Andy & Ari On3 - Dave Portnoy vs. Ohio State: Why won’t Barstool's CEO be in the stadium for Fox’s Big Noon Kickoff? Colorado & Michigan name QB1 | G5 over P4 Upsets?

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

In the world of college football, there is never a dull moment, especially with how close it is to the season. On Saturday, Ohio State and Texas are set to kickoff in Columbus with FOX's Big Noon Satu...rday in attendance. On Monday, news broke that Big Noon Kickoff's latest addition might not be allowed on Ohio State's campus. Dave Portnoy, Barstool's CEO, has been reportedly banned from OSU this upcoming weekend. Is this the right move? How did it get to this point? Andy & Ari dive deep into this rabbit hole. (0:00-0:51) On Today’s Episode(0:52-2:29) BetMGM(2:30-13:04) Intro: Portnoy v Ohio State(13:05-28:44) What’s ahead for Dave Portnoy?(28:45-29:20) Academy Sports & Outdoors(29:21-39:28) Fox Sports & YouTube TV Dispute(39:29-40:39) Gametime(40:40-43:59) Jackson Arnold’s new NIL deal(44:00-47:21) Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are now engaged(47:22-55:06) Colorado names Kaidon Salter as QB1(55:07-1:06:27) Bryce Underwood’s first career start for Michigan(1:06:28-1:07:33) Starbucks(1:07:34-1:09:17) G5 Over P4 in Week 1?(1:09:18-1:12:44) Mississippi State at Southern Miss(1:12:45-1:20:06) Toledo at Kentucky(1:20:07-1:24:08) Northwestern at Tulane(1:24:09-1:25:49) Conclusion: Thanks for watching! Next, there's some news involving how the fans are going to be able to watch a few marquee matchups this weekend with the carriage dispute between Fox Sports and YouTube TV. As news continues to drop heading into week one, Andy & Ari dive right into some happening topics: Jackson Arnold's new NIL deal, Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift's engagement, and Colorado naming Kaidon Salter the new starting quarterback for the Buffaloes. Later, Andy & Ari head up to Michigan to preview Bryce Underwood's first collegiate start with Michigan vs New Mexico in the Big House. To close, Andy & Ari take a look at the probable spots for a G5 team to knock off a P4 team this weekend. Games include: Mississippi State at Southern MissToledo at KentuckyNorthwestern at Tulane Our show is presented by BetMGM! See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Gameday starts at Starbucks! Join JD Pickell and Devin Hester at Starbucks on August 31st before the Miami v Notre Dame matchup to celebrate the return of the football and pumpkin season!https://www.starbucks.com/menu/featured/?%243p=a_custom_838078477923275313&~customer_placement=youtube&~campaign=fy25fallcustomcontentprograms&~creative_name=on3&_branch_match_id=1211104932562219397&utm_source=YouTube&utm_campaign=fy25fallcustomcontentprograms&utm_medium=paid%20advertising&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAAyWMyw6CMBBFv0aXgC0ENGlcGOMH%2BEhcNUMzQENfmRYNG7%2FdRrf3nHOnlEI8lGVMQP2i5lhACIXRbi6f5l5drucbe%2FTHDat5ECDVEpO3suNd1XZ12%2B4ZZ23Dd3z7UWAD6NGJYWXNAMb8XeVdQpcC%2BZHAxuz9ZiQZDCi0mYnVL2npMTNCSPqF0oFF4V2%2BJRyQSLtR9uTfEUmcJsr9F5TVt5y5AAAA Thank you to Gametime for sponsoring today's episode! Planning your college football travel for this season? Gametime has tickets to every game. (And every concert and comedy show.) Download the Gametime App and enter code: STAPLES for $20 off your first purchase, terms apply. Last Minute Tickets, Lowest Prices, Guaranteed. Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/Jib3c5Xig20 Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email advertise@on3.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's episode of Andy and Ari on three, we talk about the simmering dispute between Ohio State and Barstool founder, Dave Portnoy, who is a cast member of Fox's Big Noon kickoff. Who banned? Who did anyone ban anybody? Who really knows? We'll get to the bottom of it, probably or not. Also, will you be able to watch that if you have YouTube TV? We'll talk about a potential carriage dispute. Plus, speaking of Dave Portnoy, who helped Bryce Underwood get to Michigan, Bryce Underwood has been officially named the starter at Michigan. True freshman quarterback starting at Michigan, it was going to happen, but still kind of a big deal. Also, which group of five teams can beat Power 4 teams in week one? We'll talk about it. We've teamed up with BetMGM this season.
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Starting point is 00:02:16 rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in seven days in partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. Don't forget, if you haven't signed up for bed at MGM yet, use the bonus code CFB and get your $1,500 first bet offer today. Welcome to Andy and Ari on 3, presented by BetMGM, and oh my goodness, Ari. We already have the dumbest controversy of week one, and it's only Tuesday. I am so cooked, dude.
Starting point is 00:02:48 I'm going to make people mad today. I just, do you ever get that feeling when you go into a show, and you know, it's going to be a long day on social media? when it's over with. I've got some takes on this. And I'm fired up because you know one of the things that I love talking about the most is the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry. It's the most interesting thing every year.
Starting point is 00:03:07 And it just keeps on giving and giving and giving. So I can't wait to get into that. The thing is Ohio State plays Texas this week. And yet we're still talking about it because, all right, let's get into it. On Monday night front office sports reports, well, let's back it up further. Monday afternoon on his show in Columbus, former Buckeyes linebacker, Bobby Carpenter. who works with Austin Ward of Letterman Row. They talk about the possibility that Dave Portnoy,
Starting point is 00:03:33 who's the founder of Barstool Sports, also an intentionally, I think he would agree that he's intentionally obnoxious, Michigan alum and donor, that he's not allowed in Ohio State Stadium, despite the fact that he's a cast member on Big Noon Kickoff, That is the show with Urban Meyer and Rob Stone and Mark Ingram and Brady Quinn and Matt Liner and Mark. And so that comes out.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Later Monday night, front office sports reports that Dave Portnoy has indeed been banned by Ohio State. On Tuesday morning, Ohio State Athletic Director Ross Bjork says to Ross Dillinger of Yahoo, oh, we didn't ban him. Fox decided he wouldn't be in the stadium. And then later, the Big Ten releases a statement to Ross Delger saying, oh, no, no, he's not going to be in any stadiums, which I'm sure is what Fox had in mind when they hired him for the show. Yeah, why don't we just unpack this?
Starting point is 00:04:37 Because it's a he said, she said situation. And in the background of this, by the way, what is happening on college game day, which is also emanating from Texas, Ohio State this week? What very special thing is happening on their competition? Lee Corso is donning headgear for the final time? Yes, it is Lee Corso's last show. So there's a lot to unpack because it is a he said, he said, for sure.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Somebody's not telling the truth, either Ohio State Band-Aid, Portnoy, as he claims, or Fox decided to do it themselves as Ohio State claims. You can Occam razor that yourself, and I'm sure Ari's about to. But you've also got that it is in Fox's best interest for us to be talking about this a lot right now because they were going to get slaughtered in the ratings by Corsos' last show. They're probably still going to get slaughtered in the ratings by Corsos last show. But at least now there's some intrigue. Yeah, I mean, I think that there would have been some intrigue in general because, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:45 if you're going to hire Dave Portnoy as the answer to Pat McAfee, then the reason for that is when he walks in and around stadiums and he acts the way that he does, that's supposed to drive interest. That's
Starting point is 00:06:03 supposed to drive. I mean, the trash talking is who he is. So, like, I don't understand you know, the idea that he would not go into the stadiums at all this year. That's kind of a surprising move on my, like, I don't understand why that would be the case. But if I, I personally was interested in watching Big Noon to see Urban Meyer and
Starting point is 00:06:26 Dave Portnoy's dynamic. Would Urban Meyer punch him live on the air? That was my question. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know that Urban Meyer, listen, like Urban Meyer, getting Urban Meyer to remember you is not an easy thing. You know, and I think that I wonder if he even had an opinion about Dave Portnoy before he got hired enough to even be mad about it. I think the dynamic is fun. You've got two different people who represent two schools and a heated rivalry. Like it doesn't matter who the two people are. That's just interesting television. Not just a heated rival, the heated rivalry, the most important game that Fox teleizes all year. So like when I hear the Big Ten statement saying that he isn't going to
Starting point is 00:07:08 be in any stadium, if that's the case, I'd love to know the rationale behind that because the point I can surmise with the rationale because I don't think Ohio State's the only school that felt this way. Remember, Dave is not just a very active Michigan fan and a very loud Michigan fan. He was instrumental in helping the NIL deal that got Bryce Underwood to Michigan, the one where Larry Ellison kicked in some dough because Larry Ellison's wife is a rabid Michigan fan. So what is keeping him out of the stadium do to protect you in that? Nothing, nothing, but it's the thing I don't understand. Mad. You're just mad.
