Andy & Ari On3 - LIVE REACTION to the first College Football Playoff rankings of 2024

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

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Welcome to Andy and Ari on three special edition first college football playoff rankings reveal of 2024. We're doing this again because our audio stunk on the first one. So we're trying again. So hopefully you guys can hear us. Let us know in the chat if we're sounding better than we sounded the first time they have now stopped explaining how the college football playoff works and there are now actually getting into the rankings. So let's do that right now. Ari number 25 Army, 24 Missouri, 23

Clemson, 22 Louisville, 21 Washington State and 20 Colorado. Only one team in that bunch really still in striking distance of the actual playoff and that's Colorado. And I think now we're about to get into striking distance of the actual playoff and that's Colorado. And I think now we're about to get into the bunch of the big 12 teams and the ACC teams right here, which is like the next four out portion of the bubble watch where you have a bunch of teams that are going to be seven and two, seven and one teams that aren't really in pole position at the moment, but can play their way back into things. Yeah. And we just had, so as you said that, K-State at 19, Pitt at 18. So there's your big 12 at ECC.

And now Iowa State at 17. It's gonna be... There it is, yep. Yeah, we're gonna be seeing that right now and this is exactly where you anticipate these teams to be. And then of course here, Ole Miss, Andy, the game that we're gonna be going to on Saturday

together at 16 and Ole Miss has a chance to not only just win a game but probably jump not only to 10 but into the into the top 10 if they were to win on Saturday. Yeah that's the thing Ole Miss if they win Saturday now they're not out of the woods because they still got to keep winning they would have to play Florida and Mississippi State after that but they would be in much better shape. And even if they, I mean, I would think they'd be in the top 12 next week if they beat Georgia,

but even if they weren't, I think they'd probably find their way into it by the end. I don't think there's any scenario on earth where Ole Miss isn't firmly in the top 10 if they were to win on Saturday. But you know, that's it. And LSU checks in at number 15 and they're kind of in the same exact scenario as Ole Miss. They're not playing Georgia, they're playing Alabama this weekend. And that's the big time SEC

doubleheader banger that we're going to get on Saturday that will probably eliminate two or one of the three of those four teams. I think Georgia if they lose would still be in the thick of things. So of the three of those four teams. I think Georgia if they lose would still be in the thick of things. So yeah now Georgia would play Tennessee next week so they really don't want to lose. It would it would really be bad if they lost this week because that puts you in a must-win against Tennessee. But yeah this is this is interesting because you have the the two teams that we we think are in elimination This is interesting because you have the two teams that we think are in elimination, do or die mode right now in Ole Miss and LSU. Like, okay, we don't know where George is going to get slotted here, but we think they're going to be what?

Three or two, right? Oh, they're actually, Andy, they're doing, yeah, I do think they're gonna be three if I had to guess in this in this show. I think Ohio State will be to Oregon will be doing it in the bracket. They're doing it in the bracket team out a and M which means Boise States in the top 12. Right. For anybody that was following along on our show earlier today talking about the Indiana SMU debate, I think that basically settles it. Because you know, you have Indiana also that's going to be in the top 12 here, obviously, as an undefeated team, but there's probably not going to be much of a discussion from a head-to-head standpoint if Indiana has one loss at the end of the year. Unless SMU wins out, of course. Yeah, and the SMU thing is, we've talked about this a few times,

Boise stayed at 12. So in this case, they're not raising Boise State up as the fifth highest ranked champ. They would be, if they were the conference champ and ranked here, they would just be in at 12 and they'd be the actual 12 seat And then Alabama checking in at number 11, which is I think fair right? I thought there was a chance maybe they'd be seven or eight but 11 sounds about right to me Well, and and this is not the Alabama team of the Saban area We've seen that we saw it with the Vandy game. We saw it with the South Carolina game We saw it with the Tennessee game like, we saw it with the South Carolina game. We saw it with the Tennessee game. Like this team is not the same thing. They're not the death star that they were before.

