Andy & Ari On3 - HOT SEAT RANKINGS: Which coaches are in the most danger?

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

As the coaching carousel received another addition in LSU over the weekend, it's time to name the coaches who are currently on the hot seat and could be looking for a new job upon the conclusion of the season. Andy & Ari start their conversation in Auburn, Alabama, where the Tigers are hosting the Kentucky Wildcats this weekend. Which coach's seat is hotter? Find out here as Andy goes through his list of names. (0:00) On Today's Episode(0:55) BetMGM(2:39) Intro: Hot Seat Rankings(8:50) Hot Seat Bowl: Kentucky at Auburn(18:48) Hugh Freeze with Auburn(21:07) Luke Fickell at Wisconsin(23:16) Jonathan Smith at Michigan State(28:10) NC State and North Carolina(34:44) Previewing Brendan Sorsby(35:05) Brendan Sorsby joins the show(49:46) Cincinnati at Utah(50:35) PaniniAmerica.net(55:00) What's next for Deion Sanders at Colorado?(1:07:07) Conclusion: Thanks for Watching! After the hot seat conversation, Andy & Ari turn their attention to the Big 12, where the Cincinnati Bearcats and Utah Utes square off this weekend in a massive game to dictate the rest of the Big 12. Cincinnati QB Brendan Sorsby joins the show to discuss Cincinnati's jersey combos, the resurgence of the Bearcats, and the shiftiness of Sorsby's run game. Later, Andy & Ari take a look into the Colorado Buffaloes with Deion Sanders. This past Saturday, the Utah Utes blasted the Buffaloes, 53-7. What does the future hold for the Colorado Buffs football program? Andy & Ari dive deep into Boulder. Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. We’re also brought to you by Panini! Panini delivers the most collectible sports cards and memorabilia on the planet. Check out the new exclusive Arch Manning collection or the Panini Prizm Draft Picks College Football series. Visit PaniniAmerica.net to start your collection today. Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/-9ddYrtfiZ8 Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today's episode of Andy and Ari on three, we rank the hot seat situations. Yeah, there are 12 FBS jobs already open, but there are more destined to open up. Who is on the hottest seat? Is it the loser of the one we're calling the Hot Seat Bowl? The Kentucky Auburn game between Mark Stoops and Hugh Freeze will also rank the other coaches on the hot seat. Plus, Cincinnati quarterback Brendan Soresby joins the state. show. One of the best quarterbacks in the country should be a Heisman candidate. He has a huge game at Utah this Saturday night. Also, we talk about Dion Sanders. We haven't talked about him

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our longest emergency show and show history when Brian Kelly got fired. LSU's open, Florida's open, Penn State's open, Arkansas's open, UCLA's open, Oklahoma State's open. It's huge, 12 FBS job openings already. But Ari, there are going to be more. This could be a historically large coaching carousel, and we need to figure out

who's in the most danger right now? Yeah, that's going to be quite the undertaking. I'm excited to do it. All I know for sure is we are going to be in November the next time we watch college football Saturday, which means there isn't going to be a quiet Sunday for the rest of the year, I don't think. And everybody's doing it fast, everybody's doing it quick. And, you know, I had this thought before we started recording, Andy,

that you know how sometimes when you look around at the NFL draft? and you're like, oh, this is a light receiver year, or this is a heavy quarterback year, like quarterbacks or players in general who are going in the NFL draft, like consider how many other players, their position that are actually elite are also in the field.

Do you think, like, people who are on the fence about their coaches ever consider how many other people are in the market? Like, I feel like everybody is going to be in the market. There aren't a ton of bona fide, clear-cut decisions. Like, does it behoove any of these people to maybe swallow their pride

and give it one more year because you don't want to be on the open market with 19 other elite level places or is just the new normal in college football? I think what happened last year where people held off is going to make them do it anyway this year. What you are saying is perfectly logical.

Like there are some schools, especially on this list that I have of potential openings that should probably look at the candidate pool this year and then look at the number of openings. number of openings and say, nope, we're not taking part this year. But I don't know if they can do that. I think their fan bases will be so upset, especially because their fan bases are seeing all these other schools making changes saying, we hear you, we hear our fans, and we're going to make a change because we know you're tired of what's going on here. And so I don't think it's going to

stop anyone. Yeah, you know, because it's like LSU becoming open. Like if you're a Penn State fan, you just go, crap. You're a Florida fan. You just go, oh, God. Like, because I don't know what's going to happen with Lane Kiffin, but even if Lane Kiffin goes to LSU, that means that another candidate that's highly sought after will pick Florida and thus that'll be harder for Penn State. It's like, you know, I don't need to explain it. It's like a domino effect.

So think about the jobs that we're going to rank today. Some pretty good jobs. Right. And jobs that if you make the right hire, you change the whole trajectory of the program. but the right hire is going to be hard because everybody else is trying to make the right hire too. Should Auburn be open when Penn State, Florida, and LSU are open, ever? It's a good question.

It's a good question. Now, this is similar to 21 when you had USC LSU and Florida open and then the USC and LSU openings created Oklahoma and Notre Dame openings. We may see something like that. Do you think that there is going to be a coach that won't come up on any hotboard that just get post? unexpectedly like that happened twice or three times in 21? I think it's possible. I do think it's possible. I would give you, if I could, I'd give you a name,

but that's sort of the point of the thing is I would have never said Lincoln Riley or Brian Kelly. Yeah. I'm trying to think who that person would even be, like just as a parallel, but then that would create speculation that we think they're leaving. It would be Marcus Freeman, but again,

I don't think he's going anywhere. His name on every hot seat list that you can imagine. Like I'm talking about, was Lincoln Riley, was his name on the hot seat list? was connected to LSU, which I think is kind of funny. He doesn't have the same agent anymore, but he and Brian Kelly had the same agent at the time. And it was funny because they sort of let the LSU stuff fester so that people would ask about it. So that when he got asked about LSU, he's like, I'm definitely not going to LSU.

And he wasn't lying. But the USC thing had been, when he said that, the USC thing had been in the works for weeks. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of coaches that, like, I don't know, I don't recall this. You have a better memory than me, but I don't recall. call like Brian Kelly being on every hot seat or hot board. He wasn't on any hot boards. No one said Brian Kelly is going anywhere. Not a single person.

Who's a semi-successful to really successful coach that won't appear on hot boards that would just shock? Dan Lannning is sort of off them now because he's made it abundantly clear he's not leaving. That's pretty much the only one. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if we'll get a, oh my God, I cannot believe that happened to move. How we got a Sark rumor last weekend. Like, I don't know that we're going to get anything like a bad.

