Andy & Ari On3 - Are Diego Pavia & the Vanderbilt Commodores IN the College Football Playoff with a win at Tennessee? Who Gets the Job at LSU, Florida, and Penn State?

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

As Andy & Ari picked nine games with home underdogs on Monday's show, there is one glaring SEC game the fellas omitted where the home team is favored: Vanderbilt at Tennessee. As Tennessee opens up as a slight favorite in Knoxville, Vanderbilt is clinging to its College Football Playoff hopes sitting at 9-2 entering the last week of the regular season. Would the Commodores get in the 12-team field with a 10-2 record? Does Tennessee have a shimmer of hope? Producer River seems to think so. All that and more on a jam packed Andy & Ari On3! (0:00) On Today’s Episode(1:14) Presenting Sponsor(4:08) Intro: Vanderbilt at Tennessee(11:51) Vanderbilt’s side of the coin(17:05) CFP Deadline Extension(20:11) Picking Vanderbilt at Tennessee(24:34) Academy Sports + Outdoors(26:08) Who gets the job at LSU?(36:16) LSU Candidates other than Lane Kiffin(44:55) OmahaSteaks(46:40) Who gets the job at Florida?(1:00:43) PaniniAmerica.net(1:02:55) Who gets the job at Penn State?(1:16:05) Conclusion: See you tomorrow! As Andy & Ari finish discussing the game in Knoxville, the guys play a game of "Who Gets the Job?" with three schools: LSU, Florida, and Penn State. What will come out of the Lane Kiffin sweepstakes? What's the backup plan for the schools that don't get him? All these questions answered and more in today's episode. Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. We’re also brought to you by Panini! Panini delivers the most collectible sports cards and memorabilia on the planet. Check out the new exclusive Arch Manning collection or the Panini Prizm Draft Picks College Football series. Visit PaniniAmerica.net to start your collection today.  Our show is sponsored by Academy Sports + Outdoors! https://www.academy.com/discount Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/Yi0ABpwKosA Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's edition of Vandy and Ari on 3 presented by BEDMGM, there was one game that we did not pick yesterday, that we definitely still need to pick. That is Vandy, Tennessee. It is maybe the one big game where the home team is favored, but the road team is the one trying to win game number 10 and particularly make the college football playoff. We will talk the rivalry. Yes, we're going to call this a rivalry because this is the potentially big. biggest edition of this rivalry yet. And after that, we play a game of who gets the job because the coach of Carousel is spinning furiously.

We will probably have answers as to who will be the new coaches at all of the schools with openings, or at least most of the schools with openings by a week from today. But who gets the job at LSU, at Florida, at Penn State? Big questions, no solid answers yet. Everybody thinks they know, but who's going to get it? We'll talk about it all today on Annie and Orion 3, presented by BetMGM. We are proud to be sponsored by BetMGM. All the lines and totals we use come from BetMGM.

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where we had nine games. The road team was the favorite in everyone. And yes, I'm counting Georgia's the road team, even though Mercedes-Benz Stadium is officially a neutral site. We did not pick one game, and it was mostly because it didn't fit the theme, but also because I wanted to kind of give it its own platform. Vandy at Tennessee,

we did not go into the season thinking this would be the biggest game in the history of the Vanderbilt-Tennessee rivalry. And yes, I think we can call it a rivalry right now. But, oh my God, this one's got huge, huge implications. Vanderbilt is a two and a half point underdog at Nealyn Stadium. Vanderbilt trying to win game number nine. Excuse me, Vanderbilt trying to win game number 10. Tennessee trying to win game number nine.

Tennessee coming off a great performance at Florida. What do we think is going to happen here? Yeah, I think before we get into the game, I want you to convince me that Vanderbilt isn't eliminated from playoff contention. I don't think I can convince you of that. I think some stuff's got to. happen even if they win 10 games. Yeah, I think a lot has to happen because they're not getting it over Alabama if Alabama's a two-loss team. Yeah. And I wonder if, and this is just

like me trying to, you know, figure this whole thing out for the first time given the committee is, you know, operating a little bit differently than we're accustomed to. But if Texas, you know, is still as of right now a blocker, I just don't know if Texas loses to A&M, they're not. They're going to have four losses. So I don't think that'll be an issue. And then, uh, Producer River was trying to weasel his way into our lives last night. Oh, no, let's show the tweet. He's been sending this tweet to us constantly from Brooks Austin, who he's a film study guy based in Georgia.

Hot take, if both teams win this weekend, it's Tennessee that should be arguing for the three-loss CFP bid, not Texas. Okay, let's have that argument. Ari, what's Tennessee's best win? I don't know. Is it better than Oklahoma? Oh, wait, Tennessee lost Oklahoma. What's Tennessee's best win?

Producer River, come on. Come, come, come join us. What's up? Tennessee's best win? Best win is... You can't even answer quickly. This is why this isn't even an argument. This is not a debate.

I don't know what Brooks Austin is thinking, but there's no debate here. Here's the one thing that River said to me in text, and I don't want to roast him. He is a Tennessee guy, and he wants the best first program. We're not going to roast you. But this year to Rivers Defense, the committee has seemingly prioritized who you lost to more than who you beat.

So if you look at Tennessee's resume, their losses are to Alabama, Oklahoma, and Georgia, all of whom are current playoff teams. But they lost by 17 to Alabama. Right. but if you are to scrutinize a team's resume based on who they lost to rather than who they beat Tennessee has a better who they lost to. Oh, buddy, this is this is bad. River, this is real. I can't even believe you brought this up.

Like, like a self-awareness for you. You send this to the chat. Okay, let's go through Tennessee's wins and you tell me what vaults them over Texas. Let me. If, wait, stop. Remember, if Texas is. is nine and three. Texas will have wins

against Texas A&M and Oklahoma. Okay? Both playoff teams probably. Yeah. So Tennessee has beaten Syracuse. Syracuse. My name, Andy. Steve Angelly Syracuse.

Okay. Great. So they beat a Syracuse that would have gone six and six instead of one that's going to go three and nine. Perhaps. They beat East Tennessee State. They beat UAB. Before they fired Trent Dilfer. Yeah.

They beat Mississippi State in overtime. How many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many, uh, how many, uh, many SEC wins does Mississippi State have right now? One one one, yeah, yeah, one, one, uh, they beat Arkansas. Yeah. How many SEC wins does Arkansas have right now? Uh, not a one, not one. They have zero.

Okay. They beat Kentucky. Yeah. They beat the crap out of Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kentucky beat Florida. Oh, wait, that's it.

Yeah. Kentucky beat Auburn got she freeze fired. Yeah. They beat New Mexico State. Diego Pobby doesn't play for them. That's the team they're playing this week. Yeah.

