Andy & Ari On3 - Can Rick Pitino & St. John’s STUN Duke at the buzzer in the Sweet 16? 2026 NCAA Tournament | Kyle Whittingham's move from Utah to Michigan | SEC 2026 Win totals revealed

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

As the NCAA Tournament is well underway, Rick Pitino and the St. John’s Red Storm knocked off Kansas on Sunday and is advancing to take on Duke in the Sweet 16. As Rick Pitino has had some battles against Duke across his storied career, none may be more famous than when Christian Laettner knocked off Pitino’s Kentucky Wildcats at the buzzer in 1992. Now, almost 35 years later after Laettner’s shot, Pitino is meeting Duke again in the NCAA Tournament. Will St. John’s be able to knock off Duke at the buzzer in Washington, D.C. on Friday night? Coach Pitino sure hopes so. A loaded Andy & Ari episode here as we recap the NCAA Tournament and preview what’s ahead.   (0:00) On Today's Episode (0:54) Presenting Sponsor (2:29) Intro: Recapping first weekend of March Madness (5:22) Rick Pitino leads St. John's to Sweet 16 (17:38) Iowa stuns Florida (28:43) Utah PAID Kyle Whittingham to leave? (41:03) 2026 SEC Win Totals (48:00) Alabama's 2026 win total: 8.5 (51:36) Oklahoma's 2026 win total: 7.5 (57:39) Ole Miss's 2026 win total: 7.5 (1:03:28) Rounding out the SEC (1:06:25) Conclusion: See you tomorrow!   Once Andy & Ari wrap up the conversation on the NCAA tournament, the fellas look back at what all transpired as Utah and Kyle Whittingham were parting ways back in December. As documents reveal, Utah essentially paid Kyle Whittingham to leave. Now coaching Michigan, Whittingham seems to have come out on the other side of things. Watch as Andy & Ari discuss this bizarre situation.   Next up, our friends at BetMGM have released new win totals for the SEC. With many interesting totals set, which ones have caught Andy's eye the most? Andy & Ari dive in.   Our show is also presented by BetMGM!   If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works:   1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB. 2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. 3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sure you use bonus code CFB when you sign up!   Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary.   See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel.   Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join   Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/VzYsdrbtCAU   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Welcome to Annie and Orion 3 presented by BetMGM. Buzzer beaters, Ari. Buzzer be got what we wanted. Yeah, that buzzer beater from the Kentucky game in the first round cost me about 800 bucks. So I know everyone's all amped up about it, but that was the worst point of my weekend. I'm excited to like, the thing I love about Monday show. That was the appetizer.

And Kentucky's, Kentucky was out of the tournament before. before the two buzzer beaters hit yesterday for the St. John's in the Iowa ones. Sorry, I guess that's what do they call that PTSD? Like, I'm just like, when you're on Santa Clara plus three and a half in the under, that's just not the shot you want to see go in. But like it is, uh, uh, I thought it was on a wonderful weekend, Andy. And funny enough as somebody who, uh, sinks his teeth into football much more than basketball, my bracket, I'm in like a huge pool with 2,500 people and I'm like in 25th place.

And I don't know when you have to shit about my bracket, but like my, I'm like actually like, back doored into a pretty good Iowa State is a winning program, and Arkansas is my horse. So let's see what goes on here. Nobody cares about my bracket, but I do have Iowa State making the national title game. Yeah, they looked awesome yesterday. They looked awesome. And did you see the disrespectful things the players were saying about Kentucky after the game? Well, I saw the borderline disrespect from T.J. Otsleberger in the midgame interview when Kentucky was up 10.

John Rothstein, this is like 10 minutes ago in the first half. John Rothstein's interviewing T.J. Otsleberger, and he goes, he goes, what do you do to keep them for making these three? Because Kentucky has been really hot from high in the arc. And T.J. Otslberger, as diplomatically as possible, says, we're playing good defense. These shots are going to stop falling and it's going to get real bad for Kentucky. As diplomatically as possible, like, as the kids would preface,

they'd just say respectfully and then say something completely disrespectful. That is what T.J. Otslberger did. it was total process over outcome. And he was exactly right because Kentucky shots stopped falling and they fell apart. Yeah. Great, great day. And I thought that there was a lot of takeaways from the day. And I actually think, Andy, I know that the first two days are amazing,

but I think Sunday is a very underrated day on the first weekend. And I don't know about the schedule, like, where they have like five games at once at night and only one at a time in the morning. but like from morning till late at night you have an NCAA tournament game on. It's a great sports day, especially if you're getting ready for the week ahead. But we have a pretty big show today.

We have a lot of basketball. We have a bunch of football. I'm excited to talk to you, man. The weekends, when a lot happens and we don't go live on Saturday night, feels so weird to me. Oh, yeah, there's a lot going on. So the Sunday buzzer beaders are big.

The Rick Petino, and we had this conversation last week, of is Rick Petino the goat college basketball coach? And I said, you know, it's still going to be John Wooden for almost everybody. But you have to undeniably respect that Rick Petino has been able to do this throughout eras. I mean, Rick Petino was a head coach before the three-point line existed. Well, think about that. Let me just ask it this way.

And like, I am prone to hyperbole and being hyperbolic. general as a human. But if you were to take a draft of all American sports history and draft coaches resumes. Now, I know that Rick Petito has some complications off the court, but on the court. But it's off the court has complicated as on the court, but once he gets on the court, he just wins. But would he be a top 10 pick in all of coaching history in in terms of proven production? In the one game, I'll tell you where he's a top. five pick, maybe a top three pick for all of coaching history, every sport, every major American sport. In the, if there's one game with your life on the line, who are you picking to coach?

If it's a basketball game, a college basketball game, you're picking Rick Patino. How long has he been in St. John? Is this year two? No, this is, I believe you're four. Oh, you're four already? God, we're old. but to have them I mean I actually think they're going to make a run of the final four like I mean watching them play and I know that the game got close but they beat the crap out of Kansas yesterday

they were up by double digits for most of the game and Kansas made a late run and it was super exciting but year three at St. John's correction yeah year three yeah I didn't think it was year four but it is uh it is I have so much respect for the eras thing and I think that like as we progress into the show like, you know, Dan Wetzel had this tweet yesterday, Andy, as you know, I sent it to the group, but it's like how many coaches in college basketball are like above 70 or approaching 70

that are successful in basketball and it's just like not the same rate in football. So, and I think that maybe it's, there's reasons for that. I don't know. I mean, Signetti is in his 60s and is very successful and recently successful. But I will agree though with Dan because. Rick Petino and Tom Izzo, we've kind of written them off over years as saying kind of they've gone around the bend. But they just keep winning. They keep coming back.

