Andy & Ari On3 - College Football Week 14 INSTANT REACTION: Alabama-Auburn, Ohio State-Michigan, Lane Kiffin's Decision

Episode Date: November 30, 2025

Join Andy & Ari LIVE following all of the action on Saturday night to recap the entirety of the Week 14 slate of College Football. Also, Lane Kiffin watch continues as we await what happens with the Ole Miss head coach and his decision. A jam packed Saturday to unpack, and Andy & Ari have you covered right here. Games include.... (0:00) On Tonight's Instant Reaction(0:47) Presenting Sponsor(2:43) Intro: #10 Alabama 27, Auburn 20(7:20) Cal 38, SMU 35 LIVE(8:20) JMU's New Life, ACC Conundrum(11:32) #12 Miami 38, #22 Pitt 7(13:46) Duke 49, Wake Forest 32(14:15) Lane Kiffin's Incoming Decision(16:38) Louisville 41, Kentucky 0 - Jon Sumrall discussion(18:54) Closing out Lane Kiffin Discussion(22:45) Notre Dame - Stanford LIVE(23:58) CFP Outlook(32:00) Florida 40, Florida State 21(33:41) Lane Kiffin's Decision, Continued(37:02) #1 Ohio State 27, #15 Michigan 9(41:24) #6 Oregon 26, Washington 14(45:25) Ohio State or the field?(47:29) BYU's argument?(49:10) Conference Championships(50:15) Lane Kiffin, again(51:01) #14 Vanderbilt 45, #19 Tennessee 24(53:00) Heisman discussion(56:00) Clemson 28, South Carolina 14(56:25) #17 USC 29, UCLA 10(56:45) Conclusion: Thank you BetMGM! A huge show you don't wanna miss! Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. This show is sponsored by Modelo! Some things in life are just made for each other. Peanut Butter and jelly. Macaroni and cheese. Modelo and college football. If you’re watching this, it means you live and breathe football. All season long. You know what that makes you? A Full-Time Fan. Which means you deserve a Modelo. Because football wouldn’t be the same without you. Modelo is the official beer sponsor of The College Football Playoff. Drink responsibly. Beer imported by Crown Imports, Chicago, IL Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Subscribe to On3!  ⬇️ youtube.com/on3sports/?sub_confirmati...Welcome to On3 | The best of college football and recruiting https://www.on3.com/ Listen to Andy & Ari On3 on podcast! Spotify 🎧: https://open.spotify.com/show/5AhQ4d2m5TQu5Q2vkwtxjt?si=d9016221aa2a4427 Apple 🍎: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/andy-staples-on3/id1695325427 Follow Andy Staples on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples Follow Andy Staples on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andy_staples Follow Ari Wasserman on Twitter: https://x.com/AriWasserman Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/on3sports Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/on3/ Like/Follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/On3Sports/ Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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We are here at the MGM Grand Detroit. We've been at the BetMGM sports book all night since we got back from Ann Arbor. It has been spectacular. We watched an unbelievable Iron Bowl. Auburn, gut-wrenching, gut-wrenching. Cam Coleman has the ball. They're moving toward the goal line, punched out Alabama wins. I'm going to use some profanity. What a freaking day. Yes.

What a day, man. So, like, I like your plan for the show. Games always matter more than the off-the-field stuff. Right. Which is now really off-the-field because LSU or, excuse me, Ole Miss, is not going to the SEC championship game. So, Lane Kippen, not deciding about that. So let's just go right to Alabama, Auburn.

We just watched the end of the game. And I got to say, Auburn fans, we've watched you play all year. But I thought that that was kind of a microcosm of their season. Yes. It looked like they outplayed Alabama for two and a half quarters. Nobody could hold on the ball. Every play felt like it was going to be a fumble. And when it wasn't a fumble, it ran out of bounds or they recovered it

and then eventually turned into a fumble all the way down to the end the game. I understand that you probably want to, you know, kind of cleanse your palate going to the offseason. But, you know, if I'm an Auburn fan, I look at that and I go, you know, things aren't as dire as they went. No. No, you got to hire a coach now. It's been weird for them because they thought they were hiring John Somerall. Now it looks like John Somerall may pick Florida tomorrow. So you don't know what Auburn does. I don't know if they're going to elevate DJ Durkin. Is there another candidate in the, in the mix? that we don't know about. Do they reopen it? How does that work?

That's the question. But for Alabama, SMU just missed a field goal. You escaped. Yes, SMU misses a field goal. Cal's going to win. Duke is going to go to the ACC championship game and we're going to have a conversation about the open letter Ari wants to write to Jim Phillips after we talk about Auburn and Alabama. For Alabama, Ari, this is a huge one for Kalin-a-Boer because these are the games that he's been losing. This is the Oklahoma game this year, the Oklahoma game last year. These are the games that he had to be careful about. He had to find a way to win this one. It was ugly. It didn't always go their way. But Ty Simpson, magician when he needed to be. Look, don't give me, though, he's great at drawing flags. He's also

great at making great throws on fourth and one or running for the first down on fourth and two. I think magician's a good word. The refs didn't do that for him. Ty Simpson has an uncanny ability to pull something out of his ass when his team needs it the most. David and the chief. chat. Flags kept BAM in the game. Flags also kept Auburn in the game. No, I don't know if you, I know people watch the game through the lens that they're rooting for, but I don't know how a unbiased person or just a general college football fan can watch that game and not be impressed by what Ty Simpson is going to be one of the favorites for the Heisman trophy. I don't know if he's going to win. And the thing is, oh, by the way, you got your wish and I got my wish.

Did you see when the Heisman-electer email came in last week? it was uh no no what they're not opening the voting until saturday oh okay good that's what was my wish that they wouldn't open voting until after the games but now the games won't all be done but it's going to be saturday afternoon so nobody's really going to vote until after the games are all done which is good and so tie simpson julian saying fernando mendoza will all be playing on championship weekend and let me let's get this straight what is your take on regular season award and how conference championship games factor into that. I agree.

If you're allowed to vote after the games, the conference. It's an extension of the season. So, like, that is a pretty, pretty impressive performance from Ty Simpson. Listen, I don't know if I think that Alabama is a team that's going to go win the national title, but when you have a quarterback that gets you what you need

every time you're facing a critical down. Literally every time it feels like. So, yeah, I do find it. musing that we kind of meandered around the season of everybody sucks, everybody's good, everybody sucks, wait, this team's good, and then we just wound up in Alabama, Georgia in the championship game. But not in the way we thought we get there for sure. We just eventually got there.