Steve Farquishan just took the LSU job. Wouldn't that feel like Lincoln Riley taking USC? That would. But I don't think that's it. I happen. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like, we got into a big argument about like Oklahoma's, uh, on the hierarchy of good jobs.

And like, I think that Texas to LSU doesn't make as much sense as Oklahoma to USC. But even now you can make the case that USC isn't as good of a job as local. I don't know. Uh, it's complicated. Well, actually, can I, can I ask you a question? Should we have Oklahoma and Brent Venables? on this hot seat ranking? I didn't have them on my initial list.

I didn't see them, but I think we should. It probably would be on the bottom part because it's not fiery hot yet, but like we are two weeks away from it being scorching if it goes the wrong way. Yeah, that's the thing. I feel like they need to finish two and two and two and two of the last four and he's fine.

But two and two of the last four with their last four is not easy. It's kind of difficult. So, all right, let's start with the video that inspired me to create this segment. Our friend Matt Jones, who came on the show a couple weeks ago, so he's on his show on Kentucky Sports Radio talking about the future of Mark Stoops. And we've said multiple times that our visit with Matt two weeks ago changed our perspective on the whole thing and made it not surprising when LSU did fire Brian. Kelly made it where we were figured it's perfectly plausible that Florida State might fire or Mike Norville.

Here's what Matt said this week about Mark Stoops in Kentucky. Here's where we are for the future. I know this for there's rarely I say certainty. I'll say some certain. I'd say we're now at 85 to 90% chance we'll have a new coach next year. I think more important than the specifics of the game was kind of how it played out. specifically and part of this was because it was raining and part of this was because it was at nine but the fourth quarter was empty yeah you were there how empty are we talking uh very

empty actually someone sent me a good picture yesterday it's just unbelievable how the only people there are wearing orange the only way it could be different is if in my opinion is if they were to win three like if they were to go six and six which would mean beating Auburn Florida and then either Vandy or Louisville, right? Does anyone on this show disagree with that? No. Do you now think five and seven also means a change? Because I do.

I do. I guess I'd have to see who they beat to get those five wins. I don't think the game's left on the schedule that impressive outside of Vandy. I think the administration has said, let's wait a week and let's see what happens at Auburn. Not that like Auburn could save his job, but Auburn could be the final nail, Ryan. That's how I look at it. Do you agree?

Yeah, they go on the road. They get embarrassed, don't play well. I think that would maybe be the final nail on the call. And at which point, then I think there would be completely open to having the discussion of, all right, how do we end this? And starting to have that discussion with Stoops as people. Still, I think the people believe around the program, there's still a way to win six games. Now, we can all think that's ridiculous.

But when you're in that locker room in your plane, you can't think it's over. No. You still got five games to play. And I think they look at it and say, is it insane that we could beat Auburn, Florida, and won of Vandy in Louisville? Well, I mean, I guess it's not insane, right? It's got a small percentage chance. You could pull that off, I guess. Oh, my.

All right. Actually, River, put Kentucky schedule back up, please. Here's the problem with this. obviously they're underdogs double-digit underdogs at Auburn. Florida's fired its coach so hey whatever but they're at Vandy Vandy's clearly better. They're at Louisville

probably better. There's that Tennessee Tech game sitting there on November 15th FCS team I know but are you do you perchance know what Tennessee Tech's record is this season? I know that they are very good and are in position

to are they undefeated they are 8-0 yeah there ain't no i know that i don't know if you texted me this or somebody was texting me about this i can't remember who but yeah so i'm going to put mark stoop's number one on the hot seat which again the mark stoop's possibility of him not being there next year that is the one i thought was completely impossible that no one would pay that kind of buyout which which is $37 million, all do it once within 30 days of the firing. If someone will do that, people will do anything.

So I'm going to put Mark Stoops number one just because it's either Mark Stoops or Hugh Freeze. Like whoever loses this game is probably the one going first. Like Hugh Freeze, if he loses, definitely fired. So you have one of those two number one because it's impossible for one of these two teams one of these two coaches not to lose on Saturday. Right, exactly. So because Stoops is the double-digit underdog and because he would change quarterbacks,

I'm going to put Stoops number one. Are we, just because I want to make sure I do this the same way as you? Are we doing this in terms of like which one is, is your seat hotter because you think it's going to happen sooner? Who's in the most danger of losing your job soonest? Yeah. Okay, because here's what I was going to say. I was going to put Norville number one.

because he's the only coach on the list that has a statement that basically said we're firing him at the end of the year. I don't disagree with that. One to be fired, though. So if he's not, if so if that's... Well, okay, but Ari, who does Florida State play this weekend? Who does Florida State play this weekend? I don't know if it's...

Oh, yeah. Wake Forest just beat SMU. Wake Forest should have beaten Georgia Tech. Justin Dickard has Wake Forest playing way above where anybody thought they'd be this year. Wake Forest can go win at Doe Campbell. if Wake Forest beats Florida State in Tallahassee, that might be it. Yeah, I mean, there isn't a reason to believe that that can happen

considering the four-game losing streak that Florida State is on and their most recent outing. But if it's who gets fired first, I guess he gets pushed down the list a little bit because my understanding is that the statement is that we're not making a move until after the year. So he won't be the first. I think he might be the most likely. But Matt Jones would know more than me about Kentucky. It seems crazy to me that Kentucky would fire Stoops in the middle of the year.

Now, let me ask you this, because I've been thinking a lot about Stoops. You know, when we first started podcasting together four or five years ago, maybe it's been longer than that. Like you and I both had a mutual admiration. And that's where the bit that he had the best job in America came into play and the buyout terms are part of that, but also you don't really need to do much in order to keep people happy there. That, A, has changed because he's been so successful.

They aren't happy with, you know, five and seven. six and six. You have to go out and win eight, nine games to make them happy. But do you think that Stoops in general as a coach, we're talking about a person that was at least under consideration for the Texas A&M job a year ago, is cooked, or do you think that the situation has just run its course and that he can be successful somewhere else? That's a great question, because obviously he came to Kentucky with a great plan, one that he executed very well, and that was go into Ohio, go into Big Ten, territory and say, hey, Ohio State isn't offering you, but how about you come play in the

SEC? It was a great idea. I do think people have copied it to. I also think certain people in the Big Ten have noticed that and taken advantage and said, you know, no, you can stay in the Big Ten. We'll pay you good NIL money to stay here. So losing Vince Merrow, obviously, who is his kind of recruiting concedulari, too rival Louisville, that hurts. I don't know. He also was doing it a time before Cincinnati was a power school and before NIL, when all the things changed. I think it may have run its course.

