Andy & Ari On3 - JERSEY WARS: Lane Kiffin vs Jayden Daniels | LSU’s Heisman Trophy winner files cease-and-desist

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

On Thursday morning, news broke that former Heisman Trophy winner QB Jayden Daniels is filing a cease-and-desist on LSU after Lane Kiffin gave clearance for CB DJ Pickett to wear #5. Is this a big deal? Should Jayden Daniels even worry about this? What about the #9 jersey? Watch here as Andy & Ari break down this entire situation.   (0:00) On Today's Episode (1:11) Presenting Sponsor (3:00) Intro: Number 5 at LSU (11:00) Kiffin's Decision (13:38) Honoring the past with the present (20:12) Lane Kiffin in this process (25:03) Joey McGuire on Texas Tech's villain era (34:06) Texas Tech scheduling (36:00) What car does McGuire drive? (40:48) Who Am I? (46:25) Previewing Fred Segal (46:50) Fred Segal (54:00) Andy's SI Cover (56:00) Ari's Takes (1:00:29) Fred's Favorite Take (1:06:45) Thanks for watching!   After the Jayden Daniels news story, the fellas switch gears to Lubbock, where Brett McMurphy caught up with Joey McGuire and the Red Raiders. Embracing the full-on villain role now, Andy & Ari dive into where things stand with the Texas Tech football team and their perception in college football as a whole. What about McGuire's car of choice? Andy & Ari dive in on the Red Raiders.   Next up, it's time for this week's edition of Who Am I. Can you beat Andy in this week's contest?   Later, Fred Segal from Freezing Cold Takes joins the show ahead of the release of his college football book. What are the best cold takes in the book? Watch here as Fred Segal joins the show.   Be sure to joins us tomorrow for Dear Andy & Ari!   Fred's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Freezing-Cold-Takes-College-Football/dp/1637278233   Our show is presented by Polymarket!   New User Offer: Deposit $10, get $20 upon sign up   https://app.polymarket.us/S8ac/ON3   Trade on College Football games every week on Polymarket. Download the Polymarket App with code ON3 for a $20 bonus upon sign up.   18+ only. Restrictions and eligibility requirement apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur.   Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join   Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtu.be/yc-H4L-dFKA   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On today is Andy and Ari on 3 presented by Polly Market. Jaden Daniels is really mad at LSU for giving his number five to current cornerback DJ Pickett. Who's right in this scenario? Lane Kiffin for giving out the jersey, Jaden Daniels for saying they shouldn't give out the jersey, or the people who say, you got over 100 players. Why are you not giving out jerseys? We'll talk about that. Plus, Joey McGuire at Texas Tech says they are happy to be the villain of college football.

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100% loss can occur. Welcome to Andy and Ari on 3 presented by Polymarket. and Ari, there is a jersey number kerfuffle in Baton Rouge. Jaden Daniels, the former LSU quarterback, current Washington Commander's quarterback, has sent a cease-in-assist letter to LSU-Recter, saying, hey, you just stop using my name, stop using my image and promotion of LSU, because I am mad that you have given my number, number five, to current cornerback DJ Pickett.

Ari, this is one of those only in college football stories. I was just trying to think about this, and I'm not sure I can recall a time when this happened before where a player was disgruntled enough to request stop being used in the school's promotional stuff. Like, am I crazy for forgetting some? Okay. And now, like, USC,

had to not do it with Reggie Bush, but that was the NCAA said you can't. Yeah. Because his number is not officially retired yet, right? Correct. Correct. So this is one of those weird unwritten rules things. So the way the LSU Athletic Department policy goes for retired numbers, all numbers retired before 2007 are out of circulation. So the only one that qualifies is Billy Cannon's number 20. Billy Cannon won the Heism trophy in 1959. His number was retired pre-2007 and therefore it is out of circulation. Other numbers have been retired

since. Tommy Casanova is one of them. They're actually going to retire number seven for one of their former quarterbacks to honor him, a quarterback from the 70s. They're going to retire that this year, but they haven't taken that out of circulation. And in fact, number seven is a jersey that gets awarded essentially to an LSU player every year going back. Tyron Matthew wore seven, didn't he? He did because, well, Patrick Peterson wore it.

And then Allie Highsmith wore it before him. So it's, I think it's some Allie Highsmith, some Patrick, but more Patrick Peterson to kind of honor like the big, the biggest playmaker. And so the Honey Badger wore it. Leonard Fournette wore it. Grant Delpit wore seven. That's right. Jabot Chase was going to wear seven in 2020, but then he opted out. So, like, it's a big honor to get number seven.

They also do the same thing with number 18 for Jacob Hester and, like, the best leader gets number 18. And so there's a lot of weird rules, but one of the weird unwritten rules is the number nine that Joe Borough wore and the number five that Jaden Daniels wore are not supposed to be given out. and has another this is the question this is the money question and i know the answer to it i think but i'm going to ask it for you has another player worn number nine since joe burrow left nope so i would be upset now i i want to ask you this because i'm not sure uh where you stand on it and i wonder if ls u fans fall in different directions does your number hold more weight or is it different if your spectacular season culminated in a national title? Oh, I think LSU fans definitely feel differently about Joe Burrow and Jane Daniels.

I think Joe Burrow and Jay Daniels are very different in the history of LSU lore. Like Joe Burroughs season was maybe one of the most spectacular seasons of all time. And I know Jane Daniels had a really spectacular season statistically. But you also have to take into account that Jane Daniels season also occurred during a time in which it seemed to make the playoff. So like his team didn't even win the SEC West that year. They won it the year before, but they didn't the year he won the Heisman. They didn't even win the West. And no, that's not Jane Daniels's fault.

He was amazing that year and their defense sucked. But if I'm an LSU fan, yes, I'm going to always look more fondly on the Joe Burrow Heism season than I am on the Jaden Daniels Heism season because the Joe Burrow Heisman season ended in a national championship. And I think that team in general, regardless of national, I think even if they wouldn't have won the national championship, I did think Ohio State was the best team that you're kidding.

You'll see you later what I'm talking about. Andy, you know what I'm talking about. That team will be remembered in college football lore. Like, we'll be doing drafts about greatest teams of all time in 2016. It was also like the coolest team ever? Yeah, like the burrow running out of the tunnel with the EAUX, like the swag, the cigars with the leg cross picture. I mean, it was on that.

Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. Yeah. Clyde Edwards. Terrace Marshall was on that team, wasn't he? And he went to the NFL. Like there was a lot of really good players. I think you could make the case that it was one of the best teams, if not the best team of all time.