Starting point is 00:07:54 So let's go back to the Ohio State aspect of this, because this is how I actually feel. If we go back six months or however many months it's been since they played, let's go back a year even to the beginning of last season when we were doing season breakdowns. you know, I floated the idea to you, you know, with my familiarity with the rivalry and how much, you know, psychology plays a factor in this, that it would not be the most shocking thing in the history of the world of Michigan were in a game with Ohio State because they handled it poorly mentally. And I echoed that. And you were right and I was very wrong. But, you know, and it could have gone the other way.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Like if I was wrong, Ohio State could have won by a lot and I would have looked stupid. It happens all the time. Being right and wrong isn't what's important here. But my hypothesis is being confirmed right now because, you know, it is unbelievably obvious, even coming off of a national championship, how in Ohio State's head, Michigan is. It's like we're in competition. It is a rivalry. There were flags planted. There were fights had, all these things.
Starting point is 00:09:00 But when you win and lose a game, which is part of the reason why we love the sport to begin with, part of being a sports fan is dealing with the consequences of those things. which is, you know, hearing the trash talk and engaging in the, in the fights and the arguments and the, you know, the pandering and all the things that happen. And like, what makes college football great to begin with is that Dave Portnoy can go into Ohio Stadium wear a Michigan hat and flip the bird to everybody because that's what makes competition fun. So, like, I would love to be if Ohio State did indeed, and my guess would be that they did ban Dave Portnoy and everything else is not the truth. It's not in Fox's best interest to refute Ohio State on this. So we're never going to get a definitive answer on that. We don't know definitively what happened. If I had to guess, my best guess would be that Ohio State did ban him.
Starting point is 00:09:52 I would have loved to be in the room with whoever came up with that idea and hear the rationale for that idea because you would have raised your hand and been like, do you want to know how this is going to go down if that happens? Yeah, you know those like seven minutes. monologue videos that Dave Portnoy does every time he talks about Ohio State that gets a million views and attention. Yeah, you're going to get one of those. You know, like, and of course that's what happened and we'll show clips on the two of those. But like my actual opinion, and this is what I think might fire people up is that Ohio State can't get the rivalry back until they stop getting
Starting point is 00:10:33 mentally owned by Michigan at every turn. Like the fact that a Michigan person, would not be permitted into the stadium for a game that isn't even being played against Michigan for whatever reason is such a mental gymnastics event that it's like, guys, how much real estate does Michigan own in your head? And like, I wonder if the reason why Ohio State can't win the game right now is because they can't get past whatever mental blockage Michigan has planted in there. And I find this to be a symptom of that. And I don't know who made the final call. obviously Ryan Day being the head coach is going to get a lot of pot shots for this.
Starting point is 00:11:13 This could be something that has nothing to do with him. I don't know. But man, you got to let it go. You got to pay the consequences for losing. Embrace it, use it as motivation, and then try to kick their ass in November. Like, that's sports. Like, I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:11:27 What's the, like, what is the upside if you're pitching this idea? Like, why are you pitching it? What is the good? But what is the good that you think is going to? Somebody thought there was upside. He won't say mean things about us in our stadium. instead he'll say mean things about us 100 feet outside our stadium
Starting point is 00:11:43 and on the internet that's it those are the positives but like is there a safety issue that people are like is he are they afraid he's going to safety I guess I don't know because the only person whose safety would be at risk would be his right if he starts
Starting point is 00:11:57 popping off at the wrong person but he's going to be around security like I don't know man I just like sometimes in life and I tell you this all the time I feel this every day of my life I was actually getting Chinese food with my dad in Vegas over the weekend and he said that he feels like anger in his body every time he goes and stands in a line somewhere and I'm like, Dad, I love you. That's where it came from. But like I feel like it's, am I the only one seeing this shit?
Starting point is 00:12:25 Because it's like, no, everybody else sees it, except for the Ohio State and the Michigan fans who have their own points of view about it. Because when Ross Bjork's statement came out and the Big Ten statement came out, everybody came after. after me on Twitter. See, you guys, you guys had it all wrong. He wasn't banned. I'm like, it's semantics. And do you think Fox, you think Fox and the Big Ten decided that two months ago, or do you think they decided that last night this morning? You are certainly more seasoned than I am when it comes to understanding television dynamics, like the column that you wrote on on three that you guys should all read on Tuesday about the wrestling thing was awesome. I read it. I enjoyed it. But if the Big Ten statement is true
Starting point is 00:13:08 and that Portnoy will not be in any stadiums this year, why do you think that's true? Why is hired? Because it's like I'm having a hard time. You can't write a column and I plan to do it when we're done saying Ohio state's mental impact when thinking about Michigan is negative and they can't win the game because they own too much real estate in Ohio State's head unless we know for sure or we feel comfortable
Starting point is 00:13:35 saying that Ohio State was the impetus for this. But like if Ohio State wasn't, that would be a miss, that would be, that would be a bad column. So like, why is he not in any of the other stadiums either? Like, I think we have to like unpack that first. Because, because now you've got to do it this way. And remember, they're not the only school who feels this way. But I guarantee you when they're in a big 12 stadium, because Big Noon will go to Big 12 games too. Bray York would love to have him in the stadium. Well, let me ask you this, though, if Desmond Howard took 10% of his check and donated it to Michigan's NIL fund, would he be banned from stadiums?
Starting point is 00:14:15 Nope. Because we can make it about, oh, we helped them get Bryce Underwood. Desmond Howard also doesn't call Ryan Day names. And I think that's, that, there is a line there. And even McAfee doesn't cross that line because McAfee has to interview the guys on his show. He was to bring all the coaches on his show. So he doesn't, he doesn't cross that line either. But Dave is a fan.