But yeah, like this game kind of capped off a weekend where there weren't really any shocking upsets unless you want to consider Texas A&M losing a shocking upset, but they were only a two and a half point favorite. Right. And Cal beating SMU doesn't feel that shock. to me. It doesn't feel that shocking. They did inspire their coach last week. Nick Rollovich is getting interviewed on the sideline, right, or in the, at midfield right now. I do think that you can file that under the

bizarre category. Well, it's going to, let's talk about it because, look, the Alabama thing's huge. Big win for Caitlin abhor. And Alabama's going to the playoff. Yeah, Alabama's going to the playoff. Alabama's going to the SEC championship game. Georgia will play Alabama in the in the SEC championship game. Alabama is in the playoff. They can lose the SEC championship. game. I don't think they're going to punish them for that. Right. If anything, if last year was precedent anyway. Right. And maybe we should talk about whether or not there's new community. They're doing everything else differently this year. Maybe they'll do that differently. Are they going to punish

teams that lose their conference championship games? Maybe a talking point for next week. It does seem like a pretty good bet that Alabama will be in even if they lose that. Do you know who else should be very excited right now? Who? The James Madison Dukes. Can we talk about why the James Madison? and Duke should be excited. Yes, because if Duke wins the ACC championship game, that would be a five-loss conference champion. And I think that people live under the assumption that the four highest-ranked conference champions that have their spots reserved in the playoff have to come from the power conferences. And that's not necessarily true. No, it is just the five

highest-ranked conference champions. That's the rule. So as a rule of thumb, we've kind of been living under the assumption that the group of five representative in the college football playoff would be the winner of the American conference, which then, you know, coming into the weekend, at least felt like kind of an elimination situation for James Madison. They're not going to take two G5 teams. Yeah. I know we're already living in the world where the Big 12 might get to. We're certainly not going to extend that to, well, guess what?

But now the ACC is inviting a five-loss team to its goal. I mean, they earned it, man. They earned it. And if that five-loss team wins, does that five-loss team automatically? get the bid over James Madison. Also, is it within the realm of possibility? Because I am contractually obligated by my payments that come in from Coral Gables to ask this question, if the conference champion is five-lost Duke,

is it possible that James Madison and Miami go, but the winner of the ACC doesn't? Like, that could happen. It's not against the rules. It is also possible that Miami doesn't go. And James Madison does, along with the American champion. Along with the American champ. Yeah.

But I just wanted to clear it up. It's not against the rules just because your conference champion doesn't go. That doesn't mean that you can't have an at-large if they take a conference champion from another G5 conference. So that's like Banana Land out there. Now, I don't know if Duke is going to, but I don't think you can just sit there and say Virginia is going to win. Virginia's beaten Duke when they played. Yeah. But I don't know if I'm going into the Charlotte matchup, assuming anything about that.

Virginia looks great, by the way. Yeah, Virginia took care of business on Saturday night, 27 to 27, and, you know, never really sweating that game. And Virginia just beat Duke 34 to 17 two weeks ago, so just remember that. Right. Rematches are weird. The ACC is certainly bizarre. I don't know if I'm going to sit there and pencil in that Duke can't win that game right now.

So it is a very interesting thought exercise. Rodney in the chat, the ACC can override the tiebreaker per Nicole Auerbach. No. Nicole sent a tweet saying they should do it. It's a good segue. They can't do it. Ari wants them to do it too. Tell them what I said before Nicole tweeted that to you.

You said you were going to write an open letter to ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, asking him to change the rules just randomly like conferences did in COVID. Yeah, like Big Ten changed the rules in the middle of COVID to allow Ohio State to go over to the Big Ten championship over Indiana. Now, let me ask you this. Yes. What's Jim Phillips's job? He's the commissioner of the ACC. And what are his responsibilities as the commissioner of the ACC? make the ACC as prominent as possible, put the ACC teams in the best position to succeed.

Now, this would piss a lot of people off, but what is right for the ACC? Miami, Virginia and the ACC championship game. It's not going to happen. Counselor, I arrest my case. Listen, you just had a never-ending argument about rules or rules and. Well, no, not rules or rules, but about the Miami Notre Dame thing with a guy who actually agrees with you, but cannot comprehend that the committee isn't going to move Miami ahead of Notre Dame because they're not people will be amused by this

Andy I want to tell them yeah yeah go go for one of our loyal listeners came to hang out with us tonight while we're watching the games this man was so upset about Miami being ranked behind Notre Dame and the thought exercise that we both agreed that it's probably not going to happen that I thought he was going to melt down like I mean he was talking about this for for an hour straight and he he i was like you sound like arey dude and it was so ruthless and so relentless that he beat the shit out of me to the point where i don't want to discuss it anymore so congratulations notre name fans are he's been broken doing it i'm broke he's a broken man but you are right in that if i wrote this column this open letter to commissioner jim phillips

to alter who goes to the ACC championship game to adhere to what would be the best teams in our view, that would also be contradictory to my thought process about how the playoff ranking should work, which is the results of the games need to matter. The results of the ACC games led to Duke going to the championship game and as bad as it is optically for the ACC to have a five-loss team in their championship game, they did it.

They earned it on the field and they have really stupid tiebreakers and that's Jim Phillips's decision to visit in the offseason. Does the ACC Commissioner retroactly count the UVA loss to NC State as a conference game, which it wasn't, thus making it Miami versus Duke? Nope, no, they don't. That comment is just a perfect illustration of how stupid the sport is, by the way. Unbelievable, unbelievably stupid. It's not a conference game.

But, yeah, so here we are. We found a way. We were joking about this two weeks ago when it literally happened. It's so incredible. because we were like it's not going to have and it felt like the chances got slimmer and slimmer the path got slimmer and slimmer because it needed what it needed the the fine line that had to be trod there was Louisville had to lose to SMU and SMU then had to lose to Cal like it had to happen in that order which happened and it happened so here we are here we are Andy where to next I think we should go into the latest with Wayne Yes, the latest with the lane. So we do not have a decision yet, but we suspect it may happen during this show or early in the morning because a lot of the delay, it seems like, has been figuring out whether Alabama was going to win the Iron Bowl

and whether Ole Miss was going to be in the SEC championship game or not. Ole Miss is now not going to be in the SEC championship game. So it really comes down to, does Lane Kiven want to take the LSU job? Ole Miss is probably not going to let him coach if he takes the LSU job. I think the chances that are pretty slim. So the plan probably is he's going to take the LSU job and he's not going to coach Ole Miss in the playoff.

