Andy & Ari On3 - Ohio State coach Ryan Day knows THE MISSION | Will Hugh Freeze change QBs at Auburn?

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

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Oh, shoot. Welcome to Andy Staples on three. Wait, that's not the name of the show anymore. It's Andy and Ari on three. I wasn't even going to correct. I thought I would eventually do that. I don't know if I'm surprised that it happened this early or I'm surprised that it took this long,

but you say the same thing for over a year and you get. Yeah, you know what it reminded me of? It reminded me of the Nick Saban radio show at Baumhauer's. And the host of the radio show called Kalen DeBoer, Coach Saban, like the first time he was there for the radio show. Yeah, I mean, that's serious muscle memory there. That's just how it works. Well, it is Andy and Ari on three. We are blessed to have Ari Wasserman here.

And we are blessed to have an incredible guest on today's show, Ohio State Head Coach Ryan Day. Ari, we're going to be talking incredible guest on today's show, Ohio State head coach Ryan Day. Ari, we're going to be talking to him in just a minute. This is a guy, listen, he has been beaten and battered throughout the offseason for not being able to beat Michigan, but I would say probably stocked his team better than anybody else this offseason other than maybe Lane Kiffin. Yeah, on one hand, because Ryan Day is such a nice person, you kind of feel bad for the fact

that he has taken as much flack as he has. And I've given him quite a bit in columns in the past. But the reality of the situation is that beating Western Michigan 49-0 and winning a bunch of Big Ten games against Maryland and Rutgers is not the job. That's right. The job is to beat Michigan. The job is to win national titles in each of the last three years, which I think is the longest streak since I was on the beat starting in 2009

of not winning a Big Ten championship. That is just partially because Michigan came up and became one of the most consistent programs of the last three years, but partially because I think he's had some game day failures in that game. And I think that he would probably be the first to acknowledge that, you know, whatever has been happening, uh, has to change. So, you know, on one hand, Ohio state's in a very interesting position right now because they have a roster that is able to compete for a national championship, maybe the deepest, most talented roster in the country. That helps people forget about what happened the last three years a little bit. But the pressure is off the scale because you cannot fail with a roster that's that's this talented and this deep.

No, no. And we'll talk to him about that. And, you know, we've, we've joked, you and I have joked about this. Like, is Ryan day enough of a psychopath to succeed at Ohio state? Because we think about the really successful head coaches, your Nick Saban's, your urban Myers. They are not the type of person you would expect to bump into at the PTA meeting. And Ryan day is exactly. Yeah.

It's it, but maybe you can do that. I mean, I think we're kind of seeing that with Kalen to board Alabama too. Like, can he do that? And also, is that what you have to be in this new environment? Yeah. Now that you have a whole new different sliver of talent retention and relationships when it comes to keeping players from going in the portal, I and i you know here's the thing like you could call having covered urban meyer and we both did yeah but my entire career was the beginning of it was the seven years of urban meyer and columbus you know he is a robot to a certain extent you know it's get stuff done when you know he he ruled in that way he wasn't a very personable

guy right now like I saw glimpses at times with the cameras off where he became funny and, and, and a little bit different, but I'm wondering now if the pendulum is going to have to swing back from robot to person in a way that you have to be more likable and nice and caring, and you have to remember people's names and all the things that are important of just human basic relationships. Yeah. We had a,

we had a former Ohio state play that we bumped into who talking about dealing with Ryan day, dealing with urban Meyer and this person who was a really good player at Ohio state in the past is like explaining, like getting introduced to urban Meyer, like five times in the first week. And, and like the fifth intro finally stuck. Yeah. Yeah. explaining getting introduced to Urban Meyer five times in the first week. And the fifth intro finally stuck.

Yeah, and I saw it happen with recruits and stuff too. And I was like, there are some people that are just like that. Steve Spurrier, he would call you my man if he didn't remember your name. And that's almost everybody's my man. Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of like that too, where somebody will introduce themselves and then four minutes later, I'm like, what's this person's name?

Like you, some people just have a gift and a knack like Mac Brown probably has the gift on the other end. Oh, he remembers your name, how it's spelled, what your wife's name is. You brought him a Coke in a in a in a restaurant 12 years ago. You remember who you are. So, you know, that's not it's not a criticism of Urban Meyer. It's just a a thought process of the type of personality you have to have to be successful. Cause even when he was coaching, there were people who loved the, the idea of playing for him, a meritocracy, you win every single rep of every single day.

And there's some people who didn't want to play for, they wanted to play for Dabo Sweeney type. I mean, personalities vary, but I wonder when you think about the most successful coaches in college football right now, Andy, which ones would you say would mirror the Saban or Meyer? The only one is Kirby smart. And he was an all American safety. I will say Kirby smart around football players is not the Kirby smart.

You see in the media, Kirby smart, like Bob Stoops was like this, where he had a different persona for the media and a different persona for around his team. And it was a lot more like that. And I think both of those guys have the same trait though. They were both good players in college.

And so for Kirby Smart, like every player who comes to Georgia at some point is reminded that Kirby Smart was an all SEC safety like he can do more because they respect that he can go harder because they respect that I think it's harder if you weren't a dog in college you you didn't already do the thing these guys are trying to do yeah and you you're so bogged down in process as a head coach you you know, and we know that as the sport progresses, the number of minutes spent on football diminishes and decrease every year, you know, and there's so much more to this than

there used to be. And really five years ago, I still would have said that 75 or 80% of the job was talent accumulation. Now it's talent retention. Now it's nil fundraisers and all the different things that a coach has to do that has nothing to do with football when football is the main qualification for getting the job all right well before we get to ryan day i want to remind you that andy and ari on three is presented by wendy's you've had wendy's nugs dipped in sauce but have you had them covered in sauce wendy's new saucy nugs. Take the crispy and spicy nugs you love and turn them up to 11. Choose between flavors like buffalo, honey barbecue, garlic parm,

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walk down the halls and you see the coaches that have come before and then you continue down and you just learn more and more about what the program is for people who are coming in for the first time or recruits. But whether you're recruiting or you're a coach, one thing about Ohio state is you have to understand you know the history of the program where it's come before and and why we're where we are right now and then and then where we're going because there's so many changes going on in college football so i think it's very very important and we do a you know as good a job

anybody of selling our traditions and our history here at Ohio State because again I think it's it's very important for our guys now more than ever to understand why it is the way it is why is our fan base so passionate and then where are we going as we move forward and making sure that we're making the decisions that are best for what we have right I've asked you a lot of questions over the years and I've got some interesting funny questions that are kind of serious so let me just ask you this out of the gate here. It's a podcast. We're just chilling. So you guys are up 42-0 on Saturday.