Starting point is 00:14:39 And he does cross that line. Now, what makes that appealing to fans is that he sounds like them and nobody else on TV does. So that's what Fox is going for here. Yeah. Okay. Ross Bjork said, Ross Bjork said this was a Fox decision. Dave Portnoy put out a video on Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:14:59 He refutes that. Rivalry. This is petty. when one team beats your face in for an entire decade, when your arch rival is stomping on your neck and you can't breathe, you do crazy things. They ban me from coming to this day. They ban our show from being on campus.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And I feel bad. Fox is in the middle of it. I don't want to, like, I don't want to create any issue, but then I look in the mirror, it's like, Dave, 20 years you've been doing Barstville. You just tell it how it is. And if this Ross Bjorker guy's going to be, oh, we didn't ban them, even though Bobby Coppenter
Starting point is 00:15:35 literally is like, yeah, no, they banned them. And we already had all our travel and all our production booked for this trip, and then suddenly it's canceled. Now, what he's talking about there is part of the deal with the Fox Portnoy thing is they have a bigger deal with Barstool, where Barstall is going to create a show
Starting point is 00:15:54 that's going to be on FS1 in the mornings, but also they're going to bring their college football show with our guy Big Cat and Casey Smith. I think T. Bob's going to be on that show, show now on Brandon Walker. So they were going to bring that show on the road wherever Big Noon was. And they booked it all out and then we're told, no, you're not coming. You're not allowed on our campus. Which is the same thing to me. I mean, now, that's not what Ross New York talked to Ross Dillinger about. That was not the issue he was discussing. He was
Starting point is 00:16:27 discussing whether Dave Portnoy was allowed in the stadium. So, I mean, any, Semantics can take you a long way in this deal, and you can believe whatever you want. We're talking about the game of football. And like, I understand, you know, and we're in a position too where we are critical of coaches and we talk about coaches both positively and negatively at times. There is a respect factor.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Like, you would never hear me call somebody a name, right? You would never call somebody a name. So I understand from like a media relations standpoint, like if Ryan Day didn't want to say, sit down with with Dave Portnoy for an interview like I think that that would be different it's like I don't respect that person I don't want to do it is much different but you're never going to get the coach on the desk either if he's there so there's that there's that piece of it too which they probably didn't think through when they hired him yeah um because you never know what he's going to say to the coach you know on and like a coach has to maintain professionalism too because if Dave Portnoy and Ryan day are sitting down to together and she's calling him crying Ryan and all these different things that he always likes to say like Ryan Day isn't in a position to tell him to go shove it up his ass right like he has to be right he has to maintain his professional I would
Starting point is 00:17:45 be perfectly fine if Ryan Day wanted to respond in kind like that wouldn't bother me a bit but yes it would probably bother something here's the thing about Ryan Day that people don't know and I've seen it okay he is a very mild-mannered softer temperament person like when you talk to him compared to your average psychotic college football coach yeah he's a normal dude who would be pretty high on the go get dinner with him rankings if you're not talking about football like he's a good guy but like i think people have thought as a result of the michigan game and his temperament as a human being that he isn't very competitive and i'll tell you right now i've seen him behind closed doors talking and it's a lot
Starting point is 00:18:27 different than when you see it the microphone and like if you don't think that ryan day is bothered or annoyed by this human being here and has his own opinions about Dave Portnoy, you're wrong. He can't address those or express those publicly. So it's kind of like reminds me of what happened like with the Fine Bomb show when I got invited
Starting point is 00:18:45 on. I got invited on to go debate the mailman from Georgia and he was calling me names. I had for Macon. Yeah. I mean, come on. He's got a name. In my position of what I do for a living, I'm not you turn the camera off. You've heard
Starting point is 00:19:01 me speak, Andy, like, I'll tell you how I feel. I'm not in a position to match that energy and it didn't really make it for an entertaining segment for me because I'm saying facts and he's hurling insults at me. And it's like, I would, I would rather not do that because I can't hurl insults back. So, like, I understand that aspect of it. But at the same time, trash talk is the fundamental basis for what makes being a fan fun. And you might be on the winning end of that and you might be on the losing end of it. That's why we love the games. That's why we watch them.
Starting point is 00:19:37 It's the same thing. And I don't watch wrestling. I don't know anything about wrestling. But I'm assuming that the drama that happens in wrestling is based on who you root for and who wins and loses the matches. So like to to prohibit or ban a human being that's going to elicit trash talk is unbelievably soft to me. And I've gotten in trouble using the word soft before. and I've been called an Ohio State Homer, I am completely and utterly capable and willing
Starting point is 00:20:05 to say that banning a personality from your stadium is a soft in-your-head move. Is that a fair assessment to you? Or even accepting a ban. If Fox came to you and said, hey, we're not going to have Portnoy in here. Don't you worry about that. I'd be like, put him in there if you want.
Starting point is 00:20:22 Put them in there if you want. What do we care? I mean, they're going to be, from my understanding, to unveil, because I'm in the Ohio Stadium, they have the placards for the national championship. Years of the national championships. And I believe in the opener, I could be mistaken,
Starting point is 00:20:41 it's been 10 years since I've seen it. They do it at the opener of the following year at home, where they have a ceremony before the game starts, and it's covered by a towel or whatever, and then they pull the thing down and you display this year. you won the next i would like portnoy to be standing under that ceremony if i were a competitor if i were playing i were gm ohio state i would put their freaking stage right underneath the band underneath the sign and unveil that thing right over his head like if you like that that to me
Starting point is 00:21:10 is like what you want give it back to him yeah like don't exactly and in except the trash talk talk trash back and play again like that's well and that's that's what i wrote in the wrestling my column about how this is pro wrestling even if the people in charge don't realize it. Urban Meyer hitting him in the head with the national championship trope. Exactly. It would be hilarious. I don't want to, I read your column and I don't want to like take
Starting point is 00:21:37 pieces from it and repurpose it. But like the lead to my story is if I were in charge of Ohio State football, if I were the athletic director, I would put Dave Portnoy in the best vantage point possible. And I know that there's some limitations in where you can put the stage. They usually
Starting point is 00:21:53 do it in the north end of the stadium, which is where those signs are. I would put it on the northeast side of the stadium right underneath that sign and I would unveil it over his freaking head. That's amazing. I mean, like that's what a competitor does, right? Andy, do you do you buy your right? Rub his face in the fact that you are the defending national champions and they are not anymore because he was rubbing everybody's face last year in Michigan being the defending national champions. And if you want to act like you're, if you're an Ohio state fan and you want to act like Michigan's another game now and national
Starting point is 00:22:25 championships are more important than Michigan, which I do believe national championships are more important than your rival. If you want to, if you want to do that, then boast your national title at the rival. But do you buy into the notion, because I might write this and I want your, you know, you're like my editor in, you're my editor in spirit when we're talking about it, that the overall actions of the university in banning a personality who happens to be a Michigan fan is a symptom of how much Michigan's in their head? Do you think those two things correlate? Yes, and a good example of this is the rivalry, quote, unquote,
Starting point is 00:23:01 between college game day and big noon kickoff. So when Dave Portnard got hired by Fox, Barrett Sports Media was doing an interview with Desmond Howard, who of course is one of the stars of College Game Day. And Desmond Howard basically goes, oh, I like those guys, and they try. It's cute that they try. But our real competition is the NBA on T&T, you know, Shaq and Charles Barkley and
Starting point is 00:23:26 Ernie Johnson and Kenny Smith for the sports Emmy. He's like, I'm sure they do a good job over there at Fox. It is the ultimate disrespect. Like it is, as I put in the column, that's that madman scene where Don Draper leaves the elevator by going, I don't think of you at all. Like, if nobody, if somebody's in your head, you think about them all the time. if you're unbothered, if you don't think of them at all, which Ohio State should be in the position of I don't think of any of you at all.
Starting point is 00:23:58 We're so far above you that we don't think of any of you. Yeah. I don't think of you at all walking off the elevator was like one of the best mic drop things I've ever seen. And like there is a balance in rivalries though. Because I think what made Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer charming in the rivalry was that they thought about them enough in the right ways to make them prepared for it right they were not scared of it they were intimidated by they're just like yeah we're going to be they had a 15 or 10 minute period in every practice called the michigan like they thought about them a lot and i think part of the
Starting point is 00:24:34 the if you went back in time during a time in which we were analyzing this rivalry before they won four in a row there was a certain level of you know when rich rod was there and you know Brady Hoke was there, that there was a certain level of understanding that Michigan didn't take it as seriously as Ohio State, which is part of the reason why Ohio State ran away with the rivalry at that point. So like the, I don't think of you at all, I think would also be wrong. I think you need to think about them with hatred. Like, I think I wouldn't want Nick Saban didn't think about anybody at all. And it worked for him. So I think it just depends. Like Urban Meyer was one of the, I look at it as Urban Meyer is one of the few coaches who did
Starting point is 00:25:12 over-emphasize rivalries and it worked. It actually rarely works if you do. If you go back into Ohio State's history, John Cooper took the we don't think about them at all. It's just another game approach, and he got his ass kicked. And then Jim Tressel came in. But clearly he did think about them because he got his ass kicked by them and by nobody else. Like, Nick Saban didn't get his ass kicked regularly by anybody. And his whole thing was nameless,
Starting point is 00:25:36 faceless opponent. And we can, this is a fun debate. I like it. Like Jim Tressel's number one moment as a human being was when he talked about Michigan in his opening speech at that basketball game. Like in Ohio Stadium, they care how much you think about Michigan. Like if you, if Ryan Day were to come out and say, that's just another game.
