Andy & Ari On3 - College Football Playoff Ranking Reaction | How high does Georgia rise? | How far does BYU fall?

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

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Welcome to a special edition of Andy and Ari on three presented by Wendy's. We are going to find out the college football playoff rankings right now. We don't have to wait for the end of a basketball game. We don't have to see if Thomas is going to stop

fouling. Beautiful. It's beautiful. Ari super excited to see what's going to outrage us tonight. As we get these rankings don't know what I'm going to write tonight, but I think I'm going to write something. I'm feeling a little spunky, so we'll see. Saucy even because tomorrow is a

Wendy's sauciest take Wednesday and. We're doing a little by the way, programming note as ESPN runs its intro instead of just getting to the rankings. We are going to do Wendy's Saucy's Take Wednesday a little different on Wednesday morning. I will come with a saucy take. Ari will come up with a saucy take. Producer River will come up with a saucy take. And I actually know what both of yours are and I feel like I've been challenged now. And the chat will decide who had the

sauciest take. I just wanted to say thank you to James for noticing my haircut that I got today. I was hoping you would, Andy, but that's fine. Hardest fate in the universe. I noticed it, but I was too busy making sure your mic was right. Yeah, I got like my face. I lost five pounds because when I get the facial hair going and the slurpees working out of the system, I'm feeling pretty good. Super excited to see what happens here. the facial hair going and the slurpees working out out of the system. I'm feeling pretty good.

Um, super excited to see what happens here. Andy, what are you, what are you most on guard here for or on alert for? I'm curious about a couple of things. So when we're talking to Ralph Russo today, he said something that I found interesting about BYU, where he said he thinks they are that the committee has frozen them. And what he means by that is they put them in a spot where they're not going to really move up or down, but they could get jumped.

And, you know, because BYU lost, I'm curious where Boise State is relative to the other, to the big 12 title contenders. Because remember, the 12 seed is not a guaranteed group of five champ dumping ground. That's not necessarily what it is. The 12 seed could be the fifth highest ranked conference champ if that conference champ is ranked 12 or lower. It also could just be the 12 seed if everybody's ranked 11 or higher 12 or higher so

Yeah, the frozen thing is interesting Andy because if they are frozen What do you gain from putting them at 12? You don't have to put them anywhere like freezing over 11 or 13 or 20. It doesn't matter. They have an automatic bid So, you know, I do think right unless army like yeah, unless army beats Notre Dame or some reason to lane. The point of this is, is that if you put them at 12, you have to I mean, that to me is still a statement that you believe that they're one of the 12 best teams, because they don't think

about seeding when they're doing this. So but it is interesting because the group of five traditionally in this world was an afterthought. And if they are actually freezing them at 12 or 11 or in that neighborhood, then it's still kind of the same thing, except they don't have an option at the end of the year to leave that team out. Like putting them at 12 perpetually is just, it's just like putting them into no man's land.

So it would be- I had somebody on Twitter say my bracket didn't make sense in bracketology because why did I assume that Colorado would just jump over Boise State? Like why did I have Colorado as the four seed and not Boise State as the four seed and then Colorado as the 12? And I usually I'm like, ah, whatever.

That one got me. Like I started thinking about that when I was like, hmm, you know, I may have to revise my thinking on this. I kind of want to see where the committee falls. No, I think that what you did here echoes the sentiment that we just started talking about. Like I think that the group of five team is in the playoff. They have a spot, but they're not going to be viewed in a way that is anything other

than a second class citizen. And you know, I hate to say it, but that's kind of where they belong based on where their schedule plays. I don't, I'm not saying that Boise isn't good or that they can't win games or whatever. I'm saying that based on your strength of schedule and the level at which you play, you don't have the right to be ranked higher or to be in the four seed. And I don't think there's any scenario whatsoever if Colorado finishes as a two loss conference champion and Boise runs the table and gets in that they would be the four and Colorado would be the 12. Like there's no

chance that that would happen in my opinion. Well, I want to see where the numbers show up tonight. I want to see where Colorado shows up relative to Boise State, where BYU shows up, where Arizona State shows up, because all of those things matter. The Army thing I'm not even worried about. I don't worry about where Army shows up, because if they beat Notre Dame, they will be somewhere much, much higher next week. Also, as they're revealing the bottom of the top 25, So as they're revealing the bottom of the top 25, all of this matters too, because it matters to the committee, 25 is an arbitrary number, but they care when this is over, how many of their top 25 teams you beat.

