Andy & Ari On3 - College Football Week 11 INSTANT REACTION | Indiana SURVIVES Penn State | Alabama holds off LSU

Episode Date: November 9, 2025

Join Andy & Ari LIVE following all of the action on Saturday night to recap the entirety of the Week 11 slate of College Football. A jam packed Saturday to unpack, and Andy & Ari have you covered right here. Games include.... (0:00) On Tonight's Instant Reaction(0:36) BetMGM(2:20) Intro: Week 11 Instant Reaction(4:54) Indiana 27, Penn State 24(11:18) Texas A&M 38, Missouri 17(14:10) CFP Scenarios: UConn 37, Duke 34(18:09) Wake Forest 16, Virginia 9(18:46) Cal 29, Louisville 26 (OT)(23:00) Rest of the ACC's(24:07) Oregon 18, Iowa 16(28:00) USC 38, Northwestern 17(30:48) Notre Dame 49, Navy 10(37:47) Texas Tech 29, BYU 7(42:29) Kentucky 38, Florida 7(48:29) Wisconsin 13, Washington 10(53:51) Nebraska-UCLA LIVE(55:04) Alabama 20, LSU 9(57:04) Vanderbilt 45, Auburn 38 (OT)(1:00:40) Ohio State 34, Purdue 10(1:03:30) Tulane 38, Memphis 32(1:06:05) YouTube TV(1:11:15) Projected CFP Bracket(1:12:52) Ari's favorite segment(1:15:07) Clemson 24, Florida State 10(1:20:00) Conclusion     A huge show you won't want to miss! Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. This show is also sponsored by Modelo! Some things in life are just made for each other. Peanut Butter and jelly. Macaroni andcheese. Modelo and college football. If you’re watching this, it means you live and breathe football. All season long. You know what that makes you? A Full-Time Fan. Which means you deserve a Modelo. Because football wouldn’t be the same without you. Modelo is the official beer sponsor of The College Football Playoff. Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Subscribe to On3!  ⬇️ youtube.com/on3sports/?sub_confirmati...Welcome to On3 | The best of college football and recruiting https://www.on3.com/ Listen to Andy & Ari On3 on podcast! Spotify 🎧: https://open.spotify.com/show/5AhQ4d2m5TQu5Q2vkwtxjt?si=d9016221aa2a4427 Apple 🍎: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/andy-staples-on3/id1695325427 Follow Andy Staples on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples Follow Andy Staples on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andy_staples Follow Ari Wasserman on Twitter: https://x.com/AriWasserman Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/on3sports Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/on3/ Like/Follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/On3Sports/ Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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things to talk about. This is one of those weekends where we came into the weekend and we're like, huh, this doesn't look like a sexy slate at all. I think. Tell me if I'm wrong here. There are more interesting individual results from this Saturday than there have been on any Saturday all season. Oh, man, that's an interesting thought. There aren't any huge earth-shattering ones. Yeah. I mean, interesting results. I don't know that I would. go as far as that this is the most jam-packed of any weekend because there wasn't anything shocking. I feel like shocking is more interesting than chalk. This is a pretty chalky day. I know there was a few teams in the ACC that lost that opens up a pretty

crazy ACC race down the stretch. I thought it was a revelatory Saturday, and it doesn't have to be crazy upsets to learn more and more information about the teams. You know, we are now heading into mid-November, and we're starting to get closer to trying to crystallize what this postseason is going to look like. And there were a lot of results that I think helped you understand things. Like in the Big 12, we got a pretty big result in the morning that I think, you know, kind of tells the story of that conference. The ACC is a mess. So from that standpoint, I do think that, you know, you might be on to something there. And we learn something about Indiana and we learned something about Oregon. We learn something more about Texas A&M.

Right. And it's more confirmation of what we were thinking or what we may have been nervous to commit to. And I think that that's good. Like that, that Iowa game, you've listened to our show all week. I didn't see that result in that game coming. You certainly did. You were floating into Iowa City with the weather clouds. You were, you were on it. But I think that we learned a lot about Oregon. I think we learned a lot about Georgia. Georgia was a team that Tyler Shoemaker had earlier on in the week as a, you know, a fade team, you know, playing Mississippi State. They won. pretty comfortably. What does that say about? Destroyed them.

It wasn't even a game. And I think that Georgia's been a team that I found is pretty easy to fade. They came into the weekend losing or almost losing three in a row. You know, this could be a spot where they finally trip up. In fact, no, it's the exact opposite. They show dominance. Notre Dame had another dominant win. I think that there's a lot to unpack here tonight, Andy. I agree. Let's start with the two really exciting finishes in the Big Ten, because those are the ones that could have really shaken up the rankings, but didn't. You've got Penn State coming back, taking the lead against Indiana, and basically, you've got Joel Clatt and Gus Johnson saying, well, if Fernando Mendoza is going to have a Heisman

moment, this would be the time to do it. And oh my God, did he ever have a drive for the ages? And the Omar Cooper catch at the end of the game is one of the best catches I have ever seen in my life. I still to this day, you know, being a, you know, moderately overweight gentleman myself, I've never understood how these human beings contort their bodies in the air like that. It almost feels like the matrixe, you know, like he's like floating out of bounds and somehow has enough body control while in mid air to get a foot down. And if he was an inch away, it would have been an incomplete pass. And I am kind of like amused by this, Andy, because on one hand, like, yeah, that was Fernando Mendoza's moment. But like, he made the second most impressed.

play in the most impressive play of the game. Like the Heisman moment, you should go to Omar Cooper. That was unbelievable. There was another great throw and catch a couple of plays before that on the sideline. That was one of those thrown in the only place you could throw it, but unbelievably caught, if that makes sense.

Yes. I think that he has already been pretty high up on the Heisman rankings, and I think that it's certainly rational. If you think heading into November that he should be number one, after that. Now, let me ask you this about this game. I want you to play a game with me called Is Ari a disgusting hypocrite? Okay. I wrote a column and, you know, we were texting. I felt that that was an impressive win for Indiana because Indiana was in a position where it blew out 85% of the teams that had played this year, Andy. Finally was playing a semi to very talented

team. It was losing by four in the final minutes of the game on the road in one of the most difficult environments to play in the country and they marched down the field and took that win away. And I got a lot of people saying, hey, you know, Georgia plays Florida close and the SEC is a fraud. They play this team close in the SEC and they're a fraud. What is your takeaway from the Indiana win? Is your Indiana win like, wow, that was impressive because they won in a way that we haven't really seen them win against the team that has maybe the second most NFL talent on an individual roster in the Big Ten, regardless of how terrible there's. season is going, or was that a wake-up call that Indiana isn't quite as bulletproof as we've

been making them out to be in the show? How did you digest that game? Oh, I'm dropping them below Texas A&M in my projected playoff. Okay. Okay, so you're going to Texas A&M has had a close game. They had a three-point win in Arkansas. Yeah. But Texas A&M also has a road win at Notre Dame and a very impressive road win just now at Missouri and so yeah I still think Indiana is really good but that is like we watched Penn State against Ohio State last week we did as as impressive as that crowd is in Happy Valley it's not that big of a difference point wise if we if we're supposed to think Indiana and Ohio State are somehow equal now Indiana and Oregon are very similar right down to they both went to Iowa, and the same thing happened to them.

Yeah. In bad way, well, this was bad weather for Oregon, but same thing. Very close game. Now, I don't think it matters because they're all going to have to play each other in the playoff eventually. It's low stage. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, if you're going to say that about Georgia, you have to say the same thing about Indiana.

