Andy & Ari On3 - Michigan FIRES Sherrone Moore for inappropriate relationship | Who will the Wolverines hire?

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Michigan fired coach Sherrone Moore on Wednesday. In a statement, the school announced that Moore had been fired for cause after the school found “credible evidence that coach Moore engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.” (0:00) Sherrone Moore Fired(14:15) Biff Poggi as the head man(15:17) Presenting Sponsor(17:02) Candidates to replace Sherrone Moore(18:00) Jesse Minter, LA Chargers DC(19:35) Kalen DeBoer, Alabama HC(21:52) Lincoln Riley, USC HC(23:30) Kenny Dillingham, Arizona State HC(27:26) Jedd Fisch, Washington HC(31:04) Eli Drinkwitz, Missouri HC(34:06) Clark Lea, Vanderbilt HC(34:47) Fran Brown, Syracuse HC(38:12) Matt Patricia, Ohio State DC(40:55) Closing Out   What’s next for the Wolverines? After a wild carousel, most jobs are filled. But this is a major job, so it could draw some big-name candidates. Our show is presented by BetMGM! If you haven’t signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code CFB and you will get up to a $1500 First Bet Offer on your first wager with BetMGM! Here’s how it works: 1. Download the BetMGM app and sign-up using bonus code CFB.2. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.3. You will receive up to $1500 in bonus bets if your bet loses! Just make sureyou use bonus code CFB when you sign up! Make this college football season one for the history books. Make it legendary. See BetMGM.com for Terms. 21+ only. US promotional offers not available in New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (Available in the US). Call 877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-327-5050 (MA), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-981-0023 (PR). First Bet Offer for new customers only. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 7 days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel.  This show is also sponsored by Modelo! Some things in life are just made for each other. Peanut Butter and jelly. Macaroni andcheese. Modelo and college football. If you’re watching this, it means you live and breathe football. All season long. You know what that makes you? A Full-Time Fan. Which means you deserve a Modelo. Because football wouldn’t be the same without you. Modelo is the official beer sponsor of The College Football Playoff. Join On3 today and get one full year of access to The Athletic included! https://www.on3.com/subscribe/C Watch our show on YouTube! https://youtube.com/live/t0b9mummFK8 Hosts: Andy Staples, Ari WassermanProducer: River Bailey Interested in partnering with the show? Email [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to an emergency edition of Andy and Ari on 3. You hear the horns. You know what that means. Big news has happened, and this is huge news. We are Andy and Arion 3 presented by BetMGM, and Michigan has fired Sharon Moore for cause. According to a Michigan statement, they have fired head coach Sharon Moore after they found, quote, credible evidence. that coach more engaged in an appropriate relationship with a staff member. And I said this constitutes a clear violation of university policy

and UM maintain zero tolerance for such behavior. So Biff Pogie has been appointed head football coach in the interim capacity, according to the statement. Ari, I don't think Biff's getting the job full time. We'll talk about who might get the job, but let's talk more about this now. Sharon Moore, two seasons into the job, replacing Jim Harbaugh, now fired. Yeah, I mean, it feels like, well, let's just be honest with the audience and each other.

Like, these rumors have been floating around the internet for quite some time. So the fact that- I don't even around the internet. I mean, okay, so we started hearing about this stuff before the season started. So, but you don't know what's true and what's not. You don't know what can be proven and what's not. And so there's not much you can do with that information unless you can prove it, well, Michigan apparently has proven it. And so they will be firing Sharon Moore

and not paying him a dime. Yeah. So, you know, that aspect of it from a moral standpoint, whatever, but we'll save that for probably you guys to discuss. But like Michigan's kind of in a tough situation right now, man, because the coaching carousel by itself was, you know, already kind of, you know, depleted to a certain extent. But for the timing of this, happening what, a week to the date after national signing day the seasons like what is your take on on on on what's going on here and what this means for the michigan program well i'd be curious to see and i don't know if we'll ever find out the timeline of of their investigation and how that worked because if they knew about this and if they had evidence and could do this waiting till today was a

bad idea because you would have wanted to do it before signing day you would have wanted to do it before these because I mean think about the jobs that have been filled Penn State got filled last Friday with Matt Campbell that is one of the names that we would have certainly put up for the Michigan job LSU Auburn Florida have all hired coaches so like there's been big name coaches that have moved around and there have also been coaches who were involved in searches who signed new deals at their new school or at their old school so like Clark Lee interviewed for jobs like he was one of the candidates at Florida I know he interviewed for Penn State.