I don't know. Although if he comes, like if you put Mark Stoops at an American conference school, I bet he'd win a bunch of games. Yeah. Yeah. It's how do you put him in a position where his smarts and connections to Ohio can help him amass a shockingly good amount of talent in comparison to the teams that

he's playing on his schedule. But like, yeah, so I don't know. I feel like the amount of money is just so much. And the term of when it needs to be paid back is so much. And Matt Jones did come on the show, Andy, and say that they're doing a bunch of fundraising and spending on expansions of buildings around the area and the athletic department and stuff. like will they actually do it soon like if they lose Saturday is he gone Sunday I don't know that I think that's the case I think they might I think like Matt said you just go to the people

and say all right we're going to work this out we're going to make this happen if I'm Mark Stoops and they come to me and say they're firing me and because they're probably going to ask to do a reduced one I'd be like no absolutely not you'll pay me every dime you owe me. Yeah. So now the other side of the coin here is Hugh Freeze. Correct. Correct. And if Kentucky loses this one. Yeah. That's enough. Kentucky's not very good. So like I'm always amused by if team that's not very good and is a double digit underdog loses a game on the road to a team that is better than it, we found out new information that we didn't know that before the game was played. like that thought process of like Mark Stoops loses this game he's out it's like what did you learn by the loss that you didn't know today nothing I guess maybe you want to see if you know they can get up the mat and win a game they're not supposed to does that like change your mind but in terms of like the long term viability of him as the coach at Kentucky the entire they're holding out hope that he can get him to a bowl this year yeah but your number one thing is always about the seats did you see the picture that they posted yes

the weekend. Yes. It was a ghost town in that stadium. Yep. And that's exactly what it looked like right before they fired Joker Phillips and hired Mark Stoves. Right. All right. Now to Hugh Freeze.

I think Hugh Freeze will be fired on Sunday if he loses on Saturday. I would agree. Because you're home and you're playing against a team that you're supposed to beat, you're a 10 and a half point favorite. Like that, to me, from an optic standpoint, is far worse than Kentucky losing. Yes. Yep. And I think now you've made the quarterback change that everybody wanted you to make.

And maybe that works. And if it does, if Ashton Daniels plays as well as he did in the second half against Arkansas, you don't have anything to worry about here. You're going to be in Kentucky. You're going to move on if that happens. Doesn't that make you want to lose your mind if that happens? It makes you mad as an Auburn fan. Like, why did you do this earlier?

Yeah, right, right. Like if the fix was right there on the bench, why are you the head coach unable to identify it? I'm watching a, no-in situation. I'm watching the show called Chad Powers. Have you seen the previews of this? Yeah, it's next on my list when I finished task. It's very funny, but I was watching it, and there's a scene very early in the

show about him with his prosthetic face on and like whether or not the coach should put him in the game. And the coach is like, what should I do? Put the other guy in and then ruin both their conferences for the rest of the year. I'm like, yeah, this is exactly how people think in college football. Like it's like, you know, you're not just wondering about how you go win this football game right now you're going to worry about like what does this mean for everyone's emotions and all that stuff um it's you it is me but i also feel like the quarterback decision thing is the

most tricky thing in the entire sport like people get it wrong constantly at all levels all over the country urban mire is one of the greatest coaches in the history of college football and he got it wrong in a season they could have won a national title like people get it wrong all the time but like if the fix to auburn's offense was change the quarter back and now they're good, it's like, holy shit, you blew the entire season waiting to make that move. Like, I almost feel like it would be worse optically for them to be better now because of that. Wow. Okay, now, because I was going to put Norville number two and then Hugh number three, but maybe I should just have Hugh number two. I think Hugh should be number one because

his danger of losing is high and his danger of losing a game that makes him look terrible is the highest. I think Norvels is pretty high too, but yes, I'm with you. Either one of those two, I understand. How about, I'm trying to figure out where we go from here. Why don't we go to another place that it seems like it's imminent? We've talked about Auburn, Florida State, to a certain extent, and Kentucky. Why don't we go to Wisconsin?

Yes, let's go to Wisconsin. The statement from Chris McIntosh confused me. because it sounds like, oh, we're just going to try to throw some more money at this. But I don't know that throwing more money at the roster

is going to change anything, especially now, like you're probably going to be coming off a three and nine or a two and ten season. So why would you throw more money at the roster now? Like, that makes no sense. You ever get in a fight with your wife?

and you know you get into a fight and in the middle of the fight you don't want to lose the fight because that's what people do when they're fighting but then you like walk out of the room or go on a drive or eat dinner alone or sleep on the couch or whatever it does after the fight is over and like look in the mirror and go you know this is my fault yeah or like i'm i'm in the wrong here i need to go fix this um is it possible that wisconsin's in the wrong and they look at themselves in the mirror and go hey we didn't give this guy enough resources to be successful we're going to give him another shot next year with the proper resources this last season to go out and get good players. We're going to invest a shit ton of money in the program that we would have otherwise invested in his buyout.

And we're going to give this one more go. Like, is that on the table? I think it's definitely on the table. I don't think that's a place that makes decisions lightly. And I realize they fired Paul Chris midseason when they fired him. But that was not a decision that was made lightly. And so, yeah, it may be that they just throw some money at it. and so we like as bad as things are you'd normally think to have luke fickle's name higher on this list

i would have luke fickle kind of middle of the pack can i can i give you another name to put higher on the list that maybe in the like in the four or five range jonathan smith at michigan state i don't like his chances right now because he's working for an ad who didn't hire him j bats the new ad came from georgia tech He's the one who hired Brent Key at Georgia Tech. And Michigan State is just, you know, they actually showed more life against Michigan than I expected. But they've lost five in a row, all in the Big Ten.

They're at Minnesota. They play Penn State at Iowa and then Maryland, which, by the way, the Maryland one, Mike Loxley, we've said, we think he's doing a decent job, but they keep losing games, and that may cost him his job. But Jonathan Smith's in worse shape, I think, because if this losing streak, like, what if they, what if they're three and nine? What do you do? Yeah. I mean, we're getting to untenable range. Like, I think that if you know that this is going to be a build and it might take a year or two to get your footing, that's one thing. But they're already like on track to regress from his first year. Like you don't, in this era, you don't get to get worse in year two. You might not be great in year two, but you've got to show signs of improvement. Regression. is the enemy of employment, I think, in college football.

