Andy & Ari On3 - College football Two Truths and a Lie | Have you named your starting quarterback yet?

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

The great Dan Rubenstein and Ty Hildenbrandt of The Solid Verbal podcast join Andy to play a college football-themed game of Two Truths and a Lie!(0:00-8:44) Intro: Starting QB's Named(8:45-17:04) Int...ro with Solid Verbal's Dan Rubenstein and Ty Hildenbrandt(17:05-18:40) Two Truths and a Lie intro(18:40-28:31) Big Ten's 2 Truths and a Lie(28:32-34:25) ACC's 2 Truths and a Lie(34:26-42:22) SEC's 2 Truths and a Lie(42:23-47:48) Big 12's 2 Truths and a Lie(47:49-52:19) Overall Conferences 2 Truths and a Lie(52:20-56:20) The Heisman Trophy's 2 Truths and a Lie(56:21-1:03:12) CFP's 2 Truths and a Lie(1:03:13-1:05:19) Conclusion, Wrapping Up But first, we’ve got starting quarterback announcements. Miller Moss was named USC’s starter, and Texas transfer Maalik Murphy was named Duke’s starter. Plus, Fansville is back! Then Dan and Ty join for our game. Andy makes three statements, and Dan and Ty have to identify which is the lie.   Here are a few of the topics: The Big Ten Oregon and Ohio State will play at least twice this season Nebraska at Iowa will have College Football Playoff implications USC will finish above .500 in Big Ten play The SEC Either Texas or Oklahoma will make the SEC title game Either Texas or Oklahoma will finish .500 or worse in league play Georgia will lose two road games The conferences A team will win a conference title in its first year in its new league The national champion will not play in a conference title game At least two power conference title games will be rematches of regular-season games Can you spot the lies?Want to watch the show instead? Head on over to YouTube and join us LIVE, M-F, at 8 am et! https://youtube.com/live/NY6hiJfb15QHost: Andy StaplesGuests: Dan Rubenstein, Ty Hildenbrandt Producer: River Bailey

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Andy Staples on three. It is a Tuesday and have you named your starting quarterback yet? Because if you haven't, you're probably behind. It is that week. This is this is the week when coaches who have been holding out on naming starting quarterback, even we were pretty sure we knew who it was or if we were not sure we knew who it was. This is when they start saying, yep, we're transitioning into game week. This is our starting quarterback. On Monday, USC coach Lincoln Riley named Miller Moss his starting quarterback. This was an interesting one because Miller Moss looked fantastic in the bowl game.
Starting point is 00:00:42 But Lincoln Riley then went out and brought in a quarterback from the transfer portal, Jaden Mayava, who had been at UNLV last year, who was great as a freshman at UNLV last year, but it still seemed like Miller Moss was going to be the guy. They bring Miller Moss to big 10 media days. It just,
Starting point is 00:01:01 it felt like he had command of the offense, respect to the teammates, all that good stuff. Now we get the official word, Miller Moss is USC starting quarterback. It's an interesting story with Miller Moss because we've talked about this, how rare it is that the quarterbacks just stay. And sometimes if you just stay, you have a better chance of being the guy. As long as you are still making progress. I mean, there's situations where guys just aren't making progress. Like the guy we're going to talk about in a second, Malachi Nelson, who was a signee at USC last year. He was a huge quarterback recruit, but it was very clear once he got on campus, he was never going to be the guy.
Starting point is 00:01:40 So that one, they had to basically agree to disagree. He went elsewhere. With Miller Moss, he was the second QB in their 2021 class at USC. So that was Clay Hilton's final class. The other QB in that class, Jackson Dart. And we talked about that with Ben Garrett yesterday from OM Spirit. Jackson Dart has been at Ole Miss Garrett yesterday from OM Spirit like Jackson Dart has been at Ole Miss so long it feels like Jackson Dart started at Ole Miss but he did he was he was at USC he left because Caleb Williams was coming in and that's what's so interesting with Miller Moss is so he's there in 21. 22 is about to start. Caleb Williams is coming in.
Starting point is 00:02:29 So you're not going to be the starting quarterback as long as Caleb Williams is there. And remember, when Caleb Williams transferred to USC, he had three years of eligibility remaining. You knew he wasn't going to use the last one. So you knew he was going to be the starter for two seasons. So Miller Moss was like, nope, I'm good. I'm going to stay. I'm going to back up Caleb Williams. Jake Jensen also signed in that class.
Starting point is 00:02:49 2023, Malachi Moore signs. Again, a big time recruit. When he signs, you're thinking, oh, this is the guy who's supposed to replace Caleb Williams. It became pretty clear once he got there that he wasn't going to. But then they bring in Jade Maiava after this past offseason, and it's like, okay, you sure? You sure? Well, Miller Moss is sure. He is USC's starting quarterback, and USC has a bear of a schedule. They start out with LSU. Now, we don't know if LSU's defense is going to be any better. So Miller Moss may be slicing and dicing in game one. We'll find out.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Garrett Nussmeier, LSU's quarterback, similar situation where he sat behind Jaden Daniels, waited, waited, waited. It's a lot of parallels in this game. You got Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly who left Oklahoma and Notre Dame on the same day to go to these schools. You have quarterbacks who sat behind transfers who won the Heisman Trophy and waited their turn. Garrett Nussmeyer
Starting point is 00:03:55 waited his turn at LSU. Miller Moss waited his turn at USC. You have defenses that were terrible last year that they hope are going to be better? We'll find out. But if LSU's defense isn't much better, Miller Moss could be carving it up. Now, game three is Michigan. I can tell you right now, that defense is still going to be very good. They lost some players from the national title team. They did not lose all of them, and they did not lose the best ones.
Starting point is 00:04:28 That one's going to be tough. So Miller Moss will be challenged early, for sure. But, as you can see, he's a very patient person. He's stuck it out. He is now USC's starting quarterback. Other starting quarterback news. On Monday, Duke named Malik Murphy its starting quarterback. The Blue Devils got Malik Murphy from Texas.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Remember, he started the BYU and Kansas State games for Texas last year when Quinn Ewers was hurt. He was the breakout star of the 2023 Texas spring game, but it was very clear Arch Manning was going to be the backup this season. So Malik Murphy had to find another place. He is now the Duke starting quarterback, Manny Diaz, his first year as the, as the head coach at Duke. And this will be interesting to see how he does because he's one that kind of wowed us in that spring game. He was, he was all right in his two starts. They almost lost k-state game k-state was obviously very good so malik murphy now a year older he is your starter at duke other quarterbacks who've been named we had washington state named john matier the starting quarterback he was the backup to Cam Ward last season.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Meanwhile, Danny O'Neill named the starting quarterback at San Diego State. Now, he was officially named on Monday. The San Diego Union Tribune reported it on Sunday night, but Danny O'Neill is the first true freshman in the history of the program to start the season opener at QB. So Danny O'Neill's story is interesting. He was going to Colorado. He was committed to Colorado. He was following Sean Lewis. Sean Lewis was the OC at Colorado.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Remember, he'd been the head coach at Kent State before that. So he becomes the OC at Colorado. Danny O'Neill commits to him there. Deion Sanders decides about three quarters of the way through last season. It's not working out. Demotes Sean Lewis. Sean Lewis leaves, becomes the head coach at San Diego State. Danny O'Neill follows in there, signs with him. He's now the starting quarterback.