Right. Except it happened to Georgia a lot. it happened to Georgia twice three times in a row what was the third time what were the two that you're referring to and I'll tell you in Florida Auburn I think was a pretty close call

I guess so I mean it didn't feel that close to the second half the second half they blew them out so I guess that's the draw you can you can digest that any way you want but yeah so but like then I saw what Georgia did today and it's like oh God like I'm an idiot forever doubting them again like who what idiot doubts Kirby Smart

But that's the thing. They're going to do this and this and this. I mean, Indiana is in the same thing. Like, Indiana has blown teams out, and they have played Iowa and Penn State now close. And that is just going to be the rhythm of the season. Like, that happens to everybody. Have it, like, been working through these emotions today, Andy. And I think it's possible, and I'm willing to admit this, that my opinion of the SEC has actually been more harsh than it should be.

because I still am viewing the sport from a bold version prism. And I'm thinking that a team has to be, like, dominant week in and week out, the way that Indiana and Ohio State have to been great, to be great. And I think that the truth is, is that teams are just going to struggle. And teams struggle. They are. And like the Big Ten is going to get more like that as the years go by. It's just not, it's not in the same place the SEC is right now, but it's going to get there.

And, you know, as far as the SEC goes, I don't know that you've been too hard. I think we need to see that the SEC teams play in the postseason. And the one thing with the SEC, too, that I really don't, and maybe I've been misunderstood or maybe I've communicated poorly, Andy, is that my point has never been that the SEC is worse than the Big Ten. It's that the SEC is propped up in a legendary way that they may not be worthy of in the moment, which I think is a fair question to ask. And, you know, if you want to tell me...

I don't think it's really propped up that much. anymore so yeah i mean i mean i think everybody says this now exactly what you're saying i i do feel who's not saying that like beating missouri feels more important than it would be to beat washington even though that they are to one spot ahead washington we'll talk about that so beating wisconsin beating was beating Washington might not actually mean much yeah but now beating Missou might not mean much. You know, like, they also... And that's the thing, like, Matt Zollars,

Mizzou versus Boprubula, Mizzou, could be very different. His numbers were not great. But I guess here's the actual reality of it, Andy. Ohio State and Indiana have looked dominant in a way that most teams in the SEC haven't. Texas A&M, I think you could make the case

and you made it that they should be number two with what they did. And they were on the road at Mizzu, and that was a classic Aggie trip-up spot, and they emptied another stadium. Like, they are, like and I made this joke on Twitter like the the Texas A&M Aggies guys mathematically cannot finish eight and four that's right let's let's take a moment 84's off the table baby nine and four is still there if things went completely off

the rails and I hate to put that evil on you that's not going to happen losing to Sanford at this point so yeah but they are going to be a 10 win team this year so let's take a moment to at least congratulate Mike Elko for a job well done I don't know where this is headed I don't know how good A&M actually is in terms of, is this a national title contender? My thought processes that they are. But at the very least, you know, we always talk about building college football programs and the terms of like stepping stones and like you've got to do X, Y, and Z before you get

to the prize. And like, Elko hopped over those. Like, they didn't have a 10-win season before they made a playoff run. Like, they are hopping over the 10-win season and going right in the playoff run, potentially. Yeah. So, you know, they are a really good team and, you know, they were dominant once again. Now, I get it. They didn't have their quarterback, Mizzou.

but nobody I mean that wasn't close so you know and we've seen like we're watching a freshman quarterback at Nebraska play really well like Zollars was a big time recruit so it's not like they probably had something to do with him struggling sure good and their offense is good what's their weakness what's their like overt weakness that they have not shown one They in Ohio State have not shown one yet. And those can pop up, you know, we might not know it yet. Notre Dame scored a ton on them, but Notre Dame's offense is really good. Like, I don't think that means that Texas A&M's defense is a weakness.

I think it just means they played against a team that has a very high-powered offense. So I, yeah, I think this is going to be really interesting. And I'm going to struggle and I'm going to need your help because I've got to do the projected playoff. Yeah. And it's getting tricky. isn't it? I kind of want to do it. I would like to just project it the way I think it will end up, but I think that will, because you know what, you know how most people consume that story. You don't read the story. They just see the graphic. And well, they want people like, they want your graphic to reflect what just happened and what has already happened, not what you think is going to happen. Exactly. Because if I'm trying to accurately predict what the field will really look like, then.

I can't, either I have Texas above Georgia or I don't have Texas in it at all. Like, let's say you wanted to move Texas up because some teams like BYU lost and you wanted to put somebody else in there. Okay, so in real life, the only way Texas makes it is by beating Georgia and Texas A&M, which would change where Georgia and Texas A&M are ranked relative to Texas. I do wonder, and I don't know this, it's going to depend on how things shake out. if Texas can beat Georgia lose to A&M and make it in at 9 and 3. I wonder if that's, if we're going to be a 3rd and 3 loss team is on the table,

and can I throw another thing out there? Actually, it was in the chat before we got here from YJP. If the ACC champ is someone like a 9 and 4 Duke with losses to Yukon and Tulane, would not be too surprised as to the American champ and 12 and 1 San Diego State or James Madison make it over them. I think YJP is on to something here. I think there is a chance, and it is Duke winning the ACC, which is still possible. So Duke lost to Yukon today. That was the fourth loss for Duke this season, but they've only lost once in ACC play.

Joe Funiano from Yukon is a baller. 27 to 39, 311 yards, three touchdowns. He's been spectacular. Yukon's 7 and 3. Jim Moore is doing a hell of a job there. They have a, since last year, Ari, Drew, one of our dedicated, dedicated viewer slash listeners, sent me this email tonight. Since the start of last season, Yukon has three ACC wins. Florida State has two.

Yeah, Brett McMurphy tweeted this too. There's another part of this net. That's pretty wild. They have, Yukon has three ACC wins. yeah, Florida State has too. Sorry, I thought there was another team in there that I also was doing very poorly. No, no, no.

I repeated what you said. Andy, I don't know if I'm on board with two group of five teams are making it. Is 9 and 4 Duke making it? Let's say Sandio State is 12 and 1 is the Mountain West champ and then USF

at 11 and 2 is your American champ or Tulane at 11 and 2 is your American champ. You're putting 9. If it's Tulane, there's no way Duke's skitting in over Tulane. Not a shot. Duke does not win the ACC championship in this regard, right? Duke can win the ACC championship.

Well, I know, but Duke would take the one ACC champion spot because that would be... Duke would not make the playoff. It is not keep to the A.C. saying, oh, yeah, that would be wild. Yes. Yeah, okay, I was not thinking about that correctly because it doesn't happen. People think that they are guaranteed spots for the power conferences. They are not.

But I just assume that they will. I just assume that all the power champs will get in. And I think that's a pretty safe bet. If Duke goes on to win with four losses, then I would be very interested to know what the committee would do. I still think there would be a chance that they would get in because they won the ACC. especially with how competitive it is at the moment. But four losses. Competitive?

Is that the word we're using? I don't know. How many teams are five in one? There are five teams that are five in one? Oh, my God. What word are we using? Is it not competitive? Yeah, but the allegedly good teams are losing to the allegedly bad ones.

You want me to say that the ACC is top ass on the show for ratings because I'll do it. I think everybody's saying that anyway. I don't think you have to, you're not really going on a limb when you say that. So Virginia lived dangerously all season. Yep. They had no official ACC losses, even though they had lost to an ACC team in NC State, but that was a non-ACC game. Virginia lost tonight to Wake Forest.

And Wake Forest now bowl eligible, Jake Dickert, doing a great job. But Wake Forest got beat 42 to 7 by Florida State last week. Yeah. And they beat Virginia this week. These are very fun thought exercises. But the fact is, is that it's probably just. is going to be Georgia Tech and Pitt or something. Well, Pitt is in control now.

Louisville, the other, this is the other big ACC result. So Louisville and Cal go to overtime. Cal was in the lead for most of that game. Louisville comes back, ties it up. Louisville kicks a field goal in overtime. Cal gets down to fourth in goal, and instead of kicking a field goal and going to overtime number two, they're like, screw it.

We're going home, we're going home one way or the other. Nice simple love, bro. Yep. Yep. JKS makes the throw, touchdown. So Cal wins and Louisville now has two ACC losses, which Louisville had the tiebreaker over Pitt, which has won an ACC loss.

Pitt is the one that you got to watch out for because Pitt can do a lot right now. Pitt has games remaining against Georgia Tech, Notre Dame. Actually, I'll do it in order. Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and Miami. If Pitt wins its two ACC games, it doesn't have to beat Notre Dame. If it wins its two ACC games, Pitt is in the ACC championship game against Virginia, I think.