And they beat Florida. They beat zombie, the zombie gators. They beat the crap out of the zombie gators. They did beat the crap out of the zombie gators. So if we're talking about the best performance, I think it's actually the Florida game. If we're talking about their best win, oh god this is so sad their best one is kentucky schedule you lose that extra one and just you don't have anything to fall back on so the um thing that is interesting and i know that they're home

but i've seen a lot of people saying that a three point loss is actually okay this week and they're three point loss to georgia if georgia is one of the three best teams in the country you could make the case that tennessee was was the better team on the field that day for the most part now not in the second half obviously but or when it mattered yeah yeah but if you're going to compare losses i think that they have no leg to stand on when you're comparing wins but if you're going to compare losses they're better there's the losses i have not talked to brooks austin about this i'm assuming this was just pure rage bait and he wasn't actually serious because you can't possibly be serious when you say that ball twitter's like a nat to a light

with that stuff man yeah yeah they love yeah they love it and i guess the prevailing i am i'm in the weeds the prevailing argument that i initially had reading this i've slept on it i don't believe it as much anymore but good content i guess um texas took overtime to be to be at mississippi state at kentucky they got the shit kicked out of them against florida tennessee did not need either of those so texas beat the crap out of oklahoma what he beat tennessee in neel stadium an injured john on the chair, though. He was injured when he played Tennessee, too. Not as bad.

Here's the part that we're missing. Texas needs a miracle to be considered. So, like, if you're, like, number one thing as a Tennessee fan is to scrutinize Texas, well, Texas might not even get in either. Like, they're probably not getting in either. So, like, it's part of the deal is, and I'm with River on this in that it is new that losses are being scrutinized at a higher level than they have in the past and wins seem to be emphasized less than they have in the past.

That said, you have to, I still think you have to have beaten somebody. So now this is the question, because if Tennessee does win on Saturday, you also have to take into account a top 15 win that they don't currently have. So, Vanderbilt won't be in the top 15 anymore. They won't. And Texas will have beaten them as well. So like that is, it's kind of like a dead end in every, in every direction.

but if it makes Tennessee fans feel better, Texas likely isn't going either. So, yeah. Okay, let's shift this to Vanderbilt. If Vanderbilt wins, I agree with you, Ari, that Vanderbilt is still going to have a hard time getting in, especially if Michigan beats Ohio State.

Because that just adds another layer on top of that that you're going to have to deal with. And like, I don't know how serious, I'm going back and forth on this. How seriously right now on November 25th is we headed into Thanksgiving, do we have to take into account that there is a chance that two big 12 teams will be in?

We still have to take it seriously because there's a chance that it is Texas Tech one loss against one loss, BYU, and BYU beats Texas Tech in the rematch. Now, if you watch the first game, it is a struggle to figure out how that might actually happen. but it is theoretically possible.

And I do think if that happened, they probably both get in because the committee loves Texas Tech. Yeah. So you have to probably get to the 10 spot. So in order to get in because you have the automatic qualifiers, and the G5 team. And I'm looking at it now when it's like at the end of the year, if Utah is a two-loss team, will Vanderbilt's win over Tennessee,

which will then probably vault Tennessee out of the top 25 be enough for them to even hop Utah. And then we're not even taking into account some of the other teams. What if Miami beats Pittsburgh and doesn't make the ACC title game? There is a path. I think Vanderbilt needs carnage. They need carnage. Can I ask you this question? Sure.

If Vanderbilt is 10 and 2 and is left out of the college football playoff, remember Clark Lee has interviewed for all these jobs. Mm-hmm. If you are Clark Lee, would that inspire you to leave your alma mater and take one of these jobs if they offer it to you? Yeah. It's really hard for me whenever we have the alma mater discussion. And so many of these coaches are in that window of like I coach at my alma mater. And I think the way to answer that question is like what actually is driving him to wake up every day.

Is it to win a national championship and be the best head coach ever or is it to revive a place that matters to him a lot? And I don't know the answer to that question for him. But if I were the head coach at Vanderbilt and Florida called me, and I had no connection to Vanderbilt, I would probably want to coach at Florida. I would probably want to coach. And they have and Auburn has. And now I don't know, I don't know where he sits in the pecking order in any of these. And we'll talk about that when we do the Who Gets the job segment a little bit. Can you see my hair right now, right?

It's wet, which means I recently was showering. And that means I was deep in thought. You want to know one of the thoughts that I had while I was in the shower? What's that? I think that we have leaned really heavy into, it's the NIL era. A lot of things have changed. Certain jobs are not as far apart from other jobs. And we've tried to and made, I think, salient points in trying to, you know,

bring Ole Miss and Florida closer together and maybe even a place like Vanderbilt and Ole Miss closer together because they're in the same conference. If they have the same resources, it should be fine. my question to myself is have we gone too far into that like are we try have we have we muddied the waters of what's a good job and what's a bad job so much that like we're overcorrecting like what should be obvious decisions like the fact that we are having this never ending long form discussion about lane kiffin and lSU like have we really gotten far enough down that I blame Lane Kiffin for that, because he keeps dragging it out.

As we're trying to talk through what Lane Kiffin may or may not be thinking, we're also trying to talk ourselves into the fact that Ole Miss is probably the same tier now as Florida in terms of jobs and in the same tier or even quasi tier as LSU. And like, I started thinking about it this morning. That's insane. Like, LSU is a top five job in America. And then the other question I have, too, is as the sport continues to go through this violent evolution, where revenue share is starting to come into play when it comes to

super leagues and all the things that could be down the pike in five to seven years, which is probably within the realm that a coach would view his future at a destination job like LSU. Is it possible that the new rules that we don't even know yet, or the new structure of the sport that we don't even know yet, is going to favor places like Florida and LSU in a way that Ole Miss can't currently conceive? So if you're a coach like Elaine Kiffin, who's trying to figure out what the next chapter of his life is, as he continues to use the book analogy, wouldn't you want to go to a place or envision a place that if there is a class division or if there is a super league, not that Ole Miss wouldn't be in it, but if there

was a super league, that LSU would be in position to be at the highest of highs when and if that change occurs. And like, I don't think that we've given that enough. Well, and Clark Leah would be in the same boat. Right. Because of that. Today. I get it. And also, I'm going to throw a little piece of news in here. This happened Monday. They changed the deadline for creating the new college football playoff format. It was December 1st.

Now they have until January 23rd. I still don't know if they're going to change it for next season. It might still be 12 teams. But the SEC wants 16 teams. The Big 10 wants 24 teams. That's wild, dude. If Sandy gets left out, though, the SEC is going to push really hard to get that 16 team thing through for next. year. Like, if a 10 and 2 Vandy gets left out, I guarantee you the SEC will put the full port

press on. When do we stop this shit? Because then if it gets to 16 and there's a 9 and 3 SEC team, they're going to be left out. It's never going to stop. You just have to fight. You have to pick the number you like and fight the fight. Yeah. The Big 10 is like ruining college football with that idea. Like they won't give up on it. And like even you will acknowledge that. that that's too much, right? I think 12 is where it should stop. I can live with 16 because it doesn't add a round, but I actually like 12.

