Andy & Ari On3 - Is College Football’s AP Poll BROKEN? CFB Week 3 Preview

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

The megaboard is HERE, and Andy & Ari take you through the best of this week's posts, but first, there's a discussion to be had regarding the AP Poll. On Tuesday afternoon, the talk on social media was swirling around the AP Poll after a voter placed Florida 2 spots higher after its loss to USF. How should the AP Poll be regarded? Is it necessary in this era of college football? Does it even matter? The guys dive deep into this conversation. (0:00-0:36) On Today’s Show(0:37-2:51) BetMGM(2:52-8:04) Intro: Is the AP Poll broken?(8:05-14:59) When Andy was an AP voter(15:00-22:59) The AP Poll as a historical document(23:00-25:21) Wrapping up AP Poll(25:22-26:34) Huel(26:35-28:18) On3’s Megaboard(28:19-36:36) Bryce Underwood through the lens of Ohio State(36:37-46:49) Could Posters be better coaches?(46:50-49:16) OmahaSteaks(49:17-57:38) Vanderbilt at South Carolina(57:39-1:01:41) PaniniAmerica(1:01:42-1:08:48) USC’s Outlook traveling to Purdue(1:08:49-1:11:59) Livvy Dunne(1:12:00-1:12:19) Conclusion To kickoff the megaboard, we take a look at LettermenRow, where the Buckeye fans are keeping a close watch on Michigan QB Bryce Underwood after his first 2 starts for the Wolverines. Later, the fellas head to Columbia, South Carolina to discuss the matchup between the Gamecocks and Commodores in Williams-Brice Stadium. Kicking off at 7:45 on the SEC Network, this game has the elements to be very competitive. With two dynamic quarterbacks and a sense of optimism for both programs, there's no telling what will happen under the lights on Saturday night. Afterwards, the guys discuss USC before its trip to Indiana to take on the Boilermakers of Purdue. While this is the CBS game of the week, Lincoln Riley and the Trojans have looked really good the first 2 weeks of the season. Are the Trojans for real this season? Will they be able to take care of business against Purdue on Saturday? Visit the On3 Megaboard here: https://www.on3.com/megaboard/ To close the megaboard episode, Andy & Ari discuss a post from Husker Online regarding Livvy Dunne. Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. Go to https://OmahaSteaks.com to get 50% off sitewide during their Red-Hot Sale Event. And use Promo Code ANDYANDARI at checkout for an extra $35 off. Minimum purchase may apply. See site for details. A big thanks to our advertiser, Omaha Steaks! We’re also brought to you by Panini! Panini delivers the most collectible sports cards and memorabilia on the planet. Check out the new exclusive Arch Manning collection or the Panini Prizm Draft Picks College Football series. Visit PaniniAmerica.net to start your collection today. Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/l47SrUOvyTs Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail]

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bonus bets that expire in seven days in partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. Don't forget, if you haven't signed up for BedMGM yet, use the bonus code CFB and get your $1,500 first bet offer today. off the day, Annie and Ari on three, and it's time to vote in our poll. Is the AP poll broken? It's a question we asked because the AP poll was very much in the news on Tuesday. So we got done with our show, and this was just starting to burble beneath the surface. And Tuesday afternoon evening, it kind of exploded out. So Haley Sawyer, who covers you,

for the Orange County Register is a voter in the AP poll. She did not rank USF this week and, in fact, move Florida up two spots this week. Now, that is strange because USF and Florida played last weekend, and USF beat Florida in Gainesville, 18 to 16. Ari, we've both been AP poll voters. I think I know what happened here. Do you think you know what happened here? I'm pretty sure I know what happened here.

Well, here's the, me and you were AP poll voters in different times. When you were an AP poll voter, were you at SI and as a national writer? I was at SI. I was 2009 to 2013, I believe, were the years, or maybe 2009 and 2014. And, yes, I was a national writer at the time. So I was paying attention to the entire landscape. It wasn't like when I was a beat writer when I was only covering one team, which is how you did it, because you were covering Ohio State at the time.

So here's the thing. When you're covering a single team, like I believe Haley does, right? She's a USC beat writer. You know, think about what you do throughout the course of a day on Saturday covering a single team. You get to the game three hours early. You maybe walk around downstairs, you know, get color, try to figure out what's, you know, your job is to know the inner workings of that specific team. And everybody else is not really relevant to your job performance.

When I was covering Ohio State and they had a home game, I was on Ohio. state duty for 10 hours that day. You get there, you're not sitting in the press box just watching other games. Sometimes you're able to check it out, but like you were doing stuff. What recruits are on the sideline? Who's here? Who's interacting? What is any like pregame color on the sidelines? What are fans, you know, thinking? Like I was constantly like in that world. And it was very hard, um, to be on top of all the moments. It's really hard now. Even when we're home, Andy, to be on top of everything all the time, right? And Twitter. Twitter has evolved a lot in the 10 years since I've done this.

So, you know, you're more able to keep up with what people are talking about in the moment. But it's, you're in a bubble, especially on road games when you're covering that team. You've got a flight to catch, you know, you're traveling. You got the parking pass. You're doing a lot of stuff. So from this standpoint, I understand how a person can make a mistake. I would probably wager a pretty hefty some. And I'm feeling hot this week that this was just an oversight and that she was unaware of the Florida

lost. I also would wager that. Now, here's where my sympathy ends. She was asked about this. She went on a podcast. She was asked about this. And her response to why did you move UF up and not rank USF was, I don't want to go too much into my process or logic, which you texted me yesterday you're going to use this for for all things now and i was thinking about it like i love it if my wife calls me how come you you forgot to take the kids to their dentist appointment i don't want to get into my process or logic think about how many times i can get out of jail for using that like i didn't move my wife's laundry from the washing machine to the dryer which by the way you know it's a hot put an issue in my house uh and i didn't want to get in who's underwear in that dryer

so here's actually what sports media is and we actually actually got into a little discussion about this yesterday about, you know, making predictions and doing the best that we can to analyze the information that we have on hand in order to, you know, formulate a point. My opinion is that sports media, especially in the podcasting form, is about coming up with takes. They might not be right. They might not be wrong, but every single freaking take that I have on this show, I can argue with you till the death about. And now I might be wrong about it, but I have a logic and a process to explain how I arrive at those things. And the thing that is just the most difficult for Haley, and I think she's, from what I

understand, fairly new into covering college football is, one, if you make a mistake and you say, I'm sorry, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now. Yes. Two, if you do have a very bizarre take, which is, I believe Florida illustrated X, Y, and Z to be ranked two ahead, and it wasn't a mistake, then tell us your process. Because if you tell us your process, we don't have to agree with it, but at least we know you're putting thought into it. And I think the thing that tells us you screwed up and you messed,

you didn't realize that Florida had lost, which is embarrassing. And I think that's very embarrassing. I think if I recall, I have a story, Ari. I did this, not this specific thing. My second year is an AP poll voter.