Starting point is 00:06:40 Beat out Florida State transfer A.J. Duffy. And remember, this is, this is one of those things that you got to pay attention to. And we're going to mention Malachi Nelson again in one second. Sometimes the, the higher rated prospect, it's just not going to work out or it doesn't work out at stop one at stop two.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Sometimes the recruiting rankings don't get it right with QBs. And I realize I say that as someone who works for one of the sites that does the recruiting rankings, but it's true. QB is a very hit or miss position. So O'Neill is going to start at San Diego State. Elsewhere in the Mountain West at Boise State, Maddox Madsen is your starting QB. Now, I said Malachi Nelson went elsewhere from USC. Where did he go? He went to Boise State, but he got beat out by Maddox Madsen. And it just tells you sometimes recruiting rankings don't always get it right. Now,
Starting point is 00:07:43 in the aggregate, they do. Overall, they do, but individually, they don't always get it right. Now in the aggregate, they do overall, they do, but individually they don't always do it. So Maddox Madsen is your starter at Boise state. We now are waiting on a few other quarterback competitions. We're waiting on Maryland. See what Mike Loxley decides. Billy Edwards Jr., MJ Morris, Cameron Edge, North Carolina. Still waiting on that one. Michigan, probably the biggest, highest profile quarterback competition still going on. Alex Orji, Davis Warren, and Jack Tuttle. We will find out because it is time to start making these decisions.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Now, perhaps Jerome Moore doesn't tell us what his decision is. Perhaps he just puts somebody out there game one. But if they're going to tell us, this week's probably the week they're going to tell us. So pay attention. Keep your eyes peeled. Stay tuned. There will probably be a few more of these. right now we have a very special treat for you very special treat my friends dan rubenstein and ty hildebrandt from the solid verbal podcast join we play a little game called two truths and a lie you've probably played this is a party game icebreaker we're gonna break the ice on this college football season and this And this one, this one has a, has a potential to get very fun because I made up all the statements. They could all be lies, but if you have to pick two truths, it is going to make
Starting point is 00:09:16 you think very critically about this upcoming season and realize how unpredictable all this could be. The truth in the chat, if I'm Sharon Moore, I wouldn't tell anyone anything. Keep Fresno State guessing yes, because if Fresno State doesn't know who the starting quarterback is, they'll most assuredly lose to Michigan. I'm pretty sure Sharon Moore could buy a billboard in Fresno announcing his starting quarterback so that the Fresno State Bulldogs know exactly who it is and they would still lose. But that's just a wild guess. Just a wild guess. When you have Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham, Will Johnson, that's how it's going to go with certain opponents.
Starting point is 00:10:19 All right, now it is time to play a little Two Truths and a Lie, 2024 College Football Edition. This is a very special day here at Andy Staples on three, because it's not often we have pioneers on the show, but these are some pioneers. Dan Rubenstein and Ty Hillbrand, the host of the solid verbal podcast, the original college football podcast.
Starting point is 00:10:45 They had a podcast when nobody knew what a podcast was. They this thing for like three years before they have ever met in person that's true gentlemen look at what you've created an entire industry yeah that's us that's us yeah all of that is factually true uh andy and i and ty and andy like we've known each other before ty and i met our wives because of the digital college football work we've done in podcasting and video writing, everything like that. So, yeah, it's weird that we're pioneers and we're 28, all three of us. But, you know, it's a new landscape. It's a new world. I mean, we were all in high school when we started doing this stuff.
Starting point is 00:11:21 It was just truly amazing. The original TikTokers. Yeah. in high school when we started doing this stuff it was it's just truly amazing the original talkers yeah it but it's it's funny how all this has worked because when it started the idea of like terrestrial radio was still very dominant it actually still is because there's a lot of old people who haven't figured how to use their phones yet but satellite radio had just started nobody thought what these little on-demand shows who's gonna who's gonna listen to that and now it's a significant portion of the population that this is how we get our audio and you know for you guys you've created this
Starting point is 00:11:58 incredible community of verbalers i'm curious when did you realize there's this group of people that are listening to everything we do that now get all the jokes that are kind of family? I had a couple of different instances. And I think both may go back to my wife. At a live show, people were talking to her about her experiences at michigan you're like how did they know i went to michigan like oh these people kind of know us in a really good way but like there was another instance where a co-worker of mine came on the show years and years ago and she just came in to do picks as a non-college football fan at all and then she was with her boyfriend and a friend of uh his and she said the friend
Starting point is 00:12:47 said wait you're katie the capper as if she were an important person because i randomly pulled in an old vox media co-worker on into the studio to do the show and you you feel these like reverberations where like ty and i are just doing the show speaking to each other and you know speaking to a wall but like in public it's happened at games. It's happened. I've had somebody come up to me on the subway in New York saying and pulling out an air pod or whatever and saying, I'm listening to you right now. This is weird. So we've had those instances. But, yeah, that that has been the big thing that, you know, the real life, the IRL element of it is what sort of nailed everything home. We had somebody come up to us at a live show that we did.
Starting point is 00:13:30 I mean, we've been doing this show for a decade plus before we did anything on the road. And we had someone come up to us at one of our early New York shows that we did. Dan probably remembers this. And it was a listener who remembered almost verbatim what we talked about on a very specific episode on a very specific date yeah year in november and it's like do you remember what you said on the november 3rd episode i was like dude i don't know what i had for lunch today let alone what i talked about on that episode but it up until that point you get emails from people you have obviously a community out there that interacts with you.
Starting point is 00:14:06 You know, people are listening. But when they when they prep is preposition you with it right in front of your face like that, it's it's a little bit of a different call. Yeah, but it's sort of like when when our friend Ralph Russo from the Associated Press is five days behind and is texting me about something I said five days ago and arguing with me in real time. And I don't even remember saying it. So it is great and so much fun.
