Andy & Ari On3 - LSU FIRES Brian Kelly | Where do the Tigers turn next?

Starting point is 00:00:00 On Andy and Ari, on three, instant reaction presented by Ben and GM, we talk the Brian Kelly news. Brian Kelly has been fired by LSU. Pete Nacos reports, and there's a team meeting scheduled for 8 p.m. Central, where they're inspected to be informed of the firing. It fell apart quickly, but not that quickly, because Brian Kelly came to LSU with the expectation that he would win a national title. He left Notre Dame, expecting to go to LSU and win national titles. But unlike his three predecessors, he didn't win a national title. In fact, losing to Texas A&M on Saturday night meant it would be four years without even making the college football playoff. Ari and I will break it all down, including potential candidates to replace Brian Kelly on tonight's instant reaction. We are presented by BedMGM.

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Starting point is 00:02:30 and get your $1,500 first bet offer today. Welcome to an emergency instant reaction edition of Andy and Ari on 3 presented by BetMGM. Ari Brian Kelly has been fired. We were talking about this coming out of the A&M game last night, that it felt like it was over eventually. It did not feel like it was definitely over immediately. We left last night's show saying, probably going to make some staff changes heading into the Alabama game, but that's probably about it. Nope. It's apparently done. Fifty three million dollar buyout. It doesn't sound like everything's completely worked

Starting point is 00:03:15 out yet. So I'll be curious to find out how that all works. But it's a $53 million buyout as it stands in the contract. There's a duty to mitigate, which means if he gets another job. It comes off the total. He's also 64 years old and hell, if somebody gave me that much money, I don't know if I'd ever work again. So pretty crazy last 24 hours are you? In fact, I'm looking at the clock right now. We are about 23 hours from when LSU took the lead going into halftime against Texas A&M. Yeah, I'm still trying to process it. I mean, we've been texting about this all day so it's um you know talking to people trying to get to the bottom of it it kind of felt like this was going to go down at some point um but last night felt like the end of the road

Starting point is 00:04:01 um i don't know if we were ready to say it on the show but just it wasn't just they lost by a lot it was just kind of how how A&M took over the stadium the fire Kelly chance to go the Brian Kelly has to go sign like it just it didn't it felt like this fans checked out um and as you always like to put out like when the fans completely check out that's usually when you know things start to go in another direction the one thing I think is interesting because you did put in your little preamble there that um he has a duty to mitigate doesn't it feel a little bit less likely that he might actually mitigate it the way that james franklin would too i think james franklin works next year i i'm not sure brian kelly wants to do that so like i he does

Starting point is 00:04:46 I was kind of shocked when Penn State fired James Franklin until I realized that they might not have to pay maybe as much as half or more of the buyout because he gets another job. I'm more shocked that it happened this quickly with Brian Kelly because there's a pretty good chance that LSU might have to pay a lot more than Penn State would. The buyouts larger, obviously, but the mitigating thing is kind of an interesting thing. I don't know to, like, how hot of a candidate that Brian Kelly would be, but going back to LSU, you don't get this much time at a place as prideful as LSU when that happens. Like, you know, we're in year four of this. You are losing.

Starting point is 00:05:32 And his best year was year one. His best year was the year they won the SEC West in 2022 when he had the most at Orgeron recruited players. And then the second year, you've got Jaden Daniels at the height of his powers. He wins the Heisman. You have maybe the worst defense in LSU history. Last year, the defense in much better. Like the previous three coaches won a national title by year four. So that was the always going to be the measuring stick.

Starting point is 00:06:03 And it would have been one thing if Kelly had made the playoff a couple times in that period because it would have been like, okay, you made the playoff. You didn't quite make it all the way, but you're right there. It's sort of our knocking on the door thing that we talked about with Kirby Smart before he won the national title. With Ryan Day before he won the national title, we're talking about it now with Marcus Freeman. As long as you knock on the door, you got a chance. I guess it didn't work with James Franklin. But he wasn't knocking on the door.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Like Texas A&M was knocking on the door, but then didn't get the knock again. Like, he went away and went to the direction. Kelly wasn't even knocking. Like, the loss of Texas A&M took. took away any chance of making the playoff. And there's certain circumstances of this particular loss and the way it happened that made it worse because you're winning at halftime, they make a few tweaks and blow your doors off in the second half.