He ended up staying at Vandy on a new deal. Eli Drinkwitz interviewed at multiple places. He ended up staying at Mizzou on a new deal. So that makes, if you wanted to get some of these guys who were in the mix, even more expensive now because they now have bigger buyouts to pay. But I will say this, Ari, when you fire somebody for cause, you don't spend any money. So if somebody has even a $10 million buyout to get them out of their old job,

that's actually not a bad deal for Michigan because they're not paying Sharon Mora buyout. Yeah, which makes that more dangerous. And of course, if you're Michigan, you're coming off of an era of the most success the football program has enjoyed in my adult life. And, you know, in this specific world of college football, momentum is key. And, you know, as we've seen with Michigan's football program, Andy, like they have dedicated themselves to winning at a level that I would say Michigan wasn't dedicated to five years ago. And what a taste of winning can do to alter a perspective of a university, you know,

and my understanding was that Michigan's, you know, administrators and people above the, weren't that bought in on football. Then they got really good at football and they got a taste of it. And it's like, this is really good for academics too. This is good for admissions. This is good for everybody. It's like we always used to say when they were sort of mucking around and always losing to Ohio State, you can have a kick-ass children's hospital

and a kick-ass football team, too. And they figured that out and they like it. Obviously, it was an interesting or an important cross-section of what to do when Jim Harbaugh left for the Chargers, you know, and they stayed within, promoted within with Sharon Moore, who was an important piece to that national championship. But what they do right now is a really critical moment because you want to keep whatever you can of this recruiting class together if possible,

but you want to keep the momentum of the trajectory of the program headed upward. And like doing it at this moment with the candidates that are available, you might need to go make a splash and spend some of that buyout money on the other end of this to make sure that you get the right guy to make sure that you don't go off the rails here. Because that's an important part of this whole thing. And like that's an interesting point that you made, Andy, too, with the buyout. Like pretend like you fired him without cause as were some of the discussion. that they were having on their message board in the middle of the year when things weren't going well

and go make the biggest splash that you possibly can make go be a sport disruptor and find somebody that can come in and write the ship because things are rocky right now man like they're really wrong yeah and and so like sharon more would have been owed a fortune had he been fired without cause so you know this is this is saving them i may be boymassing this but it is saving them money. So, well, it's not, it would have been 16 and a half million. So kind of in the Hugh Freeze range. It would have been manageable had things gone completely off the rails on the field, I think. But it wouldn't have been, but it's still like most coaches that are currently have hefty buyouts to be hired away from their schools, don't have buyouts that are

that big, right? Like from a, right? Right. Right. 16 million is huge for that type of buyout. Now, people, I think some people get this mixed up. There's two different types of buyouts. There's the one the school has to pay the coach if they fire them without cause. That's the big number. Then there's the one, a school has to pay the other school that they hire the coach away from, which those numbers aren't as big. There are some big ones. I mean, there's some $10 million ones.

Like Jed Fish right now, Washington, 10 million bucks if you want to hire him. The Dan Landing one is massive. I believe it's 20 million. if you wanted to hire him, and he's made abundantly clear he doesn't want to leave Oregon. So they should have, you know, plenty of money to spend. And this is Michigan. They got money. Money's not the problem.

Now, well, how can I ask you? And I know that what happened with Jim Harbaugh and what happened here are very different scenarios. Michigan needs to go hire somebody that's not going to get in trouble for anything for a while. because they keep getting in trouble for different reasons and I understand this has nothing to do with football and this is a personal decision made by a human being in his own time and I am constantly surprised by people who have really good things going who ruin it for inappropriate behaviors. The second time this has happened in the state of Michigan in the last five years with the head coach at Michigan State Mel Tucker got into a similar situation. coming in and taking the Michigan job too is maybe about as much about winning as riding the ship and keeping things off the deep end

a little bit. Well, and remember, you signed the number one quarterback in the country last year. The NIL deal got reported all over the world. You've got Bryce Underwood now. This also will be an interesting test for these contracts because I'm pretty sure Bryce Underwood has a deal. deal that ties him to Michigan for multiple years.

That if he wanted to leave, that would not be very easy to do. So my guess is you can get Bryce Underwood to stay here. And that the new coach is probably coming into Coach Bryce Underwood. Well, interesting enough, too, if they go hire somebody maybe with a pretty extensive or exciting offensive acumen, that might actually be a sales pitch, you know, to keep him. Because, you know, you can make the case. And I think a lot of the people that root for Michigan noticed that, you know, there wasn't a lot of progression in the passing attack as the year went on.

