time a tight end caught a pass, like the entire press box went, oh my God. It was like a surprise. It wasn't until Cade Stover. Like Cade Stover is when we finally stopped making those jokes. And that was like three years ago. Yeah, I think he's in. Like Cade Stover is when we finally stopped making those jokes.

And that was like three years ago. Yeah. I think he's in his second year in the NFL. Yeah. It's like, so for me having Coach Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame, Anthony Fasano, John Carlson had both just been second round picks in the NFL, you have this just straight pipeline to the league. And to me, as much as I appreciated what Notre Dame offered from an education standpoint and having a Notre Dame degree as your fallback plan, not a bad plan B, but it was all about how can I get to the NFL. And I felt like Notre Dame gave me a better chance to be a tight end in the NFL. Now like I said looking back being a tackle wouldn't have been bad. There's a lot of former tight end tackles. Lane Johnson playing in the Super Bowl this week.

Quarterback to tight end too offensive tackle. Lane's done pretty well. I think of another former Philly tight end Jason Peters who was I think he got drafted by the Bills as a tight end and they were like Yeah, you're gonna be a tackle Before we record you also mentioned that urban tried to recruit you to Florida as a Florida grant. I gotta say Why not? Yeah for me it was like not that I wasn't willing to go away like Like I liked Florida, I liked LSU, I liked Oklahoma, Texas.

I loved all those schools, but ultimately to have the ability for my parents to drive four hours to South Bend for home games, then we played Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue. Most years they could drive to 10 out of the 12 games. And then we play, if we played BC, obviously it's a flight to Boston, and then we would go to the West coast every year of Stanford, USC. Yeah.

Like at Notre Dame you get the gamut you cause you're playing at USC. Sometimes you play at Michigan. Sometimes you'd be like, they'll they'll play some of the schools in the big 10, but they'll occasionally play an SEC school. So it feels like you get a little bit of everything. Yeah. And obviously at that time, this was kind of before TV is the way that it is now, at Notre Dame, we played on NBC, national television, every home game. And then if we were playing on the road, most of the time it was the prime time, 7.30, 8 o'clock ABC

kickoff. So that opportunity to play on the biggest stage, week in and week out, was ultimately why I was here. Being an alum of that place, it's like you know it's one of the most triggering topics, whether it's good or bad. Every time we talk about Notre Dame, live chat. As we're doing this, the chat is going off, who cares about Notre Dame? Nobody cares about Notre Dame. That's why they're in the chat commenting about Notre Dame, live chat. Right now, as we're doing this, the chat is going off, who cares about Notre Dame? Nobody cares about Notre Dame. That's why they're

in the chat commenting about Notre Dame. Correct. Right. Constantly. But there's been a lot going on there, you know, between coaching changes and new regimes and the sport changing. What is your thought process of what Notre Dame ceiling was as a program, maybe four years ago, and whether Brian Kelly got them to that point yeah and now do you feel like winning a national championship against the teams that have recruited at a pace that was maybe hard for them to keep up because of transfer issues I mean sorry admission issues I should say has it changed in your mind yeah I think we saw this year that talent disparity, that gap that we've fought for a long time. When the 2012 team lined up against Alabama

and the Orange Bowl, there was no chance. Like I think even if Alabama doesn't play well and we play our perfect game, we probably still don't win. Fast forward, Coach Kelly has two more college football appearances. First round exit against Clemson, first round exit against Bama. So that talent disparity was so great. Yeah, we could go 12 and 0 and beat USC,

maybe beat a couple of big 10 teams, ACC. We play five ACC schools every year. But when you play the big game against the Alabamas, the Clemsons at the time when they were rolling, the Georgia's, we played Georgia twice during that era and they played them tough but they can never get over the hump and win that game against a perennial powerhouse that's recruited very well over a period of time. And this year I didn't see that, you know, and honestly even to the national championship game, I would have loved to seen what that game would have looked

like with all of our players healthy. Benjamin Morrison. Or five quarters. Number one, just maybe I don't agree with playing man coverage on third and 11 against the best receiver in college football. But it's like, at least if we're going to play man, like we did all year, if we had our corner who's probably going to be a first round pick out there to match up

against the best receiver. But it's really telling about you lose Benjamin Morrison. You had Charles Jaggers out most of the season. You had the center goes out, Ashton Craig goes out. And they still make it to the national championship game. Left tackle gets hurt against Penn State. He doesn't play in the national championship game. Riley Mills gets hurt against Penn State. He doesn't play in the national championship game. Riley Mills gets hurt against IU.

