Andy & Ari On3 - Let March Madness BEGIN: Who makes a run? Is Rick Pitino in the GOAT conversation? Success for Nebraska and Cincinnati

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

It’s the best day of college sports, and Andy & Ari get you ready here with a Dear Andy & Ari edition on deck. As the tournament starts today, a fan asks which is more likely: A #1 seed falling earl...y or a double digit seed make a run to the Final Four? Andy & Ari discuss. Later, another fan asks about where Rick Pitino falls on the pantheon of college basketball coaches. A jam packed show to get you ready for the first BIG day of hoops here.   (0:00) On Today’s Episode (0:49) Presenting Sponsor (2:59) Intro: March Madness is here (5:03) Dear Andy & Ari: March Predictions (11:30) Rick Pitino, Best Coach? (22:50) Culver’s (24:17) Doubleheader football event (32:06) Nebraska’s Success: Fan Response (44:54) Cincinnati Bearcats’ Success in 2026 (58:41) Conclusion: It's Time As the fellas continue on in Dear Andy & Ari, a fan asks if a venue would pull off a doubleheader college football event. As the guys discussed Nebraska’s success in 2026, Andy & Ari received a rebuttal from a Nebraska fan. Andy & Ari examine Nebraska's success through a fan’s perspective.   To close, Andy & Ari head over to Ohio to discuss the Bearcats and Cincinnati. Will Cincinnati ever contend for the Big 12 conference?     Send in your questions for Dear Andy & Ari here: andystapleson3@gmail.com ari.wasserman@on3.com   Andy & Ari are live at Culver’s Game Day Hub in Indianapolis on April 4th, capturing the energy, flavor and hometown pride that make this city come alive on game day. They’re bringing you the best moments from a day filled with games, fans and plenty of Fresh Frozen Custard.     Our show is also presented by BetMGM!   If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works:   1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB. 2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game. 3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sure you use bonus code CFB when you sign up!   Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary.   See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel.   Join On3 today! https://www.on3.com/join   Subscribe to On3!  ⬇️ youtube.com/on3sports/?sub_confirmati... Welcome to On3 | The best of college football and recruiting https://www.on3.com/   Listen to Andy & Ari On3 on podcast!   Spotify 🎧: https://open.spotify.com/show/5AhQ4d2m5TQu5Q2vkwtxjt?si=d9016221aa2a4427   Apple 🍎: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/andy-staples-on3/id1695325427   Follow Andy & Ari On3 on X! https://x.com/AndyAriOn3   Follow Andy Staples on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples   Follow Andy Staples on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andy_staples   Follow Ari Wasserman on Twitter: https://x.com/AriWasserman   Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/on3sports   Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/on3/   Like/Follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/On3Sports/   Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari Wasserman Producer: River Bailey   Interested in partnering with the show? Email advertise@on3.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 On today's Andy and Ari on three, the NCAA basketball tournament is here. We are hours away from tip off, and it's a mailback show. You have some great questions, including one, right out of the shoot about this tournament. Which number one seed is the most vulnerable to an early exit? Also, if Rick Petino never leaves for the Boston Celtics from Kentucky, is he the greatest college basketball coach of all time? plus a response to Ari's idea of what success means for Nebraska football in 2026. A Nebraska fan takes issue.
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Starting point is 00:03:04 Happy, happy day. It is the Thursday that opens the NCAA basketball tournament. One of the best sports days of the year, maybe the best start to finish sports day of the year, because the games tip off at noon Eastern or are going to, you'll be in Vegas when they start 9 a.m. Eastern or 9 a.m. Pacific time. And you just go all day. you're going basically 12 hours.
Starting point is 00:03:34 I realize I'm describing a college football Saturday, but you've got single elimination, anything can happen, Cinderella's buzzer beaters, you name it. This is Thursday and Friday. These two days are my favorite days of the sports year, and I say that as a card-carrying football guy,
Starting point is 00:03:53 but this is just heaven, Ari. Absolutely happens. One of the best days of the year. I still think that there are some better days like college football Saturdays, but I'm loyal to the brand. No, this is going to be great. I can't wait. And the coolest thing about it, too, is when you go in on Thursday, Andy, you don't know who the star is going to be. You don't know which team it's going to be.
Starting point is 00:04:18 You don't know who's going to break out and have their moment. Whose stage is this going to be? You know, when you get into the second and third weekends of the tournament, you kind of like, no, okay, here's who we're looking out for. like the surprise of who it's going to be in the hope that all these fan bases have, that it's their time is kind of the special thing because as much as you want to compare it to a college football Saturday that has sports on all day. Like this is a tournament to win a national championship and there are so many teams that are still alive.
Starting point is 00:04:47 So it's going to be fun and I can't wait to really get after it, watch it, and hopefully I don't lose my ass today. We'll see. We shall see. It's entirely possible. lose your ass today and that'll be funny in its own way. But our first question in the mailbag gives us a chance to lose both our asses. And we've got a couple of options. You can pick option A or option B. I know which one I'm taking, but then I've got to pick a team once I pick
Starting point is 00:05:16 the option. So here, here's the question from out of sight sports. If you had to bet your next on three paycheck on one thing that blows up everyone's 20206 bracket, would you ride with a vulnerable one seat, Duke, Michigan, Arizona, and Florida, the one seats, by the way. Flaming out early or a double digit seed making a legit final four run and which exact team are you planning your flag on? Okay, based on our conversation with John Ewing the other day from BetMGM, I'm not going with the double digit seed making the final four run. I'm not confident in anybody being able to do that. We talked about the factors that are contributing to this. The spreads are higher than ever between the low number seated teams and the high number seated teams.
Starting point is 00:06:00 I just, I don't know that we're going to see that very often anymore. I'm with you, Andy. I'm not going to pick something that I don't think is going to happen. So I also don't think the first thing is going to happen. Oh, I think it's possible with one particular team because of an injury situation and also because of the particular part of the bracket that it's in. for me it's Duke Ari.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Yeah. And as good as I think Cambooser is, I think John Shire is a great coach. This is a tough, tough road for Duke. And you're missing your point guard. You're missing your starting point guard. Caleb Foster, they're probably going to get the center back at some point. I don't know they need him to play against Sienna. But you're probably going to get him back.