And they were a little bit worried that Underwood might go try to find somewhere that could develop a more as a passer regardless of this happening. So, you know, I think that, you know, you have to go make the coach independent of what your star quarterback is going to want or do. As we talked about, Andy, there's always another quarterback. But certainly, you know, you put a year into this kid. He played for you for a year. He's shown really exciting up.

at times during his freshman year. That's probably somebody I might want to hold on to. Absolutely. And the thing is, Michigan is one of those schools. And I know people don't like to hear this. Like certain schools do recruit themselves or are bigger than a coach. Michigan's bigger than a coach. And I think this is not a case where this is going to be a mass exodus of players.

I think there's probably a lot of players who want to be players at Michigan. And so I don't think. that's something that they need to be as worried about. It's something you need to be cognizant of in this era, period. You do need to hire a coach here in the next week or so because the portal does open on January 2nd. But I do think this is one of those schools that you're going to have an easier time keeping your roster together.

I agree with that. I agree with that. Now the question really isn't just who they're going to hire, but does Michigan have to go hire somebody that, is going to illustrate the same type of culture building that has been important to them the past four years. Do you want to go get a person that's cut from that ilk, or do you want to start over and get somebody that's not a Michigan man, somebody who's not, you know, pound the ball and defensive line and all the things that they've done, or do you try to find that? Like, that's an

interesting thing, too, because it's not just who you hire. It's what you hire. I think you just try to hire the best coach you can at this point. The Harbaugh tree, it's interesting because there's not that much of a hard bar tree to speak of because he took a lot with him. And we'll talk about that. When we get to the whole candidate list, there's one guy working with Jim Harbaugh right now, but I'll explain why it would be kind of difficult to hire him. So I think you've got to go look in the college ranks right now and you've got to find somebody who's been a good college head coach. Or, you know, maybe it's a hot coordinator, but honestly, the hot coordinators have pretty much all been hired.

Yeah, except one that I can think of. Glenn Schumann at Georgia, that's the one that didn't get a job. Will Stein in Oregon, he got the Kentucky job. So, yeah, this is going to be fascinating to watch. It is. Sharon Moore's time at Michigan, I mean, it's crazy to think how this all just fell apart. because this is a guy is the O.C with Jim Harbaugh.

Jim Harbaugh gets suspended for six different games in 2023. Seron Moore serves as the acting head coach and play caller and wins those games, helps them win a national title, gets the job. Harbaugh's departure put him in a bad spot timing-wise, and I think it hurt them roster-wise for that first season under Moore. But I don't think the Michigan fan base,

was completely bought in on Sharon Moore after after two seasons now look it sounds like they were going to fire him no matter what it sounds like when you when you find this you can fire him you don't have to pay him anything they're going to fire him so uh techmataxis somebody wanted this to get out yes they announced it so yes they they did want it to get out yeah i mean i i don't know the depths of what they found but I don't think this is that he wasn't winning enough thing

I think this was going to happen or probably could have happened regardless I think if this relationship had not been had not happened or if they couldn't have proven anything they would have kept your own more I do think you would have been

kind of on the hot seat going to next season but and that's listen it's college football so you'd think if somebody had two straight undefeated seasons as head coach maybe they'd be like oh we didn't hear anything yeah yeah but if you were already going to start the season on

hot seat and this i mean if we were hearing about this before the season started everybody in an arbor knew everybody had to know what was going on so when the season ends and it's not you're not where you want to be that's probably a bad sign yeah so my assumption you know with the new calendar and all that stuff is michigan should probably act quickly or do they have time to kind of get their bearings and make sure they get the right higher like what's your thought process on when they when does michigan need to have a new head coach in place in your mind i think as soon as possible as soon as possible because the the transfer portal opens january second you certainly have to have one before then but you also need to have one because

right now every other school is coming at your roster they're they're coming at your now that they're they're they're not supposed to but they are they're coming out your roster and you need someone manning the ship making sure that the people you want to stay stay and like I said before I think that will be easier at Michigan because I do think that's it's the kind of place that people pick the school not necessarily the coach so I think there's a good chance now Bif Pogi is in charge right now. Biff Poggi is the friend of Jim Harbaugh, former Charlotte coach. He was an assistant at Michigan before he got the Charlotte up.

He got fired at Charlotte. He ran a hedge fund. He built a powerhouse high school program in Baltimore. He's led a very interesting life. River, you have the clip. Good question. I want to keep my sugar art a little bit. No, no problem.

He's the first person I've ever interviewed who kept a cigar lit throughout the entire interview, which was amazing. But he's holding the till right now, but that's not a permanent solution. So they are going to have to try to figure out who they want. And Ari, we're going to talk some names right after these words from Bed MGM. We are presented by BedMGM. We use BedMGM lines and totals. and you can join us by joining bedmgm. If you have not signed up for bed MGM yet, use the bonus code CFB as in college football, CFB,

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They made that mistake with more, Alex says. DB on YouTube says with a timeline sitting on investigating this, would we be surprised if they already ran back channels on a search. crazy if they hired somebody by Friday. I would not be shocked at all, Ari, if they've already been doing their homework on candidates. That would not surprise me in the least. And what's interesting about this is there were so many jobs open and so many big jobs open.