So Illinois is 25 and UNLV is 24, which gives a top 25 win to Boise for the schedule watchers. And possibly a second top 25 win to Boise as long as UNLV keeps winning and then Boise State beats UNLV. Missouri still ranked at 23 because they put up a nice fight against South Carolina. Iowa State at 22. Iowa State, by the way, Producer River and I were going through the Big 12 playoff predictor, or excuse me, the championship game predictor,

and the site is MRED's standings tiebreaker. It's bball.notnothing.net. There is a scenario where Iowa State can still make the Big 12 championship game. It is a fairly narrow path other than pure chaos. But if Arizona state were to beat BYU and then BYU were to lose to Houston next week, Arizona state beats Arizona, Colorado wins both games. You would have a Colorado Iowa state big 12 championship game provided Iowa state, of course wins

farmageddon against Kansas State. Yeah. And you're going to have to reread through that a lot because I didn't retain. I would say we'd also have to be Utah this week. But it's possible. It's possible to lane checks in at 20 Arizona State was 21 right? Uh, one spot ahead of Iowa state. Okay. So Arizona state's 21, not a lot of respect there, but maybe if they beat BYU that they hop up next week, Tulane is at 20. Tulane is one to watch too, because if Boise state were to lose, if, if you and LB were to lose again, Tulane then kind of jumps into this. Army number 19 again, doesn't matter where they are. If they keep winning, they're fine. If they get slaughtered by Notre Dame number 19 again doesn't matter where they are if they keep winning they're fine if

they get slaughtered by Notre Dame that it doesn't matter South Carolina up to number eighteen we got South Carolina cluster there with Clemson at seventeen which they'll just flip them if if South Carolina wins the game and then Colorado sixteen Andy okay so let's let's figure out where Boise State is that Boise State was at 13 last week, but they had Georgia at 12. They're obviously gonna move Georgia up. They're gonna move BYU down. Everybody else probably stays fairly similar. Does that make Colorado the highest ranked two loss team not in the Big Ten or SEC? Yes.

Because I think that's appropriate. Well and that's also a sign that if they were to win the Big 12, then you're probably talking to them at four. There's A&M at 15. So again, they're in control of their destiny for the SEC Championship game and the playoff. Just keep winning. BYU at 14, they dropped eight spots. Okay, so there you go. So BYU loses to Arizona State. Arizona State and Colorado are going to wind up one spot apart and they're going to be right next to Boise.

That's what's going to happen. All right, number 13. Nope, nope, we're gonna talk about BYU. We're gonna talk about BYU. Yeah, there's a lot to say about BYU. So Boise State is still higher than these guys right now. And rightfully so, yeah. Let me ask you this, Ari.

If Boise State doesn't lose, why should those guys get any higher than Boise State? I don't know that they would. Then Boise State's your four seed. Oh, oh, you mean it, including Colorado? I think a lot of wins, the big 12 that winning a semi power to power conference puts you above them. Just I think that that accomplishment is enough to move the rankings. SMU is still outside the top. They're 13. So like, they're not doesn't matter what happens to them. Just keep waiting. They're fine. But still makes me angry. So this is going to be Boise State at 12. Right? Yes, Boise State's 12. Okay. So right now, the way they're gonna put it into the bracket

is Boise State is gonna be your four seed. When they slot the seed into the bracket, Boise State will be the four. Yeah, when they put it up on the TV today, yes. Yeah. Now if Colorado goes out and beats BYU, and that'll give them a top 15 win, which will vault them over it.