Starting point is 00:06:48 So you're probably going to be four-fifths of your starting lineup. But Caden Boozer, the freshman brother of Cam Boozer, you may see him have to play point guard for the Blue Devils down the stretch. And the level of competition they have to face, I mean, listen, I always think eight-nines are a little tricky for the one. If Ohio State beats TCU, I could see the Buckeyes just getting hot and maybe winning. But that's not the one I'm worried about. they're playing St. Johns or Kansas most likely in the Sweet 16. If they make it to the Elite 8, we're talking about Michigan State or Yukon most likely. That is a rough couple of games in a row for them to have to get through to get the final four.
Starting point is 00:07:33 And I think it's tougher than anything Michigan, Arizona, or Florida has to deal with in a two games in a row situation. Yeah, I mean, it's going to sound like I'm copying you, but this is the easiest layup of like if you had to bet your paycheck on the most likely thing to happen, go with the person or the team that is in the hardest path bracket with an injury. I mean, I don't know why I would pick any of the three. Duke is the number one team, I guess, in the Ken Palm and has been viewed as the most complete team in basketball all season. So it makes sense that they're a one seed and it makes sense that people are high on them.
Starting point is 00:08:11 But at the same time, those Ken Palm ratings are also very much leaning on productivity from one of their best players before he got hurt. So we don't know what it's going to look like and Duke might still be so well-routed with the Boozer brothers to continue on to an elite eight final four run again. But if I had to bet something that I, I mean, I'm not confident in. I would be Duke or losing early as well.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Well, in the Caleb Foster situation, there is a chance, and they've left the door open that there's maybe a chance that he could come back if they make the final four. That sounds also somewhat slim. but you have to get to the final four for that to happen. And think about the coaches that they're going to have to get through. It's either Bill Self or Rick Petino probably in the Sweet 16,
Starting point is 00:08:58 and it's probably either Tom Izzo or Dan Hurley in the Elite 8. Yeah. That is incredibly rough right there. Yeah. I also read somewhere, and I know that this wasn't part of the conversation, but like the number two season, in this bracket too.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Yukon is 29 and 5, but apparently are just shooting 71% from the line as a team. And it kind of reminded me what John Ewing said the other day of like, oh, yeah. I could maybe find itself in a tough game. They're one of the poor shooting free throw teams in the country.
Starting point is 00:09:33 So I'm looking out for them, too, to see if they can extend leads or squander leads or comeback attempts, even, with the poor free throw. Well, that's it. Yeah, your free throw shooting breaking down. in a critical moment is how Tom iso winds up in the elite eight against Duke yeah Tom is always finds a way always finds a way what it's going to look like but
Starting point is 00:09:55 Michigan State's going to make a run so yeah that's a I will be betting my entire on three paycheck this weekend so that's right maybe not on this particular thing but yes scenario but yeah either way on Sunday I will be we get paid weekly guys so that's good like you know we don't have to it's not a two-week check. But we'll be having a good time getting after. And I'm excited to see if any of these things come true. But, you know, it seems like most people think that the top seeds are going to be the ones that dominate this tournament.
Starting point is 00:10:30 And everybody thinks that. So I'm kind of wondering if we're all just going to be wrong. And it's just going to go back to being crazy. I don't know. And I'm confident in Duke making it to the second week. Interestingly enough, the Florida situation, Vanderbilt knocked Florida out. out of the SEC tournament. Vanderbilt is a team that could wind up facing Florida in the Sweet 16.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Yeah. So, you know, they could see them fairly quickly and they just lost to them. So it's not like all these other teams are safe and everything. They're just going to walk into the final four. The Duke thing is just incredibly interesting because they have a very key injury and they're playing against teams led by some of the best coaches in the history of college basketball that have really good players.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Yeah. So it's going to be a lot of fun. That east bracket, I think, is the one to watch for drama. Let's stay in the east bracket for our second question. This one comes from Mikey, who's actually a Louisville fan. Is Rick Patino the greatest college basketball coach ever if he never left Kentucky for the Celtics? Or is he the greatest because two titles at two schools,
Starting point is 00:11:43 as well as three teams to the final. four. So John Wooden's the greatest college basketball coach of all time. And I don't know that there's anything Rick Patino can do to change that. But if we want to maybe put him in the same breath, I do think if Rick Patino were to win a title at St. John's, so we'd have a title at Kentucky, a title at Louisville and a title at St. John's, I think he's in the same breath as John Wood. Like it is legitimately amazing that at this age Rick Petino is still. winning at such a high level where most of the coaches of his generation have retired at this point. I realize he was pretty young when he got rolling at Providence. And remember, he also took
Starting point is 00:12:25 Providence to a Final Four. So that also counts. But this is incredible. I mean, so he took Providence to the Final Four in the 80s, in the late 80s. So it was 1986. So we're sitting here 40 years on from that and he is still coaching at a high level. Obviously, we just talked about how tough that East region is. So getting St. John's to the final four will take an incredible coaching job. But if you want to be on that list, if you want to be in the same breath as a John Wooden, that's how that happens. Now, here's where I'll argue with Mikey. So I don't think it would have mattered if he'd stayed at Kentucky. So for those who don't remember the situation, Rick Petino wins the national title in 1996 at Kentucky. The following year,
Starting point is 00:13:13 really good team, Ron Mercer, Jamal Maglore, Nasi Mohammed. They lose to Ari's alma mater, Arizona, in the national title game. And very close, they were right there. The following year, Petino then leaves for the Celtics. Tubby Smith comes in and basically a similar roster except no Ron Mercer. And Kentucky wins the national title in 1998. So the presumption is that if Patino had stayed, he also would have won the 98 national title at Kentucky. But if he stays, I do wonder, like, how long does he stay at Kentucky?
Starting point is 00:13:48 It would have probably been a really long time. He doesn't reemerge at Louisville like he did after the Celtics situation. And I do think the fact that he did it at two different schools is incredible. I think where Patino's legacy probably gets knocked is the back room or restaurant somewhere. Exactly. Is what happened is what happened off the court at Louisville. You had that, you had that situation. You had the NCAA stuff at Louisville. with the strippers on the official visits and them getting punished for that. So I think it's what happens in that Italian restaurant. It's what happens with the NCAA stuff.
Starting point is 00:14:24 That is probably more damaging to his legacy than anything that happened on the court. I think on the court, though, Andy, like in terms of coaches and proficiency consistently at multiple places, I'm not sure there's anybody else in American sports that compares. No. If my life depended on hiring one, like, somebody said, Andy, we're going to start a college basketball program. If they have a winning record, year one, you get to live.