It's happening, Andy. You tried to talk me out of it. And you're facing fourth and one from your own territory with a freshman quarterback who was a five-star in high school. And you might have thought about punting or running the ball but you run this wonderfully designed play that springs a touchdown did you know what the total for the game was the over under and how happy it was the people leaving he told me not to do it but but it's funny because in a world where people who come to your games are judging you based on those

numbers how aware if at all are you of these things and does it change the way that you guys approach what the expectation is going into a game yeah no it i know i know that's real so it's it's definitely a fair question um but no no no, no, it, I honestly, when we got done with the game, I didn't even know what the score was. I'm being dead serious because you know, what we're trying to do, and I think you can see us just coaching on the sideline and getting after it and trying to coach these guys up is we're trying to get as many reps as we possibly can for our, our guys, because, you know, we've learned, you know, in the past and I've learned in the past how and I've learned in the past,

how important that is, because in this season in particular, it's going to be more games, and these guys have got to be ready to play. So these are valuable, valuable reps, and what we can't do is just take the air out of the ball and just say, okay, let's just get out of the game. Sometimes it puts us in a little bit of a situation in terms of our respecting our opponent. You'd say, well, it's fourth and one. Why don't you just punt the ball and move on and get out of the game?

Well, that's a rep that Julian's saying can't get back. That's a rep for Bennett Christian catching a touchdown pass. And you learn about these types of things. And so we're trying to get as many reps as we possibly can, so respecting our opponent in that moment. But I just felt like the more these guys can play, the better off we're going to be as we move forward. Get it on film, grade it.

And then there's something about you remember and you learn. And some of our guys for the first time are out there learning because they make mistakes, you learn. If you've done it before, then you can remember. But the only way to do that is to actually do it in the game. And so that's really what we're focused on. We'll look up at the end of the game and see what the score is. How much more critical is that now, not just because of the playoff where you might have to play 16 games,

but also because the way NIL and the transfer portal have worked, I feel like it's a more efficient market now. The guys who would have been sitting here or sitting at Alabama or sitting at Georgia waiting to start aren't. They're going somewhere else to play. So when you have the opportunity to get Julian Say in a fourth and three, how important is it to have that? It's huge. It's huge. And so that's one example. But when you look at NFL rosters who play as many games as they play and now close to as many as we're going to play, it isn't always the top end guys you're talking about. I mean, they turn over their roster constantly, like in the bottom 10% to 15%.

Well, when somebody gets hurt now, you can't just sign somebody off of waivers. So it's everybody involved. It's the fourth-string running back. It's the third-string left guard. It's, you know, for instance, in the game on Saturday, Denzel Burkett gets taken out for targeting. I mean, what a great example of how Jermaine Mathias is stepping that game and play at a high, high level. And then what if Jermaine goes down in the game? Now you're on to your third

or fourth guy. And so all of these guys getting rips is going to be important because you can't just sign somebody off of waivers. And that's also important for practice. It's important for morale. So yeah, I'm glad we got that done the first couple of games. Ryan, you guys bring a lot of really highly talented recruits into this program year over year. You know, transfers that come in are also ready-made guys. The talent level on this roster, I've seen firsthand for over a decade of where it is in comparison to most other places. But can you contextualize for me just how good Jeremiah Smith is at receiver? I mean, we were having a legitimate conversation with Bill Landis at dinner last night about whether or not you could even compare him to Marvin,

and the guy's been on campus for, what, a few months? Like, a real conversation of how good is he? Is he, can he, is that a crazy thing to even be talking about? Well, I think, I don't think it's crazy for you guys to be talking about it.

I think it's, it's probably inappropriate for me to talk about in that he's only played two games and he's so young. And I think the easy thing to do is to get out in front of ourselves. And, you know, I think if, if I'm starting to talk too much about that, it's just, it's not a good look and it's not fair to him. I mean, he, he, he still

has to be young. He's got to make his mistakes. He's got to grow. And, you know, I think he's a hard player to, to have a comp with because, you know, his size, you know, his, his explosiveness, his, his ability to run, um, his approach, He's very mature for his age. So just like everything else this year, I think the key is just for him to be able to be who he is and try to get better every day and have great practices and make mistakes and learn from that. I mean, everything he's doing is for the first time. So I know everybody's excited about him.

We are too, trust me. He is a special player, but I think we've got to just kind of take it one week at a time right now. Can you tell when you're recruiting someone? Because you're recruiting him for three, four years at this point. And we see it from the outside and there are five-star guys who show up and they're as advertised. There's some who need work and then eventually get there. And there's some who don't work out at all. Can you usually tell when they show up if they're going to be that as advertising like when you first saw him work out was it like yeah we got one here yeah

yeah I mean we knew in high school um probably one of the most impressive guys we've seen coming out of high school I mean it was one of those ones where like you said there's some guys that develop at different stages you know that you know whether it's while they're here or you know Marvin's a guy who really came on late in his high school career. And then as he got here, really, you know, took off into his freshman year or sophomore year. Everybody kind of does it a little bit differently. Jeremiah was one of those ones we saw in high school. We knew how special he was.