So like I do think that, you know, if you, looking back at it now, remember one of my worst takes on the show was not voting for Jaden at all in the Heisman that year. And you've made fun of me for that merciless. Because he didn't tell the story of the season or some bullshit. Anyway, but I do think that there is kind of like my thought process in that voting kind of going into this. Now, the other aspect of this, which I thought was interesting, you wrote about this, is how often do number situations or disagreements with who should be honored occur when there's a different coach at the helm than the one that you can?

Elaine Kiffin got dragged into this, not of his own doing, because apparently Brian Kelly or someone on Brian Kelly's staff promised DJ Pickett number five because remember DJ Pickett signed with Brian Kelly. And Brian Kelly got contacted by ESPN when this story broke and said, hey, I don't know about any of that, which he does know about that. But he also said, I didn't give him number five because I didn't, I essentially didn't get the clearance to give out number nine either. and if I wasn't going to give out number nine, which is Burrow,

then I wasn't going to give out number five. Who's making the decision? Well, on the nine of the five? On the five now. Lane Kiffin's making a decision now. And he had nothing to do with it. So I kind of have, but at the same time,

when you take a job, you also have to expect or adhere to. Oh, yeah, you're going to deal with BS from the previous administration. and this is it. So, like, I don't blame Lane Kiffin at all for making the choice he made. I probably would have made the same choice. I've got a freak corner who's probably going to be a first round pick when he decides

to leave LSU who can help me win games right now who wants that number. There's a former Heiser Trophy winner who plays quarterback in the NFL right now, who can't help me at all, who's mad. I would go with the guy who can help me win games too because ultimately Lane Kiffin will be judged at LSU on how many games he wins. It has nothing to do with any of this. The crazy part of this is if Lane wins,

this is all forgotten, none of it matters. If he loses and, let's say, you know, winds up being just like Brian Kelly and gets fired, like this will be the first sign of trouble was when Jaden Daniels got mad because he gave his number to DJ Pickett. Like, it only matters if he wins or loses. Yeah, but even if he loses, is this something that people are going to resent later on?

Like, that's the thing I'm trying to figure out here. Oh, it'll be something people make up as something they resent. It'll be something to say, look, he never fit in here. Look, he didn't even. Exactly. Former players or something. I get that. But LSU is the one I always use to explain how the concept of fit in college football is the ultimate bullshit.

Because no person fit culturally within a program more. than Ed Orsoran at LSU. And he got fired less than two years after he won a national title because he wasn't winning enough. If you win, you fit. If you don't win, you don't fit. It is that simple. What's your opinion, though? Like, do you think that, because, like, the thing, too, is, like, I heard you say.

My opinion is, is you should, you have rosters that are 105. There should be no retired numbers. use the past to honor the present. Give it out to the best player on the team who wants to wear that number. You make it, make them earn it though. Like if you want to wear five or nine or seven or 18, you have to earn it. And like, yeah, at LSU, if you want to wear seven or 18, you have to earn either one of those. And then you can have like a ceremony even too or like a thing in front of the team or something.

Yeah. And by the way, DJ Pickett, DJ Pickett with his play last year, would have earned one of those special numbers. Well, and then I also think that that might also be in a backwards type of way, a better way of honoring that player because when you award it every year, you're also using the spirit of what that guy accomplished in your locker room and it permeates your current team. Like there's a number of years that will go by and I know that we'll be on earth when this

happens, but like when Jaden Daniels season is just a history buck lore to the current players. And I think that being able to review that and, you know, know, show the highlights and use that as a, as I 100% agree with you. But here's the other thing I've never understood, Andy, is when you retire a number or you know a number is going to be retired and I'm not bringing this up to ridicule Shador Sanders and Colorado, but Shigua, Sanders number got, got retired very quickly after leaving Colorado and there was no Heisman or national championship. Why does it take team so long? Like, why is Joe Burroughs number,

like not officially retired yet? Like what takes so long? Everyone knows. He's been out of school five years. I think their policy is you have to have been out of school five years. So they could. Why does that policy exist? I don't know.

And it doesn't matter. So I'll give any, because I do think this is a, this is an interesting concept. Like every school should do this. And we've seen Michigan do it with, with its numbers where they would, they had the,

remember Devin Gardner was wearing 98 because it was to honor, um, I was Tom Harmon, I believe. Doesn't Michigan award number one to their best receiver? Yes. I thought that that's, yeah. So the coolest number in college football,

I think should be Syracuse number 44. So that's Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, and Floyd Little wore number 44 at Syracuse. And that one, I don't think anybody's worn it since Rob Conrad and or it's at least been it's been a while since anybody's the way 44 is a lost number I think 44 is the most badass number and I understand that it matters what position like 44 for a quarterback would be awful but like 44 for a running back or 44 for a linebacker I just think

is awesome and so here's the thing like if you're Syracuse if you're and I don't know that this is Fran Brown's choice this is probably something that happens above his pay grade too but like if I were Syracuse, if I were the leadership at Syracuse, I would say we are going to give 44 to the player who best embodies the spirit of Ernie Davis. Like the player who represents this university better than anybody else, you've got to earn 44. But if you earn 44, you are then in line with the greatest, you know, some of the greatest people who ever played the game. I think that would be so cool.

Like what an honor it would be to earn the number 44 at Syracuse or to earn the number nine at LSU or to earn the number 15 or the number seven at Florida. Like that would be so freaking cool if there was like you said, ceremony going into spring practice or going to the season as the person takes over the number. Like it would be awesome. Yeah. I do think, too, that the bar is very high to get your number retired. And obviously, you know, winning the Heisman or winning the national championship or being a team or a caliber of player like Joe Burrow was for that team is very difficult. But also when you're a team that's competing for national championships every year, like you're just going to have more candidates than other teams. Yeah.

You know, it's just going to happen more often. So I love the idea of retired numbers. but at the same time, I don't think that Jaden Daniels is being rational here. I think Jaden Daniels made a massive PR mistake or his mom or whoever this is that's driving this. Like it's a bad PR movie. He had a wonderful career, but I'm very curious. And if you're an LSU fan, write us in, let us know.

Is he a top 10 player in LSU history? Am I wrong on that? Like, I don't even think he's that, right? He may be that. that, but in terms of most beloved, I think in LSU's got a lot of really truly beloved players in its history. For sure. So it's a tough,

that's a tough list to crack. Well, and here's the other thing, Andy. He was an IL rental. I mean, you could argue Joe Burrow was too, though. Like Joe Burrow was only there two years.

