Andy & Ari On3 - Could Michigan just say no to the NCAA? | Should Kentucky fans boo or cheer John Calipari?

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

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Welcome to Andy and Ari on three presented by Wendy's. Happy Friday. It is a dear Andy, dear Ari, mailbag day. And we got questions that run the game. We got a really good basketball question today. Ari. I can't wait to dive into that one, man. You know, I'm your source for college basketball. You don't need to know anything about college basketball for this one. This is you just need to know about people getting mad at coaches,

which something we all understand in the football. I can handle that one. Yeah, but we'll start out with with a little bit of it's not really realignment news because it probably will keep realignment from happening for a little bit longer. Hopefully, maybe we'll see ESPN has picked up the ACC's meteorites option through 2036. This is something I already remember when Florida State sued the ACC and Clemson sued the ACC. It was like, ooh, is the ACC even going to get its option picked up by ESPN? And ESPN is like, yes, we will pick up the option. According to the story by Andrew

Adelson and David Hale of ESPN, one of the things they're gonna do to try to get some more money toward the Florida States and the Clemsons and the North Carolinas of the world is these value add events where they're supposed to create better matchups, create better games that will maybe make ESPN give them a little more money.

And I as far as I can tell, this just means having Notre Dame play. Clemson and Florida State pretty much every year. Yeah, or you could create matchups and then just if you're really good, just have a harder schedule to the playoff from now on to that's another option. Well, you you right you could create matchups with the SEC. Like if you can schedule a bunch of good home and homes with SEC teams, that'll make ES being happy because it has the rights to both leagues.

So it's gonna get both those games. So like the Florida Miami matchup where it was in Gainesville last year, it's gonna be in Miami this year. That's great. That works for them. The Notre Dame thing is the easiest thing because Notre Dame is contractually obligated to play five ACC teams a year.

Yeah. So instead of just rotating it evenly, just set them up with the marquee brands. That's what I mean. But that's what I mean. Like the marquee brands are going to potentially be in a position to make more money, but they're also going to have a harder schedule every year too, as a result of it, which you know, that's a small small grip, I guess. I'm sure Florida State would be happy to play a little bit of a harder schedule if it meant getting more money. But in terms of like the past, I don't know how much Florida State was a player schedule right now in their current state that if more money is an option, there aren't a lot of downsides or things that people won't do to cash that check. It might be a better fan experience in terms of viewership. The team just might be in a harder position to make it or a better one if they're good enough to win those games.

So I think that like the interesting thing to me is. The entire point of the sports evolution, you know, at least from a fan benefit standpoint should be the sales pitch of we're just going to have more good games everywhere in the country. And the consequences of losing those games aren't necessarily what they've been, but then it promotes the ability to strengthen your resume, but also have games that people want to watch. And I think that that's a good thing.

So, you know, I think I would much rather watch Notre Dame play Clemson or Notre Dame play Florida State than I would I don't know. I don't want to disparage anybody but about a lower half You know you're saying you're not that fired up about Notre Dame Wake Forest. I got you Yeah, but also too at the same time you could say you're not as fired up about Notre Dame Wake Forest as you are about Notre Dame Florida State But at the same time to wake force is probably excited at the notion that this might keep their conference together right? Exactly. What do you want? Like you want to play Notre Dame more or do you want to be in a stable conference with big brands that people care about longer? Like that to me is like the number one thing. You know Wake Forest isn't

necessarily as blessed as Northwestern. They're not as blessed as Vanderbilt from the, you know, being on the right train at the right time, but they're also in a position where if you can kind of calm some of those waters that are causing the shakeups, because if and when the ACC falls apart down the line, like that's the next big domino

that changes the entire complexion of the sport. So like, I don't know. Like that's the next big domino that changes the entire complexion of the sport. So like I don't know. Like here, here's the thing that I have a hard time with Andy and you can help me with this is that like when the Pac 12 died, I was really upset. Like I was like, that feels wrong. Um, it feels weird. It feels bizarre. It feels just off to me, but it's like now that the Pac-12 doesn't exist anymore, like how much energy should I even reserve in my own heart for like the salvation or the continued allegiance to what's already there? Like how how much should the average college football fan that's not an ACC fan mourn the potential upcoming death of a conference when like the entire sports different? That's like, why do we need to preserve the ACC right now? It's like the

Pac-12 is gone, the Big 12 isn't what it used to be. You know, like, should we just give into the inevitable and just kind of hope that it happens so we can get to a resting area or do we want to live in a tumultuous time where like we're just forever on the edge of our seat, waiting to see what the next step is going to be in the reorganizing of the conferences and of course, ultimately the sport. Like, I don't know, like the idea of the ACC dying sucks to me in my head, but now that the PAC 12 is gone,

it's like, well, you know, it's like the house renovation. If you're going to get a new house, you might as well finish the job, right? Like, I don't know. Is that a weird way of looking at it? Uh, here's the thing. Everybody looks at that differently because if you're a fan of a school that would be left on the side of the road when this happens, yeah, that's awful for them. Yeah. Yeah.

If you're North Carolina, if you're Clemson, if your floor is State, if you're a fan of one of those schools, you're like, okay, yeah, like get to the thing. But there may be some sentimentality a little bit toward the conference, probably less with Florida State than with the ones that have been in it longer. But I just, yeah, I think it, if you're the fans of the big brands, which here's the thing, that's most people, but it's not all people. So. I think everybody's still trying to figure out how to thread that needle where you don't leave a bunch of schools on the side. I don't know if that happens or not. What's the best reality for Wake Forest

though? Like let's actually talk about this. The best reality of course is the ACC staying together forever and then being in a conference that generates a lot of money with Florida State, Miami, and North Carolina. But if we get to a point where that's no longer tenable, which I'm not sure, you know, this might be a good step forward for a few more years, but like if we're thinking down the line to like 2040, which sounds forever from now, but it's actually not. It does feel like it's impossible for all the big brands to not be together eventually.

Does that feel like a fair statement right now? If I think it's fair. It's an inevitability. So if you're waiting for it. The ACC's contract is the last one, 2036. It's the last one. So what do we? If we accept that as an inevitability, then what is the

best case scenario for the Wake Forests of the world? Like do you going to go team up with some of the other teams and like like is there like a resurrection of wazoo and Oregon State and Wake Forest? Can they like make their other a new conference later down the line that's still included in the ultimate, you know, pack to the playoff, but also is just is what it is like, or do you want it to be settled?

Like, I just like, I feel like, like again, to go back to the house renovation thing, it's like, okay, well, we knocked down the Pac-12 and we're building this new, new structure, but it's like, oh, well, we not going to do the other room that needs work. Yeah, it's just like might as well get to the to the final product and live in that reality. I just don't know if it's ever gonna be is.

Yeah, I don't know if it's ever going to be settled because everybody is just sort of scrambling for everything. Like if you if you look at the conferences below the FBS like the ones that are FCS football or that some of the conferences with schools that don't even play football, that just start, you know, basketball's their main sport and they're just, like the moving around in there has been wild.

It's been even crazier than what's gone on in the FBS. So I don't know that you're ever gonna get a stopping point. Like realignment has been going on forever and probably will continue to go on. Now. Now the question is whether or not realignment can ever regress back to the norm. Like it could like nobody would ever willingly leave the SEC or the Big Ten. So I feel like once we get to the place where the Big Ten and the SEC are set, like I think that would be a long agreement

that would last a very long time because yeah, I think at the top. Yeah, at the top it would at the bottom. It would keep the duck. The chairs would keep shuffling as everybody just tried to find more money. Yeah, my ultimate fear has always been the same. And I'm assuming that you and I are on the same page

on this, but it's like throughout my entire career and you know I think if you host a national college football podcast it's basically true I saw someone did this to Josh Pate the other day of like you only talk about the big brands it's like my biggest fear in all of this isn't the preservation of what I feel is normal it's the preservation of every single fan of every FBS school feeling like their team is a part of the system. Yes. And like, I don't know if it's an inevitability that it's a 20-team league in the Big Ten and a 20-team league in the SEC and then it's a Super League.

Like, we've been talking about that for two years. I don't know if that's the inevitability here, but like, if we do arrive at a place where Wake Forest is left out and like Washington state and Oregon state becomes a norm for like 20 schools, that would really suck. It would. You care about you. Like you, you might not think it because we talk about Ohio state and

Georgia and Michigan a lot. And we do that a, because those teams are, are interesting for longer during a year that the national championship is emphasized, but also to they've got the largest fan bases. That doesn't mean that we won't take the time and we haven't taken the time to talk about everybody and that we don't care about them. You know what I mean? Like we spent a lot of time on ASU this year. Why?

Because they gave me a reason to talk about them. They were interesting and it's not a brand bias. It's an interesting bias. And I just don't want to get to a point where Wake Forest couldn't be interesting even if they were really good. You know what I mean? Like that's like, you always want to have the path to interesting. I think it's the way I would put it. Perusa River with a good question. Hey, we got River chiming in with Dear Andy and Dear Ari questions. What does it mean for the middle of the road?

