Andy & Ari On3 - Jim Harbaugh is GONE to the Chargers | What next for Michigan? | Is Sherrone Moore on deck?

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

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you're about to hear the horns there they are you know what that means it's an emergency show something big has happened and that big thing is jim harbaugh is headed to the nfl adam sheffer from espn reporting that he's agreed to terms with the chargers are chris ballas from the wolver here with us. He's been following this, but basically most of his life at this point. Ballas, what the hell happened today? Well, you and I recorded a show about three hours ago. That's worthless. Yeah.

So, but we knew this possibility was coming and it was crazy. You know, I've talked to people involved with NIL and people who were, had meetings set up with Harbaugh today in Ann Arbor, and they expected him to be there on the way over there to talk to him about some of these NIL deals. And Jim Harbaugh wasn't there. He was still in L.A. interviewing with the Chargers. So you know what? This is what he wanted, guys.

And Michigan sweetened the pot. They basically acquiesced to all of his demands and said, look, we're going to make you the highest paid coach in the country, not just the big 10. We're going to have an escalator clause in there. So that continues to go up. We're going to have the bill self clause in there. But at the end of the day, fellas, Jim Harbaugh wants to coach in the NFL and he wants to chase that Lombardi trophy. A lot of people will argue whether or not he can win it there, but you know what? I don't think a lot of people would bet against him either given the kind of career that he's had so jesse simonson on three national columnist you posed a very interesting question to me before we started this show what was that question yeah i said who you know what sort of odds would you have had and

chris you know even if someone told you this as much fawning as jim harbaugh's had with the nfl what sort of odds would he have had, someone told you six weeks ago, that three of the four coaches in the college football playoff, that now being Nick Saban, Kalen DeBoer, and Jim Harbaugh, are no longer at their respective schools. Steve Sarkeesian's the last one standing. Just some crazy musical chairs. I mean, the odds on that are just kind of bananas, I think.

It is crazy. But with Jim, you know that are just kind of bananas, I think. It is crazy. But with Jim, you know what? We kind of knew, guys, right? He had that itch. He was gone two years ago if he'd gotten the Minnesota job. The interview didn't go well. This time around, he hired an agent. When he hired Don Yee, fellas, to me, that was critical because Jim Harbaugh hadn't had an agent before then.

He'd had lawyers. But now you've got a guy that's keeping the lid on top of things. And it was always clear, always clear that he was interested in chasing that Lombardi trophy and catching his brother. Now he's got a national championship, fellas. He's accomplished everything that he can at Michigan. I kind of would have bet on Jim Harbaugh. If you told me Nick Saban was retiring, wouldn't have surprised me. And there were a lot of people that thought Kalen DeBoer wanted the Michigan job, too, if Harbaugh left. So that wouldn't have stunned me either.

So regardless, it is what it is fellas it's a college football expect Sharon Moore to be named Michigan's next head coach within seven to ten days according to people who were working on the Harbaugh contract as well so I think that's where Michigan turns is is that my bold prediction oh true my last one remember I told you I had one outstanding bold prediction that I was waiting to be revisited. Chris, I had it at the beginning of the season. I said I thought this was an all or nothing year for Michigan and that Jim Harbaugh, this would be his last season in Ann Arbor. Took a little while, but we finally got there. We finally got resolution. Yeah, thank God. Right. Go ahead, Andy. So, Chris, the seven to 10 days for Sharon Moore thing,

is that a posting requirement, that sort of thing? Yeah, state of Michigan posting requirement, everybody knows. You know, he's basically been on the road and saying, hey, if it's not Jim, it's going to be me recruiting. And the coaches have been saying it as well. Now it's who goes with Jim Harbaugh, right? We've heard when he went to Minnesota, it was going to be Grant Newsome. It was going to be Matt Weiss, who's obviously no longer with the program. Ben Herbert's the big

one they want to keep, the strength coach. And it sounds like he wants to stick around. Right now, from what we've heard, it might just be Jesse Minter, who we'd heard before the season wanted to be an NFL defensive coordinator anyway. This would probably be his last year at Michigan. And then Jay Harbaugh, obviously Jim's son. So those are the two we'll keep an eye on right now. But at this point, if he can keep the amount of staff together, man, if he can keep Ben Herbert and those guys together, he's going to have a much better chance to succeed. Well, the Ben Herbert thing is very important.

He's one of the best strength coaches in the country, already the highest paid strength coach in the country, I believe. But you talk to those Michigan players and they say that's their guy. And I feel like if they promote more if they keep herbert they got a good chance of when this 30-day portal window opens in the morning not losing a bunch of guys like i would think that will and and you gotta with the with the more thing even though there's that posting requirement you probably need to get let the the folks internally know hey this is happening yeah and they know.

It's basically the votes have been taken. Everybody's on board with it, and everybody loves Sharon Moore. What's not to love about a guy who came in and won three huge games down the stretch, including Penn State on the road, Ohio State at home, fellas? This guy is a rising star, but at the same time, he's not Jim Harbaugh, and there's going to be a lot of pressure on him. So not just to keep the players here that are, you know, that are going to be getting NIL offers from other places.

I talked to somebody directly involved tonight, Jared Wangler with Michigan's NIL, the champion circle. And he said, we are going to have to re-recruit these kids all over again. And agents have already told him before they've even hit the portal that their kids are they're going to be shopping their kids around a little bit fortunately the culture is strong they all love Sharon Moore to me this makes the most sense fellas it's most logical this is your best chance to keep your best players here and there's still a lot of them here at Michigan there's not the depth that there was last year and they still need a quarterback but still a lot of talent here that they have to keep here so Renee in the chat says Michigan players are now

in the transfer portal for 30 days Knoll's right florida state very good in transfer portal uh yeah i got my own personal list of guys that i'd be tampering with right now uh it starts with number 78 kenneth grant my maybe my favorite player in all of college football i love that guy but he also loves michigan so i don't think i don't know that you have much of a chance on that. But Jesse, you know, if you are Michigan, how do you keep these guys there? What are you doing right now? What are the steps you're taking to make sure that it's not a situation where some of the best players are picked off like when Saban left Alabama? Well, and unfortunately, you know, in that situation, Greg Byrne kind of put,

