Andy & Ari On3 - Ohio State SOARS to the National Title Game after beating Texas | Cotton Bowl CFP Instant Reaction

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

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Welcome to Andy and Ari on three. Your instant reaction to the cotton bowl. We have a national title game, Ohio State and Notre Dame. Ari, we had a very exciting finish to this semi-final that started kind of like last night where it looked like a team was going to dominate the whole way. And by half time, I realized this is going to be a game. I just want to know where who holds us right now. He's asleep in a chair. Andy just Ohio State one Ohio State covered the spread. Ohio State didn't dominate that game by any stretch of the nation.

And I think coming into the game, we had this, you know, vision of what they did against Oregon, what they did against Tennessee, and you just thought that, you know, Texas team that went to overtime with Arizona State just wouldn't be able to hang. And the truth is is that they did an incredible job defending Jeremiah Smith. I think he finished with one catch for three yards in this game. Yeah, I mean, they tried to force it to him a couple times and one of them ended up in an interception, and then they stopped trying to force it because it wasn't worth the risk of throwing a pick. You know, and I think sometimes the value of having a receiver like that is how much

attention and energy needs to be dictated towards him to open up other people. But the fact of the matter is, is that, you know, me being a prisoner of the moment, you know, as much as I am on our pod and trying to work on that, you know, Ohio State to the national championship game now has had by far the hardest path of anybody in this thing. And the notion that they were just going to go through this whole route without having to even break a sweat may have been a little bit of premature thinking, right? Like this was a tough game. I think Texas's defense played their ass off. There are plays in the game that I think you can go back and go, well, I'm not sure about that play call here or there.

But Texas made them earn it. And to lose that way, I can understand would be very, very difficult because they had them. And I thought Texas did enough to actually win this game tonight. And Ohio State just- what are we calling Jack? Sawyer's play we're gonna call that 92 yards to the heart of Texas. Yeah, they're deep through the heart of Texas That was incredible 14 Zeke run. Was it that was the heart of the south? Yeah Yeah, this that Jack Sawyer play

Was about the perfect way for it to end We are going to get into the play calling from first and goal from the one by C. Sarkisian in Texas. But that Jack Sawyer play, he just annihilates Texas is right tackle on that play, hits his former roommate Quinn Ubers, strips it, grabs it, runs it in. This is the guy, remember, in a fight over Michigan trying to plant a flag on the field at Ohio Stadium not long ago yeah that was going to be the lasting image of this Ohio State season and now one of the lasting images of this Ohio State season will be Jack Sawyer running it in after sacking Quinn Ubers after forcing a fumble after

picking it up to clinch Ohio State's spot in the national title game. Yeah and I think that you know we're gonna have to discuss after this video who's doing what but you know there is a Jack Sawyer angle to this because if you're you know an Ohio State fan you remember a kid from Pickerington you know 15 minutes away from Ohio State's campus was a five-star prospect and somebody that I thought was compared to a BOSA. Like, I mean, yeah, what you're supposed to be a BOSA, Chase Young, that's the same kind of that I believe committed to Ohio State as a true freshman in high school and, you know, developed into a really, really important piece of their

recruiting class for multiple years. And the truth of the matter is, is that Jack Sawyer during his career never amounted to that. Now that's not saying that he's not good. He was, he was good. He was not. A boss of brother. Good. Like, I mean, both those are legendary generational players. So, um, But he has been the last three weeks. The last three weeks, he's played his best three games of his Ohio state career. And you know, more than anything, when Ohio state lost to Michigan and seeing that scene that you just painted out, like you feel for a kid who's a local who now is going to go four years in a row

without. The clip that went viral of him just screaming and Ryan Day standing there looking helpless and that's not how you wanted it to end for Jack Sawyer. This is how you wanted it and it's not over. He's got a chance to win the national title now. So we're going gonna break down that game quite a bit here in the next week or so. Both Andy and I are gonna be in Atlanta

for the four days leading into that game. I cannot wait to do it. Producer River gave us the line already. Nine and a half. Ohio State by nine and a half. Yeah, right now. That is not something that is terribly surprising, but at the same time too,

I think that Texas may have given them a path to play with them. So we'll talk about that. Yeah. Like Ohio State didn't play a sharp game by any stretch either. Like they had penalty after penalty after penalty and big moments. I think they had, I counted, I need to go back and count when I rewatch it, but seven different drives in that game where they, they possessed the ball up seven and could have gone down the field and gotten three even, and maybe felt like it was an insurmountable

lead with the way that their defense. Yeah, the trade on Henderson smacking the guy in the face that killed one drive false start penalties at the wrong time. Holding calls, you know, I just say it wasn't a sharp game from them. And of course, you know, as good as Texas's defense played, you wouldn't anticipate that Ohio State would win by two scores, with Jeremiah Smith having his little production as he did in that game. But again, Texas did spend a lot of time covering him.