So this feels about right. Like they got to win their way in. They got to win in Baton Rouge this weekend, or they're probably what they're for. Do you think they flip places with LSU? Yes. Yeah. I think that's the case. Whoever wins that game, like Alabama's playing for the right to stay there. I don't

know how much they would jump up. Because at that point, LSU would be a three-loss team, and that's not going to be a, you know, a win that you hang your hat on. Notre Dame checking in at No. 10. Yeah, which is about where we thought they'd be. They just got to keep winning. Like if they keep winning. I don't know that they can rise much higher Ari. I think 10, 9. Like they got to hope somebody loses ahead of them to get a home game.

Yeah. The discussion with Notre Dame is interesting because I wondered if A&M kept winning if Notre Dame could potentially sneak in as a two loss team, but that doesn't look too promising right here at number 10. Oh, okay. BYU is your highest ranked big 12 team. So they've made them the four seed.

This is great. Number nine team in a way that people can understand so that they can just like actually visualize how this works. Yeah, BYU is nine, which means Indiana is going to be in the top eight Andy. What a world we're living in, huh? That's right. Indiana's got a home game as long as they keep this up. Now if they beat Ohio State, they're going to the big twin championship game.

So then you're talking about some crazy stuff there, but Indiana's in a good spot. Are we thinking Indiana's the next team we're going to see? I'm thinking that Indiana is going to be the next team we see, but I am also here for the chaos. Yeah, there we go. Indiana's nine. So that's the right thing. And Indiana's the number eight team's, that's the right thing.

And Indiana's the number 18, the number nine seed. Yes. No, but what I was going to say is like, that means that Tennessee is ranked ahead of them and I don't know if that's just, but that's the power of beating Alabama. Right. Like, and there's your committee's first acknowledgement, Andy, that big wins matter more than losses because they've already ranked a team that has lost a game to a pretty inferior opponent, but has a win over Alabama ahead of an Indiana team that's blown everybody out all year. Like that's a pretty telling thing.

And Indiana is only going to get one chance at a big win. That's going to be Ohio State. Like they don't get another chance. There's nobody else on the schedule that's going to work that way. So this is this is going to be very interesting. Does that bother you seeing Indiana behind Tennessee? Not really, because they're going to play. Now, I guess if this is going to give Tennessee a whole, is Indiana going to,

I guess if this is the difference between playing in Knoxville or Bloomington, but I see I'm not worried about that because Tennessee is still going to play Georgia. Like either Tennessee is going to earn its way above Indiana. Oh, there it is. Yeah.

So there's your game at Neyland Stadium versus in Bloomington. But if Tennessee loses to Georgia, then they're not going to be ranked ahead at Indiana. But if we have to like talk about the importance of seating, that's a pretty big switch. Playing in Neyland and playing in Bloomington is a huge difference in that in that matchup. It is. But again, this is not taking into account what has to happen. But well, I guess they both may lose another game.

Yeah, it's a starting point from right now. This right now means that the committee is more impressed with what Tennessee has done to date than Indiana. And who do you think's had a more impressive year? Well, Indiana probably. But who's resume is better? Tennessee's. Do you think that the loss to? The loss should cancel out the win the loss to Arkansas like I guess we have to see what else happens to Arkansas, because Arkansas has looked bad

against LSU and against Ole Miss. They did not look bad before. They look like a team that was was capable of challenging years where it gets inconsistent Andy, because now you have Penn State at number six and they have a loss and haven't beaten anybody in there ahead of both Indiana and Tennessee.

Explain that one. There's your issue if you coach SIGS. Now at this point, like Penn State's not gonna have any more chances to do anything else. There's, okay, so there's Texas as the sixth seed, the number five team, which means you've got three conference champs in your top four, which makes sense. See I'm like, I am annoyed by that ranking. I already tweeted.

That's how good of a multitasker I am. That's amazing. I'm impressed. Penn State being ahead of Indiana is absolute bullshit. Like that is just like, there's no, what are you gonna say right now that's gonna rationalize that? There's not really a good way to do it.