Starting point is 00:06:58 They were clearly the more talented team. They were clearly the better coach team. Everything was better about Texas A&M. One of the things that made them better is that their strength coach is Tommy Moffat. Who is Tommy Moffat, you ask? Well, he was LSU strength coach under Nick Saban, under Les Miles, under Ed Orgeron. Brian Kelly went into LSU and said, I'm tearing it all down and I'm going to rebuild it in my image. He got rid of a lot of things that made LSU special. A lot of the things that helped LSU win those three national titles, and Tommy Moffitt was

Starting point is 00:07:34 one of them. Tommy Moffat was great at creating really tough players. And guess what? A bunch of really tough players, coached by Tommy Moffat, kicked LSU's ass on Saturday night. Yeah. And, you know, it's not just one game. I think the entire season, outside of a pretty nice high point at the beginning of the year, it was pretty clear that LSU was not where it needed to be. I think the most frustrating thing maybe from LSU fans is that they did have an offense that was good enough to win a national title at one point, and they weren't able to situate it

Starting point is 00:08:05 with a defense that was even remotely competitive to put it in a position that it could. and then on the other hand, it felt like their defense was pretty good this year, and now they can't barely get a first down. So, like, that is just, I mean, I almost feel like it's like always a good thing for a new coach to come out of the gate and be really good, you know, win your side of the SEC in year one. But I feel like it's so bad to get progressively worse as the program becomes more yours. Like, yeah, a fast start, but you want the fast start to be an indication that you're ahead of schedule, not a fast start because you didn't, you know, take over a.

Starting point is 00:08:39 dumpster fire. Like, it's just not what you needed to be. And I, and I wonder, Andy, you know, from the day that he was introduced to the family, you know, impersonation and all the things that came out like in the week after, you know, you hear this a lot and I want to dive into it with you for a little bit. Like, was he just not the right culture fit for LSU period from the beginning? You, if you win, you fit. He didn't win enough. That's why it didn't fit. It's not a matter of a culture fit. The coach that wins national titles fits anywhere. I covered Urban Meyer at Florida.

Starting point is 00:09:13 He wasn't from Florida. He never coached in the SEC. He fit because he won. Not for any other reason. Is it harder to win if you don't fit? Didn't have to have Ed Orsoran's accent. He needed to win. Is it harder to win if you don't fit?

Starting point is 00:09:31 I don't think so. Here's the thing about LSU. Nick Sabin created the blueprint. He showed everyone the blueprint and Les Miles and that Origenon just followed it. It's not complicated. Kelly had the blueprint from Nick Saban. He just ignored it. He's like, no, I got better ideas than this than these things that have worked.

Starting point is 00:09:55 And he got rid of everybody. Again, the Tommy Moffat thing. And there are others in that in that group that Kelly just cleaned house when he got there. And the other thing about Kelly that's telling, and again, I'll put my hand up and tell you, I thought this was going to work. I thought because he was almost there at Notre Dame, and there were certain restrictions at Notre Dame about who you could recruit and everything, that once he got to LSU, he was going to win national titles.

Starting point is 00:10:22 So I was wrong about that. But what we noticed, and we've talked about this the last few years, and everybody else has noticed this too, is that Kelly left Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman made Notre Dame better. The things that Kelly claimed he couldn't do at Notre Dame, Marcus Freeman does at Notre Dame. So it was Kelly and not Notre Dame

Starting point is 00:10:42 that was the problem. But LSU was already on the hook for millions of dollars at that point. It's such a murky situation because we never got to see Brian Kelly operate at Notre Dame during a time that Marcus did because it's just like also the sport changed at the same time too.