You think. Yeah, I don't know. You have to do the math. Or Duke, maybe. Maybe Duke, depending on what happens. Because Duke plays Virginia coming up. There's very different schools of thought on. this, which is, oh, my God, Pitt is a two-loss team with only one conference loss.

Holy crap, they're really good. Or Pitt is in this position because they have not played Georgia Tech or Miami yet. Like, I don't know which one it is. Basically, Pitt's season turned completely when Mason Hinchel became the starter. So Eli Holsey was a starter up through the Louisville game. In the Louisville game, it was looking very bleak. Things were looking bad. they went to Cole Gonzalez to finish the game

and then it was, you know, what's Pat and Arduzzi going to do for the BC game? He starts Mason Heinzsche. They have not lost since. And now they're one of the most interesting teams in college football because they are the toughest game Notre Dame has left. And of course, they play Georgia Tech in Miami,

so could very much influence who plays for the ACC championship or they will play for it. Pitts, ACC, ACC wins, BC, Florida State, Syracuse, NC State, Stanford. Not great, Bob. So, like, yeah, jury is still out there, but can somebody clear this up for me once and for all? Is Pat Narduzzi? Has he been on the hot seat at any point? Like, coming into the year, like, this guy keeps, like, because, like, last year they were 8-0, right?

Did they start 8-0 last year? 7-0, and then they lost the last month. They are a topic of conversation on our show every year in November. So Pat Narduzzi was. a very expensive to fire person. Okay. Last year at the end of last year, there was some, some rumbling, but they were never going to. It was, it would have been too expensive.

There was discontent after the Louisville game, but the way they've bounced back, I mean, they've been great. And they've got a freshman quarterback who, as long as they keep him, like, they should be in really good shape. Yeah. I mean, they had an awful year in 2023, so, like, I understand the frustration. But the last two years, they've been, well, actually, last year really

last year was a mirage like the they started off with wins against not necessarily good teams the best team they played in that stretch was Syracuse which had the worst game you can possibly imagine that was when Kyle McCord through like three pick sixes in the first half yes so it was a bit of mirage you like when they when they were going to play SMU you knew okay they're about to get exposed and they were but this season's been different. You don't see a lot of schedules that are green, seven in a row, and then red six in a row. Yeah. Winning seven in a row and losing six in a row in the same year is wild. But yeah, I'm kind of willing to hold out complete judgment until we see this young,

awesome freshman running back, I mean, quarterback, you know, whip it around against a good team. How do you say his name Heinzel? I'm afraid to say. Mason Heinzel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't watch him plays. He's got a, he's got a cannon. So Miami wins today. They're still in it. They played Syracuse. Syracuse still can't throw.

North Carolina won today. Another win for Bill Belichick. He beat Frank Reich, who I believe he beat in the NFL as well. I don't know how many times they played the NFL, but Frank Wright was the coach of the Colts and the Panthers while Bill was coached the Patriots. And they got Wake Forest next week on the road. They do. and that's a that's going to be a tough one for him because wake is wake's pretty good now the weight that played florida state they'll beat the weight that played virginia they will lose to yeah i mean

robbie ashford was out there playing like an absolute g tonight and they were throwing to sean purdy in there every once in a while too so this was this was such a crazy and they knew the acc was bound for this like these teams that were winning by the skin of their teeth were not going to keep doing it virginia it was the the chief one there like somebody was going to get them and that's what happened yes um but yeah acc is still drunk and we're here for it so let's move back to the big 10 uh we got to talk about oregon going to iowa it was brain that turned to snow right you had a 58 yard field goal in the in the cold driving rain from iowa you had a ninety three

three-yard touchdown drive from Iowa to take the lead, and then you had Dante Moore throwing a laser-guided missile that got Oregon into field goal range. That was, I've never seen a ball just like attach itself to the receiver's hand like that. Just the perfect, perfect ball placement. Yeah, there's a lot to unpack about this game. First of all, I picked, I didn't do my, my mulligan, even though Tyler Schumacher told me to.

And this is why you listen to experts when they call. come on the show. If you would have told me that Dante Moore would be 13 of 21 with an interception and 112 yards in this game, I would have thought exactly what just happened or a loss. So kudos to Oregon. And I also am very am. Well, I'll give you one in the, and if you had told me situation. If you had told me that Oregon would average 7.3 yards of carry.

and would need a game-winning field goal to get out of Iowa City, I would have wondered what the hell, like did a meteor hit. Yeah, I mean, that's great because they had 373 total yards of offense. They moved the ball the entire game. Now, is anybody going to just laugh at the irony that when Oregon flew into Midwest hell weather, that the difference in the game was a safety? Because the long snapper was off the first two snaps. First of all, the Iowa punter did a great job catching the first.

snap. Like that was the best catch anybody made all day there. And then the second snap was so far over his head. Like it was a miracle he got it out of bound, you know, out of the back of the end zone for safety. Evan in the chat says, Andy, you call this game to a tee besides the Iowa win. I did not predict an Iowa win. I predicted an Iowa cover and an Oregon win. So. Yeah. I think Oregon's an interesting team to try to analyze at the moment because obviously their signature win against Penn State is not going to carry much weight anymore, especially now that Penn State's lost, what, five or six in a row? Is it five in a row?

Six in a row. Their one loss is a 10-point loss at home to Indiana, which I think we can understand. But, you know, does this win tell you that Oregon is a gritty team who can win in multiple ways? Like we discussed during the show in the middle of the week. I would say this does tell me that. What we haven't seen is Oregon dominates somebody pretty good. No, Rutgers, but I don't know if that counts.

Yeah, it doesn't. Though they did beat Maryland today. You know, it is funny that you say that because I'm looking back. I've watched most of their games, all their games this year. You know, they beat Montana State. It doesn't mean anything. They did beat Oklahoma State 69 to 3, but Mike Gundy did talk to. That also doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't mean anything. Northwestern, they controlled and were covering for a while, but really didn't blow them out in a way that was like Northwestern had to tap out. Oregon State, they beat 41 to 7 again, might not. mean much. Penn State beat them in overtime, lost Indiana, Rutgers 5610, but Wisconsin and Iowa the last two weeks, 21-7, and then 18, 16 today. I think that in order to be viewed as a scary postseason team, people want to see eye test stuff. But, you know, Oregon's not out of the woods, man. They've got USC at home and they've got Washington on the road to end

the year, both of which are in the, I guess Washington will be dropping out after today. but yeah but what we still has six wins already uh brend in the chat says u sc has a real opportunity now USC does have an opportunity now USC also has to be very careful of iowa because they've got to play iowa but uh usc beat northwestern 3817 on friday jade myava made one of the plays of the weekend in this game he throws an interception it looks like it's going to be a pick six he makes the tackle forces of fumble and the ball goes through the end zone and like USC was going to go down 2114 on that one and that might have been the playing here yeah changed the entire tone of the game king miller has a huge run right after that

and USC goes on to you know off the races and wins the game but that said USC still got to play Iowa and Oregon people are you know what brend says USC has an opportunity against Iowa, excuse me, against Oregon, I think USC needs to worry about Iowa. Yeah, well, USC also has the fortune, if I'm not mistaken, of playing Iowa at home. They do. They do not have to deal with this weather. It's next week, it's a 3.30 p.m. Eastern, so 12.30 p.m. local kickoff should be beautiful weather.

Yeah. So if USC wins their next two games, they're in the playoff, right? they got to be UCLA too but yes that that would be three games yep they they would definitely be in they would have the wins it would be there would be no issue in fact

I think they'd probably be like the eight or nine seat what would the wins be they'd be Michigan and Oregon in Iowa Iowa Iowa will not be ranked if that happens though that's true I was probably going to be eight and four if that happens but I will drop out of the poll this week and then if they lose a second one

they won't sniff the poll again Yeah, it'll be Michigan. The Nebraska win might look pretty good. We'll see how they wind up. This is one question that I really don't know the answer to because the college football playoff committee only ranks 25 teams. But do teams still get credit? Yes.