I mean, they were pretty beat up. We had like five quality starters that didn't play in that game. And Ohio State was rolling. So they were gritty and they made it close. But like that 31 to 7, it's like, at that point as a Notre Dame fan, you're kind of just like,

well, we gave it our best shot. Like ultimately the ball didn't bounce our way. I felt for a minute there, cause we were at the game and it felt for a minute there when it was within eight and they were getting the ball back, you're like, all right, magic may happen. Well, here's the thing, Ohio State was in a very high leverage moment.

And I know that the player they were throwing it to was the best receiver in college football. But he was also a true freshman, 18-year-old. If he drops the pass, Notre Dame gets the ball back down 8 with what, a few minutes left? Yeah, it was like a minute 36 or something like that. But we were there as well. And all I could think about was, this is weird the way fate works.

We're in the stadium of the Atlanta Falcons, who blew the biggest lead in the Super Bowl. And you're like, OK, does 31-7 become the new 28-3? Is this going to be all over the place? And it's like one score happens, then it becomes 16, which is exactly what happened in the 28-3 New England Atlanta. They cut it to 16. So then it becomes two scores. And ultimately, Marcus decided to kick the field goal down 16. Don't agree with it, don't really understand why. You're still down two touchdowns if you make it. So they cut it to eight, get them to third and 11,

obviously make the huge play and yeah, he's a true freshman receiver. But that's a testament to, I think, Notre Dame too this year and who they were because we were there and for a minute there in the third quarter, it felt like, okay, this game's getting away from them. But I don't even remember like just thinking about it off the top of my head it being 31 to 7. It never felt that dire, even when you were there. As a Notre Dame fan, it did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

After that first drive, you could just see the energy kind of leaving our side of Mercedes-Benz Stadium. And it's like, man, we can't do anything. They're taking away the run. We didn't have a stop on third down. There was, I think, Will Howard had one incompletion. Yeah, he had his best game at Ohio State, that game.

His one incompletion was the ball, I think it was Trevion Henderson down the sideline. And he probably should have caught it. That was his one incompletion was the ball, I think it was Trevion Henderson down the sideline and he probably should have caught it. That was his one incompletion of the first half. They were perfect on third down. We couldn't guard anyone on third. It didn't matter if it was third and three or third and 15. We couldn't cover anyone. It was just like, this might get really out of hand. Before we let you go, I sent a picture of your last touchdown ball to Ari this morning and he was fascinated by it because for

those who don't know you you caught your last touchdowns your 50th career touchdown catch in the last regular season game the 2022 season playing for the Bucs. It also turned out to be Tom Brady's last regular season touchdown evidently it did. We're gonna we're showing a picture of it. The viewer will see the picture of this. Was it your idea to put from Tom Brady in parentheses? I have some of the, call it monumental touchdowns,

obviously the Saints one that we talked about earlier. I've got that one. It's painted up. They always put a description, whether it was like, your stats from the game or in that case, like 50th career touchdown from Tom Brady. I have the Vikings record for touchdowns by a tight end. I caught that from Sam Bradford. So it's like 22 yard completion from Sam Bradford. Oh, okay. So it's not just a Brady thing. No, it's just because that ball. But that's the thing thing I Devalued the most valuable ball in all of sports by putting Cal Rudolph 50th touchdown on it Well, no, but here's the thing because I'm a memorabilia sports card guy who likes being a degenerate

So what's more important to you The personal accomplishment which by the way, congratulations. That's awesome. You know, I don't think I could have done the personal accomplishment, which by the way, congratulations, that's awesome. You know, I don't think I could have done that. Yeah, I mean, it's incredible. But your personal accomplishment or the fact that you might have one of the most valuable footballs on the face of the earth. And like, what would it take for you to put it on eBay? I mean, like, you've seen how much like Shohei's baseball went, like, I don't know know if it would because he threw another touchdown in the playoffs

The following week it wasn't his last touch but like I'm assuming that that would be I mean technically that doesn't count playoff stats don't Oh that's it, it's true Last one Yeah So I'm wondering though They don't like Playoff catches don't like if you look at my career catches it doesn't say whatever plus playoffs

It's just regular season stats. So OK, well then maybe that you're probably writing the description on eBay right now. That's good. But how much would somebody have to offer you for the ball? I don't know. I think it's better that it is so devalued and painted that at the time, we knew it was my 50th touchdown,

as soon as I caught it. There is a whole story that kind of goes like, I can paint a little picture for you. So coming out of the 2019 season, I had 47 touchdowns. So I'm like gonna just blow past 50. Like not even thinking about it as, obviously it's a big milestone.

