Andy & Ari On3 - Clemson QB Cade Klubnik: I’m the epitome of the word 'development'

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

Andy's trip to Orlando last week is the gift that keeps on giving, as we dive into Clemson QB Cade Klubnik and his comments. Klubnik has been with the Tigers since 2022, and now entering his senior year, the expectations are mounting for Dabo's Swinney squad. (0:00-1:05) Intro(1:06-14:19) Clemson's Cade Klubnik ahead of 2025(14:20-21:14) Cade Klubnik's Development(21:15-28:29) Klubnik's run game(28:30-48:07) 2026 CFB HOF Ballot released(48:08-53:11) Coaches on the ballot(53:12-1:03:07) How do fans of G5, smaller schools feel?(1:03:08-1:04:48) Conclusion: See you tomorrow! The 2026 College Football Hall of Fame ballot was released on Monday afternoon, and Andy & Ari dive into this STACKED list and who should be inducted into the hall of fame. Notable players include: Aaron Donald, Percy Harvin, Ndamukong Suh, and many more. Finally, Andy & Ari close with a discussion on group of 5 fans and how fans feel in this new era of the sport. What are your thoughts? Let us know in the comments below! Watch our show LIVE on YouTube at 9:30 am et! https://youtube.com/live/3hucNRnByWQ Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] 

Welcome to Andy and Ariane 3. A gift that keeps on giving my trip down to Orlando to play the video game because we also got to talk to Cade Klubnick, the Clemson quarterback there because he's obviously on the bigger deluxe edition cover, but they made him really good in the game, Ari. Really good. As I should have yeah. Quarterback Central, I always like love the offseason discussion about the video game because it also like paints the light of like what team are you most excited to play with and why and

then that also kind of has a double meaning of what teams are you most excited to watch. I think those two kind of go hand in hand a little bit, right? Not always, but most of the time. And the expectations for Cade Clubbing this year is pretty high. And I've been banging the drum on this show, Andy, saying that 20 to 1 to win the national title for them is way too good odds to pass on. And I fully expect Clemson to make the playoff and give you a chance to at least hedge or cash a pretty fat bet there. And I'm banking a lot on his growth. Well and

that's the thing if he has a big year and they are in the national title hunt then you got a good chance of Kate Clubnick being in New York right. I don't even know if Heisman's finalists will go to New York if they have a playoff game the next week at this point but it certainly is an interesting possibility for him and and so getting to talk to him last week and we didn't actually get to talk to him much about the video game. We talked to him more about the football season that's coming and what he's been doing to prepare for it. And I found it really interesting. Let's let's start out because.

He talked about who he's modeling his game after and there's one name that's like, oh sure, obviously there's another one. You're like,'s a deep cut but i'm very intrigued here's cade clubnick oh man um i don't know i i don't think i've ever really tried to play like anybody i guess um i definitely look up to guys like this year this summer i'm studying joe joe burrow his so every summer i normally study a college player, either current or past, really normally past, and then a current NFL guy. So last year I studied senior year of Bailey Zappi. He had a great year. I mean, when I wanted to improve my presence in the pocket,

anticipation and just delivery. So I studied him and I study just calmness and coolness of Patrick Mahomes in the pocket. So study those two guys. He's not someone we get better at. And then this year I'm studying last season for Joe, which is one of the best seasons ever for a quarterback and then 2019 Joe. So he's just elite and I love

watching him play yeah what specifically you mentioned the pocket presence yeah you wanted to learn from my home what specifically are you looking for in Joe's game that you want to kind of adopt or understand yeah I would say from from 2019 to be a little more specific for 2019, just their throwing the ball was just, it was elite, their vertical game. His ability to escape the pocket but remain a passer is something that I, I feel like I can do pretty well and so that for sure. But just yeah, their play action schemes or

drop back schemes, the way he would go through his reads But stay calm in the pocket And then for last year we share the same quarterback coach So a lot of the same fundamentals and mechanics that we that Jordan teaches us he does it, you know, very very elite So I you know, I love to watch somebody who's better than me very, very elite. So I love to watch somebody who's better than me. And not that we have, I don't want to compare myself to Joe

because he's one of the best in the league, but just the way that he's doing stuff mechanically, I would love to try to be like one day. So the Joe Burrow thing's interesting because Joe Burrow was not an immediate success in college. And that's what I find so interesting about Cade Clubbing. We've got an answer from later in that interview that I asked him about, you know,

how much pressure is there at Clemson where Deshaun Watson did come as a freshman and be amazing. And Trevor Lawrence was amazing as a freshman, but Cade Clubbing needed a couple of years to get where he was going. And it seems like, you know, Joe Burroughs is a pretty good example of that because he's three years at Ohio State. He doesn't win the starting job. Dwayne Haskins wins it. He goes to LSU. He's a pretty good starting quarterback at LSU in 2018. But it wasn't until year five as a college football

player that you saw the fully formed Joe Burrough. And I kind of wonder with K. Klubnik, is that, are we watching that sort of metamorphosis? I'm not and I'll be like Kate here. I'm not saying he's going to be 2019 Joe burrow cuz who is but. Could we see that level of year-to-year improvement? Well, it's so funny because on this show all the time Andy. I always tell you about my theory, which is that if you're going to be a special player,

there are flashes or glimpses or at least clues, if not outward proof that you're gonna be that person very early on in your career, right? Like that happens very quickly, but there have been a few exceptions in college football of guys who were slower burns. Now, I don't know exactly what Joe Burrow, cause I mean, I covered Joe Burrow

when he was at Ohio State. I was a beat writer back then. And you know, he was kind of the goofy kid that would wear like wolves on his t shirt and kind of like, you know, joked around in the in the quarterback room. And if you would have told me what he would become at LSU and ultimately in the NFL, I would have kind of fell over in my chair a little bit. Um, also too, though, can you study adding Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase to your receiving court? Because like that, that certainly helps. I think that like, I just, I actually feel like Joe Burrow is one of the most impressive and stark in career transformations that I've seen

with my own two eyes. I think that Jalen Hurts is another one that jumps out to me. I don't even know who else you'd put into that equation. But maybe Josh Allen's metamorphosis from, you know, raw and talented Wyoming quarterback who, you know, didn't truly elevate the team because the teammates were not very good, but then got to the NFL, had some of the same struggles and then. But who went and then worked his way through them who went from solid. With a full year of starting to absolutely unstoppable in there within their college career, Jaden Daniels kind of, but remember Jaden Daniels had three years as the Arizona State starter. And if you look back, his freshman year was really good because he had better teammates than he had the other two years at Arizona State.