And I'm looking at the schedule right now. It seems like there are potential spots for wins. Like, I don't know, like, I think beating Minnesota on the road would be tough. I don't know what Penn State is going to be by that point of the year. You know, I think you could picture them going two and two in that span, potentially, but I think that would be a pretty good turnaround for them. Like, I think the likelihood of them going 0 and 4 against this schedule is much higher than 2 and 2. yeah and so it's a it's a tough deal and like what what version of penn state do you see because

Penn state will have just played Ohio State and Indiana back to back and you'll just set an open date so maybe that's your spot right there but four and eight's not much more encouraging than three and nine so you need to win the Maryland game too but it is I don't know I don't like it I don't like this situation for him it doesn't feel like Michigan state fans like him very much he doesn't have the the big kind of personality that makes fans love you anyway i'm not saying he has a bad personality this isn't like a brian kelly situation where he's sort of pushing people away i think just they they've not really gotten to know him grow to love him anything like that what is his deal that's the thing like we're podcasters

he's been a job for two years we did talk you know when he first took the job that he took Aiden Childs with him. But like, I used to have arguments with you about Michigan State, like once a month on the old show when Mel Tucker was there. Like, we don't talk about him at all. Whether their plan was or whether that plan could work or if he's crazy enough to figure it out. Like, Mel Tucker was a lightning rod.

And I know it didn't work out. Obviously, it was not going well before he got fired for cause. But like, I don't even know, like, if somebody, like, if I got invited to talk to the Michigan State quarterback club. about Michigan State football in its direction. Like, I would need to, like, spend hours researching that. And, like, I don't know if that's a good sign or not. Like, as somebody who talks about, thinks about watches,

obsesses over college football for 60 hours of my week every week, I don't know the first thing about their plan. And it's like, why is nothing? And if you go cruise the Spartan Mag message boards, that's exactly what their fans are saying. That's what frustrates their fans is what is the plan here. What is this guy's deal? what does he want how it's it's it's a tough one because the trick to to everything in this sport

and even maybe getting an extra year even two of leeway is at least developing a vision or a thought process or a plan that people can latch on to it's like weight loss you don't lose a hundred pounds in a year but you know you'd like to be down 23 after year one so it even looks like you're in the right direction like mel Tucker was at least getting commitments from a high level prospects. They upped up their recruiting results. I think he swung too big and was trying and wasting too much time on players that were getting recruited by Bama and Georgia. But there's no question. He had like a bunch of four-star players that wouldn't have otherwise committed there in the past signed up. He had five-star players coming to visit. I went to wrote a whole story about this gym

that's in south of Oklahoma City in Durant, Oklahoma, where people from North Dallas and Oklahoma City used to go train at and there was like i think david stone used to train there there was a bunch of kids that were like division one prospects training in this random gym by the casino and of course i went because there's a casino nearby of course but like Mel Tucker was there like 20 times i think like he was trying really hard to trying to get dudes like i haven't heard a single thing like that about jonathan smith yeah all right we're going to talk to two more jobs and i think they're kind of in the same vein but very different situations, but they are basically 20 miles apart.

North Carolina and NC State. Dave Doran has lost four or five at NC State, and the rest of the schedule is not kind. They play Georgia Tech this week. They're at Miami in two weeks, then Florida State, North Carolina. So they could win the last two, theoretically. They are probably not going to win the next two, which it basically puts them behind the A ball having to win one of those last two to get ball eligible, but

6 and 6 is not really what NC State dreams of. So I do wonder, has that run its course? Seems like it. So I think that could be one, and especially if they lose one that they're not supposed to lose, which, you know, Florida State's

talented enough to beat them. And the thing is, like, NC State has a, you know, good quarterback in C.J. Bailey, Hollywood Smothers is good. I worried when they lost Tony Gibson to Marshall where the defense would go. And I think you've seen that.

So you got that one. But then obviously the one we've all been talking about. North Carolina, they've lost four in a row. They have not beaten a power conference team. They have gotten better, it seems. Like they were in the last two games.

They lost the last two games in very close fashion. they were running a play, a two-point conversion in overtime that could have beaten Virginia, and Virginia's got a great record. So do we think Belichick and company get over the hook, get over the hump this week at Syracuse? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what needs to be done for you to be like, oh, this is going, okay.

Like, I think the cat's out of the bag with this guy. That's my issue is he's got a three-year contract. he's in his 70s you can't like the Michael Lombardi letter their GM sends the letter where he talks all about the process in the Philadelphia 76ers like you don't have that long yeah and also sucking in the ACC does not get you better draft picks so like I don't think they understand like they did not understand what they were getting themselves into they fielded a bad roster You can say it's because of when they got hired, but I'll point out that Jake Dicker got hired at Wake Forest

seven days after Bill Belichick got hired, and Wake Forest is good. So here's my... We know that Bubba Cunningham wasn't running through hoops to get him. He didn't want him, yeah. So I wonder if they have no choice but to keep him for another year to save face on how terrible the hire was to begin.

with. Like if he's not the head coach at North Carolina next year, my, my understanding or thought would be it's because he doesn't want to do it anymore. I don't think that North Carolina is going to fire him. Okay. I would say that. And that's what I was said a couple weeks ago. But with everybody throwing all this money around, like North Carolina can pay $20 million, be rid of him and be good next year. If they make the right hire, they can be good next year. Do you think the people who pushed for this hire are happy about it? No. Or do you think they're embarrassed?

I think they're embarrassed. And if they're embarrassed, does embarrassment turn into rectifying that embarrassment or doubling down on yourself hoping to be proven right? I guess it depends on the personality of the people who make up. Yeah, that's the question. And you're right. You're asking the key question because if they are doubling down, there's no chance they get fired. They'll all stay here and they'll be bad again next year. If they want to dump out of it, they can just raise the money.

Yeah, but I don't feel like going into the off season that North Carolina is building to something really good. I think next year will be a disaster too. No, because everybody watched this year. It's going to be really hard. You're going to have to pay people more than you would have had to pay them to get them to come because they watch this year. What's the number one selling point now? Like last year, at least you could hide behind the allure of Super Bowls. What's the selling point now?

What's fun about playing for Bill Belichick now? You might meet Jordan. what year maybe because it's different like it's like pop culture and like fashion and apparel and stuff but like when do you think kids are going to stop caring about Michael Jordan no no I don't mean Michael Jordan I mean Jordan Hudson oh I love I love that that's where your head went yeah sorry I couldn't care less about meeting Jordan Hudson sorry I wouldn't even occur to me if I saw her walking around down the street I would cross the street so we didn't touchpats.