I would prefer it stay at 12. Yeah. And there's probably a deeper discussion to have about whether or not the regular season gets watered down even more if you're not even rewarding teams with a buy. Like, if everybody has to play in the first round, then like, right? I think it's exclusive enough now.

Yeah. And you go too far the other way if you go too many more. That I want to acknowledge, you know, as we continue to engage in the Miami, Notre Dame or anybody else discourse about who might get left out, if Miami gets left out of the playoff, it's their fault. Like, like, I used to feel, like, I felt the only team that I've ever felt bad for being left out of the playoff was Florida State. Because they're the only one that did everything in their power in a power conference to get into the playoff. And they were left out because of their quarterback being injured.

But every other team, like if Miami gets left out as unjust as I believe personally, that should be for my principles of how the sport should work. It's still, they could have been looking in the mirror and figure out. SMU and they wouldn't have a problem. Yeah, exactly. All you had to do is win games against teams you should be better then and you didn't. So you have to look in the mirror for that. That said, before we get back into breaking down this game, Andy, I do want to say that as I've

engaged in conversations with you over the course of the past month about where teams are and where jobs are. And we've said things like, is Illinois is a better job than Florida State or is, you know, Purdue a better job than North Carolina? Like all these discussions that we've had, like, I think that I might have gone too far and agreeing with some of that stuff or pushing that stuff. Well, the other thing about Florida State or North Carolina is if there's a Super League, they're going to be in it. Right. So does the coach have to start positioning themselves? Because we're getting to the point now where seven to ten years is basically the life of your.

contract or the life of what you expect to be when you're making even if you're successful yeah exactly yeah if you're making a coaching decision though do you have to start considering is the team that I'm going to going to be in the super league or not like is that something that like let's save this for the who gets the job yeah after this let's pick this game and then we're going to go to who gets the job and we can talk about that all right so Vanderbilt Tennessee Tennessee is favored Vegas is trying to tell us something here This is not just because Vandy's ranked higher doesn't mean anything, you know,

and the two and a half point spread with Tennessee being the home team means Vandy by half a point on a neutral field. So basically pick them. Who you got? Oh, man. I think Tennessee is really good, dude. Like, I know we just got done dumping on them a little bit in terms of their resume. But this is going to be a really hard thing.

And I'm currently writing a column that's going to run on Thanksgiving Day about A&M's need to win that game. And I'm wondering if this has, if that mirrors this a little bit, where you have an atypical program that hasn't had a ton of success, who's in a position where they could be playing for a playoff spot, but is building a program. Getting to 10 wins for Vanderbilt through Knoxville would be a huge exclamation point on, You know, and you know how I am with feelings and statements. Like I, I buy into that. I buy into what that would mean for Vanderbilt's program. And whether you make the playoff or not, it's a huge deal. If you collect win number 10 at Neeland Stadium, yes.

Because that's the team that has been in your state that, you know, has owned the rivalry. I mean, has it even been really a rivalry or has it been like a, you know, we have to play this other power team in the state that doesn't really account for any. Like, I think that this would be massive. So I want to take Tennessee at home because it's less than a fuel goal and it's hard to play in Knoxville. And I know that Tennessee fans are going to be fired up because you don't want, you know, quote unquote, little brother to come in and put you on a locker.

But I think that this game means everything to Vanderbilt. I think Vanderbilt's a very good team. I think Diego Pavia is a dog. I'm going to take two and a half points. So I picked Florida just because of the history. of Tennessee at Florida, and that made me look incredibly stupid. I severely underestimated how well Tennessee would play in that game.

I'm not going to underestimate them again. Give me the vols to win and cover and break everybody's heart, and I don't think it'll create a should Tennessee get in the playoff at 10 and 3 argument, but it will be a nice cherry on top at the end of this season, which, if you recall, when Nico left, we're like, oh, are they going to go seven and five? I think people would have said nine and three sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, and I think you have to take two seconds to at least acknowledge that

Josh Heipel is really good at his job. Yes, he is. I know that they didn't make the playoff, and I'm sure that there are some Tennessee fans who are frustrated or disappointed by the way that this season went. But if you transport us back to that two-week period where we were like a Nico non-stop discussion mode, and you would have said, hey, Tennessee, you can go nine and three with Joey Aguilar, a quarterback.

is that like an instant like accept for them or do you just absolutely you know 100% he's done a great job so and like this might turn out to look like florida a little bit but the one thing i would push back on in that comparison as somebody who actually hit tennessee in real life for a ton of money on saturday um vanderbilt is so much better than florida so like i think that this isn't this isn't just uh this isn't just like a fun little story comes into like vanderbilt won nine games this year. And, you know, I think has shown that it can be competitive. And frankly speaking, had Diego Pavia and I turned the ball over a few times against Alabama, could have won that game. So, um, you know, I think that conventional, this is going to be a really fun

quarterback matchup between Diego Pov and Joey Aguilar. I'm excited. I'm here for it. So you're on Vandy. I'm on Tennessee. Saturday 3.30 p.m. Eastern time in Knoxville on ESPN. And as you pointed out on Monday show, Andy, I took a bunch of minuses. I had to take a plus in there somewhere. right. I couldn't lay more points. It's funny, you take the plus on the one that's on the road underdog. On the road. Yeah, well, I just, I needed to take a dog.

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We're going to look at the coaching carousel. Well, let's do three schools. Let's do LSU, Florida, and Penn State. And LSU and Florida are related, so we'll do those back to back. And Penn State is, we feel like they're fishing from a little bit different pond, but there may be some crossover there too. But let's start with LSU. Let's start with LSU, Ari.

LSU fires Brian Kelly, depending on who you ask. several weeks ago or last week, but Brian Kelly's gone. They need a new coach. They are heavy, heavy into trying to get Lane Kiffin. As of last Friday night, everybody and their mother assumed that Lane Kiffin was going to LSU.

Now, I'll point out that the previous Friday, everybody and their mother assumed he was going to Florida. There also still is the possibility he stays at Ole Miss. so let's talk about the job itself and then the lane kiffin of it all and then if lane kiffin doesn't pick ls u what happens so let's talk about the job right now because you wanted we were talking earlier in the show about did we overthink this a little bit i think we did yeah um lsu was a top five job in college football i know if the times have changed i know um it's easier to compete at non-traditional places, but if you are a climber, if you are a person who

wants to work at the place, I also think that there's a difference between the ability to build something or the ability to compete with these teams and being that team, right? Just because Ole Miss can compete with LSU now, doesn't mean that they are LSU. Do you see the difference I'm making there? I do. And like, Lane Kiffin had this wonderful documentary. about, you know, all the ways he's changed and the lessons that he's learned and there was these pictures of him leaning against the wall as he left Tennessee and Oakland and the Raiders

and all this stuff. And frankly speaking, I don't know if it's possible or it is possible, but I guess like I don't think that it's impossible to change as a human while not changing the fabric of who you are, which is he's a climber. He's been a climber his entire life, hasn't he? Yeah. You know, so, you know, I don't. know that I think that Ole Miss is a wonderful job. I think that Ole Miss can win a national title, maybe as soon as this year. I don't know. They are a really good team and they have proven for two years in a row now that they were

able to get enough good players to be considered to be in that. And I think that as long as those rules stay the way that they are now, that'll continue to be the case. But Ole Miss's ceiling is LSU's expectation. And I think when that happens, you are going to have financial advantages. You're going to have geographical advantages and you're going to have administrative and fan support advantages that just don't exist at these other places. So if you're going to put me on the spot right now and say, hey, where do you think Lane Kiffin is going to go or why do you think Lane Kiffin would go? It's because, you know, it's the nicest house in the nicest neighborhood.