But he and Joe Burrow, their LSU time was very similar where they were both good in their first year as the LSU starter and then all otherworldly in the second year. Because I remember actually like thinking twice of like, yeah, Joe Burrow had one of the greatest individual seasons of all time, but what if he goes to the NFL and isn't very good because he doesn't have two of the most

unstoppable receivers? I mean, they're both unstoppable in the NFL. He's still got it. And he's still chasing T. Higgins. Yeah. You know, that's just kind of how it's kind of worked out for him. But Joe Burrow is an incredible example of that. And I think that like, if you are a Clemson fan who wants to go into fantasy land and think what would things that like if you are a Clemson fan who wants to go into fantasy land and think what would things look like if everything lined up perfectly and you had a 20 minute craps roll without a seven. Like that's what you would be hoping for, right?

Like you'd be hoping for a Joe Burrow like arrival. And the way that Dabo Sweeney talked about him on our show makes you believe that he's going to have that type of off season and that type of season. I don't know, you know, Andy, you played the game. I never played it in college. How much a person can grow by watching film of others. I think that's a fascinating concept. back coach is Joe Burrow. So like, when he looks at Joe, he can go and then drill that stuff. And you know, his coach can tell him, here's what Joe does. This is how Joe works on this. This is how Joe improves this, which I think it helps too. But the the Bailey Zappi thing was the one that my job is like, Really? You studied Bailey Zappi at Western Kentucky. But let me let me throw you the stats from Bailey Zapp P senior year at Western Kentucky's remember He was at Houston Baptist with Zach hit Lee was the offensive coordinator

They've true, you know, they transplanted OC and QB. It started like Oklahoma's doing this year with Ben Arbolka John Matier so Western Kentucky grabs the OC and the QB's at Kittley by the way now the head coach at Florida Atlantic Bailey's a P comes in his senior year. He completes 475 of 686 passes, which is 69.2%. 5,967 yards and 62 touchdowns. And it was interesting because when, when Kate said that, it reminded me of a week earlier, I'd been talking to my son's offensive line coach who played offensive line at Marshall and fairly recently.

He goes, best quarterback I ever saw in college, bar none, not even close, Bailey Zappi. He's like, that dude was surgical. It was funny when Cade said that and I was like, oh yeah, I think there's a lot of QBs who watched that 2021 Bailey's app. It's like it's like one of those mixtapes that gets passed around. Don't let what we know right now distract you from the fact that there was a month long period where Zappie was playing in New England where people thought he was going to be the next Brady. Don't don't. Yeah, because everybody who throws the ball well for a few weeks in New England

Automatically gets that we live through the Tommy DeVito era with the Giants too, so it happens But it's good to know that he kind of has that mindset too because more than anything of studying he knows who to study to accomplish the thing that he wants to accomplish which is to take a in-game in career transformationer transformation from year over year over year from solid to great. And I think part of the reason why people have been down on Clemson the last two years heading into the season is because they were uncertain of his ability. And I think finally you're seeing people like me and I'm 90% sure you had them in the playoff too, right 95. Yes I had the winning the ACC and being top top 4 seed and you have that thought process because you're going into a season where You're viewing their quarterback differently. He also has some better weapons, too

You know Wesco and Brian are really good receivers and that's not something that they've had Because if you remember when Deshaun Watson was playing his best game in Trevor Lawrence, I mean, they had dogs like Justin Ross. I know he didn't have much going for him in the NFL because of some injury stuff, but he was an absolute freaking dog in college. Pre-neck injury, Justin Ross was unstoppable. And then of course you've got T. Higgins. And I mean, Clemson's lineage with receivers, they're pretty, you know, from new Hopkins on had an unbelievable run.

New Hopkins, Sammy Watkins, Hunter Renfro. Yep. Just T Higgins, Amari, T Higgins' brother, Amari, why am I blanking on his last name? Why am I blanking on his last name? Rogers, that's right. Amari Rogers. But now it seems like they're having a bit of a

renaissance with that, because it looked like it was a few years without that, but Antonio Williams, who was a sophomore last year, he was their leading receiver, Bryant Wesco and TJ Moore, who were both freshmen last year. Like it feels like they are turning into that again,

where they might be able to reopen the receiver factory. So I think that's gonna be- You wanna hear some perspective though, Andy? Yeah. We're talking about Clemson and how high level their quarterback play has been in the past. There are two teams between the years 2000 and 2023, I believe, that won the national title without having signed a Top 5 class in any of the previous 4 years. And it was the two Clemson teams with Deshaun Watson that won the national championship and the Trevor Lawrence team. And you want to know why? Because they had trans, what's that word, generational, we had to throw that around, transcendent, transcendent quarterback talent. And then they signed a few top 10 classes in there as well. But

Clemson was the ultimate exception to the rule before the rule got thrown out the window of teams that were able to accomplish national championship- like results without recruiting like Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State. And it'd be like that, like you wanna start talking about Trevor Lawrence and Cade Klubnick. First of all, we kind of treat and talk about Cade Klubnick like he's some three star upstart, like up to high. Like he was a five star dude.

He was a five star from Austin, like he was big time. And he's gotten a lot of slack, I think, because I feel like for the most part, although he did have a really good end of last year, he has not played to the level of which he like his profile promised coming into college, right? Like that is, that's a fact. And he still has to go out there and play like a dog for an entire year and actually make Clemson a team that is probably about as talented and balanced

across the board at every position on both sides of the ball as anybody in college football. And like, I think that whether or not Clemson makes a run and lets that 20 to 1 ticket cash is going to fall a lot on his shoulders. And I don't think that there's anything that he can do, you know, short of turning into the person he's been watching all summer to get into the same Watson Lawrence category. But like, if he gets to 80% of that, they can win the national title this year. So like there is it's enough. So I asked him about that, though, because we killed DJ U, because he couldn't be Trevor Lawrence or Deshaun Watson immediately. We killed Cade Clubnick. We were bailing on Kate clubbing after year two, really got to go find somebody else. Maybe Christopher Zena is going to be the guy.

He's gotten better. And I think part of like we've seen quarterbacks get get better over the years, we've seen them develop. But I think because those two at Clemson were such immediate greats. We expected that from the, you know, cause Kate club Nick was the same level of recruit as Trevor Lawrence, as the Sean Watson. So river play the answer, uh, to my question about the pressure to immediately contributed Clemson and then figuring out how you develop through that.

You mentioned another year in the system and we see a lot of guys kind of bounce around as a quarterback in terms of your development. How important is that to kind of have that system knowledge and that kind of institutional knowledge that you can build on year over year as you're trying to improve yourself? I would say it's huge. You know, I'm so thankful that I've been at Clemson for four years now. It's huge just because you've got just learning the system over and over and over.

It's like installing the same thing over and over. You're just going to get better at it. The more you do it, the better you get at it, and the faster you can do it. So I've loved being with Coach Riley and that system. It's been awesome. And it's definitely been a huge blessing that Coach Sweeney and Coach Riley have been there pretty much the whole time I've been there and Coach Riley just not there in my freshman year, but it's been awesome.