Starting point is 00:25:55 We're approaching it week by week. He would get absolutely crucified. So like there is a balance and I don't know like what it would be. But, I mean, Ohio State also can't say I'm not thinking about you at all because This is also why Urban Meyer was the perfect coach for Ohio State when you look back on it. Because he was like that at Utah. Like they had the BYU logos and the urinals. He was like that at Florida.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Like he did stuff in camp Like he had a Tennessee day in camp And a Florida State day in camp And a Georgia day in camp Didn't I don't know if I'm remembering this But didn't Rich Rod say it was just another game In his opening press conference Somebody asked him
Starting point is 00:26:31 I don't remember that I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth I don't remember that So Hey guys take notes It's the first time Andy doesn't remember something But it's uh You know I don't know
Starting point is 00:26:41 It's an interesting debate But I also think too that like Not thinking about them at all Is impossible but thinking about them this much in the wrong way is the worst of it. Like, if you don't think about it all, somebody give you a complex. That's really all there is to it.
Starting point is 00:26:55 And now, Dave Portnoye has built an entire business on stuff like this and turning this sort of thing into content, which he's already done today, which is going to continue doing. So in a way, this is what Fox hired him for. They're getting that. Now, will it make you watch it? when you think about your enemy or your quote unquote enemy or the person you're banning
Starting point is 00:27:22 before you institute a policy of doing something you have to ask yourself what would my enemy want and this is what he would want what he would want i i think that you're yeah show it on our stallion's tweet please river that made me the best funniest thing that came out of this is is port in my tweeted a picture of himself and a fake mustache. I think that's fake. Maybe that's real. And then Connor Stallion's replies below it, you need tickets? You need tickets? So just why I understand, because I'm not a stoolie. I don't like follow. I got him not a history, like a historian of remember. Is that what he wore to get into the into the Super Bowl? Like when he
Starting point is 00:28:06 wasn't allowed in. I believe so. Because yes, Roger Goodell and company banned the whole barstool crew from the Super Bowl because they're all a bunch Patriots fans. They were heavily incensed. by the deflate gate thing. They protested it. A couple of them got arrested at NFL headquarters. So, I mean, this is their style. Like, Ohio stays playing right into his hands here. And whether that helps Fox is another question.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Because, again, Lee Corso is doing his last head year. I don't know that anyone is going to watch that anyway. I might flip over to it now. We'll see. But I also might not be able to, Ari. And we'll talk about that in a second, But first, I want to tell you about Academy Sports and Outdoors. Huggle up football fans.
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Starting point is 00:29:24 Fox is in a carriage dispute with YouTube TV. And we see this every once in a while. Sometimes we see it with the Disney Network. Sometimes we see it with NBC. Sometimes we see it with Paramount. We're now seeing it between Fox and YouTube. So this would affect the Fox Broadcast channel. This would affect the Big Ten network for our purposes.
Starting point is 00:29:43 here in the sports world, it would affect Fox News, it would affect those channels. And basically what YouTube TV is saying is Fox is not wanting to have a meaningful dialogue. Fox is saying YouTube TV is undercutting us and is not offering a fair price for our products. And they're going to yell about this to each other until enough people freak out and one side gives in, which usually happens when people start missing football games. wins the last time one of these carers disputes actually went through the event
Starting point is 00:30:19 Sling and ESPN I can tell you that right now because we were doing our old show Sling was an advertiser their entire the entire pitch was you get all of college football like I had to read an ad saying you get all of college football
Starting point is 00:30:31 and then they missed the weekend and it was the first weekend of the season if I remember correctly wasn't it I think it might have been the second or third But, yeah, it was early in the season. And, yeah, they missed a weekend. Now, eventually they got it back on because I think they got it back on before Monday Night Football got missed, before the first ESPN Monday Night Football game for the NFL got missed.
Starting point is 00:30:56 But the YouTube TV always seems to figure it out right in time. Well, it's Google. They have a lot of money. And I also feel like, obviously, both of these entities are in their best interest to make sure that the game. are shown so because that would obviously impact the ratings dramatically from fox's standpoint and youtube would have a property that people like i like i if youtube tv doesn't have what i want to watch with sports like i cancel the service like it's that because that's the thing we couldn't do that back in the day like when you had a satellite dish in your yard or the cable company
Starting point is 00:31:30 it was just it was a massive pain in the ass to cancel anything now i'd cancel it with a click of a button, start a new service immediately, and be like, well, now I, now, now I'm a customer of yours. So that's where things are a little bit different. The other part about this in particular, obviously, I don't want to miss games on the Big Ten network either, but for the Auburn Baylor situation, for the Ohio State, Texas situation, if you have an antenna, you get it for free. It is an over-the-air network. Who do you think the, uh, percentage of people listening to our show have an antenna. Do you think it's 0% or 1%?
Starting point is 00:32:11 No, I think it's higher than you think. I think there's, it's interesting because this is one where the very olds and the very youngs come together. Producer River asked a great question. Could Ari set up an antenna? And my answer is going to be no. He would have to hire somebody. It's just a little squirt, the little thing that you twist onto the back of the TV, right?
Starting point is 00:32:31 And it's got it. Yeah, I think it'd be pretty easy. I think it'd be pretty simple. I mean, I've done that. before because I grew up in an arrow where people had those my childhood bedroom had one and I remember the way that you turned it like there was a certain like level of like where you stop for the best picture you know you had the rabbit ears for the VHF channels and then you had the little round antenna for the UHF channels so that'd be like 14 and above that might have been before my before my time
Starting point is 00:33:00 yeah that was that was before you were so that was my first TV it was a 50 inch flat screen TV that you would buy at Walmart right now, even have the jack on the back for an antenna? I think they got the jack, and they probably make antennas now that are USB. Yeah, that's true. I actually probably should look for
Starting point is 00:33:20 this weekend just in case, but well, it's not gonna, we're gonna be on an airport. We're gonna be out of town, so. My hope is, but like my entire setup is iPad to the left at the football game, four boxer on the left games on my TV and then I've got or on my laptop, and then I've got my
Starting point is 00:33:36 phone setup right here so i've got six going at the same time so yeah i mean i don't know about you but the only reason why i even have youtube tv is for sports and the bachelor right but you can get that's exactly right right so like if they don't have live sports what i'm paying 80 bucks a month for exactly because now i can buy all of the sp in one place i already have peacock for nbc i have paramount for cbs and i know that you were roasting ralph russo and a group now too that you can get remember when you were roasting ralph russo a month ago for channels surfing does anybody channel surf anymore he said he was channel surfing he landed on something and you're like who's channel surfing we have some friends we have some friends who do that like i i we were at their
Starting point is 00:34:16 house and i walked out and and he was on the couch and he was pressing the button and he landed he stopped on comedy central on an episode of the office and i'm like but why wouldn't you just pick the episode of the office you want on peacock i didn't even i don't even know if youtube tv has the mechanism where you can hit the channel up button and it changes the channel for you without you can it it does do that but i i i don't know if i've ever done it at least not on a purpose yeah uh that's the thing it's the same thing that i i have with people and i think you're probably are you a radio person in the car uh you listen to the radio do you mean terrestrial radio i'm saying like when you're in the car do you ever listen to xm or broadcast radio stations
Starting point is 00:34:58 i listened to serious xm when i was a serious x an employee because sometimes it's nice to have the playlist curated for you like sometimes it's it's fun to go to alt nation and just let them play the songs or uh or lithium the the 90s rock channel and you don't have to pick them yourself on spotify but i haven't listened to the radio in my entire life but i don't need more when my first subscription ran out i stopped i don't like the feeling of somebody else controlling what i listen to i pick the podcast i pick the e-book i pick the song i want to hear especially now that there's this invention where they have every single song ever recorded on a studio album on your pocket like like why would you ever why am i listening to a song that's somebody
Starting point is 00:35:41 else chose when i can choose what i want um and i feel that way about television too so and i'm sure most people my age feel that way um but my hope is that they'll figure this out uh you know not before this goes live so we don't have to re-record this but certainly before um certainly before thursday right like are any of the games impacted on thursday or i don't well there are games on thursday uh their their game the big game the biggest game i think that that is the widest appeal that would be affected first is baylor auburn on friday night yeah which let's be honest we need to get that figured out um one last hot take about television channels and broadcast broadcast crews yeah there's a lot of people out there
Starting point is 00:36:27 that are very opinionated on what channel they would prefer to watch a game on or which they would want. Am I the only one who just does not care at all who's calling the game or what channel it's on as long as I can watch it? Like I am so fascinated by how much people care about that thing. I don't like having to move from one app to another. That bothers me because I want all of them to be within about a click of a button or I hit the back button and then I have a window that has all the games that I could possibly
Starting point is 00:36:55 watch. So like when there's one, the random one on Peacock, that bothers me. But you would never be like, oh, God, this game. on ESPN. I wish it was on Fox. Like, I don't know. I don't care about it. And the only, and this is the dirty cigarette because I have a lot of friends who are announcers. I don't care about the announcers unless they're really bad. If they are, like, for me, there is no distinction between competent and great.
