Andy & Ari On3 - Is Bill Belichick going to coach North Carolina or not? | What Carson Beck injury means for Georgia

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

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Ari, the diehards know we've had some issues today. Streamyard, the app we use to deliver us live onto YouTube and onto X, was not letting our beautiful audio come through. They were showing our faces, which I don't think anybody actually wants to see, but not letting anybody hear our voices, which I don't think anybody actually wants to see, but not letting anybody hear our voices, which I'm not sure anybody wants to hear, but I think they'd rather hear us than see us.

Yeah. Beautiful voices is probably the right way to put it because it's certainly not the faces, but hey, you know what? This is the wonderful thing with technology, right? Like it opens up our world and allows us to do things unimaginable 20 years ago, but at the same time, when it messes up, it's the most infuriating and terrible thing in the world. So we're doing our best. We're going to be here and oh, we're going to pin this on me. Not your fault.

We, we need to change. We'll probably have to change the graphic because this is definitely not Ari's fault. A hundred percent not Ari's fault, but that's the only that's the only mic graphic I have at my disposal right now and I'm just trying to work through it. The frustration level is high. Like it's it's funny because when it was happening everybody in the chat was blaming me. So you you've uh trained the audience. I've trained them well. If there's a technical issue especially as it pertains to hearing us it's probably my fault. You. If there's a technical issue, especially as it pertains to hearing us, it's probably my fault. You know what, that's a burden I'm going to have to shoulder because I actually have had one or two or three or five too many issues with this stuff.

But I'm excited that I can at least hear you. Not since that beautiful microphone you're talking into right now though. Yeah, all you have to do is come to Dallas and fix all of the ails in my life. That's how my wife feels about Andy and that's how the audience should feel about him too. Thank you so much for doing all these things.iles in my life. That's how my wife feels about Andy and that's how the audience feel about him too. Thank you so much for for doing all these things and you know what? It's the thing about life. We're still gonna do a show. The show must go on. It's not live. We're sorry about that but this should be on YouTube here shortly and you

guys can enjoy the show that way. What's funny is we're gonna talk about Bill Belichick and he's gonna either take the North Carolina job or not take the North Carolina job or not take the North Carolina job at some point during the conversation. We're going to talk about the transfer portal and there's going to be like a hundred more people in the portal than when we recorded it. Although we just got a notification from Hayes Fawcett, the great Hayes Fawcett. got a notification from Hayes Fawcett. The great Hayes Fawcett Williams Nweri, who was the number one D line

recruit in the country in the class of 2024. Is transferring out of Missouri all four years of eligibility intact. That's going to be a big ticket item. I think you know what's funny and it's it's just like maybe it's the time of year. Maybe it's just the reality of college football these days,

but like how the news cycle changed with newspapers and how like people didn't want their news the following day because things were so, it's like, how do people do podcasts that were prerecorded back in the day? Like it's like now we're not live and we've got to go through an hour long show, terrified that we're gonna be outdated

by the time it goes up like that. So like the news cycle for podcasting now is live or don't do it? Is that where we're at with technology? I think we're gonna have to be able to know the future before. We can be evergreen. Well, we'll just do the the Gerald Ford dead-to-date 83 Saturday live sketch where they pretend to be Tom Brokaw and just pre tape the headlines. And that's really all you can do. I guess we could also just like do this in a way where we talk through the Belichick thing and if he doesn't take the job or he does, it works both ways.

You know, like just like we are doing this before we know what happens, but we're going to have a discussion about North Carolina, Bill Belichick, whether that specific thing makes sense. But I think we can have a discussion in a way that, you know, makes you question or wonder about certain types of hires everywhere, you know, and still make it interesting. So this thing may also stretch out Ari. That's the thing.

It, there may not, we're, we're only talking about like an hour delay before our show goes up. There may not be a resolution to it because this, this is complicated. This is more complicated than I think people realize because there's a power struggle going on at North Carolina that has been going on for a while. And it is manifesting itself in this coaching search. Basically, you've got a board of trustees chair who does not like the athletic director. Like he tried to kneecap Bubba Cunningham, John Pryor is the name of the board of trustees chair. He tried to kneecap Bubba Cunningham in May because he wanted to see more detailed financials from the athletic department. And so remember that right as ACC spring meetings started, he gave an interview with Inside Carolina that essentially just ripped Bubba Cunningham. And now you're seeing this situation where he did not agree with the handling of the firing of Mac Brown.

And now this is sort of spilling out into, this is my preferred candidate. This is my preferred candidate. And it's really interesting because if you want to kneecap your AD, one way to do it is to make everybody think you're going to get Bill Belichick and then you, and then maybe you don't. Yeah, it's a college athletics gets dirty man. We've seen we've seen some weird stuff happen in Auburn in the past. Like we've we're seeing this now. Like it's just it's a dirty game and the funniest thing about it is is that everybody who usually

is involved in these types of things wants the same result, you know, but I also think that this function like this leads to it becoming harder to be good or to be successful. So we'll see how this all pans out, but you know on the surface the bill Belichick. Rumors smoke whatever you want to call it are interesting at the very least. Absolutely, absolutely because this is. The guy that I would assume most people consider the greatest football

coach of all time. We say Nick Saban is the greatest college coach of all time, and I don't think there's any debate about that. But Bill Belichick won six Super Bowls as a head coach, two as a defensive coordinator with the Giants. Nobody's been able to do anything like that. Because it's a league designed for equity. Nobody's supposed to win that much and he figured out how now you can argue that it was Tom Brady. I think it was probably a combination of both. But. The idea that this person could jump into college

football is very intriguing, but he's also 70 72 years old. I just googled greatest football coach of all time. AI helped me out with this. Okay, Bill Belichick is number two on the list. If you do the AI already Don Shula came up. Yeah, Bobby has the the yeah Shula has the NFL wins record that that Bill Belichick is chasing and that's a piece that's a piece of this discussion. Yeah the AI thing is gonna take over the world we can have a podcast about that in March but coaches from the Google came up Bill Belichick was number one Nick Saban was to you and had Fitz Lombardi, John Madden, Tom Landry, Don