I think that I'm kind of the epitome of the word development and why a lot of quarterbacks should you know when I'm coming out of the high school I'm wanting to go win go to a great culture But overall I want to leave that school better than when I got there Right you want to go somewhere that you're gonna get better and you're gonna develop And I was good my freshman year I wasn't very good my sophomore year, but I just stuck with it. And what Clemson's done with me is develop me.

They've got me better. So like if I'm a quarterback and I'm going to go get better, like Clemson's a place to do it. They're known for making players better and I feel like I'm the epitome of that. I was getting better and taking a stride every year. I took a stride my sophomore and junior year, still not where I want to be, but I'm hoping to take another step So that actually was Robbie Callen from CBS's question

Kate's answer was better for that one than it was to my question, but I That's a I mean he's cutting a promo for Clemson recruiting there, but he's not wrong like he is The example of the quarterback who you give a little time to and he blossoms. Well you do wonder too like with the way that the sport is set up now in terms of immediate results and how important they are whether or not the art of development is going to be lost. Because I don't know there's a lot of quarterbacks who come into the college realm with that expectation. I think the expectation is to get paid handsomely out of high school, to go to a place that will compensate you appropriately for your skill talent or your skill level. And then your talent will carry you through to improvement

year over year so that you can increase your income. But I don't know like when you look at five star players moving forward, how many are gonna have the same type of career arc that Kate has had at Clemson? How many schools are gonna be willing to wait it out? Like? And I wonder, you know, you listen to the way that Dabo talks about Clemson and how important development is, whether or not Clemson is one of the few remaining programs in college football, right or wrong, or that's actually the okay thought process heading into it. Because people are changing roster so quickly. Coaches are going to be looking to improve quicker, too. Like, I think that the, the interesting thing about the transfer portal in NIL, Andy, that has been so talked about is that players are less patient and thus more willing to move and leave situations, even sometimes to go to worse situations in order to get instant gratification. But I also think, too,

that there's probably been a shift in coaches' thought processes in terms of their patience with their players. Because with players leaving this quickly and players available, you might not have the patience to want to develop a guy for three years. And if you have a chance to upgrade immediately

in the portal, then you might do that too. So it's not just players leaving, but it's also coaches who have shorter leashes, you know, have higher expectations to flip rosters quickly and are probably more quick to move on from somebody, even if they have potential to try to get the shorter route to production and thus shorter leases for the players. Because like, listen, it all has to trickle down, right?

Like if you, if you want to use that, the thing that you say, which I agree with 100% of the time is that there was no year zero anymore, then that also plays into a part on what your players have to do from a development standpoint out of the gate in order to, you know, if their time arc is shorter, then players' time arcs for developments are shorter.

Like, right? Like that's- Yeah. And Dabo is in a position that he has to do that. I wonder if Dabo has like just a good gut on this because he did move on from Kelly Bryant at the right time. He moved on from DJ way on the late to move to Kate club. Nick, he stuck with Kate club.

Nick though, he didn't move on from him even when he struggled. So maybe he's got a good gut instinct about this, about, you know, club Nick had more to him and. We saw more to club next game last year. And of course, are you know, I had to ask him about crazy legs club Nick. Yeah. We've heard about we I have been critical of Davos Sweeney quite a bit the last few years, like Davos, the most confusing person in the world, because I think he would be on

my Mount Rushmore of modern-day coaches, but also like has driven me crazy with his inability or his, not inability, his, he took his time to adapt, I think. But at the same time, too, there's one thing that you can unequivocally not say about Dabo Sweeney, and that is that he's not a good evaluator. I think that Dabo Sweeney and his staff has been the leading charge of what peak evaluation looks like from top to bottom. And I wonder, you know, a lot of times too with me, like I'm an eye roller with with coach speak. And you know that Dabo Sweeney has, you know, he listened to our show. He heard of the elevator. Coaches speak a different language. It's got a line for everything, but I do actually wonder. If Dabo is hitting the nail on the head in the sense of we are recruiting people who fit Clemson. I know a lot of people say that, but Dabo actually embodies that in a way that others don't.

Yeah, I think he means it in a way that other coaches think they mean it, but don't really they don't they don't practice really means it. And I wonder if there's going to be a 180 when it comes to how to build a roster. And it's like everybody's going to be transient and you're going to have 17 new players starting for you every other year. And like I wonder if Clemson might not be a national title contender year over year, but once every four years come

out with a team like they're bringing in this year, in a world where that is more appropriate where nobody is a national championship contender year over year, like I wonder if like Clemson is going to take the long route back to the top in a way that is different. Does that make sense? Like it does. It makes perfect sense and look. Kate club Nick adding a dimension to his game last year that the running part that we talked to Davos weenie about

here's here's what club Nick said about that and his ability just suddenly rip off these long runs. Do you feel like some of the runs especially the one in pit game like your speed rating should be way up there, right? We'll see. I just just gotta go check it out. I don't know if I'm allowed to say, but it was about three points higher than I thought it was gonna be. Those are not final, by the way. Okay, never mind then. Maybe they can get it up a little more, I don't know.

I was happy with it though. I was talking to Dabo a few weeks ago and he said that it felt like you got so much more comfortable running the ball last year. What changed? I think just being able to get through my reads faster, honestly just being in the system another year. It's not a guessing game. It wasn't guessing game as much last year in terms of just how I was getting

through my stuff. So escaping when I need to and not run I'm, you know, not run from ghosts is kind of a term that we say is when I'm sitting back in their pocket and you know, I've got, I've got time back there and sometimes I would just run too early. You know, I got a great pocket. Um, so being able to do that, but then when I am trusting my legs, you know, just knowing scenarios, you know, second and 10, don't have to go throw a 15 yard out route,

you know, go get six, seven, eight yards and get ourselves in a good spot for third down is just putting drives together and keeping them alive and also using them on third downs and stuff is definitely big. When it winds up being 65 yards though, does it surprise you or do you know it's in there? Yeah, I haven't had many of those

and I actually had two or three last year. So those were pretty fun. Sometimes they surprised me. It just kind of happens. But it's definitely not because of myself. It's everybody kind of working together. You know what I hear from him, Ari, is somebody who understands the offense, who

understands the assignment. And he's being pretty critical of his his prior self because he's basically saying I didn't quite understand these situations before and now I am very situationally aware. That I would assume comes from from experience, but also from from study and everything else. Yeah, and if those types of you know. process related decisions Aren't gonna be on Sports Center's top ten plays and they're not gonna be something that the naked eye would even kind of comprehend