Starting point is 00:14:31 And that's the thing I love about you guys is it's always fun. So if you have not listened to Dan and Ty's most recent episode, and you may have one dropping between now and this is coming out on Tuesday morning. But you had an episode about Iowa where you took a deep dive into what has happened to Iowa's offense why is it the way it is and I say this in the most complimentary way I can it is like banging your head against
Starting point is 00:15:02 a concrete wall in audio form. And because that's the experience, like you bring in our friend Scott Dockerman from the athletic to explain exactly what's happened. And it is such a great educational piece that I understand so much better. Like the roots of why Kirk Fer Ference is the way he is why things haven't changed and what has to change now like it's fascinating and when we get into truth truth in a lie we're going to get into that because there is a a statement in two truths in a lie
Starting point is 00:15:40 in our Big Ten section that references Iowa that I will be curious to see after that episode. Has it changed your opinion? The thing about it, Andy, and Dan was the one who initially came up with the idea to do something that unpacked Iowa and what it meant. What did it mean kind of over the last decade to see this decline in its offense? But as you know, it's been very easy to make the jokes about it online. It's been a punchline now for a few years running. And we did our best to kind of step back from that and talk to people who understood it on a deeper level
Starting point is 00:16:15 to actually understand how it got here. The jokes are great. I'm sure those aren't going to go away anytime soon. Hopefully they will this season for the Iowa Hawkeye fans out there. But just to understand how it got here to your point. Yeah, we're hopeful that that can help educate people. I know it did for us. It is amazing.
Starting point is 00:16:31 Actually, let's let's start it because when I come on with you guys, a lot of times you have a game for me. I came on in between in that in that limbo period right before I started it on three. And we played a game called Sark Tank where somebody would come in and give the pitch. One of us would be the Sark, like the shark on Shark Tank. And we would decide whether that was a viable pitch, whether we wanted to invest or not. This one is the similar conceit where it's a game we all know. The reason I picked this one, so my son started high school last year. And in one of his classes, they did a getting to know you thing. And it was two truths and a lie. And it's funny because his school, most of these kids have been together since kindergarten.
Starting point is 00:17:19 So you got to go real deep to get anybody to figure out or to fool anybody with your lie because they know all each other's dark darkest secrets so he's like going i played basketball in fifth grade trying to make somebody real you know who doesn't realize he quit after fourth grade like that's that's the hard part super pedantic yeah this one will be a little bit more open-ended because i'm going to give you three statements you tell me which one's the lie we're just we're speculating here these all could be lies these all could be true but i tried to make it where you're gonna have to think pretty critically to decide which one is the lie and, and maybe stake out some, some place you don't want to stake out. But I'll start with the big 10,
Starting point is 00:18:11 since we were just talking about Iowa. Did you at all consider calling this two truths and a tie? Because that's where my mind went. Oh, see, that's, you're so much better at branding than me. It's my, my lone strength. Yeah. Producer River changed the lower third. Two truths in a tie. Two truths in a tie. It is done. This I am so bad at branding. This is this is my my downfall as a college football podcaster. Everybody else is better at branding than me. Yeah, this is why we're a good fit together. Continue. Exactly. All right. Two truths in continue exactly all right two truths and a tie the big 10 oregon and ohio state will play at least twice this season nebraska at iowa will have college football playoff implications usc will finish above 500 in big 10 play ty hildebrand yeah two truths and a tie which one's the tie yeah the tie the lie is that nebraska at iowa will have playoff implications and i i know it it pains me to say that i apologize but i really like
Starting point is 00:19:28 oregon and ohio state no great secret there i don't even think that's a take i think usc ultimately finishes in five or six conference wins i'm not crazy about usc but i give them a little bit more credit than um you know, maybe some others out there. I just can't get to a place where we're sitting here on November the 29th and one of either Iowa or Nebraska is in serious playoff contention. I do think I will be on the edge of that conversation, but it's a question of offense. It's a question of offense,
Starting point is 00:20:01 no matter how many things Tim Lester has said in the off season that has given us warm fuzzies and at least led us to believe that, yes, this is a guy who understands what needs to happen next in order to just move some things forward. I still think we're going to encounter these situations where we're banging our head against the wall. Iowa's offense is still not good enough to kind of get them over the hump. And especially now that it's a more crowded conference, I just think it's harder to find a pathway into that playoff
Starting point is 00:20:29 if you're a team like Iowa, even with what I think looks like a fairly decent schedule. So unfortunately, for as much as I'd like to say, it's not the lie, not the tie, I think. Which is confusing. We're saying T-Y, not T-I-E, to be clear. That's correct. Yeah, I would say that Nebraska is the lie. Especially with Iowa, it becomes confusing. We're saying T-Y, not T-I-E, to be clear. That's correct. Yeah, I would say that Nebraska is the lie.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Especially with Iowa, it becomes confusing. Because they're the ones that would lobby the NCAA to reinstate ties and get rid of overtime. That's a very Iowa way of thinking. Okay, so I'm going to clarify something and be, again, pedantic. So when you say Nebraska and Iowa has playoff implications, there's two ways to interpret that. One way is one of those teams will be on the precipice, on the fringe of playoff consideration,
Starting point is 00:21:14 or within the top 12 when they play and maybe fall out. The other way is that these could be data points for playoff teams. I hadn't thought of it that way i i think we're going more the the straightforward primary one of these teams is in the mix okay i was gonna say that you know that you're looking at ohio state's resume that if iowa loses to nebraska then that io win doesn't look as good for ohio state if they're being considered as an at-large team kind of thing so i was going with the like who was it Pitt that was like squarely in the middle of like all these different teams had played Pitt way back when when we were considering yeah I think
Starting point is 00:21:53 that's maybe a little too deep because I don't I don't know that it's gonna if neither of them is in the mix for the playoff berth I don't know it's gonna matter that much what everybody did against them I I agree with you but you know how this sport operates in november i do where we're suddenly parsing every single moment you know like in oregon state right exactly they won by 14 the other team didn't have control they only won by seven and like but that's the conversation that's the weird sport that we all love and follow so i'm gonna say that as well just because if you're gonna say you know're going to consider a team with a true freshman quarterback, who I think is going to look great at times, but I still think we'll have a flawed offense also at times. And you got to see it to believe it with Iowa's offense at the same time. And look, they've been top 12. They've been around there these past few years at times but i think usc has enough now especially on defense adding a couple key oregon state transfers i think at linebacker and safety um there is something nice about having the receivers
Starting point is 00:22:51 that they have i still have some offensive line questions about them but i think they can win more often than not with pop on offense in the big 10 and some improvement on defense that they can they can go above 500 yeah and so the problem with believing that iowa could be part of this conversation is that you need to suspend reality and start believing that their offense is going to get better and for me i was drawing the comparison earlier when i was in the shower i'm like this is a lot like believing in UFOs, Andy, because we've got old evidence, strong evidence to suggest that, yes, it is real. It can be real. But with the wonders of modern technology, we need better 4K video, more serious people to also believe that this is a real thing until we actually see what Tim Lester does. And if Cade McNamara can hopefully do better this season than he did in his own scrimmage I'm I'm going to remain in a healthy skeptical place and hopefully
Starting point is 00:23:53 get to a point by the end of the year where we're talking about this whole thing in a different light Ty wants forensic burden of proof with the Iowa offense I understand that it's it's kind of the way I feel about USC's defense. Sure. Like I need to see it. I've never seen a Lincoln Riley team with a good defense. The closest it came is 2020 at Oklahoma. And I think we've learned enough now to know that nothing that happened in 2020 counts.