Like there's no question. Tennessee fell to number 11. See, you're so sure that I'm not. Yeah, no, maybe I'm not. I don't know. I'm just going based on just the way that that group of five teams have been perceived. Georgia climbed back into the top 10 at number 10,

which is a little bit lower than we thought it could be. Right. So Tennessee drops four spots after losing to Georgia. Georgia only jumps up three spots or two spots. Yep. And Ole Miss at nine, one spot ahead of Georgia. And I think that it makes sense. Georgia on the road. I think that being ahead of Georgia, but behind Alabama based on all of the resumes makes sense of those three. It does. It does. Now if this happens, if it goes this way, all the big 10 folks are going to get their wish because they're going to get to see SEC teams come up north

on the road. Miami number eight, which Miami would be elevated then if they're the ACC champ, they would be the elevated to the three seat. Yep. And then Alabama is seven. Yep. Alabama seven. So your team, okay. Alabama's got a home game, right? Yes. Ole Miss, Georgia and Tennessee are on the road. And Boise State's on the road. Or no, excuse me, not Boise State. The big 12 champs on

the road. And then Notre Dame's number six jumping up two spots from eight. Tennessee at Notre Dame in the playoff would be kind of fun. It would be. You get another Georgia Alabama game in Tuscaloosa be kind of fun. It would be. You get another Georgia Alabama game in Tuscaloosa by the way. I want Tennessee Penn State somehow because I just like the Spider-Man meme on that one. Indiana five.

So Indiana would get, well Indiana would not get Boise State right because Indiana would get the sixth seed. Yeah Indiana would be. They would be the sixth seed, they'd be playing the Yeah, Indiana would be. They would be the sixth seed, they'd be playing the 11, they'd be playing Tennessee. Tennessee would be going to Bloomington, which actually would answer a lot of questions. So it's electric.

And we can basically round out the top four, right? So where's Indiana drop if they lose to Ohio State? I guess it matters how that happens. And if they beat Ohio State, we know they're up, they'll move up to two. I bet you they would drop to SMU territory, like 13, 12. Okay. Area.

So striking dis, well, but maybe not in? Really? Yeah. That's interesting. Penn State in the four. Very interesting. I still think with Penn State. Very interesting. I still think with Penn State, you're going to get the situation like, remember the Baylor TCU thing, the first year of the playoff, where they kept putting TCU ahead of Baylor even though Baylor beat TCU? And they're like, oh, never mind. I think they're going to look deep into their soul on Penn State and Penn State's not gonna wind up being the five seed.

Yeah, because it's like Penn State gets a brunt of my criticism in terms of being ranked ahead of Indiana. And like Texas and Penn State are very similar resume wise, right? Except you could even make the case that Penn State's got a better resume, because by the way guys, I know we forget, losses are part of your resume. Like Penn State's loss is better than Texas's loss,

just based on the way they played. I mean, they both lost to a really good team at home in a game that in the second half, we didn't think they had a chance of winning. So pretty similar there. But yeah, Penn State and Texas are kind of the same. The difference is, Penn State's not got anything that's gonna drop them.

Texas has gotta keep winning. If Texas loses to Texas A and M they drop and it could be a precipitous drop. So I'm going to put you into a place that we haven't gone very often because it's always where's Indiana going to go if they lose it, Indiana beat Ohio state. Are they one? Um, I don't know who's, know whose resume is better at that point. Was Oregon's better? No, Oregon's beaten Boise State. Oregon beat Boise. Yeah. So no, Oregon still won Indiana with a 2. You know what I also was thinking, and I was talking to my buddy about

this today, but you know how we're not supposed to be caught up in recency bias and we just explored that question that River gave us a few weeks ago about what would happen if Notre Dame lost to NIU this week instead of week three? Yeah, exactly. I was actually thinking about this, you guessed it, in the shower, and I came to the conclusion that I'm actually okay with recency bias. And can I tell you why? Because-

Because they're, they're having a playoff now and not in September? Because you have more thorough and accurate information now than you did in November. I mean in October and September, right? Like the more information that you have that's reliable should be the information that you lead with. And when you have Notre Dame in your mind, the NIU thing, you suspend the belief that it would happen again. Notre Dame's a different team. Sorry, I messed this up because I forgot you've got to move BYU in or whoever the highest ranked Big 12 team is. So Tennessee would be the first team out in this. Tennessee would not be in.

So I think that my projected bracket is very similar in bubble watch to what we just saw here. How much would Ohio state love it if they got to play BYU at home in the first round and then go play Boise state in the fiesta bowl? I think that Ohio state would probably be a 15, 16 point favorite over BYU, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm glad, I'm glad this happened.