Penn State has no wins, they have no wins that Indiana doesn't have and a loss. Now Indiana might join them. And then at the end, if Indiana has a loss, then you can put Penn State ahead. But in the time being, this should be flipped. If anything, I think that Indiana should be six and Penn State should be flipped. If anything, I think that Indiana should be six and Penn State should be eight.

Well, I would be fine with that. Now I do wonder when Indiana plays Ohio State and they have the game to compare, like if they're both equally close, like don't you have to put Indiana above Penn State at that point? But the thing with Indiana is, and like this is probably what I'm gonna end up doing right after we're done here, but like the thing that Penn State fans are most, or not Penn State, Indiana fans are most sensitive about, and maybe rightfully so, is that they are gonna have things go against them

because of the logo on their helmet. And we, as college football playoff protectors, are the ones saying, hey, no, they look at all the rankings and they look at all the stats and the statistics and whatever that song was that you sung to me earlier, and they get that right. That's a straight, that's just straight wrong, dude. Like that's like, there's the time if you want to be well it'll work itself out in the long run person that's fine but in the moment well indiana has done more than i don't think it's gonna work itself out because penn state has a loss to ohio state

and is ranked ahead of indiana though neither of them have really beaten anybody and then indiana gets a loss to Ohio State. Then Indiana is going to get knocked down further when they now that should they like Ohio State is going to be number two. We know that now. So they're going to be the they're going to be the two seed that will be the five. I'm sorry, The five seed number two in the true ranking. So you would think Indiana, if they lose by seven to Ohio State would not drop it all. But like how bad would that be if they dropped Indiana, but don't punish Penn State similarly? Yeah. Man, I'm like irked by that. I don't know why. I just thought that wouldn't hit me in the plums, man. Well, it's not a, you're not wrong because it is a pure logo. Well,

lack of logo for Penn State. But yeah, yeah, lack of logo. Yeah, again, at the end of the year, if you want to come to the conclusion that Penn State is better than Indiana, when the resumes are complete and they both have a hypothetical loss to Ohio State, that's fine. But if Penn State and Indiana played, I think Indiana would be favored. Indiana has not lost yet. Penn State has no quality wins that Indiana does not have. What is the justification for doing that? And like, you want to see consistency in these in the line of thinking. And I know that they do this in a group by group setting. And I don't know if the committee is rewarding Penn State for playing Ohio State within a touchdown. But like Penn State does not have if that happens in Indiana plays Ohio State within six or seven or eight like.

Yeah, at the end of the road, dead even at the end of the road, if you want to say we think Penn State's better, if we think they would beat each other when you have all the context, but in the incomplete context world, there is no argument for Penn State, none. argument for Penn State. None. Not so Ohio State gets the magic five seed spot. That's that's the one we said is is the is the catbird seat. So Ohio State in this version of the ranking would play Boise State first in Columbus and then they would go play BYU in the fiesta bowl. That's called the lottery right there. That's called hitting the lottery. Now the thing that we have to make sure that people understand here, Andy, and people who listen to the show are smart,

so they know, but I'm gonna say it anyway. What we do on Sundays is a projection of what we think it's going to look like at the end. This is what it would look like if the season ended today. So there is a difference between what we have here and what we're going to get, right? Like, cause like there are things that are in this bracket that haven't worked themselves out yet.

So like we are, we're still in the process of coming to that conclusion, but this is not what it will look like at the end, obviously. Yeah. So Alabama's going to Austin. Notre Dame is going to state college. If it works out this way. Indiana's got to go to Neyland stadium. Yeah. The Indiana Penn state thing is, is truly befuddling.

Like the Tennessee thing you might be able to make a case for because Tennessee's beaten one of the teams that they've got in the bracket right now. Yeah. But, but neither Indiana nor Penn state have Penn state has played one of them in lost to it and Indiana hasn't played one of them yet. Yeah. I got to say like comparing our bracket ologies to what we have here. Like we're doing a pretty good job with this, Andy.