Starting point is 00:24:18 So we've got to see that from him. But I will say, so I'm going to pick a different one than you guys but it's not I'm not saying that USC will finish above 500 and Big Ten play as a lie okay I think that can be true because USC can go six and six and still be five and four in the Big Ten yeah their Big Ten schedule is actually somewhat manageable they do have to play Michigan and Penn State which is going to suck but LSU and Notre Dame, I think are more likely losses than anything on their big 10 schedule other than Michigan game. So I think there's a chance they go one and two in the non-con five and four in the big 10 and they're six to six and everybody's still mad where they could
Starting point is 00:25:06 be seven and five or they could be eight and four. I don't, I don't necessarily think they're going to be very good this year in the big 10, but the non-con is where they can take two losses. So I'm going to say that's not the lie. I'm going to say the lies. Oregon and Ohio state will play at least twice this season, which requires Nebraska and Iowa having college football playoff implications to be true. Producer River, please throw that Iowa schedule up on the screen. It's so great. It is a great schedule. Let's go through this.
Starting point is 00:25:34 So yes, there's that Ohio State. We're counting that as a loss. Iowa may be favored in every other Big Ten game. Every other Big Ten game. So as long as they beat Iowa State and don't you know drop one to Troy or Illinois State then you are talking about a team that could be 11-1 or 10-2 at the end of the season and playing in the Big Ten Championship game if they play if they like they could be playing Nebraska for a spot in the Big Ten championship game because they could be 8-1 with a loss to Ohio State in Big Ten play.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Oregon could be 8-1 with a loss to Ohio State in Big Ten play. Or Oregon could have beaten Ohio State, could have the head-to-head against Ohio State. And maybe Ohio State. Yeah, that's the thing. You could have a three-way tie situation. You have a three-way tie. How do you break the tie?
Starting point is 00:26:28 Like there's so many strains. We haven't even seen the tiebreakers yet. Like the Big Ten and SEC still have not given us those tiebreakers yet. So I do think there's a possibility that Nebraska-Iowa is either Iowa trying to get an at-large or Iowa trying to get into the Big Ten title game
Starting point is 00:26:44 or at least get into the tie get into the Big Ten title game or at least get into the tiebreaker for the Big Ten title game so if that happens and Iowa gets into the Big Ten title game then we don't get a second Oregon Ohio State in the Big Ten title game now we might get it in the playoff but I'd say there's less of a chance of that than in the title game so this is our we've already got some disagreements yeah yeah and i always lose this to northwestern right we know that that might have been a pat fitzgerald thing he like held the weird thing oh but oh speaking of northwestern in iowa sure we mentioned kade mcnamara bad in the scrimmage brendan sullivan maybe by maybe i was quarterback
Starting point is 00:27:20 yeah we don't know that yeah so that i mean there's that iowa's just going to lose something dumb or a couple things dumb in the big ten and still might have a crazy strong defense and lose you know what was it 12 10 something like that to minnesota last year and ties very high on minnesota this year that's very high i am darius taylor baby yeah max brosmer brosmer new hampshire transfer love it it. Love it. Love it. I have a saying on our show, Andy, that I clunkily started up that horrible. This is the year of bros before nose. I hate it.
Starting point is 00:27:53 And by that, I mean, we need to see what Max Brosmer can do in that Minnesota offense. Hopefully revitalize passing attack before we default to the nose of the past. Like we saw last year, right? They were going to build up the passing game before you know it. They ran the ball like 62% of the time. They were a very run-heavy offense. So I want to see Max Brosmer before I default to the nose of the past. Ask Ty how he would feel if an FCS transfer were starting for Notre Dame, right?
Starting point is 00:28:18 As long as it's for your team, not for mine. We're not here to talk about the past. We're here to talk about the future. It is a very sneaky great thursday week one game yes north carolina at minnesota very excited to watch that game all right let us move actually since we mentioned north carolina let's let's let's go to the acc let's two truths and a lie from the acc and this is all championship related. Florida State will win the ACC again. Clemson will not make the ACC title game.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Miami will make the ACC title game. I'm taking Florida State is the lie. Florida State repeating. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You get the whole field. That's pretty good. you get the whole field that's pretty good you get the whole field you get 16 teams i like a lot of what florida state has on defense generally my rubric
Starting point is 00:29:13 for greatness is quarterback and defense with what florida state lost on its line even with what it has coming back and you know occupying their defensive line i think dju is fine i do not trust dju uh i on a high level i would not feel great about a team like i think he's a totally fine quarterback but i don't think he is a championship caliber quarterback and that is my bias i've watched a lot of him at clemson and Oregon State. I'm just not there. Whereas I can talk myself into the upside of Miami. And I can... You're saying Clemson missing the championship game? Clemson missing would be the lie.
Starting point is 00:29:55 So Clemson making it would be the truth in that situation. Which is, at this point, a harder... It's a bolder take if you're saying they're going to make it. I think I like Clemson more than florida state in this moment yeah for me wow like in general yeah i do i'm look we just did a whole episode trying to zag about the iowa offense right that like let's not make fun of the iowa offense let's try to understand it and there is something to me about where i believe clemson's defense will be this year. And I know that the issue has not been defense for Clemson, but I think as flawed as we can look at Clemson being with what they've done in the portal and
Starting point is 00:30:35 not being able to figure out offense and receiver specifically, which is weird given Dabo's background, they've still won a ton of games recently. There is something still like, I like the, the continuity of Clemson. I think that is like the, so does Dabo. Well, Dabo likes it too much to be clear, but I still think continuity is the secret sauce to college football.
Starting point is 00:30:56 And I can't fully buy Mario Cristobal, but I still like the upside. And I just, I like Clemson a little bit more than florida state in this moment the andy the lie is that clemson will not make the acc title game i i am in on clemson this year i'm in on miami i think miami bought the stock you bought the stock is that well recommended i'm in i'm buying too much here i'm into miami making the acc title game i can certainly see a world in which Florida State again wins the
Starting point is 00:31:25 ACC, though I'm not betting on that. The lie to me, though, is Clemson not playing that title game. I am pretty high on them. I've got them in the game against Miami this year. I get that there is the narrative, as Dan alluded, that Dabo is not adapting. He's not using the portal. To be clear, that is definitely a long-term problem that he should probably see somebody about or talk to somebody about get a hall pass, go out and get somebody to come in one or two guys a year that can come in and plug some gaps. But I do think the receiver room will be better this season.