Starting point is 00:14:55 And if they don't, you don't. Who are you going to pick to coach the team? I'm picking Rick Petino. Yeah. No questions. I'm not a college basketball historian, but John Wooden's teams are also so lopsidedly good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:10 their competition. It's kind of hard to compare eras. But in terms of like what he's been able to do and where he's been able to do it, I also think too that, you know, doing it at rivals is interesting, like doing doing big things at Kentucky and Louisville is cool. I don't know, man. In my mind, I think he's one of the best like production wise coaches in all of American sports history.
Starting point is 00:15:34 It's unbelievable. And the longevity is incredible because most coaches, let's say, that they get really good in their in their early 30s or their late 20s. They're usually either done or they moved on. They've got like Billy Donovan, who was his point guard at Providence, is a good example for this. I think Billy was 40 when he won his first national title at Florida and was, I believe, 28 when he got hired at Florida.
Starting point is 00:16:01 But he's moved on to the NBA and he's had a decent NBA career, but it has like he maybe he could have been one of the best college basketball coaches of all time, but wanted that other challenge. I'm trying to think of anybody else in the modern era. Bill Self's longevity has been incredible. Bill Self continues to win at a high level over and over and over. I also wonder, too, if Rick Petino's, and I know that this is different, but different sports, but if he would have been better in the NBA,
Starting point is 00:16:28 because he wasn't that good in the NBA, right? Like he was fine, not great. Like if he would have had one year in the NBA where his team was awesome and would have made it to the NBA finals or something, then you would have been like, oh my God. I'm just not sure the way he coaches works with NBA players. I think it probably works better with college players. But also he probably wouldn't have come back to college if that happened too.
Starting point is 00:16:46 Yeah. And it's working and it is working in the NIL era with college players, which is probably more similar to coaching in the NBA than it is, you know, him coaching in the 90s in college. Yeah, I mean, but like we could have this conversation a month. What if St. Johns goes in the final four? Well, then you're really, it's him and John Wooden. Like coach K and,
Starting point is 00:17:07 there aren't a lot of other people in the conversation at that point. Because he'll have done it. He'll have done it across eras. And across eras part, I think, matters a lot. Because Coach K didn't get to do it in this era. Coach K retired before this era really just, you know, NIL had started when Coach K retired, but barely. So we didn't get to see Coach K or Roy Williams really do it in this era.
Starting point is 00:17:32 This would be incredible to do it in two distinct different eras. And then also he did it at two different rivals where he won the national title. Yeah. Good question. I'm I'm more willing to compare him to Wooden than most people probably because I'm kind of an aerosnob. But even I think you have a legitimate point. Yeah. Like John Wooden, nobody could transfer.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Nobody was going to leave. The reason I think I hold John Wooden up so high because most every coach does. every coach you know has the pyramid of success on the wall. Every coach you know has a book of John Wooden quotes. He's like the coach's coach's favorite coach. And across multiple sports. So that's the only reason why. But the fact that, and I think you're right,
Starting point is 00:18:27 winning in these different eras is much tougher than what he did. There's just more places that are all in town over and over again. Exactly. And I mean, like, listen, it's almost like trying to take down like a legend. Like I'm not trying to do that. Like John Wooden. I just mean like from what I've seen in sports, I wasn't around, you know, when John Wooden was at a peak.
Starting point is 00:18:51 So maybe I would have had a different perspective if I were. But like in modern day sports, like what was St. John's before he showed up? I know that they have historically been a very good program, but they weren't really. They were down firing on all cylinders. And now all of a sudden they're in the top. half of the bracket and it's just like, are they going to make a run? Maybe. And it's just everywhere he goes,
Starting point is 00:19:10 the result is the same. It doesn't matter what the circumstances. It doesn't matter the era. It doesn't matter the geography. The guy just figures it out. And you kind of wonder like if the off court stuff doesn't happen at Louisville. Does he have another national title at Louisville? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Because he lost some years there. Because like he's had to go to places that were down like to get a job because of the off of court stuff. Like if he was. completely he was ionis coach are he yeah i know that that that's the most interesting thing about this is is how he's had to do it but again some of that's of his own doing so he's not like he's he's blameless in this whole part of it but but it is interesting that that's why and how do you do in the greek league he was good he's good he's been good everywhere
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah. So, dude, that's one hell of a, that's one hell of a, can I just do this real quick? Yeah. Coaching career. Hawaii, Syracuse, hell of a move, Boston University, New York Knicks, Providence, New York Knicks, Kentucky, Boston Celtics, Louisville. I can't even pronounce this Greek word, Iona and now St. John's. Starting in 1974. Yeah. Two NCAA tournament finals, seven regional final fours. and a bunch of other regular seasons. He's 73 years old,
Starting point is 00:20:41 and he's still performing at an incredibly high level. Do you know what his career winning percentages in college? I'm looking at it right now. Oh, okay, so you know. Yeah. Oh, no, I'm sorry, looking at St. John's winning percent. What is his college career winning percentage?
Starting point is 00:20:56 Oh, and now I found it. 742. Yeah, it's wild. He's in the NCAA tournament, he's 55 and 22. yeah he'd also got NCAA sanctions against him in 1977 at hawaii so he's been consistent oh oh and producer river points out because we're looking on the website we're looking at i don't know if if they're vacating wins at louisville that would his his 20 percentage actually may be
Starting point is 00:21:24 higher yeah so that is wild oh yeah it won the greek cup in 2019 that's wild there you go Everywhere it goes, he wins. Where do you think the Greek Cup is in his trophy case? You think it's prominently displayed? That's a good question. It's a lot of trophies. A lot of trophies. This gets me even more excited for these games, Ari,
Starting point is 00:21:51 because, again, like, St. John's plays Northern Iowa, which probably in Northern Iowa is one of those, everybody remembers, Ali Farooq Mnash and that team. I was at the Northern Iowa game where they were up 12 against Texas A&M with like a minute to go and ended up losing. This is one of the wildest games I've ever seen in my life. But they play Northern Iowa, St. John's. That is tomorrow. That is Friday.
Starting point is 00:22:19 The winner of that game plays the winner of Kansas and California Baptist. So like Sunday we're going to probably see a Rick Patino, Bill Self, St. John's Kansas game is going to be crazy. me. So. And by the way, St. John's best player, EJ4, Kansas transfer. So storylines on storylines on storylines. All right. All these guys are playing for a chance to get to Indianapolis. We are going to Indianapolis. We already know this. We're going to be in downtown, in the April 4th, that's the day, the semifinals at the Culver's Game Day Hub. If you saw us at the draft with Culver's last year, you know how much fun this is going to be, whether your team makes it Indy or not.