You can buy a house in a nice neighborhood and renovate it and make it awesome, but it's still not going to be the mansion down. the street. I think that LSU was the mansion down the street. And I think LSU would speak to Lane Kiffin on that level. So my guess, Brett McBurphy texted a bunch of people yesterday and has been asking around, I'm sure you got the text, too, of, you know, I know nobody knows what's going to happen, but if you had to make a guess of who LSU, what Lane Kiffin is going to do, then I'm very excited to see the results of what he got when he did, because he's really good at those polls. But I said LSU. My guess was if Lane Kiffin would go to LSU yesterday. It's really interesting because if you boil it down to its component parts,

it seems like that would be the decision. Now, I think that not being able to coach Ole Miss in the playoff would tug at me a little bit. It would tug me toward Ole Miss and staying a little bit. But, yeah, if you're saying who puts you the closest to winning a national title, three of the last four LSU coaches have won the national title. Like, that is a fact. Lane Kiffin would know what he wants to do. I think you'd probably see Ed Orgeron returning to LSU in some role if he takes the job.

You know, Scott Woodward doesn't work there anymore, so I don't think that would be a problem. I think Lane would know exactly who to have on the staff. He's worked in this environment before. He knows the recruiting landscape down there. He knows who recruits well down there. the question I have, and this is not to say that he shouldn't take the job. You know, Lane's been pretty reliant on the transfer portal at Ole Miss. At LSU, you need to be more reliant on high school recruiting.

Do you think he would be? And do you think the reliance on the transfer portal at Ole Miss is because it's harder to recruit at high school at Ole Miss? Now, I point out that they did get, they'd gotten good players at high school to Ole Miss, like Quinn John Judkins, who didn't wind up staying at Ole Miss, was an out-of-high-school signee that they found. Yeah. Well, the question you have to answer, and maybe he's the only one, it was the strategy at Ole Miss what it was because it was viewed as a necessity, or is that the way he prefers

it? You know, correct. Like, that's always the, you know, chicken egg situation there. It's like, well, if you go to LSU and you have 10, five-star players or 10 top 150 players in your state that are dying to play for you every year, like, that's a layup. Like, you know, like, who's not taking the layup? is he going to drive to the basket with a with a clear ability to lay the ball in and then kick it out or is he just going to lay it in um so like to me i think that he would like that's why lSU is one of the top five jobs in america it's not just the stadium size the fan buy in and how much it means to people down there it's the fact that you already have half your recruiting class finished every year before everyone else is starting which then frees up more time to go do the other things that you need to do which is big time out of state prospects transfer portal and you know man your program.

So, and Ohio State has that same advantage. You need to. Like, that's the, and like, Lane Kiffin has done a remarkable job. But when you're talking about the amount of money that it's going to take to get this done, doing it with somebody who has never really illustrated the ability on National Signing Day to stand toe to toe

with the teams that LSU was expected to beat is kind of scary. Now, I had those same thoughts about Kaelin Nabor, and he's been recruiting his ass off. So Kailen DeBore never signed a top 200 player in his entire career when he took the Alabama job, and they're doing just fine. So, you know, I think he would do that because it's there, and who wouldn't want good high school players?

Who would? Exactly. That's why I brought it up, because I really don't think that's an issue. I think that's one that people are going to bring up, because of his history recruiting at Ole Miss. But I think, to your point, that's more out of necessity. I think if he was at LSU or Florida, his high school recruiting would be pretty awesome.

Yeah. And who's the perfect candidate that checks every box? Like there's going to be an inherent thing that scares you in every single decision. I mean, Lane Kiffin's the candidate that checks every box at LSU, Florida, and obviously to stay at Ole Miss. So he is the goal for all of these schools. Has he signed a top 10 class in his career, though? He hasn't, right? USC has.

Was he a top 10 class at USC? I believe he would. Yeah. I think he had a couple. That makes me feel better about what we're talking about. Yeah. So let's just posit, what if he stays at Ole Miss? What if he picks Florida?

If you are LSU and suddenly you've, got to you've got to move down the list of candidates who would you be looking at well you didn't answer the question for what you before you go did what did you say to brett i think i said ls you too okay because the one thing that we have to acknowledge before we move on what is it pavlov's law what do you say that pavlofflaw's dog dog that might not be the right thing but the right expression andy bear with me here pavlov's dog is the one where he he would ring a bell and feed the dog and ring a bell and feed the dog and ring a bell and feed the dog

and then he took the food away and then when he rang the bell the dog still salivated. Okay, that's not at all what I was getting at as you can imagine because I'm an idiot. Are you talking about Schrodinger's cat?

I'm going to tell you the thing and then you tell me which one it is. Okay. Okay. All right. The shortest or the most likely scenario is often what you get. What is that? Occup's Razor.

Occam's Razor, that's right. Pavlov's dogs, you know, we got there. Look at that. My dumb ass and your brains, we finally got there. I think the Occam's razor here, based on the way the two jobs are situated, based on where LSU stands in the pantheon of coaching jobs, and Lane Kiffin's behavior all point to that. Like there's, you know, unless he's, like, you keep saying he's a weirdo.

He is a weird, he's a weird Pavlov, hat. I don't know what you want to call them. It's a thing like, like was this 40 chess or is this just obvious what's going to happen? Sometimes we overthink the plot. I've lost a lot of games. Or maybe he's always wanted to coach Florida and he picks Florida. Like you still have to with with human beings, you still have to consider these things. So in the event that he picks something else, who would your next call be to? Because I know who mine would be. Is yours Eli Drinkwitz? I do think there would be a call to Eli Drinkwitz.

I think Eli Drinkwitz is on their list. My next call will be Kenny Dillingham. Yes. Yeah, and you've been on record saying that quite a bit. I should have said that. That makes sense to me. I think the fact that he's kind of done it two years in a row makes me feel better. Because a lot of times when coaches catch lightning in a bottle,

and he spoke about this at Big 12 Wheatier Day that we were at earlier in the year of like, sometimes teams pop up and they've got really good years. Then the next year they stink and they go back into relative obscurity. And that was the number one battle that he was facing. And it's like, ASU got dealt a pretty crappy ham this year with some of the injuries. He's winning games without Sam Levitt right now. He's winning games with Jeff Sims.