Because we know why it was a pretty good team. They look at strength of schedule. They look at the strength of record metric, which is what would an average top 25 team do against this schedule. So all of that matters. So, like, if Iowa and Nebraska both end up at eight and four, and USC has beaten them both, they'll get credit for that. Yeah. And this is really good news for Notre Dame, too, by the way.

Yes. If USC keeps winning and climbs itself up into the top 13, top 12, that's a feather in Notre Dame's cap that they don't currently possess, although it's still a quality win. You want that to be as sexy of a win as possible. I don't think Notre Dame has anything to worry about. I think the committee told us that. Just beat it, went out. I'm very curious with Notre Dame.

And we've beaten this shit out of this topic this week, so I don't want to overdo it. Well, the Notre Dame people think we hate them. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter which teams were in that situation. It happened to be Notre Dame in Miami.

We would have said the same thing. When you ignore the results of a head-to-head for two teams that have similar resumes in the same record, like why did you bother play in the game why didn't you simulate it so we're going to say that it's not it's nothing personal against notre dame we were going to say that if they did that and they did that but it's one of the rare times where i have taken a beating on social media from a fan base and you're in agreement with me so i feel pretty good about that whenever

i don't i don't care like because people only remember when you hurt their feelings how many nice things have we said about notre dame over no no i know but what i'm saying is is usually when I rile somebody up, you're there to reel me in and say, hey, you're being irrational. Then it makes me feel good that you're viewing it the same way that I am. It's not irrational at all. And the Notre Dame fans doing the mental gymnastics to be like, but our game control? No, it's stupid. Okay.

They played the game. But it doesn't matter because Notre Dame is where they are in the rankings. The committee has already said they don't care about that individual result. So let's go forward based on where they are. they're fine. There was a team last year. They kicked the crap out of Navy in the snow. There was a team last year, and I can't remember who it was,

and I need to go look this up, that was in the top 11 or 12 when the first rankings came out, and then they hovered around 11 and 12 and 10 all season. And I'm very curious if the first poll is going to have Notre Dame very highly ranked, but it's going to be harder for them to move up. Obviously, as teams lose. I think it'll be very difficult for them to move up, but I also don't think they're going to get dropped out as long as they win. I think they're fine.

If the teams that we have gripes about being behind them keep winning, if Notre Dame will stay in the same general area in the polls and those teams will move up and then we'll have a situation in late November where the head-to-head discussion and the results of that game discussion start to matter more. Like in the moment right now, you know, maybe if Miami wins out. Like if Miami wins out and they climb up to number 11 and Notre Dame's number nine,

the head to head will become more relevant because then the things that are negging Miami in the moment, which is they are inconsistent or they, you know, are two of the last three games have been losses is no longer relevant because they'll have won four in a row. If like, like I don't think that like your thought process and a lot of people's thought processes, the committee has already told us what they think about Notre Dame. don't bring up Miami again. The decision's already been made. And I don't think I agree with that.

I think if Miami gets close to them, I do think they'll consider it again. But I don't think they're going to take Notre Dame out of the playoff. Jackson in the chat says, didn't you say a few years ago that the committee uses groups like groups of teams to compare? Example, Texas, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Utah, since they view them all between 10 and 13. That's true. They go in groups of three. So what this means is they don't consider Miami and even the same peer group. as Notre Dame right now.

So I'm telling you right now, they've told us what they're going to do. Notre Dame's in if they keep winning. So now they may not go up. I think Notre Dame may go up a spot this week because BYU's dropping. And Texas didn't play, so they won't jump them. Right.

If Texas beats Georgia, Texas will jump way over Notre Dame and over Georgia and probably land around where Ole Miss is right now. You know what the real answer to this is? Is we keep talking about Notre Dame and Miami head-to-head. The likelihood of both of those teams only vying for one spot

seems to be like almost zero. If Miami gets in, Notre Dame will also get in. I don't think that's going to be more. I would agree with that. Yeah, I would agree with that. And I think if Miami gets in, kind of the only way Miami does that right now is they would win their next three games

and then they would win the ACC championship game. I just really struggle with playoff talk because, like, on one hand, I do believe that if Miami and Notre Dame played next weekend, I would pick Notre Dame to win. And that's why they're doing this, because they've moved, the SEC and the Big Ten wanted them to move to these, these different metrics, which are mostly predictive power rankings, just like the linemakers use in Vegas. And Notre Dame would be favored over most of these teams. That's why they're doing it, though, because who cares what I think, right? Like, I think that Notre Dame is better than Miami right now. I think that. I see and watch the games the same way that everybody who's mad at me does.

But if we rank teams based on what I think, Mr. can't even get to 500 in any single pick weekend that we do, then who gives a shit what I think? I suck at picking games. And they played the game. So I struggle with that. What should I emphasize more? or should I emphasize the game that they already played and the result that happens? The other point that people make is Louisville also is a two-loss team.

Yeah. So do you not have to factor in their head-to-head winning against Miami? The thing that makes it a little bit different for me is that Miami also has a win over USF, which isn't in the rankings at the moment, but that might turn out to be another playoff team win on their resume at the end of the year. Could be. Could be. And I don't know if Louisville's overall schedule, like that would be the head-to-head tiebreaker,

but I think that Miami's resume is better, so I don't take the tie breaker into account. Right. And now Louisville needs help to make the ACC championship game. Like, they're two losses in the ACC just like Miami, but at least Louisville has the tiebreaker over Miami. Yeah. Miami needs somebody else to beat Louisville. Yeah. But it's a fun discussion, and I really like doing it.

But I just do think that, like, if we're going to pick teams and rank teams based on what we think they're going to do, then do the whole poll that way. And if you want to use the results of the games and use the quality wins, then do the whole poll that way. I feel like congratulations. Alabama will stay at number two, even if they lose three more games. Yeah. If they really did it based on the power rankings, if that's what we want to do, then just do it on power rankings. The thing that drives me nuts is inconsistency in the same poll. Like you think about it one way at number 11, 12, and 13, and you think of it.

about it differently at one and two, and it bothers me. Well, and they didn't do that with Oregon last week either. And they didn't do it with Texas Tech, because Texas Tech would have been ahead of BYU if you're just using power rankings. Let's talk about that. We didn't talk enough about Texas Tech and BYU at the beginning of the show. It's important to get to this. Texas Tech obliterated BYU.

BYU couldn't do anything offensively against Texas Tech. That defense is spectacular. So I'm trying to figure out where to put Texas Tech in that projected playoff. I think I may have them sick, sorry. I like that. I think Texas Tech is the only team not in the Big Ten or the SEC that I currently think could make a run in the playoff. I agree with you.

Yeah. No, I look at their talent relative to the talent of the other teams that we think are going to be in the playoff. And I can see them going head to head very well against most of those teams. As long as Baron Morton's health. I think, and by the way, I don't know. Look, I didn't go to medical school. But Baron Morton does not look 100% to me.

Watching the game, did he look 100% to you? And it still wasn't a contest. Now, Texas Tech's defense was awesome. It didn't even feel like BYU was going to score that game. But I still think that Texas Tech from a talent perspective is like the Brett Yourmark fantasy that he never thought could even come true. Like when you're Brett Your Mark, you have to act and boast and prop up the member institutions in your conference.

That is your job to make them marketable. He's done a very good job of being creative and keeping the Big 12 relevant. But if Texas Tech has actually found a way to situate itself with a roster that is comparable to top-tier teams and other conferences. Now, I don't know if they're in town that is Alabama or Ohio State or Oregon. But how would you sack them up against Ole Miss? I think that that would be a fun game to watch. And if you stack them up to Ole Miss, that gives the Big 12 a legitimate team that could make a run. That is the one thing that's been lacking.