Starting point is 00:23:05 If you happen to be around Indy, come on by. Come on and see us. It's going to be so much fun. But if you can't make it to Indy, enter the Culver's swish-swish dish sweepstakes right now through April 5th for your chance to win $2,500. But yeah, we'll be there with frozen custard. I think there'll probably be some butterburgers too.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Not going to lie, because we're going to make sure. Because Ari and I have already had Culvers delivered to a Culver's event. we'll do that. We're known to do it already. So we will be there and it will be a blast. So join us April 4th in Indianapolis at the Culver's Game Day Hub. And we love Culver's. So make sure you hit a Culver's near you between now and then get some frozen custard, get some butterburgers.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Ari, I may hit Culvers after this show. I'm starving. When we record these, I just, I guess it's so hungry. It's walleye season of Culvers. I know. Don't tell me with a good time. Yeah. Join us, April 4th.
Starting point is 00:24:05 If you can't swish, swish, swish dish sweepstakes, say that five times fast. Gives you a chance to win $2,500. You can enter through April 5th. All right. Back to the mailbag. This is a really interesting one kind of based off March Madness, but it's a football question. And I have actually had this thought before. And so this is from at Texas, BYU on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:24:29 In honor of March Madness, what? if there were a double header or maybe Friday, Saturday set of games at a place like Jerry World featuring a localish team hosting a couple teams that travel well, something like TCU, Nebraska, or Texas A&M, BYU, and fans get a quarter of the stadium. I'd hit that for sure. So I had this thought, Ari, back in 2014, I covered the first game of the season was in Jerry World, and it was Florida State, the defending national champion at the time against Oklahoma State. And my thought was, this would be so much better if it was a double header. It would be so much fun if, say, like Texas, BYU says, like it could have been TCU against,
Starting point is 00:25:12 could have been TCU against another ACC team, TCU, Miami, or could have been TCU against, like, USC, UCLA. Yeah. I would love that. It's like it inspires like another rant from me, maybe not a rant, but I have a weird opinion. Am I like the only person in college football that thinks neutral site games are cool? Like I, I know,
Starting point is 00:25:36 everybody always like shits on, on neutral site games at the beginning of the year. And like, have you noticed too? It's like been really cool, um, to see every single sports writer who covers college football, say during the first round of the college football playoff,
Starting point is 00:25:50 how much better games are on campus. Like, we get it, dude. Campus games are awesome. No, they, like,
Starting point is 00:25:56 there are certain teams that don't get the, the spotlight like that. Like that, Oklahoma State, obviously wonderful home field, like Boone Pick and Stadium is one of the coolest stadiums in the country and the fans are right on top of you. But this could be a chance for them to have, say, you know, a spotlight game against somebody.
Starting point is 00:26:12 And producer River asking at the field to get too torn up between games. Producer River, Jerry World does not play on grass. It's a curve. You don't have to change anything. You can play 900 games on it in a row and it would be fine. Yeah. But here's the thing, though, like you and I went to Virginia Tech, South Carolina in Atlanta last year.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Mm-hmm. That was badass. Would have been a great doubleheader. I just throw Tennessee, Georgia Tech in there before or after it. Like, I get it. You know, college campuses are great and big stadiums of loud, passionate fans. I think it's great. But I also like the feeling and the stage that neutral site indoor games give you.
Starting point is 00:26:50 And, you know, I'm not saying that one is better than the other. I think I would take the campus games over the, obviously, if I had to pick one or the other, but why can't we have both? I don't get so passionate about it. And I also, like, there is this thought process that college football playoff game should all be on campus until the national title game. And it's like, I like the Final Four dome. Oh, I don't.
Starting point is 00:27:14 I think they should be on campus. Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, like, I think it's cool. Well, I've also said I'd be okay with Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, being the permanent semi-finals. I can love with that. But I think that it's cool to advance from your home to go to a bigger stage, to play in the big games. Like, it's like, that's a reward that the team gets.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Yeah, but I don't want to make fans travel like that. I'd rather than be able to enjoy their home field advantage that the team earned. Yeah. But for early season games, and maybe you only want to do a one-off, maybe you don't want to commit to it home and home, but you'd like to play this other team. Like, that's a great way to do it. And what we're talking about is situations where you're probably at least two, of the teams involved in the double header are not
Starting point is 00:28:01 traveling very far, where it may just be a very easy drive for the fan basis. Yeah. And any sort of double header, more football, same building scenario, like I'm all four. And again, it doesn't have to be Alabama, Georgia. It can be two teams that aren't on that stage very often that get to go to a dome or an indoor facility and, you know, have a primetime slot.
Starting point is 00:28:25 And, you know, it'd be. And Atlanta, they'll do a Saturday game. They did a Saturday game and a Sunday game last year. We've seen Atlanta do Friday, Saturday, Sunday, week one. Why not double them up? Yeah. But I also like the Sunday, Monday games, the opening weekend of the season, because it gives you that extended feeling.
Starting point is 00:28:42 So, you know, there's always a game on Sunday night, right, after week one. But say, either Atlanta or Jerry World, so either Mercedes-Benzuela-Ben stadium in or Jerry World. These are two easiest ones. You could do Allegiant Stadium in Vegas. There are a couple ways to do it. But, like, you could have. have Sunday, that first Sunday, because there's no NFL, you're a triple header that day.
Starting point is 00:29:05 You have a game at noon Eastern. You have a game at 3.30 Eastern and a game at 80 Eastern. All on Sunday. I'm all for it. Yeah, noon four eight, like that. Four eight, yeah. That would be so much fun, like the festival of football. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:19 It's like a celebration of the beginning of the year. I'm all for it. That'd be all. Let's do it. Let's do it. I love it. Texas, BYU, thank you for the idea. If you pluck a few teams off of the Saturday slate, it then creates more of a viewing window for teams to be viewed on Saturday and Sunday.