Tom Izzo keeps making final fours. He's in the Sweet 16 again. Yeah. It's awesome. Rick Barnes is 70 plus at Tennessee. They are in the Sweet 16 again. Like he's been the most successful basketball coach at Tennessee, I guess other than Bruce Pearl. But Barnes now has kind of been able to keep it going longer than Pearl did because Pearl,

Yeah. Pearl made his own bed in that situation. But Kelvin Samson is 70. Yep. They went to the Final four last year and they're in a pretty good spot. They were a bunch of grown ass men at Houston. And then of course, Coach Cowell, man, my horse, my horse. He's only 67.

Well, and Bill Self, 63. Bill Self came out on the losing end of the St. John's game. But what the coaching matchup at the end of that game was, unbelievable because Bill Self looks at the scoreboard sees they've got two team fouls going into that last St. John's possession and so they milked so much clock just fouling

like they made this situation very difficult for St. John's. I actually think they fouled quickly on the first two fouls Andy. Well I mentioned Bill Self said he got mad. Yeah. He got mad. He was mad after everyone because it wasn't quite exactly what he wanted. But he did drain the clock.

and essentially leave St. John's with only a couple options. And so let's go into the St. John's huddle. And Rick Petito is trying to call a play. And Dylan Darling, his nickname is Bells. We'll get it a Y later. But Dylan Darling speaks up. Producer River, play that clip. But here's the amazing thing

and the funniest thing I've ever been involved with. So we're going to run a play, but they got fouls to give. And Bells comes up to me and says, power, which is a high back screen pick and roll. So I walk away, I said, okay, Powell, I walk away and said, wait a second, he hasn't scored a bucket and he wants to run a play for himself. And then I'm thinking as I'm walking, I said, but he's bells.

And not only did he do it, he went with his right hand. Yeah, you know, by the time they ran out of fouls, I think there was probably four seconds left in the play that coach was trying to run. There wasn't enough time for it. And, you know, I threw the suggestion out. And, you know, I don't think coach really had a choice at that point in time. So we went with it. And, you know, I probably don't deserve this.

I was pretty bad all night long. But, you know, my teammates held it down tonight. You know, everybody stepped up, including this dude right here. And just happy to keep, you know, to keep this thing rolling. Lorenzo Arena with clutch points, Dylan, is this your first buzzer beater or have you hit something like this before? This is my first one in college. first one, what did you do in the NBA? Well, I'm saying I played in high school and middle school coach.

You know, I didn't just start playing ball. First of all, offensive line coaches in the crowd, thrilled they ran power to win the game. Yeah. And basketball power sounds a lot like football power in terms of the blocking. I mean, it didn't. He had a pretty clear shot to the rim there, you know, with how much time was left. Like you saw the expression. I think Kansas players were surprised to see who had the ball.

And he had a bad game to that point. And then also usually when there's, what was there was three and a half seconds left in the game. Like you would anticipate a shot there. You wouldn't anticipate a drive to the rim. But did you see Rick Petino, like when he made the shot, like how like emotionless he was? Like it was just like, yeah, of course that would. So Dylan Darling, his nickname is Bells. Rick Petino gave him that nickname earlier this season.

The full nickname is Church Bells because he has balls as big as church bells. That's amazing. I mean, clearly. And he showed it. I mean, calls his own number with zero baskets beforehand. Yeah. And it was such a smooth take and so pretty. And it was just like perfect.

It looked like they had practiced that a billion times. I mean, I actually think that this was the epitome of March because you had a fierce comeback, a highly compelling situation with the fouls, and then like the range of emotions that a Kansas fan had to go through, unfortunately for them, which is we're cooked. Holy crap. We're not cooked. We're right here. It's tied. We're fouling. Three seconds left.

Oh, God, our season's over. It's like that's how fast it happens. And it was just a, it was a rough go of it for Kansas fans. it's also a rough go for people who had St. John's minus 3. I don't know any of those people. It couldn't be me. But, you know, it couldn't be you. It was a, that was a highly entertaining game.

And I think maybe one of the better finishes of the entire tournament. I do think that Kansas could have forced overtime if, because like Bill's self isn't wrong and being upset. They fouled weight. They had, was there two fouls they had, team fouls at the beginning. And there was 11 seconds left. And they were fouling immediately. They just, the whole point was to not let them cross the line. Yeah.

I was yelling at my TV because I was like, why isn't St. John's trying to get the ball across half court so that when they finally do inbound the ball, they're going to be on the right side of the court. Yeah. It actually, and this ties into Dylan Darling calling the right play for himself, you needed the runway for that to work.

You needed this floor spacing, the defense to be spaced out for that to work. So that was impressive. It was incredible. Absolutely incredible. It's not the only one of those of the day, but before we move on to Iowa, shocking Florida and a beautiful play call,

again, it's one of those that we can tie that one to football too. But remember Rick Petino and his history in the NCAA tournament with buzzer beaders. He's on the business end of maybe the most famous buzzer beater in NCAA tournament history. And he got asked about, that in light of St. John's winning.

Now, remember, St. John's beating Kansas means they go to Washington, D.C., and in the Sweet 16, they are playing the Duke Blue Devils, the team that hit the most famous buzzer be here in NCAA tournament history against Rick Petino's Kentucky team in 1992. Take it away, Rick Petino. Rick, Mike McHara, New York Post. You've pretty famously been on the other side of endings like that before. Can you put to words what the kind of?

contrast is like, just in your own feeling the difference between one second to the next when that happened? So, Mike, the other day, I'm not big into watching like Yellowstone and shows like that on the iPad, but everybody's convincing me to watch this Paradise. And I was so sick of commercials with Christian Leightner hitting that shot over and over and over. So, okay, I'll watch Paradise. In the first episode of Paradise, the president of the United States has a thing called, no, he didn't say Leighton. He said, Wildcat or something, something to do with Leighton's shot. And I said, why would, that's cruel.

Why would my staff and friends tell me to watch Paradise? And throughout the whole episode, it's that. But I've been on winning at the buzzer and losing at the buzzer. and tonight a player it just I just can't imagine a player today in today's world with all his scrutiny wanting the ball when he's shooting terrible I got on him because he was digging and left a three-point shooter alone and we weren't supposed to dig we were supposed to stay on him at home but for him to want the ball in that scenario just speaks volumes of what he's all about about confidence and going on the next play.

