Andy & Ari On3 - College Football Week 8 INSTANT REACTION | Tennessee-Alabama, USC-Notre Dame, Ole Miss-UGA, and MORE

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

Join Andy & Ari on Saturday night at 11:30 pm et/10:30 pm ct to recap the entirety of College Football's Saturday slate. A jam packed show here, and Andy & Ari have you covered with every big game and moment from week 8... (0:00) On Tonight's Instant Reaction(0:31) BetMGM(2:12) Intro: Week 8 Instant Reaction(3:47) Notre Dame 34, USC 24(9:27) Alabama 37, Tennessee 20(13:33) Who is that good?(17:43) UCLA 20, Maryland 17(19:26) Florida State battles Stanford live(21:54) James Franklin's Interview, Penn State Opening(28:04) Georgia 43, Ole Miss 35(33:24) Ohio State 34, Wisconsin 0(34:25) Arizona State 26, Texas Tech 22(40:36) Texas 16, Kentucky 13 (OT)(45:47) Modelo(46:20) Florida 23, Mississippi State 21(51:23) Oklahoma 26, South Carolina 7(57:34) Coaching Carousel Update(58:16) Texas A&M 45, Arkansas 42(59:50) Missouri 23, Auburn 17 (2OT)(1:01:35) SMU 35, Clemson 24(1:06:03) Michigan 24, Washington 7(1:09:18) Vanderbilt 31, LSU 24(1:19:00) BYU 24, Utah 21(1:21:00) Previewing Week 9(1:22:39) UAB 31, Memphis 24(1:25:36) Indiana 38, Michigan State 13(1:27:35) Wrapping Up: Florida State Stanford Live   Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. This show is also sponsored by Modelo! Some things in life are just made for each other. Peanut Butter and jelly. Macaroni andcheese. Modelo and college football. If you’re watching this, it means you live and breathe football. All season long. You know what that makes you? A Full-Time Fan. Which means you deserve a Modelo. Because football wouldn’t be the same without you. Modelo is the official beer sponsor of The College Football Playoff. Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtube.com/live/_cYMcDxxhNE Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Welcome to an instant reaction edition of Andy and Ari on three presented by BetMGM. Ari, we are watching double overtime in Auburn and Missouri. Did you just see what happened there? They traded missed field goals. Yeah, but Eli Drinkwitz ran onto the field for the handshake and made it to the hash before he realized it was missed. Well, I saw a over-the-upright field goal attempt in Florida, Mississippi State that I think the Mississippi State people believe went in

and might have been the difference in the game. So it happens. Yeah, well, I'm happy that we're live to watch the end of this. I'm going to be tilting my neck to the left here as we keep tabs on it. But it can't be a good omen for your team if your coach ran to the field for a game-winning handshake. I do remember Butch Jones celebrating what he thought was a make in the swamp, and it was not a make. And that is, that's a tough way to go out. So we'll see.

They haven't gone out yet, but it was a jam-packed day. Andy, I don't know that anything happened on Saturday that was earth rattling or earth. shaking or not you know i think the most surprising thing that happened uh on the weekend um was friday night when miami lost to louisville but i thought that today was a very important day for context yeah and all the things oh right ryan in the chat says man you guys were wrong in u s on u s laughing my ass off no no no rie was wrong on u s i picked notre dame to cover try to keep up ryan try to keep up.

Can't have that. Can't have misrepresentation of my picks. Yeah. Were there like 19 turnovers in the red zone in that game? Because it felt like it. A lot. Oh, by the way, the over didn't hit because Notre Dame got stopped there at the end and then USC through a pick.

I'm keenly. When they were trying to walk through the back door. Yep. So do you want to start here? Do you want to start here, Andy? We started. Yeah, we'll start at Notre Dame USC. Notre Dame still alive in the playoff hunt.

Notre Dame ran for approximately 7 million yards against USC. Just dominated them on the ground. And did we do same old USC? I mean, is that how we feel? I don't know. Did it feel like that when you were watching it? It didn't really feel like that to me. Did it feel like Notre Dame was just bullying them?

You know. You can talk. Yeah. I want to try to work on talking over each other. I'm trying to be better about that. Notre Dame is a legitimate top 10 team, and they were at home, and the weather was bad. And I thought USC was in that game for, you know,

three and a half quarters. Like, I didn't feel like if you're looking for me to, like, go on a tirade about how USC got physically dominated or bullied again. Like, I didn't feel that way. They did. I mean, Notre Dame average seven yards of carry, but it was the gerian price kick return that won the game, I think, for Notre Dame. Yeah, you know, I think that this sets up nicely, you know, as we discussed Notre Dame's postseason candidacy three weeks ago.

Like I thought that this was a, you know, a pretty good win and something that I will keep them on the road to that. I think that, you know, it's still kind of, you know, what happens around Notre Dame that is going to impact whether or not they actually get into this thing. But I certainly watch Notre Dame and feel like they're a top 10 team. I mean, they didn't play a clean game. that C.J. Carr interception in the red zone was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen in my life where he ran backwards like 19 yards and flew it around and then chucked it to the middle of the field. It feels like there was a lot of that in that game on both sides. It felt like if you were on the over, you were probably on the right side of that and it just did not hit. That happened sometimes.

But, you know, if you go look at Notre Dame schedule for the rest of the year here, Andy, it doesn't look like they're going to lose another one. So, you know, buckle up for that. That was a, you know, a convincing win, I think. But I think USC is probably better than we gave them credit for to, you know, coming into the year. We're just not, you know, record-wise, we're not going to get there. But I still think they're a pretty good team. I don't feel like it's like the same old, same old Lincoln Riley. That wasn't my takeaway anyway.

We can disagree on that. Yeah, they gave up seven yards of carry and Notre Dame ran for 300 yards. So they pretty much got bullied. But it's fine. I mean, USC is not in a bad score. spot still. They can still compete for the college football playoff. It's not over for them yet. They just I just don't think it's going to happen. It's sort of like we did

a bigger takeaway instant reaction show on LSU Vanderbilt earlier today. And we kind of said you know, LSU not mathematically eliminated from the playoff. It just feels like they're done in that respect. It feels like USC's done in that respect. Yeah. And I think that's probably a fair take away. The thing with USC was that, you know, this season was never about making the college football player for being a failure. It was about stepping in the right direction. I think

Ryan Mayava is a really good player. I think that they have some pieces. Their receivers are really good now. You know, they're going to lose some of them after this year. So it's going to be about backfilling. But, you know, Notre Dame to me is going to be the Thorn and everyone's side that won't go away. And that's the type of game that you would expect from a team that's going to do that. Now, I don't know if, you know, USC is a top 15 team in the country, but it was a pretty good step in the right direction for Notre Dame who's now won four in a row and starting 0 and two in the season. Yeah, by the way, Missouri has first and goal. So we will see what happens because there's been some first and goal situations where people have really stood up on the goal line

in this game so far. So, you know, Andy, Chris Finini was at my house today and he made a point, and I wanted to, you know, steal it from him and bring it to you. By all me. Let's steal stuff from the athletic. Does it feel like there's, yeah, that's the least they could do after what, 15 years of combined experience there? Yeah. Doesn't it feel like there aren't very many blowouts this year? Like, I feel like every game feels like they're close. And, you know, it felt that way.

I didn't really occur to me until he said it out loud, but it's like every game has felt pretty competitive. Now, I'm not saying that there haven't been blowouts and don't well, actually, you know, I know Oregon beat Rutgers by a million today. but like in that's not what we're talking about that we're looking forward to on a day to day basis you know discussing the games that we're picking they all seem semi competitive to really competitive so and I don't know if that's a byproduct of the bigger discussion point that we've been having in college football this year which is that there's no you know four teams versus the rest of the world I think that you know at the moment Ohio State seems to me to be the only one that's clear head and the shoulders better than everyone and obviously from a week to week basis that

changes like Ohio state's a loss or a weird result away potentially from you know joining the rest of the pack but like that's parity and I think parity is playing out in the way that these games are playing out too well I think that kind of is why I watched the tech the uh excuse me the Alabama Tennessee game with interest tonight because that one felt over with the Alabama pick six at the end of the first half and then Alabama kind of poured it on in the second half so like this is this might be the most decisive result. I can think of between two pretty good teams this season. And Alabama is a very good team.