Like the guy knows what he's doing. And I also, he had such a tear down to deal with when he got there. Like the fact that he got them not just competitive quickly, he got them to be the best in their league very quickly is a big deal so do you think what you would do in the call that you would make

and the call that LSU will make if they don't get Lane Kiffin are different what do you think they're going to do I do think that's a call now Eli Drenkowitz and Kenny Dillingham have the same agent so it's probably a call to that agent

Like, which are your guys wants this job more? Which do we like better? Yeah. And, you know, LSU's going to say which one they like better, and that's who the target will be. And there are other, there are going to be other people involved too. But I think Drinkwitz is one that people would definitely want to talk to. Yeah. Yeah.

Because, like, we get so fixated on what is going to happen with Lane. But the contingency plans haven't really been discussed all that much. And, like, I don't even know, like, what LSU's contingency plan really is. Yeah. And they, they, I'm sure they've got one, just like I'm sure Florida's got one. They've been talking to people all along. It's not like they, the only talk to Lane Kiffin. And that's what I want to point out with LSU and Florida that everybody has been talking to everybody.

So there, there is a contingency in place, but. I also think LSU can attract pretty much anybody. Yeah. Like there's a reason they got Brian Kelly out of Notre Dame. I don't think they're going to get like Marcus Freeman's not leaving for them.

Ryan Day is not leaving. Kirby Smart's not leaving. But I do think they're this, they're the one out of this bunch that if there was a surprise, like if they didn't get Lane Kiffin, there was a surprise like,

oh, we didn't know he was looking for a job. Like that would be... I think LSU as a place could make a eight out of ten coach feel like one of the best coaches in college football. Right. That is what, like that's why Jimmy Sexton and company are working so hard and telling Lane Kiffin that if you're going to leave LSUV you probably is the better spot. Because Florida, it's my alma mater. I love it. But Florida has won national titles with Hall of Fame coaches and Hall of Fame coaches only.

And Florida's only had sustained success with Hall of Fame coaches. LSU hasn't necessarily needed Hall of Fame coaches to do that. And I think that's the difference. And I also think they're coaching search a lower leverage situation. And I almost feel like they're making, they might not be, and it might work out, but it's just like, does LSU actually need to participate in this bidding war? Does LSU need to have Lane Kiffin? I think that, like, John Summerall would do just fine there.

Oh, I see, I think John Summerall would actually do great at any of these jobs. But it's like how much would it cost to get John. We're not talking about the Auburn job, which is the one we think he's going to take. So could they pay John Summerall nine million and he would just walk there? Yes. So when you think about the financial investment that it goes, that goes into getting a coach that's never won a power conference before. what's a better use of your money?

What's a better gamble? What's a better bet? Like, I honestly think if I were up to me, I would hire John Summerall for $9 million over Lane Kiffin for 15. Interesting. I don't think anybody in the LSU fan base would agree with you on that. No, sure. I mean, because everybody is lacked.

And this is the thing that everybody's made mistakes with. Texas A&M made this mistake with Jimbo Fisher. You go out and you get the guy that you've heard of. You go out and get the guy that everybody's talking about. because it legitimizes you as a program that you're the one that they chose. But making a splash on your opening day press conference isn't nearly as important as making a functional hire. The difference between Lane and Jimbo Fisher, though, is Jimbo Fisher had won a national title. Lane's still trying to get there.

Yeah. So the odds of Lane just packing it up because he got a big God contract, pretty slim. And my point isn't that Lane is going to pack it up. And I don't know how to have this conversation without it sounding like I'm, dismissing him in his accomplishments because I certainly respect this is not a lane kiff in conversation you were having a more like I get your point it's a more broadway's point that the the next great one may not be the person you're thinking like when Oregon needed to replace Mario Cristobal they went and hired George's defensive coordinator I don't know that

that most Oregon fans before he was hired knew who Dan Lanning was but now they are so happy they have him. Yeah, it reminds me of like NFL fans who are watching the NFL draft. And you know how they zoom in on those people who go to the draft and they pick a player that like, they pick an offensive lineman and they've ever heard of. It's like, and then they're all like, oh, what the hell? And it's like at the number two spot in the, you know, the Cleveland Browns, like Miles Garrett. And everyone's like, why didn't we get a quarterback? It's like, what? Well, it worked out. And I think the Browns were the worst possible example because all their draft picks suck. I mean, Miles Garrett's been awesome, but I'm saying, like, just be, don't get caught up in the excitement.

Like, drafting Miles Garrett was not as exciting as drafting Johnny Mansell, but what draft pick worked out better. Like, you don't have to go sign Johnny Mansell as your coach to make a functional hire. That's my only point. And, like, Lane Kiffin is the flavor of the month, and he's earned that. And I don't doubt that he's going to be good wherever he goes because he's illustrated that he's been good, very good at Ole Miss. So my only point is that I think that everybody gets fixated on one candidate in every cycle. And how many times has that one candidate been the truth? Who are all the other candidates that, you know, have been in similar situations where eight teams want him and he's the guy that have actually panned out at their next place?

Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, that's pretty much the list. Yeah, and I guess Jim Harbaugh, but it took six years. Right, right. Yeah. But, you know, like if you're looking at, you're looking at it. around of the top 10 coaching coaches in college football, all of them were coordinators for the most part first. Yeah. I mean, Davo was a receiver's coach. So yeah. Mike, yeah, one of the few ones that was a head coach and he was a head coach that you had

never heard of unless you were an A&M fan. Yeah. Now, it's, it's so interesting how the dynamics of this work. But again, with Lane, I don't think it's a Jimbo situation. So I think if you're Florida LSU and you get Lane, you're not worried about you gave him all this money and he's just going to be like, ah, I'm good. That's not going to happen. My only point. Because he still wants to win a national title. If you're number one qualification or your number one motive when making a coaching hire is to make your fans excited because they know who that person is, you're doing it wrong. I agree.

I don't think, look, I say this a lot and I say this to ADs. The goal is to win games, not to win press conferences. So if you think you're going to win games with this person, then by all means, now the thing is with Lane Kiffin, I think you will win press conference and game. Yeah, I think that's $15 million. Exactly. Ari, let's talk about another school that wants Lane Kiffin. But first, we've got to talk about Omaha steaks.

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Omaha Steaks.com, the code is Andy and Ari, A&D, Y, A&D, A-N-R-I. All right, all right. Let us go to Florida. still looking for coach it's as we're recording this i'm about an hour removed from getting a text from somebody at florida feeling a lot better about lane kiffin today and i just texted back great i love this stuff so much because the way this has worked with florida is a couple fridays ago everybody at florida thought they were getting lane kiffin they were ready to roll they they were planning you know they were planning the press conference

but they were kind of envisioning what it looked like. They were thinking of Lane, son, Knox, playing for Buholtz High, which is actually where Knox's mom went to high school. They were thinking about all this stuff. And then a week later, all the LSU people were sure that they were getting Lane. Yeah. The Ole Miss people still holding out hope that they're going to keep Lane, though I feel like the Ole Miss people are starting to,

to sour on this whole thing yeah yeah go ahead i think that there is a certain point too where it's just like okay just go i think people get to that point so here's the thing we just got through talking about ls u and we talked about all the advantages the lsu job has obviously the florida job has certain advantages as well you can win national titles there steve spurier did urban mire did As I said, when we're talking LSU, the difference between Florida and LSU is to have sustained success as Florida, you've really needed to be a Hall of Fame coach. Now, perhaps Lane Kiffin is a Hall of Fame coach. Perhaps he fancies himself one. We do know that he grew up worshipping Steve Spurrier, would like to be a Steve Spurier type coach.