Starting point is 00:31:56 I'm extremely excited about a guy like a TJ more, the freshman wide out. He was compared to T Higgins in his high school recruitment to be clear. They need another T Higgins to win some 50, 50 balls and hopefully unlock that passing attack. I think this is going to be a better offense. I'm a little bit concerned that there's relative immaturity along that defensive line,
Starting point is 00:32:18 but I think there'll be fine. I'm a little bit concerned that Cade Klubnick is going to show the same level of inconsistency we saw a year ago, but all things being equal, I'm still pretty high on this team. I like where they're at. And I think they're going to be playing in that ACC title game, probably against Miami. So I think Florida state is going to win the ACC again. Wow. I do not think Clemson will make the ACC title game. My lie is Miami will make the ACC title game. And we talk about I need to see it with the Iowa offense. For me, I need to see it with the Clemson receiving core
Starting point is 00:32:55 with Jeff Scott not on the staff. Haven't seen it in years and years and years and years. I need to see it with Miami and Mario Cristobal. They're coming to Gainesville. And their roster should be better than Florida's they're two and a half point favorites I'm not that confident in them winning like you look at the rest of their schedule they'll be favored or should be favored in every game other than Florida State like they should be seven and one in the ACC. Will they be? I don't know. I need to see it. So the idea of Florida State matching up with Louisville or NC State or Virginia Tech in the ACC championship
Starting point is 00:33:38 game seems more plausible at this point. And we'll see. Maybe Clemson is that team. Maybe Clemson is as good as you say they are. I would like to talk to you guys at 3.30 p.m. Eastern time on August 31st when the Georgia game is over. Most of us suspect the Georgia game will actually be over significantly before that. A lot of great teams get killed by Georgia to open the season and go on to super impressive things.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Let's all be clear about that. Go Ducks. Dan's an Oregon grad. Yeah. And we all remember what happened two years ago. But yeah, that that we'll talk. We'll reconvene via group text on August 31st and see how we feel after that Clemson Georgia game. Georgia, a 13 and a half point favorite in that game let's spell it let's let's go to the sec yeah while we're here let's do it three three statements about the sec two are true one is a lie they could well they could all be lies let's be real here but for the purposes of our exercise two of these are true one is a lie either Texas or Oklahoma will make the SEC title game either Texas or Oklahoma will finish 500 or worse in league play Georgia will lose two road games
Starting point is 00:35:03 man this is brutal this is a brutal one that you put in front of us sandy and i'm not false yeah georgia's not losing two road games they're not losing two road games at old miss at alabama at texas there will be plenty of landmines and plenty of opportunities for them to lose do you remember the conversation we had a year ago about georgia's schedule by the way remember how we looked at it we're like oh that's a cakewalk they're definitely going to be in the conversation later in the year and they were and it you know didn't pan out the way they would have hoped but nonetheless kind of worked out at least from a regular season scheduling standpoint this year it's the opposite this year that schedule is the fifth toughest per our friend Bill Connolly over
Starting point is 00:35:40 at ESPN in the nation so there are are more than enough opportunities to go out there and lose. My issue with the statement, though, is if we're talking about Georgia, they're also 29th in returning production, which is an insane level of production from a really good team that returns in 2024. That's part of the reason why a lot of us, you're truly like Michigan to win the national title a year ago. You don't often see that level of returning production on a really good team. So from that standpoint alone, I could see Georgia dropping one, but I think there's just too much organization
Starting point is 00:36:14 around that program, too much talent on the depth chart that I'm gonna sit here today and say they're gonna lose two road games. So what's the lie? The lie is that Georgia's gonna lose two. Oh, that's the lie. Okay, all rightorgia's gonna lose two oh that's the lie okay all right all right all right so so we're good and and we're good with i feel like i i've given people outs with the texas and oklahoma right because you've got your they can't handle
Starting point is 00:36:36 the grind of an sec schedule you've got that but you've also got somebody could just come in like gangbusters like te A&M did in its first year in the SEC they were very good did not make the SEC title game but was very good yeah I think you can talk yourself into Texas making the title game right just because of their experience last year what they did on the road against Nick Saban's final team at Alabama and making the playoff Oklahoma is the bigger question right that you can believe you can squint and see Oklahoma finishing below 500 based on how tough their schedule is some of the questions around their offensive line I think their defense is going to
Starting point is 00:37:14 be really fun especially the back end of that defense um but the Georgia thing to me is still the lie you would have to if you believe Georgia is going to lose two road games this year you have to be of the firm belief that brock bowers and lad mcconkey specifically were such incredible safety valves for both carson beck and stetson bennett that losing both of them will will create some sort of arrhythmic situation on offense that they can't figure out if they're down four with three and a half minutes left that they don't have a go-to guy in those big moments as good as what is it oscar delp or colby young or whoever steps up for the for the georgia offense you would have to believe that um and i don't i think there's just too many ways for them to win um so i think that's the lie
Starting point is 00:38:00 even with that schedule i think that's like previously on ge with that schedule, I think that's the – like, previously on Georgia Ole Miss, they beat them by 73 points, right? Last year? Yeah. That's on the last episode. So we're going to have to close that gap significantly if you're going to believe in Ole Miss this year. Same quarterback, same head coach, and I like Ole Miss this year a good deal. But, like, we've seen that chess match between Kirby Smart and Lane Kiffin,
Starting point is 00:38:24 and it did not necessarily. We've seen Georgia and Alabama. Now Nick Saban's not there. That's true. We've seen Georgia and Alabama too. And do we not believe Texas has one of the better rosters in the country? I think we do. We'll see on the defensive line.
Starting point is 00:38:39 We'll see. That's what I'm saying is these teams are going to be very close to Georgia. It's not really a knock against Georgia. Fair. It is the fact that Georgia has to play these monsters on the road and nobody else has to do anything like that. Like, yes, Florida's got a really tough schedule. Yes, Mississippi State has a tough schedule. Georgia Tech got screwed in the acc if we're talking about schedule difficulty but nobody else has a road gauntlet like this and actually even though in his styles make fight sense like georgia of course georgia is going to beat kentucky because kentucky's just trying to be georgia but without as good of players as georgia has in fact starting several of georgia's players who couldn't start at georgia right like i'm not worried about that one but at
Starting point is 00:39:32 kentucky's not an easy game no well it's easy for georgia yeah i was gonna say it's easier for georgia than most um yeah i it when you look at this, I still think, and I go back to all my Breaking Bad references, that Georgia's still the one who knocks, right? That if you're saying who's more worried, Steve Sarkeesian or Kirby Smart, it's Steve Sarkeesian. Steve Sarkeesian is on a losing streak to
Starting point is 00:39:57 a Pac-12 team right now. And I love the Pac-12, and rest in peace. But goes down to Washington and with a superior roster. That's a Big Ten team, Dan. I don't know if you heard. Now, at the time of Pac-12 and rest in peace. But goes down to Washington and with a superior roster. That's a Big Ten team, Dan. I don't know if you heard. At the time. Did you check the medal count? I know. That's true. The Big Ten Network is airing
Starting point is 00:40:13 classic Big Ten games and it's like the 1997 Civil War or whatever, which is kind of funny. Yeah, I still think George is the one who instills more fear and there is something about steve sarkisian in big games that gives me pause in this and that's going to be an enormous game it's relatively early right the georgia texas game in the schedule no it's halfway through okay
Starting point is 00:40:38 mid-season yeah and it's it's they have a buy before the cocktail party, I believe. They do. They have a bye after the Texas game. So it's not a horrible time in their schedule. Yeah, I still think, you know, until proven otherwise, Georgia's just won close games, won big games. We call them crockpot games where they just slowly pull away and slowly cook an opponent. Like, I don't know. I think they're built to withstand when they've recruited like this
Starting point is 00:41:06 and they get the portal guys that they've gotten like this. Well, I'm very excited about this because I do think the SEC is going to be very different. The championship game when the Texas or Oklahoma make the SEC title game, I feel like that's the easiest lie for me to take if I'm going to say Georgia is going to lose two road games, which I'm not convinced of that, but I do think it's a real possibility much more than you guys do.
