Andy & Ari On3 - CFB's Most Wrongfully DISRESPECTED: Why Dabo Swinney, Ryan Day, & Lincoln Riley all made the list | Coastal Carolina HC Ryan Beard Joins

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

A few weeks ago, our very own J.D. Pickell put out a list of the most wrongfully disrespected college football figures in the sport. On today’s show, J.D. joins Andy & Ari to explain some of the names on his list. Watch here as the fellas dive deep into why Dabo Swinney, Ryan Day, & Lincoln Riley all made the list. Also, why is Georgia’s OC Mike Bobo on the list? Watch here as Andy & Ari discuss with J.D. Pickell here.   (0:00) On Today’s Episode (0:48) Presenting Sponsor (3:02) Intro: Previewing J.D. (3:53) J.D. PicKell joins (7:00) Why Dabo Swinney started it all (20:17) Mike Bobo, Georgia OC (29:28) Lincoln Riley, USC HC (38:19) Honorable Mentions (40:18) Closing out with J.D. (40:54) Coastal Carolina’s Ryan Beard joins (50:38) Ryan Beard’s time at Northern Michigan (58:56) Ryan Beard’s Rules for life (59:36) Conclusion: See you tomorrow!   After J.D. wraps up with the fellas, Andy & Ari are joined by Coastal Carolina’s newest head coach in Ryan Beard. Watch here as Beard explains meeting his wife, arriving at CCU, and implementing the standard for the Chanticleers football program.   Thanks for watching! Join Andy & Ari tomorrow to recap tonight’s March Madness games and preview the rest of the weekend slate ahead. Our show is also presented by BetMGM!   If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works:   1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB. 2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. 3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sure you use bonus code CFB when you sign up!   Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary.   See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel.   Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/USJm7d_BxEg   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's episode of Andy and Ari on 3, we talk about some of the biggest lightning rods in college football with our friend J.D. Pekyll. Dabo Sweeney, Lincoln Riley, Mike Bobo. Yeah, these names all make you feel a certain kind of way, but why? And is the criticism lobbed at these guys fair? We talk about that with J.D. Pekill. Plus, a great interview with New Coastal Carolina coach Ryan Beard. He has a lot of fun. incredible story about meeting his wife and also drops a little nugget about another new head coach

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Welcome to Annie and Rion 3 presented by BenMGM. Fun, fun day coming up, Ari Waserman, because we're going to talk about some of the biggest lightning rods in college football with our friend J.D. Pichelle. The ultimate feeling show, you know, I'm here for it. Oh, absolutely. Let's just get right to it. J.D., you know him.

You love him from the hard count. He put out the most wrongfully Disrespected list last week did the whole show on it. We took some issue with some of his selections. He's going to explain himself and we're going to have

a very fun conversation about why these people make you feel the way you do. Feeling. When you see their names. Here's JD. Join by J.D. Pekyll

who is diabolically ingenious. That's the word. I respect the hell out of J.D. Pekyll. We are a J.D. Pekyllel respecting podcast because J.D. Pekill came up with a concept so brilliant. It's the perfect offseason plan. It's the top 10 most wrongfully disrespected people in college football. And oh my God, J.D. This is genius because Ari, you tell it. You tell him why it's genius you can get a collection of 10 buzzword names that cause people to feel something even if

they don't know what the discussions about and you put them all on a list together and then rank them there's nothing that this is t-n t man like this is you know and some of them some of because like and i think that everybody had the same experience that i had andy which is yeah i see that with this guy oh what are you talking about he should be disrespectful exactly what order is this i i don't and like the thing about it is, is that, like, how much you disrespect each individual person is your own personal journey. So, like, the way that you listed, it's like, I don't even know, like, is Josh Heipel that disrespected? But maybe in Tennessee he is. I don't know. But, like, there is a really interesting conversation to be had about all of them, like, number one. Like, is Ryan Day disrespected today?

Like, he might have been two years ago, but then when he was disrespected, it was warranted. He couldn't beat Michigan. But like now, is that still there? Like, I think that we should unpack these names, but like how you feel about somebody, like a Georgia fan, for instance, might have a much different reaction to number seven than I do. You know, and

it's just kind of like a choose your adventure type thing, but I do know one thing for sure that is no matter who you are, it's explosive. And that's what you're supposed to do. And well done, J.D. Well, one, I appreciate that. Coming from you all, that is not praise. I'm taking lightly by any stretch of the imagination to one of the most like common responses I got on social media was well if this is the wrongfully

disrespected top 10 we need the rightfully disrespect to top 10 yeah you should do it oh yeah conversation to be had that's a rightfully disrespected is like grab the the floaties for that one biggest losers in college football by jd mcall i love who do you hate the most who do you just not like so i don't know so here we are well i so what was the genesis for this i i i because The one, Ari mentioned number seven, and I will name number seven. We will talk about number seven at some point. It's Mike Bobo, the Georgia offensive coordinator. Because he is the, maybe the single biggest lightning rod to me for a certain segment of college football fans.

You know, mostly people who follow SEC teams, like they get that more than say, you know, somebody who's a Michigan fan or Ohio State fan. They may not have the full appreciation for it. but who was it on this list that you were thinking about? You're like, I need to make a whole list of these. Well, first it was Davo because some of it is like you could put dabbo lower on the list because maybe he is rightfully disrespected for what they haven't done adapting to modern college football

and having a bunch of first round picks on your roster and then not even sniffing the AC. Donald Gems was like my first thought was, okay, what's Davos Sweeney's place in college football? And how do you contextualize that? I think actually Ari and I talked about. talked about this when he came on our show a couple of weeks ago. And like, you could argue Dabu Sweeney, his resume is one of the best in the sport in the last 20 years. But right now,

I don't think anybody is beating down Dabo Sweeney's door as being a top 10 coach in college football right now. So that was kind of like the first thought for me. And honestly, I'll put it out on social media just as a prompt for people to respond to and who they thought was the most, like, quote unquote, wrongfully disrespected. I had somebody throw in there, Gus Johnson. I was like, I like Gus Johnson. I don't know that people didn't like Gus Johnson or had a disdain for him, I suppose.