Shula, Bill Parcells, Andy Reid, and Bill Walsh. Those were the, when you type it in, that's what comes up. I think the AI, I would like to hear the AI's case for Shula. He does have the most all-time wins, but nowhere near the number of Super Bowls. With 347 wins, Shula holds the NFL record for most wins. He also won two Super Bowls and was named Coach of the Year four times. That's what AI said.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, Bill Belichick won six. So... I mean, argue with the robots, pal. I know, Bill Belichick had to do it when there was free agency, and Bill Belichick had to do it when there was free agency and Bill Belichick to do it when the the draft was Seven rounds and not twelve and this is You want context in reason from the robots? Is that what you want? You know, I actually don't want I really don't want the robots to learn context and reason because that's what they put us out of

A job and we're done not out of a job out of the world I'm not a big sci-fi guy, but those movies tend to also all end the same way. And you know, I the thing I don't understand about about it real quick is that we are trying our best to make all those horror sci-fi movies come true. We don't want them to have reason. We don't want them to be smart. Like we're doing it. Like I feel like human humans are doing it. Yes, is it kind of scary?

It's like nobody watched Terminator or Terminator 2. Maybe it's your fault because you don't like those movies. Like it's people like you who haven't watched Terminator 2 who don't know how this ends. I guess it's true. It is kind of my fault because if I have seen Terminators, by the way, that's there's a line. Okay. I've seen those movies and they're badass. Okay. Uh yeah, but if more people watch the Terminator, then maybe they would stop trying to get AI to be smarter than us. Well, it's not smarter yet because if it was, it would say Bill Belichick is the greatest football coach of all time. The question is whether Bill Belichick is

going to come coach in college. Now, he went on Pat McAvee's show yesterday and he sounded like a man who's very interested in this job, but either hasn't been offered it or hasn't decided he would accept it. Because there was a lot of if, if, if, if, if, if I did this, if I did this, if I did this. And, but he sounded like he had a plan. If he did this. It didn't sound like a gimmick to me. Like he, he did research and understand, like, listen, you don't become a coach that's in the conversation for

greatest coach of all time without having an understanding of how it works at other levels too, right? Because you learn from other levels. What, you know, the NFL has learned a lot from college and vice versa. Like you're, you're in the world, you're around coaches all the time, you know how the world works. The question is, is whether or not it makes sense. Now, we had a discussion about this yesterday in Nashville when we were together. But my thought that scares me, before we get into all the positives of what this could bring, is that we have seen coaching hires of similar ilk in the past that have not worked out well. Now, that said, those similar coaching hires in the past weren't not worked out well. Now that said, those similar coaching hires in the past weren't the greatest coach of all time or a coach that created an NFL dynasty, which is, I think, inarguably harder than doing it in college because of the talent discrepancy

and the lack thereof. But retread hires is the word I'm going to use. Coaching names that have big splashes that everybody gets excited about, but then when you actually get two or three years into the tenure, there's not much substance behind. Herm Edwards comes to mind. Charlie Weiss comes to mind.

Less Miles comes to mind. It's not always NFL to college. It's just big names that have accomplished stuff in their careers that are on the downturn of both career and age. The Kevin Sumlin, Arizona tenure when when both career and age. You mentioned the Kevin Sumlin Arizona tenure when we were talking about that too. Kevin Sumlin got hired at Arizona

because Arizona's administration wanted to trick people in Tucson into thinking they did something because he has a recognizable name. And Bill Belichick is the absolute supercharged version of those things because he's bill bella check right like. So the thing that scares me is if you're seventy two years old. Your firing a coach that you're that's basically the same age be in part because he had and got it done to be is getting up there age it just seems like a bizarre move but then on the other hand when you start breaking down the positives of it, like this could be different too. So like, I think that you and I both were, you know, amused by the report last week,

cause we didn't think this actually could come true. But now that it seems like there was more traction to this and that, like by the end of Tuesday, it's like within the realm of possibility that he could be named their coach. You actually do have to start to break it down and think, well, OK, maybe this isn't just a retread higher. Maybe there's something to it that he could bring to the table that those guys in the past couldn't. Well, one of the things that he's pointed out is watching his son Steve work as the Washington defensive coordinator under

Jed Fish, he's seen his system implemented in college now. Because I think the one concern is, could Bill Belichick's defense be translated to college students who have to go to class, who are not full-time employees, who are not in the building all day every day? Although we kind of know that that's not entirely true. They are basically employees. They are in the building all day every day. And if you watch the Huskies this year, it looked like they picked up the defense. It was not a great year for them, but we didn't expect it to be a great year for them because it was a complete rebuild after the whole roster was gone. So he's seen that now. So there's a little proof of concept there, but I also wonder, is this bill Belichick just reminding the folks in the NFL who did not hire him last

year, did not hire him in last cycle. I'm here. I'm bill Belichick for God's sake. What are you guys doing? Give me a job. And you know, we are less than 12 hours removed from an absolute disaster piece by the Dallas Cowboys, where basically, and look, it's not, it's probably not Mike McCarthy's fault that a guy who just got called up off the practice squad tried

to touch a block punt. And it went through his hands and the Bengals recovered. But it doesn't help Mike McCarthy and what it does help Bill Belichick, my fantasy team who got into the playoffs because of the Jamar Chase touchdown reception at the end of the game. So thank you very much for that. But Andy. So here's the question I have and I don't follow the NFL like I watch it as a fan, but I don't follow the the reporting.