Starting point is 00:41:32 And I will say this. I think Texas Ole Miss or Tennessee makes the sec title game because of the way their schedule shake out. Yeah. I think the other teams have much like alabama georgia their road is going to be very difficult yeah it's and it's never been a better year to sort of be texas entering in a new into a new conference and i actually felt this way about usc too right with usc schedule ucla washington
Starting point is 00:42:03 missing oregon like that's a great advantage situation and when you look at where the SEC is this year new coach at Alabama still big questions about how much better LSU's defense can get what does Texas A&M going to look like in year one like it feels more wide open than it I think it looks on its face so I face. So I don't hate that. Speaking of championship games, the one that I feel like is the most unpredictable because the league is the most unpredictable is the big 12. So let me, let me give you three big 12 statements and let's, let's have some fun with this because I do think this is going to be the biggest choose your own adventure league that we've seen in a long time. So statement number one, Colorado will make a bowl game because I just got to get your hot take on that. Statement two, at least one of the following teams will make the Big 12 title game.
Starting point is 00:42:58 Kansas State, Utah or Oklahoma State. Statement three, at least one of the following teams will make the Big 12 title game. UCF, TCU, West Virginia. All right, so Colorado will make a bowl game. That is true. At least one of Kansas State, Utah, and Oklahoma State will make the Big 12 title.
Starting point is 00:43:23 That is also true. I think it's going to be Utah and Oklahoma State personally, but there 12 title. That is also true. I think it's going to be Utah and Oklahoma State personally, but there's a case for K-State as well. That's also true. The one that is not true is either UCF, West Virginia, or TCU making that title game. All three teams are worthy for being in this question. I understand why you put them there.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Also, bear in mind, the reason that this is kind of a controversial thing to even talk about, West Virginia is a six and a half over under. Both TCU and UCF are seven and a half over under. So there are serious questions about all three of these schools. The good news for West Virginia, for as much as I like West Virginia and their offense, and I think their defense can improve as well. The good news is they don't play Utah, which I think stands to benefit. Sure. The bad news is they play literally everybody else.
Starting point is 00:44:14 All right. So I'm kind of throwing them out of this conversation. I also intentionally left a kind of co-favorite out of those. Yes. For a reason. I did not put Arizona in there for a reason there's more to give myself some wiggle room that's right no i i noticed that as well the ucf thing i mean i have baggage with ted roof running penn state's defense go back a decade i never got
Starting point is 00:44:39 over that so the fact that they bring him in now to fix the defense even though he's got a track record for doing well against the run i'm out on ucf though i think they're going to be loaded on offense and and tcu i just don't know directionally which way that program is headed um there's not a lot that i look at on tcu and i say i'm afraid of that guy or i'm afraid of that unit in particular so for me too many questions about those three teams. I think that's the lie. I'm going to agree with Ty. But I have been prone to being seduced by KJ Jefferson,
Starting point is 00:45:12 especially with a good offensive mind. I don't know. Having the receivers that he'll have this year at UCF is definitely a more advantaged place than he's been at Arkansas these past couple years. And so I can squint and talk myself in, but the back half of that schedule is pretty brutal if you don't have a defense in place.
Starting point is 00:45:30 I think five of their six final games are legit challenging. So, yeah, what do we have here? Iowa State on the road, Arizona. Well, Arizona State not, but at West Virginia, Utah. So four of those. You're at West Virginia and at Iowa State, both tough. You got to play Arizona. Colorado comes to you. Utah comes to you. Yeah. If UCF gets there, they earned it. Yeah. Not only do they earn it, but I think it signifies that the defense does improve.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Let me say this about UCF, regardless of whether they make this title game, that schedule that we just saw, that figures to be a hell of a TV show because their offense is going to be loaded. It's still a Gus Malzahn offense who knows how to work with the likes of a KJ Jefferson type and with exciting ground options like RJ Harvey, they're going to put up a ton of points. It stands to reason they could play
Starting point is 00:46:21 in a lot of shootouts this year. It'll be good TV. It might be frustrating if you're a UCF fan, but they will play in a lot of shootouts this year. It'll be good TV. It might be frustrating if you're a UCF fan, but they will be in a lot of those games, and they'll at least make it fun to watch from afar. Could be the nail in the Billy Napier coffin as well. Well, visit from Coach Prime in Orlando to trip to Gainesville the following week.
Starting point is 00:46:40 A lot going on in that eight-day stretch for UCF. I think, by the way, regarding Colorado, I think they're going to be improved. There's always a chance that Colorado completely collapses. I don't think they have the depth to have a crazy improvement this year, but I think they'll have enough offensive pop. The competence on the offensive line can only get better. Shura Sanders, one of the most sacked quarterbacks in college football last year, added legit talent on the defensive line. I don't think they have the depth right i don't think they have the star power at as many position groups as you need to win like nine games even in like a what
Starting point is 00:47:13 seems to be a pretty wide open big 12 but yeah one of my best bets of the year is i think colorado is going to be great against north dakota state in week one and people are like talking themselves like oh north dakota state like i don't know. They lost their head coach. Their defense took a pretty big step back last year. North Dakota State isn't where they were under David Braun leaving before last season. Matt Ence leaving before. That matters.
Starting point is 00:47:36 And also South Dakota State is the team that's been winning in the SES. Now they lost a lot too. They play Oklahoma State week one. That's a fun game too. Lost their offensive coordinator to David Braun. Exactly. Exactly. All right here.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Well, let's general in general, the conferences, because so much is changing with the conferences. So this, this one will be fun. A team will win a conference in its first year in its new league. The national champion will not play in a conference title game
Starting point is 00:48:10 i see ty's eyes getting wide there go irish continue at least two power conference title games will be rematches of regular season games oh man this may all be true by the way yeah i was gonna say three possible they're all true all three are very possible i'm really high on utah winning the big 12 i think there's a chance we get three rematches in conference title games those being georgia texas in the sec oregon ohio state in the big 10 utah oklahoma in the Big 12. So just by process of elimination, Andy, the national champion not playing for a conference title game, I think is my answer.