Jaden Daniels were there two years. They were at their previous school three years. But even if you take, take these two examples out of it, I do wonder in the, in the context of the way that like heroes at colleges are viewed by players, I mean by fans, I do think that fans still have a connection to the player that comes out of high school,

stays all four years, develops within the program, it becomes a star than they do with players that came in through the portal. Now, I don't know, Cam Newton spent one year at Auburn and seems to be remembered fairly fondly there. Yeah, maybe that's, maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know, but I just need to be really freaking good. Yeah. Well, I mean, Jane Daniels was really freaking good. but like like I don't know I'm trying to think of who's the last transfer quarterback like Fernando

Mendoza is an Indiana legend forever right so maybe that you're there you know but at the same time I also don't know if like Will Howard the year before is the is going to be viewed in Ohio State law in conjunction with like who do you think is going to be more beloved moving forward him or Jeremiah Smith I would say Jeremiah Smith because he came to the program

and stayed there for multiple years so well and Will Howard is not really given credit for winning the national title for Ohio State. He was an important piece of that team. But I think the guys on the defense and Joe Jeremiah and, you know, there are going to be people who get a little more credit than Will Howard did. Jay Daniels. The number one criticism that James Daniels, again, I was really freaking good, not his fault that they had a historically bad defense the year he won the hysman. But unfortunately, here's a good one. Because of that. How does Miami, Miami fans will

forever remember Cam Ward, right? Right. Because Cam Ward also was the quarterback, although he didn't break through in college that might have been the beginning of the change of guard of Miami. But it is interesting because I think that the number one criticism with the transfer portal NINIL right now is the lack of connection that, you know, on an annual basis that fans have for the current roster. It's like I feel like most fans, maybe not the ones who listen to this show, but a lot of general fans don't even know who's on their team until the third week of the season. because it's so hard to keep track. So when you do recognize somebody who has come and been a legend on your team for multiple years, chose your team out of high school for the same reasons that you chose it, maybe not the same reasons anymore, but you get it.

That old school feeling I do think is the case. But if you are a truly remarkable player, the way that Jaden is, maybe it doesn't have an impact at all. But I just don't get the sense as an outsider that he is viewed by LSU fans the same way that they would view some of the other great players. Patrick Peterson. Do they view him better than Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Joe Burrow,

Patrick Peterson, the Honey Badger? Like, I can come up a bunch of names that played through there the last 20 years that I don't think Jaden Daniels would supersede in the Golden Dorsey. Like, yeah, I don't think so. Letter for net even, right? Like, I don't know.

But you tell us, you're the fans, not me. I don't know. I'm not from Brandt Baton Rouge. Yeah, I think Jane Daniels overestimated how they, felt about him. This was this was not a good PR move by him. And as far as Lane Kiffin goes, it's funny because the LSU fans are mad because I wrote that column saying, you know, Lane, Lane Kiffin's choice is his first challenge at LSU. Like, I didn't say he made the wrong choice.

Yeah. I think he made the logical choice. The one pushback I have on that, though, is DJ Pickett's not just going to transfer if you say no. Like you said he's doing something. for somebody that can do something for him, but there's no downside really to not give it. Why deal with friction anyway? Just give the guy what he wants. And like dealing with friction within your team versus coming from outside is very different. Yeah. But if you, if you lay down the law of this is LSU, this is the way we do things, you know, this is because that's the thing that, you know, the choice that you got to call him about. I don't really know if there was more to gain from. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think DJ Pickett's grow on trees either.

So they don't. No, they certainly don't. But he's going to be good either way. If he's wearing number 96 this year, he's going to be awesome. Well, and then the funniest, the way you diffuse this completely, the thing that could end this whole thing completely is if Joe Burrow would just tweet, give DJ 9. It would immediately end. Like, there would be no argument. Jane Daniels would have no leg to stand on.

It would be over. Well, the other thing I don't know is in the past when things like this have happened, isn't the player that wore the number, like, contacted beforehand? There was contact beforehand. That's why this, that's why this blew up the way it did, because there was contact, there was resistance, it was done anyway. Well, good luck, DJ. Good luck, LSU. You know what?

Lane Kiffin doesn't care about friction. He is the king of friction. Lane Kiffin is friction. Friction, baby. You're right. And also- Who said what did he care about friction? Again, DJ Pickett can help him win games,

and the only way that Lane Kiffin will be judged as LSU's coach is on, did he win or not? Yeah, did you see what Steve Wolfe on tweeted? I thought it was really funny. He goes, okay, that's fine. We won't use you in any of the promotional stuff, but anytime you want to come back to a football game at LSU,

I'll show you where the ticket offices. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing is like, oh, no, they're not going to use Jane Daniels in the hype videos. They're just going to put two more Joe Burrell plays in there. Yeah. You're only isolating yourself and how you're viewed for like, you want to be remembered that way.

Like if you're not in those videos, your memory will fade, especially considering the fact that the season that you had doesn't attach to any, any memory. There's nothing to remember about the season other than how good your stats were. I feel like this is all those books you don't read and movies you don't watch. Like if we stop, if we stop remembering something,

that's when they truly go away. Yeah, it's like, you know, this is the most morbid thought that I have. all the time, Andy, but, you know, in a hundred years, nobody will remember that we were ever on this earth. Oh, no. In a hundred years, people will remember Ari Wasserman, my white ass. I don't know.

But how many generations, my daughter's children's children won't even know my name? Ari Watson on my white ass. But if they kept playing a podcast on a show on Thursday. You are? Yeah. I thanked him for inviting me before Ari Wasserman, my white ass. I don't think I'm ever going to get invited, and that's okay. Arii Wasserman, my white ass.

Did you, did you, you joined in? I would have liked to see you, like, with the chairs sitting cross-legged like they do at Barstool. Brandon was wearing some short shorts, too. And they're always sitting, they're always sitting, I don't know if I can go back far enough. Yeah. You know, they're, yeah, yeah. You can't reach your mic. you know what I'm saying they're always very comfortable and leisurely I thought like that would be a cool like setting

I wear I wear a lot of short shorts too you do know don't shame anybody I don't want to last person on earth that should ever comment I'm not ashamed I'm just saying like I don't know that that those chairs and my wardrobe would uh would work together there may just so everybody knows a fun fact about the beloved host Andy staples he is a five inch in scene guy with the shorts. But he's got a great ass. I noticed that last week. Thank you. I appreciate that.

We've really gotten off track now. All right. That's enough of Jersey Gate. DJ Pickett's going to wear number five. Pete Nacos has reported it. It will continue. So there you go. We have Fred Siegel,

the master freezing cold takes later in the show. He's got a new book out. The iciest, coldest takes in college football. history and they're hilarious. So we're going to chop it up with him. But before that, Ari, I want to talk about Texas Tech a little bit because Joey McGuire said something this week that I don't know. Maybe was he listening to us?

Remember when they came out with the video with Joey McGuire and the president of Texas Tech and the AD? And it was, they were trying to justify the Brennan Sorsby decision. And they're like, we're just trying to help the young man. And we came out with the video. video saying, why are you doing this? Just embrace being the villain. Well, guess what?