So you win some, you lose some, and I'm hoping we can get Duke at the buzzer next. I'm hoping we can get Duke at the buzzer next. That's the title of this episode, by the way. Yeah, I think they're going to be. I'm taking them straight up to win next week. Well, BetMGM has installed Duke as a six and a half point favorite in that game.

But oh man, this is this is going to be so much fun. So Friday night, 7.10 p.m., Washington, D.C., St. John's Duke, Rick Petino against Duke. That's John Shire, it's not Coach K, but still, but still, this is going to be amazing. Now, I realize that this game's tipping off, like, right at the beginning of my anniversary dinner. Oh, I'm sorry, Britt. Ari's not going to be locked in. I mean, he's going to be locked in, not on you. I'll be locked in on her.

She does that thing with the hair. You know, I'll be, I'll be okay. That's a, it's a shame because I wanted to sit in front of my TV with popcorn and watch it. But, you know, we'll just watch it from a restaurant, I guess. So, Ari, that was not the only buzzer beater. Mm-mm. On Sunday night.

The other one, it actually wasn't at the buzzer, but it was close enough because it then created a buzzer-beater attempt from the other team. So Iowa, Florida, Iowa shocking, top-seated Florida, an incredible inbound play. And it's interesting that we're going from Rick Petino talking about Leitner shot, which, by the way, so glad he didn't spoil the end of the first episode of Paradise because that's one of those, like, if somebody mentions that they're going to try to watch it, you don't say a word, no details whatsoever, but he didn't give away anything. I'm in that scenario. I've been told to watch it and I have not yet.

Yeah, you're going to hate it, but most people will like it. James Marsden's character plays the president. He is a Kentucky fan. His Secret Service code name is Wildcat. And then there is a reference to the Leitner shot. Why will I hate it? Is it sci-fi? I'm not going to say anything else. No more, no more details. Nope. No details. because it is a jaw drop into the first episode, and I am not going to spoil it for anybody. So I'm glad he brought up the Leitner shot, though,

because as I was watching the replays of the play Iowa ran to beat Florida, I thought about the Leitner shot. I was watching my Twitter feed as people were complaining about what Florida did defensively. And basically, all the Florida fans are like, why did you guard the inbound so aggressively? Well, very famously, in the most famous buzzer beater in NCAA tournament history, Rick Petino did not guard the inbounder and express regret for that later. So Florida aggressively guards the endbounder.

They're essentially pressing Iowa, which allows a pass to Bennett Sturts, who's Iowa's best player. He catches it on the run. And I said to this to Ari before we started recording. If you remember the 2008, it was either 2018 or 2019, Ohio State Michigan game. It was the one where Michigan was favored. And Ohio State just killed them on crossing routes, killed them. Like exposed Don Brown's scheme as badly as you can expose this game.

Bennett starts, he's a slot receiver in another life because he caught a crossing route that the DB couldn't cover and took off running and it created this two on two where there was no hope whatsoever for Florida to stop the shot.

It was so perfect because he's got Alvaro Fulgaris in the corner for a baseline three which is as automatic as a good shooter like a shot for a good shooter gets. Thomas Howe is covering

sturtz as he's coming down the floor. So he's shadowing him down the floor. Condon, Florida's giant post guy, is down under the basket. Sturt's, it's a two-point game. So Sturts could drive and tie it, so Hauk's got to respect

that. Sertz could pull up and two to three and Hauk's got to respect that. Condon's got to stay by the rim. His job is to protect the rim. So by the time Sturtz kicks it into the corner, Condon's stuck.

He can't get out. He can't close out. So Hauk's got to try to slough off and try to close out. There was nothing they could do. The shot was wide open. And if Fulgaris didn't like the look, he could have just thrown it back to Sturts for an open three. It was as perfect to play.

Ben McCollum, by the way, Ben McCollum, your Kurt Signetti Bob Chesney comparison, coached in D2 a few years ago. and then on to Drake and then on to Iowa. So, like, we keep comparing these guys to football coaches, but there's a real parallel there. Like Ben McCollum is one of those one at every level kind of guys. We mentioned that with Josh Scher's at St. Louis.

Also, like Fran McCaffrey was Iowa's coach for 15 years, and they're already in the Sweet 16 in Year 1 in her McCollum. Did I say that they didn't make it through the Sweet 16 during Fran McCaffrey's 15 years? You did mention that? I mean, that's pretty crazy when you think about, like, the output of, like, immediate success. Yeah, so before the show, I just asked you, why were they pressing? And I don't know enough about X's and O's and basketball, but you can cover the inbounder without pressing game.

Yeah, I think if Todd Golden had to do it over again, he probably would just pick them up at the half court line and make them run an offensive play, which probably gets you a less open shot than what they got. But then Florida had a chance because the Iowa one went fast, Florida had four and a half seconds left and Zadian Lee brings it drives actually kind of

it wasn't similar to the St. John's one in that the defense was not that spaced out he was in among the trees but he tries to pass it to Halk and he really should have just tried to shoot out of he was out of time he had he needed to shoot that ball

so it probably wasn't what they wanted he might have been able to draw a foul too like but he was at a terrible angle to the rim Like he was under the basket by the time he decided to pass it. So I don't know. Like I just hate. And I know that this happens all the time.

But like when you have four seconds left and you're down by whatever point margin you are, but within one possession, and you don't even manage to get a shot off. I find that to be like frustrating as hell. Well, it's how Florida won the national title last year. They kept Houston from getting a shot off in the final possession.

That's, yeah. So it's, you know, give it and take it the way, I guess. And it's also really hard. I think like if you're a Florida fan,

you're probably down in the dumps right now, but it should give you an appreciation for when they went back to back and how hard it was. I think I read a stat somewhere that said like only two of the last nine defending national champions have advanced past the Sweet 16. So like it's not an easy thing to do, especially with the randomness of this tournament, although you probably are upset because Iowa was a nine seed

and you, you know, were a much better team all year. I did have to explain to the ladies in my house that this means Florida doesn't get to play anymore. Okay. Were they bummed? as bummed as you would be if you didn't know what the what losing in the tournament meant. Yeah. Now, my son who knew exactly what that meant,

just went out in the driveway and started shooting baskets. He plays football, everybody. Like, just burning off the energy, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, rough, rough go of it for sure. But, like, that's the amazing part about the tournament. Right now, Iowa and Nebraska are playing. in the next round and it's the best game of history of the planet it's the least sexy seed

matchup but it's probably the most interesting matchup they they split the season series Nebraska won in Lincoln Iowa won in Iowa City this game's in Houston right I think so yeah bar owners of Houston I'm warning you now you think you have enough beer you don't have enough beer order more now Nebraska is a two and a half point favorite, according to BetMGM, and the over under is 133.5. And somebody posted a screenshot of this to Twitter. And I thought it was hilarious that it says, hungover Black Friday with a 36.5 point total vibes. And it's like, we do get a, you know, this is all.