2020, one touchdown. I had never had less than three in a season. So I have one in 2020. All right. You know, whatever. Go to New York. The next year, one touchdown. I'm like, all right, maybe I'm never going to get to 50. It's just like that, that number. I'll never get there. So two years in a row, I have one touchdown. Then the 2022 offseason works the way it does. End up going to Tampa, playing with Tom Brady and I'm like, all right, I'm going to catch like 12. Like it's Tom Brady. Well, I hardly played. I didn't even have 12 catches. Like I think I was

dressed for like five or six games. I actually think you were on my fantasy team that year. That would have been an awful pick. You didn't have to worry about putting me in your lineup because I wasn't active. But so end up going through the year, we're playing Baltimore on Thursday night, about halfway through the year. And I get put in in like a red zone package. It's a three tight end package with Mike Evans on the back side. Mike's going to run like a whip route. The two tight ends are going to block, which at this point in my career, I was always one of those two tight ends that was staying in and blocking. They weren't going to have me go run the route.

And no, in this case, the two tight ends are blocking. I get to run the route. And it was like, basically, I ran an over route above Mike Ebbens. So Tom gets the ball. He's going to look at Mike first. If Mike's covered, you got me coming over the top. We get down inside the 20 yard line,

Byron Leff, which is our offensive coordinator at the time, calls the personnel group. I knew by the personnel group what the play call was. And I'm like, all right, here we go. It's either going to Mike or me. That's it. And we were, I said, playing Baltimore, former Notre Dame grad, or alumni, Kyle Hamilton's the safety.

He's in the middle of field. And I'm just looking, pre-snap, snap Mike all I got to do is cross his face because there's no one on that third of the field because the corners cover Mike. But before the player are you visualizing 50? Oh yeah I'm like this is it. Either the ball's gonna get thrown to Mike right away because the corner plays off in which case I won't be open or if the corner jumps Mike I'm catching number 50 right here. So set hut, ball snapped. I was not fast at the time, but I

felt like I was hauling ass across it. Because I know all I have to do is cross that safety's face. If I cross his face and he doesn't jump me, there's no one on the other side. And I run right by him and turn to look, just thinking the ball is going to be, it's the best quarterback that's ever played the game. He put it in like the fourth row.

It wasn't even close. And it was so demoralizing. Tom even put his head down. He never does that on the field. He's always positive and encouraging. And I just kept running and ran to the sideline because I knew I wasn't back in the, I was my one play. Yeah.

So I was like, you know what? Maybe 50 is just not in the cards. The greatest quarterback of all time couldn't hit me wide open. So last regular season game of the year, I started to play a little bit more towards the end of the year. Tom had been fighting for me to get out there. And we weren't very good on third down. We weren't very good in the red zone.

He's like, hey, I got this big guy here. I brought him down here. Maybe we could use him a little bit. So first third down in the game in Atlanta, same thing. As soon as the personnel group's called, I know I'm in, finally. And then pre-snap, we were like two by two. Chris Godwin went in motion to the other side to make it three by one. And it's like me and a rookie white linebacker.

And I'm like, this is going to be the easiest touchdown I've ever gotten. And sure enough, like, I have a corner route. So I run up, run right around him, and Tom hits me for the touchdown. And you're like, because you missed me earlier, I'm keeping this one. Well, and that's the thing. So like, like at the time we knew it was 50 for me We didn't know Tom was gonna retire like I would have thought at that point Tom still playing But Tom's probably gonna go to Vegas and be the Raiders quarterback or maybe San Fran and Niners quarterback Could somebody buy it from you I mean, I think it would be financially irresponsible of me to not

