Andy & Ari On3 - D.J. Lagway OVER LaNorris Sellers? WAY Too Early All-America

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

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It is early, early, way too early All-America today. Ari has revealed his All-America list, his way, way too early. I don't have lots of huge problems with it. I think you and I actually agree on probably the most contentious point, but I noticed that the folks don't necessarily agree with you on the most contentious point, Ari. And you have DJ Lagway, Florida Gator, as your number one quarterback, your QB1 on your way too early All-American team. And the folks were wondering about Lenora Sellers from South Carolina. Like, where'd that come from?

It's just kind of like one of those deals where you have one spot. Right. And there's a second team, but then the second team comes down to guys like Sellers and Cain Clubnick and Arch Manning. And like, it's a projection of how I think the thing's going to play out. Not how good people were last year. Like, and I think that's like the biggest misconception or the biggest misunderstanding that people have when they look at lists like this.

So they are DJ Lagway played 10 snaps last year. It's like, yeah, but he's not going to play 10 snaps next year. Like this is about next year. So he played 10 snaps last year. That's, that's the thing. He played half a season. And so you're, you're projecting off of a much larger sample size. The sellers one is interesting too.

Cause I do think, I think sellers can be quite a bit better than he was last season. And there's a chance that he could be really good. The seller's injury in the LSU game, I think may have not allowed him to get near his ceiling last year. Because he got hurt right before first, right before halftime in the LSU game.

Tried to play on it against Ole Miss, and he was obviously probably not ready to play at that point. And those ankle sprains can kind of linger. Now, look, DJ Lague also played on one hamstring against LSU, so you got that. But I do think, I don't think this is a cut and dried easy decision between those two,, I don't think this is a cut and dried easy decision

between those two, though I don't think, I think those two are the two you need to decide between. Well, and here's the thing too, Andy. It's like if Lenora Sellers turns out to be much better than DJ Lague, then I'll just be wrong. Like, it's like they both have very high ceilings and players don't always reach their ceilings, but from what I saw from DJ Lagway, and I don't know

if you're with me on this, I think you are, but I'm not Jim Nagy. I can't sit there and be like, yeah, well, DJ Lagway's footwork is perfect, and he's got this, this, this, and this, and give you a pre-draft report, but I do have vision. You do have Yes, not not not vision in the sense of like I can see the future vision like my eyes work and like I think that like if you watch DJ Lagway operate last year even in games, they lost. I don't know how you don't see it like II don't know how people don't see what I see. So like and also I think I think he's strong. He's moderately fast. He's elusive. I don't see what I see. So like, and also, I think, I think, he's strong. He's moderately fast. He's elusive. I don't know if he's as good of a runner as sellers, but he's still a very proficient runner. And he has an arm like a

cannon. And like also to the thing that I was watching were a lot of the breakdowns of how quickly he was able to read defenses so early in his career. And I think that there's so much about like how, um, much your physical traits are going to continue to develop after your freshman year. And there's certainly a lot to that. But then I also, um, uh, feel like if you are somebody who understands football and doesn't crack your pants, when you go out there as a freshman, are unable to diagnose and check out a place diagnosed defense and check out a place, that's probably a pretty good sign that you're gonna be a proficient team leader too.

So I mean, I don't know. If I had to buy, like listen, if I had to have one player on my team next year out of everybody in the country would be unequivocally Jeremiah Smith. Okay, but if we take Jeremiah Smith out of the equation, I think it's within the realm of possibility that by November we're viewing DJ Lagway as one of the five

best players in college football. Like I think like that's the ceiling for him and it's also the ceiling for Sellers too. So I picked one. Me picking Lagway doesn't mean I think Sellers stinks. It's the exact opposite. This is the internet argument. Of course it means that. So but like also to my second team was Cade Klubnick. Like did I mess up there? I don't think so. I like Cade Klubnick. Of course it means that. So but like also to my second team was Kate club. Nick. Did I mess up there? I don't think so. I like Kate club Nick.

Well I know I guess I'd go with sellers on that one but I don't have a problem with the Kate club Nick choice either because I think I think we saw last year that club next mobility and I'm guessing you know Clemson coaches probably knew that was there Clemson players probably knew that was there. Clemson players probably knew that was there. We didn't know that was there until they started really using his legs. And it makes him a much more difficult. Go ahead. I'm happy you're talking about club Nick. And I'm sorry to interrupt you.

But like my second team one was actually archmantic. Not not club. Okay. Well, you had no sample size for that. He had a two game sample size. Yeah. Well also to projection forward, not looking back. But like the three quarterbacks,

and I'll let you finish your Clubnik thought, but the three quarterbacks that I considered for the second team were Sellers, Clubnik and Manning. And you figured it's the internet, so if you put Manning on there, more people click on it, right? Well, actually I didn't put Manning on the graphic at all. It's for the people who read the story,

which with graphics don't really do that. Oh, wait, a story, Ari, come on. No, no, I actually do. I'm very high on Arch Manning too. So like also, like a lot of this stuff for me is ceiling. And I think we've seen enough of Cade Klubnick to kind of know what he generally is. And like, it's a very good football player right I don't know if Cade Klubnik ceiling is top five

pick I think Arch Manning could be the number one pick in the draft next year so like that to me is is also part of it like we're talking about all-american lists here we're not talking about who's gonna score well at the NFL combine next year right like who's most likely to be an All-American next year, Cade Clubnick or Arch Manning? Like who do you think's more likely from a betting standpoint? It's probably Arch Manning, right?

Just based on name and situation. But that said, it's gonna be really good. You'd think so? Cause his team, Cade Clubnick's team is gonna be really good. You already know he's productive. You know he's got pretty good young receivers

who are gonna be better next year. Like I actually, I think the safer bet would be on Clubnik right now because we there's still some unknown about Arch. We've we have seen him start games. We do know Texas has talent around him, but Arch is actually in a more Heisman. So well, yes, because people betting on the Heisman trophy in February are like, I know who Arch Manning is. I know who his uncles are. That's why I know. But I think that there's also the hype factor to this.

And like, I think that like how you arrive at the Heisman Trophy is how people vote on All American list too. Oh, I thought it was who tells the story of the season. No, no, no, that's, that's, that's a flawed Heisman thought, but. For those who don't remember, this is why Ari left Jaden Daniels off his Heisman ballot and he has admitted his mistake. It's not flawed, I'm still gonna use,

it just was too much of the equation. I think I need to bring down the equation. Yeah, the award for the best player should probably, the criteria should just be who's the best player. That's the best player. That's Let's go back to this arch club Nick discussion because I think it's okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think the floor for club Nick is higher Right because we know what he is green it. Yeah, like we know That like at the very least Clemson's gonna win ten games next year And they're probably gonna be in the playoff mix in late November and he's gonna have a productive season

Like I don't think there's any doubt to it. The question is from a ceiling standpoint, I think Arch's ceiling is higher. Now that doesn't mean that Arch won't stink next year or like is going to be awesome, but like if Texas is who we think Texas is, which both of us chose them to win the national title, right? Like you did too. Correct. Like if you think that, then I don't know how you could think that Kade Klade Club Nick would be a more likely person on February 28th to be an All-American. Like if you think that Texas is going to win the national title next year, like you can't

not have Arch Manning on this list. The thing about it is I also think Clemson is going to be really good. I think Clemson is going to win the ACC. I think Clemson is going to be a top four seed in the in the playoff. And I think Clemson's going to win the ACC. I think Clemson is going to be a top four seed in the, in the playoff. And I think Clemson could probably go deep in the playoff. So I'm not looking at Texas and Clemson as that different. Yeah. But, but winning the sec and winning the ACC, which Dabo does every year, even when his team isn't very good. What I'm saying is I think Clemson will be able to compete with the

best teams in the sec as well. I know, but when do they vote on this stuff? When do they vote on the Heisman? December. No, no, no they vote on Heisman December? No, no, no, not the Heisman. I'm talking about all American lists are coming out at the end of the regular season, right? Yeah, no, I wasn't.