Except when they play on Black Friday, the total is 28. 36.5 point total vibes. But hey, you know, it's a, you know, there's a lot of corn in Houston. And I'm here for it. I love this. They're rivals in basketball, right? Oh, they're rivals and everything. And they're border states.

Let's hear from the Iowa folks about their final shot. Can you start? And then I can. Yeah, the play was drawn up for me to get downhill. And then this dude came up to me. He's like, I'm going to be ready and I'm going to make it. That's what he did. Did you actually say that?

He said that. I said that. You're crazy, man. I did. And he made it. That was me. Yeah. Yeah, he's got, what do they say?

Ultra confidence. Yeah, irrational confidence. That too. I love it. I mean, I'll work a lot to be. I know. I'm right now. I know.

I know. I'm just so. He's got balls as big as church bells, but Ben McCollum's not going to say that. Rick Petino is going to say that. Andy, I always get it. Saying that to your teammate,

what the church bells it takes to say that to your teammate? Because if you don't make that shot, it doesn't get any more perfect than that. If you don't make that shot, you know, I just, we hear this stuff a lot, and I just think that,

like, part of being a high level competitor, if you're good enough to be a basketball player with a scholarship to Iowa and be a starter or somebody who has a pretty large role in the rotation, that, like, I think that every athlete thinks they're going to make the shot when it's their time. Like,

I don't know that that's a unique perspective, but yes, it takes, it takes Cajonos. And Andy, the other thing I like to think about all the time, is whenever I hear because I heard the accent after and I looked up where he was from Spain.

Yeah. I always like to think about like people's life paths and it's like you grew up in Spain, which may or may have been somewhere around Barcelona, which is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. And then you flew and moved all the way to Iowa City, Iowa. Like you think about like all the like life paths that you have like in terms of drastic change. Like my mom grew up in the Middle East.

and she lived in Columbus, Ohio, and then she moved to Phoenix. Like, that is a pretty wild. So I'm like, fast-ins. A couple big swings there. Yeah, yeah. So it's a, it's just a wild, wild path. But that was an amazing play, an amazing shot.

And, you know, kudos to Iowa for drawing that up because, you know, we always oftentimes, like, I think in basketball, it's a little bit easier to, like, diminish the importance of, of, like, coaching and X's and O's because, like, really there's so much improvisation. and like star power and weather shots are going down and stuff, but like, God, what a play. If they insist on playing, man, kill them with crossing routes. Sorry, Ron.

Yeah, Don Brown was the defense coordinator for Florida on that one, I think. Yeah, yeah, Don Brown, former Michigan defensive coordinator. And now speaking of Michigan, speaking of Michigan, we have another really juicy topic. So we're back to football now. We're going to football. This is a story that came out Friday. our friend Ross Dellinger, Yahoo, wrote this story,

was waiting for Utah to release some documents. And Utah released these documents on Friday, and it shows how the Utah Kyle Whittingham divorce went down and how Kyle Whittingham ended up becoming a free agent so that he could then take the Michigan job. Ari, the takeaway from this to me is, Utah's paying Kyle Whittingham $13 million over three years

to take a better job. Yeah. The paying part, I think, was interesting. But like, we also knew the score here, which was they were ready for a change. They wanted to move on. Kyle Whittingham wanted to move on, and then the Michigan job fell out of the time. Kyle Whittingham didn't want to move on.

And that's what's interesting. Maybe he did, maybe this is posturing. But based on the emails from his agent to Mark Harlan, the Utah AD, he didn't want to move on. He did want a raise, and he wanted a fairly large commitment to roster compensation. But it wouldn't be anything different than anybody.

Because remember, Kalani Sataki just got a raise. Penn State was interested in him, so BYU bumped him up and bumped up the commitment for the roster. you're dealing with Texas Tech. You're dealing with their spend on the roster, and they bumped up Joey McGuire. So, Kyle Whittingham's agent, Bruce Tolner, is asking for a raise to $9 million a year

and asking for a commitment of $20 million to the roster or $20 million in NIL. I don't know if that's $20 million above revenue share or how they're characterizing that. But when an increase of $2 million for his staff, salary pool. So I wanted to give, probably wanted to give Jason Beck the O.C. a raise. The deal they sent back, the deal that Utah sent back, because this was, this was, you know, sort of Whittingham shooting his shot to come back as Utah's coach. The deal they sent

back was insulting, frankly. And it was exactly what you just said, already, like clearly Utah ready to move on to the Morgan Scali era, Morgan Scally, former Whittingham era player who's been on the staff for a long time as the defensive coordinator, who is the coach in waiting. Essentially, they offered Kyle Whittingham a demotion. You didn't. So what you're basically saying, Andy, here is if Kyle Whittingham goes to Michigan and is awesome, and Morgan Scally isn't great, that this is going to feel really bad. Oh, they're going to look so stupid.

Somebody's going to look stupid in this. Somebody's going to look terrible in this. And if, well, that's not true. I guess if Morgan Scally's awesome at Utah and Kyle Whittingham's awesome at Michigan, then it worked out for the best. But if Kyle Whittingham takes Michigan to the playoff and Utah is just kind of an also-ran Big 12 team, they're going to look so dumb at Utah. So what they offered him to come back was essentially an agreement that said,

hey, you're going to coach this year, but you are seeding control. to Morgan Scali essentially. And they were going to have a person from the athletic department, take up residence in the football building. Scali was going to get final decisions or, you know, final decision making personnel staff and all that as the time went on. And it was definitely a forced transition plan that if Whittingham didn't go by, they could fire him.

Or, or Wittingham could sign this. agreement for $13.5 million over three years. The first payment is $8 million, and he could go to any other job except a job in the state of Utah. So they're obviously not worried about Weber State or Utah State. It's BYU that they're worried about. BYU would be I mean, I guess for a minute there, BYU might have been in the in the market, right? So well, think about when this is happening. So this is happening in the first week or so of December. So this is happening when Kalani Sataki is a candidate for the Penn State job. So that is something that they're thinking about.