We are. I had Miami ahead of Georgia in the most recent one. And I like the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure if Georgia is gonna gonna drop one of the next two. Yeah. I mean, they could drop it on Saturday. Yeah, exactly.

This is gonna be a lot of fun though. Like, if this were how it worked out, I do like them, I do like the matchups. Like, Indiana going to Neyland would be a very fun game. Notre Dame going to Penn State is a classic lack-of-logo helmet matchup. Alabama at Texas, two SEC teams that didn't play. Now maybe they there's still a path for them to meet in Atlanta. But I would hope they don't actually do that before they got to play in the playoff because I'd rather see them play for the first time in the playoff. Yeah, I mean, the bracket looks great. And hey, look at that.

How do we do that so quickly? We got a talented producer, Andy. Look at that. Oh, yeah. Well, the graphics team and producer river, they don't sleep. They don't ride it. They're always ready.

They stay ready so they don't have to get ready. So who has the toughest path in this one? What's the highest ranked team with the toughest path? The highest ranked team with the toughest path is Texas. Yeah. Well, okay. What is it? It's not Miami.

Well, Miami doesn't have to play a game against Alabama. I guess that's true. I guess that's true. Texas has to beat Alabama for the right to play in the game. With the toughest potential matchup in the second round. Yeah. But if you look at the difference between being six and, I mean, I don't know, six and eight, I think I might rather play Oregon than Miami and Bama or Texas and Miami. Those are two, Oregon's going to be a tough game and you're gonna eventually have to play somebody

really good, you know. Even if you get past Oregon, you're probably playing Ohio State. And then you're playing Oregon on the way. So like, if Alabama or Texas were to run it all the way, they'd have to play Texas or Alabama, then they'd have to play Miami and then likely would have to play Georgia

before getting to the final. Ohio State would have the easiest path into the semis because Ohio State at five and they're actually the number two ranked team in this ranking if we if we have the actual full list there but Ohio State is the number two team they're in the five spot they would play two teams that are ranked lower than them and this is what we've been trying to tell everybody, but. Boise State is ranked 12th and they are the 12 seed, which is good there. BYU is ranked 9th, but they're the four seed because they would be the big 12 champion in this situation. So

Ohio State would get to play two lower ranked teams to get into the semis. Meanwhile, Oregon has to play the winner of Indiana, Tennessee, which is a much harder game. Yeah, you want to talk about how hard it would be to win a national championship. Holy shit. This is hard. Like, I mean, yes, except, you know, being the sixth seed is just absolutely brutal because you would hope that the way it would turn out is that you don't have to play like Alabama. And look guys, we know that Alabama isn't

Alabama of the past, but Alabama is still a really tough out in this setting. Like that's not an easy game for anybody. That wouldn't be an easy game for Georgia. You know what I mean? Like we're and remember like it's it's Alabama here. The fact of the matter is it could be Alabama LSU. It could be Ole Miss, depending on how things go. Like those teams are still in the hunt too. Yeah. Don't don't get hung up on this and think this is, this is the final. It's not.

Here's a, here's another thing that you have to consider too, Andy. And I ran into this because I put Ohio State in my five on Sunday. I think you did too, right? I can't remember. I did. In the five seed, yes. So if you put Ohio State in the five,

you have Ohio State being 10 and two with wins over Indiana and Penn State, but two losses to Oregon. Do you think that puts them at five? Yes. I also think, and this is something the committee, I don't know that they'll even consider, but they probably should.

Like the five seed probably should be the loser of the SEC or the big 10 championship game, whichever one you think is better. Because you should not be punishing that team for having made that game. Well, Andy too, the thing that's so funny about this, and this is another thing that we need to talk about, but the way that this is, this bracket is done,

if it were to turn out this way, you're presuming what I said about Ohio State, that they win the rest of their games, which includes Penn State and Indiana. Right, and they could beat Obergen. They lost by a point in Eugene. But here, let me get to the finish line on this one. Okay.

