Andy & Ari On3 - Brendan Sorsby’s injunction FALLOUT: Why NOBODY agrees with decision on Texas Tech QB

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

Early on Monday, news dropped out of Lubbock County that Texas Tech QB Brendan Sorsby would be granted a temporary injunction, allowing him to be eligible to play for the Red Raiders this fall. Serving a two-game suspension to start the 2026 season, Sorsby will be eligible to suit up in week 3 vs the Houston Cougars. What’s the fallout of this? Watch as Andy & Ari debate back and forth.   (0:00) On Today’s Episode (1:20) Intro: Fallout of the Injunction (11:12) Tweets around the nation (14:28) Big 12’s Response (19:53) NCAA + Collective Bargaining (33:03) Is this going to be rare? (36:12) Texas Tech’s Big 12 Opponents (39:44) Previewing Norfolk head coach Michael Vick (44:01) Michael Vick joins (49:49) Why Norfolk State? (53:44) Recapping Andy & Ari’s interview with Michael Vick (57:34) Thanks for watching!   Once Andy & Ari wrap up the Sorsby discussion, the two switch gears on what the Big 12’s response may be in regards to the injunction granted on Monday morning. Should the opponents of Texas Tech this fall take a stand? Andy & Ari debate.   To close, Andy & Ari revisit their time in Chicago last week, as Norfolk State head coach Michael Vick joins the show from the EA Sports event. Watch here as the fellas have the former all pro NFL QB join the show.   Thanks for watching! See you tomorrow!   Send your questions to: [e-mail] [e-mail]   Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join   Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/yLexcoAoR24   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's Andy and Ari on three, Brendan Sorsby has been granted his injunction to play for Texas Tech this season, despite having gambled on his own team while in Indiana. We got to talk about the fallout of this decision because there have been a lot of court decisions that affected college football. It feels like this one's a little bit bigger than the other ones. We'll talk about that. Plus, Norfolk State coach Michael Vick joins me. We met him up at the EA sports opening drive. We were playing the video game. Michael Vick was there.

He used to be the most dominant player in Madden. We asked him, did he ever get to play as himself? We also asked him about what he would have done in today's college offenses and what it's like to be a head coach right now because he is, well, he was taking recruiting. calls right before our interview. So he's working 24-7 for Norfolk State right now. We'll talk to Michael Vic all on today's Andy Narion 3. Welcome to Andy and Ari on three. Got a lot of news today for the middle of June. A judge in Texas, Ken Curry has granted Brendan Sorsby's injunction.

Soresby will be allowed to play for Texas Tech in spite of having gambled on his own team. while at Indiana. The judge enjoined the NCAA from enforcing its rules against gambling. Brennan Sorsby was not going to be reinstated. He was going to be banned from playing college football again. He was going to have to enter the NFL supplemental draft. Presumably he will not do that now. Presumably he will go play for Texas Tech. The judge, weirdly, in his order, suspended Brendan Sorsby for the first two games. He will be back, presumably. for the big 12 opener against Houston in week three. So, yeah, you went live right when this happened and kind of broke down how and why we got here.

And I'm sure we'll do that later on. But I want to get into the meat of this right out of the gate. And that's like the emotions of it. And can I just say that this is the dumbest thing I think I've ever seen in college football? Andy, we talk a lot about gambling. I think gambling is fun. I participate in that hobby. You know, we do lines.

I think they're interesting. I think that gambling has actually been a gambling lines gambling lines yeah white spreads although I could probably go for a regular one right now but like the the the whole idea of gambling is a danger to the sport I actually fundamentally disagree with because I think that it has brought so much more interest in just random games than ever before but I will say as somebody who is a gambling enthusiast who enjoys talking about it who enjoys seeing the tickets that people put together and all those different things. I also think this is the, this is sick. Like, we talk so much on this show about, will the expanded playoff, hurt college

football in the regular season? Will this kill college football? Will this do that? And it's like, this is the only thing really ever that I've come across that makes me wonder, like, is this sport okay? We talk so much about, you know, the dysfunction is the, is the feature, not the bug. We talk about how everybody pulling in different directions makes it insane. And I think that there's like a beauty in that. But I think that there is one fundamental thing that most everybody, if not everybody who's not a Texas Tech fan agrees on today,

and that's in the NFL, that's in college, that's in baseball, that's in every other sport, is if you get caught betting on your team, whether you're in the game or not, that there should be a hefty penalty for that, if not a career-ending situation. And now the message that I'm receiving from this is you literally can do anything. Because honestly speaking, I know that there are felonies and I know that there are things that people can do off the field that are inherently more serious and gambling on a sporting event.

But when it comes to within the confines of the rules and what is okay and what is not okay in sports, like this is the death penalty. This is the worst thing that you can do, I think, from a rules standpoint, not a moral standpoint, a rule standpoint. and he's going to get to play. And I think that that's insane. So, you know, I don't know if I'm supposed to have some sort of measured, like non-hot takey reaction to this. No, your take is very similar to the takes we're seeing across the country. And basically, everybody but Texas Tech fans.

And I get why Texas Tech fans want their guy to play. But there just has to be a line, man. It just has to be a line somewhere. The Texas quarterback or if this, well, okay. is for the Houston quarterback. We flip the situations, and I'm not going to even say the name. We know who plays quarterback in Houston, but it would just say, imaginary Houston quarterback, same situation.