I'm not worried about. I'm not worried about it because again, the argument. We have is between Lagway and Sellers. Steven in San Antonio asked does Lagway have the talent around him to be the number one QB in the country? And that is a good question because we don't really doubt it with with Kate Klobnik. We don't really doubt it with Arch with Lagway and Sellers is a bit more of an open question. So for Lagway, here's here's the thing I'm thinking about because you so you have one of his linemen on your All

America team. You have Jake Slaughter as a first team center and he is pretty universally recognized going into the season as the number one center of the country. Yeah, a lot of this was like a lot of the exactly but yeah, so they feel good about their offensive line at Florida so that that part of it is you know, I think the way they play at the end of the season, look at the Ole Miss game against a really good defensive line. I understand why they're confident with Florida the question is who's he throwing to because the two leading receivers Shamir DK and and

Elijah Badger are gone in the NFL and they didn't they didn't go crazy on receivers in the portable in the portal I got Jay Michael sort of it from UCLA and he's gonna play but wide receiver one probably comes from somebody who was already on the roster or one of the two freshmen that are coming in. So you're talking about Eugene Wilson, the third, you're talking about maybe Aidan Mizell. You're talking about Burnell Brown, the third, one of the freshmen Dallas Wilson, one

of the freshmen. So that's Brown III, one of the freshmen. Dallas Wilson, one of the freshmen. So that's my question is one of the freshman is a five star player too. Let's not. Vernal is a five star and Dallas Wilson is a number 41 in the country. So he was almost a five star. You have two players who are among the best high school players overall in the country who are coming in at receiver, which is a huge like that's not not a footnote. That's the, that's the headline, I think. Yeah. So the question, the question you're asking, and this is why I'm feeling pretty confident about

DJ Liveway being good is can you replicate the production of Shamir, DK and Elijah Badger or get more production than what those two did out of that. Yes. So for people I just mentioned in the answer, of course, is probably yes. And Andy too, if, uh, Lagway is one of the best players in the country, he's going to make his team look better. It's not going to be the other way around. Like Lagway is a truck.

The defense played better when he was like, and he doesn't play defense. But the defense for Florida played better when lag way was playing for the offense. Yeah, that's just true. Like, I don't know, like, Florida has another really tough schedule, right? Like, they don't have an easy go of it. But no, but I think it's like, he played the hardest part of the schedule last year. And it's interesting, because, you know, that he doesn't play in that Texas game after he gets his hamstring hurt against Georgia. You saw it. It was it was night and day the difference between them with him

and them without him between that Texas game and the LSU game the following week. And like also to an entire year of developing behind the scenes knowing you're the starter getting healthy for that hamstring thing that kind of slowed him down Like yeah, I really do believe that there is a legitimate case to be made that they could be Five and two through the first seven games of the season if you go look at that like, you know If they have to go two and two in games against LSU Miami, Texas and A&M Like that's not the fan base is probably pissed. It's but But the fan base is probably pissed if they're five and two at that point. But the thing is, if they are, can they can they run the table at the end?

Now that would be hard because you have Georgia, Ole Miss and Tennessee. Yeah. In that last five games. But also, it's not out of the question to think that Florida State could or Florida could be seven and oh, like they're playing four tough games in the first half of their season, but they can beat the LSU. Well, I don't know. LSU is kind of a wild card.

I don't know if they have a really high ceiling next year. Like LSU could be awesome next year, but like I'm looking at what we understood about the teams that are on that schedule from last year. And I don't think that a Much improved Florida team out. Okay seven and O's insane. They're probably gonna lose to Texas, especially Seven and O would be really hard with my Miami Texas and Texas I think Miami's not gonna be as good as they were last year. I'm not anticipating A&M is a well game Oh, wait, you said yeah, LSU. Yeah six and one

Okay, six and one. If they are, they should be deliriously happy. And then if you can go four and one over the last stretch, you're a playoff team. Everybody's everybody's thrilled. Everybody's thrilled. But the wild card there obviously is how good Zayn and LSU because like A&M, I feel like going into every year, A&M is like the ceiling is through the roof and then they turn out to just be solid. Like I don't know what A&M is going to be. I really like Mike Elko and I believe in his vision and his direction. But like also too like who's the most interesting team in the entire country going into next year. I mean I think you make the case that

LSU probably falls on that list. So yeah like a lot of it's going to be about how much Florida improve. But a lot of it too is going to be how much the other teams on their schedule improve because everybody in the SEC was kind of gettable last year. Well, let's let's look at South Carolina schedule because you talked about Florida having hard schedule. South Carolina schedule is also very hard. So they've got their own issues to deal with. And it starts off manageable. They've got the opener against Virginia Tech, which a lot of years would look pretty daunting. It doesn't look as daunting this year. Vandia and Missouri is not a layup. Missouri has been very good lately. But then you get the LSU Oklahoma, Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas, A and M run like that is the hardest. That's a harder schedule than Florida's.

That's it. Well, it's, it's a harder stretch of a schedule than anything Florida has this year and it's that's rough. Yeah. Missouri, Kentucky, LSU, Oklahoma, Bama, Ole Miss, A&M, then Coastal Carolina, and then Clemson. Yeah. That is a tough stretch. So, you know, for South Carolina, Lenora Sellers is going to be challenged. Obviously, we think Dylan Stewart's going to help that defense stay very good, but remember they're losing Kyle Canard, Nick Immenwary off

that defense. So the offense is going to have to pick up some of the slack. Uh, as far as the receivers go, I thought Maysio Bennett was good last year as a freshman before he got hurt. Would like to see a full season worth of him. Can Nick Harbor be the Nick Harbor from the video game? Like if Nick Harbor becomes the Nick Harbor from the video game, we're not even having this discussion. Like either Nick Harbor or Lenora Sellers is winning the Heisman in South Carolina as a playoff team. Man, if Nick Harbor turns into who he is in the video game, he can be the president of the United

States by the next term. Like he's unstoppable. It's so funny because it's like the vision of Nick Harbor as a player is so different for people who play the video game and people who don't play the video game. So for those who do not play the video game, Nick Harbor is a combination of it's like if if Bo Jackson from Tecmo Bowl got the contra code like yeah, I realize if you don't play the video game, you probably don't know what that means. But he's unstoppable if he can if he can catch the ball game. The video game thought he was Tyreek Hill and Robert Gronkowski. It was incredible. Yeah, so Megatron is what GoatDog says and that's right. Calvin Johnson because that's

what Calvin Johnson was. So yeah, that's the tricky part there is can that happen? Can some of these guys? Step forward and be that guy, because if they can then then Lenora Sellers going to have a big season because he can't do it by himself. Now here's the thing, as good of a runner as Lenora Sellers is he can do a lot of it by himself.

Yeah, and and did at times last year, so and also South Carolina's got some really, really good players, uh, cough Dylan Stewart, uh, that have a really good chance to have like giving him some, some slack on the other side of the ball. Um, you know, gets that you got Dylan Stewart on your, on your some stops on your defensive line that really helps your offense get back on the field. So he's going to have opportunities this year. I love your defensive line, by the way, on this All-America team. Dylan Stewart and Colin Simmons off the edges, Peter Woods and LT Overton in the middle. That's nasty. I kind of cheated because like I didn't know where to put LT Overton because he's kind of an edge rusher. Like I think that he

like projects as an edge rusher at the next. I hate to break this to you, but your defense could never exist in real life. It couldn't. No, cause you have you have a four down front. And then you have Ann Hill and St. Perkins as two of your linebackers. Like St Perkins is a they're going to. Yeah, yeah, they're all like the edge a lot of the time. So like you have you have some three

four outside linebackers even if it couldn't, even if even if it was out like that would still be a really good defense. So here's the one thing that I struggled with. River, put the list back up because I forgot what I was going to say. So I had a hard time at linebacker because I didn't know what to do with Harold Perkins. That's a great question. And you didn't put him on the first team, and I don't think you should.