ACC schools, the Louisville's, Georgia Tech, the NC States. I think I throw Virginia Tech in here. Like these are really good brands. These are good football brands. They're good. Well, I Louisville if they get basketball back on track and they're trying, it's a good multi-sport brand. Like they got to get there's got to be a place for those people. It's a good multi sport brand like they gotta get.

There's gotta be a place for those people and I don't know if it's if there's a Super League, then those guys merge with the Big 12. To be kind of 100 under that as the Big 10 as the Big 10 in the SEC get bigger. I'm assuming that the team that the conferences that aren't the big 10 of the SEC also will in turn get bigger as well. The thing that I wonder about Andy is that because the Pac 12 was the first to keel over if those schools that were the leftovers for lack of a better term in the Pac 12 were in a better position to respond to that by, you know, jumping to the ACC or the big 12 as a result of being first. But like if it happens now, it's like if Florida State and Clemson and those guys in the ACC go to the SEC and the Big 10, then where are the leftover spots left? Because like that's only five or four schools that would be added to the ACC or the SEC in the Big 10.

I don't think the Big 12 can add 15 schools. You know what I mean? Like it's gonna be a very interesting- Well, no, I think it would be more of a merger into their own kind of super conference. Yeah, so I think that like it's also too that maybe the solution here is a conference that doesn't have a name yet or it doesn't exist yet, right? And that that's always on the table and

you know again. As much as I've pushed back at the notion of the expanded playoff being. The right thing for the sport. I being. The right thing for the sport. I think that the right thing for the sport is inclusion to the system, and if the consequence of that is a blowout in the first round,

then I think that's a small price to pay for Wake Forest to have a path to being good. I mean, how much did you enjoy watching? The end of the Big 12. Regular season schedule last month of Big 12 play. How much did you enjoy watching the end of the Big 12 regular season schedule last month of Big 12 play? How much did you enjoy like... Buddy they were on the edge of Miami. Texas they were almost to the semis baby. Yeah. Like they were there. 100%. So like here's the thing that I cannot stand and like as we are removing ourselves away from the finality of last year,

I've had some time to reflect on it. And as you know, I was very annoyed when we were together the first weekend of the playoff in Ohio about the discourse of the blowouts, right? A, because blowouts happen all the time, and B, there's nothing that we can ever do to prevent them. But I do think that if we are going to exist in a system where there are 12 teams in there, that that is enough of a window, or there's enough space to include everybody. And it's like Boise State losing to Penn State pretty handily.

If that's the consequence for Boise State getting to play a game, then I think complaining that it was a blowout is fucking stupid. Like it's like if you either want them in or you don't. And if if we want them in, which we've made the decision collectively as a nation that we want them in, then like we have to preserve the the ability for those teams that aren't in the big conferences to at least have a chance and maybe 99% of the time they don't have a chance from a physical standpoint in terms of the rosters they can put together, but if 99 times they get blown out, but win one out of the 100, I think that

that is enough. We have to preserve that, but we cannot tell. I think it'd be a lot of fun to see it because we almost saw it with ASU in Texas. And this is the thing that I got so upset about the Finebomb tweet. Like we don't have to reopen that wound, but like if you just want to put the best or the biggest, most talented teams in the 12 team field,

then you're telling all these schools, like SMU and Wake Forest, and all the other ones that fall under that same umbrella that even if you were good It doesn't matter. We cannot get to a place Whether I'm a big band for big brand bias guy or not Where we tell a large portion of the country that their games do not matter and if we do that Then we need to have two separate leagues Where they're not going for the same championship or we need to figure it separate leagues where they're not playing for the same championship

or we need to figure it out because that's stupid. It's bad for business. It's bad for business. Like leaving a couple of those big brands out so that the other group, which is still a large number of people, because we're talking about the fans, we're talking about the potential customers. Just because the individual fan bases aren't as big as Alabama doesn't mean that they're not collectively massive. Right. Like you kick them all out in the aggregate, you've cost yourself a lot of customers. So I'm with you.

I'm thinking more from a dollars and cents standpoint here. Like if you leave Alabama or South Carolina or Ole Miss out so that you can keep, because you're not keeping the two teams that make the playoff, those fan bases, you're keeping the fan bases for everyone in their leagues. That's right. If like SMU wouldn't have gotten in in favor of Alabama at the end of the year,

then what are you telling Wake Forest? What are you telling Virginia Tech? What are you telling all Louisville? What are you telling? It's not just screwing SMU fans. It's screwing the entire country that has a program that's similar to that. So when I was like stumping for SMU at the end of the year, I wasn't stumping for SMU.

I was stumping for college football. You know what I mean? Like, and I think that like people didn't understand that in the moment. And like, that's the thing. If they are in the system, then we treat them as part of the system. If you do not want them in the system, then they should be playing

for a different trophy at a lower level, but you can't have both. You can't say, hey, everyone's welcome and then slam the door in their face when they do what they need you to do. Especially in the face of Alabama and Miami and the other teams not doing what they need to do. It's not picking two equal parties. It's picking the worst party in terms of an accomplishment standpoint to tell the better party or the more accomplished party that

their fan base does not matter. And if you do that, that's why the headline was so dramatic, Andy. That's why the headline is the biggest threat to college football imaginable because I roll my eyes of NIL is going to ruin college football and the expanded playoffs. Nothing's going to ruin college football other than telling a large segment of the fans, the Syracuse fans, that their fucking season doesn't matter. I'm sorry, but I don't mean to get wound up about it and use the effort, but like, that's the truth. SMU getting in was good for Syracuse. SMU getting in was good for Wake Forest.

And if you want to talk about this podcast and all we care about is the Bama and, uh, you know, the Ohio States of the world, then, then play this clip on repeat, okay, cause this is what, how I really feel. And if you can't tell, like I'm pretty wound up about it. I've had a long 24 hours. I'm like I'm very passionate about this specific instance,

and that is why my behavior at the end of the year, both online and in column form and on this podcast illustrated because like that to me is the number one issue. It's not collective bargaining. It's not transferring.

It's not NIL. It's not bag men. It's not even bargaining. It's not transferring. It's not NIL. It's not bag men. It's not even cheating. It's telling the teams that are in the sport that even though they're in it, it does not matter. Sorry. All right, I gotta get this off my chest now though. Huel, busy mornings, late nights, working through lunch, life does not always leave room for a complete and balanced meal. And that is where Huel comes in. This is the Huel Black Edition right here. We've got 35 grams of protein,

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So here's the deal. Larry David, of course, is the co-creator of Seinfeld. He wrote the episode of that. Yeah, he wrote and wrote the episode where George quits and then comes back like nothing happened. Because that actually happened to Larry David in the 80s when he was a writer for Saturday Night Live. He got really mad on a Friday, said I quit, I'm never coming back, stormeded out realized over the weekend he messed up and he showed back up to work on Monday. I was joking I don't know like to me you know what sports writers do Stuart Mandel does this all the time yeah I'm coming for you Stu. They like to know out and joke about things like in pop culture from like 30 years ago that no one gets and like I'm starting

to wonder. Rick Riley was huge on that. Like like yeah like the the Bruce Springsteen of sports writers of like yeah this reminds me of Bruce it's like if we have 3835 people watching this live right now what do you think the average or median age is of those people? Oh, it's, it's low because I know things on YouTube who watch things, watch shows on social media tend to be under 35. If you're in the chat right now and you like to type, just type in your age. I'm very curious. I'd like to know how old you guys are.

40s is it's like, I'm 36. Oh shit, I'm 37 now. Um, old, old man. I watch Seinfeld when like I go to bed at night. Like when Britt's not here or she's out of town or something like I fall asleep to Seinfeld. I think it's one of the greatest sitcoms ever made. Are Seinfeld jokes landing to people or are we at that like age cusp of like OK, maybe we don't make Seinfeld jokes because we don't want to like leave a certain segment of the audience. There's a 15 year old in here by the way. Yeah, and

Jack Terry, who's our coworker, says he's seven. Jack, we know you're actually like 24, but. He's actually like, maybe at heart seven, I don't know. I gotta get to know him better. He's got good vibes. So we're gonna have, we actually are gonna have Jack on the show at some point, because Jack is the person behind

the greatest on three graphics. And we're gonna have to explain how this process works. I want him. I want to go deep inside his mind. But this is interesting. But I'm watching this. We got people in their 20s, people in their 30s, people in their 40s. So, hey, advertisers, check it out.

Broad reaching podcast. Broad reaching. That's the thing. It's like, I don't know if we are at the, because when was, when was Seinfeld airing new in the 90s? Seinfeld aired new in the 90s. So it went off the air in 1998. I mean, that was literally almost what?

Bad at math podcast 30 years ago. Yes. Yes. More than 25 years ago. So that's, so like, and I don't even know if that humor carries over to like the new generation. So I just like, when Stuart Mandel tweeted about Alice in Chains, like I'm 37, I had no idea what the hell he was talking about.