And again, the last big job that got filled was Penn State. That was Matt Campbell on Friday. Who's Michigan's candidate, ideally, I think. Matt Campbell would have been a number one on this list if this had happened. last week. So this will be interesting. Let me talk Jesse Mentor right away, because Jesse Mentor's a name that's come up a lot. He's the defensive coordinator for the Chargers, was the defensive coordinator at Michigan when they won the national championship. He's with Jim Harbaugh right now. A couple things about Jesse Mentor, why I don't think it will be him. He has a show cause from the

NCAA. It's actually over something stupid. Everybody thinks it's over the Conor Stallions thing. it's over sending text messages to a recruit when you weren't supposed to send text messages to a recruit but he had a one year show cause and the penalty attached to it is you can't employ him in any athletic really related position until the show cause is up and it's up in April of this year of 2026 so hire him as the food and beverage coordinator like they did with ace rosteen and the movie casino they could theoretically they could and then but then he couldn't talk to recruits. He couldn't do anything. But he'd be like, yeah, he's coming. He'll be here in April. He'll be the end of April. He's our guy. You could, I guess, do that. The other probably more pressing problem is Jesse Mentor's probably getting an NFL head coaching job this cycle. Yeah. And I feel like the timing of all that would just kind of be prohibitive. Yes, I would agree with that. So I think it's got to be a sitting head coach. Probably, you know, I don't know that you're going to go get an NFL. head coach, because again, they're not done for a while.

NFL assistant, I guess you could get. They probably could leave now. But let me throw a name out there that was thrown out a bunch during the Penn State search, and it was never serious. This person was never leaving. I know who it is. Kalin to board Alabama. I don't think he would leave, but I do think you should ask.

This is the coach of the Washington team that Michigan played in the national title. title game a couple years ago. Kaelin Boar is an excellent head coach. He has been pilloried during his time at Alabama. He made the playoff, but they're still mad at him right now. So you've got that going on. I do think most rational Alabama fans are like, no, Kailin's a good coach.

He should be here long term. I don't know that Kailin DeBore would want to leave, but I think you should call him. I mean, is that another calendar? It's not. Well, yeah, he's playing. he's playing on Friday night. Games.

Would he be the first coach who has been hired away by another team? I was going to say, but what we find, would that be another one of those? Would it be leave the team and go take the job situation? It's a great question. I don't know if it would because Michigan is not a rival of Alabama. Now, they do meet on the recruiting trail. But by the time everything is done for Alabama, the portal might still not be open. I mean, Alabama would have to win two games in the play for that to even come into play.

Could you imagine? Like, I don't, I don't know if I, I don't think this is going to happen. But I don't even imagine if Alabama lost their coach who willingly left while coaching their team in the playoff and was recruiting for Michigan while he was, that would be insane. Okay, yeah, you've taught me. There's no way. They would, they would tell him to go pound sand. Yeah, they wouldn't.

So, I mean, maybe they would. I don't think Kailen Dabor would do that. Yeah. I don't think he'd leave his team. Is that a commentary on Lane Kiffin? It's a commentary on Kailin DeBore. I don't think you'd do that. Yeah. So, I mean, I think anybody who's in a situation like that would have a hard time leaving,

especially now that they're already prepping for a game. That's, by the way, I don't know if you realize this, in nine days. Yes, Friday of next week. Yeah. Yes. So basically, I think, I think they're fine there. another name that was floating around during all these coaching searches, because their representation was putting their name out there, Lincoln Riley, USC coach. Now, here's another issue I would have.

I don't think Lincoln Riley has done the job that USC hired him to do. So I don't know if you would necessarily want to hire him in Michigan because of that. Yeah. Do you feel like if your administration and fan base wouldn't be heartbroken to see you go, that that's the right thing for Michigan to do in a critical moment? I don't. If USC would be happy if he left, and by the way, if he did leave USC for any reason, the first name we would be throwing out there was Kalin Nabor,

because USC athletic director Jen Cohen employed Kalin-Abor at Washington. So I'm sorry, Alabama people that we keep bringing it up. I'm just sorry. Yeah, but, yeah, this, again, this is another person, and I know that you've had some personal conversations with people in your neighborhood or around your neighborhood about USC's, I mean, sorry, Lincoln Riley's flirtation or the flirtation of the idea of Lincoln Riley to Florida, and that was never going to happen. I think flortation of the idea is more likely, because I don't think he was ever a serious. No, that's what I meant. Like, sorry, it sounded like I meant that he was wanting to go or floated with them. I think it was the flirtation of the idea because they heard of him.