Joey McGuire is now embracing being the villain. Like, they are the guy who comes in. I believe he compared, in Brettman Murphy's story, he compared it to Rodney Dangerfield and Caddyshack. I think the older part of our audience will get that reference. I don't know if the younger ones will, but it is. Rivers never seen Caddyshack. Oh boy

When you buy that hat You get a free bowl of soup Rivie You are something before electricity All right We call him Rivie River How old is River?

I just want to know 27 Okay So a 12 year age gap Because I'm 39 now I think that the age gap Between me and River Andy is more distinct

In like memories In pop culture Than mine and yours I would agree with that I think 10 years 12 years in the early 2000s to early 90s is massive.

Yeah, I think people born in the 70s and the 80s kind of had a have a shared memory, but people born in the 90s are in a different world than us. Yeah. Because they've always had the internet. Like, you still remember a world without the internet. Yeah. I don't.

Yeah. That's all I know. I mean, I was like, when I first started using the internet, I got my first cell phone my sophomore in college, year in college. So you would be, what, 13 at that time, 14 maybe? And then texting became a thing like when I was 16. But like my first foray into the internet was just downloading music on Napster and like messaging girls on AOL. But like I didn't have the internet internet until like actual I didn't learn the internet existed until my second semester of my senior year of high school.

Yeah. There was a one one computer in the school that had dial up access. You know, So I'm not like one of these people who's like, I try my best to stay with the times and not get old and say things used to be better and all that stuff. But there is a nostalgia that I have and River can't have this because he's never lived in it where the internet wasn't the core thing around our entire lives. Like if you wanted to ask a girl to the homecoming dance, you had to ask her in person. And the number one thing that I'm afraid of in life, Andy, and I'm going to actually lean on you when the time comes. in terms of how to do this is like my daughter getting a cell phone and having access to the internet because I think that once that happens, like the innocence is completely gone. And I just want to push that off and stave that as long as possible.

As someone who gave their kids a cell phone way earlier than they initially planned, I'm just telling you, it's the Mike Tyson quote. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Yeah. You'll figure it out. But it'll be okay. Probably going to get punched in the face a few times. but I think it's an interesting segue back to Texas Tech, Andy,

because they should have stayed off the Internet while the Sorsby stuff was happening. But so now that they're leaning into it, though, and here's the quote from Joey McGuire to Bretman Murphy. He references Al Servic, who is the Rodney Dangerfield character in Caddyshack. We're walking to the country club, and we're first of all, Red Raiders have fun, they're loud,

they're going to have a great time, and we're walking to have a great time, and we're walking to all of a sudden, you got a bunch of guys turn around and looking going, man, who the hell is this? And why are they in here? Are they supposed to be in here? I think you have some of that because even though you look back at the situation, you're talking about Soresby, that went on with us this year. I felt like last year there were some people that were really waiting for us to lose

so they could criticize the way we got the roster where it was. You know, it was very interesting. I think he's right about that. I think they, more than anybody else, have jumped the line by paying for a really good roster. and obviously, you know, that gets gate kept a lot in college football. Like, who gets to have a really good roster and who doesn't. And it's always been the case that people love the concept of parody. They don't like the application of it.

No, they, yeah, they don't like it when somebody who isn't part of the power structure suddenly starts doing things that the power teams do. But there is a difference, okay, because we do have a defending national champ that was way more out of the picture historically football-wise than Texas Tech was. Correct. And for whatever reason. They get the same treatment. Not the same.

Well, actually people now say, oh, Indiana just bought a thruster. Well, that's not true. No, I think that people really like Kurt Signetti. I think a lot of people. Oh, I think there are just as many people who criticize that and who want him to just be a flash in the pan. I think the entire SEC team now wants it, like, is not. no longer amused by it because he backed it up.

And I think that Indiana is going to cross back over into like the hated pantheon, although most people were rooting for them. I don't know. I didn't get the sense that a lot of people hated Indiana during their come up the same way that they did with Texas Tech. Because the perception with Texas Tech is that they bought their roster. And Indiana got. They did. Everybody buys their roster now.

No, I know. But Indiana's felt more organic with the coach coming from the lower school. Right, right. A lot of players from JMU. and like people view Kurt Signetti as a college football genius as they should. Like it is different. But the thing that I really struggle with Texas Tech is that like I, and I think that you agree with this.

Like I've been rooting for their uprising. Like I think it's cool that there's a new kid on the block. I like the fact that there isn't just a, there's a newcomer in the stuffy country club. I complained about there are only being four teams that could win the national title for umpteen years. It would be hypocritical. When I didn't complain about somebody else maybe being able to win the national title. But I also think that Texas Tech has this view of itself that everybody hates it because it's Texas Tech that isn't true. No.

Like there is like Cody Campbell alluded to it a few times during the Soresby situation where it's like everybody. If this were LSU, nobody would say boo. It's not true. Yeah. We just spent 30 minutes talking about Jersey numbers at LSU. That's how big a deal LSU is. We would not even talk about it if it was Texas Tech. And I know that other teams in the Big 12,

might be resentful or jealous of what Texas Tech is doing. But Texas Tech's rise to prominence is the best thing that could have happened to the Big 12, period, to get a team in there that is built the way that they are in the Big Ten and the SEC. They need BYU and TCU and Baylor to do this. They want everybody else to do what Texas. Texas Tech needs to be the example here, not the pariah. So like this viewpoint of everybody hates us, we're Texas Tech, no one wants us around. There might be some truth to that because of the Cody Campbell aspect of it.

But if the Big 12 had a team, like everybody loved ASU's run a few years ago with Cam Scatabu in the Texas game. If ASU would have won the national championship, everybody might have hated them later on if they got great. That's just part of being good and rising to good. That's Indiana's going to deal with it. Any team that's new is going to deal with it. There's nothing uniquely Texas Tech about this other than Cody Campbell. And I don't know. The question I have for you is if Sorsby were on the team still and was set to,

start, I think Texas text would be viewed in a much harsher way on August 13th as we record this than they are now. Do you think that people hate them still? I feel like it really died down. No, I think people hate them for even trying it. I think people hate them for the reason that Joey McGuire mentioned because they did succeed in buying a roster that changed their place in the college football universe. And I don't want to be misunderstood as saying that I don't think that people hate Texas Tech, I disagree fundamentally with the fact that people hate Texas Tech because they're Texas Tech. Like that, no. Yeah. They hate them for a much dumber reason. They had a rich person who spent some money. Yeah. So, but I don't know if they're going to come out of the tunnel as the

the worst villain of all time, the way they were set up to be a few months ago. Well, people still hate them on me. We've ripped their scheduling. And rightfully, so. But Joey McGuire did bring up that they've been trying to schedule better. And so he's talking to Brett and Murphy about this. Now, NC State bought out of a game. They were supposed to play in 27. Mississippi State also canceled a home and home with them. McGuire says they were in talks with USC for two neutral site games, like one in Houston, one in Vegas. But then USC said, we want you to come to L.A., but we're not coming to Lovick. And that was the end of that. that USC was who he was referring to a few months ago when he said we've got a big one coming, right?