He's one of the better high school players I'd seen. And Caleb Downs is another one. I mean, he's probably one of the best high school players I've ever seen live in a game when he played against Buford down, down at Buford when he was at milk Creek. I mean, he was all over the field, just unbelievable. So, um, but everybody's different. Everybody kind of has their own journey along the way, but yeah, it was pretty easy to see that. And I, you know, I don't think it takes, you know, a veteran, you know, scout to identify that he was going to be a great player. I don't know.

That one right there. I legitimately still probably would have gotten it wrong. I think you could have got that one. Ryan, your resume with developing quarterbacks has been off the charts in terms of what they produced in college and where they ended up in the NFL. The quarterback that you have here this year didn't come up through the program the way that you have typically done it with other guys. What's it been like to have somebody with as much experience as Will Howard and has the experience of being a quarterback, developer, coach

been different with somebody in this new era of college football where you might hopefully not have to do it but might have to in the future yeah i think it's a great question and you know we work really hard at developing our guys and what we asked them to do you know i think cj would tell you sometimes you know we asked more of them here than when he was you know with the texans in his first year and so you know whether it's been guys who have been here and gone on you know you look at you know quinn you know he's done a great job he was only here for six in his first year. And so whether it's been guys who have been here and gone on, you look at Quinn, he's done a great job. He was only here for six months, but I think he learned a lot when he was here.

Joe, when he was here, you've seen Kyle doing well as he's left. But we've also done great with the guys that we've had here. And Will, to your point, hasn't been in our system for very long. He just got here in January. But I think every week he's getting more and more comfortable. He's getting more and more of a feel of it. And it's going to come down to red zone. It's going to come down to third down.

It's going to come down to two minute. The thing about Will is, first off, he's got great command, but also he can make an effect in the game with his feet. You saw that on Saturday and work out on that to be the difference. But I think every game he plays, he's going to be more and more comfortable. I think it's important to get his feet going. I think when his feet are in rhythm, you can see he got in rhythm early in the game. He can make those throws and certainly stuff to grow on and build on. But every day he's in it, he's going to be more and more comfortable.

He'll become a better and better player. What's it like when you have a first-year quarterback with you who can say something like, well, I remember when we were playing in the Big 12 championship game two years ago, this happened, this defense did this, and this is how we responded to it. How much does it change what you and Chip, the discourse between you guys and Will? Here's what he didn't have to learn here. To your point, playing in big games, toughness, demeanor,

the way to stand in a huddle and look people in the eye, those are all things that he's already got. And so that certainly does, you know, allow us to get further along in the process. So it is big, you know, the spotlight's not too big. He's been through those types of things before. So, you know, that was good. It allowed us to kind of a jumping off point that was further ahead. When I first, when you first were hired as the head coach here, I went up to new hampshire and met people that were close to you and spent some time in manchester and during the reporting in the in the story that i wrote i found out how important ship kelly was to you um having

him back here in the building calling the offense his's it been like, not just from like a play calling standpoint, but just like having that person with you next to you in the program? It's been big. It's been big. Yeah. You know, I really, I like the way that the offensive staff has come together. I feel like Brian Hartline's done a great job and, you know, Justin Fry, Keenan Bailey. I mean, everybody in that room, Carlos Laughlin, but to have somebody who's been through so much football in his life, he's been a head coach before, he's been in the NFL, he's done all those things. It's just a great perspective coming in with a fresh set of eyes on everything that we're doing here.

I think the great thing is that in that room, everyone kind of sees it the same way because we've been together for a while. But for someone to come in from a different point of view, but also, you know, a lot of what we've done here was what he did because of what, you know, I learned from him when I worked for him. So it's not like this is like way out of left field, but along the way, you know, you start in a path together. One guy goes one guy, one way, the other guy goes the other way. And, and then we're, we're bringing it back together again. So, um, it's been great. It's only a start. But it has allowed me for sure, like even just being in a game and not carrying a call sheet is a weird feeling to me.

Like I always feel like I need to grab something. I don't know what to do when I don't have a call sheet in my hand. But it certainly in the game has made me much more aware, eyes up, involved with everybody in all three phases looking people in the eye um it's so that part has been good during the games and um and so but but you know yeah i think so far he's done a great job and it's also great to have somebody you trust and you know and that's that's big be honest when you were playing for him was there ever a time he got on your ass at practice you're like someday old man you're gonna be working for me? No. No.

I can tell you we definitely had arguments before. Although he was a young man then. We've had arguments before, but I think that's what's great about Chip. And you talk about trust is that you can have an argument, you can challenge each other, but at the end of the day, you know you're going to have each other's back when you walk out of the room. Where sometimes when you don't have that kind of trust or that relationship, you know, it can create issues and, you know, problems not here. And, and that's, that's big because he's very, very competitive. And so am I. And, but we see things the same way. And so there's just, you know, and it's, it's a collaboration, you know, it was the same way when he was the head

coach, you know, we were always kind of had that relationship and it's carried over here. You mentioned how it changes your game day. How has it changed your week? Yeah, I'm able to kind of spend more time on third down red zone and, you know, seeing things a little bit further away. I can spend more time on special teams, you know, take a look at what's going on the other side of the ball, have some conversation with Jim Knowles. I can be, you know, in the facility more. You know, I can be down in the training room. I can be with the players, you know, there's just more to it. And then also just time to gather my thoughts on how I need to, you know, talk to the staff that week, how we need to message the team that week. And it's good to be

able to just be with your thoughts every now and again, too, because before that, I mean, there was just so much going on. You're constantly thinking about what to call and how to organize the game plan. So all those things have been positive. Well, I would also think, too, that in this new era where so many things have changed in the last two years, that being a head coach, I always used to think, and this was my percentage, and I don't know if you guys agree with this, but I always thought that like four years ago, before the world changed, that 75% of the head coach's job was talent accumulation. 25% was culture, game planning, building. I don't know if that is an insane number.