And then Texas is the same scenario. They beat A&M, they finished the season with one loss, and then they lose again to Georgia in the SEC Championship game. The difference between those two seasons is pretty marginal. Now, Ohio State's win over Penn State would be an extra quality win that Texas wouldn't, or I mean, sorry, the Indiana win for Ohio State would be the extra quality win. Ohio State would have Penn State and Indiana. But, but Texas would have Texas A&M. So one of those games cancels each other out. But Ohio State would be left at the end of the year with an extra quality win that Texas wouldn't have. But the difference between the 5 and the 6 is like

night and day. And you're talking about teams that virtually had the same season like that. That is like getting the five spot is going to be the most coveted spot in the entire bracket if it turns out this way. And the difference between five and six, which is arguably the worst spot is razor thin. So like it look at me and tell me right now, Andy. So like it look me and tell me right now Andy if Ohio State Stands to gain being the five seed which would then put them on the same exact side of the bracket as Oregon That's even they're playing in the Big Ten Championship game. What on earth do they have to gain by by playing that game hard? Why would you even want to win? You're gonna have to beat them eventually you want to beat them Let me throw one other thing at you though the The fact that Boise State is here at 12. If they went out as Zach says in the chat, they won't be 12. They'll move up one or two. So they would be the 11 or the 10.

And that so that puts like an Alabama or an LSU or an Ole Miss or Texas A&M or Penn State, depending on what happened or in Indiana at 12. Yeah. So that makes the vibe seem maybe not as good. Do you think that Boise being 12 already means that it's guaranteed to move up a spot or two? Or do you think that they just leave Boise at 12 every week and let the teams that are playing each other like shuffle through? Because the thing that's interesting here, Andy, with that that thought is Alabama is number 11 and Boise is 12, right? So the presumption is that if Alabama are to lose to LSU on Saturday night, then Boise would move up a spot. But that's not true, because I think LSU would jump Boise in that in that scenario. I think they would, too. And I think I think Ole Miss will jump Boise if Ole Miss beats Georgia. Yes, and I don't think that Georgia would fall behind Boise if they were to lose.

So like I'm not sure that's guaranteed what you just said. If Alabama beats LSU and if Georgia beats Ole Miss, then everybody else is still like Boise still has a chance to move up. Yeah, Boise, I think it's probably more likely that Boise would be a seed. That's not 12 at the end of the road. Um, and this is the perfect point too, of like, uh, how you cannot plan. Like you can't take the big, tank the big 12, big 10 championship game with the hopes of getting the five, because you don't know who you're going to meet there. You might have like boys, he could be the, the 10 seed and then playing somebody on the other side of the bracket and and you have a tougher path at five. So you just have another

work out that way. Possibility at you Ari. BYU is undefeated. They're playing a rivalry game against Utah. Everybody else in the big 12 already has at least one conference loss. A lot of teams have two. So BYU has Utah, Kansas, Arizona state, Houston, like Arizona state has been good. Houston just beat Kansas state. Like what if, what if something crazy happens and the big 12 championship game is a matchup of a couple of two lost teams. Like, and Boise wins out. And the big 12 championship game is a matchup of a couple of two lost teams. Like and Boise wins out. Yeah, Boise is the four. Yeah.

Yeah. Anything else surprise you, Andy? Not really. That's important. Louisville 22 Louisville 22 like and I think Louisville can move up and I think they will like if Clemson rebounds and starts winning again, Louisville moves and just stays ahead of them because of the way they beat

them even though Clemson has one fewer loss now I still think Clemson might lose to South Carolina so yes Carolina looked really good on Saturday night Washington State being in there is big for Boise State that's helped for Boise State so if Washington State probably gonna finish 11 and 1 if we're looking at their schedule yeah so if they were to lose another game that hurts Boise State but if so if they were to lose. Another game that hurts Boise State, but if they can stay in there, that helps Boise State quite a bit.