I think so. Now, he says, he says if Texas cancels on Notre Dame that they think Notre Dame is going to pick them up. That would be great. I don't want the Texas Notre Dame thing to cancel either, but I would like them to play. And then I like all three of those to just play each other. That'd be wonderful. Yeah, I think Texas Tech on schedules, you know, Anna broke through and won the national championship, so you could make the case that Indiana has nothing to gain by adding anybody to their schedule.

But I still think that Texas Tech is in the building process. And every marquee game that team has a chance to be in and win is a net positive for their build. So, like, I think that. I also think if you're an SEC or a Big 10 team, you're probably not going to schedule them when you can schedule another Big 12 team. Because, like, if you can schedule Baylor or Kansas State, which does not have the same kind of roster that Texas Tech has, like you're going to get the same level of credit

for scheduling intent and you might not lose you know like Texas Tech might have a roster to come kick your ass so they're going to avoid them. Yeah. Joey McGuire got a pretty cool car though, didn't he? He did.

And so, you know, we said Joey McGuire guaranteed truck guy and then Brettman Murphy tweets out a picture of Joey McGuire's Corvette that his wife gave him. It's a pretty good birthday present from the Mrs. I don't think my wife's ever given me a car.

I have to work on that. But, Ari, I immediately tweeted this out. I said, were we wrong? Is Joey McGuire not a truck guy? And Joey McGuire sent me this. This is Joey McGuire's truck. That is his daily driver.

Joey McGuire truck guy. It's a big Texas rig you got there, bud. We never doubted you for a second. Joe McGuire, um, is very Texas. He is about as Texas as it gets. Yeah. So I, I never doubted that he was a truck eye even when I saw this tweet. I also think that West Texas roads are probably a great place to open it up. So I'm happy for him. He deserves the, the gift and I hope he drives it in good health. I, I'm always, you know, I've ever seen like those instant. I'm on car Instagram. I know you're not necessarily as deep into it as, as me. But like the perfect,

garage for a man is like a vintage land cruiser like from the 90s and a Porsche. Like you have so you have both or like a truck and a Porsche where you have both. It's like that's like we talked to Ryan Day because he's got the Bronco that says his fun drive. And then he's got the AMG Mercedes that is his daily. And then Joey McGuire, the pickup trucks is daily. The Corvettes is fun drive. I don't know. I'm trying to think what my fun drive would be.

I think I'd want to do like what Sonny Dykes has with the, vintage Bronco. Yeah. If I ever had a ton of money. Where I could just buy cars that didn't, and it didn't impact me or my wife, I would have a lifted, sick truck.

I would have a big seven-seater like SUV, full-sized SUV, and I would have like a Porsche. That would be like my- one kid. You don't need the seven-seater SUV. You can go,

you go smaller than that. I know, but you'd always want to have, at least, you know, you want to have all different classes of vehicle. You want a truck. You want an SUV and you want a sports car.

You know what's dead? So the sedan. All right. If you make it sporty enough, you can still have a sedan. I mean, there are some Ford or M3s that will get your blood pumping a little bit. But like the Toyota Camry, like that used to be like everyone's car back in like the early 2000s and 90s. Like no one wants a Camry.

It's still everyone's car. I thought that I read somewhere that sedan. You've moved out of the income bracket, I think. You might have, you might be. No, no, no, I read. Losing touch with the common man. I read, well, Camry's, uh, are probably still the best selling as sedan, but like SUVs have like like middle class low, uh, or middle tier.

What is the, there's different classes of. I was a Honda cord guy myself. If we're, yeah, but the middle, middle tier SUVs like the Ford escapes and those types of yeah. They are still really priced are purchased more now than the sedan. Yes. Not about a money thing. It's about the type of vehicle people prefer and most people prefer a small.

our SUV to a sedan. Yeah, and that's understandable. Producer River is lamenting that they have discontinued his, his beloved Nissan Ultima that is still kicking, by the way. Dude, that thing is going to go for 500,000 miles, River. It's the best thing that could have ever happened to you financially to just drive that thing until it doesn't drive anymore. And then when it doesn't drive anymore, go buy another one.

You can buy a used one. I'm approaching 10 years with that thing this fall. You can buy, you could probably buy a used Nissan Ultima with like 100,000 miles on it for like eight grand and you're going to get another hundred thousand you're going to get another hundred thousand is nothing on the nissan ultima that thing's going to run you know my mom drove a nissan ultima because my mom um is a third from a third world country and a very opposed to buying luxuries um she had a nissan ultima for like 17 years and just like and it had like 220 thousand miles on it never a single problem i listen that honda accord i had i bought a honda accord in

2001 it was the first uh my my first carola was a toyota corolla that i drove in high school and through college uh you know first one we got got got got the real job you know the full-time paying job uh bought a honda accord because my my then fiancee now wife was in gainsville and i was in knoxville I put 48,000 or 49,000 miles on it in the first 11 months I owned it. Hey, you know what? It's the best 49,000 miles you probably ever drove because every time you drove it for 170,000 miles. I traded it in and the guy, the salesperson at the dealership ended up driving home in that accord that day and probably drove it another 130 thousand miles. Exactly.

Okay. Speaking of, well, this is a terrible segue, but do you just want to do who am? Am I? We got to do Who Am I right now? Okay. Let's do it, man. I think I got a good one. This guy's a fairly prominent player, but maybe not one that would be top of mind. Okay. Okay. Are you ready, River? Played the stuff. Who am I? All right, Andy. Clue one. While in college, I ran track and field, and at the time, my indoor 200 meter time of 21.81 seconds was the third fastest in school history. All right. So this is probably a wide receiver or a DB. Maybe you're running back. But keep going. My father was a running back in the NFL for six years between 1982 and 1987. We've already done Mark Ingraham, so it's not him. And he didn't run track at Alabama that I know of. Okay, keep going. I wound up playing at the same college football program that my father played at.

