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Welcome to Andy and Ari, I'm presented by Wendy's and happy Wednesday, which means it
is a Wendy's sauciest take Wednesday.
Ari is responsible for the three saucy takes this time.
I had Ari, you got to admit, my Jalen Milrow will have his Heisman moment against Georgia
was a pretty good take.
Looking pretty good take looking pretty
good right now yeah uh when it'll be officially a great take is when you change your mind about
travis hunter okay we're gonna get there but no change my mind i have travis hunter number one
in my heisman ballot that's what i'm saying when you put jaylen miller number one then you're set
your take comes listen as long as travis hunter's doing this I don't I don't know how to
break this to everybody there's nobody else like that so he's gonna stay there but Jalen Milrow
will probably win because I won't like the rest of them aren't gonna vote like me so Jalen Milrow
will win if he's the best quarterback on the best team like that we we know that and so we'll see
we'll see that throw to Ryan Williams over and over and over again and a bunch of other plays from that game yeah for sure uh and it's
funny because you and i have fundamental disagreements about uh how the heisman should
be voted on but at the same time i do it correctly you do it wrong that's true you say that every
time uh but i i wanted to say that uh we're on the same page on this one like i don't know that
we're gonna be having very many Heisman arguments.
You because he's the greatest story and me because he's the best player.
He's both.
Yeah.
The trophy says most outstanding player.
So it doesn't say greatest story.
We should create an award for the greatest story in college football, though.
That would be awesome.
That would have gone to Connor Stallions last year.
Exactly.
Can we call it the Connoror Stallion's award?
You just put a vacuum cleaner and bronze it?
It'd be amazing.
Ari, Ari, we need a boy to plant our flag as a show.
Can you imagine if we go to whoever wins the award?
I don't know who would win.
Maybe it's Kirk Cignetti.
We'll talk about him a little bit later in the show.
Like, congratulations, coach.
You've won the Connor Stallion's best story of the year award and you hand him a bronze
vacuum cleaner.
Yeah.
We could come up with a design and actually just present it on the show.
I'll go get it made.
I don't know how expensive it is to get a trophy, but even if they don't accept it in year one, we could present it through the airwaves and then have the trophy made here physically.
And then maybe next year it'll catch on and we could actually have a presentation for it.
That'd be great.
It's actually not that bad. So a few years ago, there was a deal at my wife's work where they would give a trophy out every month, like a little tiny trophy every month to an employee that they thought was doing the best.
And she never won.
And it started to get to her because she's like clearly the best employee.
And so I had this ridiculously gigantic trophy made for her.
And it just showed up at the house one day.
That's amazing.
We keep coupons in it now, but yeah.
I'm in a fantasy football league where we have an actual trophy,
and people care about it, which gives you a little clue into how my life is.
But yeah, we'll look into that, and we'll design it.
We'll have the On3 design team help us out with it.
And then maybe we'll present it at the end of the year.
And maybe we can change the phrasing from best story to craziest story.
Because that makes it more fun.
They're going to be insulted if you hand them a trophy that says craziest story.
Just call it story of the year.
Story of the year.
Story of the year.
Story of the year. Story of the year. Story of the year. And it's a bronze vacuum cleaner with a person sitting on top of it holding a cell phone like this, like they're filming.
With Ray-Bans on.
Yeah.
Yeah, but we have a pretty packed show.
I'm feeling very saucy just this week in general, Andy.
You teed me up.
I got the Puppet Master co-host here
who knows exactly what's going to set me off.
He lines up the ball, puts it on the tee,
and just sits back, puts his arms over his head,
and lets it cook.
But today I'm going to be, I think, a little saucy.
I don't know.
We'll see how you feel about some of the things that I think.
You called me last night, or you texted me last night,
and you said, talk me off the ledge here.
Is everyone going to think I'm insane if I go with this?
Yes.
So, and to me, like, I just smile when I see that
because that is exactly what this segment is for.
So that's fine.
But before we get to that,
we have a couple of things we need to talk about.
One of those is a Story of the Year nominee.
And actually we need graphics and music for this. We could come up with our own original story of the year nominee. And actually, we need graphics and music for this.
We could come up with our own original story of the year song.
It's the story of the year.
I think I'm trying to do Never Ending Story, but I'm not hitting it.
The story of the year.
All right.
So first story of the year nominee.
Maybe we'll make this a weekly segment, too.
This is how this works.
We grassroots.
Yeah, yeah.
It's natural workshopping.
First story of the year nominee is Diego Pavia, who has already revolutionized Vanderbilt football.
Did it first with New Mexico State football.
Doing it again in Nashville with Vanderbilt football.
They are playing Alabama this week.
Producer River, show us what Diego Pavia said.
This is a whole new team.
You know, the NIL era is, you know,
every team will be different every single year.
But we got a team full of dogs who prepare every week
like they want to play on Sundays.
And so with that, you know, the only person that knows like they want to play on sundays and so um with that
you know um the only person that knows who's gonna win on saturday is god so um we'll be prepared
we're gonna do everything we can to to win a football game you know we fell just short to
number or 17 in the nation so we gotta get over that that little edge and then um start punching some wins here. The only person who knows is God.
Though Vegas seems to think it has a pretty good idea.
Well, it's funny that you play this clip
because I was just talking to my former editor a few days ago,
Mitch Light, at The Athletic,
and Vandy legitimately should be 4-0 right now.
If you go back and look at the way that they lost the Mizzou game,
maybe they would have lost it even if they made that field goal
when the game was extended, but they had chances to win that game.
And then the Georgia State debacle was just kind of crazy.
They scored 22 points in the fourth quarter,
and they just couldn't get a stop.
They had to come back.
They came back and then gave it up again.
What if Vandy was 4-0?
Like we're going to talk about another team that kind of has been viewed
in the same light as Vandy in the past in terms of just being
the conference cellar dweller.
But like Vanderbilt is not a joke of a team this year.
Now, I do know that there is a meme or a video that gets circulated around
about how somebody on Vanderbilt's team like five, six years ago said, and Bama's next or something.
And then the next week they just show.
2017 defensive lineman, Nephi Lealow.
Okay, yeah.
Alabama, you're next.
Final score of that game, Alabama 59, Vanderbilt nothing.
Ari, looking at this line.
So God knows who's going to win.
We don't.
Vegas thinks Alabama is going to win by 23 and a half.
Is it weird to you as weird to you as it is to me that Vandy is the same level of underdog
to Bama that Auburn is to Georgia?