Unless he changes his mind at the last second. Some reporting that has been floating around the internet and from on three that the game that we were watching, the Iron Bowl, could have a deciding factor on this, which I think is a clear. indication that he is being pulled, as you predicted earlier in the day, Andy, by his heartstrings and the desire to want to see what he built at Ole Miss through. But now he doesn't have to worry about the SEC championship game, and is he going to turn

down LSU for this? And I don't think he's going to. Yep. It doesn't look like that he is. So, you know, we have had 10 conversations about Land Giffin in the last week. I don't know anything else to really add. Marty Smith has done Yeoman's work today. Can we give a shout out to our man, Marty?

Because he's been posted up the Ole Miss facility, going live on all the various ESPN platforms, like every five minutes for the last 14 hours. Yeah, and it does at this point. And he's still wearing a suit. As we're nearing midnight on the East Coast, feel like at some point by noon tomorrow he will be LSU's coach. It does feel that way.

It feels that way. It does feel that. Okay, so if we're doing coaching carousel, we think that Lane Kiffin becomes LSU's coach. We think Ole Miss makes a call to John Sumerall, but right now John Sumerall seems pretty far down the road with Florida. Right. Not Auburn, who we thought was going to hire him.

So we don't know what Auburn does at that point if John Summerall decides to go to Florida. The other potential suitor for John Sumerall that it's not open, but man, if you read KSR right now, what's going to happen with Kentucky? Because Louisville just annihilated Kentucky on Saturday, and it looks really bad. And it doesn't sound like anybody wants to go in the offseason with Mark Stoop's coaching,

but again, $37 million do within 60 days. I don't know how you do it. Why don't you inform the audience of what Mark Stoop said tonight, too? He said, no chance he walks away, zero percent chance. And of course, why would you walk away? way. Make them pay your ass. Yeah. I don't know if Kentucky is going to rise up on the pantheon of SEC jobs right now to steal summer all the way from his suitors. But, you know, I don't know,

it gets crazier things have happened. Well, and then, you know, we kept talking about there are no coordinators, really. It doesn't feel like in this cycle. Will Stein might be the one. Now, he's a Louisville grad. He's a Louisville alum. But He's a Kentucky native. He's also kind of next in line as the next hot coordinator. So, yeah, I, as somebody who's been with Andy for the past 24 hours, I have seen his phone blowing up perpetually from people in his town. You know, he's the king of, not happy, king of Gainesville.

But I am kind of amused in the back of my head of like, I guess they wouldn't be that pissed. But like, if they found out that somebody chose the Kentucky Jones. job over them. Oh, they go insane. Even if they didn't want the candidate. Well, what's interesting to me is the day started, because obviously the Sumerall thing has been trending toward Florida for a couple days now, but the day started with Auburn fans melting down because they couldn't get John Sumerall and Florida fans melting down because they would get John Summall, which I find hilarious. One group thinks he's the savior,

one group thinks he's a bump. Now, it would be kind of funny, though, if they lost the candidate that they don't want because they had to look themselves in the mirror and realize that somebody would rather coach a Kentucky. Now, that would be quite a emotional puzzle. I don't think that's going to happen, even though he's a Kentucky alum. But, I mean, crazier stuff's happened. That would be a puzzle. And also, who do you go after if you're Auburn?

Yeah. So, Jay Cart, now we're going to have potentially two playoff teams without a coach. Both coaches in the American championship game, we think Tulane has been announced as the host of the American championship games. They've not, I was looking at their Twitter feed. They've not announced North Texas or Navy, I think it's North Texas, but if it is Tulane, North Texas, both those coaches are gone as soon as Summerall makes a decision. Eric Morris has already taken the Oklahoma State job.

Now, in that case, whoever wins that game, I would imagine will be allowed to coach in the playoff by their new team because it's not the same thing. Yeah. And their old team would make. I just don't understand, and I don't know if it's the new calendar or what, but like Lane Kiffin's not the first coach to get. hired away. Is he like the first head coach like this coach to get hired away for the playoff for the playoff. Yeah. So Ari, I asked you this. I asked you this question earlier tonight of all the

coordinators who got hired his head coaches and then served it out with with the old team throughout the playoff. Only one of them got fired in the middle of the playoff. Who was that coach? Lane Kiffin. That was Lane Kiffin. So if you're Ole Miss, you've probably imagine it will end badly so you're probably not going to let him coach yeah you know we've been debating and i think you probably won the argument about whether or not it makes sense to keep him and i think that the way that the argument is won and the reason why i lose is because i'm operating because everybody agrees with me i'm including all athletic directors i'm operating under the assumption that him staying would make o miss better on the field and i don't know if that's true so you know

with the distractions and all the things that happened to, Andy. Yeah, SWC Gunner 581 also points out the Penn State job is also open. I don't think Terry Smith's getting it. You know, I do think who's that going to be? I wonder if once Lane Kiffin News comes off the board and he just picks his destinations, that the other dominoes fall in a way that we can start having a more rational conversation about who should be hiring what. I feel like we've gotten so caught up and where's Lane Kiffing going to go that all the other

worthy candidates that are out there that might not be as famous as I've watched people text you about Lincoln Riley and it's like let go of all these fantasy coaches that you've only liked because you've heard of them or they did something cool in 2017 and let's start actually having real conversations about accomplished coordinators accomplished coaches at lower levels maybe that are qualified to make these jumps that might actually turn out to be the best higher of the Bob Chesney I know he's been targeted by UCLA but I still wonder is he in the mix for Penn State right now. I don't know. I don't even know

who like Penn State. He's at James Madison. By the way, also if Duke wins the ACC, could James Madison be in the playoff with their coach going somewhere else? Yeah, I don't know, but like have, when you think about how many jobs are open, how much, like, the amount of time we've spent talking about

Bob Chesney is not commensurate with how good of a candidate he is. Because we're so consumed by Lane Kiffin drama. Because Lane Kiffin's more interesting than all these guys. He is. That's how he is. That's how he It is more interesting than those guys. But there are five jobs open in one coach.

And unless he can tear off all of his limbs and send one in every direction. I actually think that given what I've seen from Florida fans in the past two days, if Lane Kiffin could send them one arm and one of Lane Kiffin's arms could coach Florida, they'd take it. They're that desperate for Lane Kiffin. You do like the Adams family hand. Thing, yes. Thing just holds a play sheet, throws it up when the receiver pops.