Yeah. Alabama has, in my opinion, definitively proven itself to be a top five team in the country, period. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, I know that there's no way that you can forever erase what happened in week one. That's going to be over their heads for the rest of the year. But they've beaten four ranked teams. Now, I don't know if we're falling back into that same. The SEC insists upon itself scenario where, you know, our perceptions of these teams that

they're very good and none of them are actually that good and they just keep getting quality wins against each other or if it's just a deeper, super talented league that's filled with, you know, eight top 25 teams. I guess we'll find out as we, you know, traverse the season a little bit more. But, you know, Alabama is beating these teams convincingly. And obviously, you don't go on the road and throw a 99-yard pick six right before halftime. It turned a, what was a pretty competitive game into a laughing stock blowout. You know, they were cooked the second

that that play happened. But the four teams that Alabama has beaten all in a row, I don't know if there's very many other teams that would go four and oh during that stretch regardless of what you think of their competition. So speaking of those teams, Missouri is one of them. Missouri scored a touchdown. Did not get the two-point conversion

because remember in overtime number two, you have to go for two. So Auburn has the ball, and they're down 23-7. if they score a touchdown, they will have to go for two. And then after this turns into the grab-ass, like two-point composure. Then it turns into penalty kicks, basically, yeah. So if you had Mizzou plus three and a half, just making up that number for no reason, it's over, right? You can't lose? No, you could definitely lose.

Oh, yeah. No, you can't lose. No, because Auburn can win by two or can win by two. That's pretty much it. Electric. Congratulations. Yeah, I needed that one. So I wanted to, I know we're going to do this like game by game thing.

But speaking of the indie of the Alabama thing, and it's an interesting segue to a thought that I mentioned to you while we were doing our instant reaction video of the Vanderbilt LSU game earlier, which is. If we're unsure, like if Tennessee is actually the number 11 team in the country or if the SEC is filled with a bunch of teams that can beat each other, we're not sure if Ohio states win is any good and if they're actually better, they have played nobody, does it feel like for the first time in our professional careers that a team could literally come out of nowhere and just mess around and win the whole thing that we're not even considering as a real, like, is the door open for more teams in the, tier. Define a team that we're not even considering. Like, are we talking about Banderbilt? Yeah. I'm talking about like Vanderbilt. Now, obviously, Texas Tech was part of that discussion earlier and then they ended up losing to Arizona State. So obviously that's changed. But let me just pull up the like, uh, AP top 25 here and start looking at like, could Georgia Tech mess around and win the national title this year? Like, are you still there's a thick line of demarcation between the haves and the have not?

I, I don't think so. Missouri wins, by the way. It ends with Jackson Arnold from his butt throwing to an offensive lineman, which is illegal touching, and I don't know exactly what's going to happen here. Now everybody's stopped, but I'm pretty sure Missouri won. They're just zooming in on Hugh Freeze, who's just a man who's at the end of his pathetic rope. But yes, you know, it, yeah, legal touching game over Missou wins. So maybe I went too far down with Georgia Tech. I'm trying to think. Like, is there anybody outside?

Georgia Tech beating Duke on Saturday. was a massive win and puts them in a great position to make the ACC title game now that Miami has an ACC loss. That happened on Friday. If you want to have a little more in-depth discussion about Miami, we did a video about Miami and Louisville on Saturday morning. We also put that in the podcast feed. So a lot more in-depth discussion of that if you want it. But are there any teams, each with a conference loss, Georgia Tech, no conference

losses. Georgia Tech is in the catbird seat in the ACC after beating Duke. Yeah, Georgia Tech, I think, is going to the playoff. I don't know if that's premature, but I'm looking, let's like look at their schedule here. They play. It's pretty kind. Syracuse, NC State, Boston College, Pitt, and then Georgia outside of the ACC. Yep. Pitt's your scariest one left, because Pitt's been good since they switch quarterbacks.

You know, and the ACC is going to be quite the adventure this year, as all the teams that are currently competing to win the title, like, barely play each other. So you're going to have to hope for some grab-ass upsets to kind of clear the path or we're going to be in tiebreaker land. But are there any teams, Andy River, put that AP pull graphic backup outside of the top 10 that you think you can win the national title this year. Notre Dame. Notre Dame.

I think Notre Dame could. Because Notre Dame, if they go 10 and 2, is going to make the playoff. And I do think Notre Dame against these other teams that we're looking at can be very competitive. Yeah. If Ohio State is above average and isn't the juggernaut that we think they might be,

you got Miami, Indiana, A&M, O Miss, Bama, Texas Tech, Oregon, Georgia, like, they don't feel like teams that are, unbeatable. No. No, Ohio State won't have a unbeatable so far. They're the only one that, but it may just be that we haven't seen them against the right opponent yet.

Or they may just be awesome. They don't play another ranked team for the rest of the rest of them. What about Penn State? What about Penn State with a, you know, with an interim coach? Who knows? Yeah. I mean, they lost to Iowa tonight, so. They did.

I don't know. I don't know it in cover, though. they didn't uh and the and the oh and the overhit by the way do you know for all you big 10 lovers out there fun fact that ohio state nor indiana play a single ranked opponent for the rest of the year for all you i'm just like tossing out the red meat to the SEC of superior people because uh like penn state stinking really through a wrench into yeah it's it's killer stuff yeah so at least indiana went to organ and won yeah but it looks like right now i think a fair bet would be that ohio state and indiana will likely be in the big 10 championship

game um and the loser will still get into the playoff while organ also will probably get into the playoff because i don't believe that they play a ranked team either for the rest of the year unless us USC is ranked but USC lost so Oregon plays uh Wisconsin Iowa Minnesota USC and Washington so I guess conceivably USC or Washington could be ranked at the end of the year but yeah the three best teams Oregon has a tougher schedule down the stretch than than the other two yeah but there's no like big time big 10 showdown that's going to occur that's going to be like the talk of no not really and we're like it's October 18th and like I don't know if it's Penn State's fault or the Big Ten scheduling fault.

But there's really nothing happening here and the rest of the regular season for Big Ten title contenders. So I don't know if that makes my point or breaks it, Annie. It's Ohio State versus UCLA. That's right. UCLA beat Maryland, walked them off. They didn't walk them off. They had to end up kicking the kickoff.

But UCLA beats Maryland. They're now three in one under Tim Skipper. They won three in a row. The schedule gets pretty disgusting from here for UCLA, but I think if Tim Skipper wins one more, he deserves a job somewhere in the FBS next year, a head coaching job somewhere, if not at UCLA. I think UCLA should seriously consider him.

But you got Indiana, Nebraska, Ohio State, Washington, USC, they might win more than one of those. Yeah, well, I don't know if you guys, do we know the severity of Nico I. moly of his injury because he got started off the field so uh or helped off the field it looked like a pretty severe injury from the broadcast so i don't know um you know where things stand with that but like yeah maryland's a pretty good team i'm not going to act like they're Maryland had had three really tough losses in a row like they yeah hopefully hopefully the

breaks will go their way at least once everyone you know here in the next few weeks because this they've unfortunately just been but that's not a It's not an easy game. It's not an easy, like, no doubt about a game. UCLA beating or if you were, I mean, UCLA beating Maryland, if you would have said that a month ago, it'd been like, wow. Now it's kind of expected. I think they were three-point favorites and ended up tying the spread there. But it is a nice little run. And anybody who watched our show this week and saw Tim Skipper can kind of understand how people can rally around that guy. So cool to see. Also going on right now, we've not mentioned this game yet, but this is the late, late game. This is the ACC after dark. Florida State is in Palo, and Stanford is beating Florida State 13 to 3 late in the second quarter. Oh, Craig. Man, that's going to be a, oh, Craig. In my fifth time in rehab, my friend Craig, oh, we're going to talk about jobs. The jobs discussion is going to be hot and heavy, especially when we talk about the game I went to today.

But I'm just saying, if Florida State loses to Stanford, The all buyouts are on the table conversation. All buyouts are on the table. Yeah, Stanford was an 18 point dog in this game. Yeah. All buyouts are on the table. So, like, let's have this discussion for a second. Okay.

Florida State is three and three. They beat Alabama somehow. But if you lose to Stanford or you continue to lose the games that you lost last year, for a second year in a row. It's an untenable situation at that. This is worse. They beat Stanford last year. That was the one ACC team they beat.

And like the danger of having this discussion in the middle of the second quarter or almost half time is that they end up winning by three times. Certainly Florida steak and end up winning by a lot. I don't know how it's going to play out. But for the sake of discussion point, like Mike Norville is a pretty hot button issue at the moment. And like I just don't know again. very expensive buyout, very expensive person to move on from. But if they were to lose to Stanford, I think that that would be enough for me to give up, period.