Starting point is 00:10:58 But Kelly handled in i.el terribly. Like, his initial, his initial idea of handling nil was pay everybody the same. Yeah. Which is stupid and doesn't work in any walk of life. Well, here's the other deal, too. Um, and I know people change. I understand that when you take a job at LSU, you should go into it eyes wide open about what's expected from you. Um, you know, that rant a month ago where he pointed at the, the cameraman and was like, you people are spoiled and all that stuff, kind of felt like a disconnect of like not understanding that you're taking over a job where people are no shit sherlock of course they're

Starting point is 00:11:35 spoiled they won three national titles this century and if you go into a job because you think that they they give you the opportunity or the resources or the geography or the conference affiliation or the admission standards to do it i still feel like you have to pour yourself in every single day in a way that uh you would have to at the other place and i think that because he felt like Notre Dame was his ceiling and not he was his ceiling, that he could come to LSU and potentially go about things the same way that they were done at Notre Dame before the NIL era. And I don't think that that was enough.

Starting point is 00:12:15 Adam in the chat, Miles and Orgeron had the talent. Kelly didn't. Whose fault is that? It's the same dude, Andy. I know. It's the same guy. But he knows what I'm going to say. So he set me up.

Starting point is 00:12:26 I appreciate him teeing it up for me. Whose fault is it? that he didn't have the talent his fault yeah and like lSU did a pretty good job from what i understand and remember you know recruiting the state of louisiana because that was always that's the blueprint you know you said nick sabin does the blueprint hand over the blueprint it was like you have a unique advantage at lSU that only two or three other programs in the entire country share ohio state has it funny enough rutgers has it um and there's one more that i'm forgetting you might be able to fill in the gaps of being the only big time program in

Starting point is 00:12:59 a talent-rich state. Well, the dynamics of Georgia and Georgia Tech are different, though Georgia Tech is having a great season this year. Georgia has it. But Georgia is the dominant in this, you know, everybody grows up wanting to be a bulldog. Everybody grows up wanting to be a tiger. Everybody in Louisiana wants to be a tiger. And in LSU, I mean, the Louisiana has more five-star prospects than any other state of its

Starting point is 00:13:24 size on an annual basis over the course of the past 20 years. There's a lot of really good players in Louisiana. And it almost feels like it's like handed to you on a platter. Half of your class is basically finished every year before the class starts, which then frees up more time to go and recruit other players from different areas because the people that want to be at LSU will be at LSU. That's why Ohio State is able to sign the classes it does. That's the way Georgia does.

Starting point is 00:13:48 Funny enough, Georgia actually could be better at in-state recruiting than they've been in the past, though there's really not much to quibble with when it comes to the results that Kirby Smart has had. I just yeah I feel like it just wasn't what is the thing that you heard about Brian Kelly when he was at Notre Dame that he was a good coach but he was not obsessed with recruiting and I don't know if LSU even with that advantage could hire a person that is not obsessed with recruiting now that might have been different maybe the NIL situation you know changed the dynamic of the necessity for that but like if I was hired nobody really knew how the NIL era was going to unfold yet

Starting point is 00:14:27 I think we've talked about that with regard to Billy Napier, who was hired in the same cycle. Like, nobody, and the NIL era has evolved multiple times in that four-year span. So I don't know that anybody knew. It just, I understand where Scott Woodward was going when he hired Brian Kelly. Like, I get it. Because Brian Kelly had Notre Dame, we thought, out punching its weight. But Marcus Freeman has shown that, no, it was actually probably. in the right weight class all along.

Starting point is 00:15:00 Yeah. All I know is if I'm an athletic director or if I'm a person who strokes checks, I'm not writing a massive fully guaranteed or semi-fully guaranteed contract for 10 years to a coach that had never been able to get over the hump. Oh, boy. Okay. Do we want to have the candidate conversation now? Because by the way, I think people in the chat are.

Starting point is 00:15:25 that somebody who's like Andy and Ari are dressed like they're going to a funeral no Andy and Ari are dressed like they were weighing on the couch watching Red Zone today or at least I am I don't know if I'm yeah pretty much that's one so yeah let's do it let's talk candidates because LSU has the opportunity probably to get a lot of really good coaches there are a lot of coaches who love this job who covet this job let's start well Andy Where we started last week, Ari? Before we go to the list, and I don't mean to interrupt you, everybody knows that you're going to say Lane Kiffin because he's going to coach nine teams next year.

Starting point is 00:16:05 But LSU is unequivocally the top job on the market now, right? Like if you are going after the same pool of coaches and your Lane Kiffin, you would probably rather, like LSU is unbelievably better, right? Like, I know what we had a debate about where they were in relation to Florida. Florida, Penn State, like, they can argue they can fight it out. LSU's the best job available right now. Okay. All right.

