Andy & Ari On3 - Ohio State OC Chip Kelly BOLTS back to the NFL; What now in Columbus? | No spring game at Nebraska?

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

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I think those who are following all week and know exactly what I'm talking about. But let's just say that some folks who work together in Seattle will be working together again in Tuscaloosa. I'm kind of. Just like not in the zone right now after that beginning that was it's it's it's it's it's world shattering. We've been doing the same thing for months. I mean, although I will say that the poultry power couple sounds interesting, so yeah, yeah, you know the saucy dogs are still there. It's going to be a new intro to the to

the show and I've got to get used to it. But yeah, we've got a great show today. And I'm super excited to get into it. And I think pretty big news for our boys in Tuscaloosa. So we'll talk about it. But Mike G in the chat notices something and it's a good place to start. Andy and Ari both wearing Raiders black. Hmm, yes, Chip Kelly is now the Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator. Six million bucks a year.

Pretty good gig. He's leaving Ohio State. Of course, we are a college football show, so we are more interested in what that means for the Buckeye. So let's let's review Ari because Jim Knowles, the defensive coordinator, leaves for Penn State last week. Justin Fry, the offensive line coach, leaves for the Arizona Cardinals late last week and now Chip Kelly headed to the Raiders. And I went back to last year Ari because I know Chip tried to get the Raiders OC job under Antonio Pierce last year. He tried to get the Washington Commander's OC job that Cliff Kingsbury ended up getting.

He was trying to get back in the NFL last year while he was still UCLA's head coach. The move to Ohio State was a couple of things. It was a necessity because Ohio State had Bill O'Brien, then lost him to the Boston College head coaching job. But also Chip didn't get an NFL job and he was, he knew he was done at UCLA. I mean, they, they telegraphed that they were probably going to fire him after the 24th season. So he knew he had to get out. But I'd say as a landing spot goes, that's pretty good. You go to Ohio State, you help your protege win a national

title, and now you are off to the NFL to be an OC doing what you want, making more than you made at UCLA. I'd say it all worked out. I don't cover the NFL, so I don't know. But where is that? Like a normal offensive coordinator salary for an NFL? It seems pretty high. It's the highest in it.

Yes. Okay. Yes, I was given some some information about those salaries. Because I always wondered about that too. Like, because we talked about it with with Lincoln Riley, like, would he ever leave for an NFL OC job? And I'm like that there's no way because he makes 10 million or 11 million at USC and you know what is an NFL offensive coordinator? Well that's the highest.

The kind of median number is probably basically like what SEC offensive coordinators make. So it's really not that hugely different and for those who want to know, like a great way to kind of explain this is SEC and Big Ten coordinators make about the same as NFL coordinators generally. This is an unusual circumstance, but like the really good SEC and Big Ten D-line coaches make more than NFL D-line coaches. Yeah, so the number that comes into my head when you say about

the same as a coordinator on the ACC or the Big 10 is like a million and a half. Like is that like the right number I should be thinking there? Yeah, million and a half to 2 million. So this is an absurd amount of money that he's making. Yes. Because I will say we've talked about this before, but it's like, you know, I don't know how much people know about Chip Kelly, other than his name and followed him during Oregon. But like, I don't know how like the general fan thinks about

him. But he's a very to himself kind of guy. Like in general, again, I don't know if people know that. Like I when I went to when I was on the Ohio State beat, the Athletics sent me to Massachusetts to write a profile about Ryan Day when he was promoted to Ohio State's offense coordinator. The point was to go to Manchester to talk to people, the locals, to see who Ryan Day is and where he came from and all those things. Obviously, Chip Kelly's a pretty big piece of that story, right? Like everybody around Chip Kelly said that they were instructed by Chip Kelly not to speak to the media under any circumstances. So like I was unable to really get the Chip Kelly aspect of that. Well, that's like, Kent Bab wrote a big feature on him. I think when he was the Eagles coach, Kent was writing for the Washington Post and found out he'd been married and everybody was like, who knew? Yeah, yeah. So, and that's not a knock on the guy.

No, I want to be private myself like that. It's like, what would you rather be famous or rich? Like I would take the rich, you know, fortune and fame, right? Fortune's more important to most people I think or to some people I think most people fame is more important but they don't realize fortune would be a lot fortune without fame would be a lot nicer like if you can be a billionaire because You make the best industrial pipe and you can walk around and no one knows who you are, but you're a billionaire Yeah, what's the way to go? Would you rather be a? Billionaire who no one. Would you rather be a billionaire

who no one knows who you are or a multi, multi, multi millionaire that can't go to the grocery store? And I think a lot of people might think. That billionaire who nobody knows 100% every time. There are some people who like crave the can't go to the grocery store part of it. I think Chip just wants to be left alone.

Yeah. If you'd asked 18 year old Andy that, I would have been like, oh, I want to be the famous one. No, I don't want to be the famous one. Well, there's a specific reason for that, Andy. And I don't know if I'm going to spell it out for you. But when you're an 18 year old single guy being famous has its own perks that don't really exist.

I think that has a lot to do with it. I don't think that married Andy is in that mindset anymore. Yeah, I think you're right. So to wrap it back around a chip, though, it's like, this is the perfect scenario for him, because A, the man, and he made this clear when he left UCLA for Ohio State, but the man is all about coaching football, and isn't about all the extra stuff that college football brings to the table. And I think that's probably part of the reason why he wasn't his happiest self, at least at the end of his UCLA tenure.

Like going to the Raiders, living in the desert, making six mill a year to be relatively behind the scenes. Now, I know that there are some people who know who the offense coordinator is and get mad and, you know, whatever, but like it's like, you're not. But Pete Carroll is the head coach and he's never had a problem taking on all that other stuff. Like he's fine. And Pete Carroll is way more famous than him and if the Raiders stink it's going to be because Pete Carroll stinks.

Not because of Jake Kelly. So for this standpoint of like he can just live in the place where I actually think is the number one retirement community in America. Like that's where I'm going to live when I'm old. Like it is. How's it not? Just hitting the button on slot machine over and over again. It's not even just like, it's just like the climate, the restaurants, the shows, the brightness. I don't know. Like people, like elderly people usually move to warmer climates. Check Kelly's not elderly.

elderly people usually move to warmer climates. Like it's- Check, Kelly's not elderly. No, I'm saying like he gets to live in a place where it's like, you know, lower key for that demographic of people. I'm not saying he's old, I'm saying he's like- Well, also people in Las Vegas, or at least people who live in Las Vegas,

are used to seeing famous people all the time. And he's not even like, he's nowhere near the level of fame of what you can see on a given week in certain places. If Chip Kelly walked into a grocery store in Vegas, like what percentage of people do you think would recognize him? Because he's a very famous person.