I thought, you know, an unnecessary noose around his neck, and yet he accomplished what he set out to do. He told the guys, hey, I'm going to have a coach within 72 hours. He landed Kalen Abor in just under 48. And so the fact that Michigan now has to wait to cross these T's and dot the I's for the seven to ten days, they better be doing some back channeling. Don't you think guys, I mean, this is that they have to be having these transparent conversations behind the

scenes. I know that seems like, you know, kind of a contradictory, but you know, they need to be talking to Will Johnson, to Kenneth Grant, to their stud tight end. I mean, these guys that they want to keep in Ann Arbor you know, Donovan Edwards, that kind of the foundational pieces of the team. And I think the more of those guys that I think quickly in the next four or five days come out and rubber stamp and say, hey, they kind of make it a public announcement. I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying at Michigan, maize and blue all day. I think that's going to probably send a message to kind of the rest of the locker room. I'm sure there will be some deflections, but if Sharon Moore is going to be the guy

and that's made known to folks behind the scenes, I do think that should assuage some of the concerns about this roster being hemorrhaged like what we've seen at Alabama, Washington, and Arizona. So, Chris, how did this process go behind the scenes take us from you know the national title game a bunch of us talked to toward manual athletic director afterward we all interviewed jim harbaugh and manual said hey i'm i'm ready for the nfl to come after him i i'm prepared what has happened in the in the since then? Yeah, you know what? Today was really when we found out that they were basically acquiescing to all of his demands and saying,

look, we want to keep him here. I know that President Santa Ono, he told me on the field after that game, fellas, against Washington that he's like, I'm going to do everything I can to keep him here. And he kind of took the lead on this. Ward Manuel, yes, he came out and said at the event following the championship, the celebration that I'm going to do whatever I can to keep him here. And he kind of took the lead on this word manual. Yes. He came out and said at the, the event following the championship, the celebration that I'm going to do whatever I can. I'm working on a contract for this guy, but it was at a snail's pace and it had been for three and a half years. And in fact, Jim Harbaugh brought this up in the fall and said, you know, yeah, I've been saying it for three and a half years. I do want a new deal. And we reported that, that, okay, the, the car's finally in the works here. And then

you had the NCAA stuff come up and obviously that threw a monkey into the wrench there, fellas. But at the end of the day, they had all agreed that Jim Harbaugh is our guy. He should be the highest paid coach in college football. And they did everything that they could to keep him. Some people are going to argue that that's not true. I don't agree with that. I think, okay, when you've got the self clause, when you've got, okay, you're going to make him the highest paid coach in football. You know, it just keeps going up and up and up. At the end of the day, it was just that Jim Harbaugh wanted the NFL. And we'd heard that so many times guys. And, uh, and that's basically what drove him back there. Well, and, and you mentioned that the, the self-clause is, this is, this is really

interesting because if Jim Harbaugh had come back, this clause was going to be inserted into his contract. And what I'm about to put on the screen is actually from Bill Self's contract, the Kansas basketball coach. And this got put in in 2021 when the NCAA investigation into the FBI basketball investigation was still going on. So here's what it says. Basically, the Kern infractions case,

you can't fire him for cause no matter what penalties are handed down from the Kern infractions case. That's how you would handle this. I know a lot of people talk about an immunity clause and there was no immunity. It wasn't like you could make someone immune from the NCAA punishing them, but you could say, we won't fire you for this one thing. And I think we're going to see that in some contracts. And I would imagine, Chris, you got to put this in Jerome Moore's contract, right? Yes, I think so. And it's a good point.

But I do believe, you know, with Jim Harbaugh leaving, you know, you saw what happened to Tennessee. Are you now looking at half of your NCAA problems going away? You know, if you can't leave your own more I really believe that so um to me yeah it solves that problem and at the same time you lose one of the best coaches in football well and Jesse to to Chris's point I think this is interesting because you and I have talked about this with the Connor Stallion stuff like they've got that head coach responsibility thing where they can tag anything to the head coach, whether they knew about it or not. And this is a fairly recent change in the way the NCAA handles this stuff.

If the head coach who you can tag it to is gone, I don't know how much you can do with the Connor Stallion stuff at this point. Yeah, and if Sharon's already been punished with the suspension he served for Burgergate or whatever you want to call that whole ordeal, I think Michigan's administration would likely, like you guys just mentioned, would put the similar clause in his contract that they have in Harbaugh's or that they presented to Jim today and say, hey, we're going to back our guy. And we think now that this is going to be much to do about nothing. Yep. I do have a question for Chris, though. Yes. Because it's so kind of perfunctory that we say, hey,

Sharon's going to be the guy. What sort of Rolodex does he have in that defensive coordinator search? Because I wrote a column this morning in on three kind of talking about that very transition that that's going to be, it's not going to be Michigan losing the roster. It's going to be keeping Ben Herbert, as you guys mentioned, keeping that strength coach in Ann Arbor, which you're suggesting, seems to be the plan,

but then it's going to be who's going to replace Jesse Minter because the whole Baltimore Ravens pipeline thing is probably going to be dried out. You had Mike McDonald. Jesse Minter was a great, you know, transition piece. There's not another guy on Michigan staff that has any coordinating experience in terms of play calling. So do you go and get a guy like Jim Leonard or, you know, who are maybe some guys that we should keep an eye on in that? Yeah, that's a great question. And it's one that people have been asking us. And there are two things on this. Steve Klingscale was the co-defensive coordinator last year,

and he's in the secondary there. He's going to keep that title at the very least. It wouldn't be surprising to see, you know what, if he and Mike Elston, if they were going to promote from within, Mike Elston's been around forever. He's had a little bit of a coordinator experience, I think, on an interim basis at Notre Dame, but he's been around a long time and a lot of people think it's his time. But what you want to do, guys, you don't want to change up the defense and teach something completely different.

You remember when they brought down Brown in, you know, it was OK, it was great. And then it wasn't when people got used to it. And but it took some getting used to in the terminology. The best part about going from McDonald to Minter was that you had basically two guys that came from the same system. Will there be another guy on that Raven staff, fellas, an up-and-comer? Because Jim Harbaugh and Sharon Moore are this close. John Harbaugh has been very supportive.

Maybe there's a guy waiting in the wings that John Harbaugh says, okay, this was going to be my next guy in line like he did with Mike McDonald, and maybe we can help you out. But it is something I know that they've been thinking about because Jesse Minner, again, and talking to people who had lunch with him before the year, they said this is probably going to be his last year. But the last thing you want to do is get somebody in here with a whole new system, especially when you have

some really good pieces coming back, fellas, on that defense. Well, and I think the way this happens with basically Michigan having Jim Harbaugh's back throughout all the NCAA stuff, giving him the space to do this and not being mad about it. I know there are some fans that are mad about the way this has gone down, especially in terms of future recruiting and what's been going on the last two weeks. But as long as Jim's happy with them and they're happy with him,

I would think the Jim and John relationships both stay open. The John Harbaugh internship program stays, you know, functional and like whatever rising stars he may have on his defensive staff, he calls for own more and say, he, here you go. Yes,

it's a hundred percent true. And he, I mean, he and Sharon are like, like I said, like this. And he says, he's kind of like a son to me.