Starting point is 00:37:21 I like the great ones. Like I love when Sean McDonough gets pissy and it gets sarcastic. It's really, it's really, it's really. hard to be a color person and a play-by-play guy. And I respect the craft. The thing that has always kind of made me laugh a little bit is that the ones that are great
Starting point is 00:37:42 are the ones, or the ones that are remembered, are the ones who have distinctive voices who call moments that we remember. Like, Vern Ludquist, for instance. Like, you think about him because you know exactly what his voice sounds like. Well, also, they do something for so long
Starting point is 00:38:00 that they become soundtrack to it. it like it's strange to me still now even though as good as brad nestler was when he became the the cc on cbs one and now he's moved on and then they do big 10 games not hearing verne there felt wrong yeah now it doesn't bother me as much when it's like the faller and her street crew because we saw phallor and herb street do really good cc games before so that doesn't it doesn't feel different to your brain yeah And Fowler and Herb Street are probably going to be, like, when they hang it up one day, that'll be weird when they do because they're-
Starting point is 00:38:39 It'll be incredibly weird, just like when Keith Jackson wasn't doing it anymore. Yeah, but Keith Jackson's voice was synonymous with college football in a way that, like, his craft, not that he wasn't great at what he did, but his voice was what we miss. It's not what he said, I think. And I wonder, because Vern, like without the, like, what is the Masters without Vern like, You know, like there's certain events that you, but in terms of like B-List group crew here or there, I don't even know who's calling the games 85% of the time. Like, I don't even know who it is.
Starting point is 00:39:15 I only notice it when it's bad. Like, Potem's why had a bad outing last year, right? Terrible. Yeah, he did the Nebraska, Iowa game. It was a painful listen. Yeah. Yeah, that's, I agree with you. Anyway, but let's hope that he did this out.
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Starting point is 00:40:34 Again, create your account, redeem code Staples for $20 off. Swipe, tap, ticket, download the GameTime app today. Ari, that Baylor-A-R-Bron game, if we're able to see it, there's a new sponsor for Auburn quarterback Jackson Arnold. You don't know what this is. You haven't seen this yet. I just want your natural reaction to this Jackson Arnold dude wipes partnership. I don't want to go down the road of getting in trouble the last time we talked about dude wipes.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Well, listen, part of this is a little bitterness on my part because they advertise on every freaking podcast but ours. But I'm not sure if I'm Jackson Arnold, like, you know me. I'll do ad reads for just about anyone. But if I'm Jackson-Earled, I'm not sure I take this check at this very moment. This feels like it's terribly wrong. Yeah, anything to do with ass and pooing all over yourself to the world.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Well, the one that popped into my head is when people call somebody ass. But also, having a bad game, people will say you pooped all over yourself. Now, I guess I could clean it up with dude wipes, but you don't want to poop all over yourself in the first place. Listen, bud, I've got no problem with this. I'm on the Jackson Arnold train, but if there's any chance that that train comes off the tracks, you might as well get your dough, man. I'll, good for you.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Get money, Jackson. That's the, that's the rule. And we're wishing you luck. They're quite nice. I think that they do need another element, like a dry element to them for, for what. when you're done cleaning, but that is a also paper. I know, but like maybe do like a dude white like multi pack
Starting point is 00:42:34 where you know, you have the wet and. Like the McDLT back in the 80s at McDonald's with the hot side hot and a cold side cold. Because if you use the dude wipe and then you pull up your pants, then you're left with. All right, we've given them too much for you out. Buy an ad dude wipes. Yeah, like also like, are we ever going to get to a point
Starting point is 00:42:51 where if we become resentful of a brand for not using us as ad sponsors, we could just start hating that brand or do we always want to we can and we also can then reach out behind the scenes to their major competitors and be like we hate these people help us put them out of business yeah we're not saying we want to do that to dude wipes because we still want them to advertise with us but yeah well i do like them that's the problem i do like them um and there's an insane amount of wipes in my house from other brands though that we could reach out to because we have a child who needs them constantly so There you go.
Starting point is 00:43:28 All right. Now, Ari, we also have to talk about this, which is breaking during this show as we're recording this stuff. And behind the curtain, you were going to go get a haircut. I called you back, kind of as a prank with the first story. The second story, though, is legitimate. We have to talk about it. So the first, we're going to call this new segment, the most search engine friendly segment known to man. And we're going to have this regularly.
Starting point is 00:43:58 We're basically, we're going to pick topics that everybody in the world is trying to Google right now. So Donald Trump, Ham, proves it. Well, not that, but Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are getting married. That is the ultimate in search engine optimization. That's the thing. everybody's Googling. That is something. You know, hey,
Starting point is 00:44:30 congrats to them. You know, I'm always, you know, in favor of being around and in the presence of true love. And I do think it is pretty awesome that they were incessantly accused at the beginning of their relationship of doing a media grab
Starting point is 00:44:46 or a publicity stunt. And this actually turned out to them becoming a married couple. uh i also and i don't know if this hits you to make this college football centric but do you ever like how often does it do you go back and see like old pictures of players in their college uniform or old pictures of their recruiting profile and remember writing and talking to those people when they were 16 or 17 as recruits and it does like to me i think that of all the athletes that I have called on the phone on a Wednesday night at
Starting point is 00:45:25 9 or 8 p.m. to do a recruiting profiler story on turning into a nationally or globally famous person, like the ascension of Travis Kelsey from tight end at Cincinnati to who he is today is probably the most dramatic shift in three-star recruit turns into global icon that we'll ever come up with, right? Like this is like peak fame for an athlete? 100%. He's marrying
Starting point is 00:45:55 maybe the most famous person on Earth or at least the most famous entertainer on Earth. And does this make him the most famous athlete on Earth now or is LeBron still ahead of him? I think LeBron's still ahead of him. But he's up there. I mean, he's in the top five, I would imagine.
Starting point is 00:46:12 When he was a freshman and they were using him as a Wildcat quarterback at Cincinnati, not what you would have imagined. Because think about all the players that we talk to and about and then they become NFL stars like I was just remembering like I wrote a I talked to Jackson Dart on the phone four years ago about how his recruitment was blowing up because he was a late holdout as a quarterback commitment and the USC wanted him late and
Starting point is 00:46:37 all these different things came about and like now he's going to start games for the Giants this year and it's like it happens like that right like this one is the one that hit me the hardest and I am it's pretty cool to see so I'm not a person who really cares about celebrity gossip you know this about me if you listen to the show celebrity marrying celebrity doesn't really move the needle for me but like my wife texted me about this like even she's locked into this so this is i know it's a significant thing and i'm happy that there is some sort of pop culture reference um to sports and college football specifically in this specific story and i'm happy to talk about it well clark williams from
Starting point is 00:47:14 the big 12 tweeted this out game note the big 12 conference is the only power for a league to have a student-athletal alum currently engaged to Taylor Swift. That is true. But there is another coach in the Big 12 who's also search engine friendly, Ari. He's the one everybody searches for. Coach Prime. And we got news out of Coach Prime today. Coach Prime named a starting quarterback.