I think it was after the games of week one or maybe after the games of week two. I want to say it was after the games of week one, because I remember it being a different time. submitting the ballot than usual because usually you submit the ballot on on sunday morning and so i want to say i know i was in an airport doing the ballot i know i was moving stuff around where i was like you know cutting copying and pasting and so i had ohio state ready to move somewhere so i you know highlighted ohio state on the little on the thing i was typing and I cut Ohio State and I meant to paste Ohio State in somewhere else and I didn't and I

submitted my ballot with no Ohio State and this is a time when Ohio State should have been like number four or number five and so it would be very obvious when they weren't in there and there be no good reason for them to not be in there and so now Ralph Russo our friend who's not the athletic when he was at the AP he did save me a few times because I did that a few more times and he said, he texted me and said, did you mean to leave X team off? And I'd be like, oh, crap, I didn't

and I'd fix it. This time, nobody did that. Nobody texted me. And it went out and they have, you know, obviously everybody's ballots public. And this is, Twitter exists at this point. People are like, what the hell? How did you leave Ohio State out? And I'm like, oh my God.

And so I tweeted it immediately. I was moving some stuff around. I meant to put them back in. Didn't see I hadn't put them back in. I messed up. I'm sorry. The good thing for me at that point was my SI power rankings came out on Tuesday. So I had a whole column. So I made that the lead to the column. Here's how I screwed up. Here's where Ohio State should be. And Ohio State is where they should be in this one. That's all you can do with that. I don't really recall them. You just say you messed up. I don't recall the mechanism, but I remember, I thought there was like a check system that you had. There was like a page that you like moved people down and up on, if I recall correctly.

It's been a decade since I voted. Not when I did it. When I did it, you typed it up and you sent it in. Okay. Then maybe that's right. I can't remember. But the thing that I wanted to ask you, and this is if you are a beat writer, especially at a place like USC, I understand if you're like the beat writer for Mississippi State or.

something like what's going on nationally might not be as important to your beat or if you're covering arizona for instance i don't know if the arizona beatwriter at the daily star spends a lot of time contextualizing what's going on in tucson to what's going on in other places but a major piece of journalism for me at least as a beat writer was to localize stories if something was happening somewhere else that could you know impact or change the way we view ohio state i used that thing that was really popular in the news and tried to localize it to Ohio State. And like, I think that if you are an AP poll voter, you have a certain responsibility to at least be aware of things. Like, if you're unaware that Florida lost

and that was how the mistake happened, I think that the USC beat writer for a major publication in Southern California should know generally what's going on in the sport around USC. Well, especially because that particular loss could have a hand in opening up a very large job in college football. Now, there, there is a, there is a ripple effect there. But I will, so I'll say when I was a Florida beat writer, I didn't really keep track of much outside of the SEC, except the first year on the beat, Ron Zook got fired. So then I had to keep track of whoever might be a potential candidate to take over at that

point. Urban Meyer was obviously a leading candidate. he was coaching Utah. I watched every Utah game. You know, once it looked like Ron Zook was on the hot seat, I was, well, we knew he's on the hot seat going to the season,

but once it looked like it was possible he'd get fired, I was watching every Utah game. I was watching every Louisville game because Bobby Petrino would have been on the list. And then two years later, 06, when Florida is potentially in it for the national title, I did watch the games of Ohio State, Michigan, USC,

the other teams that they, likely would have been in competition for one of those two spots with. I mean, my, every year that I was a beat writer, Ohio State was in the national championship conversation, so maybe that's part of the reason why I had that responsibility. But here's why I think people get upset. And then we're going to get to the point of asking, does there need to be some AP poll reform? Because I saw some of this and I wanted to get your take on it.

But I think the general resentment from fans is a two-pronged thing. And I stole that from my friend, David. He kept saying two-pronged over the weekend. but it's a two-pronged thing one is if you're a beat writer for a major college football program that is perceived by the general public as a dream job right like to be able to do that and i think that if you're unaware of the things surrounding you in the sport that implies that you don't love college football because how could you not know that right like i like by the way is something that ticks me off too and and we've talked about this is what we talked about with

Josh Pate. When Josh Pate goes, you know, he tells us the story of going to the first game he's ever gone to in the press box and realizing the half of people in the press box don't actually like college football. Like, nothing pisses me off more either than someone who's got one of these, because I know how hard I had to work to get one of those jobs. And you know this about me. It pisses me off if you don't, if you, if you don't, and maybe it shouldn't. Because maybe people want to be NBA writers or NFL writers someday. This is the best job. But if you don't care about it as much as the person in the stands, you're going to piss people off. Yeah.

It's going to bother people. And I don't know if you know this about me. I think you do. But when I was covering college football early in my career, I would have crawled over broken glass to go cover USC for the Orange County Register. Like, and I was, even when I was a beat writer at the Cleveland Plain dealer, like, I wanted to live in L.A. And I wanted to cover Pac-12 football. Like, that was what my, and I think I even applied to jobs there and never got respondents. So to hear the person who got that job right now,

knowing what I had to go through in order to get any job in this business kind of annoys me. But I don't know her. It's really fun, but it probably doesn't matter in the end was one of the things she said also. You can't say that. By the way, it's true. I can say this now as someone who doesn't vote in the AP poll anymore and will never vote in the AP poll again.

Like, it doesn't matter. Not one bit. I wanted to dive into that. When you're voting in it, it matters. First of all, if you do vote in it, I think that you, even if you know that or have the perception that it doesn't ultimately matter, you need to treat it like it does because it is the only poll that we have for the first half of the season. I think the AP poll starts to morph into the coach's poll. Yeah, that's true. But these are, these are important to us.

But the thing that I want to know to you is, do you think that there is any, it doesn't factor into who wins the national title anymore. or does not factor into any formula that goes into ranking teams that will play in the playoff. But are there other tangential, important factors to this? There's one. And it's what our friend Ralph has said for years. And he still says it even though he doesn't work for the AP anymore. It's a historical document. It's a continuously running historical document, which is useful for people who care about the history of the game.

Since 1936, you've had a group of people from around the country. Now the around the country part was a lot bigger deal between 1936 and say 2000 because we had regional television coverage or no television coverage at all. There was no widespread internet usage until 2000 or no internet at all and people from around the country couldn't easily find out about teams that weren't in their area. So that was the reason they did it the way they did it, why they have such a large group of voters, why the voters are geographically diverse. That doesn't matter as much anymore, but it matters in terms of they've been doing this the same way since 1936. I would like them to keep doing it that way so that you have consistency in how the poll works so that when you are comparing things from different eras, there's some consistency there. but in terms of does it matter relative to who's going to win the national championship we know it doesn't matter there's another thing that rousseau like to bring up that i want to make important too is that if we on this show are

focused a lot of times because the most interesting matchups and the most nationally relevant are games that are occurring between like top 15 teams top 20 teams and those topics range based on how that poll changes but it means a hell of a lot to people at usf where they're ranking right now. It means a hell of a lot to them. And I think during times in which I was covering Ohio State and then started doing things nationally, I've lost track of the importance of being ranked to smaller schools. And I've even gotten in trouble with that in my past. And I think it's important that if her poll or other poll misrank Florida or, you know, they don't rank USF and USF could be 16 instead of 18, like that's a big difference to them. And it matters to them.