Not talking about this. It's so mean. Actually, I would do anything to get her on the record for 20 minutes and just ask her 20 questions. What a show that would be. If you could pick one person. We're not going to be mean to like Pablo Torrey would. Yeah, no, we are not trying to get to the bottom of anything. I'm more interested in this sex shop.

Your mom's working at an owning. Also Adobe Photoshop. Any Adobe Photoshop advice? I'll take it. Andy, if you could pick one guest who had to come on our show for five minutes and tell the truth, no matter what we asked, who would you pick? Hmm.

You can pawn. Jordan Hudson's up there. Yeah, what would be best for our show and what would you, what would be best for our show and what would satisfy my own personal curiosity? It might be two different things. Yeah, Jordan Hudson would probably be, I don't know, do you think our fans or listeners would, in college football fans would want to hear what Jordan Hudson has to say about anything? I think everybody would, not just the people who normally watch the show. I think we get a lot of newbies. Yeah, I don't even get newbies, but I want newbies that will stick around. I don't want newbies who are coming in from like TMZ.

How about Nick Saban? Nick Saban would probably be it for me in our listeners. I would enjoy that. Like every rumor we've ever heard and he, tells us yes that happened or no that didn't have like i would love that i would love that um yeah well speaking of great guess we have one coming up hot seat conversation his coach was on it before the season very much not on it now scott satterfield having a great year at cincinnati but one of the reasons he's having a great year brennan sorsby has been phenomenal at Cincinnati one of the best quarterbacks in the country he joins us next we're joined now by one of the best quarterbacks in the country Brendan Sorsby of Cincinnati who was telling us before

we started recording that if you uh if you liked Cincinnati's uniforms especially the ones they wore against Baylor on Saturday which were pretty awesome with the uh the white with the Sensi all red so that is your doing how do you do that how do you figure out out what the team is going to wear and who do you have to fight on the team to make sure it's what you want. Yeah. So, you know, obviously we went all red versus Nebraska. So a little bit of superstition there. We didn't want to go back to it necessarily. But we knew that we had to go all red for the most part. So, you know, the white lids look really good. And we kind of wanted to Sinti on the side. So I was like, hey, we could go white, red, red with pretty much white

accessories and all that good stuff. So, and then the other captains decided on the SINC on the helmet to match the jersey. And, you know, that was that. So end up turning out looking really good. So I was excited with it. I think that white helmets are the best looking helmets in all of football. And like, do you, do you feel like if you look good, feel good, play good, and win, when you wear a uniform combination, are you more willing to go back to the well there?

Oh, absolutely. We'll go back to the well, you know, all the time. But when you do have the loss and the one loss on the season and the all reds, you're a little hesitant to go back to it. So, you know, you got to find a way to switch it up just a little bit. And the white helmets were a good switch up for sure. Andy, before the show, though, he was like talking about how the offensive linemen aren't going to drip it out as much as the other skill. Yeah, because Gavin Gerhardt's one of the other captains. He's the center. And the centers are usually like the least swaggiest person on the team. They don't want swag. They messes with the snapping hand. Like, yeah, how much is the swag piece of it matter when you're picking all this stuff? Oh, it matters for sure, especially whenever you got the DBs and the wideouts and myself.

I try to hold myself out of it, but, you know, I still got to look good out there. So the linemen have some say, but not really whenever it comes to uniforms, you know, more so the skill guys. you know, the QBs and running backs, all those guys will, you know, want to have pretty much finals, say, whenever it comes to jerseys. So we let the linemen take care of a lot, but uniform combos, not so much more. That's so funny because I know they can't wear the cool arm sleeves and have, like, you know, the creative player vibe where you can make it all that's got. But they'll get made fun of it for it.

No, I know, but they can still pick what looks good, can't they? Like, what looks good? What combination looks good? I don't know. They don't necessarily know what looks good because they don't get to, you know, they don't get to put it on. Sometimes they do get to see, I guess, what other guys look like in it. Yeah.

So, Brendan, you mentioned that Nebraska game and, you know, a little superstition there, but that, you haven't lost sense. In that game with interception, I talked to somebody who was in the locker room after that game, you sulking over what it just happened, you were the one up there getting everybody else kind of rallied saying, hey, this isn't us, we're going to be better than this. What was going through your mind at that moment and how much did what you learned that night about your team affect you the rest of the way? Yeah, like we knew, you know, that game didn't truly have anything to do with our end-of-season goals. And, you know, going through that game and obviously we batted some adversity, especially in the past game.

We knew that we had the talent and stuff, and it was our first game going out there and meshing with the new wideouts and obviously, you know, our first true game. So we weren't too overly worried about it. We knew obviously we wanted to go out there and win. That was, you know, obviously the number one goal that night. But, you know, it didn't go our way. We had a rough ending. We were moving the ball, though, pretty much all night. We just couldn't find a way to put it in the end zone.

So we knew that we beat ourselves that day and that we had a lot to learn from and we could get better. But at the end of the day, we want to end up in Dallas at the end of the season. We knew that didn't have too much to do with that. So it was right back to work. Our guys did a great job of responding, didn't bat an eye. So we were excited to get back out to work, and it shows. How fun is it to be on a player, a player on a team?

If you lose that game, you fall out of the national discussion, and then week by week, you win, you win, you win, you win, and then, like, it starts to build. Like, what's it like in the locker room to see that building process and now to watch Cincinnati kind of inch their way into that discourse? Yeah, winning is obviously number one. And when you win, you start to get more attention from not only, you know, the fans of your team, but just nationally, like you just said.

So when you can find a way to win, everything is better. So we just got to keep finding ways to do that. Obviously, whenever you win, you get more personal accolades and, you know, players get more attention and all that good stuff. So we just got to keep doing what we're doing and stay the course. And at the end of the year, whenever, you know, it's time to give awards out to individuals and stuff, stuff. If we keep winning, then a lot of us will be up for those discussions, but it all starts with winning. So one of the keys to winning was improving your wide receiver core this

offseason. And those guys have been awesome for you this year. I heard you helped a lot in terms of recruiting these guys. And because like, you know, Cyrus Allen came from Texas A&M, Caleb Goody. He was at Colorado State. Jeff Caldwell, was it Lindenwood? Like, how's that work? How did you introduce yourself and how did you kind of get those guys to to believe in in what you guys were doing yeah so i mean our recruiting guys are unbelievable and they do a good job of you know watching and evaluating everybody in the country um and they came to came to me with a couple of guys um and i like these guys that they had brought to me and i end up just you know reaching out whether it was through text or dm whatever i i know like dming them was you know a big deal so um

it was a you know i slid into their dms and told them that they need to come check us out um and they did and you know i think just myself and the staff just being genuine i think they they really appreciated that about us so um it was really just by getting them on campus showing them what we're about and then you know just interacting them interacting with them and um and that was good Brendan i this isn't much of a pop culture podcast we like to talk about ball and food but i like I have to ask you, like, Travis Kelsey gets engaged to the most famous human being on earth and then is at your game in the opener. Like, what, do you have any funny, like, Kelsey stories or, like, is there anything that,

like, do you meet Taylor Swift? I mean, what's it like to have that level of fame, like, at your game? Yeah, I mean, it's pretty unreal, obviously, you know, just everything about it. But didn't get to meet T. Swift. I wish I did. maybe one day down the road. But I did get to meet Travis. He's a really cool dude.