But that they didn't think about, because I don't, I'm not sure it crossed their mind that he'd be a candidate for something better. Like, this is very provincial thinking. Like, you're just going to keep away from BYU. The question that I have in this whole situation is if Kyle Whittingham were available, at the time, and if Michigan would have just fired Sharon Moore during the height of the carousel, if Whittingham would have been the selection, or if Whittingham was the selection because they fired him at a bad time and he was the only option. I think-

The only conceivable option because he was- What you said last is what happened and is the reason it happened? I don't know what would have happened if, say, Matt Campbell had been. available. Right. Had, you know, but here's the thing. Let's look at the coaches that got hired because Somerall was going in SEC school. Kiffin was going to LSU.

Campbell would have been the one I think that Michigan might have been interested in it. But then Penn State would have had to hire somebody. And if they didn't get Sakaki and all of a sudden Kyle Winningham's available, Penn State might have hired Kyle Winningham. Yeah. I mean, I think the whole thing that stinks for Utah. and for Kyle Whittingham too, and maybe this is a moon for Michigan because he probably has a chip on his shoulder. He did so much for Utah for such a long period of time and like to get treated like that on the way out.

Now, granted, he is getting paid a lot of money to leave. But even the offer that he was given would be like, okay, thanks, man. Like you don't think I can do this? Like, it's just a, I would take that as a slap in the face if I were him. it reminds me of like when somebody's been working at dominoes for 20 years and they give them like a gift card to wing stop when they retire like it's just like come on show some respect to the guy who did everything for your program well also i'm betting when very quickly michigan snapped up kow winningham that the people at utah are like wait did we make a mistake here we make a mistake

yeah it's the same deal like you break up we just paid this guy to go somewhere else yeah you know you you break up with a girl and then she ends up with like a really Rich. This is a case of did you not realize what you had? I think that the only way we will know that is in two years. But yeah. Like I think that Utah routinely punched above its weight class. And if you did not know what you had, you're stupid.

Yeah. By the way, the bonus payment, the $13 million, I believe it's $13.5 million. So $8 million of it. was the upfront part of the bonus. And it was to quote unquote ensure a smooth transition. Kyle winning him was stealing coaches and players. And all they sent him was a strongly worded letter. Like, we're disappointed that you did this.

Here's $8 million. Translation, we wrote this so poorly that we can't even keep you from taking the money after you took our OC and our best edge rusher and the rest of the office. I don't understand is what would have been different if they didn't pay him anything. I don't know. I mean, he still had a contract. Yeah. I mean, you're still working under a contract.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was a smooth transition for everybody. We'll see how bumping. It was not a smooth transition for Utah. They lost their O.C. They lost their best edge rusher. I mean, they also got, I mean, they're guys in place now.

So if they, if, and like, listen, it's not like the person that's now in charge at Utah hasn't been a part of the staff for years and like the future of the program. I think that's the question. question. And I think we're going to get the answer to it over the next couple years, as you said, because Morgan Scali has obviously been a big part of the program, has been the coach in waiting, so he's been working as if he's going to be taking over, has had, you know, has had a chance to make high level decisions because of that. So. And there, but there's no guarantee. It may be that Scali was, was a big part of the reason Whittingham was so successful. And I think Wittingham would probably say. that. So it may be that they're just fine. Yeah, I mean, it's yeah, he could be more, he could be, uh, Marcus Freeman for all we know. We don't know that, but like here, here's the deal. And I get in trouble when I say stuff like this, but I just, this is who I am. I think that overachieving at Utah and being successful in Michigan are very different jobs. Correct. And you

could be good at both. This isn't negative. I think that Kyle Woodingham probably will be very good at both. But beating Penn State and Ohio State and Oregon and USC making the playoff and competing for national championships is a different job than winning the PAC 12 when you're not supposed to, I think. So, like, we'll see how that transition goes, but I think that the same concern goes for Penn State. Matt Campbell overachieving at Iowa State is a great story, and he certainly deserves this opportunity, but going out and being at Penn State and elevating the program from what James Franklin got it to is a much different job. So, you know, that's part of the intrigue of, of this season in these transitions,

big time programs, taking big time swings at guys that may or may not work. But, you know, Matt Campbell has won at a very high level for a long time. Their staff, their talent evaluators, everybody from top to bottom at Iowa State was top notch. So Penn State made the right higher. But now the stakes are raised. that the stakes are raised at Michigan. Like, that's the way it goes. And when you go to Penn State or Michigan,

that's what you're signing up for. So I think it's a little bit different for Campbell than it is for Whittingham because my understanding is that Wittingham's probably in the, you know, at least final 10 years of his career. And Matt Campbell has a long, bright future ahead of him. But I'm excited to see how the season goes. And, you know, sometimes I think when coaches overachieve

at smaller programs for long periods of time, there is a general, like, appreciation for them across the board. But when you go to Michigan or if you go to Penn State and you're awesome, that's when you become full-fledged superstar. So, like, I'm excited to see how these transitions go, but, you know, Utah certainly made a gamble. And maybe it was a bold strategy cotton. And I'm looking forward to seeing how it pays off or plays out. It's going to be wild. It's going to be wild.

But there is, there is a probably better than 50% chance that Utah comes out of this looking really stupid. Really stupid. You paid him to take a better job. Yeah. But what a deal. I mean, comedy must be like, I hit the lottery.

Yeah. These people are paying me. They don't respect me. Despite what I've done. Meanwhile, these other people at one of the historically greatest college football programs

in the country do respect me and I get to keep the other people's money. What a deal. What a deal. What a life. Oh, love it. All right.

Ari, it's a very exciting time. Very exciting point in the offseason because we got win totals now. The folks at BetMGM dropped the power conference win totals over the weekend. I did a column diving into the SEC. I'm going to do Big Ten for Tuesday. So if you're on on three, you're reading the SEC when this morning, this afternoon going, wait, wait, wait, this is just the SEC.

Big Ten's coming tomorrow. We'll do ACC and Big 12 later in a week. These are fascinating, Ari, because I looked at them initially and saw that there's only, there's three teams with nine and a half in Georgia, LSU, Texas. There's nobody with double digits.

And I thought, okay, so that's because they went to nine conference games this year. But then I went to look at last year. There were no SEC teams in double digits going to the season last year either. Yeah. I think part of the reason. Georgia was nine and a half also.