Run the damn ball hand. yes oh thing sorry thing thing yes so also this happened tonight Notre Dame is playing right now at Stanford they're up 28 to nothing but Jeremiah I love got hurt earlier tonight oh he did yes like are we talking like here's the injury I'm showing you now he got it looks like he got kneading the ribs okay so at least it's not leg related right and and remember Notre Dame doesn't have to play again until play it until the first round of the playoff. Yeah.

So there is time. And they certainly don't need to put him back in the game tonight. Yeah. I hope he's okay. He's one of the most sensational players in the country and somebody who should be going to New York. So, you know, I'm not very good at this looking at a replay and diagnosing. I thought Marcel Reed blew his knee out and he didn't even hurt his knee on Friday night.

It was his ankle. I thought it was an Achilles. I thought he thought it was a season-ending injury and he was back in after one play. So, you know, here's what we'll say. I hope Jeremiah Smith's okay, and I hope Notre Dame gets this win in a big fashion, and we have a fun debate next week. Well, we might, and look, I don't know who would jump Notre Dame at this point, and I think Alabama winning and Oklahoma surviving. That's another game that was crazy today. That LSU Oklahoma game came down to the wire.

Well, all the teams that are on the bubble got zero help today. Right, right. But, well, Michigan didn't win, so that was big. Ohio State broke the streak against Michigan. And that kept the bid thieves away. Oklahoma feeling like it was going to lose had a lot of people salivating and then they ended up pulling it out. Yes. And then the Alabama Auburn thing was interesting, but ultimately Alabama pulls that out.

So really, yeah, the drama that could have been was averted for the most part. You know, and I think it's interesting because like you and I were anticipating that this 24 hours of football was going to yield some pretty shocking results and that didn't happen. But I think if you peel back the curtain a little bit and you look at the way. that things are shaping out for the playoff. The fact that no teams lost and freed up spots is actually going to make next week more dramatic. It's going to be interesting because it is going to change some stuff up. First of all, Texas A&M is going to drop.

So we got Georgia and Alabama in the SEC championship game. So like, where does that land? Like if I did the math here. Okay. I did it. All right. I want to see this. Based on my calculations as of right now,

there are two college football playoff spots remaining that aren't spoken for. No, let's go through who's in then. Okay. Alabama. Sorry, let's start from the top. Yes. Ohio State, Indiana.

Indiana. Okay. Georgia. Yep. Ole Miss. Yes. Oklahoma. Yes.

Texas A&M. Correct. Oregon. Oregon 7. Okay. ACC champ or Group of five champ. Big 12 champ. Big 12 champ.

Not ACC. Yeah. No, but I was meaning like, yeah, yeah, yeah, the power five. Just the five conference champions. It's still five. Okay. Group of five is nine, and then Notre Dame is 10. Okay.

Or sorry, not Notre Dame. Notre Dame is nine. Ari. Sorry, you've been doing this. Yeah, I need to hold the microphone closer to my face. Sorry, I was doing my best to do both. I saw other, who are we forgetting? Who's the last team?

We're not forgetting anybody. It's 10. Okay. I thought I counted out nine. Yeah, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Oregon, Texas Tech, Georgia, Texas A&M, Indiana, Ohio State, ACCC, ACC, ACHC, CHAMP, except maybe not ACC champ, maybe American champ and Random Champ. Yeah, so that gets us to 10.

Yeah. And then that means that there are two spots left for six teams. These are the six teams, Andy. Yep. Notre Dame, Miami, Alabama, BYU, Vanderbilt, and Texas. Except not in that order. No, those are the six teams. Because the committee has Notre Dame, Alabama.

BYU and then we'll see where they rank everybody else. Yeah, but you have two spots for six at largest and those are the six that are five. Because I don't think they're moving BYU, I don't think they're moving Notre Dame or Alabama.

Yeah, what I just put out there wasn't the specific order they're currently ranked. It's the six teams that we have to sit through their resumes to figure out who's most worthy of those final two spots, which means that as things stand right now, there are going to be four teams that have legitimate cases to be in the playoff that are going to be disappointed

it on Sunday. And if you actually look back next Sunday, if you look back, Jim Phillips did not listen to your suggestion. The ACC has officially announced the title game will be Duke versus Virginia and Charlotte. But Andy, going back to what we were talking about, last year's bubble gripes about 9 and 3 Alabama, 9 and 3 Ole Miss, and 9 and 3 South Carolina pale in comparison to the angst that we're going to feel next Sunday as a result of today's results. nothing happened no spots got freed which means six teams two spots

it is north texas by the way north texas two lane they announced it right after the north texas win so it is it is north texas two lane yeah in the american championship game so i want to ask the chat tell us what you think but of those six teams who are the two that you would pick everybody's got a different two i think you know one of the teams that i would pick based on

the way I yell at the microphone for the past. I think the committee is going to pick another name in Alabama because that's what they've told us. Yeah. So that means that Miami, Texas, Vanderbilt, and BYU are all going to feel snubbed next Sunday. If the way things go, go. Now, here's what can change that. BYU, of all of those, is the only one with some control. BYU can beat Texas Tech and BYU's in.

Yeah. And then that opens up a secondary conversation that might not be a conversation about whether Texas Tech is on the driving block. Right, exactly. And that would be a very interesting conversation because that would mean somebody's got to go out of Notre Dame and Alabama. Or not on Notre Dame and Alabama,

because Alabama has control too, because if they win the SEC championship game, they're in. Yeah, you very much, you very confidently said that you think that if BYU wins, Texas Tech will get in. And I want you to kind of start thinking through, like, if they're head-to-head compared to Notre Dame, what might happen there?

It'll be interesting. Like, I don't know if it's a possibility. I don't know if it's a certainty. That is going to be, so the BYU and Alabama have the most control over their situations out of these teams. They can win and they're guaranteed a spot. Everybody else is waiting and watching. And again, we alluded to this at the beginning of the show. We've been operating under the assumption that it's fact that whoever loses conference championship games isn't going to be punished because they weren't last year.

But who said that they're not? Right, because this committee's not acting like the other committees. They've not acted like the other committees the whole time. So I don't know that we should assume anything. But I am assuming that because of where they've had Notre Dame, that they're not moving them down. No three-loss team made the field last year, right? No.