Starting point is 00:47:42 How are you feeling about your two quarterbacks, Cain Salter, Julian Lewis? I'm feeling darn good about him. We've got two guys are capable of getting the job done. K-Sault is going to start. You guys knew that. I don't know why you played a play. He was going to start.
Starting point is 00:47:58 The kid has a ton of experience, dual threat. You can throw the heck out of the ball as well. He's the guy. He's the guy at this point. We were praying and we're hoping that you see some juju periodically through the game as well. We would like to get him some ral. as well. But the game predicates that. So Kate and Salter will start against Georgia Tech on Thursday. Very interesting Thursday
Starting point is 00:48:25 game, Colorado against Georgia Tech. Juju is Julian Lewis, the freshman quarterback, who we also saw at Big 12 Media Days. And as Coach Prime says, he would like to play him some. But this is Georgia Tech. This is obviously not a pushover opponent. The game would have to dictate him getting a chance to play. I don't know why the media ran in their heads that Hayden wasn't going to start. I don't know where you guys came up. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:48:53 You brought him to Big 12 Media Day and never meant. He brought Lewis. Yeah. Play at Media Day. Maybe that's part of the reason why we thought there was a chance that somebody else would start. Friday game, not Thursday, Friday game. Bad Andy. Cincinnati.
Starting point is 00:49:08 I got the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey engagement in my head. Cincinnati, Nebraska is Thursday. Georgia Tech, Colorado is Friday. Yeah, I think this was what we were all expecting. Dion's right. There was some intrigue to it because of the mixed signals that were coming from Colorado at times. But, you know, you don't bring him in, and I think it's functional. You don't bring Salter in if he's not going to play, right?
Starting point is 00:49:31 And I don't know that he goes there if he's not going to play. I know the timeline of it made it kind of murky, but, you know, Colorado, I think, is one of the more intriguing teams. I'm very excited to see, you know, if it starts looking like a functional program without siblings and direct lineage from Dion, you know, on the team. And, yeah, like, let's go. Caden Salter was very productive at Liberty two years ago. And, you know, it wasn't really himself a year ago at times. But, you know, it's going to be a good time.
Starting point is 00:50:01 I'm excited. So, Prime got asked about why he picked Salter and what Salter did. And here's what he said. I guess, obviously, you're choosing experience over kind of the young kid. What did you like about Caden? What did he show you throughout camp that you really just appreciate? He's done it before. This is not his first time running out the tunnel in getting the start.
Starting point is 00:50:22 He's done it before. And his experience is vital. We don't tend to seem like a young team. We have a ton of experience on the offense and defense's side of the ball, especially the coaching staff as well. But I like what he's been doing in camp. I like what he did. I'm in the spring, and he's growing.
Starting point is 00:50:44 and growing and growing. That is doing a wonderful job with him. I'm not losing my thought. I'm just trying to figure out how to say this. He's going to do well. He's going to do well. And Brian Lefich has brought a lot to the table when he's available and he's able to come in working with him.
Starting point is 00:51:08 So I defer to those two coaches to allow me to understand what I I see is valid. So Pat Shermer is their offensive coordinator. Obviously spent a lot of time in the NFL. He works with the quarterbacks, but they also, as Dion noted, bring in Briar and Lefich, who has also been an NFL offensive coordinator to help out. So this is, you know, a lot of brainpower working with a guy who has had a lot of snaps at the FBS level.
Starting point is 00:51:37 And I think that's the thing you think about is just the sheer level experience for Caden Salter. I mean, he's led a team to an undefeated season. He took, you know, took liberty to the Fiesta Bowl where they played Oregon. They were obviously very overmatched against Oregon. But Salter was awesome that year. Absolutely awesome. Yeah, he was. Colorado is also a place where somebody who plays the way that he played two years ago gets very famous.
Starting point is 00:52:04 So it was a good place for him to go. And I know we remember the jokes about how he doesn't live in Boulder and only Julian can afford to live in Boulder and stuff. If he plays the way that I think he can play in Colorado as a similar, you know, capably situated team as it was a year ago, like he's going to become a star in the sport. So I can't wait to go. What's the circumstance you think where we would get to see some Julian Lewis on Friday against Georgia Tech? Is it game is out of hand one way or the other? Or do you think they might put Julian Lewis in a competitive game just to see what they got?
Starting point is 00:52:38 I think that based on what we just saw here that, you know, Salter is the guy. and it would take them either being blown out or being or blowing their opponent out yeah yeah i don't know as the year goes on if we'll start to see packages but this is a four-point spread in a game that's important to both teams and i think you run with your quarterback uh your qb won in that game that's my anticipation but with dion you never know now colorado different this year than the first two years under dion where first years was wholesale transfer portal tons of changes in terms of year to year this year they've got guys that that have played for them that you're going to be familiar with their entire defensive line is returning players now they may have transferred from somewhere else before but they were at colorado last year most of their secondary guys that have been at colorado their offensive line now it is pretty transfer heavy obviously jordan seaton is a returning starter who signed with colorado at high school but the rest of the line are guys that transferred in because remember like their center was was was going to going to be there, and he transferred out and went to Texas Tech after spring. Yeah. Yeah. Andy. Fired up, dude.
Starting point is 00:53:50 Fired up. I know. I am too. This is, and the thing is we knew when Caden Salter went to Colorado that that part of it, you know, because you lose Shador Sanders, you lose a very experienced quarterback who set records for you, Kane Sauter is not going to be intimidated by playing against these teams. It's not going to bother him. You know, he originally signed with Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:54:11 wound up at Liberty. I don't think he's going to be intimidated one bit by the level of competition he's going to see either from Georgia Tech on Friday night or in the Big 12. So that is exciting. And I really want to see what this program looks like now that Travis Hunter's gone, now that Shador Sanders is gone, because I did think it got better for much of the tail end of last season. And the coaches did a good job because we,
Starting point is 00:54:41 We were worried after year one, and Dion overhauled his staff, is this going to work? Is he going to want to be here for the long haul? Clearly, he wants to be there for the long haul. Given what he's faced with his own personal health crisis, the fact that he's still coaching. Obviously, he wants to be there. Now it's just a matter of what's he going to make out of this program. So that is an absolute game to watch Friday night, Colorado, Georgia Tech. Other games?
Starting point is 00:55:11 that probably will not be as exciting as the one we're going to be at, but will be really interesting. Here's one, and I'm sure Dave Portnoy will be watching closely. New Mexico, Michigan, listen, we knew that Bryce Underwood was probably going to be the starter. But on Monday, they officially announced it, which I don't know. You tell me, did you think they were actually going to officially announce it, or did you think they were just going to let it go and he was going to run out there first?