It should matter to them. And I also wonder to if early season AP poll results before we get the CFP poll, you know, drum up, you know, enthusiasm amongst fans, does it help boosters? Are there other tangential effects that being ranked in the top 25 half for smaller programs in the AP poll? And I don't know if you think that's no, but I think it might be maybe 10% yes. And if it is a much bigger deal for them that it is like LSU, Oregon, Texas, they don't care. Nate, to NIL because they're in the top 25 of the AP poll through October. Probably, yes.

Because they're excited about it. I mean, nothing is all about hype and exciting. Here's the other dirty secret of that. Now, USF probably should be above this group right now, given the results. But the fact of the matter is 20 through 30 are all basically the same team. They are. And I realize that really pisses the person. person off whose team is ranked 27th when they want them to be ranked 23rd.

But it gets harder to decipher the lower you go. Yeah. But the last thing I wanted to say, Andy, before we spent the entire episode talking about this, I knew we would have a good discussion about it. But do you think there needs to be reform and who votes in it and how many people vote it? I think if you can't just say I made a mistake when you made a mistake and you try to come up with a convoluted explanation, maybe your vote gets. taken away.

Do you think beat writers should vote in it because of the way that they did it historically, or do you think that people that are wrapped up in one specific team are too close to a situation in it? I would rather it be people who just watch all the games. I think people who watch all the games have a better perspective than someone who's just watching one team. Because I don't know if, now, I think you can make a perfectly respectable poll just looking at the scores.

You know who it should be? Is like if we're going to go to a newspaper? the college football editor at the various newspapers because they are responsible for watching more things and keeping track of more things. And they're the ones who curate the AP stories

that go into the paper of things that happened around, yeah, I think that's a good point. The last point I want to make about this is if you ask 99% of casual college football fans, they know Florida lost. Like if the answer is I did not know Florida lost instead of I made an oversight on my ballot it because I was cutting and pasting.

Those are two very different things. I think that if you cover college football, you need to know. You're not doing your job to its fullest extent. If you cover USC and you do not know that Florida lost. Yeah. Look inward if that is the case. Yeah.

And I feel bad because I don't want to just pick on her. No, but we again, like I said, I have made a similar mistake. The difference was when I made that mistake, I didn't try to hide anything. I didn't. There's no, because the cover. up's always worse than the crime. I was like, I messed up. I'm sorry.

Yeah. And if that was no excuse for this, if that was the case, we wouldn't even be talking about this. And then also, the impressions of the original tweet is upwards of over 10 million. So people, even though it might quote unquote not matter, think about how many people get wound up about it every week. We talk about it. The rankings help guide how we, how we view things in the first half of the season. They might not matter from a competitive standpoint, but they certainly matter in framing the sport in the early half of it. And, you know,

for USF, you know, I think you can make the case that they could be ranked higher. I mean, I don't know that I would rank them higher personally than Ole Miss A&M, Tennessee, Iowa State, Oklahoma, or Clemson right now. But if you wanted to, you know who gets a lot of crap as Doug? Or what he used to do. Oh, like, Maurice. Yes, because of the way he does it,

which I love the way he does it. And that's how I do the playoff projections now. And it pisses people off. because you throw away the preseason expectations once the games start, and it changes a lot early in the season. Like I think if he were doing it, USF would be in the top five. I think you can make the case that USF has the best. Well, and I had somebody tweet at me if Miami beats USF,

does that make Miami number one? Would Miami have the two, you know, the best two wins of the season between Notre Dame and USF? I'm like, maybe. Do you think that USF has the two best wins in the season? right now? No. Do you think it has the best two-game resume? Maybe.

Because if you do, Boise State's any good. Is Boise State good? I'm just saying based on the information that we have right now, you can make the case that they beat for. Yeah, you could have USF wherever you want. And that's the thing.

You have two teams that were in preseason playoff projection brackets. Yeah. So that'd be fine. you put them wherever you want and that's the thing when people say when people talk about the polls if you don't like the AP poll do your own poll like we could do an on three poll if we wanted to we should do it on three poll did you see somebody tweeted out I don't want to I don't want to do a top 25 every week be fun oh it's not that's why I don't vote the AP poll already you don't

wait a minute you don't want to do a poll at 3.30 in the morning every Sunday no that sounds terrible how many ballots do you think are cast at the airport all of them right before you board a flight not all but quite a few of them so no that sounds miserable to me but if our but here's the thing if our boss asks us to do it and Luke I know you're watching don't ask us to do this but if our boss asks us to do this I'll do it it's much easier to do it now than it was in January and in July true true we had to do that so but I am I am stealing I don't want to get too much into my processor logic for every argument that I have with my wife for the rest of my life and when she files for divorce in about two months I I'm probably

going to get up in court and say that I don't I don't I don't want to get too much of my processor logic If you did that, like, how far could you go before like that, like, think about how far in life you could go if every time you were asked a question, you don't want to answer. You said that. I don't want to get to my process or logic. Think about like the divorce attorney. Hey, I want the house, car, and all of our possessions. Why? I don't want to reveal my process and logic. Or like contract negotiation. Shannon Terry, I think I should make 3.5 million a year. Why? What have you done to deserve that? I don't want to get in my processor logic. Do you think that could work? That sounds like a Seinfeld episode.

It is a Seinfeld episode. Saying that every time someone challenges you. And it would be, this would definitely be George Costanza, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Okay. Oh, I'm going to try it.

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And when you have team sites everywhere. And some of these are really great discussions. Some of these are really funny. Some of these are complete meltdowns. Some of these are wildly off topic. But they're all fun. And I have very much enjoyed having them kind of curated. It's very much like the front page of Reddit when you log into Reddit.

And it, you know, obviously Reddit sees what you tend to read about and, and focuses it toward what you like. The only difference is we don't have, am I the asshole? Though I'm sure, Ari, you can start making a few of those threads on the message boards and we'll get those on the megaboard. Yeah. So, just so I understand this, I know I work at the company and I'm not good at like always keeping up with everything, is this curated based on how much, like, are active, like,

threads and views, or is it curated based on which topics are the best? It's curated by human beings. it is not we're not using an algorithm to do it so that it is because then we have somebody looking through to we've actually got a slack channel where people pitch threads on their boards like hey here's a good one and sometimes the biggest threads aren't always the most interesting and I noticed that the ones that we picked out and the ones that we were like looking through on the main site yesterday were actually because I went to that letterman row um board and I was reading about Bryce underwood after we talked about it and previewed it on the show yesterday and it was actually like a

rational discussion amongst people it's a great discussion and that that's where we're going to start. We're going to start today with a Bryce Underwood discussion. So Bryce Underwood is Michigan's freshman quarterback. But the discussion is actually on our Ohio state site, Letterman Row. So Candy Graham for Mongo is a member at Letterman Row. So, Bryce Underwood is the title of the thread. So what do we think about this fella? I recently looked at Bryce Underwood's tape and highlights. He reminds me a lot of Jason Campbell at Auburn. I think he's going to be pretty solid at worst. So this was September 8th.