And so that got me thinking of like, okay, we could expand the circle a little bit here and not just head coaches. We could go to players, coordinators, folks in media, and this is what came out. Fernando Mendoza! Where's back?

He's! I love him. Torster! Yeah. I can see it. So here's the thing because we did have a discussion about Davo. And for me, I was given a project at the athletic in 2003 before I came to do my personal Mount Rushmore of college football coaches.

And I put dabbo on it and people freaked out. But at the time, dabbo was the only person in the country that took a solid program and made it into an elite one. Andy and I have discussed that many times. And I think that when you do something like that, that was uncharted territory. It made you different. And it's a legend in my head.

Now the question is, in college football, what's the statute of limitations for like achievements? Like the reverse of that because like there is a, we know that this is a what have you done for me lately business. And you should be held to a certain standard always while also maintaining your overall respect. So like with Dabo, I think that. Clemson fans are probably fed up. They're probably upset about the lack of growth or, you know, at least evolution that the

program has gone under as the sport changed while also being like, get out of here, but you can still come to every home game and we'll cheer for you relentlessly. Like I think that we're at the point now where people accept Davo is one of the greatest coaches of our generation. At the same time, it doesn't necessarily mean that the disrespect that he is getting in the moment is unwarranted. And I think that that is kind of a line to draw to, like James Franklin, I think. to a certain extent like i'm very curious how james franklin who's number two on your list will be

received by penn state fans in 10 years how will uh lincoln riley be perceived by oh you fan well maybe that'll never get repaired but like i think that like sometimes time changes how we view somebody in the aggregate but in the moment like i think that everybody on this list i don't really know what the deal with pat mackoffy is people not like him i i guess like i you know he's your people hate you or love him Yeah. But like I think that everybody on this list for the most part when you zoom out is like a career accomplisher that like will be appreciated for being productive. It's just whether or not they're measuring up to the high in current expectations of their position or, you know, their role. So like Ryan Day, number one, like is he disrespected anymore? Like do people think he stink still?

Like I think that like people like universally probably would regard him as a top five coach in the country, right? Oh, 100%. 100%. I think the reasoning not to flip the conversation too much to Ryan Day because I know we want to talk more about Daba there for a second.

I had something more to say about Daba at least. The thing with me with Ryan Day is it feels like he's always one loss away from us questioning his credibility as a good enough head coach at Ohio State and R. you know that's better than anybody. If he wins, okay, good, you're supposed to do that.

Look at the roster, look at the resources, look at the brand power. Like, you should go win a national championship at Ohio State. And that's not to say that Ohio State fans shouldn't expect that, but if they don't win the national championship or they lose to Michigan, and I know there's more context to the Michigan rivalry, obviously, than just losing the Michigan.

But if you don't go do what you're supposed to do, all of a sudden it's like, do we have the right guy running the show at Ohio State? Like the fact that he's always a game or two away from us wondering if he's a good enough coach for the Buckeyes, that to me just muddied the water in terms of how respected he is, at least at any given point. I think, and I'm glad Dabo was the genesis of your list because I think there was a time when Dabo was a rightful number one on your list. Because the thing that makes Dabo so interesting in this discussion is even when he was at his best, when he was winning national titles, there were a lot of people who just hated him, who didn't think he was any good, who maybe they didn't like how he talked, they didn't like what he said, they didn't like how he acted.

Like, Dabo was a lightning rod no matter what. It didn't matter what he said. Somebody was going to pile on him. And it didn't matter how good he was. There were people who just refused to respect him. And I think those people probably, like Ari said, have gone away as the years have gone on. And you look back and you appreciate what Dabo did. But I remember very vividly in those national championship seasons, he'd have

have a weird press conference and just get buried. Well, here's one of the best coaches in the country. And I think that that's a very good point, Andy. And here's the difference with Dabo that you would get from like a, let's say, Kirby Smart. Davo Sweeney won two national titles in a three year period and never really felt like he got that like five year runway as being emotionally, I mean, a universally supported by fans. as one of the greatest in the game. Like, even though he, he did everything that he did, did it ever feel like he was ever regarded nationally by everyone the way that

Kirby Smart was after they won their second title. And like Kirby Smart has had more success in this modern era because the Georgia has won the SEC and made the playoff multiple times in this new era. So maybe it's not an apples to apples comparison, 100% of the way. But I feel like Kirby Smart is like the Teflon Don of like, you cannot criticize that man no matter what because he won two national titles and built Georgia back up. And it's like, well, Davosweeney did the same thing at Clemson and maybe did it

at a place that was harder to do it at and never really got that five-year honeymoon period. And maybe that's because, you know, they didn't really, you know, maintain their level of success to the highest degree afterward. But like, I don't understand, like, how many years of Kirby Smart not making it out of the first round of the college football playoff is it going to take before people start treating him that way? And I feel like it's not the same. I don't think that Dabo ever got the rightful praise that he deserved in the moment that he deserved it,

which has made it easier to come down off of the high of his run with some of the bad years that he's had. So, and Dabo's also made really controversial public comments about roster building and the direction of the sport as it was happening before it happened and even after it happened. And like part of the way that he speaks, I think irks people the wrong way. But I feel like if you don't respect Dabo Sweeney for what he built and what he did at Clemson, like you're just an idiot. Like that's just like not true. He's been a great coach.

And it's interesting because he's losing respect from people now because of the on-field product. Interestingly enough, he is backing off some of the more stubborn statements he made about changes in the game. This is a guy who said if they're going to pay players, I'm probably not going to coach college football anymore, who then they started paying players. He kept coaching college football.

And now he's saying, no, they should probably be employees so we can have a CBA and have some rules. Like he's come a long way in terms of those views. And he's not, it's interesting, as stubborn as he is as a football coach, he seems less stubborn now on all the other stuff. And that's, I think, what has made him so easy to come down on is what you just said a second ago, Andy. Like he had these really staunch views on the way college football was trend. And so everybody and their mama who's got an opinion on how to build a roster in college football is sitting back and saying, well, Dabo might be a good coach, might have done X, Y, and Z, but he's an absolute idiot for not adjusting to the times. And that was like the easy armchair take to have if you were a troll on social media or if you were someone with a microphone that had a strong take on Dabo.