Like, you know, and most people are already there, Andy, most people are already there. But, you know, you want to talk about like rash decisions after the Penn State consecutive losses to doormat teams. Like, this is a whole other level of that too. So Jeremy in the chat, they beat Cal not Stanford. I apologize. Wrong, wrong side of the game. Yeah.

But, well, we'll monitor that. Do you want to take two minutes and talk about James Franklin's appearance on a college game day? Let's do that. Did you watch it?

Or were you, like, busy doing stuff? What were your thoughts of that? I was busy, but everybody, everybody saw it. He sounds like he's ready to coach. Like he would like to get a job,

and he would like to go pro, show everybody that they were wrong. And I am all for that. That's exactly what I think he should do. Yeah, I'm sure the interview was designed to make him feel like a sympathetic figure and also to tell the entire world that he is ready for another job and is motivated to get one. And I felt, you know, I kind of took, I went away from that kind of feeling bad for the situation that he's in, especially, you know, considering the fact that he and Drew Aller are both not playing and around the team as they lost to Iowa on Saturday.

They were they both supposed to be in Iowa. It really, really hit home, though, for me when Nick Saban basically said he didn't think it was fair. Oh, yeah. He said this is totally unfair. Yeah. And it got me thinking that whoever takes the Penn State job, and we don't know who it's going to be. Matt Rule does not look as exciting as he did 48 hours ago. Not saying that you make a break.

We did not do a special show on Nebraska getting housed by Minnesota, but they got crushed. Crushed. Yeah. Couldn't do anything. And again, I know that one game isn't going to make or break an entire coach's candidacy, but in terms of, you know, job searching for the right, you know, coach that a lot of times momentum and where are you right now plays a factor into it. That's not going to be a sexy hire in the moment for Penn State after what happened.

there. But whoever takes the Penn State job, Andy, and I'm sure you already knew this and people knew this, but like the job is to be better than Franklin. The job is to pick up where he left off. And I just wanted to take a minute to at least express one piece of appreciation for Franklin. And that's when he signed his 10-year extension in November of 2021. He had one big, One Big Ten championship, and I believe seven years, had never made it to the college football playoff and never won anything of substance in the postseason. I think they won a Rose Bowl. But other than that, like nothing crazy.

Right. So from my standpoint, when they offered him that extension, that means that he had met the standard of what Penn State views for their head coach to be, which is a perennial 10-win team that might break out and win the Big Ten once every five to seven years, a team that would be competitive nationally, but not necessarily an annual national championship contender. When he was fired, you know, four or five years into that extension, the standard was changed. And I wanted to say that he's the one who changed it. So whoever takes the Penn State job, and I don't know if that'll be Matt Rule,

I don't know if it'll be somebody else, I'm sure, you know, it'll be a high profile thing when it happens. their job isn't to go 10 and 2 and win the Big 10 once every 5 to 7 years their job is to be better immediately and I just wanted to say that I think it's going to be an incredibly difficult job. Do you know who James Franklin is? There's an easy comp.

Do you know who it is? Is the person that you're comparing them to still coaching? Nope. Then I have no idea. Just tell me. Mark Richt. The comparison is Mark Ricked. James Franklin is Mark Ricked.

That makes sense. Firing Mark Ricked was a massive gamble for Georgia. It paid off because they hired Kirby Smart. Penn State has to hire the equivalent of Kirby Smart for this to work. Yeah. That should be easy. Yeah. No problem.

And that's the question. Is there a Kirby Smart out there? Is there a Kirby Smart at Alabama as the D.C. of Alabama out there, whether that's somebody who's a head coach now or whether that's somebody who's a coordinator now, is that person out there. There's not an obvious one because Kirby was the obvious one. And remember Kirby had looked at jobs before. Kirby had kicked around the idea of taking the Auburn job, but he couldn't take it.

This is when Gus got it. Kirby couldn't take it because he wanted to stay with Alabama through the playoff and they wouldn't let him if he took the Auburn job. So he was going to take the South Carolina job. and that's why Georgia started to move really fast and ended up firing Mark Ricked. But there is not that. Like that person does not exist right now. And maybe that person does exist.

We just don't know who it is. There probably is a next Kirby Smart out there, whether that's a coordinator somewhere or a head coach in the group of five or a head coach somewhere in the other power conferences. There probably is another Kirby Smart out there, but we just don't know. I have a bad memory and I was in Big Ten land.

So when that hire happened or when they were searching for somebody, I don't recall, like, when Kirby Smart was a candidate for that job and hired, how was it initially received and how was he viewed from the general public as a candidate at the time? As the as the conquering hero and the savior of the program. Okay. So people. They fired Mark Ricks because they were worried Kirby was going to take the South Carolina job and they were going to miss their window. So that isn't a speculative. I mean, everything is speculative when you don't know what the result's going to be. But that wasn't like, we're going to give this guy a shot

and hope for the best type of deal. Right. Like when Dan Lanning took the Oregon job, he wasn't viewed that way, was he? He was viewed as kind of a speculative. Right. He was viewed as a coordinator that everybody thought had a really bright future,

but nobody knew that he'd be as good as he has been. Like that's the example. Like Penn State has to find that person. And I'm not saying like Glenn Schumann, you're probably that's, you're going, oh, Glenn Schumann's the D.C. at Georgia. Well, that's what I was going to say. I'm not necessarily saying him.

But if Glenn Schumann got hired, would that be very similar, at least the day he was hired to how it felt when Oregon hired Lannie? Would it be the same thing? It would, but Lanning never had a day like Glenn Schumann had today, which is a good segue to talk about that game. Let's talk about Ole Miss Georgia.

Because I didn't know either team had a punter until sometime in the second half. Yeah, if you would have told me that Ole Miss was going to score five touchdowns in their first five offensive possessions. And you were going to tell me that Lane Kiffin was going to post

a thirst-strapped, sweaty, shirtless picture from a yoga studio with his six-pack out this morning. And those two things were true. Like, I never would have thought that Ole Miss would have won or lost that game. Like, between those two things, thirst-trap picture, five touchdowns and five possessions. How do you lose?

I don't know. It was, well, you lose the game by Georgia started getting stops and Ole Miss didn't. And that was the key. Georgia got some stops early in the fourth quarter and Ole Miss couldn't stop Georgia. And it was interesting, I will say, as I walked out of the Florida game, a Florida player asked me, did Georgia win? Did Ole Miss lose?

I'm not going to say what player it was. But let's just put it this way. Everybody in Gainesville is very interested in what happened to Ole Miss today. Yeah. And they're rooting against Ole Miss, ironically enough. Right. But not too much. Like, they just need to lose a few, not all of them.

But yes, enough to make the coach feel like he might not be at the right place to win a national title. But don't lose too much where the luster of his glistening abs goes away. Correct. But, yeah, Georgia was awesome offensively. Gunner Stockton played great. Like, I got to the point where I was. looking at Gunner Stockton, every time he's awaiting a snap and going, oh, he's got this. He's going to take him down the field.

There's no question he's going to take them down the field. Yeah, I thought that that was actually the most important thing about the game today. For the first time, and I don't know because Ole Miss has had some defensive issues this year, but for the first time watching Georgia this year, it felt like to me that Georgia was imposing its will offensively on the opposing defense. It felt like they were going to score every time they had the ball. And if you would have told me that Ole Miss was going to be able to score 35 points and, you know, 20, 35 on their first five possessions, I would have told you that Georgia was cooked. And this was just another way to win a different type of game that I wasn't sure that Georgia could exist in.

So I think this was the most impressive. They won two of those this year. So they beat Tennessee that way. So, yeah, they did be Tennessee that way. That's a good point. Georgia has the three point loss to Alabama where one of their receivers dropped a wide open touchdown pass. and so they could have won that game. George's, I think, in a pretty good position right now.

Because I don't think most offenses are going to be as potent as Ole Miss. Like, I'm looking at the rest of their schedule. There is no offense that they need to worry about like Ole Miss's offense. Like the Texas offense we saw against Oklahoma was pretty good. The Texas offense we saw Saturday against Kentucky was not good at all. They did survive the game, but not good. Mississippi States, in moments is good. I saw Mississippi State in person, I can tell you, like, they can beat you deep sometimes if you are playing a bunch of guys who've never played before like Florida was, but I don't know that they're going to score a ton on Georgia.

So Georgia Tech actually is the one I'm the most worried about Georgia actually stopping, and mostly because we saw Haynes King torture them last year in an eight-overtime game. So I think Georgia is in great shape. I think Georgia is in great shape to get to Atlanta. We might see a Georgia, Alabama, rematch in Atlanta, depending on how that's go. Yeah, I wonder if it's just shaping up to, you know, like that Candyland game, where you kind of go all over the board and then it just winds up, like, where you knew it would end up. There are no negative consequences in Candyland. It's really made for babies.