Yeah.
And Michigan state is to Oregon?
Yes. Yeah, it's the same general neighborhood. Here's the thing.
Coming off of a game that Alabama's coming off of, it's emotional. This is just a natural,
maybe takes a quarter or a quarter and a half to get going type of a game. And Vandy's actually not a joke of a team this year that can score.
So I don't think that it's crazy.
I think that I disagree with only God knows who's going to win.
I think we know who's going to win the game, but I guess that's why they play them.
But the good thing here, Andy, is you want personalities like Diego Pavia in this one.
You want people to feel like they have a chance to win or are going to win.
And I actually do believe, and maybe this is like because I've been to Sedona a few many times,
but I do believe in positive manifestation of your thoughts control your behaviors.
Your thoughts help you.
If you think positively, like you go into the game not scared,
you might help you perform better or not shrink in the moment.
I think that there's some power to that.
And I do think that this Vanderbilt football team to a certain extent probably does believe that they can compete with this Alabama team.
And listen, this is the craziest sport on earth and you never know what's going
to happen.
I'm 99.9% sure that Alabama is going to win, but you know, weird things happen.
And sometimes, uh, you know, games are games when you don't think they should be games in the third quarter.
You know, when we were in Wisconsin a few weeks ago, we saw Georgia almost lose to Kentucky.
So you never know.
The game is at home, thankfully.
I think that the game that they lost 59-0 was at Alabama, if I remember correctly.
But, yeah, I love the personality.
And I kind of just wish that Vandy was 4-0 so we could get hyped for it i i love diego pavia because he is not scared like you could you could send
diego pavia to play against the kansas city chiefs this week and he'd say the same thing
he does not care like there is no opponent that scares him like this is a guy who took
new mexico state into jordan hair and won-10 last year this is why the Auburn
fans are so wary of that Vanderbilt game coming up later this year but I love this I love this
you are a story of the year nominee Diego Pavia you may at some point have a bronze vacuum cleaner
can I give you a a bonus Wendy saucy take before we get into the saucy takes Andy absolutely
absolutely I don't know if pity is the right word, but there's no program that I felt worse for than Vanderbilt in the change of the NIL era.
That's not to say that I don't love the NIL era or think that it should exist,
but Vanderbilt hired Barton Simmons and Clark Lee. They came up with a plan that I actually
believe they could execute, which is to find players who are undervalued or,
you know, have great traits, but might be raw. Uh, people who aren't ranked high in the recruiting
rankings, build a roster, develop them ferociously and try to build a football team. You know,
that's really good every three, four years. Like I thought that that was like a really good way to
go about it. And Barton Simmons, if you ever talked to the guy is like a handsome, smart dude,
who knows what he's doing. Um, and then the NIL era comes along, and like Vandy, when they're right and they develop guys or find
undervalued guys that they took that no one else was willing to take, is at risk now of losing them
every offseason, which completely throws a wrench on the entire way the program was trying to be
built. So I always respect coaches and administrators
and staff members who identify a plan,
try to execute that plan,
and the plan makes sense and works.
Like Michigan, I think, is the crowning example of that,
following your plan relentlessly until it works.
And it just stinks that once they got there,
their entire plan kind of got thrown out the window
because the rules of the game changed,
making it harder for Vanderbilt to execute that plan.
So I just think that...
Well, we'll find out.
Only God knows.
That's why they play the games.
I love Diego Pavia.
I can't wait to see him with his vacuum cleaner.
Dean in the chat, responding to our Heisman conversation just a minute ago,
not sure why you keep overlooking Ashton Gentry,
by far the most impressive football player this year, and it's not close.
Well, that's not true.
He's not by far the most impressive player.
Travis Hunter is by far the most impressive player
because nobody's done this in 70 years.
Ashton Gentry is extremely impressive,
which is why Ari and I both have him in our top three for the Heisman.
And I'm telling you right now,
the Heisman is going to go to the best quarterback on the best team,
whether we vote that way or not.
We are both voters.
I can tell you right now,
if Gentry keeps doing what he's doing or Travis Hunter keeps doing what he's
doing,
it's probably going to be one of those two for me because what they're both
doing is insane.
And we don't see that very often, but that's not how everybody else gonna vote yeah here's the thing
too it's like ashton genti hive is out there like you know you feel that every saturday when on three
posts are heisman top three graphic there is a lot of people out there like upset that ashton
genti isn't number one or that other people left him off the top three completely. Here's the best thing that Ashton Gentry could probably do, is that if he keeps
averaging a first down or a touchdown every time he touches the football, Boise State is probably
going to make the playoff. So there is a chance here that this man can carry, and if he does
single-handedly carry Boise State to the playoff and Hunter have you know, have a regression. Like I do think that he has an actual chance to win. Like, I don't know. I hope that in the evolution that we're seeing in this sport,
where, you know, a wider range of teams make it, there's a different story. Like Boise State making
the playoff this year as a 12 or an 11 seed, if they're really, really good playing Oregon down
to the last play of the game, like two years ago, that story doesn't exist
because Boise doesn't make the playoff and they get forgotten.
If they make the playoff now, that story exists,
and I think it keeps them in the front of the mind.
So I know that you don't care about the storylines of things,
but I think that storylines help accentuate attention.
I care a lot about storylines.
I am a professional writer, Ari.
I care deeply about storylines.
No, no, you don't care about it.
I just don't vote for Heisman that way.
But I'm saying, we're talking about the Heisman.
So when I said the Heisman, you don't care about the story.
I think that the story can help keep somebody in the spotlight,
even if you're not particularly fond of voting that way.
I think that Ashton will have more attention at the end of the year
when people are casting votes as a result of leading his team to the playoff
if they would otherwise have been in the Fiesta Bowl in a non-playoff year.
That's all I'm saying.
So I don't think that it's over by any stretch of the
imagination. And just because Andy and I think that Travis Hunter should win the Heisman,
like the man's not going to win. And I wrote this in the column last week. There are a lot
of people out there that inherently don't like Colorado, inherently don't like Deion Sanders,
and we'll punish him for those things, you know, and that's, and that's unfortunate, but,
you know, we've been accused a lot of hating on Colorado.
And frankly speaking, next week when they play a game again,
we've got to talk about if they're going to be –
If they can beat Kansas State, they're a legit Big 12 title contender.
And we get to watch that together.
GoDog in the chat says,
Boise State in the playoffs, Kellen Moore would be smiling.
