Andy & Ari On3 - How far would USA have to go in the World Cup to TOP Indiana & Curt Cignetti's national title run?

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

Happy Friday! It's a Dear Andy & Ari day to close out the week, and the listeners have sent in some excellent questions to start the weekend. Although the USMNT lost to Turkey last night in the World Cup, the United States made it out of group play and are preparing for the real tournament. One listener asks, "What kind of run must USA make in the World Cup to top Curt Cignetti's national title run at Indiana?" Andy & Ari dive into this interesting question.   (0:00) On Today's Episode (0:50) Presenting Sponsor (2:40) Intro: Dear Andy & Ari (4:05) World Cup and the USMNT (5:25) Mauricio Pochettino (11:37) Folarin Balogun (15:11) An Insane Big Ten Scenario (23:02) Coaches in the Big Ten (23:51) Schiano Discussion, Rest of the Big Ten (27:02) ZenAI (28:11) Who Am I? (35:11) QB Battle and the locker room? (48:45) Teasing Monday's Draft, Week 1 Schedule (55:42) Story behind a picture from 2014 (1:02:48) Closing out - thanks for watching!   After the guys discuss the World Cup, the fellas switch gears to the Big Ten and an insane scenario sent in by our guy Daniel. Could eight teams really finish 10-2? What would the playoff look like if it did? Andy & Ari dive into this bizarre college football scenario here.   After that, it's time for a game of Who Am I? How many guesses does it take Andy this week? Watch here!   Next up, are QB battles good or bad for a locker room? Andy & Ari dive into some of the more notable QB battles throughout college football's history while applying them to the ongoing QB battles in Gainesville and Tuscaloosa.   Check out Zen AI Here: bit.ly/zenAI_bpp_andyandari   Thanks for watching!   Our show is also presented by BetMGM!   If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works:   1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB. 2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. 3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sure you use bonus code CFB when you sign up!   Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary.   See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. This promotional offer is not available in DC, Mississippi, New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET (Available in the US) . 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only (if applicable). Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel Check out Zen AI here: http://bit.ly/zenAI_bpp_itf   Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join   Watch us on YouTube! https://youtu.be/N1tBGqCx47Q   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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It's a full mailbag show. We do have a Who Am I in here. But the draft will be on Monday. We've moved our traditional Friday draft to Monday. When we get to the fourth question, it will all be explained. But we got some good questions. We like drafting so much, we thought we'd make it a whole episode, right? Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, but this is a really, really fun part of the week, too, because I love to hear what people are thinking about. And there was one particular psychopath that came up with the most unbelievable scenario I've ever seen. So, I'm super excited. And I mean psychopath that is a term of endearment, by the way. Oh, no, in only the nicest way because this is a person who clearly is sad that we no longer have the Atlantic Coast Conference coastal division anymore where maybe all seven teams could finish four and four. And that was that was the goal at one point.

But this might be even better. First, we got to talk about the thing everybody's talking about, that's the World Cup. I've actually been watching quite a bit of it, Ari. I don't know about you. My son and I got into it. We were on our trip up to the Northeast to do some football camps and go trips around New York for a few days. And we ended up watching quite a few games. And I have been pretty engrossed even though the scoring's not high.

My issue with soccer in general is nobody scores. And you have rules that prevent people from scoring that you really don't need. But the drama and the intrigue has been fun. and watching the U.S. national team has been fun because it seems like they're pretty good this year. I've been getting crushed, Andy. And I obviously don't know the first thing about soccer, but it's been entertaining to watch. And I feel like they're scoring more than I was expecting.

You know, I know that the first week it got kind of- Well, against Uzbekistan, they are. I mean, like 0-0-1-dra a little bit. But, you know, I think that the coolest thing about it is that I know how much, the rest of the world cares. And if there's a chance for America to be better at the thing that they care about most, I find that to be quite funny. So like I, as an ugly American, I would relish the chance to hold that over their heads. The thing you care about, it's like maybe number five on our list of sports. We're better than you. All right. That brings a story question from

Dan. Longtime listener, first time email. My question is how far with the U.S. men's national team have to advance for Mauricio Pochitino to challenge Kurt Signetti for the best coaching job in the last year. According to sports reference, Indiana was plus 10,000 in August to win the national title. And the ESPN article for the U.S.

men's national team had to plus 6,000 at the start of the tournament. You explore the rise of transfer for Nana Mendoza, who ended up going number one of the Raiders, based on the season performance to Fowler and Bolligan, who, quote, unquote, transferred from England's national team to the U.S., and based on World Cup performance is rumored to be under consideration to sign and start for Barcelona next year. Thank you, and I'll hang up and listen.

This is a very good question. Like, how deep do they have to go for their performance to be as incredible, amazing as Indiana winning the national title? My thought process is they have to win at all, no? I don't even know if they have to do that. I get to the final. because I think the U.S. getting to the semifinals would still be considered a pretty miraculous outcome. I think the quarterfinals, even if they're as good as people think, and full disclosure, we are recording this before they play turkey on Thursday night.

We have not seen the turkey game. We're assuming they beat Turkey. If they didn't beat Turkey, then they're a bunch of turkeys. But they also still won their group, so it didn't matter. My understanding is that they are a pretty good team that has no shot to win when they start playing the real teams, right? Is that a fair understanding of it? Well, no, they could beat them. Like, they have a puncher's chance to beat a good team, but they probably couldn't beat three or four really good teams in a row.

So the expanded playoff for Indiana last year. Exactly. The parallels are pretty good here. Yeah. I mean, I guess like the thing that's interesting about Indiana is that if they would have done, like I think about this a lot. If Indiana would have done what they did last year, two years ago, like, I think it would have been even more unbelievable. Obviously, it would have been because it was year one for Signetti. But I think people lose sight of the notion or the fact that Indiana went from complete afterthought.