Starting point is 00:16:32 I just wanted to make that clear before you went into the names, the floor is yours. Okay. We'll start, or we started last week. When the Florida job opened up, Lane Kiffin. If you think Lane Kiffin would fit at Florida, he'd absolutely fit at L. us you. So I'm sorry, Florida fans, you got some competition now. And I'm sorry, Ole Miss fans, you have more competition now. And I wrote this yesterday when Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss beat Oklahoma, they're probably in the playoff. But guess what? When that big

Starting point is 00:17:08 tiger comes and the gators are throwing money at you and the rebels are throwing money at you, you're going to milk this for all its worth. Andy. I don't know where this man's going to be a coach next year. What I do know is, is he probably has a storage locker somewhere in Albuquerque. And he's probably opening that storage locker tonight and laying on the cash. Like Huell in Breaking Bad, right? Like this guy is going to get. That's my favorite scene in Breaking Bad.

Starting point is 00:17:38 Hewle just on the money. Like, yeah. Lane Kiffin's going to win. Jimmy Sexton's going to win. Like, we know they're going to win. I don't know where they're going to be. I mean, Jimmy's going to have the same job. but lane may have the same job but he's going to win financially yes so he already like if he's

Starting point is 00:17:56 looking at uh boats on the internet to buy or yachts you know he could probably go buy that yacht um yeah so i guess the question for you is what drives lane kiffin which is what we've been trying to you know get to the bottom of and what is more attractive to you like if like what's the main motivation for leaving because if the main motivation is to win a national type I think you could stay, but LSU, what's true about Brian Kelly leaving Notre Dame for LSU remains true here. I think that LSU ceiling, I don't even know how to quantify this, but LSU, Florida and Ole Miss all have a national championship ceiling in 2025, but somehow it still feels like LSU ceiling is higher. It feels like LSU isn't just national. It is because it feels like you can get back more frequently and different people can get back.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Yeah. Right. So I think LSU is the better job. I think LSU is the best of these jobs. So there's Kiffin. I'm going to throw another name out there. And with Florida, I threw it out there as you have to call this person. With Penn State, I threw it out there as you have to call this person and get them to tell you no because you're not doing your job.

Starting point is 00:19:06 You're not doing your due diligence. If not, with LSU, I wonder if this person might listen. And you're going to laugh when I say the name. You ready? I think I know who it is. Marcus Freeman. Ask him. this is the rare case where a school and a fan base will not go,

Starting point is 00:19:24 we can't do the same thing we just did. We can't hire the guy from the same school we just did. Because what we've seen is there cannot be two more different people than Brian Kelly and Marcus Freeman. So very different. Now, is he probably going to say no? Because he likes his job? Maybe.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Why do you ask? Because it's LSU and he might be like, you know what? The thing that is different. about now than it was in the 2021 cycle when Lincoln bolted and Kelly bolted and Mario bolted to Miami is that it's my understanding that whatever LSU can offer from a financial package that Notre Dame is equipped to match or exceed, right? Like there's nothing that LSU can bring to the table other than pitching a higher ceiling than Notre Dame. And I feel like it's a lot harder to make that sales pitch when your team played in the national title games seven or 11 months ago. like they made that pitch to Brian Kelly and that's what moved Brian Kelly when he left

Starting point is 00:20:24 after Brian Kelly was there for a decade and never won a playoff game. Like it's just a little bit different, you know, for Marcus Freeman considering the fact that he only, he just won multiple playoff games. And I thought it was pretty competitive against one of the best teams of the last five years in the national title game last year. I don't know. What would you have to think that like Marcus Freeman would be at mentally

Starting point is 00:20:46 to take this job? he would have to feel like there's something holding him back at Notre Dame because I don't think it's going to be money. I don't think it's going to be prestige or anything else. The only reason you would even think about it is if you feel like there's something holding you back at Notre Dame. And the only thing I think that would hold him back right now is they can't take every transfer they want. They have to take grad transfers or people who are at equally high academic schools, which does limit their prospects in the transfer portal. They're already better than LSU though. I know.