I don't know that he was interested or they were interested at all. Yeah, I wouldn't like this higher for them. Yeah, I wouldn't either for Michigan. No. Let me give you one that I would like that I think would be awesome if they got him. This geographically doesn't make, you know, this person's never worked in that area, but this is a guy who I think can coach anywhere, Kenny Dillingham in Arizona State. I would have recommended Kenny Dillingham

for any open job this year. Yeah. He is at home. He grew up there, but he's about to lose his quarterback. We know Sam Levitt's going on in the transfer portal. But Kenny Dillingham could coach anywhere in the country. He took over a dumpster fire at Arizona State

and had them winning very quickly. Do you know what I think about when I think about Kenny Dillingham? Hmm. At Big 12 Media Day, and it was a weird day. You and I were separated for a large portion of the day for some reason. We were there together, but we weren't sitting together. But do you remember his podium, his appearance at the podium? He made this comment that is stuck with me because I was like, man, yeah, that guy gets it.

And he said, it was really awesome. And I'm, this is a summary. This isn't a quote. It was awesome that Arizona State was able to accomplish the heights to which it did to win the Big 12, to push Texas all the way to its brand. in a game that they basically won and all those things. But the only thing that's important to him is the sustained success of the program and that there are

teams that have flare-ups of success the way that Arizona State did and then go back to being mediocre the next year. Now Arizona State got dealt kind of a crappy hand this year with some injuries at the quarterback and all that. And they weren't completely irrelevant and technically we're alive in the Big 12 race in November.

But the slide back to Earth that they experienced despite having one of best quarterback receiver combinations in the country heading into the year, and I wonder if he's had to have some uncomfortable conversations with himself about the ability to sustain success year over year at Arizona State. And if he's willing to take up high care. I mean, they lost their quarterback and still went eight and four,

and we're the only team that beat Texas Tech. No, but I wonder, like, if you have to have a real discussion with yourself about, is this possible here? And I know that that's, that's a tough pill to swallow because I know that the man likes living in Phoenix and, you know, has thought that Arizona State could be a destination job that he brings back. But once you taste that success, do you have to ask yourself, can I do that again or should I, you know, strike while the iron's hot and go to a place where it's not quite as hard to do that? Yeah, because I don't know that you're going to be able to win

the national title of Arizona State. Unless you get a billionaire Cody Campbell style booster like Texas Tech has. Arizona State does not have that from what we know. Michigan has that. Michigan has multiples of that. Michigan has graduates who marry billionaires and get them to give money to get number one quarterbacks. Every single time you say that I still can't stop thinking about how insane that is. Larry Ellison went to Illinois. If I was a billionaire, My wife was like, will you just fund A&M's NIL? I mean, I guess I would probably do it because it would be my wife. Of course you would do it.

It's such a wild thing to do. It's like, because Illinois was actually happy life. But like wasn't Illinois, like remember where Illinois was like in the off season? They could have written some fat checks and made Illinois. Illinois has multiple billionaires. Larry Ellison, Shot Khan, the owner of the Jaguars is in Illinois grad. He's busy decking out Jacksonville Jaguars locker room. And he is, he's not donating much.

Is he? I don't know. But I will tell you, like the opportunity is there for Michigan. The NIL is not going to be a problem. They clearly want to play ball. So that's why if I'm Kenny Dillingham or anybody else, I have to seriously consider this. I have to.

Give you another one. This is another coach in the Big Ten now. Jed Fish at Washington. You and I know him quite well. He was at your alma mater for three years. And I mean, the job he did at Arizona, I don't even know if there are words for it because it was such a disaster when he got there

to get it righted within two years. And really, through high school recruiting, not through portaling, but through high school recruiting, it was really impressive. You know, I feel like when you're, If you're Jed Fish, like, I understand why he took the Washington job. You go from the Pack 12 to the Big Ten, and, you know, you put yourself in a program

that, you know, was in a national championship game recently, and Washington's probably a top, what, 30 program in the country. I always wonder about him of, like, if he would have just stayed at U of A one more year, kept all the pieces together. Yeah, no, if a feed it's right. Going to Tedaro of McMill in that last year. And, like, actually, like, saw that through for another year. But where would he have been, where would he have gone?

Because there were no jobs at the end of last year. Yeah. You would have to say two more years. Yeah. And then you risk a backslide and then you become less sexy. Like, I mean, I get it. But I just feel like Jed Fish's name always comes up and this is a person that has hopped from job to job. and he has a pretty expensive buyout from Washington.