Like, you know, and I don't ever want to do a show. You were too young for Alice in Chains. It kind of split the middle with you because you were like six when they were most popular. Like you were arguing with people on Twitter about what the best Alice in Chainsong was. It's like I couldn't name an Alice in Chainsong if you put it. It's wood. It's wood and the and the people got very mad. There were

some big man in the box fans, some big angry chair fans, some big dim bones fans, but no it it yes the but the Seinfeld jokes I feel like are are fairly universal. Like the idea of quitting and coming back the next day like nothing happened. Yeah. It's funny now as long as you present it in a funny way. Like it doesn't have to be George. There was a Twitter feed that had like, what if Seinfeld had cell phones? Because there are certain episodes of Seinfeld, like the Chinese restaurant and the Barbecue

Rage one. Yeah, no, Bottom Day Seinfeld, like the Chinese restaurant and the bottom day Seinfeld is one of the best. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's some really funny ones, like cell phones destroy the parking garage episode, cell phones destroy our smartphones destroy that smartphones destroy the Chinese restaurant episode. But it's okay. It's okay. The world does keep turning. But the joke is the in. That's the number one critique of the wire, right? Like people don't like watching the wire now because it was outdated.

Because of the pagers. Yeah, because the first season's all about, they're using pagers. So. I actually think that the coolest thing about Sopranos is that there are no cell phones. Or there were, they were like mobile phones. Like they were, but like it was like, I liked the era of that.

Well, smartphones are kind of the ultimate problem solver. So they, they, they create a bunch of plot or they would solve all your plot holes, unfortunately. And that's you need, you need to be able to have some of those. So that that is one of the issues. but all right Let's talk about this Michigan thing Let's say Michigan is punished in a severe way and we don't know that they will be we do know that Michigan is digging In for a fight any NCAA. I'm like a terrible at podcasting

I gotta just read you this modern Seinfeld thing because of what you okay. I have to add go I'm so sorry if you want to need if quit I will I'm a terrible host I'm so sorry. If you want to need to quit, I will. I'm a terrible host. This is modern Seinfeld plots. George's girlfriend wants a no phones at dinner rule. George, we had a good thing going Jerry. Now what are we supposed to do? Talk. This can only end badly. Matt, exactly. Now that would work. All of these things. Yeah. But I will tell you, I will tell you.

Bizarro. Perhaps my favorite episode of Seinfeld, like that idea of there's a Bizarro world version of your friend group, which by the way, I think Bizarro was also Man Hands, that same episode, that Man Hands was the B plot of Bizarro, like still universal, still funny, doesn't matter the smartphones exist, it all still works.

So after her buddy texts her, texts Elaine that he could come over to watch Netflix, Elaine is actually mad when he gets there and wants to watch Netflix. Like, can you just picture these episodes? This would be amazing. Is Julia Lou Dreyfus too busy for this right now? Because I want to see that episode right now. Literally they could run it back if they really wanted to in a world where every single thing that they make in the world is, is a remake now.

Like every movie that comes out to remake, every show is a remake. There's no imagination. There's no new newness. Like, are you telling me that if Larry David wanted to punt on curb and they and they wanted to make a modern Seinfeld of them at this age that they couldn't make an amazing show, I guarantee you they could. It'd be amazing. They're tired of it and too rich but let's

yes let us talk about Michigan. So Michigan is digging in for a fight against the NCAA. The NCAA is going to try to punish Michigan I I think, as harshly as it can. This would be the Committee on Infractions, by the way, not the NCAA enforcement staff, because that's how that works. The Committee on Infractions, which is made up of people from schools, they do the punishing. I do think they will try to get the most severe punishment they can. I'm not entirely sure what that is at this moment, because the principals involved in this thing. You got Connor Stallions. He's gone. Jim Harbaugh because you can attach anything that was done by an underling to the head coach. They added that

because they were really bad at getting head coaches on stuff because of plausible deniability. But Jim Harbaugh is gone. He's the NFL. So. I'm not exactly sure what they can do. They're going to try to punish Sharon Moore. You got deleted text messages from Sharon Moore, but they weren't really deleted because they were still on his phone. He gave his phone to them knowing that they'd find them.

So it wasn't, like, I don't even know if that's actually not cooperating. So I'm not entirely sure what they can do. Okay. Do you want to get into the conversation that we had on the phone the other night? Let's get into that. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Okay. So you and I were on separate ends of a conversation. Although I think we agree on the core issue here, which is this is like, what are we doing? Right? Like, I don't know. The point of this is, is that when you do something wrong or you're accused of doing something wrong, people want to process and results.

So that's fair. But like there are only two ways. I think that Michigan can be hurt at this point because they have the hardware. As said the games are on YouTube the games happen we watched them they won and they won a lot of those games or most of them all the big games after they were caught and out. We're talking about national title season. Yeah. Two years ago. One would be to suspend Sharon Moore for a long period of time so that it cost Michigan future wins That's the first way you could hurt Michigan, right? Which I think is probably something they're trying to do right and like also too if he turned his phone over and There's nothing on it. I don't even know what he's being punished for well exactly that's the thing like that's they're saying

He deleted text messages and that's bad Except that when they said can you and this is his personal phone, they said, when you turn this over, will you turn this over? And he willingly turned it over knowing they were going to find the text messages he deleted. Which means he doesn't think there's anything on there. On my phone that I would like to recover for personal reasons one day. I don't know like I'm not I'm not I know what you're thinking. It's called the NCAA. Maybe you can find him. But some some stuff from back in my early twenties. I but the second thing is where we disagree. Yes.

Okay. And like fines, whatever Michigan can just pay the fine. No one gives a **** right. right? So the one way you could hurt them going forward is by penalizing the coach. And I think by penalizing the coach, that also makes the general public feel like he did something wrong, even though it doesn't seem like he did. Now, I will point out that the head coach at the time

did miss three games of that season, which is why the two most important regular season games because of this thing. Now Harbaugh missed games earlier in the season because of the other, the Burger Gate thing, but he actually missed three because of this thing, which I would argue is the most significant coaching suspension that has ever happened in this era of college football. I just don't. So that's the thing like before I go to the second coaching suspension that has ever happened in this era of college football. I just don't. So that's the thing like before I go to the second thing, which is the number one topic here. I don't know if I were Michigan. I would not lay down

if Sharon Moore did nothing wrong. Okay, and I don't know what he did or what he didn't. I guess the point is that they cannot prove that he is culpable in some way. The suspension has already been served. Jim Harbaugh, the head coach who was in. Yeah. Like what is he out for? Like, like that's the thing I would fight be like, what am I personally being penalized for? Right. But here's the way that I think that you hurt them the most if they did something and it's proven that they quote unquote for lack of better word cheating vacating the national title now you think that that is stupid so why don't you go ahead i think it's utterly pointless i mean they can do it if they want but no one will actually care ohio state

fans like astros castors michigan fans will be like bet whatever come get my come get my national title shit at my house like you're not gonna do it it's it doesn't change anything like ask the Louisville people who took down had to take down their banner over the stripper thing like nobody freaking cared they won the national title like it's where we we fundamentally disagree because to me, you can't take away that the games mattered, you cannot take away that JJ McCarthy picture, and you can't even take away the fact that they won the games. Like there's no going back in time. The number one thing that college football fans I think care about over the long term is how your

greatness is remembered. And I think at the moment that Michigan's greatness two years ago is remembered by the general population of college football as a really good run. I think at the moment this team is remembered by Ohio State fans as cheaters and everybody else's champions and no one's opinions will change just no matter what you just made my point that Ohio State fans think they cheated Ohio State fans will think they cheated no matter what no matter what I'm with you. We're agreeing on right and no one else will change their mind and no one else will care what you just said there.

I disagree with because you said that the rest of the sport views them outside of Ohio State fans as champions and a great team. And I think if you take away the title in the record book, whether it happened or not, you have a... You put yourself in a position where the rest of the country will view you more similarly. Michigan fans in the chat. You give a crap if an Oklahoma State fans thinks you cheated for the national title.

Does that matter to you even one little bit? Let me know. Will that change your if the NCAA says you didn't win that national title? What do you think like what do you think? I'm a fan or our going to say publicly the entire point of being a fan is to talk shit online. You think they're gonna go, I care so deeply if they do it. They don't care right now, but I do think that like the purity of a championship, very much the same as an Ohio State.

It's not a pure championship. It was argued the entire time it happened. It was happening. Everyone is aware it's disputed. Exact thing as the Ohio State Championship this year. Ohio State won the national championship. Ohio State fans right now will probably tell you publicly that they don't give a shit that they lost to Michigan.

But in 10 years, when they look back at it, that won't be a part of it. So Michigan, no, no, no. In 10 years, Michigan fans gonna come and say hey remember when we beat you 1310 and the Ohio State fans don't care won the national title how are your five losses that year? That the stance that you have on this is when we look back at this in the annals of history that if there was an asterix or it is removed from the record books that people don't

care about that at all. Because people don't care. Like the world has demonstrated over and over and over again that nobody gives a crap. I'm going to write about this and I might be wrong. I know for sure. For me personally, that I would care about the way I was remembered. Ah, producer River with a good point. Did you did you think Reggie Bush was not a Heisman Trophy winner for the period that he did not have a Heisman Trophy? Very different scenario because Reggie Bush. No it is not.