The Big 12 is wildly entertaining. We have our three and a half point coin. Any team in that conference can win every week. That's been a fun, lovable experience as a viewer. But the problem with the Big 12 is when Texas and Oklahoma left, you took two tent pole programs out of that conference that could win a national championship conceivably. and you reallocated that to another conference that already had four or five. That left the Big 12 with none. But Brett, Yourmark was talking, and you were there at Big 12 Media Day with me earlier in August,

about the need for them to have multiple teams separate from the pack. And I don't even know if I agree with that. I think they just have to have one team that can make a playoff run and do it over and over and over again because what could you do? You have to replace Texas and Oklahoma with the consistent national programs. And if Texas Tech is going to have money and few, used into its roster year over a year. I don't know what Cody Campbell's prepared to do,

but if he gets a return on his investment this year and this team makes the playoff and wins a game or two, why wouldn't he want to do it again? I would want to do it every year. And then all of a sudden, Texas Tech is a program that we don't think is a Cinderella. I think people view Texas Tech as a Cinderella. No, they're a team that bought their roster the way that other teams and bigger conferences have done.

So Zachary says Texas Tech winning means the Big 12 has only won it. Maybe, but maybe not. Because there is one other team in the Big 12 that the committee seems to like a lot. And that's Utah. And if Utah keeps winning, so that's the question. I think BYU probably has to lose twice more, but they could because they play TCU and they play at Cincinnati. Now, if Cincinnati beats BYU, then you're probably looking at Texas, Cincinnati big 12 championship game but but Cincinnati already has two losses including one to Nebraska so maybe but what if Utah were to get shut out and they're 10 and two and the

committee just thinks they're the 11th best team I think I agree with the comment so you think you think that that limits it probably opens a door for another SEC or big 10 team I think if Texas Tech proves that it's in a league of its own this year which I think they're doing, especially because their loan loss came without their starting quarterback, which I don't know if that's the reason they lost. It still seemed to me that Arizona State would have been able to win if Morton played that game. And that was obviously before Sam Levin got hurt.

But if the thought process or the just general school of thought is Texas Tech is in a league of its own, that's a tough proposition for the rest of the conference to get another one in. Yeah. Ari, can we talk about some of the teams that are not going to make the playoff? Because there were some games between teams that are not going to make the playoff that were very interesting for various reasons sure let's do it i think mark stoop's is going to keep his job shoemaker went two and one on his best bets the the kick yourself in the groin parlay didn't hit yeah georgia just beat the crap out of mississippi state but the other two were kentucky

and iowa and kentucky didn't that wasn't i said it would be a painful to watch that was a joy to watch if you listen to him that's as good as i've seen Kentucky look in a long time. Carter Bowley was carving Florida up. DJ Lagway got benched for Florida. Tramel Jones, who, if you've been reading the message boards at Gators online, there have been some people clamoring for Tramel Jones. So you saw them at the end of the game.

We posted something at On3. The On3 main Twitter account posted that DJ Lagway had been benched. Guess who retweeted that post? I know who it was. Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin. Yeah, which doesn't mean anything, so don't jump to conclusions, but I guarantee you it launched multiple message board posts.

Yeah. So this is, Matt Jones came on our show and said this was going to happen. And didn't he say that this was like the worst case scenario if they finish with five wins? Mm-hmm. So your thought process. They have four now. You think that they're going to, that Stoop is going to keep. keeps his job. But Kentucky still has, they're going to have five wins, I think, because they play

Tennessee Tech next week, although Tennessee Tech right is really good. Tennessee Tech is really good in the FCS. And then they're at, at Vandy and at Louisville. So it may be that they lose to Vandy, lose to Louisville and our five and seven. But yeah, that's going to be a tricky one when you would owe him $37 million. But Matt, he literally called it on the show. He like, he knew this was going to happen. He's looking, he's been covering this team for a long time. He said, they're going to win one of them, and it's going to confuse people, and I wonder if people are confused. Like, how do Kentucky fans feel right now?

Are they like, okay, I could do another year to Stoops, or are they like, God damn it? I think they feel good. I think they feel like they got a quarterback. Okay. Cutter Bully looked great tonight. That's the best he's looked. So, yeah, I'm excited to see what he does going for the rest of the season,

because they really did look, and sometimes teams find themselves along the way. Now, yes, the Florida fans are all like, uh-huh, uh-huh, remember all this. This is like when Florida beat LSU and Ole Miss last year and they kept Billy Napier. I don't, I can't tell you Kentucky fans what, what's going to happen there. Well, if that's, that's what we're dealing with here. Kentucky's administration is like, oh, God, I don't want to pay that buyout. At least they don't look stupid by keeping him. Like, that's better.

Right, right. Now, the thing that I want to really talk to you about, because you are really got your finger on the pulse of this is DJ Ladway was benched in this game. And does that make you feel like he's not going to be Florida's quarterback next year? I don't know because every, you talk to people about the coaches that they might want and you're like, okay, well, what does this person think of DJ? What does DJ think of this person? I don't know. I really don't know because it might be that the person they hire has somebody else in mind completely.

because it's, I keep wondering, do you look at him and see the tools that you saw late last season and say, I can unlock that in him? All the coaches think that, right? All the coaches think they can save somebody. They can fix somebody. But the fact of the matter is, he's not been very good this season. And that might be what he is. I had a real in-depth conversation.

with some friends today in a group chat about my number one toxic trait. And that is speaking in definitive when things aren't definitive. And they make fun of me for my Arch Manning take. But I'm going to step right back into the bear trap and say something definitive again, even though I'm probably, or I have a chance of being wrong. There is a 0% chance. He's not the starting quarterback at a power school next year, right? Oh, no, that's a definite.

He will be the starting quarterback at a power. Crawford School. Yes, 100%. Okay. Whether the person who gets hired at Florida wants to keep him or not, if they let him go, somebody is going to take him. Somebody will be happy to take him.

Because you know what? Like, if you put him on a roster that had a lot of good players and a good coach, like I still think that that would be a very attractive person? This roster has a lot of good players. No, I know. He currently exists on which year. It's been highly dysfunctional.

I think that if you put him on a functional team with a good coach who has a track record of getting the most out of his team, and I don't know where that is or who that is, I mean, we'll find out, I think, in January. But I would find him to be a seven-figure asset in the portal if he enters it. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. No. And I'd be excited about it. All you have to do is watch the old. miss game from last year

and someone will throw a giant bag in him. Somebody just said like Miami's next transfer quarterback. Doubtful, but maybe. Who knows? It's called a trickball. You never know. I don't know. Matt Miller, the draft guy from ESPN's like, sources

are telling me that Miami's going to break the bank for a transfer QB. He said this like Thursday of last week. I'm like, okay. Yeah, great. That's what they do every here, Matt. Like, we know. We need to expect the sun to come up tomorrow. Yeah.

Speaking of places where they're keeping the coach, let's go to Wisconsin. I wrote a story on Friday. I talked to Chris McIntosh, the Wisconsin-A-D, for a little while on Friday. Very well. And because I wanted to understand why they were keeping Luke fickle. We've had the discussion on the show a bunch. Chicken egg. Like, did Fickle not get the resources he needed?

Did he get the resources he needed, but just didn't shop well enough? And I think we know the answer to that now. I think he didn't get the resources he needed. McIntosh, very open about that. And to, like, Chris McIntosh, to his detriment, says that. Because it reflects badly on him and the job he's done. But he understands that. He also understands that probably he's tied to Luke Fickle.

so i don't know i think it's very interesting that they chose we're going to raise a hundred million dollars to build an indoor facility whereas like old miss the keith carter the athlete director there goes we're going to stop the stadium renovations and you donors put that money towards nil because we'd like to win now and guess who's doing better So, but that said, Luke Fickle gets kept, and Wisconsin goes out and beats Washington. Now, they did it in a game where their punter was their leading passer. The quarterback they put in, the four-star quarterback that they put in can't hit the broadside of a barn, but he can't run. And the defense led by two freshman linebackers was awesome in the snow.