So this was coming after the Oklahoma game. And it turns into a really interesting discussion among Ohio State fans of how good they think Michigan's quarterback is going to be or not. And Ari, I do think, like, I've never thought of looking at it from this perspective. But if you are a fan of Ohio State or a fan of Michigan, State or somebody who has to deal with Michigan every year. Are you worried about Bryce Underwood going for based on the two games you've seen so far? Did you see me working through a mic issue there? I did. It was awesome. We don't have to hang aside today.

And I don't know, we talked a lot about Oklahoma after the game. And I want to get into this with you. I think that if you're an Ohio State fan, it's an important thing to always keep tabs on your enemy, right? Like that's what Michigan fans do. I mean, nobody keeps tabs on their enemy more than those two teams. And I think that when you look at Bryce Underwood, you see a player that has a ton of potential, right? But I think that Bryce Underwood represents something that is more than just how good does he going to be personally. I think he represents a commitment to winning in football that Michigan lacked in the last 10 years.

I think that they got a taste of winning at a high level and then their boosters. And I don't know if this is a good time to talk about a specific stock going to the roof today. Larry Ellison's stock is up 30%. Yeah, Larry Ellison's about to become, I think he's going to stay the second richest man in the world, but he's just going to be more rich. Yeah, he could fund a pretty gnarly NIL campaign for Michigan if he decided just to gain from today.

And he went to Illinois, but his wife went to Michigan and is the Michigan super fan. And so that is where this is coming. So you'll see you guys know if I ever become rich and famous, which you guys have complete control over, NIL at A&M is going to go through the roof. That's his wife's alma mater, not Ari's alma mater. Yeah, I'm not going to help Arizona at all.

I'm just going to shovel money into A&M. But it is a commitment to winning that is necessary. And I'm not sure because Michigan in the middle of Jim Harbaugh era was not as obsessed with football from an administrative level down as it seems like they are right now. And I don't know if like the NCAA thing like lit a fire under everyone's ass. the way that Michigan fought back was the, like, if you would have told me this scenario in 2012. Oh, I would never believe you. You're talking about like Ohio State or Tennessee, right?

You're not talking about Michigan. Michigan, I thought, would never do something like what they did in terms of like the battles and the complete defiance publicly of that, of that ruling. So let's, I guess, go with the first part, which is how good do you, like when you watch the game, Andy, how good did you think? think he looked and like how much like potential do you think is there i think i think the potential is there i think he can be good i don't think he has much around him right now um i think in in that thread a poster named qc buckeye said it really well he said he may end up being good but right

now he's just a player with tools i did not see any wow factor play saturday it looked good against new mexico they lack wide receiver talent o line plays not what it has been and i'm not seeing a difference making tight end now i believe they had an injury there so that's it's it's I think they have one, but not necessarily, didn't have one Saturday night. The offensive line play not being what it was, I think that's probably true right now. It does not look like it was as good as the line last year or the year before. Now, we'll find out as the games go on. Like they place Nebraska next week and we'll get a little better taste of it.

But I do think he's in a situation where there's not much help. what QC. Buckeye said later that I thought was the most interesting thing. And this is the part I think we should talk about. He should be holding a clipboard, but the money is dictating him playing and he's pressing. And that is the truth. And that is the difference now between college in the NIL era and the NFL with the current NFL CBA. There was a time in the NFL when you had. to start a first round draft pick rookie quarterback because you paid him gobs and gobs of money.

But the CBA, after Sam Bradford basically, created a rookie salary scale where you can get away with redshirting somebody. Patrick Mahomes redshirted behind Alex Smith for a year in the NFL. Now in college, if you get a guy like Bryce Underwood, he is your highest paid quarterback. Are you going to play him or sit him? And we had this argument last year with Graham Mertz and DJ Lagway at Florida. It ended up, Florida had to start DJ Lagway because Graham Mertz got hurt. But you're paying all this money.

You may as well play him is the attitude. Yeah. I mean, I think that at the very least it makes it more fun and interesting. Yeah. It is interesting to think because I don't know where you stand on this, but I don't feel. like Michigan would have been any better off in that game against Oklahoma if like Mikey Keene was playing?

Yeah, none of their other quarterbacks. It's not like they have another quarterback who could be better. But like Ohio State is in a different position too because they have guys Julian San Juan from last year's class, Tavia and St. Clair from this year's class, who were ranked almost as high. Like Tavian Sinclair was the number two quarterback behind Bryce Underwood. and he is sitting just like Julian

saying sat last year because he needed to and well if you go down the list of quarterbacks that have been become very successful how many of them

did not play their true freshman year like if you just go down the list of best quarterbacks most of them didn't right yeah so but I don't know if there's I just think that it's just a different case

with everybody Jaden Daniels played immediately and they went to the NFC championship and Bruce River just mentioned Baker Mayfield, who started game one when he was at Texas Tech. So, I mean, it's not, I don't know if it's just a blanket. He should, I don't even know if I agree with the notion that he should be holding a clipboard, because I don't know what it would have looked like the other way. But I didn't watch the Michigan game on Saturday night in view them losing as a Bryce Underwood

problem. Was he off the market time? Sure. Did he look like a freshman at time? Sure. Yeah. But, you know, he did also have a few beautiful passes. And Michigan was in the game for four quarters.

So, like, and there aren't any explosive playmakers that are going to go. go win him the game the way that Michigan's had in the recent past. Blake Corum's not on the team. Donovan Edwards isn't on the team. Roman Wilson's not on the team. Who's on the team that's going to lift him up? Right. Donovan McCulley made a really nice catch.

But I don't know that, I mean, he seems to be their best receiver, but like if you put Donald McCulley at Ohio State, where is he in the receiver pecking order? Yeah. I mean, Colston Loveland was a top 10 pick. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know what the actual expectation were, but I thought that Michigan in general looked exactly the way that I anticipated that they would look. And I think that that was something that was probably frustrating for Michigan fans to watch.

But I also think that what we saw, there's an opportunity for them to continually and gradually get better. So I am still pretty high on his ability, just from an athletic standpoint, to get to be great. I don't know if he should be holding a clipboard or not. I don't know if I agree with that. Well, let's go to another post. This one also concerns Michigan. It is from our Michigan site, the Wolverine. And this is from Misty Blue.

