Andy & Ari On3 - Coach O talks his next job, Lane Kiffin, and going shirtless | Auburn at Arkansas, Texas at Mississippi State, Michigan at Michigan State

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

It's a Megaboard Wednesday episode, but first we have a very special guest in Ed Orgeron. As Coach O has been living in Miami as of late, the former LSU and USC head coach is looking to get back into college football. Where would Coach O go? Watch here as Andy & Ari are joined by the national championship winning head coach. (0:00) On Today's Episode(1:26) BetMGM(3:35) Intro: Previewing Coach O(5:40) Coach Orgeron joins the show(10:39) The talent on the 2019 LSU Team(16:00) Coach O Getting back in the game(20:53) Closing with Coach O: Rules for life(24:52) Where would Coach O go?(31:35) PaniniAmerica.net(35:54) Megaboard Wednesday: Auburn at Arkansas(48:25) Modelo(49:25) Michigan's CFP hunt(59:19) Steve Sarkisian and playcalling at Texas(1:05:39) Conclusion: Dear Andy & Ari tomorrow! Submit your Dear Andy & Ari Questions to:[e-mail]@on3.com   Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. This show is also sponsored by Modelo! Some things in life are just made for each other. Peanut Butter and jelly. Macaroni andcheese. Modelo and college football. If you’re watching this, it means you live and breathe football. All season long. You know what that makes you? A Full-Time Fan. Which means you deserve a Modelo. Because football wouldn’t be the same without you. Modelo is the official beer sponsor of The College Football Playoff. We’re also brought to you by Panini! Panini delivers the most collectible sports cards and memorabilia on the planet. Check out the new exclusive Arch Manning collection or the Panini Prizm Draft Picks College Football series. Visit PaniniAmerica.net to start your collection today. Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/x9_EMefanGU Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's episode of Andy and Ari on 3 presented by BetMGM, a very special guest. That's right. Coach-o, Ed Orgeron, joins the show to talk about living that buyout life in South Beach and how he plans to give up that buyout life to get back into coaching. We'll talk about where he would like to land, what kind of job he wants, and what he's been up to. Because what a life Ed Orgeron has been living. Lots of shirtless working out. It's amazing. Plus, it is a megaboard Wednesday.

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Ed Orgeron joins the show Ari, and this was an incredibly fun conversation with one of the national treasures of college football. New rule for us moving forward. If somebody asks us, especially with somebody with the personality of Coach O, before we start the interview, if we're recording yet, we tell them no and start recording.

Because I wish that we would have, because he wouldn't have cared. No, now he would have cared. He asked us if we were recording because he didn't want to, like, ruin our recording, not because he was trying to. Yeah, he didn't want to mess up our shot. what he was doing, so he's getting up off his couch and showing us his view from his condo

in South Beach, which, what of you? Holy crap, what have you? Yeah, he was pointing across the way. I think Jay Lo lives over there and I'm like, what a life you live, man. And we'll talk about that a little bit more in the interview, but let me say, you know, obviously it's always great to have somebody on the show who has won a national title in the recent past. We've had Davo Sweeney on the show um i don't know who else i can't remember but you had ryan day before he went on the show yeah and then he ended up winning one after but you know the thing that i like about coach o is that like there isn't a human being who likes college football who dislikes him i don't even know if alabama fans dislike this guy like he's really hard think they do anymore no um you know

and i think that's the kind of the feature of of who he is he's truly a genuine guy who loves football and you know all the stories that you hear about them are probably true in a good way so you know this is he he wants back in and we're going to talk to him about that we're going to ask him what is he looking for in a job i think you're going to be surprised at what he says he's looking for i'm going to leave it at that and let's throw it to coach oh on south beach we are honored to be joined by a man with the most beautiful view in America probably Ed Orgeron from South Beach how we doing coach doing great guys great to be on your show man I'm glad you enjoyed the view yeah so you know it's my life goal to have a view like that one day

so maybe after the show you can teach me how to do it all right so before we start recording coach showed us what what he's looking at out out his window uh J-Lo lives across the street. I'm sure every other major star lives somewhere across the street but you can see Hard Rock Stadium from there. I know your sons your twins are on the Miami staff. Like how often are you

over there? I go every Tuesday. Okay. Yeah, I go every Tuesday to practice and then I go to every home game. Hmm. What have you seen out of that? Because, you know, obviously they just lost, but that's been a great

program all this year. What have you seen from them? You know, I've been here for four years with Mario. And he's been a great job. I hired my young son, Cody. And then he hired my other twin boy in Parker. So I've been involved with the program, you know, talk to the defensive line coaches. But I've seen him increase the talent level immensely in the last four years. When he came here, it didn't look like the Miami Hurricanes.

Now it looks like the Miami Hurricanes. He's a tireless worker, a great recruiter, and he does have a great team. You know, Andy started this by going into football, and I want to get back to football. But do you think that J-Lo ever tells people in, like, points at your building and says, Coach O lives in there?

Hey, I'll tell you what. Maybe she don't know I live there, but once she met me, I guarantee she'd tell them. Well, that's what you, every time I hear you interviewed, you're like, I just got a workout in. And so you're running. running down that boardwalk, because they got the guys that are just lifting weights out there in South Beach.

Do you ever just stop and show them what to do? Well, you know, I go up there. I go to Muscle Beach. I take my shirt off. I take my shoes off. You know, I do my deadlifts. I do my girls. It's like a prison yard.

You know what I mean? You go in the end. And you win everybody out in the yard. You're out in the sun. It's fun. What are we deadlifting these days, Coach? Not what I used to, I promise you. Light and a lot of reps.

I know, but this guy jacked shirt off. That's how you get the ladies, man. Like, that's a good life you got, you know, cooking up over there, coach. I love it. I actually love it. I've always loved being the sun in the beach, and it's been wonderful. I've been here for four years. I've enjoyed it.

Speaking of shirtless, Coach, Joe, I know in the past, I don't know if this is still a thing when you get back in the game, But I know in the past, when you've been around a new team, you have in the locker room as a way of introducing yourself, ripped your shirt off and said, anybody wants some, come get some. Has anybody ever taken you up on that offer? No. I think it's out of respect. Now I think I'm 64 years old. If I think on my shirt and ask somebody's young guys, they think anybody wants, I think I better watch out.