Because the Michigan fan doesn't think they did anything wrong. You can't say no before I tell you what I'm saying. Okay go ahead. Reggie Bush didn't do anything that was perceived to allow him a competitive advantage. Like he cheated in the sense that he took money, but like nobody thinks that taking money and no Michigan fan thinks that they got a competitive advantage because that's how they think that because they have to justify it that way in their minds. But I think if Sharon Moore takes a suspension or if you take away their national championship in the record books, the general fan who isn't on YouTube with us every day will look at that and say

well, they got their vague like it's the same thing that with the Fab five right like they no one cares now right. You're saying that they well the Fab five also didn't win anything the Fab five called a time out when they didn't have one. That's the most memorable thing they did. Yeah. I mean college basketball is just different. I don't think that if I accomplish something that like I would want my accomplishment to be met with a barrage of you cheated. And I think if you vacate the championship, a person that doesn't pay

attention to it's already a barrage of you cheated. It doesn't change anything. A barrage from Ohio State. I don't think they'd want a barrage from Utah fans. Utah fans wouldn't care. They wouldn't say anything because they don't care. Yeah, and I wish I could do an anonymous poll that would be because if I do it on Twitter, then it'll just be a bunch of Ohio State fans trolling it. I really do want to know if we're being honest with ourselves. If you are an Ohio State fan,

how much does the Michigan game actually in your core bother you? Not outwardly what you say, how you feel when you are alone in your thoughts and how much if you're a Michigan fan would your would the satisfaction of the championship be altered by it being vacated and right now everybody in the job I don't care, everybody in the job, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I think people care more than they're willing on to let on. Or we can take them at face value that they don't care because they don't fricking care. They don't care.

They do not care. The world does not care. Like the random Utah fan is not even gonna give a second thought to Michigan's 2023 national title in 20 years. Do they don't care? Do you think that Houston Astros fans don't care? And I don't think they care at all. Oh, they fucking care, buddy.

You don't see any you don't see any championship T-shirts from that year. And I think that they're Dallas. They have a team that recently won a World Series. I know a lot of people who are Houston fans and they're like, yeah, that year basically didn't happen to us. And it's like, because they have, but like they're cheating,

like was actually like the reason they won. And like, that's the other thing about this. It's like, I don't know. And the reason why I'm bored by the discourse of this, because the one thing that I bored by the discourse of this, because the one thing that I actually care about here, Andy, and I think that you were with me on this, is how much did the actual things that they were doing

change the results of their games? How much of what they were doing actually helped them win. Right. And we cannot prove that. So if we can't prove that. Now the teams they beat before they got caught, they would have beaten the crap out of no matter what. That's the other part of the problem.

They were really good. Like in my gut. And then the teams they beat after they got caught were the ones that might've beaten them and they still beat them. And oh, by the way, they didn't have their coach for the two most important games including Ohio State Which still lost to not Jim Harbaugh, which should feel extra bad and I think it does good I

Actually don't think that them doing what they did was the reason they won games. But in my chest when I think or my head when I think about it, it's like well, then why were you doing it? You know what I mean? Like then what's the point if it wasn't helping you? Oh, I would listen. Listen, I am not one of those that didn't give them an advantage people. It gave them an advantage.

Yeah, it did. So the question, I guess here, let's just actually say it. It gave them an advantage. Yeah. It did. So, the question, I guess, here, let's just actually say it. If Conor Stallions was at the University of Hawaii that year, would Michigan have won the national title? Yes. In your mind? Yes.

Yes. And I think they would have too, Okay. I think by vacating it, you create a doubt to the entire country. And you can say people don't give a shit and maybe they don't. Because they don't. They don't. That's the only thing that I think that you could do from a punitive standpoint, even if you don't think that it lands, to actually make anyone care. No, and that's what I would just, if I'm a Michigan person, I would just laugh at them if they did that. Now, I would be really mad if they suspended

your own more for a long time, I'd be very mad about that, because that is actually... If I was a Michigan fan wearing a 2023 national championship shirt in public. You know, like when you go to the airport after a sporting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the airport is wearing their team's gear, like even when they lose.

I would not want the greatest accomplishment of my lifetime as a sports fan to be met with in thoughts. As people walk by me, they cheated. That would matter to me. If it doesn't matter. You're way more sensitive than I am. You just are. Like, I wouldn't give a shit. I would give zero shits.

Yeah, I don't know. It's like the entire point of competition is to be the best. And like if people think you weren't after you proved that you were, that would suck. Except they think they were and they don't think they got any sort of competitive advantage

because that's how they justified in their minds. Why would you, Yeah, right. So like, I'm not even saying like, you know, so what you're saying, you're you're you're acting like you're feeling guilty about it. There's no Michigan fan feeling guilty about it. So if somebody looks at their shirt is like, well, you cheated that year, they don't care because they don't think they did. Yeah.

So if I wrote a bestselling book and I got a fuck ton of money for it and then like it came out that like I stole the entire idea for it and it was a New York Times bestseller. I would have all the money, but like my personal. No, no, no, no. You would actually have to give the money to the

person whose idea you stole it from. Like that's an allegation and we didn't actually know if I did it or not. It was a he said it would go to it would go to court and it would be determined whether you did or didn't. So the court might make you pay that money. So deeply on this. I'm saying too logically. I know. I know it's terrible accomplishment of my life was called into question as a fraud that would bother me. Okay, so if it doesn't bother

you, that would suck. It doesn't bother what I'm telling you is it doesn't bother them. So if it doesn't bother them now, it won't bother them after getting vacated either. If it bothered them now. You would already know that, but it doesn't bother them. I don't buy that and I don't buy that Ohio State losing to Michigan this year doesn't bother them. It might not. It might not outweigh the accomplishment, but it does bother

them. I think it's the same thing. I think they're having fun celebrating their national titles. Both of them the one last year and the one this year, but I want to write about this so I don't. So let me ask you this though you at least agree with the premise that that's the only way you can actually effectively punish them at this point right there. Oh no, that's not that's not an effective punishment. So you're so your thought is you can't punish them. What are we even doing?

Pretty much. But that's the problem with a lot of NCAA justice is the people who actually did the stuff they can't reach. Like in real life, the person who actually did this stuff, unless they flee the country faces justice for it. And can go to jail or whatever, you know, can be punished in some way financially or by going to jail. In this case, if you leave NCAA land voluntarily, there's nothing they can do to you. So the fact that they can never actually get the people who did the thing. Is the problem and has always been the problem.

So it's going to be unsatisfying no matter what. You know, when Ohio State won the national title in 2014, they put up a sign. That was my fourth year on the beat at the time. They put up a sign on Lane Avenue with the trophy that said undisputed. Yeah. That probably felt pretty fucking awesome. Sure.

They're not gonna put that up this year. They're not gonna put it up in Ann Arbor. Why? There's no dispute that they won the national title. Okay. I just, I don't know. Are you disputing their national, They're not going to put it up in Ann Arbor. Why? There's no dispute that they won the national title. OK. Are you disputing their Ohio State's national title? No, I'm not. OK.

It's undisputed then. I'm talking about Michigan. I think that it's a pretty disputed title. That would suck. Well, sure. Then just put a picture of the trophy. Put a word next to it. Yeah.

Well, yeah. But I'm saying the inability to celebrate. Or just put a picture of the trophy and put a word next to it. Yeah, well yeah, but I'm saying like the inability to celebrate. We're just put a picture of the trophy and put the word bet. Yeah. You you you're making this out you're you want to ascribe something that some Ohio State fan thinks to a Michigan fan. The entire point of being a sports fan is to be able to talk **** to your other person. Ohio State fans cannot.

Both parties can about their national titles. Yeah. And then they can. No, no, no, no. You want to know last year. OK, we're talking in circles. You get where I stand and I get where you. I get it. I get it. You think you think it matters. I know it doesn't. And I think okay. I think that as we're in a world, as we are spending all this time talking about it,

and Brett B. Lema, and there's an investigation happening, we don't know what's gonna happen, that the only thing that they could do to Michigan at this point is either suspend or on more moving forward, or vacate the title. Everything else is not. Which I think will get them, I think is gonna get them dragged into real court

if they try to do that. And that is the other issue. That's the thing too, it's like, I don't know where this is headed, but if I were sure on more, I wouldn't. I actually think Michigan, Michigan might drag them into real court over a vacated title.

So while I'm saying the Michigan fans won't care, the Michigan administration might care enough. Why would they care, Andy? Why would they sue them over that? No one gives a shit. They do. Why would they care? Why? If you're the Michigan administration, you care.

Why? Because you don't want to be portrayed as a cheater. No, I said, I said Michigan fans don't give a shit. You don't want to be portrayed as a cheater. So you do agree that by vacating it that you are portrayed as a cheater. You also, if you're Michigan, why wouldn't you use every avenue to not have an adverse effect at all? You could bring down the whole system if you wanted to.