No one's even like considering them as even good to making the playoff in year one. So, like, for me, like, people kind of saw Indiana at least coming a little bit once they got good again the next year. It wasn't completely out of left field. And my understanding is that America has been getting gradually better over time. Now, they haven't done it yet. The U.S. Men's national team, I think, going into the tournament, if we were to put it in college football terms, be like the team that finished ranked 19th in the country last year. Yeah. So, like, that's, like, you.

You know they're pretty good. They can beat a good team. They can beat a top 10 team. They might be able to beat a top five team. So, yeah, I do think they are actually starting at a better place than the Signetti Indiana teams started. Which is why I would say they would have to win it all because Indiana also had to slay the traditional powers along the way.

It would be one thing if they got like an easy draw and it was the 14 field and they didn't really have to play anybody at their peak. But they beat one of the best, most talented Ohio State teams in the Big Ten championship game. they beat the crushed Alabama they crushed Alabama but they just beat everybody that we thought was Spain and Argentina

along the way so I don't know enough about soccer to be 100% comfortable with this but we view Kurt Signetti's accomplishment as one of the single most remarkable stories in all of sports if you if the USA is number 19 overall winning the championship in the World Cup

you know to use your your attempt to explain to me how good they are, I still think that winning at all is the answer. And the other thing too is that you may be right. How much do Americans, and I don't have a sense for this, so I don't have an opinion about it, but how much would Americans celebrate

if they got to like the games that were right before the final? Like would that be something that they remembered forever? Yeah. Yeah. They'd be the best American. in men's national team in history. Yeah. But how much pride do people do you think will they take in that long term?

Like, or is that like a cool thing? I think soccer fans would take massive pride in it. I think the casual fan is like, ah, call me when they win. Yeah. I don't know. Do you disagree with what I'm saying? Or do you?

No, I think you're probably right. Because I think we've had enough time to sit with the Indiana National Championship and they were so good. it's like, okay, Indiana won the national title. You kind of need to shake yourself a little bit and realize, no, no, Indiana won the national title. Like, that happened. Something that two years ago you would have conceived to be impossible.

I remember vividly when we were, you know, at the very beginning stages of doing this show together, Andy, that we would play this game of, could Nick Saban lead a team to a national championship? And we just pick random programs on the country. And I'm pretty sure we picked Indiana and said, And we were like, nope, absolutely not. I don't think that we should understate how remarkable what Signetti did by saying that,

I mean, this is something that people in America in college football, you know, are going to remember forever. You know, like this isn't like a cute little story. Like this is the beginning of potentially a dynasty or not a dynasty in the sense that they win four or six years. But a dynasty in the sense that they're a top five, top ten team for six, seven straight years now. So, you know, I think that like what Kurt Signetti did wasn't just, lead a team to a title, but he also built a program that seems to have a pretty good chance of some high-end sustainability of being really, really good. So I don't know if any like consolation prize or especially if they're not just like one of these teams that's losing six nothing. Like if they're a

ranked team in the AP poll right now, then go do something remarkable. I think the answer is winning it. So the Fowler and Balligan transfer portal comparison is great too because you know his story, right? I don't. I don't even know who that is. So mom is British and was staying in Brooklyn with family, visiting family in Brooklyn while pregnant. Oh yeah, I have heard the story. Yeah, he got. Essentially, they realized probably too pregnant to fly home. So stayed in the U.S., had her baby, and then traveled home.

So he was able to play on the team even though he's English? He's a citizen, yes. So he grew up in England and was, you know, obviously going. through their academy system. And, but I think, I'm trying to remember that these, I think you would have made their national team probably, but he certainly wouldn't be playing as prime of a role as he plays on the U.S. national team.

So he had to make a choice of, of do I want to try to continue playing for England or do I want to play for the U.S.? and he chose to play for the U.S. And now he's in a much bigger role and obviously playing really well. So as, as Dan pointed out in his, in his question, he's going to get paid because of this and be, you know, high profile signy, potentially Barcelona, obviously one of the one of the clubs that can pay the most. I am afraid of having an opinion about this because I know it's very complex.

And there are a lot of- Are you going to wait into the birthright citizenship debate? Yeah, go right ahead. That's exactly what I'm getting at. Are you serious? Don't know. Not now. I'm totally joking, Andy.

I'm saying, yeah, I'm going to get into one of the most heated political debates right now amongst people on our podcast. No, what I was going to say is there are teams that have players that aren't actually like citizens of the country in the sense that they're living there, right? Right. Like, and it's like it's sort of like a world baseball classic where every American player whose last name ended in a vowel who didn't make Team USA got picked for Team Italy. I'm just curious from your standpoint, like, if the USA wins the World Cup and the best player on the teams actually from England, like, I don't know, is that cool? Well, but he is an American citizen. Yeah. Like, we wouldn't be here.

We didn't have to cheat the system to make that happen. No, no, I know. He's an American citizen, but would he be playing for America if he was better in playing for England? Probably not. Do this out of out of, so like, it's wild. I mean, how often does somebody do that to us in basketball or baseball? Yeah. I mean, as long as he's got the jersey on, he's representing our country,

but it'd be like, it's just like he's British. We're all American when the stripes go on, baby. Yeah. Well, I hope they win. It's been fun to watch, and I'm like, I live in one of the host cities. There's a lot of soccer fans in Dallas right now, and it's been really cool to see, like, people discover barbecue and stuff. By the way, like going to Terry Black's bad idea right now.

Oh, is it, it's all people in scarves? It's just a bunch of people from overseas that are just like trying to have America's greatest delicacy. And Dallas is a great city for it. It's a big city. It's a beef rib everybody. Yeah, the big, the big ass beef rib. That's right.