We don't cover it. Yeah, we don't cover it. A large part of what drove Bill Belichick, I think during his time in the NFL and I was kind of looking this up last night because he even was like a quasi GM for the Browns 20 years ago or 30 years ago, whatever it was, is the personnel piece to it. And I think that the thing that you would question with Bill Belichick as an NFL franchise,

I don't know if this is right or wrong, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Bill Belichick doesn't just want a head coaching job, he also wants to be in charge of personnel too, right? And I- I think you're exactly right. And if that's what's holding people up, I can understand that,

especially considering the fact that things didn't end on a great note in New England. So like the college piece, if like making and building and molding your team is what he loves, which might be the thing that drives him. Being a college coach is allows him to do that. He can pick his pieces. He can figure out how to allocate NIL and revenue share money when the time comes. He can try to mold the roster into what he thinks it should look like in order to win that way. And I don't know if that opportunity is going to be available in the NFL to him. So that's a second, that's a secondary way of looking at this because if assembling the rosters fills his love tank as much as actually coaching the players on the team, then college might just be his best option at this point.

That's true. And the thing is, like, if you have a traditional NFL power structure where you have a GM who makes the football personnel decisions and then the coach makes the football X's and O's decisions, personnel decisions and then the coach makes the football X's and O's decisions, the front office people don't want you to hire Bill Belichick because they know ultimately if he's successful he's gonna fire them. Which is why I don't understand the Dallas Cowboys stuff. Well here's why. Here's why the Cowboys are different because Jerry and Steven Jones run personnel for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. They ain't firingboys. Yeah. They ain't firing themselves. Right.

So that's why it doesn't make any sense. They, well, they, but they could bring in Bill Belichick to, to, to coach the team and Bill could make suggestions about personnel all he wants, but they're the owners and remember that's what Bill Parcells did with them and they managed it with Parcells till, till they didn't. did with them and they managed it with parcels till till they didn't but that would probably be the only situation where the personnel decision makers would not be scared of Bill Belichick. Yeah, no, there's no question and it would be dysfunctional.

I think so. So, highly and highly entertaining too, but to your point, but I don't know that that would be attractive to Pibela Cecho at all anyway. Like I think he wants to go to a place knowing that he's king shit, right? Like he doesn't want to go in there and listen to, and also to again, rudimentary understanding of the NFL because I don't cover it the way I do with college football.

But like, hasn't, haven't the Cowboys been pretty terrible at their personnel decisions? Is that part of the reason why they've been bad for the most part since 1995? But Jerry ain't firing himself. And that's the difference. As I drink my diet Dr. Pepper, I got out of a Dallas gas station that says Cowboys on it. Exactly. Yeah, I mean Jerry runs your town. But yeah, Jerry's not firing himself.

Even if he made not the best decision in the whole wide world, resigning DAC, resigning CDLAM, uh, really you could have just resigned Micah Parsons, redone the offense and you probably wouldn't be in, in cap hell. And it, and isn't there, isn't there like a concern that they're going to lose Parsons who would be the last of those three that I would want to lose? I don't think they're going to lose him, but I think so, but yeah, I mean, that's

the thing it's, it's, it's just a strange situation and I just, I think you're right about the college piece of it where he could come in. He would be the king. He'd be able to do what he wants. Like he's got a podcast now. Did you know that we have we have to compete with Bill Belichick here in the podcast space? I mean, the guy's an electric personality. So sometimes you just have to lay your sword down and accept taking an L, you know, I, I, so I listened to some, some episodes of that podcast. Yeah. And it was very interesting to me because he does it with Mike Lombardi, who's a former NFL GM.

He was the GM of the Browns and he did a lot of personnel work with Bill Belichick over the years and with Matt Patricia, former head coach of the lions, but who always was on the Bill Belichick staffs before that and then famously. Was a defensive coordinator who became the offensive coordinator in a pretty much disastrous season. Matt Patricia is a really good.

Natural sounding podcast host. Yeah, yeah, really good. How was the content? It's good because these guys know what they're talking about. podcast host. Yeah, yeah, really good. How was the content? It's good because these guys know what they're talking about. And so when they're breaking down NFL teams, they understand, you know, very clearly and I think they translate it very well. What I think he would do at North Carolina is it's a

probably be a getting the band back together situation. Mike Lombardi is your GM, Matt Patricia is maybe your DC. Is Joe Judge working right now? Could he be your special teams coordinator? He's looked at college jobs throughout the years. He almost became Mississippi State's head coach at one point. So, you know, that's my question is, you could probably do whatever you want in college

because you're Bill Belichick. At this point, I don't know if you can do that in the NFL, even though you're Bill Belichick. Yeah, so, okay, so let's talk about it from the college aspect then, because this is a college football podcast. Is making a program that's just the NFLcation of an ACC school a sellable and good plan to you?

Do you think that Jed Fish's plan at Washington is a good plan because this is simply a Belichick-ized version of that, which by the way, Jed Fish probably got advice from Bill Belichick eyes version of that which by the way Jed fish probably got advice from Bill Belichick before he became a head coach at Arizona the first time yeah I mean it's interesting because I do think that it's a good plan what Jed did at Washington to hire a bunch of people including Bill Belichick son in order to you know have that NFL college program, right?

They tell that to people. They want you to know that when you go to Washington, you will be in a NFL-like system designed solely to help develop players to the next level. So like that's it. But it's also like NFL by proxy. And I know that Jed spent time in the NFL, but like getting the actual person that like, like it's also like NFL by proxy and I know that Jed spent time in the NFL but like getting the actual person that like it's different between saying hey I used to work with bill Belichick and this is a son and.