GoDog, he's not dead.
He's just the offensive coordinator of the Eagles. He can still smile. You may, you may have thought he was dead
watching the bucks game, but he's alive. Uh, he can smile. So Ari, we got to talk a little prize
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Now we are going to play a little guess the number here because prize picks has not put Cade Klubnick's number out yet for the Florida state game.
But our guy, Pete Nacos put out a story yesterday and, and, and put a tweet out with some stats that are just wild because
we should have done the mystery player here. Like who's the only power for quarterback to do this?
Thrown for 12 plus touchdowns, have a 60% or higher completion percentage and an average
depth of target of 11 plus yards. So this is not a person doing this on super high confidence
behind the line of scrimmage passes.
This dude is airing it out.
That's Cade Klubnick right now.
Cade Klubnick, who after the Georgia game,
you and I were both like,
do they need to look at something different here?
Cade Klubnick is killing it right now.
Yeah.
And here's the thing with Clemson.
A lot of their success in the past a lot of their success in the past,
most of their success in the past has been driven by generational college football, NFL quarterback
talents. You know, I know Trevor Lawrence is struggling in the league right now, which I
didn't see coming. I don't think a lot of people did. Um, but there are two national championship
teams were led by Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence. And before the playoff era and before the NIL era, Clemson was the only program to win
a national title without having signed a top five class in any of the previous four recruiting
cycles going into it.
Like they have been the biggest exception to the recruiting rule that has become, you
know, the chief guiding star of my outlook on the sport.
So like when they got Cade Klubnick, I mean, we're talking about a person
that was held in similar regard to Watson and Lawrence at that point
in their careers, and, you know, it didn't start off that way for him there.
And it's like now that Clemson lost to Georgia by a lot, you know,
it is easy to fade back into the background as we're concerned
with other teams who haven't lost yet.
You're probably not watching Clemson as closely as you would have been
if they were undefeated and the guys aren't here
racking numbers and i'm starting to wonder andy like is kade klubnick starting to take that next
step to become the game-breaking game-changing elite level nfl prospect quarterback that
clemson has typically had there underdabble. It's entirely possible.
I think part of it is they figured out how to use his legs,
which he's very fast.
You've seen him break off long runs for touchdowns, but also more just moving around in the pocket,
which I think allows his receivers more time to get open.
It extends plays.
When they're dealing with better defensive lines, it should help.
Now, here is the problem.
It may be the defenses they were
playing sure now Florida State's defense is not great either so let us figure out what the number
is going to be for his passing yardage I think his touchdowns will probably be a 1.5
more than or less than and then and then they may have a little demon and goblin action with him it's usually
one and a half anyway like that i think that's the right fake ass there yeah but
for his passing yardage total so his games this year have been very interesting now obviously
he was lights out in the appalachian state game he was 24 26 for 378 yards actually not particularly accurate in the stanford game
but hit a bunch of explosives so 15 of 31 for 255 was 8.2 yards per attempt but that means
the ones you're completing are going a long long way so that's that's the question like
how accurate do we think he's going to be because if he's accurate
then we're talking because he again that like the air yard stat that pete threw out i think is
really interesting because or the depth of target excuse me because that's not normal in today's
college football normal the depth of target is like six yards so the fact that he's
chucking it down the field that this offense is very vertical and does it stay vertical against
Florida State's defense I think it probably can because you're going to scare Florida State with
Phil Moffa and that ground game so we'll find out against more talented, like better talent on defense.
We don't know this is a better defense than what they've seen.
So I am going to go with 264.5.
That is my guess at the Cade Klovenick number.
And I think there's a chance he goes more than that
because you've seen this Florida State defense
kind of wear out at times.
And if that happens, then the pass rush dissipates.
And the fact that they're moving around better,
I don't know that the pass rush is going to get to him as much.
And that's when he was throwing interceptions and putting the ball in harm's way.
I think he's in a much better place to play this particular defense now.
So I would say 264.5 is my guess at the number.
I'm going to go more than.
We'll see what the actual number is,
but you know how I would feel about it when you see it.
Yeah, it's funny.
We didn't talk about it.
We knew we were going to play guess the number
because PrizePix doesn't have it up yet.
It should be up shortly.
Mine was going to be like 253.5.
So I think that we were kind of like in the same general area there and you know i think obviously too like whether he eclipses that
number is going to go a long way and and telling us what what you know he's able to do now i know
that like app state turned out to not be what we thought they were and you know they haven't played
a tough route it wasn't what they thought we were going to be either so but i think like lighting
up florida state even if their defense isn't what we thought it was going to be still probably is a
nice indication that things are turning there like we don't want to get fooled but you know
the thing with clemson too is that if if we're not going to count this florida state game as anything
because they've lost a bunch of games and they stink then like what's the best opportunity for
clemson on their schedule
to actually prove they're able to hang?
And that's part of the reason why I came up with a take
after they lost to Georgia of like,
they could go win 10 or 11 games after this game
and no one on the national level is going to consider them
an actual national championship contender
because they don't have anybody on their schedule that can test them.
Now they're going to play Miami maybe.
Let's see what South Carolina does. Let's see what south carolina does because if south carolina beats
old miss this weekend if they beat oklahoma like all of a sudden you're looking at south carolina
very differently and you're looking at them like more of a challenge yeah i'm seeing this on the
on the chat it's probably true it's like if you're a defensive outfit and your offense can't get a
first down like there's only so much you can do from a gas standpoint before you just let the
dam break and also speaking of the dam breaking and they probably just don't give a damn anymore
because they're not gonna get be in games like i i think that defenses uh are super important
we're talking about florida state now yeah. Did I not say that?
Sorry.
Florida State.
I was thinking about Iowa last year,
and that's how I have so much regard for Phil Parker's defense.
Like, they could have just given up.
There's no reason why they should be fighting as hard
because their offense can't score,
and every single week they kept them in the game.
So it's like Florida State's defense is probably better than we think it is but hasn't been given an opportunity to a rest or or
be care because there's nothing that they can do to stop the other team from from scoring more than
Florida State's gonna score which is like nothing which which could be a very big game for K club
because I hadn't thought about that particular piece of it. But you got Brock Glenn going for Florida State this week.
I'm not even going to hazard a guess at his price fix number.
But I think Cade Klovenick is going to get the ball a lot.
I think he's going to have a lot of opportunities to rack up yards.
Yep.