Like, I mean, he was like a head person in the NFL. So we're talking about like in Henderson, like cause that's, you know, he's going to live in suburbs up where Britt's grandma lives in Summerlin, you know, like that's a very legit community. But also too, like completely removed from the hustle and bustle of, of being a head coach. I, he's already shown and illustrated a desire to be

in this position, but to go win a national title, help out Ryan Day, and then this present itself after he called a hell of a year, I think is basically the reward that he earned, right? Yeah. And you can also see Shania Twain in residency, or Mariah Carey in residency. They got some good magic shows. I don't know about what's happened to me, but like I have, I get a real kick out of magic shows. I saw David Blaine at the win a few years ago. I saw that Shin Lin guy with the cards. They do some crazy shit, man. Janet Jackson's got a residency too. So, yeah, I listen, this is a good move for Chip Kelly.

It's interesting. I, so James Bond Bond, James Bond and the chat. Bond. Oh, I stay in shambles. It'sles gonna be another 10 years before a championship again. Okay. This is not unique to Ohio State for one thing. Like Michigan lost all its coaches last year because Jim Harbaugh got an NFL job. When you win national titles, people tend to pick you apart.

Like that's just happens. That's that's that's the way it goes. So the idea that Ryan Day's got to replace both his coordinators, his own line coach, which losing the line coach and then losing the OC. Now you're not as worried because you're going to hire a new OC, and that person may want to bring in their own online coach anyway.

But I want to talk to you about this. We'll see what they do on defense. Obviously, they've had a week to digest the Jim Knowles news. Coaches have been on the road recruiting up until Sunday. So they're home now. My guess is Ryan Day's attention turns to the openings on his staff right now. And that's what he's dealing with now. But I want to ask about somebody that we had on the show a few weeks ago and

Somebody that that we talked about a lot that I think is one of the most valuable people in the Ohio State Organization Is this when you bring Brian heartline up to OC? Yeah Let's back this up for a second. Let's get we'll get back to heartline, but let's back this up Okay, yeah, the the notion real quick too of like Ohio States and shambles. It'll be another 10 years before they win the title. Yeah. I mean like also too.

It's just like if that happens. Like that's normal. Another 10 years is pretty normal. Like I think Alabama like Nick Savings Alabama just screwed it up for everybody. They assume you're supposed to like, you just lose a bunch of coaches. You just keep winning titles. It doesn't matter. In this system, especially, like, I don't know.

Like, here's the thing about Nick Saban. Like think about the coordinators. Nick Saban went through, at least on the offensive side of the ball. Jim McElwain, Doug Nussmeyer, Brian Dable won a national title with Alabama. Kellen Kiffin won a national title as Alabama's OC. Not Bill O'Brien, Steve Zarkesian

won a national title as Alabama's OC. Like we got so jaded by watching Nick Saban replace coordinators over and over again and keep winning. It's not that easy. It really is. If you tell a blue blood, like you make a deal with a blue blood, and I know that Ohio State expectations aren't always in line with other programs. Yeah. You're guaranteed to win one a decade, but you'll never win another one in the other nine years. Does everybody just auto accept that? Yes. Okay. That's like a yes. Yes. And you're talking about the places that have the highest expectations would accept that. Like Texas, would Texas

accept that? Absolutely. Would Georgia accept that? They go, Oh, well, we just won two. But then they go, Oh, wait, we didn't win any before that since 1980. All well, we just want to, but then they go. Oh wait, we didn't win any before that. Since 1980, so yeah, that's the question Andy. How many programs in the country? Would you estimate have the expectation to be competitive for the national title on an annual basis?

Should we name them? Wanna name it? Try let's try. OK, yeah, OK, so Ohio State would be one OK, I say so saying that starting to be 10 Ohio State. Penn State, Michigan, Oregon. Anybody else? OK, so like that's the

interesting thing is like. And we don't have to. This could be the whole show, but yeah, is it Michigan's expectation to compete for the national championship every year? Is it Penn States? Because if you think it is, I would say it's Michigan's now based on what they spent on Bryce Underwood, but it wasn't always, but also too competitive for the national championship means that you're one of the

15 teams that theoretically could win it right. Or one of the 20 games. It doesn't mean that you, you advance the semis every year It means that you're right in the mix every year, but we saw those think we think Michigan Because a lot of you know, we've gone over the reasons for Michigan having the dip last year And we think they're gonna get out of the dip. The offense is gonna be functional and they'll be fine So yeah, it doesn't mean that you meet the expectations It means that on August 1st every year, your team and your fans are gearing up

for a national title run. Yeah. So that's four in the Big Ten. That wasn't the case for Michigan and Penn State five years ago. But now with the playoff expanding, maybe that's different because being competitive for the title means making it to the playoff probably. So that's four.

Four in the Big Ten, Notre Dame, that's five. Yep. Okay. Let's go to the ACC. Clemson. Yep. That's six. Florida State one. I do believe those are the expectations at Florida State. It's hard to say after last year. It's hard to say that, but you can, let's add them. Seven. What about Miami? That's a tricky one. I think they are now. I think the way they're spending suggests that that's the expectation. Okay, that's eight. I think that's it for the ACC. Am I missing anybody?

Nobody in the big 12. Nobody in the big 12. Okay, the SEC is Alabama. What do you think of Auburn? I don't think it's realistic to say that right now. I think they get in periods where it's like that. Okay. So Florida, Georgia, obviously, right?

So that's a- I don't know if Florida's there right now. Florida's fans expect to compete for national championship every year. Then put Auburn in there too. If we're gonna put Florida in there, put Auburn in there too. Yeah, Auburn then-

LSU for sure, Texas for sure, Texas A&M, Tennessee. 17th, Tennessee, Tennessee. Oklahoma. Yep. OK, so we're bordering on 20 just off the top of our head and we might. Oh great question from steel is USC one. We throw him in there, make it 20. Let's just say there's 20. So if you have 20 teams in a system where 12 teams make the playoff every year that are assembled and are competing at that level, winning one every 10 years is actually exceptional. Yeah, you'll take it.

JC says the definition needs to be refined. Perennial is not 20. We're not talking about perennial national title contenders. We're talking about perennial national title contenders. We're talking about perennial national title contender expectations. But how many are actually... So like perennial national championship contenders three years ago was probably five, right? Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and maybe one more. Yep. state Clemson and maybe one more. Yep. Those were like that was like that LSU. It was like the the Fang stocks, right? Like, you know, Google, Apple, whatever.