Starting point is 00:21:19 They're already been. That's what I'm saying. So he probably says no. So let's move on. Okay. You ready for another one? Do you make the call? Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 00:21:27 This is your guy. Grew up where you grew up, living there. Making bank. Just let his team to a conference title last year. Did he drive a range rover? Kenny Dillingham. Kenny Dillingham could do some damage in the SEC. He's worked in the agency.

Starting point is 00:21:48 the SEC before a little bit. He worked at Auburn for a little while. But Kenny Dillingham, we've seen what he did at Arizona State with a massive roster flip that was a complete rebuild, that he should not have been able to pull off as quickly as he did. Now look, they are not as good this year as they were last year. But they did beat Texas Tech, which was a much more talented team just two weeks ago. So they can do it. Kenny Dillingham is a call you make. You interview killing him and see if he fits yeah um it's interesting because we knew this day was coming last year um i wrote a column actually i was in nashire watching conference championship weekend after as u one and i wrote a column with a clever headline fork in the road get it because

Starting point is 00:22:35 i s u yeah you know Kenny dealingham Arizona state success and pondering the future because listen i i'm sure people who watch the show know, I mean, Kenny and I grew up in the same city around the same time, and we know a lot of the same people. And somebody I used to work at, like, as a camp counselor with is, like, best friends with him. And I'm pretty good friends with him, too. So, like, I kind of have a general idea of, like, what drives Kenny. And my understanding is, like, he's building a house or is in the close as close to a company. You can keep the house because LSU will pay you so much freaking money. And you can fly back and forth there on a private jet. Right.

Starting point is 00:23:15 It's not that he wouldn't be able to afford selling it. I think it's more about building your dream home in the city that you grew up and want to live in forever while also realizing that you might have a chance to be like the greatest coach in ASU history. Can you win a national title there? I will never say. Can you win a national title of LSU? I bet there's no um at the beginning of the answer. Yeah, but I'll never say no to the first thing.

Starting point is 00:23:39 And you're right. And that's what the entire point of the column is is like what happens if Ohio State calls? What happens if LSU calls? What happens if Georgia calls? I think there's four or five programs in the country that makes that house in Scottsdale feel a little bit less warm and like LSU is one of those teams. So Jeff Brom at Louisville is another one.

Starting point is 00:23:57 That's another one on Flores list. I think everybody should call him. If you have an opening call him, he's at his alma mater just like Kenny Dillingham, just like Brent Key at Georgia Tech, who's another name I'll throw out there. But call Jeff Brom. Because Jeff Brom has had his team out punching its weight

Starting point is 00:24:12 every single time. Now imagine you gave Jeff Brom the best of the best. Imagine Jeff Brom could go get the best players. It's not at Purdue anymore. He gets better players at Louisville than he got at Purdue, and you've seen what he does with that. Now imagine he could get the best of the best. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:32 And goes back to what drives you. Does it having the best job and the most money and a chance? It was like a 2001 Honda accord that drove him for years and years. I don't know if he ever finally got rid. of it. But he was driving it when he got back. He probably didn't. That thing's still running. I guarantee it. I know. So Brent, Brent Key at Georgia Tech's another one at his alma mater, but really understands

Starting point is 00:24:53 line of scrimmage play in the SEC, was an, it was the O line coach at Bama, you know, understands that environment, understands that recruiting. It's just a different level of recruiting, but he's done it before as an assistant. He's swam, he has swam, he had swam in those waters as an assistant. So these are all potentially good options. Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri. That's another one I think is on Floor's list. Successful in the SEC at a place where it's hard to be successful in the SEC

Starting point is 00:25:24 at a place where it's hard to recruit. Remember, Eli Drinkwitz has gotten multiple players who were the number one player at their position in the country, out of high school, at Missouri. Imagine what he's going to get at LSU if you hire. Mm-hmm. All right. Let me throw a curveball out you. I'm not going to give you a name, but I want to ask you a question.

Starting point is 00:25:44 Okay. Last week, we had a discussion on the show, and I wrote a column about coaches that should be on your hotboard, but you're not really interested in or aren't they aren't sexy enough at the time being. Correct. Is LSU, is the LSU job so big that you don't make that higher? Or like, could you imagine them going out and getting a hash out? Well, okay, I'm going to bring up John Somerall because John Somerall is at Tulane.