But unless he goes for 80 yards like in the pick no, right But I feel like the quarterbacks that turn third and ten into third and four With regularity are the ones that coaches are obsessed with and the ones that win a lot of games. Um, you know, the best in college football was at that in the last 10 years is Jayden Daniels, the area when the Heisman, he was in credit, like he turned so many third nines into, into another first down, even when the pocket broke down, it was insane. Yeah. But being smart enough to know that instead of throwing a 30% ball on second and 10,

when you can check down or extend a play with your legs to get five yards, you know, taking what the defense gives you, not trying to be too greedy, trying to hit spots that, you know, aren't going to hit because you're desperate, like playing within yourself, playing in control and playing process oriented football is something that might not lead to exciting television, you know, but sometimes it is sometimes avoiding a sack and running four yards is an exciting play. But you know, I think that if there's somebody in the flat that you can dump the ball down to who has an easy five yards, or you have a timing route to the outside on second and 10, that has a 20% chance of completion that doing the right thing and taking the yardage that's there for yourself

gives you a higher likelihood obviously of converting that third down and keeping your offense on the field which then opens the door for Sports center type plays and more touchdowns for sure. I Just he sounds so confident right now, and I don't know that he sounded like that in previous years So I think I'm really excited to see what Kate club. It does issue Just like we're talking about Ryan Williams on yesterday's show like the growth is obvious and Ryan Williams obviously had a phenomenal Freshman year, but I think he can build on that Kate club. We've had a really good year last year But if he could take another leap Similar to the one he took before last year. You're talking about a very good team Yep. Yeah, and I'm excited to watch Clemson. Listen, I I put money where my mouth was similar to the one he took before last year. You're talking about a very good team.

Yep, yep. And I'm excited to watch Clemson. Listen, I put money where my mouth was. I think that they're basically a lock to make the playoff this year, even if they were to lose the opener. And from there, who knows? Incredible quarterback matchup in the opener.

K. Klubnick versus Garrett Nussmaier, two of the best in the country. Like that is gonna be amazing to be amazing to watch that Saturday night. August when people freaked out when I did my most exciting non conference games and I put Ohio State, Texas too. And this number one. This one could be. Yeah, I said we don't know what Ohio State takes is going to be this LSU Clemson game

is going to be so much fun. I just don't know what answers you're gonna get out of the Ohio State Texas game. I think you're gonna get some answers out of that LSU. Because Arch, I guess. I mean, yeah, that's stupid. It's Arch Manning, I get it.

And Ohio State's debuting a quarterback too. But I feel like we're probably pretty certain that both of those teams are playoff teams next year. And it'll be a great game. I'm not trying it's number two. But in terms of like the Brian Kelly, Kate Clubnick, Dabo Sweeney, Garrett Nussmeyer, like there is like five storylines there of like, Hey, is Clemson gonna finally do what you know, we punted on thinking they could do? Is LSU gonna finally win an opener and put themselves in a position to be viewed as a top five team, which is something that is pushed back a lot. Andy, you know, you have a lot of you have a lot of of revelatory. It's like if Ohio State loses the Texas 31 to 27, like I don't know how much you learn from that other than two really good things.

They both be really good. Like they could see each other again. Yeah, if LSU goes into Clemson and stops them or Clemson stops LSU, like we're gonna make some assumptions at that one thing that the LSU Clemson and stops them or Clemson stops LSU, like we're going to. We're making some assumptions at that point. The one thing that the LSU Clemson game has that the Ohio State Texas game does not is coaching storylines. Yeah, and I like coaching storylines to me are the juiciest. Like is Arch Manning going to be good? You know, we've talked a lot about that this offseason, you know, I think he's going to be

good. But even if he has a average game against Ohio State, like Ohio State does that. And if Julian Sand has an average game against Texas, a team that has maybe four first round draft picks starting on it this year, then okay, well, that's going to happen if that's your first game starting ever. You know, like for me, it's like Brian Kelly is such an interesting just talking point. Like I know that he's too expensive to fire after next year, but like still LSU has not been LSU in a five-year period and that's not good enough there. And Dabbo Sweeney is doing things his own way unapologetically. And we were questioning whether that was good enough to win a national championship ever again. And I think the system has reverted back to a place where Clemson doesn't have to be

2017-16-18 Clemson in order to do it. Can they hang on the same field as a team like LSU that did really well on the I don't know if they'll explain it to you guys you guys all know if you're listening that's gonna be a hell of a story story to watch that day. It's gonna be amazing and who, probably matchups of future college football Hall of Famers on that first day of the season. Speaking of the college football Hall of Fame, so the National Football Foundation released

the list of names, the people who are eligible to be selected for the next year's class in the college football Hall of Fame. We talked about, you know, this, next year's class in the College Football Hall of Fame. We talked about, you know, this, hopefully Mike Leach is eligible now because they changed the coaching requirements and made it where it's a little bit different. And so, you know, perhaps he's got a shot now but the there are a lot of players that are on this list and it is uh it's pretty amazing and pretty hard because I looked at the list last year I think there were 16 players from the division the FBS slash

division 1a level that they selected and so I went through this list and tried to narrow it down to like 16. And it is brutal. It is brutal because there's so many good players that wind up not there. So let me just read. I'm going to read you the the names of the players. And it's a lot of names. And be be aware that you would have to cut a lot of these names out. So Flozell the motel Adams from Michigan State the offensive line Morton Anderson.

Eric Anderson Brad banks the Iowa quarterback Kenyon Barner the Oregon running back. Freddie Barnes from Bowling Green Aaron Beasley from West Virginia Bernard Berrien from Fresno State Eric the enemy. Who is an incredible running back in Colorado. Jeff Regal USC offensive lineman Alex Brown, one of the single greatest games ever. The 99 Tennessee game Florida Florida defensive end Courtney Brown from Penn State. Des Bryant from Oklahoma State.

Rocky Kalmas from Oklahoma. Mark Carrier, Kajana Carter from Penn State. Russell Carter, Matt Cavanaugh, Dallas Clark, Randall Cobb, Mark O'Connell. I'm only in the seas are E. from Penn State, Russell Carter, Matt Cavanaugh, Dallas Clark, Randall Cobb, Marco Coleman. I'm only in the C's, Ari. Can I give you my locks? Can I give my locks that I think have to make it in this class?

You ready? There's only there's one that's definitely like it's Cam Newton, right? Like that's that's one Cam Newton. Yeah, Cam Newton for sure. Most dominant single season by any college player ever. Dragged the Auburn team in 2010 to an undefeated season and a national title. I don't think I've ever seen a more dominant quarterback performance in a single season in college football. Cam Newton for sure. Aaron Donald is on the list.

Yeah. Let me read you the stat line from one game in Aaron Donald's final year at Pittsburgh So they played against Georgia Tech on November 2nd 2013 actually lost this game Not Aaron Donald's fault He had 11 solo tackles Six of those were tackled for tackles for loss. He forced two fumbles and he had a sack of those were tackled for tackles for loss. He forced two fumbles and he had a sec. All right, Georgia Tech ran the triple option. The triple option is designed to never have a negative play. How any single human being had six tackles for loss against a triple option team

is mind blowing, mind blowing. So everything you saw from Aaron Donnell in the NFL, he was even more dominant pit. How many go back and watch the YouTube? How many people are they taking? They're probably going to take 15 or so, 16 or so from this this long list. This is insane because you're going to have to. I mean, I think other locks. Do you have other locks in Dama can sue? That's that's that's one of my locks.