Starting point is 00:55:40 I thought it was going to be he just runs out there first. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't really given much thought on, well, announcement come or who is it going to be? Like my, I've been operating under the assumption that he was going to be the starter for months. So it's cool. Basically when Mikey King got hurt and he had to take all the snaps with the ones
Starting point is 00:55:57 in spring practice and they realized, okay, he gives us our best chance to win, so we're just rolling with him. We knew he was going to be the starter. Do you think there's a correlation between announcing it publicly in confidence or announcing it publicly in team functionality or do you think that those are just media contrived
Starting point is 00:56:15 talking points? I think it's media contrived because listen, every team knows who the guy is going into well, not every team. You guys talk about 2015-0-S-18, but most teams going into the week of the game know exactly what's going to happen whether that's going to be this guy's
Starting point is 00:56:33 the starter, he's taking all the snaps with the ones or if two guys split snaps with the ones in practice. The the players all know this. So whether they announce it to us or not is really irrelevant. But this is one where I do think it is showing confidence in the guy, but also, think about this, Ari, because we're now in this different world where, like, I'll go back to this is something that's been an NFL debate this preseason, the Anthony Richardson
Starting point is 00:57:04 thing with the Colts, where the Daniel Jones gets picked as a starter. you have this all revisionist history, you have the Colts GM, Chris Ballard has said, you know, since the end of last year, like, oh, I shouldn't have played him right away. But like, they drafted him fourth overall a couple years ago. And when they did that, it was like, okay, we got to play him because we drafted him fourth overall. Did you have to play Bryce Underwood because you gave him this record setting NIL deal? You flipped him away from LSU. Because Bryce Underwood, if he were in Baton Rouge right now, would be backing up Garrett Nussmeier. Yeah, my understanding or my hope would be, and I think part of the reason why, you know, in the NFL, there's a correlation between like money spent and all that is also, too, if you don't think that he is good enough to play, then why is he warranting the fourth overall pick or why is he warranting a record an IL deal? And that's my, I don't know if I'm right or wrong about this. I've never coached quarterbacks before. I push back or I think it's a weird thing to be afraid to break somebody. I think experience is the most important thing, even if it's a bad experience. And like for me, freshman quarterbacks of that size and experience levels are probably more than capable of playing against New Mexico. Right.
Starting point is 00:58:28 You're not worried about Bryce Underwood being physically fragile. He's a grown-ass man, even at a very young age. You know, like at the beginning of college football seasons, uh, we kick off the football season by playing high leverage, high level high school games on ESPN, like there were one, um, I was modern day against St. Thomas Aquinas, I believe the other day. Yeah. Yeah, right. Like, it's always like powerhouse first powerhouse. If a high school person, like a quarterback plays for Matter Day and he's playing St. Thomas Aquinas, and I mean this respectfully. And St. Thomas Aquinas. And St. Thomas Aquinas. And St. has seven players on their team that are four stars or better, would you say that the competition in terms of speed and athleticism is higher on that field than it would be for Michigan playing New Mexico? Or as high, yeah. Because the New Mexico players are older and more mature,
Starting point is 00:59:20 so that that helps them. Right, which I would say, I would say you are, you're not being disrespectful at all. It is something that somebody in that situation, it would not feel that different in terms of speed and size and strength. Yeah, I mean, if you played IMG, then you can play against Mexico, in my opinion. I think that the money will play a factor in this. And I do think that a coach ultimately has to win.
Starting point is 00:59:50 And we've had this argument on the show before. But I also don't look at a game that has a 35 point spread and wonder, well, oh, God, the thing's going to be bad for this. I think Michigan will win by more than 35. You're dropping him into a situation. This is, we had this conversation. year, you and I, before you came on the show, because you didn't debut until after this game had it ended, but you and I privately had the conversation about what is, you know, should Florida
Starting point is 01:00:13 play DJ Lagway, not in spots against Miami, but should just start him. And then, and I believe I said no, because you don't want to break him because what if you can't protect him. But this is a different situation than that. Now, Rex Underwood has to go play at Oklahoma in week two yeah and i think this is like i would much rather him play this game first you know uh let him get his seat legs get a win under his belt get some confidence then go out and go play oklahoma on the road um a game that i think they will lose i think they will cover this and they will lose the next week um so you think they cover the 34 and a half points for 34 and a half is so many points i don't care who you're playing i think michigan will try to run this game up um we didn't pick this
Starting point is 01:00:58 officially but if i were to pick it i would lay the points This one, by the way, is on NBC and Peacock. I hope that if you are out there, have we had a major bust yet from a person who received a big NIL deal? And I know that we're still in the infancy of this existing that just couldn't play at all. Did Malachi Nelson, I don't think he got a huge deal at USC. Yeah, but he would have got that being a massive deal. Now, he's going to start at U-TEP this year, but he didn't win the job at U-S.C.
Starting point is 01:01:34 He didn't win the job at Boise State. So now he's at U-Tep where he did win the job. But no, I can't remember somebody getting the massive deal. Like, Jaden Roshada had the deal at Florida, but then that was rescinded, and he didn't get a big deal at Arizona State. And I wonder, too, if, like, Jaden Roshada's deal would have just gone through, if Florida would have put him in a position to at least have been serviceable. I don't know if he just can't play.
Starting point is 01:02:01 or what the deal is. They would have thrown, that type, and it's interesting because we would have had this conversation two years ago and he would have been thrown in and he would have gotten broken.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Yeah. Florida would have a new coach right now. I can tell you. Like if all of that had gone through as written in that contract, Florida would have a new coach right now. Yeah. I probably am more willing to buy that
Starting point is 01:02:27 you can break a person's spirit it through an NIL deal gone sour and then being on four different rocks. But like with your shot, I don't think it would have been broken because he would have been, he would have someday been good and wouldn't be good because you did that. He probably wasn't ever going to be good enough. Well, it's easy to say that now, but if you put somebody in a functional situation, you pay them what you promise them, you bring them along with coaching, you put really good players around them.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Like, I don't know that if putting them out there would have been an absolute disaster either. the way it would be if you put them in there now, right? Well, he would have had to open against Utah. Like, it would have been rough. Bryce Underwoods is a much better situation with this because he's going to be protected by a good offensive line. They've got a good running game. The defense is going to make sure they get the ball
Starting point is 01:03:17 in fairly advantageous positions. Like, this is, you also have to get as good as it gets if you're a true freshman starting quarterback. And maybe I'm giving Florida too much credit here, but maybe Florida the deal didn't go through because Florida knew he couldn't play. like there's also a part of that like i think it's definitely a part of that i don't think anybody was ever denying that yeah so uh if if the deal i very much think at some point somebody
Starting point is 01:03:41 looked at something and goes we're going to pay how much for what yeah we're going to do what for what now yeah i think that like the fact that michigan brought him in in the in the circumstances in which they did you know considering to the pedigree of that university in terms of evaluation and development that they probably have their head on straight so uh and size is a huge deal I stood next to Jaden Roshada at the Elite 11 and I was a bigger dude than him. Granted, I had a lot more pounds back then.
Starting point is 01:04:05 But he wasn't, I mean, like there are certain level freaks. And I think Bryce Underwood is more freakish than Jaden Roshada would be. You don't walk up to Bryce Underwood and think, oh, I hope you can make it through the game. Like, you look at the game. Oh, he's fine. I do wonder if there will be a DJU-ish type prospect who is huge who commands a, because, you know, he was a five-star prospect
Starting point is 01:04:28 because of his measurable. development, the fundamental aspects that will garner a Bryce Underwood like deal and will turn out to not be good. A hundred percent it'll happen. It's guaranteed to happen, Ari. If you go down in the list of quarterbacks that have gotten a big deal, like you think of Bryce, you think of Nico, who am I, who am I forgetting? Who else got big deals?
Starting point is 01:04:49 DJ got a big deal. All the ones that are high profile enough to write about before they ever play a snap in college have at least been serviceable. I don't think anybody's been terrible or lost their job or it's been just a stunk and Nico was a very above average college quarterback last year. Yeah. Now, I don't know what they got paid for. His team made the playoff.
Starting point is 01:05:13 They did get what they paid for. But he never reached the level of stardom that his $8 million deal at the beginning of his term, like promised. And, you know, his career is not over yet. We'll see what happens at UCLA. But there hasn't been an absolute dumpster fire yet either. But there will be, I don't think it's going to be Bryce Underwood, but there will be one at some point down the road. And Bryce Underwood,
Starting point is 01:05:37 Bryce Underwood took this job. Didn't Bryce Underwood like take the job once he had to play when Mikey Keen got injured and everyone was like, holy shit, that's not past the play? Yeah, because I think if Sharon Moore thought Bryce Underwood needed more time, they would have tried to make sure they got Keene ready. They went out and got Jake Garcia, who's been in a bunch of different places.