I want to go back to McIntosh for a second, because this is the thought that when I read it, this is my thought. What makes him look worse? Admitting that Luke Fickle isn't the guy? Mm-hmm. Or acknowledging he wasn't given the correct resources. I think they because I feel like bad because he chose Luke Fickle and it's his fault that Luke Fickle didn't get the correct resources. But I feel like acknowledging. publicly that Luke Fickled didn't get the right resources is the only way out of the mess that

he's in because you get another chance to build a roster that might be good, you get another chance to try to win 10 games and then you can still come out at the end of that tunnel looking like you did the right thing. I read that skeptically. I did too. But I do, and there are some things that have happened to them this year that have made them almost non-functional at times offensively. Like when you're on your fourth center, when the center you're starting is a guy that you took in the spring portal that you thought might replace the left tackle you lost to a torn ACL in the spring, and you started him against a MAC team and you had to bench him halfway

through the game against the MAC team at left tackle. And now he's your starting center. That is a scary prospect. And he's the fourth center you've used. So they have had some unusually bad luck. So I will give them that. Yeah, and he hasn't had a healthy quarterback. I don't know if that's the only thing or if he made the right decisions,

as you point out at that with those players. I got to say, awful look for Washington tonight, too. Finally creeping into the rankings. You know, he started to get some momentum there. Your 11 spots out of playoff contention. I think you could even make the case before coming into the weekend that they might have had a outside shot at making the college football playoff to lose to Wisconsin.

I don't know if that was like purely vibes in Madison. We have our coach. We can relax a little bit. We're not so much tension. He's coming back next year. We're going to write the ship. Whatever that was, you cannot lose that Wisconsin team.

Yeah. That was bad. Carter Smith is the quarterback that they put in. He's the young guy. He was the recruit they brought in. Three of 12, four, eight yards. That granted him was snowing. It was a driving.

snowstorm. But three or twelve for eight yards. Their punted or Sean West was one in one for 24 yards. It was incredible. But Cooper Catalano and Mason Poser, the two freshman linebackers I mentioned, they combined for 20 tackles between the, I'm sorry, they combined for 30 tackles. I'm sorry, 30 tackles. Two freshmen. Welcome to the Big Ten West, Washington. You You succeeded. Yeah, that was the Big Ten Westiest game that's been played all season. The Big Ten West is dead, but it is still so alive, Handy. Oh, my God.

Yeah, listen, Barry Alvarez is looking at that. And Barry Alvarez never played in the Big Ten West. He just essentially created the blueprint for it, or maybe Hayden Fry created the blueprint for it. But, yeah, those guys are like, this is football right here. jump around in the snow was spectacular by the way absolutely spectacular that's that's that's still great that they were they were able to pull it off there's some other results too here andy yes it looks like north Nebraska is going to hold on now it's not over there it's it's down to a touchdown they were up i believe 287 now they're up 28 21 but they have the ball and the clock is running it or it's under the two minute warning and they're at the UCLA 30 uh and I was peeping this game. T.J. Lateef. Mm-hmm.

Has he turned an incomplete pass yet? Because he hadn't in the third quarter. 13 of 15 for 205 yards and three tuttees. And very slippery player. I don't, I'm not going to contrive some fake quarterback controversy when Dylan Taylor was up for the year. But what I will say is, is that Nebraska winning this game if they do it. And this would be the ultimate curse if they wound up losing somehow.

I'm going to assume that they're going to win. puts them in a position where they are seven and three and have games against Penn State and Iowa. I still think that they can have a successful year despite the fact that it all fell apart last week. And I thought it was a nice bounceback win for Matt Ruhle and his team. Yeah, I would agree with that. Let's go to Tuscaloosa.

Alabama beats LSU 20 to 9. Barely covers, but covers. That's the key. They covered. Needed that one. I don't know what to really what to say about this because we talked like we talked to Cole Kublich before the game and and he had LSU's last game. He had the one where they lost to Texas A&M and he's been around this team a lot.

And he said they're going to give Alabama their absolute best. This will be the best shot you see from LSU, the remainder of the season probably. And they did hang. But I think Alabama's defense just was it going to be too much for that offense. That's why I picked Alabama to cover a 10-and-a-half-point spread. I just didn't see LSU being able to succeed offensively against Alabama. And they couldn't. They pulled Garrett Nussmeier.

He was 18 of 21, already, but only for 121 yards. So 5.8 yards per attempt. So that's why they pulled him from Michael Van Buren. It didn't spark anything. Yeah, it was one of those games where they were within a possession for a lot of the second half, and it never felt like they had even the slightest shot of one in the game. Yeah. I think that Alabama has unequivocally deserved and proven that it should be the number one

one lost team or highest ranked one lost team. Ty Simpson, I think, is playing obviously great. I don't think that we should even talk about the Florida State game anymore. Like, I am ready to move past that completely. Oh, yeah. Clearly a fluke. Georgia, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Tennessee, South Carolina, and LSU is quite the gauntlet. They had a close call against South Carolina,

but for the most part, have traversed that pretty tough stretch without really feeling like they're going to lose maybe once. And they get Oklahoma next week. So they have to eliminate Oklahoma from playoff contention. Or they don't have to. They could lose to Oklahoma and still. Yeah, if they go two and one down the stretch

with one game against Eastern Illinois, they're in the playoff. Zombie Auburn. They're going to worry about Zombie Auburn. Yeah, Zombie Auburn scored some points. On Saturday. Zombie Auburn was the only zombie team that really gave anybody, well, I guess UCLA got within a touchdown, but zombie Auburn was up 17-3 at one point on Vanderbilt and ended up having to come back. They go to OT, Vandy wins in OT. Cam Coleman made a couple of the best catches you've ever seen back-to-back on a touchdown and a two-point conversion.

And so it's like, okay, Hugh Freeze was the problem offensively. We can say that. But DJ Durkin's defense got carved up by Diego Pobby. This is the best anybody's looked against this defense all year. Ashton Daniels had 353 yards passing on 31 to 44 times and two touchdowns. Cam Coleman, I think that whoever gets hired at Auburn, the number one responsibility is to do every single thing in their power, both vibes-wise and financially to keep Cam Coleman on this team. he has been in a circumstance that has not allowed him to shine. I think Cam Coleman is one of the stars of the sport.

I was obsessed with him in the offseason. I'm obsessed with him now. I believe he will be a first round pick. What if he just goes to Ohio State? I shouldn't allow that. That should be against me. How funny would that be? Just keep him.

Just keep him, Auburn, and do what you can to allow him to flourish. because he is a special NFL talent that will be playing football on Sundays for many years to come. And it is unfortunate that his circumstance and decision to go to Auburn has stopped him. He's making money. It's not like I feel bad for him, but it has stopped him from being a fixture in the national conversation. And I think that he has a big enough talent where 85% of the sport should not not know who he is. That was a double-knit. Like if you asked, if you did the Nashville, because they did play Vanderbilt in

Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's go down on Broadway and see. A lot of a bachelor party, do they know this person's name? No, I don't even want to ask bachelorette parties. I want to ask anybody who's wearing a school polo or anybody who is wearing college football attire, who Cam Coleman is. Percentage-wise, how many people do you think, no? 50. You're in the south.

It should be 90. it should be not like I can say with a straight face that he's the top three receiver in college football do you agree with that uh no I think he can be but I don't think we've seen it consistently enough now maybe that's the quarterback's fault that he's playing with or maybe that's you freeze as fault I've seen enough

he's pretty spectacular yeah I mean there's only one that is Not a discussion when you're when you're picking. Remember, you've got Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate, Mackay Lemon, Jeremy Bernard. There's a lot of good receivers. Denzel Boston at Washington, though he didn't have a very good game today.

Jordan Tyson at Arizona State. Like there's a lot of good receivers. Yeah. So. Cam Coleman's going to be in the NFL for 10 years. Oh, yeah. No. He's very good.

And he's been underutilized. and they need to fix that. Now, I want to drag you into the pits of Ohio State hell for a second. I watched the game today. I'm trying to think of new ways to discuss this because it's not entertaining. But we do this every week where we talk about how dominant they are. And Julian San is coming along. That's what I wrote last week.