That would probably be negative to the NCAA. I don't think Michigan would care about that at that point. So I might have been saying that it is fraudulent. I'm saying if it smells fraudulent, that sucks. Okay. Well, I'm telling you that the average fan won't care. Yes, the Michigan administration will care and they probably will fight back. And I don't know if the NCAA wants that fight either. That's the other problem here. Well this is the thing too, it's like the NCAA is just a, is Millhouse. And like no matter what they do, they're just gonna get their ass kicked.

But not the Dave Millhouse wears the waiting boots and he's like everything's coming up Millhouse? I do think that Michigan is probably the stronger front in a legal battle here. So right and that's the thing like the North Carolina case with the fake classes and all that. North Carolina was prepared to drag the NCAA into court if there was a serious punishment levied for that. Now the enforcement staff messed that up by saying that was an extra benefit when everyone knew it was available to every student. And so the committee on infractions very wisely goes, we can't punish them for that because it's not actually an extra benefit. You know what's interesting, and I don't know if you've been paying attention to the chat,

but we are like 50-50 on this debate, by the way. I know. It's a great podcast topic. So I think, so yeah, but I also think too that like, you're probably right in some instances and I'm probably right in some, don't you think? Like you don't think that. No, I, I, a hundred percent.

There's a reason I chose this question. Okay, but you, but you're like saying nobody will care is like patently false. Ari, do you understand how the internet and shows work? No, explain it to me. You stake out a side. I know, but your side is wrong. You can't say nobody will never know.

And your side, and I think your side is wrong, and that's why it's the perfect topic. No, but I also think that some people are gonna care. I'm not saying everybody, you're making a statement that nobody's gonna care. No, no, no, I know. I think Ohio't fans care deeply. No, I think you're saying no. Just don't think any Michigan fan cares what they think. That is wrong. Okay. Love you though. But you think so. You can't make a blanket statement about anything. Sure.

You can. In life. Have you never watched a TV show? Have you never watched Stephen A. Smith even once? Yeah. Blanket statements equal ratings, buddy. I know, I made a mistake in my career a lot of like talking for people and like, if people get mad, it's like, yeah, and it's like actually something I do in my personal life too of like,

everybody thinks this and it's like, no, they don't. No, everybody doesn't think anything. I just got an Ari is right from a Michigan, uh, avatar there, pal. Woo. Look at that. Look at that. All right. Ari was it's next article.

Andy Staples position in the Michigan investigation is the biggest threat imaginable to college football. Yes. It's not actually the big, I would love to be the biggest threat to something. The actual truth to this whole topic is that like no matter what they do whether people care or not it changes nothing and I think that's the overarching that's the overarching sentiment of like okay you can take the title away or you can try to suspend Saron Moore moving forward. The two real realities of this is that they won the national title two years together, whether you like it or not, how you receive it afterwards is your prerogative. And two, there's nothing that can be done. The one thing I will say and I want to make this point before we move on

is if I were Sharon Moore and I did cooperate and handed my phone over and they found nothing, I would refuse any settlement that willingly accepts a suspension because I also think that accepting a suspension will, whether it's true or not, create an environment where you're culpable or at least responsible for something that happened. I think I would rather go to whatever court system that they would go to and I wouldn't take a- And I think that is a punishment that that that actually does mean something if you and if that's supposed to be dead that arrow is supposed to be dead right if your current coach gets suspended for what happened then

then you are labeled as cheaters moving forward now it might result in a suspension if they go and lose but based on my understanding of what's going on behind the scenes, Michigan strikes me as in a position where he would probably win. I think they feel very confident in their position there. I wouldn't accept even a suspension for a half if I were him. I wouldn't give them an inch of public... Acknowledgement? ...acceptance, culpability.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I and I think I think you're probably right about that. Now I would they make a deal just to just to make it go away at some point I if it felt like it wasn't going to affect anything, but you're right that they feel like they're in a pretty good position there.

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We gotta redo that whole last segment because it's gonna go viral and I don't wanna look. Everybody wanna talk about the mission. Let's go. All right, so here's the thing about mission. No, that's, that's. Can you imagine? No, we just like ran it back for 40 minutes.

Cause I think, I think we hit the sweet spot there, where we just had just enough, but not too much, where people were about to get sick of it and turn it off. But I want to get to this one from Hudson, because I find this utterly fascinating. Plus, we've got some Rick Patino video that goes with it. From Hudson, hey Andy, I know this isn't college football specific, so I totally understand if y'all don't wanna weigh in,

but I also know y'all dip your toes into other sports when the off season rolls around. So I wanted to get your thoughts on John Calipari returning to Lexington this weekend. The debate among fans in Kentucky this week has been whether Cal should be booed or cheered on Saturday night. All right, let's start with what Rick Patino said, because

Rick Patino has experienced this in real life as a former Kentucky coach who came as the visiting coach before you play the clip, though. This is a college basketball question, but I think that this pertains to college football and how fans should treat coaches who return but universal but second like that debate and what Rick Patino did, I think are two different things because like I don't understand Rick Patino's like involvement in this at all

like explain. Let's let's let's play Rick Patino's video first and then we'll talk about it. Hello, Big Blue Nation. I didn't steer you wrong with Mark Pope when I sent out that last video and I certainly won't steer you wrong with this video. Toughest day of my coaching career at Louisville was when I had a walk into Rupp Arena. Tried not to show it but when I went home the reception it tore me up apart because I love that place so much. And it's interesting

because I was speaking to Ed Cooley just recently about Providence and he said he almost was brought to tears because of the bad feelings he got going back there. But this is different and as you all, I'm not best friends with John Calipari. I respect him certainly, but it was a mutual thing. The fans wanted a change. John read the tea leaves. He needed a change.

And he really didn't want to leave. But what did he do for you? He brought the best talent in the history of the game of any university in America to Lexington. He also won a national championship. He also was his style of play was extremely entertaining. So he's coming back on Saturday and I want all of you to show the great class that you have.

23,000 plus people giving him a huge standing ovation. Show him what respect and admiration's all about. I know you have the class, I've always believed in you. Do it once again. All right, so how do you feel about the Patino inserting himself piece of this? And I'll point out, St. John's is 18 and three and nine and one in Big East play like he's having a great year at Saint Johns right now, so he

might not do that if they're having a bad year. I don't understand him inserting himself into it like we talk about this over text. I don't even understand like why he cares or would do this at the moment. Is it just to get attention on him and his team? I think so. I think that's what it is because I was like, Oh's St. John's playing on Saturday? What time do they play? Oh, they play at noon on Saturday.

All right. They're having a great year. Yeah. I would bet that there's more of that to this than a desire to not make John Calipari feel bad. Now, Rick Pitino has experienced this in real life. Now, I will point out that what Rick Patino has experienced this in real life. Now I will point out that what work patinos experienced and what he mentioned Ed Cooley, who's the Georgetown coach, what

he experienced, there's two totally different things. So Rick Patino left to go coach the Boston, he left Kentucky to go coach the Boston Celtics, which everyone understood, but obviously he left Kentucky during a very successful period for Kentucky. And then he came back to college basketball as the coach of Kentucky's hated in state rival Louisville. So it's the rivalry piece of it. Ed Cooley left Providence for conference rival Georgetown, like hated

forever rival Georgetown. Now Arkansas and Kentucky have been in the same league since 1992. But it's not the same thing. The other reason this is not the same thing is Kentucky fans wanted John Calipari gone when he lost Oakland this past NCAA tournament. They wanted him gone. They wanted him out of there. And so there was real thought to firing him, which would have cost Kentucky $34 million. So instead of firing him, he goes and takes the Arkansas job. I think he did

him a favor. Okay, so this is complex and we have to bring this up in football context. This is a football show, but just so I I'm up to speed on my college basketball history Latino won a national title for Kentucky. Yeah two. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry 11 and then one in 96 and then and then Tubby won in 98. Yeah. Okay. So this circumstance as you pointed out, is much different because it's like what would happen if like Jim Harbaugh went and coached Ohio State like I think that like Jim Harbaugh

is the number one. You know figure right now in Michigan football history and or at least top two with Schembechler right if so no matter what he goes back. That would be weird if you go to a rival, right? Like that's what that's what happens. Yeah, Jim Harbaugh came back to college football at Ohio State or Michigan State. That's that would be the equivalent to

what Patino did of what happened here. Yeah, so when you get booed, I think you get booed because you're also coaching your teams rival. So like that's completely different Right Arkansas is not really Kentucky's rival Right. So my like if like Ryan Day went to coach Michigan next year, that would be like what the hell But if Ryan Day went it like went to the pros didn't work out in the pros then came back to coach

Wisconsin like I don't know if that would hit the same that said then came back to coach Wisconsin. Like I don't know if that would hit the same. That said, my number one take in general. Let me ask you this, cause I don't know. Mm-hmm. How do LSU fans feel about Saban? I think now they're more okay, but they were very mad, very, very mad. And Pooed when he came back with Alabama.