Right. And he's been Sharon Moore's mentor. He's been basically prepping, prepping him for this moment. There's been talk before the, the season said, like this, and he says, he's kind of like a son to me. Right. And, uh, he's been Sharon Moore's mentor. He's been basically prepping, prepping him for this moment. There's been talk before the season that, Hey, Jim's might be wanting to go back to the NFL. This is the last dance. You remember you and I had that conversation, Andy, and that, uh, Sharon would probably be the guy.

So, uh, this is not one of those situations where he's leaving San Francisco and everybody's pissed off, right? Maybe there'll be some people at Michigan that are upset, but I can tell you that the president Santa Ono loves him. And he's going to be supportive of him. Like he said, whatever his decision is, Jim Harbaugh is not going to burn his, burn it down going out of Michigan. He's a legend there, right? He's probably going to have a statue some day next to Bo Schembechler

outside of Schembechler hall. That's how much he was revered in Ann Arbor. So I think this is something more to be celebrated than to say, hey, you know what, we're pissed off at you. And I think the majority of the Michigan fan base will be disappointed, but they will understand that. So, guys, we're going to talk about Jim Harbaugh's legacy at Michigan, the job he did, how he really had two separate tenures there. There's a lot to unpack here.

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all right let's let's talk about first let's let's hear from tom in the chat because this is this is an interesting one for sure poor ryan day finally had a roster to beat michigan and now the wind will be hollow without harbaugh there i let me throw one more up from from earlier that i saw that i thought was really interesting uh from brad who i think is an ohio state fan third base chiron okay so this is in reference to jim harbaugh saying certain people were were born on third base and didn't hit the triple uh referring to ryan day this was after the 2021 michigan ohio state game uh i will point out to brad that sharon moore has exactly as many wins in the

michigan ohio ohio state series as ryan day no r Ryan Day actually had a couple before he – No, he has one. He has 2019. You're right. That's right. He had the one. How about this though, Andy? I tweeted this out just a few minutes ago because I mentioned this

in my column this morning. Sharone Moore, four games as an interim head coach, two top 10 wins. James Franklin in 11 years at Penn State, three. Yeah, you have it, right? And you can say it was Harbaugh's guys. You know what? Sharon Moore did a great job helping recruit that roster. He's an outstanding recruiter.

I can't wait to see what he does, fellas, on the recruiting trail, because we've been told his philosophy is a little bit different than the transformational, not transactional that Jim Harbaugh had. He might be a little bit more willing to be aggressive on the recruiting trail, which is obviously what you need. But again, this guy has been really one of the motivations for guys to stick around when they all knew that Jim Harbaugh might leave. Donovan Edwards, for example, when we talked to him, he said, you know what, if Jim wants to go, he can go and he should go because he's accomplished everything he's

wants to accomplish here. He knew. And everybody in that locker room knows that Sharon Moore is the next guy. And I think that's, what's going to play to Michigan's advantage here. But you know what? I think he's got a chance as a great young recruiter.

If he keeps that staff intact and starts to put it together on the recruiting trail, Michigan hasn't been where it needs to be, that he could be really successful here. We've seen it before. So we've got some folks that have not been paying attention to the show at all over the last few weeks. Archangel in the chat says he's taking practically his entire coaching staff. No, he's not. He's probably taking Jesse Mentor and Jay Harbaugh.

Right. That's not practically his entire. Unless L.A. decides they want to pay $1.6 million for a strength coach is what we were told it would take. When all of their players have private trainers. Yeah, I'm sure that's no NFL team has done that yet. And I don't, I don't see him doing it now. I don't need Mason in the chat.

Mason's been trying to drop this in the chat for about five days now. I'm going to address it here because everybody knows it's total bs at this point except certain message borders who keep trying to wish it into existence uh brian kelly is likely a candidate for the michigan no he's not brian kelly's not leaving lsu he's not going to michigan he's not and michigan doesn't want him i can promise you that they didn't want him the first few times they don't want him now they know who you that. They didn't want him the first few times. They don't want him now. They know who their guy is. And speaking to the people directly involved in this and it's Sharon Moore. And it makes perfect sense, fellas, to try to keep that roster. Like Jesse said, to try to keep that roster intact. They love this guy. What Trevor

Keegan, Michigan's offensive guard, said about him after the game, he saved my career and everybody in this locker room really just adores this guy. But he's not just a player's coach. He'll come down on you as well. They have all the confidence in the world. And the culture is very strong, fellas. And, you know, as we saw from Bo Schembechler to Gary Moeller to Lloyd Carr, culture can take you a long way, even if you're not the best coach in the country. Well, and you don't have to just stack five stars anymore.

I think Michigan proved that. I think Washington showed proved that i think washington showed us that this year uh especially michigan the way they strategically recruited out of the portal the last few years and that's something that hardball probably didn't get enough credit for and you know maybe maybe it was some of the younger guys on the staff that that were the driving force there because i will say a couple of the later transfer portal additions that they've gotten over the last couple of years, offensive linemen,

two centers, Olu Olu Timmy and Drake Nugent with Aries Henderson, the left tackle this year. So hey, Sharon Moore had a little bit to do with that. Who knows? But, but also Josiah Stewart,

the edge rusher from, from coastal Carolina. They got a player from UMass who played a huge role like that. They are, they're good at that. And I imagine that's something this spring that they'll have to address, from Coastal Carolina. They got a player from UMass who played a huge role. They're good at that. And I imagine that's something this spring that they'll have to address. But before we get to that, because we do need to talk about going forward with Michigan quarterback, all that stuff.

But I want to unpack the Harbaugh era because I am fascinated by how this all went down. Because I remember 2014. I distinctly remember watching the Michigan Minnesota game in 2014 and Brady hoax sitting there with no headset. Like, what are we even doing here guys? Like what,

what is going on with this storied program that can't beat Ohio state can't beat Michigan state and is losing to the likes of Rutgers, Maryland and Minnesota in the same year. Like, that was what Jim Harbaugh got brought into. And Chris, you covered this, so you can give us more background on it. But walk us through Jim Hackett, who was the interim AD after Dave Brandon, going and getting Jim Harbaugh from the 49ers. Yeah, they called it Project Unicorn, right? And they did a great job of keeping it on the down low because everybody, all of the NFL

experts were saying the same thing. There's no way that Jim Harbaugh is coming here. He's not a candidate and we knew better. We had two or three well-placed sources saying that, okay, Jim is completely focused on the San Francisco 49ers right now. But at the same time, you know what? He's very interested in Michigan. So we saw that and we were, you know what? We kept a close eye on it. And when it became very apparent that it was going to be Jim Harbaugh, that was it.