Starting point is 00:29:36 You're not competing with anybody. No, Ari, I'm not going to make you do this right now. We may have to do this at some point in the next few weeks. Have you looked at this week's week once, or this year's week once late? I remember how insane last year's was, but I don't think that. This is the opposite of that. It's God awful. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:00 That's, I feel like I would have known already if it was amazing. Yeah. LSU and Clemson are playing again in Baton Rouge, so Dabo versus Lane. Yeah. I don't think people are giving Clemson much of a chance in that one. But,
Starting point is 00:30:14 but that one's interesting. There's not, because there's not, remember Texas, Ohio State was, was week one last year. It's week two this year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Oklahoma, Michigan was week two last year. It's also week two this year. So there's not that marquee stuff. For week two being awesome, like, because week one's awesome no matter who's playing. How about both of them be awesome? Yeah. How about you guys schedule so they're both awesome?
Starting point is 00:30:38 Quit canceling big time matchups then. So, but like week two is cool because week one, you're already fired up no matter what because football's back. Like, it doesn't matter who's playing. Week one's amazing. And then if you have a buildup to week two, I'm fine with that. And I've never been to Tiger Stadium at night. So hopefully we can make that happen this year.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Maybe we'll have to do that. Yeah. I remember last year there was like a match, like Arch Manning versus Ohio State on the road. It was like the appetizer for the day. Like it was badass. So, but hey,
Starting point is 00:31:10 great idea. I think fans come up with awesome ideas. And the one fourth of the stadium thing is kind of cool too. That way, you know, it's a true neutral site. So if like Texas is playing in Jerry world, they only,
Starting point is 00:31:21 I mean, there's no way to actually control that. I think probably the way you do it from a more realistic perspective. It's 50, 50s two different games. Or you just sell, you sell half the stadium general admission and then a quarter, quarter, quarter, quarter.
Starting point is 00:31:35 Yeah. With the other half. So each gets an eighth of the stadium. And then if more want to come, they can buy those general admission seats. So that way you're full for both games. Because you could buy it like a session at the NCAA tournament where you get two games.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Yeah, but I just want to make sure that I'm on record saying that, uh, neutral site stadium games are awesome. I like them. I like football games, period. I'm happy they play them at all. So that's where we are on that.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Ari, it's now time to talk about Nebraska again. Because our friend Nathan, oh boy, here we go. We saw him, I believe he was at the Parthenon in Athens, asking us a question. He did not send us a video. this time. So I don't know what locale he's in. He's going to ask, is he at the
Starting point is 00:32:28 Great Pyramid of Giza now? He has to say, he just wrote this one in. Before you read this question, though, Andy, I want to say, if it's him saying that I'm expecting too much of his team, I think that's soft. Okay. Well, I'll read it and then you can respond. Okay. So this is from Nathan. Dear Andy, you guys
Starting point is 00:32:44 wanted us fans to respond to your takes on what is success. As a Nebraska fan, I can tell you that Ari is smoking crack. Will there be outspoken Will we be outspoken critics in the fan base if we don't go 10 and 2? Yes. There are also people who still want Ryan Day fired. Some people are just idiots.
Starting point is 00:33:01 The average fan would be satisfied with 8 and 4, which I believe is what I said, especially against this schedule. 7 and 5 and the grumbling really starts. 6 and 6 and people will be out. I think most of us were a bit surprised by the Matt Rule extension when it happened, and it might prove to have been a really bad choice. But we aren't quite there yet, and I think as long as he gets to 8 wins without any absolute blood,
Starting point is 00:33:22 bloodbaths that make us look like a group of five team. I think the fan base will find ways to stay optimistic about his tenure. So we go back to the other day. Ari said they need to be 10 and 2. That's success. I said, no, no. Success is probably 8 and 4 because that's better than they've been under mat rules.
Starting point is 00:33:40 In fairness, I did come down a little bit. I did come down a little bit. But you came out of the shoot with 10 and 2. And I was like, what are you talking about? 10 and 2 is different. That's why. like eight and four is different from what they've experienced yeah i this is when i struggle with too andy because i think that there are like the way that i analyze and view the sport has been greatly impacted by
Starting point is 00:34:04 where i began my career um and i wonder like if i was a beat writer for peru for three years and then went to cover ohio state for seven instead of all 10 ohio state if my perspective would be a little bit different i generally don't really think there's a huge difference between seven and five and eight and four now against the schedule maybe there is because that means you want an extra game that was a really tough game. But like in terms of like what gets the juices flowing. If you beat. I think Nathan makes a pretty key point in there.
Starting point is 00:34:32 And that is eight wins with no blood baths that make them look like a G5 team, which if you look at that schedule, to get to eight wins and to be respectable in every game means you are a pretty darn good team. Because remember, they've got to play Indiana, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Ohio State, and Iowa. So they're going to have to be good to get to eight and four against that schedule. Well, here's the thing. Pretty good to be respectable in all those games.
Starting point is 00:35:01 If you are respectable in all those games, that means you shouldn't be that fired up by like the idea that nine and three is on the table. You know, if you're playing a one possession game with Oregon and Ohio State, that means you're a really good team. Well, they haven't seen that yet from this program in a long time. So you have to remember that they're, they're not there yet, Ari. You're putting the card ahead of the horse.
Starting point is 00:35:24 You mean they're not there yet? Bro, do you remember? They were like tearing my ass apart when I said Dylan Rayola wasn't the best quarterback in the Big Ten. Yeah, but now they agree with you. I know, but I'm saying like, what do you mean you're not there yet? Where were we last summer? Are you high?
Starting point is 00:35:38 Listen, they get a lot of sunshine pumped. A lot. Because that's the thing. Now, they've got Nebraska ball this year. They got a really good men's basketball program at Nebraska. they're a four seat in this tournament. So they might actually, oh, well,
Starting point is 00:35:56 if we clip this as a separate and run this, they might not be in the tournament anymore. So there's that. We're going to assume their win as a 13-point favorite. Well, but I'm talking about if somebody's watching this next week. So they might not win in the round of 32. Possibly, for Huskers.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Well, that would give them two more wins in the NCAA tournament than they've had in their history. So that's good. I just don't want to hear that they're not there yet. They've been there. They're not there yet, Ari. They're not. Their behavior was very interesting last summer for a fan base.
Starting point is 00:36:29 That wasn't ready to be a good team. You called their coach soft. But I think that they, I know. I said what he said was soft. And as you listen to my stuff, Andy, you'll know that I say that quite a bit. So it wasn't that unique. Yeah, but they did not take that lying down.