And you look at the remainder of the schedule at Washington State is probably going to win out barring something crazy. So Louisville. Plays Stanford, Pitt and Kentucky. Now we don't know how the Kentucky games and ago it's on the road, Kentucky's fair. don't know how the Kentucky games gonna go. It's on the road.

Kentucky's fair. And they always lose the Kentucky. But if they win their next three games, you might be looking at a top 15 team at the end of the year. Which would then, which is great for Notre Dame, SMU and Miami. Notre Dame and SMU and Miami.

It's not gonna matter for Miami, I don't think. Cause I think they're gonna get in as long as they get to Charlotte. But like, if you are a Notre Dame, a hater or SMU finds itself in a debate with somebody having a top 15 win, like, I think that's a really important thing to like see coming. Now, SMU needs that SMU needs something like that

because the rest of the, unless Pitt keeps winning the rest of the schedule is not giving SMU that yeah. Cause I think that if you're, if you have a question about whether or not Notre Dame could make the playoff with two losses, what if at the end of the year, uh, A and M and, um, Louisville or top 15, like, and I think they might make it still with two losses. I don't know if like, if they were to go to USC and lose the USC cause you was well, USC is changing quarterback.

So yeah, it could be a different USC. So it's a good question. Um, I think, and I think last weekend showed us that like with the Iowa state game, with the, the Louisville Clemson game, like. You can't make assumptions in November. Like November makes fools of us all. Yeah. So there's gonna be some results down the road that blow our mind.

Like let me throw a weird one at you. Like LSU Alabama elimination game. Like Alabama's out if they lose. What happens if LSU Alabama elimination game like Alabama's out if they lose. What happens if LSU wins this and then loses to Florida or Vandy? Would that surprise you that much? It would. If that happened, I don't think it would. I mean, LSU, I know they've only lost twice, but LSU feels like a team that's had like 20 chances this year for some reason to me. They're very up in Alabama. They're like, it's like, oh, LSU, I know they've only lost twice, but LSU feels like a team that's had like 20 chances this year for some reason to me.

They're very up in Alabama. They're like, it's like, oh, LSU stinks. And then all of a sudden they're great. And then they stink and they're great. They're probably just pretty good. Right. Like, I don't know if I think that their team that is going to be making any runs at the end of the year, but, um, Double O'Neal Colorado has two losses and they won't be ranked above Boise if they win the conference title.

Exactly. has two losses and they won't be ranked above Boise if they win the conference title. Exactly. If, if either BYU loses a couple or the non BYU big 12 team wins the big 12 championship game, there's a chance that Boise stays the four seed if they keep winning. I'm trying to look at schedules, um, as we're talking here. So forgive me if I'm talking slow. Oh, so at the end of the year, if Colorado wins out and then wins the Big 12, they would have wins over Kansas State, who's in the poll, and I believe...

No, they lost to Kansas State. Oh, sorry. Their only loss would be in the Big 12 would be to Kansas State. They have zero quality wins right now. And they're playing Texas Tech, Utah, Kansas, and Oklahoma State. So their only chance at gaining a quality win is beating potentially an undefeated BYU in the big 12 champions. It doesn't matter.

It won't matter if they win the conference title. If they win the conference title, they're in. So. Yeah. But I'm just saying as it pertains to Boise State, like I don't know if that's a fact. I I think if the non BYU Big 12 team, maybe Iowa State if they don't lose again, that's really it. Yeah, and Iowa State I think is there. This is a dangerous game against Kansas this week and then you've got farmageddon and also Cincinnati after the Kansas game so there's