You know we know how it works in the NFL and then actually just being bill Belichick right like so going. To that. But I think the question that I really have here, Andy, more than anything is, is that do you think North Carolina, a team that played in the ACC Championship game two years ago, is that a place where it needs to, you know, bend over in a way like contort its body in a way to just be so different that it tries something? It takes a home run swing. Like I said this to you yesterday, and I think it kind of struck a nerve, but I want to say it on the show because it's good podcasting, but it felt or feels kind of gimmicky to me.

Do you think that's an unfair categorization of this? And do you think that North Carolina needs to do something like this in order to be, be competitive? I don't think they have to do something like this, but I also think the way this search has unfolded that they've, they have eliminated a lot of candidates who probably would have considered this job or would have taken this job. Now, John Somerall said he's going back to Tulane and if this hadn't been such a ham-fisted search, I would imagine he'd have listened to them.

Matt Campbell, I don't think even wanted to listen to them. think even wanted to listen to them. Had it not been such a, you know, messed up search, I would imagine he would have at least listened. He'd be great for the job. I don't know if he would take it. He seems like he's got a pretty good situation at Iowa State now. But that's a hard job. I think North Carolina is probably an easier job than Iowa State. But he's also smart enough to know. I'm aligned with my ID things are working.

There's not somebody trying to to get my ID fired. I think things could go pretty well here rather than inviting the turmoil that seems to be happening there. Well, when you said that North Carolina was an easier job than Iowa State like I had a little little like moment of doubt there. I mean, I step back and you're right. You're probably

right. But we have to not it's not by a huge margin, but we have to acknowledge the challenges that North Carolina is facing. And I'm going to tell you what those challenges are just based on on knowledge of the situation, but also being able to read the tea leaves here. So I went to Chapel Hill in 2020, right before COVID broke out. I actually got a notification on my phone as I was leaving Mac Brown's office saying first reported case of COVID in America, just so you know. But on that trip, Mac Brown sold his vision for North Carolina, how they were going to recruit, how the state of North Carolina itself is a very underutilized state or under recruited state in comparison to the amount of talent they had, very underrated, and that they were going to attack those players

and do a very good job in Virginia and the surrounding states on top of that. And for the first two years of his tenure there, North Carolina did a very good job. If you go back and look at like guys like Tony Grimes, I know it didn't pan out for him in college. Keishon Silver, who I believe is in the portal right now. These are five star players that North Carolina signed that they might not have been able now he was a legacy. It's a legacy. So I think it's a little bit different. But Sam Howell is a guy that that Mac flipped on day one of having the job. Yeah and if you go like look up North Carolina's classes like they have gotten guys that you would not think they would be able to get under Mac Brown at the very beginning tenure of at the very beginning of his tenure. Now, the thing that is interesting is if you've actually looked between the lines. In the 24 and 25 classes, North Carolina is not competing on the most part on the grand scale with the teams that it was competing with before. I mean, in the 2022 class, they signed five star defensive lineman Travis

Shaw, five star offensive tackle Zach Rice, top end wide receiver Andre Green Jr. out of Virginia. And you know, they're doing a very good job in North Carolina in Virginia specifically. And they're not competing against those teams anymore. The big time teams because North Carolina, from what I understand, is not in a position from an NIL standpoint to compete financially with the types of players that they were getting before. So you've seen a downswing in the in-state talent in North Carolina, but then also their ability to go outside of state and get guys that Mac Brown was able to get three years ago, which makes it to me a very, very challenging job. Beautiful campus, gorgeous uniforms, power

for conference, difficult job. So the question with Bill Belichick is, is that are you are you put in a position if you are an administrator at North Carolina to understand the financial limitations of your program? And if it's funny enough, like you'll go see, you know, North Carolina basketball forums complaining about NIL, which, you know, it's not just a football thing. Like if North Carolina basketball is struggling with that, then like, what are we doing, right? So, do they have to go get a guy like Bill Belichick, you know, pay him more in order to get him there

to do something different so they can get the NIL discount of playing for him. And in that way, it would make a hire like this actually closer to Colorado's Dion Sanders hire. Exactly, but in like the exact position they have to be in. But this is and this is not I'm not saying that that the Deon's because Deon's hire has turned out to not be a stunt. Like Deon has been a good coach at Colorado. We were, we were wrong about that going into this season. He proved us wrong. And the thing about it is Deion makes it so that Colorado can be in on players that it wouldn't normally be in on, that they probably don't have the resources to compete for. But being in Deion's orbit helps you you helps you from an NIL

standpoint, helps you from a platform standpoint. It matters and he's probably gonna have a Heisman winner here shortly. But here's the thing about Colorado that North Carolina does not have and I don't think Bill Belichick has and correct me if you disagree. If North care, I mean if Colorado can't pay what you want from an NIL standpoint up front, in terms of like guaranteed come here, here's what you get. The on Sanders could probably look a young man in the eyes and say, we'll make it up to you on the back end. Like we'll get you in an ad commercial or we'll do something. You'll be in a KFC commercial.