Starting point is 00:36:46 And I don't blame. You're getting all the year three, Matt rule over the hump discussions we have. last summer? Okay. I am not forgetting that. It didn't happen. So now they have to adjust their expectations. Yeah. Also, they just extended him for a long, long time.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Yeah. Also, like, this isn't like an anti-mat rule thought process, but like, also, you have to look at what they did from a roster perspective in the offseason and be realistic about it. So, like, I understand, like, they're already bracing for impact. It's like, you see
Starting point is 00:37:16 the car accident coming. You put your hand over your head. You know, like, I, and this is, and this is, and This is why I think you can't go into this if you're them saying that I'm not going to be happy unless they're 10 and 2. You need to find some happiness elsewhere because 10 and 2 is going to be really hard to get to. You need to find a way to be happy at 8 and 4. Yeah. Like we're also forgetting the like entire preamble to this, which is like the gray area where there's a difference between success and failure. Like there is like a high, there's like a middle ground there of like, okay, I guess that's acceptable.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Yeah. Yeah, because there's even a version of 7 and 5 where you're not, you're not off a cliff at 7 and 5 if they were close in some of these other games. What year is this in his tenure? Is this year 4 now? This is year 4 for him, yeah. Yeah. At a certain point, like, you have to go from, well, 7 and 5, that's a good building blocked, like actually just doing something. Like, and I think that year 4. Yeah, and I think like we're, aren't we there with Lincoln Riley in year 5 at USC?
Starting point is 00:38:11 We've been, I feel like we've been more critical and set our expectations higher because. hey, it's year five. Like you're just, you're supposed to be further along at this point. And yeah, but it's like they did win nine games last year. I'm smoking crack, but maybe I was high on the supply of
Starting point is 00:38:29 Nebraska is one of the most advantageous places to transfer to. And Matt Ruhl has gotten his teams over the hump and built three college pro or two college programs already. And Dylan Rayola is the greatest quarterback in the entire world and all the different things that all the sales points that I've heard about Nebraska and how they're going to be good. Like this isn't a nine year.
Starting point is 00:38:47 build. Like if it actually is a place that has one of the best fan bases in the most robust NIL situations that you can, amazing facilities, I've seen them myself. Think about what we say all the time about college football. This isn't a four year build anymore. So like for me, it's like seven and five, eight and four. Yeah, sure, I can see the sliver of like positivity that you could bring from that. But when the hell did we get to this is a five year process? Oh, they're not ready yet. When they when they stopped winning double digit games every year, which was a long time ago. I know, but every single program that has Nebraska's
Starting point is 00:39:21 history and Nebraska's expectations is not signing up for a five-year build in the NIL era, period. At some point, you've got to be somewhat realistic. These people have been beaten down year after year after year after year after year. And so if you pump up, pump it up saying
Starting point is 00:39:39 you can only be happy if you make the playoff, you're setting them up to be disappointed. Yeah. And that's been my criticism of the way Nebraska is handled every offseason by us is we pump a lot of sunshine. And I think the fans who have gotten more and more suspicious as the years have gone on. But eventually you get enough sunshine pumped. You're like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:40:11 I'm starting to believe that. Starting to feel good about that. And then it just comes crashing down. I think going into it with more realistic expectations, and then if you do make the playoff and you go 10 and 2, then you can be deliriously happy. Then it's like, all right, this is what I've been praying for.
Starting point is 00:40:29 They lost their three best players last year, right? Three best. And Emmett Johnson are all gone, right? I think so. Yeah, they are. So, you know, I just like, like they didn't get it done last year. They lost their best players.
Starting point is 00:40:49 And, oh, I'm it. Yeah. Emma Johnson's gone, isn't he? He's in the NFL. Yeah, or he's got the NFL. So look. Who are there?
Starting point is 00:41:00 I'm like looking at there too deep. Who are we excited about right now? It's like old school college footballists. You don't know who. And look, you look at everybody's too deep. Other than the usual suspects, the Ohio states and the Georgia's, you don't know who's going to be good. They do have a former five-star prospect that's a D-N right now.
Starting point is 00:41:20 Williams-Nuary. Yeah, he was there last year, too. I know, but I guess you could be excited. Anthony Calandria comes in and play quarterback. He was super fun to watch it at Virginia and then got pretty consistently good. We're playing for Dan Mullen at UNLV. Well, let me just say one last thing and then we can go on to the next thing. If you are a Nebraska fan that relentlessly gave me shit last year and now you're on Andy's side,
Starting point is 00:41:43 let me give you one of those thumbs-ups and then we can move on to the next thing. I don't think they were off my side. I think they agreed with me last week. No, I know. If you're one of these people of like seven and five, eight and four, let's go. Like,
Starting point is 00:42:00 okay, got it. What are they supposed to feel? What are they supposed to think? I do think like covering Ohio State for as long as you did, poisoned your brain. Covering Ohio State for as long as you did completely poison your brain. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:42:14 maybe I would be upset. If you don't win a national title, you failed. Like, oh, Well, here, let me just do one last thing. Let me ask you this. If you told Nebraska the hour after Matt rules news conference,
Starting point is 00:42:30 introductory news conference that going into year four, you'll be hopeful for seven and five or eight and four, what do you think they would have said? They would have been very depressed. But you got to deal with reality on reality's terms. And that's where they're at. Because I'm not saying don't hope for 10 and 2. I'm saying hope for 8 and 4 and if you get 10 and 2 then that's gravy.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Yeah. That's amazing. But don't set yourself up saying I'm not going to be happy unless this team goes to the freaking playoff because that is asking a lot. Yeah. And to be clear, I don't think they will. That was like my standard of back. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:11 But see, that's why I didn't understand why you kept saying the 10 and 2. And you did in your in your defense, you did come down a little bit on that. Once you flash the schedule up there, I was like, okay, they're probably not going to go 10 and 2. But like, I just mean like, don't you want by year four to see some real leaps forward? And I don't believe that eight and four would be that. But maybe if they play a one touchdown game with Ohio State, Indiana, and Oregon and beat Illinois and Washington, like that is a major improvement. And I was wrong. They did play a one touchdown game against Ohio State the year Ohio State won the national title.
Starting point is 00:43:44 So it's not like it's out of the question. It's just, it will be hard. I mean, you look at the way it breaks out. It's a lot of really good teams in a row. But this is exactly what we're kind of hoping for, too, with this series. Because it's another way to revisit it from a fan perspective. Like, we are going to be doing all offseason. What is success for a program?
Starting point is 00:44:07 And if Andy and I disagree or we both say something that's different and you want to weigh in, we will review what you have to say and give you your point of view an opportunity to see the light of day. So thank you for writing that in. And, you know, I don't know that I've, you know, I think I changed my mind towards the end of the original segment. I think I'm probably more reasonable to like maybe nine and three or eight and four. But then I just saying it out loud makes me disgusted. So like I just like it's again, buck eye brain.