I'm glad the committee ranked it this way so people can see, can see Boise State in the four spot because it is possible. It's not guaranteed that the group of fives highest ranked champ is the 12. Yeah, but this is visualized it. Yeah. It won't happen though. You're so sure. I'm telling you it won't.

You are so certain. Now the system change the way we treat what if everybody what if everybody the big 12 just takes another loss before they get to the championship game? Which is also possible because it's the big 12 Ari. Yeah, I Mean I'm doing I'm saying that under the under the circumstances of the results that were anticipating Patriot mapper these rankings are so. The committee is completely ignoring strength of schedule. Obviously, Indiana and Oregon deserve credit for being undefeated, but they ain't played nobody. Oregon played Ohio State and beat them in Boise State and beat them.

That's somebody. Oregon and Indiana's schedules are not even close to the same. Not remotely the same thing. Do not lump them in together. Do you have any problems? Cause I don't know that anything's infuriating me that hasn't already infuriated me. Nothing stands out. I just think it's interesting that you are so sure that what we were seeing with Boise State

will not happen in the final one. Because here's my premise. The system changed, but the sport didn't. Like I don't think that like the way that we perceived group of five teams in comparison to power power teams is going to be changed. How they view the difference between those two things in that room is going to change. They don't ever put Colorado or Arizona State or BYU above

Boise State from this point forward. How can beating any of them? Merit moving them above Boise State from this point forward, how can beating any of them merit moving them above Boise State? Yeah. Here's the other thing that you know well is that the committee is gonna do what it wants, whether it makes sense or not.

So that is it. And they will retcon a reason for it. You're exactly right. I think beating a, I don't know that, I mean, logically that makes sense, but I think if you frame it in the way they added a top 15 win. Now the interesting thing with Boise is if UNLV keeps moving up and they beat UNLV again, then they would add to their resume.

Like Boise's resume is not done yet either. I'm also curious too, what if Ohio State ends up beating Oregon in the big 10 championship game? Does that like move, need a little? I think it just flips them. No, no, I'm saying in terms of what it means for Boise, like, because Boise right now is under the pretense of, they played the number one team in the country

on the road down to the final play. Like, does- If Ohio State beats Oregon, I don't think anybody's gonna suddenly think Oregon's terrible and that Boise State nearly beating Oregon doesn't mean anything. I'm trying to brainstorm ideas of how they're going to screw Boise out of the four seat. What reasons will they make up for this for this job?

That's the thing. Now, if they just say, well, Colorado, like next week, let's say they move, they just keep engine Colorado up and like it's Colorado has just been really impressive. And then you get to the week of the championship games that Tuesday night where they go, ah, will they Colorado 12 and Boise State 13? How's that sound? Yeah, I can see that. Or Arizona State or let's say BYU wins these next two.

And they're like, oh, well BYU beat a top 25 team. So we just move BYU back and BYU's beat Nesamu as well. Yeah, we're all kind of like in this, like I think that because Boise State is a no man's land and they played Oregon that like we don't fixate on their strength of schedule because of how well they played against Oregon and Eugene. Which Oregon, by the way, is a different team at this point. Right. Does anybody left questioning how good they actually think Boise is on the national scale? Like they're definitely very good in the Mountain West, but like, do you think this is a team that can win a playoff game?

Well, I I'm curious how people think Boise stacks up to Tulane. Because I don't think there's been any discussion about Tulane because Tulane lost to Kansas State and Oklahoma early. But Tulane is just pounding people like Tulane beat Navy the way the way Notre Dame beat Navy. is just pounding people like Tulane beat Navy the way the way Notre Dame beat Navy. Yeah, no, they've been really, really impressive. And I actually think that if Tulane, I think I saw somewhere that if Tulane played Boise, they'd be favored. Yeah. So, um, so, so this is, this is the question and we'll see how that goes. Uh, producer River asks a good question in the chat. Are you surprised that Georgia only moved up two after beating Tennessee?