And this is one of those I read it. I'm like, oh boy. And Misty knew in writing this post that there's some danger here. And I will say, reading the responses, I do appreciate everybody heeding the warning. This is a serious question. There are posters who say what are. coaches should and should not do do they really know better than our coaches or do they only

think they know better than our coaches hoping for serious responses the headline to this post is are there posters of members here who actually are better at coaching than our actual coaches and most people took it seriously though uh Sasquatch 616 posted the gif of when Bart Simpson gets the job at the brothel and his grandpa walks in this is out of the coat hat rack and just grabs it and walks back out. Yeah. So that was that, and most people obviously said, no, the people on the board can't coach better than the actual coaches.

But it is a good discussion of like a serious discussion. How many people on their couch Saturday do you think actually believe they would do a better job if they were handed a call sheet and said, here, go call plays, whether that's, at Michigan or, you know, with Billy Napier at Florida, who's their primary offensive play caller, like, how many people think they would really do a better job? Well, how many people do you think realize there's multiple designed runs that look the same? Like, blocking schemes are different, you know? So the question that I have in response to this is without understanding the X's and O's, because I think very few people

understand to the level of X's and O's necessary to call plays effectively. Do you think you can criticize or be more effective in the concept that you're running? Like, if you are facing a fourth and one, like, I think there are probably people out there that could decide holistically what to do in certain situations, like go for it or punt. Like, for instance, I think I could have done a better job than the head coach of the Bears with the late game situation on Monday night in terms of. But you're definitely not a better play caller than Ben Johnson. Absolutely not, but I don't think Ben Johnson decided whether or not, I mean, I don't know, who do you think decided Ben Johnson probably did, but to not go for an onside kick or kick it out of bounds rather than... Yes, Ben Johnson definitely decided that.

Yeah. Or do we think that the kicker thought he could kick it out of the end zone? Is that what happened? Because, like, there are certain things. If you're a kickoff guy in the NFL, you should be able to kick it out of the end zone automatically. Like, that's not even a question. So I don't know if it was a bad call or poor execution. and that's also the other thing, too, because you never quite know.

Like, if the coach is like, I'm certain that my kicker can kick it out of the end zone to preserve the two-minute warning and not let the guy return it. I tend to believe that he did not tell him to kick it out of the end zone because I think he would have. And I thought it was interesting when the Vikings return man caught the ball. Like, you saw him staring at the sideline after he caught the ball, like basically looking for the third base coach to tell him stop or run. and but like as as chicago scored with as much time left i'm sitting on the couch at a poker night with my friends and we're discussing okay so they can't go back on defense with with at

two minutes or less than two minutes they need that so do you try the they needed the stoppage in time do you you try the onside kick here does it take two seconds off the clock to attempt that onside kick or at the very least try to get the ball back or if not you kick this ball out of bounds to ensure that no time comes off the clock because field position at that that point wasn't important. What was important is getting the ball back with 45. But here's the thing that I think most people don't realize. If you were thrown in that situation, like on your couch, you know what to do. If you were thrown in that situation where there's nine million other things flying at you at once, you would freak out. Or most people

would freak out. But most people would completely freak out. We're also giving the coach is in a position and being paid what he is to not freak out. So I don't think that's not a fair. it's not the same thing is like when people when people think they could do our jobs there are people who are so naturally talented that if you throw them in front of the mic for the first time they could do they could say something entertaining but most people and I'm included in this like if you go back and listen to the first shows I did at Sirius XM it's painful yeah it's awful like most people would have no idea what to do. They would say, oh, I know exactly how to do a show and put a show together.

I know exactly. And you hand him a mic and you say, okay, cameras on. Let's go. Most people would freeze. Yeah. And that's, it's the same thing with coaching. Like what everything is important. Like you and I, when I first came on, like, I mean, we're just reporters. This was never supposed to be where we were going. And we used a lot of reps to get here. So I think that the notion that somebody could call plays better than Ben Johnson's insane. I think that any often, like, Mike Bobo, let's use him because he's like the number one hated. He's universally criticized. The Georgia fans that yell, run the damn ball, Bobo,

they think they could call better plays than him. Absolutely. That's the question. I think you brought this up earlier. It's not run the damn ball, Bobo. It's which run are you calling? Like, are you calling, do you want to call a gap? Like, because the first thing, he's got to decide,

do I want to call a gap scheme or his own scheme? What personnel grouping do I want to have on the field? You know, all of that stuff matters. and I don't think the average fan even thinks about that. You don't ever, I don't think an average fan ever considers personnel groupings. Do you want to have a tight end on the field? Do you want people out wide?

Do you want to spread the box? Do you want a zone? Do you want a gap? There's all these different things. But I think holistically an average fan. Are we in the field or are we on the left hash or the right hash? Are we better at boundary runs or field runs? Like these are all things that are going through their minds in the 20 seconds between plays.

But I do think holistically, while watching football games, coaches make weird decisions, just from a concept standpoint. Sure. Also because there's a lot of pressure. Do you punt or do you run? Do you punt or do you run? Like, I think that an average fan can decide better at times being in their living room, whether or not you should punt or run. You know how many times on Saturday I'm watching? Because I got 25 games going.

I'm betting on G5 games. How many times I'll see a stupid decision to punt? like if you're if you're at the opposing 38 and it's fourth and four and you punt like you should be like removed from your position and it happens all the time there was a game i i don't remember which one it was somebody tweeted it out somebody punned from the uh the plus 36 unless it's 14 because even if it's because i think like i don't know what the math is on this but if you punt from the plus 37 or 36 or 38 you got a better than 50% chance of that thing going in the end zone and you're telling me that 18 yards of field position is better is a better gain than trying to get the first down in scoring position it's insane yards are cheap points are priceless yeah anyway there are times and I think it actually happens more in the NFL than it does it seems to me because I'm I watch the NFL as a fan and I'm watching college football like I'm

yeah you're locked in you're working it's not it's a very different vibe when I'm watching the NFL I'm laying on my back while I'm watching the NFL I feel on tarpon tarpa tarp off always when i can't i don't wear a shirt in my home ever do you uh yes i have teenagers you think they would make fun of me no you've got nice arms is that a weird thing to say to your podcast host i don't know you decide but it is a uh this first thing that i will do when this when i when like we're done here is take my shirt off uh and then i've got like a half hour then i've got to go to the dentist appointment where i will wear a shirt when i'm watching the reluctantly.

What are we doing? All right, all right. I think we've agreed, coaching's hard. Most of us can't do it. But there's probably a couple people who'd be natural. I think if you and I stood on the sideline behind the offensive coordinator and like we decided like take a shot here, run it here, do this or that. Like if we provided them very general things that I could call a good game. Yeah, very general things. Like I think you should throw a quick game pass here.