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you have three saucy takes one of those is about florida state which we were just talking about
fire away should we just start with florida state for transition purposes
that's what i've said two times yes so wait you're saying that we should start with florida
state okay i think we should start with florida state um so if you're saying that we should start with Florida state. Okay. I think we should start with Florida state.
Um,
so if you're not paying attention to Florida state's recruiting,
uh,
they've had some decommitments the last few weeks.
And I think yesterday,
four-star receiver Malik Clark,
uh,
decommitted.
And he was,
I believe on the on three industry,
a top 250 player.
Um,
they've also,
after falling to one and four have lost, uh, Myron Charles and, uh, JV on Hilton. Like They've also, after falling to one and four,
have lost Myron Charles and Javion Hilsen.
They've gotten a little bit, they're losing steam in recruiting.
And right now in the on three industry,
we're looking at a Florida State team that ranks number 18 nationally
in the 2025 cycle.
Now they still have five-star offensive lineman Solomon Thomas
out of Jacksonville
committed. We'll see how that goes if things continue in this direction. But I am starting
to worry about Florida State and Mike Norvell's ability to turn this thing around. Not this year,
but the program in general. Because my whole understanding of the direction of this program
was that they were going to use last season as a way of propelling legitimacy and selling that to high school athletes
in order to get Florida State back in a place where its baseline talent level
was at a place that we were accustomed to seeing as we were growing up.
And now we're still outside of the top 15.
Players are flipping out.
It's possible that you could lose your five-star offensive lineman.
I don't know how much danger is there, but obviously anytime you have a five-star kid
who's committed and he sees your program struggling the way it is, you're nervous about that.
So my question has always been, as we know that Florida State can't live and die by the
transfer portal, we've already punted on caring about how the season ended because it's hopeless
at this point,
but from a roster building future standpoint,
I'm also worried that Florida state isn't going to get back to where it was
last year.
Unless Mike Norvell goes out and signs five or six more guys in the portal
that turned out to play like NFL draft picks.
And like,
that's a really hard thing to do year over year.
So like,
I just,
I know that he was up for the Alabama gig, right?
Like we know that people thought that, you know, at the end of last year that he was proving to be one of the best coaches in America.
I'm terrified that this is just not going right.
And it's not going to go right.
It's so like, I don't know where I'm at on the, the spice level here, but I'm no longer
considered worried or even considering this year.
But I don't know that I'm confident that Florida State's going to be great
in two or three years down the line,
because what are they doing from a roster building standpoint
to change the inconsistent nature of what their roster is going to look like
year to year with no baseline high school talent to kind of pave the way?
So you say your worry level on this?
Seven out of 10.
Could be eight out of 10, depending on how saucy you want me to get.
I mean, it's been a worry since the beginning of his tenure there.
Because Florida State is in the top five classes.
We had Norvell on the show on signing day in December
and pointed out that it was the most top 200 players that they had signed since
2016. So since the Jimbo era, and it's felt like they were coming back to that, that they were,
the momentum was on the upswing, that that was the plan. And, and Nordville said that was the
plan that he's not dumb. He knows you can't consistently win recruiting out of the transfer portal,
that you have to build a foundation through high school.
Dyson in the chat says, I like Norvell, but unfortunately he can't recruit.
He needs to fire some of his staff if he even wants a shot.
They really do need to recruit better.
Losing Travis Hunter sucked, but it was like, okay,
we understand that's a
pretty unique situation. Then they had this class and you're like, okay, things are on the upswing.
But if it drops right back down, then they're not on the upswing and you're just relying on
the transfer portal every year. Now, staff changes are about the only thing you can expect because they're not firing Mike Norvell. They would owe him something like $67 million.
So they're not Texas A&M. They don't have that level of money. They're not doing that.
So Mike Norvell has to figure this out one way or the other. And I don't know how that's going to work. Perhaps if revenue sharing comes in,
then some of that money can be reallocated,
and you can try to get more guys that are young.
Although they've,
because I think one of the things that Florida State did,
and their collective did,
is they were big on retention of the best players they had,
and they'd go out in the portal and get really good ones,
but they were not going to overspend on freshmen, which I think is a sound philosophy.
Overspending on freshmen, unless you just have money to burn, is a good way to burn money.
If you don't have a lot of money or if you've got to be judicious with how you spend it,
retention is better.
Known transfer portal commodities are better yeah and i do see like
there's a lot of comments in the chat here and we have to acknowledge whether those existed or not
that the nil piece to this is important to you know consider because andy let's be honest miami
hasn't had a ton of success on the field either, and they've gotten a lot of good players in high school.
I'm assuming, and we know, that NIL does play a part on this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I know that there's a wider range of reasons why this can happen,
but I still think that in this era we have to look at the coach.
I mean, who do you point the finger at if you're not signing top?
I mean, do you no longer hold the coach accountable?
Like it's really difficult.
No, it's still the head coaches.
Yeah.
And also too with NIL,
I know on three has done a lot of reporting on this and stuff.
Like players don't always take the highest amount either.
Like your program, the direction of your program,
your ability to develop that position, the location, all these things still play a part. And I don't know that these
decommitments that they're suffering right now are happening because NIL deals fell apart.
I think it's happening because their team is falling apart. So, you know, you're, you're
in a position right now as Florida, as Florida state in a deep state, like, listen, man, Alabama is not led by Nick Saban. Nick Saban spent
the majority of his tenure absolutely rating the Sunshine State's best players. And I know that,
you know, DeBoer is going to be doing a good job and Alabama is still Alabama, but there is a
window of opportunity here for all three Florida schools to get better at recruiting their own
homegrown talent. I mean, if you go back and look, Alabama was taking a ton.
I think that you could actually blame Alabama for the demise of all three programs the last
10 years.
Like, it's that stark.
Like, you're laughing.
It's not just Alabama.
I mean, like, Stoney Michelle went to Georgia.
Like, everybody went into Florida and cherry-picked what they wanted.
I mean, there's another guy we're going to talk about today, Jeremiah Smith. He's at Ohio State. He's from Florida. And like some players
from Florida have like Ohio State is traditionally, I mean, they've been recruiting Florida since
before Jim Trestle. Like that's not a new thing, but I'm saying now is a time for them to like,
I thought that they were going to make the playoff or miss the playoff the way that
they did and then use that to propel signing a top five class this year. And now we're looking at a,
you know, top 20 class that could potentially get worse if things get worse. And I'm looking at it
and it's just like, well, what's the baseline, uh, recruiting class level that you need to have
to win a national championship. I know that Michigan and Washington did some things last
year without recruit. I mean, but is that the new school of thought now that you need to have to win a national championship. I know that Michigan and Washington did some things last year without recruit.