And like, one of the reasons why I have him so high up on the list in the wrongful to respect category is even if even if Dabo never feels. fully comes around to embracing, like, where college football is headed, and he's not, like, a 15 portal guy a year head coach at Clemson ever. There's a part of me that kind of respects the fact that he has stuck to his guns as much as he has. Like, I appreciate him going to the portal more. I appreciate him hiring out of his tree a little bit more in recent hires. I'm here for that, but at the end of the day, I do think Davosweeney genuinely still believes college football is about molding young men and winning as many games as possible in doing that. And I think he's okay with not winning as many games as he would like to,

so long as they are molding young men and doing the thing that he believes is, you know, the most intrinsically valuable with being a head coach at Clemson. So in that way, I'm like, I would like you to be, you know, a little bit more aggressive in the portal and get more, you know, coaches outside of your tree here, Dabbo. But if we're going to stick to our guns, it's hard to not respect that. Well, there's two things with Dabot. One is, his viewpoints on college football have always been admirable, but his job isn't to develop young men.

His job is to win football games, and he's paying a lot of money for that. Second of all, here's the other thing that people don't appreciate when it comes to Davos-weeney. He's very long-winded. So if he is making a point, and it takes him five minutes to get to that point,

you might be able to clip a 15 to 25-second soundbite in the middle of that five-minute rant and latch onto it while also missing the overall point of what he was trying to make. So I think that, and even in times in the past, I've criticized him and then you'll go watch a whole clip and you'll be like, oh, wait a minute. Like that's not exactly what he meant.

And I think that a lot of times people get, you know, nailed for short sound bites when in actuality, like they weren't as bold or as hot of a take statement as you think. And I think that people remember the statements. They don't remember the rants. And that is for him too. Yeah. And I think you're right about that. And I also think it's interesting because like you hadn't spent a whole lot of

of time around him, before we had him on the show at one point last year. And you, it was fun watching you because like when you're around Davo, when you actually get in his orbit, you can't not like him. I would want to play. It's almost impossible. Oh, for sure. And he's just one of those guys that connects with everybody. And but if you see him in sound bites and you see him in just clips, it doesn't come across the same way and he could come across as holier than now he can you know and so is he's one of those people if you if you get a chance to meet him in person you have a completely different view than if you just view him through sound bites definitely and i you know i had that experience too i had a notion of dabble before and then he's been on a show a few times and now my viewpoints of him are

different because i've seen him when he's not being recorded and like that's somebody i'd want to hang within his office. So like, but again, to zoom out, I think we all respect him collectively, but I also think that he is every bit as responsible and deserving of the criticism that he's currently getting because you got to win. Even if you're if you're admirable in your pursuits of molding young men and doing things the right way and promoting from within and sticking with a young man so that he understands the value of perseverance, all these things are great qualities and traits, but you don't get rings for perseverance. You get rings for winning games, and Clemson expects to win games, and he has not done what he needs to do as a head coach to deliver what his job is demanding of.

So, like, it's kind of an interesting thing, but it feels like it's winding down for him there. Where would y'all put him on your respective list? Like, knee-jerk reaction, higher or lower for Davo on your wrongfully disrespectful top 10? I think you have him in the right spot now. I think if it were 2018, he'd be number one with a bullet because there were a lot of people who disrespected him and he was at the top of his game at that point. Yeah. But I want to get to number seven. I'm being honest, but yeah.

I want to talk about number seven now because Mike Bobo, I think, is the biggest lightning rod in the sport for a certain group of people. And it's so funny because we see it on our show with some of our most dedicated members of the audience. And so we have Matt who will watch the live shows in comment and always hits this up on social media. I believe Matt thinks if Todd Munkin had never left Georgia, that Georgia would have won five national titles in a row. He blames Mike Bobo for all of the ills in the world. Meanwhile, we've got Arthur who sends us really thoughtful emails. He's a Georgia fan. He sent me an email a few weeks ago and he said, I've been rewatching a lot of games from last season.

And it sure seems like Bobo schemed up some really good open receivers and sometimes Gunner Stockton missed them. And it's really interesting because you have the people who swear by Bobo, Aaron Murray, for example. Bobo is Aaron Murray's O.C. at Georgia. Aaron Murray is the biggest Mike Bobo fan in the world. He is, you know, and it will tell you he's the best guy ever. He's the guy you want in your foxhole, all that stuff. meanwhile, anytime anything goes wrong at Georgia, it's not blame Kirby Smart.

It's not blame Glenn Schumann. It's run the damn ball, Bobo! It's amazing. I mean, even this last year, when you're watching Trinidad Chamble's go up and down the field, not once but twice against Georgia, two separate occasions. We got people in the mention saying,

what's Bobo doing now? Hey, Bobo's going to mess it. We got to get Mike Bobo out of there now. And I'm like, you're scoring over. over 30 a game, two separate years, two separate quarterbacks, won the SEC two years in a row. I don't think Mike Bobo's the problem. Mike Bobo is not responsible for scheming it up against Trinidad Chamblecler for taking down to Ty Simpson.

I'm having a hard timepiece. I also think, like, this kind of gets maybe a little bit under the radar. I don't imagine the defensive head coach in Kirby Smart is like the easiest head coach to call plays for offensively. I think there's probably a couple of different nuances that come with that. J.D., to your point, I think there's a reason Mike Bobo, when he left, he got fired to Colorado, stays the head coach, didn't immediately go work for Kirby Smart because I know there was a, there was talk about that happening, but they're really good friends. And I think he was worried how it might affect the friendship.

So he goes, it works for Will Must Jamp at South Carolina first. But I'm with you. offer a real criticism that may or in 26 may or may not be his fault has Georgia had enough offensive skill talent the last few years to win a championship who's and whose and whose whose purview is that that is his Kirby smarts as well because he's he's in charge of stocking the whole roster but you're right you're right the offensive coordinator is responsible for that they haven't had any receivers the last few years now you know I'm not saying that they're they were crappy, but like they didn't have any game breakers that could turn a game upside down the way that's no.