Okay. Fast person. Dad was a running back and played for the same program. All right, go ahead. Between 2002 and 2010, I was cited at least seven times for speeding. Not every clue has to be glamorous. If this is a Georgia player, it's going to be, you know, very on brand, but I'm not sure it is. All right, go ahead. I made the Pro Bowl my only time in my third year in the NFL in 2000. I'm still not there yet. Number six, I'm the only player in Big Ten football history to have three consecutive

1,000 yard receiving seasons. Okay, so it's a Big Ten receiver who played at the same college dad played for, but dad was a running back and was a very fast person. Okay. In my senior season, this is number seven, in my senior season, I was, I won the Bolitnik Award in the Chicago Tribune's silver football award, and I was a unanimous first team All-American. Okay, so this would have been,

this would have been like mid-yearly to mid-2000s, Big Ten Blitnikoff Award winner. I'm trying to, I'm really struggling with who were the good, because like, Plaxco Burris keeps coming into my mind, but Plexgo Burris would be too old for this. And I don't kick yourself. You're going to kick yourself, but I think we're going to start getting into the clues that give it away. Okay.

I was drafted number three overall in 2005 by the Cleveland Browns. Oh, okay. Cleveland Browns, right. So, all right. Okay, I don't think I knew this person's father played running back at Michigan. Braylon Edwards. It is Braylon Edwards. Yes, and I didn't know that till today.

So, okay. Let me go through the last two clues. Number nine, during my college career at Michigan from, 2001 to 2004, I hauled in 252 passes 3,541 yards and 39 touchdowns. He was awesome in college. And in 2007, I made the Pro Bowl as a Browns receiver catching 80 passes for 1,089 yards and 16 touchdowns. So we're wearing number one at Michigan.

And I alluded to that earlier in the show, which was some sadistic, uh, little meddling of you, uh, but we talked about Michigan this week. I was like, who are some really cool Michigan players from the early 2000s? And Braylin popped into my head. he was a Big Ten network analyst. We were supposed to eat lunch with him during our athletic tour for, you know, the video campus tour. He didn't show up and I'm still mad at him for that because I really wanted to eat a meal with him. But, you know, that Jersey with the rose on the shoulder, like he's just iconic.

One of the other clues I almost put in there was I scored three touchdowns against Texas in the 2005 Rose Bowl. I don't know if you would have remembered that. It seemed kind of obscure. But really great player. When you read the stats and stuff, it is kind of crazy how somebody this is. Cats are insane. Yeah. Yeah.

That is, that is a huge, huge receiving total for those, for those years for that version of the game. And I think he famously cares about the Ohio State rivalry. I believe he does. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, sticking with the theme. Yeah. You made it Nate, which is good.

I made the clues a little bit harder because like I, and I'm used the track and the father thing to kind of throw you off your sentence. It did. I didn't know that. But, yeah, I did remember the Browns drafted. As soon as you said, Browns, it's like, this is Braille Edwards. Yeah. But, yeah. Wow.

That is his numbers at Michigan. He's still the only senior in Big Ten history with a thousand yard receiving seasons three years in a row, which is a pretty crazy step. Yeah. Jeremiah is going to potentially break that. I think he might, yes. Match that this year. He will match it. He will not break it.

Yeah. Yeah. because he will be heading to the NFL. The reason why the record still stands is because most people don't have a thousand yards as a true freshman. And if you have two in a row, you're in the NFL. If Jeremiah only has 400 receiving yards this year, then our guy Fred Siegel can just clip that clip and say, you thought he was going to, I don't think you would do that. How embarrassing would it have been for you to be wrong about Jeremiah Smith having at least a thousand yards receiving this?

What an idiot. Exactly. Well, that's what we're going to get into with Fred Siegel, because you ask him a very interesting question. in this interview and is how what is the threshold for a freezing cold take what does it take to get featured on freezing cold takes so let us go now to fred seagull the master of freezing cold takes mr old takes exposed himself here's friend honor to be joined by one of my favorite people fred seagel master of freezing cold takes you know the old takes exposed handle on what are we calling Twitter now?

X. Fred has a new book out, freezing cold takes college football, an incomplete history of the game's most inaccurate statements and predictions. And Fred, I'm here to thank you because neither Ari nor my name appears in this book. Yeah, well, I mean, is that good or bad?

Some people could look at it as you guys are soft. You don't make hard enough predictions. Well, I'm actually more offended by it than Andy because I'm the one who really puts myself out there. And like, you've actually, I don't know, Andy, many times you've got zinged on the Twitter handle, but I've been, I've been on there quite a bit over the past decade. Almost every time Fred has used one of mine, it's because I sent it to him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, and he's very, and he's very safe with his picks, with his picks,

I would say. Although, you know, he sometimes, and if he does in the feed, it was, he was still being safe and it didn't, didn't turn out well for him, like the eight picks that he got wrong one week, setting with the spread. Now there it is. That day. Yeah. There it is. Listen, perfection is, Fred.

Nothing wrong with perfection. You know, statistically speaking, it is just as hard to go 0 and 8 as it is to go 8 and 0. This is amazing, though. Fred, when you sent me the copy of the book earlier this summer, you pointed out something in here. Because the best part about this book is it's not just since you, you started the Twitter account. It goes back into the history of college football into the

newspaper era when all we did was, you know, watch TV and read the newspaper. And the one you pointed out to me, which I did not remember, this happened my senior year of high school. It was when Florida was going to play Nebraska in the national championship game. And Lee Corso went on a crusade to explain that Florida would win because the game's on natural grass and it would slow down Nebraska. Yeah. Yeah. And it was, for three weeks he kept talking about it. It was like his aster in the hole. It was natural grass.

And it caused everyone else to talk about it. But the thing about that was just that they had won national championship. Nebraska had won the national championship year before. At the Orange Bowl against Miami. And that was on grass. They hadn't played a game on grass all year going into that national championship. Every game they played was artificial turf. I think almost every, if not every team in the big, I think it was Big Eight then.

had artificial turf on their field. So he kept talking about it. And then, like, during the, you know how they talk about it exhaustively during the game? Like, I mean, before the games, like, in the preseason, like, the three weeks leading up to it. So Fowler and Craig James would start talking about the type of grass. And then Fowler would tell her, like, it was a winter rye grass. And they went into how people were slipping in the game during, they watched Arizona Cardinals game because the game was at the Fiesta Bowl.

and players were slipping and then Flack Fowler was like oh but they'll have but the Nebraska will have the right cleats you know like it gets into all that and and there was no need it didn't matter what surface they played on because Nebraska killed them especially in the line of scrimmage they dominated them

and it was a complete blowout but yeah Corso went off on that and that that's one of the funny parts about the book was I love doing stuff like that before before even the internet was great and definitely before social media. Fred, is somebody who lives in constant fear that I'm going to be targeted by you personally? Explain to people how you pick who you're going to highlight because there's probably no shortage of insane takes on the internet. And how do you sift through everything to find the perfect thing when so many people are tagging you in things that don't really even make sense?