The reason why I'm not is because you have to slot them in a rational place. And I think in order for Georgia to have made a more drastic jump, you also would have had to increase the SEC teams in front of it, like Ole Miss and Alabama. And it's like, there's't put Georgia ahead of Ole Miss. Cause there's a jam at the top of the rankings that we've already, like, we've already asserted

that Indiana and Penn State are ranked higher. There's no way you could put Alabama in front of either of those teams at this moment. And you can't loosen it up. So the only way for Georgia to have a more drastic jump, I guess would be for Miami to be 10, which would probably be more just than eight. And then you would move them up to nine

and then Ole Miss to eight. Or having Notre Dame in the back still a little bit more. Like Notre Dame being six is a pretty high ranking. Well, Casanova in the chat asked, what happens if Notre Dame loses to Army? Well, Notre Dame's out. Like they're not making the playoff if they lose to Army. But Army suddenly jumps up.

They would put Army, I think, ahead of Boise State at that point, but army suddenly jumps up. They would put army, I think ahead of Boise state at that point, but then army would have to, to beat Tulane in the American championship game, which would be pretty tricky. Yeah. But if army goes undefeated, they are, I think, unequivocally in over Boise, right? They're in, and they're probably the four seat if they're undefeated.

Cause beating Tulane on the way to Notre Dame and Tulane is gonna help. He's gonna help, yes. When you're're undefeated. Because beating Tulane on the way to Notre Dame and Tulane is gonna help. Yes. You're an undefeated team. What did I say? You beat Notre Dame and Tulane in the last three weeks of the season and they play UTSA after Notre Dame. They'll beat they'll beat UTSA. Yeah. So that would and then remember the Navy game does not count for this because the playoff will be set Then the Army Navy game will happen So that would be wouldn't that be weird Well, the other thing you gotta take into account here too that I just dawned on me is that you know Penn State now has a top

25 win that they did in Illinois Well, that's it Penn State strength strength of schedule is better than people realize. I think there's not any one that just wows you other than Ohio State, which they lost to. But on the whole, their schedule is tougher, much tougher than Indiana so far. Now I'm curious to see how close it gets once Indiana has played Ohio State. That'll ratchet up Indiana's a bit, but I don't think it's gonna do it as thoroughly.

So, but you do get, okay, so here's the matchups based on this. I messed this up before. You'd have Alabama at Notre Dame, you'd have Georgia at Penn State and Ole Miss at Indiana. So everybody who wanted to see Southern teams go up North, you'd get your wish. Now here's the thing. The SEC team would be favored in all three of those games. Yes, that's the lower seed would be favored in all three of those games. But according to Doug,

Provo was also the north. so would be why you be going North to Provo is also the North, so it's just North on North violence right there. BYU Ohio State. Yeah, but that would be this is kind of the dream scenario, though, isn't it? In terms of like the matchups, if you're like, I love the 12 team playoff because of the matchups.

Oh, yeah. Look at the matchups. Look at the I mean, Ohio State gets to coast into the semis, but everything else is awesome. the What Ohio State would get if they were to win that first round game? That's crazy. The one that would be for certain a five seed would be Oregon. They should both take a dive and see who's the closest to zero at the end. That would be so fun. That's like some European soccer stuff. Like that's happened where both teams were trying to lose.

Well, European soccer has fallen to the sec with all these fake injuries. You might as well just, you know, pretend like you're, uh, Oh, listen, Greg Sankey sent that memo. Yeah. He sent the knock that mess off memo. It didn't get knocked off by the way. There were, I saw, I think I saw four of them this weekend. Yeah. Didn't get knocked off. Goat dog says calling Prova the North infuriates my inner geography nerd. See,

you're gonna have to take it up a dog, man. That's not I didn't. Is he does he get to decide what is North and what is South now? They have a line. They have the they have the they have the line. Just as the man has a sword, doesn't mean like what if I brought my own sword? Where is Provo actually? It's in the

northern part of Utah. No, I know, but where like what like if you say Provo like is you know like Ohio's in the Midwest. Where is Provo? It's in Utah. Is it in the southeast? This or southeast is is Provo in the Midwest. Where's Provo? It's in Utah. Is it in the southeast? This is Provo in the South? No, it's in Utah. What's? Yeah.