There was no Jeremiah Smith. There was no Malachi Tony. Yeah. And Ryan Williams, I guess was up and down last year, but Ryan Williams made Georgia pay. And you cannot watch the game and be like, well, if they had one guy like that that could take a, you know, a play and turn it into a touchdown. Georgia doesn't have that guy. So they have some young good players. And I mean, they're very talented and a good team, they've won the SEC. But I don't know that like the points per game thing or the actual rhythm of the offense and all that stuff is actually the root of the gripe. I think the root of the gripe is they're not explosive.

But they don't feel explosive or dangerous when they're playing against other. But they actually are explosive. They, they, from a down to down respect, they're one of the more explosive offenses in the country. I think it's probably wasn't easy with Carson back and quarterback the year before either. Like I mean, dude tied the SEC lead that year in interstate. I think that probably also, like that's the other part that makes it impressive is him being the common denominator each of the past two years with different quarterbacks, different personnel, not as good an offensive line to way better offensive line this past year. Like my gripe the year before this was like the offensive line in the run game was just like non-existent.

And I don't think it was like a personality thing. It just wasn't at all we've been accustomed to seeing from a Georgia line of scrimmage. And so even with that, they still again scored over 30, won the SEC, all those things. with Carson Beck, throwing 12 picks on the year. I mean, yeah. Where you still blame Bobo for some of that. He's a piece of the blame, but I'm like, how bad could it have been if it wasn't Mike Bobo making this whole thing go?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Tennessee, they scored 44. Now, granted, it was an overtime. Against Ole Miss, they scored 43. Against Texas, they scored 35.

Against Bama, they scored 28. And they scored 34 points in their loss in the playoff. So that was a completely different experience than the year before where they scored 10 points against Notre Dame in the playoff and 10 points in a loss, against Ole Miss. I think that maybe sometimes two, people latch on to like familiar feelings. And even if things have improved or changed that like they're used to not liking somebody and they're just going to stick with it, which I've seen.

Remember, these feelings predate Kirby Smart as the head coach. These feelings go back to when Mark Richt was the head coach. And by the way, Bobo was running a good offense back then too, but there were moments. There's a game at South Carolina where they throw three times inside the five yard line and don't score a touchdown, that's where Run the damn ball Bobo really took off. And sometimes it's almost more than nostalgia of that, I think, that affects Mike Bobo now.

Like people just remember when they were in college or when they were young and they could scream at Mike Bobo. And now it just gives them a good feeling inside to yell at Mike Bobo. One other question, and this is just purely speculative and complete nonsense, but I have to ask you guys because it's a podcast and we're having fun. If his last name was like Williams,

would it be as fun to yell at him? Not nearly as much fun. Don't you think his last name contributes to like screaming? Has to. It does. It has to. Yeah. And it's also like you can say it in one breath, you know,

like Williams, you got to kind of like make sure you get a good inhale before. Bobo, you're just like, it doesn't matter. You got food in your mouth. And Bobo, it rolls off your tongue. It's one letter away from Bozo. Yeah. So I think people associate that.

I would say this too. I never thought of it that way. I never thought of it. It's like a year ago and talking to Rusty Mansell about it and being like, hey, like, maybe I'm just out of the loop here. Like maybe I'm missing some piece of context that is crucial to understanding the Mike Bobo lore. Like, why don't Georgia fans even, I shouldn't say why don't Georgia fans like this guy? Because there's a fair amount of people that do like Mike Bobo in Georgia circles. But like there's a clear like scapego thing going on here.

Why is that? and he was talking about like it goes back to when Mike Bobo played at Georgia. Like to your point, Andy, of the nostalgia of it all. Like there's people that have, I don't want to say differences, but frustrations with Mike Bobo from these days playing at Georgia. And so going back to like, it's just fun to kind of yell at Mike Bobo. It's part of the hardwiring potentially. He broke Steve Spurrier's win streak against Georgia as a player in 97.

By the way, also the game where the Gators wear jean shorts chant was invented. So listen, Mike Boch has done some great things for University of Georgia. When I was on a beat like this happens too with fans who latch on to things, like when I was on the Ohio State beat, there was a period of time where Luke Fickle was the enemy. Then there was a linebacker's coach named Bill Davis that was kind of like everybody's pointing the finger. I just think that there are scapegoats that naturally emerge on staffs and become trendy to dislike. And then there's a confirmation bias too of like, oh, well, look, they threw it on third and three when they should have ran it.

And then, like, you just get mad about something that, like, would have otherwise gone undetected somewhere else. So, like, I think that, like, there's a trendy ease factor of this that all wraps around his last name, but it's not like they couldn't score last year. And they did it, again, without some of those pieces that really excite you offensively. If you asked, you know, 90 out of 100, I mean, 100 random people in college football who aren't, like, diehards or, like, who's the best offensive player on Georgia's team? Do you think anybody, like 90 of them could even maybe 10 people?

could name somebody but i think 90% of the of the fans you asked that that aren't georgia fans would have a hard time identifying who their threat is and everybody knows who you know ryan williams is everybody knows who jeremiah smith is like who's the guy on the video game that's on george's offense they just don't have that person and i actually think that gunner stockton is very underrated in terms of the way that we perceive him nationally as a quarterback so um there's a lot to unpack there but you know i think his his place on that list probably makes a ton of sense now Andy, if you don't mind, I want to just grab him and just yell at him about one that I believe deserves the criticism.

Do it. And that would be number eight. I was about to guess. I don't like I know the Heismans. It's Lincoln Riley for those listening. Does he deserve praise at the moment? Like the guy is probably a year away from the fire. Here's the thing about Lincoln Riley that you need to remember.