And you were Texas Tech fan, and that person was suspended the first two games and coming back for your game. Quarterback John Doe, would you be mad about that? And the answer is, yes, you would. you are. So because like I feel like we do a podcast and I like am actually self-conscious about the fact that like I can be precious about college football. And I try not to be like, oh, we love college football more than other people or whatever. And I try to like be measured in our takes when it comes to those sorts of things.

But like when it comes to just like loving the game, not loving a team, not loving a season, not loving a player, just loving the actual sport and the mechanism of college football as a whole. How could anybody be okay with this? Like, I don't even know what the, the, like, I understand what the talking point is. It's what the lawsuit was. He's sick. He needs help. The NCAA is supposed to be in the favor of, you know, rehabilitating and helping people through trauma and through tough times. I understand that.

But the fundamental basis of sports is competition and, you know, integrity in which those competitions are resolved. And this kind of undermines that. entire thing. So I just, I'm kind of dumbfounded, dude. Like when I, I knew we were going to get a ruling this week. We both knew that this was coming. Probably should have been better about when it was coming in my own head. But, you know, that's a take for another day. We had, we had no idea in that because I thought there was going to be a Friday news dump. Now, and I pointed this. It was the exact opposite. We just took that for granted. Like, there's no way he's going to play anymore. Well, and the thing is the original judge had recused himself. The original judge

had multiple degrees from Texas Tech, he recused himself. They bring a retired judge from Fort Worth, who's a Houston grad. So, you know, if you're thinking, oh, it's just home cooking, they got the local judge.

No, they actually didn't. This is a guy from clear across the state who did not go to that school. In fact, is bringing him back to play against his alma mater. So, yeah. We just assumed that, this judge would not be the one to open that box because we've seen we've seen this

situation in a couple of places because you know I think if you don't follow all of this stuff you're like oh the the players are winning every one of these they're actually not like the charles bettiaco case in alabama that was the the g league player who came back and was playing for alabama now he was playing on a temporary restraining order they had the injunction hearing and the judge who went to alabama was like, I will not be the person who opens the floodgates for every former pro basketball player to come back and play college basketball. I'm not going to be that guy. We talked about the Tennessee case with Joey Aguilar where the judge had a degree from Tennessee.

And he's like, I don't see a reason to give you another year. I just don't see it. So it's not like the athletes have won every one of these cases. They have it. I was shocked that Brendan Soresby won this one. Yeah, I'm shocked. And let me ask you this, just bluntly, outside of murder or other serious crimes, what can a college football player not do? Or what is the most people that they can do if not this?

Well, let's separate crimes that violate the laws of your state or violate the laws of your country that can get you thrown in jail. Separate that. Yeah. It's not the NCAA's bailiwick. So what can you do? There's nothing other than something that will get you imprisoned. Right. Because then you'd be unavailable that you can do that will keep you off the field at this point.

And the other thing, too, and this is dangerous because I don't, I don't want to undermine the real life possibility that Brendan Sorsby has or had continually has an issue with gambling. Obviously, he does, right? clearly and they stipulated that in their court filings but you can explain away any sort of behavior with the same exact defense and i'm not saying that he he abused that but i'm saying if this is going to work it can be abused in the future you can say my client is sick and is not thinking clearly he has an issue the NCAA is in place to help us persevere through this and run through the same exact playbook and like listen people have given us crap in the past andy you've read the mentions in the comments about not caring as much about trinidad chambliss being granted the injunction

and all the other different cases that we've had to cover and like it's like to me though trinidad chambliss playing another year as a net positive for college football like when you think about some of the other things that we would have been you know more lax about in the past it's not as a result of not taking the rules seriously. And I think that we've also been accused about this too when it comes to NIL payments, especially in the early days when we were like, yeah,

these guys deserve money. People are like, you guys need to enforce or be a strongly opinionated about rules because they need to be enforced. And it's like, I never thought those rules needed to be enforced. When they were rules before, before NIL started,

I said those rules don't need to be enforced. But this one, this rule needs to be enforced. Yeah, like this one, like me and you are. but like you're sending tweets and you can show them, you know, in our group chat, but it's like, yeah, everybody feels the same way about it. Do you want to show them? Sure. Let's, okay, Daniel Jeremiah, NFL network draft analyst,

I've never had an issue paying players above or under the table. It is what it is. But you can't bet on your own sport and team as a college football player. That sets a very dangerous precedent. No other way to say it. I'm not saying he can't have an NFL career, but there has to be some meaningful punishment. So that's one. Now, let's go to Chase Daniel, former Missouri quarterback, former longtime NFL backup. So this is the standard now, gamble on your own sport, and the punishment is a two-game non-conference suspension. Our friend Bill Connelly at ESPN, 99.9% of the, quote-unquote, slippery slope arguments are made in bad faith and should be ignored. And what Bill's talking about is basically everything you've heard in Congress, we're saying paying players will make a university shut down in all sorts of, you know,

know, hyperbolic nonsense. But Bill continues with this case. But I feel like noting that, quote, county judge says QB who bet on his own team can play for the local top 10 program might be the nightmarish precedent that fits the other 0.1%. It's very well said by Bill.

Scott Van Pelt, our friend from ESPN, there really aren't any rules. You just go to court if it fails. Go to court again until the judge says you're all set, one of seventh year. Sure, broke rules. Ah, it's fine. There aren't any rules.

Now, Scott's mad about all the eligibility cases too. But this is how most people feel, by the way. Our friend Jeff Schwartz, former Oregon offensive lineman, longtime NFL offensive lineman. If this ruling stands, it's more impactful to college sports than anything else happening right now. And I think that's a good place to go with this. Because it is more impactful than the Trinidad Shambliss ruling

or the Owen Heineke ruling. Owen Heineke's the Limebarker to Oklahoma. Andy, just fast forward. Just fast forward three months. Cincinnati, I mean, Texas is playing a, Texas Tech is playing a team. They're down by four points. And Soresby has a fourth and four from the opposing 20, and he soars the ball over the guy's head.