Is the closest thing college football has right now to Steve Spurier when he was. at his, you know, at the peak of his powers. And that's where I, I keep telling people, be careful assuming anything with Lane Kiffin here. And I also include staying at Ole Miss in this, this mix here too. Because I think everybody now is assuming in LSU, he's going to LSU. It may be that he's just always wanted to be the Florida coach and he picks Florida. Yeah. And that would make sense to me.

it's not like you can't win a national title at florida you can yeah i would have loved to see steve spurrier with the twitter machine though that would have been electric oh my god and you know knowing coach a little bit like he likes to workshop his jokes before he he runs him out there okay and so getting the the the raw uncut hate nasty spurrier jokes without having them workshoped to to a few different assistants on twitter would be spectacular spectacular um okay but the conversation is so did you tell me what you guessed with mcmurphy i did i said ls year okay so let's work off that if let's assume that lane is not going to florida for the sake of the argument okay you live in gainsville where do we go from there and

let me let me ask you one before you answer that is jed fish somebody's name that should be higher up in this conversation. I am glad you mentioned that because that is the name I was about to mention. Okay. Jedfish, Florida grad. He's at Washington. They're an eight-win team right now.

Now, part of that is the Big Ten's schedule draw that they got, but he had a complete rebuild there. He obviously did a complete rebuild at Arizona. The hard part with Jed Fish is he has a $10 million buyout to get him out of Washington, which I think

some might think is prohibitive. Listen, if you're willing to spend all this money on Lane Kiffin, Jedfish is going to be cheaper than Lane Kiffin. Everybody we're going to talk about is going to be cheaper than Lane Kiffin in the long run. So that's not the issue. Jetfish would love the Florida job, has always wanted to be the Florida coach. He wears a visor. He wears a visor.

He'll talk some shit. Probably not as much as Lane. But I do think, I think he's one that would get a call. John Somerall is one that they've already been talking to a little bit at Tulane. Eli Drinkwitz is one that I think they'd be talking to. Eli Drinkwitz is the one that when you bring his name up, the fan base, you see their faces turned down and they frown and they hate it. I don't really get that because this is a guy who recruits his ass off

and seems to do everything he can to put his prox. in the most advantageous position, like lobbied the state legislature to change laws so he could sign better players at Missouri and wins games at a higher clip than Missouri is supposed to win games and recruits better than Missouri is supposed to recruit. I feel like Eli has been your candidate from the beginning. Like if you were in charge. Not really because like I would take like Jetfish or Eli Drinkwitz, I think would both do very well.

Like what, what Jedfish did at Arizona? I don't think people appreciate enough. Like that first full cycle recruiting class he signed to Arizona They had Noah Fafita and Teddoroa McMillan And a bunch of other players who were going to play in the NFL Was a master stroke And it was a lot of high school recruiting It wasn't portal stuff

Yeah And so I actually think both those guys Would get the job and then Bring a lot of talent to Gainesville Mm-hmm So I don't think you lose either way there. I think both of them could do the job well. I think Somerall could do the job well. I think they would be, it would be hard for them to hire another group of five coach after

Billy Napier. But you know me. I hate the whole, we can't hire the guy that's like the last guy we hired. Everybody's different. Every situation is different. Like there's a reason Auburn's all over John Summerall. There's a reason if Lane leaves Ole Miss, they're going to be all over John Summerall. Yeah. So, he's a handsome man. That helps. He's a handsome man.

He's a handsome man helps. Well, listen, understanding the league, understanding the environment you're in also helps. John Summerall played it, Kentucky. He's been an assistant in Ole Miss. You know, he won two Sundalt titles at Troy, which you're saying, oh, that's not a big. No, it's being in the middle of the recruiting area where you're going to have to recruit and getting the best players for your level. It's understanding that,

which same is Tulane. Same thing with Tulane. So I would think one of those three, but let me throw another name in there. Clark Lee. Okay. And that's how we got off onto this already. And I think he would be a,

like I mean, when we had him on the show and he was talking about how they fixed up Vanderbilt from, you know, like the way they gutted it inside out. And, you know, we're plowing the sidewalks themselves and, you know, teaching them out of stretch, all those things, I think is great. And if you are willing to do that type of work, going to a place that doesn't need nearly. Right.

If you keep a lot of this Florida roster together from this year, you're going to start in a pretty good place. Yeah. It's like somebody who remodeled and demoed and remodeled an entire home. you would hire that person to remodel your case. Now, can I tell you the one question I would ask Clark Lee if I were Scott Strickland? What's that? Are you bringing Jerry Kill? So for those who don't know, Jerry Kill is the former New Mexico State head coach.

He also was the Northern Illinois head coach. He was the Minnesota head coach. Jerry Kill is one of the best football coaches in the world. He has a seizure disorder that made it very hard for him to keep working as a head coach. And he had to leave Minnesota because. of it. He ended up retiring at New Mexico State, even though he was working miracles there. So he was the one and he, you know, he brought their offensive coordinator, Tim Beck. Tim Beck was the guy they hired at Vanderbilt from New Mexico State to be the O.C.

That connection brought them Diego Pavia. Jerry Kill came and Jerry Kill is a very active part of that coaching staff. If Clarkley's bringing Jerry Kill with him, ride. let's ride yeah and you know one way that you can remember who jerry kill was is he is often confused with the minnesota coach who was eating a dilly bar in the snow remember that it was not it was not but people think it was yeah um yeah that's a good question yeah it's the question i'd like it it it would be a very important question that i need the answer to because as good of a job as clark lee has done at vanderbilt jerry kill has been there for all the good stuff.