I'm kind of redoing this here. Like not much changed, Andy, right? Because there wasn't a lot of shake up in the actual games. And I don't see anything new that would make me angry or make me feel like they did something wrong. I don't think they did anything wrong. I think. Glad they did it this way. So everybody can see brackets now with Boise State is the four seed and understand that this is possible. with Boise State as the four seed and understand that this is possible. And Colorado is at the highest possible point where it could win head to head debates discussion wise. Every team in front of it, it couldn't beat in a debate.

Correct. Every team behind it, it could be a debate. So I think Colorado is perfectly ranked, even though it seems a little bit low for how they're playing the tricky part for Colorado is where how high can they rise by beating Kansas and Oklahoma State and then whoever they would play in the big 12 championship game? Yeah. Well, I'm looking at the rankings here and there's gonna be a lot of teams who play each other

that will fall automatically. The thing that just makes no sense and I wrote about this last week Andy, is the five spots between Miami and SMU. In fact, I would put Miami somewhere like in the 13, 14 range and then move up everybody in front of it one more spot. Like, I don't think like Miami being eight is just weird to me because like I don't even

know. I want to address this from Dan in the chat. Since when did games on the field not matter? Alabama loses twice yet people are complaining about their ranking below Indiana yet Indiana is undefeated. I'm sorry, but they've lost SEC or not. OK, Dan, Dan, are you still there? I hope you're still there.

I want you to answer this in the chat. Ari, you feel free to answer this to look deep into your soul and tell me what is the line on an Alabama Indiana game? With a straight face, I'm going to look at me. I'm going to look deep into my soul and I don't think it's impossible that Indiana could beat Alabama. I don't think it's impossible either. Vanderbilt beat Alabama.

So knowing that one team is taking care of business and one hasn't. So this is just to me. So and who would win if they played? I don't know. Who would most likely win if they play? In Bloomington, Dan says Bama by 10, so you think that the team that would be a double digit underdog to the other team is laying 10 and a half

at home OK in Alabama is not as good as Ohio State this year. They would not be a 10 point favorite. I think didn't go up. Isn't it up to 12? Well, but I bet you it would be 12 and a half now. 777 and a half. Maybe I don't come up. Isn't it up to 1212? But I bet you it would be 12 and a half now. Seven, seven and a half. Maybe I don't think it would be flirting with the with

the 10 point range but like Alabama is a bad example because good Alabama would kick their ass maybe right but yeah, Alabama that shows up. Alabama can lose to Indiana. You're you're exactly right. I'm I'm I'm playing doubles advocate here because I people seem so certain. It's like well, Indiana's undefeated in Alabama should have just gotten it done. Indiana didn't have to play Georgia. But the thing is, I sympathize with that question because I'm with you, Andy, in

the sense of like, we have to rank these teams based on what we think would happen. But like, which is what infuriates people also. It is infuriating because Indiana has done everything in their power based on their schedule to be where they are. And it's like you do play the games and losing. It gets it's become second nature to ignore losses. Like we ignore losses all the time. We ignore the NIU loss for Notre Dame.

We ignore Alabama's loss to Vanderbilt. We lose. We ignore Ole Miss's to Kentucky. And like these games, like for like the people who get mad at me for saying games don't matter. They literally do not matter now. If they would have won them, they might be in a better position today. But like we don't when discussing Ole Miss, are we discussing who they beat or who they lost to?

And like the results of the games have to kind of matter, don't they? I mean, like they do matters more than anything else on the resume to me. The good thing with Indiana is we are going to get to see Indiana against a really good team. Finally on Saturday. And we're going to see it. It's the push pool though, Andy of deserving or best right?

Like who, how do you think they should be ranked based on best or best on deserving? Well, I already know how the committee's told to do it and it ain't deserving. Yeah, and people have a hard time without deserving. Yeah. Especially when deciding who's best is subjective in a matter of opinion. Deserving is also subjective in a matter of opinion, but it's all subjective in a matter of opinion. Deserving is also subjective in a matter of opinion, but it's all subjective in a matter of opinion. Uncategorically more deserving than anybody who's lost, no matter what the schedule looks like. We'll find out. Indiana makes people mad.