You didn't leave any percentage. We're a bad at math show, by the way. He didn't leave any percentage for actually like play calling, scheming. That was like 5%. I don't know. You work out the math for me when we're done here but now when you think about the nil stuff the the way that players are moving in the in the portal and all the stuff that the actual roster management of it is more gm like in the nfl than it ever has been before how much has

your life changed you know in the last few years being at a place like this where the demand is no drop off win every game but also having to stay on top of well if somebody's unhappy they might leave or if i need a quarterback i might hurt someone's feelings like there's all these different things that you have to have on your plate and i'm assuming that that's been maybe one of the hardest adjustments of being any coach yeah at this point well i think when when you have an opportunity to be a head coach, typically it's because of the football. But then when you're thrust into the role, that's less of what your job

is. So to your point, and in order to move up, you got to give up. And I think for us here at Ohio State, it's been important to recruit at a high level, develop, and then retain. Very, very important. And we've added, a lot of people talk about our roster, but we only added, I think, seven guys. And it's not like we're rolling guys over in the transfer portal and going out and doing that. So that's been very, very important.

The culture of our team and making sure that that's big. Talent acquisition is very, very important. I think when you talk about like from, you know, January all the way to June, I think that's where it's the most different, you know, going to different events, meeting with folks, you know, going out and doing these different events. You know, we have a concert here that we put on to raise money for NIL. We have, you know, there's just a lot going on in terms of fundraising and phone calls and things like that. So very much more involved with that to make sure that where we need to be. And it's been great working with Ross. Ross really comes in with a great background of, you know, this very thing. And as we, you know, kind of move forward, trying to figure out

what's right for Ohio State as we go. And a big part of that is going to make sure we continue to recruit at a high level and develop and retain. And then when it's right, fill holes in the transfer portal. So I want to wrap up with this one because Ari just mentioned, this is Ohio State.

Drop-offs not allowed. Bad years don't happen. What is the pressure of that like day-to-day and has it changed for you five years into the job versus when you first got the job? No, it hasn't changed. I mean, I remember that press conference and it was like, you got to into the job versus when you first got the job? No, it hasn't changed. I mean, I remember, you know, that press conference, and it was like you got to beat the team up north,

you got to win every game after that, and that's the job, you know. But I never looked at it like what if you don't. I've always looked at it like what if you do, and the opportunity that Ohio State has to offer. And we try to make every decision we possibly can to make sure that we understand like this isn't just, you know, right now. We have to win right now, decision we possibly can to make sure that we understand this isn't just right now. We have to win right now, but we also have to continue like you're talking about. We can't have a drop-off.

And so making all those decisions was something that you learn year in and year out. You learn more about yourself as a coach. I'm now 45 years old, and I'm in a different place than I was a few years ago. And every year you learn and you grow grow and you learn more about Ohio State. You learn more about where we're going. You learn more about being a head coach and making those decisions and making sure you have the right people in the right spots. And, you know, we've been, we've been right there before, you know,

and what is it going to take to make sure that we get over to hump in those different spots? And that's, you know, that's where the focus is. And so, you know, you learn every year and, you know, I think for this, this, this group in particular, there's, you know, that's where the focus is. And so, you know, you learn every year. And, you know, I think for this group in particular, there's a lot of guys that have played a lot of football. We've been talented before. We've been young at times. And I think, you know, having a guy like Seth McLaughlin come in, having a guy like Will Howard come in who are, you know, new to the program

but also have experience, you know, is going to be important. Well, you're going undefeated this week. You got that going for you. Improvement week, yeah. We're calling it improvement week because everybody else in the country is getting better. They're playing. So we're not treating it like a bye week.

We're treating it like an improvement week. Maybe head to Chili's or something. Get yourself some Southwestern Egg Rolls or something. Give yourself a break, too, because I know it's going to be a long season. It's going to be a long season, but we got to keep working. We'll get some rest this week, but we're going to have a normal practice week. No game on Saturday.

Thank you, Ryan. Appreciate it. All right, guys. Good seeing you guys. No problem. That is Ryan Day. And it was interesting hearing him talk about how his role has changed

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And now, for the big moment, your 2023 heisman winner is i guarantee there's some girl out here who's trying to get their hooks into jayden daniels i'm not gonna let anybody take my focus from the game you don't have to play the money game but if you want to capitalize you can do that i the game. I can also take care of my family for generations. We thought we thought of everything that would happen in NIL. I wouldn't have $100 in my account as one of the star athletes at LSU. And I was confused why. Reebok is a question mark.

Did he reach out to you? No. The whole team is so excited to have you. These athletes are in a pressure cooker. I remember saying that I wanted to be done, but winning is addicting. I think this is the beginning of it. It is beautiful. So six episodes of The Money Game dropped on Prime Video today.

I'm going to start binging this thing tonight. If you would like to watch, you can subscribe to Prime Video using the link in the show description of this YouTube video that you're watching. Also, if you're already an Amazon Prime subscriber, use that link anyway. It helps out your old pals, Andy and Ari. But it will get you directly to the money game, which I can't wait to watch that, Ari. It really has changed everything. The fact that those three were in Baton Rouge at the same time

and they can follow all three is pretty amazing. Yeah, the money game, otherwise called life for everyone else, is going to be an interesting look into just kind of how this entire college athletics world is and we all know and understand that this is happening but to get a absolutely close look at how it looks is amazing because so much about nil is just like what's behind the scenes who's doing what in the shadows who's the broker who's the handler right there's not a lot of stuff that's out in the open so to be able to see some of these things come together and yeah how it all works for i mean these are three people who kind of experienced it in different ways because you know livy dunn's a gymnast that's not a super popular sport but she's exploded jane daniels meanwhile is winning the heisman trophy as all of this is

going on and like how is it affecting him and then angel reese is trying to defend a national championship she's in quote-unquote contract you were you're playing your last college season going into the wnba like it's it's a really interesting set of people and you can make a case that they were three of the most visible people in all of college athletics last year at the same time so it uh i'm looking forward to watching that as well so let's let's talk about that in in relation to what we just talked about with Ryan Day because he's talked about now his job is part general manager and one thing he mentioned we were talking to him that I think is interesting and I'm not sure has been explained enough is they did not overhaul their roster through NIL it was like they bought a team. Well, they did buy a team. But the more important purchases, I would say, are making sure JT Tui Malau and Jack