I lost in Candyland. Of course you did. Yeah. I mean, somebody has to lose. Somebody has to get to the end first. there are some unclear rules in candy land that I want you to go over with when we're done with this okay okay I don't know I'm playing candy land in a while but yeah it's just there's some ambiguous cards that you could pool but let's put it this way

I want somebody said this in the in the chat and I wanted to echo it like Gunner Stockton is rising up the like Diego Pavia dog list to me too because like the the throw that he made at the end of the Tennessee game. Can we stop this, though? Ty Simpson's the biggest dog. Ty Simpson's the dog. I'm going to stop you right there. Ty Simpson's the biggest dog, but that's okay.

We need to have an actual segment about this because Ty Simpson, I think, is getting his appropriate flowers. Like, I don't think there are two quarterbacks on national title contending teams that aren't getting them. That's Julian saying. at Ohio State, who, by the way, not sure how much you're watching their game today as you're going, binning out of Florida.

He made doing great throws, yeah. This guy is insanely accurate, and I don't think that we have, we collectively as a college football community, have come around on how well he's playing. Now, again, Ohio State's always going to be with the chicken and the egg thing, right? Like, they're playing a bunch of overmatched opponents.

It's kind of hard to, you know, decipher exactly how good the quarterback is, especially when Carnell Tate's out there looking like Calvin Johnson. I don't know how much you want to assign to Julian Sam, but I want to tell you that I watched the entire game today because it was on my iPad as I had the four boxer up. It was a, it was a display of quite a mushing. It was a laser show from the quarterback.

So, but Ty Simpson has already been given his flowers. I think that that Julian San and Gunner Stockton need to be elevated a little bit more in that conversation of first year starters, who are really playing well. Yeah, and I think we're going to get to see them all play one another at some point. Yeah, in January. Which is going to be fun.

It's going to be a lot of fun. Do we want to go out to the Big 12? Because I was very wrong. And I'm going to hold my hand up, and I'm going to say, I was very wrong. I thought Texas Tech had distanced itself from the rest of the league. I thought it didn't matter whether Will Hammond or Baron Morton started. It's very much mattered.

You can say we. Yeah. Okay, we. Yeah. That's what's happening in college football this year, too. Like, I'm having a horrific year picking games. Horrific. And I feel like every week something is happening that is like very surprising in the sense of like there's a narrative in place.

We think something is going a certain way. and then a result happens. And the two happen this weekend, right? Miami, like, here are two things that we said this week. Miami is certainly in the Ohio State, Indiana pack of better than everybody else. And they get dropped by Louisville at home on Friday night. And Texas Tech is going to run through the Big 12 and render that coin, three and a half point coin as useless because they're just better than everybody.

have more talent and then they go on the road to Arizona State and they had a great comeback. They were down 19 to six. I thought I thought they were winning. I thought they were going to win the game. But, you know, kudos to Arizona State for taking that punch and then responding. And also Jordan Tyson for doing the, the bake hamstring injury touchdown celebration after actually injuring his hamstring a few plays earlier. Arizona State and Kenny Dillingham are very impressive. Now, I don't know if Arizona State's going to, you know, do what it did last year again. Like, that's a really hard thing to accomplish two years in a row.

But they certainly are a pretty gritty team. Like, they had that game lost. They had it won for three and a half quarters and then they had it lost and then they won it. And a lot of teams fail to win it in that scenario. so no question respect the sun devils and by the way if you're going to wear a hat that doesn't have sparky on it that throwback ASU logo with the sun is a pretty distant it looked great so um did did you have to recategorize your big 12 thought process then yes absolutely because if texas tech can go to tempi and look mortal and and really struggle to score for most of the day then when Texas Tech plays BYU in a couple weeks, this is more than a couple weeks,

it's November 8th, it's in Lubbock. I think it could be a problem. I think it'd be very difficult. By the way, UCF destroyed West Virginia today. And that's another team Texas Tech has to play. So I don't really want to just say, oh, it was an anomaly. They're going to continue to blow everybody out.

They might not. Like it might have been that the Utah game just got away from Utah, and that was that. Because that's the one I'm really hanging my hat on in terms of Texas Tech being that good. I know that you got a bad shot of me getting up, and I'm sorry

about that. We saw your buck crack. Was my crack out? Possibly. A little, little tiny bit. Tiny bit. I wanted to shout out one of our listeners, Jacob. I want to say his last name, but the coin came in the mail. I gave him

a mailing address. Jacob, right? That's, I don't, yeah, Jacob. There's the three and a half with the money sign on the back. Look at that. Yes. And then on the front, you have the Big 12 logo with all the teams on there. Oh, that is beautiful.

And you know what? Maybe this is the reason Texas Tech lost because I received this in the mail on Friday. And Utah and VYU played a game that lived up to the coin. So this coin, a little back. backdoor action, but, you know, came true. So, thanks again to Jacob. Appreciate you. Appreciate all the listeners, man.

It really is cool when you get engaged in the show enough to do something as cool as that. And, you know, you've got a forever little place in my heart. Thanks a lot, Jacob, for that. It was great. I will point out another Big 12 result. Cincinnati beat Oklahoma State 4917. Obviously, beating Oklahoma State doesn't mean that much. But Cincinnati is six and one, that one losses to Nebraska on opening

in Kansas City. And they're 4 and 0 in the Big 12. Yep. Yep. The conference standings have never met more. And that's all that matters right now. And you have a lot of, is every single race outside of the Big Ten just going to end up in some like crazy like hodgepodge of tiebreakers?

I think it's entirely possible. And I also think the Big Ten might end up in some crazy hodgepodge of tiebreaker. Excuse me, the Big 12. But yeah, the Big Ten might get some weird tiebreaker action too. Indiana drops one or you know or Ohio well more if Ohio State drops one because Indiana has the head to head against Oregon so yeah I don't know how that works because if it's a three way tie between Ohio State Oregon and Indiana and Ohio State

loses to Michigan let's just point that game out as a game that they could maybe lose I don't know why would you choose that one at random Ari because yeah it's the only overmatched opponent that's illustrated the ability to beat them consistently I don't know how the tiebreaker is is the between Ohio State and Oregon at that point. You'll have to look that up in the handbook, but maybe it's like overall record or whatever. But, yeah, it's a, I feel like I have a worse command on what's going on in the sport on October 18th than I ever have. And that's great.

I think that's fantastic because it is very unpredictable. there's a lot of action left and we're really just now getting into conference play where every team in the conference is playing another conference game every weekend. And I think that's a big one because it's like Steve Sarkesian said after Texas beat Kentucky in overtime in Lexington, he said half the teams in the SEC lost today and we're in the half that won. So we're going to celebrate that on this. I'm going to say it Go ahead

Texas stinks I'm not going to say that because we saw Texas play really well against Oklahoma An Oklahoma team that thrashed South Carolina today by the way We saw Texas play really well against them in person last week So I'm not going to say that they stink I'm going to say that their performances are highly variable Which is a problem which tells me

They're not going to make the playoff because they will have a highly variable performance against the wrong team, and they're going to lose. They have to go to Athens still, by the way. Sailor Joe in the chat. Let's get it over with Arch tonight. 12 for 27, 132 passing yards, zero TD, zero picks, 44% completions. 11 carries for minus one yards. Don't even get me started on the O line and the play calling.

Yeah, it was ugly. Ugly. And you're lucky that you won. Lucky, lucky, lucky. I don't know. I have been kind of reserving myself to, like, like Texas can figure it out and go win the national title. I am out.

Oh, no, no. I'm out. And like, I think I might have been out last week, too. I was pretty harsh in the Oklahoma post game where I was like, you know, they won this game pretty convincingly. They're going to lose again if this is who they are. And it almost happened a week later. I know Mark Stoop was probably super motivated to get a good, good showing out there today.

But like, that was a absolute dumpster fire. That was like. It was bad. Kentucky should have won the game. Like Kentucky had the ball on the goal line in overtime. There's no excuse for them to lose this game. Yeah, and you have to give the defensive, they were very good at stopping short yard of situations.

If you're in overtime on defense on the first possession and your opponent is, you know, fourth and inches from the goal line, and you stuff them. Like, there's credit to be given there. Like, it's not just all bad, but like I have this really fun trivia question that I was going to ask you. And I don't know if I can still ask it because Texas won, but, like, who's been more disappointing this year?