Well, we talk about a two-score win. It was 21-14 Ohio State. First and goal for Texas after a pass. With less than three minutes left. Right, after a pass interference apparently in the end zone. So first and goal for Texas. So they bring in They bring in their short yardage back up the gut first play that makes perfect sense Like I I Jared Gibson. I understand that that call completely it didn't work. That's okay. It's a good defense

second down this is the one and it's it I second down. This is the one and it's it. I chuckled in the moment because you would you had tweeted this on an Ohio State. It was an Ohio State third down third down. I think in the third quarter third short and one or third and two and they tossed at the Judkins and he got dropped for three. Yeah, it's like you don't do that against this defense this athletic. Well, Sark wasn't paying attention on the other sideline

because he calls us a toss sweep to Trey Weisner that Caleb Downs sniffs out before the snap. Like he is rocketing like a missile at Weisner and hits him deep in the backfield. Didn't actually get him down, but held him up enough time to allow his friends to get there. And all of a sudden, second and goal fromgoal from the 1 becomes third-in-goal from the 8. Jim Collison Yeah. And then you put yourself in a position where you're dropping back and having to throw in. And, like, I think that we could kill Stark for that play call, right? I mean, I don't, there's a lot of moments in games that determine it. But Andy, we don't have to overthink everything. Put Arch in, run that play that snaps. I mean, do something where you're just running the ball.

Justin Perdue Well, they run that once. I don't think they're gonna run that. Jim Collison Yeah, I mean, I don't know, do something where you're, I feel like you could put Arch in and just sneak it. snaps. I mean, do something. Well, they run that once. I don't think they're going to run that. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. Do something where you're, I feel like you could put Arch in and just sneak it. Like, I mean, I wish they had a, I wish they had a Gunner Helm Wildcat package. Yeah. I'd love that. Yeah. Yeah.

Wildcat package. Um, you know, and it just like to be one yard away from tying it with three minutes left and you know, if they would have scored a touchdown or they would have struck the fear of God in Ohio State sideline too like that was going to be. Oh that was the pucker factor would have been so high. Yeah. But the thing is and it's interesting because I always feel like in in games with multiple fumbles bounces are funny and sometimes they go your way and then when a couple go your

way it means something's going to bounce back the wrong way. Texas had two fumbles that they did not lose. They recovered because they bounced right back into their hands earlier in the game. This one bounced right into Jack Sawyer's hands. Ohio State was due to pick up a Texas fumble at some point, and this was the time. And if you go back and you look at the biggest criticisms from Ohio State's two losses this year, especially in the Oregon game, it was how many good defensive linemen they have on this team and how rarely they got home. You know, they did, they pressured, you know, at a pretty good rate in their biggest games this year, but it just felt like they didn't have sacks. And to watch a player who had been, you know, screaming on the field, like you said, against Michigan a month earlier, not only to get home, but to grab the ball and then effectively end the game the way that he did.

And being a, you know, Columbus local, I mean, it's just a nice heartwarming story in that angle. And remember, the guy on the other side, JT Tumlau, who's been also awesome through these playoffs, injured his ankle in the first half. Now he came back in the game with that ankle spatted up, but I don't think he was quite as effective as he had been. So Sawyer was kind of on his own at that point. And they weren't getting a huge internal push. You look at the other side of the ball,