Yeah. But then you leave the specifics to them because I think that the thing is, without knowing, without being at practice every day, without, you know, installing the offense yourself, you don't know the specifics of it. But you can generally say, a plot receiver is a little bit slower on this route at this time or whatever. Like there's all sorts of things that go into it. Yeah. You can generally say, hey, a boundary run here would be nice, something like that. Yeah. And then I think I could, I think if I did that and the offensive coordinator had,

to listen to me, I could coach a team to a win. If you don't know what a boundary run is, I can assure you you would never be able to call a better play. Boundary means the short side of the field. The field, the narrower side of the field if you're on one of the hashes. So

that's, the field is the large part of it. And I also think I can take over a recruiting department. That's different. And you can actually take the classes to learn to be a scout. No, I don't want to do. the part where I can tell you if the players

worth recruiting, I want to be given the board and then I tell you where to spend time. I think you understand the dynamics of that pretty well. But that's also from talking to a lot of people know what they're doing. Yeah. It's basically plagiarism through phone calls. Exactly.

Ari, something came in the mail yesterday. And I am so excited about it. I think you got yours a few days earlier than I did. Bruce River got his a couple days earlier. My Omaha Steaks box came. So I have filet mignon.

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You might be cooking tonight. I have the filet mignon burgers. And I'm not a great steak cooker, but I know how to make a good burger. I'm going to make. You use the hand method to determine doneness? What? Medium. Right there.

If the burger to the touch feels like that part of your hand, it's medium. yeah i'm a rare medium rare guy so it doesn't really take burger yeah even like when i get a burger at a restaurant i'll say like closer to medium but medium rareish yeah i'm i'm i'm a rare steak person medium rare if i don't trust you but rare if i trust you yeah and then but burgers in a restaurant i'm going medium uh i don't mind a little medium rare when i'm cooking a burger at home though yeah and there's also hot dogs in there right they got some like high quality franks of franks absolutely we have a lot of hot dogs in this house so we're going to fire those up and we'll take some that chicken breast got pork chops it's it's going to be a

lot of fun i i can't wait they had dessert until this box came so like that's a that's a pretty nice little treat in there too visit omaha steaks dot com 50% off site wide during the red hot sale use the code and the ri for extra $35 off let us uh traverse down the megboard a little more This one was interesting to me, and it was on Gamecox Central, our South Carolina site. So essentially, how concerned are we about Vandy? This is we as in South Carolina fans. How concerned should South Carolina be about Vanderbilt? And I would say, if I watched the second half of the Vanderbilt Virginia Tech game, very concerned, because South Carolina fans

very fresh in their mind playing Virginia Tech because they played Virginia Tech the Sunday before and what South Carolina did to Virginia Tech and what Vandy did to Virginia Tech were very different things. Yeah. Vanderbilt impressed me

athletically. I think we know they have a scrappy quarterback, but if you go back and you watch Vanderbilt, they beat the crap out of very athletic, quick, strong, and fast team. And I thought, in general that Vanderbilt illustrated the ability to compete with anybody in the SEC. Now, I don't know if they get on the same field as Georgia.

I'm not saying they're going to lose by three or whatever, stay competitive. But every single game that Vanderbilt plays and has played really since they beat Alabama has made what they did to Alabama last year less surprising. Like in the moment, if you go back in time and remember what it was like on our Saturday reaction show the day Vanderbilt beat Alabama, you felt like, oh my God, what is wrong with Alabama. How could they possibly lose? And it's like, well, Vanderbilt is much better than we give them credit for. And Clark Lee and Barton Simmons and those guys over there deserve a lot of credit for analyzing and getting undervalued talent that can come out and play at this level.

Because Vanderbilt for decades was playing in a conference that athletically was not equipped to compete in. So from that standpoint, like you have a tough, athletically able team and South Carolina's offense has struggled. So from that standpoint, like I understand. I'm like, look, it's a home game and they're laying four and a half. Any team that's laying four and a half at home is going to be in a tough game, period. So I would be a little worried if I were South Carolina. Now, we both picked South Carolina when the line was five and a half at BetMGM. And there's a reason for that too, because we also watched South Carolina play Vanderbilt last year.

Now, the rosters are somewhat different, but a lot of the guys are the same here. It's the same coaching staffs generally, South Carolina. Carolina is a new offensive coordinator, but South Carolina dominated Vanderbilt last year. They won 28-7. It was never close. It never felt like there was a chance. And South Carolina has a couple of aliens on their team. You know, the one thing that I came away from that South Carolina vandy game seeing in person

was Dylan Stewart is incredible. He is a problem. He is someone who has to be accounted for every second he's on the first. field and not everybody has somebody like that and South Carolina has him and they have Lenora Sellers on the other side. And we were supposed to do a lot of stuff happened this week, but we're supposed to do an aliens episode and I'm sure we still will. Yeah.

But does Vanderbilt have an alien? No, but what they do have is a good enough team up front. And this is what I'm curious about is because Virginia Tech obviously has nobody like Dylan Stewart either. But what Vanderbilt did really well is dominate the line of scrimmage in the second half. I mean, it felt like they were gaining 10 yards of carry in the second half. And that is something South Carolina was unable to do to Virginia Tech because we saw them try, but they couldn't do that. So can Vanderbilt do that to South Carolina is the question.

I do think South Carolina's defensive front is better than Virginia Tech's. I don't know that Vanderbilt's going to be able to do that because that's, that'll allows you to control possession. And the thing is, once you have a couple drives like that, you break a team's spirit completely. You break their will. Like they get, and they also get so physically exhausted by these long sustained, just beat them up on the ground type drives, that it's hard to come back. I don't know that Vanderbilt can do that to South Carolina. I think Vanderbilt is going to have to come up with a couple other ways to make big plays happen. Yeah. But I'm looking at the box score, I admittedly, and hey, listen, if we learn anything from the first half of this episode, I didn't watch any of the South Carolina game against the, who do they play this week?

Carolina State. But I'm looking at the box score now, and they won 38 to 10. Nothing really jumps off the page there. It was an emotional week for them beforehand and a short week for them, and they won 38 to 10. Lenora Sellers 11 of 19 for 128 yards. I'm seeing that Nick Harbor didn't have a reception in that game. nobody rushed for more than 30. So I don't know. Giant lightning delay. It was a weird game. I don't know how much you take away from that game, but the box score looks pretty ugly if you're a South Carolina fan. That said, I don't know how much you read into a game like that.

That's like last year, their first game, South Carolina looked awful. And then they went to Kentucky and destroyed them. Yeah. So, you know, so if you're a South Carolina fan, I understand if you're watching that game and looking at that box score and like, oh, God, because it's an ugly box score. But if we know anything about this.

sport. And I think we're going to find out this week when Florida plays LSU that, you know, last week's sample size isn't necessarily the whole story or the story to begin with. So, you know, and that was me kind of layering in. I think Florida's going to give LSU all can handle on Saturday predictions. Which we talked about in the pick show. Yeah. I think Vandy gives South Carolina a better game than Vandy gave South Carolina last year. For sure. The part I can't figure out is can Diego Pavia work his magic, against South Carolina because I don't

I don't think Vandy's going to be able to just mash them down the field like they did against Virginia Tech. It's going to take Pavia doing some things in the passing game or getting away from Dylan Stewart. We did see Chiron drones do that

for a lot of the game when Virginia Tech played South Carolina. Dylan Stewart is really disruptive but if you can get away from him things break down. You have a scramble drill all of a sudden you maybe have somebody opened downfield. So can Diego Pavia do that?