Everybody thought that the program was saved. So, and sure enough, it took a while, but like you said, it was two different, basically two different eras of Jim Harbaugh. It was the one that had the disappointment And sure enough, it took a while, but like you said, it was two different, basically two different eras of Jim Harbaugh. It was the one that had the disappointment in the last three years were fantastic. So that was everything that Michigan hoped it would be. And that's the thing.

What happened the first time, like the first part of it, is they got better immediately. They beat the teams they were spilling. I remember going to, I don't remember if it was Jim Harbaugh's it wasn't jim harbaugh's first spring game his second spring game at michigan and coming away just marveling that they had zero false start penalties on their offensive line for an entire spring game even though they just split the teams it wasn't first team second team so these were guys that weren't used to playing together. And zero false start penalties, zero procedural stuff.

And I'm like, okay, so they're going to have the fundamentals down. But can they beat the teams that are elite? Can they do that? And it took a while to get there. First, they had to turn the Michigan State rivalry around. They did that. But then the Ohio State thing just kept going. And I will never forget sitting in there in 2019 so this is you know that 2018 is the year they go to columbus they're a four and a half point favorite they get 63 hung on them the next year you're like all right no way

they do it again urban meyer's gone they're not going to do this to him again in the big house ohio state thumps michigan every new crossing around is a fresh hell like and i remember jim harbaugh gets asked is it a talent gap is it a recruiting gap or is it a coaching gap and jim harbaugh's eyes just whip around to the guy asking the question in that moment and he said i'll i'll answer your questions not your insults and i'm like that's not an that's a fair question it was a hundred percent fair question there but how did he fix this like it was it was broken after 2020 jesse well yeah and and i think a lot has been you know bruce feldman has written a lot about kind of he's, I think,

been really plugged in there, your former colleague, Andy, with writing some of the behind-the-scenes stuff on that transition with Harbaugh. I think the uniqueness of this entire deal, because we are kind of expressing how it is kind of like two different tenures almost in the same time, is Harbaugh is going to be an outlier here guys in terms of athletic directors patience you know he was winning at michigan but he wasn't winning enough to the fans you know fans his expectations now him being back at his alma mater i think certainly gave him a longer rope than a lot of other coaches but the fact that he was able to not only stick it out,

but to stick it out, pivot, you know, he was a guy that was running the spread offense with Shea Patterson. And then really after the COVID year was like, Hey, let's embrace physicality. Let's embrace toughness. He kind of changed his whole philosophy. I think with how he's approached the players behind the scenes stuff, obviously with guys like Ben Herbert, you know, making some key hires, going younger on his staff in general with guys like Sharon Moore and others. And now and the fruits paid off, you know, you get kind of humbled and you win the Big Ten.

You finally get over the hump against Ohio State three years ago, but then you get humbled by Georgia. You come back, and not only do you double down, but you beat Ohio State again last season, but then you kind of lay an egg, maybe have a little bit overconfidence against TCU. This whole entire season, the entire 2023 season, felt like Michigan, with everybody knowing that this probably was Harbaugh's last season, wanting to get back to the NFL, that they were pushing all their chips in, and it worked. He dialed up all the right numbers. The fact that he was suspended for half the season when he only coached in six regular season games,

and they still go undefeated. They then win the big playoff game to beat Alabama, kind of slay the giant that is the Tide, and then emphatically win a national championship. I mean, it's kind of a remarkable arc, I do think. You know, college football is going to miss Jim Harbaugh just as a personality, as a character. I don't think that – there's not going to be a lot that's written about that right away in this immediate aftermath.

But, you know, he's a guy that was you know piping off about the sec andy you know six seven years ago and satellite camps and drinking milk and talking about sleeping over at recruits house to now in the present day you know he's been kind of advocating for players rights um yeah pushing that you know these guys should be should be contractually paid totally different uh but still a great personality. So he will be missed. So, Chris, I got to ask you this. Well, before I ask you this, we'll go back to 2020.

We know now that everything that happened in 2020 was an anomaly, essentially, other than Alabama being really good because they had the best receiving core in the history of the world. Everything else pretty much was an anomaly. Did not track with anything that came before it or after it. Michigan didn't know that at the time. All they knew is they'd gotten crushed by Ohio State a couple years in a row. They'd lost a bunch of games.

The games they'd played in 2020, they looked terrible. They were overhauling everything. If Jim Harbaugh is not Jim Harbaugh, Michigan alum, does he get fired there instead of them cutting his pay? Great question, and I don't think so. Michigan operates a little bit differently. Rich Rodriguez was a bad fit, and everybody knew it. Everybody's going to say, well, they got rid of Rich after three years. And yeah, that's true.

They would have gotten rid of him after one at most places. Exactly. Or two at most, right? So a place like Michigan with Brady Hoke, you know, it was, they almost gave Brady Hoke another year. In fact, Dave Brand or, you know, Jim Hackett said, you know what? I really liked Brady Hoke. And, you know, if we'd had a little more time, you know, to give him a little bit more help with his staff, you know, maybe it could have worked here. But when it comes to Jim Harbaugh, he's a proven commodity, right? And if it's not Jim Harbaugh, then who is it?

I think is what a lot of people thought. You know, if he can't win here, then who can? The irony about it, guys, is that they were convinced that Ohio State had their signals on defense for the two years that they got destroyed. They didn't have their signals. John Brown was just really – Donovan was really predictable. Right. Yeah, exactly. But they were putting up signs.

I remember it was the Citrus Bowl against Alabama. They were putting up signs behind the bench because they were convinced. But others told us all they had to do was to put the tight end in motion, and they knew what defense was coming, right? So regardless, you know what? Everybody wants to say, well, this is what really lit the fire under Jim Harbaugh was having his pay cut in half, and that might have been it. That was a blow to his ego.