I need to get a young Ed Osirot to do that. Well, speaking of coaches with their shirts off, did you see Lane Kippen's hot yoga photo? And what did you think of it? Yeah, I saw my boy. He looks good. He's been working out. I'm proud of him.

He's doing a great job. I didn't know if, like, the hot yoga thing is just, like, not your speed. I'm not doing hot yoga. No way. But look at him, he's happy. You know, when we first met Lane and, you know, we were working, and guys would go get a workout. He's staying and watch film.

are you going to work on the muscles? Why don't you work? Why does you work on these plays? And now, now, but, but he's good enough to do it. Now he's doing hot Pilates or hot yoga. Who would have a thought? You know what I mean? So when we saw, we visited Lane in Oxford a few years ago, and he said he thought

the biggest mistake he made in his coaching career was leaving Tennessee. Now, you were with him at Tennessee. I want you to imagine what, what it had been like had y'all stayed at Tennessee, for a few more you. What would that have been like? We don't want the SEC East for sure. He was doing a great job. We were bringing players in there.

They loved them. And look, I love Knoxville. And what a football town. What a great stadium. And the recruiting that we were doing and the staff that he had was phenomenal. Now, it would have been like the Wild Wild West now. There was a lot of things going on.

But look, Lane is a great coach and I'm glad he's doing well. Man, I'd love to hear a few of those stories. It was fun. Coach, you put together, you assembled one of the deepest, most talented rosters, I think maybe in college football history in 2019. When you go down to Miami, when you watch ball at other places, see it on TV or whatever, are there any teams anymore that,

could even come close to what you guys put on the field in 2019? You know, there's some great teams out there, but that team that we had, I haven't seen the talent, especially, you know, you look at Joe Burrow, you look at Jamar Chase, you look at Justin Jefferson, and see what they're doing in the NFL. Now, obviously, there was one or two players that could have played with us

or been stars on our team, but overall that collection of talent now the 2001 miami team it was a great team with a great collection of talent i think you got to mention them they always talk about who's the best team i say hey you got to win it on the field and never be done but i'm i think those guys were tremendous so i my son's offensive line coach played at marshal but early in his recruitment he made the the cc rounds and did all the camps and his best advice for my kid was was don't go to LSU's camp because they make you run too much. They make you run more than I've ever run in my life.

And that was your camp. So tell me about your camp when you've got Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Clyde Edwards Aller, Patrick Queen coming through camp as high school. Yeah, we wanted to find out about them. They had to come to camp, compete with the very best. Hey, we go on one-on-one. It's Jamar Chase versus Derek Stangley. You know what I mean?

I mean, they're there. Hey, and we're going after it. I wanted to find out about those guys how much, how willing they are to compete to be the very best. And you know what? They loved it. I mean, those guys had it in them. They had that dog in them. Now, some guys came to camp and said, hey, man, this ain't for me.

And, you know, and that was a gift because, you know, you got to be physical. You got to be tough playing in the SEC. And I want to set that mindset. Coach, obviously you're aware of what's, going on in the sport. Do you have any advice for Brian Kelly, who's going through a tough time right now? Yeah, no, take it one game at a time. I understand the pressure at LSU. The best thing you can do is block out the noise, and I think he is, block out the noise, and go beat Texas A&M, and take it one game at a time. But you know what? We never mentioned the national

championship. We never said, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. All we ever did was talking about. Telescute Monday, competition, Tuesday, turnover Wednesday, no repeat Thursday, focus Friday, and compete on Saturday. And we took it one day at a time. When we went 15 and 0,

we didn't mention anything, but getting better as a team. So how do you block out that noise? Because you had it too. I mean, I remember after y'all lost Troy, people went crazy. How do you, as a guy, the head coach of LSU in Baton Rouge after a loss like that.

How do you deal with that? Yeah, no radio on the way to work. No internet, nothing. Focus in on the task at hand. Now, I had my good buddy, Derek Panaskin, who's in the media. I said, Derek, I want you to look at it. If there's something that I need to know, tell me. You know, I had coaches that would come in and say, hey, you know,

I heard all this negative in the radio. I said, hey, look, man, don't bring that. this office. We're going to be a great team. I'm not believing none of that. And I used to tell the team, good, bad, and different. You've got to block out the noise. Now, I used to call it the Twitter machine. I get your butt off that darn Twitter machine tonight and study your plays. But you know what? I think that when you come to work and you make work demanding and you make it fun and they want to be together, they block out all that stuff. I just have no idea what it would be like to walk off the field after losing to Troy

and stay motivated, not motivated, that's not the right word, but stay locked in and to not allow that pressure to crack you. Like, what is that emotion like as the clock tick zero when you're walking from the field to the tunnel to the postgame news conference? You know, I'm going to tell you something that I'm a little bit different. That's what I operated best. Man, there is something that clicks into me. I like to fight, man.

And when my back's against the wall, I got a motor. I want to compete. I get pissed off inside at myself, pissed off at everybody. And I use it as motivation. And I use it as a challenge. You know, all my life, people told me I couldn't do this. I couldn't do that.

And, you know, as you guys know, you can mouth off. But you know what I said? I'm not going to say a damn word. I'm going to show it. And I use it as internal motivation. So I know I've seen photos of you at Miami's practice. I've seen video view at your friend Mickey Joseph's practice at Grambling. You're starting to miss it.

Ari asked you a question. When you were showing us the view, Ari said, how in the world is coaching football better than that view? But I've got to ask you. It sounds like you're ready to get back. No question. You're going to give up the view. And you can look at that for four years.

It's like a mural. But you know what? It's a competition. You know, I watch all the game. Look, I get up in the morning. I watch college game day. I love it. I think they do a great job.

I like fat, man. Hey, I just love the intensity. I love the fun. And then I watch football all day on Saturday. And you know what? The game needs a little bit toughness. They need some leadership. And I know I can bring that.

what are you going to do with that place when you get a job well i'm leasing it so it comes up december 1st okay well oh so you're you're on a staff in december that's right well i got my home in louisiana so i'm doing something and uh so go ahead every damn ad in america is looking for a football coach right now so what are you looking for what are you looking for in a job What are you looking for in your next challenge? You know, for me, I want somebody, I want a fit. You know what I mean? I'm not going to take anything and not anybody's going to take me.