What again we're talking about most dominant performances for an entire season and obviously in Dominic and Sue had multiple great seasons like 2007-2008 were great seasons 2009 is the greatest season and interior defensive lineman other than Aaron Donald has ever had. And maybe better than anything

Aaron Donald did too. He led Nebraska in tackles. If you watch the 2009 Big 12 Championship game, single-handedly dismantled an offense of a team that played for the national title that year. That was undefeated otherwise. He was just scary. It's like the stats too. It's like, okay, go read all the stats and stuff. But it's just like, he just scary. It's like the stats too. It's like OK, go read all the stats and stuff. But it's just like he was scary.

There was a Thursday night game where they played Missouri in the rain. He twisted Blaine Gabbard into a pretzel. Blaine Gabbard is a huge person and a good athlete. And in Dama, consume made him look like a small child. Yeah, and obviously both of those guys went on to be pretty dominant and it fell defensive tackles. What another one? Did I think it's a lock?

There's some tough ones. I think I know what you're... Who do you think I'm going to pick? Is it somebody who went to Mama Mater? It's not. That's not who I was going to say, but there's certainly... Who were you going to say? I was going to say Peter Warrick.

Oh yeah. Like, I don't know, when you talk about, because like also too, like didn't they win the national title and he was the MVP of the national title game that year? Like he was- He was the best player on the field that season. And I remember Peter Warrick in 1996 as a freshman

was just nasty. Like standing on the field at Doe Campbell Stadium during the Florida floor state game, like standing on the floor sideline watching Peter Warrick, like he was unstoppable or felt unstoppable. And 99 was when he was at his absolute peak. But Andy, he did go to your album water, the other one. He didn't, but he did water the other one he didn't

But he did a lot of the same things as the guy I'm gonna talk about Yeah, Percy Harvin's the one that you were you're getting at right cuz Percy Harvin's exactly. Yeah, I know I know trust me guys Please don't write. I know Peter work went to Florida State. That's not what I was saying I was transitioning to Percy Harvin who corrects me make the case is one of the greatest college football players of all time in general Correct. I think you make the case as one of the greatest college football players of all time in general. Yes, I would agree with that. He like, I think if you pulled the players who were on the 2006 and 2008 national title teams at Florida and said who was the most special person on the roster,

every single one of them will say Percy Harbin. And we're talking about rosters that had Tim Tebow that had Brandon Spikes that had the Pouncey Twins like there were some great players on those teams. But I guarantee you like I don't think I'm speaking out of school here. I think we could bring Tim Tebow on and be like who's the most special player Percy. We bring Brandon Spikes in here. Who's the most special player? Percy. This, he was just a different human being. And it's interesting that we went from talking about Peter Warwick to talking about Percy, because Peter Warwick, very similar

kind of player, but Percy was, was kind of the, just the perfect version of all of that. Like I will never forget, cause I was on a beat writer when he was a freshman. And so we got to watch practice early in the season back then in the pre-season. The first time he touches the ball, you're just like, I've never seen anything like that. I've never seen anything like that. I mean, the entire season was just one SportsCenter highlight

of him running up the sideline, like untouched because people couldn't get anywhere near him. Like it was like every single time. And like, Listen, Andy, I don't know, you covered it, right? You were there firsthand. But, you know, I covered his coach who left the program, Florida and then ended up and had another one that and for three or four years into the beat when urban got to Ohio State every single Receiver that Ohio State would either sign or be recruiting the question in the press conference was is he gonna be your Percy Is he gonna be your Percy in urban was at one point?

Just was like no one's gonna be Percy guys like I don't know There's no other Percy Harvin But you want to know the player that Urban Meyer was obsessed with and wanted to be like Percy, although I don't know that he ever played anything like Percy Harvin was right when he took the Ohio State job. Urban Meyer was absolutely obsessed with Stefan Diggs and trying to rip him away from Maryland. And that didn't happen. And Stefan Diggs obviously went on to do some pretty incredible things. And Stefan actually, I mean, better NFL career than Percy had, but.

Not the same thing. They're not the same type of player, but I feel like they kept trying to find the track meet guy who you could do the shovel pass to or the quick bitch who would be able to make someone miss, turn it up field and run for 80 yards. And like there's nobody else that could do it like that. The play in the SEC Championship game, Percy's freshman year 2006 against Arkansas, where they just hand in the ball. Because by the end of that season, they'd gotten tired of trying to figure out how to

force feed him in the pass game. And so late in the season, they just started handing it to him. And he was the best running back in the country when they handed him. Like it was it was crazy. So I it's it's weird because with these it's hard because sometimes their NFL career didn't match like Des Bryant's on this list. Like I think Des Bryant is probably a college football Hall of Famer even though he burned out in the NFL. I mean it does. Brian had a really good NFL career.

It didn't go as long as it probably could have, but he still was pretty dominant when he was on the field in the NFL too, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, he was good in the NFL. He's very good in the NFL too, but he- I got another one for you. Okay. Another one, cause like we know Percy Harvin's good,

but like, let me ask you this in terms of like, and maybe it's just because this was more my, like there aren't a lot of players on this list that were playing when I was working a lot of people from my childhood. But like the one that stood out to me was Manti Teo. And I was wondering what your thoughts were on that. I think he's definitely a college football Hall of Famer help bring Notre Dame back. I mean, I remember covering his recruitment and how big of a deal it was for Notre Dame to get him. And they needed that at the time

I mean this was this was the tail end of the Charlie Weiss era where they just they didn't have a lot of juice on the recruiting trail and Getting man-tied was a big deal and then he became a very good college player now The catfishing thing is always gonna follow him now I think he's done a good job of distancing itself from it and kind of moving on with his life. Like he's on Good Morning Football now we see him every day on TV. But that's always going to be part of the story.

But I don't think it should overshadow how good he was as a college football player. Well, the thing that I think is interesting about this discussion and maybe this will bleed over to when we get to the coaches side of things, Andy. Is the discussion that we kind of had at the end of Monday show, which was should there be a win percentage or a stat threshold that somebody has to reach in order to be considered? And, you know, I don't know, because I'm not an expert and was very young when some of these guys were playing. You know, some of them played before I was born. But how many of these players commanded the attention in the story the way that Manti did that year?