Lincoln Riley as the Oklahoma coach, almost universal. universally priced, beloved, nationally respected. Leaving Oklahoma for USC was his heel turn. That's where the disrespect started. And now you're getting an interesting phenomenon because now I will say with the Oklahoma fans, they were very quick to defend Lincoln Riley when he was their coach about lack of physicality,

not having great defenses. They were the first to jump on him about that when he got to USC, it then bore itself out. He's tried to fix that, but I think the heel turn ratcheted up the disrespect for him. When you make the heel turn, you have to produce, and I'm very curious if things don't go well in Baton Rouge for Lane Kiffin,

how the world's gonna perceive him. Because Lincoln Riley went from being one of the coolest young coaches in college football that knew how to make a Heisman winner out of anybody to the backstabber who went out to LA and left his team. And I think that, you know, You know, for as much trouble as I got into saying,

I'd much rather live in L.A. than Norman. I do think that there is a certain college football unspoken language, too, where, like, a lot of fans root for teams that are in small towns in the South or places like Norman and the thought process that he could feel too good for being in a place like Norman to go out to L.A. and have a Pacific Ocean View also plays a part. This is from Muleshoe, Texas. I know. I'm just saying, like, the underlying resentment, though, towards oh look at him he's so L.A. now. Oh, he wants to go out to L.A. and run away from the SEC

and play in the Pact 12. All these things mattered. And then he went there and they were half a football away from making the playoff in year one and their teams have been very underwhelming every year since. And like maybe they've gotten better. They hired a coordinator and Dan and Lynn a few years ago that helped them fix their defense. He's no longer there. But like, is he not in a win nine games or win eight games or you're fired mode right now? Like if you're, if you're even like remotely on the hot seat, then your disrespect is completely warranted to me. Yeah, I would say that's fair. I think so where I land on this, I want to go back to what you guys said about the heel turn from Lincoln Riley.

Because I was, I was never out on Lincoln Riley, but it struck a funny chord with me when he goes post bedlam on the podium and says, I'm not going to be the head coach at LSU. We're like, okay, great, like, good to know. And then like 24th. What a fake out. Rally. Head coach at USC. Like, well, I guess he wasn't lying, but that felt kind of slimy. the reason why I have Lincoln Riley on the list,

I respect the fact that he is doing the things that he wasn't doing early in his career. And so some of this is me like buying the trend in Lincoln Riley because I still understand like are they the toughest team in college football? Has he remedied the narrative around what his defenses are completely like by no stretch of the imagination? But to me, like I've root for the kid who's trying in class when we all know that it's not maybe his best subject to go up there

on the board and completely the algebra problem. I know Lincoln Riley is not a defensive guy, but the fact that he is, whether it's against his will or not, hiring Dan Lin, and it goes out and hiring Gary Patterson, and they're doing the right work when it comes to hiring the right GM and Chad Bowden,

and when it comes to the defensive side of the football, all these things that he is doing that are, I think, getting them close to what they need to be as an overall football team. I think you're right. If they don't make the playoff this year, I've said it before. I think it's playoff or bust.

Here's the problem with you, J.D. Here's the problem with you. You're too good of a human being. There are many. Like you're too nice of a human being. I wish I could be the kid that didn't understand math that had a 10-year, 100 million dollar guaranteed contract. I'll go up there and flunk division up there in front of everybody.

And like your thought process is admirable. You're like the Davosweeney of analysts. Like everybody is beautiful and you want everybody to succeed. And I love that about you. Like you are genuinely more than the nicest human beings ever. I agree with JD on this because what do I always say? Lincoln Riley is too young and too smart to let himself go down that way. I refuse to give up on him because I think he can figure it out.

Now, maybe he can't. We'll see. The only reason why he's determining that. Given the afforded the opportunity to try to figure it out is because they paid him an absurd amount of guaranteed money and they couldn't remove it from him. He wouldn't be the coach there right now if he didn't have that contract. So you're watching him work. You're watching him work through it in real time because the program that's paying him

all that money is trapped by the inability. But he doesn't have to work through it. Jimbo Fisher didn't work through it. He's like, fire me and pay me, please. They're not changing. A game away from being in the playoff this past year.

Like if they beat Oregon, they're in the dance. So like, it's not like they were never beating. They were never beating. Seven wins. Yeah, they were there.

If they finished against, finish the season strong and win 10 games, like they're in. Yeah, like I go back to Ryan Day because I always do. It's a, it's a subject that I'm very familiar with. It's like,

while he was losing to Michigan. Michigan, he deserved it. Like, you deserve, you're not doing it. So was he trying? Sure, I'm sure he tried everything in his, for four years to figure out how to win the game. But at no point was he forgiven for that fully until they went out and won a national title and ultimately beat Michigan the next year. I will find it admirable the way that you do if Lincoln Riley figures it out.

But for the time being, I see a university that's paying him generational money and a fan base that's dying to win and a failure to do so. And like that's where the criticism comes from. Now you can work through that all you want. And if you break through it, then it disappears and you're extended and you have your job and everything goes great. But in the meantime, like as we're sitting here on March 25th recording this, the 26th, like we are in full reasonable criticism mode with him. So like, you know, but again, you're so nice, JD and I love that about you. Don't ever change.

I would just say the narrative against him has been, hey, not tough enough. defense not good enough. And they go out this past year and run for 200 on Michigan and beat Michigan, which was a top 30 defense. They go out and beat Iowa and Iowa kind of weather in L.A. Like, I think the things that we've asked Lincoln Riley to do over the course of the last four years at USC hasn't made the playoff just yet, which is obviously always going to be judged on this upcoming year. But I think like some of the narratives around Lincoln Riley are starting to crack, which is why I'm like, if he was still having defenses that gave up 30 a game, like, yeah, he probably is rightfully on the disrespected list,

but I like what I'm seeing from them, and I think some of the narratives, again, are starting to course correct. He's been paid $50 million so far, and he hasn't made the playoff yet. Yeah, I mean. So I guess my question is like, like he took over USC,

because Clay Heald won good enough, right? And so even you paid him $200 million. It's like, it's going to take some time to turn this thing around. The biggest issue I have. Kurt Signetti won the national title in two years at Indiana. Yeah, 100%.

A 100%. The USC doesn't take that long. Yeah. And I also think that that beautiful house with the pool is like part of his like compensation stipend too. So I don't even think he has to pay for that beautiful view. And maybe I just resent it because I would like to have a pool view like that with the ocean.