You know, it may be a head coach job. It may be a defense-aligned job with someone that I believe they can win a championship. You know, I just think that, you know, when I do interview, if I interview, I want them to want me as much as I want them. I'm a championship coach and I'm going to bring a winning program to their university.

I can recruit, I can do those things. I've proven to do it. I'm young, man. I'm 64 years young. I'm ready to go. But I also want to have a great working relationship

with whoever I'm working with and give us the opportunity to win. So you were the head coach of a national championship team. I don't know if there's any other head coach of a national championship because there are other dudes with rings that are looking for jobs right now. I don't know that any of them are willing to be a D-Line coach.

But how important is it to you just to be in the right spot? Yeah. And that's what it is. And it all depends, you know, if I haven't got offered by anything yet, I'm just going to weigh out the thing. But you know what? You know, being a D-Line coach at Miami, being a D-L-LSU at USC, I loved it.

And I knew I could, hey, we won championships wherever we've been. And as opposed to being at a place, being a head coach, and you don't have the facility, you don't have enough to win, I don't know if I'm ready to do that instead of being at a place where you can't win. Andy, I think you texted Coach O this, but did you ever tell him about your interim idea, where he could be the, like,

no, I told his agent this. Okay, so, Coach, this is my idea for you as a business plan over the next. Now, your D-Line coach idea might not work here. So when a school fires a coach, say, early in the season, let's say in September, they hire you. They pay you a flat fee. You're going to be the interim coach for the rest of the year. You're going to win some games that you're not supposed to win, and you get them right. You get everybody right.

And then you're going to move on. The next year, somebody else is going to call. It's like calling from the bullpen. Coach Joe, hit the old-line interim coach and in the off-season and in the winter, when you're done fixing wherever you went, you get to return to Miami and go to Muscle Beach and take your shirt off, and you get one to you, and then you get called up like the bat signal every fall when somebody needs you. Hey, I'm for it, man. Thank you, guys. Hey, talk to my agent Derek, man. Hey, that's a great idea.

I did tell him that. He's like, no, coach will never go for that. I don't know. It sounds good. Listen, when you brought cookies back at USC, I knew. I knew this man is going to be a great head coach. You know what? The players, it's about the players.

Two things that got to happen to me in order to have success. Number one, the players have to know you love them and you don't care about it. Number two, the player has to know that you have the knowledge to get him and the program to get him to where he wants to go. Once you have that, you're off to the races. All right, Coach. This is how we end every interview with a new guest, and I cannot wait to hear yours. This is, I've been waiting for this my whole life.

What is your rule for life? Go hard. Go hard. Give it everything you got. Stay true to the man that you are. Stay true to the man that you are. I don't care if your behind falls off. Big chest.

big guys who you are i don't know if you guys notice i'm a giver man i am a i love my family i love my boys i love my wife and i love my teammates and i'm here to make them better it was never about me or the championship was never about me it was about the players one team one heartbeat but you know what i was going to give it every darn thing i had every day i love it i'm going to tattoo. I might tattoo that on my back, Ari. Well, I don't know if you ever get to a point in life where you can exist on what floor are you on? If you don't want to. I'm on the 37th floor, baby.

If you were ever to do a point in life where you can be on the 37th floor in a South Beach building with a beautiful view of the ocean and hard rock stadium, who needs the coach, really? Like, it's not, you know, this man needs to coach. Hey, but you know, hey, you say that, you know, I was raised in a $25 month rental home. But I was raised rich in that home. You know, you asked me about Coco.

They gave me all the tools to be successful. I never dreamed that I'd be living in a place like this. But it's because of the way they raised me and because of the toughness that they brought to me, I can do this stuff. One of my favorite days on this job was when I got to go meet Miss Coco, which is Coach O's mom. and she made me gumbo and I ate about three bowls of gumbo and it was amazing but hearing the stories about him growing up about you trying to play football in a cast and then you coming home from LSU and your dad telling you to dig when you were on the crew but the best one I heard so everybody remembers the Hummer commercial from when you were at Ole Miss you gave Miss Coco the Hummer the Hummer yeah what did that look like but her driving that big old Hummer hey Hey, she loved it, man. Look, the acorn didn't fall far from the tree now. Guys, like, hey, I got to tell you all this story, man.

We're playing the state championship, okay? At South LaFouche, Bobby Haybar, our quarterback, Tommy Wilcox is the quarterback for bottom of them. And, you know, when you wake up in the morning, you smell breakfast. And, you know, it's usually sausage, you know, grits and eggs, you know, whatever it may be. But I woke up in the morning, I said, man, that smells like fries shrimp. I must be dreaming. I went back to bed and then I heard

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, open up the door. I opened up the door. My mother had my football helmet on. Okay? She had a football helmet on, strapped up. Let's go, boy.

And she had, look, in her hand, in her hand, she had a strip poor boy with some Prince Frats. And the other hand, she had some pom-poms. We got away. tonight. Let's go. You got to eat good. And she sat down there and talked to me at the table

with my football helmet on. That is amazing. And I can imagine. And so that's where you learn to get the one heartbeat drum out in the morning. Right. One thing. Oh, yeah. Acorn did fall far from the tree, baby. Cojo, thank you so much. Enjoy that view. I know you're going to be back on a field very soon. We can't wait to see it. you guys. You got a great show. Thanks for having me on the show, man. Appreciate you guys. Enjoy that view for the next few months. Good to have you. I will. Ari, that is Coach O. He'd be your defensive line coach. Can I spin a hypothetical for you?

Sure. Let's hear it. So, like, Larry Johnson, the all-time great D-line coach at Ohio. So he's 73 years old. Like, he's going to retire at some point. What if he decided to retire this winter? How unfair would it be if Ohio State landed Ed Orgeron as the D-Line coach? Yeah, well, it's funny that you bring up Larry Johnson because over the course of the past few years, half the fanby says wanted Larry Johnson to retire. I don't know if they're there anymore

because they won the national title. And their D-Line is falling out. But, yeah, that would be something. You know, the thing that I always question with somebody like that is that can a person with a personality that large and a resume of accomplishments that vast exist in a somewhat anonymous or somewhat veiled position on the staff?