Like we'll figure it out. And cause he can do that. I don't know that Bill Belichick can do that. What Bill Belichick can offer is. What Bill Belichick can offer is a lot of the same thing that Kirby Smart will say that Nick Saban always said is, I can develop you to be a first round draft pick, which Nick Saban got the Nick Saban discount early in the NIL era because he made first rounders better than anybody else. I think Kirby Smart still gets that. I think Ohio State. I don't know that they probably don't get it as much anymore, but I think certain positions like if you're

a receiver going to Ohio State, you probably are willing to take that over a less lucrative offer because of the first rounders they make. Yeah. And the good news about that, though, is that at the right place if you usually places that have a ton of first rounders also are the places that are paying the most on the front end because first rounders are developed, but they're also recruited. So yeah, you know if you go look at Ohio State's first round

draft picks like it's just five star player after five star player too. So like it's it's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but still like when you look at that North Carolina, if they know that they are unable to compete with Georgia Clemson, you know, other teams that are recruiting that region of the country. Do you go get Bill Belichick who can get people? In a different way?

And do you feel like you have to? I don't think you feel like you have to, but I think now that you've presented him as an option, you probably need to close it. Because unfortunately, even if you make a good hire of a current college coach, if this doesn't work, your fan base is gonna be like, you told us we were getting Bill Belichick. Yeah, this is this is a tough situation to be like, you need

him to come now. Because whoever you hire will seem like a let down. Even if it's a good producer river Vault for life goes where's Gruden actually Gruden would take this job It's so funny that that Gruden who was the guy that every time the Tennessee jobs open that that fan base We got to get John Gruden now Gruden actually wants a college job and the fan bases aren't clamoring for him Well, it's funny that you bring up Tennessee because I feel like Tennessee is like the direct reason why North Carolina is a harder job than it was two years ago. Right. Like it's like and when Philip Fulmer was there, they recruited North Carolina really well, too.

And the thing is like George's recruited North Carolina, Todd Gurley's from North Carolina. It's been a it's always been a challenge for them to keep their best players in state So Tennessee is most aggressive or one of the more aggressive teams in the in the in the compensation packages so if they're gonna go after the guys in this like you get Mack Brown said, North Carolina is a Majorly ignored state despite the fact that there are really good players there But Tennessee is always ignored anymore.'t think it's ignored anymore. Well, it's not that it is anymore, but the team that emphasizes it, Tennessee, wins battles

easier now. Well, let's be real. So, you think there's a correlation between Tennessee's financial input or financial output and North Carolina's demise from a recruiting standpoint? Or is that just like a, you want to make a 30 for 30 on that? It's not that difficult. Well, you Well, and you also have another orange team nearby that yeah, but that orange team is also limited from what I understand. So yeah, but Clemson is going to be less limited pretty soon here. So with the rev share and but yeah, as as producer River points out, James Pierce is from Charlotte. That's Tennessee's best edge rusher, one of the best edge rushers in the country.

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I'm going to put you on the spot. Oh, no, please. We'll see if we can predict the future. And who knows because this nothing may have happened by the time people see this. If you are putting odds on this North Carolina hire Bill Belichick or the field. The field. That's what I like. The longer this goes. That's what what I think too. It's just because of how long it's taken like the portal opened yesterday. This report came out last week. Like we are like the timing isn't making sense to me. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

Ari, let us let's talk about that portal because there's a lot going on in the portal. We had Lane Kiffin tweeting today and I think people might have taken this the wrong way. He basically retweeted an ESPN story about Duke quarterback Malik Murphy planning to enter the transfer portal. And I, there were people who maybe haven't checked the bowl matchups yet that were assuming this is lane trying to recruit Malik Murphy. Ole Miss is playing Duke in the bowl game. It's him basically saying, oh, the really good starter for the nine win team

that we have to play in the bowl game is not playing and pointing that out. Because I think anybody who saw Austin Simmons take over for Jackson Dart for that one drive against Georgia, you're pretty pretty confident that that's QB wanted Ole Miss next year. Yeah, he looked really, really good and I guess the real question I have for you is how many conclusions can you draw off of one drive?

I guess if that drives against Georgia, I think you can draw more, right? I don't know. I think you can draw more and you can also draw that they, you know, Walker Howard in the transfer portal is Telling because that says oh Ome Ome this probably has their guy already But yeah, I am curious to see what happens next speaking of Duke

to lane quarterback Darien Mensah Pete Thamel reporting that Darien Mensah is going to visit Duke. So it's just musical chairs like and I don't know where Malik Murphy goes. Malik Murphy remember started at Texas had that great spring game. But obviously there's Quinn and there's Arch and Malik Murphy did start two games for Texas in 2023. two games for Texas. In 2023. But.

He showed himself to be very good at Duke this year. I'm assuming this is a move to the SEC of the Big 10. I'm just not exactly sure where yet. So he's a very interesting prospect because like if you go look he had a pretty good year this year and Duke finished nine and three and probably should have been ranked and If you've ever been around Malik Murphy in person, and I think you have right yeah, this guy is an absolute unit like he has He will have NFL draft analysts and Scouts drooling, if not already.

And the thing that is interesting about Malik Murphy Andy is that when he joined football in general, I don't, I think he was like a sophomore or junior in high school, like he got a very late start and his physical traits made him a take for Texas. Knowing that he was a project. They took him knowing that he hadn't played a lot of football. So as he has gone through his development at Texas, as he had a pretty good year at Duke, leading them to a ton of wins, by the way, if he is on the verge now at his next

step of taking that like experience to the next level and matching it with his physical physical traits. Like I think and I don't know if this is hyperbolic that whoever gets him could have a first round pick a quarterback next year. So like this is if you think that he can reach his potential. So I don't know when you say Big Ten at SEC. I agree with you. I felt like this move is a move up, right? Like, isn't that how you took this?