All right. Next question comes from Daniel. And Daniel is our favorite kind of person because Daniel has gone deep into the Big Ten schedule and come. up with this scenario. Are you ready? I was looking at all the Big Ten schedules and figured out there is a world where eight teams finish 10 and two overall and seven and two in conference play.

Those eight teams are USC, Oregon, Washington, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois. This is possible if these teams win every game outside of playing any of the other seven and protect home turf in conference games with the exception of Oregon winning at Illinois. If that happens, you have 10 and 2 USC with losses at Penn State and Indiana, 10 and 2 Oregon with losses at USC and Ohio State, 10 and 2 Washington with losses at USC and Oregon,

10 and 2 Penn State with losses at Michigan and Washington, 10 and 2 Ohio State with losses at Indiana and USC, 10 and Michigan with losses at Oregon and Ohio State, 10 and 2 Indiana with losses at Michigan. to Washington and 10 and 2, Illinois, the loss at home to Oregon, and a loss at Ohio State. If the teams in this group lose a non-conference game, but would not change the fact that eight teams finished seven and two in the league. So that feels like a tiebreaker that would involve a coin flip, or a random drawing to see who plays

for the Big Ten championship. But Daniel's not done. The more interesting exercise is outside of trying to figure out which teams get left out of the playoff in the group of eight is what happens to the coaches of the teams who finish at the bottom half of the conference. In this world, I project that UCLA and Iowa finish 8 and 4 or 7 and 5, and 4 in conference. Rutgers is at 7 and 5 or 6 and 6 and 6 but finish 4 and 5 and 7 but finish 3 and 5 and 5 and 5, but finish 3 and 5 and 7 in conference. Nebraska and Northwestern both finish 5 and 7 and 2 and 7 in conference. Maryland's 4 and 8 in conference. Michigan State's 3 and 9, 1 and 8 in conference, Purdue is 2 and 10,

1 and 8 in conference, and Wisconsin is 2 and 10 going 0 and 9 in conference play. I would think that Bob Chesney and Kirk Farrants would be safe, but I can see all four coaches being, I can see four coaches being let go in this scenario. Fickle, Matt Ruhl, Greg Shiano and Mike Loxley, and the four others, PJ Fleck, Ryan Braun, Pat Fitzgerald and Barry Odom, entering do-or-die seasons in 2027.

But more importantly, how would these fan bases and the bottom half view of their programs knowing they were trying to catch the established coaches and brands in the top half. Love the show. That's so much here. There was a lot to unpack there, and I was trying to follow along while reading and listening to you. And the thing I like about the question, Andy, is that there wasn't a lot of craziness there either.

Like, they all seemed like fairly reasonable. I know maybe some of them are not. I mean, all of these teams winning every non-conference game. So this means Ohio State is one. So Ohio State definitely makes the playoff. Because this has Ohio State losing two conference games, which means one loss or one of their wins is at Texas. So that's good. It means Michigan's beaten Oklahoma, so that's good.

So I think Ohio State and Michigan should feel pretty good. Yeah. I mean, anybody was a big-time non-conference schedule. But could you imagine? This would be so funny. Now, I really think most of them would make the playoff. There's eight of them. I don't know that eight of them would make the playoff,

but I think six of them. Six of them would. Yeah, because you would have a lot of cross-pollinization from teams that won big-time games. So like Ohio State would lose to two teams, Michigan, who would have a win over Oklahoma, and we're anticipating that's going to be a quality win, would have lost of two games, and all of them would have beaten each other. And I guess that kind of would have been the perfect manifestation of what the SEC tries to pretend it still is right now, right?

Or maybe it still is. No, it's not because what Daniel is positing is that there is an extreme top, and an extreme bottom. Yeah. Which is not what the SEC says it is. That's true. That's the exact opposite. But having eight teams that can beat anybody in the conference is what the SEC thinks it is.

Correct. The top of it, yes. And it probably makes more sense in the Big Ten mathematically because they have two additional teams that are cellar dwellers that are seller dwellers that would allow this to be possible. I think, I didn't go to medical school, but this wouldn't even be mathematically plausible with two less teams, right? Correct. Correct. Yeah. I mean, that's the craziest thing.

I got to the part about the other teams, Iowa finishing five and four in the league, oh, that's right. There's, there's 18 teams. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, but I do believe that six would make it. And it didn't seem like it's, it's not going to happen. It's probably zero percent chance of that

happening. But while you were reading the results of who beat who, I wasn't like, well, that's not. There's no way in hell that could ever happen. Like it's kind of feasible. So like Penn State, we've, We've criticized their non-conference schedule deservedly so. They got an easy draw from the Big Ten this year. But the interesting thing about this one is for this to happen, Penn State beats USC and USC's 10 and two with wins against Oregon.

And who else did USC beat? So, I mean, like they are, they're really good too. Yeah. You know, we have had seasons in the past. Andy where situations like this have happened on the national scale where you had, you know, 12 teams that were hard to distinguish, you know, towards the end of the year. Could you imagine if it all happened in a single conference? I mean, it does go back to like, it is like the ACC Coastal, but like a good version of it.

The ACC Coastal was kind of the most mediocre group of teams usually ever. And the dream scenario was that all seven would finish four and four. Mm-hmm. That would be, this would be incredible if this happened. And again, I don't know how you pick the Big Ten championship game. We don't have all the results in front of us, so I can't like pack them into the web page that tells you who would make the championship game. But I'm assuming there'd be so many ties that you get down to random draw.