Starting point is 00:48:51 I would just like to emphasize this point though, more to the case that all of these are very possible. If we just use like the NFL as a rough example, the NFL added wild cards to its playoff system back in the seventies, a wild card team has won the super bowl seven times, right? Also there have been 11 entrance in the super bowl from that wild card round of the playoff. So if we use that as any kind of guide, not winning a thing, but still finding a way into the playoff, you can have a lot of success. I look at that matchup, that five 12 matchup in the very early part of the playoff. You can have a lot of success. I look at that matchup, that 5-12 matchup
Starting point is 00:49:27 in the very early part of the playoff, in the first round of the playoff, where it's presumably a group of five team against the next best power conference team. I could see that team going on a bit of a run, beating the G5 team, beating the top four team in the country and finding their way into. Well, remember, number four might not be
Starting point is 00:49:43 the fourth ranked team in the country. Number four could be the 12th ranked team for all we know yeah so that that's an advantageous spot um depending on who the number five seeded team is in this playoff um so again process of elimination i'm gonna say national champion will not play in a conference championship game is well and you mentioned seven seven super bowl champions from the wild cards in since the 70s that actually tells you that this probably is the lie the the national champion will not play in a conference subtle game like because the teams that make the sec and the big 10 title games and that's where most of us are presuming the national champion will come from like they did they were the best
Starting point is 00:50:32 of those very difficult conferences so the chances of when them winning the national title are much better still so this is uh but it will be fascinating to watch that all play out because we don't yet know how any of it's going to play out. Like I said earlier, we still won't have the tiebreakers, which they have to tell us at some point in the next week and a half. Yeah, and by the way, just with deeper conferences, right? Like you mentioned like a potential like Oregon, Ohio State, Iowa, three-way, Minaj, whatever at the top, that you can have a really good team not make the conference title game because we just have
Starting point is 00:51:09 deeper conferences. And the other wild card here, no pun intended, is injury. That you could have like Will Howard gets injured near the end of the year and they lose something dumb and they don't end up there. But with extra time to get healthy and to figure things out,
Starting point is 00:51:27 Ohio State goes 10-2. They don't make the championship game, but he gets healthy and is a difference maker as they win an opening round playoff game and get hot at the right time. It's not exactly baseball like with the getting hot at the right time. It's do you have the depth to weather a deeper playoff? But some of those teams at the top absolutely do, even if they don't play in the conference title game and get a week off to
Starting point is 00:51:49 get healthier, not playing in that conference title game. Well, and I brought up the, the Texas A&M 2012 team. Like that was a team that grew and developed over the course of the year. You didn't want to play them at the end of the year. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:00 They lost their two games at the beginning of the year and, you know, beat the eventual national champ on the road. Nobody would have wanted to see them in the playoff like 2007 georgia nobody would want to see them in the playoff so that's that's where it gets interesting because you can grow and change over the year as well let's go to the heisman trophy let's listen to the heisman trophy because this this The dynamics of this has changed a little bit. The Heisman Trophy winner will be a transfer quarterback. A true freshman will be a Heisman Trophy finalist.
Starting point is 00:52:36 The Heisman Trophy winner will play in the Big Ten or the SEC. Man. Okay. So the true freshman one i think you're basically banking on dylan raiola jeremiah smith am i missing colman maybe yeah um transfer qb is not terribly difficult because of i guess dylan gabriel will howard like there's enough of those names at big schools that will get enough attention that if they're great, everybody will see it.
Starting point is 00:53:07 But what we don't have this year is that second year in the system transfer. Like last year, the three finalists were all second year in the system transfers. Yeah. And we don't have the obvious ones of those, because that's like Peyton Thorne, Mertz this year it's not as obvious now the Dylan Gabriel thing because Dylan Gabriel is one of those guys last year put up huge numbers at Oklahoma I assume he's going to put up huge numbers at Oregon so he could be the transfer QB who wins the Heisman yeah and they'll have I'm you know you go through there's a million players
Starting point is 00:53:41 here to consider but especially that first half of the year, if you have a signature win before like mid-October and you're at a big place, you're going to be on everybody's radar. So I think the lie is going to be a true freshman being a Heisman finalist just because I think the barrier for something like that is too tall to do it over 12, 13 games. It's so obvious you just have to invite this person to New York as a, you know, 17, 18 year old. Yeah. I am not above betting on Dylan Royola at 90 to one,
Starting point is 00:54:13 just a few shekels, Andy, like just sure. Those are tall odds or Julian saying at a hundred to one, maybe we'll Howard goes down. I hope he doesn't, but you know, that would be the scenario that would, uh, would bring that into play. I agree with Dan. I think that's got to be the lie of these three things here. The Big Ten and the SEC, it stands to reason, are going to be in the greatest focus this season. Probably will have the most teams in the playoff this season.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Lord knows there are enough options at transfer quarterback, like Dan said, but not as many names that we could truly consider for that true freshman as a Heisman. Is it JJ Smith, by the way, or Jeremiah Smith? His friends call him JJ. His name on his birth certificate is Jeremiah. We have not gotten a ruling from him on what he'd prefer, but the folks who know him call him JJ.
Starting point is 00:55:04 So he's he's gonna be really good that that's that's the one i'm excited about and but the question is like do we feel like if he's the difference if he's the the key and i don't know if that's going to be the case because they obviously have a mecca buca still in carnal tate but like with davante smith we correctly realized in 2020 he was the reason yeah at alabama i don't know that we realized that with kyle pitts at florida same year even though that was also the case but davante smith was the reason and that can happen with a receiver we just you know davante smith was four years in or whatever, though. Yeah, exactly. And and he had led Alabama in receiving the year before. It's despite other first rounders being in the receiver room.
Starting point is 00:55:51 So, yes, it's going to be very interesting to see how that shakes out. I think it might be the transfer QB one might be the live. Dylan Gabriel is the one that feels obvious there. But you also have a year where you have like Carson Beck, who is a homegrown guy. Garrett Nussmeyer waits his turn, takes over to LSU, that sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:56:09 So there's a good chance. It could be somebody who, who hasn't transferred yet. So Nico, Nico, I'm so Nico. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:56:20 One more two truths in a lie before I let Dan and Ty go. Two truths and a tie. And of course, we saved the first 12-team playoff for last. Five SEC teams will make the playoff. Four Big Ten teams will make the playoff. Two ACC teams will make the playoff. Two ACC teams will make the playoff. Andy, I'm going to call out your graphic here. Uh-oh. That's based on my post-spring top 25, so that's got five SEC teams in there.