I mean,
but is that the new school of thought now that you only have to sign a
top 25 class to win a national title?
Like,
is that where we're at?
Cause I don't know that I'm there yet.
Well,
and Michigan wasn't just signing top 25 classes.
I mean,
Michigan was signing top 15 class.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
And Michigan had five star players all over the field.
Let's not,
let's not make it sound like Michigan didn't get great raw material, too.
They got good raw material, and then they also out-evaluated on some players.
Washington also was very old and had a ton of depth and stuff,
but Washington did not recruit at the level.
In fact, I hammered Washington for the last five years
of being completely incapable of recruiting the best players in Seattle.
I think it had been bad.
And that was pre-Caitlin DeBoer.
That was –
Well, yeah, you're in Ohio.
The Ohio State homers, like, oh, JT2 in Malau and –
And that guy, Guka, went to Ohio State.
There were other ones, too.
I know.
I'm kidding.
I had Mike Norvell on our last podcast and, like, wanted to talk to him.
I just think the notion of being a transactional program,
it can like,
can you be one and be consistently good?
And I think that Mike Norvell doesn't want to be viewed or doesn't want it to
seem like they're a transactional program,
but until they sign a top 10 class or two or three to at least give you that baseline of talent on players,
like players 85 to 45 on the roster to grow into the top 22, you're going to have the years like
this. And maybe if you would have picked a better quarterback or a different quarterback in the
portal, they might be two and two now, but their, their roster from top to bottom was decimated
after last year. And there was nobody on the roster to replace it
because they didn't recruit well enough.
And now you have this, and the class is falling apart.
It's like, well, what are reasonable expectations
for what Florida State's going to be in 2026 right now
with what we're seeing in terms of the ingredients?
So I might actually just change it to eight or nine, to be honest.
Because it is...
The more you talk, the more I worry,
because I don't know where the,
like the only way out of it is to sign top five,
top 10 classes.
And what, what have they done that suggests
that they can suddenly start doing that?
Well, the other way out of it too,
is going to get six or seven players in the portal
over the next two years that stay in your program
for multiple years and turn out to be Keon Coleman, you know, and Jared verse, but like how that was remarkable.
That's not something you can count on. Like Keon Coleman was a one year.
Braden was a one year. Jared verse was a two year, a multi-year. A lot of it was like,
so Jordan Travis was a transfer. He actually transferred to play for Willie Taggart,
but he was a transfer who stayed in the program for four years. Fabian Lovett was a transfer who stayed in the program for three years. They had a lot of those
guys, and a lot of that was due to COVID and basically them flipping the roster when they did,
so they went after a lot of young guys, which was also Lane Kiffin's strategy in the portal.
That's not as sound of a strategy as it used to be because now you can just transfer
again. It used to be when you were an undergraduate, if you transferred once, then you had to sit down
or sit out a year if you wanted to transfer again. So if you've got that person and you were their
second school, they were stuck with you, but that's not the case anymore. And I think that's
going to hurt Florida State and Ole Miss going forward and they got to figure it out yeah so this might not be saucy this just might be analysis but like being afraid
that florida state's never going to get where they think they should be is i think a pretty strong
take no it's it's a legitimate question because they have to there is no other way out. Like you can say they can go sign five or six good transfer.
I don't think so because you still run the risk of bad chemistry,
of it not working.
Sure.
The surest way to have a legitimately good college football program
year after year after year is to recruit well out of high school.
That has not changed.
That probably will never change.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it will.
But I don't know.
What Florida State did last year.
If it's really like the NFL.
Because everybody's freaking out.
Or it's becoming the NFL.
Well guess what?
The teams that are the best in the NFL are the ones that draft the best.
Like.
It still works the same way.
Last year. Florida state did something truly remarkable
they caught lightning in a bottle and they could have if jordan travis didn't get injured
won the national title so like mike norvell has already built a team at florida state that was
good enough top to bottom to compete with the highest ranked teams in the country
but the thing that is difficult about
that is yes, he did it, but you cannot count lightning in a bottle as something that is
sustainable or something that you can continue to see year over year. Like you use that lightning
in a bottle to light fire to the other tentacles of your roster building process. And they have
not done that. So unless you want lightning to strike twice to keep going with this lightning analogy like you're just going
to end up not being very good and i'm afraid for florida state that this is like a three four five
year problem until they can figure out how to put a recruiting class together yeah and it may be
because again you're not firing norvell the money too big. So it may be a gut job, which is what Harbaugh did.
Harbaugh did a staff gut job and they became better recruiters because of who he brought in.
So that may be how you have to do it.
But we'll find out.
We'll find out.
Ari, what is your next saucy take?
Indiana may make the playoff this year.
So we could, you know, like last year, last week,
I had like levers to how saucy you wanted to get.
I could say Indiana will make the playoff, but I'm not ready to do that.
I think it's important for me to temper expectations and just say,
they've had a really, really good start.
If you've been paying attention to what Kurt Cignetti has been doing in Bloomington, it is super exciting.
And I wanted to frankly apologize for making a mistake on Twitter on Monday because I was wrong about something.
And I am hardheaded and I am annoying and I'm an asshole.
But the one thing that I will try to do over and over and over again is that if I feel strongly about something or I have an opinion that turns out to be wrong, I want to make it right by admitting that I was wrong
and explaining my thought process on
how I got there. Okay.
So unhook that and send that to Ari's wife, please.
Yeah, I mean, that's
I literally say that. I say that
to her when we're fighting
and it drives her nuts. I have two
things. I'm like, hey, can you give me a break? I'm not a bad guy.
That's one. She hates that.
Two is hey, when I'm wrong, I do a very good job of saying i'm wrong and sorry so if i'm not doing that then
that means that we have a problem here so the problem when you do that ari as someone who's
been married a very long time is they're still mad and they accept your apology and they're glad
you apologized but they still want to be mad for a
little while and so you're gonna have to get yelled at or get the silent treatment depending on
depending on the level of offense and then it does dissipate faster because you're not being
stupid and hard-headed about it but you are still going to get punished apologizing does not change that how long does your silent treatment last if
you've done like a thing that's like six out of ten on a spicy nugs offense scale
oh i would say that's a solid three hours or so oh god if i mess up at home like i get it for like 36 hours wow yeah like i admire the commitment to
the bit oh i just think she hates me during that time like i don't think it's a bit like i think
like it is uh they uh somebody wrote they want us to suffer man and it's like she when she puts me
in the uh the coldness prison it is it is brutal you know like that walking by without making eye contact thing um but i do my
best to not uh mess up as much as i can and i did something really stupid this weekend so you know
it's not her it's me but let's let's talk about the stupid thing you did on twitter what were you
wrong about on twitter okay um so we did bubble watch, okay?