You know, he seems genuine and just a lot of energy. So that was cool. No crazy stories yet. Same thing. Maybe down the road a little bit. Maybe I'll have some crazy stories to share. No, it just seems like a good dude, him and Jason, a lot of energy and love the Bearcat.

So that's what I think that Jason Kelsey would probably take exception to the fact that offensive linemen don't have swag, right? Wasn't he, like, named the most handsome man on the face of the earth a few years ago by some stupid magazine? Listen, you're asking a quarterback. He's going to stick up for every center. Brendan, you started your career at Indiana and, you know, have kind of been through a lot of different things as a quarterback. But I want to take you back to your first career start. So, 2003, first career start against Ohio State.

Were you wondering, like, is this for me? during that first game. Yeah, not necessarily at well, you know, is this for me, but I was definitely like, I don't know if I'm ready for this quite yet. You know, I think kind of opened my eyes to like just a level, you know, preparation that it takes to come out here and, you know, execute at a high level. I would say that was the biggest thing that stood out to me.

And then just to speed, obviously, you know, I never, I didn't start a game from high school until that moment. And it was definitely a, little bit of an upgrade from high school to Ohio State. So it was a fun time, you know, going out there, getting the feet wet, but definitely open my eyes to the level of preparation that you've got to prepare. And I know you're locked in on Cincinnati, but like, do you ever look back at the program that you started your career at and then look at what it's now? And like, do you even like recognize it? Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's really impressive what they're

doing over there. Still got a lot of buddies over there. So, you know, I'm always rooting for them. they're doing a really good job over there props to those guys props to the staff over there they're doing great things so got to ask you you had one of your teammates

mentioned that you look like Lamar Jackson out there against Baylor and I'm sure when I say that you laugh people are laughing but let's go to the video let's go to the video watch this

who I mean you're just like I I got that video by Googling the phrase Brendan Sorsby taking ankles, and it's the first thing that popped up. It's also the first hit that comes up when you type in Lamar Jackson, Google. What is that moment like? Take us through that play, and what do you see when you catch a snap there?

Yeah, so I saw a lot of grass, and it was just kind of last second that he came into my vision, and I was like, well, somehow, some way I got to make him miss. and then I end up pulling that out of the bag so it ended up working out for me whatever you want to call it and the high step's just you know I don't know what I do with the high step

it just kind of happens so no complaints to walk into the end zone but you're more of a run people over kind of guy or at least have been in your because for those who don't know you're huge like you're 6-3-240 and so

did you know you had this in you? Yeah, I've always had a little bit of shifting in me, you know? Last year I was kind of abusing the spin move. We did it out one game, but it could work. And then after that, it was like, all right, Brennan, like, you don't have to spend every single time that you, you know, come in contact

with somebody. But, you know, I think just whenever you're a one-on-one, I think you have a better chance of scoring if you can make somebody miss by trying to juke them out or something rather than just run through them. So I leave running through people to Tawi. And then, and, you know, I'll get a little shift here now and then. Yeah, I would like to know what else is in the bag.

You know, maybe you dust off the spin move and bring it back now that it's been a while, you know? Is there a hurdle? You got a hurdle? Or was Satterfield kill you if you hurdle somebody? Well, if it works, he wouldn't kill me, but if it didn't work, he would probably kill me. You know, we're not nearly,

I'll speak for me, and he's pretty athletic. You wouldn't. I'm not, no, I can bear my shoes without catching, without losing my breath. But the thing that I will notice is a spectator of the sport. I watch a lot of football, dude. So many people hurdle when they shouldn't.

Like, I think that people, like, you say that you, like, abused the spin move. I think people hurdle at, like, the worst times. And, like, a team lost a game over the weekend because somebody jumped for no reason. Like, it's like, you have to really not give in to the temptation because I feel like not, if there are 10 hurdles, nine of them are awful. And there's only one good one. But one, if you're not a sake one. The one that hits is special.

No, but all the time nowadays, like people are hurtling and, like, the defender is standing straight up and it's like, okay, so you're either going to catch a flying knee or you're going to get, you know, body slammed. It's one of the two, so. Yeah. I don't know if I feel too comfortable yet to hurdle people, but when the time comes, the time will come and we will see if it works out. But you're starting to creep up on Heisman odds boards. I mean, you might need to hurdle somebody to get that moment, you know? Yeah, I mean, late in the year, if it's still trend in that direction. And, you know, it's going to come down to whether or not I hurtle somebody.

I might give it a try, but, yeah, we're more room for that. We'll address that one of the time. Yeah, I'm getting a call right now at Scott Satterfield. He said the interview's over. So just let you know right now. All right, one more question, though. You guys are headed to Utah, late, late kick. One of the great road environments in the new big 12.

And Nippert's its own special environment, too. Kind of similar, both bigger city schools, very compact stadium where people are just right on top of you. How much do you think you're seeing what teams face in your environment will help you when you go to an environment like this? Yeah, it'll help us a lot. And then also playing at the neutral site, neutral site against Nebraska in week one. It was extremely loud there. And, you know, I think that's going to help us as far as going on the road in a really loud environment, having to probably use the silent cadence and everything

like that. We'll be ready for it. It's going to be an awesome environment. It's going to be, you know, you got college game day there, a great atmosphere with the fans. And, you know, obviously it's a night game. So it'll be a lot of fun. You know, we're going to have our work cut out for us, but we're going to be ready for it. What are we wearing?

Should be some, I think they're going blackout. So I think we'll be in some variation of white. So we'll see what we end up putting together. But I don't think it's going to be all white. We'll see. Okay. Don't think it's interesting. Because everybody's like, you've got to be stormtroopers.