But like now we have questions of whether or not there are going to be any teams that are perennial. Like if Ohio State were to lose three games next year after losing their roster in this system, is that like a failure or is that just the reality of you build it, you build it, you build it, you lose everybody, including half your coaching staff, and then you don't get to bounce back and be elite again the following year. Maybe that sounds stupid at the moment, but like if we're sitting here a year from now when Ohio State went nine and three, is anybody going to be like,

what the hell happened? No, it's going to be the same tenor that Michigan had this year. It's like, yeah, Michigan stunk this year, but Hey, they won the national title two years ago and lost literally everybody except for, and we think this was a momentary dip where they're going to get better. So now we expect Michigan to be a top 15 team next year. So like, that is the thing of like, you cannot build your roster and possess the talent advantages that Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and Clemson possessed over that five to

seven year period at the beginning of the four team era. So I don't even know if one out of ten is even a reasonable expectation. It's like if you are typing into the chat Ohio State's in shambles, they won't win one for another 10 years. Like that's not the burn that you think it is. Um, and I think that people like, because Ohio State lost to Michigan this year have lost track on how difficult their path to the title was once the playoff started, like I, it's like, no one's like acknowledging that they had to beat Tennessee, Oregon, Texas, and Notre Dame. You mean, other than everyone who got up to speak

at their celebration? What do you mean? Everyone who spoke at their celebration mentioned how difficult the path was. Oh yeah, no, I'm not saying that they don't know that. I'm saying I think from a community standpoint, I don't know that it's been acknowledged enough from like the fan aspect.

Oh, yeah. Or at least appreciated enough to think that that's normal accomplishment. Freaking amazing. Now somebody had to win. Like somebody will have to win every year, but doing that year over year is so much different than winning your conference, winning a semi-final game and making it to the title game. The team that got the hardest path winning is not going to be normal. Yeah, and just expecting to win four games in a row like that. I mean, you look at regular

season schedules, Andy, it's like, who are we talking about on? You're talking about a team. We're talking about, oh, this is on Friday, a show that's coming out. No, this is show that is coming out later this week. And we're talking about South Carolina and they have a stretch in their 2025 schedule where you're just like, oh God, oh God. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah, are they a top 10 team? Yeah. Oh God, like Ohio State had the oh God after it's set its regular season schedule and like I think most of the time teams are going to fail in the Oh God scenario. So like that, yeah, but like, okay. So do you want to go back to Heartline now? I know that was a detour. Yeah, let's talk about that because this is a guy

who is the best at his position coach job. I don't think there's any debate over that. There are good wide receivers coaches. He's the best one. But he has not moved up to OC. He's not become a head coach. He's had opportunities to talk about OC jobs and head coach jobs, but he stayed at this job. Is it time to see if he wants to move up? Yeah. So he hit, he did move up, didn't he? I thought like two years ago when Kevin Wilson left, didn't they make him co offensive? Right around a call. His tire like you mean like promoting him to be the person who calls the plays. I think you asked Ryan Day the Chip Kelly arrangement did work better for him, but he probably needed it to be Chip Kelly. Or Bill O'Brien who was going to say somebody who has had his job has been in the head coach chair who understands who when if day gets that itch where he's like, I gotta get it and like you're not gonna do that with a Chip Kelly or the Bill O'Brien.

But now he's done it for a year. He's been the CEO head coach who is not the primary play caller. He won a national title. So could he do that now with somebody? Like could he help? Cause that's the thing, Ryan Day being an excellent play caller, which he is.

If he decided to do something like this bring Brian heartline up. He could help him learn how to be a good play caller but now Ryan day has had a year of experience of being more hands off. And allowing it to happen and allow it also work person to do their job. It worked. hands off and allowing it to happen and allowing that person to do their job. It worked. I don't know how you can go back in time and be like, okay, I'm going to call the plays again. The thing that you changed ultimately led to the perseverance and the arrival as national

champions. The question is David in the chat, Heartline is cozy. Guys, titles mean nothing. Okay. We're talking about, would he move Brian Heartline, would Ryan Day move Brian Heartline to the job of primary play caller? Which is the question. You can give anybody whatever title you want. Or does Ryan Day go try to find a veteran, another veteran play caller that is so veteran that he's not going to try to to big foot them? Well, here's the thing. You have to take stock in how much Brian Heartline means to you and your staff. And I'm assuming he means quite a bit, right? So at a point, at a certain

point, you have to reward the people. I mean, it's, it's a business and it's a job just like it is for us. Right. Like if you're, uh, at a place and you hold the same job for a long period of time and you aspire to be something else, you be, you grow resentful and you grow upset, right? Like people who he's put the work in. Right. Like people who he's put the work in.

So like to me, it's like a, how much has Brian heartlines growth as a coach from a developmental standpoint, from a recruiting standpoint, qualify him to call plays, and if you don't think that what he's done has qualified him to call plays and what can he do at his time at Ohio State to ever grow up the chain before he feels like he has to go somewhere else that will give him that opportunity. So like that to me is like a thing. And I've talked to Brian Hartline about what he aspires to be roughly 27 times since like 2019 because this is an annual discussion about him.

I don't know that he ever really takes into account, like, hey, I wanna be a head coach or I wanna be an offensive coordinator, but this is a speculation of just like human desire. And I'm assuming that once you have done this. And everybody has a different path in their own minds. And remember, Brian Hartline is in a very different place than other assistant coaches that are in his position.

Brian Heartline was an NFL player who got to a second contract. So financially, he's in a different realm than other major College football position coaches. And if I remember that correctly it was a max deal too wasn't it? Yeah well they don't have max deals in the NFL but they're like second contracts are typically very big yes. It was a wide receiver one deal. Yeah yeah exactly you you were a sought after free agent

you signed a big contract and so he's in a different, different world than some of those guys and may not be in the same hurry. He's had a five year, $31 million deal in 2013. Which was a, which was a huge deal at the time. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean that, that's the part that I think that makes this a little bit different. Cause I think in other cases where you have somebody who's developed that many first round receivers who's got good at recruiting them. Like that person would hold you over a barrel and be like you are going to give me a promotion or I am leaving. He doesn't have to do that. I don't know if's your opinion on his current position and what he's done for Ohio State and how that may or may not qualify a human being to call plays?