We know how he took it. It was hard for him. But to me, when he started bringing in some of the Michigan guys like Ron Bellamy and Mike Hart and some of these younger guys to to me and they got it back and he became more of a college coach again guys than he was you know for a long time he operated like an nfl coach because that's what he was for three years before coming to michigan uh or four years but then he got back to his roots as well that speed and space crap out the door he's like i'm all right i'm going to use my tight end as a fullback we're going to do it my way and if it works great if it doesn't then at least we're going to die the way that i wanted

to go and he got right back to his roots yeah i actually feel jesse you mentioned this earlier i feel like the getting back to and not only his roots he got back to michigan like there's some fielding yo stuff going on in there some some bo shem beckler stuff like how much of that just kind of re-established the identity jesse helped create what we saw this season oh i you're leading me you almost like a horse leading me to water here andy i mean how remarkable is it that jim harbaugh spent the last 12 months talking about how jj mccarthy is as good as patrickomes is a Superman quarterback. They never even needed those powers. They didn't even really need JJ to be special to win a national championship. He had flashes, you know, here and there, but Michigan was so well-rounded and so dominant

in the trenches, both offensively and defensively that they were able to literally grind their way to just, you know, pound opponents into the dust and win a national championship. And if that doesn't speak to just kind of the entire team and program embracing Harbaugh's, you know, who's got it better than us, you know, we're just going to pound and ground you into submission. I don't know what does. Yeah, McCarthy, I think, absolutely could be like the quarterback that Jim Harbaugh's about to go coach with the Chargers,

where Justin Herbert didn't have a fantastic college career at Oregon. He was pretty good, had flashes. J.J. McCarthy won a national championship, had flashes. I think McCarthy could be an even better quarterback in the NFL, and then Jim's prediction would come to fruition as well. Yeah, and you know what? Eight passes, guys, against Penn State on the road. He threw eight times.

They ran 32 times in a row. Would you have predicted that any program would be able to win a national championship the way that Michigan did? Because I thought those days were gone, fellas. I really did. No, and I'll tell you, and I realize I'm going back to the 2020 season, which I should never do, but after that Alabama team because because you saw the way Nick Saban had evolved, you saw the way he had changed how his teams ran offensively. And it's like, OK, if this guy who's the best adapter of anybody, if this guy says that this is how it's to be done now, I guess this is how it's to be done.

But as Jim Harbaugh and company prove, there's more than one way to skin a cat. And also, let's go to the folks who are Ohio State fans right now. They would love if their team got back to where it could run the ball down people's throats. That was one of the best things they did at the height of the Urban Meyer era. And now they don't do it very well, and Michigan does, and it's a completely different... The way this rivalry is flipped

is mind-boggling to me, guys. Did you wonder at one point if Michigan was ever going to win another game? Because that's what it felt like. Yes, yes. I said, how are you going to compete with this? You know what? This is what you look at recruiting rankings,

and they're certainly not everything, but the way that Ohio State was moving the ball on them and the way that they were dominating both lines of scrimmage and still having that elite passing game, you're like, okay. And it almost seems like Ryan Day has gotten away from that a little bit, and they're still, even though they're recruiting the portal now, right, they don't have a ton of offensive linemen and that's where Michigan's been winning these games. So I give credit to Jim Harbaugh for saying, okay, this is how we're going

to do it. And, uh, but at the same time, you know what, um, this changes a lot of things, fellas, because, uh, Jim Harbaugh is an elite football coach. And now you're talking about handing it over to a guy that, yeah, he's got the one win against Ohio state, but he's going to have to recruit at a higher level, in my opinion, to get it there. But to your point, I think they had some guys that were under recruited and underrated. If you look at a guy like Kenneth Grant, for example,

who was a three-star at one point, and he's now out there running down running backs. Mason Graham is one of the best sophomore defensive tackles that I've ever seen at Michigan or anywhere else, both of those guys. And you got them for another year, running backs mason graham is one of the best sophomore defensive tackles that i've ever seen at michigan or anywhere else uh both of those guys and you got them for another year but they hey alabama fans courtney morgan the former michigan player who was the director of personnel at michigan who helped unearth mason graham he's now your guy so congratulations to bama for that exactly but that's where i thought that at hardball was great hopefully sharon more will

be the same way because i do think he's an outstanding recruiter. And Ohio State's Andy's going back to that identity. I do think we're seeing that. I think we're seeing the moves that Ryan Day has made this off season with maybe likely embracing more of the power, you know, QB run game by getting Will Howard, you gethawn Judkins and Travion Henderson coming back. But as Chris just teased, it's been the offensive line that I think has held back the Buckeyes, and they haven't exactly loaded up there. They are bringing back their two tackles, Donovan, the interior guard.

But that wasn't a unit that was really moving a lot of people all that much a year ago. So Seth McLaughlin can block a little bit, but if he's snapping it, you know, 18 yards over your quarterback's head, I don't know how much help that's going to be. He may be playing guard, but let's talk about who's going to play for Michigan this year because, Ballas, the segment that shall never be shown,

that we'll never see the light of day, where we were updating everyone on this, we did get into a discussion about who plays quarterback for Michigan this year. So I will ask you once again, is Michigan starting 2024 quarterback on the roster currently? I don't think so. Not unless they don't find somebody in the spring period. And there will be options out there, Andy. You know, I don't think, I think there will be some guys that don't want to wait their

turn and they can say, hey, I can go to Michigan and be the guy. Jake Ruddock comes to mind right away. Iowa and Jim Harbaugh's first year comes in and throws for over 3,000 yards and has an outstanding first year. So there will be guys out there that they will pursue. Alex Orji, I think there will be a bigger role for him in some capacity. He's too good an athlete to not be. But a lot of these guys, Jaden Denigle is another one.

Jaden Davis, true freshman. I think he's going to have to wait his turn. And talking to people like Kirk Campbell, the Michigan's quarterback's coach, at some of these bowl practices, he said the same thing. He's just got to understand it's going to take some time. He's got to be patient. So I don't think it's going to be him right away. All these guys, though, texted immediately after J.J. McCarthy said that he was going to the NFL and said, look, guys, I am ready.

I'm going to be that guy. And they've really taken it upon themselves to get ready. But I don't think that guy is on the roster. I think they're going to have to go out and get somebody if they want to compete in the Big Ten. That is the next frontier is what's Michigan going to have to go out and get somebody if they want to compete in the big 10 well that that's that is the next frontier is what's michigan going to do they've got to defend right now because the portal opens for 30 days with with jim harbaugh leaving so they got to play defense right now and then they've got to go selectively pick and choose in their spots because as as the folks were pointing out and as i was pointing out when i was doing that game time ad michigan's schedule is really hard next year yeah it's not easy man

you got texas at home uh you go out to washington the washington of course has got a revamped roster but uh it's going to be a well-coached football team i can promise you that i'm going to be slinging it all over the place again and so you got oregon uh you got you have to go to ohio state uh you don't have penn state on the schedule yeah, it's a lot tougher than this year. Guys, we knew it was a foregone conclusion going into that Penn State game that they could, you know, they were playing guys half games and three quarters of games before they got there. And you knew that they were going to be undefeated and it was a three game season. So that's not going to be the case this year.