Starting point is 00:26:08 And I do think there'd be a political thing. about hiring the Tulane coach at LSU, but John Somerall would be awesome at LSU. John Somerall will be an SEC head coach next year. I don't know where it's going to be. One of these openings, they're going to take him. He's someone they should call and do their due diligence on because he's won everywhere he's been.

Starting point is 00:26:29 He understands the area. He understands the SEC. He's been an assistant in the SEC at multiple schools. He played at an SEC school. He played at Kentucky. so this is one you've got to consider but again this is one of those weird things he's the two lane coach and you're lSU and that's kind of weird get over it give him a call uh clark what you mean by that like what the what's the weirdness of that it's a little

Starting point is 00:26:58 brother thing stealing from your little brother yeah it's it's a little brother they hate each other. Yeah. So Clark Lee at Vanderbilt should be on everybody's list. He's at his alma mater. I don't know that he'd leave for anywhere at Notre Dame. I didn't realize how many people that are doing really well are on these hotboards for succeeding are all at their alma mater. That's like a it's not it's not normal because I remember like the guys at sports source analytics actually did study on it because everybody thought, oh, you got to hire somebody from your school because they understand the place. And most people who go to their alma mater actually fail, right? Yeah, it wasn't, there was no statistical significance to it. Like, it wasn't good or bad. It was just

Starting point is 00:27:44 kind of everybody. Ooh, here's somebody, Dennis, in the chat, reading my mind with a couple of NFL potential candidates. Joe Brady, Bill. Bill's Offensive Coordinator, who was the offensive coordinator on the national title team in 2019, or not officially the offensive coordinator. He and Steve Insminger shared it, but Joe Brady was the one who revolutionized that offense. Kelvin Shepard, D.C. at the Lions, I'm telling you right now, keep an eye on this guy. Players love him.

Starting point is 00:28:19 He's awesome. He just moved into that role because his predecessor is now the head coach of the Jets. the defense got better when Kelvin Shepard got the job. Kelvin Sheper played at LSU, got his coaching start as the player personnel or player development guy under Coach O. He's had a really rapid rise in the NFL, but this is a rising star in the business. And it is his alma mater. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:51 Do you have to go through like the two sexiest coordinators like Will Stein at Oregon? I would call it can't hurt yeah I think because I think Will Stein could be successful anywhere he's not tied to any one particular piece of geography he's worked in a lot of different places he you know he grew up in Louisville played at Louisville but then he followed Charlie Strong

Starting point is 00:29:15 to Texas work as a high school coach in Texas was with Jeff Trailer at UTSA now he's at Oregon out west like he's succeeded everywhere he's been I feel like in the discussion of offensive coordinator at a place that has every resource in the world that's actually killing it, knows how to do it, is part of the, is a branch or at least a partial branch of the Kirby Smart Dan Lanning tree. And then you put them at a place that gives you all the resources that LSU does. Like this could be like another Dan Lanning Kirby Smart like opening here. Well, and that's the thing.

Starting point is 00:29:50 Everybody's looking for that next Kirby Smart or Dan Lanning or Ryan Day. and there's no reason it can't be an assistant because those guys were. Can you find the next Kirby Smart, Ryan Day, or Dan Lanning, and a coach that's already been a head coach for 10 years? They're kind of usually set in their ways, although Kurt Signetti had been a coach for a long time. He'd just been a coach at different levels. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:12 It's like, is Jeff Brom going to go to LSU and turn into Kirby Smart? Maybe. The man took Purdue to the Big Ten title game. It's so funny to hear you say it every time you say it. It's like, yeah, he did. Trevante in the chat, Dan Lanning. No, Dan Lanning's not leaving Oregon. That's one, obviously, you would want to call him, but he's not leaving.

Starting point is 00:30:35 So I'll just pop that balloon right there. He's not leaving. Yeah. At least not for college job, maybe for an NFL job. Yeah. Like, there's no question that, like, these coaches are good coaches. My thought process is go get the younger person. I can grow into the job and be there for 20 years and kick ass.