And it's like, I wonder if he would be the Florida coach right now if he never left. $10 million buyout from Washington. So that is, that's what you got to think about. But again, if you're missing, you're not paying a buyout to Sharon Moore. So this is as coaching changes go, it's still going to be relatively inexpensive, even if you hire somebody who has a big buyout. JD31 sports with a suggestion, by the way, are you ready? Yeah.

Lane Kiffin. Can they do it? I mean, given everything we've seen, why not? No, Lane Kiffin is not leaving LSU. I think he's pretty happy at LSU. Do you think Lane Kiffin has scoped in on this today, though, in a way that he might not have been otherwise if there wasn't a certain state of Louisiana quarterback connection?

What are you talking about? Bryce Underwood is. Price Underwood's from Michigan. I understand that. He was committed to LSU, right? Like, I get it. Yeah, so what? I don't know.

like maybe he transfers down there. Yeah, I mean, maybe Lake Kippen's going to try to steal Bryce Underwood for LSU. That's what I mean. Yeah, that's what I was in point. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and he might be thinking of that. Yeah. It's like, hey, you know, you liked us at one point.

You know, we didn't, you know, we can bid higher now. We got a little guarantee going. I think NACO's put Brian Kelly, speaking of LSU. I think NACO's put Brian Kelly on the list. I don't. I wouldn't do that. Yeah. You know, what's so crazy about this, Andy,

is that if you made a joke list, you could really have some fun with this. Like a joke. John Gruden. Tomorrow. John Gruden, right there. Three names that would be funny to put on a hotboard. Urban Meyer.

Mm-hmm. Oh, for Michigan, of course. Conor Stallion. Yes. I think he's got a show cause. What, he didn't play out his penalty when he was the high school coach in the area for a while? No, believe it or not, he has not. yeah um man

Brian Kelly is in the thumbnail uh Andy Eli drinkwitz Clark Lee they signed extensions who are yes let's talk let's talk let's talk about him right now because I'm just telling you guys if if Michigan hired Eli drinkwitz he would drive the Ohio state people insane it would be so good for the rivalry wouldn't it the level of smack talk the level of one-liners, it would be incredible. And this is a guy who knows what he's doing with NIL. He basically got the laws changed in Missouri,

so he could get a better NIL situation. And I said this when he was looking at various jobs before. This is a guy who recruits above the school's station in life. Like Missouri, during his time, has gotten the number one defensive lineman in the country. They have signed the number one receiver in the country. like they do not play around as far as recruiting goes it's not like oh he he's at missouri he just takes what he can get no no no they go get them and i think at michigan where you're going to have more because because in missouri you still only have a limited amount of money and and

you know that level of support you're not going to be able to go get everybody but in michigan you can go get everybody you know we're probably going to have another 90 minute conversation about this because this is so interesting but the thing that i want to It'll be the Thursday show, too. So get your questions in. Oh, okay. So I don't want to blow tomorrow's show. But if Michigan were just open during the coaching carousel that we just went through,

you know, with Florida, Ole Miss, the other openings, where would you have ranked Michigan as a job in relation to those? Would you rank Michigan ahead of Florida? Yes. It would be LSU 1, Michigan, 2, Florida 3, Auburn 4, Penn State, somewhere in the middle there? Florida and Penn State, I'd put in about the same place. Penn State a little bit lower than just because of the circumstances of firing James Franklin,

who won 10, 11 games a year. And then not signing a recruiting class. Right, right. Because there's just so much more pressure on Matt Campbell at Penn State because he's replacing someone who's so successful. That's a ton of pressure at Michigan, too, right now. Right. And at LSU for Lane Diffin, obviously.

But, no, I would put it, LSU, Michigan would have been the way I would rank it. Like, if this job were open six weeks ago, do you think that they would have hired one of the coaches that got hired already? I think they're, I think they would hire Matt Campbell. Yeah. So if, because Matt Campbell also seems like the type of dude you would want in the scenario,

uh, personally, um, I'm trying to think of like other coaches who remind me of Matt Campbell. You ready? I got one. Who? And he,

he's, he's been in the, in the carousel and actually was, was, was heavily praised. in the last few days for his response to his team not making the playoff. That would be Vanderbilt's Clark Lee. Yeah.

Clarkley did interview for different jobs. I reported on the Florida search. I did the interview with Scott Strickland. He didn't tell me who the other non-Lane Kiff and non-John Sumerall serious candidate was, but through talking to people, it was Clark Lee. So he did take that a little bit seriously. he ended up signing an extension at Vanderbilt. But again, if you are Michigan, you have the capability to pay a fairly hefty buyout.