I don't know. He's a good athlete. Is he as good an athlete as as Kairn Drones? Eh, probably, but the kind of a pretty good athlete, too. So that's the question. Because I think Dylan Stewart is probably going to be in the backfield a lot. This is a person you can't eliminate. Yeah, I think Vanderbilt's going to give him a tough game.

But as we outlined earlier in the pick show, I think that South Carolina will win. what it looks like I think we'll be able to draw more about South Carolina holistically long term from this game than we have from some of the previous other games but this could be a good time for Dylan Stewart, Nick Harbor and Lenore Sellers to show up a little bit yeah and it also it may just be a styles make fight situation that's that's the other thing but it's interesting reading the the thread on Gamecock Central I think most South Carolina fans are very respectful of Vanderbilt like they're not you don't see a lot of oh no we're going to kill them we're just overreacting

to the first game it's more of hey the first game didn't look good but I think we're a good matchup against this team which I think is probably the right attitude to have and that's the one you want Shane Beamer and the players to have is be very respectful of this team don't take it lightly and if you do that I think you have a good chance to win in the game yeah I agree and also how do you get respect by being legitimately good Vanderbilt used to be the butt of a joke. You know why no one's making those jokes? Because they flip on the tape and they're like, holy crap. Yeah, the tape is that. So, like, that's how you get respect. And, and good goes to Clark Lee and his staff for building that there. Well, I'm really excited to see

this game. There's some really interesting games in the SEC this week. I mean, you've got, we mentioned Florida LSU. This one, I think Ole Miss Arkansas could be a really interesting game in the SEC this week. So we shall see. Let us, before we move, down the megboard a little more. I want to open a pack. We haven't ripped a pack on the show in a while. My friends at Panini hooked us up with some, some luminance cards, and go to Panini America.net to start your collection. And so you can buy boxes of luminance like this. You can buy team sets like the Ohio State team set. But we're going to rip this pack and see if, see if we get anything great, because we've got a, you know, the thing I love about this now is

these are NFL players but a lot of these cards are them in their college uniforms which that's how I choose to remember these guys but Drake May Jeff Blake that is a blast from the past

Arii trivia question where did Jeff Blake go to college I don't know the answer to that are you kidding East Carolina I know he played for the bagels where to go to high school yeah Seminole High School

Seminole High School in Sanford, Florida, one of my high school's rivals. We fortunately, I knew that. I knew that. Jeff Blake is older than me. I didn't have to play against him. But I was one in one on varsity. Wasn't he? Yeah, he was.

Got a Trey McBride. Dog. Jameson Williams. Dog. The original Ohio State's receiver room is too crowded. I got to go somewhere else. Dog. Tyler shook in his Louisville uniform.

Maybe, maybe we see him. That one number. this one is numbered yes yes yes you got to look out for that number 299 yeah i put that one on a sleeve you know that's a rookie quarterback that number rookie quarterback cards uh usually hit pretty good got another uh got another number here's i alexander uh auto coming from ls u got an unforgettable michaelton junior oh look at it Riley Linnard Riley where Who drafted Riley Leonard? Who picked up Riley Leonard out of college?

Who did? I don't even know. You're putting me on the Cults. That's right. I don't think I knew that either. All right. The sixth round. Oh, here's a guy we interviewed at the Senior Bowl,

had a lot of fun talking to him. Mason Taylor, former LSU tight end. Yeah, that's a... He's in New York Jet. Yeah. One of producer Rivers' favorite all-time players. James Pierce, Jr., former

Valls, edge rusher, now in Atlanta Falcon. So there we go. So my Tyler Shook is the one I'm holding out of this. That's my... The rookie quarterback numbered cards fly off the shelves and resale. So anytime you can get a rookie quarterback number, whether or not you think he's going to be good, there are plenty of people out there that do think he's going to be good.

So, you know, it's a good... I watched Spencer Rattler the other day. I think Tyler Shook may get his chance at some point. Yeah, Spencer Rattler was selling this offseason because he got named the starting job. And people, if you're going to be a starter, I think at some point, like putting that up on eBay or something, the week he's going into the game if you're not a believer is a good idea. Because people like numbered rookie stuff. And let's be honest, the cards that tend to hold the most value or go big in a big way are the quarterback cards, which is why I'm sitting on this one here. I've already showed it, but it's still sitting here.

we got we got dj lagway um prism draft picks autograph graded the nine and then i've got this bad boy right here too uh never give up daniel jones oh daniel jones it's a 2019 pinini select dragon scale prism number to 88 so you know you i buy the dip i thought that any dynynes uh looked very good now it may just be the dolphin stink but danny dimes looked really really good on sunday okay you know what the best chance about being one and oh is a chance to go two and oh. And that's exactly right. Visit pininiamerica.net to start your collection today, Ari, back to the

megaboard. A really interesting thread from WIRSC, which is our USC site. And we haven't talked much about USC this year. And it's really that they have not gotten to play anybody of consequence yet. Although, I mean, they played Georgia Southern, which was Clay Hilton returning to USC. We would have set a bunch if that game had been competitive, but it was not. USC destroyed Georgia Southern. Jane Miavas looked really good so far this year.

So a poster named Trumpet post that USC has an 0-14 record versus Central and Eastern Time Zone in the last 14 games. So the last 14 games that USC has played in the Central Time Zone or the Eastern time zone, they are 0-14. Now, a lot of these are Notre Dame games. And really the only unforgivable one is losing to Maryland last year. They also lost to Minnesota last year, which I don't consider that an unforgivable because I thought Minnesota was pretty good last year.

They lost to Michigan last year in the Eastern Time Zone. We've talked about that game quite a bit. That's the two-minute drill all on the ground. But I don't know that I, like, this looks bad. And I think this is why Trump had posted this. It looks bad, but I don't think you really take much from this. because B.C. is in there, too, but I don't know. B.C. was good, uh, and 14 or not. I have no record.

Yeah. Texas, Alabama in the, in the cotton bowl, like that or in a, in a season opener. Yeah, because every time that they were, they were in the pack 12, anytime they played a non-con game on the road, they were typically playing against a really good team or of a new game. So, yeah, I don't know. Uh, they are really hyping up this Purdue matchup on TV with the promos and I love it. Uh, U.S. USC is a 21-point favorite, and at a certain point, we haven't really spoken much about USC's first two weeks, but Jane Maiava is out there slinging the ball. They look great. I'll be the first to tell you. They look awesome the first two weeks. I don't know when the point comes where we have to have a serious discussion about whether or not USC has been undervalued this offseason, but every week where they go through and beat the crap out of somebody and put up some great offensive numbers.