Mm-hmm. What happens? Everyone's going to assume he's shaving points. Everyone will assume that. And I think that, obviously, that that's going to be used to troll Texas Tech. That's going to be used. in discussions about it or if they missed the under. A friend sent me a tweet a few minutes ago from Dan Wiener,

Big 12 marching bands brushing up on the classics and it's just a picture of the gambler, Kenny Rogers album cover. Yeah. Like, honestly, if you're, if Texas Tech comes to your stadium and you're not playing, if you got to know one to hold him, no one to fold him when he takes the field, you're not even trying. Yeah. Well, you know, I just, we cannot question if the results of a play or a game or an under of a first half are made with integrity.

Like, it's just, it's wild to me. I'm like dumbfounded, dude. Like, I haven't even posted a Twitter yet, and that's not like me. I'm like kind of letting this marinate a little bit. Like, I am actually, like, upset about this. How do you handle this if you're the big 12? I don't know. Fifteen of your schools are very much against this.

What can they do? That can't get challenged. I mean, like, that's the thing. It's like, how does the Big 12 handle it? I don't know, bend over? Like, I mean, I just said, it's, there's nothing that can be done. They could, they could attempt to impose their own discipline. We've seen conferences impose their own discipline.

We saw the Big Ten do that with Jim Harbaugh. But in this case, with the NCAA not allowed to impose its discipline, why would the Big 12 be any different? would just say none of you can impose discipline. Yeah. So there is like, just so I understand this legally, I listen to your... Let's assume the NCAA is going to appeal this. So it may not be over yet. But usually these are upheld.

Because it's an injunction. This is not the result of the case. The case hasn't happened yet. Yeah. I don't think the case will ever happen. Yeah. I mean, is there any way to speed up the actual case? Like, is there any law mechanism to get them to try to try to...

No, it's a civil case. I mean, there's no way you can reasonably expect that to happen. So, yeah, they're going to have to probably just take... I mean, they'll appeal it, but I would assume that appeal will get denied. Yeah. Oh, boy, does Texas Tech become the villain today if they weren't before? They already were, but yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

So you better embrace it. I think that's really all you can do. Yeah. And obviously, I'm assuming that Texas Tech wouldn't have wanted to do this. I mean, this wasn't the intention when they signed him. But, you know, you kind of like that's the other thing. Because here's the flip try. You know what Texas Tech fans think of this?

And of course, there isn't a thing that can happen that hurts someone's favorite team that will ever make them see clearly about what's right and wrong. But like what's Texas Tech supposed to? to do. It's a massive investment in a person that is supposed to help them. I just like they have to go through with it now, right? Like there's no, there's no, well,

we're going to take the high road here and we're just going to, you know, go with Hammond. Like that's just not in the cards. So they're already, you know, pot odds into this thing for a lack of a better term and they kind of have to go with it. So like it's just, I don't know, man. It just, Okay, let me ask you this question. And I think I know the answer to it.

What stops another player from betting his own props now and controlling that? I don't know. What if you're a player that actually is in the game and you bet your own props? The answer to that, I think, is what we saw in the NBA where you had a player betting his own props and they banned him for life. Well, what if you bet on props, your own props in college, you get caught and then you have the same defense and the same playbook. The problem is the NFL might not take you at that point. Well, here's the other thing that, you know, we have to discuss. Just because Brennan Sorsby is playing this year, doesn't mean that he's not going to take a hit from his NFL draft stock.

He 100% will. He 100% will. And that's part of the ruling, actually, is the irreparable damage part. You and I went back and forth about this a couple of weeks ago. I said, hey, you know, if he were to get in the NFL now, let's say he got denied the injunction, goes in the supplemental draft, gets the NFL, balls out, gets that second contract sooner and makes more money in the long run, that he didn't suffer irreparable damage. But the judge disagreed with me, agreed with you.

That more than likely his best. shot and not being damaged is playing in college this year. I was listening to your live video earlier, and we, you kind of like brushed over that a little bit. I wanted to talk to you about it. That's why. Yeah, yeah. But like I just like, I was thinking about it more even after the segment that we

recorded last week. And it's, well, if he goes to the NFL and does this and that, you're right. He will probably make as much, if not more money in the long run. But there are two issues with that when it comes to harm. One is this money's already burdened. in the hand. And two, there's no guarantee that. Five or six million dollars. We don't know exactly what Texas ex paying him, but we have a basic idea. And if you lose that income, then the onus would be to perform at a higher level later on in order to recoup the money you would have already

had. So that like that losing that $6 million or whatever it is is irreparable in the short term. And it's not to say that his life would never be okay or he would never be rich, but that money is that money. Now, you know, the other aspect of this too that I think is super important is in general, is this the beginning of forcing the NCAA to collectively bargain? Like, do you need to get to a place where there are rules that are agreed upon in a union by the athletes themselves that are enforced, whether that be eligibility? Like, I don't know, like today it felt like the breaking point for me where it was like, okay, well, we'll piecemeal together all these like bullcrap bridges across certain, like,

of complications and we'll figure it out. But like when you get to a point where you where there's no solution and like the sport is now held hostage by Sorsby playing. Like I think if you did a straw poll of like everybody in the sport, coaches, administrators, personnel people, fans in general, unless they live in Lubbock, like 99.9% of the people in the poll say he should have been punished more than this, right? Like everybody like we're on, we're in a place right now where everybody agrees about something in college football and that opposite is still happening.

have to get to a place for the for the for the for the sake of the players the sake of the coaches the sake of the institution where they are actually unionized and agree to these rules like it just like this is insane well okay i'm glad you said that because we have all this stuff going on in the senate right now had the hearing last week we we had ted cruz on our show two weeks ago tell me arey where where does that bill address this um it does not does it 10011 pages, not once. I thought that was a trick question, but I was like thinking how, yeah. Nope. You're right. And that's, we keep saying this. We keep saying you need to collect a bargain. You need to collectively bargain. You're going to wish you would collectively bargain this.