Yeah. He's been there for the turnaround. So I want to know if he's coming about James Franklin a little bit because James Franklin did what he's doing at Vanderbilt before it was easier to do it. Mm-hmm. Agreed. But yeah. No, anybody who has gotten more out of less, I think is a good candidate, especially

because Florida isn't a disaster. No. And that's the thing. So you've got to decide if you want to keep DJ Lagway, which is a strange that we're having that conversation because a year ago would have been like, of course you're going to keep DJ. Yeah, like you even want to at this point

isn't interesting. I think most coaches would. I think most coaches look at DJ Lagway and go, I can fix that. Yeah. Give me those tools. Let me fix him. And I think most of the coaches

who would be involved in this search would say that. I think Lane Kiffin would say that. Yep. So we shall see. I don't want to, it's a hard to like I don't think I can pick one I don't think I can say this is who's going to be Florida's coach because I still think they're in it for Kiffin I don't think

Kiffin has ruled them out yet yeah Jed's a friend of the program so that'd be good if he moved down the street from you well and he's he's also I mean just a he loves his alma mater loves his alma mater and I'd be curious you know we've talked to Jed about this you know, his college roommate and one of his best friends in the world is Howie Roseman, who's the best GM in football. He's the Philadelphia Eagles GM. Would Howie help Jed get a GM at Florida that kind of helps usher them into the new era? Because that's a big question. Like with Lane, one of the things that may have spooked Lane a little bit is Florida was talking to GM candidates and it was all former NFL guys. And now when they realized that was going to be a problem.

for Lane because Lane wants to bring his own person he wants to handle you know personnel he does not want to have someone parallel to him on the org chart they said oh no never mind never mind but I actually think Jed would be more comfortable with that because she has worked in the NFL yeah and also one other selling point that Florida has that Washington might not is that Florida's campus is nowhere near an at the volcano. Jets is not worried about that. We asked him.

I know. He's not concerned about the volcano. Yeah. But we get hurricanes. So there's that. Are we going to wrap this thing around? Because there's one question that we have to answer here, Andy. Okay.

Sure. Which is if Ole Miss is going to do the ultimatum thing. Uh-huh. And not allow Lane Kiffin to coach. Which I think is happening. Yeah. Off their nose to spite their face. Who does that mean that they're going to be able to get?

Because if you're going to kick your coach out of your playoff run, it better be. Well, that's not going to prevent them. Every coach is going to look at what Ole Miss has done from a personnel standpoint. The system they have set up with Walker Jones and the Grove Collective, and they're going to want to go there. I know. But if you're doing it from a timing aspect, because your whole thing is, well, oh miss has to have an answer or you know well i think they would go after john somerall which would

really affect the auburn search because i think john somerl and auburn are headed for a you know they're headed for a union here but here's the thing with johns because remember john somerl might also be in the playoff but the difference is if you're going from toulane to an cc school you can be the coach in waiting at the cc school and coach in the playoff yeah you can't do it if you're going to another cc school yeah yeah Although I think you could do it if we could all just be adults in the room. No, you can't be adults because you'd have to be recruiting guys on your roster to your new school at the time. Wouldn't care.

Yeah, that's why you're not an AD. I know. I wouldn't care because I'd want to win a national title or put my team in the best position to accomplish it. But you wouldn't work that way. It would be the dynamics would be weird. There's a reason if you talk to ADs, not one of them would say, I'll let him coach. Yeah. It just would stink to be worse because you let him go, miss out on an opportunity that you're desperate to have again

because you're worried about the future instead of the present. That's all. That's just like the way I view it. It's your job. I worry about the program and the future of the program matters too. So, all right, all right, before we get to Penn State, I want to show you a couple things. Oh, yeah. Look at these babies.

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I think he's going to be good. Yeah, I think they need to get some more pieces around him, but they're going to be able to do that. But I think we're realizing that the situation he got thrown into is tough, but I think he's going to be a good NFL quarterback. Watching, it's so funny because we always talk about in the pros, like, oh, if you have it, you have it. It's like, well, Bryce Young looks a lot better with T-Mack, Xavier Leggett, and Rico Doudal running the way he's been running. You know, you put some pizzas around somebody and make them more. Well, Tedro-McMillan's awesome, too. He's been really good.

He had a couple drops last night, but. Yeah. No, he's a pro-border. So, yeah. Yeah, this is going to be, there's a lot of really exciting young players, but the fact that they've got these college players. And that, that's the most exciting thing to me is, like, I love, like, just looking at Tyler Warren. in his Penn State uniform makes me think of when they lined him up

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it's been really quiet. And I think they've probably done a good job of keeping a lot of leaks out. But this is the job, I think, is the most pressure of any of the jobs because Brian Kelly did not give LSU what they wanted. Obviously, Billy Napier didn't give Florida what he wanted. Hugh Freeze didn't give Auburn what they wanted.

Dave Franklin made the CFP semis last year. He won 13 games. You better win quick here. So before we, as we get into this, I want to ask you the one thing that is like been floating around Twitter and that there's like a lot of people who are like convinced of this, that Kalin DeBore is a cat. candidate for Penn State. Okay, yes. Let's clear this up now. I've made phone calls on this at the end of

last week. I've got no indication that Kalin-Dabor has any interest in the Penn State job. Maybe if he lost to Auburn, maybe that situation changes, but I'll tell you right now the people at Alabama who matter, the people who make decisions at Alabama love Kalin-de-Bore. Even if he loses the Iron Bowl, they're not going to stop loving him. They want him to stay there for a long time. I don't think Kalin-Abor is leaving. Okay. I just wanted to clear that up. Yes. So where does your compass lead you in this discussion? This one's hard for me,

but I've been saying the same thing for the last couple of weeks. And it's this. If Bob Chesney, who's the current James Madison head coach, had already moved on to be the Syracuse or the Boston College coach, then you would be, there wouldn't have been any debate. He'd already be there. Or you would already have a deal kind of, you know, framework of a deal in place and just waiting for a season to announce it. But I don't think that's the case.

I don't think, I know they've talked to him, but I don't think he's necessarily the number one candidate, though I think he probably should be. So I'm not sure exactly where they are in their pecking order. But for those who don't know Bob Chesney's background, if you're looking for someone, who has had a background similar to Kurt Signetti. It's the guy who succeeded Kurt Signetti. It's not just because he's at James Madison now. It's because Bob Chesney went, D3 head coach, D2 head coach, FCS head coach, FBS head coach.

And he succeeded at all of the places that he's been. So, you know, he was at Salve Regina was D3, Assumption, D2, Holy Cross, FCS, James Madison, FBS. He's probably going to win the Sunbelt this year. He's won, you know, he was a three-time Patriot League coach of the year at Holy Cross. He was a two-time New England 10 coach of the year at Assumption. So, like, this is a guy like Signetti who succeeded at every level. Mm-hmm.

Love that. And it's actually shown to translate. And I know people are just like, oh, well, they're, But coaches who win, win. Here's another one that I wanted to throw out. He's also, before I put it, he's also an expert in the geographic area that Penn State gets most of its players from. Yes. Pat Fitzgerald.

I don't think he's going to get it. You want to know why? Why? Let's look at Pat Fitzgerald's last two years at Northwestern. They were bad. You don't have to look it up. I know. Yeah, the goal is to win games in the Big Ten.