Could Nick Saban go to tiger stadium for a night game in five years wearing an LSU polo and celebrate their national title there as a tiger? I think I think he could. I think they would cheer him now. I think he could. I think they would cheer him now. One, because time has passed, two, out of respect for how good he was in general, period. But could he be, because like, here's the other thing with Saban, it's a little bit messy. Like, what he did at Alabama wasn't just go win. Like, he created their number one take and some of them get kind of weird is that if a coach wins you a national championship regardless of the circumstances that that coach should be celebrated as a part of your history

forever no matter what and it might take some time like you said if you go to coach arrival or whatever, but like Rick Pitino. Sh might have been booed when he returned to Rupp Arena. At the time, but as time passes, I think that Rick Pitino should be able to go back to Kentucky. He has back and been cheered now so right so that's what is interesting to me. It's like Cal might get booed this week, but I think as time passes and he's not coaching or he's somewhere else,

you will forever be remembered as a champion because I think that that's what that does for you. And I think with the Ryan Day discussion we just had, it's like he might lose to Michigan the next five years in a row. I still think that in 20 years, when he returns to Ohio Stadium, he can stand at midfield wearing a Buckeye pool over and get a cheer. I think that you earned that if you win

at least one championship. I think in this case though, like I'm trying to figure out the football equivalent to this. Well, actually it's at Kentucky. If Mark Stoops has a another bad year this year, Kentucky fans are going to be really mad at him. But if Mark Stoops has another bad year this year

and then leaves to take the Iowa job because Kirk Ferent's retired after this season. I think Kentucky fans. If they thought about it, would be very pleased that that happened because it saved them from paying a buyout that we as we discussed on the show the other day. They're not going to pay so John Calipari they were done with him like they were done and and Kentucky's administration Mitch Barnhart, the athletic director had decided to bring him back like this was going to be a terrible year in Lexington because the fan base was going to be sick of the coach. The coach is going to be sick of the fans. It was going to be awful if he came back. Now they like Mark Pope a lot. The new coach who is a former player who won a national title with them.

As a player, they love him. Really? They're happy with him at the moment. The record could be better, but the SEC is tough right now. They would be unhappy with Calipari. Calipari is at Arkansas now. He's not doing well. The same schematic deficiencies that caused the Kentucky fans to say, maybe the game has passed this guy by happening in Arkansas. So if I'm a Kentucky fan, like, and I'm gonna tell you what to do. If you want to boo somebody, you

paid for your ticket. You boo lustily. But this particular guy did you a big favor by taking this other job. He saved you $34 million that you would have had to pay out between now and 2029. Like that is a big time big time savings. John Calipari is a Kentucky national champion. Correct. Period. Yeah. So, I would say cheer. say thank you for John Wall, for Boogie Cousins, for Anthony Davis,

for Marcus Teague, for Carl Anthony Towns. Thanks for that. Thanks for letting us see all that. Thanks for the national title. And oh, by the way, thanks for getting the hell out of here for free instead of making us pay you $34 million. Thanks for that. So, but like whether they boo like cuz like here's the thing booing because they're in your stadium for a game is

competition. Yeah. Yeah. Getting booed when you go back to Kentucky on a random summer night for a event or something would be different. And I don't think they would do that. I think they would cheer him at that point. I think you are cheered as a main fixture in Kentucky basketball history, but I don't think being booed in the preamble to a competition is the same thing. So do what you want. I just feel like if I were a fan of a team and a coach brought me a national championship, no matter what they did outside of a felony or hurting somebody or whatever, that I would remember them as time passed as what they are, which is a national champion. Is that a fair? time passed as what they are, which is a national champion. Is that a fair? I think it's perfectly fair,

and I think in this case it's even better. He brought you a national title and instead of. And not just a national title, maybe the greatest run of basketball talent in the history of the sport. Correct, correct. Yeah. Now that just makes them mad because they think about the times they

didn't win a national title with all that talent. Oh, but too, like in college basketball, winning the championship is so much more complicated than it is in football. Isn't it? Yeah. Like, it's really hard to win in both sports. I don't know, I covered that national title run for the Anthony Davis team and Michael Kidd, Gilchrist and that bunch. It was actually very similar to the college football national titles of that era, which is just have overwhelmingly more talent than everybody else and it all worked out. Yeah, but I just feel like in basketball, like I covered basketball for a few years, believe it or

not, and I can't remember. It's been 12 years, but when Ohio State lost, and I believe it was to Kentucky in the sweet 16 in. 2011 God it's been almost 15 years. So this is the team before the national title team for Kentucky. Yeah. But that Ohio state team was 34 and three and had Jared Salinger, Dallas Lauderdale, David Leidy, Will Buford, and John Buebler, Deshaun Thomas, and Aaron Kraft on its team. Like it was like the best team in college basketball that year. And like they shot really poorly in that game. I remember people were

shocked when they lost because Kentucky was a four seed and they weren't, you know, they, they had some, they had Josh Harrelson on that team who was really, really good. Jorgs. you know, they had some, they had Josh Harrelson on that team who was really, really good. Um, Jordan night. Um, I remember this like it was yesterday. Kyle Rollins spilled a coffee on my keyboard before the game started. Um, but like also to William Buford in that game went two for 16 and he was Ohio state's best player. And it's like Ohio state, the team with no weakness had a great big man, had great three point shooters, had a great point card. Like there was the best college basketball team either Ohio State's ever had. And they just lost to a talented team in the sweet 16 because they're great. Go to Mike Connelly Jr. Team. Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying like from top to bottom, like it definitely could probably stand toe to toe. And like, I feel like

that team playing in the moment versus Ohio State's Conley, the team that you covered in the championship game, right? You covered that game, didn't you? The Florida Ohio State basketball. Yep, I did. Like the point I'm making is that Ohio State was probably better than Kentucky that year. They had a poor shooting performance in a game where the other team had talented players and they just lost in the sweet 16, which was really, really sad for them. It's just harder to like go all the way by shooting well. Right. I don't know. Like in football, it's physical.

If you've got great lines and great running back, like that translates. One or two great players have a transcendent game. You can beat a more talented team. Like that. In basketball. Yeah. In basketball. Yeah. Matchups are more important.

Like I know matchups matter in football, but like if you have a really good two guard in the in basketball and their defender who I don't know. I don't know anything about basketball, but like or if you're big man is 7 foot one and you're playing since they put a three point line on the court.

If you have one guy who just goes off. Yeah, and in playing since they put a three point line on the court, if you have one guy who just goes off, yeah, it it changes everything. Yeah. So, but like to me, it's like when I think about college basketball, I mean, I wonder what's the percentage of of coaches in the college

basketball Hall of Fame that even have a championship. It's not like football, right? Like, I mean, ****, Coach K. There's a lot more teams, a lot more coaches. How many coaches? A lot more. It's a lot more. It's a one five, I believe. Yeah, like I think that like winning five college basketball titles is almost more impressive than like what Saban did from a competition standpoint. Is that sacrilegious to say? No, I think Coach K and Nick Saban

would be very happy to be mentioned in the same breath. I think both of them would be thrilled to be mentioned with one another. So I think you're right about that. And the three point example, I mean, the Kentucky Oakland game, the Jack Goukki guy just torching Kentucky. Of course, Kentucky had more talent than Oakland. But with some of the some of the like didn't somebody on Saint Peter's a few years ago, who did they beat? Kentucky. Which is why the fans want to Califari gone. Yeah.

I'm going to look at the box score of that game right now. They won 85 to 79 and I'm just going to go. Saint Peter's didn't have anybody just go crazy from three. They just, they just flat out beat him. Like just beat them. I mean, Saint Peter's also shot 55% from three in just they just flat out beat him like just beat him. I mean though St. Peter's also shot 55% from three in the game and Kentucky shot 24% so like you know shooting I mean shooting really well also they had a yeah they shot 50% from the floor in the

game so like you can say that they didn't play good enough defense to alter shot. Like I know that it's more complicated than a shooting percentage. But if you play a team that's shooting the ball lights out, it's hard to win. stacked up and Calpari hadn't gotten them out of the second week of the tournament from for you know since 2019 and it was four tournaments like that's the equivalent of not getting Alabama into a game better than the Citrus Bowl for looking at the Kentucky starting lineup in that game. Tai Tai Washington Key on Brooks Oscar. I don't know how to say that name to Cheb way or something Oscar Sheeway Sheeway severe Wheeler and Kellan Grady or any of them in the NBA? There's one of those in the NBA right now. So like also to they lost the St. Peters, but that also like wasn't what made right.

Tucky great. And that was when that was when Calipari was kind of changing his having to change his philosophy a little bit because the one and done thing was becoming less effective because teams were like she way was a good example of an older guy because they got him from West Virginia and he wanted to play in a couple of years at Kentucky and was you know college player of the year candidate going into his last year. Like that was Calipari trying to change things. There's no Carl Anthony Towns or,

No, no, there's no Anthony Davis walking. Anthony Davis walking through the door. So like, I think too, like I wonder too, like coach Cal's success at Kentucky translates more to like what Nick Saban was doing in the sense of, we just got all the best players and like anybody could coach these guys to this. Well, and that's another problem. That was another big criticism of Cal is it did seem like his philosophy was anybody could do like the schematically anybody could probably do that. And he was not great at figuring out who his best five were or who the best combo of players were

substitution patterns that sort of stuff. So yeah, it blows my mind by the way. Yeah, but that that was those were their biggest complaints at the end and and those complaints still coming home to roost at Arkansas right now. Alright, one more question. This is the one Vance asked. It's the end of the show yesterday. How soon will Bill Belichick start complaining about the leniency of lineman downfield on Pat's plays? Which made me laugh because it is very specific and I can just imagine because in the NFL, linemen are only allowed to be one yard past the line of scrimmage before the ball is thrown.