The stormtroopers were the most incompetent fighting force in movie history. So just remember that when you think about all white, remember that and resist it. Like I said, I don't think it's going to be all white. It might have a little bit of black in there. Okay. Renan Sorgeby, good luck. this weekend. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate you.

It's been fun to watch it. Thank you all. That was Brendan Sorsbyn. We will see what the Bearcats are wearing at Rice Eccles Stadium. When we tune in late, late Saturday. Aria, you and I are going to be doing the post-game show during that game. Can't wait. Yeah, Eastern time kind of speeds things up a little bit, doesn't it?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's something the world moves on. It's cool. Yeah, yeah. Eastern time. You're at Eastern time, right? Hell, yeah, I'm Eastern time. Dude, you are, like, I feel like I'm really tired at the end of Saturday. I can't imagine that extra hour that you're up. Oh, it's, listen, when Stanford beat Florida State and I was just reading the Warcham message boards for an hour afterward,

I went to bed at 3.30 in the morning. It was glorious. Glorious. All right. Let's talk Panini, though. before we talk a little bit of Dion Sanders, visit pinini America.net to start collecting your favorite college in NFL stars. Ari, of course, has his stacko nukes on his desk at all times. I have a pack of Panini Select H2 right here. We are looking for disco prisms. We are looking

for shiny, shiny things. Let's see what we got. Ari. We got Tip Ryman. We got a former Gator, Kyre Elam. Former BYU Cougar, Taysam Hill. We got a little prism. Former Buckeye Denzel Ward. Oh, you may have heard this guy. Lamar Jackson. And Ari, your fantasy team is calling,

it's Kyle Pitts. I'm never going to give up on you, Kyle. Ever. A couple of things. former Gators in the pack. Kyle Pitts and Kyriele. Okay. As part of this discussion, I've lined out some cards here. Okay. What do you think of Jackson Smith and Jigba? Do you think that you can say that he is a top three receiver in the NFL right now? Or do you think it's still premature? Not quite yet. I think, okay, so Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase are the two best. Clearly. We can

agree on that. No debate. T. Higgins, even though he's on the same team as Jamar Chase, and they're not, Joe Flacco can kind of throw in the ball. I do think a Mecca, Buka, if we're talking former Ohio State receivers who have the chance to be really good, but I think JSN is further along, for sure. I think that the third best would be Amman Ross St. Brown. I think you're right. Yeah, that's a good one. So I'm like in kind of a tizzy, because I collect players that I wrote recruiting profiles about when they were in high school.

And obviously a lot of the players that I collect are Ohio State players because that was where my job was. And J.S.N's in his hometown, right? Like, he's from Seattle. No, J.S. He's from Rockwell, Texas. He's in Texas. Yeah. But I did a bunch of stuff on him when he was a recruit. So I bought a bunch of his cards hoping that it would pan out. I've got a PSA 9 contenders cracked ice auto and that one's numbered to 23. This is one of the most sought after JSN cards on the face of the earth. I have a tied-eye. prism out of that product that you just pulled um 25 that's a PSA 10 i've got another tie die uh this one is a club level one PSA 10 got rookie optic autograph right here PSA 10 out of contenders so you are you are heavily invested in JSN i have a million really big JSN cards and i'm trying to decide whether i should limit my exposure now or hold them longer and so here's here's what I would say, I would say wait and see what the Seahawks do at quarterback because I don't think Sam Darnold is the quarterback of the, of the long future.

Because so much of those, too, is pop culture. And I feel like JSN is starting to become really cool to like kids, too. You know, like dunking on the, on the goalposts every score, you know, he's going to see. He's super smooth. He's very cool. He's very giffable. He's very, you know, his highlights pop. He's got a name that you can make into a.

a three-letter, you know, abbreviation. Yeah, and this is cool abbreviation. Like, it was like, you know, Justin Jefferson is Jay J-Jettos and Jamar Chase is just Jamar, like, he's going to have a nickname too. Like, I don't know what to do here, but I'm sitting on a bunch of JSN product. So, um, anyway, those are some of my favorite cards. I have PC cards that I'll never sell.

Um, but these cards I were investments and I don't know whether to cash in on that investment's kind of like gold. Like, do you sell gold? I don't know. This is better than gold. You don't sell gold. Keep the gold, just like your dad. Panini, America.net, to start your collection.

And speaking of JSN and the Buckeyes, we got the Ohio State Blaster boxes. These are so cool because you might pull a big Jeremiah Smith card. You might pull a big Julian Sayan card. Those guys, obviously, as their careers advance, are going to be big time. Panediaamerica.net, start your collection today. Ari, talk about a guy we have not talked about in a long time.

who we used to talk about a lot more. Dion Sanders. Yeah, interesting conversation. I think it's a delicate conversation. I don't, yeah, because I don't think this is a, we'll start with Colorado got destroyed by Utah on Saturday. And Dion Sanders came out after the game and was completely upfront about it. Here's Dion after the game.

I got a lot of respect for Coach winning. And he kicked my butt today. It was one-on-one with me and him, and he won by a significant margin. Love him, appreciate him, love his endurance, his longevity, the attitude of his team resembles the attitude that he has for himself. This is bad. It's probably the worst being I've ever had, except for women. My mama whooped me as a kid, 422 yards rushing.

He ain't winning. You're not winning. 300 yards, you're not winning. 250, you're not winning. It's not capable. Total offense, 140 yards, you're not winning. You're not running. They had 587 yards of total offense.

You're not winning. With that, special teams gave up a fake punt as well as a block punt. you're not winning so all three phases we got our butts kicked um kicked let's go not wrong now colorado's lost three of the last four they are one and four in big twelve play they did beat iowa state which that's a pretty good win They have, I would say, winnable games against Arizona and West Virginia coming up. And if you could win both of those, then your last two, you can win one and get bowl eligible. But the question is...

Their last two are... The state and Kansas State, by the way. Yes, those are going to be much harder. K-State, maybe not. We'll see. They're kind of up and down. On the road, though. The question is, do we think Dion's...

Sanders can build something at Colorado or did it just kind of end when the Louis luggage left? So here's the thing that I thought was interesting. And you even said it yourself when you started the show or the segment, I should say. And now next, we're going to talk about a coach that we haven't talked about in a while, but we used to talk about all the time. Yeah. There's nothing to talk about. And I don't know if that is when the sexiness.

starts wearing off like when he first started it was new it was exciting you were on the edge of your seat now it's kind of just like what is the plan for getting you know systematically better year over year i mean that was always the criticism for colorado right and he did much better i mean they didn't win a bunch of games but they were better as a team i think in year one year two certainly got better year one of year two year two was the build to the next thing and then he got quarterbacks to come in to replace your door and it made you feel like hey you know things are going well

but like in the portal era again it comes back to the same criticism of if you're not signing classes and maintaining players to the level of which you I know he's capable of then are you just who whatever

you're just a product every year of what you happen to get out of the portal and whether it hits and then also I know this is an incredibly difficult and delicate situation because Dionne Sanders also just overcame something that no human being should have to overcome from a personal health standpoint. Well, and this is, okay, but that piece of it, so he had bladder cancer, he had to have his bladder removed.