You need to collectively bargain because let's say this bill passes, which is probably not, but let's say it did. You still have no recourse in this situation. None. If you have a CBE, with the players, you will have rules about gambling within the CBA. The NBA has that, the NFL has that. Yeah. Yeah.

They could go to court in that situation. Like if Brendan Sorsby were being paid via the terms of a CBA, if his contract had to conform to the terms of the CBA, and your CBA covered gambling, which it would, he could go to a judge and the judge would be like,

no, your union agreed to this. The punishment is what it is. That's why Jonte Porter has no recourse in the NBA. He's done because they have rules about this. Calvin Ridley missed a lot of time and that's probably the most analogous case with Brendan Sorsby in the NFL.

Calvin Ridley was injured, placed bets on his own team, was suspended. Actually, I believe he was basically banned from the NFL and was allowed to apply for reinstatement after a year. And then they let him back in,

but he had missed at least a season. I can't remember exactly how much time he missed, but he missed at least a season. So that's... I mean, it felt like he was out, and part of that was because of the injury, but it felt like he was out of the NFL for two years. Right.

It was a major career speed bump for him. But they have rules about that. that the players have agreed to. The players agree to follow those rules. The league agrees that these are the rules. Andy, explain this to me like I'm 12, because I don't really fully get it, and that means not that I'm smart,

but I think about this all day every day and people who listen. What is the NCAAs and the institution's number one reason why they won't just freaking do this already? Because they don't want to be employees because there's extra expense in them being employed. they get more rights as employees.

Basically, they've been in control forever where they could just unilaterally impose all the rules they wanted on people. But they can't anymore, and they're spending all this money on Congress. I know, but they're very stuck in their ways, and they think they can get that back, and they don't understand that that time has passed

and they're going to have to figure something else out. But they're so smart. They're really not. They're actually telling us that they're not. They're successful, rich, powerful people. I am just a random guy who has a house in Texas who can see through the lines here. It's just like at a certain point, you're, you're. Yeah.

It's just. There are more people than ever now that are in positions of power that make these decisions that are coming around that are accepting the reality of the situation. You have to accept it because it's more expensive and it's less effective this way. I'm sorry, it is. Ultimately, yes. What are you talking about like insurance? premiums. Is that what we're worried about?

We're talking about all that stuff, workers' comp, lots of, you know, all the benefits that you would have to give an employee. And will it be more complicated? Yes. Will it be easy to figure out how to do it? No. It will be easier than this ultimately, though, than not having any rules. And then everybody shuts up. Everything, everything's fine at that point. Oh, nothing's ever fine. But yeah. Andy, I don't know, because I'm just an NFL. fan. I play fantasy football. I collect football cards. Look at this Luther Burden card

by Topps. Sick, right? In the NFL off season, and maybe it's just because I'm not plugged in my entire social media is college football for the most part, is there constant, like, tug-of-war arguments about rules and calendars and how things are gone?

They argued a little bit about the tush-push. Yeah, the argument. I would love to argue about the tush-push. like I'm with you I do like arguing about the calendar I do like the columns in the offseason of how to fix college football and all those things but when it gets to a point where there actually are major issues like the one that we're facing today like there has to be some sort of solution to this because how long like let me ask you this how long can college football be in no man's land can it just permanently be in no man's land and be okay or do you think there's a certain like drop-off off point where just like this is insane. This is overly insane to the point. Like coaches are unhappy. Administrators are unhappy.

The conferences are unhappy. They can't agree on anything. They can't enforce anything. Like how long can the state of college football exist under these pretences? As long as everybody keeps getting rich. Yeah. And everybody is going to keep getting rich. So I hate to say it.

I don't know. Yeah. Now, if there's a way to get more rich or a more efficient way to get rich, they'll do that. And it may be that the CBA. is now the more efficient way to get rich. I actually think that it has been the more efficient way to get rich for a long time. Well, the line is getting in the way of it. If they had been smart, which we've established, they're not,

when the NIL rules got passed by all the various state legislatures in 2021, they would have already had a mechanism in place to collectively bargain. Yeah. They'd be like, oh, screw this, NIL stuff. Let's just make them employees. We're going to bargain with them. And they'll agree to 20% of football-related revenue or sport-related revenue. Now they're going to get 50.

And now where we were back then to where we would be now, like it would just be functional right now. Like we would have already been five years into this or four years into this, and we would have been like. Yeah. But I just like, the Northwestern guys wanted to do it in 2015. You should have been like, okay, sounds good.

Yeah. But it is kind of like the power struggle that exists to. It's not the money always. It's the possession of power. It is. It is. You got like a 1900 out of 1600 out of 1600 on the SAT. I found that out at lunch last week.

Andy's got a big brain everyone. I don't know if you know that. I'm not like I'm just a I think I've got normal intellect. I'm not smart. I use it to become a sports writer. So I don't think that means I'm very smart. Yeah. That means I'm pretty dumb life choices.