Yeah. I mean, I know this wasn't the intention of the question, Andy, but like it also made me grind my teeth about how big the conferences and how much I hate that. But we don't have to go down that road. right now. I just think it sucks. I mean, yes, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, root of all evil, all issues at the end of the day. Like, you don't need 16 and 18 team conferences, because stuff like this can happen. I don't think they like, like, you said, Ari, I don't think this will happen. But, I mean, how much fun would every game be if I mean, it would just suck eight teams were this close to one another? I just think it actually sucks that it could happen. You know what I mean? Like, the way that it's set up, it, it could. It could. allow something like this to happen. But even if it did, now that there's a 12-team playoff, at least

six of the eight teams would have been satisfied with a spot. Like, could you imagine if this, if these, if these, if this happened in the 4-team era? Oh, you had all those teams and it would have just would have been a nightmare. I think at least with a 12-team era, you do have an immediately enlarged the playoff. Yeah. If that had happened. You have enough outs

in the 12-team playoff to make it like not completely destroy what happened during the season. Well, and back to your point, this looks different if USC, Oregon, and Washington are doing this in the PAC 12. Right. Right. I do love that somebody took a pencil or a pen. I know.

Well, can we talk about the coaches? What did you say? Can we talk about the coaches? The second part of the question? Sure. I mean, Luke Fickle's definitely fired if he goes 0 and 9. Like, that's not even. Yeah, when you read the question,

and he said Wisconsin's I went out. I was like, oh, God. I was just like trying to like picture. God, poor guy.

Now, Papist Gerald just got to to Michigan State, so I don't think that's, you're not probably firing him after that. Right. Barry Odom, that's year two,

but still, I don't, you knew it was a tough job. I don't think PJ flex getting fired over this. I think he's, he's built enough equity up. Right.

Yeah. I don't, I don't disagree. you yet. I don't think Shiano's getting fired over this either because he's still the best coach Rutgers ever had. Yeah. We have to like dive into Shiano. Like is he just is he, does he have the most job security of anybody in the country? I don't know. That's the thing. At some point, right. At some point do you expect more just because it's human nature to expect more? Or at some point do you go, this guy is the best we can do because he, he, he, he, he, he can,

consistently outperforms everybody else we try to hire. He has consistently outperformed everybody else, but has, I think, peaked at seven wins in his return. At least with his first stint there, they like broke through and had like an 11 win season. But they were in an easier conference. So, yeah, I've actually had thoughts about that as we're doing the conference listicles that we're doing as a company right now and where to put Greg Schiano in the power rankings

because I had a hard time wondering, like, how do people at Rutgers, like, is it just like apathy, but not apathy because they're so terrible, but apathy because it's just like this is the best it's going to get? Or is there actually like a hope from people there? Like, what's the Rutgers Avenue to being an 11-win team? Rutgers fans right in. I'm curious to hear what you have to say about this because it, I would lean toward apathy or just sort of acceptance that it's not going to happen. But it's almost a different type of apathy. It's not the same apathy that Florida State's feeling right now. No. No, because Florida State, you've been there. You've seen it.

This is different. One other one that Daniel mentioned in here. One, I do not think that Nebraska will actually go to in seven-in conference. I don't think we have to worry about this. But, yeah, Matt Rule would be an interesting one because they did just extend him. But that would be a tough one. I don't think he would get fired. I don't think so either

those people are nuts though well you tend to go nuts if your team goes two and seven in college play no I'm saying they're already and I don't think they're going to do that but that this entire scenario would be just bananas bananas and I'm appreciative

that somebody came up with it and you have to like you love you guys so much you're going to have to like print this out Andy and we'll have to like track it for the first few weeks of the season and just see if it's possible. Do the game by game. Yeah, like you have to isolate the eight teams that are the top of the conference and just make sure none of them lose non-conference games and then just like go into the first week and like this is still live. And like how many

weeks into the season do you think that we could get while it's still live? We should track this honestly. Ohio State beating Texas and Michigan beating Oklahoma are the two biggies in the first. Yeah. You know, because that's both those games are week two. So you got to get through that. And then most of the other ones have fairly manageable non-conference schedules. Right. So, Keith, hold on to that one, though. Yeah, we're going to put a pin in that one.

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he should be an offensive lineman your mic is muted this is so good my head hit the top of the mic and when I was upset and it muted River, pop up here for a second. What's up? We, as we move forward for this,

are not doing anything related to anything we talked about this week anymore. Okay. And it's not your fault. It's not my fault. But if he's been researching the person, because there's no way you could, like, that is an insane thing to know. Like, there was zero details there, basically.

Like, that's a wild thing to pull out of your ass. There's no way. Nobody, let's keep going because nobody that's watching, it's going to get that. I initially thought it was going to be JJ Watt because he signed with Central Michigan and Butch Jones. Did you come into the game knowing I was going to try to relate it to something from this week? No, I did. Okay. Anyway, so we'll keep going for the other people who have regular functioning brains.

He was drafted in the sixth round of the 2011 NFL draft. that's number three. Four, he played his entire 13 year career for the same NFL franchise. Five, he played on the same college team as his brother, which is I thought where you would probably get it. Six, he was named People Magazine's the sexiest man alive in 2023. Did you know that? Was?

Yeah. Jason was? That's awesome. He helped lead the Philadelphia Eagles to a Super Bowl 52 win to cap off the 2017 season. eight he has a trademark beard that everybody loves and makes him look manly nine he is the co-host of the new heights podcast a very popular pop culture sports podcast hosted by him and his brother Travis and 10 he may be a best man for the groom in taylor swift's wedding very nice river of it was that on me this time like i i don't know like there's just did i mess up again like that I don't know. I don't feel like I gave you any information there.

But you're a jam of a human being and you have a, your brain is, I wouldn't have gotten this in a hundred years. You could have locked me in a prison cell with those two clues and I wouldn't have gotten it. Ah. I love this game so much. Dude, I'm just going to turn out the temperature. Because I go into everyone scared to death that we will get to clue 10 and I'll still be like, I don't know who it is.

And people are just yelling. at their speakers or yelling at their computers or yelling at their TVs going, how do you not know this? I'm ramping up the temperature next time. We're going to make the game harder. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, good job, Andy.