I mean, I think it would be financially irresponsible of me to not Take an absurd amount of money. I feel like for me like there's nothing that I could ever possess that wasn't for sale outside of a family member Yeah, I mean again, I think it would be financially irresponsible for me I have a ball that's in store Nobody I'm just bringing it up because it theoretically could be worth seven figures. Yeah. It's electric. It's amazing. Kyle thank you so much. Yeah I appreciate you guys that was fun. Appreciate you being here. Thank you. And by the way Andy I know we're still recording like if I ever get skinny this is how I'm dressing right here. Absolutely. This is very sharp. The hoodie under the blazer I always

feel like I can't pull it off but I gotta try. This is just like all you or do you have a stylist? My wife, she's here. She's my stylist but it's actually so when I retired I got a lot of my football weight off but I haven't gotten my suits tailored yet so if I don't wear the hoodie under my it's a little big. I look like I'm wearing my dad's sport coat if I don't put a hoodie on. I just thought you looked at Andrew Whitworth on TV. Maybe it's Big Whit's trick too because he slimmed down from his playing days. I'm doing it. Blazer hoodie, done.

There you go. Thank you. Appreciate you being here. Thanks. All right. I feel like we got to do a public service project here. I think I can help you out too. This is a talent that I've known you've had for what, like three years now and kind of

marveled at it. I've seen you attempt it behind camera. I'm a little bit nervous to be sitting next to you while you do it, but also at the same time feel like it'd be a hell of a pickup line if you were, you know, single Andy and you showed girls you could do this. Oh yeah. Yeah. It is a great skill. So I speak, of course, of the wing twisty.

I'm going to teach you guys how to eat wings. Now, I think there's a lot of children out there who feel like the drum is the best part of the wing. That's what I felt like when I was 18, 19. And so we joke all the time about Ryan Williams being 17, the Alabama receiver on our friend Dan Wetzel show that he does with Pat Fordy and Ross Dellinger the college football and choir so they had a segment and someone told Dan a source

told Dan that they saw Ryan Williams go into a wing place in Tuscaloosa and order all flats and let me tell you this increases my respect for Ryan Williams by a thousand because I didn't realize that all flats was the way to go until I was in my thirties. So when you go to a wing place do you do all flats every time? Not every time but when I'm in the mood for it because the flat gives you the best bite in wings. Here I got some wings back here. The folks at Central City Barbecue, which is right down the street from here. I feel like if there was ever going to be a picture of you that be preserved in history, it would just be you doing that with your arm and doing a buff of the wing out. Absolutely. Yeah. So the flat wing, people don't like the flat wing because they think

it's too much work. They think you got to bite around this bone and then you got this other bone. You're describing me when you say people. Right. Right. And the drum, they say, is easy because it looks like a little drumstick and you just go, and eat around. But there's so little meat on the drummy. The drummy is a very unsatisfying bite. This is a very satisfying bite. So here's what we do.

We're gonna go on the thin side of the flat. And your thumb and forefinger here you're popping in your mouth oh I didn't come clean don't worry we'll work on that we're gonna get you wrong. When you said twist you didn't twist. I did well I didn't twist enough that's why I left a little piece. Okay so when the flats in your mouth yeah I mean maybe you should do it again. That's why I left a little piece. Okay, so when the flats in your mouth Yeah, I mean, maybe you should do it again. We'll try again so I can like watch you twist this I'm gonna go from the other side. Now you can you can push a little bit of it up here if you want to get a little cheat

Mmm. See that's that's horrific. I don't know like that is the human being do that before and now I left a little tiny chunk there But okay, you want to try it? Yeah, sure Like that is seen a human being do that before and now I left a little tiny chunk there, but okay Yeah, sure There we go, these wings are amazing well you did the hardest part that was like gonna give me anxiety which is trying to identify which is the Fat and skinny side so we're gonna do it like give it a little push before you do push just a little push. There you go. Not a lot. Okay, I don't think I did anything there. Okay, there you go. Let's go. Let me see what you got. You took a bone. Do not swallow that bone. Are you?

Listen, this will impress your friends at the Super Bowl party, but it'll just be a more satisfying eating experience. Just boom, right there. I can't do it. I can't do it. Like I knew this I knew this was gonna happen. You just had to practice here you go Give me that that's disgusting. Um, all right, so this is the uh, This is you can go from either side. Oh, okay. Well, you made it seem like that was an integral part of this. I would suggest, I would suggest go, probably on this one, because you got the exposed bones over here, so you could push the meat up from there.

So I'm going to get you started. Did you sanitize by the way? Of course. Okay, just wanted to make sure. What kind of operation do you think we're running here? This is a very professional deal. Okay. I got napkins too.