He's coming off an injury. We don't know how he made it. Well yeah but Rod Moore's got a little more of a body of work. A little bit more consistent body work. Harold Thomas was so good as freshman here. As a freshman in a role that he didn't play last year. They're not going to play him in that role from the freshman year though. They're going to him as the star, which look, LSU historically has had a lot of really good see ball get ball players. Like Tyran Matthew and Harold Perkins are two different people, very different players. But they realized, and I realize,

very different coaching staffs, but the Les Miles staff understood that Tyran Matthew's biggest asset was just go get the ball like I remember the arguments about well, he's not a great cover corner who cares just tell him to go get the ball and With Harold Perkins, I think they found a spot for him in Blake Baker's defense Where you can just tell him to go get the ball and I'm excited to see it Just an aside. Do you think that the honey badger should be in the conversation for best college football

players of all time? Oh, yeah. Yeah, now, unfortunately, he didn't play a full career. Yeah. Because he got suspended for his last year. But when he played, man, there was just very few players like him on the defensive side of the ball that could make you feel it, like on every snap.

And usually, when that guy's on defense, he's on the line somewhere. Yep. You could feel that he was so, so, so good to two players like that in, in fairly rapid succession, you had a honey badger LSU and then you had, uh, Oh gosh. Why am I? Derwin James at Florida state. Who's it with the chargers now? And, and so honey badger was suspended for his last year.

Derwin James had the knee injury that cost him a whole year. We never really got to see them fully blossom in college, which sucks. Now, the great thing is we did get to see them become fully realized in the NFL, and both of them were awesome and incredible NFL players. So I like really smart football players

who just go make Havoc happen wherever they go. So it's it's a lot of fun. So yeah, all right All right, we got to talk about a couple other things We're talking hoops with Jeff Goodman. But before we do that a couple things and we'll we'll talk more about this on Monday show the football rules committee is And we'll we'll talk more about this on Monday show. The Football Rules Committee is supposed to talk about what they did, and they've got a teleconference at noon Eastern on Friday. And so we'll see what they wind up doing. Steve Shaw, the the secretary rules editor for the National Coordinator officials,

has said that they they had to do something about faking injuries. So we'll see if they actually come up with anything that might work. I don't know if they will, but I'm curious to hear what their ideas are. This, I don't know that this is going to be anywhere near as drastic as some of the rules changes last year where you had the two minute timeout, you had all the technology changes on the sidelines, but that's one thing. We got the job. I was thinking of rule changes, that the NFL is kicking around, changing their overtime rules again.

And I was like, I don't understand. Don't you think they should just do college football overtime rules in the NFL and just start at their own 40 or the 50? Well, people hate college football overtime too. Like nobody likes it. College football overtime is awesome. You know what they should do? Oh, people hate college overtime.

Why? I don't know. Well, I don't like it goes to penalty kicks, but well, yeah, the overtime grab ass segment you, I could do without, but like the starting of the 25 and giving people both teams have equal percentage change. There's no analytics to it. It's also what most high schools use. Like the college version is what most high schools use too. With the NFL, I liked the sudden death, like just plain old sudden death.

It's bullshit. Which they don't have anymore. It's bullshit because you can't control who gets the ball first. You can control whether you get the ball by playing good defense. I know, but offenses inherently have advantages, especially in those moments. Like didn't they say it was like 63% of teams that that it's actually gotten

even more advantageous for the team that gets the ball first with this version of it over the purely sudden death version, which I don't even understand. Well, I understand it because you get two possessions in most cases when the other team gets one. That is true. The other thing in the NFL is the kick. The kickers are so freaking good now. That's why you'd have to start at your own 40. At least because college football rules. Yeah. Yeah, because if you are if you are inside the 40 yard line, most NFL kickers are going to be able to make that kick. Here's the one thing that the college overtime rules have that or has that

the NFL doesn't, which is both teams get equal opportunity They start from the same place. They get the same possessions. They get the play by the same rules and the NFL It's kind of random like so I tell you and I'll tell you why the NFL won't go to that You know, I kind of now that you're talking me into it. They won't because it'll mess up their TV windows Yeah, but I yeah, I also just don't know I won't because it'll mess up their TV windows. Yeah, but I yeah, I also just don't know. I didn't know that people didn't like college football overtime rules outside of the two to the have you never been on Twitter when overtime starts people

bitch about it constantly. Really? Yeah, no, I think yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I think I've seen far more out of hell bitching than college. Get rid of the penalty kicks and just do the you have to go for two after every touchdown. Right, that'll solve it. Yeah, because you're not going to go nine over times doing that. Like two point conversions are hard. Get rid of the penalty kicks and just tell everybody they've got to go for two. So even if you score on your first possession, you're not.

Yeah, that would probably end it very quickly in most cases. Yeah. Okay. All right. We've solved overtime. Awesome. That's great You right from the jump? One more thing. There's a job opening There's a the coaching carousel never stops Scott Leffler has left bowling green to become a Philadelphia Eagles staffer. So you want to coach bowling green? That's where urban Meyer launched his career as a head coach It's you know, lovely northern Ohio.

What's what's the thing that the pepperoni rolls or there's only rolls there? Yeah, yeah, OK, we drove by and didn't stop, so next time we drive by that Andy, we're not going to make that mistake. Because like I've been thinking about that quite a bit. So I've got takes on this.

I don't know if you thought that this was gonna be a take segment or just gonna tell people, but I'm gonna take it. Hey, bring it, bring it, bring it, bring it, bring it. I think being a Mac head coach and by the same extent, being a Mac staffer, whether it's an assistant coach or a personnel person, is the hardest job in college football. Like I would, if I were an up and coming head coach or a hotshot assistant that wanted to

be a head coach one day, I would never take a job in the Mac ever. The players are not really ranked. It's hard to distinguish them. And the hardest thing about it too, is that if you find the second you get a good one, he's gone, he's gone. Whether he makes it on your roster or not. Like if you get a kid to commit to bowling green he's a junior and that has a really good senior season he and then indiana offers him he's gone and then you have players who also leave your team when they don't play enough early on so you're losing them on both ends and at the same

time there's like nine other max schools in the same three hour driving radius that are identical to you. And it's really hard to distinguish yourself. Like I have no idea why people put themselves through it. And like, it may, and it's like anybody who goes 11 and a, 11 and one or 10 and two or wins the Mac in two or three years in a row, like deserves a better job. Like they should automatically have like a promotion rule.

Like if you turn Kent State into a champion, like that's why like Sean Lewis had a pretty good trajectory because Sean Lewis differentiated Kent State when he was there. And it's like a really hard thing to do. Well, Jason Candles, the great example of this, like Jason Candles has been awesome at Toledo. Absolutely awesome.

I think Jason Candles should be a head coach somewhere else. Like I think he's done more than enough in the hardest of hard situations. Right, the Toledo job that he's done very well at is harder than any job you would hire him for. Yeah, yeah. It's like what's the difference between Toledo and Kent? I'm being serious. Toledo probably pays a little better. They've got maybe a little better situation. Is it possible that Toledo has more pride in its program because it's in the

city of Toledo and people care about it or I mean I don't know what's the difference like Ohio use pretty but they've got the rolling hills with the trees right Miami of Ohio I think is a very good school Ohio you has the Halloween party right the Halloween party yeah yeah yeah Miami of Ohio to to just all-time great party schools like Kent is just like in Cleveland somewhere right like so I, so I just, I don't know. But the fact that they're so close geographically, they're all the same climate. They're the same state for the most part.