That's the part of it. You don't know how good a play caller somebody is until they call plays. And that's, that is the hardest part. Now, here's the thing. If you're Ryan Day, you can take a chance on somebody who hasn't called plays before, because if worse comes to worse, you can always call the plays. And we've seen that happen before with different coaches. Yeah, I think he's an essential piece to their staff that they have to do what they can to keep him. And I think that with Ryan Day's play calling experience, if the difference between keeping Heartline and losing him is this promotion, I think you give it to him. Yeah. Now, look, if Heartline wants to be a head coach, he doesn't ever have to call plays to be a good head coach. I remember a certain wide receivers coach at Notre Dame who never called plays who got hired as Bowling Green's head coach and then bounced around to a few places and pretty darn good head coach without ever being an offensive quarter. I'm talking about Irving Meyer, of course. So there's a lot of ways to slice this particular apple,

but I'm fascinated by this because they still have to hire a DC. Now they have to hire an OC. You assume the OC will have input on the offensive line coach. I mean, that's a lot of change and a lot of change in an era where you probably don't have the prohibitive talent advantage that you used to have? And you know, every single time you things go wrong with a offense or a defense or a team, what do you analyze three years down the line? Well, did they make the right hire at that moment? Like it's a big moment for Ohio State. Now I know. I mean, things just seem less high leverage when you're coming

off of a title though, but you can do it in a calm and relaxed way. It's not, there's no desperation and you know, the hope for everybody in this position is that they make the right, they make the right hires. But if they don't, that might be the reason they don't repeat and they have to make more hires later. Like it's so hard to get this right all the time too. What do you say that in terms of the coaching, I always simplify a coach's job description into a pie chart

and try to say recruiting was 85% of it, coaching was 10% of it, X's and O's was 5% of it, culture was 1%, whatever. But coaching hires is probably 10% of it, Xs and Os was 5% of it, culture was 1%, whatever. But like coaching hires is probably 10% of it, right? Like in nailing or coaching hires are probably more. And maybe more than that, Ari. It's all part of culture and everything else. But like I go back to Urban Meyer,

covering him at Florida, it was highly unusual that they managed to keep their staff together. I don't even think they had an assistant leave for three years. So they won two national titles with essentially the same staff. And then they lost Dan Mullen after the second national

title and then they lost Charlie Strong the following year. And I think that probably was what ended it for Urban Meyer at Florida is losing Dan Mullen and losing Charlie Strong. And the job suddenly got much harder because those guys were doing a lot of the hardest work. And that's the thing as a head coach, you have to be able to hire coordinators

who can help you carry that load. Yeah. Or it crushes you. Yeah, no question. So I'm excited to track it. You know, it's gonna be interesting for sure. Yep. And later in the show, we're gonna talk about a reunion of a head coach and coordinator. But next, I want to talk about something that is is kind of just a sign of the times. And

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Is it going to be a spring game? Is it going to be a scrimmage? Here's his answer to that. Troy Gannon said the other day that April 26th, there will be something here. Are you able to say at this point whether or not there will be any form of scrimmage that day? Yeah, I don't know that yet, but I'll be honest with you, I highly doubt it. And I think it's really fundamentally, I hate to say it like this,

it's really because last year we were one of the more televised spring games. And I dealt with a lot of people offering our players a lot of opportunities after that. So to go out and bring in a bunch of new players and then showcase them for all the other schools to watch, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The word tampering doesn't exist anymore. It's just absolute free open common market.

And so I don't necessarily want to open up to the outside world. I don't want these guys all being able to watch our guys and say, wow, he looks like a pretty good player. Let's go get him. But I don't know yet. I don't know anything. I just thought it was important that we really started to broach that subject of it not being televised.

Yet at the same time, I do wanna show off our players in some way. So what exactly it'll be yet? I mean, I have not worried about anything other than recruiting right now, both the portal and into the 26 class. So now I have to kind of turn my attention to all those things. So I don't disagree with a single thing. Matt Ruhl just said, like, you can have a kind of fan day

where they come meet the players, but he's right. I mean, why would you give anybody the opportunity to scout your roster? Because what do you do in a spring game? You play the young guys. Like, why on earth would you give anybody the opportunity to scout your roster? Because what do you do in a spring game? You play the young guys like why on earth would you give somebody an opportunity to scout your roster? Why they can they can just go get them. Do people go to spring games because they're excited. They like football.

No, I know, but they go to see the recruits that they don't talk to the media for the first time. That's what people go. That's true. They go to watch the young players. I agree with it. And like, I don't know like what has to happen. Here's the thing. Does anybody as a fan like the tampering aspect of our game? I don't think so. I think they like it when it benefits their team, right?

Like when your team gets a good player, you're excited. But like, does anybody like the... I don't think anybody likes it because there's a scuzzy aspect to it. Like in the NFL, you can sign free agents, but their contract is up. Like, it's not like you're going and trying to swipe somebody who's under contract.

This is, nobody's under contract because the schools refuse to acknowledge that they probably work for him But I don't think anybody likes thievery Right, right And it all feels underhanded and it feels you know back alley and so and they know what the truth is Yeah And like listen, I'm not gonna accuse any team of doing it because I you know whatever I don't know because they all do

it and they all do it but like surface service academies even like a good player who comes to your school as a result. Of tampering like do the fans of that school even view that player if they are just a solid player who comes in and helps a little bit on a team that you know goes 10 and 2 and doesn't want a national title as like a part of that universities fraternity forever like I think that like when players come in as a rental they're viewed as a rental right like I don't want depends on a few a few players depending on the situation. I think now Will Howard won a

national title but but Will Howard situation Walter Nolan situation are going to be viewed completely differently. I think by Ole Miss fans in Ohio State fans down the road if Ohio State would have just lost to Michigan and not made the playoff like Will Howard would be a blip on the history of Ohio State football and he wouldn't be viewed as a Buckeye for life. You know what I mean? Like I don't like I I, it's just like, I think that there is a connection. And I think the reason why college football is different than every other sport is because most people

who root for these schools went to the institutions and the players that they're rooting for go to the institutions for the same reasons that they did, which is to get a degree and to become an adult and to experience the places that they experienced when they went to school there. And when a player comes in in August and then leaves in December or January, if they don't become an icon on the field, they aren't a member of that fraternity, right? So like, I don't know what has to happen right I think I kind of do know what has to happen for this to stop but like we don't get to watch spring games now because we're afraid that our team is gonna get pillaged like that sucks like it's not we haven't gotten to watch spring games and like

when's the last time somebody staged a real spring game doesn't happen like the rules where it's like four quarters and they actually play it was like two football teams where they mix them up like I remember going to one in Michigan It doesn't happen often. In terms of like the rules where it's like four quarters and they actually play a football game? Where it's like two football teams where they mix them up. Like I remember going to one in Michigan in the early parball era. You want to watch your team run offense? Yeah, they just split the team up. It wasn't even ones versus ones and twos versus twos.