So I'm looking at a step back, clearly, you know, maybe if you get a good quarterback get a good quarterback you know nine and three ten and two because there's still a lot of talent but there's just not going to be as much depth so it's going to be on them to go out and get some pieces i know they've already started working on it fellas uh i don't want to call it tampering but you know there are some back channels there that we've talked about that i think it's going to be very attractive to some young quarterback prospect they all tam tamper, but I'm sure a bunch of Ohio State fans just went, Cheaters! Cheaters! We haven't even talked about the cheating element of all this, guys.

It's weird. But before we talk about that, let us talk about perhaps the best comment we've seen all night. Now, we were talking about Alex Orji, who you saw in the Wildcat formation some toward the end of the season. Michael Brown in the chat deserves 100% credit for this one. Orji's great. He really gets a lot of people involved. I can confirm that on the football field.

I was going to say, I can't confirm that ever. But best comment we've gotten all night for sure all right let us talk about cheating let us talk about and i'm i'm gonna use air quotes here because if you're a michigan fan you're getting mad at me because i even brought it up uh if you're an ohio state fan you think everybody should go to jail uh we can talk about burgergate we could talk about connor stallions uh burger gate is the one that does have some legs still because sharon moore clearly was caught up in it because michigan suspended him for game one this year as a preemptive strike to whatever the ncaa is going to

do yeah and i think that was more about watching film of a kid when he wasn't supposed to be and it was the way it was explained to us. How dare he? The kid, yeah, a kid had one recruit and I think it was Thomas Fedone who ended up at Nebraska, I believe. And he, his brother was sick or something like that. And he said, Hey, my brother wants to show you that he's getting better. He had leukemia or something. I don't want to, I don't want to say that. I don't know the details, but he wanted to show him that he could do some pushups or something like that. So they're watching him do this. And, uh, and so he got dinged for that, uh, Ooh, the horror, right. But, uh, you know what? Um, so I think he's in the clear there. The one game was more

than enough. Mike McDonald, I think had a one-year show cause for something, but obviously that didn't materialize into anything when he went back to the NFL. So, but you know, Michigan really needed to win this whole thing to make a lot of this go away. And you're still going to have the Ohio State fans, Michigan State fans saying, you know, they've got the asterisk there. But when the NCAA president comes out and says nobody's going to argue that you won this thing fair and square now, I think the worst of it is gone. They still haven't determined that Connor Stallions was on the sidelines at the Central Michigan game and the NCAA and its infinite wisdom there. We know the details. They haven't called us fortunately, but, but it's just crazy. The whole thing's nuts. You don't have to talk to them, Ballas.

I don't. And I will not. I refuse. So unless they give me the right amount of money, but no, no, but regardless, it's gone away. And I think, you know what? That's not going to be part of the legacy because they want it all. If they'd fallen short fellows, then I think you would still have a lot of people saying they only got there because they cheated ryan in the uh in the chat andy quickly went from orgy to cheating you guys are on fire tonight that's all i can say on fire uh but the connor style yeah connor stallions by the

way now doing cameos for 70 bucks like yeah should we should we hire con Connor Stallions to congratulate Coach Harbaugh on his new job? Like, wow. You think he'd do it? If he threw 70 bucks his way? I'll chip in five if you guys got some more people there. We actually ran into Connor out at the Rose Bowl. We were at Universal, and he happened to be there. And for two hours, picked his brain on stuff.

It was fascinating. I think you're going to see him do a documentary at some point about this whole thing. It's just, it really is a 30 for 30 guys, or maybe even an E60. There are layers to this that people don't even know about that are just absolutely fascinating as to, you know, who hired the PI. Michigan's convinced, as I wrote and told you, that it was Ohio State and Ryan Day knew about it and so on and so forth. And they say they've got paper trails and everything else. So someday, hopefully the entire truth comes out because I can't wait to see it on the big i will believe about 90 of this when i see it right but i i do want to know like did connor say he'd email you the the the manifest do we can you call it to the person or do you want to call it a like do

you say can i see your book because we all know it's a manifesto but i don't know if want to call it a, like, do you say, can I see your book? Because we all know it's a manifesto, but I don't know if I'd call it a manifesto to him. You know what? It is amazing how, I mean, he's almost like a rock star out there. People were buying him beers and everything else. And I'm like, you know, some people say, oh, he disgraced the program. And other people are like, oh, my God, that's Connor Stallions. I took a picture of a fan in the stands at the championship game.

He lifts up his shirt, a he, and it says free Connor Stallions written on his chest. It's nuts. So, but again, guys, this is all much, a much bigger deal. If, you know, if, if Ohio state had waited or whoever turned them in had waited until the end of the year, you know what, then they wouldn't have any chance at all to have proven that they were the best team in the country. That's the interesting part of this to me is that then you're going back and say, okay, they must've been cheating the whole whole time but now you had a chance to prove yourselves and to me that eliminates the the most of the asterisk anyway there's always going to be people that have questions well i also think it no matter who turned in who the way it happened was so much

worse for ryan day in ohio State because they lost to the interim coach than it would have been otherwise. And that's just purely by chance the way that happened, but it wound up looking so much worse. And it's like we went back to when the guy in the chat said third base Sharon. Like, no, Sharon is 1-0 against Ohio State. Like, that just makes Ohio State look terrible.

Yeah, and two days before the game, he goes on a – Ryan Day goes on a local TV show, and he says, now it's clear why we were losing. You know, everything will come out, and I'll talk about it at the right time. He backed himself into a corner, guys, where he had to win that football game, even though it was reported that they knew about the signal thing the year before they didn't have any excuses in the 45 to 23 game in Columbus but you know the fan base is going to cling to that but now he goes out there and he says you know what now we know what was going on it's up to us to win that game and to fix it and then you get beat by an interim

coach right once you once you establish that you're saying okay this game is going to be played on saturday is is straight up and therefore we must win it so yeah it is it now he's under the more the most pressure and you know we've talked about on this show all week what ohio state's doing to ramp up the roster i think the moves they've made are very good like i i think ohio state going to be really good next year, but they got to beat Michigan. And we don't know that it's going to be Michigan-Ohio State. They play, and then they play again the next week in the Big Ten championship game because now Oregon's in the mix. Washington's in the mix. What if Andy Kotelnicki runs a really fun offense at Penn State?