Well, now you got a great family. You have a wonderful property and you get to do this for a living. You're pretty smart. But I'm not egotistical enough to pretend like the people who are in charge of college football, the power brokers who are actually the ones getting rich and who hold that power right now aren't book smart smarter than me. I'm sure they are. No, they're book smart and probably street smart smarter than both of us, but they're stubborn.

And a lot of them have been getting rich off the same thing for a long time. and they thought that was going to last forever, and they're really struggling to adapt to a new world. Now, I think if we look at the younger generation of coaches, of athletic directors, of university presidents, you're seeing a lot more flexibility in terms of what they're willing to do, in terms of what ideas they're willing to entertain.

And so do you think that today's a breaking point of any or am I being dramatic? I think there will be more people Now, there have already been people who've come over. Like within the last year, like the SEC presidents got a presentation two weeks ago about what collective bargaining will look like in college sports. The idea of them even entertaining that thought two years ago would have been just unheard of. So they are already coming around. There will be more people today who say,

All right, that's it. Because what else are you supposed to do? I think I'm one of those people, Andy. Like, I don't know. I've had kind of a crappy morning, so maybe I'm just like in a bad mood. I don't know. But like, I just think this is so stupid.

And I don't think that today is a feature. I think today is a bug. I like dysfunction. I like talking about it. I like that everybody's on different pages and I like us trying to center. I like our podcast being like the centrist. Today was just like, I think this is like so moronic.

No, and you should absolutely, when you have a very strong opinion like that, you should absolutely let it rip. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people feel the same way you do. I really do. And I actually think, too, that the dysfunction of college football is best on display when you have variance and opinion. Like that, if you have a.

And that's, yeah, that's where there's no variance other than Texas Tech fans. And that doesn't count. Right. Because that's not, that's not logical thinking. That's just loyalty. And we're not saying this to pick on Texas Tech fans. If this was another school, if this was Michigan, if this was USC, if this was Alabama, if this was Penn State, it'd be the same thing. Yeah, there's no logical thinking when it comes to your favorite team, and that's part of what makes the sport beautiful. If you're a Texas Tech fan, you don't have to be apologetic for rooting for Sorsby. You don't have to be apologetic for hoping that your team wins the most games and makes the playoff and wins.

this time. Like that's part of, like, you have no burden as a fan to protect the sport or to view the sport in a very different way than, you know, other people. Like you, your, your number one prerogative should always be for the love of Texas Tech, you know, guns up, right? Like, I get it. Like, and you're not unique in that you feel the way that you do the same way that, I mean, had anybody been online during any discourse of any scandal ever? What is the same general thing that you see from the fans. It's a weaseling or a way of looking at it in order to most prop up your favorite place. And that's just human nature. And you're not bad people or different people. You're the same as everybody else. And maybe you can have an extra drink tonight and be happy that your

favorite quarterback is going to be playing on your favorite team. But from a 20,000 foot view, this sucks. You're like, Joey McGuire is a friend of the program, right? Like, he's a great guy. I've never heard anybody meet Joey McGuire and say that a negative thing about him. He's genuinely one of the nicest people I've ever met. Joey, this sucks today. Now, if I'm Joey McGuire, I play Brennan Sorsby because he gives me the best chance to win. So that's not really going to be, I don't think, a question.

You're going to get booed, all that stuff, but you knew that. I think the bigger question now is what happens next globally, not just with Texas Tech, not just with the Big 12 this season. I think we can pretty firmly reestablish Texas Tech as the favorite in the Big 12. I think we probably had them as the favorite in the Big 12 with Will Hammond starting too.

So only that changes anything. Andy, you alluded to this on the live that you did, and I wanted to dive into this too. Okay. I think that this is rare or has been rare, right? In sports, there have been instances of players who have gambled or crossed the threshold of acceptability in gambling, whether that be placing bets themselves or doing things that impact the results of stats or games. The thing that I don't think could be lost in the conversation today is I don't think that Brendan Sorsby and his actions are as rare as people might think. and as a result of this,

we might start hearing about it a little bit more. And people might be getting away with it on a bigger scale than just one player at one place. Like this isn't like, oh my God, I can't believe this. I think that this is happening everywhere. And I wonder if this is the thing that creates, I don't know, I don't want to say crisis, but a groundswell of similar situations popping up in a way that maybe has felt a little bit more, you know, like, you know what it kind of reminds me of a little bit. It's like if you have mold in your house and like you live every single day in your house and you don't realize it.

And then one day, you know, a plumber comes over something and finds a little bit of it. And you're like, okay, well, I'll take, I'll take the actions to fix that mold. And then all of a sudden you find out that like your entire walls covered in it. You know? Like, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm being dramatic. But it just, this isn't like some isolated incident.

Well, we know it's going. on. We know it goes on in a lot of places. We know it's a part of the culture on college campuses. Now, not just among athletes, but among people on college campuses. It's very easy to do. I will point out, we are sponsored by BedmGM. Everybody seems to notice that when we talk about this stuff. Yeah, we are. It's a part of sports culture in America now. I don't know a single person, like in my friend group who doesn't participate in the activity. Yeah. So, it's mainstream as mainstream can be. Right. So, yes, there are probably athletes doing it. And they probably, some of them will get caught because, you know, if you look at companies like ProHibet, they're pretty good at finding stuff.