There's a lot that can happen, especially in the big 12 And then and then the army thing at number 25 like Army's got to beat noter day That's that's all there is to it army needs to beat noter d Dame and win the American. They actually could probably drop a game in the American, although UTSA in North Texas are the only ones they can drop at this point. Those are the only other ones they're playing in the regular season. That Army-Navy game, the official Army-Navy game, is after the playoff is selected. So we will see if army winds up in. The the American Championship, they are undefeated in

conference play right now they've and then Tulane is undefeated in conference play Navy. Remember just lost to rice so they have a conference loss. Yeah, I mean, I don't know the army 25 thing. I've seen some stuff on Twitter. People fired. I that doesn't move the needle for me because like they're Notre Dame. They'll pop right up. And yeah, they are chance if they beat Notre Dame, then they're probably still going to be if they beat Notre Dame. That means they're probably good enough to run the table in the American and it won't matter anyway.

Like I don't know that like and I, I think army might get in over Boise state at that point, but also that's the one where the big 12 needs to worry about not having a tour three loss conference champ. That's where they, they got to start. Yeah. I was going to say, I don't know that they would hop Boise in that scenario. If boys is a one lost team, but they might hop the big 12 champ. If it's not BYU.

Yeah, so it is possible technically that there was a big 12 list playoff, right? Like it's within the realm of possibility. It's possible, yes. It's not guaranteed. Yeah, if they have a two or three lost conference champ and Army wins out and Boise State wins out, it's possible. I just don't think you can leave Boise State out under any circumstance because of the way they played Oregon in the beginning of the year.

As long as they keep winning. If they lose again, it's another story. No, I'm saying if Boise State's a one-loss team and then the crazy thing that we're talking about comes true and Army's an undefeated AAC champ with a win over Notre Dame. Like I don't know that I would go to Boise first to kick somebody out. Yeah. Like, I don't know that I would go to Boise first to kick somebody out. Yeah, it's funny as we say this, Nevada is Boise State's next game. I remember back in 2010, Boise State had risen very, very high in the rankings. And we were talking about them about if they kept winning, maybe they might make the BCS

championship. The same day that Cam Newton led Auburn back against Alabama, Nevada beat Boise state. And that was that. Yeah. So now I don't think that's going to happen this time. I think the one team that has a chance to beat Boise state would be they play UNLV again in the Mountain West Championship. That would be the that would be the game to watch. Yeah. What else here? I'm looking here. Ari, think about how many teams we've talked about tonight.

This is than this time last year. We're like, here's the top four, the five and six might have a chance, but maybe not. Yeah, there are a lot more teams. There are. That's a fact. or the five and six might have a chance, but maybe not. Yeah, there are a lot more teams. There are, that's a fact. We can't just stop, man. I know we got some time to fill, but just don't do this to me.

Stop the fight. Man's got a family. All right. Oh, I want to ask you, I remember because we had talked about this. What do you think of SMU outside of the top 12? I'm OK with it. Because they have a loss now, granted, it's to an undefeated team.

The best team they've beaten is Pittsburgh. I didn't. It was one of those things where Pittsburgh was undefeated. But if you actually paid attention to their season, you knew they were kind of living dangerously and there was they were going to run into something like this. So again, Louisville, you said it earlier, Louisville made you some work for SMU here. Okay. Just throwing this out here. Okay. And I'm not starting to I'm not trying to stir shit, but this is no no. Stir away. Look me in the eyes and tell me that Penn State has a better resume than SMU. Oh, I don't think I can do that.

That's a big difference between those two. Illinois and are Illinois and Louisville. On equal footing as wins. Did you see Illinois in the top 25 anywhere? Nice did not. And I haven't seen Illinois beat anybody really good. I saw Illinois beat Nebraska, but Nebraska's not that good. You could make the case that losing to BYU by 3 and losing to Ohio State at home by 7 is a wash, right? Their losses

are the same. You lose, you lost to a team that is either undefeated in the favorite to win their conference or a team that has one loss to the No number one team in the country. Either way, I think both of those, those losses are understandable. And then you go through and you look at what, what they have actually done in the ACC. SMU just got done beating the crap out of another team that was undefeated this weekend on top of their win over Louisville. What does it mean to be six?