And I know part of that was the catfishing thing, but the catfishing thing didn't really come to light till the end of the year. And he was still the story of the season. The season was over. And I know, yeah, and I know that you can't stand my thought process when it comes to voting for the Heisman. And you know, yeah, and I know that you can't stand my thought process when it comes to voting for the Heisman. And, you know, maybe I'll relax it a little bit as

a result of you influencing me. But when you think about Hall of Famers, too, how much of the story, how much of the pulse, how much of the attention do you feel like matters in this? Or is it just how good were you? I don't think necessarily the story. I just think he was really important to Notre Dame in that period and helping Notre Dame become a nationally prominent program. But I just don't think that you could measure Manti Teo's presence by looking at his stats. That's the point I'm making. And his presence made Notre Dame relevant for the first time in a very long time

in a way that, you know, other guys on this list couldn't even come close to. And some were very good and some were just like, I mean, you got, you got Lyman on here that people just, they know we're good, but you don't have any moments of remembering. Oh, I get a moment. I, there's one on here that needs to be an Alis Banneker. That's the one. I think I've told the story before of when I had to play him on

scout team as a freshman. No, you didn't. He's a freak. So LSU week, my freshman year, one of the GAs comes down and says, I need you to come up before practice. I need you to look at this. And he's showing me video of number 66 for LSU. And he's like, okay, this is who you're gonna be playing

this week and I'm watching this guy and I'm like how in the world am I gonna do this this person is a superhuman like Alan Faneca was so freaking fast and if I've been getting too into far into the weeds I'm sorry here's what they had Alan Fannica do. Alan Fannica could be playing left guard. You could have a sweep going to the right, like a toss sweep. So going very wide to the right. Alan Fannica's job would be to hit the play side linebacker who is already closer to the

running back than he was and probably fast as fast as the running back. So in my case, it was Mike Peterson at Florida who, who wound up playing like 11 years in the NFL currently is on Florida staff. Mike Peterson was one of the fastest outside linebackers I ever saw. And so like what I had to do was Alan Fannica was I had to pull around the right side, get out ahead of whoever they had playing Kevin Falk. I can't remember who's playing Kevin Falk that week. But and then hit Mike Peterson before he can hit the running back.

And it's not possible. It's impossible. But like on the film Alan Faddeus doing it every play. I was like, how is this person even mortal? Like this, this can't exist. He's 300 pounds. Yeah. The, uh, the scout player. Oh, he's an NFL hall of famer too. So the thing that I've always been amused by, um, and it's just something that if you cover a team, you hear like, so who's playing so-and-so on, on the scout team, like it's like a storyline and it's like, why are you having the players who aren't good enough to have a

scholarship, try to duplicate what the best player on the other team is doing? Actually that same week I had that same conversation in my head while Bob Stoops was yelling at me. So Bob Stoops is the defensive coordinator. I'm messing up his drill repeatedly because I can't be Alan Fannica. And so that play I'm telling you about, that toss sweep to the right, which was the bane of my existence for a week. He's like, since you are so slow, we're going to let you get back out of your stance and stand in a sprinter stance behind the line of scrimmage. Yeah. And what I wanted to say the whole time was, dude,

if I could do this, I wouldn would be on this field with you. I'd be on the other field of the starters. I told Bob's that story. He laughed. Yeah. It is kind of funny because it's just like, uh, yeah, like if I was able to do this, then I would be on scholarship and playing. Uh, so, you know, like, I don't know why they pick me. I think it was just, I think they, they realized they made a huge mistake because there were freshmen scholarship offensive lineman or redshirt freshmen scholarship offensive lineman who were down on scout team, who they could have used and they should have used because

those guys actually wound up playing in later years and were good players. So they just messed up. Yeah. years and were good players. So they just messed up. But I learned a valuable lesson. What a Hall of Fame NFL offensive lineman looks like at an early stage and the fact that Alan Fannik is already in the NFL Hall of Fame is not in the college football Hall of Fame. That is a crime. You want to know another one that is interesting to me. Yeah. Ryan leaf. It's a great one. We need to have him on the show. Have you ever talked to Ryan? Do you know that when I went to Cabo with my wife in February for my for her brother's 40th birthday that one of the other friends that was there celebrating and one of my wife's brother's closest friends

is Brady Leaf, Ryan's brother. Okay. So I've never talked to Ryan, but I talked to Brady while hammered in a pool for three straight days. Ryan is an incredible guy. Like very upfront and honest about everything that's happened in his life.

It's part of his recovery to be honest about it. I work with him a lot at SiriusXM and he is just an interesting guy to talk to because he will get into all that stuff about the draft and what happened after he got to the Chargers and it's fascinating and he owns all of it now. Tell me if I'm talking out of school here but he got addicted to pain pills and it's fascinating and he owns all of it now. Tell me if I'm talking out of school here, but he got addicted to pain pills that were prescribed to him to play football, right?

Like, isn't that how that started? That it started that way and then yeah, it spiraled out of control and yes. But his first taste of the opioid came from a football related medicine. Right, yeah. Yeah. And now if we were to talk about Ryan Leath

as a college football player, he was a Phenomenal quarterback at Washington State. So certainly yeah belongs on this list. I Don't I don't know if you put him in because it's it's hard like with like just the court the quarterbacks alone on this list They're all really good. Brad banks was pretty awesome at Iowa. Kellen Moore was Unbelievable at Boise State, Jordan Lynch was incredible at Northern Illinois, Dorsey, Ken Dorsey, RG 3 is on this list too, so yeah, but there's a lot of players

too that were really, really, really, really, really good who don't have the star power, but we're probably as good at playing that. Like listen, you know who's not going to get in probably, but probably should Antoine Randall. Well, I mean that guy you want to talk about. He's on this list too. Yeah, like

he's he's somebody that I would put on there. I'm trying to think Terrence Newman from K-State, another player that was insanely good. Can I give you another another guy on this list who I think should should definitely be in but obviously given his age has not gotten in in a bunch of tries. obviously given his age has not gotten in in a bunch of tries. Who's that? Sebastian Janikowski. Oh yeah. So Sebastian Janikowski was incredible. So got a story about him too.

My buddy from high school says, Hey, if you ever get a chance, you need to come watch my club soccer team play. I was like, why? He's like, we got this dude from Poland. It was Sebastian Janikowski. And so he's like a center midfielder in soccer in high school and just towering over. He looked like a man among boys. And he would just maul everyone down the field and then send this rocket shot into the goal and then you see him kicking for Florida State and it literally every time he kicks the ball. It sounds like a bomb is going off. That's so funny.

Well, amazing. Oh yeah, there's just too many people on this list and that's hard. I don't know this. I'm sure you do. Who votes for this? I don't know this. I'm sure you do. Who votes for this? So it's the members of the National Football Foundation. I believe Football Riders Association of America members are allowed to vote as well. So it's it's a pretty big group. There's people who care a lot about the game. And I think they take it very seriously. Let's talk about the coaches.

They actually didn't nominate Mike Leach, even though they did alter the criteria to allow him to be nominated. So hopefully he'll be on the list next year. But I got three coaches on this list that I think are two or definite no brainers. One I think should be. Chris Peterson, Boise State in Washington. Gary Patterson, TCU. I don't know if there's any question those two should get in right now. to you. I don't know if there's any question those two should get in right now. And then the other one locked in on this too. Gary's like, yeah, like, listen, everyone, you know, he, he's well aware. I bet he's right though. I know he is. He was amazing for a long time. Like who's the third? Okay.