He's also recently had an operation to treat some blood clots. I don't doubt Deon Sanders, yeah, I don't doubt his desire to be a good coach at Colorado. Like, he's proven that. The fact that he's coaching it all now, he does not have to be doing this. man's made his money he doesn't need this like he's clearly doing this because he wants to be a good coach of colorado so all of the idiots like me who wondered if this was daddy ball or any of that it's not he wants to do this and he's doing more than most people ever would because most people in his situation would be like i'm shutting it down and so i do wonder what what it is what does it

look like going forward if it's not sexy if it's not something we're all talking about if it is if they are just a just another big 12 team and you know the importance of his quotes because he's like those that was an interesting quote that he gave I haven't been whoop like this since my mommy whooped me when I was a kid or whatever he said like he's always a dynamic personality a highly entertaining personality and like actually feels like I would like in terms of getting lunch with would be a cool guy to eat with, you know. But if you go four and eight, your quotes become less important because they don't, they don't really amount to what's going on in the sport.

Like at the beginning of his tenure, there was still the fantasy that Colorado was going to do something magnificent, that they were going to go to the playoff, they were going to shake the paradigm of the sport, they were going to be a new big dog. But, you know, there are a lot. lot of coaches who say interesting things and act in a really interesting way at places that aren't winning that no one it doesn't it doesn't hit so i do think that like for dion to be successful long term the results of what we get on the field have to match the bravado off of it the bravado is only important if you're good so i still think that he could get the attention

of any high school player in the country i still think that dion sanders is a famous interesting person that can recruit his ass off if he physically is able to do so so I'm not at the position where I feel like oh the program is cooked yeah I don't think that either and if I'm Colorado like I want Dion to stay as long as he wants to stay

because they're still selling more tickets their crowds are better but the question is will they continue to sell more tickets where their crowds be better if they go four and eight two years in a row probably not but that's that you give him the benefit of the doubt because he is selling you tickets and he is getting people in the

door. And yeah, if the results aren't there for two years in a row, you may lose those people. And it's funny because not funny. It's just it is what it is. It's the same discussion we had earlier in the show about Kentucky. It's a discussion we had about Virginia Tech earlier in the season, UCLA early in the season. The seats tell you everything. LSU, Saturday night. The seats tell you everything. And Colorado is still sold out. But let me

take you through another thing to wrap it around to the beginning of the show. If this year's coaching carousel were happening at this time last year, would Dion Sanders' name be on every hotboard that we're

every single one? And how many times have you written Dion Sanders' name in a board that you've done it on three this year. Zero. And the one in his alma mater is probably going to happen. There's probably going to be a published hotboard for Florida State at some point. And his name probably goes on it just based on connection.

I don't even know if it does. But if it does, it's based on connection. Like he doesn't have. Do we think that he has what it takes to lead a team that like going seven and five or eight and four isn't a success? like do we do we think he has what it takes to lead a team that wants to win a national title and it's not even think it would be hard to hire him at this point and part of it too is out of his control because like I you know I covered Thad Mata at Ohio State's basketball and you know he's back in the game but like there got to a point where you know the greatest coach potentially in Ohio State basketball history that brought Greg Oden and Mike Conley and John Dibler and all these guys the co to Ohio State was an tremendous recruiter they went to the final four multiple times during his tenure. Jared Selinger, DeAngelo Russell, like they brought a lot of really good players through Ohio State. The man has back problems and he had a hard time getting on an airplane. Like there

are certain things that you just can't do or that you have to be able to do from a physical standpoint as a coach to get the most out of. So like part of this is like not even his fault. Like I think he's a badass for battling through it for sure. But like could you hire Florida state's coach if he is unable to travel every week or if he's unwilling to travel every week. Like, I don't know that there's another program in college football that would allow Dion Sanders to run the program the way that Colorado has given him the leeway to run it, right? No, I don't think so. Not at a higher level than Colorado.

It's so hard. It's like you could say like how many other college football programs would allow their head coach to be away from the program for months on end during the off season. But on the other hand, it's like, well, he was also battling like a major health problem and had to be away from the program. So like I don't know like how to, but like if you're like if he was the head coach of Florida State last year when this was happening, like could he be in Texas for two months? It would be hard. It would be hard. So I do think the good thing is he's at Colorado. I don't like he's working hard at Colorado. He's doing the best he can at

We have my respect forever for what he's done. I'm not worried about that. It is interesting, though. You brought it to the right place, this conversation, because you're right. This time last year, his name's on every hotboard. And I think now it would just be difficult to do that. So let's see how he finishes the season. But I am curious to see what the next steps are because he's going to have to continue to build this program up.

like it's going to need to get better than it was this year and he's going to have to build the roster better and I still believe he can do it. So, and maybe a year, an off season where he's not dealing with all this other stuff. I still don't think that he could go get the next Travis Hunter. Yes. I don't disagree with you.

I think he could go get a badass safety or a badass corner and a badass quarterback and a badass receiver. Also, Lejante Western was really good. They had a lot of good players last year. Three Horn Jr. Yeah. How did they get better last year? Because Gian Sanders is a genius?

No, because Dion Sanders is a genius and getting players to play for him. Like, I think he can still get players to play for him. But I don't know if, like, there's this, like, steady build of Colorado getting better a year over year before arriving as an annual national title contender. I think it's, you know, you might have a really good year one year. You might be pretty bad the next year. And it's going to be kind of like the luck of the draw. As long as they aren't recruiting high school players that they intend to have in their program for, like, 20 of those a year. Like, there is no building process.

It's the same thing we talk about with every other transient program that relies a lot on the portal. What can you get in a one year and are you going to be lucky? Like, are you going to be good this year? You're going to be bad. And I think that's where I feel about Colorado at the moment. We'll have to see what happens the rest of the way with this team. Again, they got a couple of winnable games in a row. Can they get it turned around?

We'll find out. Tomorrow, Mega board Wednesday. Oh, my God. The message boards are on fire. on three had its highest traffic day in the company's history this week. Can't imagine why. We have so much to talk about.

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