So if Alabama loses, though, in the SEC championship game, they will be the first three-loss team. Oh, that's not true. Clemson did as an automatic. They were automatic. That doesn't count. There hasn't been an at-large team with three losses, regardless of when those losses occurred to make the field,

and there's only been one-year sample size. Right. But operating under the assumption that if Alabama loses the SEC championship that they're in, they would be the first at-large three-loss team ever. Correct. Correct. But they would be 10-3 and 3 and not 9-3. They would be 10 and 3.

And I think that makes a difference. So that's going to be, that is going to be a huge debate, just like all these coaches, these coaching moves are going to be a debate. This is going to be, I think Tuesday night, will be very educational because we want to see where A&M falls. Like, where do you think A&M lands Tuesday? Six. Six.

Okay. I need the land in front of Oregon. Behind Ole Miss. But behind Ole Miss. Okay. Yeah. That would make sense. Yeah.

So I don't know if this is published yet, but my top 10, if I were on the committee, my rankings would be number one, Ohio State, number two, Indiana, number three, Georgia, number four, Ole Miss, number five, Texas Tech, number six, A&M, number seven, Oregon, number eight, Miami number nine um hmm who am I I got a I got to look at it where's your where's Oregon where's

Ole Miss? Yeah Ole Miss would be five uh I'm getting lost oh are you here it is I got it all right number one Ohio state number two Indiana number three Georgia number four Ole Miss number five Texas Tech numbers six A&M number seven

Oregon number eight Miami number nine Oklahoma number 10 Alabama. Okay. So you would knock Notre Dame out, which the committee's not going to do. Yeah, based on resume. Yeah. Yep. No. It's not going to happen. But that's fine. You speak your truth. That's my truth. Yeah. I mean, I agree with you. That's somebody who cares about the game. I agree with you on the head-to-head thing, but I'm telling you right now, the committee has spoken on this and they're not backing off. Yeah. So we shall see what happens with that. We still wait for Lane Kiffin. We got to talk about some of these other results.

You know, we mentioned the Florida Summerall thing. Florida won. Florida beat Florida State. Nice win. Billy Gonzalez, first win as a head coach. Congratulations to Billy Gonzalez. Norville running across the field to shake hands. Look, miserable.

The most miserable. I have got to do this again next year. And yes, you do because you are coming back. Florida State, like they announced he was coming back last week. And I don't know, like, Florida State can't take that back. I don't think Baylor can take it back. How do rivalries work, though, Andy, when you win a rivalry game by 19 points? But, like, it's in these circumstances.

It doesn't. It's Florida happy? Well, no, their fans are really mad because they don't want the coach they're going to hire. So, yeah. But you don't like talk shit to your, to your rival after winning like that. Oh, yes, they do. Okay, you do. Because they're like, at least it's not your situation.

Yeah, at least we're not as shitty as you. Yeah. Because that's what this whole sport's about, right? Shaden Freud. Exactly. Exactly. And that's what the Louisville fans are doing. Like, well, I mean, obviously, Jeff Rom. Well, we think Jeff Rom's not going. Could Jeff Rom be going to, like, Penn State or somewhere? I don't know. Like, again, we don't. The Penn State job is still kind of a mystery here. Florida making fun of Florida State, though, is kind of like somebody who's picking up a welfare check, pointing in laughing at a homeless person, right? Probably. I mean, that's highly offensive, the whole, the whole scene.

that you just laid out. But, yeah, I think the Florida fans at this point happy to make fun of the one group of people they can make fun of. And that's the one group. Yeah. Oh, this is going to be a crazy, crazy next couple days. So we're still waiting on the Kiffin thing.

Do you think he sleeps on it? I mean, it's midnight. What is there to sleep on? It's midnight. It's not midnight where he is. Goose down? I'm sure he's got a nice match. Does he do a little hot yoga in the morning?

Yeah. Before just saying the decisions. But it doesn't sound like we're still deliberating on what we should do. It's how we're going to do it. Right. And that can be complicated. Yes. But I don't think Ole Miss is deliberating that.

Like, I put it out earlier tonight. And obviously, the more important poll was our Brett McMurphy put it out. He talked to a bunch of athletic directors this week. And they all said they would not let Lane Kiff and coach in the playoff if he took the LSU job. So R. He thinks he should. I put it out to, I said Ole Miss fans could respond on Twitter now. I don't know if it was all Ole Miss fans. But I'd say the split was about 98 to 2 percent. Yeah. That they will not, do not want him coach me to play. I want to rephrase my position on it. If Layton Kiffin gives you a 10% chance better odds avoiding the national

title by existing on the sideline, I think you burn everything else on the ground and worry about it after he leaves. But what if the entire point? What if he's the one guy? Get him out of there. When he was a coordinator who got hired to be head coach who got fired. Then get him out of there. My assumption was that people would like Lane Kiffin to be around.

But they clearly don't. And that's what those whole thing's about. So, you know, I told you this. I'm in a pretty expensive fantasy baseball league. Right. And I had Mike Trout in his prime. And I was in third place. I traded Mike Trout.

way kind of like the angels for four or five upgrades at other positions to win the league now i didn't get to keep mike trout my team was in shambles the next year but you get rid of everything and anything in your way to stop you from winning a national title is hard yeah and like when's the last time old miss was in a position to win the national title andy they're going to piss down their leg about it because they're afraid that somebody might make a recruiting call in his office there like it's not going to make a recruiting call his office you'll walk down to the locker room and be like hey want to come play with me at LSU? And are those same players going to maybe consider going to LSU after the season?

Yes, but their head coach won't be currently recruiting them for another school. Yeah. I'm telling you that's a distraction. I get that it's dice. I get it. All I'm saying is if he gives you a 10% chance, better chance to win, you eat that stuff. But you're saying that he doesn't, so get rid of him. We agree.

His history speaks for itself. Yeah. Now maybe he's a changed man. You watched the documentary, didn't you? I did. Can I need to talk about that for two minutes? We can. Do you think that just because he's taking a new job doesn't mean that he has changed?

He might have changed. You can change and still want to get a better job. Sure. Because I feel like that's a lot of like, but there was a lot of Oxford is the place that changed me. I owe a lot to Ole Miss, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. When in fact, it may have been a little propaganda piece to get what he considered to be a quote unquote bigger job. That'd be an evil. evil little plan, but a good one.

I mean, a good one. Made them look real good. Yeah. Andy, we were at a game today. You want to talk about that? We were at a game today. Ohio State broke the streak against Michigan. 27 to 9. It was tight for most of the first half, but you knew it was coming.