Like they mixed the ones and the twos up and had them play together. It was wild. I was like, wow, this is a very well coached team because nobody, nobody false started the whole game. But. They were drafts, right? Where they would have a team captain on both sides. They would take exactly. And they pick, but they don't do that anymore. But like also too, it's just like if you are a fan of Georgia and they sign a five star receiver

who hasn't spoken to the media and the first time he's ever going to run routes and Sanford stadium is in the spring game, people pay tickets to go watch that happen. You know, like I do think that like the lay the hangover between mid January and August is awful in this country because we don't have football at all. And I'm sorry, the UFL is just not going to fill the hole in the heart. It's not going to cut it. Yeah. And like the spring game season where you had a few games to watch on TV was a nice

element boost to help you get through the long lull of the off season. And like, I don't know like, if you're one of these people who not you just people watching is who cares about the spring game it's like okay yeah I mean like it's not the end of the world but it does like it's one more thing that we're losing as a result of a messed up system that doesn't have any rules. And I like, I like want to get to a place where at least you're able to police it because there's no way that you can now. Yeah. Now we'll see if they ever get to like a collective bargaining thing with contracts. I think they're going to get there at some point one way or the other, cause they're going to have to, it's just not going to be tenable to keep doing it like this, but I have thrown out an idea and I'm not, listen, I'm not original on this.

I know there were coaches talking about this and that's where I gleaned it from. You don't have to do it the way you do it now. There is a potential better way to do it. And my question, and I don't know if you can do this or not in the current climate, My question, and I don't know if you can do this or not in the current climate, because it would require you to change the transfer portal window and reduce it from two to one. And I don't know if you can do that. But the reason I think you have

that post spring transfer portal window is you want the guys who decided to stay and then found out they don't have a starting job or found out that they're not really wanted on this roster to have a chance to go to where else. What if you did all the roster building in the spring? And then like the NFL, you get the team together after the spring. That way you can have everybody who's transferring if they want to stay at their old school through the spring semester and get their classes taken care of, they can. And then they can learn their new schemes with their new teammates, work with their new teammates. So I wrote a column about

this a few months ago. Like you do it like the NFL with OTAs. You start it in late May or early June and you have like 15 practices. They don't have to all be in a row. Like you could probably spread them out over the summer. You can have five here, five here, five here. And that way your roster's built. Everybody who is planning to play, let's say if we did it like that this year, everybody who is planning to play in the 2025 season

would be on your campus or summer school and would be doing OTAs. And then you don't worry about the roster moves and the poaching. And maybe you could have a pre-season game against an FCS school instead of a spring game. Yeah, this is kind of like the Joel Clatt. Commissioner thing, right? Of like separating Ross from that out there. He mentioned it too, but he doesn't like my

idea, but. But like also like the idea of just like blocking when to compete and when to assemble, I think is an interesting distinction. Yeah, because I just feel like it doesn't have to happen in April. Like if you want to let coaches concentrate on evaluating high school recruits during that time, let them do that. I'm with you. I'm with you. And it gives you a longer.

Now the players players will hate me because I just, I just created a longer block of just pure workouts, which is hell. Like January through May of pure workouts. Yeah. I do think, I do think though that like, if you were able to partition it off, so fans could even know what part of the year we're in. It's like, I, it's like, it's like hard to compartmentalize like roster building while your team is competing.

Right. And that would eliminate that December scramble. Like, because you wouldn't need the reason the scramble exists in December is because of the academic calendar. It's not because of anything else. It's because the players want to be in their new school enrolled for the spring semester so they can participate in spring practice Well, if there's no spring practice because that's not until the summer semester Then they don't have to be enrolled for the spring semester Yeah, I still could yeah, so that's that's the part I think is is Interesting because there are fixes to the calendar that don't require

something much more global like collected bargaining and contracts and all that Because I think the December part of it is Maddening like if I were a coach it would drive me crazy if I were a player I would hate it It's just like think about it the fresher you're under to make a decision in like two days. It's also the feeling of like having to defend your players at all times, too. It's like any time anybody does something good, it's like, oh, God, we're going to lose them. It's just like a terrible way to imagine like every single time.

Like. I don't know like say Kwan Barkley rushes for 200 yards in the game. Eagles fans had to be like, well, I hope he doesn't go to the Patriots next week like exactly. Not yeah, it's like not a fun existence. So at producer River just pointed out like both review list should not have

to leave Penn State to go to Missouri. Because Missouri wanted to know who their quarterback was going to be. Missouri wanted a quarterback who was going to be there for the spring. If there's no spring practice in Missouri, doesn't start OTAs until May 26th. Bo Prabula could have played in the playoff for Penn State, could have had multiple weeks to make that decision after the season was over.

Still wound up at Missouri, gotten to practice with all his new teammates and be the starter for Missouri in 2025. And it would have been a lot easier process for everyone involved. And I hate to say this, but Penn State was in a one possession game in the playoffs semi-final. And there's no possible way to quantify this.

But if Bo Pribula was on their team and he came in and made a big play on the ground in the third quarter that they didn't get, they could have been in the national title game. Like, it's like, it's not, it's like, you know, it's hard to play that game now, but it's like, he was an important enough piece to that roster that he could have made a play

that changed the outcome of their season. Like, and it sucks that he wasn't able to be there to even have the option to do that, right? So the other thing that you have to consider too in this is that like, you're also prolonging or increasing the potential of a person becoming injured, which then causes a look like your next opportunity to maybe not show up, like, you know, but I think that's a secondary issue, so I think I'm with you on that, but this this allows you to have the same free market. Everybody to have the same freedom of movement. This way also you don't get coaches, Okidokan guys and then they've got to leave after the spring. Yeah.

You decide what you're like as a coach. You decide what your roster, like as a coach, you decide what your roster is gonna be going into that period and they still have a chance to go, go somewhere else. And then they can go through the pre-season workouts, practices with their new team. Like, cause there's, it doesn't matter if it happens

March 27th or that practice is May 27th. That doesn't really change. Now the only thing is coaches may say, well, I want more time in case somebody gets injured in spring practice. You may have to change where you practice a little bit in the OTAs, but there is a league that does it successfully where you could probably get some advice. Yeah. Are there there aren't a lot of like big offseason injuries and in the NFL are there not till preseason camp, which it's

pretty much the same rate of as college preseason camp. Like if you are going to practice football, there's a risk. So right. But yeah, and you have guys get hurt no TAs like there are guys who have non contact like ACL tears in OTAs, it happens. But that's part of the part of the deal. That's part of the I'm, I have no problem with Matt rule, saying this doing this, I hope for the sake of

Nebraska fans who are amazing, who show up no matter what, I hope they they find a way to allow them to interact with this team to get to know these players because that's that's one thing I think I don't want to paint with a broad brush. But I do think most schools mess this up. Like, you don't give the fans an opportunity to get to know these guys. They keep them so locked down. And I don't think that's good. Like you you want the fans to fall in love with these guys. So you got to find a way to do that. Now, there's a way to do that that isn't going to reveal how good your second

string three technique is. So that somebody tries to steal him and make him their starter. There's ways to do it, but you got to be a little creative. Is it kind of fun to go into a season to not knowing what you have or do you kind of like to know going to a season what teams have? Well, I don't think we know what teams have at all like we haven't known that for a while and especially now in the transfer portal era Ari like we have no idea what the chemistry is going to be. The coaches don't really know they have some idea based on spring practice and offseason workouts, but it's very hard to tell what what your team is when the rosters change this dramatically.