We don't know what's going to happen. How much does it help? I know a lot of Michigan fans are probably frustrated that this is drug on state like we don't know what's gonna happen no how much does it help how much does it help you know i know a lot of michigan fans are probably frustrated that this is drug on for so long but in light of like andy's column uh from just a week ago basically or five days ago uh saying you know it would behoove the wolverines uh to kind of see what's happened at Alabama, Washington, et cetera, and promote Jerome Moore to avoid kind of that roster wrecking. How much does it help, Chris, that this has drug on,

and now we've kind of crossed this Rubicon of the academic calendar where it will be difficult for these guys. Yes, Michigan's roster can be plucked in the 30-day window, but these guys are already enrolled in classes. The spring semester everywhere has started. You can make some exemptions, but, you know, if these guys are going to, you know, mess up their academic standing, they may be wary to make a move there.

It's a tight group, fellas, and Sharon Moore is a huge part of that. And so I don't see a whole lot of roster movement here. I don't. And that's just not that's not just me talking as a Michigan homer or whatever. This is me having interviewed these kids for a long time. And guys like Will Johnson, his dad played here. I spoke again to some of the NIL people tonight. They said they aren't even worried about him. He has basically come out and said, you know what, the culture here, this program, this is my program, and my brothers feel the same way. And I think that's the case. They had one guy offered $800,000, fellas, another one $400,000.

They aren't making that at Michigan, but they decided to stick around. And that's not going to change, I think, with Sharon Moore in charge. So I can see a couple of guys here and there, and it's going to be hard to keep them. But Michigan's NIL efforts have gotten better since the national championship. Still not where they need to be. Maybe a third of what Ohio State is, guys, from the NIL guys that I've talked to. So it needs to get better. How do they change that?

I mean, it's not like Michigan has a massive alumni base, a wealthy alumni base. Is it a philosophical thing that they need to get across at this point? Yeah, and they need the athletic department 100% behind it, and I think that's changed and that's finally gotten to that point. But, you know, it's a little late at this point. This should have been something where if you're proactive, you're being prepared for this because you don't have that $5 million donor

at this point. Steven Ross's money is all tied up. The owner of the Dolphins, you know, their building's named for him. Everybody just assumes that somebody can drop $5 or $10 million, money is all tied up. The owner of the Dolphins, you know, their building's named for him. Everybody just assumes that somebody can drop five or 10 million like is going on here. But you know, what's the best motivator guys is losing. And we've seen it at Ohio State. We are not going to let this happen again. So maybe it will take a lean year or two for the Michigan fan base to really jump on board. I think you're right about that. I mean, Texas got way ahead of the curve on this and it's because

they had not been as successful as they wanted to be like they were ahead of the nil curve as soon as it started oregon was because they weren't winning at the the level they wanted to win tennessee nebraska they were really not winning at all and and wanted to change their fortune so yeah it's interesting because i think we found with nick saban leaving alabama that they were in a different situation like they had they had a nick saban discount guys would take less to get developed by nick saban and guess what when it's not nick saban maybe they don't take less anymore right and concept yeah go ahead jesse yeah it's a proof of concept i mean that's what it is i mean that george is benefiting from that now um you know steve sarkeesian texas can pay but i think the

more that they continue to develop maybe they won't have to pay as much because you start to send some defensive linemen and some offensive linemen to the nfl those have been you know positions of absence for the longhorns for several years. Just B. John Robinson was our first first round pick since Vince Young, which is an insane staff. Malcolm Brown was the last pick. Offensive, offensive, offensive player. Excuse me. Need to add that qualifier.

So it's, it's a phenomenal, we're at a phenomenal, you know, just kind of pivot point for college football. Who's the second best coach in the sport now? Yeah. Now that Harbaugh ball's gone Saban's gone there's only three active coaches there's only three active head coaches with the national championship Kirby Dabo and Mack Brown yeah and Dabo's kind of fastball right a little bit some people would say so it's nuts over two yeah chiron more clearly right i i mean sark's got a case i i mean you you can go degree of difficulty like lance leipold at kansas who by the way would love the michigan job if they if they were to hire from outside but i don't think he's going to get that opportunity i'm sure his agent would love kansas to believe that they might do it. That's what we will see.

Does anybody get raises off of this thing? Because, like, lots of people got raises off Alabama. I don't know if anybody's going to get any raises off of this sucker. Yeah, great question. Not the Michigan one. You know, maybe some of the Michigan coordinators. You know what? If they threw a boatload of money at Jesse Minner and said,

hey, stick around, but he's going to have options, fellas. That guy's brilliant. It sounds like he'll probably go to L.A. with Jim, you know, and I asked him immediately after the game, the Washington game, you know, there are going to be rumors and goes, now's not the time. But again, we'd heard from so many people that the NFL was his next stop. The Eagles interviewed him last year. So that tells you how highly thought of he is and that's going to continue. So, but they are going to throw a lot of money. I think an assistant coaching pool, what they need to realize is that they can't go on the cheap fellows. If you're going to hire um so but they are going to throw a lot of money i think an assistant coaching pool what they need to realize is that they can't go on the cheap fellas if you're going to hire a

more then you better give him everything he needs in terms of nil in terms of an elite coaching staff and that means keeping ben herbert as well and keeping this thing rolling uh for talent as well the thing is you can probably pay him six million less than you were paying Jim Harbaugh. Like, so you can use that money on coordinators too. Zach Zenter, the Michigan offensive lineman, tweeted, no interviews needed. It's Papa Moore's time. So you got that one. I mean, it feels like a fait accompli, Jesse,

and Chris was pretty adamant about it and has been adamant about it for weeks that this is how it will go down. Yeah, the seven days thing I think is going to – the more that that gets out there is probably going to be – that would probably behoove Michigan to maybe kind of promote that, that this is – there's a timeline here. We have to follow this uh, this deal, because I do think some people probably believe, Hey, if it is Jerome Moore, why can't you announce

this move tomorrow? And the fact that there is a little bit of, uh, you know, work legwork that they technically need to do behind the scenes to say, Hey, to actually rubber stamp this deal, it, the Zach Zenner and more players coming out and being like hey we this is our guy even if it's not official i think will help the program yeah and and it will help just reinforce hey he's coming right it's gonna be him calm down everybody and i think the sooner now you don't have to wait seven days. If you can get Ben Herbert to stay the strength coach, the sooner you can say he's staying, you just throw it,

throw a little raise his way or a big raise, however you want to handle it. I don't, I would imagine Jim Harbaugh would like to take him. The reason I seem so sure about this is NFL teams don't really need strength coaches the way that college teams do that it doesn't work the same way guys have their own private trainers so NFL teams are not usually willing to invest the way college teams are in those guys but I think if you can lock that guy down like put the