So I would imagine we'll see more of this. The question is, what do you know, what do you do about it? If you're the, if there's schools, the NCAA, you really don't have a lot of recourse at this point. Now, you could say, perhaps the next person doesn't hire an attorney as accomplished as Jeffrey Kessler and roll the dice. But, well, Jeffrey Kessler did the, the hard part, Andy. It's easier to cheat off of someone else's note. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah, especially legal filings. Like, you're not going to get sued for, for plagiarizing a legal filing. That's literally what their job is. That's what precedent. Yeah, you can, you can paraphrase that

sucker and be fine. Yeah. So I have a bonus dear Andy Deerari question. I know it's Monday and not Friday, but let's go ahead and ask this question now because Jesse brings it up and I think it's a really good one. So Jesse just email me. Hey, Andy,

what is stopping Arizona, Arizona, State, West Virginia, TCU and Houston from not playing their games at Texas Tech? Their road games, the teams will most likely lose and they gain a buy week. I'm sure there's language in the media contract that would punish them, but I don't think it would get to that point before Texas Tech decides to not have

Sores me simply from the threat of forfeited games. Thoughts on the bluff from the rest of the conference. I don't think that would work. One, Texas Tech's not going to stop playing him because of that. They're going to be like, thanks for the free wins. Yeah. And you're going to have to deal with, if you're those schools, and if you're the Big 12, you're going to have to deal with Fox and ESPN,

which are going to be righteously pissed if you don't play those games. And here's the other thing, too. By not playing those games, if you're Arizona, or Arizona State or anybody else, let's not forget that you'd be punishing your own athletes who by not letting them play in one of the premier games on your schedule. You know, I think that we get so bogged down sometimes on who are the top 10 players in the NFL draft

that we forget that 85% of the people who play in these games only get a finite number of college games to play in to begin with. You know, you might, if you, the average person probably, I don't know what the math is on this, Andy, you might. Like the average college football player probably only gets to play in 25 total games in their entire career, you know, between the development phase and the redshirt. If you're not starting as a freshman, yeah, yeah.

You don't play four full years. Like, I understand the sentiment of like, this sucks, but I think that the reverse is going to happen here. I think that people are going to want to beat them more. And I don't know, maybe somebody will get it up enough to do it. But it's just like, I think that the way that I view this in my overall, overall take as we're 40 minutes into this discussion is that this sucks and the rest of the sport now was held hostage by the decision. Yeah.

And there's nothing anybody can do the Big 12, the NCAA, Arizona State. There's nothing that can be done about this. Not right now. There is eventually there's there's a way to solve this. You just have to want to do it. You have to be willing to do it. Yeah. And my guess is there are more people today willing to do it than there were yesterday.

Yeah. So we'll see if they can get to that. It's important to note, and River sent this to us a little bit ago, and I'm just saying it now, but Pete NACOS from On 3, our trusted insider tweeted this about 20 minutes ago. Spoke with a few attorneys, NCAA can immediately file for an appeal timeline on that might not fit what NCAA wants. Any other recourse would violate the injunction in joining NCAA's rule of restitution.

So even if they do file appeal, it sounds to me like that might not fit the timeline that's necessary to figure it out before. I mean, they're dead in the water, I think. Yeah. Now, yeah, right. More than likely, whoever hears the appeal also is going to take into account what the original judge, like this is, this is a temporary injunction. This is not the result of the case.

And so they probably will err on the side of respecting the original judge's decision. Well, all those no gambling signs in the locker rooms, you can take those down. Yeah. I mean, you can't really enforce those rules anymore. No one's going to be reading those with the, I mean, those used to be scary, man. Yeah. So this is a weird segue into our guest. But actually, I guess, help us answer one of the things that somebody may say after they hear this interview.

we're talking to Michael Vic. We saw him at the EA opening drive event in Chicago last week. We didn't ask him anything about the dogfighting stuff. We didn't ask him anything by going to jail. And I know there's probably going to be some people who hear that and like, why wouldn't you ask that? And my thing was the guy was punished pretty severely. He did go to jail.

There was a deal actually. Actually, Ari, after we talked to Mike Vic, some of the barstool guys were talking to him. And they were asking him about this Monday night football game he played in when he got to the Eagles. And somebody got the year wrong. The person asking the question got the year wrong and said 2008. And Vic said, I think I was doing something different in 2008, referring to that's when he was in prison. Yeah, I think that the Monday night football game was that the one where he hit like the Sean Jackson on that 80-yard touchdown on the opening play that game?

Yeah. That was not an 08, yeah. Yeah. So this is a long way, like we talk about you do something wrong, you get punished for it. Mike Vic got punished. And it also happened 20 years ago. Yeah. Like you relitigate something that happened a year ago?

And part of what he's done is try to educate people and, you know, try to make amends if he can't. What he's doing now is really interesting. he's a head coach now. He's the Norfolk State head coach, had a very tough first year. If you want to see more about that first year, he's got a show on BET. They're all available on demand now. Every episode's already aired. It's crazy because they show pretty much everything. Yeah. It's not like one of those sanitized reality TV shows. They just show what's going on in the program. You know, Andy, we didn't even talk about this off air, so let's talk about it on before we get into it. Do you think that part of the reason, if not the entire reason that Michael Vick has not been a

bigger story in just the pantheon of college football hires is because of the dogfighting thing? Or is it just because of the lower level team? Do you think he would have been, you know, maybe, like, what is it about Leon Sanders that caused his meteoric rise? Now, I know that he started in the HBCUs as well. He won. That's the difference. Michael Vick looked one and 11. I would say, like, when you say about like larger than life people, the way that Dion Sanders was famous in the 90s for his athletic prowess, that Michael Vic was the Dion on the field for my generation. You know, I think Dionne Sanders was young.