Starting point is 00:44:35 Bucket brain. You suffer from buck eye brain. That's all it is. But I think Nathan's right. And I think Nathan explained it very well where like, yeah, seven and five, you're probably not happy. six and six you're definitely not six and six you're probably out so improvement must be shown must be shown rie let's have a bonus what defines success for a program our friend rob
Starting point is 00:45:04 wrote in curious on your thoughts for a team like cincinnati and what is a successful season the fan base is out on scott satter's field so the worst case scenario is likely seven and five or even in four since he may keep his job. I think a truly successful season is at a minimum nine wins, maybe even playing for the Big 12 championship. I think most fans are honestly okay with a four-win year, which will result in a new coach. The question will be how invested is Cincinnati in football? Are they 110% in?
Starting point is 00:45:34 Or are they like Wisconsin last year, which was kind of fully invested, but could still do more? So this is a really interesting situation where the way Rob puts it, the fan base is out, would like to see a new coach. And we talk about this with Florida State. And this frustrates me because I don't want to see people rooting against their team. That bothers me. And I know how this usually works. And I think we've seen this plenty of times where fans want to see a coaching change.
Starting point is 00:46:06 But when it comes down to it, when their team starts to play, they can't root against them. And I'm glad that that's the case. I want you to always want to root for your team. as far as this goes, I thought Scott Satterfield was back against the wall and had a pretty good year last year. But it wasn't what Cincinnati fans were used to. I think that's, this is one of the harder things about conference realignment because other than the Tommy Tuberville years, like Cincinnati has been good for most of our adult lives. It is interesting because it was maybe the most successful G5 program or the most consistent outside of Boise. for the course of the past 15 years,
Starting point is 00:46:47 and they were the cradle of some pretty important coaches that went on to do some big things, obviously with Brian Kelly and Marcus Freeman coach there. Like they've had some pretty big years. They were the first G5 team to make the four team field, all these things. And then there's a question of like, now that you're in the power five,
Starting point is 00:47:06 which is the thing that you've been craving. I remember covering a game down there, Cincinnati. And I don't remember. I was that nipper with Landis, like in 2015, 16, 17, one of those years when they were one of the potential Big 12, where they had their eyes on the Big 12. Yeah, they were trying to get in for a long time.
Starting point is 00:47:23 They were playing a Friday night game against somebody, and it was a pretty big game, and the place was rocking, and I wrote a story of like, here's what it would look like if Cincinnati were in the Big 12 type of deal. But it's like when you move up a level and you start playing against teams that were moving, and some of the teams moved up with you, like Houston, for instance,
Starting point is 00:47:40 you're playing against teams that have had more robust incomes, and are more used to playing at this level. And we're talking about the Kansas states and the Iowa states. And the Arizona states and the Baylars and the West Virginia's. These are, you know, Utah is a great example for this one. Utah is an interesting example too, because Utah moved up from the Mountain West to the Pact 12. And they did wind up being the best team in the league. They won the league two of the last three years the league existed in that state.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Yeah. West Virginia is probably a more accurate comparison to Cincinnati, though, because West Virginia in the Big East was really, really good, consistently good. And then they get to the Big 12, and what's the best year they had, 2018, where they had a game against Oklahoma at the end of the season. If they win, they go to the Big 12 championship game, and they couldn't win. And I remember walking out of that stadium, hearing all the people saying that Dana Holgerson's got to go,
Starting point is 00:48:41 and I'm thinking, yeah, Dana Holgerson's got to go, but not in the way you think. Like, he needs to just leave because these people are going to fire his ass for not being able to win in a very hard place to win. And he got him as far as they might be able to go in the Big 12. Yeah, circumstances in the sport changed around them. Like West Virginia was very good during those early Rich Ride years because they also were running a system that was unique and different. And they're in the Big East. But, yeah, and like, I don't know if like their arrival in the Big 12 is the reason why,
Starting point is 00:49:12 because that conference was too hard for them to compete in. they're also geographically unfit for where they were. So like they don't fit in to the general, you know, footprint of the talent disbursement. But neither to Cincinnati. No, I know, but I'm saying like during the traditional times before NIL was a thing, that was a bigger challenge than it is now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Oh, like, there was part of that too. But like with Cincinnati, it's kind of like what are reasonable expectations for program placement in the Big 12? And if your thought processes somewhere between five, six, 4 area, like in the middle of it, then like you are getting that right now. So like, and if you think that you should run the conference, well, I got a news for you. There's a lot of programs here that have been winning at a high level at the higher level for a longer period of time that still remain in the Big 12th in Cincinnati.
Starting point is 00:50:00 So like I have a hard time answering this question, Andy, because I'm not a Cincinnati fan, but you just lost your best player. And Brendan Soresby goes to Texas Tech, who by the way, you have to play. He's coming to Nippert. Yeah. on October 24th. And this is a program in your conference that is shelling out more money than you could conceivably afford.
Starting point is 00:50:20 This is a tough back half of the schedule. This is a tough end of your big 12 schedule. So that stretch begins with Texas Tech. Then they play Utah. They're at Houston. Houston's going to be good this year, guys. I'm telling you right now, Willie Fritz knows what he's doing,
Starting point is 00:50:36 has a better roster than he had last year, and they were good last year. We'll see with Iowa State, with Matt Campbell leaving and Jimmy Rogers coming in. It's Iowa State and Colorado, we don't know about it. BYU is going to be good and you got to go to Provo. The interesting thing about the Big 12, and, you know, it's kind of been this way since Texas and OU left. But the Big 12 is like the Mac of the Powers where like you have a lot of programs that have a lot of pride and a lot of,
Starting point is 00:51:01 but they all recruit the same general areas and they're all kind of similar in a certain respect. Like tell me like the biggest conceivable difference between like Iowa State and Baylor. or, you know, Iowa State and Kansas and some of these things. Now, obviously, success is varied at these places. But, like, for the most part, like, if you are a four-star or a three-star prospect and you're visiting Baylor and then Iowa State, like, what's the biggest conceivable difference between those two things from a player standpoint? Like, they're both pretty solid brands that we're aware of.
Starting point is 00:51:31 But they, this is the whole Big 12 discussion that we had at Big 12 Media Day last year, which teams are going to rise up and grab the conference by the horns? And it looks like right now, obviously, from a financial perspective, of the Texas Tech is that. But like if you're a Cincinnati fan, you go, well, why not us? I think that's a reasonable question because I think that's being.