Well, it's all about feel and in the moment, but mostly, It's got to be something along the lines of this game is going to be a blowout or guarantee that Alabama is going to win. Something like that, where someone's very sure of themselves, they're cocky, and it's something like you can laugh at it, where instead of it just being something that's kind of boring. But it has to be something along those lines. And if it's during a game, someone will say the game's something that means that the game is always. over, you know, some sort of forward proclamation, whether it's in explicit words or not that the game is over, something like that. But it has to be something along those lines. And it's not

going to be, usually it's not going to be for some random person. It has to be someone who's at least has some sort of following or it has a platform. It has to be Dan Wolkin. Like, he's, he's, well represented. Yeah, he's all over the book. Yeah. He's, he's, he puts himself out there, but he's very reactive. I mean, he'll react very quickly to something. So, but he love, and he falls in love with coaches, too. Or he adamantly opposes coaches. So, but he loved Justin Fuente.

I mean, absolutely loved Justin Fuente. They thought Fuente was going to be the greatest thing to ever hit college football. That was interesting because I was going through. There's a whole chapter on how people felt about coaches when they were hired. And it's, you know, ultimately good. like Nick Saban getting hired at LSU and people saying, well, I don't know about this saving guy or the opposite, like Scott Frost getting hired at Nebraska. Like this is, this is definitely going to work. And I got to admit, Fred, I went and look back through all my old SI stuff to see what I said when Frost got hired at Nebraska.

Because I knew I agreed with the hire and thought he was going to be good. And I was like, but did I go out on a limb? Did I have a really strong column about it or anything like that? And I was like, oh, thank God. I didn't. Or if I did, SI has erased it. So. Yeah.

Yeah, it's hard to find this SI stuff now. That's interesting, yeah. Yeah, the coaches, like Timmy Brando, he's big on defending coaches. I mean, he'll defend any coaching hire, whether even if it's a questionable one. And get mad at people who get upset about it. Like Derek Dooley, he was going off on Tennessee fans for even questioning. Well, Tim's, yeah, Tim's a northern Louisiana guy, is a Shreveport guy. and Derek Dooley was coming from Louisiana Tech.

Yeah, yeah, and that's why you also... I imagine they were pretty tight. He loved Napier, too, at Florida. It's, uh, it is amazing, and I do live in constant fear. Uh, I'll tell you one that I was shocked, didn't make the book only, it did. I don't know if it met your threshold because I predicted a close game. It didn't end up being close. But this is, this is one of those that I was, I was at SI.

this is before Oregon plays Ohio State in the national championship game. And I wrote my preview story for the magazine and they said, hey, can you add a score? And I thought, okay, they just put this in a little box inside the magazine. They put it on the freaking cover. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Me saying Oregon was going to win 45, 41. And of course, Ohio State just annihilated Oregon in that game. Right, right. Yeah, see that, but that's not, like, if I post that, that's not that funny. Okay. Because, first of all, it was a close. close game. You would have had to say, not only I was going to be a blowout by Oregon,

but to be in the book, especially, you'd have to have some sort of commentary illicit that went with it that said it was going to be a blowout. I've got one that I think probably qualifies, and I'm really glad. I think it may have been a little too recent for you to even get it in the book. This is my preseason 2005 top 10 quarterbacks in college football list. as time goes by, this may be one of the worst lists of all time. Like when all this said and done, this may be one of the worst lists ever produced. And I had DJ Lagway number one, Lenore Sellers 2, K Clubnick 3, Archmanning 4, Garrett Nussmeyer 5, John Meteer 6, Drew Aller 7.

The next three were actually good, so I can't really say that. But I mean, it was, this is possibly the worst thing I've ever put out. Yeah, Ladway and Sellers were two big ones that, did not work out that season. But see, that I wouldn't have put in the book because I don't really have a section on players besides Heisman stuff. So it usually has to do with the Hiveman

if it's individual to be about individual players. But DJ Lagway stuff really is that season. There should be a lot of stuff. But since Lagway's career is still going, I can't really definitively say that, you know, his career is not. not good. So I couldn't really even put it in because it's still open ended. Fred, I'll go back to mine. My freezing cold take that I believe you highlighted, I can't

remember, but it was from the LSU Clemson National Championship Games six years ago. It was the 2020. It was in 2020. It was the 19 season. The more I watch this game, the more cleared is that Ohio State was probably the best team in college football this year. And this was around the second quarter, so I didn't break Andy's rule of don't tweet in the first quarter, but Clemson was beating the Joe Burrow LSU Tiger 17 to 7 in the middle of the second quarter, and Clemson had barely, you know, gotten by Ohio State the previous round. And then as the game went on, LSU turned it on and they ended up winning 4225, but it was just, I believe they put up 628 yards of total offense and just scored on every drive. They had the

ball after I wrote that tweet. And I was like, yeah, that probably isn't true. And now every year in the second quarter of the national championship game, I just post the same tweet, just as a joke. And then everybody will tag me not understanding that it was a joke. Yeah, right. And I have to look that up kind of to see if it's a joke. But that tweet is a classic reactive tweet second quarter.

I would go with halftime, Andy's rule. I would wait until halftime. And I wait until halftime even consider trying to figure out whether I should post stuff from a game or a collect stuff. Yeah, I mean, the hardest part is that I get so emotional and so, like, invested in, like, what I'm watching that, like, I just kind of, like, type out what I'm thinking. And it's gotten to me into trouble. I'm certainly far more liberal with what I'll post than Andy.

Yeah, well, I mean, I think it's also you shouldn't really worry about it too much. And, and you guys are, you know, your job is to comment on football. So you probably shouldn't hold back on anything that you're commenting on because that's all part of the job. well and i yeah i'm not going to hold back it because i actually think it's fun when i wind up on on your feed but i i'm curious like what is your favorite like you have a personal favorite no one that just hits you in the funny bone in a different way than anything else well in college football or regular my favorite my favorite of all time was cowherd during the uh during um Alabama versus Mississippi State in 2014, I think it was.

Mississippi State made the rank number one at that time. And they were getting killed by Alabama, or at least they couldn't do anything on offense. And Cowherd wrote, Dak Prescott is a backup in the NFL, period, at tight end period. That was just like my favorite one. I mean, it just had everything. It was just like, also, it just a class.

classic move. It never gets, this will never, it always continues where people just make a evaluation based on what they're watching at the time, a longstanding evaluation based on what they're watching at the time. It's just, that,

that's, that's pretty standard for college football commentary of all, of all people. I love that you created a cottage industry because, I mean, there are feeds now where people send in, like, bad,

Like there's there's a movie site that does that. But because of what you do in sports. And I'm just going back, another one of my favorites. I love when you do the research. I love your NFL book. And one of my absolute all-time favorites is you found a column from Randy Galloway in 1989, he was the Dallas Morning News, saying that the Vikings fleece the cowboys in the Hershey Walker trade, which was the most lopsided trade in NFL history,

but on the other hand. Yeah, yeah, because they were so, yeah, yeah, I talked to him about that for the book. He, because everybody was so caught up in this Herschel mania that, and they didn't understand the value of draft picks. And I think that was one of the most important parts about that trade is that people started understanding the value of draft picks more, but I don't think they understood the value of draft picks at the time.