I'm proud of you. Congratulations for ruining it for everyone. I'm sorry. You made it too easy. What could I say? You know, you didn't ruin it. It will be funny when, when next. we do this and you ask the questions and it's like some second team Miami of Ohio

guard who graduated in 2003. It's going to be somebody you've never heard of. Right. No, I won't do that to you. But Jason Kelsey is somebody we discussed on the podcast this week and is very famous and his brothers marrying Taylor Swift. But I thought that Travis would have been too easy. But, you know, by the way, I know we said this yesterday.

I think Butch is going to the wedding. he's got to be i think i think so i don't know where it is i don't i don't believe for a second that it's at madison fair garden but yeah i bet you it's that's somewhere in the northeast along the ocean if i had to guess we'll see we shall see but i hope butch jones uh makes good on his promise though and doesn't leave us in the dust when it comes to i mean i i probably depend i am sure whoever is going to that wedding has to sign an india so it just probably depends on how ironclad the india is yeah do you yeah maybe be, well, write in if you can help us out here as a listener, but do you think that people

who listen to our podcast would be interested to hear a football coach talk about what it was like to go to that wedding? It has nothing to do a sports. I'd be more interested in hearing his take on it than Selena Gomez's take on it. It's like, do you have like a crazy story that you ended up eating at the buffet with jelly roll or something? I don't even know who's going to be going to. I also want to know who the football people at the wedding are. Yeah. Like, we're assuming Andy Reid. A lot of Chief's teammates, Patrick Mahomes,

obviously. But, like, who else from Travis's football life? Got the invite? That's a fun one. So all right. Back to football. So frustrated.

This question's from Matt. How does a QB battle affect the rest of the team going into fall camp, meaning are there factions? Do the receivers in linemen work differently for each. Does the emotional player preference side enter into the coach's decision? This is a great question. And producer River put a picture of George McIntyre and Faison Brandon up. So Tennessee's got one of these. Alabama's got one of these. Florida's got one of these. Like a good, you know, good old-fashioned QB competitions. Ari, I want to ask you, because you

covered one of the weirdest ones ever where J.T. Barrett, who actually wasn't supposed to start in 2015 for Ohio State took over because Braxton Miller got hurt in camp, but J.T. Barrett leads them most of the way. He gets hurt against Michigan. Cardell Jones leads them the rest of the way. And then you have a QB battle going into the, excuse me, in 2014, going into the 2015 season, you have a QB battle between Cardell Jones and J.T. Barrett. What was that like? Well, I will tell you this. The day we were in the building, when Braxton Miller hurt his shoulder and it became apparent he wasn't going to be able to play that year

it felt like a funeral in the building so I know for a fact that people were I mean you have to we know how the story played out but you have to put yourself in that building on that day and Braxton Miller just led the team to a 12 and O'S in the year before and was one of the most sensational

no they had lost in the Big Ten championship game to Michigan State the year before was that the year before? Yeah. Oh, this would be his third. year going into it. Yeah, yeah. Right. But point remains, this was going into a very important season where, you know, Urban Meyer had to go in and, you know, Braxton Miller was supposed to be a really important piece to that, Andy. And it was like, I just remember how sad everybody was. It was like quiet.

Like usually, you know, when you go to a football team's practice and it's over, you hear music and people are running and laughing, getting off the field and running back to the locker room, you know, that wasn't the case. And then J.T. obviously did what he did that year and was much better than anybody could have thought. The second year was the one that it really tanked them because they had two really good options. And it was like, who do you go with? The person that led you to the playoff the previous year or the person who actually won the games in the championship rounds, like in the playoff? Because Cardale played in the Big Ten championship in both playoff games, including the national title and helped them win.

And it's like, I don't even know, like, who deserves. serves more loyalty there, the person that got you there or the person that won it when it mattered the most. And I still think that Ohio State would have won the title with JT if he was healthy. So like that. Did you get a sense, you know, going to that 2015 season if there was a preference among the team? Because obviously usually when you interview players, they are pretty cagey about it in the moment. But now the thing that was difficult about that and what was unique about it is is that there wasn't any. clear identifiable team

team JT because both did it like you know sometimes you have the veteran that everybody loves and the young guy who's yet to play they have different styles it's like both people like literally performed at the highest possible level in big time moments the previous year so like you don't have a lot of quarterback battles in general in college football where both people are accomplished on a national championship team so and I think that completely torpedo the entire team because the one person that also didn't know the answer to that question was the head coach,

and it turned into musical quarterbacks and they made a redstone package. He was not, he was telling the truth when he said he made the decision basically on the sideline at the season opening. Yeah, you were at that game, weren't you? I was at the game, yeah. Didn't he, he told Cardale he was starting the day, like in the time?

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But I also think there's no possible way he was lying because the actions throughout that season, Andy, didn't indicate that he had, any idea of who he wanted to go with. Right, because he made JT kind of the red zone. Red zone quarterback where every time they got inside the 20, they put JT into the game,

and that was weird. And, you know, I think that they were very different players, too, which makes it difficult because J.T was like a ground and pound run up the middle and pretty solid arm. And Cario Jones was more of a big arm. And I just feel like people, and maybe the whole reason they didn't make the playoff that following year wasn't just because they couldn't figure out who their quarterback was. they had a lot of players who, you know, made it to the national title game the year before, a year too early, one, and already were thinking about the NFL at that point.

But I think that it impacts teams a lot, especially when there are two very different types of players involved. And, you know, you have loyalty amongst people in the locker room towards one or the other. And I think that the Ohio State one that I covered is maybe one of the most unique situations, like in the history of college football quarterback battles. just because, like, you don't usually get both guys back. I remember, you know, I was with Bill and we were Landis and we were leaving the, everybody thought Cardale was going to go pro, man. Like, and then when he decided to return, right, oh, my God.