Let me ask you this. Cause we talked about Davos and evaluated earlier. Has there ever been a better evaluator in the history of college football than Gary Patterson? Probably not. Who could go look at a high school running back and be like, that's an NFL defensive end. Right. And also to like leveling the playing field, the original person who went from, you know, smaller time school that isn't competing at a high level to being really, really, really good. Like the 14, the epitome of what they were in 14, like that not a lot of coaches could have built that there. Yeah, yeah. The other one who isn't necessarily a no brainer, who I would say they should put in is Ralph Regent at Maryland, because that's such a hard job. He was amazing. He won the ACC at Maryland. Come on. Yeah, that's

really difficult. It's funny how you can use the context of today's game to try to, you know, contextualize like how hard of a job it is and whether or not that's the same thing. But yeah, Maryland seems impossible. There are a lot of a lot of people on this list that are just guys that coach at small time places that I'm not even really all that well aware of. Like from 1948 to 67, like I don't even know who that person is. I'm not gonna pretend like-

I'll give you one from the FCS ranks, is Rod Broadway. Yeah. Who happened, he was the defensive line coach at Florida when I was playing. And so I just enjoyed listening to him argue with the offensive line coach during one on one pass pro. But he turned into an excellent head coach at several

different HBC use because he he worked at North Carolina Central, he worked at Grambling and at North Carolina and he had a really good career there. And wound up being a guy who inspired a lot of younger coaches to, younger coaches to get into the business. And so that's one I would say, just a helpful suggestion if you want to throw another coach on there, that would be one to think about. Is there a total number of people

or is it split from X number of players, X number of coaches? Yeah, it seems like there's a threshold that you have to hit in terms of votes and So it can be more it can be less last year. I believe it was 16 of the FBS 1a and then there are a couple players from the the FCS division 2 division 3 ranks and then There were four coaches last year now Nick Saban and Urban Meyer among the four coaches last year. Now, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer were among the four coaches last year. So easy no brainers there.

Yeah. Is Nick Saban the lock to get into you think? He's in, he got in last year. No, I know. I'm just making a joke. He's the greatest. He should be in hall of fames for fields that aren't even football.

He was that good. He should be in the automotive. He's also in the hall of fame. He's like Nick Saban. He should be in the automotive fame. He's like, next in the segment. He should be in the all-time best automotive designer Hall of Fame. That guy was so good. Him and Frank Sinatra should be in every Hall of Fame.

I like that. I like that. Oh, producer points out on this list, by the way, of players. Mark Ingram. Yeah. And the problem is, there's a lot of these guys, you're like, oh, this is a lot. Deshaun Jackson. Deshaun Jackson is another, like there was a, I don't want to know if you want to go right back to this, but there are players on this list that were truly unbelievably

incredible that will get overshadowed by guys who were bigger names like Brad Banks and I was one. I think that Antoine Randall will L. Antoine Randall L will be on that list. James Laurinitis. Yeah, what about Kajana Carter? He's not he's Dallas Clark, the tight end from Iowa. Randall Cobb. Randall Cobb was a dog at Kentucky. Vernon Davis. How about Simeon Rice and Kevin Hardy from Illinois? And what about the Virgil Ferguson? Offensive tackle from Virginia? Virginia.

Virginia? No one's going to, you know, everybody loved his name when the Jets drafted him. But I hope there's appreciation for how good he was in college. I don't know who else was on here that, you know. This is so freaking hard. You know who's on here? Marvin Harrison.

Senior. Yeah. Although junior probably should already be in too, but like we'll talk about that in 10 years. Let's be real here. Father son Hall of Fame duos, but yeah, that's a great list. And I think that like too, on this show, we talked so much about the future. And I think people are more interested in the future. But I do have an appreciation of when we can look

back into the past a little bit and kind of highlight some people that deserve their shine. And I think we did a pretty good job of that today. I think we did too. Speaking of people who deserve their shine, we've got some listeners slash viewers who helped us with a question that we asked on yesterday's show. And I want to read some of the answers because I think I think it's really as you prompt first the prompt if you didn't listen to yesterday's show, we talked specifically to people and fans of teams

that aren't necessarily realistic national championship contenders at the highest level and whether or not they would be as fulfilled and excited about their teams if they went down to a level and were more competitive in that level. And here's what we got. Yeah, I think that would be, it's a good question. I thought I knew what the answer would be in.

I'd say that the people who responded answered in the way I thought they might. So here's Adam. Adam's a Liberty fan. And this was in the chat from Monday's show. As a Liberty alum, I've seen fans just go up after we went from FCS to FBS. Yes, we don't have a chance at the national title right now,

but we can and have beaten Virginia Tech, Baylor, Arkansas, and BYU. Alumni from around the country now care about Liberty football because we play more recognizable schools instead of VMI, Gardner Web, et cetera. For programs like these, making the Fiesta Bowl equals winning the national title, which I think is a perfectly fair one.

Now, I got another response from a Mississippi State fan, so it's Dear Old State on Twitter. Mississippi State fan here, take the check, take the loss. Like that's from the SEC. So because like Mississippi State funded at the level it's funded now, you put them in a different league that may be winning that league. But no, they want to be in the SEC. They want they want to be part of that. Take the check, take the loss means. We're just happy to be in the SEC.

It doesn't matter what happens. Is that what is that? What that means? Yeah, we're big time here and so when they have a moment and this is kind of piggybacking off Adams answer when they have a moment like 2014 when they ascend to number one in the poll, and they're number one in the first college football playoff rankings, which came out late, late October, early November, like that's a massive deal for them. That's a historic moment in their program. Sure, Alabama doesn't care about that, because Alabama's been number one in that a million times, but

at Mississippi State, it means something and that in that one year and that moment equates to a decade's worth of dominance at a lower level probably. Correct, correct. Alright, so this is from Kayden who's a Boise State fan. Love your show today. I'm a die-hard Boise State fan. I just want a shot. Frustrating ashard Boise State fan. I just want a shot Frustrating is Boise State fan that we can't be invited to a bigger conference with more funding Boise State has been better than 60% of the power five this century and He says if the SEC and Big Ten truly cared about the best teams

There would be relegation it'd be hard to convince me that Boise State with the SEC and Big Ten funding couldn't get to the top Level. Hope to see you guys in South Bend. Mexican food on me. So clearly, Kaden knows how you feel. And thanks so much for writing in, guys. Who do you think is more worthy of being in the Big 10? Purdue or Boise? Boise tries harder. Wouldn't it be crazy if like how hard you tried, like was the exact litmus test necessary to...

Because like, you know, the ones who try the hardest and care the most should probably be the schools that are rewarded the most with money, which then would in turn to invest it back into the program and then reach heights that they probably can't. Alabama cares the most and has the money and then what you get is what you see.