We don't know what Clark Lee's buyout is at Vanderbilt now because it's a private school. They don't have to tell us anything. But he's certainly somebody I would probably talk to. How about a curveball here? And it's somebody that I'm personally obsessed with and I think would absolutely make it rain in Michigan. Go for it. And I don't know if he's hireable right now because things didn't go well on the field this year. Fran Brown. Could you imagine? I can imagine he would get a really good roster together. And

unfortunately for Fran, the season was so bad this year after Steve Angelly went down that it's going to be, he's going to need another good year at Syracuse before he starts getting mentioned for these types of jobs again. Yeah. And maybe he's the cautionary tale of why you leave when you can. I don't know. There are no jobs. They couldn't leave. Was he going to take Wake Forest? Yeah. No, you're right. Last year's cycle was so bad. nine compared to this one. Well, because everybody was waiting. Everybody was saying, oh, rep share is coming.

We don't know if we're going to have any money. And then everybody's like, oh, we do have some money. Let's fire everybody. So that's obviously not what happened in Michigan. But don't you think you've seen enough? Like, I think he would do well there. I think he would, I think you would put together an elite roster anywhere. I do need to see more of coaching on the field because he won nine games in Syracuse

the first year. I know, but do you think they lost games this year because he didn't coach well enough on the fielders because they didn't have a quarterback, which is also his fault. Yeah. I know. They did have like a game quarterback who can throw and they didn't. So. Yeah. Okay. Who else?

Smith CP1 in the chat. We're going to load one more. If Michigan can't get a Harbaugh brother, it's time to get a Harbaugh brother-in-law. That's right. Michigan football coach, Tom Crean. For those who don't know, Tom Crean, longtime college basketball coach Coach Duane Wade at Marquette I believe took them to the final four

and then coached to Georgia as well I think he's doing TV now yes he is the Harbaugh's brother-in-law he married Jim and John's sister and yeah he's a huge college football fan by the way yeah somebody in the chat called he watches a show every once in a while

stop acting like you watched Syracuse you would be disgusted if you knew what I was bro do you know what links we went to to watch that Friday night, Syracuse. Who was serious playing that Friday night? Because we couldn't get the channel on. Don't tell me who we're watching, buddy. You wouldn't even know.

Oh, North Carolina. It was the Syracuse, North Carolina game on the Friday night. Yeah. We just come on here and just talk about things that we don't watch, you know. I think that the baseline level. They started a long stick midi at quarterback. By the way, you don't have to be a football podcaster. If you just said that sentence, that's compelling television for everybody.

like that's like insane um we uh we we need to watch like it's the baseline level of like you know if you're an accountant you have to be semi good at math you know if you are a college podcast or you kind of have to watch the games oh here we go we got we got some folks in in the chat that they've heard my rants oh here's a good one here's a hot coordinator one that it's funny because the people who live there will immediately really recoil when I say the name for various reasons, but it's actually not a bad thought. Nice try, says Matt Patricia is going to be the head coach at Michigan. Matt Patricia, the current defensive coordinator at Ohio State,

also fired head coach of the Detroit Lions, which is why the locals are going to be like, but he's actually done really well in his one year of college. And I think if you put him with the right personnel people, that actually is something, at least have a conversation with the man. know, I know I'm Mr. Ohio State Homer, but I'm going to say something that's not so flattering for Matt Patricia in the moment. He has the best players in the world. Did you see the on three American list today?

Yeah. Four of the 11 players were Ohio State players. Right. Who's not doing well? Like, I'm not saying he didn't do a great job. Yeah. How many coordinators in the country could have had a pretty great defense with those players? Or you could have had a great defense.

But listen, the man. The man's done a good job this year. Everybody, the players are raving about him. He carries a pencil and a laminated play sheet. How often do you think he actually uses the pencil? He can't. His play sheet is laminated. I know, but like, do you think that there's ever a time where he's like, oh, thank

God I have this pencil or do you think it's complete vanity? Maybe he has a scan tron test that just happens at halftime? You know, my wife got me a pocket knife once for, Speaking of things Ari will never use. And she's like, you should just have it on you or in your car because like most men in Texas have a knife on them at all times, which by the way, was never heard about it. But that's a gun, not a knife.