And when I knew it was coming, and I wrote a column about this, was late in the first quarter when Michigan had, has a second and five. They run a play. There's a whole call on their H-back. So it should be second and 15, except Ohio State declines the penalty and makes it third and five, which is the ultimate in disrespect, because it's basically Ryan Day looking across the sideline at Sharon Moore and saying, you do not have the dudes to get these five yards, and everyone in this stadium knows it. So humiliating. And he was right. They gained one yard. It was ballsy to do it. And then after he was right, it was humiliating for me.

And then on fourth and five, you get the in the bucket throw to Jeremiah Smith, which may or may not been a fumble out of the end zone because he was bobbling as he crossed. I'm going to level with you here, Haas. That was a fumble. They didn't have the angle on it, according to the official. I had the angle on it. According to Cole Cnipple, ABC had a pretty good angle of it. Well, the officials reviewed it and said they didn't.

But here's the thing about that. Whether or not it was may have changed the game in the moment. But I think the better team won the game. Yeah, wouldn't change the outcome. Andy, you know, I'm very familiar with things that go on there and how I think I'm in pretty good tuned with how Ohio State fans tend to feel. Absolutely. Go back in time and think about the past few years in the way that Ohio State has lost this game. I'm going to go through four different things.

Okay. Inability to run the ball themselves. They have been trying for the last four years to run the ball to much of Ohio State fans dismay. Right. into what might have been the best interior defensive line that we've seen. I think we found out today that we didn't already know that Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham were really good. We're not walking through that door. The Buckeyes outrushed the Wolverines 186 to 100 in the game.

Running back, BoJackson carried the ball 22 times for 117 yards. And Michigan got outrushed, which continued the streak for the stat that you said. Yes. Number two, the inability to stop Michigan's run. On Saturday, the first offensive play for Michigan was a 36-yard run from running back Jordan Marshall. He finished the game with 61 yards. Now, Marshall's shoulder was banged up, yeah.

But Michigan was, again, limited in the passing attack, but did not control the ball through bully ball like they had in the past. No broken runs, no sucked out souls. The Wolverines rushed for 0 or negative 8 yards in the entire second half of the game. Number three, the inability to get its balls to the playmaker. That's gross, sorry. to get balls to the playmaker. To get its balls.

It's midnight. Both star receivers for Ohio State. Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate had touchdown receptions on this game. Explosive plays, yes. Both came into the game banged up and apparently had to do a lot of rehab this week to even be able to play. Lastly, failing to be tougher. How many plays during the four-game losing streak did Michigan suck the life out of Ohio State physically? And I want to point you to one drive, and I haven't read your column yet, but you might have written about this.

Saturday, Ohio State went on a 20-play, 81-yard touchdown drive where it ran the ball down the Rooverine's throat. The drive culminated in a field goal that expanded the lead to a three-possession game late in the game. But they beat Michigan on that final drive the way that Michigan has beaten Ohio State the last four years. And I want to say that whatever narrative you have or whatever thought you have about Ryan Day, Ohio State, their toughness, their ability to beat their riot. their ability to win on the road or their ability to win a national championship. When you think about every single negative thing that you could have said about Ryan Day a year ago today, right. Every single one of them has been disproven. Yes.

They've won a national title. They can win big games. They've won 16 games in a row. Of those 16 games, seven came against ranked opponents. Now, that certainly helps when you win four in a row in the playoff and win the national title. And then you go on the road and beat the crap out of your rival. Finish the season 12 and O, going to the Big Ten championship game for the first time since. 2020 and that's going to be a hell of a game ohio state indiana it's going to be the best game

of the weekend next week excited to see that game but things are pretty good in columbus right now very good yeah very good now else we're in the big 10 Oregon beats washington on the road 26 14 huge win for the ducks that's a big rivalry game it it was is I don't easy probably in the right word but it felt like they were very much in control the entire time never felt like they were going to lose for a second yeah yeah um and that's a rivalry game that's been tricky for them. It has. And Washington had been. Well, you go to two years ago, they played two classic games and Washington won them both. Right. And those classic games, if I remember correctly, and both of them, Dan Lanning went for fourth downs, latent games or in critical. Well, that was the

first, the first speeding two years ago. The second one, Washington ran the ball down Oregon's throat at the end. And Dan Lanning said basically, hey, we got to be more physical. Definitely the more physical team today. Yeah. Oregon now is finished the regular season 11 and 1. Their best win of the season against USC. Their only loss of the season, 10-point loss at home to Indiana. They don't have any sexy wins, which is part of the reason why they're flying under the radar a little bit, but also

very reasonably good schedule. All right. Ducks fly together. They do. Quack. Quack. Quack. Quack. Mr. Ducksworth. You know, I've got the theory. Here's my theory about Oregon. Last year, you go through the entire season. You're the apple of everybody's eye. You're quacking all over the place.

You're undefeated Big Ten champions. And then they quacked all over themselves in the Rose Bowl. and then they got quacked on in the Rose Bowl. Maybe this is the inverse of last year. I've been thinking this since watching the USC game. I feel like they are rounding into form at exactly the right time. They're getting people back healthy. They now have, because they don't want,

they're not playing the Big Ten championship game so that when next we see them, it'll be December 19th or 18th or 19th, whatever the Friday and the Saturday are. It'll be one of those days. And they're going to, I think they'll be healthy. They're going to get matched up maybe with like an ABMA or an Ole this or an A&M or something, and it'll be very interesting to see them.

They've got really good players, and it always comes back down to that. Well, and that's a thing. You've asked me multiple times today if Ohio State doesn't win the national title, who does? And both times I have answered Oregon. I'd love to hear your opinion on that chat, or even asking everybody that. We don't know, but Oregon seems like a pretty good play to me. Yeah. All right. Chat, this is Ari's question. I want all of you to drop the answer into the chat. If Ohio State isn't the national champion, who is? All answers will be accepted at this point.

I got JMU winning at all. All right. Wyatt has JMU. Ole Miss, Notre Dame, Oregon, Indiana, Georgia. So basically every team in the playoff, which makes it fun. That's what we want in the playoff. We don't want it to be just the same two or three teams. Now, here's the thing.

It is, though, because it's basically this one team versus the field. All right. Who are you taking? Yeah. You're answering Ari's question, chat. Now I want you to answer Andy's question. Are you taking for the national title, Ohio State or the field? You can choose one of the two.