Clearly, he's a very player. He was 27 for 33 for 303 yards and a touchdown. Do you think that Julian Sane is playing really well because he has Jeremiah Smith on his team? And I'm not taking it away that he's not. I think he's a great quarterback. But I think we have the Heisman wrong. Like I think that Jeremiah Smith. How do we have the Heisman?

I think we're voting on the Heisman. Ty Simpson's going to win the Heisman. I'm saying like the Ohio State candidate. You think it should be Jeremiah? I do, yeah. What about Cornell Tate? carnell tate's having a great year and i think that he is going also be a pro for a long time i don't have a problem with this this is the the mac jones devante smith thing yeah kyle trask was actually a finalist that same

year when it probably should have been kyle pitts if we were talking about the person who made florida's offense special yeah so yeah i i i can get on board with that you can't Julian saying, but I also think if you put Julianne on saying on another team that didn't have Jeremiah Smith, now there may have been some more growing pains. It probably wouldn't have come as easily. Yeah. But once he got developed or got comfortable, I think Julian Sane was going to be a good quarterback no matter where you put him. Yeah. Cardinal Tate's really good. He also has 17 less receiving yards coming into the weekend, I think, and Jeremiah Smith had 10 receptions for 100. He just does things even on five yard gains that make my head explode. Um,

And I don't know, maybe this isn't a relevant conversation, but I feel like it's really difficult when you have three really good players that should be in contention, like picking which one. Like, you know, we always default the quarterback, and maybe that's just the nature of the trophy. But like, we'll just get it to Arvel Reese. That'll be fine. Yeah.

I won't hurt my feelings. Up on on three ballots, but like, he's really awesome, too. You know, that's, that's the problem with Ohio State. There's so many good players. But, Ari, this next week is going to be pretty spectacular because this is now set the table for really wild stuff in the ACC. You got a couple really big games in the SEC. We're going to be at Texas, Georgia.

We're going to Athens. So that's going to be absolutely spectacular. You've got Oklahoma, Alabama next week. You've got, well, Minnesota's going to Oregon. We have one. Is Oregon to have to play another Big Ten West game? Probably, yeah. Although I don't know if Minnesota is good enough to drag him into one.

If Darius Taylor plays, they have a chance. If he can't play it, we want to talk about it. Before we finish the show, we have to acknowledge a game that happened on Friday night. Oh, Memphis and Tulane, yes. We didn't talk about it. It was a Friday night game. It was an incredible game. Tulane beat Memphis 38 to 32.

We both believe, as should you, that the. winner of the American is going to be the group of five representative in the playoff and now the American Memphis Duke wins and then there are two yes you should start the Duke

Duke could screw up or Duke can screw up the power dominant dynamic of the CFP like Darian Menza has a chance to do something that won't be happening very often I would read that but the American now

has five teams with one loss. It feels like Memphis is now eliminated from CFP contention. Navy is five and one, and they are alone. Memphis is not eliminated because they have the head-to-head against USF. So they're not out. They play Navy, too, who's ahead of them in the ranking. I don't know. I need to go through and add up, like, who controls their own destiny and who plays who.

But when you have five teams with one loss and UF2, it seems kind of hard to figure out where. that they're going to get this late in the season, but they might still be able to. Here are the rankings as of right now. Navy is 5 and 1 in American play. South Florida's 4-1, Tulane is 4-1. Tulane also owns now, obviously, the head-to-head over Memphis.

North Texas is 4-1. East Carolina is 4-1, and Memphis is 4-and-2. And the next big one among these is next week, USF at Navy. Yes. But, you know, Memphis was losing. losing by a lot on Friday night heading into the fourth quarter. And they had a few, you know, they were down 38.

They fought back, yes. They were down 21 points going into the fourth quarter. They scored 15 points and had the ball multiple times down six late in that game. And Tulane's defense got stops. But it looked like they were going to do the same thing that they did the USF, which was a race of 17 point fourth quarter lead to win. they had plenty of opportunity to win that game. It was cool to see the crowd come alive

because they were losing by a lot at one point. They just could not get it done. Very entertaining Friday night game. And I just want to express my remorse to everybody who has YouTube TV. That fucking sucks. And there's no other way to put it. I know. And the fact they've now gone another college football Saturday.

So the Monday night football game is Packers Eagles. If they don't get it back on for Packers Eagles, I don't know what. would prompt them to come to a deal? Because that's the last kind of real pressure point. And I hate to, you know, I don't like spending other people's money. I will say, though, that for me who is kind of technologically challenged at times, that the Hulu or ESPN Plus subscription that I bought in order to make sure I could see everything.

Well, no, you didn't do the Hulu lot. You got the, you got ESPN. Yeah, I got ESPN. with your with your Hulu subscription, but not the Hulu Plus Live TV. I ended up paying 20 or 25 more per month for the time being. I was able to watch everything I needed to watch the last two days. Yeah, I was a little mad today. Like I was trying to get games up on different screens.

And the ESPN app limits you to two screens. I pay for unlimited screens, unlimited streams for you with YouTube TV. So that's, you know, because they're going to give me 20. bucks bill credit if this thing's off you know i think through this weekend that's not enough yeah i i only have it for this so but if you're main i can't get it back on i'll just i am going to cancel youtube tv if they if they can't get it back on if your main enjoyment is watching college football on fall saturdays and if you're here i'm assuming that's the case um it does blow but you need to just you need to bite the bullet and pay i mean because people want to say well

you can't give your money to Google or you can't give you money to ESPN. I just want to watch the freaking games. ESPN paid all this money for the rights to those games so that when I had to make that decision, I would pick them. That's why they paid all that money, which by the way is also why they're raising the prices on people like YouTube TV and Comcast and all those other places because their margins are thinner because their overhead is higher. like that's just it's the way the world works unfortunately yeah it sucks it sucks

um the most aggravating thing to me was trying to figure out what network the games are on and i don't know if you're one of these people that just like knows it's this conference they'll be on these channels but like i had to constantly go to the ESPN app to figure out like what channels games were on um and i found that to be frustrated all SEC games are on that one and i will say this like ESPN your app sucks like your app is terrible have a button that says here's what's on ESPN now and here's what's on ESPN 2 and here's on the SEC network so I just click that

yeah all I was doing was going to the scoreboard and then opening up the game and then hitting watch this and then it was just yeah your your algorithm does not consider what games might be the most popular like yeah you know your data is telling you which games are the most watched, put those at the front.

That should be the first thing that comes up. Like, I don't need to be waiting through FCS games to find an SEC game. Yeah, but I just, I think we both wanted to acknowledge that it sucks for the consumer. It sucks for us. It sucks for you. But my hope is that if you're able to do it, that next week, you know, it's just an option that you might have to do. But you do find a way to watch the games that you want to watch. And, you know, I have some games up on my television, some games on the iPad, some on the TV.

It's a little bit more, or on the laptop, it's a little bit more of a pain in the ass. But if you can stomach the extra 25 bucks, it's probably worth it for the time being. Yeah. Listen, you're going to be giving the money to some giant corporation that does not care about your feelings. So if you think you're making some sort of statement by not watching college football games, you want to watch, you're not. Like, you're going to end up giving them your money. And I don't want to sound like we all. are separation but like they like you said they paid all this money like don't deprive yourself

of your own enjoyment and happiness on the few days that we get a year to try to make a statement that they most certainly won't feel um so yeah I don't know I just want I was tweeting like change the channel to this this is awesome and like I get like 12 replies every time I don't get that game anymore yeah I felt bad like I tweeted on Friday night like if you're not watching Tulane Memphis do you really love ball and then like 25 people responded like, or our freaking provider didn't let us watch it. Fuck you. And I was like, yeah, I mean, that's messed up.

But like, it's, uh, anyway, I hope that this is resolved by Monday night. But if it's not, we'll do our best to fill in the blanks if you don't want to pay that money. We will be here on Tuesday night for the playoff reveal as we will for the rest of the year. Oh, yeah. We hope you enjoyed that. It's more fun to watch with us anyway. Yeah. Now I got to do my projected playoff, which by the way is not going to be what I think the bracket will

actually look like at the end of the season because that was. That's going to be way too confusing for everybody. Hey, I wanted to ask you, I would do it the way you've been doing it. Just don't change. I'm going to. It's essentially going to be a prediction of what I think the committee will do on Tuesday night, which is why my feelings about what we said, you know, all the stuff we said about the Notre Dame Miami thing doesn't matter.