It would have to be. It would have to be. And so interestingly enough, Tyler Van Dyke went into the transfer portal from Wisconsin. You remember he was supposed to be the Wisconsin starter this year. He gets hurt against Alabama out for the season. It sounds like Tyler Van Dyke may

be headed to Duke, where he would reunite with Manny Diaz, who was the coach who signed him originally at Miami. Right. This is a classic transfer portal dot connecting. Do you think that Tyler Van Dyke is the response to Malik Murphy going in or the or the reason for Malik? I'm guessing response. I'm guessing response. Yeah, so so Yeah, I don't know where Malik is gonna end up But anybody who listened to this show or until Saturday while you and I were apart like I was obsessed with him You know how I get with oh, yeah guys who have the well, especially guys who have a great spring game

Everybody loves the guy who has the great spring. What he also like I thought played fairly well in his spot starts for Texas to preserve their playoff run last year. That K state game was a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was thrilling, but they won, right? Um, he did. And that was a year and a half ago. So combine the measurables and what he's physically able to do with experience. I mean, that was always going to be the thing with him, whether he stayed in Texas or not. And you put where would you put him? You go put him at a Wisconsin or you go put him at a

place like that and you match him up with some guys. Maybe that would be great. I don't know. What if he was a Penn State or something like that would be incredible. And we don't know what Penn State situation we assume is Bo Purbula because they've been putting him into games and using him quite a bit, but we don't know that yet. So that's the tricky part with all this. Other QB news, Pete Nakos reporting this morning,

we mentioned Walker Howard leaving Ole Miss. Walker Howard, according to Pete Nacos, has committed to be a raging Cajun at Louisiana. So this is a guy who started at LSU, went to Ole Miss, didn't win the job, and now he's dropping down to the Sun Belt to go to a place where he can play. Yeah, and I guess like when you think about the portal and the diversification of talent, you know, getting. A player with physical skill sets like that to go to Louisiana is exciting, you know, and and good for him to be able to play and instead of being trapped as a second string or

third string, you know player on. Yeah, really, really good football team that they'll never play at. Spread it around a little bit. That's an exciting move. So another big piece of news, and I think some of the biggest news that we're going to get in the next few weeks is the guys who are staying where they are. Because retention is more important than getting that great guy out of the portal if you already have that great guy. So Dylan Stewart, the great freshman edge rusher at South Carolina is going to be at South Carolina again next year. Now remember there was a story that leaked out of South Carolina a few weeks ago that said the price on Dylan Stewart's gonna be in the neighborhood of one and a half million

dollars well guess what he's staying at South Carolina and our guy Pete Naco is reporting that the deal is between a million and a million five now that's a big gap so we don't know the exact numbers there but it sounds like they understood what the market was gonna be if Dylan Stewart went on the open market and made sure he didn't. Yeah, it's called a big boy football. That's good. Yeah, because if you have Lenora Sellers and Dylan Stewart and this is the this is the part the transfer portal either accelerates your ascent or accelerates your your descent. Well, you saw you saw

what Kenny Dillingham said, right? Yesterday, I don't know if you saw this, about how he is proud of Arizona State supporters stepping up for the NIL, but that the reality of the situation is that when you are successful it becomes more expensive, right? Because then all of a sudden you've got good players and you need to retain those players while also replacing the ones who leave. So it's like on one hand you pay money to get people, you find some success or you bring people in and then they find more success on your team while you win. Guess what happens? They become more coveted by other teams and it's more

expensive to retain them. So and also too, like it's just the way the pros pro contracts work too, right? Like's just the way the pros pro contracts work too, right? Like you you sign a deal if you perform really well, then your next deals more like that's that's the way it works so to go back to our original discussion on the show.

For a lot of the Patriots dynasty, Bill Belichick was kind of the best as as the GM at deciding when somebody got too expensive and when to cut bait and go try to find somebody less expensive at that position, who if you evaluate right, can give you similar production. Like that's, that's the thing. And that's the reason these NFL guys are now intrigued about college, because that's a skill set you're going to have to have in college. Exactly. It's right into what you just said. Exactly. 100%. All right. So this is this has been an interesting time for fandom. I get a lot of tweets about this and people

saying I love the regular season. I love the postseason. I love the games. I don't necessarily love all the transactional stuff. I also see the numbers and see that there are lots of people who do really enjoy following the transactional stuff, whether they admit it or not. Yeah, yeah. And I think I don't think it's to the level of NBA fandom or NFL fandom because I think the transactional piece of it like there are certain NBA and NFL fans who are more excited about the transactions than they are the games. I don't think we're there. I think yeah agency is pretty is a pretty important element of just and hood in general yeah yeah it's like it's like. Yeah, it's like, it's like, yeah, fan, you know, fan fiction, like, can you can you create the dream up the ultimate team? And sometimes in the NBA that actually happens. So I understand where that's, I don't think college football is ever going to get to that where fans are more excited about transactions than the game.

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He now has Georgia in a position to potentially win the national title, but I'm not sure he's going to be able to help in this situation. Georgia acknowledging that he has an elbow injury. They did not discuss the severity of it, but not sure he's going to be able to help in this situation. Georgia acknowledging that he has an elbow injury, they did not discuss the severity of it, but the way the way it was presented with a curvy smart quote in the Georgia release, which basically is is Carson and his family are examining other treatment options, that doesn't sound real good. Yeah. And you know, they do have a bi-week, but like you don't have the whole month anymore, right?

But you basically do. They got about, they got about three weeks. Their game is the night of January 1st. So that's the time frame here. But I would say probably need to get Gunner stockedton ready. And I think it's

interesting because it was very clear when Gunner Stockton came in the game and he did a good job in that game, but it was a very limited menu that he was operating from. I don't think that's a case of Gunner Stockton doesn't know the playbook. I think that's a case of, this is a, this is not a situation where you had the backup playing a lot with the ones in practice. You had a defined starter who was the guy, and so Gunner Stockton probably didn't have a lot of experience with the ones.