But not off the field. His personality and Dion's personality are very different. Yeah, Dion was like very marketable and very, and he played baseball. Like, I get it. But I also wonder, too, like if that didn't happen, if Michael Vick in general as a icon would be different. You want to talk about paying the penalty of doing the thing that you did. I think that Michael Vick probably paid that penalty

in a much more drastic way than even the court system or the prison sentence. Yeah. He may have been the best player, like people about my age, like that era, he maybe the best college football player there was during that era. Yeah. And there were some really good players during that era, but he might have been the best one. Yeah.

Anyway, Michael Vic was at the EA sports thing and he was like the ultimate cheat code in EA sports. And it's like, what are we not going to have him on the show? It's Michael Vic. Yeah. And I had a problem with my computer before we got started. So Ari and I had to do a little emergency tech support. But while we were doing that, Michael Vic had to take a phone call from one of his incoming signies.

Yeah. asking about a jersey number because that's that's the life of a division one coach these days you know i'll say that mike oh go ahead here's michael vick and then we'll talk all right we're here with coach mike vick who has just been doing coach things and then just let's second let's let's let us let people behind the glamorous like college football coach yeah you were just talking to recruit yeah and he had a very well he's already signed oh oh okay he's already signed that's done income but no, he's actually a junior college train. Okay, well, okay.

Yeah, so he wanted to load Yumble as all players he, man. I mean, I'm about to have a team full of guys from 1 in 19 on offense and defense. Nobody wants to wear 22, 41, now 88. Most because you wore a single digit. Okay, but I was the guy. you can say that as much as you want and know what I can say

yeah I'm just the guy man when you become the guy you can you can switch your number every year if you want you know it's really crazy coach because growing up I played these games and you played these games growing up and I'm sitting next to the cheat code you weren't allowed to play with you back in the day what's it like to you know your legacy expands far further than the video game but you know when you talk to the gamers downstairs you weren't you weren't allowed to play with you. Yeah, this was a part of my legacy. And I embrace it.

You know, I appreciate it. Because growing up, playing technical with Oak Jackson, it was like, it was so unfair. And somebody got Raiders, you know you was going to lose. It's just, you didn't have a change. And so, and I used to play with guys who played with me and Matt, and I knew I wasn't going to win. And I would get, you know,

who brings somebody to do. So I can continue. Like, I just watch so many people just get annihilated with guys who know how to play the game, play with me, and they just ran proofie. That's, you answered my question because you and I were saying, hey, well, I was going to play with both in technical. Bo couldn't be stopped. Bo could not be stopped. I would give it to Markets Island here and there, but I was handing up the boat. Walter Payton was pretty good, too.

Oh, yeah. With the mess. He was close. Yeah. We meet kids now. Can you talk through that because you're appreciating? How are aware are they of who you are and what you order again for? When I'm talking something, they're very aware.

I think Burl of Walser Brown, B2 clips and highlights and videos, and I think it revolves around. You know, social media and, you know, what social media does is allow people to tap back into the culture that came, you know, that was, you know, present before them. And so you get to see a player like myself or a player like Connoe McNad or a player like Cam New

and in his prime. And you can see, you know, if they follow the timelines, how it really helped, you know, change the game. So I was talking to Manny Diaz, he was a very young coach, GA at Ford State where they had Hoytjohn Nation's shit. He's saying the first time you took a snap

all their coaches just, whoa. Because it didn't, film didn't do it justice. Right. And I keep thinking, I go back, can you imagine playing in the offenses that they have now? Yeah. What could you have done?

I mean, it would have been more wide open. I just had more disc and more space would be creative. It really would have been an advantage, especially if I ended up in the hands of somebody like 80, early. Yeah. or, you know, you know, you know, it's a ton of good for people.

I was thinking just even out of college lab, you know, just the opportunities that come where you be in space and where you can make people, you know, you put them in the box, and they just can't, especially the way I pass the ball too. So it was like, just the suit. Well, that's the thing that people lose track of with your game was that your passing highlights a lot of times were impressive. Maybe I was oppressive.

I thought it just as good as I ran it. Yeah. I thought just as good as I ran it. And once I, I proved that once I got to Andy, once I got to Philadelphia, Andy would let me throw it. And I proved that I could line up there and I could throw it 40 times if needed. I didn't recommend it, but it needed. It was fun.

What is that like when you get on a roster, you meet Andy Reed for the first time? What does he tell you about how he's going to use what you're going to get? Because Reed just shows you, uh, uh, the Y, we're going to run this because this is how they play. It's just so self-explanatory when you break it down to you. I want to explain why things are going to happen. You know, I just, all my years, it was just, you know, when you get the game pan faxed over, I could look at, you know,

75 pass plays and see four touchdowns in them every time, every time. And you can't see that out of, you know, you get a game plan, you really can't see it, visualize a touchdown pass. Every player passes not the touchdown pounds. But you know the one that when you creep into the red zone, here's what's coming, you know, tight red zone. Here's what's coming. Some plays you like, some plays you don't.

Plays that get you down into the red zone, plays that you run midfield. It's variations. And so I can see, look at the game playing, is it come in, see yourself inches down the field of them, then boom. Here it comes. So I watched your show on the,

which you guys let those cameras in see everything. Yeah, in Norfolk State. I mean, what was that decision like to let them do that and give a pretty raw look at your first year? Yeah, I knew year one was going to be tough. I knew what I was facing. I knew it wasn't going to be easy. I knew the character of kids that I was dealing with.