Starting point is 00:56:58 I see Michigan in there at number eight. You sure do. Michigan is not making this playoff. Michigan is not making this playoff. Oh, all right. They are not making this playoff. Clip that, River, clip it. This is me saying that four Big Ten teams are not making this playoff, all right? Go back to what I said before. I'm on Miami.
Starting point is 00:57:18 I'm on Clemson out of the ACC. I think it's possible. Oh, we got two, okay. I think it's possible we get five SEC teams sneaking into the playoff. That fifth team is who? Probably LSU or Tennessee. Missouri. Somebody. Yeah. Somebody, right? What I don't see though is the fourth team from the Big Ten making it in. When we talk through our Big Ten preview on our show, we did our contender tiers. And I'm sure you've done this as well. There's a pretty good drop-off after you go through Ohio State and Oregon
Starting point is 00:57:47 and Penn State and Michigan. Those are your top four. The next best are probably USC, who we talked about USC. Are they going to finish? Iowa! Schedule! Yeah, or Iowa, right?
Starting point is 00:57:59 Yeah. But this one's the lie for me because I don't think Michigan is getting in. Not with Texas on the schedule, not with Oregon on the schedule, not with Oregon on the schedule, not with Ohio State on the schedule. I think all three of those teams are better than Michigan. Michigan will be very good.
Starting point is 00:58:11 They will have very good defense. They will find a way to win a bunch of games. But I think we start the conversation at 9-3 given that schedule, and I don't think 9-3 is getting you in the playoff. So mark me down as four big 10 teams making the playoff as my lie i think it's the five sec one i think because the sec i mean look all of these conferences at this moment are wide open but there is something this is the cynical part of my brain for sure but the narrative after the playoff selection last year was that the playoff
Starting point is 00:58:40 is rigged for the sec specifically right that? That Florida State doesn't make it in and everything is rigged for the SEC. I don't think that's true, but I think if the committee has an opportunity to course correct on the margins, I don't think they want to give a team five playoff births in year one of an expanded playoff, especially when it's going to 14 anyway in a couple of years
Starting point is 00:59:02 and we're not going to be having that same conversation in the same way about how many teams from this conference, how many teams from that conference as it gets bigger and bigger. So that to me is going to be my cynical lie that the SEC is going to get five teams in. And whether it's the Big 12 getting a second, whether the ACC getting a second, I think there is going to be an unspoken or a secretly spoken edict to spread the wealth as much as possible. See, I don't think they think that way. I don't think they vote that way.
Starting point is 00:59:31 It's a very cynical view, but yeah. I think it's two ACC teams making the playoff. I think that's the lie. They are stronger at the top like i can see that over two big 12 teams because i can see it being florida state miami florida state clemson uh miami nc state nc state florida however you want to divvy it up i can see that it being a fairly top heavy league that may have two teams that get the acc championship game and they're both 11 and one or one's 11 and one one's 10 and two and the 10 and two team wins getting the automatic bid and the 11 and one team is an at-large or the 11 and two team is an at-large
Starting point is 01:00:11 i can see that but i can also see a situation where there's a really good team that's like 11 and one that plays a nine and three team in the conference championship game beats them and that's that's all there is to it right so we'll find out but i i think it's the the two acc teams making the playoff is the lie the tie if you will very confusing gentlemen this has been wonderful oh pleasure is all ours all of our wrong don't know that we solved anything no i am more pumped up than i was before and i was already very pumped up because this is just going to be so exciting to see all of this play out in real time my brain is scrambled and the season hasn't even started yet thinking about different possibilities and combinations of teams that i have to be thinking about all of the time
Starting point is 01:01:04 so this is a really good primer thank you i I went through when you sent these questions to us a little bit in advance, Andy, and in the notes app on my phone, I was trying to jot down who my 12 playoff teams are going to be, you know, with knowledge and rules and who gets in and who doesn't. And I kept coming up with 14. And just when I thought I had 12, I was like, oh, I still have 13. It's really hard to get like we know generally who the teams are that are going to be part of this conversation. But when you I would encourage everybody out there to go do the same thing on your phone, open up the notes app and try to list out 12. It's it's a little bit harder as you get towards the bottom than you think. Do the Ralph Russo game.
Starting point is 01:01:44 So this he sent this to me last week when the AP poll came out. And it's fascinating because it's based on the last 10 years of college football playoff final rankings versus the AP preseason poll. The best way to figure it out based on how these things have shaken out through the years is you take four of the five AP preseason top 25, two from six through 10, two from six through 10,
Starting point is 01:02:06 two from 11 through 20, one from 21 through 25, and three unranked. You do that, things start getting real weird real fast. Yeah, indeed. There's my projection based on that. I've got Iowa in the playoff.
Starting point is 01:02:23 I've got West Virginia, UCF, Tennessee. It gets crazy. Wouldn't that be awesome, though, to have a UCF in the playoffs? It'd be amazing. After years of trying to shoulder their way into the power conference conversation to get in, then to get, hey, who knows? Stranger things have happened, and we know the big 12 is wide open so i'm not rooting against i don't think it's likely but i think just the possibility that we're
Starting point is 01:02:49 talking about teams like ucf app state like schools that typically are not part of this conversation now being part of it i think notre dame of itself these schools being part of that conversation is is reason enough to feel energized about the new year. Yes. With apologies to Kevin Garnett. Anything is possible. Gentlemen. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:03:12 I'll be seeing you on your show very, very soon. Come on over. That is the great Dan Rubenstein and Ty Hildebrandt, the founders of the Solid Verbal Podcast, the pioneers of this entire genre. These college football shows, they started this. We're just trying to carry it on, though I will recommend you listen to their show as well, watch their show as well. There's room for all of us here. This is going to be a fun season this is going to be so much fun i mean when i get done with this show i'm uh i'm gonna interview somebody in dublin
Starting point is 01:03:56 that's right that's right jeff cameron from war chant our friend jeff cameron covers florida state he's in dublin already we're gonna talk to him for tomorrow's show about the Seminoles as they prepare to face Georgia Tech in Ireland on Saturday in a real game. We're so close. We're so close. By the way, as we're planning on things that are happening off in the future, let's get those Dear Andy questions in. Thursday is a Dear Andy show.
Starting point is 01:04:26 We also have a Dear Andy column for those of you who want to goof off at work in a more silent fashion. So get me those questions. Andy underscore staples on X. Andy underscore staples on Instagram. Andy staples on three at gmail.com for a particularly epic question
Starting point is 01:04:42 or if you don't want to ask it on social media or you want to send me a video, all of these are options available to you. I know you have great questions because you give them to me every week. And it's the most fun day of my week on Thursdays when I get to answer those questions. So send them in and, uh, get ready, guys. We're only a scant four and a half days away from actual football right there. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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