You don't bring him in to be anonymous. You bring him in to be an ace recruiter, to be a D-Line coach, to be a sounding board, to be a tone setter. So, you know, maybe not there where the culture is pretty much already set. But what about whoever gets hired at Penn State, whoever gets hired at Florida? Would you not consider this? And I'm a big believer, and it's interesting because watching what's happened at Florida,

Billy Napier was not a person who wanted like that veteran sounding board, that person who's been there, who's been to the top of the mountain who can tell them, hey, this might not be a great idea, you might want to try this. But there are coaches who are very secure in who they are and they are willing to talk, you know, willing to take advice and willing to have somebody on their staff who might have some accomplishments that might be intimidating. and I wonder if whoever gets the job at Florida, whoever gets the job at Penn State, would they be willing to hire someone like an Ed Orgeron

who could probably give you some very good advice as you attempt to win national titles? Yeah. Do you think he could, he will be considered or he is in a position to be a head coach again? I do. I mean, there are only two active head coaches who've won a national title. now obviously coach o's trying to get back in and jimbo fisher's trying to get back in so that

maybe 40 i think is there a third who am i missing dabbo kirby and ryan day that's right that's three three yeah dabbo kirby ryan day so yeah it would be five if you get jimbo back in and ed ors ron back in and i don't know if jimbo because jimbo i think is not like i don't think jimbo is going to come in and be your o c i think jimbo wants to be your head coach Is Jimbo going to be a head coach next year? I don't know, but he wants to be. He's sure trying to be. So Coach O is going to be a coach somewhere next year.

I don't know where or what in what capacity, but I do think he could be a head coach. You know, you heard him say in our interview that he probably doesn't want to go where there's not a ton of resources. So I think that probably tells you he's not looking for like an FCS job. He's not looking for a group of five type job, maybe a good group of five type job. Like if let's say John Somerall leaves Tulane, that's probably something he'd want.

Memphis, if Ryan Silverfield leaves, that that's probably something that he might be interested in. But, well, you know, we've talked a lot, Andy, over the course of the past few weeks about hot seat and openings and hiring practices. Our entire show yesterday was about under appreciated candidates. And like the one thing that I've gone on record to say is that I think that retread hires are a mistake. but coach oh won a national title and was finished so quickly after winning it that like i don't know if that is a retread yeah it deteriorate it's a strange situation like they had an ad change the ad that came in was very active in helping them helping them hire coordinators and things sort of fell off really quickly after that so i do wonder if ed o's ron had somebody

who just kind of lets him cook. Is he in a better spot? Do we get the version of Ed Orsron that we saw from 2016 through 2019? And I don't know how you want to categorize the assembly of the talent that they put together. Assembly, I'm so redundant, it's annoying, the assembly of the roster under his leadership in 2019, but he was the head coach that put together one of the single most talented rosters in the history of college football. And if Joe Burrow going from solid, you know, speculative asset to the most valuable quarterback that's ever played the game, one of the three most, you know, obviously you have to take that into account.

You want to give him credit or not credit. I don't know. But anybody who put together a roster that good probably deserves a look from somebody, right? I would think so. And I think he'd be more adaptable to the NIL era than a lot of these coaches. And it's interesting because we haven't gotten to see him. really in the NIL era, but I think he's a lot less precious about all that other stuff. Like he wouldn't come in like Brian Kelly did and be like, we're going to try to pay everybody

equally, which is what they did initially at LSU and then very quickly realize that's not going to work. I don't think Orsoran would make that mistake. Yeah. And the one thing that I think that goes without saying with him, if you couldn't tell from the interview, it's kind of hard to imagine him. sitting in a living room or having a family in his office and you not coming away liking him, which I think is an important thing when it comes to this.

Right, because there is money involved in recruiting now, but we've talked about this several times. Like with, let's say you're being recruited by Ohio State and Oregon and Georgia, what they offer you is probably going to be pretty similar financially. How do you differentiate? How do you decide? Well, it's probably relationships. It's probably who you like to play for more.

So I do think that still provides an advantage. It might not be as big of an advantage as it used to be, but I think it still provides some advantage. And so that works whether he's the head coach or the associate head coach recruiting coordinator, D-line coach, however you want to pitch it. Yeah. He can help you in that way.

So I'm fascinated to see where he winds up. I don't know where it's going to be. be, but it's going to be fun to watch where he goes. All right. We got to get into the megaboard, though. It's Megaboard Wednesday, and the boards are popping. Obviously, there are job openings everywhere. There are potential job openings.

One game that we're going to talk about that could force another job opening. But before we do that, I do want to talk a little bit about Panini, our friends at Panini, America, the most collectible sports cards on the planet. Visit Panini, America.comnet to start your collection. I was going through, I thought, a couple autographs that I've pulled out of packs recently that I feel really good about. And so these are rookie autographs from the luminance collection that they're both numbered to 700. Tyler Warren, former Penn State tight-in, currently the best, is he the best player

on the Colts? These are not the best player. He's one of the best. It's funny you bring up the Colts because I'm going to show off some cards and then we can have that debate when I show mine. Okay. And then also Mason Grant. who's having a good rookie season with the Browns. This is another autograph from the Luminants collection that is numbered. That was, I had almost forgotten that I had those, and I was looking through the stacks of them, and I thought, oh, my God, these guys are really showing up as rookies.

Andy, that's the joy of collecting cards sometimes. Like, I wish I could, like, show you the camera. You know what? I'm going to do it real quick. Okay, all right. Can you? Look at all those stacks. I just have stacks of cards everywhere in my office.

And sometimes I go through them just like right now. And I'm like, oh, I forgot I had this card. Like, for instance, this, I've got some, you know, I gambled big on Justin Fields and lost, I think. I think that the cat's out of that. Yeah, I think the jury's in on that one. This card is a 2021 Donorous Optic Blue Ice to 15. If Justin Fields was like Joe Burrow, that card might be worth like $40,000. he's not let me give you a rookie let me give you a rookie card pinini select prism pukunakua rookie

number to 10 yeah number to 10 you know you have this like shoebox of cards you pulled from the product they've sent you underneath your and you don't even know what you have in there it's incredible um here's a 2024 deca bow nix uh red that's a PSA 9 that's a pretty 33 points in the fourth quarter yeah 33 points the Broncos scored the fourth quarter if we covered the NFL we would have talked about that game for a long time. This is the same variance, new year as the Justin Fields card. This is Trey Tucker out of Cincinnati. I thought that he had a chance to have a really good year.