Starting point is 00:51:49 But I suspect BYU can do that. I think Utah's probably going to continue to be good. I think TCU is going to have really good years. I told you Houston's one you got to worry about. And you can make a sales pitch for every single team in this. Colin Klein's back in K-State. There is, this is a hard league, I think is what I'm trying to say. And now, it's interesting, though.
Starting point is 00:52:11 It's a hard league because they're all relative, peers. Like, that's the thing. There's no lines of demarcation between elite and not elite. It's- And Robb's question is interesting. So you lose Brennan Sorbsby, you bring in J.C. French,
Starting point is 00:52:22 who comes in from Georgia Southern. He's the all-time leading pastor in Georgia's Southern history, which the folks who know what they have played in Statesboro for decades, understand that, like, it's saying something, but it's also a program that spent most of its history as a triple option team. So since Clay Hill, has been there. They've chucked the ball around quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:52:44 But they like J.C. French. They're excited about him at Cincinnati. They think he's going to be good. They did a good job with Brendan Sorsby when they brought him in from Indiana and turned him into one of the best quarterbacks in the Big 12 who became probably the biggest free agent quarterback in the offseason. So Satterfield is a good quarterback coach historically. I just, so what is success? This is the part where, like, I, I, struggle with this. If Rob is right about how most fans feel, if they feel like they want to change, if Satterfield has a good year,
Starting point is 00:53:22 quote unquote, good, then I don't know that they get what they want because they probably sit there at eight and four and yeah, they're going to bring him back. Yeah. I mean, but I think eight and four in a reasonable year. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Should you be expecting more than that? I don't think you should be expecting more than that. Yeah. How many people be happy when you win eight games. And there will be seasons where you win more than eight. But I think that should make you fairly happy because you wanted this bigger challenge of a league. You wanted to be in a power league. Guess what?
Starting point is 00:53:56 It's harder to win every year in a power league. That's part of the deal. Especially when the power league that you end up with is filled with a bunch of teams that are very similar cross sections of, are we going to be elite, are we going to be good? Are we going to be bad? Like everybody's trying, like, Brett, your mark. the conference commissioner is trying every single thing he can to keep the Big 12 relevant all the way down to digital courts. This is March.
Starting point is 00:54:19 But like the thing that is interesting about it is that the programs in the conference are also mirroring, mirroring the conference commissioner's behavior, which is what can we do individually to set ourselves apart from the other peers in our league and how can we do it? Texas Tech has their idea of how to do it. BYU has their idea of how to do it. Houston is with a veteran coach that has won a lot of games at a lot of places. that's their route. Everybody's trying to do it. Like what's Cincinnati's plan?
Starting point is 00:54:46 And I don't know that Cincinnati has the sugar daddy potential. Like Texas Tech, we know who Cody Campbell is. We know what he's doing. Urban Meyerty. You has that potential. Like, BYU has several donors that have that capability. We don't know about the other ones. Wait, you're telling me that Taylor Swift money isn't putting over here?
Starting point is 00:55:07 Come on, let's go. We're getting what they're... Do you think Taylor, like, is going to let Travis just access the bank account? I think this is the inverse of the Larry Ellison situation, yes. Oh, okay. So when Travis is like, hey, listen, we're going to need a quarterback this year. I'm just saying. Taylor.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Cincinnati has an indirect connection to one of the most famous and richest human beings on the face of the earth. So let's not close the boat. All right. So I love that we're comparing Travis Kelsey future Hall of Fame tight end to Larry Ellison's wife, who's the giant Michigan fan. But we're just talking about money here. We're not talking about accomplishment. Okay. That's true.
Starting point is 00:55:44 I think that you can make the case, in my opinion, that Travis Kelsey was better in his field than that Taylor Swift is at hers. Do you want to do that? I would disagree with that. You don't think he's one of the three greatest players that ever played his position. So, okay. She is,
Starting point is 00:55:58 she is in a time when there's no monoculture, the one entertainer that everybody on the on earth recognizes. It's harder to do, do it in this era than it was when Michael Jackson. Jackson and Madonna did it. I know, but she also started before this era was this era. Jay D. probably is there, and he hasn't made it a good album in like 10 years. I think what she's done is pretty hard.
Starting point is 00:56:29 You know, and you're talking about tight ends. I think more accurate would be, where does Travis Kelsey rank in the pantheon of football players? He's a Hall of Famer, I would think. Yeah, there's a lot of Hall of Famers. Taylor Swift's going to be a Hall of Famer, too. Yeah. I just don't get it. I've never been a Swifty.
Starting point is 00:56:48 So, like, I just don't understand. That's your fault. When your daughter's older, you'll understand. I know. I can't wait to listen to songs about breakups. It's going to be right. She's happy now. Dude, if they get divorced, dude, that album's going to hit like crack, dude.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Oh, stop it. Let them have some happiness. Ari, let them have some happiness. And Cincinnati fans, I would say hope for happiness. Don't be mad if you win a. eight games because it means Scott Satterfield is staying. It's probably not easy to win eight games in this environment at Cincinnati. You're not in the American anymore.
Starting point is 00:57:27 It's harder to win. So if you've got to coach, you can win eight games in the Big 12. That also means you might have a coaching win 10 games in the Big 12. If you go four and eight, five and seven, whatever, do what you got to do. But don't sit there and be disappointed if you have an eight win season because it's not the coach you'd prefer because maybe he'll become the coach you prefer. Yeah, that's the thing that makes no sense about the rooting to lose so we can change our coach. Well, it's like if you root to win and then you win, then you don't need to worry about
Starting point is 00:57:58 getting a new coach because your coach is a winner. Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. Like, if you can consistently win seven or eight games in the big in the big 12, there's a good chance you're going to have the every occasional year that you do win 10. And I say you roll with that because it's hard though. I get it. I watch this with West Virginia fans too.
Starting point is 00:58:21 When you are used to winning double-digit games pretty frequently, it is a massive culture shock when you don't. But this is what you wanted. This is what you asked for. It's just harder now. So good luck. And be happy. If you win eight games, be happy.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Don't be mad about that. all right it's time let's go watch some basketball everybody watch some basketball we will talk to you live at 10 a m eastern on friday breaking down everything that happened thursday getting you ready for everything on friday it's one of the most wonderful sports days of the year let's all go watch some

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