Texas's defense, Colin Simmons was getting pressure from the edge, but also Vernon Broughton and Alfred Collins up the middle getting pressure. Ohassie was just getting it from the edges and it was really Jack Sawyer. And then this was Jack Sawyer one on one against an offensive lineman, beating him and just annihilating the quarterback. Yeah. And, and, you know, Ohio State has had a good defense all year, Andy, as we spoke coming into the playoff, we thought

that Texas was, their defense was the number one unit in the playoff. I think Ohio State's defense played their way into that by the time this game started. But here's the thing about Ohio State. And I know if you're an Ohio State fan listening to this, you know what I'm talking about. They've had excellent defenses, especially this year and over the years. And statistically speaking, you know,

it has gotten better and Jim Knowles has done a great job. It has also had a tendency in moments like that to give up long drives in the fourth quarter. The Michigan game specifically jumps out to the 2019 Clemson Fiestable where they were winning at the end of the game and gave up a big touchdown drive. Ohio State over the years under Ryan Day has been susceptible to allowing big drives and big moments.

Texas went all the way down the field with very little resistance. Even that Gunner helm, you know, uh, shove push. He pointed, you got, you got, you got, you got come from pointing. You're apparently not allowed to point at the player. And that's, that's the more I think about that. The more it makes sense. It's like, if you have a rule called taunting, the flag came out automatically. Yeah. Yeah. No question about it, but they're, they're playing a Steve's Arkesians news conference here. So I'm hoping that it doesn't drown out our audio here. We'll talk a little bit louder into the microphone,

but it wasn't just Jack Sawyer, but for the defense to step up and win them the game too, because if you would've told me Ohio State would've scored 21 offensive points in this game, and Jeremiah Smith would be one reception for three yards, I would've been like, did they lose? Yeah. Like that's, I mean, did they lose?

Because they were in a position where they could have. They were trying to spread the ball around. Clearly, Texas was saying, we're not going to let Jeremiah Smith beat us. And in fact, the one time Ohio State really tried to force it into Jeremiah Smith, there was a linebacker dropping back. It wound up essentially being double coverage.

It gets picked off. So they stopped doing that. They tried to go to Carnell Tate. They tried to go to G. Scott. They tried to go to Emeka Bucamore. And I think it worked. What's interesting is that the most effective pass play they had all night was a screen to Trey Henderson. Like both teams had more success throwing to running backs than they had throwing to receivers. Well, and this is the fact of the matter too, is that we spent a lot of time talking about

how Ohio State has all these good players. And you could feel in the press box, you and I were watching Jeremiah Smith run routes sitting next to each other up here. How much brain power, how much physical energy was devoted to covering Jeremiah Smith. And then you remember that they also have two other first round draft picks that receiver playing. They've got Trey Henderson, they've got Quinshaw Judkins, they've got G Scott who's been getting into the mix a little bit, a tight end. And it's like when you think about Ohio State and all the talent that they returned this year, oh, the people who made the two biggest plays in the game

outside of Jack Sawyer was the transfer in running back and then the interception and drop in the backfield was Caleb Downs. Yeah. You know, so they added these players and it's not just Jeremiah Smith has to win them the game. If he attracts all the attention, they have all these other players are going to win. The point of having tons of good players is that you don't have to rely on just one person. You're not married.

It's a production from that one player. So, you know, I don't know what Notre Dame is going to do. But if you want to go ahead and to vote your entire defense to stopping Jeremiah Smith, they're going to find out that there's other players are going to score. Vance in the chat. Who will be more perturbed? Brian Day being asked so many Lou Holt's questions or Andy when TV uses Marcus Freeman, 10 men learning experience. That's a great one. Now I'm used to, you know, the TV reporters repeating my stories word for word occasionally. Sometimes they give me credit too. But that one, Marcus has told that to a bunch of people.

So I think they're OK with that. It's community property at this point. But Brian Day is going to get so many Lou Holtz questions. Yeah. I want to know where Lou Holtz is right now. Sailor Joe, Andy, pay $4.99. He's in here all the time. I see him. You don't have to pay, Sailor. We know you're here. We like that you do, but we notice you.