Who you got? Dun, dun, dun, don, don't, don't, Virginia. Virginia, hey, they could be in the playoff. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. We got it at the field. The field. Ohio State. Field. Mostly the field. A lot of fields. Ohio State's coming in. What did he add it to his Instagram story. Let's see what we got. It's a highlight reel. It's a highlight reel.

Wouldn't he just do that right now? No, it was yesterday. Stupid Instagram. You're supposed to let me know immediately when he does it, not yesterday. I thought that happened right now. Andy. I'm seeing a lot of the field here. What's your answer? I'd say Ohio State, but if it's the field, that means we're going to have a lot of fun. Um, I think it's Ohio State. That would be my bet. Ohio State was like plus 175 at that MGM to win the championship. Oh, Producer River put a, put a poll in the chat. 132 votes.

The field is at 64% right now. Um, um, okay, now let's do this game. I'm going to play another game with you. All right. I'm getting delirious now. We've been doing this for about 45 minutes.

It's past midnight. Daddy's tired, but I'm going to have some fun with you. All right. Let's go. I'm going to go to the CFP rankings. Yes. And I'm going to ask you if this team is good enough to win the national title and you tell me yes or no. Okay.

Ohio State. Yes. Indiana. Yes. Yes. Georgia. Yes. Texas Tech.

Yes. Oregon. Yes. Ole Miss. Yes. No. Notre Dame. Maybe.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Is a yes. Yes. No. Miami. No. You sack a shit. I.

I knew where we were headed. That's wild. You think Miami can win four games in a row in this scenario? I don't know. I don't. I was setting you up for that. I had the punchline the whole time. Yeah.

But that's a lot of yeses. It is a lot of yeses, and I'm excited about that. That pumps me up. You didn't even let me get the Vandy. No. Utah. No. Texas.

No. They lost to Florida. He gave you one of these before the answer. They lost to Florida. I'm sorry. It was a bad voice crack right there. Yeah. And I think that's it.

Arizona. No. But a lot of yeses, though. I think that illustrates the point. And I don't know if we would have been there. And like here's the thing. All the teams that got yeses, I think, are unquestionably worse than Ohio State. But they could, they're not perfect.

They can lose. Yeah. So if they lose and then the field gets wide open, like it's like if you remove Ohio State from the equation. Then it becomes a free for a. It's going to be so much fun. Which reminds me of the NFL playoffs a little bit. Well, and the thing is like, Ohio State's going to come in as the prohibitive favorite,

but we thought Oregon was the prohibitive favorite last year. Like a lot can change as teams get healthy or have an extended break or have a buy and have a long break and don't play for a while and maybe they get rusty. That's what happened to Oregon last year. A lot can change. You know what's interesting about championship? championship weekend, though. Ohio State and Indiana both are coming into the Big Ten championship game running on all cylinders.

And I think that it's a highly compelling matchup because we still are convinced that Indiana is a very good team, but we're not 100% convinced that their Ohio state good. But let me ask you this. John is a BYU fan paid $9.99 for this, so we'll read this one. Just to be clear, if Georgia loses twice to Bama, they are out of the playoffs, right? Those are the rules everybody seems to apply to BYU. you. Okay, well, Georgia would still have a win over a playoff team, right? Ole Miss. How many wins against playoff teams would BUIU have? Oh, yeah, zero.

When you're having playoff debates, you can't just take one aspect of the conversation, apply it to your head to head, and then forget about the rest of the context. Yeah. And that's what people, and I'm not picking on him. They have the Utah win, but the Ole Miss win for Georgia's better than the Utah win for you. I always see this happening in the committee. There's a long, debate in the playoff context that includes an entire resume and you can take bits of certain resumes and

apply them to yours and yours comes out better but in the entire picture when you zoom out it's a disingenuous discussion and that's what that was like that wasn't that was thanks for the 10 bucks no but Andy I was going to say though Ohio State and Indiana are both coming into their conference

championship games humming yes and it's compelling because Ohio State and Indiana Ohio State is the judge or not. Indiana, we believe, is really, really good, but are we sure their Ohio State good? We're going to find out on Saturday. Right. But if you go look at the matchups of all the other conference championship games, how many of the teams can you say

are actually humming right now? Like, is Georgia humming after what we saw the other night? No, and they just lost their starting center. Is Alabama humming? Absolutely not. Is Duke humming? Yeah, buddy. They look good against Wake Forest. Yeah, they're coming. I would say Ohio State is humming.

Texas Tech is humming. And Indiana is humming. Indiana, yeah. Oregon's humming now. But Oregon's not playing in conference championship weekend. Yeah, but they're humming. But it's going to be an interesting Saturday. Because all the, I don't know, man. Texas Tech is humming. Texas Tech is definitely humming.

Yeah. They just beat West Virginia by like 50. Yeah, that was funny. We were in the press box at Ohio State, and somebody's like, just watch Rich Rod have something for him in like two minutes in the game. It's like, nope, 14. Absolutely not. 49.0.

That was the easiest bet of the Saturday, by the way. Oh, yeah. Texas Tech minus 24. Yeah, so we have Pete Thammel on the TV over here in the sports book talking about Lane Kiffin. And guess what? We got you beat, Pete. We're talking about it right here. Yeah.

The decision on the future is imminent. It's been imminent for hours. Yeah. Did they finally let Marty go home? I don't know. Is that what this means? Is Pete now taking over because they finally let Marty go home? Do you think Pete Thammel uses those glasses for fashion or for use?

Oh, no. Pete and I are the same age. He needs him to read. I can tell you that right now. Okay, because you wear them for fashion and need. I don't wear them for fashion. I wear them because my vision is bad, but also I need reading glasses when I wear my contacts. So, like, people watching the show, if I'm not wearing glasses, you're now watching me squint very hard when I'm trying to read a stat because I can barely read anything about the reading glasses.

Andy, I'm old. Wanted to take five minutes, and I wanted to acknowledge Vanderbilt. Yes, let's talk, Vandy. Vandy thumped Tennessee in Neeland. That was a thumper. In Knoxville. Yes. Diego Pavia is awesome.

I think Diego Pavia is going to land on Heism ballots in the top three. I don't know. I think the guys that are playing next weekend probably have a better chance of being number one on those ballots. but I think Diego Pobby is going to be on a lot of ballots. Going into Knoxville and winning 45 to 24 to get to a 10-win season in the SEC may not be enough for them to make it into the college football playoff, but shit, if it's not an impressive year. It's unbelievable.