Jacoby Lane, did you see that catchy hat on Saturday? that one-handed that one-handed yeah you know there's things going on in southern California and maybe this is where they should be operating a little bit under under the radar no college football playoff discussions and let's just see if you know Lincoln Riley can turn it around but so far they're going to be in the discussion pretty quickly if they if they're winning in the big 10 so we spent a little time talking about them in the off season and rightfully so and maybe it'll be nice to actually under hype USC a little bit be wrong.

Purdue's a good way to ease yourself into Big Ten play. Now, one thing that I find interesting about this game, though, so Purdue's first year coach is Barry Odom, who obviously came from UNLV. Barry Odom was Jade Maiava's head coach in 2023. Wow. So, you know, and Barry Odom, obviously, he's a defensive-minded guy. He'll be helping design the defense for Purdue this week. So any kind of things he knows from having coached Jaden Maiava,

now, Jade Maiava has been with Lincoln Riley for a year plus. Lincoln Riley is a very good quarterbacks coach. Any habits that Bariota may want to exploit, Lincoln Riley may have already coached out of Jade Maiava. But I do find that piece of it interesting. I am not really concerned about USC in this game. I realize it's 21 point spread.

I don't care if they cover the spread. We're not picking this game. I think they're going to win this game. I think it'll be one in 14 in the Eastern and Central Time Zone since 2013 after this one. But if you're a Central Time Zone, time zone conspiracy theorist you might want to look at the schedule because they go to Illinois in two weeks so that's going to be that's a much bigger challenge september 27th that's a

game that we're going to get i think we'll find out a lot about both of those teams that's a very good game on the 27th that i'm looking forward to seeing bum bum bum bum bum you know that that's cool oh yeah oh yeah i've not been to illinois or champagne ill without it being windy and rainy, but hopefully he was seeking get there and let me know what the summer. We were there last year on our way to Wisconsin for the Alabama Wisconsin game.

And there was no good reason for it to be cloudy and overcast, but it was, and it was raining. I've never seen the sun in Champaign, Illinois. Also, Champaign, Illinois, their stadium's a wind tunnel. I don't know if you know that. But I covered like four.

It also has a new name. It has a new name, yeah. A hundred million dollar donation. We'll get that for you. Geiger or Geyer or whatever. whatever, I saw that. I covered a lot of Ohio State in Memorial Stadium, so. In Memorial Stadium, where the total passing attempts for Ohio State during the

Jim Trusselaer was like 11. And everyone's like, it's a wind tunnel. It's a wind tunnel. It's like, okay. Hey, it didn't bother Kurt Kittner one bit. Yeah, dude, if it's a wind tunnel, then the USC might have some issues. But Jaden Maiava is 31 for 42 with six touchdowns and 7007 passing yards so far this year. We had some discussions in the offseason and some thoughts of, hey, would USC be interested

in a transfer quarterback potentially? U.S.C. did not make any moves. And maybe there's a reason for that. So let's just keep them on the radar. I'm excited to see where they're headed. If they make the playoff in year four, I'm going to be really, really mad. Well, yes, because it cost you $1,000 if they didn't make the playoff in three years of Lincoln Riley. And it's interesting. I was thinking about our forced patience conversation yesterday and where Lincoln Riley fits into this. But Lincoln Riley was good right out of the gate at USC.

Right. They were game year one. Yeah. Give us homework. I have homework for people and USC doesn't apply to this because they've been good at times so far underneath his leadership. But a team that has had a bad few seasons out of the gate and our new head coach

that broke through a year four or five. I don't even know if I can come up with one. But USC is not in that category. This is a team that should have been good out of the gate and was good out of the gate and had a lull. And now the question with USC, Andy, is can they pull themselves off the mat and get back to where people thought they could be?

Because I still believe that the pieces are in place and the things are, like they're recruiting like gangbusters right now. If they can sign this class, you know, have a good season. Like I still think the pieces are in place for USC to be a national championship ceiling type program. I've lost faith in them the last few years. Let's see if they can earn some of that back. I'm very excited to see this because they've been

so good so far. And we'll find out if it's just the competition. I also, Barry Odom as a defensive mind, I really like. I don't know if the roster's anywhere near where he needs it to be at Purdue to put up a fight in this game. But I do want to see what kind of game plan he puts

together for Lincoln Riley and for his former quarterback, Jade Maiava. I think that's really interesting. One more before we go with Ari on the megaboard. Let us go to our friends at Husker Online or Nebraska site. And this has nothing to do with the Huskers, by the way. This is a post from Dan OAZ.

The thread title is Livy Dunn, former LSU gymnast, obviously. Apparently, I'm officially an old. I'm tired of seeing her in a bathtub. That is all carry on. And I thought about this. And I'm not here. I am not here to bury Dan Oazee, though. I will point out that a few replies down to the thread, somebody goes,

you know he's talking about Sidney Sweeney and not Livy Dun, right? I was going to say I have not I have not seen any pictures of Livy Dunn in a bathtub but you know I also don't want to get fired so apparently there is one one but here's here's where I this is where this took me and you're not there yet because your your daughter is you know very young about turn four you're not thinking about like we're looking at homecoming dresses right now there's enough fabric on these homecoming dresses to maybe make a belt for me yeah I don't like this. Like the

25-year-old Andy who would have been like, he would have seen a picture of someone like Libby Dunn or Sydney Sweeney in a bathtub and like, oh, wow. Now it just goes, put some clothes on! So, what do your parents think? We are different in age.

Livy Dunn is objectively a very good looking person. Yes. But I do feel like now that I'm 38 years old, when you and I are on college campuses, and we are walking into football games and obviously walking into a football game in a college atmosphere when you're a college year. Your head is not on a swivel like it was when you were a single man in your in your 20s.

When you're 22 years old walking around, there are beautiful girls everywhere. But now when I see college girls, they look like children to me. And I don't know if that's because I'm just getting older or what, but like I'm not in that mind frame. It's because you're old. Dano A-Z is actually speaking for all of us. And I feel bad because some of the folks on the board did make fun of Dano for this. I will not.

I stand with you. Like, it just, yes, we're old. But also. That's it. That's it. And I'm going to put my career on the line here. Sydney Sweetie is a little bit older. Yeah.

I'm never going to get tired of seeing a picture of her. Close to 30, right? That's okay, right? She's a very attractive woman, and I have no problem. Okay. He's a queenie in a bathtub. But also think that being horny online is a really bad look, and I'm not going to do that. So, you know, whatever you want to look at on the internet is your prerogative. Hopefully it's our show, though. Like, hopefully that's number one.

And then what you do in your spare time after that is your prerogative. That's exactly right. I feel like sometimes you pull things into the show that are like, how far is already going to push this before I've got to get out of here? I pushed it as far as I'm willing to go. I don't want to get into my process. We love you. We'll talk to you tomorrow.