Sawyer came back. Getting Caleb Downs and getting Quenchon Judkins obviously is a huge addition. Getting Seth McLaughlin, huge additions. But they already had a good roster because they'd retained it. But that's, I think the way they did it with Will Howard and adding those guys, like that's kind of how you want to do it. You, it's what Michigan did last year. When you've got a hole, you fill it. So Michigan got Drake Nugent, Ladarius Henderson, Josiah Stewart last year. They didn't need much else. Ohio state didn't need much else Ohio State didn't need much else but they got the

positions they needed well it will be interesting as we get more data with how to win big in the new era if the Michigan model from last year becomes the model yeah Michigan doesn't recruit nearly as well as Ohio State does out of high school but they had a lot of very good players that were evaluated well jim harbaugh and his staff did an amazing job of identifying not only identifying but developing those those players i identified and then at the end of the road added some important pieces but michigan last year had five star prospects um at the quarterback position at the running back position at the cornerback position and their defensive line was insanely good yeah so that like Ohio State seems to me the supercharged version of that

because they have this veteran team that has been developing and on campus for three or four years that could have been playing in the NFL right now on top of plugging holes at quarterback and safety but then also taking luxury items that's the third piece that we didn't mention here like quinshawn junkins was not needed right he had like a luxury piece into the offense that now might go score 15 touchdowns this year so when you look at the way you're supposed to build a roster the reason why ohio state's in the position that they're in is because they have retention they have holes filled and they have luxury items like this seems to be the triple crown of how to build a roster now obviously you still have to play the games they still have to beat michigan the playoff is going to be more challenging to win now than ever before in the past i'm not

saying they're going to win the national title but if you are this is exactly the way you would want to build a roster and not you don't want to have to rely on adding caleb downs you don't have to rely on adding will howard you don't want to have to rely on adding Caleb Downs you don't have to rely on adding Will Howard you don't want to have to rely on these and there's a lot of programs out there that are I mean I don't mean to bring up Florida State but they are reliant on not only getting guys in the portal but hitting on them and it's really really hard well who else who else does this I'd say Georgia does this does this London Humphreys uh Ben Urosik they didn't need those guys but they're certainly welcome additions.

Alabama, Parker Brailsford, Damani Jackson. Did they need them to be good this year? No, but they're welcome additions. Texas, because we can talk about them losing those receivers and needing to go out and get Isaiah Bond, but they also signed Ryan Wingo. And if Isaiah Bond was not on the team, texas wouldn't stink right like that's the thing too i think the distinction that you make is how many teams have transfers on their team that are playing right now where if you took those transfers away they would stink like that's

not the right way to do it and i even think last year florida state is the crowning example of what portal king looks like and they lost a player at a position that was transferred in before Norvell got there in quarterback. Now, that's not their fault. They didn't make the playoff. But I don't think that any one loss, and maybe quarterback is a bad example, but if they would have lost one of the other players,

they wouldn't have stunk. How does State need Will Howard? I don't know that. Well, the thing is, if they didn't get Will Howard, I think they needed a quarterback. Yeah, the Kyle McCord thing was a surprising thing. That was an anomaly. Like, what happened with Kyle McCord is not going to happen all the time. It's not going to happen every year. And Kyle McCord was supposed to be the quarterback this year. So they recruited well enough. And he's a five-star player. And played great

for Syracuse so far. He's played great for Syracuse. Only lost one game. I think if the plan would have gone accordingly, Kyle McCord would be like CJ Stroud right now. And then it would just be absolutely pandemonium in Columbus. So what happens even at places that recruit as deeply as Ohio state is that things don't always go according to plan and people leave and people don't work out and you have to be able to adjust on the fly. Now, Ohio State's got two five-star freshman quarterbacks on their roster, so they're probably hoping that between the two of them, they're not going to have to go get a transfer like this in the future.

But at the same time, if you're asking me if they need a Will Howard, I don't know if they need a Will Howard, but if you watched the Cotton Bowl last year, they definitely needed a quarterback. Yeah, they needed a veteran quarterback, at least to be in the competition with those young guys and and i think that it worked out the way they wanted it to i'm thinking in one other place because we may be looking at a transition from portal king to doing it the way you have to do it to really compete and that's

old miss because if you took walter nolan out if you took the offensive lineman that they got out of the portal out, if you took Trey Amos out, I think Ole Miss would still be a good team. Yeah. Well, Ole Miss is an interesting situation because – Because a lot of the guys were transfers already, but they've been there for three years now, so I don't know if it even counts anymore. Yeah, Ole Miss has done a really good job in the transfer portal,

and they went all in on guys that like they are going to help them potentially win the SEC right but I think you could probably make the luxury item distinction for a few of them yeah because I think Ole Miss would have been a potential nine or ten win team even if they didn't bring anybody in out of the portal yeah now a nine or ten win team like they were last year um might be the ceiling if they didn't do it but now their ceiling is i don't i'm gonna say it like they could win the national title this year for yeah they could like it's not like it's a crazy thing to say it might be an upset but they will they are in a position from a roster perspective based

on the way they've done it to win now Now, the difference between Ohio State and Ole Miss is that Ohio State can do this every year if they keep recruiting out of high school the same way. Ole Miss can't do this every single year because they don't recruit out of high school at a high enough level. Yeah, you have to recruit out of high school or do what Lane did and you get the transfers with three or four years of eligibility remaining and you develop them. Which is your recruiting.

Yeah. That's the same kind of development. It's just different. Now, Lane did that specifically for a reason. He did it because at the time, the second transfer, you had to sit out a year if you were an undergrad. That's changed. So I don't know if he can do that anymore because if, if, if a guy comes and doesn't play, like you could develop him two or three years ago.