Yeah, like, he was. So, but the one thing that I know for sure, and I'm not a coach, and I, uh, you know, obviously have probably would have problems managing people. my thought process is if I were a coach, I would do my best to identify the starter as early as possible and not get to a place like Ohio State did in 2015 where you're telling the starting quarterback in the tunnel.

I think it's important for reps. I think it's important for chemistry. I think it's less distractions where every single time you're in front of a camera, the entire media course asking you about the quarterbacks. And like I think coaches allow it to go on too long. And I do think it's kind of crazy, but how hard should it be?

Like how often are two people who are different ages exactly the same? Like, why is it so hard for so many people to make the decision? Well, it's interesting because the question, you know, brings up the factions. And there are situations when there are factions in the locker room. And a lot of times that's when, well, not a lot of times. If there are factions, it is because you can't tell the difference, really. There's not a clear cut difference.

The one sure way to make the decision and, no, but the one sure way to make the decision and have the whole locker room behind you is if one guy is clearly better than the other. And I'll give you a couple examples of this. 2018, Clemson. Kelly Bryant led Clemson to a number one seed in the college football playoff. They lost Alabama in the semifinals, but had a really good first season as a starter replacing Deshawn Watson.

Trevor Lawrence comes in. It's probably pretty clear from day one that Trevor Lawrence has a much higher ceiling than Kelly Bryant. Like the players probably knew that the moment Trevor Lawrence first threw a ball on Clemson's campus. But...

And we all knew it too. We weren't even there. I remember like thinking like, because Trevor Lawrence remember was a generational to use the show. So Kelly Bryant is a starter at the beginning of that season. and this is the beginning of the four-game redshirt era. This is the first year of the four-game redshirt, actually.

And you're getting toward game four, and it's like, okay, well, it's going to happen. And Dabo makes the decision. And he's like, it's not because it's game four. Of course it was because it was game four. Yeah. Because Kelly Bryant's been a loyal guy, and you want to make sure if he wants to shut it down and redshirt that season and have another year, you can give him that because he's, he's,

graduated and everything. There was no dissension in the locker room because it was obvious that Trevor Lawrence was the better quarterback. And that was a, that was a, it could have been a tricky situation if they'd been closer in talent. But like Christian Wilkins was one of the leaders on that team, like takes, takes Trevor Lawrence to breakfast the day the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the abo names in the starter. It's like, hey, this is your team now.

You, you, you need to, you need to step up. but the part of that behind it was we also have your back. We agree with coach, you are the better guy. Same season before that, Ari. No, was it season before that? Yeah, yeah, it was a season before that. Season before that, Alabama is in New Orleans at the Sugar Bowl practicing to play against Clemson.

Jalen Hertz gets sick and Tua takes most of the reps. And all of a sudden, a ball never hits the ground during practice. Like there was some comments from the receivers. I remember this, yeah. Yeah, it was like, oh boy, there's something going on here. And I think that was a tricky one. And I think, you know, Tua gets put into the national championship. championship game leads them to a win, clearly outplayed Jalen in that game.

But I think as time has gone on, you can see why that was not an obvious decision for Nick Saban to have made during that season. Yeah. Jalen Hertz has proven pretty thoroughly that he's a really good quarterback, a really good leader. Lose side of the fact, too, that Jalen Hertz that year was the consummate professional as it was all happening to. And I think that he had a lot of people in his corner because of how he handled his business and himself.

like even after he got benched. Like he was still like all about the team, all about supporting his teammate. But remember he got mentioned a national title game there. This was before that. This was, this was the team saying, you know. Yeah.

And I think there were questions about, hey, should Tua come back to Alabama if he's not going to be the starter next year? Yeah. Before he gets put in the title game. Yeah. And it was, it was crazy. It, like that one I think, Nick Saban had to manage pretty well

because I do think there were some factions that he had to deal with. The thing I just don't understand, and I've already said this, but I want to try to say it the other way. Like, let's use Florida for an example. Like,

how is it possible that Tremel Jones and Aaron Philo are so close? They are different types of players. They have different strengths. They're from different places. They're like, how could you just be 50-50 on it? Like, I don't understand why.

Maybe they are. I know, but how was it so often? Every time there's a quarterback battle, just we don't know. I will say with the Florida thing, I think it is a credit to Tremel Jones because I don't think that was the plan. You hire Buster Falkner, who is one of the most coveted offensive coordinators in the country.

The guy who's been playing quarterback for Buster Falkner for the last two years backing up Haynes King, Aaron Filo, follows him. That sounds like the plan was Aaron Fylo would be the guy. But, and this goes back to last year when Tramel Jones had to take all the reps for DJ Lagway when he was hurt. Tramel Jones is one of those people that people gravitate toward that teammates love. And he also might be one of those people who kind of meets the moment when he gets a chance. And so I think that's what's going on here.

I think the coaching staff was like, wait a second, we might have stumbled into something here. And now you've got to figure out what to do. And I think that the thing they have going for them is they've got two games. FAU's a little bit tougher, but then they have Campbell. Before they go play at Auburn, I would get a good look at both these guys before I make any decision. Yeah. But I do think that the answer to the question in short is yes, I think it impacts the team. It does.

And it's why you can't get it wrong. Like, I think the wrongest you, I don't know if wrongest is a word. The wrong, the most wrong you can be in this situation as a coach is if you have a clear and obvious, much better player and you go with the one who isn't for whatever reason, loyalty, age, whatever that is. I think that, that's when you, like if Davos Sweeney had stuck with Kelly Bryant instead of starting Trevor Lawrence, that would have been the mistake. Yeah.

But he didn't make that mistake. So, yeah, that is a, that's a great question. And, you know, very timely given that we're looking at this, like the Alabama one, we didn't mention that one as we were answering the question, but Keel and Russell versus Austin Mack, you have the younger guy, the older guy, the guy who's a better runner, the guy who's a better thrower. Like, it's, you've got to figure it out if you're Kail and DeBoer and that's what you get paid the big bucks for. So next question from John.