It's unbelievable. And Clark Lee is staying. And so we'll see Clark Lee without Diego Pobvi because Diego Povia said he's done after this year, even though he could potentially sue for another year. I'd do it if I were him. get back to high school stay as long as you can that's my advice for everybody with college yeah i mean i don't know what his prospects are for being in the pros but i just like i want it clark lee has been on the show i think it's really cool that a lot of the coaches who have done good things at places

that aren't been considered destination jobs in the past have retained their coaches yeah it's made it more dramatic for the college carousel but at the same time too it's like cool for missou for keeping Eli drinkwoods. Cool for for Vandy. Yeah. Clark Lee and the full. Cool for SMU. Who, by the way, they're, yeah, they're not going to make the playoff this year. They were pretty close. If that field goal goes in, they go to overtime and they still have a chance at the ACD title. Yeah, but Lashley is a great coach. No question. He's locked up. I mean, it's really cool to see some of these places that are, you know, we used to think we're in the middle of the food chain somewhere, actually gobbling up these big time coaches. And in Vanderbilt, I just wanted to take a minute to acknowledge you.

That said, good segue into the Heisman trophy discussion. Because we're at this time of year right now. We don't really do Heisman stuff much. But right now, putting you on the spot, who is your top three for the Heisman trophy balloting? Ty Simpson. Fernando. See, this is my problem. Fernando Mendoza, Julian Sane, and Diego Povier, I feel like a right together.

I have Ty Simpson won, not by a ton. It's like all four of those I want to, I want to find a spot for it, but I don't know who to drop out. Who's who's the fourth one? It's Ty Sosin, Fernando Mendoza, Julian Say, and Diego Pavia. Yeah, and then I think there should be a fifth one. I think Jeremiah Love should be here too. And I wonder if the players who aren't playing next weekend or are at a disadvantage. Jeremiah Love is not obviously not.

Do you think that's your show, those five? I think those are the five. Yeah. I think those five may go to New York. Yeah. if I had to guess. I think those were the five. And I wonder if there is a built-in advantage for

San and Mendoza playing each other. Right. Now, Ty Simpson is also playing. Gunner Stockton's going to get some boats, but he's not going to be in the mix to win it. It feels like these other guys are. Big Ten championship game almost feels like a Heisman trophy. Well, that's the thing.

We can handicap it all we want now, but if somebody has a just otherworldly game next week, they're going to win. Yeah. It'll be the last thing everybody sees before they vote. Yeah. So Fernando Vendoza has a classic game, balls out, beats Ohio State. He's winning it.

It's just hard to imagine somebody who's not playing next weekend, winning it because people have reasons to buy it. I think that puts Diego Povia at a serious disadvantage. And the same which are my love. Yeah, exactly. So it's probably, you know, Ty Simpson, Julian's saying Fernando Mendoza, whoever has the best game out of those three probably ends up winning it. And Jacob Rodriguez is a really, really good player. I just don't know if we're ever going to get to a point where somebody who plays a position gets in. I love that they're using him on the goal as a wildcat quarterback.

I mean, they should try to get him some sort of moment because he doesn't play the right position, man. That's just the way it is. So, yeah, I would prefer if they, if we, we as an electorate did consider every position. I mean, the first Heisman vote I ever cast, I had an endowment suit number one because he was the best player in a country that year. how often do you feel like you have defensive players in your top five not not that often you have to be an ill anderson was oh yeah oh good i think that was a good vote yeah but i mean being real here as much as i love lineman the quarterback has the ball every play the quarterback affects the game every play so of course they're going to have outsized representation in the heisman vote yeah

of course they're yeah but i'm very excited about these games next week because I do think they are going to define the Heisman race. And I'm so glad they're not opening the balloting until next Saturday. Yeah. And I can't wait to get to Nashville with you, Andy. Did we miss anything? Oh, Clemson beat South Carolina in a game. I'm sure nobody enjoyed watching.

Yeah. This is just like the Florida Florida State conversation. Like, you get to make fun of your rival. At least you're not in there. At least they're not, wait, no. At least you are not in their situation. But I don't know that, I don't know that it's, anything you're that excited about because the season's just not been what you want other things

to acknowledge USC was losing to UCLA 10 to 7 at halftime outscored the Bruins by 22 in the second half 22 nothing 129 and 3 finish for the trojans Tulane closed it out as you guys know and then on Friday obviously Texas yeah we have we had a show last night talking about that um old miss you were caught up here so all right yeah I guess lane's not going to side tonight so we can go to bed right guess everybody go to bed we'll set like your push alerts might be your your alarm it might be our alarm what time are you setting your alarm for the morning i'm just going to tell pete naco's to call me okay call me and wake me up okay that's pete naco's will be my alarm clock what time should i set my alarm you should also suggest your alarm for pete naco's a clock or i'll just leave it on and then

you you it'll be a game of telephone he calls you you call me that works And I'll probably end up banging on your door because you probably won't plug your phone in the night and it'll die. I mean, I would like to get some sleep. Ari on road trips is Johnny Mansell at the Manning Passing Academy. He just lets his phone die and we never see him again. Yeah. At the senior bowl, Andy had to like bang on my door at like 5.15 in the morning.

And I was very glad it was your door because if it hadn't been, I might have gotten arrested. I was like literally in REM. But yeah, it was a really awesome day. And thank you to the Ben-MGM. Oh, yeah. The MGM Grand Detroit has been the best host, just incredible people here. If you get a chance, stay at this hotel.

It's awesome. The sports book is so much fun. The rooms were incredible. Tell them about the shower. I think I told them on a previous show. So I'm taking a shower in my room here at the MGM Graham, Detroit. And I was like, what's that sound? Did I change my phone ringtone?

I don't remember having soothing spa sounds as my phone ringtone. And then I realized, no, no, no, my shower is playing me, soothing spa music. I've never seen that before. I've got to say, it's a nice touch. And I don't have it in my room. I can't figure out how to turn it on, but if you know... I'm sure there's a switch somewhere.

If you find the switch, just tell me out of it. Because like spa music, by the way? Underrated? I think like... You big Anya fan? Are you a spa person? Sail away, sail away, sail away, say, no. I like spas. I like getting massages.

I like using the steam in the sauna. I like doing all that stuff. spa music is ultimate relaxation and i think that people should listen to it before they go to bed it's not not bad i like the uh the pink noise the white noise the brown noise the pink noise i don't know what that one is just going it's the best thing you sleep too wild it's electric dude good night everybody good night guys we'll talk to you in late kiff makes a decision