Like that was so we'll have a show talking about my predicting the 2025 playoff bracket. We're going to talk about that later this week. And if you want to read about that, it's out right now at on three. And I'm going to do I'm gonna do mine today after I'm gonna do mine. It's your turn, yes. So I explained that picking the big 12 champ, picking the highest ranked group of five champ, it's so hard because the rosters are changing so much. Like how do you, you have no idea what everybody's gonna have.

No idea. Yeah. So, but I don't blame that rule for this at all. If they want to fix it, change the calendar first, because they can fix it with the calendar, or they, they can try. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe if you try to change the calendar like that, and you took away the December period and you said, I'm just gonna, we're just gonna have a period

between February and April that's open for roster building. I don't know if that would be enough. Maybe that gets issued, I don't know. But I feel like that would be a better solution. You move the practices from March and April to May and June, and it gives you a chance, maybe. Yeah, and everybody has indoor facilities now too, so like the temperature even isn't that big of a deal.

It didn't. It was the temperature like part of the reason why spring football was was where it was. Not really, I mean like in Florida in high school, they do it in May. It's hot as hell in May. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't think that's really the issue either. They can figure this out. This is one thing you can probably come up

with a little bit of a solution. All right, all right. We talked about Wendy's dynamic duos. We got a dynamic duo back together in college football. Ryan Grubb and Kalen Dabour. Ryan Grubb, for those who don't know, was Kalen Dabour's longtime OC. They worked together at multiple stops. He was gonna come to Alabama with Kalen Dabour from Washington,

but then the Seahawks hired Ryan Grubb as their offensive coordinator. It did not go the way everybody wanted it to. The Seahawks fired him last month. Now Ryan Grubb as their offensive coordinator. It did not go the way everybody wanted it to. The Seahawks fired him last month. Now Ryan Grubb is headed to Tuscaloosa to work with Kalen DeBore again. This tandem has been really good in the past. Ari, do you think this changes what our expectations should be for Alabama's offense? Let me answer your question with the question was Washington's

offense two years ago, like some of the most fun offense you've watched like in college football period. This is one million percent. Yeah. I don't know if you're an Alabama fan if you recall like watching Pac-12 after dark two years ago, but it was sensational and I don't know how much of that was having a quarterback with a laser beam attached to his shoulder. Or if that was having

Romo Dunze and Jalen Polk on the team. They were so creative, so innovative, so aggressive, so entertaining. Like, how could you not be pumped about this? Like how could you not be pumped about this? I yeah, exactly and They've got one quarterback in Austin Mac who Ryan Grubb helped recruit to Washington. So we know he likes him We'll see what happens with Ty Simpson How they work together because it looked like Ty Simpson was the guy who was who was ready to send the starting job You also have Keelan Russell coming in, the recruit from Texas. So, Kaylin DeBoer tried it this way with Nick Sheridan as the play caller.

That did not work the way they wanted it to. You know, the Alabama fans, if you read the message boards, they very much blame Jalen Milrow for how bad the offense was. I said, oh, it can't possibly be him because if he was so bad, why wouldn't they just start somebody else? I was at the senior bowl practices last week, Ari, and I don't think I've ever felt this way about a person where they probably would have been better off not coming to the senior bowl, but about a person where they probably would have been better off not coming to the senior bowl. But I think Jalen Miller would have been better off not coming to the senior bowl. Really? Like, maybe it was.

Maybe those messages were people were right. It's like the tweet. I got to hand it to the haters. The haters really nailed this one. The haters said I couldn't do it. But yeah, yeah, the haters, they were right. Yeah, I couldn't do it. The haters said I couldn't do it, but yeah, yeah, the haters, they were right. Yeah, I couldn't do it.

Now I still have the same question though. If it was that bad, why didn't you go to somebody else? Because that that leads me to believe that the somebody else's weren't better, but It was tough to watch during those senior bowl practices last week. Yeah, well the thing that is I'm having the hardest time with and I actually have to like consider this as we end the show here, you know, a few minutes and I go to do my bracket for next year of like who is the quarterback that makes you excited that Alabama has?

Like that's the thing. It's like, is Ty Simpson gonna come out and be a first round draft pick? Like we've seen him a little bit. What we've seen of him isn't jaw dropping. You know, a player can get better. A player can develop. But like, do you feel especially confident in Alabama's quarterback situation going into next year? And like, are you surprised that they weren't more aggressive in trying to bring somebody in? It leads me to believe they like Keelan Russell a lot.

That's the wild card here, right? Like are you going to a true freshman? And it can work. It can work. Has worked at Alabama before. Jalen Hurts took them to the National Title Game as a true freshman. And was not the greatest passer in the world,

but managed to make it work. So I do think it and that's the thing we've talked about this with multiple teams and I think it's a it's a very interesting point because I don't know if it's right or not. When when a team does not aggressively go after some position group in the portal. It leads me to believe that the coaches think they're good there, that they like what they've got there. Do you know what I think about with the Grubhire? The Apple Cup from two years ago. Do you remember the ending? Oh yeah. Yep. The Apple Cup was tied with a minute and 15 seconds remaining and they Washington faced a fourth down and one from its own 29. So like, they set the punt team out. But then they called the timeout because they were never going to punt. Then they called this like triple option concept

where there was a dive quarterback keep option or they could pitch the ball to a Roma dunce who was in motion coming behind the line and They pitched it to Odunze and he ran up the sideline for like 40 yards and it was the perfect Yeah, even the cameraman was fooled And I like first of all I watched that play in the PF Chang's bar in Ann Arbor because I had covered Michigan Ohio State earlier that day. So that was on the TV on my iPad earlier that day. So that was on the TV. On my iPad was it all comes back to Alabama. Jalen Milrow was Jalen throwing to Isaiah Bond on fourth in goal from the 31 in the iron. So

like you also have to put yourself in a position of where Washington was when they called that play. They weren't just because if you don't get it, you lose. Right. But Washington was also undefeated at that moment. And like they were, they gambled their entire season on that call. And not only did they just go for it, they had the perfect play dialed up. It fooled the cameraman. Oh, do they ran up the sideline? They ultimately won and went to the playoff and eventually played for the national championship. That shit is awesome. I cannot imagine the pressure that Grubb and DeBoer had to be feeling in the five seconds before the ball was snapped on that play.