Starting point is 01:05:57 they would have done something else if they thought he wasn't ready. Yeah, I've been operating since spring practices if he's ready. If you're a Michigan fan, you probably feel pretty good about the circumstances in which he is starting as a true freshman. It feels less forced. It feels more like he forced them by being good.
Starting point is 01:06:15 And that's why I took him in the quarterback fantasy draft, which may or may not be a mistake. We'll see. We'll find out. We've got to talk about group of five teams that can beat powerful opponents in week one. But let's also talk about something happening on Sunday that is very, very exciting.
Starting point is 01:06:35 For those of us who love college football, the fall begins the moment. Toe meets leather, even if it's still 90 degrees outside. For coffee lovers, fall begins the moment, pumpkin returns at Starbucks. So consider this your early autumnal equinox. This week, you've got football, and you've got pumpkin season at Starbucks.
Starting point is 01:06:52 You can grab your pumpkin cream cold brew on the way to the tailgate. specifically, if you're in South Florida, August 31st, the day that Miami takes on Notre Dame, stop by the Starbucks coffee kickoff at the Starbucks on Northwest 27th Avenue. You can meet Devin Hester, former Kane, greatest return man in the history of the game. You can meet J.D. Pekyll,
Starting point is 01:07:12 super handsome guy from On 3, Ivy Leager, and you can get your pumpkin cream cold brew. Don't care what the calendar says. I don't care what the thermometer says. Grab your favorite Starbucks pumpkin beverage because it's fall, baby. it's football season, it's pumpkin season. Grab your favorite Starbucks, pumpkin beverage,
Starting point is 01:07:30 hot or iced, and settle in for the greatest college football season ever. All right, all right. You got your Bed-M-G-M-G-M-G-Hat on. We're going to go through some Bed-MGMGN lines here. You want to talk about the ultimate hack, by the way? Great hat. That MGM sent me some swag.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Did you get yours in the mail? I got a T-shirt. I did get my-sug. I've got my hat right here. When your lettuce looks like this, and you're going to get you. Yeah, I'm getting lined up. Our boss said he thinks it looks great.
Starting point is 01:08:01 So, you know, Luke, take a look at it. Let me know what you think because I tried to get on the show. Because, like, we're not supposed to wear hats on the show because we want to keep professional. I like that. But I have a- I wonder if Dave Portnoy wear a hat on the Big Noon show. I guess we'll find out. Will we wear this Block M hat?
Starting point is 01:08:18 Maybe. I would. I mean, what are you hiding from the stick? But I have a lineup and beard trim this afternoon. and I just said, hey, can I wear my bed MGM hat? Because anybody who's been watching the show for a long period of time knows I used to be a hat every episode guy. So the fact that I have this cool snapback hat that BDMGM sent, it got me out of jail today with the hair before I get my haircut while also wearing a sponsored hat, which is, you know, I got to say, like of all the casino logos too, like the MGM logo is the most iconic in my mind. The first hotel I ever stayed at in Vegas in my entire life was the MGM grand.
Starting point is 01:08:56 you know, with the way that green lights up at night. It's something of pure beauty. But, you know, let's. I have some, some BetMGM bets in, too, Andy, especially on this game that you're about to bring up. So let's get into it. Oh, wait, which get. We're bringing up several games here.
Starting point is 01:09:13 So I'm curious which one this is. I have Southern Miss winning. I don't have them winning outright, but I have them in the points for quite a lot of shekels this weekend. Southern Miss at Mississippi State. This is one of those. it's a real no-win situation for Mississippi State as they go to Hattiesburg. This is plus 13 and a half.
Starting point is 01:09:34 Southern Miss is a home underdog. Southern Miss is in a very interesting situation. So Southern Miss was the last place team in the Sunbelt last year. They fired Will Hall as their coach. They hired Charles Huff. Now, Charles Huff was at Marshall. He got sideways with the Marshall administration before last season even started. was clear that that was going to be his last year of Marshall. Well, he goes ahead and wins the
Starting point is 01:10:00 sunbelt at Marshall, knowing that they're probably not going to bring him back. He ends up leaving Marshall for the team that was last in the same league that he won. But this is the era of player movement. And so a whole bunch of Marshall's roster landed in Hattiesburg, where now you have a team with a bunch of guys who won the league last year. playing for the team that was the last place team in the league last year. Now, this doesn't mean anything to Mississippi State, which plays in the SEC, but what it does mean is this game is now significantly harder than it was when Mississippi State scheduled it. We had Colin Wilson from the Action Network on the show, and he said that the Southern Miss league title bet, I think it was like 30 to 1. Was it pretty, I got it. I did it.
Starting point is 01:10:53 So we're on Southern. 36 to 1 when Colin came on. So we hit that. I love that this game is on the road, too. And the spread at some places has dropped. So I got 14. It's 13 and a half at Bid MGM, and I'm pretty comfortable with that.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Southern Mitch should be pretty good this year, no? They should be for the Sunbelt. The question is, can they compete with Mississippi State? Mississippi State had a tough year last year. Blake Shapen, who was the quarterback, that they brought in from Baylor. Jeff Levy brought him in, you know, was the guy that he thought could run his offense best. Blake got hurt. So they played a lot with Michael Van Buren, who's now the backup at LSU. But they didn't quit, even though it was a very hard year. They went 0.18 in the
Starting point is 01:11:40 SEC. But you never got the sense that Jeff Levy lost that team. This year, obviously, another heavily revamped roster, lots of transfers. I'm very excited. about Fluff Bothwell. Fluff Bothwell was the leading rush for South Alabama last year. He's going to be in the tailback rotation at Mississippi State. I just like saying Fluff Bothwell. Mississippi State should
Starting point is 01:12:06 win this game. That said, this is going to be a very tough cover, I think, because this is going to be a huge game in Haddysburg. There are a lot of people saying southern mist to the top. And obviously Charles Huff
Starting point is 01:12:22 and a bunch of guys who came from Huntington, West Virginia kind of know what they're doing together a little bit. Yep. This one would be my pick. Well, actually, there's another one. Let's go to the other two. There's two more.
Starting point is 01:12:38 There's one that I was definitely afraid of. Can you want to guess which one I'm talking about? I think we're talking about Toledo, Kentucky. We are, because the other one, the group of five team is favored, I think. The group of five team is definitely favored the other one. We'll get that in a second because they haven't been. very interesting schedule. But Toledo, Kentucky, BetMGM and the other books understand what's going on here. Typically, if a Mac team goes
Starting point is 01:13:04 to play at an SEC team, you're talking about three touchdown line. Kentucky's only a seven and a half point favorite here. They just officially named Zach Calzada, the starting quarterback at Kentucky. So for those who are keeping track of, this was somebody at TechSags, by the way, yesterday already put out a list of all the former Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M quarterbacks who are starting everywhere else in college football or playing everywhere else in college football
Starting point is 01:13:31 it is extensive and Zach Calzada is one of those so Zach Calzada... I can only think of two who are the other ones well let me let me give you Zach Calzada's travelogue while I vamp and look up this Jimbo diaspora tweet
Starting point is 01:13:45 but I actually can take a three go ahead all right so Zach Calzata started out at Texas A&M Remember, he was the starting quarterback when they beat Alabama at Kyle Field. He then went to Auburn, where he was injured, never really played. That was the Brian Harsen era. He then went to incarnate Word, which is where Cam Ward started, where, you know, they fling it around.
Starting point is 01:14:09 It's in San Antonio. Had a really good time there, and now he is at Kentucky as a starting quarterback. So your Jimbo quarterbacks, and one did not originally start out with Jimbo, but the other ones did. So Zach Calzada is Kentucky's quarterback, of course. Haynes King is Georgia Tech starting quarterback. Max Johnson originally started at LSU, but then did transfer to Texas A&M under Jimbo. He's now at North Carolina. He broke his leg last year.
Starting point is 01:14:36 He's the back of a North Carolina right now. Connor Wegman is the starting quarterback at Houston and Jalen Henderson.

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