Alabama was, Texas was. The perceived rigor of the schedule. And, you know, obviously, it's kind of how it's been playing out, right? Teams have been eating each other. So, you know, I read your story this morning, but what were the ones that stood out to you the most? Well, so I had five that stood out to me,

and it was interesting because it was four, that I thought were going to go over and only one that I thought was going to go under. People are like, oh, I know people are going to say, you can't have all of them going over. Well, there are more unders

in the ones that I didn't pick, but the problem is, there's a lot of schools. I just, like teams, I just don't know what they're going to be. So I don't feel comfortable making a prediction with Tennessee or with Missouri,

with South Carolina. We don't know, you know, with their offensive blind situation. But the ones that jumped out to me, Georgia at 9.5. Oklahoma at 7.5. Ole Miss at 7.5. Kentucky at 4.5.

And then Vandy at 6.5. So, Vandiel is the one I said, I thought would go under. Because even in year one with Diego Pavi, they only went 6 and 6. That's an under with this number. Yeah.

They're going to have a freshman starting quarterback. And granted, Jared Curtis is a highly touted recruit. But I think the six and a half is a massive sign of respect for Clark Lee. But I don't think it appreciates how hard this job is and how hard this is going to be without Diego Pavia. Yeah. Well, the hope for Vanderbilt is too that the program from top to bottom is further along when they were in Diego Pavia year one. So, you know, but you also have to take into account that a lot of the teams at the top of this list, Andy, have tough out-of-conference games like LSU has to play Clemson,

Texas is Ohio State. These are all things that you have to take into account. But yes, Vanderbilt at six and a half seems low. You were really fired up about Kentucky, though. Let's talk about Kentucky. I was fired up. You know, I felt very similar to last year when, now I think Wake Forest was a three and a half last year.

I can't remember they were three and a half or four and a half, but I'm pretty sure there were three and a half. And at that point, I knew exactly what Jake Dickert was doing there. understood what they were going to be. And I was like, that's the easiest over of this year. The easiest over of this year. And it was. They went over.

I'm trying to remember. I want to say it was like late October. They went over. But this feels like the easiest one this year. Because yes, it's a nine-game conference, you know, SEC schedule. Yes, they still have to play Louisville. Yes, Louisville is still going to be pretty good. But I think Kentucky is going to be better.

I think Will Stein is not coming in, expecting a year zero. You look at what they did. They went out and spent a bunch of money in the portal on experienced power conference starting offensive linemen. You know, they bring in guys who've started at Tennessee and Ohio State. This is not an accident. We'll see what he does in quarterback. But this is not supposed to be a year zero.

So remember, they were five and seven when they fired Mark Stoops last year. So all they have to do is have the same season they had last year under Mark Stoops, and you win. Okay, I'm going to play a game with you real quick with Kentucky. Okay. Which program should have a better football team next year? Okay. Youngstown State or Kentucky? Kentucky.

Alabama or Kentucky? Alabama. Texas A&M. Texas A&M? South Alabama. Kentucky South Carolina Maybe Kentucky, maybe South Carolina

That's a toss-up LSU That would be LSU Oklahoma Oklahoma Vanderbilt Kentucky Kentucky should have a better team

next year than Vanderbilt Okay They should Tennessee Sorry producer river I don't know Toss up Tennessee

Come on that's Tennessee Tossa You should be better next year Okay. Then you have Florida, Missou and Louisville, which I think is all the other teams. Kentucky kicked the crap out of Florida last year,

but Florida, they hope they're better this year with the Kentucky grad that they hired. So you do 50-50 on South Carolina, which I'll give you, that's three and a half Kentucky's. So like that. Okay. When Kentucky goes over,

we'll commemorate it on the show. I think that it's an okay bet, but I see why the number is four and a half. I do see why the number is four and a half too. Somebody's going to get significantly better. Somebody's going to get worse. And that's the part I can't figure out. And that's why I didn't have a pick for everyone.

And I guess I could have gin something up. But it's not honest because I don't know who's going to get worse. But some of these teams are going to get worse. Yeah. So the reason why you can't say Vanderbilt. I mean, sorry, you can't say Tennessee. is because Tennessee's win total is literally seven and a half. It's three times, three games more.

So now Tennessee might have a rough go of it. And maybe you might like the under of that. I know there's a few people in the On Three office that do. But there's one on this list, Andy, that jumps out to me. And it screams and makes my hair catch on fire. I'm ready to think I think I know which one it is. Which one is it? Oklahoma.

No. No. That's interesting. the one that that and I don't even know if it's wrong. I just think it's interesting. Bama, without a tough non-conference game, unless you count Florida State,

who they lost to last year, is that eight and a half, man? When's the last time they were less than nine and a half? Like, has it been since I was in middle school? Like, that is a wild number. Well, yeah, it's, it was probably 2008. I don't know that,

that Vegas predicted, how good they got between 07 and 08. So that probably would have been the last time. But, yeah. And that's a tricky one too, because you could go over and the fan base isn't happy. Tennessee is the same way.

Tennessee at 7.5 is the same way. You could barely go over. Then it, and nobody's happy. Yeah. Everybody's still mad at you. So, yeah. I like the over of the Texas because I'm a sucker for Texas. It's my drug.

Yeah, if you feel like Texas is going to make the playoff, you take the over. That's why I did say take the over on Georgia, because until they don't win double-digit games in the regular season, take the over. Yeah. They just keep doing it. Like you can say all you want about how they've exited the playoff. The fact of the matter is they played hard schedules in 24 and 25 and won the SEC.

They made the SEC championship game both years and then won the SEC. Until they stopped doing that, why would I stop believing that they're going to do that? Also, what about LSU, the most interesting program of the offseason? I did not. If you think they're going to get beat Clemson, are they going to lose three times in the SEC? Yeah, I did not make a pick on this because I'm not ready to answer the question.

Is Lane Kiffing going to make the playoff in year one? I don't think we know enough yet. Yeah. I mean, they won the portal. Well, a lot of teams won the portal. No, they won the portal. Texas won the portal more probably. Did they?

Well, Ellis, you got a quarterback, but... LSU also got the best offensive lineman. That's true. That's true. You know, and trust me, I'm here for Cam Coleman. You know that about me. But, um... Oh, yeah.

I really like teams. Like if you had a bucket, like if you pooled together, every national college football reporter on earth and said, give me 10 teams that you think are most likely to win the national title. I think LSU and Texas would both make that top 10. And anytime you have a team that you perceive to be a national championship contender, not in double digits,

like I think that's an automatic overbet. Now, you might not win all of them. But like when we get to the Big Ten tomorrow, you'll see, too, there's another national championship contender that has, not lost, has not lost three times in the regular season since 2011 who's sitting at nine and a half. Like it's just, it's like a, there's a lot of nine. And again, they got a much tougher schedule than usual that, that particular team.