I mean, it's a good show. It's a good show for a high state, yeah. Would be a good show to like, here are the 10 programs that care the most, but caring enough isn't gonna be enough to overcome the financial deficit that they face every year. And like Boise is the headliner of that list, right? Yep. I really like the way that these folks

have answered this question. Liberty's probably on that list too. Liberty's on that list too, right? Yes, Liberty's absolutely on that list. But like Liberty, say what you want about them. They, their number one goal is to be good at football. That's really important to them. It's like that's-

Appalachian State, we've heard from Appalachian State fans. And you know, Appalachian State was dominant at the FCS level, like winning multiple national titles. And their fans seem to enjoy what they're doing now as much or more. Yeah, and I know that's only three people, I don't know, we're not going to speak for the entire, but I do think that like for the most part being a part of the system and having a chance at a hope of knocking off a team for one week or reaching the top of the polls and you you know,

the CFP reveal in October and all the different things at some of these schools. Cause like, listen, I think that for the most part, if you go down the list of schools, like they've all had their moments, you know, like I don't know that there's been a team that's just been crappy for 30 years every year and never had a moment.

Mississippi State has their moment. Purdue has had their moment when they beat the crap out of Ohio State in 16. They had their Drew Brees years. I mean, everybody has had a blip, right? Arizona made the fiestable not too long ago. Arizona State was a team that went 25 years without being very good.

And then all of a sudden is neck and neck with Texas in a playoff game, winning the big 12. Like there aren't a lot of teams that have just been bad and only bad, right? Like that's another piece of context that's important too. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of it like it's teams like Appalachian State and Liberty that were good at the lower

level and then. I mean, look, look, Illinois. James Madison, we're watching it with James Madison now too. Yeah. I mean, Illinois is coming into the years, the top 10 team in some people's polls. They're having a moment right now. Like everybody, you know, Cycle of Struett has a moment. Like I think you and I have both been vehemently against the entire Super League idea and this is the reason for it. So we want people

to vote, to have hope, we want them to be engaged. And I do like the art of the upset too. Like there's no game in the NFL that happens where your face melts off by the result, is there? Like even if the Browns beat the Patriots one week, is that a big deal? That's why survivor leagues are so hard to win. Cause the worst team meets the best team all the time. Yeah, it's part of what makes college football special. And it's the same reason that we,

you and I have both said, we don't want a super league. We don't want them cutting down to the 32 biggest or the 48 biggest or whatever. I like the fact that it's a broad spectrum. I like the fact that the big 12 games and look, the bigger playoff makes this happen. The smaller playoff didn't really do this, but the bigger playoff, like the big 12 games affect what happens to the bracket and affect what happens in the Big 10 and in the SEC and in the ACC. And I love that. I love that I can flip on a like, I'm so excited about some of these big 12 regular season games that we've talked about with the flip our

three and a half coin, like sitting down on a Friday night and watching that as the appetizer to the weekend. I come on are excited for Auburn Baylor. Yes. That game does not exist in the super league team era. Exactly. Exactly. And what a Baylor wins guys, by the way, could happen, will happen. Maybe certainly could happen. Pretty high on Auburn. Could happen. Sorry, Robertson's a hell of a quarterback, though. So yeah. Look at the top. Listen real quick, Andy.

I know we're trying to wrap this up. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to add up how many teams on this list are. These are the top 10 non-conference games on the screen for those listening. So there's 20 total teams. There is one, two, three, four, five teams out of the 20 that would not be included in the Super League

probably right? Am I adding that right? Well you're saying North Carolina and Miami wouldn't I think they probably would. No no. There's less than 20 teams because you have. No no. Baylor and Duke. Baylor, Duke, oh. TCU.

TCU, North Carolina you're right it's's probably three North Carolina is probably in it. North Carolina's in it. Miami's in it in Illinois by Association is in it. Clemson's going to be in it. If it happens. Yeah. Okay. Florida's probably going to be in it. Even if it's three out of 20, that's 15%. Yeah. It no exactly. I'm with you keep it broad Liberty Appalachia State Boise State all the ones we just talked about boys state by the way Among the the teams that are going to the the new pack. It's I guess they're gonna call the pack eight

When it when it debuts with eight teams But they have as of Monday night said there teams. But they have as of Monday night said they're. Excuse me as of Sunday night, they said they're they're out of the Mountain West. In 2026 now. Don't put you on the spot. Well, now I gotta come up with the little well, it's Washington State, Oregon State, Boise State.

Well, now I gotta come up with the lit. Well, it's Washington State, Oregon State, Boise State, San Diego State. I just wanted to make sure that Oregon State and Washington State weren't it. They're the main fixture. They founded it, basically. Okay, well let them rise again. You don't have to go look up everything. I just thought it was an interesting thought. Colorado State, Utah State, San Diego State, Boise State. The pack eight will rise again. I just thought it was a interesting thought. Colorado State, Utah State, San Diego State, Boise State. The pack eight will rise again. It's gonna be, I think it's gonna wind up being eight. We're not sure.

They haven't finalized everything yet, but we think it's gonna be eight. Just go get Ohio State and really put a wrench in this whole thing. Go get Alabama. Yeah, but the schools that are leaving them out in West, so that would be Boise State, Fresno State, Colorado State, Utah State, San Diego State have given their

notice they are out as of Sunday night, they've given their notice to be out in the summer of 2026. So this is their final year in the Mountain West. Okay, well, I'll let you do the episode on that by yourself. Because that's like what happens in the Mountain West now? I don't even know what the hell is going on here. They've already just already. They've already back, Ari. So here, here's the thing I will say on the way out of here, Andy. As a beatwriter, I got asked the question, what conference would you want to cover the most? And I said Mountain West. Just because the road trips would have been incredible.

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, beautiful conference in America. And they're still gonna be, because they're still gonna have Laramie, Wyoming. You're still gonna get to go to Reno. I love Reno. You get to go to El Paso. You get to go to Hawaii. Big bubble craps guy. Big bubble craps guy.

Albuquerque. Those people who sit in front of the craps machines that were the thing that dice just boom, boom. Oh yeah, those pops. That's me. I could say, I legitimately could sit there I'm not sure if I'm the most people who sit in front of the craps machines that were the thing that dice just boom, boom. Oh yeah, it's pops. That's me. I could say I legitimately could sit there for 24 hours straight without being like I'm just

locked in on it. I want to go play tomorrow night with my brother. I'll see you at the talking stick tomorrow night around midnight. Maybe Charles Barkley will be there. The only time I've ever been there. He was there. So yeah. Yeah. Well,

thanks so much, man. That was fun. Good show. That was fun. All right, we got even more for my trip to Orlando on tomorrow's show Ben Howe Miller a principal designer of EA College football 26 Joins the show He's a fun one. We actually went to high school

15 miles apart at the same time. Both learned that we were not division one offensive tackles at about the same time as well. So Ben will join us and you're not gonna find a bigger college football fan than him and you realize that the game is in very good hands. So we'll talk to you tomorrow.