In college football, it's three, but let's be perfectly honest, a lot of times they're like five or six yards downfield, nobody calls it. Yeah, I mean, I do think that they should be precise with the rule. Like they should. I think there's so much money, like they can have somebody standing three yards past the line of scrimmage, looking down the field, and if they see number 65, cross it, drop a flag. When you and I were in Mobile this week, I don't know if people know this about how we got there, but I drove from Dallas,

because flights from Dallas to Mobile were scarce, and I didn't want to have a layover in Buffalo. And I used Buffalo, but I was driving by myself through the night, because I didn't even leave Dallas till Sunday at like four. And I was watching the Bills game in the car, and I bet four figures on the Bills money line. Okay, like I went, and it wasn't low four figures.

Well, the first digit was low, I'm not rich, but it blows my mind in 2024, how we are eye testing the Josh Allen spot on fourth and inches. Like, and like, I, and I know I'm like taking this on the rail. You want the chip in the ball. Yeah, I got you. I don't like, is there a way that we can have a laser in the sticks that goes laser, laser beam in the stick? But like, do we have the technology to put a microchip in the ball and a laser at the end of the sticks

so that the 10 yards is like, are we, we put people on the moon? You know what I mean? I think. I don't know. Do we, I don't know. We like, there's gotta be a salute because like he got the first down

and I'm not just saying it because I like was crying in the car, but like he got the first down. So, and it's like, they lost. I knew something was, was a miss and people were going to complain about this likely forever. At the end of that play, as I'm watching the headlines men and the line judge run toward the center of the field. And one is well across the first down marker. And the other is well behind it. And I'm like, Oh, they're going to meet in the middle here and it's going to make someone very unhappy. But like the thing,

the thing that is crazy is is that like they got the first down on third and they marked it short and like how could you possibly on the field call whether he got it? Like there was no you can't now. Here's the thing they ran their version of the tush push which is a ran their version of the tush push, which is a very bad version of the tush push because nobody actually pushes Josh Allen. He goes over the same spot every time. Like Chris Jones knew like Chris Jones knew exactly what they were doing every time because he was jacking up the right guard, pushing him into the center, knocking them

that way so that Josh Allen would get stuck. And by the way, guys, the stud Chris Jones. Oh yeah, but a lot of this is on Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator for the Bills. When that play didn't work twice in a row, maybe don't run it again. Maybe just hand the ball to James Cook, who in the second half is averaging like seven yards of carry.

Well, why don't you just run the Philly one? I feel like the Philly one never gets stopped. But the Philly one is, the Philly one got stopped more because Jason Kelsey's gone. But the Philly one, Jalen Hurts has a lot to do with it. As good of an athlete as Josh Allen is,

I don't think he squats 750 pounds like Jalen Hurts does. I don't know. And the other pounds like Jalen hurts does. I don't know. And the other thing is Jalen hurts Philly runs it correctly in that they actually shove Jalen hurts. Like there's nobody behind Josh Allen shoving him. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I just think it's strange that we can't come up with a way where the there's like a GPS or something that like, okay, so Bill Belichick will be stumping for this probably

because I bet he does. I agree with Vance that he's going to get incredibly frustrated about this. He's going, what are we doing here? It is going to be, why isn't there a person standing three yards from the line of scrimmage looking for 50, 60, and 70 numbers crossing it? I'm with you on that, Vance. I am more.

What rule do you think is going to drive him the most sane? Like that's a very that one rule but that that will be it. That one will because it is it is called very tightly in the NFL and and because you teach your defense based on the fact that those guys can't do that. So once they go past that point. Right, you teach your safeties. If you see a 60 number downfield, trigger and go tackle the ball carrier because he's not throwing it.

He's not throwing it, right. Which is what drove everybody crazy about that Gus Malzahn pop pass. I wonder what. Because they would run it. Yeah, go ahead. They would run that and there would be linemen like five yards downfield, but they'd only call it half the time. It's worth it because you may score a touchdown. I wonder what off the field rule will drive him most crazy.

Ooh, that's a good question too. Because there's a lot of stupid things. Like, I don't- cream cheese isn't banned anymore so I don't think it'll be that one. I can't just pick up the phone and call the guy when I want like I got right oh I know I can't pick up the phone. Spring evaluation period this is the Nick Saban rule this drove Nick Saban crazy so basically Senator Tommy Tuberville and some other coaches got really mad because Nick Saban would outwork them in the spring. And so they banned head coaches from being on the road in the spring.

So when Bill Belichick has to sit at his desk and his assistants are like, well, I saw this great safety in Florida and another assistant's like, well, I saw this great safety in Florida and another assistance like, well, I saw this great safety in Ohio. It was like, wow, I'd love to be able to get on a plane, see that guy with my own eyes, but I can't. That's going to work. Yeah, I'm very curious to see like what his involvement in the actual discourse of the sport are. Well, I'm also curious about Bill Belichick in general. Like one thing that has surprised me is he's not gotten the pop that Deon

Sanders got when he went to Colorado. And I thought this is Bill freaking Belichick coaching in college football at any major brand. Like North Carolina is a big brand. I thought we would be a lot more interested in this, but I see the numbers on the columns and the videos and the like people are not nearly as interested in Bill Belichick as they were in Dion. Yeah. Well, I think that like if we theorize as to why, it's probably just cause he's not a person like Dion is a mega personality and like he

was also people's favorite player. Like being somebody's favorite player, I think gives you a lot more of a connection than being someone's favorite coach. Here's the other thing about Deon too. Deon didn't just take the job. Deon said a lot of shit, like all the time. Like he would make headlines,

not just because he was Deon Sanders, but he would say things that would threaten or, at least, I don't know't threaten is the right word, but would threaten to change the paradigm of the sport. Like that, he was very outspoken about a lot of different things. He did the media tours. You know how Deion is, he's like the most charismatic dude in coaching. So I think that it's like his star. He's one of those charismatic human

beings on the planet. On earth. But like he's not just famous, he also did things to feed into that by acting a certain way, which is a big deal. But Bill Belichick, the other part that I find interesting about him is I was talking to somebody who has covered that it was the one thing I like about the senior bowl is I get a chance to trade notes with the people who cover the NFL. And it was really interesting to hear people who dealt a lot with the Belichick group over the years, and because he's bringing a lot of his guys, and obviously, you know, Josh McDaniels and those people who coached with him for a long time, like, I think they probably helped him make this decision and probably, you know, we're studying along with him. I feel like this was a big off season project.

Like he was doing a podcast with Matt, Patricia and Michael Lombardi. Michael Lombardi is his GM at North Carolina. Like, I feel like this like they did a big project where they studied college football before he really committed to being into it. And one person told me that they think that the coaching is so bad in college football

that they will just be able to coach these guys up and teach them better. And they'll have a personnel department that'll handle the recruiting, like, cause you don't really need a bag man anymore. You just need, you know, to pay. But I, if that is true, and I don't know if that's true, that's again, that's one person telling you.

They're dead. I think they're dead too. And if that's true, you cannot be that arrogant. You can't. There are great teachers of the sport in college football who also happen to be good recruiters. Like this is, I go back to the, when Brian Harson goes to Auburn and he's like,

we're going to develop these guys. I'm like, bro, Kirby Smart and Nick Saban are as good or better developers than you and they're starting with better players. Like you cannot think that way. Well, here's the thing. How much of a coaching advantage do you have to have if the other team has a five-star corner

and you have a three-star receiver? Like, how much of a coaching advantage do you have to have to neutralize that? More of a coaching advantage than can possibly exist. Because it's not like they have bad coaches. You would have to beat, you would have that kid that would have to come out raw raw and you'd have to, without any coaching and then you,

Andy, JD goes live in five minutes. I would love to talk to you for another hour and a half. I just wanted to let you know. It's Friday, he doesn't have a show on Friday. Oh, okay, so we can go until 10.30, four, how about 11? We haven't talked once about what we need out of the garbage yet. So, I mean, I feel like the show's incomplete.

It's flowed. I thought this was a great show. I enjoyed it. I did too. See, the arguing part is good. And I will, let's talk, because I was kind of joking about it toward the end of that Michigan segment.

Ari and I don't argue about stuff unless we actually feel that way. Like it is not like one of the TV shows where before the show you meet up and like you take this side, you take this side. I don't find that to be very interesting as a host and I sure as hell don't find it interesting is when I'm the viewer or I'm the listener. So I hope you understand like when we are going back and forth on that Michigan thing, we actually feel that way. And that's why you get a fairly authentic experience there.