Hey, guys, I'm curious about where you rank Kurt Signetti on the best coaches list. I see some people having ranked number one. In one other sport, does a 60-something year old one year at a major program win a title and become the overall best coach in the country? Kirby Day Sig? Question mark? Well, John. You're in Londe. Yeah.

Tune in Monday because we were on vacation when we had the On3 series of coach rankings by conference. And Ari and I decided, let's do a coach draft where we just use the whole country. So it's not going to be by conference. It's just going to be one of us picks a coach, next one picks a coach. And we're going to go 10 deep on that. And it was important, too, because Marcus Freeman was not in a conference and we wanted him to be a part of that too. Right, right. We wanted to figure out where he was going to land.

So you will get your answer. to that question on Monday. So tune in Monday. How about that for a tease? Great, great tease. Thank you for serving that up, John. The audio version of like putting a link in the story, you know? It's like just if you listen to the show, I mean, it was good because we didn't want to have two separate lists.

We did the whole episode and I thought we had a pretty good in-depth conversation about coaches and where they belong on the Pantheon on the sport. Yeah. It's also why we're not doing a draft today because we did a full show draft for me. Monday. Reminder, we're on vacation again next week. So we'll have that draft show on Monday. Our man, J.D. Pekyll is going to be filling in on Wednesday and Friday. And J.D., me and J.D. got into it on the, on the socials today, Ari. I saw that. I saw that. Because J.D. is doing the all college football is good college football. How dare we criticize or complain about any college football, saying, you know, it's week one. No, it's not the best schedule

in the world, but we're dying of thirst. And we shouldn't, as, as his producer Caden put it, we shouldn't complain about the brand of water when we're dying of thirst. To which I said to JD, what if the water is warm and distilled? Well, to which I said to J.D, just because you're starving doesn't mean you have to be happy about the shit sandwich. Like, yeah, the people who run the sport should be better at scheduling. Week one should have a better schedule. Like, Indiana, North Texas, no offense to Neil Brown and the mean green, but Indiana, North Texas being the big noon game means everyone in the Big Ten failed at scheduling this year. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. It doesn't mean that we're not excited to watch the games.

Like that's the other thing, too. It's like you can think that while also looking forward to it. I want to see the games. It's not like I won't watch. Like I'm a bit of a junkie when it comes to that. It is kind of funny, though, just like you are at your core and you taught me this, and it's true, an entertainment product. How could you allow something to be less entertaining when you have full control on making it more entertaining? Like, literally, you could have just done it.

Like, you know? Yeah. Here's the list of the better week one games. And, you know, in terms of intrigue and maybe competitiveness, Clemson at LSU, Baylor Auburn in Atlanta, Louisville Ole Miss in Nashville, those are the ones I think you were really intrigued by.

Notre Dame Wisconsin, nice brands, they're playing at Lambo. But unless Wisconsin's competitive in that game, I don't know that the whole of America is to be tuned in past the first quarter. Yeah. Yeah.

And then SMU, Florida State's intriguing for a lot of reasons, but it's very interesting there. That's intriguing. I am looking forward to it. That's a Monday, right? Yeah. Florida State can beat SMU.

That we have a lot to talk about. Like if Florida State and SMU have a good game and it's ISO'd on television, we have a chance to have one of those. Everybody's watching moments. I love those. Don't you love that? Yeah. And Florida State did surprise this week one last year.

So. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, I'm with you, Andy. I think that they could have done a better job of making it jam-packed, interesting from start to finish and when you have your ability to make things something more fun, then you probably should make sure that you wield that power in order to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. That's us on our soapbox. It's okay. We're still going to watch every game in week one. I know. There is also this culture, too, of like having to, and I'm not saying JD's pretending. That is that, that's a core belief of JD's.

Like the world is a good place filled with good people. And I like that. I wish there were more people like JD. I think a lot of people pretend to feel how JD actually feels. Yes. Yeah. And that's what I love about JD is that's not an act. Yeah.

That's who he is, to his core. And I love that. And it's great. And it's what makes him a great friend and a great coworker. Yeah. I also feel like a lot of times I get put in a position where people accuse me of saying I hate college football for some reason. And I think part of the reason for that is I never pretend that something is cool.

when it isn't. So, you know, I think that the games that we have that are notable on the screen here, like the ones that you just listed off are going to be interesting. I'm also very excited to see people in new uniforms play with their new teams for the first time. Like, it's not like that's not intriguing. But I'm not going to act like a 55 to 10 game is good. Right. We need some competitive games.

We need some helmet matchups. Like the point of week one, week two, like get get some helmet matchups. And look, you've heard us complain a bunch of times about the mindset of, oh, we can't schedule any good non-conference games anymore because it'll hurt our playoff chances. Like that's, that is the virus that is poisoning the sport. So we can talk about all the other stuff, whatever they talk about on Capitol Hill. None of that. Like, that mentality is the worst thing.

Everything else is manageable. Good at the sun, man. If you think that, I, yeah, I've written like nine different columns with the same exact point about different people. saying it. I think I know. Let me shout out Georgia Tech here. We're doing the five most difficult schedules in each league next week. I have the ACC.

Georgia Tech's non-conference, Colorado, Tennessee, and Georgia. God bless Georgia Tech. Good for them. Yeah. That's awesome. People. Yeah. Yeah.

That is awesome. That is awesome. That's like not an easy thing to research. I got to start looking into that. Yeah, they play Mercer too, but that's fine. You're playing a local school, you know, 60 miles south of you. That's cool. You load it up on the other ones.