I think he's doing okay, but he was very cheap, and I took a bet on him. That's a pretty big card if he ever turns out to be great. Quentin Johnston, cracked ice. Contenders on a round. He's scoring every week. Not dropping the ball anymore. Yep. This one is a monster now.

2023 contenders cracked ice Jackson Smith and Jigba autograph That card is probably a four-figure card And then this one to get to the Colts debate Who's the best player on the Colts? 2019 Select Dragon Scale Prism Danny Dimes Number to 88

When he signed with the Colts this offseason Andy I bought a ton of his stuff because it was cheap as hell. People had given up on him, and I knew that he was going to start eventually. Like, I didn't know if it was going to come out out of the gate. It's paid off.

I've got to throw some of these up on eBay because I don't know if he's going to be a pro bowler for the next five years. I'm going to keep a few of them, but I'm going to try to take a profit on some of these. So, yeah, cards are fun. They're collectible. They're stocks.

However you want to put them, it's amazing, and it's the most amazing hobby that an adult male should have or female. Anybody should get into it. That's right. And the video you're seeing now, Panini now has a deal with the South Florida Express. So that is a seven-on-seven team in South Florida that some of the best players in the country come through there. Jeremiah Smith was on that team. When I rode the bus with them in 2010, Teddy Bridgewater and Ryan Chazier were both on the team.

It is phenomenal. Panini getting on the ground floor with some of the best players. So Paniniamerica.net to start your collection, Ari, let us visit the megaborge. We will start with the corner on Auburnsports.com. Justin Hockinson, excellent reporter at Auburnsports.com, posted this earlier in the week, what I'm hearing on Hugh Fries's job status. And basically, it's a breakdown of where Auburn is right now as Auburn goes into the Arkansas game. Auburn is playing at Arkansas. We picked that game on Monday, Ari, and when we picked it, Auburn was a slight favorite. The line has since flipped.

I'm not surprised by this at all. Arkansas is now one point favorite in this game. Bobby Petrino has been close in his first two games as the Arkansas interim coach. Auburn keeps finding ways to lose. Ari, if Bobby Petrino breaks through, I'm going to put you in the shoes of Auburn Athletic Director John Cohen. If Bobby Petrino breaks through and beats you freeze in this game, what do you do? How do you handle it? it's a blanket statement but it's true Arkansas should not be better than Auburn right now period right because Arkansas has already fired their coach the defense was horrible for a lot of the year offense has been good most of the year but but no this Arkansas team should not be better than this Auburn team under any circumstances I struggle a ton with Hugh Freeze because I respect what he took over I respect the undertaking that it was we are too

far into it now for them to be allergic to winning the way that they are like the thing that is so clear to me is that the roster is better and he has brought in some really exciting players and that Auburn isn't a punching bag in the SEC that it was maybe four years ago so you get credit for that but the thing that is the most difficult part now is once you do that that's only a third of the job the other 66% of the job is using that talent to win games and I don't know why they're not winning games. So, you know, you hear a coach saying, he used to be a pretty good game day coach.

I don't know what happened. Yeah. I thought the whole point of Hugh Freeze was he's a great game day coach. He draws up great offense. If you would have told me that this at this tenure or at this point in his tenure, that their problem would be scoring, I would have been like, what? Like, what do we, when you think about like the heights of his career, what do you think about?

You think about the Ole Miss teams that beat Bam. right yeah i also think about turning bow wallace into a serviceable sce quarterback getting the most out of chad kelly getting the most out of malic willis at liberty i didn't see i haven't seen any of that at auburn and i don't understand why so if you make me athletic like i don't know what there is to gain um by firing him like on sunday day opposed to maybe three weeks from now if you you know i don't know but the one thing i do know is there probably is something to gain by firing him by the end of november because this is going

to be a highly competitive job opening market and you might want to get a jump on that so if you come to the decision that he is not your guy like i don't know if there's any advantage to waiting at this point unless the the buyout gets incrementally smaller but not enough it won't matter on a week-to-week basis where it's going to change or dramatically change your output of financial commitment to him and his buyouts affordable. So don't you want to get in on the, you know, sweepstakes of who the next guy is with all these openings coming up? Is there an advantage to being on the market sooner in that regard?

I don't know if there's any advantage to be on the market sooner. I do know that Auburn's in an interesting situation because what side of the ball has been consistent at Auburn? The defense. Who runs the defense? Who runs the defense? DJ Durkin. DJ Durkin's probably your interim coach.

You said before the show a comment about DJ Durkin, and it made me laugh because it's probably going to happen. DJ Durkin is probably going to win with this team. I'm just telling that right now. DJ Durkin, the head coach, probably wins with this team. Andy. I don't know. So where are we at in the DJ Durkin redemption arc?

Like, is he somebody that's important? I think there are some people that'll never let him coach again. I look at this from a very different perspective. So for those who don't remember, when DJ Dorker was at Maryland, one of his players passed away following a workout in the off season. And DJ Durkin was blamed a lot for that. Having been through something similar as an athlete, so for those who don't know, I've told this story before, when I was a high school wrestler, my senior year, one of our teammates

collapsed and died at practice. And I remember everything that happened. I was there for all of it. I saw it happen. And it was awful. It was traumatic. But never once did we blame our coach for it. And just having been our.

around that and then having covered it in some situations because like when i was covering florida steve spurier's staff had a situation like that with a player who died in after an offseason workout so i don't i just don't pin all that on dj durkin i'm just i'm not there and so i don't think it should preclude him from ever getting a head coaching job again now there were some things about the culture in that maryland program that you're going to ask him questions about if you're looking at him as your permanent head coach. But I don't know, I don't know that you just automatically ban him from ever being a head coach again. Yeah, well, he lost his job because of it. And I think that part of the reason he lost his job were some of the culture things that you were insinuating. And I think

that the thought process was that the culture things lent a higher likelihood of something like that happening. But was he ever found culpable in court or anything for that death? And if not, I don't know if I think I agree with you on that but like also too from a legality standpoint and you know you have like you know who's liable so Jordan McNair's family did settle a lawsuit with the University of Maryland yeah but and his Jordan McNair's father was one of the people who was upset when Durkin got re because they were going to reinstate Durkan after everything so that's the but here here here That was the upshot of that. And like I didn't mean to bring down the tenor of the show into something. Yeah, no, but it's interesting and it's something we probably need to talk about because if he gets the job, then again, he was a pretty good head coach at Maryland. He's been a very good defensive coordinator at Texas A&M and in Auburn.