He was not. David Braun is performing better at Northwestern than Pat Fitzgerald was at the end. If you look at Pat Fitzgerald's output in five of the last seven years that he was Northwestern's head coach, this is before the NIL era, and this is before you could get players to come into your program. He was getting more out of less at a rate that no one else in college football, doing it and he sustained that success for a three or four year period so if you want to talk about guys who have squeezed every last drop out of the towel he has done it and he didn't do it once or twice he did it like four years in a row so i i will i will push back on your your last

you know five the last seven so they went three and nine in twenty nineteen they went seven and two in 2020 but i think we can pretty much throw out any result from the pandemic year how many times did they go to the Big Ten championship under his leadership? Was it two or three? Twice. Twice. Okay. And he was doing it at a time. One of those was 2020, which doesn't count. Yeah. I think he's a good. 2018 definitely counts. Yeah. They were, I mean, the fact that they were in it at once, you know, but they were a, they were a pretty good team consistently. Like, I think he's a really good coach. I'd put him at Stanford in a heartbeat. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, somebody who's already navigated a high academic institution.

I just like, that's somebody who I think is going to be a surprising can't. Is he going to be a head coach in college football somewhere next year? I would hope so, but I don't know if he's going to. Yeah. Who else for Penn State? Clark Lee. They are interviewing. I would ask Clark Lee the same question at Penn State that I would ask him at Florida.

Are you bringing Jerry Kiel? Did you see? Yeah. Did you see that Terry Smith, the interim head coach right now who Penn State is actually playing pretty well for, is going to be interviewed? I think Terry Smith is a legitimate candidate for this job. Yeah. What did you think of the 409 pin that he won? I don't care.

Yeah. I just thought it was an interesting. You're not going to grab me of that argument. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting maneuver is all I'm saying, because you're trying to get attention from Joe Paul loyalists. Well, also, I know this is a fun and interesting. show but there's a dark alley to go down on that one so yeah i'm not getting into that argument sure you want to get the joe bots on your side congratulations great yeah but that's what's

happening there too so um yeah who else producer river wants to to explain the 409 joe paterno won 4009 games yeah uh he had some of them vacated by the NCAA so people are saying that the vacating of the wins was not legitimate and then he'd won for and yes we all know we won 409 games. Is that good? Yeah. And you know how it ended. We don't have to go down. Yeah. Yep. But, you know, I just thought it was an interesting maneuver for somebody who's trying, if you're talking about the Penn State job, I don't think it would have been responsible to at least not acknowledge it that he did that. Right. So, and he's interviewing reportedly. Oh, yeah. Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to drag it. I'm trying to think of anybody else who, who fits

the profile, because this is one, like, we always thought this would be one that maybe Matt Campbell might leave Iowa State for. Yeah. And I heard Matt Campbell's name in another search, and it didn't make any sense because it was the Arkansas search. And I'm like, well, Matt Campbell's not going to leave Iowa State for Arkansas when he's had all these other opportunities. Yeah. But like Penn State, yeah, you could understand that. And I think he would do really well there. This is one I don't know if they've talked to him, if they're interesting. Oh, here's one that I do believe they've talked to that I think's really interesting, that I think is a really good coach who, if he got the job, would do really well,

but probably is not one that a lot of people have thought about. You ready? Kalani Sataki. Yeah. You know how I feel about Kalani. Kalani Sadaghi is a hell of football coach. Yeah. Hell of a coach.

He's a BYU. for those if you don't know he's at b yu they have very much outpunched their own weight uh it's a hard job at b yu the recruiting piece of it's hard and it's interesting because i think people thought oh he's not movable he's happy there because that's his alma mater too yes yeah i don't necessarily think it's it's not because he's unhappy but i think there's a ceiling at b yu and penn state ceiling is considerably higher. I think Killani would like to be involved in the search for some of these jobs.

And I think if he got one of them, he'd be good at it. I do wonder, too, how much, and maybe if this is something that you've been, like, you know, at BYU, in going there and living it and being a coach there for as long as he's been. He's been the coach there since, like, 2015, right?

2016. Yes, it's Bronco Mendenhall left for Virginia. Which, by the way, Bronco Mendenhall was great there. And he left for Virginia because he just wanted to try something different. Yeah. It's just a different recruiting environment. It's a different everything.

Yeah. Living in a world where your contingent on that honor code would be hard to navigate. And let's not forget. They're sitting there with one loss, still in the mix for the big 12 title. Like if they beat UCF, they're going to the big 12 title game, still in the mix for the college football playoff. They had to, well, they were going to kick him off the team. But they were going to suspend their starting quarterback for. seven games for violating the honor code, which this particular violation would not have gotten

him suspended at any other FBS school. Yeah. They start a true freshman. They're still winning like this. That's how good a coach this guy is. Great coach. One other curveball candidate that I think is kind of popular in message board culture, I don't know how real it is or how likely it is, but Brian Hartline is somebody that moves the needle

for them. I'm fascinated by that because, again, Brian Hartline, offensive coordinator at Ohio State, is the best receivers coach in the world. Like, that's not hyperbole. Is Ohio State's ace recruiter? Is potentially ready for a head coaching job? This is the kind of assistant you'd want to hire who can get you great players and build a culture. If you're going to hire an assistant, this is how you do it.

He has been at Ohio State long enough. both as a player, but now most recently as a coach to know how the sausage is made to. I was reading the Letterman Road board, and they're like, do you think he'd tarnish his Ohio State legacy by taking the Penn State job? Come on.

It doesn't tarnish his Ohio State. Ohio State job isn't open. He wants to be a head coach. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of part of the deal, though. I mean, you will, you know, you take that job understanding, that, you know, we had this conversation about Luke Fickle when he was the hot candidate and whether or not he would ever go coach at Michigan during the Jim Harbaugh intersection.

And it's like, I don't think he would have ever done that because Luke Fickle, I mean, maybe Michigan is different, but I don't know if Penn State, I mean, it's not the same. It's not like coaching Michigan. But you do have to take into account that there will be a segment of Ohio State fans who present you for doing that, but that's also not important. I don't think Brian Hartline's worried one iota about that segment of Ohio State fans. Yeah. I'm curious to see if he gets a head coaching job this cycle, because I do think he's probably ready to make that leap.

And I wonder if Ohio State's imminent potential deep run in the playoff might make it harder for him. But going from assistant to Big Ten rival, I think, is a much different scenario than it is being from head coach, too. This is also one where taking the best recruiter from the staff of the best recruiting program in college football right now, who is a conference rival changes the power dynamics in the conference. And he brings the type of player that Penn State has been longing for for three years. Because if Brian Hartline is not at Ohio State, Jeremiah Smith is not at Ohio State. Jeremiah Smith plays for Miami right now. That'd be wild.

So what if, what if Jeremiah Smith played for Penn State? If Jeremiah Smith played for Miami, there wouldn't be a college football playoff to me right now. I'm comfortable saying that. Exactly. That's how important this guy is to Ohio State. It's a legitimate, legitimate question, and I think he should be a legitimate candidate at a lot of places, including Penn State. We'll see who gets the job, though. We may know in a week. We may know in four or five days. Yeah, I feel like we're going to get through Thanksgiving and then all hell is going to break loose in the most beautiful way.

But I'm excited. you're damn right damn right oh so much fun megaboard Wednesday coming up tomorrow you better believe

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