But like what's the difference between Western Michigan and Eastern Michigan? I don't know. Toledo AD Brian Blair is a dedicated listener to the show. So us suggesting that somebody should hire Jason Cannelloy, I'm sorry, Brian, I'm sorry. But your coach is really good. Just he is.

He's probably takes pride in that, but I'm just saying it's a really hard, really hard job. And like I was writing yesterday on on three right now, I'm gonna plug myself because that's what I do. That sounded weird. Okay, Oklahoma's hiring of Jim Nagy and Ohio State's Mark Pantoni and the Renaissance of the personnel staffers.

And I was like thinking a lot about personnel staff and I have for a long portion of my career and it's like, the GM at Kent State probably makes like $30,000 a year and has the hardest job in college football. Yep. Right? I don't know. Well, it's it's so our guy Pete Nacos is working on hotboard for this right now. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw something out here. If you would like to hire a coach in the Mac who has a better chance of coming in and winning,

do what Danny White did when he was the head coach at Buffalo. And I talked to Danny and so Danny's the AD at Tennessee right now. He was the AD at Buffalo. He had to fire his coach and his thing is my pool is basically going to be big 10 position coaches. He's like, but what if I could expand that pool? What if I could go look at somebody who hardly ever gets looked at for these jobs? And so he's like, who's kicking ass in division three? Well, Lance Leipold is dominating at Wisconsin whitewater. So I'm going to go, I'm going to go see if he wants it.

And that's what he did. He hired Lance Leipold. So if you're, if you're bowling green and you're looking for your next coach, and this is a tough time to be looking, but look at division two and division three. I'm not kidding. Like find people who are really dominant in those at those levels because they already know how to build a winning program with a tough situation like division three, they don't give scholarships. So they have to figure out a lot more than the coaches at division one do. So I would, I would give that piece of advice. Do you know what off the top of your head with Jason Candle salary was last

year. I don't but I can look it up. No, I don't want you to look it up. I know it. I want you to guess OK. It was I want to say $750,000. No more than that 1.19. I think that's pretty. That's very good for the Mac. Yeah, but would you rather be the head coach of a Mac. But would you rather be the head coach of a Mac program or would you rather be the offensive coordinator at Arkansas? Making more than that.

You'd make almost $2 million as the OC of Arkansas. Yeah, like you got, Jim Knowles is making three times as much as him at Penn State right now. Yeah. Oh, I take the coordinator job in a heartbeat. And you've seen that. And which one do you think you have a better chance of getting your next job after that?

SEC or Big Ten coordinator. So it's a hard pool. It have a better chance of getting your next job after that. SEC or Big Ten Coordinator. So it's a hard pool. It's a hard thing to do. And like the fact that Toledo's been able to hold the candles a nice boon for them because he's done a really good job. Yeah, I saw him at the at the senior bowl and talked to him for a while. And it was the first time I got to talk to him in person. And it was really, really fun to talk to him because he's, he's very smart, very good at his job.

And, and if you look at their high school recruiting, they're better at high school recruiting than anybody in the Mac. They retain people better than anybody in the Mac. They've done a really good job, but it is like you said, incredibly hard. And he probably at any point could have gone the big 10 SEC offensive coordinator route. And I do wonder if that's that's something that he ultimately will do. Because remember he was with Matt Campbell when Matt Campbell was the Toledo head coach.

They're both from Mount Union D three guys. And so it's a great question. But yeah, if you want to you you wanna work one of the hardest jobs in America, but if you do it well, maybe there's a chance to move up. Bowling Green, it's open. Good luck to all those applicants. Pepperoni rolls.

Ari, we're gonna have Jeff Goodman on and talk some hoops. Before we do that, let's talk about our friends at Panini America. Go to paniniamerica.net, start collecting your favorite college and NFL stars, and also college basketball NBA stars. In honor of Jeff coming on and talking hoops, we're going to open a pack of Prism draft picks basketball edition, which means there is a possibility of a Caitlin Clark autograph in this pack. If we get a Caitlin Clark autograph, we are in very good shape. I'm gonna come to your house and rob it.

I know. I know. I'm aware. I'm aware. All right. We got an AJ Johnson. We got a AJ Johnson. We got a James Harden as an Arizona state Sun double.

I actually saw him in the NCAA tournament. He was, he was fun to watch in college. Got a silver prism there, pal. That's right. Chris Paul as a Wake Forest Demon Deacon. Ariel Hukporty. Hunter Dickinson, who we're gonna talk to Jeff Goodman about as a rated prospect.

Hunter Dickinson plays for Kansas, used to play for Michigan. Zach Eady. Zach Eady. Where's he these days? He plays for Purdue. He's a Memphis Grizzly. Is he having a good year?

Actually playing pretty well. Yeah, he's playing pretty well. Donovan Klingon from Yukon from the the national title team at Yukon We got a Keishon George autograph Keishon George autograph Camila Cardozo Was an awesome South Carolina player She's in the WNBA now and Stefan Castle another Castle, another one of those Yukon guys who was spectacular for Danny Hurley.

So we did not get our Caitlin Clark autograph, but we're hanging in, we're hanging in. We got more packs. I ripped the pack of the football Prism draft picks and I hit this out of there. And it's Josh Proctor, the former Ohio State defensive back, but it's gold to 10. Ooh, very nice.

It's the best thing you can get, the gold. So maybe I'll give that away to an Ohio State defensive back, but it's gold to 10. Very nice thing you can get the gold, so maybe I'll give that away to an Ohio State fan or something, but that's a nice card. Well, I'm very excited about the possibility here, because if I pull a numbered Caitlin Clark autograph, I feel like the kids college fund is gonna rise there. Yeah, I mean, depending on which one it is, if you pull the gold one, I feel like the kids college fund is gonna gonna rise there. Yeah, I mean, depending on which one it is, if you pulled the gold one, it'd be worth like 50 grand. So yeah.

Whoo. Let's go. I mean, every single time you open that box, like you're scratching off a lottery ticket. Tell those kids to study hard. You might be able to go somewhere really good. I feel like we should open up another one, but I think we've got to get back to the show. We do. We do. We got to talk with Jeff Goodman, who's one of my favorite basketball people. And there's a little scandal going on right now. And Jeff's reporting on that. But also we've got tournament coming up very, very soon. He helps get you ready for that and for the coaching carousel because Indiana is about to have a job opening. Here's Jeff.

We are honored to be joined by Jeff Goodman. You know him from the Field of 68, the Goodman and Hummel podcast. You work with Rami Hubbell, Rob Dosser, everyone named Rob. Like the field of so big that Tom is those team hits a buzzer beater

to beat Maryland and is those on the show like four minutes later. It's incredible. Yeah, guys. Listen, I appreciate you having me. Uh obviously, um I have a lot of respect for what you guys do. I

actually I'm not lying here. Uh you guys are the only college football show I watch. I mean, you're the only one I watch. I watch in the mornings and I think you guys have great chemistry. You guys do what we do. Same thing that our goal is to what? Inform and entertain. Right? Exactly. We have fun. We screw around. We're immature. We're all that. But we're gonna inform while we're doing that. And we have a blast. Well, Andy, we gotta, we gotta let me return the favor here. Jeff, uh, I went to Arizona, worked with the newspaper. You've been doing this for, for a long time at a very high level. And, you know, we were all there, you know, what's it then 15 years ago now, like you were like the epitome of what we wanted to be when we grew up. So it's really cool that you've been able to find success doing what you've done for as long as you've done.