He says, Texas then, Texas now, Texas forever. Fight. Proud of them We know you're here. We like that you do, but we notice you. He says Texas then Texas now, Texas forever fight. Proud of them. You know, and you should be like, right? This is, this is where Texas got last year, but what do I always say about knocking on the door? Texas has knocked on the door twice in a row. Do you have any doubt that Sark will have a roster that can knock on the door again next year? No, no, no. So I think Texas being back wasn't about winning a national title. Texas being back was being in the playoff two years in a row. And then knowing going into next year, they're probably gonna be in the playoff

again. And I think Quinn Uers, who's at the podium right now, is somebody who's caught a lot of flack during his career and at times has underperformed. The entire internet asking for him to be benched in the second quarter tonight including he was the quarterback that led the way like it or not to Texas's arrival back and he did a really good job of situating this roster with a ton of talent but it still felt like Texas is still at the infancy of its if it's a cent right

Ohio State is a more evolved product in terms of where it is in its fundamental development. I say Texas plays about like Georgia in 2018. Yeah, like I think Texas, if you said, well, Texas won a national title in the next four years, I would probably say yes. Right? Right. Because you keep coming back and you'll bang through it. Yeah. And you keep building rosters that are strong. Like Texas's roster top to bottom, and you saw it against Ohio State. Like playing as a team like Ohio State, you have to have a top to bottom great roster to be competitive. Texas had that. They were already competitive.

Yeah, that's the craziest thing about it. It's like whoever Ohio State plays, not whoever, when they play Notre Dame, they're gonna play a team that's very good, very sound, over-cubbed a lot of things, but isn't nearly as talented as Texas. For athletes, for athletes, you take Texas over Notre Dame in terms of rock. If you want to know why the opening spread is 10 points, it's because Ohio State has

a hell of a lot more good players than Notre Dame does. They had more players than Texas. I thought that Texas, the entire game, Andy, it never looked like they were out of it. It felt like they were having a hard time offensively, but they had big drives. I thought Quinn Ewers made that awesome play where he escaped on third down. Oh and then a little pitch. Yeah. Yeah. His knee was almost down extended a drive that turned into a touchdown drive that tied the game late. And then they were at the one yard line with three minutes left in the game knocking on the door at the one to go in and tie it. So like in terms of like Texas's ascent it's like are you

really going to come down on Sarkin Quinn Uers for not beating this Ohio State team? It's not same reason we didn't kill James Franklin last night. Same reason right there. Like, listen, I hate that toss call. If that, if that first down play hits where you hand it to your 230 pound back, which was the right call on first and goal from the one, if that hits, it's 21-21 at that point. And guess what? We may still be sitting there watching them trade two point conversions in nine over times right now. Yeah, there's no question about it. So like in terms of like expectation versus reality, I walked around the press box in the game during warmups and every single reporter that I asked outside of one or two, and I think I asked 30 people, they had Ohio State.

Like, Ohio State was the favorite. Everybody thought Ohio State was going to win by 100. Like, I don't know that you come down, I mean, you might be disappointed in the toss play. Again, I'm disappointed in that. Right. We all make mistakes. Oh, the team stinks or anything. Now they have an opportunity to, you know, have another year of progression with Ryan Wingo. Uh they can probably gonna go in and bring some guys, you know, at the skill position. Also, it's probably Arch Manning is the starting quarterback. The starting quarterback going into next year. Colin Simmons

is a true freshman. And I think. And Hill's back. For another year. Make the case that Colin Simmons is a top three player in college football already. Like they've got a lot of pieces. You gotta rebuild your offensive line because you got some really good players that are going to the NFL. Uh you got some really good defensive lin going to the NFL, but you also have some good ones coming back. So yeah, Texas is going to be here. Ohio State is going to be here again, but Ohio State has not done this year. They've got one more game and now we move on to the next stage of the Ryan Day discourse because he is now right there. And it was a different situation in 2020 when they made the national title game and lost Alabama one nobody thought anybody was going to beat Alabama that year. But two, he had never lost to Michigan at that point.

He has now lost four in a row to Michigan. But he can win a national title this week. Jim Tressel won a national title in year two. Urban Meyer won a national title in year three. Neither of them lost to Michigan. I think Tressel did once, right? And Urban never did. But I think that the most important thing when it comes to the Ryan Day discourses

is that you get the good and the bad. There's no coach that has the perfect resume. I mean, even Herbie Smart catches shit for not beating Nick Saban enough. You're never going to have the perfect coach. And now he catches it for not beating Marcus Freeman. that has not existed during the pallets of attacks that have been launched his way. We're at a point now where they're four quarters away from him winning a national title and being, I don't know if absolved is the right word, but be given a pass or you look past things when there's a national title. You can't just run it out.