Starting point is 00:30:56 I don't have a problem with that either because that person also is not going to strap you to the railroad tracks for the buyout like Brian Kelly did. Yeah. Because the thing about Lane Kiffin, Eli Drinkwitz, anybody who's in a power conference right now, anybody who's a current power conference head coach, Marcus Freeman, I mean that counts at Notre Dame job, anybody is going to command a guarantee along the lines of what you guaranteed, and Kelly. And again, let's use the team that came in and beat LSU last night as an instructive lesson. They paid a $77 million buyout to get rid of Jimbo Fisher. They were

Starting point is 00:31:39 about to hire Mark Stoops. To hire Mark Stoops away from Kentucky, given what Kentucky paid him, would have required a guarantee about as big as what they guaranteed Jimbo Fisher. their board of trustees at Texas A&M revolted and said, we're not doing this. We're not. Find somebody else who does not mortgage our future that way.

Starting point is 00:32:02 They went and found Mike Elko and guess what? He was the perfect tire. Yeah, it almost feels like Lane Kiffin is like impossible to hire because in order to get him, you're going to have to sell your soul for him. You are going to have to pay Lane Kiffin

Starting point is 00:32:17 $14 or $15 million, this right. I mean, when you think about who's bidding at the table, I guarantee it for 10 years. Would you want to do that? I don't like the idea, given what we've seen from all these contracts. Yeah. Do you actually, like, what you just estimated would make Lane the highest paid coach in college football, right? So what Lane will get Kirby Smart and Ryan Day raises. Because if Florida and LSU and Ole Miss are all competing for Lane. Lane is going to wind up with a massive number. Kirby will then get a raise above that number because Kirby's more accomplished. Ryan Day will then get a raise above that number because he's more accomplished.

Starting point is 00:33:04 Yeah. You'll reset the salary scale. And like, Lane is going to reset the salary scale in the sport already. It doesn't matter what happens. Whether he stays at Ole Miss or goes to one of the other everyone's he's resetting the scale it is freight is so great i like lane i am so amused by him even his antics after the old miss uh went over oklahoma on saturday where he was talking trash to david sanders i believe it was uh in the post game interview room he goes hey you're not not not not as loud now uh who doesn't like lane kiffin i don't know if there's any coach in college football outside of Kirby smart or shit man uh who would you give 15 million a year for 10 years guaranteed to that you would feel good about was you give it to

Starting point is 00:33:56 ryan day or does you have to be michigan first i mean you won the national title you probably give it to ryan day probably yeah um landing do you give it the dan landing maybe i wouldn't want to give it to Cignetti. I wouldn't want to give it to Elko. I wouldn't want to give it to Clark Lee. I wouldn't want to give that much money to anybody who has never won a national title, let alone never made the playoff. Everybody has good years. It's about sustained success. I don't know, man. That's just I feel like Lane Kiffin is going to just like bankrupt somebody. And you better be damn sure he's your guy for paying that much money. And this is the issue because that's what Brian Kelly just did. And can LSU do it again right after doing it? Like that's the other thing, too. Like, do you have an appetite? You know, like, have you ever gone to an Indian restaurant or, you know, ethnic place that has spices that you're not used to eating and then gotten, you know, sick and maybe had a rough day on the toilet the next day? Don't you need some time before you go back? But I understand where you're coming from. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:57 You got to give us some time before you go back to that restaurant. You don't go to dinner there the next night, right? But here's the problem. It's easy for us to say, go hire your Mike Elko, go find your Mike Elko. finding him's scary for them when there's a lane kiffin right there and he just beat you and he's got a team that's probably going to be in the playoff but at least when jimbo fisher got that money he was a national champion he wasn't he was on the decline at florida state though i know lane kiffin does not seem to be on the decline so let's let's be clear about that lane kiffin

Starting point is 00:35:32 still seems to be on the as a head coach 100% 100% i just feel like if you're you if you pay that much money out of the gate, you better be damn sure. Not hopeful, not optimistic, you know, not at the crap stable. You better be damn sure that's your guy for 10 years. Ari, I've got a picture of Lane Kiffin, or maybe it's a picture of Brian Kelly. Producer River, let's see it. There they are. It's one of those two, maybe both of them.