Like, the committee told us what they're going to do. So I'm going to, I'm going to predict it based on what we've seen from them. And it probably is the right time. I don't want to add more work to your plate. You've got a lot going on. You should do what you do on Saturday night. And then on Wednesday, one of us should just do, what do we think it will look like?

And then just have the headline. What do we think will happen or something to differentiate them? They'll be different. And people can't get enough. On Tuesday, on Wednesday, that would be a little late because we'll already know. No, no. I want you to project what it will look like at the end of December. Oh.

So it's different. That's a great piece of content there. Are you? Yeah. I see our editors are just eyes lighting up. And if you don't want to do it, I'd be happy to do it. Because you and I both did. Here's the thing.

They'll put out a graphic for that, which will have the link to the story below it, where if you click the story, it will make perfect sense. The context will all be there. The people who will just look at the graphic are going to freak out. Because again, it's not your fault. They're not paying attention to what you're doing. Oh, I know. It's just funny.

It's do you want your feed clogged with all that? because, like I said, I'll give the example I'll use as Texas. Texas, if they make the playoff, will be ranked ahead of Georgia and possibly ahead of Texas A&M if they actually make the playoff because they'll have beaten both of them. Yeah. Yeah. It's just whatever you think, man.

Andy, we got a request and we haven't done it. Okay. Do you want to do the segment again where I go through and tell you why every team sucks? Yeah, sure. Let's do it. And the thing that stinks is that when you have a chalk Saturday, like it might be kind of a rerun from last week. But Indiana and Oregon gave you some stuff to work with. You have some stuff to play with.

Okay. You ready? I'm ready. Ohio State beat Purdue on the road by 34 points. Who have they beaten this year? Every single team that Ohio State has played sucks. Texas is your best win and you only beat them by seven at home. You stink.

You're repeating your, you need a new material if we're going to do this every week. Well, the problem with Ohio State is there's nothing else to do. You want to take a shot at Ohio State? No. That's why I'm not doing this. Indiana, the team that wants to be a football school, but won't get the respect from legacy programs finally actually plays a team with good players on it

and doesn't win by 50? Who would have thought that would have happened? You're a basketball school. You can't beat Penn State, a team that's lost six in a row in the Big Ten by more than three. You basically lost that game. It took an Olympic athlete to do a high jump and contortion his body into the back of the end zone

to beat that terrible team. You stink. Texas might not be able. to go 8 and 4 this year, but anybody who watched them play this year knows that the spirit of 8 and 4 exists somewhere. You beat Notre Dame, a team that's vastly overranked by one point,

and you held the shit out of the guy at the end of the game. Everybody saw it. You're going 9 and 0 against the crappy SEC team. SEC schedule, you stink. See, it's chalk, dude. It's very hard. You can't even do Alabama. I mean, because you've already said that the Florida State loss is a fluke and it's over.

Oh, by the way, we didn't talk about Florida State Clemson. Florida State loss in a game that you should not, as already said before, hopefully you didn't actually bet any of your own money on this game because it, who would have been? Clemson went out, you know, went out to a huge lead held on. I don't know what this means. Like, I don't know that this definitively does anything for Mike Norvelle. Like, I don't know the floor state makes any decisions. But, God, it was black cluster.

And I was right on Alabama. Mike Norvel, like, his pupils were just white on the sideline. Like, that is just a man that knows what's coming. I don't even remember who I picked in this game, Andy. Do you? I pick Clemson. I don't know who you picked. that probably means I picked Florida State and had another awful weekend.

I'll just roast myself. I spend 80 hours a week thinking, talking, discussing, researching, speaking to coaches, speaking to, thinking about college football and I can't pick a winner. So I started off 0 in 3. We do nine picks in each pick show. Chronologically, oh and 3. Like the Friday night game I had Memphis, Tulane, obviously covered because they once now right.

Dude, that should have been the mull. again, man. It was the spread told of what was going to happen. Penn State covered against Indiana. And then what was the other noon? Oh, I picked BYU to cover in Texas Tech easily covered. So I was 0 and 3, but I finished 5, 3 and 1. So thank you, Auburn, for pushing. Thank you, Iowa.

Yeah, you did good again. And I think I did bad again. So, like, we are just like in bizarro world right now where I can't do anything, right? But next season, this, every time the results for the week come in, I just sit there and shudder because next season, it's going to be reversed and you're going to be unstoppable and I'm not going to be able to pick anybody. I keep getting bad breaks like, and that's not all of it, but it's like I picked Auburn plus seven and they lost an overtime by seven. It's like, okay. I also, but you picked Auburn. You were, you were tailing me on that one.

I did. Because I was doing the brains thing and the zombies. Zombies were over. Yeah. Zombies were Ofer. Yeah. I'm trying to look at the other games. A&M in Missouri.

I think I picked Mizzou. That was wrong. Yeah. I picked Oregon. That was wrong. Yeah. Somebody in the chat very early said, you know, I'm here for you guys to say nice things about my ags,

but you said seven would be a lot to cover. I'm like, no, no, Ari said seven to be a lot to cover. No, it wasn't a lot to cover. I picked Bama. Yeah. Yeah, we'll go through it on Monday. But, yeah, I thought it was a very entertaining Saturday, relatively Saturday.

Can I give you one more game next week that is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I guess it could affect the playoff if it's a major upset, but Florida plays that old miss next week. It's going to be spectacular. The Lane Kiffin interviews, the Lane Kiffin tweets, everything Lane Kiffin is going to be hilarious this week. I am looking forward to Oregon, Minnesota together.

That'll be fun. Pitt, Notre Dame, big game, like you said, Oklahoma, Alabama. Oh, no. See, so the Oregon, Minnesota game is a Friday night game, right? Yeah. So we're going to watch that together in suburban Athens. I'm warning you and Producer River right now. I am going to be.

insufferable because my son's team has they won Friday they've got a game in Orlando on Friday night and I won't be there and I will be watching on the stream and you you you came last year to one of his games when you were covering a game in Gainesville it wasn't he wasn't playing very much it was only a freshman now that he plays basically every down both ways I'm a lunatic during these games. As you should be. A complete lunatic. So, like, is there a chance that they'll have it streaming?

I hope so. It's at a bougie school in Orlando. So I, my hopes are high. So, yeah. But I'm just warning you, you guys probably will not want to be around me. I will be insufferable. No, I'm going to be rooting with you. I want your kid to prosper, man.

We'll be having a good time. Yeah, but really looking at. forward. We will be in Athens next week for the Texas, Georgia game. I'm assuming we will be somewhere in the parking lots, areas around, coming to the... Yes, we will get the address. We'll put the info out where to come find us. That is a night game. It is a 7.30 p.m. Eastern time kick. So it's, there's going to be plenty of time to go hang with us and our friends from Modelo. That's right. So all the full-time fans come on out because we want to see you.

We had a blast at Ohio State, and that was a noon game where people weren't as excited because Penn State wasn't what they thought it was going to be. This game is going to be spectacular. This is Texas's, I believe this Texas's first trip to Austin. I don't know they've played in Austin before. So, I mean, they played in Austin a bunch to Athens. I don't think they've played at Sanford Stadium before. So this is going to be spectacular.

Huge stakes. Texas fighting for its playoff life, Georgia, trying to make the SEC championship game. It's going to be awesome. So we will see you, and there will be Madelo. There'll be Madelo, Madelo Oro,

Shalada. It's going to be spectacular. We'll see you guys. We'll see you guys Sunday, because we've got to break down the conference races. I will just be spending the whole night with the ACC championship game tiebreaker calculator.

I cannot be trusted to do that correctly. I don't think it matters. I don't think anything we say tomorrow will matter because it's so messed up. We'll talk to tomorrow.