I can't imagine how big of a man, a dude's dude, you'd have to be to even call that. And not just go for it in the moment, but to have been prepared from a scouting standpoint and play calling design standpoint to know you were going to get it. Like that to me is what being an offensive coordinator and offensive coach is all about. And that duo is back together with a team that has a bunch of really good players. That's a really exciting and really exciting notion to me. So they've worked together at Sioux Falls at Fresno State at Washington like these guys know

each other really well. So and that's what you wonder was was Ryan Grubb the missing piece for Kalin DeBoer last year? Because listen, Kalin DeBoer didn't suddenly become a terrible coach. He was the same guy who had done all that in Washington, who had made Fresno State very good. He had really good players. So what was the difference?

The difference was he didn't have Ryan Grubb. So maybe this changes it. Maybe it changes it. Maybe. And you know what else changes it? It's like, Keelan Russell comes in and is a fucking badass. Like that changes it too. That also could possibly change it. Or it's Austin Mack. Austin Mack is the guy that Ryan Grubb helped recruit to Washington. It would be great if like a Washington recruit who transferred in became the next Great Bama player. I mean, when you think about it, all the there have been a ton of quarterback transfers

from northern football to southern football that have been awesome. So you know you never know. Sound like Doug Lamar East there. I think I kind of did and I and I realized it after, but like also to think Austin Mac is from the north though. I don't know if he's going to a northern roster to take. Yeah, but like also it's like Cam Ward. You know that type of thing like exactly now

Oklahoma is doing it with with wazoo like it's like it's on it's here. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Act from Folsom, California originally. So that's the king of the North right there. Is it? Where's our line? I don't know where in California. It's Northern California. So I, you know, Doug told me Doug told me that the South gets Berkeley and Palo Alto. Oh, the last time I talked, Folsom's up there, right?

Folsom is up. All right. Now I'm now I'm hitting the maps on this because I need to know exactly what line of latitude Folsom falls on. All right. It is north of Sacramento. Okay, it's very close to the line here. Very close player.

Yeah, when I think of the South, I think of Palo Alto. Doug, let me tell you. Yeah, when I think of the South I think of Palo Alto Doug. Let me tell you Yeah, it's it's pretty much right on the line so But no Doug Doug said that that the South gets Stanford and Cal and I said the South will be Thrilled to raise a second in profile Doug Doug can't claim them if they turn out to be good That's it though. You get to keep you know it's over. Yeah. Yeah. But no, that's it's exciting and I think if you're an

Alabama fan, you should be excited about this. Alright, one more move and it is a is a move back. Fifth Pogi headed back to Ann Arbor. He was the Charlotte head coach. Now he's got a very long backstory managed to hedge fund resuscitated a high school program in Baltimore and turned it into a national powerhouse that continues to pump out players to this day. He also worked very closely with Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. He is coming back to Michigan

to help out Sharon Moore and company. He'll be rejoining the staff. River play that clip. Good question. I'm gonna keep my cigar lit. No, no problem. Still the best interview we've ever done on the show. Ever been a cigar guy?

Had a few back in the day. And a few, but. Yeah, I don't know. Not not my thing either, but listen, the sleevelessness of it all. I think I want to live life like Biff I want to live a life without sleeves can I do that is that possible yeah I mean you kind of do I mean you do wear like very like it says shows over I just ripped

this off there's tank top underneath you wear you wear I work out friendly clothes a lot well yeah cuz you never know what a workout may break out. Yeah. By the way, if people have been paying attention to the chat, so are two of our stalwarts in the chat, Ferris, who's a Michigan fan, and Dot, who's an Ohio State fan, up in the middle of the chat somewhere,

I'll let you guys go find it, we're arguing about CrossFit, and who would be better at CrossFit? Now I need to see photos of these guys to know who I should pick in this. But now I'm wondering, do we need to have like a WOD that we work out of the day, like an Andy and Ari on three WOD challenge,

like where we have people in the chat facing off against one another. day like a an Andy and Ari on three WAD challenge like. Where we have people in the chat facing off against one another. CrossFit seems to be the most intimidating like workout style that a human who doesn't work out could go do. It is and yes, if you don't do that stuff very often, watching those people would make you want to throw up. But it's actually not, you've got to work your way into it. Like you can't do the weights that the people do in the videos that you're watching, or that some of the more experienced people are doing, you have to just work your way to it.

Like even people who are in pretty good shape, who do lift weights, like you could be confronted with one of those workouts and you think, oh, this guy, he's only got 40 pound dumbbells, I'm gonna be fine. And then like two minutes in you're dying because you don't realize how many reps there are with those 40 pound dumbbells. Whenever I see the CrossFit videos,

I just feel like, oh, I would hurt myself if I tried to do that. Yeah, you have to be a little careful. You have to be a little careful. There's... Some of it goes a little extreme, but some of it is good too. You just have to kind of figure out where the line is. But yeah, some of it like... and Ferris was talking about not being able to do a pull-up. You keep working at it. you get the pull-ups. Like, I couldn't do a pull-up a few years ago. You can do pull-ups?

And I can do, I can do pull-ups, yeah. Yeah, no shot. I try to do a pull-up in the bar bent. I bet, that's a Rodney Dangerfield joke right there. I bet, I bet you could do a pull-up right now. No shot. And I bet within a few months you could do multiple pull ups. No shot. All right.

Well, we'll have to find a way. I feel like I'm in marginally. Okay shape now too, but like a pull up. I think it's the hardest like is they were the most intimidating thing to me in the world when I was heavier isn't a isn't a pull up the hardest like body weight exercise you can possibly do? No, there's some harder ones. What? Oh, I mean, you can you can do the like hand stands and

you can do the I mean, there's all kinds like walking on your hands like a like a pure strength standpoint like doing that. I mean, yes, I just you have to literally pull yourself up. And it's your entire body weight Like when I was my fattest I've ever been I could do a push-up Like I don't think that anybody who right because it's not your full body weight But I don't think that anybody who's not in great shape can do a pull-up just off and like a heavy person Can't just do it you have to work to that you do have to work to it

But also you you're working your weight down So you're kind of meeting in the middle. And I think you keep doing what you're doing. You will be doing not just one pull-up, but multiple pull-ups. What's a muscle up? Somebody said a muscle up is the hardest. A muscle up is a harder version of a pull-up.