And that's probably not going to happen for me. But like, we'll see. And the one other thing too I wanted to say that is true about Lincoln Riley that also irked people is that he took Caleb Williams from Oklahoma before that was a regular thing. Like that was viewed as particularly scumbaggy. Now everyone does it and it feels normal, but he was the first one to take a high profile player like that with him, right?

Am I forgetting? Or like at a time where you could take your player and he could play for you the following year, the way that he did. Like that, like he didn't just leave Oklahoma. He seemed to turn the knife a little bit on the way out. And I think that that kind of made him like a, like you said, a heel turn that,

hasn't been paid off yet. So like also again, he burned the brisket. Can we just be in the frustrate? He burned the brisk. Like that. Oklahoma fans tried to defend that when he was their coach. And now and that was one of the things they immediately brought up when he left. He's like, oh, we should, we knew we couldn't trust him.

He burned the brisket. Yeah. In fairness, I would probably. I'm not a rebuttal for that. That's fair. That's fair. It cooking brisket's hard. So is making the playoff.

When you get $10 million, you're supposed to do it. JD, one more question. Any honorable mentions? Who just missed the list? Who do you have in your rough draft that didn't quite make the list? I had Brent Venables on here in my like back 10? Because I feel like everyone still is talking about him just being a coordinator. And I'm like they took the toughest schedule in college football and did make the playoff

when he was the guy that Oklahoma got post Lincoln Riley. So I think he probably deserves a little bit more respect on his name. How about Brett your mark? Can we tie? Can we tie Clemson? Yeah. When did Venables leave Clemson? What has happened since?

Venables left? Like maybe he wasn't enough credit. This happens in college football. It kind of happened with Mario Cristobal last year as we were going through the playoff and they were winning games to get to the national title game. If it's fun or funny or normal to make fun of somebody for being something on Twitter, that stays with you until you do the ultimate thing to get. it's gone.

Like Ryan Day was a choke artist until he wasn't. Mario Cristobal was a terrible in-game manager until he wasn't. Kirby Smart was a choke artist before he wasn't. It takes time to break through. And the second that James Franklin, who's also on your list, you know, does something at Virginia Tech and maybe makes the playoff and wins a game or two, maybe, who knows? Like, he's always the guy that can't break through the glass ceiling. Like, everybody has their narratives. And the only way to get your narrative off of you in college football is to go the,

hard way and do the thing and be successful at the thing that people say you can't do. And that's not an easy thing to do and it's not an easy ask. But at the same time, every time I criticize somebody or I'm hard on somebody for it, I also remember that, you know, being employed in this business and getting paid the amounts of money that you're getting paid to deliver, this is part of the deal here. So like, you know, there are harder jobs, Andy. I'm sure roofing in July is a pretty tough job. And it caught a lot of money to get a new roof on your on your house because it's a

a hard thing to do. Now, if that roofer loses a tile or doesn't do it right and there's a leak in your house, what happens? He's held responsible for it. Football is no different, even though it's on TV and it feels like a reality TV show. It's the best reality TV show. And J.D., thank you for this. I hope this is an annual thing because I want to see, I actually want to help you compose it next year because this was fun. I want to see those lists. Yeah, absolutely. We need to do a list of things. Maybe we'll do one together, Andy. Yeah, I like it. J.D., thank you so much.

When we come back, New Coast of Carolina coach, Ryan Beard, the story of how he met his wife. Yeah, this guy's got some church bells on him. You're right back. We are joined by New Coastal Carolina coach, Ryan Beard. He has arrived in Conway, South Carolina from Missouri State. First spring practice almost in the book. Spring game Friday night. All right, Coach, I got to ask about this because I was listening to you on the radio in South Carolina talking about this.

You're going good on good. Spring practice, just set the ball down and let your best offense and your best defense play against each other. Nobody does that anymore. We absolutely are. I know I'm a younger head coach, but I got an old soul. I think that the way to evaluate your football team is to watch them actually play football. So we're going to do exactly what you said. We're going to kick the ball off on air.

We're going to spot it and go. We're going to go good on good, try to get 70, 80 plays, which again is high. But we're going to have a great atmosphere here. We're going to have a bunch of fans in the stands. We're going to do things like a game day mentality just to work on not only how to play, but how to mentally process and go about your day in regards to what it takes to have your best game to date each and every Saturday this fall. Do you feel like when you're a first year head coach at a new place trying to get

grasp of your roster when you do that, that people are playing game-like intensity because they're trying to show you what they have? I mean, I'm assuming it's a great evaluation tool. Yeah, 100%. You know, I think you can get only so much out of just skills and drills. I think you have to put them into pressure situations. I think you have to, you know, put them in as many game-like scenarios as you possibly can. And everything we do here at Coastal Carolina is built on competition. And in my humble opinion, how can you say that things are based on competition, if you don't see them truly compete and you don't see them cut it loose and and see who can mentally process through down and distance,

through, you know, field positions and those types of things, which, you know, that's the second level of a player that you have to continue to develop. So I, I had to go back to your past because we had one of your former coworkers on

not long ago, and he was talking about his experience growing up, you know, in the coaching business. your 2014 quality control slash GA room at Louisville. So we had Will Stein on a few weeks ago. Will was there with you. You know, Will would play quarterback at Louisville.

You'd played DB at Western Kentucky and had started out, you know, with Willie Taggart and then got into that. Like Derek Nicholson's there. Who else is in that room? That's a pretty star-studded room, right? Yeah, it was me, Will, Pete Nocta, Court Denison. Jamarcus Shepherd was in there with us a little bit. It wasn't that exact room in Louisville,

but Matt Lombardi at UNC, who else? There's a few other. Shepherd's a head coach now too. He's the head coach in Oregon State. Yeah, he was at my wedding. And not only, I don't know if Will told you this, not only, okay, were we GA compadres, but we were roommates.