And I'm happy that you're here because you know, we have that connection of where we went to school. And for you, it's a cool thing to say, like for me, it's like, who do you root for? It's like, oh, I went to Arizona. They're like, oh, okay. But it's cool that you're here and thank say. Like for me, it's like, who do you root for? It's like, oh, I want to Arizona. They're like, oh, okay. But you know,

but it's cool that you're here and thank you so much for the kind words. Now, I need you to teach me about college basketball because I don't know anything. Can I can I start with gambling which already doesn't know a lot of it. Hey,

can I go back before? Yeah, before we go to that, you gotta tell Ari a little bit about our background staples and the the the Florida the the Billy Donovan story years ago that I think we literally broke like at the same time. Yes, we went to the magic and then went back and it was like pre Twitter days or maybe early Twitter days. Yeah. I don't think Twitter existed. Maybe it existed. Maybe it had been invented. I certainly didn't have a Twitter account. Because this would have been 2007.

So Billy wins the second national title. He takes the magic job. It all was very weird. And the whole town of Gainesville seemed very strange for a weekend, because he took the job on a Friday. And it's Sunday. And I'm just like something's up because Jeremy Foley the AD had flown to go get Anthony Grant. You know Anthony was

Billy's former assistant so he'd flown to go hire Anthony Grant but he turned around and come back without Anthony Grant and we're like something's going on. So I'm a beat writer covering Florida at the time for the Tampa Tribune. I had met Jeff obviously through Florida being great at basketball the previous couple of years. So I'd seen him at all these things. And I get a tip that he's having second thoughts.

And I didn't really know what to do with it. Everybody at Florida was completely locked up. And these are people who would tell me anything. And I'll tell you the rest of the story in a second. Why? But I call Jeff because at this point, I'm like, I don't even know what to do with this thing. And I'm like, I think he might be having second thoughts. And so we both we yeah, we both came out with a story right about exactly the same time.

And Dave Curtis from the Orlando Sentinel, who was also on it at the same time, he and I went over to Billy's house and like rang the doorbell at 10 o'clock at night. And Larry Shiet, who is one of Billy's assistants comes out just laughing at us, just laughing. and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm

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like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm not going to call Billy Donovan's dad and I already have one source but you know, these were the days that you needed to. Yeah, not anymore. For a story like this, one wasn't good enough unless it was Billy, right? Unless it's and Anthony Grant wouldn't answer the phone and then

finally, he texted me back and he's like, hey, Jeff, I can't answer because I don't want to lie to you. So, he just didn't answer which I give him credit and That is that is the most Anthony Grant answer if you've ever met Anthony Grant. So I called I called Billy's dad and I kind of played the game a little bit. I was just like, hey, you know, congrats on him coming back or

something like that. It was totally leading, totally leading. And he had no idea what I was doing. I felt bad afterwards. But I'm like, I got to nail this story down. Billy Donovan's dad, who everybody calls Disco, one of the great people, just one of the great human beings, highly entertaining, like one of my favorites. But so later, Dave and I,

the beat writer for the Orlando Sentinel, we had gone to the first chance we had to see Christine Donovan and said, hey, this is Billy's wife. We're very sorry for knocking on your door at 10 o'clock at night. And Billy ends up inviting us to dinner because he appreciated the hustle. Really?

And he told us during that dinner, he's like, I was so afraid to say anything. And I had told everybody in the athletic department, do not say a word because the magic had made it sound like they were going to take everything he owned, take everything his children might ever own. So it was not a pleasant weekend for the Donovan family, I don't think.

Yeah, that was fun. All right, speaking of unpleasantness, Jeff, you broke a story on Wednesday about four New Orleans basketball players. And listen, New Orleans is not a team we're talking about for the NCAA tournament. But I have a feeling we're going to be talking more about these types of teams. So four-fifths of their starting lineup has been out since late January. Because of a gambling investigation. Yeah, I mean, I'd like to say this is rare and going to be rare, but I don't think it is.

So the school is investigating NCAA is investigating. These guys have not played since then, may not play the rest of the season. You know, a lot of times when this happens, the staff doesn't even know really what's going on. You know, basically they're just told, hey, there were some, you know, abnormalities here within this game, and you might want to just shut these kids down just so we can further investigate. So that's kind of where it is right now, but it's alarming because, you know, I think

again, this is going to permeate college athletics even more as we, unless something happens. And I think it's alarming because I think again, this is going to permeate college athletics even more as we unless something happens and Charlie Baker has made it clear like he wants to get rid of like the prop bets and some of these other things

because as we saw even in the NBA with John T Porter, it's it's fairly easy to be able to do it. Yeah. Like you gotta be kind of dumb to screw this thing up because there's so many different places you can spread your money around. It's

not like you're just going up to a book in Vegas anymore. Yeah, that's the difference. So I worry because especially the guys at the lower level who don't get NIL or much NIL, these these big time gamblers and bookies and whatnot, they can get to these kids. And one of the common ones that they can get them with right now is these first half unders, is something that they can do because, you know, they can tell them,

hey, it's not really going to affect the outcome of the game. You know, you can miss. You can still try to win in the second half. Right. You can miss some shots. Hey, you get four guys forfeit. and again, they're not proven guilty yet. They're just being investigated. But you can get forfeits of the starting lineup to miss shots in the first half. You're in pretty good for the under. Yeah, and also too like when do you shoot it?

In the shot clock and stuff. That's interesting. You know, it's just like, and it's like, that's the thing that is so fascinating because I think when people view gambling, they think, oh, it's like when I'm betting on Alabama football and it's like, there are so many lower tier college basketball games out there with kids who aren't famous, who are easily accessible.

And that's a reality of it. And when you think about the amount of money that's at stake in some of these books, like I mean, I look through it, I'll see like colleges I've never even heard of before on my page, you know, like it could happen. Yep. It does happen.

And the kids are gambling too. The kids are already gambling on other sports. And I say this all the time, you know, my nephews are in their twenties, whatever, you know, kids that I play ball with, softball with, they're in their twenties and I see how they gamble now. And I'm like, man, these guys are gambling on everything. And I worry about them because they don't have that money yet.

You know, they're in their mid twenties. I'm like, you know, like, like to me, I'm gambling on football, whatever, but I'm making decent money at this point in my life where I can. But these guys, you worry about them as college basketball, football players, even if they're not betting on their sport or their team at that point, that they get in too deep. And then what do you do if somebody comes at you?

So do we know yet if this is part of the bigger, because there's a big investigation with the John T. Porter thing that dips into college, and you've had Eastern Michigan, North Carolina, A&T and Mississippi Valley State. I think Sports Illustrated reported that they're getting looked at.

You had the Temple UAB game last year that everybody I mean Vegas or US integrity flagged it right after the game. Like yeah, I don't know if this one they don't know yet whether this one is involved. Again, it's fairly recent, you know, it's we're talking about a month old at this point, but there was a lot of

speculation even earlier this year that there were going to be like 10, you know, low major teams that the FBI was was looking into nothing. You know, big has come out yet, but I I do worry that this is only going to get worse before it gets better. Yeah, and like hate to say it,

but people can probably bet on their own games. They have a friend that opens an account. Yeah, sure. What about the kids? Again, the kids that are Roman players Roman with other players or other regular students who know all the injury information of the team. I mean there's so many ways now and that's the one thing that the accessibility of legalized gambling has created right now and it's it is worrisome for

a lot of reasons. So let us move from that to the wider world of college basketball because Ari and I talked about this on the show, we were talking about the other day, the love for SEC basketball right now sounds like what SEC football used to say about itself all the time for the last 15 years. But I want to ask you, how good is the league this year? Because I've heard Jay Billis say, deepest league since the ACC of the mid-80s. I mean, is this hyperbolic or is it really that good? Well, I mean, the top of it is really, really good. Now, you know, if you look at it, and I saw Oklahoma earlier this year, they've kind of come down