Alabama makes people mad. It's funny because I had somebody, I've had some people tweet at me, like saying, how come they didn't just go to 2014 playoff and they wouldn't be worried about who's getting left out? I'm like, don't you understand this worrying about who's getting left out is a feature, not a bug of this thing. It is funny though, because I saw this today and I've been thinking about it,

but like we had Kurt's dignity on our show, right? Yep. Indiana through the first eight weeks of the season was the lovable overachiever story right? Yep. Everybody was all about Indiana, everybody was making smoke and cig jokes, I bought a pack of the cheapest cigarettes I could find. But you wasted your money point. And it might've been around the time that the calendar switched to November and the weather started getting cooler where Indiana went from the lovable, awesome story the underdog achieving something to get these losers out of the way so we can see all the teams

that we always want to see in the playoff. Like people are rooting for, it went from, they went from, they went from Oh, Indiana, let's go beat Ohio State to like people just wanting them out of the way. And it's like, do you want them to win this week or not? Like there's so much negativity towards Indiana, like is America rooting for Indiana this week? Or is Indiana rooting for urban is America rooting for Ohio State to get away? So it's kind of steep and get it just depends on all politics are local. way. So Tennessee can get in. It just depends on all politics or local. America's rooting for the team it likes. And America is very divided about which team it likes. If it helps Georgia,

Georgia fans are rooting for Indiana. If it doesn't help Georgia rooting, Georgia fans rooting against Indiana. Like that is how it works. Yeah, they seem like how does it affect my team? If, if it doesn't affect my team, they seem like it. How does it affect my team? If if it doesn't affect my team, they're the plucky underdog story and I wish him well and I want him to go beat Ohio State. If it affects my team, I want Ohio State to beat them by 90. It affects Penn State. It affects Alabama and I mean, look

at all the teams behind them in the polls. They all do like that's a lot of fans. I think that Indiana went from lovable underdog to nuisance very quickly. I still love them. And it's the same thing. I just wanna see what happens against Ohio State. Right Andy, everybody wants to see Cinderella

so the final four. Like I think that like we're getting to that. I'd say a lead eight. I don't, we're not, we want Cinderella out of there in sweet 16. Yeah. But I don't, we're not, we want Cinderella out of there in sweet 16. Yeah. But I can't wait. Ari, we have a lot more to talk about. There's a, there, there are a couple things that you mentioned. You got your saucy take. Rivers got his saucy take. I'll bring my saucy take.

There's a conversation Scott Van Pelt started on Twitter today from ESPN that I thought was really interesting. It ties into what we were just saying. I want to talk about that on tomorrow morning show as well, because it is. It strikes at the heart of what you were just saying. And I think I'd like to sleep on it, get a chance to think about it a little more and come back with a fully formed thought, because I think this is a great conversation and I want to have it in a little more long form. What is it?

Was style was the Scott van Pelt tweet about Indiana? It tangentially. Well, actually mostly. So I'll send it to you. We'll get it. We'll, we'll, we'll get it worked up. Producer River will get a nice graphic going and we'll talk about it tomorrow morning, because I, I think that's the question.

You started asking the same question as him and the question is, do we really want more and different? Or do we want familiar and what we know because that's what we know. You just can't say you want inclusive playoff and earn it on the field. And then when we get to a point where a team that isn't typical gets into it, every single person or a lot of the people are like, yeah, get them out of here, they suck. It's like, which one do you want?

And I do think that there is a lot of confusion with college football fans. And Andy, I think, and people probably won't admit it, there is some second guessing even on this system in general right now. Like I think people are confused about what they want. People are always confused about what they want. In July they want the underdogs to have a chance.

In November they want the big dogs. Ari, this is the whole conversation for tomorrow. Okay, I'm sorry. We got a lot to talk about. That's what I was setting up. We'll see you out tomorrow, bud. I'm sorry. We got a lot to talk about. That's what I was setting up tomorrow, but I know because we're also doing the heart count. So we will talk to you at 9 30 a.m. Eastern on Indian Ariane three. We will talk to you at 11 a.m. Eastern on the hard count. We're filling in for new dad, JD,

Piquel. Do you want the underdog? Do you want the big dog? Do you want the dogs to just get off your porch? Who let the dogs out? So many questions.