Yeah, we got people in the chat that don't even, don't even remember their history. Jose Dominguez. Andy was undefeated this weekend on top of their win over Louisville. What does it mean to be six? Yeah, people in the chat that don't even don't even remember their history. Jose Dominguez, Andy was the biggest Florida homer betting against Miami. Jose I picked Miami in that game. It's it's on the internet. There's a show like you can watch it with people Andy I think about this all the time because like I see it on Twitter all the time. Like people say you said shit that you didn't say a lot yeah like actually pull up the video but like what where do they come up with it I'm just curious like are people just

like why did they don't even know why they're angry talking about he literally picked Miami in the game literally Where did you come up? I did? You did. Yeah. Oh no you didn't. You weren't here yet. You weren't on that show. That was me and Jesse. Jesse picked Florida but I picked Miami. Don't put that evil on me Ricky Bobby. Back to my Penn State slander. Okay. Slander away. SMU has a win over Pitt and Louisville, both of whom are represented on this list. Penn State and SMU both have a loss

to a very good team. Why the hell is Penn State seven spots ahead of SMU in this poll right now? Why is Penn State ahead of Indiana? What the hell are they doing with Penn State? Is there a they almost lost the bowling green? What am I loop? What am I missing? I don't get it. I don't understand it. I really don't. I don't care. I'm not mad. I just don't understand it.

And it bothers me. I don't get it. All right. I I'm not trying to defend this because I don't think it's defensive. But try to play devil's advocate. And the only thing I can think of is they're saying, well, look how look how tight they played Ohio State and we think Ohio State's really good, which you're going to get a comparison point for Indiana, but you're not for SMU. But what metric in the protocol does that fall under the good loss one, which is which is the one the one they use to make the excuse when they do something that doesn't make sense

did you think that was a good loss no I don't think I should have won the game like I thought they should should have recruited you know a dynamic receiver out of the portal and won the game but that was there any point in the game outside of the first 10 minutes and it was 10 and no 10 to nothing that you thought Penn State was going to win? No. No, in terms of game control, something the committee likes to talk about. Yeah. I felt like by halftime, by the end of the second quarter, you were fairly comfortable Ohio State was gonna win the game. We have to present this,

because he was nice enough to make his time. To pay for it. Steven Light, Ari, SMU was in the ACC. As a Penn State fan, I too would have preferred playing in the ACC. Well, you would have probably lost to BYU in one, actually Penn State might have lost to Louisville. Yeah, I don't know. Like, listen.

Are you one? I don't know if they would be like, this is the thing, too, because I've fallen back on the recruiting rankings and all this stuff my entire career. So if you're one if you're one of these people, I love you. I'm with you. Look, there's nothing that anybody could tell me right now, Andy, that could convince me that it is a certainty that Penn State would beat Indiana and certainly not a certainty that they would beat SMU like now. I almost want I almost want a 14 big 10 tournament So I could see Penn State in Indiana and just see what that looks like and who's better Dude I'm gonna have spirit fingers tonight.

The second we, you know. These aren't spirit fingers. These are spirit fingers. I'm gonna write this. He's never heard zombie by the cranberries, but he's seen bringing on 54 times. 54 in one month. I used to slam that movie.

Andy, can I have dibs on the Indiana call? Do it. You, you go write that and I tell you what, I'm going to let you cook. We will reconvene tomorrow morning at nine 30 Eastern. I've got three saucy takes coming your way. Cause it is Wednesday, Wendy's sauciest steak Wednesday. I might even let you throw in a saucy take. Cause I know, I know you got one right now.

And we're going to talk about these again when we had a chance to sleep on it. We've had a chance to really digest and see what's going on. But I think I know where you're going with this column. I cannot wait to read it. Everybody gets yourselves to on three are he's going to be cooking won't take him long, right? When he's inspired, the fingers just fly. There's like sparks flying off the keyboard. We'll talk to you again at 9.30 in the morning. ["Spring Day"]