Now, if Carson Beck is indeed out, Gunner Stockton is going to get all the snaps with the ones I would imagine the full menus available to him when they play against the winner of the Notre Dame Indiana game. I also thought that Mike menus available to him when they play against the winner of the Notre Dame Indiana game. I also thought that Mike Bo did a good job with design. Yeah, you know, easy low or high percentage

plays, you know, like I was complaining about it during the game as we were watching it was like they keep writing the same. They just keep throwing it behind the line of scrimmage or it was working because they did it in different ways. It wasn't the same play over and over again and You know Gunnar Stockton took a massive hit but also to the poise that he had to step up into the In the pocket there and get that first down with the game on the line He set up the game winning touchdown like he won them the game so and also too. We have to acknowledge this I don't think that Carson Becks played very well this year

Yes, second half of the season and it's not like Georgia was lighting it up on offense before he came out of the game. In fact, I think that the stat was that Gunnar Stockton's first drive. They got more yardage on that first drive than Georgia did the entire first half. So you know, I don't know that I believe this to be the doomsday scenario for Georgia, you know, and the hope obviously is that Carson Beck, who's given a lot to the program and has been there for two years, gets healthy enough to play. You want to see these teams be at their peak selves when they're

playing in playoff games on January 1st. But at the same time, too, I think with three weeks to prepare either way, like Gunnar Stockton is more than capable of winning a football game. He already did it in the SEC championship game against a very good opponent. Well, and the thing is they're going to see Indiana or Notre Dame. Both of those teams have very good defenses. Texas is one of the few teams that may have a better defense than both of those teams. So Gunnar Stockton is already seen about as rough as it can get in a big game. And so even though you're going to have to play a really

good defense, no matter who wins that first round game, they're probably not as good as Texas's defense, which is just a compliment to Texas's defense, not not a knock on Notre Dame or Indiana because both those defenses have been awesome all season. Yeah, no question about it. So, you know, super excited about it. And you know what? This could just be the first page of or the first preview to of turning the page of the future because it looks like he might be their guy next year. So, yeah. Well, we have to throw one other thing in there. And the last play of the SEC Championship game was interesting because of this.

The third string quarterback at Georgia who becomes the backup if Carson Beck is hurt is Jaden Rashada and Jaden Rashada lot of spilt ink over his recruitment with Florida and Miami. He then went to Arizona State, which given the rise of Arizona State and what Sam Levitt has meant to them is very interesting too. They didn't put Jayden Rashada in the game to do the last handoff. They put a one arm Carson Beck in the game to hand off. Yeah, they did. They sure did.

Uh, yeah. So I don't know how much you could draw from that because you're just handing the ball off, but like what I'm saying is if Beck is out and Gunner Stoxxon gets hurt. Yeah, what what happens then because you probably do have to go to to Rashad at that point. Yeah, but that's how the Lettuce and O'Cardale Jones version two happens, so we'll see. Yeah, but yeah, the hope is that like I said this with no medical expertise earlier on, but it feels like either Carson

Beck's going to play in the January 1st game or he's not playing at all. So I think that we're going to figure that out here in the next few weeks and the hope is that he's good to go. Yeah, yeah, it would suck if this is how his college career ends. But this is the this is how this this stuff works. I mean, you were there for that Ohio State season in 2014. And Braxton Miller is supposed to be the starter. He gets hurt in preseason camp. JT Barrett comes in, he gets hurt in the Michigan game. Cardell Jones leads them through the playoff or the Big 10 championship game and the playoff. Like like you said, that's how legends are made.

You know, when when Braxton Miller got hurt before the year, like it felt like someone's dog died. Like I mean, like everybody was like, this season's cooked, you know, because because Braxton Miller, I feel like because he moved to receiver people have maybe forgotten what he was as a quarterback. Yeah, he carried that 2012 team that went undefeated, but wasn't allowed to play in the postseason without Braxton Miller.

That team is what? 6 and 6. Andy, if you go like Google Braxton Miller highlights from his career as a quarterback, like everybody freaks out about that spin move that he had at Virginia Tech in 2015. I was on the field when that happened. Yeah. You were there?

You were that close to it? I was on the sideline. I was standing on the sideline when that happened. It was unbelievable. My jaw just boom. If you go look at his career highlights as a quarterback at Ohio State, it's the closest thing we've ever seen to Reggie Bush.

Like if you go back and look at it. In terms's the closest thing we've ever seen to Reggie Bush. Like I would agree with that. In terms of like the subtle hesitations and the way that he made people miss, I don't think we've seen a runner like that since Reggie. So like, you know, they but the point is, is that people thought they were doomed with JT. And then JT came in, they lost to Virginia Tech. And I was like, Oh, God, they couldn't beat the like, I remember, Virginia Tech ran this bare defense where there was like nobody over the top and they were just like stopping the run and they couldn't they couldn't beat them couldn't score and then they went on that run and then

they got JT injured in the Michigan game and then I was like oh god the season's over again and then they beat Wisconsin 59 to nothing and won the national title. So, um, also to like Cardale Jones, turn the ball over like four times in the national championship game against Oregon. And they still won by like 30, just to give you a sense of like how good the very dominant team, it was a very dominant team from an offensive line running back receiver standpoint too. So, and Georgia, I don't know. I, I, here's what, the reason why I'm bringing this up is because I don't think Georgia has won games

because of quarterback play this year, so I don't know if that's the way that they need to win games in the playoff either. Yeah, and the one game I would say where I thought Carson Beck played his best was Tennessee. I also think that was maybe George office, the George office of Lions best game because they were also opening holes against a pretty good defense that doesn't typically get run on that much. Yeah, and I thought that thought that georgia in the texas game like when you watch georgia play. I mean they hit man

Like they are a very physical talented. We talked we talked about that during the game because It's just the georgia like georgia defenders when they tackle you like they're not trying to bring you to the ground They're trying to throw you into the center of the earth. Yeah, like Georgia isn't as explosive offensively as they've been in the past, but I also feel like they are probably the most equipped team in college football to win a game 17 to 13. Like there's nobody that can do it. And I think that they can do that. that can do it like and I think that they can do that. The team they might see in the Sugar Bowl though Notre Dame, I think stylistically matches up really well with Georgia.