Now he may just say, I'm going to go somewhere else and play. You realize what we're doing right now. We're, we're basically having a same conversation that was a distinction in a different way, three or four years ago, which is who are the programs that can win a national championship every single year. And who are the programs that might be able to win one once every 10,

if when the, when the mood strikes or when the roster strikes like Michigan, for instance, to me is amazing as their season was a year ago. And we've already found out this year, isn't a team or a program that is built to win the big 10 every year. They're going to cycle up and down. Yeah. And until they start recruiting top five classes or, or getting transfers that are really young at a high rate that have, you're not going to be able to compete with a machine like Ohio state every single year with not taking away the three-year run they've had.

Right. But if you were a football fan that had no idea, Ohio state situation in michigan who they were and you're like which team or program are you going to select for long-term success based on what you know about them while removing the logos everybody would take ohio state like that's a fact so um you know the high school piece of this gets lost and i almost feel like we forget about how important it is because of all the extra stuff that exists now. But you need to recruit high school players, and you need to retain them

if you want to be a program that can compete at a high level, not just once every five years, but every year. All right, there is a program that I think can actually recruit at that level, should be recruiting at that level, and should be winning at that level. And they're trying to get back there because they hired a new coach before last season. And he kind of surprised us. But before we talk Auburn, I want to tell you a little bit about prize picks. The best daily fantasy game in America.

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and some really fun noon Saturday games. So they're going to get those out early, and you're going to have a chance to test your skill against those numbers. So download that PrizePix app, use that code staples, play $5, get $50 instantly. won't see a potential starting quarterback at Auburn. They might not be picking a number for Peyton Thorne this week because we don't know who's going to start at Auburn. Let's hear what Hugh Freeze had to say on Monday. The struggle with, it's really hard to not play a young man, whether it's Peyton or whoever else it is, it's really hard for me to not play a young man that consistently is the best performer in practice over and over and over and over again.

And his execution of the offense, which has been pretty clear to all of us that throughout camp and throughout the practice weeks and everything his performance and his understanding of of what we want to do is has been better than than the others and and if you do that then you kind of send a message that practice really doesn't matter having said that you know you have to carry that over into the games. You have to. And I did witness him play really, really good football

in some big games last year. We've also witnessed the opposite of that in some games. So this was not what anybody wanted, and Peyton Thorne through four interceptions, Hugh freeze in the press conference on Monday, went through all four interceptions. And there were a couple that you could have maybe put on somebody else, but there were a couple that were just on Peyton Thorne and you can sense the frustration in Hugh freeze. And I, I understand why coaches feel this way, because this has got to be hard. We see them on Saturdays.

We see the team on Saturdays, the product on Saturdays, and we're like, look, the results are all that matter. But these guys are in it every day. And so if somebody five days a week does all the right things, it's very hard to say you're not that guy on Saturday. But it's happened before. I'll give it, I'll date myself here. And this is, this is when I was in high school,

but then I learned more about this as I, as I got to know some of these people when I was older, Danny Werfel at Florida, who ended up winning the Heisman trophy in 1996, Danny Werfel, when he was younger, when he was like a red shirt, freshman and a sophomore would come into games

and just be spectacular lights out. And it's like, why Terry Dean was the player who was starting at the time. And it's like, why isn't Danny Werfel the starter? Well, cause Terry Dean outplayed him at practice almost every day. And it wasn't until Steve Spurrier finally just said they lost to Auburn at one point. It all comes back to Aub finally just said they lost to Auburn at one point it all comes back to Auburn but they lost to Auburn and Danny had come in late in the game and and been great and Spurrier's finally like look I just got to go with the guy who wins game who's better in the games because ultimately that's the job but it's so hard when most of the days of the week this one guy is better well i mean like honestly how often do

you think that's even the case it happens probably every year it happens somewhere at some school yeah because the concept of gamer is just an interesting well urban meyer used to talk about that he's like there's no such thing as a gamer because if he doesn't show in practice it won't show in the games but that's also not true and he would tell you he'd be the first to tell you if there's a guy who just shows up when the lights come on you play him oh for sure i mean you you have to be well and the thing that's hard andy is is that you can't discover who's a gamer without putting them in the game so like you know the peyton thorne scenario here is uh hank brown's the backup right right so like we know the Peyton Thorne scenario here is uh Hank Brown's the backup right right so like

we're talking about a three-star prospect who's been in the program for one year right like that could be great or that could be we need three more years of development before he's he's ready to go now I think there's an overarching theme here and we don't know what they're going to do at quarterback and you could sense like you said the frustration on Hugh Freeze's you know face and demeanor but is why is Auburn in the position that it's in to begin with yes you know that's I mean like that's the whole thing it's I do think that a lot of times we get bogged down not bogged down but we we find ourselves in conversations during the year about how could we be in this position but but we also have to analyze that Hugh freeze, um,

came to Auburn as the master corrector of their ales, which was getting good players. Well, it's crazy is he also like took a former Auburn quarterback and turned him into a second round pick at Liberty Malik Willis. Yeah. Yeah. Like,

so that's the, that's the part that's crazy but so we we talked about our friend steven godfrey joking over the weekend that that for once he freezes getting getting in trouble for not paying the player like but he said like he freeze was very clear on this in the offseason i believe it's the last offseason too like he did not want to pay seven figures out of the portal for a quarterback because, and I, I understand where he's coming from on this because that also brings in a

set of expectations, a set of circumstances. And I just don't know, like, because you, that's what they cost Andy. I know, but then do you,

do you have to play them? Cause we're seeing this at Florida state. We're seeing this play out of Florida state. Like, do you have to play them at that point? seeing this at Florida State. We're seeing this play out at Florida State. Do you have to play them at that point, or can you just give them the quick hook if it doesn't work? Yeah, I mean, that's difficult, but it's kind of like pro sports. What do you do with your franchise player?