Penn State or Texas? You texted me that. You texted me that earlier tonight. If they would have lost, I guess it would have been a- The answer's Penn State. But if Texas will have lost. Still Penn State. Texas beat Oklahoma.

Texas lost to Ohio State. There's no equivalent to the Northwestern or UCLA losses. Yeah. I guess there would have been with Kentucky, the equivalent of one of those, but not two of those. But, like, 85% of the country, like, did not believe in Penn State. like everybody thought that Texas was going to go and it doesn't make them good yeah they're not

this is this scenario that we're watching play out with Texas in front of our eyes is remember what I was in veil and I said there's no possible way that he won't at least be productive and go to the Heisman and all these things like this scenario here could I forget

but like this scenario here like them just being bad I would have said as impossible again they're not bad they are highly variable they're highly and bad is in the range bad is in the range decent is in the range well if their season's been a roulette wheel

and red is good and black is bad it's been landing on black a lot okay i don't know like the variable is but the variable has been if there's a meter here it's yeah it's not so you know I know that they still have to play Georgia I believe we're going to that game right We are going to that game. That is correct.

So Texas is going to play Georgia. Texas has played Vandy and Texas, of course, has to play Texas A&M at the end of the season. Yeah, like I'm out. Like Mark Cuban, I just invented this cool waffle iron that has cool patterns on it. Yeah, I want $20 million for 5% of my company and for that reason I'm out. Like I don't know what is happening here. I have no explanation for this. Yeah, listen, they're not that good on the offensive line.

line that the issues like stinks their offensive skill players don't do anything ever yeah their defense is pretty good but we knew that yeah how is like nobody on their offense able to make a play for four quarters it's not all arch i don't know i don't think it's on arch i mean arch arch arch kind of bailed the o line out in the first half of the oklahoma game and then made some good throws but he he did not look good against kentucky so i i really don't know and of course they didn't look good against Florida. It's probably a good time to, I don't know. Sailor Joe again. What's that saying? J.D. said earlier this year, though, you love all your wins, even if they're ugly, just like stepchildren. I guess. I don't know. I was at a game where the home team won and the fans

didn't love the win. Can we talk about the game I went to? Before we talk about the game I went to, I'm going to give the Florida fans a Madello. Grab yourself, Modelo, stay game day ready all season long. Florida is a Madeleau school. I actually saw the multiple Madello ads during the game. And I'm telling you right now, Florida fans, crack your medellos. I actually think Billy Napier's cracking a medall tonight, Ari. I think he's cracking a medall to celebrate the Mississippi State win

and maybe not think for a few minutes. about what might be happening on Sunday. It is now Sunday in Gainesville. It is 12.17 a.m. in Gainesville. So what happens later today? Billy Napier is acting like a person who's at his retirement party right now. I agree. You can go back to Monday, his press conference.

It sounded very much like, hey, the pressure's off. It's cool. And then he was like that Wednesday. Thursday, he does his radio show, goes and shakes hands with all the regulars after the show. That's something he's ever done before. Saturday, they win the Mississippi State game. We'll get into what happened during the game.

But let's be real here. They should not have won the game, but they did. Jeff Levy, the other person in that picture with Billy Napier, one of the, I don't know if Jeff Levy made the call or it was a RPO that Blake Sheapen decided to throw. One of the dumbest decisions to throw by somebody ever. threw it to a 342-pound defensive tackle, and all they had to do was kick field to win the game.

But Billy Napier put on a clinic in how not to manage a game, very similar to what he's done in a lot of their losses, but they ended up winning this game. But after the game, Billy Napier, with his family, taking pictures on the field, not something they've done before, by the way. And there definitely was a little bit of a feeling of finality to it. Billy Napier actually choked up a little bit in a press conference.

asked, you know, what happens next? And he said, you know, I can't worry about what happens tomorrow. I'm going to enjoy this one tonight. And he said, you know, the negative stuff doesn't bother him. They were chanting fire Billy with 38 seconds to go in a game Florida was winning, if that tells you anything. And so he gets a little choked up. He says, you know, I love football. I love the game of football. And it felt to me like this was the last game. he was going to coach it for it. It is kind of appropriate that they tried to go for two and put 12 men on the field, got flag.

It was the most Billy Napier thing ever. There was that, which by the way, the math didn't change in that situation just because you got backed up five yards. You still go for it. You still have to go for two. The Hick's nothing for you. There's nothing for you. Being up by one or being up by two.

you go for it from the 50. They had another situation earlier in the game. They had a third and seven. It's the second quarter. He calls a quarterback draw. And DJ Lagway just runs into like five defenders. The crowd immediately begins booing. They send Trey smack out for a 34-yard field goal.

Delay of game. Now it's a 39-yard field goal. He makes it. There's a personal foul. It's now a 54-yard field goal. Fortunately for Dillian Apier, Trace Max good, and he hit the field goal. He made a 54 and a 53. River Bailey, our producer, asked, what's the favorite Billy Napier moment?

It is when they put, they were trying to figure out what to do against Arkansas, and they couldn't decide if they wanted to kick a field goal or run a play, and they had approximately 17 men on the field when they snapped the ball. They ended up losing that game in overtime. Man, it, uh, yeah. it kind of feels like just like he knew I'm sure you would know this more than me obviously but it feels like he knows what's coming around the corner here so it does and and everybody's like oh you know he's already been fired or why don't you just tell us no we've not gotten any confirmation everybody's working on it all of our newsbreakers are working on it all of the espion's newsbreakers are working on it all of the athletics newsbreakers are working on it no one has definitively said anything yet I suspect it's kind of coming. Do you think there's any chance he's the head coach for their next game?

I don't. Yeah. I would be very, very, very surprised if he is. Yeah. Well, it's a shame. I've always liked him. And there's something about him that makes you like him. But that's not enough.

There are standards that need to be met and they have not been met and he's been given ample opportunity in time to meet those standards. 22 and 23 is the record. And, you know, you could let him coach out the rest of the season. It's not going to climb above 500 probably. So it just, it is what it is. And this is, it sucks because the guy is a good dude and everybody likes him. But you get paid a lot of money to do the job and you got to do it.

And he said that. Like, he said that on Monday. So I think he's at peace with this, and we'll see what happens next. But elsewhere in the SEC, we talked about Brent Venables potentially needing to win against South Carolina or things could get weird. Oklahoma beat the crap out of South Carolina in Columbia. Like, that's a great road win. Oklahoma went on the road and trash somebody. You know, it felt like a must win to me because when you look at what's coming down the pike for Oklahoma,

as we've reviewed and mentioned on the show 9,000 times. Like, you wanted to get the 6 and 1 because you can't be 5 and 2 heading into that. Now, it gives you an opportunity. I still believe that if they go 3 and 2 in their next 5 games, there'll be a college football playoff team. Ole Miss, Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri, and LSU all in a row. LSU, we know how that's going. That's so good.

Missou won an overtime, Alabama, Tennessee. Those are all hard games to win. They'll have plenty of juice in the quality win column if they would finish with nine wins. Their defense is awesome, dude. Their defense is awesome. Hell South Carolina, 1.6 yards per carry on the ground. Lenora Sellers averaged 5.2 yards per attempt through the air. They had two interceptions.

This is what you want out of that defense. And when they play like this, there are not many teams that can beat them. They played awful against Texas last week. Awful. That was their worst. This, I don't know if this was their best, but it was probably pretty close to it. It makes me, you know, I know I like to go back and try to rewrite history, but like it makes me feel like annoyed for Oklahoma fans about what happened in Dallas last weekend.

Because they are good enough to beat the Texas team that I'm starting to become clear who they are. Like, they should have been more competitive in that game. Well, they should have, Oklahoma should have shown up at that game. I mean, that's, that's the problem. Can I throw you a curveball here? Yeah, go ahead. Probably weren't anticipating going down this road, but had this thought today. Is Shane Beamer, like, just having the worst year ever right now?

And, like, what does this mean for a particular job that's open that he has family lineage to? Well, I think that's interesting because I would have said, even a couple of weeks ago, you don't leave if you're Shane Beamer. South Carolina stupidly extended you when they were bidding against no one and if you get fired you get a lot of money

so I just ride that thing out however if the job my dad held where he's a legend and I at the place where I went to school opened up and they wanted me and I could reset the clock because the

the shine is coming off at the place I'm at now, then, yeah, I might consider it now. It might be worth it. Even though getting fired would probably pay him more money, maybe going home still works. Yeah. I don't know what his personal goals are. Some kids want to go step in the family.