I've had this pocket knife for 18 months. I've never used it once. I do appreciate her folks in the chat, though, Ari, who have heard my rants. Mike Gundy, Dabo Sweeney Like these are I love it They're not serious

They're But I guarantee you If we go to the Wolverines Message Board right now Somebody is in earnest Putting Dabo Sweeney's name But Andy I think that this is like

Kind of a funny thing That we're enjoying ourselves And coming up with cool names Like Mark Stoops just popped up I saw Dan Mullen But I also think that it highlights The kind of general Tough situation that Michigan's in

Yeah Because like you know Like listen and there could be a coordinator out there. Like, I actually think Mark Stoops could do a pretty good job there. Is a defensive coordinator? Well, Michigan would recruit some of the high schools, and I think that he, I don't even know if that matters anymore,

but he'd be very familiar with the recruiting. I don't think Larry Ellison takes care of that. What about Matt Rule? No. Let the man live in Lincoln in peace. He assigned his extension. Let him live in Lincoln in peace. Yeah.

Hold on. I wrote a big board of names that were atypical that I'm trying to find. So can you vamp for a second? I'm going to see if there's any that we haven't mentioned on here. I'm just trying to figure out who we think is really serious. I think Dillingham is somebody I would absolutely call Jedfish. Remember, Jedfish does have a connection to Jim Harbaugh. He was Jim Harbaugh's offensive coordinator at Michigan for a period. so it's not like there's no connection whatsoever he's worked in the in the harbaugh machine and understands that culture but also did a really good job building his own culture at Arizona and i and i think he's done a good job so far at washington so okay andy okay go for some of them have been hired well most of them have been hired but here's like what about like a guy

like uh willie fritz what about willie fritz how about actual willie fritz instead of a guy like Willie Fritz. Yeah. All the names that I put on here got hired. Maybe I should get like a Jeff Brom. Willie Fritz didn't get hired. I know. He's the only one on the list besides him and Jeff Brom. Fran Brown got hired, Heartline got hired, Schumann did not get hired. Jeff Brom's a guy I talked to. Yeah. Will Stein got hired. Eric Morris hired,

Silverfield hired, Golish hired, Chesney hired. So like all my, all of them are gone. Look at that. You should be a search firm. Don't you think I should get like 1% of one of the deals? I don't know. Who'd you put over the top? That's what I want to know. Like who was it had a school looking at him and they just like, I don't know. Ari says we should hire him.

That's the guy. Heartline. Okay. His entire success is because of me. 1% of Mike Hartline's USF deal. I'll call his agent and see if we can get that set up. Yeah. So I'm excited to see where they go, Andy.

And I wonder if there are like coordinators or names out there that aren't layups that they could do that might be like, okay, what's a risk? And they pop out of nowhere. But this is certainly not an easy situation. And I know that this became lighthearted at the end, but like it's actually a very serious matter. So. Well, right. It's, it's serious and unfortunate. And there's going to be, you know, there's a lot of people who didn't do anything wrong that are going to get probably the worst of this. And that sucks, you know, because there are going to be people who lose. their jobs that work in the Michigan football building because when coaches changes happen people lose their jobs and they didn't do anything. Somebody did something wrong with they didn't. And then obviously Sharon Moore's

family you feel for. Yeah. You know, we didn't say Marcus Freeman's name. He's the head coaching candidate or job candidate. You're not getting Marcus Freeman. You're not getting Dan Lanning. You're not getting Kurt Signetty.

I never stopped. It never ceases to amaze me what people will do when they have like life cut out for them in a good way. Like it blows my mind what people throw away for something stupid. It is, it's terrible, terrible. One name in the chat that a coordinator that was thrown out there, and I'm not finding in the chat now, and I'm sorry, I'd like to give you credit for it. but Brian Haynes, the defensive coordinator, Indiana. That is somebody that you actually probably should take a look at. If you're Michigan, talk to him.

James in the chat, James Palmer. If you're Michigan, you should give him a call at least see what he says. I don't know. You're probably going to hire a sitting head coach, but this is a guy who I think is going to be heavily involved in next year's coaching carousel as a potential head coach. Andy, we have made it to the point in the live reaction show where Georgia fans have showed up to, like, prop up Mike Bobo.

Oh, yeah, Matt, no, no. Matt did that a while back. Matt is one of our most dedicated and loyal viewers and listeners, and any time a head coaching job opens, Matt recommends Mike Bobo. And I got to tell you, Matt, I think you're wrong right now. I think Mike Bobo is kicking ass. I do. Have you seen Georgia's office? No, I'm not laughing at your opinion.

I'm laughing at, like, how much he hates him. it is amazing it is he his single-mindedness is amazing and the dedication is incredible i don't feel like he's alone i think there's a lot of georgia fans that feel the same way i just yeah i think they just are perpetually mad at mike bobo and look after the other night after the texas game after much of the late season i don't get it the guy's doing really well he's turned gunner stocked into a good quarterback like stop so but we'll see what happens with michigan i'm fascinated to see who gets this job how quickly that happens and and i'm assuming too we're going to let the dust settled for the rest of the evening and we'll be coming right back with this being the

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