And how, I mean, like, you play the best player. I mean, the point, like you said, is to win the game. So, I mean, I think that you have to evaluate the same way you do when you're bringing anyone else in. And if it doesn't work, just understand it's a sunk cost. It's also the peril of the business. It's not like anybody who spends a bunch of money is having 100% hit rate. So I do think that you do have to go down the rabbit hole of like,

if you have a young, promising player and a, I mean, I think what we're talking about in Florida state is the perfect example. It's like, does Brock Glenn have any hope of being a good player? Did we give up because he got thrust into an impossible situation last year? I actually think about what we're talking about at Florida. Yeah. Because whether it's, it's money spent on a, on a backup or on a transfer quarterback or money spent on a freshman quarterback, it's still money spent on somebody who may or may not be playing like dj lagway is the highest paid player at florida

and and we are we've been debating about whether they're going to start him against texas a&m or not you know how i feel about that like the only sensible solution is starting dj lagway but that might not be what billy napier chooses i also think the only sensible solution for Mike Norvell is give Brock Glenn a chance because it's not working with DJ you yeah yeah um that is 100 it's almost like the same exact situation I mean it's a little bit different because DJ is a star and Brock Glenn was kind of I mean he was an elite 11 kid like it wasn't like he's nobody but dj lagway um is somebody who is supposed to be a transcendent talent that changes a program and i'm not sure that brocklin came into florida state but that's the thing you keep going back to

recruiting if we're going to do that graham mertz when he came to wisconsin was supposed to be a transcendent program changing quarterback i'm not saying that i think that the both the answers to the question is play the kid yeah you know i mean i agree with you on that but i'm saying the pressure at florida is higher because of the way that he was perceived um i mean so was dj i mean like it's not like in in the in the recruiting ranks he was a five-star we gotta we can't mix up our djs yeah dj we angle oh yeahle. Oh, yeah. Sorry. DJ U. But, you know, the thing that is, to wrap it back around to what we were talking about, Auburn doesn't have either of those things.

No. But I've seen Hugh Freeze do enough with quarterbacks who might not have been the greatest talent-wise. And so I had this conversation with Hugh Freeze. After he took the Auburn job, he came to the senior bowl to visit some people and a bunch of us were talking to him. We were interviewing him. And after the interview was over, uh, he were a couple of us were chatting with him and he brought up the point that the most important early guy he brought in an old miss was Bo Wallace. And I think most people would say, oh, it was Laramie Tunsell. It was Robert Condici, or maybe it was Denzel Condici, which allowed you to get Robert

and some of those other guys. But he said it was Bo Wallace because it allowed him to run the offense the way he wanted to run it. And I think we can go out on a limb and say he still hasn't found his Bo Wallace at Auburn yet. And that's the biggest issue right now, is they can't run the offense the way he wants to run it, and we've seen it run effectively with everywhere else he's been. So could Hank Brown be that guy? He's watched a lot of practices and determined that maybe he's not, but I think he's going to have to give him a chance.

So let's hear a little more from Hugh Freeze on Monday. He's the highest performer in practice in preparation, which obviously has led to us giving him the starting nod. But there's got to be carryover into the game. And I think it was John Wooden that once you know said that um he spoke directly about this and honoring the the practice and stuff but again sometimes adjustments have to be made and i assure you we're prepared if if if that continues it has to we have to go another direction see that and that's the most definitive statement that we've heard from anybody like norvell hasn't said anything like that napier has kind of waffled

and equivocated like we have not heard anybody in this situation so far this year say it that directly like that bluntly we may have we're gonna have to make a change because our job is to win the game it's not to play the best practice player yeah yeah and i mean to even break down who looked the best in practice and such a definitive way i think gives you some insight into the struggle that he's having like i like when it comes to florida andy i don't know what the struggle is no that's an easy decision i think yeah and i actually think because we always talk about will a coach lose the locker room if they make this decision like i don't think he freezes in any danger of losing the locker room if he changes because players understand players all want to win like i don't think billy napier is in any danger of losing the

locker room if he starts dj lagway yeah players aren't dumb. I always go back to when Dabo benched Kelly Bryant and started Trevor Lawrence. And I remember talking to Christian Wilkins later that season about that day. And Christian Wilkins picked up Trevor Lawrence and took him out to breakfast that morning and basically was saying, everybody's behind you.

Do not worry about this. There will be no dissension when this decision is made public everybody's behind you. Do not worry about this. There will be no dissension when this decision is made public. We got you because players aren't stupid. Like they understand Trevor Lawrence gave them the best chance to win. And all lose a locker room by sticking with the wrong guy for too long to agree. Agreed. I think that's a bigger danger in that case. Now it's the dynamics can get weird sometimes but

i don't think they're weird in any of these cases i think all of these situations are situations where these teams had big expectations so far it has been a disaster and you have to figure it out so we will find out but i am very very curious to see what Hugh freeze does here, because again, he said it more bluntly than anybody else. And while we're on the subject of people talking bluntly, I noticed in the comments, somebody said, Oh, they're talking about the Auburn QB situation in Colorado. The media is finally figuring out, Oh no, no, we're going to talk a little Colorado too. Cause we got to, we just have to chime in on this Shador Sanders clip.

So this is Shador Sanders after the Nebraska game, throwing his offensive line under the bus. That's pretty much all the intro you need for that. I mean, how many times did Riley get touched? You said what? How many times did Riley get touched? Of course, whenever you're able to run the ball consistently and whenever you're able to, then that opens up the pass, you know.