Starting point is 00:36:08 Ryan Kelly and a pile of cash for the next guy. Trivia. Who was the comedian, an actor who was on the pile with him? I don't know. Bill Burr. Wow. How about that? You have to watch something new every day watching Andy and Ari.

Starting point is 00:36:29 That's my favorite television series of all time, and I've watched it like seven times. So I know that. And we've now set a record, by the way, because Ari is now giving fun facts about breaking bad for the longest emergency show in the history of india and arian three but i think we had a lot to talk about so we do this show every weekday during the season it's monday drops at 3 p.m eastern on the on three sports youtube channel but you can watch it anytime on demand and then of course we do the instant reaction saturday night show after all the games at 1130 p.m eastern we'd love to have all of you who are new come join us it is the best show in college

Starting point is 00:37:08 football. We have a great time. And yeah, you occasionally get fun facts like Bill Burr was on the pile of money with Huell, which now I need to see the outtakes. Speaking of outtakes, the outtakes of how Sunday went down. There it is. Oh, look at that. The outtakes of how Sunday went down, how Brian Kelly got fired because a little peek behind the curtain. We've been here since 4.30 Eastern ready to go live. Oh, yeah. 430 Eastern. Pete and some stuff was happening and stuff kept happening. Pete Nacos broke this, right? Pete Nacos reported, yes, that he's fired, yes.

Starting point is 00:37:50 You know, but was he the first? He was the first to report that he is fired, yes. Yes, I wanted to publicly shout out our teammate Pete Nacos. You know, you and I were attempting to help him out, but, you know, he was the star of the show. It's really been a pleasure to, watch him watch bitch Naco's flourish and you know he's really good at his job and you know on three has gotten to a point of credibility um and a place of news not just analysis because

Starting point is 00:38:19 in large part of his hard work and his growth so i just wanted to you know say that on the show before we get out of here yeah shout out to Pete Nacos he's the best to Chris Lowe and Brett McMurphy and you and hopefully shout out watching all this go down behind the scenes it it's been a very interesting last few hours i'm hoping that there are details that we'll be able to get verified and we'll be able to share because if if 25% of what we heard is true yeah this story's going to be wild if you cut and pasted our group chat with all the names i just named and then just published it would that sell like a million subs it would but it also would be highly unethical probably yeah we got standards about what we can report so i know i know i just like to think about like

Starting point is 00:39:07 you know what could be but yeah i just been a pleasure you know one of these sundays we're going to get to just watch football without a shirt on and relax but this is the job and you know listen brian kelly had a responsibility and a job to do and he was not able to do it so we had to do our jobs today and i'm happy that we're here and got it done well this is going to just have a lot of tentacles because it is now the best job opening it changes the dynamics of the Florida search of the Penn State search, it'll change the dynamics of the Arkansas search. It'll change the dynamics of the Oklahoma State search because everything just sort of dominoes

Starting point is 00:39:45 down. So get ready. Also cannot end this record long emergency show without you at least making the Ed Orsoran joke. It's right there for you, man. I've been waiting. We had a comment or do it already because we had Edor's run on the show last week. Ari made me present my business plan to Edorjorn. And my business plan for Ed Orgeron is he's the greatest interim coach of all time.

Starting point is 00:40:06 at USCN at LSU and that he should just hire himself out once a year as somebody's interim coach. Like don't worry about going and being somebody's D-Line coach right now. Don't try to get another head coaching job. Just hire yourself out as an interim coach so that when the right moment appears, you come in banging the one heartbeat drum and you lead the team to a win or two that it wasn't going to get another one of that. I'd watch the shit out.

Starting point is 00:40:36 of that. Oh, you wanted to be a TV show, too? I mean, didn't, didn't, yeah, I mean, LSU had access under Brian Kelly. That's true. They gave the Netflix crew about as much access as anybody. Oh, with your sissy blue shirt. Well, I don't think they're going to rehire Ed Orgeron as the interim.

Starting point is 00:40:57 I know some people have brought that up. But I'm telling you, he's still, look, if somebody else is making a change, he's still out there, still waiting. we'll talk to you tomorrow we got a picks show tomorrow and of course on up on all of the fallout from LSU firing Brian Kelly and the coaching search thank you all for being here with us man means a world to us

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