to earth. South Carolina's not very good. LSU's not very good. You know, Texas, Georgia, Vandy's done well. Some of these schools in basketball, college basketball, your resume is built as a league in November and December, right? And some of these schools did very well. I Oklahoma, Georgia, uh uh Vandy, uh some of these schools did very well early on Kentucky even. I mean they

crushed it early, right? I mean they they they'd be Duke. They'd be Gonzaga. They had some. I don't wanna say fluke wins but no, they end up winning some close games. So, I think the bottom is much better than maybe it actually is right now because of some wins early on, but the top man, the Auburns and Florida and Alabama, those are all, I mean, if you told me right now, you could have five schools to win the whole thing

and you're putting your house on five schools, it would be some version of Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Duke, and I don't even know the fifth right now, but those three would be in my top five. And Duke and the ACC, that's the other part of this is when the ACC expanded, you thought, oh, this would be a super conference in basketball. And Louisville's actually good again, but the league itself is down, like North Carolina, NC State, none of those seem to be kind of

holding up the end of the bargain. Yeah, part of it's coaches, part of it's resources, right? I mean, we know, even with football, SEC Big Ten have the resources right now. So they're gonna be good every year. ACC not as much in terms of resources and also, a lot of those coaches, frankly, Hubert Davis hasn't really consistently delivered. We saw Tony Bennett leave the league and be done and just retire and

that really hurts a school like Virginia. Wake Forest, Steve Forbes hasn't been able to get them going. NC State had the run, but they've been fairly mediocre. Syracuse has been down for years now at the end of the Bayheim regime and then the start of the Red Autry era. So BC stinks. Georgia Tech hasn't been very good. Miami is really bad this year, where they have been good in the last few years. the SEC. They're not going to be able to get into the

tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the

tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the

tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going to be able to get into the tournament. They're going. Like I remember Billy Donovan saying like telling me he's like, man Slives on me because Billy played a weak non-conference schedule there. Oh yeah. Really bad playing teams like. I had to cover some of those games. They're awful right? Right Andy? They're awful. Yeah. And I remember him complaining to me he's like, yeah, Slives yelling at me. He's saying that we're kind of the, you know, the premier program

right now in the SEC and we got to step up our non-conference. And I'm like, Billy, he's right. He's right. You just won two national titles. Like, come on, man, step it up. So you mentioned Hubert Davis. I'm curious. So the news this week was Hubert Davis signed an extension and he agreed to it last July, but nobody knew about

it till this week. Was the revelation of that to tell everybody, hey, he's going to be back next year, or does that not matter in terms of any decision that North Carolina's got to make? Yeah, I mean, I think the word that I had gotten all year is he's going to get one more year, no matter what. He's one of their own. Unless he decides to step down, he's gonna get one more opportunity. If you think about it, obviously, you know, year one they were average up until the final month of the year and then they go on some crazy run to the national title game. Year two, they're terrible. Last year they were phenomenal, won the ACC regular season title, went to the Sweet 16 and got bounced.

And this year they've been not very good again. So three out of the four years as of this time of year, as of February, whatever we are, 26, he was either on the bubble or out of the tournament. That's not good enough for Carolina. It's not good enough. Now, again, the buyout will be critical for next year, but probably not because ultimately, if you're Bubba Cunningham, you're saying like,

all right, next year's the year. Either you turn it or you don't, we're gonna give you a chief of staff, a GM, Jim Tanner, a former NBA agent, and we're gonna bring back Boaz Peterson, who was part of the family and has been with the Charlotte Hornet, with Michael Jordan and the NBA,

and he'll help out as well. I just, I feel like part of the problem with Carolina has always been they're so set in their ways and so late to adapt. And I feel like that's the case with NIL too. Now, Hubert hasn't been late with a portal. He actually has changed. He's hit the portal where Roy never did. Roy's biggest thing to me always was like, we never have people transferring. And he was right. Part of the reason why he got out when he did. Hubert has done that and gone small,

but they're still slow to adapt in their ways of just like paying fair market value for bigs for the NIL. They don't wanna do that. Whereas Duke has no problem doing that. No problem, no problem. Young, even Kay was very adaptable at the end. He listened to people, he adapted in his coaching style, he adapted in taking some transfers.

And man, this team with three freshmen in the starting lineup, they are so much fun to watch. So you have a Pac-12 history and a daughter who went to Indiana. Yeah. Do you think... Vitalia Goodman our ace, we've been reported on three, the best reporter in the Goodman family by the way. Yeah, true. And I just assume people knew that I'm happy you jumped in Andy and told people who are talking about. So when can Arizona and Indiana people just like look at the SEC and be like, Oh, you don't deserve to get in. Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing

for like Arizona and Indiana is they're still living kind of in the past. Right? They just are. I mean Indiana schools that are looking their nose down at Indiana and football. That's right. And it's like if you don't adapt and you don't think now Indiana had NIL this year. Like they had 5.2 million. So they have money. They just had a coach that to me was living in the past and Mike Woodson was like coaching back in the 80s with two bags, no shooting, pieces didn't fit. You know, Tommy Lloyd's got a good team. He's just got to do it in the NCAA tournament. You know, they were bad at the start of the year. They've been great in their first year in the Big 12, they've been great. You know, my take, oh, when they got Caleb Love was Caleb, and I still call him Carolina Caleb,

because it's, he giveth and he taketh away, and you have no idea as a coach what to expect from Caleb Love. Again, he can take you to the championship game, like he did with Carolina, and then shoot you right out of the game in the in the championship game like he did with Carolina, and then shoot you right out of the game in the title game. So he's a roller coaster ride. He's talented. He's gotten better in some regards

in making better decisions, but it's just hard to rely on guys like him and Wade Taylor, who's a Texas A&M, a similar type player. Those guys are just, again, you just never know what you're gonna get. So that Indiana job, Mike Woodson has said

he's done at the end of the year. How good of a job, well, I'm right, I mean somebody told him to say that. He never, yeah, exactly, he never really has said it. He's never actually said he's done. He's gonna Dan Monson this thing and make the tournament, but it's sort of like the Brad Brownell, Kevin Keats, the good now because you're you're following you know the end of the Tom Krenner which wasn't great and Archie Miller era not good and Mike Winston so they haven't done anything in so long now is the time to me because the fans are hungry the home court advantage is awesome at assembly hall

I've been so many times lately I just think you need a coach that that understands it and you know again you're gonna have money you're gonna have support I know they've made some cuts in administration lately but they're gonna they're gonna have money for basketball let's be honest so I've said you know it's weird now you know obviously I'm invested because the better Indiana is the more I could see my daughter have seen your next year so I've said publicly, I think they should go after Iowa State's TJ Otzelberger. His buyout went down from like

17 million a year ago to 4 million per my sources. He has done nothing but win at Iowa State, a very difficult place with a payroll of his NILs like 2 million and their top 10 team right now. role of his NIL is like 2 million and their top 10 team right now. Um, so I think he fits. I just don't know if he'd take it because it is a fish bowl. You know, Indiana basketball is, is a fish bowl and they're unforgiving the fans because the expectations still are, you know, final four and it's been so long since the Bob night days and they're still living in those, you know, the glory years back when Mike Woodson was a player, not a coach. So I like Otzelberger, Doug, Greg McDermott at Creighton. Again, don't know if he'd take it. He's 60 years old. But you're not hiring a coach anymore for like 10 years necessarily. You're hiring a coach for like, can you get five good years?

If you get five good years, and they can flip it quick too. That's the other thing with Greg McThermer. You come in and as long as you know what your NIL is for the next couple of years, that's key. So I think those guys are certainly in the equation if they would take it. So this weekend, you got a couple big matchups. You got Auburn at Kentucky. So I think those guys are certainly in the equation if they would take it. So this weekend, you got a couple big matchups. You got Auburn at Kentucky.