He's always been one that does not want people to think that he got where he was because of his dad. Like he intentionally didn't go to work for his dad right away. Like he was a GA under Philip Fulmer at Tennessee. He worked a long time for Steve Spurrier. He tried to work and he worked for Kirby Smart for Lincoln Riley. He did work for his dad for a while. But he tried to have a diverse set of experiences

so people didn't think this was just nepotism. And I think he's, I think he has done that. I think he has proven that. I don't think that anybody, I mean, I guess people just say things, but I don't think that anybody would view that higher as that. I think you're right about that. I think he separated himself enough from it. Now, I don't know, and you might know this off the top of your head is how many more

years does he have left on that extension that South Carolina signed him, and what's the point of, oh, it's like six or seven. Like, they just did it. And that, to me, makes the resetting your clock thing a moot point, because your clock's already pretty set right now. Yeah, I would say it South Carolina and make them fire me if things don't work out. And then if things do work out, they'll stupidly extend me again. Yeah, I just, it kind of like reminds me of the James Franklin thing a little bit. It's like they had such a good year last year and they have a few really good pieces that like maybe the expectations

around South Carolina and what they were able to accomplish this year just got out of whack as a result of his overachieving. I think that, but that always happens at South Carolina. They did that with MustChamp, too. I know, but last year. The difference is Spurrier didn't make them pay him out. Spurrier just retired. Yeah.

Last year was so good, though, that this feels like a disaster because the expectations got warped. I don't know. Sure. But it feels like a disaster because they're one of the worst teams in the SEC, right? right now. Yeah. And also, you know,

Lenora Sellers just isn't doing what we thought he was going to do. Hiring Mike Shula as the offense coordinator may have something to do with that. That is a Shane Beamer decision that probably he deserves criticism for. Right. So. One in four in the SEC. Now, of course, their schedule has been difficult. Started with Vandy,

played in Missouri, got their lone win in the, the SEC against Kentucky, then back-to-back losses with LSU, Oklahoma. They've got Alabama, Ole Miss, and A&M as their next three. Yikes. Wyatt asked, how many coaches will get fired tomorrow? I think Billy Napier will. I don't know about Hugh Freeze. He took Missouri to overtime.

But they're in a bad spot. They're 0-4 in the SEC. I would watch that one. I don't know about Luke Fickle either, because they do play Oregon in Eugene next week, and then they have an open date after that. So that would probably make more sense. Yeah.

Yeah, Napier, like, we could just fire up the video right now, I mean, and just have it stored. I don't know. Like that one seems like an inevitability, whether it's tomorrow or whatever, but it would be tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Also, Andy, Jackson White points out here in the chat

that I need to start training for my run because I said I would run three miles if they go O and five, and they're definitely going to go O and five. They're O'N two out of their next five games. I don't know if they're going to go in five. Okay, Andy, who are they going to beat? Are they going to beat Alabama, Ole Miss, or A&M? I don't know.

I'm sorry, I don't know. Well, okay. We talk about A&M a little bit. Sure. Well, it's more in Bobby Petrino conversation than in Texas A&M conversation. Bobby Petrino is going to get Arkansas close in all these really hard games, and they're going to lose, and he's not going to get the job. Yeah.

This was a bit of a backdoor situation. Texas was up 10, and then Arkansas scored at the end. But Arkansas had a chance. I think A&M was up 10 and scored a touchdown. I would have put them up 17. They got called back for something. Yeah. Like it wasn't as close as the scoreboard indicates,

but they also gave up 42 points. Bobby Petrino has been the interim coach for two games against Tennessee and Texas A&M, and they've lost by three in both games. So the rest of the schedule is equally awful. and it's it's going to be hard i do wonder if he's going to win in one or two if he can win one or two of these you got to consider him for the job but if if he keeps losing by three do you consider him for the job um i think your tinfoil hat theory of putting him in this position

to set him up for failure might have some legs to it uh-huh everybody said i was stupid actually nobody said I was stupid but literally nobody said that he can beat Mississippi State we'll see if he can beat Auburn because that actually is a fair fight right there because Auburn's 0 and 4 in the SEC by the way if Hugh Freeze survives tomorrow

he probably cannot survive losing in Fayetteville right Hugh Freeze Auburn is just tough to watch they're in every game, but it always feels like they're going to lose. And I don't know, like, if that's a, that's like a coaching trait.

It's kind of a problem. It's sort of the same problem you feel about Florida. Like, if not for Mississippi State stupidly throwing the ball, like, everyone in the stadium assumed Florida was going to lose. And I think probably everyone in Jordan Hare assumed Auburn was going to lose. Yeah. Auburn just looks like it's fractured, and I can't really put my thumb on what it is. Yeah, and it's not working, so they're going to have to figure this out.

Look, they're still talented. That's the thing. They're in these games with these good teams, and they just can't seem to get over the hump. So theoretically, they should be able to go to Fayetteville and win, a team that's already fired its coach that has lost a bunch of games already. Theoretically, they should win the next one. But am I going to bet my life on that? Absolutely not.

No. And, you know, to wrap it back around, I think that we got a nice comment here from an Arkansas fan, his name, B.T. Bates here in the chat. Thanks for being here, buddy. Appreciate your comment. As an Arkansas fan, I'm not for or against Bobby. It's a me. But if he gets a good GM in the D.C., he could at least win some games.

games if we do go that way. And I think I agree with that. Yeah. And you stack him up against the other candidates. Like, if you can get Ret Lashley, sure. But you may not be able to get Rett Lashley. Yeah. Even though it's home for him. Red Lashley, who by the way won at Clemson today. SMU still undefeated in ACCC play. Yeah. Add them to the list and to the disaster of an ACC race. And I mean disaster in the most amazingly confident in the kind as possible yeah um oh can we can we talk about a before you switch candy okay yeah yeah but write that down just don't don't forget what you were

going to say i wonder if bobby petrino has a better chance of getting the job because arkansas is opening up at the worst possible time it is there's going to be so many jobs open like the penn state job the florida job maybe the auburn job and arkansas may help the Auburn job open. There are so many more to come. We'll see about Wisconsin. We'll see about Kentucky. Is Rhett Lashley a Florida candidate?

I don't know if he is. I think I would put him on the hotboard as somebody you'd call. Because he spent time in Miami, so he's recruited the state before. Yes. And he was at Auburn, too. So he can recruit that part of the country really, well. I think Redwell Ashley can be successful anywhere. I also think that SMU is a really good job.

SMU and the ACCC is a very good job, and you need to be very selective about what you would leave that for. Yeah, and I think that home and SEC would be pretty high on that selection list, no? But are you going to win in Arkansas the way you're going to win at SMU? shittiest house in the nicest neighborhood it's true and if he's good and if i don't know if people move like because i said

with arkansas if you've got eli drinkets at miss and you've got lane kiffin at old miss it makes it tougher because those are programs that you're you're gonna recruit against like you're going to have to compete with them for players well what if lane kiffin wasn't an old miss anymore what if he was in gainsville yeah i also think that that's like 2018 thinking well yeah i mean look if you hire the right guy if you hire your

curt signetti yeah is he their curt signetti is the question i think they probably view him as their curt signetti what i do know is is that uh coaches don't think that they're not curt signetti before taking a job well they all do i'm not worried about what the coach thinks so but you have to worry about what the coach thinks if he's the one that's weighing whether or not to take the job no they all think they're great they all think they're great but also Also, the more prudent move might be stay at SMU, go to the playoff every year, get paid millions of dollars to live in the nicest neighborhood in Dallas. I don't, this is the other thing. You don't have to go to the pressure cooker.

You could stay at the place where they will pay you lots of money to be successful. Coaches don't do that ever. They always choose the pressure cooker. Who? David Cutcliffe He stayed at Duke Remember he took Duke to the If you're if you're

ACC championship He stayed at Duke Because he remembered being In the pressure cooker at Ole Miss If your example is a unicorn Then you're just a bad example Okay There's been a few others

Matt Campbell Yeah Matt Campbell has turned down jobs Yeah I don't know that you'll leave Yeah you're right I'm not saying it's impossible But I think

that in a world where Vanderbilt is in the top 10 and Indiana is number two and Ole Miss is a national title contender and Missouri is off to a seven and one or a six and one start that like the thought process that Arkansas could never be good is just a misnomer. And if it's in the SEC, you're confident in what you do and you have. I don't think they can never be good. I just think you're already in a place where you can go to the playoff almost every year if you do it right. Yeah.

so that's the that's the tricky part there but yeah it's an interesting question and we'll we'll have to figure it out all right i want to talk about a big 10 game because we spent a lot of thursday show talking about sharon more his blue collar jacket all of his other outfits that everybody put him in on a i michigan came in beat the hell out of washington great defensive performance by michigan a couple of huge picks of DeMond Williams that killed Washington Drive, set Michigan up.