So he can actually play the guitar and sing a little bit. So next time you have him on, see if he can play a jam for you what's the what was the song he would play in your in your apartment listen it's hooting the blowfish let her cry i mean almost absolutely elite i mean it was incredible now again you know he's a guy that likes to cut it loose and have fun me and will are still super close to this day as well as the other guys in that ga room you know when you live with guys when you're younger you know it's it's a great camaraderie experience you know you're all in the same phase of life, party time,

you know, working towards a common goal. What was the most annoying thing he did as a roommate? Would we like a leave of dishes in the sink kind of guy or what? Well, I think we both maybe had a tendency to do that, but at that time, we didn't have enough money to really have our own food. So we were taking the big boxes from the Louisville catering, and that's really what our fridge was filled with, were the leftovers from what the players left behind the day before for meal check-in.

So I don't really know if Will has. any real major tendencies. Now, one cool thing was we had all the connections in Louisville because he's Mr. Kentucky. You know, so anywhere we go, it's, you know, the guys are coming out. There's Will Stein, all this and that. And I said, Will, man, you know, you seem like you're really enjoying this. He said, yeah, man, this is my city. You can't say that now. He's coaching the rival. But that's right. So we got to talk about another thing that happened while you're at Louisville, because you were a, you were a, you were a there, quality control there.

You work for Bob Petrino for roughly four years before there's this dinner that you're attending, you don't have a seat. The head ball coach waves you over is like, here, sit here. And you wind up sitting next to his daughter, who you decide during the course of this dinner is going to be your wife who you've never, and then you've not met her before. Yeah, never shook her hand, never set home. Hello, and I was kind of doing the GA wandering around thing, trying to figure out what I could do to find a spot. And, you know, there's Bob, and he's like, just come sit at the table.

Me and him had a great relationship still due to this day. And I sit and to my left is the future Miss Katie Beard. And it was like one of the lightning in a bottle situations, because I could, you know, as the meal went on, I could kind of, you know, we were just, we were chatting a little bit. And I could kind of, you know, feel maybe some chemistry there. and obviously sitting across from us is head coach Bobby Petrino who's employed. Noted hard ass head coach Bobby Petrino. Let's be real here. He's taught me a ton about football.

And, you know, I'm glad. Have you ever seen one of those ducks on a pond above the surface? You know, your calm, cool, collected, trying to, you know, make an impression on Katie. And then underneath, you're sitting there going, man, I don't know about this, guys. Like, you know, those little feeder scrambling a million miles a minute. but I'm one of those guys. I say let it rip and go get what you want. I mean, like, that is wild.

So, like, when you're talking to your future wife while being stared down by your boss and father, how do you thread the needle? What did you do? Like, take us through the play-by-play of how you, like, manage to get her to at least go out with you. Listen, the one thing I pride myself on as being really good with people so I could read the room. And I was just kind of, I had heard that she's really good at golf. Bobby would always talk about, you know, their golf days together and how good she was at golf. So listen, go with what you know.

It's just like recruiting. So we started talking about, hey, listen, I heard you play golf, heard you pretty talented, you know, I'm not very good, but, you know, I'm sure you can teach me a few things. Or, you know, I could try to caddy for you at some point. So again, I just kind of maneuvered calmly, calm, cool, and collected, not trying to draw too much attention. to the conversation and go about our date. But to say that I really remember any other conversation or what actually happened at that dinner is,

it was pretty clear. I didn't. Yeah, definitely blacked out. And what's amazing is, y'all didn't immediately start dating, right? Like, you took a job at Northern Michigan for a year before that. That's exactly right.

That's exactly right. And that's why it was crazy because, you know, I'm sitting there at Northern Michigan and things start, you know, going that direction and all of a sudden she's flying out from time to time to see me out there. And I don't know if you've been to northern Michigan, but there's like record snowfall. So she would come on like a Thursday and usually leave on a Tuesday because she got snowed in for two days because the little local airport couldn't fly. Oh man. The flights canceled.

That's too bad. That must have been really bad news for you, huh? One of the, yeah, it was terrible, right? One of the best parts was, you know, she was, she was, everybody was like, where are you going? And finally, you know, Coach Petrino asked and she goes, I'm going to see, going to see Ryan Beard. And he goes, and, but hey, the best part about it was, I'm a hard worker. I was dedicated and loyal to him and the rest of the staff. And he took it great.

And here we are today, four beautiful babies later. We're going to celebrate our ninth wedding anniversary this, this July. lives so life is good. Hey, listen, I'm glad I took the chance. But now you're also the former GA that's the head coach of a major program now, and you're kind of, you know, headed in that direction. You made the right choice, too. Let's not pretend like you did something here that was like scandalous. Like, you're the catch too, right? I like to think so. Hey, but like I told, I told Andy before we started the show, I said, I gave Katie a hard time. I said,

Katie, you know, I've been around for four years and it's like, did I, did I smell bad? Was I not looking like as sharp as you would have liked me to look? Because again, you hadn't even noticed me in four years and all of a sudden I sit down beside you, but, you know, sometimes they say the gift of gab helps and it goes a long way to overcome maybe some of the, maybe the not so sexiness of the look. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but no woman has ever come up to me and been like, you're hot. Let's do stuff.

Like every single time, like I've ever been successful in any regard with the opposite sex, it's come through hard work and game. If you make somebody laugh, you're winning. That's the rule. So I want to talk about that Northern Michigan job because that's a D2 job, your first position coach job. And you take it to be a position coach. But you're making peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, you know,

you're doing all these different things. I find it interesting because I've talked a lot of. of coaches about this, Lance Lypole, Kansas, for example, coaching D3 for so long. We're seeing it now with Kurt Signetti, with Bob Chesney. How much do those experiences help you as you rise through and go back into these levels where you do have four quality control people who can help you with a drill? Yeah, I think it was tremendously impactful on my whole coaching career and really my life in general simply because, you know, I knew I wanted to be a coach and I knew I wanted to be a head coach

from a very young age. And I took, you know, like you said, basically going there for pennies to run my own room. And I had the entire DB room. So you're doing all that with no GAs. And I swear one day I went out to fall camp practice. And I was like, I was smelling something. It was peanut butter because one of my jobs was, you know, basically the nutritionist. So I had these huge tubs of Peter Pan peanut butter and jelly.