Like you gotta go, that's the one you, is that the one you go up and over the bar? That's a CrossFit thing too. Oh yeah, you have to like do a pull-up your bot your head in your chest or above the bar. What are these? Yeah, you go above the bar stuff. You ever think about like when you're watching a horror movie and you're just like. What kind of sick person would even think about this when they were writing the script?

How is that not the same thing when it comes to like exercise? That's straight coaches as they as they figure out what to do. Keegan in the chat pistol squats as the hardest. Pretty tough one. Anyway, you're right about that. Yeah, this is where I and this is where I learned that that I'm getting old and my son has vastly surpassed me. So he saw the Alex Orji doing pistol squats on a on a block where he's like picking up things off the ground because he's getting so low. And so. I think it's on a BOSU ball, which is the you know, that it's got a flat surface and it's got a rubber ball on the bottom. Whoever created that should be thrown into prison. Whoever created that should be thrown into prison by the wall Yeah, he dropped something on the ground and drops down into a pistol squat and picks it up off the ground and I was like

Oh good Lord That's pretty good. I I would rip every ligament my body if I try to do that. He just did that for fun Mm-hmm. Oh Dave's here says climbing a rope is harder than a pulp So they have a rope at my gym now and my daughter always makes me do it I think Dave's here's it's definitely harder than a pull up yeah my gym there's a rope but as you do yeah yeah pulling it down so I did it the other day and I thought I was gonna rip my lats in half it was it's awful like the all the all the cuz that's like this the standard sitcom plot like the kid in gym class can't climb the rope We never had that in gym class Now I know why it was the sitcom plot though. It sucks Yeah

Yeah Good just thinking about working out makes me hungry Well good you need the protein yeah Well, good. You need the protein. Yeah, we're having a Super Bowl party this weekend. One more thing before we go. And I am going to order a massive amount of food. Just so you know, it's going to be like... Oh, well, Dynamic Duos.

Obscene. You do 20 nugs for seven bucks. You do two singles for seven bucks. You do a single and 10 nugs. You can do a spicy chicken sandwich and 10 nugs. That's your, your, your Pulse for Power couple. I did go to a Thanksgiving dinner at my uncle's house when I was 23.

And they didn't do turkey and they didn't do stuffing and all that stuff. What they did was they had a Wendy's area with nuggets and burgers. They had a Domino's area. They had a candy area, an ice cream area. They had... Is this person Donald Trump hosting the Clemson Tigers at the White House? Yeah, they went to every fast food restaurant and got their best item and brought it onto the table. And they had like all displayed nicely on like nice China and stuff. And it was by far one of the best nights of my life.

It's that sounds pretty tremendous. That does. All right. One, one more thing. We got, we got a coach getting into our business, Rhett Lashley, the SMU coach. He's a, he's a Dallas resident to be critical of other coaches slash sports leaders, but for obvious reasons. But after almost 24 hours trying to figure out the reason to trade away a generational player, I still got nothing feels way over thought. He's of course talking about the Luca Donchich for Anthony Davis trade. That was the trade off. I'm not sure if that's the right word for it. I'm not sure if that's the right word for it. I'm not sure if that's the right word for it.

I'm not sure if that's the right word for it. I'm. I still got nothing, feels way over thought. He's of course talking about the Luca Doncic for Anthony Davis trade. That was the trade heard around the world. Like that's one thing covering college football, Ari. We don't have trades in college football. And like sometimes you get a bomb dropped. I was asleep Saturday when that happened. I woke up Sunday morning.

I'm like, they did what? So when I woke up, yeah, was it was yesterday morning, right? When I woke up from my slumber, I thought it was a bunch of accounts got hacked. Yeah, like it. And that's how you know, like. Yeah.

And I was in public quite a bit yesterday went to the park a few different parks my daughter. We took her to lunch went to bowling and like people in Dallas are like Upset, I don't mean like like fans go like people are like what the hell like I think that's just like the general the general well I don't understand the upside for the Mavs I realize this is not an NBA show but like I get it for the Lakers it's great move for the Lakers but I have no idea how this benefits the Mavs the only thing that I can think of is that like maybe something was be happening behind the scenes that we're unaware of. But the thing that I can't, the only number I can't get out of my head is 25. And that's how old Luca is. And like, I don't know, I'm not much of an NBA guy. I like watching the playoffs, but like my thought about Luca was that he was the next dirt, right? Like he was like the, the,

the player that was going to be on the Mavericks for 15 years and become a city legend. So to trade him for Anthony Davis, who, you know, I don't know, is he playing great basketball right now? I mean, in my head, like as a casual NBA. He's playing well, best offensive player on the Lakers, but he's never shown that he can be the alpha on a championship team. And now he goes to play with Kyrie Irving also, was on a championship team but was not the alpha and has never. He'd make the biggest. I mean Kyrie Irving on the championship team knocked down the game winning shot. The biggest shot.

Yes, I agree. Yeah, but LeBron has to chase down block too. Yeah, Kyrie Irving though too. I think is a very underrated player from a ball handling standpoint. Like the way he plays the game is really really really great. I just like I don't know. They must have thought that he was going to leave when he was a free agent. That's the only thing one more year there

and then yeah, but even then it's like are the Mavericks better now than they were two days ago? I I don't think so. Is that so the whole point of trading is to get better? And that's the thing like Rhett Lashley. you and I both know him, like he's a pretty reasonable guy.

And yeah, like also guys who get are in that role and get criticized so much for what they do and Rett's in that role and he gets criticized a ton. Like they don't do that lightly. He's just like everybody else and I was like, what the hell? I just think that it's just like, you know, you get people who, when trades happen who are mad and some people are happy. It's like, I think general, like shock is not a good response

that you want from your family. No. Like I think the entire city is just like, what the hell? Yep. Before we go, let me tell you what we're doing this week. Ari and I are going to New Orleans. Thanks to Xfinity and their blazing fast internet

speed. We're going to be in New Orleans recording a special show that's going to run Friday 930 a.m. Eastern time. So we'll be in the midst of all the hoopla working on a very big interview for that show. We don't have the final details quite yet, but hopefully I will be able to reveal that soon. But special show from New Orleans, Friday, 9.30 a.m. Eastern time, presented by Xfinity.

But of course, we also got shows every day, Monday through Friday, 9.30 a.m. Eastern, and we'll talk to you tomorrow.