You got Tennessee, Alabama this weekend. One that I'm interested in is actually in the big 12, Texas Tech going to Lawrence. Kansas seems to be on hard times. BYU just blew them out the other night. Like how badly do they need to be able to beat somebody near the top of that conference? So I actually just talked to Bill Selfie yesterday about what they need to do to get this thing going. He said we're gonna play through 100-ickens and a lot more

here down the stretch and he said I think we can get this thing going. But there's been several issues here. One is a fit issue. They've got a point guard in Duann Harris and a power forward in KJ Adams, or even the guy who backs him up, Flory Badunga. And none of those guys can shoot the ball. And Hunter Dickens is more of a low post guy.

He can shoot a little bit, but he's not the most athletic dude. Their guards aren't athletic, so they can't get by dudes. So they went to the portal and they got Zeke Mayo, the starting guard, who's from Lawrence, Kansas. He came from South Dakota State. He's been good. Ryland Griffin from Alabama shooter, he's been very inconsistent. And AJ Stor from Wisconsin, who's been good. Ryland Griffin from Alabama shooter. He's been very inconsistent and AJ

Stor from Wisconsin, who's been terrible and they spent a lot of money in those guys. So it's just not really a fit. Bill's been loyal to Dewan Harris and KJ Adams because they're unbelievable kids. Came in with no hype.

They came in as like probably three star kids and but they're not they're not NBA guys. Like if you look down up and down the lineup for Kansas right now. I'm not sure there's a surefire NBA guy like Florida, but now you go out maybe. Well, I'm very excited Jeff, we're gonna have to have you back now we may have to do the tandem. You and Talia because

the women's basketball carousel, they had the first job opening of the of the cycle today. So she's busy. But like, is that does a bell go off in the Goodman house when a when a coaching carousel begins? My poor wife, like, think about this, my wife has had to deal with me in the phone. And, you know, at dinners, right, like, I gotta go, I gotta take this call I gotta write and she thought she was past this because I've gotten to a better point

now you know maybe not this time of year this time. That's because you're a podcaster now. But but now yeah but I still gotta break news not I don't have to. No Jeff we need you to come back before the tournament starts so you can teach our football audience and me about basketball going into this thing. Because you know I'm going to be I'm going to be in Vegas. I'm going to be having the time of my life for the first. Are you going to Vegas for the first and second? Every year. Every year for the first. We're going to be out there. We're out there. The first time I've ever done it because of our deal with Bet MGM, I've always bounced around trying to go to like four games in four days

that first weekend. I'm too old for that now. All right. All right. Like you already, you already made me feel old earlier. I'm going to those are always my favorite days when, cause I'd, I'd always be at one site and Jeff would come rolling through for the one day at that site and just be exhausted. Hey Staples, weren't you with the one in Tampa with the four upsets? Greatest day of my life. Four double digit seed teams win. Yep.

Best day ever, ever. Drake went, right? Like it was at UCONN, lots of San Diego. Remember, it started with a Western Kentucky over Drake. Over Drake. Buzzer beater. First NCAA tournament buzzer beater I'd ever seen in person. And it happened in two feet in front of me.

And I was like, well, nothing will top that. And then San Diego beat UConn. I'm trying to remember the other two. The other two upsets were double digit. Yeah, it was an insane day. So Vandy was lost as a four seed. Kevin Stallings lost. I remember that to Clemson, I believe. Or no, Clemson lost to Vandy.

Yeah. Yes, Clemson was a 12. Anyway, so R, you got to stop by. Forget where we're at. I'll give you the heads up. I'll give you the heads up. I believe. Or no, Clemson lost to Vandy. Clemson was at 12. To Vandy, yeah. Yes, Clemson was at 12. Anyway, so R, you gotta stop by. Forget where we're at. I'll give you the heads up.

Well, if you want to see a human margarita inhaler, I'll be at the Encore Sportsbook. And if you hear anything, any good action, you let me know. Yeah, you're gonna have a good time. You're gonna be working. I'm gonna be face down in the Encore pool by 5 p.m. hopefully.

So, you know, hey, but if we see you out there, that'd be great. I'll be there, go every year, and it's one of my favorite weekends of the year. So enjoy yourself, but come back before. Hey, Ari, the Friday show, after that first day of games, 6.30 a.30 AM Vegas time. Expect you there bright eyed and bushy tailed.

Oh, it sucks. Last year, I was so miserable having to get up that early to set up for the show. We did a pretty miserable. Because I hit the blackjack table after, you know, like after games are done, I'm like, I gotta get the table. Right, because it's like 10 o'clock at night there.

Yeah. But you pay the price the next morning. I'm like, I gotta, because it's like 10 o'clock at night there. Yeah. But you pay the price the next morning. I just realized that I haven't got to wake up at 630 in Vegas and uh not doing real well right now. So, uh hungover Ari is going to be tremendous. Jeff, thank you so

much. No, thanks for havingot wait to see Ari that morning. It's going to be tremendous. I don't even know where I'm going to be because I have to like find a spot in a Vegas casino because I'm not pleased. Please just set up in front of a slot machine. Yeah, I don't know if there's like camera regulations or whatever, but I might have to wake up at like five thirty to figure it out. But we'll figure it out.

The things you do for the show. The things you do for the show. All right. Speaking of the things you do for the show, like some sort of coherent, like analysis of what happened that day. It's going to that show is nonsense. I'm telling you right now. What, what better on Friday? It is a Friday right now. It's grab ass time. Yes. Ari versus the ants. Dave's here wants to know,

so did the ants take over Ari's house? Is he living in a hotel because he won't go to Home Depot? Man places scare him. Okay, so a lot has happened since the end of the show yesterday. Yesterday, producer River and I were killing Ari for, well, it was more for his attitude toward

the person on the phone from his pest control company. No, that's not what happened. That is what happened. But yes, we did get on you a little bit for your unwillingness to try to deal with the ants. We said it probably wasn't a big emergency that you had some ants in your house. Ari, I'm going to tell you, we were wrong. You've been vindicated.

Yeah, so I might have been an asshole to the person on the phone, but like that's how I deal with my anger sometimes. So I got to be better about that. The thing that I just couldn't get out of my head was like everybody in the chat yesterday was like, why would you expect the pest control person to come to your house? It made me feel like I was irrational for thinking that. And like that's not irrational at all. Like you are supposed to pay the pest company that comes to service your

home once a quarter to come fix a infestation of insects in your house if and when that happens because you're paying them to help you avoid those that wasn't avoided. So now you need to come fix it. And I'm not saying they even need to come for free. I'm not saying that they need to put me in first but they should offer a same day service to their customers who pay quarterly

for them to come spray their house. So when they told me we don't offer same day service and you guys are like, it's not a plumbing issue. They don't that's wrong. That's wrong. Pest people come over all the time that day. So I found another person and I left the company that does my house and I called another company and the guy was at my house in an hour like his

his name is Joshua and yeah here's Joshua like roaches or something like that I don't want to like roaches or something like that I don't want to expect someone to come out same day. But carpenter ants, those things can destroy your home pretty quick. Do you think that the person who pays a insect repellent company quarterly to come out to prevent them should be available to you the same day if you need them for an infestation? I would say so.

I would say so. I would say so. I mean, especially with carpenter ants. I mean, those guys eat wood. They destroy your home. They like termites. Okay. So I'm not an irrational person for being upset that they wouldn't come to service the home that I pay them to service?

I don't think so. I mean, maybe during the summertime when it's like super busy, but right now it's slow season. It's slow season right now. Okay. The bugs are starting to come out, but they're not all the way out yet. So in the judgment for whether or not you think I'm the asshole in this scenario for the is a customer now. You are now is my guide. I, I canceled my service with the other company and moved to his company. So we'll see that happens again. But also to the guy came over, Joshua came over an hour after the show was over.