And I do bubble watch every Sunday.
Here's the graphic.
And if you notice, there's a team there in the next four out.
And that team is LSU, okay?
And you can probably make the case for Arizona and USC.
But Indiana fans got angry at me, and rightfully so,
for just nonchalantly putting a flawed LSU team in there who just lost their best player in Harold Perkins' done for the year ahead of Indiana in the next
four out, which is a rational thing because the next four out, as I mentioned on Tuesday,
are teams 16 to 20. Now, if you've been paying attention to Indiana, and I have
tangentially, but I haven't been 100% watching all their games locked in,
you would know that this is probably a top 20 team right now.
At the very least, they've done what they need to do in order to be here.
And funny enough, and the reason why LSU is getting caught in the crossfire here
is that LSU and Indiana share an opponent, and that opponent was UCLA,
and Indiana beat them better now transitive
property doesn't matter but still it's another data point but indiana went there and beat them
more soundly than lsu beat them in baton rouge exactly so at the very least we don't know whether
or not indiana is going to keep winning right like there is the danger that Indiana is a plucky, good, fun team
that has yet to play anybody really all that outstanding
and is probably going to be in a position where, you know,
they don't have to play Oregon.
They don't have to play USC this year.
They don't have to play Ohio State or Michigan until November
so that they could fake it all the way to November.
Like that is on the table.
But in this sport, with the way that this is set up with a 12-team field,
I can no
longer get away with just favoring the teams that I know have recruited better, right? Because there
are going to be more teams that make the playoff. There's going to be a ton of teams who make the
playoff now that don't recruit top 10 classes on an annual basis. And I have to do my best and do
a better job, frankly, of giving the teams that are in the mix
and rightfully in the mix the credit that they deserve
in the moments that they've earned those.
So Indiana has done that, and if Indiana beats Northwestern,
which I think they will on Saturday, they will improve to 6-0,
and they will be represented in my bubble watch.
So I wanted to say, A, that if you look at Indiana's schedule,
they play Ohio State and Michigan in November,
and there's a bye week in between those two games.
But everybody else, Northwestern, Nebraska, Washington, Michigan State, and Purdue,
if Indiana is as good as people think they might be,
and Kurt Cignetti has been a wonderful personality,
I want to try to get him on the show because I think that just a person
that talks that talk and walks that walk is just interesting especially at a place like this that there is a legitimate path
for this team to back into the playoff at 11 12 9 whatever like it the schedule sets up they don't
have Oregon they could beat Michigan it's not crazy to think they could beat Michigan like
Gary in the chat,
is the way Michigan winning football games sustainable?
That's the legitimate question.
If Michigan's offense is what we've seen the last two weeks
or the last two games, which USC and Minnesota,
if that is the offense,
Michigan can win most of their remaining games,
but Indiana is one of the games that they might lose
if they cannot throw a
forward pass.
Yeah.
Especially because Indiana's offense has been exciting.
Like,
you know,
Maryland is a maple missile.
Curtis Rourke,
Maryland hasn't been the 2000 Baltimore Ravens on defense this year,
but Indiana turned the ball over three times in the first half on Saturday
and then one by two scores.
Like that's not something that Indiana has done in the past.
And you,
the thing that Kurt Cignetti has done is a driven enthusiasm.
He sent an email blast the entire student body to get there.
He predicted the wind before it happened,
which is something we rarely see coaches if ever do.
And they upgraded their roster in the portal immediately to get guys in
there that he thought could,
could elevate the game.
So like everything
that you would want from a team that should be on bubble watch right now indiana has and this is my
olive branch of saying hey i think that this could happen and i probably made an oversight on sunday
by not putting them in and that will be rectified when they keep winning this coming Sunday. Well, I'm with you.
I think there's a chance.
Look, they have to beat Nebraska,
and I don't think that's a gimme.
I think that's going to be a great game.
But I do think they have to beat Nebraska, and they probably have to split Michigan and Ohio State.
They actually may get a mulligan.
I don't know.
Do they get a mulligan if they beat Michigan?
Can they beat 10-2 with this schedule?
Well, I think it depends on whether or not they make the Big Ten championship
because if they are 10-2 and then don't make the Big Ten championship,
then the two teams in the Big Ten championship are probably going to go
and then there might be a Notre Dame problem.
It depends on – let's put it this way.
Indiana has a chance to get in at 10 and two.
I don't, I don't know if I feel strongly either way about, yes, they will, or no, they won't
at this point because we still have a lot of, of games to watch.
But like, I do think that there is a legitimate pathway for this team to make it based on
the schedule.
Now, if the Nebraska game was Oregon, I probably wouldn't have written that column, right?
Like, I think that Indiana is a good team.
I don't know that they are a great team
that I think is going to start all of a sudden
competing with Ohio State.
The spread of that game in November
could be 31 points for all I know.
I don't know.
But in the new makeup of the sport,
it's not just about the Ohio State,
Georgia's and Alabama's anymore.
You know, I've begrudgingly shared my opinion on the expansion of the playoff a
million times.
I don't want to do it anymore.
I,
we have to embrace the new,
the new system and the new system includes teams like Indiana in that
system.
And which is fun.
Yeah.
Which is very fun because they're there.
They had no chance in the old system.
Even a team,
this good had no chance in the old system,
but see,
this is the thing. And I don't want to get dragged into this, but like Indiana did have a chance in the old system even a team this good had no chance in the old system but see this is the thing and i
don't want to get dragged into this but like indiana did have a chance in the old system
because they could still beat the teams on their schedule and get there okay so like that's the
thing like that you in the old system they are never going to be ohio state as good as he is
they're not they're never going to be that they're never going to be that. They're never going to recruit that way.
In a given year, they could beat one of them one year.
It could happen if they're really good.
Maybe. But how about this?
How about we just get a new Indiana every year and that's fun?
We let some people have some fun that don't normally get to have some fun.