I'm going to try to get around the mic here. Come on, get it! What kind of a relation do you think we're running here? This is a very professional deal. Okay. I got napkins too. I'm trying to get around the mic here. Come on, get it. Why do you keep leaving a bone? This isn't my forte. You're gonna try to eat a bone here. I'm putting it in my mouth and twisting it and doing the best that I can.

I told you it was gonna go this way, bud. All right. Watch as follows. I mean, you've also been doing this for like 30 years so like I did learn this in college. Like you've been like you have shout out to the Hooters in underground Atlanta where I originally learned to do this. So see you got to expose bone here I'm gonna take a little bit I pushed it up a little bit boom. I'm not even seeing your wrist move when you do that. It's clean. I think it's your grip strength is your problem.

But I don't even know where you're twisting it. It doesn't even look like your hand is moving when you're doing it. So the person who taught it to me, a guy named Carlos Frias, he called it the wing twisty. There's actually probably not much of a twist here. It's more about boom, just grab it clean. So maybe I have to come over there. But are you using the edge of your teeth to like grab it and then pull out?

Right, and I also think you are not gripping it hard enough like imagine you were my hand or my mouth with your hand Also with your mouth, but because it's two parts of this equation But imagine you are Tom Cruise doing a stunt in a movie where you have to hang off a helicopter with one hand That's how hard you need to be grasping the bones as you pull all right I'm gonna give it one more whirl here And if I can't do it that I'm gonna give it one more whirl here. And if I can't do it, then I'm just gonna have to like live in a world where I can't do this.

But you know, the people listening at home, you can tell us if you were able to take any of this. I bet that everybody at home can figure this out. So yeah, I'm gonna get you started here. I'm gonna get you started. This one, so these two bones, thumb and forefinger. You got me a small one, I love that about you. As tight as possible.

Like again, you are hanging off the edge of a helicopter. If you drop these bones. And you're telling me that this is more convenient than just eating a drumstick like an adult or a child. Like a child. Yeah, okay. It's less fun. You're never gonna get it.

Every time I get it. Boom, nothing. Did you think that this was gonna work for me? I was hoping. You've been around me enough to know. I mean these are great wings though. These are tremendous. And I apologize for those listening in podcast form for me chewing into the mic, but this is incredible. And like we have 24 of these back here. I Probably eat them all if we didn't have other things we had to do. Yeah, I feel like I can try these off set I don't know if the segment is ruined because I didn't figure it out. Oh, no, it's it's tremendous Yeah, I feel like you should go practice and then next year our show before the Super Bowl you come back and you show everybody

How much you've learned? Don't do my best. Yeah, that sounds like a good, you know, oral exercise, you know what I mean? And then I can do an oral exam. Look at that clean bone right there. Yeah, well, sorry for letting you guys down. Hopefully Andy taught you something, but if you found out anything, he's a terrible teacher, so. Oh, it's my fault. Yeah, yeah, it is your fault. You're a terrible student. Yeah. You're lucky you didn't die. Remember our eating out of the trash conversation? Yeah. That was your bone. Did you just eat

my- yeah that's that's repulsive. No it's not! You would do the same thing. I mean I did like have a hard time with your hand being all over it even if you did sanitize. My hands are very clean. Yeah. It's actually much easier when you only have one bone it's really easy. I mean this is the first segment that we've ever done that might well actually that's not true But maybe the first segment we've ever done that would gross out the audience. No We did have the mayonnaise when I ate the mayonnaise. Yeah, that was pretty disgusting That was horrible. Yeah, but I feel like i'm less prepared to eat wings. I mean I spat mayonnaise into the microphone and the camera

I was less Prepared now going into the Super Bowl party that we're having on Sunday to eat wings. But now you're going to be all nervous about it. Now you're just going to come in with a complex. I'm going to stick with the drums like I always do and get the drum meat. Embarrassing. March to the beat of your own little tiny childlike drummer while the adults eat the flats.

It's just a further proof of what you already know about me, which is I'm a simple guy, man. Okay, like I am a I'm a adult child and I like what I like and I like ketchup on chicken fingers. I like french fries. I like burgers and that's who I am. I'm going to clean the rest of these wings off. Yeah, you go.

I mean you can eat them in 30 seconds with the way that you eat them. Everybody go enjoy the Super Bowl. We will talk to you Monday morning. 930 a.m. Eastern Time. We will talk to you Monday morning. 930 a.m. Eastern Time. We'd love to thank the folks at Xfinity for bringing us here. The folks at Athletes First. This house is incredible. This set is incredible.

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