I think he's fine no matter what, whether they win or lose that game. Not that he's not now, but Ryan Day can write his bill at Ohio State for the next seven to ten years in my opinion if they win the national championship this year. Like he can stay there for a long time. And the thing about this Ohio State team too, Andy, is the way that they're working in IELT right now, the way that they're recruiting, I don't know that I would say that there's other programs in college football that are more well equipped to traverse the modern day of college football. Yeah, like it's not like this is just when it all it's like, Ohio State has been well equipped to traverse whatever era of college football it was, they always figure it out because they care deeply about winning.

about winning. I think you need to remember, and I don't know if you do remember this, but when Ohio State lost to Michigan the second time, and then they had a national signing day, and they lost Caleb Downs to Alabama, there was a time where there was this notion that not only are they not able to beat their rival, their fans were worried that they weren't equipped from an NIL standpoint, because it took Ohio State's NIL front a few years to kind of understand what to do. They were a little bit slow. But in terms of the high school classes that they're recruiting, the brand that they've continued to maintain nationally, and the fact that they're paying $20 million for a roster,

whether that means transfers in or to retain it, like, this isn't just, you know, when you say national title or bust, they might win the national title, but like bust doesn't mean they're never going to have a chance again. Like the thing with Arizona state that makes it painful and you know, other teams has had a really special season and you might not have another one for a long time. Yeah. I mean, it's been 20 years since the last time Arizona state played on this stage like that more than 20 years, almost 30. Um, but that's not like Ohio state is like in this position every single year and eventually they were

going to break through. And the one thing that I will say is that I do think that the Michigan game is going to be a little bit of a stain on this. I don't know. But it's a new era and the path that this team just just walked that's the thing. Tennessee, Oregon, Texas. That's a much harder path than Notre Dame took though. Notre Dame took a hard path too. Yeah. But Ohio State had to earn it

more. No, I don't know that. Like, I mean, I think you can make the case that no team has had to do more to win a national title. So like, you know, and that'll be maybe broken in a year or two because it's the new era that we're in and you're going to have to win that many games but they they had a pretty tough path. So, you know. The way it laid out, I mean,

they had to play a pretty good team that came up to them. And then the team that had put together the best resume in the country all season, including beating them. Yeah. And then this team that is, again, a superstar stocked team, a super talented, you know, top to bottom five stars everywhere roster.

They earned it. They belong. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, like, yeah, I don't know Ryan Day, if he's going to get jiggy with it down there tonight, but he's probably feeling pretty good. It's probably feeling pretty good after the Rose Bowl. You know, I saw a moment last week in Pasadena. I don't know if you read the column. I did. But It's beautiful. His wife touched him when like this one of these. Oh, like you can just tell when his body slouch is kind of like this.

Like when his body slouch is like relief of just like, finally, I can just take a breath. But I'm sure he had moments tonight. Sure. Where it felt like Oh God, it's happening again, because it you know, their line was struggling in ways that we hadn't seen it struggle since the Michigan game. It's funny what happens when you play a really good defensive long. Yes, exactly. And like I said, Texas was not just getting pressure from the edges.

They were getting pressure from everywhere. And it was difficult. Like a lot of the reason that they struggle to get the ball to Jeremiah Smith is Jeremiah Smith's lined up so wide. You got to, you got to give Will Howard some time. You got to power the ball out there and there's just not time and he can't get his feet set and you know it was tough. Texas made it very tough on them. But everybody came through. Will Howard had a huge play. Fourth and one. Will Howard. Now the turf monster got him. He probably could have scored on it but they end up scoring anyway. Will Howard now the turf monster got him. He probably could have scored on him, but they ended up scoring anyway.

Yeah, yeah. Will Howard had kind of an up and down game, I thought, you know. He had some some bad decisions, but good, great moments. And he's a 6'4 kid who runs pretty well and is pretty durable, you know, and, you know, he's had some bad throws, but he's had some great ones in these playoffs, too. And, you know, I don't know that he's going to go down as one of the best quarterbacks in Ohio State history, but he's certainly good enough to get this team where it needs to go. And you know, well, you don't necessarily have to go down as one of the best quarterbacks in Ohio State history. Craig Krenzel is, and they wanted Craig Krenzel and Cardell Jones. I mean, we talk about the truck and trailer thing all the time. Like Will Howard is a trailer, right? But you don't truck. You don't have to be because, because, because kaleb williams and jeremiah Or kaleb downs and jeremiah smith and all those people pulling