So people get to go to Mother Bear's Pizza and talk about how great the hoosiers are at football because they
don't get to do that very often yeah and do you want to like split off here to a secondary
discussion before we go to the final take absolutely let's bring up raymond's comment
here and i'm going to let you sink your teeth into that one.
Do you guys think Cignetti is in this for the long haul?
I think Cignetti is going to go where he needs to go to win.
Do I think he wants to stay in Indiana forever?
He strikes me as a person who would like to win national championships.
So no, I don't think he'll be in Indiana forever.
How long will he be in Indiana?
That probably depends on the size of the check they can write him is there a certain school that you're familiar with that seems to be
that might have a job right soon interested in him at the moment like i don't know like i don't i
don't know how interested the florida people are in Cignetti. I think he would actually be a tough sell because they'd be like,
whoa, he just won at James Madison and one good year at Indiana, blah, blah, blah.
But, and I've said this about Jamie Chadwell too,
who's won at every level he's been at.
Guys who win at every level tend to just keep winning.
Kalen DeBoer,
good example of this.
Chris Kleiman is a good example of this.
Lance Leipold's not having a great year,
but he worked a miracle at Kansas.
Like,
guys who win at every level
tend to keep winning.
But I don't know that that's,
like,
I think they're going to want
something sexier than that.
Because they hired a guy from Sun Sunbelt before and that bothers them.
Yeah.
The fit thing,
the fit thing is like,
we were scarred by the Sunbelt Billy comments.
Yeah.
Rod Smith.
He doesn't know the recruiting landscape in the South.
Rod,
do you know where he worked in 2007?
Do you know,
you know what staff he was on?
Oh yeah.
He was on Nick Saban's first Alabama staff
and worked there for a while. I think he can probably handle recruiting in the South.
He just gets it. I have a lot of
respect for people and Fran Brown is doing this too a little bit who is at Syracuse
another place that you would consider. Honestly. Fran Brown, by the way, another one
if you go, well, I don't know if you can recruit in the South because he's a, you know, he's a Jersey guy recruited the Northeast.
He went to Georgia.
He recruited just fine.
Yeah, fine.
But I do like the people who go to places that are viewed as just an impossible place to win and then rock shit out there.
Like, I don't know what Syracuse Friday night.
We got a banger on television Friday night.
Okay, we're going to get to see more Fran Brown brown that team could be undefeated right now with one
different defensive call but i i do think that he is just an interesting entertaining and he he
makes you want to root for him and i think that that part of that maybe that goes away when you're
in florida because you know no one's rooting for the lovable underdog florida gators you're not a
lovable underdog yeah like like getting on stage and saying of course we want to beat purdue but
we're going after ohio state too like we're coming for your necks like that part it doesn't ring the
same at florida or somewhere like that or at auburn or at lsu like it doesn't you know but
in december you're supposed to be able to beat those teams but in december when kurt signetti was asked what's your recruiting sales pitch to get kids
to come to indiana and we're talking about a guy too by the way who is trying to recruit juju lewis
right now like how many other plate people at places like indiana and granted there is a
connection with the staff in Lewis,
have been resigned
to the notion that five-star quarterbacks are not supposed
to go there and just don't recruit kids because there's no
point in wasting time. I think that
everything that he's doing
is an admirable
way of proving that, hey, we
aren't constricted by the
expectations and what things are supposed
to happen to Indiana. We're in a Big Ten school.
We get all that Big Ten kindergarten cop money.
And like we, you know, we like that Arnold kindergarten cop money.
Like what?
OK, yeah.
I just learned yesterday what Stallone got for stopper.
My mom will shoot.
So, yeah, I think what do they get?
It was like twelve million dollars.
At a time when that was
more than anybody ever got for anything.
Yeah.
Anyway,
Olive Branch to Indiana, don't hate me.
Love you guys. Rooting for you.
I know that we're not supposed to be rooting,
but who doesn't love a good underdog
story? Now you actually have a chance
to be in the system.
You should have been included, and you will be. Just keep just keep winning though don't embarrass me now because that's what
happens everybody was tweeting at me like this is the kiss of death for indiana now you wrote this
column indiana's cooked you know you've just doomed them to lose to northwestern already that's that's
it but no they're actually really good like and i also said if your life depended on it would you
pick indiana to beat LSU?
And in the past, that would have been a good point. But this year, I'm not sure that's a great point.
What would the spread be in a hypothetical neutral site Indiana-LSU game right now?
This is a bad at math podcast, Andy, but the FPI, whatever that formula is,
at ESPN has them next to each other, 19 and 20.
And I don't know.
I don't know that I would.
So the spread would be within a couple of points.
It'd be probably.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think that the spread would also have an impact on the helmet and also like how people probably would be betting it.
So I probably think it would probably be somewhere around like seven,
if I'm being honest, not like two.
But I think that Indiana could win the game is what I'm saying.
And that, that isn't an insane thing to that.
What is it for me to say you would pick LSU if your life depended on it was
just wrong.
So anyway, that's my formal apology.
You can give me the silent treatment for 36 hours, but you know,
I'm sorry.
Just forgive me.
I'm a flawed
human i'm doing my best there you go there you go i think they're talking to you again ari all
right one more saucy take from you ari and then i will decide which is your sauciest take
this is the one you texted me about yeah this is the one you were worried about i'm just stretching
out my back a little bit before people which jumping on it. You were worried about it, but you actually said this on Saturday night's show.
So I don't know why you're that worried about it.
I believe it.
And I don't remember saying it on the show.
I thought I said he was the best Ohio State receiver.
You did.
And then you kept going, though.
But go ahead.
I'm going to look you dead in the eyes.
That's my tradition when I feel like I want to hit say something right here into the camera.
I think Jeremiah Smith is the best receiver in college football period.
Already.
Dun,
dun,
dun.
So I don't know if I was building a team.
And listen,
I know that Ryan Williams exists.
I know. I think that Luther Burton exists.
Well, I think that's interesting because Ryan Williams is another freshman.
I'm going to name receivers because we're going to stress test this statement.
So I'm going to name some receivers and you tell me how you feel about it.
That's why I'm doing this.
Okay.
And we're saying right now because i think we all agree that jeremiah smith as a you
know sophomore or junior is probably going to be the best receiver in college football like there
will be no argument about it i guess what i'm saying is about a year let me say it this way
if i was building a team and i could pick one receiver to join my team right now i would pick
jeremiah smith okay here let me i'm gonna go down the list trey harris i love trey
harris but no okay t-mac i love t-mac i i love t-mac but no because t-mac like i've done this
already smith has over most of these guys is his physical attributes are vastly superior. But T-Mac and Luther Burden from Missouri both have physical attributes
that come closer to Jeremiah Smith's.