He bombed the entire house with whatever thing they bomb it with. He set up traps on the outside trying to, uh, you know, find the queen in the yard. He can I like to curse with the F word or not? Like, can I do it? Because I want to tell you what he said. We know, I mean, just okay. For those who don't know, we found out we learned this the other day. Apparently, the ad rates for you two go down the more you cuss. Who knew? I'm not going to cuss. He said, I said, we got to get the queen.

I'm like, okay, we got to get the queen because the carpenter ants were here. And he goes, yeah, that effort will be dead by midnight. I'm like, all right, let's go. You're my guy. So anyway, not a single ant in my house since he came over. And here's the other thing that I wanna leave you guys with. It's okay if you're not a do it yourself person. Like I know there's a lot of macho men who listen

to the show who, you know, they fix their radiator and like if their HVAC goes bad, they crawl into the attic space and they fix their, and they're just men's men. But it's okay if you're not capable or don't want to do those things. I think we work hard and if you have the ability to do so, I know that not everybody does, but if you do have the ability to do to pay an extra hundred bucks to have somebody come take care of a

problem in your home that you don't feel equipped, it's okay. You don't have to be a macho man. Okay. I'm not a macho man. I am a person who is ill-equipped to deal with issues and circumstances that occur in my home. And I'm happy to pay somebody who is specialized in that field to come take care of that problem.

And guess what? The problem I ended up having was carpenter ants. I guess those eat wood. And if I would have just tried to hit raid the way that everybody on here told me to do or go to YouTube, that wouldn't have been a sufficient solution. It wouldn't have been a sufficient solution to the issue that we had. So here's the thing. Sometimes YouTube isn't the answer.

Sometimes you need somebody who knows what they're looking at to fix the problem properly. And he goes, yeah, I wouldn't have waited a few days for these people to come. You wanted to get rid of this. You don't want these things in your house. And it's like, yeah, no, I don't want to look at them but I didn't know they were dangerous to the wood of my, you want you don't want these things in your house. And it's like, yeah, no, I don't want to look at them, but I didn't know they

were dangerous to the wood of my home. And guess what? The queen is dead. Okay. I wouldn't have gotten the queen is dead. Ding, dong, and I apologize for ripping you yesterday. I think if you are a pest, I'll take that one. That if especially in a, maybe I didn't say this on the show,

but the company that told me that they were not available for same day calls was a company that I am paying, I'm recurring customer. Right. They service my home. It wasn't just some of the folks in the chat missed that yesterday. Like this is that they pay,

you pay them for the preventative. And so they're supposed to come when you have an acute situation If I have an acute situation that I don't specialize in they're supposed to come alleviate me of that problem No, you were you were spot on with your decision to leave the company The funny the funniest thing about it though is you hop in there. I'm just sitting there chilling before the show Or he's like hey River on the phone. Hey, you've got 45 seconds. I've got 45 seconds before the show starts. I've got ants in my house.

I lost this stuff. I got a little girl. Like, I need you to come over here. Is that what it was? Right. That's the thing. Like River and I were not getting it because River and I both witnessed the phone call. I actually wish we had gone live during the phone call because I think the chat would feel differently about all of this. Now we have no problem with your right as the consumer to get the service you want and that you deserve. It was more of that piece of it. The thing is for me, and like this is something I need to work on,

but I have my number one pet peeve in my entire life. And it's not just with pest control, so everything is when simple things are made difficult. And when a 45 second phone call turns into a 20 minute phone call, it's I'm a customer, I have an infestation of ants in my house, I need you to come fix that today.

Okay, what's your name and what's your address? And do you have a window between 12 and five will be out there? What if they don't have anyone available? Then if you don't have anybody available, like maybe you could do what I did, which is go find somebody else to take care of your problem if it's urgent. But the thing the person answering the phone doesn't doesn't care if they keep you as a customer because they're making, they're making $11 an hour, like their boss cares, but they're not paid to care.

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Don't tell the customer that you don't offer a service. If your schedule is full, then say that, but they said we do not offer same day appointments. And you heard that. Yeah. This is where the person on the phone might be in trouble. And the cost of a customer might be in trouble. The person that I guess like if you said, like the person on the other phone, I've got 45 seconds to figure this out. It wasn't to be rude to the person.

It was to say, I only have 45 seconds before I've got to go do this. Um. So maybe they might have taken that as rude, but it's like, okay, this is a very easy phone call. A very simple request. Here's my name and my address. I need somebody to come out here to get rid of this ant colony. Can you please do that? Yes, sir. We'll do that. Like it's not like it's like it doesn't need to be that hard. But um, um, I think that I do think I do smash the number says already just thinks

there are people waiting for emergency calls for any infestations like any infestation. People are like firefighters or something. I think that, but I do think that pest control people should have people on call for infestations the same day. I do. I think that's a that's a service that everybody who runs a pest control company should have. And if you don't, people don't want to live with bugs in their house, whether they're dangerous or not. People don't want it, okay? And Raid would not have fixed the problem and how to find the ant colony.

The good news is we got a really, we got a great lesson in capitalism yesterday. This company that you were contracted with did not offer the service you desired. You founded a company that did offer the service you desired. They are now getting your money. God bless America. Yeah, yeah. And she would have said, Hey, I need I need three minutes to figure this out. I would have been like, Okay, I'll call you back after the show's over. You know what I mean? Like, if it would have taken longer, it was the

thing that set me off as we do not offer that service. You know what I mean? Like if it would have taken longer, it was the thing that set me off is we do not offer that service. I got you. Listen, I've been the a-hole on the phone plenty of times in my life and I regret it. Every time.

The thing that you need to recognize is the main problem in America right now with businesses is you keep saying the woman who makes $11 an hour doesn't care if you leave. And it's like that is the attitude that I picked up on. And that's why I got upset. So if you don't care if I'm your customer, or you don't want to service me for my request, that's fine. But if you don't care that I'm going to be an asshole, like that's it. Like that's it. If you don't care. Like, could you imagine

like if we didn't care if people watch the show, I care everything doesn't care. Because everybody who calls her yells at her. Everybody. I know. If she would have been, hey, I understand how frustrating that can be. We exist to stop that from happening and we're going to do everything in our power to stop it from occurring right now.

And every once in a while you will get somebody who does that. And every once in a while you get somebody who does that. You know, do you know what happens to people like Joshua? They wind up running the company because they're, they're climbers. They're going somewhere, but not everybody's climbers. Not everybody's going somewhere. Yeah. And like the thing is, is that like that call cost her company probably thousands of dollars because I pay quarterly for maybe it would have been years for them to now they don't have that money. So Joshua's company does and good for you, Joshua. I'm happy that you came and not only did he come, he fixed the problem. I haven't seen a single aunt in my house since he got here.

Shout out Joshua. Joshua's getting it done. We love you, Joshua. Ari, I love you too. I was wrong though. I'm willing to admit I was wrong on this one. Very wrong on this one. And I'm sorry. It will not stop me from being wrong the next time that I have an opportunity to make that same point. But

Scott, are they a sponsor now? Not yet. They get a freebie. It is that I'm filming a pest control guy in my bedroom, like for the show. Like I asked him, hey, I'm going to put you on a podcast. OK, and he was like, I listen to a Washington commanders podcast. I'm like, perfect. It's a big he's a big Joshua's a commander's guy.

But if you're a college football guy, maybe he listens to ours now. My I hope my letter carrier, my US mail letter carrier listens to us. So the big Florida State fan, which he hasn't had much fun the last year, but we're still going to help him out. So Joshua, thank you. Thank you for going to Ari's house, get rid of the ants. You made a friend for life, or at least until your company pisses Ari off and he yells at somebody on the phone. We love you. We'll talk to you Monday.