They do have a much tougher schedule and they also play one of the teams on our list. That's at nine and a half here today. But like it is, I would just, if you hit overs on all the teams that are national championship contenders that are sitting at nine and a half, you'll probably going to make money. All right. We got to talk about. The problem is that they're juiced out minus minus one. like some of them are like minus 145 too so like that that makes more difficult the juice the juice does

help even this out quite a bit but we got to talk about oklahoma yes oklahoma seven and a half that shocked me that shocked me because i'm not looking at oklahoma as a team that will take a step back this year if anything i think with a healthy john material now we don't know he's going to be healthy all season, but it was a pretty freaky injury. If you wind up with a healthy John Matere all season, I know they lost some good players on their defense, like Armaeus and Thomas, Grayson Halton, Owen Heineke, who I believe is trying to get the year back still, but he's essentially going through the draft process. They're still going to be good on defense, though they were absurdly deep last year.

And the one thing we trust Brent Medeval to do is put a great defense on. the field. So if they develop any kind of running game at all, because they were not good running the ball last year, they're going to be just fine, Ari. Like, they probably can make the playoff again. They can definitely win eight games. They also have to play Michigan on the road this year, which I think that they should be favored in. But if you look at the first five games of their schedule, like that's a pretty rough go of it. So I guess, what did we say last year? The last seven games of Oklahoma schedules, the hardest game,

you know, hardest seven game stretch we've ever seen in our lives. Yeah, I mean, it was a hard schedule last year. They won 10 games. Isaiah Satania's back and Trell Harris and Parker Livingston

are like pretty good additions. So they should have really good receivers. And that was a room that's been crushed by injury the last few years. And, you know, like I know Deon Burks was, it was pretty good player last year. And, you know,

I'm obsessed with him because of Cole Kublick. You know that. By the way, Cole Kublaq got a kidney stone at Disney World, went to the ER at like, six in the morning and then like made it to Disney world and still made it to Epcot if you yeah go to cool's Instagram the uh what a dog the many men interest I mean yeah as we're talking about Oklahoma and many men like the many men entrance for Cole and Epcot is uh is impressive now unfortunately

had to be at Epcot after having kidney stones but you know you can't win them all but uh I hear that having kidney stones is like the worst pain a man can feel and it scares me because like I don't know how I'm just imagining how that you know how all that works and yeah just the whole plumbing of it sounds terrible all right oklahoma this win total i it's massively disrespectful yeah i mean massively disrespectful if you like look because like i think you've been massively disrespectful to vanderville on this podcast by the way uh and i'm not saying you're wrong or right i'm just saying like if i'm a vanderville fan i'm probably screaming what do you think is more likely vandy goes six and six or worse or oklahoma goes eight and four better

What do you think is more likely those? It's more likely that Oklahoma goes eight and four better. Okay. I'm not saying that what you said was wrong or that I even disagree with you. I'm just saying when you look at this list, think about all the teams that perceived to be building something. Ole Miss made their first playoff run last year, seven and a half. Oh, I had Ole Miss on there too.

I said Ole Miss is getting massively respected too. I think the over on Ole Miss makes a lot of sense. I mean, look, though. A&M makes the playoff for the first time, eight and a half. Alabama made the playoff won a playoff game, but hasn't gotten the results that they want under Caleb Nabori at 8.5. Florida, new coach, super excited, 7 and a half. Oklahoma makes the playoff.

Ole Miss makes the playoff, makes a run on the playoffs, 7.5. Tennessee, sad Tennessee, 7 and a half. It's the book saying we know some of these are going to fall off. But Oklahoma signs. What is the sign for Oklahoma that they're going to fall off? Like, Ole Miss, they lost their head coach. Now, I don't think, I actually think

Ole Miss is going to go over this, but I understand because they lost their head coach. Oklahoma, nothing happened that would suggest a two and a half or a three game drop. Their schedule's hard. Their schedule last

year was really hard. Yeah. Maybe the thought process that Kentucky should be better. Florida should be better. South Carolina should be better. Michigan should be better. That's on the road. Maybe like just everybody being a little bit better. creates a higher variance for slipping. I guess that's true.

I mean, you play at Michigan and at Georgia in the first month of the season. That is pretty rough. Yeah, and if you start off, you know, I mean, it's not inconceivable. Now it would be a disaster, but it's not inconceivable that they can do it. I just don't see them falling off the table.

I really don't. No, I don't either. I think they're going to be better than they were last year offensively. They might take a slight step back defensively, but if they're better offensively, then it should balance out. if they're as good defensively, then you're talking about a team that should be able to compete for the national

title. Yeah. And there's seven and a half. Yeah. We don't know what Michigan's going to be. I think that that's going to be a make or break for them. And whether, I mean,

it's just, that's early game and maybe it won't be. Four games, Ari, if you lose the mission, you still lose three SEC games. I know. It seems low.

You want to know what you're, remember, we're not having the, can Oklahoma make the playoff discussion? We're having the can Oklahoma win eight games discussion. That's why I was like, this makes no sense. We should put it in. I should.

And the Kentucky over. Very easy for me as somebody who loves offseason hype to think that South Carolina's one game too low. I don't because the Jukaris peak injury, the Josiah Thompson injury, which clearly the staff had an idea. it was an issue and they might not have him. Right. Peaks should be ready for the season, hopefully. They hope. They hope, but we don't know that.

And they have the road game at Clemson at the end of the year. But Clinton's not very good. Right. Auburn's six and a half. So a weird one because you're like, oh, you know, Alex Gulles comes in. They bring that whole offense. It should be pretty good.

But then you remember that Auburn hasn't finished the season with a winning record since 2020. Arkansas cycle. I mean, South Carolina schedule. Kent State should be a win. Towson should be a win. Mississippi State should be a win. You could be three in O right out of the gate.

Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't make, Mississippi State's going to beat somebody. No, I know. I'm just saying they should be three and O going into the second month of the season. They could be Kentucky. They could conceivably beat Florida. They could conceivably beat Tennessee. They could conceivably beat A&M, Arkansas, and Clemson.

Like I think that like there's a high variance if things like work for them for them. And that's why I didn't put in a pick on South Carolina, because I don't know what they're going to be. New offense under Kendall Briles, I do not know what they're going to be. All the things, now the offensive line injuries suck. There's no question. I mean, that's just terrible luck.