But it's just like you've got to understand what your team is good at. So it's like why would we keep running the ball if, okay, we are out there and we get in a situation where it's a must get and we don't get it. Right. Are those kind of like fourth and one conversions that haven't gone your guys' way in the last couple of weeks, is that kind of playing to everybody's mind? that kind of someone you're buying thinking about you know advancing the ball and whatnot no i'd rather if we're gonna go down i'd rather go down swinging

honestly because i know i could throw the best points i i do appreciate the sanders men and press conferences turning the questions back on. It creates a nice discussion like a back and forth. It's like stepbrothers. How much money do you make a year before tax? So Shador threw his offensive lineman under the bus. He also threw Pat Shermer under the bus in there, too. He threw the play calling under those, which actually probably isn't. In both cases, he's not not wrong like they can't run

the ball they can't protect shador which is a problem they can't run the ball which is a huge problem uh and he's wondering why pat schirmer calls runs because they can't run the ball but i think pat schirmer calls runs because at some point you have to try to run the ball it's a pretty impossible situation when you can't block. Yeah, well, I'm not going to sit here, and I think you might, like people might be expecting me to be like, you can't do that. Listen, as a reporter and as a college football fan, you want as much interesting information.

Those press conferences are made for garnering information. And if you want to know how Colorado feels about the the current situation the quarterback was honest with you about it i'm not going to ever rail on somebody for being truthful and honest especially considering the fact that we all know what he's saying is true yeah that said that doesn't mean there isn't danger and what that can do to your team or that isn't a sign of things are starting to slip a little bit but oh you don't like me you don't like the way i block you think i can't block for you what if i really don't block yeah and like the the funniest thing is is that it's true that they have a hard time blocking But you know who should have probably realized that was going to be an issue? Deion?

His father. Yes. It's like, whose fault is it? You're not throwing your line under the bus. You're throwing your dad under the bus. And here's the thing. We've said all along, this might be daddy ball. And we had this in our group chat at work when one of our editors who came up through covering recruiting

made the point and it's a good one that Dion is essentially every recruit QB dad that we've ever dealt with just turned up to 11 and has has the head coaching job yeah well the question that you have to ask yourself and you know maybe we can get into this at another time because we're not going to open up a 45 minute conversation with four minutes left but what was the motivation for deon sanders taking the colorado job was it to be a good power conference football coach we're learning he didn't say power five i know we're learning or four core four sounds like a protein drink it sounds like a really good protein drink. Because I like those core power ones. Or was it to be with his kid as he tries to get him to the NFL? Like, that's the thing. That's the crucial distinction, actually.

And I will spoil tomorrow's show. We are going to talk about that tomorrow. Yeah, we should. Because the thing, and it's like, everybody, because I've been very critical of Colorado. At first, I was very excited. I was very bought in on the notion of a new coach with a new angle that is as cool as Deion doing it a new way and maybe shifting how coaching in college football works. But when you look at the behavior of the way that he has attacked this job, it leans very distinctly to one of those two things and it's not i have a passion for being

a great coach so we'll we'll get into that a little bit more tomorrow and you know it's the same as far as shidur throwing the lineman under the bus i go back and forth on this because you don't want to do that like i just remember remember like getting yelled at by a quarterback because you missed a you know got beat on a block but also remember getting yelled at by a quarterback because you missed a you know got beat on a block but also remember getting yelled at by a quarterback and telling the quarterback well on a seven step drop if you take a nine step drop that's on you like you've put yourself in danger yeah because i'm blocking for for you to be back here not for you to be back there it's not just sacks andy they cannot run the football yeah and it's just, you know, I know they went out and they got Jordan Seaton.

And getting a five-star offensive lineman to come to Colorado is a recruiting win that Colorado could have never conceived of without Dion. So you have to give Dion flowers for doing it. He did it with Travis Hunter. He did it with his own kid. There's one more big-time get, Cormani McClain, who's not there anymore, but he's done it. So the proof of the ability to do it exists not just once, but every year he's been a coach. Right. So if he were to put the same effort across the board into 25 to 50 kids

that might not all be five stars, but might be top 150, top 200, guys that can come in and play and built this roster out it might i don't everybody was expecting i don't think they have the nil to do that i don't think that the war yeah to do that i know they might not so i think deon can get a discount because he's deon but i don't know if he can get that much of a discount but they got to survive this season they have a line that can't block again and you remember all the colorado fans coming on here over the offseason when I'm like, hey, I'm a little worried that this is not the way

to build an offensive line. They're like, no, it's going to be better. You don't know what you're talking about. Well, I know what I'm talking about when I say that if you have a bad offensive line, it is the one thing in football you can't fix. Like, you can't make a bad offensive line good. And if your offensive line is bad, you can never fix like you can't make a bad offensive line good and if your offensive line is bad you can never be good so that's the problem now i don't know that being nicer to them will make them block better but i can tell you that trashing them will not make them block better either well

i don't know if there's anything that you can do to make them block better because they're not blocking good because they're not up to the standard that you need to be to win a game like that so i think that if deon sanders attempts even if the nil war chest wasn't there to build this roster in a good faith way that would be around for a while that the tenor of our discussions about colorado would be much different i'm not expecting them to make the playoff this year in year two of whatever i expect them to make a bowl game this year. That's what I said. I expect them to win five or six games and be a fun team to watch.

Dion has done that. The problem is, if he leaves at the end of the year, what has he done for the Colorado program? He sold a shitload of tickets. No, no, I'm saying for the next tenure coach... Oh, no, no. It goes back to whatever it was. It goes back to what it was.

And there's no back to whatever it was back to what it was and there's no roster to leave behind there's no recruiting plan to leave behind not that anybody could duplicate being dion but putting it together with duct tape and hoping to win six games is not what i thought he was going to be doing as a coach save this for tomorrow because i we're gonna that's gonna be one of my three saucy takes. So we're doing our Wendy's sauciest takes again. Last week, it was Ari giving out the takes and me judging which the sauciest. I am going to load up on spicy ghost pepper nuggets today just to make sure my sauce level is as high as humanly possible, as hot as humanly possible. And I'm coming up with three saucy takes.

One of them will be about that, I can tell you, because i've been thinking about that a lot lately two more ari's gonna decide which is the sauciest we can't wait to talk to you tomorrow this was so much fun thank you to ryan day thank you to hugh freeze for being very blunt about things that was and thank you to shador and we'll talk to you tomorrow.