I knew what I was walking into. And, you know, I wanted the world to be like behind the scenes. What coaches go through? It's not easy. It's not easy at all. We sacrifice a lot of time. We cut a lot of effort in it to making other people happy and make sure that they feel, you know, good about what was coming,

we're standing in front of them for that day. And it's a different responsibility. And you got to hurt feelings. You can't be nice all the time. And I kind of watched that and was like, man, I'm really different when it comes to football. I'm a peaceful individual. I bring energy, a max energy that's around me.

But when it comes to football, I just don't play, man. I just don't, I can't play around it because it means too much. And it doesn't so much for me in my life that I won't allow a freshman or senior to take advantage of what the game could do for you. We are very different. We're built different, physically, probably. I have noticed. I have a question.

for you. And I've always wondered this about successful people, and not just saying, it's legends over it. When you talk about all the things that you have to go through, why would Michael Vick, EA sports legend, NFL legend, Virginia Tech legend, do

this? Yeah, man. Because I love to compete, and I know there's no other way for me to chase a championship now, other than doing it vicariously to a group of men, young men. And I never had a chance to feel what it felt.

I never had a chance to host the trophy. I never had a chance to celebrate, you know, other than us going to the national championship, but you got damn we lost. I played in the, I played in the NFC Chamber. So, game. God, that's so easy for it like I would get back again. It never happened because that's how hard the game is.

And now I just got to channel my energy to fulfilling someone else's shame. hopefully it could be a part of my dream and I can live it out with them. And, you know, that's not really the only reason I'm doing it because I get to beat part of their lives and help them, you know, try to walk straight line, fine line to find success. That's a part of it. But at the end of the day, what we really are chasing there is a championship and to have a better statistic in the win in the W column

in the L column. So there's so many reasons that, and that was a great question, man, but yeah, my wife thought I was crazy and I walked away. I saw your kids talking you back in the year two, so. Well, yeah, I mean, they didn't have to talk me back into it, so they just knew my frustration, and I was just like, man, did I make the right decision?

And then right then and there, I was like, yo, let's, no looking back, this is what it is. Stop crying. Go get it. Go get it, man. Like anything else in your life to fight for, work hard for, don't stop believing. Believe to your players. Believe in administration.

Go have fun and I never leave back. I never have those thoughts. We do a college football show, and we'd love to have you back on. Oh, man. God left for back, man. We see the start. Hell of it.

Thanks, me. All right. Yeah, be cool to watch. Thanks for being here. That is Michael Vick. and Ari, can you just imagine plopping late 90s Michael Vick into the offenses that exist today in college football? No, no, yeah, I can. No, I can't. I don't know. Yeah, I can imagine it, but it's also like imagining going on a date with Margot Robbie. It just would be too good to even, you know, family. Nobody, nobody would stop him. Nobody. There's no defense alive. I can stop.

stop that guy. And I think that because he was such an icon in the game and how fast and like his is rushing, you know, highlights and prowess was on full display that I actually think that people forget that he had a rocket arm, dude. Like he like was like a really good passer too. It was like if you took college Trevor Lawrence, but made him faster than everybody on the field and agile. I get that Trevor Lawrence is good athlete and outran people sometimes in college. But imagine Kyler Murray's speed, Trevor Lawrence's arm. And he was bigger than Kyler Murray and thicker. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, you know, I think that a lot of times, too, we always like overlook in football, like reasons why people are so good. And yes, it's very easy

to say that Michael Vick was fast. But the vision and the quick ability to change directions and all the agility things that he possessed, like where a subtle movement in the shoulder can make a defender second guess where he's going and then he just darts in the other direction. Like there are certain God-given athletic traits that Michael Vic possessed. And like honestly speaking, Andy, as we go through making people miss, like, I can't think of very many other players who came through college football or even the NFL that possessed that ability. Who could make people miss, maybe not quite like Barry Sanders,

because nobody could do it like Barry Sanders. But close to that. I mean, the only player that I ever could set his feet and throw a ball 60 to 70 yards in the air. There's only one other player that I covered, and he made my list of quarterbacks when we draft them two weeks ago and made everybody angry, that I think possessed that type of ability.

And that's Braxton Miller. but Braxton Miller wasn't as big. I don't think he was this vast and he didn't have the arm. Like Michael Vic had Braxton Miller's best trait, and that was only one of the three traits that he had. Yeah. It's just, it's unbelievable how good he was.

And I do like to imagine what it would be like if he was in an offense that best suit his. I mean, he said he was playing under center, dude. He was, and they had full backs. I know he'd be in the gun every once and all. But yeah, they were playing them basically in an eye formation offense. that in the one back offenses of today where the quarterback is on the move constantly, it would have been absolutely terrifying to play defense against that guy. Because every single snap he could score on you in five different ways.

Yeah. So. And yeah, you should go look at that. If you're unfamiliar with the throw that I referred to at the beginning before the interview, you should go like to YouTube and check. I mean, the ball went like 85 yards in the air. Yeah. It's a lot of fun.

Yeah, if you have not looked at any Michael Vick in college highlights lately or Michael Vick in the NFL highlights, because the one Ari is referring to happened in the NFL. If you've not looked at those recently, just check them. Check them again. Yeah. It's pretty spectacular. Ari, tomorrow, the plan, barring any breaking news,

or any crazy breaking news, which sometimes happens. but the plan is to discuss Chris Lowe's SEC power rankings for 2006 because I think they're going to be highly controversial and the one-two discussion is going to be a really, really fun one. Yeah. Talk to tomorrow.