Yeah, we don't plan to argue. So when we do argue, it might go a little bit longer because we're not really used to it. We don't do it that often. Well, we started to argue on the phone and we're both like, wait, wait, wait, wait. We fucking did this on the show. I wanted to let you know though, that like when we do argue, I wanna reach through the screen and strangle you. Cause I can't imagine how you feel the way that you do. I know and that's the best part. Now, the good thing is it's not, we're not one of those TV shows.

And one of us is not Skip Bayless and one of us is not Shannon Sharp. Because I always felt like that could end into murder. Because Shannon Sharp is a monster. Like he's an NFL Hall of Famer. They manufacture disagreement like they are super fricking rich. So I don't know. Maybe we should start, but we're just, I know. Listen, we're leaving a lot of money on the table, not manufacturing stuff,

trying our best to be as authentic as possible. And I think that the whole point of the show is and I, and I actually think that like as point of the show is and I and I actually think that like as boring or not boring as a Intense as that topic was like I mean if you've been paying attention to the chat people been arguing about that topic in the chat For the last half hour of the show and we haven't even talked well And the reason I wanted to the reason I wanted to do it on the show Ari is people argue about that in the chat Every day even regardless of what we're actually talking about The reason I wanted to do it on the show are is people argue about that in the chat every day,

regardless of what we're actually talking about. Yeah, and I'm gonna write about this. So I've got to go pick up my car that had a loose nut somewhere. And I'm going to take my computer to the dealership as they finish the service. They had a loose Buckeye nut in there somewhere. They had a loose Buckeye nut in there somewhere. I told, I drove my personal car to Mobile from Dallas and it was an eight hour drive so it was a pretty long drive. And I told Andy like this Jeep, I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee and I was afraid to buy it guys because I've only ever driven like foreign cars my whole life. And when I say foreign, I mean like Japanese. Don't get it. I'm not. You're talking about the Toyotas and the Hondas

that run forever. I got you. Yeah, my first car was this. And that was an American made car. And I think that one was actually pretty good. But my understanding is when you buy an American made car that like you just need to accept that it's gonna start falling apart at 60,000 miles.

And like my car had 59,000 miles on it when I drove it there and I said to Andy on the way to dinner when I drove him in the Jeep to dinner this car has been really great. Wait, why why but why were you driving me? We were driving. Yeah, I drove my own truck to mobile while I was driving The temperature gauge went from a bar to numbers, which means you're overheating. And so I had to take my truck to the deal. Andy's American made truck was in the shop and I was like this.

This car, you know, say what you want about it. I mean, this car has been great to me. And then the second I get to Shreveport on the way home, by the way, stayed at Valley's game a little bit and went to sleep. Yeah, those hotel rooms are kind of musky, but like I kind of like the vibe of it. And then I started hearing the clicking. Oh, boy, it sucks. Here we go. So I took it to the Jeep dealership yesterday and they told me that it was a minor, some engine block screw or something was coming loose and they just tightened it and the stuff would go away

and it's $100 to fix it or something. I was like, oh, thank God. But I was collecting my extended warranty paperwork. I was like, oh, I'm not paying for this. And my hope is that the car could, because it's been paid off for a few years. I'm hoping that it can last me for a few more as my daughter throws crackers and goldfish

all over the backseat. And then when she grows up to enough to not make a discount, like what, how a, like what was the age of your kids when they stopped crashing your car or do they still still waiting? They're 15 and 13 and I'm still waiting. The 15 year old is going to have his own vehicle soon and he better not be trash in that one. I do wonder if he'll respect others vehicles more when he has one of his own I'm hoping that's the case 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee is a good car for him, but I think you're going for runner

That's the foreign no, we we've changed. We think he's I think he may be getting an F 150. That's electric Because they last forever Yeah Because they last forever. Yeah. I have to say, I had to visit the shop with mine, but, but it was a very simple fix and I'm good to go now. I started thinking, I was stuck. I started thinking like, okay, well, if this is the beginning of the end for me, because like the Grand Cherokee, not a sink. I don't even want to say it. It's in the shower. You're just just jin. I don't even wanna say it. It's in the shop. This is the first problem I've had.

You're just jinxing it. Don't do it. But I have an extended warranty that's five years to a hundred thousand miles. So for me, it's like I have 40,000 miles still to work with. But then I was like thinking, well, maybe I should trade this thing in

just to get out ahead of it. The car has been paid off for a year and a half. Ferris, the Michigan fan. F-150s are made in Dearborn, Michigan. Good choice. Oh, I know. There for a year and a half. Ferris, the Michigan fan, F-150s are made in Dearborn, Michigan, good choice. Oh, I know, there is a sticker on my windshield. This truck was born in Dearborn. Yeah, like Fords are actually,

I don't wanna offend people, but like some of the lower end Fords aren't made well, but the trucks are made better. Is that the way, like the trucks? Now, listen, when one of those companies decides to advertise with us, we will say that that truck is the greatest truck in the history of the world. And they're all and those are awesome. And the others suck.

But I will tell you right now, because the competition is so fierce. Among American pickup truck makers, so whether it's Ram, whether it's Ford, whether it's Chevy slash GMC, they're all really good. They're all really awesome. Yeah. Andy has an F-150 Raptor. I think it's really, really cool. And it like feels like you're powerful

when you're driving it. But I actually started having the thought of like, well, what would my next car be? And I started like looking at car max and just kind of trying to get a, then I was listening to a podcast And I started looking at CarMax and just trying to get a... Then I was listening to a podcast about how EVs depreciate very fast. And I was like, oh shit, maybe I can get a really cool...

I thought an EV would be fun. And then the guy called and said my Jeep was fine. So we'll table that discussion. We move on. We'll table that discussion for... Before we go, one more thing before we go. Ryan, Andy, that story Ari said yesterday was wild. He was a terrible human being. It sounds like he's improved. This is the pizza story. This is the Ari's drunk takes the about to be first bite

taken piece of pizza out of somebody's mouth, takes a bite of it and throws it in the trash. Ari, I am glad you've evolved as a human being. I'm very glad. Yeah, that was a, it was just a scumbag move. There's no question about it. Um, and I actually feel like I'm here's the thing about human psychology. Do you think that everybody, like, so, we're at the end, we're in crab ass time. So, can we just take five more minutes? I've actually thought about this. So, there are good human beings

and there are shit human beings, right? Like, there are just bad people out there. Sure. Do you think- And I think the good, wait, do you agree with me that the good ones far outweigh the bad? I think so. I like to think that.

Yeah. Okay. Like the thing too is that like, it's hard for me to just like, do you think that somebody who cheats on their spouse is a bad person? Like, where do you draw the line of bad person? Usually, maybe there's some circumstances,

but usually, yes. I, so with everything, I kind of want kind of want to know the whole story here. Right. So it depends on how far your bar is down on what describes somebody as good or bad. Like I think that the number of evil people is probably very minuscule, but good and bad's a little bit more subjective. But good and bad a little bit more subjective, but I do one. I just want to know though, too is Do you think that bad people? From a psychological standpoint view themselves as good people

Those are socio-sociopaths do because like I think I think I'm a good person I Think you probably are a good person now, I think, I think the Ari that stole that piece of pizza was a bad person though. I was really, really depressed at that time. Like I was like my first long-term girlfriend broken up with. It was a bad, and I was like inebriated. It was just a bad me. That's not who I am. I think that also people do make mistakes. I think that's one thing that we've talked about this on the show before.

And I've talked about like telling my kids, like when you mess up, just say I messed up, I'm sorry. And a lot of times that goes a long, long way. But my main premise though is that like, if you ask everybody, if they're a good or a bad person Like everybody says I'm a good person. So what do I like who cares what I think about myself? I'm a good father. I think this is the Michigan Ohio State conversation all over again. This is the Michigan conversation Yeah, who cares what everybody else thinks who cares what I think no I know, but I think that the other people are the judge you You shouldn't judge yourself on whether you're a good or a bad.

Oh, yeah, you. Other people are the ultimate judge. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Your opinion doesn't matter on this one. It brings you right back to the Michigan discussion because it's like who cares what Michigan fans' opinions are, the opinions of it are everyone else that looks at you. Like that's, like I can think I'm skinny, but does it matter what I think? Like it doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the clothes say and what the people say. But does it matter what I think? It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the clothes say and what the people say. Paris says if you buy everybody a slice of pizza, we're all good. I will. I'm going to go buy a pizza and hand it out to some people that need it, maybe.

That's the thing. I mean, don't hand it out. Hand it out to the drunk college kids, because that's who you stole it from. But I do. If I'm at a gas station and there, I do like a bad amount of gas station and there's a panhandler out by the gas station and they asked me for money. Like I asked them like, can I get you a food or a drink?

A lot like that, like I do that. Which is probably the right question. And then I buy them food and drinks. So I hope that I've repaid the guy I stole. Unless he's, I hope he's not homeless, but I hope that like my good deeds outweigh the bad but yeah introspective Ari Andy at the end of here. Love it. Hey, that's what Friday's all about Ari. I love you. I love you too. You've improved as a

human. You're wrong about the Michigan thing, but that's okay and we love you too and we will talk to you again on Monday.