Well, and the thing is bad offensive line play is why they were so bad last year, or it's part of the reason, but a big part of the reason, why they were so bad last year. So if they're not going on the offensive line again this year, then they're probably going to have a similar season of last year. I do find it kind of funny, though,

that South Carolina basically kept intact all the reasons why people, thought they were a dark horse team to make the to make the playoff last year. And now we're like, oh, they're not going to win seven games. It's like, I think it's an overcorrection to a bad season. And like, I'm sure Shane Beamer, you know, did. There's one thing that's out of his control, which is Jacarius Peak hurting himself during a basketball.

They did what they were supposed to do in the portal to, to fix the problem. In the Josiah Thompson thing, I think is not something that came out of left field. Like, they had to have known that. So, like, they did everything in the portal that they should have, done, like 7 and 5 is not crazy to me with them. But what's more likely 7 and 5 South Carolina or 8 and 4 Oklahoma or better? I don't know. Oklahoma feels like the most obvious one of these.

Ole Miss feels pretty disrespectful too. Yeah, that's another one. Because again, I get it. They lost their head coach, but they bring back Trinidad Shamlist, which is the most important part of it. They bring back Key Juan Lacey. The defense is reconstructed. Again, that's Pete Golding's side of the ball.

He's been good in the portal before. Just, it's my understanding that Chambliss is going to play. But is there like a 20% chance that he won't? That was my, that was the one thing I was wondering is, do they think that the NCAA might win its appeal to the Mississippi State Supreme Court to get that injunction thrown out? I don't know. That's the only thing I could think of.

But that's the reason why I would not bet it. right now. Well, you got time. You got time to find that. If Shambliss is going to play, though, that feels like it over. Yeah. But I wonder if it's low because there is like still a sliver of uncertainty with their quarterbacks.

That is what I wrote in the column. I said maybe do they have some inside info on this that we don't know about? Because I can't imagine why you would put this number here. Like eight and a half I would think is a very fair number for Ole Miss. But it would be a real. It feels low. Bad scenario for Trinidad if he somehow can't play next year because then he missed his window in the NFL too. No, he'd be in a supplemental draft.

When does that happen? In the summer. I don't know anything about that. I know that some players have been taken on the supplemental draft, but like from a salary structure perspective, like if you are. Yeah, you essentially say we would have used this level of pick on him. We would have used a third round pick on him. And so they take a third round pick from you next year. Oh.

And then do they like bid against like I would have used a first round against each other yes and the highest bidder wins. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So if somebody comes in and says we would to use a fifth round pick on him and then other team, we would use a fourth rounder. We would use a third rounder and they give it. It just goes to the highest bidder.

Got it. Yeah. That's a clever way of doing it. And then you get paid based on the salary structure of what that would have been. Correct. Okay. Which is weird because a lot of people are in the supplemental draft to have some sort of issue. So you wouldn't want to use that.

is why the bids probably don't go as high as they would have. Yeah, but a lot of times it was like an NCAA issue. Yeah. It was an eligibility thing, not an injury thing, not a crime thing. It was an eligibility situation, which doesn't really affect. Taken in this supplemental draft, Brian Bosworth, Chris Carter, Josh Gordon. I think Terrell Pryor was a supplemental draft pick too, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't he? So, yeah, interesting.

Okay. Well, okay. But before any Ole Miss fans hear this and freak out, we don't know anything about that. We're assuming Trinidad Chambers is going to play for Ole Miss this year. That's what I'm assuming at least. We're going to see. And Ole Miss isn't over. And we're theorizing it because the number doesn't make sense.

Like that's why we're talking about it. It's like, why is it so low? That's the only thing I can think of it. It's so interesting because at the top end, it doesn't change from last year. Because the top, there were three nine and a halfs last year at the top of the SEC. It does feel like just below the top is where they locked off. one from everybody for this nine games on schedule. I mean, it's just simple math too, Andy.

Not everybody can be nine and a half. Right. Right. So. But it feels like they lopped off one from Oklahoma and they lopped off one from Ole Miss. Maybe they locked off one from Tennessee. And Tennessee wouldn't have been eight to half, I don't think, in these circumstances. I, maybe, but maybe the extra conference game just isn't making that big of a difference in their minds.

Yeah. Because I think that's the fear among the SEC programs is that everybody's going to be nine and three. And nobody's going to make the playoff. But I don't think that's what's going to happen. No, I mean, half the conference seven teams are two lost teams or less. I guess two are the ones that would be on the chopping block for the third. But like they had 14 finish with one loss in the conference last year. Yeah, you had four teams of seven one records.

Like I think you're going to be fine. You're going to have good teams. You're going to have teams make the playoff. But, but it does. It does add another layer of intrigue to this that with the other leagues, we're not going to have to worry about that right now. It'll be just what it was last year in terms of the number of games. Now, we're going to do Big Ten tomorrow.

The numbers in the Big Ten are weird because the schedule draws are so wildly varied. In the SEC, it doesn't feel like the schedule draws are terribly varied. now it feels like teams that had an easier schedule draw the last couple of years don't anymore so that'd be Texas that'd be Missouri that'd be Vandy so and that's another like I had a I had really a really hard time with Missouri because six and five seems really low for a team that's won 10 10 and eight regular season games the last three years yeah but their schedule draw is so much harder than it was the last couple years. Well, one thing is first in the conference.

One team is going to finish way over and one team's going to finish way under. We don't know. At least. That's the gamble. That's the reason these exist. But yeah, it's a really interesting way to looking at the list. And I think that these lines should mirror how we view the conference championship race. Like Georgia, LSU, Texas are the clear favorites. Alabama is a wild card.

I think A&M and their next step is a wild card. Florida in Oklahoma being on the same line should be. same number as last year, by the way. Yeah. So I, that one I also was not touching. I don't know what that's going to be. And I'd be happy to be on the same line as Oklahoma,

Ole Miss, and Tennessee. Well, it's interesting. They basically start John Summerall at Billy Napier's ceiling for the four years. He was there. Seven,

seven was the highest regular season win total he had. That's bad. That's bad. That's bad. That's bad, that's bad bull. Exactly.

So we will see. what happens, but we'll dig deep into the win totals from the other leagues over the next few weeks because this is fascinating stuff. And like I said, the Big Ten column will be out Tuesday at on three. Ari and I will talk about it this week. Those numbers are going to look very different because the Big Ten schedule draw difficulty really flipped this year. We'll talk about all of that and more on tomorrow show.