And I think that's why. And it's funny because that's Jimmy Johnson. And in the college football book, there's a great section on people just, ripping Jimmy Johnson getting hired at Miami. Yeah, those are the most fun of yet to research. And the reason why, yeah, Jimmy Johnson was hired at Miami, but they were pissed because they thought that the alumni and the media thought that the defensive coordinator,

Tom Alvaddi, should have got the job because it was a weird situation that Howard Schellenberger, who had just won the national championship in Miami in 83, left in May after spring practice and everything, after recruiting, to go and go to some USFL franchise. It never ended up materializing. But so they thought it was something. They should definitely be hiring the assistant coach. But they went out and hired Jimmy Johnson, who no one knew who, no one even knew who he was. And he wasn't on any of the lists that were accumulating of potential hires.

So it just came out of nowhere. and nobody liked it. And nobody really liked it after the first season because he didn't really, his first season in 84, they didn't really do so well. Yeah, because the old coaches stayed and then once they all left and he hired the crew that you now know of assistance that stayed with Miami.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tommy Tuberville. I was really, I was looking through your timeline just today. And Andy, you'll find this one funny if you haven't seen it yet, but somebody posted, the Kansas City Chiefs are a contender in the AFC and they traded up to draft a backup quarterback and it was a picture of Patrick Mahomes holding up the jersey.

I think that quote attributed to Jason McIntyre from Fox and I think that was his podcast that in which it was tagged with. Like he said it on his podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. That was something that was not uncommon. I mean, Stu Gots had the best one.

He had a rant, like a five to ten minute rant that they used to play all the time on Levitard's show to make fun of him with about that exact thing, with the Ed Smith thing. And I would be remiss if I didn't at least acknowledge this one about me because part of this is just like, you know, live in some of the worst takes. I remember when Andy left for On Three and I was still at the athletic, I was hosting a, show called Until Saturday, and we had Scott Docterman on, who's now a Big Ten Specialist National Columnist at the authority. No, no, no, no. You said it with me. You were on the show? I was still there. Oh, okay. So, oh, yeah, that's what have been before you left because it was back in, you know, before Michigan's run went, but I, uh, we were talking about recruiting. This was pre-NIL era. This is pre-Portle. Um, and it was just Ohio State stacking top five classes

of Michigan not doing the same. And we were talking about why Michigan can't beat Ohio state and i think i i wagered my house uh that ohio state would not lose four of the next 10 and then directly began the four in a row streak for michigan that came out of nowhere and i like people from an arbor rightfully so reminded me of it over and over and over again for three years but when i think about takes you know part of it was i couldn't see that the sport was changing and part of it was a pretty magical season from michigan but for them to win four in a row i would have wagered my entire livelihood that that was impossible to win four in a row and they went out and did it. Yeah, it's not like they got that much better in recruiting either in terms of on paper.

So it kind of did it, it kind of happened against a lot of the odds because it didn't look like anything was changing there. Ari did not give Scott Doctrine his house, by the way. Well, there wasn't a wager. I said I would and he never, he didn't put anything up. There was no bet. Oh, it's like the legal definition of contract. Yeah, yeah.

there was no there was no actual wager i said i would put my house up so thankfully he didn't say okay i'll put mine up ohio state has a lot of great stuff in that book that um in my book there's a lot of great stuff with topics of hosier jim trestle when he was hired i mean the the search went on for about a month and uh glen mason was like begging for the job and remember writers were like why not Glenn Mason, you know? And, and, and. It's so funny when you say it now. Yeah, yeah.

Glenn Mason was like desperate for that job. And, uh, and, and then there was some quotes about Michigan's laughing all the way of the bank because of trestle. So that was, that was a good one too. And then the Ohio State Miami game, I mean, everybody thought Miami was going to dominate that game in, in, uh, in the, Fiesta Bowl in 2003. I can just picture you in the library using one of those old newspaper machines that you like old.

Yeah, like, how did you research all these pre- Twitter tapes? It was fun. But you don't need them as machines anymore because you have it on the internet now. If you subscribe to a bunch of newspaper archives, they just have them for you. So you can do the searches. But the best way to do it is you go through like, the LA Times used to have a great summary column each week about everything that went on in college football and included like quirky stuff like quotes or predictions gone wrong and everything. So I would go through every single one of

those each week of the college football season starting in like 1986. And then it would have a lead or something. And then I'd go look it up after that. You don't have to do that viewer, listener, because all you need to do is order Fred's book. Amazon. You can go to the physical bookstore wherever you buy your books. Freezing Cold takes college football an incomplete history of of the game's most inaccurate statements and predictions, not featuring me or Ari Wasserman, but I'm sure we'll make the sequel. Thank you, Fred.

Thanks, guys. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, if you're a college football fan, you will love the book. I mean, I don't see any way you won't. And even if you don't like to read, you may want to read if you do this. Yes, I'm telling you. This is a great book that you can pick up, have laughs for five minutes, set it down. The next time you will need five minutes.

it somewhere. You can pick it up again and you'll be in good shape. So thank you, Fred. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. That is Fred Siegel. Ari, I read the book. It's amazing. I never got this one. Will you send it to me? I want to read it. I just want to go through it. I'll send it to you. I'll buy it. You know what, I'll buy it. He came up on on our show. I should buy it because I do, I'm very am used by the account. And it is funny because these are only college football ones, but I am really excited to read back to the ones before the internet, like the analog era ones where it's so easy to see when people are wrong now. But I can't remember back in the early 2000s and 90s when people were hysterically wrong.

I would argue that the takes were wilder then because they couldn't spread around the world like wildfire. Yeah. I'd be very curious to read this. And I really appreciate his time. And I am, you know, you said thank you for not being in the book. I wish I was in the book. I've had a few that deserve to be in the book.

I guarantee you there's going to be a sequel. So we'll probably be in it. Yeah. But I've been on the website. I've been on the Twitter page a lot in my life. I think he's got my tweets bookmarked because I'm a little bit more out there than you are. Yeah. And I tweet in the first quarter.

When I'm bad, I'm bad because that quarterback list is just awful. It's probably going to make the sequel to the book. All right, all right. Dear Andy, dear Ari, tomorrow, we'll have some very, very good questions. you've been you've been on point with your questions so we will talk to you tomorrow