And I was like hammering sandwiches out for the guys for their post-practice meal. And it was all over me. And I had no idea. And I was like, this is awesome. And then I was also equipment liaison. So I was helping get the, we had a goal post that kind of stood like this. So I would hang on this side to get it back down. But I think it makes you well-rounded.

You know, I think it makes you be able to overcome adversity and be able to really sharpen your skill set. Because when you have that many players to coach and you don't have the resources necessary, you really have to be efficient with your time and you have to be an efficient communicator. You don't have a lot of time to coach each player. So you have to understand, don't overcoach. Just give them what they need, then get into the film room and teach them how to work through that on their own.

Ryan, you are now in, I've never had the pleasure of going to Myrtle Beach in my life or the surrounding areas. And hopefully we can change that one day because I think Andy knows how to get around Myrtle Beach. He strikes me as like a veteran there. I'm a South Carolina native. So I have been to Dirty Myrtle once or twice.

But my understanding is that that place knows how to party, that place knows how to have a good time, and that place is definitely an attraction. Do you want your program to mirror that vibe? Do you want to cultivate an environment in your stadium, in your program? Obviously, I'm not talking about players partying. I'm just being like in general creating and cultivating that experience and how much do you think that can help your program?

Absolutely. I wanted to be the city's team. I want it to be Conway's team. I wanted to be Myrtle Beach's team. And at some point, through legitimate success, I want it to be the state of South Carolina's team. Again, you're going to sit here and go. There's Clemson or South Carolina.

That's okay. There's room for more. And I think that with our facilities and with the vision of our athletic department, they want to be great. There's a standard of excellence here. And that's why this job was so appealing because the resources are here to be successful. There's a great community that loves football. And like you said, there's some of the best food in the country,

you're miles from. from the beach. And it just attracts really good people and people from all over the world. And that's what football is. Football locker rooms are a collection of people from every walk of life. And I think that's why we love it, because it's men coming together for a common goal and that's to win championships. When you get a job like this, and obviously, you know, in this era, when they make a

coaching change, the roster clears out, the portal fills up. How do you decide when you have more of a blank slate? how to stock that roster quickly. Sure. I think, you know, one thing we did here that was different, we're a different brand of football. Like we talked about the spring game, we're going to go good on good. We're going to play real football. Not everybody is about that life. So one thing we had to do with the current roster was see who even fits us, like who fits our vision moving forward.

There were quite a few defections, whether, you know, whichever behalf that was on. And I think it was good to purge the roster and get guys in. in here that fit us, that fit the culture that we're trying to drive home. And they kind of fits with the processes of who we are. You know, I want a joyful atmosphere in these walls. I want people to come in and feel a different type of presence when you come meet our football staff, feel the togetherness of our players, and just know that this is a collection of men that work extremely hard and also play hard together too. You know, you want every minute doesn't have to be fourth and one. You can work hard and have joy in your life.

simultaneously. What was it about coastal? Because they've had success before, but haven't quite gotten as far as they want. And it's interesting because it's a campus where you've got a program across the way in baseball that legitimately competes for national titles. And it seems like, you know,

knowing Chance Miller, your AD a while, that's what he expects out of you. And how do you decide this is where I want to be? I can do this. I can do what they want me to do here. Yeah, I think it fits my mentality and mental makeup perfectly. I want to be the best coach who've ever had on this podcast. I want to be a Hall of Fame caliber coach.

And I also want to affect lives in a positive way. And I think, you know, pressure is earned. I think coming to work for Chance Miller, R.A.D., he has a real vision of excellence. He understands what he wants this program to look like, and he's pouring the resources in necessary to attain that goal. And that's what was so appealing, just the fact that they want to win championships. It's not, you know, it's not okay just to go six and six and losing a bowl game. They want to be at the top of the Sunbelt Conference and get into one of those playoff spots.

And I think that aligns with me perfectly. My whole life, I've had a chip on my shoulder. I like doing things that people say can't be done. And this is the perfect spot to do that. You know, I think that when you think of Coastal, I mean, at least me, I think about the awesome COVID year that they had. and how much fun it was to watch them, the turf, everything. I'm sure you had a memory of that of some sort.

How quickly did that pop in your head when the job came open and how exciting is it to think about how fun it actually is there when things are going well? Yeah, it was one of the things that we thought about for sure. I mean, Grayson, the starting quarterback on that team is currently on our staff doing a great job for us. He reminisces the old days quite a bit, and he's hungry to get it back there.

I think that this town is hungry for a great football team. And they're also, they have a hunger for a staff that's part of the community. I think that this is a group of people that want to see your face. They want to see you at events. They want to see you at charity functions. They want to know you. They want to know who is leading this university because they take a lot of pride in it. And again, I think with our staff and our brand of football, they're going to get just that.

Grayson McCall had a center name Sam Thompson, I think, was like five-foot. would just clear out the Zaxby's in Conway. The guy would sever your neck if you ever got into a conversation. Looking at your roster, though, that ain't what you're going for. You guys got big. Yeah, we like length. We like, you know, wingspan. We like all those types of things.

Because, again, I think that when you want to get into those championship conversations and you want to get into those high-level games, you need to have the guys that are capable of doing it. So I do think that's one thing that we did a really nice job of. And that's one thing we've done our whole career is recruit at a very high level. And I think the way we develop our players here at Coastal Carolina is something that's very attractive. And they understand when you come here, you're going to get coached. Like I'm not big on the soft out of boy Johnny.

Like I just don't think that does anything for people. I think young men still want to be coached. They want structure. They want a discipline program that does things the right way. All right. We ask all first time guests the same final question. So I'm going to pose this to you, Ryan Beard. What is your rule for life?

I'm going to go with love hard, man. Find something you're passionate about and go get it. You know, shoot the moon, whatever happens along the way. You know that it's worthwhile because it's something that brings you joy. It's something that makes you come alive. This life is short, man. Enjoy it and let it rip. So if your hard-ass boss is sitting at the table.

It's going to say. His fine daughter sitting there. and you decide that's my future wife, you just go for it. Hey, listen, we got a motto, okay, die with your boots on. I love it. Ryan Beard, thank you so much. Appreciate you guys for having me. Sean's up.

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