Yeah.
Well, I'm happy that you brought that up, Andy,
because it's not just because he makes circus catches in every game.
The reason why I think that is because I think Jeremiah Smith,
his size, his athleticism, and his speed, the combination of that just makes him a freak.
He is a freak in a way that I don't know that the country has caught up to yet.
Recruit Knicks, no.
People who watch Ohio State, no.
But I think that people are probably going to get upset today.
But I think by December, people are going to be like, oh, shit.
Yeah, that was right
well yeah you got people like rocky top tom in the chat who says put up numbers against nobody's
that's for sure rocky top tom he's gonna put up numbers against everybody like you just haven't
been paying enough attention if you don't think he's gonna be able to do this against everybody
i think that jeremiah smith is a person who could play in the league like at the end of the year like
from a body type standpoint like if you've like watched an interview of him
like i don't know why i'm explaining people know who jeremiah smith is but like this guy is the
best receiver recruit of all time and like he's already cracked the number one receiver spot
basically at ohio state and likebuka is on the team.
Like, it's not like he's just beating out losers at Ohio State that no one, I mean,
Emeka Igbuka has been on first round draft boards already. And this guy's role is what it is at
Ohio State. So like, we're already seeing him in the same roster and the same receiver room as some
of the, that has similar skill sets as some of the receivers you're going to compare them to already. So like, I don't know.
Um,
now here,
here's,
here's what I will say.
What makes this interesting.
And I,
I am shocked that I'm saying this is Ryan Williams because Ryan Williams is
not physically what Jeremiah Smith is.
And if we're talking about what they can do in the NFL,
then obviously you're going
to take Jeremiah Smith every time. But in terms of what they can be in college, like could Ryan
Williams be as good as Devante Smith by his junior year? Could he be as good as Devante
Smith was in 2020? Because that's about the best receiver season I've ever seen in college football.
Yeah, no, there's no question. And like Ryan Smith, like when I say someone is the best,
that doesn't mean that the other ones stink.
Like I know Ryan Williams is really, really good.
No, and I'm just trying to compare the two right now.
But the reason why I picked Jeremiah Smith over Ryan or Ryan Williams
is the physical trait aspect of this.
Like it's not just like Ryan Williams is just really,
really fast and talented.
But like Jeremiah Smith can, like he caught one pass with one hand on from devin brown on
saturday that everyone saw on the sideline where he did this and grabbed it in but like yeah what
about the touchdown when we're at b-dubs where he caught the ball against western michigan five
yards or six yards off the line of scrimmage with his back to the defense four people around him
and then he ran to the end zone untouched like the physical attributes that this
kid has are pretty unbelievably incomparable and like we were in columbus and we had an interview
with ryan day and i asked him about jeremiah smith but like we've had discussions of like
if marvin harrison jr were still on the team like who would be the number one receiver now
it'd probably still be Marv.
I think it's still crazy to say that,
but like the fact that that's even a question like already,
like,
cause cause Marv is Marv is playing well as an NFL touchdowns every single
time he's playing in an NFL game.
But like the physical attributes of this kid and the production that he's
had so far,
like I know what is this,
what's in the tank here.
And we haven't seen it.
And it's hard to predict it
when somebody's only played five games
and they've played against bad opponents.
And Ryan Williams is 17.
But I know, I covered Ohio State for 10 years.
I know what it looks like when you see it.
And I've never seen anything like this.
Well, I'm excited to see what he can do going forward i think this is a it's a fun debate to have and it's a great saucy take in fact i am naming this the sauciest take of the week because
it is saucy producer river asked a good question like would you take him over travis hunter now i
think yeah in fairness to the discussion you have have to ignore Travis Hunter as a cornerback.
Yeah, because I would take Travis Hunter as a player because he does both always because you because you get a number one corner to like.
Yeah.
So we know for sure, like what Hunter is going to be in the league is Hunter.
No, we don't.
I think I think it's trending toward receiver.
But look, Bill Belichick is going to be back in the NFL next year.
Somebody's going to be...
You only get 53 guys on a roster.
Somebody's going to say, you know what?
I'm going to play this guy both ways.
Because he is physically just different than everybody else.
Nobody should be able to play every snap the way he does.
So he could actually give you...
Let's say you made him a full-time receiver he could give you half the the defensive snaps quality reps in the nfl
as in like a nickel corner it's insane the only thing that that scares me about him is he's just
not very big that's all and that's okay playing corner receiver that's fine yeah i don't know just like
when you think like tyron williams running at him like it's just a different ball game up there you
know what i mean like you're gonna have to step up and make hits i don't but he's a i'm not saying i
don't think that he's great i love him he's gonna be my heisman guy but like the thing that is great
about him and the reason why he should win the heisman Andy is that we're having a legitimate discussion right now on a podcast in October that we don't know what position he should play in the NFL.
It's not just what should he play in college.
He's good enough to play in the NFL.
But Hunter has ball skills that will make your jaw drop.
Which is why I think it's trending toward receiver um but i just
everybody who listens to the show is smart and they uh follow the game the way that we do and
they're very aware of jeremiah smith everybody's gonna know who this kid is by the end of november
everybody steven wilson says he thinks the indiana take is the spiciest i don't i think
if you just said they will make the playoff,
I'd have definitely made that the spiciest take.
But the fact that, like, talking about that they can, no,
that assumes they have to win the Michigan game,
which is no easy assumption.
But, yeah, they can.
It's saucy, but it's not crazy.
Yeah, no, the Jeremiah Smith one right now,
five games into his college career, four games into his college career is the sauciest one.
But again, we're going to look back on it probably in a year and be like, of course, of course he is.
What are we even talking about?
What are we talking about?
So I love it, though.
This is what I have to say.
This is about Ryan Williams, though.
Ryan Williams changing his picture on Instagram to Michael Vick holding a dog
and, like, kill everybody on his – like, that dude is electric.
So, like, I don't want to, like, get through this conversation
and not give that guy his flowers because, buddy, we're talking about
not only a person who's very good at football,
but I think he's going to be an eccentric personality
and somebody we're talking about quite a bit.
The sport is in good hands with these receivers moving forward.
Have we confirmed the kill everybody is a tribute to Al and Mac?
Because if it is, the kid's a cinephile, and I appreciate that.
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