I suspect if this happens, if you freeze gets fired and DJ Dorkin takes over, I suspect that some of those games that are close might go the other way. And if you are willing to put him in place as the interim coach, that you've already broken the seal on willing to oversee a program. So like that, that will be an interesting thing to watch. Now, it'll be super interesting to get back to football here for a second, is that like we know their defense is good. Their defense shows up every week.

If they start scoring and they turn it around without Hugh Freeze, then you had a Hugh Freeze problem. You know, and I don't know if we're there yet. I don't know if you think. And Hugh Freeze did mention, by the way, after the game, after the Missouri game, that he's open to the idea of a different quarterback, which I think would be Ashton Daniels, the Stanford transfer. You know, do they have Deuce Knight, the freshman as well,

who was the, you know, five-star, four-star, high-four-star recruit from Mississippi, who was originally committed to Notre Dame, and they flipped him. But it sounds like Ashton Daniels would be who they'd go to if they made a change. Yeah. And if we're back in the quarterback, roulette game than their season's tough i mean maybe it already is i don't know but if you were told me before the season that we would be doing we'd have this conversation on october 22nd about should they bench their quarterback i would know exactly where we were you know and it's interesting

because you know we're having this hypothetical interim conversation about dj durkin who's still the defensive coordinator and he frees is still there bobby petrino is the actual interim and arkansas has played better under shades petrino we're calling him that because he's wearing sunglasses for the entirety of the games now. They have played better. Three point loss at Tennessee, three point loss to Texas A&M. There's still

losses, but they have been improved. The defense is not the sieve it was earlier in the season. So, if they can beat Auburn, that bolsters Bobby Petrino's case to get

this job permanently. And I know he has some support. Yeah. This would be a pretty big. I would say that this was probably the biggest game of the Petrino experiment because you're playing a team that you're supposed, like that, you know, Vegas thinks you're supposed to be, whether it be by one or by five or by eight. But it has a more talented roster. There has a more probably. So I think it's probably a better litmus test of your ability as a coach if you can get your team over the hump. um when you're supposed to win like i always feel like it's unfair and i think part of the reason why he's in this position like yes you pointed out is that it's going to be unfair but it's like if they put him in the most difficult position possible like if you're going to get the job you're going to have to truly earn it yeah well i mean like i'm looking at their schedule now and it's like the only way that you get the job is if you beat tennessee on the road or if you beat texasana and i'm on the road it's like putting me in a race and saying if you don't win the marathon you're fired Like, it's like, I mean, I can't, I think that this game would be a good measuring stick of his, of his ability. So, I don't know how.

And if they can win this game, you look at the rest of the schedule. So Mississippi State at LSU, at Texas, Missouri. If you can win this game, this is a game, this is a team that just took Missouri to overtime. We've seen Texas. We've seen LSU. Mississippi State still hasn't won an SEC game under Jeff Levy. If you can win this game, you can win the other ones too. Yeah, and we said that 500 might give him a real shot to get this thing, right?

Yeah. Is he 0 and 2 now? He's 0 and 2 right now. So if you go, you had to go. If he beats Auburn, they should be able to beat Mississippi State. No games again, but no games impossible. And then I think it's possible that they go 1 and 2 in that final stretch, and they pop up and beat somebody at the end.

LSU, Texas. And who's the last one? Missouri. Missouri. Like, they could go 1 and 2, right? Like, they could show surprise. somebody. I think they could. Like I said, if you can beat Auburn here, I do think all five of the remaining games, excuse me, all four of the remaining games are winnable for you. I'm not saying

you're going to win them all. I'm just saying they are winnable. And so everything about this Auburn Arkansas game is interesting. Every, every facet of it is interesting. And that's, you know, That's sort of how things work when you get into coaching carousel season where one play here or there might decide when somebody pulls the trigger and when they don't. Because with Auburn, I think you could wait out the season on heat freeze. I don't think that really changes much. But it may be like if they go in there and Arkansas wins convincingly, then that's maybe enough to push them over the edge. or maybe Auburn goes in there and finally puts everything together and they win a game and maybe that answers the question about Petrino for Arkansas.

Maybe they get their answer. But I think it's going to answer some questions this week and I cannot wait to watch. All right, let us move to another thread on the megaboard. But before that, let's tell everybody about Modelo. the official beer of college football season. Grab yourself from Modelo. Stay game day ready all season long. Medello is a partner also with the University of Michigan,

and the Michigan fans have been cracking Modellos since that Washington game because they looked as good as they've looked all season. Now they're going into a game in this Michigan State. That's who we're going to talk about next. We're going to talk about Michigan and the Michigan State game relative to the playoff hunt. But I would say, pop a nice cold medello for this conversation. It'll help mellow you out. And who knows, maybe some more medella is getting cracked for a rivalry win this weekend for the Michigan Wolverines.

They're certainly favored. They're favored by two touchdowns going in. So, Ari, let us go to the Wolverine, our excellent Michigan site. The Megaboard thread in question. This is from True Blue Fanatic. Does Michigan winning out guarantee a college football playoff spot? And this is what true blue fanatic writes. Michigan would be 10 and 2 with a win over, most likely number one, Ohio State.

But wouldn't that mean the Big 10 would have to get four into the CFP for that's to happen? And is that a sure thing. It would need to be, this is what this person says, Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon, and Michigan, and then came back and edited so they left out USC, which complicates things even more, which is true. If USC were to win out, then USC would be 10 and 2 would have the head-to-head win over Michigan. So would it be cut and dried? Yes. I agree with you too.

Because stuff will happen. Like this nightmare scenario of everybody who's good just wins out completely is not going to happen. If Michigan's 10 and 2, they'll have a win against Ohio State, they would be into the playoff. The USC thing, probably USC loses some other games or USC knocks somebody else out. Like USC has to play Oregon later in the season. If USC's in, it probably means Oregon's out. 10 and 2 with the best win of anybody is in, regardless of other circumstances. Like, I don't think that Michigan would even have to worry about what else happened.