Yeah, you know, being physical offensive defensive line, mobile quarterback like that's there's a lot of Georgia Kryptonite in there. And to go back to that 14 Ohio State team and I'm going to wrap it back around. You'll see where I'm going with this, but when they lost at Virginia Tech, uh, that was, that was rough, uh, for them. But I'm trying to think of like low point to high point.

Like if not, if Notre Dame were to win the national title this year, can you like come up with a, another instance of low point during the season to high point that it's more drastic than losing to NIU and then winning a title in like the same year. That would be like Michigan losing to App State and then winning the national title. Now they did in that season on a very high note. They beat the the Tebow Florida team that had, you know, Tebow had won the Heisman. They kicked the crap out of them in the Citrus Bowl, but it's the Citrus Bowl. Just so

you know, I think I was like 23 when that game happened and that was my first major gambling loss of my life. I bet more money than I could afford to lose that Florida would win that game because I think there were nine and a half points favorite and if you'd have known me, you could have called me pregame and I've been like this ain't gonna happen for you. If you'd have known me, you could have called me pregame and I've been like, this ain't gonna happen for you. Like you could, you could tell when the teams were warming up. I wish I was, I was too late. It was gonna be Florida's day. Yeah. But yeah, Michigan beat the crap out of them that day.

And it's funny because that Michigan team probably would have had a better season despite the lot that the Appalachian state loss was bad. And then it got worse because the Dennis Dixon Oregon team came in and Just dismantled them. Yeah, and Nobody like nobody could stop the Dennis Dixon Oregon offense that year except Dennis Dixon getting hurt like, you know You know said that you were on the sideline for the Braxton spin move I was 20 yards away from Dixon when he blew his knee out at Arizona that year I was on the sideline in that game yeah that was awful I remembered watching that I know exactly where I was

I was standing in my bedroom I think I'd gotten up because I thought the game was about to go to commercial and I was I was heading toward the bathroom and I realized oh no he's he's, he's not getting up. Well, yeah. And, you know, I was a beat writer covering Florida that year. So he was the main competition for Tim Tebow for the Heisman. And I was really excited that there was going to be this fun neck and neck Heisman race and is going to be you know, so much fun watching Dennis Dixon and Chip Kelly's

offense and, and then it just it was so you know so anti-dramatic just that that's it and you're so sad because that guy was so exciting it was like a November games if I remember correctly too so yeah later in the season and it derailed Oregon's I can't remember did Oregon lose the Arizona game did they lose when he got injured that day I think that's when they lost I can't remember if they lost that game or they lost the game right after that. We'll have to look up the schedule, but it was, it changed everything fundamentally. And obviously Chip Kelly figured it out because they, you know, Oregon, you know,

in two years later in his first season as head coach, when it winds up winning the conference, but with a Jeremiah Masoli at quarterback, but that was yeah, they lost. They lost Russian. It was 2007. Okay. Is it crazy to think that that game was almost 20 years ago? It is crazy. Our friend Jeff Schwartz played in that game and yeah, so they ended

up losing three in a row. They lost to Arizona, UCLA and Oregon State after that. So it was just there's a lot of discourse about Oregon's uniforms and I didn't think that I love their combo in the Big Ten title game. If you go back and like look at the news stories of like Oregon's uniforms back in 07 they were sick dude. Like Oregon's the green that that Oregon used to wear. I feel like they don't even wear that green anymore that like forest. They occasionally they occasionally do and But they occasionally, they occasionally do.

And then they occasionally go with the throwback, you know, to the eight, to the eighties, I remember covering the game. They played against Oregon state in 2009 with the Rose bowl birth on the line. And they, they put out, pulled out the pure like throwbacks, the yellow pants, green Jersey, yellow helmet. It was badass. And, but I'll tell you what my favorite one was. My favorite one was the first time

they pulled out the silver chrome helmets. It was the Rose Bowl, I believe it was Wisconsin, the Russell Wilson Wisconsin team. Yeah. And they ran out. I'm like, there is no way this team is losing. Not in those helmets. Yeah. No, Oregon, like there is no way this team is losing. Not in those helmets. Yeah. No uh Oregon like there are people

like the the traditionalists who don't like them. I like them. The problem with them though is that I feel like they're kind of hit and miss like sometimes it's like holy crap. Those are incredible and sometimes like god what are they doing? I hate the eggshell ones. Hate them. There's certain ones that are just like oh Oh, I hate those. Yeah. So, uh, but when they hit though, Andy, they hit. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. When the show hits, it hits, you just have to have sound with it. So we're about to hit stop on this thing and hopefully there will be sound. So if you hear this, if you've listened to this in podcast

form and you've watched it on YouTube, it means it worked. If you don't hear this, if you've listened to this in podcast form, you've watched it on YouTube, it means it worked. If you don't hear this, it means that I have thrown lots of things around this room and had a hissy fit, a tantrum that I'm glad that no one is recording. Is that fair? Ari? It's okay to have a history. Right? You lost your wallet. Yeah. So your baseball card drawer. Panini is to Ari. What's his wallet? Where is Panini? We love you. We'll talk to you tomorrow.