graphic up tonight he's staying yeah and again especially if you know you're gonna lose Jesse Minner because I think the the biggest backbones and foundation of Michigan's turnaround the last couple years under Hogwell has been this development within the strength and conditioning program, emphasizing that toughness, that nastiness. Sharon Moore's been right there with his gnarly offensive lines, but then you've had these great defenses and you've kind of, you know, Jim Farbaugh himself, I wrote it today, Jim Farbaugh himself called Ben Herbert kind of the X factor of the program. And you mentioned how many players have sung his praises. Yeah. Announce that he's going to be the strength and conditioning coordinator again. And then, as you mentioned, some of these, you know,

if you have some extra funds because you're not going to have to pay Cheryl Moore $10 million a year as a first-year head coach, go out and land a big-time defensive coordinator. You keep Clint Scale and some of these other guys on staff, but go get a guy that has experience a la Jim Leonard or somebody like that. Exactly. LJ in the chat misunderstood what I said completely. Not shocked that Staples has no idea about Texas NIL,

which was way overblown. They would barely sit around the top 10, way overblown in the amount Texas NIL spent. I'm not saying they spend the most. I'm saying they spend the best. I'm saying they're good at it. They're good at identifying who they want and going and getting them. And they're good at retaining the guys they need to retain. That's being good at it they're good at identifying who they want and going and getting them and they're good at retaining the guys they need to retain that's being good at nil spending the most

is not good at nil notice i didn't say texas a and m like there's a difference well someone argue andy they necessarily spend it they uh they they uh planned to spend it right if you if you leave all right if you leave before they can spend it on you for three four years then maybe they didn't but yeah i this will this will be a fascinating year in college football and we've had we've had to say goodbye to chris ballas because he's been covering this story for two weeks and his battery just died on us like it died and that's that's how it goes but check out the wolverine because they have it all covered about what's next at michigan stay with us on three we'll obviously be updating you know pete nakos has already got a story up

about how the the transfer portal opening when a coach leave works. Now it doesn't mean anybody's going to jump in necessarily, but it is something that you're going to watch. And Jesse, let's be real. Michigan has really good players that people are going to try. Alabama might want. Yeah. Yeah. Or Georgia or Texas or, or Oregon or Tennessee or whoever.

Yes. I'll tell you what, though. I think the irony is that we have discussed now ad nauseum that this is not going to happen, that it is going to be Sharon Moore. It is, again, almost a formality at this point. But if O'Brien Kelly or if Michigan decided to take this search national, I do think a lot of other programs would be rooting for that because the more chaos would open up more dominoes down the line. Yeah. I mean, if,

if LSU's roster was available to be poached, there would be just teams. Oh my God. It just be a feeding frenzy. And that would create a domino because who are the tigers get but again it we seem to it seems to be a formality that you know interim oc or interim o-line oc uh sharon moore will get the job there i and also i just love it when o-line coaches become head coaches offensive linemen are the best people in the world and all line coaches know how to handle these they have the biggest position group they have the the biggest disparity in personalities usually they've got to manage and it is it's fun to see because for a long time it was like oh those guys don't you know we can't have them be coordinators we can't have them be head coaches

all line coaches and head coaches the wave of the future j, Jesse. Andy Reid getting it done in the NFL. Soon to be Sharon Moore getting it done at the college level. Going to be so much fun. Guys in the chat, it's not going to be Brian Kelly. He's not leaving LSU. I cannot stress this enough. It will not be Brian Kelly. Feel free to send this to All Takes Exposed. It will not be Brian Kelly. Feel free to send this to all takes exposed.

It will not be Brian Kelly. Is that is that emphatic enough, Jesse? I think he hammered. I think he hammered that point home. All right. Well, all right. Before we go, we're not an NFL show, but let's talk about this. Jim Harbaugh is with the Chargers now. Do you think he can get that Super Bowl? This is a guy in four years with the 49ers. The first three went to the NFC Championship game. One of those, he went to the Super Bowl. Lost to his brother.

Beyonce performed. There was a blackout. I don't think that caused the loss. But do you think he gets that Superbowl that eluded him? I think he's got a shot. I mean, it would be naive to, to, to just outright dismiss it because he's a guy who's won everywhere. Um, I, you know, not knowing the, the, it seems like reading a little bit, the chargers have some cap issues. Yes.

Specifically defensively. But when you have, you got your quarterback, and you do have some other talent on the roster. You got a Bosa brother. You got a Bosa brother. You got some pretty good offensive linemen. Does Joey Bosa want to play for a Michigan man, though? Ohio State star Joey Bosa.

I think he's probably okay. He's got a big contract. I think he'll be fine with it. Yeah, I mean, I think probably what also helps Jim Harbaugh, ironically, is that even though he's going back to a big city, a major market in L.A., the Chargers are the little brother and, you know, they, they don't get nearly the shine, um, as even the LA Rams, which are over, you know, overblown in their own, uh, city by the Lakers and the Dodgers and everything else going on. So I think he'll be given, you know, the fact that the Spanos family, which has been considered

notoriously cheap did land Jim Harbaugh. I think that speaks to the investment there. And so I think much like his tenure at Michigan, he's going to get a long rope, which means if you're banking on him, potentially winning a Superbowl and let's say five to six years, I would, I would give it decent odds. Yeah. And I'll be interested to see what they do from a personnel standpoint because the coaches in college expect 100 personnel control like that's what you get in college now that may change as the era and the rules change but in the nfl most people don't get that so i bet harbaugh gets more personnel control than we think or than than most coaches would get because remember it was it was issues with the general manager that derailed him yeah in in san francisco and so they don't have they don't have a gm yet with the chargers they just hired him so he's right assume he would

have some input into that or at least get to meet some of the candidates and say, this is who I'd like to work with if possible. But I can't wait to see it. Cannot wait to see what happens next at Michigan. Can they play defense in the portal? Is Sharon Moore just signing up, you know, waiting? The posting period ends. Sharon Moore goes. I think that's probably what happens. signing up you know waiting you know the the posting period ends sharon moore goes i think that's probably what happens but it's you know who does he hire as his dc because they're probably

losing jesse mentor so a lot of questions to be answered we will be covering them all in the coming days and weeks on this show we do it every night normally we do it at 8 p.m eastern time thursday through sorry, Sunday through Thursday. But tonight, obviously, there was breaking news, so we went a little early. But Sunday through Thursday, 8 p.m. Eastern time, be here on YouTube. Subscribe to the All3Sports YouTube channel. That's right. Smash that like button.

I never say that, Jesse. I should say it more. Smash it. All right. Jim Harbaugh, off the NFL.