This was the game Sharon Moore and the Wolverines needed. I thought Bryce Underwood played fantastic. And I said, Ari, we'd seen some seeds of how good he might be. Yeah, the leaves are sprouting a little bit. Buddy, I can't wait to see Bryce Underwood by the end of the season.

Buddy, I can't wait to see Bryce Underwood next year if they have a good receiver on their team. Well, no doubt. No doubt. I mean, empty the piggy bank, call Larry Ellison's wife, and be like, we got to get some dudes that can catch the ball, and let him cook. Speaking of let him cook, do we have the tweet, Producer River, because the Michigan official football account had all the accolades from the game and the score of the game, and it said, let him cook. and it was a direct reference to Shrode more on the chef's outfit, which was the funniest one other than the bondage one.

I would have done the emoji of the ninja and said pure domination, but that's just me. Was there a ninja one? I think there was a ninja one too. No, no, it's just the ninja is the closest emoji to a man in a leather suit and a red ball in his mouth. No, they did the chef's kiss, though, which was even better. I know, I just think the domination thing is hilarious,

because that's, you know, that's where my brain goes. Michigan looked the best it's looked offensively all year, I thought. Very in rhythm. Stayed on schedule, I thought, made a lot of good throws. Bryce Underwood looked really sharp. And then Washington had no answer for the muscle on defense. Yeah. And it's strange how that defense could get shredded the way it did against USC.

And against Washington, a team that can throw the ball that has an elite receiver in Denzel, Boston, that has a, you know, an elite back in Jonah Coleman and a quarterback who can really make you work, I thought Michigan's defense just shut it down. I thought Washington would score. I thought Washington would score in this game. I did. I did not score at all in the second half. Obviously, turnovers on back-to-back possessions kind of open the game up a little bit there towards the end.

But Bryce Underwood, 21 for 27, two touchdowns, 230 yards passing. Jordan Marshall, the running back 133 yards, rushing all around great day. Obviously, in pure Michigan form, the leading receiver was a tight end. It felt like, it felt right. Yeah. You know, this idea of like Bryce Underwood peaking and Michigan playing well and everybody loving everybody towards the end of the year makes November, a certain November date seem kind of exciting. So we'll see how it goes.

So Grant says talk LSU. Yeah, we didn't yet. We didn't react to this. We talked, you know, we did talk at length about LSU and that Vandy LSU reaction show, but I think now we can put it in a larger context. We've already talked about jobs and things that we wouldn't have said at the beginning of the year. Let's have the bigger LSU conversation. They went to Vanderbilt.

They lost. Vanderbilt was the better team. Nothing fluky about Vanderbilt's win. They controlled the game. The game ended with Vanderbilt just sitting there waiting at the goal line. By the way, that's, I feel like that is the most respectfully disrespectful way to end the game. Because you are saying, we could score another touchdown on you, but we just don't need to.

And actually, from a clock standpoint, it's more prudent to just sit here and rub your face in it. Yeah, was that the play when Diego Pavia, like, rolled out and ran for the first down and slid short of the goal line? and then is that when he got up and struck the Heisman pose and did the Johnny Mansell money. That's it right there. That's it. Yeah. There was nothing not disrespectful about running one of these, you know, after the game's over.

Well, I love how Pete Nacos was at the game. Diego Pavia did the post-game interview on the field with the sideline reporter, I think was Katie George. And then apparently was not available for interviews after the game. I don't know why. I hope it was because he was already drunk. That's where I would be. And like Johnny Mansell is his personal mentor now?

Is that what's happening? Yes. I do think it's... We love this. Quarterback in Texas A&M that could use a fun mentor right now. I think Mike Elko's like, nope, you hang with Diego. You go over there. Marcel's good.

I'm putting Diego Pavia. I said number one earlier, in the top three of my Heism poll tomorrow. He's got Vanderbilt in the top. This is a top 10 team. The Houdini move on fourth and one in the third quarter. Oh, my God. Because they could, I mean, they were in a position where if they don't make that fourth down,

because right before the half, they gave LSU a free field goal. Now, they went and got a field goal, so they kind of erased the loss of three points there. But they gave LSU a free field goal at the end of the first half, which seemed a little bit. Like, I get being confident in your offense and Clark Lee wanting to, you know, wanting the team to know he's got their back and everything. But that was reckless. And like they were in a position

in the third quarter. This was a fourth down that you would go for. But Diego Pavia gets flushed. Most quarterbacks get sacked in that situation. He gets away, curls around, throws the ball first down. And I think they go to score a touchdown on that drive.

It was unbelievable. Here is a comment that I want to dig into, and then we'll talk about Brian Kelly. Okay. But first, bad band man, I can't try. It's too late for that name. Bad bandana man.

Band Bandan man. Bad bandana man. Bad bandana man. It says, Van Dyne is top 15, top 20 team, not a top 12 team. Okay, let's play a fun game. Is Ole Miss a top 12 team, Andy? Yes. Okay. Ole Misses wins.

Resumay wise are Georgia State, Kentucky, Arkansas, Tulane, LSU, Washington State, loss at Georgia. So they're, without question, a top 12th team in everyone's opinion, right? I believe everyone. There are going to be some people that they ain't played nobody, Paul, but yeah, no, they would be. Yeah, I'm just, just resume to resume here we're doing. Let's go find Vanderbilt's now. Vanderbilt's resume is a win over Charleston Southern on the road at Virginia Tech,

on the road at South Carolina, Georgia State, Utah State, similar loss to Alabama that Ole Miss had to Georgia, where it was a competitive game for three quarters and got away from it at the end, but could have won the game and then a win at LSU. They have the same identical quality win and very similar resumes all around. Ole Miss is a bona fide top 12 team, no questions asked, right?

Why is it in Vanderbilt? Is it because of that color scheme? I can tell you right now, I can tell you right now when my projected playoff comes out on Sunday morning, Vanderbilt's in it. Yeah, I think that that is the prudent thing to do. So, you know, we are doing a lot of helmet scoping here. And I think an SEC team that is six and one with a win over LSU is their most recent win.

Now, you know, LSU is still a two-loss team. You know, I think that it's going to end poorly for them. but for the time being, it's still a quality win. There's no other SEC team, maybe outside of Mississippi State that would be facing more scrutiny from the ranking standpoint than what Vanderbilt's done so far. And if you watch football, and on this show we claim to watch football,

because we do, Vanderbilt looks like a top 10 team to me. So, you know, they have a pretty tough schedule coming down the pike here, and if they're not, they'll get exposed and we'll adjust it. But for the time being, I think they've earned that spot in that pole. Yeah. No, and that's the thing.

They're going to play some more games if they lose, then I'll take them out. It's not a big deal. Yeah. Bigger deal is if you're Brian Kelly and you're staring down the barrel of Texas A&M next week, open date, Alabama,

because you got hired to win national championships. Your three predecessors, Nick Sabin, Les Miles, and Ed Orgeron, all won national championships by year four. If you lose one of these games, these next two games you will not win a national championship in year four you will not have made the playoff in any of your four years they're not going to be winning a national championship in

year four i think we already know that uh they're not regardless of what happens later on what i will say is what we said in the instant reaction video and it's important to repeat to the people who don't listen to all of them ls u is not as good as vanderbilt Clark Lee, I believe, was hired nine months at Vanderbilt before Brian Kelly was at LSU. Hit me with your excuse as to how that's acceptable. It's not. There's nothing acceptable about it. Kurt Signetti and Clark Lee should like just go, like, recreate that Paul Rudd clip.

Look at us. Who would have thought? Not me. they're literally making everybody at traditional powers that aren't winning at a high level look like shit. They're destroying everyone's excuses. Like when Brian Kelly's like, it's Ed Arjran's fault.

There were only 34 players in the ball game before I took over. No, no, no. By the way, your best player, your quarterback, Garrett Nussmeyer, you know who he signed with? Ed Orgeron. You don't get to make any excuses. this is your team and your fault period so i don't know we did have a small discussion about buyouts

i think he would be owed north of 50 million um i think it's almost 60 million right or more a little bit more it's a lot of freaking money uh hold on i will i will look it up uh the brian kelly buyout did you know kirby smarts buyout is 105 million no i think he's getting fired anytime soon, but 53.3 million for Brian Kelly. And if I am not mistaken, I don't believe there's any offset language like in James Franklin. So you would just pay him and he would keep all of it, even if he got a job. And that is an important distinction as we try to glean any clues on what expensive buyout is from Penn State's actions. That Penn State is hoping that it gets a 50% discount off here as James Franklin does his hire me tour on college game day this morning.