Yeah, and I think the SEC part of it will take care of itself too. you know, I don't think there's going to be five, ten and two teams in the SEC. I think that Michigan's resume at ten and two would be better than any other ten and two team's resume because of that win.

And like, I don't know the committee too. Like, what do you think is more important, beating number 12, nine, and 19, or number two, or number one? Like, I think that you know, the entire point is like, hey, what have you done to show that you can exist in this field and beating the

number one team in the country is the ultimate illustration that you can exist in that field. So, um, you know, if we get to a point where a 10 and two team who finished its regular season with a win over the number one team in the country doesn't get in, then that would mean that there were a lot of really good teams out there. Like, I don't even think it's mathematically possible. I don't even know what the scenario would be, what they wouldn't, what it, would, what it, nine and, no, you're nine and three, Oklahoma. Yeah, I still think Michigan would go over them.

I agree. Yeah. Because, well, actually, no, Oklahoma beat them. So that would be a little trickier. Oklahoma is a funny example, but yeah, that would be tricky. Well, Oklahoma is the only one you've said, and the only one I tend to agree with you, that would even be considered at 9 and 3 just because of the difficulty of their schedule. But then I think in that scenario, someone else would get left out and both would go.

Like, I think 10 and 2, I think for the most part is going to be good enough to get two teams last year that were 10 and 2 got left out? Yeah, yes, Miami and YU. EYU is the other one. Yep. Miami beat the number one team in the country last year. They would have gone. Somebody else would have gone. So let me throw this one at you.

This is an easy argument to me. 10 and 2 Michigan or 10 and 2 Notre Dame? 10 and 2 Michigan all day. Not even a debate. Yeah. The Ohio State win just clears the board on that one. Yeah. I think that, again, we are going to get

Ohio State fans by, by the way, going insane with us assuming this. But it's a good conversation to have. We're not assuming anything. We're reacting to a hypothetical. And I've got to be honest with you. I've looked really stupid a lot the last five years thinking that they weren't going to win that game. So, you know, if Michigan is nine and two and hosting them, that's probably going to be a touchdown spread, right, or 12 points or something.

like it's not going to be anything like it's going to be a much smaller spread than last year's game that Michigan won for sure after what happened last year I'm never going into a Ohio State Michigan game assuming that Michigan can't win ever again um until Ryan day shows that they can win that game I would think that Ohio State would win that game but we didn't even go to last year's game because it was such a laughable thought that they would lose that one so and they did but we had a hell of a time at the Texas Roadhouse and college station watching it we did we certainly did uh yeah no I think if you're a Michigan fan, you control your own destiny to the college football playoff period. I think

so too, but I really like that question because it actually helps because I think people are like, oh, the Big Ten's down. I think Big Ten's not down. Big Ten's fine. Yeah, and also, is it weird to think that the Big Ten would get four teams in? Isn't that kind of an assumption? No, they got four teams in last year.

Yeah. They will get four team kids, probably. Now, first they got to take care of business in East Lansing and Sparty, which I think they will. Because we're not, like, The other day we were doing the picks show, we're having a cover conversation. We're not having a cover conversation here. We're having a, do they win or not? And all right, let me ask you this, since we're doing hypotheticals. If Michigan State were to beat Michigan in this edition of this rivalry game, would it be as shocking as Michigan beating Ohio State last year? No. I think it'd be close. I think last year's Ohio State Michigan game was one of the single most shocking results of my lifetime. I would be incredibly shocked if Michigan State won this game.

Me too. It doesn't come close to how shocked I was a year ago. That's true. I mean, Ohio State was a 20-point favorite in that game. Yeah, and the circumstances of it where it was the entire team last year returned to play that game. Like, it wasn't just like one team's better than the other. Like Ohio State's entire life was about beating Michigan last year. Yeah.

And Michigan couldn't, like, that's the thing, too. Like, I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on Michigan State. I've watched them this year like I have everybody else. Like Michigan State's not very good, but Michigan was inept in moving the football in a certain way. Like they were hamstrung as a team in a way that was, in my opinion, something you could not overcome against a really good team.

Like Michigan State might drop some cool plays or hit, you know, a turnover or something like Ohio State didn't really even turn the ball over in critical situations last year. They just got straight up beaten. Like that they I think it was the spread the circumstance how many in a row Ryan day had lost all the things combined made that shocking it wasn't like 14 point underdogs win in college football every weekend so um would be shocked sure don't think it's going to happen but I'm trying to think like outside of like other monumental like NYU beating Notre Dame and certain things like that that were certainly shocking like the Ohio State Michigan game might have been the most shocking result in the history of that rivalry. well i'm not going to argue with you there yeah i would still be very shocked if michigan state wins this one uh we've had the conversation already about what happens with jonathan smith as this season goes on they need to show some signs of life and you know they it's interesting

because i felt that i was i was cruising the the spartan mag message board earlier this week and the fans were somewhat resigned to everything that's going on and they basically said hey they showed some fight against indiana at least they lost by 25 like imagine just telling somebody that in 2015 like good job you showed some fight and a 25 point lost to indiana or a michigan state colored hoodie uh you know you want to like do scenarios and hypotheticals like i don't think michigan will lose this week You know what game would scare the shit out of me if I were a Michigan fan? What game?

Maryland on the road the week before they play Ohio State. Maryland is plucky enough to get you. And Maryland has had its heartbroken so many times. Like you think you got to feel like Maryland is due for one of these. Yeah. And like Maryland has played competitive ball with, they've lost three in a row now. Heartbreakers for sure. But they they lost by four or less to Washington, Nebraska and UCLA on the road.

Now, that last one, the jury's still out on how embarrassing that will be or how that will age. But Maryland's got to play Indiana coming up November 1st. Then they have Illinois and Michigan left. Like, I would not be. They are good enough to win one of those games. If Michigan comes in, you know, flying high about playoff stuff, because if they are eight and two going into the Maryland game, Andy, they will be in all the college football playoff fields already as projections because they're going to keep right. up the boards, and that's a month away.