Yep, and jt tumalau and jack soyer and that's part of roster building Yeah, you know like I don't know like how many how many trucks do you need on the same field? So, you know and ohio state's defense is situated in a position to hold I mean like I don't know that like noter dame is going to come out next week with what we saw against penn state And score 38 points on them. Like, Ohio State's defense, it's gonna look a lot like it did tonight. And that's not to say that Notre Dame can't win,

but you know, Notre Dame's defense is gonna have to show up. So Notre Dame's defense is gonna have to play its best game. And remember, you know, this would be a game where they'd love to have Riley Mills and Benjamin Morrison, but they're not gonna. So they're gonna have to deal with it and they've dealt with it all season, but this is going to be their toughest challenge. Yeah, there's no question about it.

And they've done it. They've done a good job. Um, get into this point. I didn't think Andy, I didn't think they would get here. I didn't, you know, I thought that after the Michigan game, they were broken, but they weren't. So they figured it out. And the thing is, they didn't buzzsaw texas

It's not it's not like it was no with the first two games This game they were challenged there were opportunities where they could have puckered where if they if there was sort of a mental block or some sort of Issue when they faced adversity That they would have folded but they didn't I mean like jack soyer said on the stage, like give us an inch to defend. Where I'm standing at the moment.

They had basically two and a half feet to defend, and they defended it. Yeah, yeah, and another wonderful moment in Ohio State history from a local kid, and now we get a ratings bonanza tomorrow. Yeah, that's what Kirk said. Yeah. Kirk said that this final four was a ratings bonanza tomorrow. Yeah, that's what Kirk said. Yeah. Kirk said that this final four was a ratings bonanza,

but this final two is about as good as those folks could have hoped for. Yeah, right. And Notre Dame, I think, has been one of the best stories of the year. And their ability as a program to overcome a lot of the injuries that they've had and all that. And by the way, the last time these two teams played,

the team that won scored the winning touchdown with a second to go in the game. Like this is, this is going to be so much fun. Yeah. This is so much fun. On the field column again, because now they're playing the same team. They are playing. Jeremiah Love got what he wanted. Jeremiah Love got exactly what he wanted. He said, I want Ohio State. We want Ohio State. We think Ohio State's the better team. We want to play the best. Well guess what, Jeremiah? You got your wish. You may be regretting that come a week from Monday, but I can't wait. Ari, we're headed to Atlanta, but of course we got a week of breaking this all down ahead of us. It's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm happy to be here with you, Andy, and super excited to get downstairs and see

what the guys are doing down there. And I'm sure we're both going to be writing, or I'm going to be writing tonight into the morning and into the wee hours, into the wee hours. And you know, we'll have our show on Monday morning and we'll get right back into it. So awesome being here. Yep. That was a great game. And Andy, one last parting thought. I know we got the graphic up here, but... We're just telling people where to find it. Two semifinals. Uh-huh. Two great games.

Two great games. We're telling people where to find two semifinals. Huh? Two great games, two great games. Absolutely. And that's a that's a discussion point of like if the consequence for all the blowouts in the first round is to make teams win their way into these stages. Is this the new norm for the semifinal? Listen, semifinals were littered with blowouts in the 14 before we get everybody too excited.

I want to remember. I want everybody to remember like I had a childhood full of great NFC and AFC championship games That resulted in Super Bowl blowouts. Yeah, like it happens. We may see one of those we may not we may see a classic in Atlanta I hope we do but I am very grateful that we got to see these two classics these past two nights Very blessed to have been at both of them. Thank you to on three for letting me do that. Thank you to Ari Thank you to you most for letting me do that. Thank you to Ari. Thank you to you, most importantly though, for watching, for subscribing, for liking, for commenting,

for listening on podcasts, for watching on YouTube. You guys are awesome. Makes me sad that the season's coming to an end, but I'm super excited to know that we're not going anywhere after the national championship game. Ari, we work it on three. College football season never, ever, ever show at 830 or 930 Eastern time the morning after the national title game right?

Hell yeah we do. All right. So don't say goodbye. Say thank you. You did no no goodbyes. We'll see you guys on Monday.