So, and I think he will get hired. I don't know where that's going to be. I'm very curious about where. Can I give you three schools, two of which don't have openings, but I think they might eventually have openings? Sure. Virginia Tech, and that may be Shane Beamer, but Virginia Tech, North Carolina, NC State.

I think James Franklin would kill it at any of those places. Kill it. But I don't think that James Franklin, Franklin situation makes me feel different. I don't think LSU was going to fire Brian Kelly this year. I don't think so because I don't know that they have the money to do it right now. I got to look up the buyout because I don't know what the structure is. I don't know if it's just all you just keep paying him like you would keep paying because

it's a fully guaranteed contract. So do they pay him like they would just keep paying him or is there an amount due up front? I got to dig into that. I got to look at the contract. But... It does seem unlikely. And also if he's 8 and 4, I don't know. I just don't know.

I do think, though, that the LSU fans are out. And if he's 8 and 4, they are really out. Yeah. Listen, you just got beaten by a better team that, you know, would love to go 9 and 3. So, you know, the schedule, I think, is looking right down the barrel at 8 and 4. And dare I say, worse, potentially. Mm-hmm. Yep. We do have to talk about all more game already that we've not gotten to.

The Holy War. Beautiful uniform matchup. Hard-hitting game, as usual, nasty rivalry. BYU wins 24-21. They were in control of this game. Utah got close there at the end. But this is a huge win for BYU. L.J. Martin with 122 yards in the ground.

Bear Bachmeier, 229 yards of total offense. the numbers aren't that great. It doesn't matter. The score is what matters. BYU is still undefeated. They are the ones that could win the Big 12. Now they've got the two, you know, they've got one of the biggest wins.

They're going to play Texas Tech on November 8th. So I'm thinking differently about the Big 12 after Texas Tech lost. And now I'm looking at BYU as a legitimate college football playoff container. Yeah, that might be worth a drive to Lubbock on November 8th. Yeah. So they don't, it's not easy for them. Like they're at Iowa State next week. They get a week off.

Then they're in Lubbock. Then they play TCU at home. Then they go to Cincinnati. Like, BYU will get challenged. If BYU winds up in the, in the Big 12 title game, they earn their spot. Yeah. As a reminder, BYU got to 9 and 0 last year and then lost consecutive. But I will say that Kalani Sataki just knows how to win games, man.

They win games. So, you know, it's a rivalry game. You got Utah at home, super impressive. And, you know, I don't know if we're going to get too too excited yet. You know, a lot of football left in the Big 12. But I will be very excited to watch that BYU game at Texas Tech if they are able. able to beat Iowa State next week. Yeah. It's going to be a lot of fun. Now, we are trying to see what happens in this floor state game. We're not going to be able to stay on the air for the end

of the Florida State Stanford game. It's 1310 Stanford. It looked like Florida State was going to get back in it, getting the lead with a, it looked like a Deuce Robinson touchdown that got called back. But it's 1310. Stanford is moving the ball a little bit now, though. Ari, this has been such a fun, weird Saturday. I think this is what they're all going to be like for the rest of the way. I thought that they did a really good job with the game windows today, too. I thought there was a lot of compelling football in every window. Yes.

And I think if you look at next week, noon is really loaded next week. So we'll give you a little previews of next week because we're going to do some game previews, obviously. When we get going on Sunday, we think we're probably going to have. have to talk about Billy Napier in the Florida job at some point on Sunday. But here you go. UCLA at Indiana, which is suddenly very interesting. That game, they've not announced a time on that one yet.

They've not announced a time on Missouri at Vanderbilt, which it's another really fun game. That's either going to be 3.30 or night game. Ole Miss, Oklahoma is a noon game. Ole Miss at Oklahoma is suddenly very, very interesting because both of them have a loss. one of them is going to have two losses and be back against the wall. Virginia and North Carolina, interesting from a just a macabre standpoint, just, yeah. South Florida at Memphis, big one in the American buy. Oh, we did not mention this.

We got to talk about this one. UAB beat Memphis. UAB fired Trent Dillfer this week. Trent Dilfer was a terrible coach at UAB. You know Trent Dilfer. You saw him as a quarterback in the NFL, and then you saw him on ESPN for all those years. but UAB wins 3124. The final sequence of this game, Ari, was painful

because Memphis looked like they were going to score and tie the game. There was a situation where their quarterback appears to run the ball into the end zone. He gets tackled near the goal line. It looks like he rolls over the tackler instead of actually touching the ground. And so they were going to call it a touchdown that it gets reviewed. It's not a touchdown. And then there's just penalty after penalty after penalty. And finally, I think they ended up,

fourth and goal from the 11 and throw it a complete pass and end up losing 3, 3,21, 24. But huge win for UAB, huge win for Alex Mortensen, the son of the late Chris Mortensen from ESPN. Alex is the interim coach at UAB. He's been coached. He's been coached in a long time. It was in the Sabin tree for a while. But big win for him. Memphis loses not out of the American race because, again, they play USF next week.

And they play Navy later in the season. So they now just have to win every game. Yeah, a monumental game in the noon window next week to help determine who that G5 playoff team is going to be, and I anticipate that whoever it is will be the winner of the American. So huge game. Huge game. Also next week, 7.30 Eastern Time on ABC, Texas A&M at LSU.

The heat could be turned up on Brian Kelly big time, or or LSU stays alive and Texas A&M starts to feel some heat. Yeah, I don't know. A&M is probably a few losses away from heat, but, you know. Oh, Mike Elko is not in danger of anything. He's in a great spot, but A&M needs to win games like this because there are some games coming up that are pretty hard. And M's schedule is LSU, Missouri, South Carolina, Sanford, and Texas.

Which team can they not beat? They can beat them all. Will they beat them all? I don't know. I think it's a relative certainty that A&M is going to the playoff this year. I don't think there are any relative certainties, and I don't think you should say anything is relatively certain about anything involving a football team in Texas. That Notre Dame wins.

You get yourself in trouble when you do that. That Notre Dame key, I just say if they go three and two against that schedule, they'll probably be in. I'm not even, it's not that crazy of a thought process. I think you get yourself in trouble when you say definitive things like that. Hey, what's the worst that can happen? You throw it back on my face? No, that's exactly what I'll do.

So one more game we didn't mention. Indiana is still really good. Blasted Michigan State, 3810. Kurt Signetti's a very rich man. We didn't get a chance to talk about it because it happened Friday. Kurt Signetti, $11.6 million a year, eight years fully guaranteed, $93 million fully guaranteed. Ari, these ADs have learned nothing, nothing.

You got, but I also understand that Indiana has something that they've never had. I know, I get it, but this is, this is how huge buyouts happen. I don't, I'm not saying it's going to happen with Cigetti, but that's how it happens. But at least if and when it does happen, you'll understand why. It's when you have the fully guaranteed, like James Franklin's almost fully guaranteed deal. Why? You know, there's a few whys in there. You said it when it happened.

We were at the athletic together and you said it when it happened. Yeah, it's like, what are we doing here? Half the fan base was out on him the day he signed it. Right. Right. It wasn't like it happened right after they won the Big Ten in 2016, although I think you got a new contract then, too. We're a new start back then. And obviously, he did good last year. So it seemed smart in the moment. But for at least from this standpoint, Indiana knew that Kurt Signetti was going to pop up on every single hotboard of all the coming job openings. And how do you get somebody to not engage in those discussions with other schools? You give them an offer that he can't. refuse. Did I sound anything like the godfather there? No, I'm making

him enough if they can't refuse. That's better. I don't know if that was good. I don't think that was good either. But that's okay. I'm here on the, on the, on the day of your daughter's wedding. I think I could do a better Luca Bratzi than I can. You can do a good, a good Italian. Just do this with your wrist. Oh, come on. Manja. All right. Gabacou.

Stanford. Gaba Gould. Stanford just scored another touchdown. It's 20 to 10 Stanford in the second half. We're not staying up for that. Well, I mean, I'm staying up. I got to write a story. So I'm going to watch it.

But are we going to have a live show afterward? No. But who knows? It's not worthy of live. That's the problem. We might have something to talk about tomorrow with Florida State, though. Oh, Lord. It's going to be a very busy week.

Very busy week. But thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. And hey, we'll talk to you again on Sunday, get you prepped for the biggest games of next week, and probably be talking about the Florida job, and maybe some other jobs. Who knows who's going to panic? We're picking games on Monday. Let's go.