You did your part. So thank you, Yellow Jackets, for your service. Last question from NYNNN, not a college football question, but what is the story behind this? And is a tweet from me from 2014 of me in a three-piece suit and a bow tie on stage holding a microphone in Austin, Texas. and I say we should all die on stage at least once. And it's a tweet. And I'm retweeting George Schroeder, a friend of mine who worked at USA Today for a long time. He's now become a pastor, which was his real calling.

And so he took a photo of me on stage. And so this was during South by Southwest. And I had been invited to Southwest to speak on a panel about paying college athletes, which at the time was considered a very controversial thing. And so my fellow panelists were former Texas Longhorn Emmanuel Acho, who had not even started in TV yet, now is like big time at Fox and everything. And TCU, then, TCU athletic director, Chris Del Conte, who is now Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte.

And by the way, if TCU athletic director Chris Del Conte had been told what Texas would be spending on its roster when Crystal County was running Texas. His head would have exploded. So what happened was they invited a bunch of people who had been speaking on the various panels at South by Southwest

to this club to do kind of like a two minute open mic thing. And it's just everybody you've got a bunch of people from different fields together and just get up and talk about whatever you want. Spencer Hall

one of the greatest and funniest human beings alive was there because he was speaking on another panel about college football. And then there were a bunch of people I didn't know. And it was interesting because some of the people took the assignment very seriously. Some people had like a poem they'd written when they were 16 that they were dying to tell some other people about. I did not take the assignment that seriously. I spent two minutes talking about Bucky's, which at the time was a new concept to me and about how the but then remember buckies had not even expanded outside of texas so we were all most people there were visitors to texas we were all marveling at buckies just the same way all these world cup fans are and so yeah i think i spent a solid 75 of my 120 seconds talking

about the cleanliness of bucky's bathrooms i mean that's pretty on brand for who you are as a human being though yeah spencer spencer had a much better two minutes on Big Boy from Outcast. Okay. But it was, it was interesting. Like, because at the time, I'm a writer. I have not been doing shows.

This was before I got hired by Series XM. So I was not used to performing live for people. And I got a couple laughs. So I was like, all right. Who knows? And now here you are. Now look at you. Yeah.

But the boat. by the way, regrettable. Regrettable. Did I need to be doing that? I don't know if I'm like misremembering this, but you had a bow tie phase in the press box, didn't you? I did. It was, I was like, I think it was,

that was when I had decided I needed to get a job in TV. And the only way to do that was I got to add it to really dress up for every game. And it was stupid. That was not, that doesn't help. It doesn't matter. And I did the bow tie thing. The bow tie thing was because I was a little bit husky and the selection of extra long ties that would actually reach down to my to my belt buckle

was pretty slender there's not a good selection so the bow tie was a better look for me and that's why I did that but I was wearing bow ties when I had no need to be wearing bow ties but yeah I've still thought I can still tie a bow tie though I've always thought about maybe like wearing a blazer to the game and I wore a blazer to the national title game last year. Yeah. But I don't, maybe it's, it's good to wear, like, there are some reporters who come in gym shorts and there are some who come wearing a suit.

I like to think that we're somewhere in the middle, but. I think it's sports. Like, I actually get uncomfortable watching people in suits talk about sports, the older I get. Like, it is sports. No one cares that much. Like, Pat McAfee's got it right. This is black tank top.

We don't need any more than that. It's the perfect sport. I mean, you have a lot of outfit potential in the fall when it's cool out. I just watch these people walk into stadiums in August wearing suits. I'm like, I don't know what the hell. I'll run to me on. Yeah, never again. And I go back to COVID.

I think COVID changed how I felt about that. And it's funny because we've already mentioned Emmanuel Acho once, but it was during COVID. He was, I think he was working for the ESPN at the time. and they were doing remote shows because they couldn't all go into the studio together. And he's just wearing, you know, like Lulu Lim and stuff,

which if you look like a manual atcho, that's the way to go. That's the other thing too. If you have a great body, you don't have to spend a lot of money or look really all that good because your body is the statement, not what you're wearing.

Yeah, yeah. So he just looked comfortable and he's firing off his sports sakes. And I was like, ha, that seems like a much better way to do than putting on a bow tie every day. Yeah. You know what?

I don't know. If you have an opinion as a listener, you can tell us. But, you know, I think people know, I don't think they come to the show for what we're wearing. I'll wear a tuxedo if you want me to. I don't. I can tie the bowtie. Yeah. If you were like in a bow tie blazer dress up phase, like I would have to do it too.

So it didn't look stupid. And I'm so happy that you've relaxed your. Well, that is the, yeah, you got to be careful when you're co-hosting a podcast with someone. Like one of you can't show up in a suit and the other person shows up in sweats. Which is why I text you all the time. What are you wearing to this thing? Yeah. And he's like,

you text me that. I text my wife, what am I wearing to this thing? Yeah. And then we figure it out. But, you know, in the fall and the winter, you know,

jeans and a stylus shacket goes a long way. And it's comfortable. I'm not a shacket guy. You're a big shacket guy. But I haven't found the shackets. I like shackets because they look semi-transet. but also keep you warm without having to wear a big-ass jacket when it's not that cold out. And you can remove it at any point and have a black tea on underneath it and people will never question why you're underdressed.

I think it's the perfect, perfect thing to wear in the fall. And that's been style with Andy and Ari. Yeah. I don't think anybody watches this for style tips. Nothing more versatile than the jean shirt that you keep on buttoned. The third layer of the Canadian tuxedo. Yes. Yes.

And only people with six packs can do the Canadian tuxedo and keep it up. But like if you wear like black jeans or khakis or something with a jean shirt or a jean shirt or a jean shirt with sweats, like it goes a long way. You can do a lot of different things. That's been denim shirts with Ari. Yeah. Have a wonderful weekend, everybody. We love you. Big draft on Monday, coach draft on Monday.

We'll see who wound up number one. We'll see if it's controversial. or not. Talk to that.