If they get caught with their pants down, like, looking ahead, you know, you could lose that game because Maryland's just good enough to beat you. I think Maryland's much better than Michigan State. I would agree with that. So that, yeah, that's the one that should scare them. But I do think if Michigan plays the way they played against Washington, they are going to win every game up to the Ohio State game, and then it comes down to that game. Cannot wait to see how that should.

not talk enough about, dude. Maryland was up 20 to 3 going into the fourth quarter and lost 24 to 20. That's a real kick in an actor. And they were they were right there to beat UCLA and then UCLA comes down the field with Nico who had been injured, came back into the game, and they kick a field goal to win it. Like three weeks in a row, three games in a row, Maryland has just, ah. So they're off this week. They play Indiana next.

Who knows? Maybe it shocked the world there, but we'll see. Next Mega Board. Steve Sarkesian has no plans to give up play calling duties. That's from Inside Texas. That's a story by Evan Beath on Inside Texas. And Steve Sarkoian talked about this week at his press conference and gave his reasoning for it. He said, hey, that's why they hired me. It's what I'm good at.

It's what makes me special, which I've always fun. felt like if you are a good play caller and it is the thing that makes you special, you should call plays. And, you know, we talked a lot about the situation with Billy Napier at Florida, how they wanted him to hire play calling offensive coordinator. But he wasn't good at calling plays. Like his tenure at Florida, over time, he did not have any years where he was really good at calling plays.

Steve Sarkesian has had years at Texas as the head coach where he was not just a good play caller, but sometimes a great play caller, not in the red zone. I don't want to mess with our guy Steve in San Antonio, but he's not a great red zone play caller. I will give you that. But in general, he is a very good play caller. So I find this conversation interesting that the second their offense has some struggles,

it's up, up, got to give it up. Their offensive line stinks. That is a problem. It is hard to call plays when you can't block. Were people mad about him calling plays last year at any point. Only when he called the toss in the Ohio State game. That's it.

I think that there is a Steve Sarkesian discussion and there's also a philosophical discussion of should head coaches call plays. I think those are two very different but also intersect, obviously. Mike Elko calls plays. I know, and the second they lose games, people will want him to not call it.

And my question is, do you believe that Texas is struggling? this year because Steve Sarkesian forgot how to call plays or because it's gotten too much for him. I don't think so. I think that they made a mistake of evaluation when it comes to their younger offensive linemen because they didn't go into the portal

to fill some of the holes they had when they lost really good starters last year. They thought the guys they had were good enough. And this is where I made the mistake in evaluating Texas this year because I said, oh, they didn't go into the portal and this is a program that always goes into the portal when it needs something.

So they clearly don't need it because they know what they're looking for and they didn't they didn't do that. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's the problem. And now, yeah, but that's not a play calling problem. That's a blocking problem. Yeah. But yeah, it's like, you know, you forgot to get your oil changed.

It doesn't mean you don't know how to drive. It means you made a mistake in assembling your car. like that's that's what I that's kind of my takeaway on this and I also feel like the mistake of not bolstering the offensive line has had a dramatic impact on their quarterback and for whatever reason their skill position players aren't making anything easy like their entire offensive ecosystem seems to be off and like the last thing that I think about is the problem is like is Steve Sarkesian calling the right plays and maybe that's just like you know fans will latch on to something and and feel like that's the important thing. I think it's really hard to call really good plays when you can't have your quarterback not get his head knocked off if he stands back there for more than two and a half seconds. Yeah, I just don't know.

Like, there's nothing you can do to fix this right now. And I think that's the frustrating part for Texas fans, definitely the frustrating part for Texas coaches and players. You can't fix this until the offseason. And so this is going to plague you all year. This will probably be your downfall because, Ari, I don't know about you, I think they're going to lose another game and not make the playoff.

So they are going to have to deal with this later. Yeah. And, you know, maybe next year they will go win a national title. I don't know. That's kind of a look-ahead type of scenario because I'm trying to picture like what we're going to say about Texas if they go get two awesome tackles in the portal. And then Arch comes back and Ryan Wingo comes back. Like you'll be able to talk yourself back into a lot of things.

Colin Simmons will still be on the team. So they're going to have pieces next year again. But like their offense is just broken from the front. And like you said, it's not a problem that just goes away. No, it's not a problem that can be solved this season, which sucks when you still have to play Georgia and Texas A&M. But it also sucks when you have to play Mississippi State. Because Mississippi State has not won an SEC game under Jeff Lill,

levy yet and they've been perilously close they should have won at florida last week that was their fault whoever decided to throw whether that was levy calling the play or blake shapen choosing it in an rpo i don't know exactly what happened there but whoever decided to throw that was incredibly stupid don't do that again when when you've got the ball in the closing seconds and all you have to do is kick a field goal to win center the ball and kick the field goal and get out of there winning's hard Winning his learned trait, they got to learn to win. That's the next step. So I do think they can be competitive in this game.

Did you steal that from Kirkley? No. Maybe I did. Maybe it did subconsciously? He said that yesterday. I did show. I know he said. I know he did.

But it is. I don't know if he stole that from you, maybe. I don't know who said it first. He certainly didn't steal it from me. I don't know anything about winning. I don't win like Clark Lee wins. you've got a pretty great life Andy you're you're winning pretty good on your on your own right now it might not we're trying but we're no Clark Lee I got to get that coffee maker he was telling me about you got

to see this is cool in this guy's backyard though guys it's electric but this is this is what happens off the air and Orgeron shows us his view Clark Lee tells us about the coffee maker like we need we need to have more of the we'll just hit record and leave it recording from now on that's that's the way to do it I think that we should they should be recording when they join the studio and then it's our discretion what gets put up yes and we won't embarrass you we promise but when interesting things happen we want to have we want to be there for it so we missed a 10 minute debate with james franklin about hot dog stuff i thought was hilarious like the way he was where he's carrying his laptop through the hallways of the pen state

football facility yeah people want to see we got to show it to yeah yeah no we will uh we will endeavor to make sure you get get that next time because because the view from Cocho's place is unbelievable, just unbelievable. Tomorrow, you drive the show. Dear Andy and dear Ari, get us your questions. I've already got a bunch of really good ones, but I'm always looking for more. Andy Stapleson3 at gmail.com. Ari.com.

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Thanks so much. What a fun day. Coach O is in the house. This just gets better and better. We'll talk to you tomorrow.